Topic: Frank Serpico

Micah White attributes the rise of both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump to the energy created by the Occupy movement. However, the hosts argue that most people fundamentally want to be led, citing an observation by famous whistleblower Frank Serpico. They conclude that "leaderless democracy" is a flawed utopian concept.

A comparison is drawn between the Benghazi situation and the story of Frank Serpico, a whistleblower cop who was set up by his own department. The hosts speculate that Ambassador Chris Stevens may have been left without backup in a similar fashion.