Topic: Mark Penn

Author Mark Steyn is currently involved in a long-running defamation lawsuit brought by climate scientist Michael Mann. The suit stems from comments Steyn made 12 years ago regarding Mann's "hockey stick" data and the internal investigation at Penn State. The trial is seen as a significant case regarding the ability to criticize scientific data and the limits of free speech in the climate debate.

The No Labels organization is launching a $70 million effort to establish a third-party "bipartisan" presidential ticket for 2024. Senator Joe Manchin and former Governor John Huntsman appeared together in New Hampshire to promote the movement. The hosts examine the background of No Labels leader Nancy Jacobson, noting her ties to the Clinton administration and her marriage to Democratic pollster Mark Penn.

Rumors of a third presidential run by Hillary Clinton are discussed, with the hosts noting that she still controls a significant political machine and funding. They compare her influence to Barack Obama's "Organizing for America" group. Despite calls from some Democrats for her to step aside, the hosts believe she remains a formidable force within the party.

The discussion turns to the Jerry Sandusky child abuse case at Penn State, with the hosts reviewing the grand jury report and the failure of university officials to report the crimes. They play a clip from sports radio host Mark Madden, who alleges that Sandusky and the Second Mile Foundation were pimping young boys to wealthy donors. The hosts suggest the cover-up indicates a broader pedophile ring involving elites.