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00:00 You need an E-ticket for that? Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday March 27th 2016 time once again via Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 812 This is no agenda! Spinning gold out of yarn to guard your reality and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state Austin Tejas in FEMA Region 6 In The Morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where everything is over modulated I am John C. Dvorak Am I just booming through on your end yeah, I could deal with it. I don't know what to tell you It's like is it over modulated or was it just loud? Well? It's just loud louder now Okay well if she's modulating that over over modulate means distorted story generally right so it's on your end. I can't help but good

00:51 Well, it's all explained by the weird ISO clip that I have. Is that what we're gonna do right off the bat? Yeah Okay Would it say weird ISO because I can't find that Oh, I have it! There is only one so this must be it Does it need to set up? No I am the happiest principal on earth. I love you, we love you! Oh boy is this about Millennials and safe spaces? Nah it's just about something else that wasn't the clip by the way oh was in ISO yeah it was a good one too

01:31 Wasn't the one you wanted that's even interesting more interesting. I have a bunch of isos today today is ISO day, okay? Screwball ISO That's what it is and I don't even know where to start screwball ISO screwball ISO well Then we'll do that off the bat fact that they both have unpronounceable Italian names appears to be the theme that and meet Meet yeah meat how what was that from oh That was discussing the, I guess it's a Monterey Peninsula Wine and Food Festival.

02:09 And they have all these little things you can sign up for, I guess Ghi Fiery and some other Italian guys have special seminars. So that was the ISO. When I just heard the ISO, I'm clipping through stuff and said oh that's too good. Yeah, I think they need to go together though. You kind of need to do it. The fact that both have unpronounceable Italian names appears to be the theme...that and meat! ...and wash your hands after touching any raw meat. Think that works? Ah yes, I think so. We have it together Well, okay well that's a start. Well since we will be talking about unfriendliness to women undoubtedly on this program today I wanted to put little things in the context and The Keeper and I you know sometimes

02:59 We realized that we have certain cultural things that we like, and... ...We discovered that we both had watched a lot of Elvis movies when were kids. Already funny! Yeah it is And I apologize, actually in hindsight it probably should have clipped it. But so we decide Saturday afternoon let's watch Elvis movie We chose Blue Hawaii Now the reason I bring this up you'll recall the last time we went back and looked at an old movie It was Breakfast At Tiffany's which is heralded as Audrey Hepburn best piece of work ever... ...and its a screwball crazy ass stupid ass movie

03:39 and you kind of agreed to that. Do you recall Blue Hawaii by Elvis at all? Vaguely... So it opens up, he's coming back from the army He's been gone for two years, he lands in Hawaii The plane doors open, there are steps down the tarmac His girlfriend is waiting! He's making out with a stewardess looking at his girlfriend saying hey baby I was just fooling around And she goes okay Elvis It's okay they go along and then he's throwing her in the water, he's tripping on the beach 17 year old spanking them, spanking them and then the girl sit down on a pillow later and say oh yes I'll be much better now. It's unbelievable! The whole movie is one big misogynistic piece of crap. I don't recall it that way. Huh? What did the keeper think? Did she remember it that way? No no! She must have been outraged. No we were both jaws dropped like holy crap

04:32 We've come a long way. Elvis was just the dick in this movie, at least in this movie is made in 1963 so of course that was you know the year before I was born even but I encourage everybody just watch that just the opening sequence and you can flip through it but boy Hollywood was mean towards women 50 years ago 52 years ago yeah well yeah 52 years ago Okay, well I suppose if you went back 80 years ago it'd be worse. Yeah probably but this is within my lifetime so i say you know Well your only one No I was zero I was minus one It wasn't within your lifetime hello? Okay But it was not even within your lifetime Yes This movie...I saw it within my lifetime that's my point Oh yeah when I was a kid When I was a kid I watched the old Charlie Chaplin films too Yeah exactly

05:30 Exactly. I think a lot of the Elvis movies were misogynist, I think a lot of this stuff from the 50s What year was that movie you said? 63 63 huh yeah that was just before the The flower children, well civil rights of hippies. Oh and I will say although it was much more focused on the misogyny you know they have little helpers in the uh because of course Elvis's parents owned the fantastic Hawaiian fruit company or something and they have all these little slaves running around like Indonesian type little boys hey boy go get the hose boy! Unbelievable

06:14 That should be banned from Netflix! I'm outraged. We should be banning Netflix for even allowing that to be shown? I think you're on to something. Yeah, well later in the program it's not for right now...I have the New Speak guide from the University of New Hampshire that i want to review with you Oh no! No, not later! You wanna do it now? Let's get this... Come on let's do it! It's so incredible though there is just so much of it. I don't know if uh...you may not be able to walk It's okay. So this is the... What, you're gonna give me blue balls? I mean what is this going to do? All right here we go University of New Hampshire Inclusive Excellence —I guess that's a department— The title of this is Bias-Free Language Guide Ooh Now very important it does say the views expressed in this guide are not the policy of the University of New Hampshire. UNH... Then what's the point? UNH supports free speech on all of our campuses and then they have

07:20 statement. But the point of this, language is leadership and these are guidelines okay? And they started...this is what this is really why I got into the document and it was released end of January so it's been around. So it's on University of New Hampshire letterhead and you know they put a little quote at the top of this document And the quote is from, who could the quote be from? One of our favorites. Shakespeare! Nooo! Melissa Harris Perry Close though almost Shakespeare So she doesn't even teach at this school yet her quote is at the top of this document Melissa that horrible person Yes That got fired from MSNBC That's the one yeah What are they quoting her for Well let me read you the quote In a democracy recognition matters Everyone wants to be seen as who they are

08:15 If they are not, then it's impossible for them to enjoy the experience of being full citizens. Melissa Harris Perry That is just nonsense. What does it even mean? I don't know, but it's setting up a nonsense document for sure! I've highlighted a couple things that I want to review with you And this is the University of... New Hampshire. New Hampshire Universities are places to look at the world in new ways As a university organization we care about the life of the mind We offer this guide as a way to promote discussion and facilitate creative and accurate expression Accurate expression! Accurate! Make sure your accurate

08:55 Let's see, as an integral part of UNH's mission to continue to build an inclusive learning community and the first step towards our goal is an awareness of any bias in our daily language. When we do not affirm another person's identity, we are characterizing an individual as less than or other this makes them invisible and for some it feels like a form of violence Do we need to discuss that or can we just move on? I don't know, is there a harmonica hits for you? Yeah. What is inclusive language is the question. Inclusive language is communication that does not stereotype or demean people based on personal characteristics including gender, gender expression race ethnicity economic background ability disability status religion sexual orientation etc Identities matter and words matter

09:50 It is important to realize that each person will define their own identity. Identity terms are meant for individuals to use, to identify themselves and not for us to identify them! You will find various definitions depending on culture places of origin generation etc... And of course we know that uh Here's the obvious directive. When appropriate, ask how a person wishes to be identified and please remember that identity terms are meant for individual... Okay! Use inclusive language to emphasize or focus the reader's attention on similarities equality and respect Now what they're going to get into here is the right way and the wrong way to do things

10:26 And they start off with a little mini example. How about a hello I should be called sticker? Or my name is... My name is, I need to be called this way and just wear the sticker all the time that would work! So they give an example which kind of hits home for me In addition, avoid stereotypes and words that are derived from negative assumptions. An example using the expression going Dutch is really rude a rude term for splitting the bill because it demeans the Dutch and assumes they are cheap this is an example in the document okay let's stop right here this is good place to stop I think so!

11:11 So, we go out to dinner and I say, well you know let's go Dutch on this. Ah! Microaggression trigger warning, trigger warning... And you'd go nuts. Trigger warning! Is that right? Yeah that is... You would be very offended by this? Well in this case no because for those of who are new to this program you may not know that in the Netherlands where the Dutch typically live splitting the bill was called doing it the American way We called option Americans. Well, those bastards we kind of got back at you Okay Here now we're getting into examples and they start off with the microaggressions and I've always been Puzzled yes, I've been lukewarm on those myself Everything if you really see you can't have a conversation with anybody unless they're one of your best friends or they will They make up

12:06 Oh, that's a microaggression. That's a microaggression and you don't even know what it is." Okay I mean the two of us are probably the worst for this we're probably making microaggressions constantly There's a reason why i never went to school or three months now Microaggression is a subtle often automatic stereotypical and insensitive behavior or comment or assumption about a person's identity background ethnicity or disability Microaggressions may be intentional or non-intentional Microaggressions are delivered in many forms, politely or negatively. For instance... So, forms of aggression. That's just rude! Yeah it is rude

12:50 Yeah, it's not a microaggression. So here are... well here is a microassault because we have different forms of aggression We have microaggressions under microagressions we have the micro assault which is a verbal attack example Why do you need a wheelchair? I saw you walk! You can walk right?! To a person who was using a mobile chair for long distance travel Another example Dog smell funny as said to a blind person using a guide dog Who does that!? Good point. Then we have the micro insults. Okay, hold on a second I'm gonna ask you some questions as we go what happens if you say hey man your dog stinks? No that's different unless the dog identifies as something other than a dog You would have to call the dog a cat otherwise that would be okay

13:48 Okay. Microinsult, a form of verbal or silent demeaning through insensitive comments or behavior Example! A person exhibits a stubborn begrudging attitude that they will accommodate an accessibility request The verbalization is appropriate but the tone seems insulting So now it's not what you say it's how you say it which is a micro insult So if someone says, hey man I need some help getting up the stairs here because i'm disabled and you go all right. It's a micro insult then we have... You want to stop? No keep going? No this stuff is great! Micro invalidation

14:29 This is real. This is an actual document from the University of New Hampshire. A micro-invalidation degrades a person's wholeness through making false assumptions about the other's ability, causing a sense of invalidation. Example... You have a learning disability? How can you be a lawyer?! I think that one was fine! Yeah it was good too! Second example The new international student is having language challenges That's wrong apparently. You should say, the new international student is concentrating on learning a new language. It's not the same! No but that's... you cannot micro-invalidate it. So euphemism? I think that's a microaggression and an insult. Now there are some... That's a micro aggression see they can't even figure out their own scam. Gets much better

15:28 The opposite phenomenon is what Mary Rove, MIT termed micro affirmations. This is where we want to focus on children... Oh hold on a second! Come on children focus on your micro-affirmations These are subtle or small acknowledgments of a person's value and accomplishments such as public praise of a person's work or character Or they may be... By the way this IS the problem with the country It is I'll tell you So they say They also may be acts of kindness, like opening the door for someone which I do all the time. Sexist pig chauvinists! Yes yes that's exactly the way we looked at it back in the day Yep and it's back these days people oh you don't think I can open the door myself? That's back that's back okay now let's just go through our glossary of language I think is very important You and I are up to speed on The Language The New Speak Of The New World Order brought to you by University of New Hampshire

16:26 We have preferred and problematic outdated. Okay? Mmkay?" Can we stop a second again? Yes As we do this, I have to think what if somebody from the University of New Hampshire who was all in on this idea were listening right now What would they think of us or listen to those two old douchebags? Ah! No no no no no That is not what you're allowed to say It would be people of advanced age Listen to those two douchebags of advanced age. I think saying somebody's of advanced age is incredibly ageist and insulting, and more than a microaggression! Well there...I'm going to read this whole... How do you do that? How do you criticize us for doing this criticism of them? Well iIm going to give you the glossary. You may not...it is problematic and outdated to say older people elder seniors or senior citizen

17:27 Preferred as people of advanced age. No, I would consider myself of an advanced age. I think you should probably start thinking about it. I think that's an outrageous insult to be considered that. I agree. Are they older is fine? Okay, poor person. Mature! Mature's good. Is mature on the list? No. Mature is not on the list. Advanced age... where does that start? Let me ask the question Where does advanced age start? 40? Oh to these A-holes it probably is 40. These forties of advanced age. Over The Hill, Abdanced Age This is the most insulting bullcrap It just galls me to listen to you read this But its not me right? Continue As long as its not me

18:14 A problematic term, John. Poor person we can no longer say someone is a poor person you cannot say poor... You're sure this is not just to put on? No this is real. You're reading so there's the onion right come on now. This is not no no no Okay, you can't say somebody's poor. No there is a note however some people choose to live a life that is not connected to the consumer world of material possessions and these people do not identify as poor. That's just the note their preferred language for poor person is... You may want to grab a pen! Person who lacks advantages that others have. I'm not going to say that about anyone or low economic status related to the person's education occupation and income

19:02 So you can't just say poor. You can't, well you can't say poor... ...you can say that's a person who lacks advantages that others have or that's a person who has low economic status related to that persons education occupation and income. I'm not going to say this nobody nobody and then we have what about the word bum? No, no we do have... Is it in there? So you know is there an alternative to using it or has already assumed nobody uses it. We have a... You can also say person living at or below the poverty line or my favorite that's a person experiencing poverty that's my favorite I have to say instead of poor person oh my gosh look at those people experiencing poverty That's actually your funny one It gets better

19:50 You can't say someone's homeless. What do you say? You've learned now, come on John! You've learned what to say when someone is not homeless they are... A home disadvantage No they are experiencing homelessness Oh they're experience it as though it's a ride at Disney World Yes and your not... Do need an E-Ticket for that?! To be homeless That's fantastic I'd love to try that sometime to experience it. You're not going to try, you can experience it. I'd like to experience it sometime! That's when you get a nice punch in the gut seems to me. Welfare queen? Welfare people? No no no we say person using welfare now We also can no longer say rich because of course its assumed that rich is money. No no no Rich people, we'll just pick one Bill Gates is a person of material wealth

20:46 Okay, obese. You can't say the guy's rich? No no so why do we this is like come instead I mean This is a these are nice words with the word rich has it's a wide the definition is wide-ranging and its entity gets to the point rather quickly and it's and It's it this is what the language is supposed to do be pointed But no, they want us to write...to talk like cops write reports. Let's keep going. No longer obese or overweight? You are a person of size? I thought they were gonna say fat. Can't say it now. No, no, no. General principles- Person of size! Now person of size could be anybody on the Warriors but they're not overweight or obese. So when you say they're a person of size oh do they play basketball

21:42 And then the football team? That's my first reaction when someone would say they're person of size. Let's move on to general principles regarding ability or disability status. General principles use person-first constructions that put the person ahead of the disability, instead of a blind woman or a diabetic use a woman who is blind or a person with diabetes Just as it is not always necessary. They needed an editor for this you don't write like that And you definitely don't talk like that just as it's not always necessary to convey the call there so wait a minute So he's saying the guys at diabetic Is not right? You have to say a person of diabetes Yes, or person who is a person with diabetes and person with diabetes It's like he's like his buddy. He's like hey diabetes

22:34 Hey, the guy's got a little pooch named Diabetes. This is outrageous! We're not done. I couldn't believe this when i was reading it, but it is the real deal. It's the guidelines and not the rules but it's clear what they're trying to do. Not the rules because rules are also a bad word Just as it's not always necessary to convey the color of a person's hair for example Do not mention that a person has a disability unless it is relevant to the communication which makes no sense guys say you know The redhead so that's also not... because of course we all know redheads have disability

23:10 Okay, watch the metaphors. You redhead hater! No soul. Bipolar autistic schizo and ADD are words that should not be thrown around in conversation Potential issues although the majority- Schizo? Although the majority of disability advocacy groups and members of the disability community Generally accept... Hey can I get into the disability community you should yeah generally accept the term Disability there are some who believe- You're a person with Tourette's Yes it's my buddy over here There are some who believe that even the term disability itself is pejorative. Some people may often prefer to use terms such as differently abled or may characterize a disability as simply a difference rather than any sort of impediment, for example members of deaf culture. Here's here's it hold on yeah

24:02 I'm telling you for a fact. Yeah that if this was written by any professional writer They were they were beside themselves as they cranked this crap out believe me Oh, they are beside them but we know this John come on This is what has come to especially particularly in college campuses Okay Let's go through the glossary of language for our general pin up for ability and disability status so You can't say Someone is normal, healthy or whole. You have to say non-disabled. What? Yes Now you've done it! Non disabled is the preferred term for people without disabilities

24:42 First of all, they say that the word itself disability is not a good word to use ever. And then so what they do now they've attached the word disability which is a bad word for non-disabled. No no no hold on hold on! That's not it? They said though disability is generally accepted there are some who believe itself as pejorative So their kind of wishy washy on that It's kind of in the middle. But why don't they just go with the flow and do what the millennials do? And then call them non-disabled, The Normals I'm all for it! I liked Invalids myself Okay a blind person no good Of course that is person who was blind or person who was visually impaired Same with deaf You can't you're not deaf Your deaf or hard your person Who is Deaf or Hard of Hearing

25:33 I got one for you that's a real problem. What if you're dead? Yes, person who is no longer... You say they are dead or not alive? Person no longer living is the correct form of it. Well, let's go down to the living thing. So saying someone is stricken with a disability... so someone is stricken with cancer or an AIDS victim afflicted with, stricken with suffers from, victim of confined are terms that are based on assumptions that a person with a disability is suffering or living in reduced quality of life instead they use neutral language when describing a person who has a disability like

26:15 Person living with AIDS. Person living with cancer! It's great, isn't it? Then would you like to know the correct words for race ethnicity culture and immigrant status or are you not going to bump into any of those people I'm kind of interested in hearing about the cis Oh yes, okay. I'm always confused about that. I'll go into CIS if you want? You wanna skip past... No this is part of it If there's any good ones in there read those and then let's go to CIS How can it not be good? Well, I guess so far Alright So finally we have those The guy used to be- This is the problem! I know what happened George Carlin died And this was his head writer Jesus

27:04 Of course, Negro, Negroid, Colored Person and Dark are problematic words preferred as Black or African American. You cannot say... So if you're a US citizen or resident of the U.S., that's okay. What you can no longer... It is problematic to use the term American because it fails to recognize South America." Oh we're not gonna... That was around when I was... People would do that. What do you mean your American? It's just a slang. South Americans don't call themselves American, so we took it! Now people of color is specified here... They're Brazilians or Venezuelans they're you know what are you I'm a Venezuelan and I'm a Colombian, I'm Chilean, I'm Peruvian. Okay were Americans. I'm a Pastafarian

27:56 Here we go. People of color, just so you know that is really only referring to Asian or Pacific Islander Native American Latino Hispanic African-American actually it's everybody but it's not synonymous with black or African American. You just said black in the list Yes, it is supposed to be everybody. Yeah, it's not synonymous with African Americans blacks yes, its synonymous with Everybody of course except white don't like if whites not color Color that's not marginalization at all Arabs can say Arabs John no no no no

28:39 Even if they're from Saudi Arabia? No, no. They call themselves Arabs? You can say they're Saudi Arabians but you can no longer use continent so you can't say that guy's African! You have to specify the country of origin How do you do that? Well, if he's from Ethiopia... You see somebody walking down the street and you know he is African. No! That's not... well it's okay keep it to yourself no micro-insults. Keep it to yourself. There we go now you're talking And Caucasian people are also no longer usable We are white people or European American individuals I'm writing that one down. I'll get business cards. European American individual

29:28 Foreigners, can't say foreigners. What do we call them? Come on John this is easy you get the idea are you rolling into... Out of town-ers Close! International people. International people? International! That's a good one. Oh man. Biracial, multi race Can't say that oh yeah you can say it. What about saying octoroon No and now you're just making fun of me no I'm not it's just as a word that was very in common use Let's move on to LGBTQQIAAP, shall we? And then we should move on. It's not going to end. Nope! When you said that is that the way it's listed? Quadroon? No LG Q... No no no LGBTQQIAAP. In fact

30:21 There's some language in here that is interesting. This is the glossary of language regarding... Wait, hold on a second you're telling me that they don't acknowledge that term? Not no LGBTQ is all they acknowledge That's not right! I agree it's an insult The preferred verbiage is You can either say sexual minorities Or you can individually say queer, lesbian gay bisexual or transgender and you can say queer or questioning. There's nothing else according to UNA. You can say queer nowadays and that's like okay! It used to be like the big insult back in the 50s 60s 70s. Super insult. You can't say that I'm gonna start using it And i will carry a card size version of this

31:08 If anyone questions me, excuse me. Yeah you point right to this line and say yeah I can use that word see look look look! Alright i'm gonna zip through these Homosexual You can no longer use this word This is not the correct word No longer homosexual We can't be homosexual anymore? What are they, hate the gays? Homosexual is an outdated... I said dog-gays by the way. The gays. Homosexual... Is dog-gays listed in there as a bad thing? I'll get there! Homosexual is an outdated clinical term considered derogatory and offensive by many gay and lesbian people Gay and or lesbian accurately describe those who are attracted to people of the same sex or gender As you ready SGL What's that mean Same Gender Loving

31:52 Wow. Yep, that is same-gender loving and that is what you need to use. It also means... it also refers to being single which I think anyone who follows these rules will remain. You'll be very single! And if someone's going like Caitlyn Jenner when she finally transitions what will that be called? I have no idea. We would say sex change is what we would say as... Yes, yes! Sex change. As silly cis-gendered EA holes? No no no. You either say gender reaffirming surgery, gender confirming surgery or sexual reassignment surgery abbreviated as SRS So she's an SRS? Well she's a pre-SRS Isn't that some sort of thing that's used by

32:47 Analog signal process doesn't mean something okay. Yeah, I don't know what it means Sorry us I've seen it before now a couple of things to a couple of new terms And this is where your cisgender and then I'll be done couple of terms for you by phobia By phobia is a term now that means you're afraid of bicycles yes bisexuals Which is... You're afraid of them. Yes, the fear hatred and or dislike of people who... Oh fear and hatred? Hatred and... Okay Yeah the actual definition... You're in a hatred of bisexuals The actual um uh definition I believe should be irrational fear but that's just me Cisgender here you go cisgender range of different identities wherein a person is comfortable identifying with the sex or gender they were assigned at birth That does not necessarily mean John that your straight Interesting isn't it

33:43 Yeah, yeah. I get the sense that they're... Well so along with cisgender comes ciscentrism! Cisentrism. Which I'm sure we are guilty of, here it comes... I've... okay. Yeah, I know. Now in residences? Mm-hmm So in other words if I for it to make me ciscentric I like I'd have to have a men's room and a girls' room separate bathrooms in the house And a neutral! And a neutral yeah and a ramp All right I'm gonna give you word You're gonna tell me what the preferred language is and this will be it okay Okay Guys Dolls

34:50 You can use folks, people you all or y'all and that's exactly what our president does. Interesting. Uh... You can't say guys? Oh I'm- no! Nope nope nope. You can't say guys you're gonna say folks People You all Or Y'ALL So in other words it's okay now to go up to a cop and say YOU PEOPLE Tell me how far are you going to get doing this If it's two cops you could say you people Yeah Uh girls Women? Yes, yes yes. Very good! Oh look there's a five-year old woman No it does say when referring to adult women Manpower manpower. Yes all you mean is oh yeah we need a lot of man power do this job people power Workforce personnel or workers reminds me of a story I have to tell now

35:50 I told the story before, but I'm gonna tell it again. We love your stories John! So I am fooling around at Boeing and one of the guys comes up and we're chatting because he used to write for PC World And we were talking about PC World being dominated by lesbians Yeah...and he says he wrote a piece for them and they kicked it back saying that he was using sexist language Uh-huh And it says, and the sentence went like this. The representative of the company said that this would not continue to happen. And so his editor said you're using sexist language. Where's the sexist language? She said the words representative should be spokesperson. Spokeshole! Spokesperson. I think spokeshole is okay. He says what if well

36:46 You're gonna interrupt these stories. I'm sorry So she says but representative is as neutral as you can get, I mean she says no no no no No, you don't get it spokesperson Lets people know that we do not use sexist language Representative doesn't yes so yeah, so we're politically correct It's beautiful where was this PC world? Oh, it makes sense doesn't it PC world oh Actually, not a judge. I've never thought of that ever! I'll take it. In the morning... The world. Yes. All right um the average man can't say that of course you have to say the average person uh obviously chairman is no longer good chairperson chair moderator discussion leader uh freshman in college i can't say freshman

37:39 First year students very good. Why because the word man is in there as men exactly Oh, this is just a man-hating thing correct this whole thing that you've been reading if you do boil it down It's hates men They should all be having sex with each other and just stay away out of our way the women. I think that kind of... That is the theme of what you're doing here, this is a... It boils down to that yeah. It boils down to all men should be gay and having sex with each other at least not bothering us up here at The University of New Hampshire. This might as well be Smith! And the- You can send your notes to somebody else by the way Smith girls

38:21 The tragedy of this is that where we're headed is not only will cisgendered, straight white males be marginalized but I'm seeing cisgendered white gay males being marginalized. We talked about this on the previous show like you don't get discriminated like everybody else in the multisexual community You watch, it'll be the gay men's gay straight and gray white men who will be next. And marginalized it's about the man is not about gay. It's not about anything. It's about men. They're not letting the game behind behind this. Yes I know men hating women at these certain schools up in the Northeast yeah and that way would put UNC is obviously one or UNH is obviously one of them

39:10 Okay, well they did a good job. They managed to get that book out just the beginning Just a wedge it's a wedge. It's a wedge issue mm-hmm It's called change someone says in the chat room It's called the girl in the chat room It's called change everybody I don't know if that was meant facetiously or not with it you Let's move on let's play some audio Wow, I think by the way the audience should have appreciated that yeah, and I'm I am perspiring from reading this It's it's got my rag heckles up. Yeah Keeper has to Tina has two kids in school And you can see they're smart But you can see some of this rubs off on time the times like ho back it up

40:10 Yep, yep. Yup. Yeah no good. Alrighty what you got for us John? Well, there's a couple of things. One is this and this is kind of along the same lines that there's a couple of bills with the North Carolina bill as one of them but they would do Georgia Bill which I think was vetoed by the governor. Yes he vetoed it under pressure from Coca-Cola and big companies and mainly the think that Hollywood who said that they would no longer be filming in Georgia if... Yeah Disney was a big Disney which isn't very yeah

40:46 liberal operation. And of course they had to, everyone you know this was reported I got this report for this there here's the report rundown I've got some comments about this is a Georgia bill much. Showdown over a proposed religious liberty bill could be costly for the state of Georgia. Backers say that the measure would protect faith-based groups that refuse to serve or hire someone for religious reasons, but major companies like Walt Disney say that this discriminates against the LGBT community and they are threatening to pull out their business David Begnau is outside Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta David good morning Good morning. For the sake of this story, it's all about business. You've got entertainment companies saying they're going to reconsider doing business in the Peach State if the governor signs that bill and then there is the NFL take the Atlanta Falcons for example They have been playing at the Georgia Dome right here for years but across the street they are building a Mercedes Benz Superdome It is 1.4 billion dollar project that they hope will bring... Native advertising! Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa what was that all about? ...years But across the street...

41:51 I'll take the Atlanta Falcons for example. They've been playing at the Georgia Dome right here for years, but across the street they're building The Mercedes-Benz Superdome It's a 1.4 billion dollar project that they hope will bring the Super Bowl back to Atlanta But experts say that chance will get sacked if this bill gets signed and then there's Disney experts all that said it's done with George Oh yeah, if the governor signs that bill Wow you could have cut out this Man sure has been kind to Antman And other Disney movies filmed in Georgia. The state's generous tax incentives have provided a warm welcome to filmmakers, but now some studios say that Southern hospitality is being tested by a proposed law they believe discriminates against the LGBT community. Disney issued a statement saying we will plan to take our business elsewhere should any legislation allowing discriminatory practices be signed into state law

42:48 Similar sentiments have been voiced by AMC networks, which films The Walking Dead in Georgia as well as other corporations. Viacom Delta Coca-Cola Unilever Intel and reps for two of Georgia sports teams the Falcons and the Braves The state's vocal debate between religious liberty and gay rights is now focused on Georgia's Republican Governor Nathan Deal, who must decide whether to sign a bill called the Free Exercise Protection Act. It would not only allow religious officials to refuse to perform same-sex marriages, it would also allow faith based organizations to deny services or employment to people who violate their quote sincerely held religious belief. State Senator Greg Kirk is a sponsor of the bill give me an example of what your bill would do for somebody in Georgia let's say my wife and I want to start an adoption agency we wanted to be a faith based organization we only want to adopt out two

43:51 traditional couples. It would protect us, but opponents say the bill legalizes discrimination before you give your analysis as you know I listen to Sirius XM progressive channel 127 it's so painful but Stephanie Miller Tom Hartman and Michelangelo Signorelli all week I have to hand it to the cis-gendered white gay guys. They really did bring this to the forefront, but it was pretty much the gay guys only who really worked on this from what I was witnessing. I wouldn't be surprised but the thing is that George dodged a bullet they don't even know about

44:31 Because if they had passed this thing, it would have given the Muslims outrageous freedom to do all kinds of nasty things like not let people in their cabs which they did. Which they've been busted for in places like Detroit and Dearborn. For oh the guy you know he was seen with a dog so I'm not giving you a ride And this was like a common thing with the Somalis and some of these other minorities that are Muslim minorities. And this would have given them free reign! It's almost as though I'm listening to this thinking, who is really behind this? These Christians can always get away with doing what they want and not giving people

45:09 the baby if they were an adoption agent. There's ways around having to need a law to protect you I'm almost convinced that this was organized and probably dreamed up by a Muslim minority, to begin with. Wow! And these idiots in Georgia just don't get it Slow clap Thank You Very very good and you know what is mind-boggling about what you just said when you hear this argument which i've been hearing for the whole week that never entered my mind you nailed it It never entered, but you only think crazy Christians. Crazy gays! That's all you're thinking." Wow thank you for screwing my head back on straight that was like an instant b12 shot yep that really helped nice You know in Georgia here's the state that then some I remember years and years ago when it was like i think in the early 80s they outlawed sodomy

46:05 They had a sodomy law. And there's a couple other states that have this, I don't know what the point is... I think they're still on the books here and there. And then the irony of it- let's bring up to major irony of this by the way Atlanta is probably more gay than San Francisco It's an extremely gay town. Nobody that is from Atlanta will deny this, it's mostly up in Buckhead I mean the downtown of Atlanta is black but Atlanta is an incredibly gay area and everybody is very happy with this not like they're bitching about it There are a big Jewish population in Atlanta Yeah? Is there? Yes! Ron Bloom is from Atlanta Oh you're right yeah there are a lot of... yes it's a very cosmopolitan area

46:50 So, why would they come up with this in the first place? Because Atlanta's the capital. They know what's going on... So we have to look at it. ...so I have to assume it was the Muslims that came up with and they snooker these idiots! Well you've got to backtrack that now. You gotta go find out. I just might. You mentioned Native Ad which is correct there was a Native ad packaged all over AP kind of sad really that AP lowered itself to this Maybe they're just an unwitting participant. The dreaded airport security line at airports around the nation, these lines are getting longer leading to missed flights and frustrated passengers but the weights are expected to get worse this summer flyers will likely face massive security lines at airports across the country prompting airlines to warn passengers to arrive at least two hours early or risk missing their flights.

47:42 of factors is causing the delays. Among the chief reasons, the Transportation Security Administration's failure to enroll enough people people in its expedited screening program called PreCheck. Only 9.3 million flyers have enrolled, just a fraction of the 25 million people the TSA had hoped it would have signed up by now. But based on the promise of PreCheck Congress cut more than 4600 TSA screeners nearly 10% percent of the workforce Now the TSA is scrambling It's unconvinced that we can improve the process, we can improve efficiency. We could still meet our effectiveness targets and we can improve the passenger experience The TSA is shifting some resources to tackle lines at the nations biggest airports including using dogs to sniff bags and help lines move faster Still with more flyers and fewer security screeners there is no easy solution on the horizon

48:37 While this, and I think the reporting is so sad on this because it was some form of promotion for the pre-check which is not free and not easy. But how can this be okay? Now I understand that this is the TSA saying... This is an outrageous story! Well what's outrageous and I want to hear You was outrageous because they come up with this crazy idea of makes it almost impossible to get pre-check I've tried to do it. I'd luckily a flight TPSA or PSA Southwest a lot and they give you

49:13 a pre-check free, but to come up with some cockamamie program that doesn't work because it's impossible to sign up for it easily and then just fire a bunch of people in advance because you projected all these is going to be so successful. It's nuts! This is bad management." Well, even worse how can we allow this to happen? That huge lines in the unsecured area of the airport just two weeks after someone blew up an American Airlines check-in at an airport. Right? Where's that part of the story?! They're they're missing that part of story somebody for what does you want to do a lot of damage walk get in the line with? The but the pack uh-huh, you know have a TP or T ATP whatever it is T ATP yeah And just get make sure about halfway through the line and by the time when you get really bored with your down the line then boom You take out everybody. You're done

50:07 Just from a security, huge threat just for somebody's security standpoint. Well that's the first thing I thought is like wow That's not good to have a whole bunch of so where I feel when I'm standing in the line or series There's some mad bomber in here that's gonna blow up the whole thing be afraid slaves anyway Yeah, yeah they should rush these people you should be rushed through that line. Yeah rushed There should be a sense of urgency to get you out of that line. Yeah, because it's dangerous! Dangerous I tell you. But no they don't... It's about overtime and who is going to have to work the next shift? They don't even give a crap there are no bombers anyway

50:55 Before we thank our producers and executive producers, I want to roll out a little anomaly that i noticed over the past week. I see just came in today apparently Apple has now released iOS 9.3.1 which would fix the problem I was having with my iPhone and of course I was not alone it is now day six so six days after this started of course we had Easter and yeah why would anyone work on Easter? And I was right actually, I was right about the shared web credentials and it turns out well The actual technical reason is not that interesting because it's obfuscating something else because there was an issue with the iOS 9.3 release initially if you probably saw

51:45 It was more than a week before my problem started. They issued it, it then quote-unquote bricked older iPhones they pulled it back and reissued it and there was something different about this. Okay... As you recall the reason and this affected older devices and what would happen was you would install, the install would start and then it would say you need your iCloud credentials. And for whatever reason that broke a lot of people's installs so Apple took it back then they re-released it now even though was 9.3 the last few numbers of the release were the same was 2 3 actually strangely enough I think was three three at the end

52:35 for those older phones, and then people could unbrick their phones. And there is iPad 2s and here it comes iPhone 5 and they could restore them with the new update without being signed by Apple but being signed or authenticated by your iCloud login And this was just quickly, they put it out. People could fix it only for those devices and didn't really adhere to my problem or any- there were no other devices that were bricked What's interesting is the next day The FBI says yeah we don't need Apple We're all good It's all fine We're in

53:20 And I'm, and I don't know one hundred... So you're putting it. You're adding two and two? I am! I'm saying Apple released something specifically for iPhone 5 iPad 2 and it didn't work and then they re-released it and instead of Apple signing the update if you had iCloud credentials which we know the FBI has the iCloud credentials because they reset them It does not as far as I understand not dependent on the device to have the same password you could override that for this one time for this one release Boom Collaborateurs! Holy crap. Shave their heads, I tell ya'. That's the...I've never heard even thought of what you just said being part of the solution to that other issue they were having And a lot of people are gonna say NO! No! No! And it's fine. I'm just saying You're gonna say that anyway The timing of this With that voice by the way The timing of this is very very suspicious

54:21 And, you know so where is... Do you think they're bringing these crazy Israelis? By the way I think it's an insult that they supposedly brought these crazies unknown Israelis actually their company has been named. They've done a lot of work for the services in the States. We have no good techies here that can do this domestically? I guess not Just a bunch of schmucks got to bring in those sharp Israelis But maybe they had nothing. Maybe the Israelis didn't help at all I'm just saying my guess the often they Apple had an issue it bricked people's phones They and was specifically iPhone 5 iPad 2 they re-release people are able to fix their phones because they Because they were off as far as I understand, they were Authenticating it this time not by the Apple key but because there were bricks This is what I'm understanding and people have also

55:19 at least partially confirmed their, or completely confirmed their suspicions. People are much smarter than me and then they pull it back and then the most recent release number is 337 or not 3-3 but 37 that's the one that I got And i didn't have to do any icloud authentication But then I said oh don't worry Apple's magic box turned out no true One day after they did that I'm just putting two and two together, you're right. Could be wrong but... I like it! Yeah. Is that a coincidence? I think not! Coincidence? I think not! And with that i'd like to- No such thing as a coincidence. I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to John Suhney where the C stands for Coincidence Devorah! Well in the morning to you Mr Adam Curry also in the morning all ships and sea foods on the ground feats in the air subs in the water

56:23 and all the Dames & Knights out there. Who do we thank today? We thank Nick the Rat. Yeah, Nick! He brought us the artwork for episode 811—nice one it was there was a lot of good art that we had to argue about and then we picked at Nick Art because what was there some specific reason well he had the EU egg that was cracked in the yolk was bleeding out so it was EU breaking up it was Easter it had all the elements I mean yeah it was an egg which is Easter Egg and then

57:02 you know, it was dynamite. It was dynamite. I tell you that's a nice piece. Very nice. Good work Nick. Well we do have a few people who thank for show uh what is this 812813? 812 yeah 812 yep We had one idea i might just mention but i don't have to mention the idea you had which was to be 12 promotion but it was little too hack sore for my taste i guess sir philip Tottenhauer or is it Totten-Fototen? Fotonhauer. Fotenhauer. Sir Philip Fotenhauer who is, this not an instant knight just as he's now at 3x so he's baron now

57:50 And as in a baron, not Baron. He's in Tampa Florida John and Adam please upgrade me to 3x status. Done! Some clarity on when de-douching is appropriate for members of the round table? It has been awhile since my last donation As appreciated anyway, that's that would be appreciated with open protector. It's starting to disappear in Deutschland spoken is Deutschland spoken for I believe so yes, I believe we have a who do we have in Deutschland you'll take Baird of Bavaria and Austria strike strike strike Strike and notice he takes it as a consolation

58:31 which is to you Americans, it's Austria. Yeah. Oh strike as a consolation that's pretty funny but very as part of but it's okay I think he can get this Bavaria if there is a dispute you'll be resolved by the peerage committee now I believe if he takes over Bayern and he also gets the Bayern motorback fabric in Maybe BMW. I think doesn't he get yes, good yeah BMW Well, you're at it. He's like a Trump bing-bing-bong boom and Jobs karma would be appreciated in regards to Philip I'm gonna give him a de-douching because he's kind of on the fence if he deserves it or not But oh he deserves it. I think Barons can do whatever they want You've been de-douched Bing-bing-bong-bong jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote

59:27 Beautiful. Thank you very much. David Tanya there in New York, 36441 she actually mailed in a check and which has a picture of the original Rolling Stones on the back it's like a little card and That's when they were good because they had that what was his name the guy was a guitar player who died in the swimming pool What's-his-name? The guitar player that was on the original Rolling Stones Oh Brian Jones, right and Brian. Yeah Brian Jones yeah, yeah Brian Jones Well we all know that it was really the manager that killed him I wouldn't be surprised They had a love affair It was all messed up

1:00:16 It closes my tax refund donation with which completes my path to Viscountess. I'll send a separate email with the accounting Thank you for completing, yeah she's a viscountess now. Put her on the list. Change it, i don't think she is on the list. I think she is, ill check. I dont think she is because it came in as card and never told Eric Oh okay that would make sense Yeah no it has it here Baroness Tanya Viscountest its on Huh. Magic, thank you for your courage and passion in producing the best podcast in the universe all the best Tanya now I'm going to do a Meetup in New York people have been wondering about yeah, I must just announce it on here But I'll send a note out to everybody because like you don't want me if you got something You've got something that promotes I mean, you know on a podcast your message will get far so on a new York on Tuesday April 5th my birthday. I'm gonna be having dinner at Sparks. Oh

1:01:12 Sparks. Sparks Steakhouse, one of my favorite steakhouses in Manhattan and I'm gonna have dinner from 6 to 8 and at eight we're gonna do let's do a meet up in the bar it sparks until they throw us out so that's after eight Yeah, eight o'clock would be the meetup time. Okay now if I were you if I were you personally? I would have said Meet up in the bar at Sparks after 8 Now you've set people up to come in and stalk you while you're eating that's fine okay You got the whole family we can take them If anybody wants to come by and say hi past the table, that would look pretty cool I think actually. Yeah no they should be coming in bowing to you like your royalty. Oh no handing me an envelope! And bowing to you and hello sir hello sir hello sir hello That would cause quite a stir Yes and then from time to time he just pushed one of them against their forehead and said YOU'RE HEELED Well...I probably won't do that

1:02:13 But, okay. I can see a lot of eye rolling coming up in the Dvorak family. Yeah oh yeah, yeah. The family only takes so much of it. Onward! Gregory Davis in Austin Texas at 330. This is Sir Gene's friend. Please accept my donation to the best podcast in the universe this brings me to knighthood. I'm excited to announce the release of my book RE, I guess go R-E. R-E think sales management? Is that already part of the title not sure. I think it's rethink

1:02:50 Rethink, oh ha! Who's got a capital T? It's lowercase r, lowercase e which means you know. B12 and then think is rethink sales management please send me the karma for my safe consulting startup and the website challengeassumptions.com which this time unlike the last donation the website is actually ready That droning bell noise may have thrown me off, but at least it has me donating. Please pay my play my note to that tone and give me karma and a happy joy if that's a bit I don't know what the happy I don't think we have happy joy joy looking for this I can't I Don't know I've no idea what he's talking about was something some dead that ringtone probably created

1:03:44 Okay, well we're gonna give him karma for sure and really appreciate his contribution and support of the show in the work. You've got karma. Merci beaucoup? Oh this is not a good note. This is Sir Boris Marinoff one of our old time supporters. No no mature supporter's not old or long time He's one of our longtime supporters. 234-56 from Trabuco Canyon, California over a month without a job he says. Please send some job karma because my application has been stuck for two weeks at some boss' desk waiting for his signature. Oh man... Bogative! Jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs!

1:04:36 Okay, now this is an interesting one. This is anonymous from Sterling Virginia 23456 one of my favorite donations Now you'd be an associate executive producer along with Boris love He says he has a very distinctive first name that's why he wants to be anonymous. This is unanimous greetings from Northern Virginia Yeah, okay we need more donation some northern Virginia by the way yeah You got there listening because you know yeah I've been listening for almost two years now and the guilt has become too much to bear. I had to donate, please accept this donation of the best podcast in universe and consider it an initial payment towards knighthood keep up the fantastic work on this outstanding product my only shout out is as follows hey Kenny what's up with that insta-knighthood? I'm thinking about him having some kind

1:05:33 Recognizable name or you know some kind of name that people would an odd name that people would know And we think about it most spooks that we know who are on TV as pundits They're all Bob or Mike. You know what I mean There's a lot of ones with the weird names, too But you're right Bob and Michael simple names Bob and Mike is good John you can put that in bill bill I'm gonna give him a de-douching ender. You've been de-douched. Yell... You've got karma. Alright, anonymous! I'm gonna look up see if we can find uh... Jeremiah? Yeah i also have a note from him so he may be in the email box t r i e b e l Let me see if I got a jeremiah and I do not believe I have a jeremiah in my box

1:06:29 Anybody got a Jeremines box? It would be nice if it actually typed T-R-E-I-B. And we have just a couple of notifications from PayPal, no. So if he has a note for us or something that he wants us to send I will read at the later date. Okay. He sent in 23456 from Longville Texas Excellent That would be that Onward to Ignacio Salome. He's in Gardena, California 200 bucks and he has... Let me see what he's got here I have a cursor there he is

1:07:22 Hello, John and Adam. I've been listening to the show since November last year 774 to be exact Congratulations on a great episode last Sunday 8 11 and indeed it was The pile of evidence you managed to extract from the propaganda machine all pointing to the possibility that Isis B is being controlled by We have to talk about our story now we do being controlled by the US interest left me with a peace of mind knowing that such an attack on American soil is highly unlikely. I figured i might as well just donate because already pay a bunch of companies for peace of mind, auto apartment medical insurance so I consider my donation sanity insurance

1:08:00 I'd like to say hi to my friend and co-worker Henry Hernandez who hit me in the mouth then proceeded to remind of how much a douche I was. Every time we discuss the show, please de-douche me and consider this my first contribution toward knighthood. I am an inspiring fiction writer so please give me some much needed karma to shop the writers block away." Now before we do that, we need to talk about what happened to his donation or what happened to his PayPal account? Yes! And... This was, um... Yeah. His account because he used the word ISIS Well we don't know that he used it but we know from- Somebody did Mark Hall who uh... Who supported us on I think it was episode 805 cause I looked it up for him They blocked his account The money came through but they blocked his account and they specifically asked him Why did you mention ISIS in the note of your donation? Right

1:09:02 So I'm just gonna say probably not a good idea to put that in your donation notes. Yeah, so Ignatius got through with the note The other guy... Well no Marx got through too but both of them but the PayPal account got frozen after that yeah, yeah do not use ISIS or ISIL I don't know about Dash, I don't think anyone knows what that is. Let's just not do any of that! Just be careful when you write these emails because PayPal and everybody is being looked at... Yeah we're on a list now, all on the list. Yeah we're all on the list. Here's how it goes Hey we've had two donations with ISIS Can you give us everyone who has donated to that Paypal account please?

1:09:47 It's all, uh... They see this stuff as code. Code? Oh God! But the thing is, the way I see it, um... It ends up giving us at least two or three more listeners Yeah within- They're in the van. They're in the FBS surveillance van but they're still listening! They're loving this show Thank goodness And by the way when they listen and I'm sure that being on a list doesn't last forever because it's like they listened to one show and then These guys, these coots. I've heard about these two jokers. A podcast? No! ISIS doesn't use podcasting That's the one part of the new media spectrum that ISIS has not conquered yet There is no ISIS podcast This isn't outrage

1:10:38 Yeah, which makes you wonder about their this the greater so there's media they're like a bit great with the internet. I don't see where's the podcast mention it? Where is the podcast should be a bunch of ISIS podcasts exactly Alright am i deducing him first Is that what yes he do ship You've been de-douche it's almost too delicious to believe my friend Hillary Clinton you might die Okay, you've got I got it karma And then finally Laura Hickman in Virginia Beach Beach of Virginia $200 and I couldn't find a note from her so Let me check Laura Hickman. You said yeah good old Laura Donated before no I don't have any I don't think Laura or Heather Laura No heathers another one that now don't have it well she can send us if something if she needs that

1:11:39 All right, that'll conclude our group of people that are the executive producers and associate executive producers to be named on the podcast as such. In the MP3 and credits? Yeah! for episode 8, 12 and they get special credits and they can put it on there. And you tell them? You have the pitch give it to them?" The pitch is that these credits are real just like everything you see on a television show or in a movie. You see the executive producers associate executive producers either at the beginning or somewhere after the opening leader we try to give that kind of respect uh...and these can be put on your IMDB. LinkedIn seems to work very well whatever you do remember we have another show coming up on Sunday.

1:12:20 And until then, you have many things you can do. One of which is propagate our formula. Our formula is this we go out, we hit people in the mouth. So I have a little tidbit about executive producers Oh okay Which I never knew Alright Because they just don't talk But One of the executive producers is always typically, if you're the showrunner, the person who actually makes the show work. Well that's if it's a TV show not a movie but a TV show No not movies It has to do with movies, its tv shows because tv shows are just... The way credits are done is completely alien to movies But executive producers on a TV show one of them is the show runner Right Which one? When they string them out They got this and that

1:13:20 Well, you're not gonna. Are you asking me a question? Well I'm asking if you've heard this Yes, I worked in television all my life yeah showrunner Okay who's the show runner? Who is the show runner? Show runners the person Yeah The show runner is ultimately responsible for the whole kit and caboodle since between the production on them on the credits Oh, how can you spot him on the credits? I don't know The last executive producer It's also often created by. That's also often the showrunner. In fact, 90% of the time, the showrunner is also the created guy, but he's also listed at the end of this credit run as an executive producer. In fact John Bokenkamp who does The Blacklist it says created by and then they have all

1:14:11 all these executive producers and then sometimes two, I don't know why they put two and then one and then one. And the last one is again Bokenkamp so if you're ever somebody out there who's into business or want to be into business or want to write like this guy is going to write fiction and you want to get a hold of the show runner for one of his shows that guy is the one you wanna get ahold of as the last... That's the guy right? So that's the guy. Show runner because some there was some guy wrote a big one of these guys who's like a lesser executive producer just he's like a writer and he's also executive producer once in awhile He wrote this long essay about how to deconstruct them Oh the credits? I should put that in the show notes Yeah, it was a while ago. I just remembered it now but yeah anyway There's a little tip for you out there that you won't get on any other show A little tip

1:15:04 Hey man, last night mainstream media was carpet bombing Donald Trump. Oh yeah! Unbelievable and carpet bombing is the only appropriate comparison I'm amazed the guy's alive at all It's astonishing to me that it took him so long but And I, it's actually what's really astonishing is he has just did such a poor job of fending them off. I think he just dropped the ball on...I think he lost his touch or something. Oh no, it was huge B12 moment! He totally got flustered. Yeah. He fucked up. He fucked up. 70 so he can have B-12 moments and this was definitely one of them and they didn't waste any time yeah and you're right carpet bombings the only way to do it except put it now

1:15:56 And it was, I'm looking at him like dude do you know what's coming out of your face right now because you just said something really fucking stupid. And i think he was just flustered and yeah so he messed that up big time. He is going to have to eat crow and what we're talking about in case you didn't see it is he wound up saying that if a woman has an abortion, then the woman should be penalized. Punished! And I have to say that whoever was interviewing him...was it Chris Matthews? Punished! Was it Chris Matthews who was interviewing him? I forget. Yeah and Matthews was peppering him with this. He flustered him! I don't know why he would even do a Chris Matthew show

1:16:42 But he totally flushed it him and Trump, of course Trump what hour or two later said no this is a statement. I think if he doesn't do the following he's an idiot This is exactly the moment when you should come out and say hey know what everyone wants to hear me say yeah I made mistake I'm sorry I was wrong Boom! Done That's what I'd advise I am stunned that he hasn't done that Me too. This is the point in the campaign where consultants should be listened to Yes, this is where they got to bring it in

1:17:22 You gotta have, because there are people that are you know because right now he's just He's probably irked about this and he's not handling the retraction properly And you're exactly right. What he should do is apologize and say he was wrong, you know It just say it was wrong. He was like we wasn't confused. It's completely Idiotic gonna be confused too when you get the red button now what I did want to do is is, uh... because last night and I don't have all the names of these people because i was recording this all off the television and just cutting it as soon as possible. It's not that important but we had Don Lemon who was in charge of the carpet bombing and Pooper of course as well And Don Lemon Well not he but you're about to hear some funny stuff He brought in two right wing radio hostesses

1:18:18 I don't know their names. So he drummed them up from somewhere and he had both of them to come into comment now what they're commenting on in this particular clip is not about the abortion gaffe, this is about Michelle Fields which has such epic proportions, this incredible outrageous event that took place I just wanted you to hear some of the words they're using to describe Donald Trump. So these are, I guess technically Republican surrogates but certainly not for Donald Trump on with Don Lemon who is But the guy is orgasmic. You know, as a female reporter Breitbart where Michelle Fields was working was very friendly to the Trump campaign so I mean the sort of excuse that Donald Trump's campaign initially gave at the very start of this was Michelle I didn't know that you were with Breitbart So the fact that that was sort of the excuse that I didn't know you were with Breitbart

1:19:16 If he's willing to do that to someone who is the most friendly campaign—the most friendly outlet possible to his campaign, Who is he gonna do that? Who's gonna you gonna do that to next the Washington Post CNN. Oh, oh my god What are you doing extra not going to just be an arm rib I mean this is sort of his test if he can get away with sort of manhandling the press in this manner There's no stopping it. You could be kicking everybody's ass No stopping him We've talked about it you had the clip and then you see the video So he can get through we're gonna do the deconstruction in a minute

1:19:58 This is just the funny stuff. Now, okay? So let's ratchet it up one notch and go to the other person. She should not have been doing that and she didn't fall to the ground. Don's going to get a response based upon what Trump said. It wasn't dragged to the ground in all of the things that she said Anderson I stick up for people and i don't want to ruin somebody's life who would've been very easy for me to do so Why are you shaking your head, Bethany? He sounds like a domestic abuser. I mean she didn't fall to the ground She wasn't that badly hurt. She had a pen in her hand it could have been anything She was vetted by the Secret Service everyone on that campaign has been traveling together They know who she is they know she's with Breitbart

1:20:37 You crunched through it, but I want you to hear that. Just here she is calling him a domestic abuser This is very classic misogyny and I'm one of the last people to ever use that term willy-nilly. Wow! Willy nilly, I'd like to know who this is because she's not one of the big three that I know of. He mentions her name in the homie... She should need an olive. I stick up for people and it's very easy for me to do so. Why are you shaking your head Beth? Beth. Beth?!

1:21:17 I have no idea. Look her up. All right, now... So the carpet bombing is on! The part of the carpet bombing is great. It's just it's great. Now let's bring down, I have to say Don then brought in some other another right-wing female talk show host there were no men who could weigh in on the issue of course because what do we know about battery or assault? We're just all abusers domestic abuse and And here's what she said. I can't believe what i'm hearing, I heard the term domestic abuser and wow First of all their facts are completely wrong I believe one of them said that they knew who Michelle Fields was because she covered the Trump beat for Breitbart That's completely wrong She didn't cover the Trump beat The regular reporter for Breitbart that covers Donald Trump was sick that day so they sent Michelle So please know your facts

1:22:09 before you chime in on this. So no, they didn't know who she was all they saw was a very aggressive woman coming up to Mr Trump touching his arm the Secret Service stated that she touched him twice they had warned her to stop and she continued to do so. If anything she committed battery on Donald Trump You see in the video that he flinches jerks back That's in the surveillance video that everybody has seen This is defensive move on his part comes in and steps in to avoid the situation, to get between them. How on earth is this even an issue? This was an aggressive reporter who failed to do her job didn't ask questions at the Q&A as she was supposed to And then got annoyed probably just because Donald Trump ignored her She wasn't able to ask her question and embellished this crazy story I don't know how this has become an issue It's disgusting frankly To hear somebody use the term domestic abuser when there are women in this country daily that truly are victims of domestic abuse

1:23:05 I'm angry to even hear that, as a woman and most of all as a conservative. So this is an alternative story. And what is interesting about this is apparently she was not the regular reporter and she was only there for the first time filling in because the regular reporter was sick Taking into account the audio, which I think we should replay in a moment. The video doesn't really show all that much and you'll notice during this whole conversation no one is playing the audio they're only showing the video and giving you a narrative of what they believe their seeing but you have to understand that one of the largest investors in the Breitbart News Network is Robert Mercer he runs

1:23:52 hedge fund Renaissance Technologies, he's also one of the donors of the Pro Cruise Super Pack. So if you have something like this where these two people also immediately stood up and left... I'm quitting because Breitbart is not supporting me? Fishy! to say the least. Very fishy! Now, Pooper continued this and I like this one a lot... Oh actually let's just hear Ben Shapiro quickly because of course he also left. This is a douchebag man here what he said What are your thoughts on the charges levied against Corey Lewandowski? I mean i think that it's the police's job to decide whether a charge is merited or not and simple battery is merited under Florida law Isn't it crazy how Ben Shapiro sounds like Ted Cruz

1:24:40 People don't have to kind of realize that he was a 12, I think it's like 12 or 10 or 12 year old conservative wunderkind. Ah! Du lieber! Who used to espouse the conservative principles that are kinda modern conservative principles that you might get from Ted Cruz or some of these people that harp on the Constitution. And I believe as he's gotten older, because he still gets a lot of attention and he is still a fast talker and he always had quick replies to things... He, I think is disappointed in his career path because he ended up on Breitbart which was not like the New York Times. I think he's going to start something up

1:25:24 Well, it appears to me that this was a setup. It's certainly... ...a possibility considering all of the crap that went down with this including- well let's just play it now- including the audio which we just- they're not playing it anymore! That's the thing that is so incredibly lame and we played it for you on episode 807 five episodes ago And this was, yeah. Okay here's the- Can you play it again? Yeah! Mr Trump you went after the late Scalia for affirmative action do you still are you still against affirmative action? Thank you Yeah, like what threat were you that was insane I wasn't saying

1:26:21 Yeah, go for it that's really I'll go for a oh my god Oh I don't want to do what he just did to me. Oh my God, that's kind of smooth for you that someone would do that? What was the threat were you involved with? Nothing! No thread?! I was asking about affirmative action... Alright there we go so and that's why they don't play the audio because it's not ratings worthy There is nothing going on. It's not incriminating. Nothing going on. And there is another little thing that has always bugged me abou this They keep saying a Washington Post reporter witnessed it

1:27:03 But he never chimes in and says what he witnessed. What he witnessed was revealed in that audio tape, he witnessed it but it doesn't mean he witnessed battery He just witnessed it. And I want to talk about battery in a moment, but first let's go back to CNN with the carpet bombing Pooper on four women five with Pooper and this is all it says all women oh nothing about women and then he brings him appropriately brings in another woman who doesn't like it and she triggered one of the panelists. So I have to say trigger warning, trigger warning, trigger warning and it is unfair both from a journalistic standard to presume that Mr Lewandowski is guilty and its unfair from a criminal justice standard And im quite frankly ashamed that women would That is the trigger Ashamed Trigger

1:27:57 I'm quite frankly ashamed that women who are journalists would go out and presume this man guilty in the court of public opinion. Let me just point out, the Secret Service on the record says they don't comment on anything like this And the Daily Mail is the Daily Mail one. Well, CNN is CNN Anderson. We'll take that into consideration. I find it astonishing that this is the first time I've heard Kelly say the word ashamed but she's ashamed of women standing up for another woman who was assaulted by the campaign manager of her candidate Now you have to understand in today's millennial culture Shaming someone is about the worst thing you can do so when you said I am ashamed of you You are shaming someone and this on college campuses around the country is a huge trigger that This is the first time your shame. Don't know that she don't know that it is not a shame to the fact

1:28:47 that Donald Trump is called women fat pigs, you're not ashamed of the fact that Donald Trump decided he said he was gonna pay for the legal fees of someone who assaulted a protester. You're not ashamed of the fact that Donald Trump can never apologize for anything? I said I don't like those things! But you didn't use the word ashamed. You should be ashamed of those things but you're ashamed of women standing up in journalism standing up to someone else in a situation that a person running for president should have absolutely involvement in whatsoever. This should have been handled over with and done but he has an inability to apologize. Let Kayleigh respond. I've said many times Tara it's disingenuous to say that i have not disowned those things because on this very network, I've said it was inappropriate for Donald Trump to retweet that picture of Heidi Cruz however you just said a man who is guilty of assault. Tara do you know that that that you are defaming someone? You could actually be brought into court for allegedly

1:29:42 Is that true? You think that she did that, it could be a possible offense that she did that. Yep I think so too. I think she's right. No, you're not Tara but I would wash your words because that's a violation of the highest principle of journalists journalists. Are you kidding me? It's a violation of our criminal justice system to presume someone guilty on TV when there are two varying accounts Tara. Oh, but you need to be careful. I love it! Really really really really don't we all know really that this is the man and yeah one at time one at time Trump's words when he you know Anderson Cooper could get a gig on Bravo. No, no hurting these angry women everywhere He's thinking to himself catch fight gray. Yeah, he's thinking of himself That's why I'm gay that's what he's thinking to himself Trump's words when when he lies in one sentence? He says one thing and then says something else You're not concerned about Donald Trump when he says that women should be punished for having abortions And then changes his mind three times later, you know, I love the changes is mine three times later Well, I think it changed my ones later, you know

1:30:42 after two hours when he got in trouble for it. I haven't been asked about that, so don't put words into my mouth when i haven't been asked about that subject. Because you consistently defend the indefensible with Donald Trump and you're doing it again today! No I don't- This is about common decency. I just point out to you things that I didn't- It's about common decency. Let me see, let me see. Let's just take- Booper But the carpet bombing was everywhere, including a rare occurrence from the podium at the White House during The Daily Briefing with spokesman Joss Earnest. I am confident that neither President Obama nor President Bush would tolerate someone on their staff being accused of physically assaulting a reporter lying about it and then blaming the victim That is completely unacceptable behavior

1:31:29 I think i forgot to play the Ben Shapiro thing we talked so long about him. 20 seconds. What are your thoughts on the charges levied against Corey Lewandowski? I mean, I think that it's the police's job to decide whether a charge is merited or not and simple battery is merited under Florida law clearly and you know Corey Lewandowski is lying liar who lies his boss is a lying liar who lies they're both thugs. I thought thugs were black people. I'm confused now. I always thought thugs were black people, now all of a sudden we're told to be Trump! Yeah, yeah... We were told as Trump? I don't understand how can it- I'm so confused now! Guys have gotta get their act together. It needs to be in the glossary. Ugh, they should know kidding

1:32:18 I'm kidding on the glossary. Now, do you have anything you want to insert? Because i got tons of stuff if uh... No, I mean, I just kind of let it slide. I was thinking if you wanted to talk about us fine. The last show I made a point about Trump and how boring he is but again I did see all this action. I saw the action. I was rolling my eyes most of time. The one I thought was good I don't know if you have that clip or not, but the only one where they really...I thought Pooper nailed Trump on it was in the town hall. Where they brought these two guys together and said this debate is stupid and I don't think anyone listens anymore but he did have this when Trump made a comment well he started it about the picture of the ugly wife. And then he said, get in response to my five year old! Yeah

1:33:08 Cooper says that's the response of a five-year old and then Trump was still flatfooted I think he's been flat footed things off his office cycle tired. Trump should have said if you wanted to get them get the big laugh Was no, I think it's more like a 12 year old Yes, yes, yes that would have been so much better. I agree. I agree Okay So Hillary of course Hillary Clinton jumped right on board Oh yeah And what she did was too I think she made a mistake as well, as she is now pivoting towards the general election. And she said that's the way all Republicans can talk. I think that's a mistake. I believe she should have just kept hammering Trump because other guys came out and said no we don't believe in that and this is not what were about and this was a mistake etc

1:34:02 But what was more interesting is when she was on the phone with Pooper, something cropped up again. You go through the last month and there's just a lot of evidence that his behavior has been inciting violence. You're obviously trying to fend off a primary challenge from Senator Sanders... Exactly Exactly, and if you... I'll roll it back because you've got to listen. It has not gotten any better her cough is bad You're obviously trying to defend against the primary challenge from Senator Sanders It's bad! It's been a while she's had this cough now Yeah she's got something wrong She's got an ailment Yeah definitely needs to be careful on that Very very careful

1:34:51 Uh, okay. Then we have... this was... so Hillary got an endorsement from Chuck Schumer? Wow! Another guy we should be advising. Have a listen. Hillary! Hillary! Hillary! That's Chuck Schumer going. Chuck Schumer! Insane! He is insane. Insane, insane. Hillary, killary whatever you want to say. Yeah yeah yeah okay then we have I think i'm missing something here that I wanted to bring up and oh well we'll have to find that later okay

1:35:55 We can move on to the people for Bernie Sanders, just to cover some election stories here. And then I want to roll into something that you started off with...actually we've been talking about it on email, rare email thread where we've been back and forth with someone at least three times. Happens. People in Arizona are very angry about what happened with the polling from what I understand the state removed a lot of polling places. And this wasn't covered very well or just I missed it, maybe was watching something else but they had... It was covered pretty well? Yeah. It wasn't covered with any editorial bent? All right, just B-roll. Just kind of flat covered by the news

1:36:41 Well, the people of Arizona had a town hall where they could air their grievances and it was packed. This is voter suppression at its best standing in line four or five hours to vote? How can we call a winner when there are thousands of people still in line. This is a travesty of justice, I really feel there's criminal intent They had one polling location for 100 000 students There were tons of people like myself that had to turn around People that were crying, people that we're in pain they could not handle the wait times and they left Voting must be simple this last election as you see it was not simple We The PEOPLE know

1:37:24 know that our electoral process has been corrupted. The Fraud-Asco guised as a presidential primary on March 22nd, 2016 needs to be nullified and constituents need to be allowed to vote some of us to revote the corruption has become so established that it got comfortable so comfortable that it got lazy so lazy that you've got cops Wait for my favorite guy. This is ridiculous I want a revoke. Hey man, this guy's totally hammered me!

1:38:07 You know, the 100,000 students for one polling place is the giveaway. Of course it is! That's his audience! So Hillary can walk with him. I forgot to mention...I looked up the legal definition of battery just to go back to Michelle Fields for a thing and there are a lot of exceptions when battery is justified. Battery which...battery can be just so you know battery can be touching even touching your clothing doesn't have to be...a battery is touching but with some form of intent to achieve something which doesn't necessarily have to be violence. The exceptions, however... if someone is committing a felon you can arrest them, citizens arrest, you could battery them but most interestingly let me just find the exact spot in this definition it's all of course in the show notes at 812.noagendanotes.com here we go

1:39:08 Sorry, just skip me. Here we go... We have one situation. A battery may be justified as a necessary means of defense in some situations One against the plaintiff's assaults in the following instances In defense of himself his wife His child or and this is very good A servant may commit battery to protect his master And these words are used in the legal definition Master-servant relationship And I don't know the definition of master-servant relationships because slavery, but in the legal definition a servant may commit battery to protect his master and that would be justified means. Yeah, justified means now i'm not a lawyer

1:40:00 But I've done two divorces myself successfully. So you must know something, yeah? Back to Bernie... We had a little email thing with one of our producers about what was happening with the media blackout on Bernie Sanders in Washington state and he had some assumptions- He swept! He swept. Did he sweep? Kicked ass in Washington, I think 70% or something like that And we had three way, the three of us on email about why and your assertion which I think is correct is? My assertion is very simple. Bernie is the only person who's ever been sincere because everyone else talks a big game about campaign finance reform but he's actually sincere about it at least believe that he's sincere believed enough so that the networks aren't going to cover him at all no matter how he packs them in you'll fill up us

1:40:55 football field, look at the Rolling Stones could do no better and it won't be covered. Meanwhile there will cover a small gathering of 40 harpies in an auditorium listening to Hillary they got the cameras for that but they won't cover Bernie and the reason is because they're scared to death that he is essentially, and I use the word essentially. He's essentially threatening their business. Their bottom line? Their bottom line is threatened by campaign finance reform if it's going to be implemented in the way he's describing And it's possible that there are two things going on. One, it is possible he can actually make it happen which that won't happen but the real problem is him talking about it so much He keeps talking and talking and talking about it The network says look he will give people ideas

1:41:47 They're gonna get ideas and it's gonna hurt us. It's gonna screw our bottom line." I mean, Les Moonves talks about this openly how much money CBS makes over these campaigns because of all the money that's spent. Yeah he's done! He's never going to get any coverage. So the genesis of this is very interesting then i came across an interview with...I've never seen this guy his name is um what is his name? He has a show, interestingly enough his show is called The Agenda. What's this guys name? I'll come up to it in a second. Yeah he was one of these guys kind of like a mid-level guy you see...he was somewhere else i don't know if this is on tv or if its but it was really very nice conversation as he listens very closely not trying to jump in all the time It's half hour and he interviewed Micah White

1:42:45 Do you remember Michael White? Probably not. I do, vaguely! He was the... really the Occupy founder he started Occupy Right Very very intelligent guy and because of this email thread and I know the universe does this to us sometimes It fell right into this conversation about Bernie, and we can now go back to the roots of the Occupy movement to see how this came to be. And you'll recall that we were very focused... I mean, we were talking about Occupy Wall Street weeks and weeks before the media even acknowledged it was happening! You remember this? Oh yeah, in fact much of our discussion was about how it's being ignored

1:43:28 Yeah, it was... I didn't go back and get anything but there's tons of clips from around that time. So the birth of Occupy listen to this What made you think that this kind of protest was different from anything that had preceded it? I think part of it was the historical situation that was going on and i think that part of it also was this new shift towards leaderlessness. That we were seeing in Spain, that was really inspiring to see that people of spain were doing these consensus based general assemblies and they weren't marching but instead they were manifesting the ideal democracy so i think you had some kind of magical thinking about we could manifest a perfect form of democracy. Just follow that thread through what did

1:44:09 might be able to achieve by doing this? I think that, you know the sky was the limit. I think that Kala and I and i think a lot of people were thinking about regime change in the sense of getting rid of the power money influence our democracy which 2010 US Supreme Court said corporations and unions can give unlimited money to candidates and we know that the candidate who spends most wins ninety percent time so we were trying to overturned highest decision made by the highest court which You know, at that time it sounds naive now but they had toppled the Tunisian dictator. They had toppled the dictator of Egypt we thought we could topple the financial dictator of America So there you have the genesis of this campaign or Bernie I would say and Of course the next question is...I really like this guy his name is Steve Paikin P-A-I-K-I-N so Paikin something like that

1:45:03 And of course the question any Noah Jendelist nor producer says is well how'd that work out for you? How did you do there with Occupy Wall Street dude, and how much of that plan Do you think actually came true well we didn't achieve that goal for sure You know and that's why I call occupy wall street a constructive failure. You know it failed to achieve What we set out to achieve but in failing I think it taught us a lot about the limitations of contemporary activism. It taught us about the limitations of that storyline of activism we were following and chasing with Occupy Wall Street, so in the end I mean it's good a failure- We learn from our failures but i do think it's important to acknowledge it as a failure so that we can learn from it." Now I like this guy! I like what he's saying He totally acknowledges what happened and is ready

1:45:48 You know, drop out of my one wall the millennial crap comment. I see the chat room's already responding that way but... ...I believe there are some nuggets in here. Are you still with me John? We're still connected? Yeah no, I'm listening. Okay. Now we go to- Oh yes! I am actually looking at The Agenda website just to see if I can find something. Alright well make sure your listening because there is- Comedy Gold So, the protests. They realized the protest did not work. Did you get close to your goal? Did you get somewhere close to your goal? I think that every social movement, every protest is really like testing a hypothesis and i think that the great thing about Occupy Wall Street is we tested a hypothesis that basically has been dominating contemporary activism for so long That hypothesis being that the best way to get social change is to get millions of people into the streets rallying around a unified message

1:46:40 We tested that, you know? And I think we definitively tested that. We created something that spread to 82 countries and 1,000 encampments... You can't really say it should have been bigger or we should have had more people. No! It was plenty big! So the beautiful thing is we tested that hypothesis and now we know its not true Do you know why you were unable to sway the balance of power? Basically our theory of change was wrong At the very base of it The people in power don't have to listen to protests. This is, I think something that we don't want to hear We don't want to hear that because it means maybe we don't live in a democracy But the fact is that we've been operating under this illusion that there's some sort of law

1:47:19 that says hey if you can get x number of people into the streets then well because we live in a democracy your representatives will somehow like have to listen to you but you know that's... Because it sometimes does work. It seems to work in some cases and its very strange like I think that it sometimes works when it justify, when it works to justify pre-existing tendency within the government for example they they'll kind of over to move our because mubarak stepping down was kind of what the western geopolitical system wanted and so they could point to the student protesters make a sailing look you have people in the streets yet to listen to them he stepped out but when those exact same tactics were basically imported into america obama completely ignored the movement he didn't mention i've had wall street until it was evicted from zuccotti until basically he's sure that it was done is when he started to talk about it for cutting that parking your cigarette the part that we did the first thing can you know so

1:48:09 I think that gives us this kind of, that's one of the reasons activists make a mistake is because we start to see that sometimes protests seem to work but it seems like that's in times when it justifies a pre-existing disposition of the government. It's weird no memo! I've got a little thing to insert. A friend of mine works at The New York Times and was an activist during the Vietnam War And there was, during the Vietnam War there was nothing but protests. There were tons of them they're everywhere people bitching and moaning constantly They were...and they were violent protests that people are getting killed and it was all kinds of action everywhere He says he was so depressed when Dean Rusk wrote his biography Who's Dean? Who is Dean Rusk? Dean Rusk I think was head of defense department or secretary state one of two Yeah But i think Defense Department during Kennedy or Johnson administration They were both Johnson

1:49:07 And he was, we wrote this biography. McNamara was I think defense. McNamara and Russ were these two guys that it was one of their books. So they read this in the biographies and he said it turns out that the protestors had absolutely zero effect on Washington. They were not being paid any attention to didn't give a crap and they're gonna do what they're gonna do when they're going to do with the way there are gonna do anyway and it was just he said himself I felt like an idiot. I went through all this work and it was just like, it was futile there was nothing to it. I didn't get anywhere with wasn't accomplishing anything." What I like is that he doesn't...he says it's really weird protests seem to work when you know the government wants it to work and strange how it doesn't work when the government doesn't want it yeah! The protest in Tahrir Square were abused

1:49:58 by the US government for regime change. And this is what they were modeling it on, is on this regime change and we can do this... They were suckered by the Arab Spring! Yes and of course we know that the movement got hijacked which he addresses here with a term I was not familiar with When you would try to interview the leader of Occupy there was no such thing and when you tried to get the single message that came out of Occupy, there was no such thing. Have you come to the conclusion that that was a mistake? I mean it's it's a difficult question and we told people let's go down to Wall Street let's come up with our one demand and let's...we thought let's make that one demand set up a presidential commission to get money out of politics. But the thing is, I was based in Berkeley California, Kala and AdBuster's based in Vancouver so when the idea went to New York City it was taken on by people who believed in something called prefigurative anarchism which I had never heard of and under that paradigm you don't make demands instead you build the ideal society within the microcosm of the protests And so... It wasn't so much a mistake as it was the only way it could have gone Prefigurative Anarchism

1:51:02 Yeah, I never heard of that either. Well pre-figurative politics according to the book of knowledge are modes of organization and social relationships that strive to reflect the future society being sought by the group so what they were seeking was leaderless democracy and... yeah which is a form of anarchism Yes uh and here's him talking about that leaderless movement and how how that worked out for Mike Check! Mike Check! Hello? Mike Check John Mike check Mike check! I think that the beautiful thing of Occupy is that it did give us this idea of horizontalism and leaderlessness, that we should no longer invest the will of our movements into single individuals. And there is a kind of power in the group which was really an idea that we got from Spain with their consensus-based assemblies It's not something we just made up but something floating around the global movement. That was beautiful. I think it's true. Leaderlessness wasn't a complete failure

1:52:01 the way in which it was practiced during Occupy with a very strict consensus-based you know, it paralyzed us. Yeah attention if you're in college if your millennial pay attention what you are trying to do does not work we could not come up with that we could not come the complex decisions we in fact like you saying we could not put forward articulate spokespersons because people like Kala and I and other articulate spokespersons would recuse ourselves in fact they would say were not taking any reviews and there was a kind of tendency to tear down any potential leaders or charismatic individuals so The way in which leaders this was practiced I think was possibly not correct, but the ideal is still something that we need to figure out and chase after. Yeah no don't chase please don't chase after that now of course and this is wrapping it up This guy who I like he asked the right question Follow my twisted logic here if you will Can you take some credit in the fact that Bernie Sanders Is as popular as he is right now Because in effect He's running a campaign on a lot of themes That you guys raised namely

1:53:02 The system is crooked, there's too much political money in it. The 99% and their agenda is being completely disregarded for the corporate agenda in America Now he's not going to win the nomination but he's having a hell of a run You take any credit in that? I think that yeah...I do. I mean I think Occupy Wall Street though can take credit for the rise of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump In the sense that both these candidates represent People who are desperate for social change. They're desperate for change We haven't solved any of the economic inequalities that created our movement back by movement But at the same time they are suspicious of the old protest methods They're looking for new things, but you know I think my critique of both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders is that they are still a regression to that old leader

1:53:42 leader based style. It's still the system of like putting my hopes into this singular individual... But they want to speak for the voiceless? Right That is one thing those two very different guys have in common, right? They want to represent people who feel underrepresented. Right and I think that they are both the result of acknowledging that there is this passion among the 99% that is willing to kind of, that wants someone who's gonna say I'm gonna smash things up and make things different. And so I think that yeah it is a beautiful thing but at the same time I am a little bit wary of them. Is there any historical precedent for leaderless democracy? Not that I can think of

1:54:30 There's always a leader. I mean, this is the system that has been established is atop... now it's a pyramid. There are people who don't want to lead and there are people who want to be led! This is the problem. Yes. Most people want to be led. There's a lot of people that wanna be leaded. In fact, I remember listening Serpico, the cop. The real cop not... Yeah the New York cop who was they made a movie about this guy yeah we didn't hear of him and his lament was that when he finally when this all came out and if the corruption of the New York Police Department came to the fore and even now became a TV short-term TV celebrity one of the things he said

1:55:15 After this he says you didn't like doing that because he says it turns out that all people wanted From him on all these talk shows and all these other things just for him to tell them what to do, right? And he never wanted to do that He says he says he came to the conclusion that a lot of people if not most people want to be led around by the nose Mm-hmm. Yes, he couldn't do it was not his style his style. What he wanted me was a cop Right. And he wasn't like, you know a mayor or somebody who tries to get people to do certain things and I always remember him going on and on about that because some people don't want to be leaders and some people there are anarchists out there that don't want to be led and they don't wanna be a leader But what is the thinking behind leaderless democracy? This thinking is flawed

1:56:07 It's a utopian thought process that doesn't exist. There are people, you've met these people there... A lot of them are in Hollywood and they don't see any reason for the system being the way it is because after all they've done fine for themselves it has nothing to do with anybody but them. And uh.. They don't like the idea of somebody bossing him around What about a director in a movie? What I did, he did have one final comment regarding the current protest against Trump which Trump protesters should listen to. For example Occupy started in September and ended around you know was evicted in November American elections happen in November had there been an election during the height of Occupy Wall Street we could have totally shifted the course that election And so I think that

1:56:53 What I would say to people who are going into the Trump rallies and kind of disrupting is we need to think bigger than that. I think that disrupting the Trump rallies is like, that's a small game in terms of activism. Any activist can do that with 20 friends. What's bigger than that though is figuring out how would you build a social movement that could beat Donald Trump in an election? Rather than trying to disrupt him let's eclipse him! Let's use that fire he's tapping into that we basically created. We created that intensity. Change your avatar is what I'd recommend Change your Facebook profile pic that'll help. That'll really do it for you, really do it for ya But I like that! I thought it was interesting to trace that back to Occupy and that was exactly what the movement was and it failed because of mainly because of the leaderlessness And no strategy... No strategy They had lots of tactics but no strategy This is like this You know these meetings that go on in Silicon Valley where there's

1:57:47 If they're left to their own devices, you know just... It's a noodle boy! Yeah. Noodle Boy. That's all we're talking about here. Noodle Boy. Here I have a Trump clip play this one is Trump screaming. Turn them off! They are too bright turn them off! Let's go ready? Turn off the lights! Turn off the lights! Turn off the lights! I do have one video that we're always looking for the plants in the audience. We've had the Marco screaming plant, we've had the Ted Cruz screamers. Trump has done fantastic with the plants. He had the Mexican lady come in, you know Mexico Mexicans love Donald Trump!

1:58:46 had another Mexican lady come up and feel his hair to make sure that it was not a wig. Yeah, this is all bullcrap! So this piece that I have here and i think I shed an actual tear when I heard it was one of the best plants I've ever seen in my life. It's not uncommon, I'll give an example let's say you have a charity for well an easy one we've all seen this growing up for people of low social economic standing i'm trying to say poor people correctly but i forget how to do it kids in africa

1:59:27 So on the cover of whatever report for a non-profit, you'd see the most horrific child. Perfect child with really... You know he sees ribs and there's a fly on his lip? Yeah. It's the money shot we call that now I'm not being an a-hole this is how nonprofits talk too! We want the money shot so he had the equivalent of the money shot brought in in the audience They completely... Is this Trump? This is Trump, yeah. Completely messed it up because although the audio is good there's no good video of this taking place now you could piece it together from cell phone video or whatever so if this was a plan which I suspect because it hits three! It hits healthcare, it hits Trump on women and uh..I'm gonna keep the last one secret

2:00:14 And it's beautiful, but you've not seen it anywhere. It has not been a report on mainstream. This was rather smaller Trump meeting and looked like a Rotary Club who is kind of on the podium. There must have been couple hundred people in the room and he gets the following question or comment from the audience. Mr. Trump, Melissa wants to thank you she said something say okay hi. Hi Mr. Trump I was Miss Wisconsin USA in 2005 Okay And, um... I can see why. Thank you! You have been-I just want to say thank you. You saved me in so many ways and in recent years I've been struggling

2:01:00 with an incurable illness and I'm on home care now. It was caused by a doctor's medical negligence, and in those dark days fighting right now all the tubes have been removed and i have a do not resuscitate order." Okay we're setting it up this is a former Miss Wisconsin of course one of Trump shows on one of Trump shows I presume she's terminally ill they've taken all the tubes out she has a do-not-resuscitate there's a dying woman. And I have a seven year old son In those days in the hospital, I received from you a handwritten letter that said to the bravest woman I know.

2:01:39 I remember that. Yeah, I remember that. You... Such a wonderful beautiful woman! I mean just an amazing woman and are you coming along okay? No sir but um that's okay because i'm here right now to thank you in person and that was my biggest dream And I wanted to thank you because through you and your organizations My son who is Mexican-American 7 years old BAM! The trifecta Boom, dying woman. Through your organizations and just being able to stand on that stage with you back in 2005 the outpouring of love that came from that ultimately provided my son when he graduates high school with a full ride to college. That's great education

2:02:34 And you know what we'll do? We're gonna watch him. You're gonna watch him, Tana. Tana, watch him! We're gonna be watching your boy okay but you're going to hopefully be around...you're not gonna have anybody watching. Thank you. You're gonna hopefully be around those doctors are gonna be so wrong I love Trump for this! Those doctors- fuck those doctors they're so wrong But we will be helping you So thank you God bless you and just he's a Mexican American Kim, and you because of your efforts have sent him to college. And I've been writing letters to him for when i'm in heaven... Oh God! ...to tell him that what you've done for his well he has a great responsibility to pay it forward just as you have done for us and I can't thank you enough. That's so nice. She is going make her Mexican-American son pay forward just like Donald Trump. Thank You. That's beautiful. Wait..I am sorry but I have go down and say hello. Is that okay?

2:03:26 And they screw it up, they do not have the money shot. This video CNN posted on their website... Listen to this! And he hugs her and kisses her... The crowd goes wild! Wow what a great woman that is That's a great woman Great mother I remember that and its heartbreaking but something beautiful is going to happen you watch Something beautiful is gonna happen Folks I just want to say, I'd almost like to leave it on that because we can't top that. That is so amazing Because it was a plant obviously you wouldn't say that Can't top it Well it was covered in the Daily Mail and The Free Republic It didn't get a lot of coverage Not at all She uh...is uh Was Miss Congeniality So she had a lot of personality And could do something like this easily

2:04:20 Whether she's actually sick or not is another issue. She probably is I'm thinking she it was just too easy to figure out that she's neither if and It would be bad so she something was wrong with her, and yeah, she says do not resuscitate You're dead if they do not resuscitate is yes it Yeah, so she's got something wrong. I wish they would have said what it was but... Well It's really irrelevant. It is really irrelevant. No it's irrelevant because she's obviously on board for this and uh The irrelevant part What's interesting is that this is not shown. No And even when you can- Now the media has gotten too much black for giving him all that publicity and now they're trying to make up for it

2:05:08 And also I think once it dawned on everybody this guy could easily become the nominee. I think they were just on a goof run. Goof run? Yeah, goof run! It was great! Let's go cover the Trump thing at the rally. We'll have a good time. Good time had by all But now it's like, oh. Anyway I thought that was pretty interesting as just a piece It was a nice piece! It was great Got some people to thank but i wanted to read you something Something odd happened in the world of podcasting John World of podcasting And there is alot of anger and hate and disappointment going on And quite honestly we've lost one We've lost a great one and im very sad about it Man overboard Well its not just a man Its like a whole ship is overboard

2:06:04 Yeah, whole shit that the number one podcast on iTunes Are you familiar with the list of the top list of itunes podcasts? I know how that thing operates. It's not very accurate momentary popularity if doesn't really mean any do you know what the number one is No, don't it is The Adam Carolla show Adam Carolla show And the Adam Carolla show is now connected to Podcast One, that is Norm Padas' WestwoodOne outfit. There's a couple ways you can use that but they are doing some subscription-based thing it's like... They're trying to rival SiriusXM I think by saying pay $799 a month and you get all these great podcasts But there are ads in the podcast and Adam Carolla Show is now also on Podcast One but he made an announcement

2:06:56 He said that they're going to start twice a week, I guess they do five shows a week. Twice a week they will do a clean show because according to Adam Carolla himself the problem is our content. I'm here swearing a blue streak and companies like Cadillac do not want to advertise... Brand safe! This is it he didn't say but the term is brand safe And so he is starting with two shows a week which will be clean, not bleeped but clean. Not using language and the audience is outraged if you look at the subreddit for Adam Carolla

2:07:40 They're like, oh that's it. They want him to cuss up a storm? No no no John! They understand that this is just the beginning Oh yeah First of all you're self-filtering yourself and censoring yourself which is... Now he's used to doing that because he comes from mainstream Yeah which makes me wonder why make such a fuss to be honest Well we know what happens next Next, you know, don't Please don't talk about immigration, because Cadillac doesn't like it. All the advertisers are this. This is why I left my own company for this very reason if we look at the kind of stuff that we cover on this show With or without the cussing, and I don't think the cussing really adds anything It's just a bit cussing just to shock you wake in fact in his case is to wake the audience up by listening And it was like he just went on and I couldn't get any clips from it but its

2:08:37 Eventually, and if you'd like again listen to the content that we provide in this stuff that we talk about Where there is some cussing in the show But it's beside the point because the topics themselves are so controversial yes generally speaking on our show That we couldn't get away with any of it exactly and would the audience I mean For example saying that the staff of PC world or lesbians. I remember saying that earlier in the show It's not a dead boom you're fired whether true or not, by the way. It's not the cussing and I think that the audience is smart enough to know that they're smart enough... Did I say PC Magazine? I should have said PC World. PC Magazine is not where I work. Yeah but let's please correct that because like they like you still. PC World! One time was it.. You have a story right? I'm at one of these galas who are giving out awards

2:09:35 And the place is, this is a joke nobody got. I don't even know why I'm going to tell this joke. I think I am at the moment where I do not like PC World I'm at this gala and there's all these helium balloons, and I made the comment before giving an award. I said, I should grab one of these helium balloons... And inhale! ...and breathe into it and then start to talk. He said no, no, I shouldn't do that because you'll think you're in a PC World event. Ooh! I personally thought that was hilarious. Ha ha! I like it! Yeah, most people are going to go huh what? But it's I'm only bringing this up. It's important to understand that the new model is the one we have been pioneering for eight years plus

2:10:21 It is the appeal, oh we have to have some interaction and engagement from you. No! The audience is the production team. The producers produce this show which includes financial support that is the model of the future not the advertising I'm not against advertising but you get what you pay for or you get what you receive You cannot...you will always be controlled in the minute you know? You have to Go careful on topics. That will be the next conversation that Adam Carolla will have with the podcast one advert sales team because they're behind it They're the ones that are saying dude, we're giving you this guarantee This is how I don't know for sure but I here's this guaranteed amount of money per month But we need to recoup that and we can get the high-end advertisers cuz your cussing which of course is You know, they can't sell it as what they're saying and it's not about the cussing It's about any controversy? I'm sure

2:11:15 And now people will know how to control Adam Carolla by going after his advertisers. I'm just sad because, you know... the guy's doing it but i'm just sad that that's uh.. That's how it may go. Yeah you go after the advertiser and it doesn't take much It's like uh... The guy who played the clip from The Agenda, the kid He says anyone can get 20 friends and disrupt somebody's event That's what you do, same thing with this. All you need is you and 20 friends and you start to hound one advertiser, Cadillac. And in fact Corolla had this kind of a... I don't believe the story to be honest about it but he said somebody was taping his comedy act

2:11:58 from the stage with a recorder and then sending the tape of this to advertisers and saying to them. Really? That's what he says. They said they were sending the tapes to advertisers or potential advertisers with a note, do you really want to support this guy with advertising? This has social justice warrior written all over it It is possible. It's possible somebody could do that, you can't do that with listener-supported radio or any sort of broadcasting. Broadcasting has its own issues because the government has some control but it's just not possible but it is possible and I think you're right that they will control the content

2:12:43 of Adam Carolla's show, same way they do with everybody else's show. That's support. And in fact we have people that we thank for helping us and if I can find my keyboard...I keep losing it in the depths under the desk All right, so we'll start off by thanking these folks. Keith and I think I used the word right? Y'all thank you y'all Thank you all. Thank y'all Keith McColpin. I think Obama said y'all he's always saying folks in y'all yeah Keith McColpin in Imperial Pennsylvania 18545 hmm and He says he took his took a look at my donation history

2:13:40 Well, setting a payment and damned if I wasn't within striking distance of knighthood. And that's what he is getting. Nice! So that is a plus. Ceremony on the way. Michael Moore in North Hollywood California. We don't believe it. I don't think he is THE Michael Moore, does he? Yeah, I think he actually does live in Detroit or... Flint. Flint. He lives in Flint. Uh, 143. Sucking in soot. Monica Riordan re-reacted... Oh actually I'm sorry Michael Moore says or i didn't even notice that I was inspired to donate after speaking with John about another podcast this is the guy we were emailing with who bills themselves as a pirate ship but it's bowing down to advertisers! Yeah he's the one who tipped us off yes because to be honest about some of these podcasts We don't listen too. I got C-SPAN to watch

2:14:31 We get those things, yeah. There's C-SPAN definitely. Work to do. Monica Reardon in San Diego $100. Lon Baker 100 bucks from Parts Unknown James Skousen in Redlands California 6452 This drops off rather quickly. This is his annual birthday donation. Yeah this is annual birthday donation and you're on the list Sir Hugger of Kittens and Zzzz... in, or Sir Hooger of Keetons. In Zandam. Hooger of Kittens! Hey hello I'm Sir Hooger of Kittens how you doing? This is one dollar for every year John has blessed this world with his being. I think he's shy a dollar or two but not much He's good. He's good to go. Amanda Rosette

2:15:28 And you have a note or card apparently? Eric just stopped using this grey, it's more like black. And she is in Rockville Connecticut 6154 Is there a good note or card that you had to... There is Amanda. Amanda is the one who sends these cute cards. I had to show the card Sabina and Jay were over looking for something Who is Sabina? Sabina is Jay best friend Oh okay her BFF And they were over here looking for something and they spotted this car. She said it's a cute car, says with... It got a caveman on the front and it says birthday mean you no dead. Birthday good!

2:16:09 And so she wrote this little thing, long live no agenda happy birthday to my favorite buzzkill in a little heart. And Amanda's calligraphy is dynamite really pretty it actually could be turned into a font and would be very useful Were the girls looking for stuff in your office or just in the house? No this was at the back somebody left something here Do you make them wear hazmat suits They don't come in here So the girl spotted the card and I said this is something that...I've taught Jay this Amanda has got this perfect writing, but her penmanship in longhand for her signature on the check? Dreadful. And I've taught Jay for example because these kids don't learn longhand anymore and here's the irony of that how do you sign anything without looking like you're in the second grade and

2:17:06 I just want to make that point to people out there. Learn, at least if you can't write longhand try to give yourself a fancy signature or take calligraphy or do something so you could have a nice signature that is attractive in some way and you can wrap it off real quick and is hard to copy It's just, I'm sorry. I would be remiss not for discussion now but remiss if i didn't mention that we had an email from someone about my observation of telling time analog versus digital which yeah think has some really good points we can talk about later okay you want to do that now or you wanted me finish up the finish Okay, because I agree it's interesting that the note to the note was interested. It also applies of this is the same thing as a change if you What's the point of having a signature line on his go? You're never gonna use checks in the future you can assign your name on documents and all for the rest of your life some way or other and Maybe not maybe they'll get to electronic stuff. You never have to sign your name ever but

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2:19:43 Coming up including a meetup. Thank you very much good now I want to go back to what? I just said because I don't want Amanda to get mad at me Oh, I think that an alternate thing to having a fancy signature You can actually print out a fancy signature in Non-cursive and I think that would work as a signature. I've never seen anyone do that yeah, I can hear you What are you back there for oh you dropped out it was weird. Oh, I'm Ian who knows It's been one of those days Anyway, so that's just a little possibility. Well we thank everybody who has supported us very short list But it's a list It's better than having to suck advertising schlong because that's instead of watching c-span We'd have been having meetings Okay Cadillac wants to have a meeting now because they're so happy that you cleaned everything up and this is great They want to advertise on the Tuesday and Friday show Could you do a little meeting with them? So I could talk about if you thunj We know how it goes

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2:22:36 Go to NoahGeneration.com slash rings and Eric the shill will be hooking you up One of our knights in Japan is moaning that he's not can't seem to get his ring I will really take care well, you know every time he ships these things out of the country it becomes an issue Well we're certainly sorry about that He will fix it Yeah We will fix it I got a couple little like I can do a clip blitz today by the way Hmm. I'll do it in the world quickly though because we're I don't need to do it now No, no, I said like no I say but I'm saying within within Soon is what I'm saying We're almost done man this It's not enough time just want to play there's a clip. I wanna play cuz its comment needed all right This is this is the problem with news All right stop everybody hold on

2:23:37 Can't even keep a straight face. I can't either all right, what is the problem with okay? This is the snowpack report okay The Sierra snowpack provides about 30% of California's water supply, and so snow melt is important. And while many rivers are running fast at this time of year, water experts say our reservoirs will likely register only 90 percent of capacity. For those who enjoy nature the message is this Californians will still need to conserve I think we've had a great winter this year but overall I think the future is not looking too great and we need to do a better job of conserving overall. We can't get too comfortable with the snowpack that we have this year because the future is not guaranteed." No guarantees at all! Wait a minute, what did I just hear there? What exactly did someone just tell me? You heard their snowpack report and then they stuck a mic...

2:24:32 Into some kid's face. He wearing a Giants baseball cap, he just standing there is about 19 maybe 20 and he gives this report as though he's some sort of expert from the Geological survey or something and goes on and on about we can't be too good We can't be too cautious. We have to do this. We have to do that and he's giving advice And he's making assumptions. He just some guy this is the man on the street phenomenon Which has been exploited by Jimmy Kimmel, by the way Yeah, it's just blowhards on the street They don't eat this guy doesn't know anything why is he talking and why are they giving him high priority? I fight just found it like what it was this guy How does this guys some expert that we should be listening to you? Why should we would be listening to him at all a dynamite question

2:25:23 Well, that's the problem with news. I agree you nailed that Adam Curtis the Documentarian from the UK yeah He's good if you go to his website You'll find he did a short piece he did this short movie like a 10-minute one on on this plague specifically About how everyone's become the expert man has just become the expert which has been I think thoroughly debunked by The Kimmel Show Yes, yes I want to talk about Turkey for a moment. Okay, and we well let's just remind everybody because it was in the New York Times very happy bittersweet Mark Hall who we talked about earlier producer he has this movie Killing Ed, killingedfilm.com and it's about the Gulen finance charter schools all over the world but certainly in the United States and a lot of them in Texas and Mark is from Texas

2:26:17 And he showed this film in, I think UCLA. He showed it in New York and the New York Times reports that he's getting no love in Texas there pretty much banning this film censoring...He can't get a play! He can't get anyone to show his movie in Texas which is odd certainly where you know Texas is all about changing education not having it federally run but who knows what's going on with these Schools, these charter schools where you have a lot of... Here's what happens. Turkish educators I'm doing air quotes for y'all folks are getting H1B visa is that what it is? H1B visa and they have no qualifications to teach and they wind up not taking all their salary that goes somewhere else. You'll have to see Mark's film really and eventually you'll be able to see it

2:27:09 So who knows where that's going? This could be going into politics. I don't know, but for that to be censored quote unquote not really...no one wants to show it in Texas is odd and disturbing. is that Texas is one of these adamant Christian states, they got special textbooks and they're all in on every one of these preachers and the kind of stuff that goes on. How does that jive with this at all? It makes no sense! Other than the billions of dollars that are flowing through the charter school system and politics. And of course Austin is a complete Obama bot

2:27:50 headquarters of Texas. It's very hard to get anything done. No, no but even Dallas and Houston are getting a little body now on the heels of this something happened which was much larger than I initially thought understood it to be and we have recalled people from Turkey. We, we, that's not just we that's the State Department, that's the Pentagon, pull them out of Turkey! Turkey a NATO member The United States and Turkey are united in our common fight against ISIL and Insula continues to play a key role in the coalition counter-ISIL operations This is the Pentagon spokeshole about this? This decision was made at the request of General Breedlove as well But Breedlove is the NATO guy.

2:28:47 at those places in Turkey and what changed about the security environment that required this departure all of a sudden? First of all, in terms of the numbers my understanding is uh...the figure's six hundred seventy. That's a lot of people John to just vacate 600- It doesn't make a lotta sense 670 people Unless they say somethings going on They're not telling us Well I have some idea- Will be affected by this And I believe the total picture there is slightly more than that. 770, so approximately a hundred... These are dependents that will be affected by this. So let me just double check that number right now because i got this from Ucom earlier and make sure I've got this absolutely right for my exchange. 670 people, dependants that will be affected by this and they're 770 total in Turkey overall

2:29:42 Military members. These are total DOD... So these are just the family members? What he refuses to give or doesn't have is the number of military personnel that will not be evacuated. But a broader decision based on what we see in the region, you all have seen some of the things playing out.

2:30:23 in the region that this decision was being made at this time. Again, the US government overall making this decision note that our State Department colleagues have made the same decision and it is just out of abundance of caution safety and security of our personnel and certainly their family members is foremost to us And we feel that this is the right decision to make at this particular moment in time Yeah okay This is no small item And the thinking, what I've heard from our producers out in the field and in the region is there's a suspicion slash fear or anticipation Turkey is going to team up with the Saudis and they're gonna go in and kick some ass in Syria. This would also be the reason why Russia got out

2:31:11 Because they will come back if it happens. But there's a lot of crap going down right now, this is big! This is very very big and I'm surprised that its so underplayed even by smart journalists... There are a couple. Wow. Uh-huh. Well, it's stunning to me that this is not really covered. I did see a couple reports about this leaving Turkey with no analysis Yeah, why bother? Why bother? They got other things to do. Cocktail parties for one. Carpet bomb Trump. Carpet bomb Trump. Call him a five-year old. Now I don't know if it's related but there was a little kerfuffle as the defense department with what's the new accountant name? The Ashken Carter. All of sudden they do a little press thing and they say oh by the way we're ramping up for Iraq

2:32:07 But there was no real request? Are you guys doing your own thing now, what is happening. Well here's a report. In secret locations across northern Iraq the army's elite Delta Force is now conducting its first operations CNN has learned today at the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Ash Carter outlining what Delta and the Expeditionary Targeting Force ETF has been ordered to do. Seizing places... I love how they've come up with a new term. So Delta force of course, delta force, America coming in, get Delta force. But if you say ETF which stands for

2:32:52 Delta Force. No, no it's an abbreviation they're not using delta force that's not using that name that to soften it up here. Expeditionary Targeting Force! Expeditionary Targeting Force! Oh ETF? Yeah now I think expeditionary targeting forces code for investors Too short, the stock market. But that's just me maybe? I don't know. Could be! Because ETFs refer to an investment vehicle Yes that is on the downside making money on the downside correct? Well no any way you want up down in between doesn't make any difference. There are ETS for everything there's triples doubles there's all kinds of gambling ones The triples are the triple shorts for example Expeditionary targeting force wow

2:33:35 I would assume that in that report is code for the stock or specific ETF to buy, and you buy it and it may represent a short Or it may represent a long. It could go either way." As a theory, is it stretch? I don't think so! You never know... After watching the Rubicon show Why don't they just say Delta Force? We love Delta Force No, you're right. There's something to this. I think we may have stumbled on it And she even says ETF for short. You don't have to do that All right, let's listen to the report. What Delta and the Expeditionary Targeting Force ETF has been ordered to do seizing places and people free hostages prisoners of ISIL and making it such that I still have to fear that anywhere anytime it may be struck can

2:34:32 The only thing I'll say is the ETF is in position. John, more code! The ETF is in position. Look, the ETF is in position! The timing and location of all operations remains classified There are about 200 troops in northern Iraq They've been setting up safe houses establishing and paying off informant networks and gathering intelligence The plan? Attack compounds. Not just to capture or kill ISIS, but to grab laptops, cell phones anything that can provide more intelligence and lead to more raids Special Operations Forces have vast experience in Iraq and Afghanistan using these kinds of tactics and techniques New techniques as well with surprising openness

2:35:24 the secretary of defense detailed going after ISIS in cyberspace. Attention, attention dudes named Ben, dude's name Ben, attention here is what they're gonna do how are we gonna get ISIL in cyberspace? Interrupt, disrupt ISILs command and control To cause them to lose confidence in their networks to Overload their network so that they can't function. Oh you mean D dosing them Wow now That's it, that's that's worth a trillion dollars a year We're gonna D dos Isis use cloudflare just D dos isis. That's it. That's it how How did this woman get a job?

2:36:08 Which one? The one that sounds like Sylvester the Cat. Oh, that's Barbara Starr! She sits at the Pentagon with her big pearls and her old lady dress... I'm sorry advanced age lady dre-dress Yes, he's horrible. I couldn't pick anything out of that stream of yacking? No but there is one...I'll just stop that we understand what is going on Trump though was also messaging and this way..I think he was messaging very clearly I think it was a good job messaging but no one picked up your NO agenda show One of the things that we've discussed being very precarious for him is to say, that we're going to finally get it. We're gonna fix the army and military and all this bull crap, all these contracts that are waste fraud and abuse. Of course, the Military Industrial Complex would not take kindly to this kind of noise

2:37:01 Trump shut up. This is the gravy train man, what are you doing? This is not okay This why they want Hillary obviously trump communicated to them We're spending a tremendous billions and billions of dollars on NATO. So you would like to see an organization revamped, either NATO or revamped. Now if you do that you're going to obviously have to add different nations in because you have nations that aren't in NATO that are very much into the world of terror both in terms of causing it and receiving it. NATO is obsolete now that doesn't mean it can't be rejiggered and it can't be fixed and made good or... And for you that's a financial component? That when you talk about rejiggering... You have countries in NATO, I think it's 28 countries. You have countries in NATO that are getting the free ride and its unfair! It is very unfair The United States cannot afford to be the police of the world anymore folks We have to rebuild our own country we have to stop with this stuff What he saying is I'll go out and get your money from all these other freeloaders

2:38:01 Freeloaders. Why are we spending this money for these other countries when they can be spending it and we could be making even more money? Yeah, because the big corporations mainly Big Oil have been benefiting from that for decennia and Trump is saying well no that's not going to happen but he doesn't want to screw those guys so he come in I'm sure this has consultant written all over it yeah hey man if you say this about NATO don't say well just rejigger it smart Hey, Obama was trying that. Hey everybody you're supposed to spend 2% of your GDP and everyone's going yeah sure sure sure behind his back

2:38:41 No, not gonna do that. No... Well I got at least one report on what's going on with the big French catch Can we call this a part of Clip Blitz or are we not ready for that yet? No it is not Clip Blitz Alright This is because there's a little hiccup in here you gotta play this thing alright This is the attack thwarted in Paris Part 1 Hold on a second... We are learning tonight of a possible major terror plot now thwarted. Prosecutors in Paris say they have stopped an imminent attack after a chilling discovery, an arsenal of explosives they say unprecedented in scale The discovery comes amid the urgent manhunt for the man and who had still missing after the terror attacks in Brussels ABC's Alex Marquardt in Paris on the scope the size of this new discovery And how close they were to pulling it off

2:39:32 Tonight, the chilling disclosure by French authorities. The imminent plot stopped before it could be carried out by Reda Criquet a 32 year old Frenchman tonight charged with preparing the attack in the apartment which he rented under a fake name security forces found an arsenal that the prosecutor called unprecedented Well, I stopped it right there. Because the question is what is unprecedented? Yeah what would you expect to hear as an unprecedented arsenal? What would tanks and anti-aircraft weapons perhaps? It would have to be at least one hellfire that would be unprecedented

2:40:17 Man, this would have to be so big. Yeah either it's small amounts of items that are big like a tank... ...personnel carriers I don't know is it in clip 2 by any chance? Yeah! 5 AK-47 rifles 7 handguns TATP the explosive used in the Paris and Brussels attacks detonators acid and ball bearings Unprecedented the ball bearings Five Kalashnikovs and seven handguns. It's unprecedented! Unprecedented, I tell ya'. I just was floored by this because they emphasize it in that in the first part of the story two or three times. Yeah... I don't know. I do. Alright, I'm-I'm the timekeeper. Red 33! Clip Blitz! Time for the clip blitz. This is John C. Dvorak's favorite moment at the end of show. Okay let's start with Brazil NBC

2:41:14 turmoil in Brazil comes just months before the summer olympics and Rio de Janeiro. The television network NBC said Tuesday it's already surpassed 1 billion dollars in advertising sales for the Rio Olympics putting an on track to set a record for the most national advertising ever sold for a single event nice no criticism of that event Earthquakes. About 7 million people in the United States live in areas at risk of an earthquake induced by human activity, that's according to a new report by the U.S. Geological Survey which said states including Oklahoma and Kansas are now as high of a risk as earthquake-prone California of a devastating earthquake

2:41:59 The central United States has seen a spike in seismic activity due to the injection of wastewater from oil and gas drilling deep underground. Foxconn buys Sharp. Foxconn buys Sharp! His company, Foxconn has agreed to buy Japan's struggling electronics brand, Sharp for three and a half million billion dollars It's the first foreign takeover of a major Japanese electronics producer. Foxconn also assembles Apple's iPhones No comment? Yeah you gotta keep throwing that thing at me Your money is

2:42:48 Your money for the 86 million overrun. To your money tonight, wasted money? The Justice Department's internal watchdog revealing a stunning new example of government waste in 2008 the Drug Enforcement Administration and Department of Defense set out to modify an aircraft to use in Afghanistan The budget board at the time 22 million dollars so far the tally is now eighty six million four times as much And that plane tonight still can't fly. Sitting on Jackson Hangar in Delaware and will never go to Afghanistan because the program has been discontinued. Yay yay yay! Don't worry, we'll get NATO to fill it up. Red 33! Blitz! Police call turkeys

2:43:36 What's up police? Sergeant McLaughlin. Hey Sarge, this is the postmaster in Hillsdale. Hey, he's gone! Okay... You're not going to believe this but I got a carrier that's being attacked by wild turkeys and won't let them deliver the mail. On Esplanade Drive? Yeah, I guess that's it. 28, okay being attacked by turkey. This has been going on, its crazy they were actually attacking biting they chased their trucks everything Wow Take a look at it. All right, no problem. I'll send him over there. Thank you. Bye bye. What is that? Do you have more? Yeah one more. One more. Alright last one. Enough is enough! No kidding. Enough...is...enough! Alrighty then very good

2:44:31 Okay, they left a lot on the table but we will bring that to you Sunday. There's some great analysis of The Clinton emails and the FBI what's happening there? But I kind of want to be focusing on what's happening with We have the Ascension Referendum Ukraine ascension referendum in the Netherlands coming up and the Dutch a lot of propaganda going on the Dutch do net the Dutch seemingly Do not want to like it They don't like it exactly So I got some on that. There's lots of stuff because you enable us to sit at home and watch research and research research for you research and research Exactly, so we appreciate your courage And we will return on Sunday, and will you be in New York on Sunday? I'll be on New York Oh, we're gonna be an hour earlier

2:45:27 We're going to go an hour earlier next show. That's true, we should mention that and it should work out fine Coming to you from downtown Austin here in the skyscraper crackpot condo FEMA region 6 in the morning everybody I am Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley I'm John C. Dvorak We'll talk to you again on Sunday right here on The Agenda! We eat bugs You eat bugs Nothing like bread when you try. Ooh, thanks! I love bun! Caliphate The caliphate That is why we all die the caliphate The fact that they both have unpronounceable Italian names appears to be the theme. That and meat. At the local level right? Communications right? Right? You're a guy in the mosque right? It's right. Big teeth? That's right

2:46:32 Intelligence, rank the league, rank the local level. Rank the nation, boss, rank the ship level. So you'll know it's right everything is set straight. Intelligence, rank the league, rank the local level. Rank the nation, boss, rank the ship level. So you'll know it's right everything is set straight.

2:47:14 Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. They're too bright! Turn them off! Turn them off. Let's go, ready? Turn off the lights! Turn off the lights! Turn off the lights! Turn them off!

2:48:09 And wash your hands after touching any raw meat. Amen, fist bump! Adios mofo.