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00:00 I don't know about your flag, but I wouldn't mind seeing your pole. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Sunday, October 14, 2012. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 452. This is no agenda. Watching the Watchers and fact-checking the fact-checkers. From the capital of the drone, Star State, Austin Tejas. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where the fog has rolled in, it's gloomy. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. Ah, you sound great. Well, for as long as it lasts. Just don't have me watch any videos. Hey, you gotta be using Chrome.

00:41 Did you see the Michael Dunn piece? Who's Michael Dunn? If you're not listening live to this show, you have no idea why we think this is so hilarious. But no, I did not watch them Michael. Who is Michael Dunn? No go to your Twitter feed you get your Twitter open cuz you tweeted yeah, and there should be an at Adam Curry Michael Dunn I made this I know you'll both appreciate it. Oh, yeah, and I saw that that's pretty his his image. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's great Yeah, but he put it on the art generator. Oh Well, I don't think it actually would fit as a logo. Maybe. You never know. People sometimes... Noagendaartgenerator.com. They should probably take a look at that. No, no, it's not. Because he's probably not listening anyway. Yeah, true. So we're on the mumble today to see how that works. See if we get any better vibe than Skype. So this is a test. So far so good. We are exactly two minutes into the show. That's great. Yeah, and ten minutes late. So...

01:48 Any news this week? I think there's a few distractions of the week. I don't know if there's any real news. I have a question for you right off the bat. Something has really been bugging me. And this is a call back really to the to the presidential, the first presidential debate. Of course, we had the vice presidential debate on Thursday evening. We might talk about that a little bit. But I'm seeing one thing, and again, I know a lot of really smart people who are Republicans. I know a lot of smart people who are Democrats. They're very diehard. And the Democrat, the people I know who are Democrats, there's something that's really been bugging me.

02:32 they are using this 15-second clip from the presidential debates and I'll tell you what what people are saying about this now I want to get your take on it. So that clip people are saying he called the the president boy to his face okay so saying that this

03:13 What Romney said here was racial, was a racial attack on the president. Was a racial attack? Why? Because he's like, because where's the connection between that and racism? Because of the word boy. Because he's the equivalent of five young white boys. I'm telling you, this is a total meme and some really really... I haven't seen this meme at all. You're kidding me. No. I mean, you know, you know, you know, you may be getting a Texas, but I haven't seen Not at all. Not all this is everywhere. Oh, in fact, I'll tell you what this is the one that pissed me off this morning I will read this to you and then you tell me who wrote this Blog post he called the president boy Oh, it's from the boy thing. Yes. I have five boys. Yeah, I

04:04 Yeah. Oh my God. Listen to this. You're kidding. I'm going to read this. I've seen that. I've been seeing this ever since the debate and then showed up this morning on someone's blog. And I'm like, okay, now I have to say something because this person is not dumb. All right. Here's the blog post. He called the president boy just tuned in to a little of the Sunday morning news discussion on various networks. The big issue seems to be whether or not VP Biden was disrespectful of Congressman Ryan in the Wednesday debate. Yes he was, but I haven't forgotten what Mitt Romney said to President Obama. He said the president is like a boy who doesn't tell the truth. Quote, look I've got five boys, I'm used to people saying that's not always true, but just keep on repeating until ultimately hoping I'll believe it. He called the president boy, to his face, with 70 million witnesses. Watch the video a few times. I think this is far more outrageous than anything he said at the 47% dinner in May.

04:56 So this person is literally saying that this 15 second clip... That is not the case. Look, I got five boys. I'm used to people saying something that's not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping I'll believe it. But that is not the case. All right? That that is a racial slur. You can google this, John. You can google and see how many people think that this is a racial slur. That it was a smart, a really smart, subtle move. It was a tricky, tricky slur. Because he snuck in the word boys. It wasn't even boy, it was boys. So who do you think wrote that blog post? Well, it would have to be some a-hole. Dave Weiner. Oh, you're kidding. The guy is not dumb.

05:41 He's a very smart guy. He's a huge Obama bot though. Yeah, no kidding, but the people who say this have been programmed. Programmed. This is actual mind control at work. Anyway, okay, so I'm not crazy right because I you know I don't I don't like either of these douchebags But I'm not crazy when I hear that. I'm not I'm not thinking you said boys He called him a boy to his face. I mean don't forget your reference to douchebags is Romney and Obama not whiner No, no exactly wrong. I'll create a Thank you

06:22 But this is some form of mind control. And if you Google this, you'll see that lots of people tune into this. And the only thing I can say is, if you think this when you hear that sentence, You've got to be a racist yourself. Oh, no, you're a huge racist There's no no two ways about then you're thinking about the Democrats are very racist. I mean, let's face it If just go take a look at Palo Alto, there's they got the whole area the old world of blacks live They're across the freeway in East Palo Alto living by themselves and they don't like him getting over across them Don't go across the freeways the good tracks

06:58 Stay there. Fight the tracks. Boys. The old dog lives across the tracks. And the funny thing is I think a lot of Europeans don't even know that calling someone boy is racial. This is... And that really, and in fact the whole boy thing, I think most people don't even, I think most modern Americans don't know the reference. That reference is way old. Yeah, where is it from? From the 40s or the 50s or something. I have no idea. It's way old. You know, I think a few people, it's like the references to watermelon and fried chicken that Richard Pryor used to always like to make because it was like to continue the, that's more or less gone away. Yeah. So I know you didn't Google it, but I'm seeing 118 million results for Romney calling Obama boy.

07:53 Yeah, Obama is like a- yeah, I'm telling ya. I'm telling ya. And then Ann Romney of course compared him to a petulant child. So that's also a boy reference. I'm telling ya, did Romney call Obama a boy? Romney calls Obama a boy! My goodness people, get a frickin' grip. Anyway, so that's that's the state of mind-controlled America ladies and gentlemen Yeah, and you know that's a good one And I was thinking of posting a clip of the day if there was a clip well you heard the clip It's just it's not a big deal the thing is you know I saw this on when it whiners blog this morning, and I started writing a blog post I'm like no or a comment like no this is a mistake. This is a mistake. This is not my form I should not be writing a response to this I've got to ask John if I'm crazy first I

08:45 So I'm not, obviously. Well that's kind of criminal, I think, to be honest about it. That kind of analysis that Weiner would have made, or anybody else, would make the assumption that somebody... Hey, yeah, how about you? Do you have any kids? Yeah, I got two boys and a girl. Ah, you racist! You're calling Obama a boy! What? I don't have a boy named Obama. It's just... It's making me crazy! It's making me crazy when I hear this! So, first of all, let me just say, John, John, in the morning to you, my friend.

09:24 In the morning to you Adam Curry in the morning to all ships at sea boots on the ground subs in the water feet in the air and to all our Knights out there who've continued to support this show in the best way possible yes indeed and to Martin JJ who Brought us our art on the previous episode with our other artists at Martin JJ's kicking everybody's behind I mean it's it's not like you spend a lot of time by the way after every single show and Going over the art we do and we have we debate it and then in fact And I don't want to make it sound as though we're trying to you know even things out a little bit But I don't care, but Adam is likes to see other artists get their names up there, but after long discussions Jj wins again and again, and and it's just a combination. You know it's just a combination in fact I

10:14 Well, it's hard to explain. It's hard to explain. But if anything, we have the debate. I'm like, man, again, I mean, we got to give someone else a shot, but it's just the best stuff. So keep going at it, people. And always check out all of the art we have. And I also use a different art clip for the newsletter. True. Usually one of the ones that came in second. And I do want to say in the morning to all of the human resources in the chat room, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net, who are always there to keep us on the the straight and narrow and to piss me off from time to time, which is sometimes challenging. So of course I did watch the vice presidential debate.

10:55 And I have a few comments, I don't know. I had to take a couple of cups of hard coffee to stay awake through that thing. And then Biden, of course, now the big deal is whether Biden, you know, there's two sides. This is amazing how, this is why really seriously voting third party is the way to go. Oh yeah. Because that way you don't have to deal with this crap. I ran into somebody the other day, I said, yeah, who are you voting for? He said, I'm voting for Gary Johnson. Says, oh, you're going to waste your vote. Oh really? The old waste your vote thing? You're gonna waste your vote. Oh you're wasting your vote. I said oh really I'm gonna waste my vote if I vote for Obama. I'm gonna waste my vote if I vote for Romney then. Then who was this person? How's this any different? I don't care about those two guys. Why should I be voting for either one of them? Call this person out. Who was this? I'm not gonna do it. You know so we've discussed multiple times that the other candidates are not invited into the debate.

11:50 And this is of course the corrupt debates that only have two parties of the well there's at least 15 that we've discussed. However, Don King, Don Lemon to the rescue John. CNN steps up to the plate for us. So you've seen Obama versus Romney and Biden versus Ryan tonight, though a presidential debate you won't see anywhere else. Two presidential candidates not afraid to speak their minds about the issues that matter most. So now I'm getting excited, I'm like, oh my god, they're gonna do a presidential debate between two other candidates. This is huge. Gary Johnson, Libertarian Party nominee, and Jill Stein. I'm like, we're gonna have the stage, we're gonna have the audience, we're gonna have Don Lemon as moderator. You know, I'm getting moist just thinking about it. Green Party nominee.

12:37 They weren't allowed in the official debate, so we brought them here so they could add their voices to the national discussion. Now, John, can you understand my excitement at this part? I'm just, I'm like, oh my God! Yeah, I can barely, we're suckered. Go on. We're going to cover a lot of topics from the economy to social issues. But as third, even fourth party candidates, I decided to start with the obvious question, though. Why are you running? I'm running as a mother and now they add it to a Skype conversation. She's on Skype. And Gary Johnson's a medical doctor. He's like in some other room. They have a tri-screen up. This is not a debate. And let's just listen to Jill Stein for a moment. Listen, because she's no good. Political medicine because it's the mother of all illnesses and we got to fix this one in order to fix everything else that ails us.

13:34 What propelled me into this race was when the president put Medicare and Social Security on the chopping block as the solution to the debt ceiling crisis a year ago. So I'm basically in this to ensure that everyday people have a voice in this election and a choice at the polls that's not bought and paid for by Wall Street. This is like, whoa, you're so boring, Jill Stein. You have no platform. All you're doing is, well, I don't like what they're doing. You have no message. And to ensure that we can put forward the solutions American people are clamoring for. Now let's listen to Gary Johnson. That was a little bit longer than 30 seconds. I didn't give you the time, but let's do, we'll try to let Gary, we'll give him a minute or so to do it. Now you ready, John? Because, you know, I'm still on the fence between Roseanne Barr and Gary Johnson.

14:21 But I think Gary Johnson clinches it with this performance in his CNN third-party debate. Gary, so why do you feel you'd be best suited to run the country and why are you running? Well, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think I could do a really good job at being President of the United States. I've been an entrepreneur my entire life, two-term governor of New Mexico, I think very successfully at that. And the differences between myself and other candidates, look, let's not bomb Iran, let's get out of Afghanistan now, bring the troops home. I think that marriage equality is a constitutionally guaranteed right. Let's end the drug wars, let's legalize marijuana now. I would have never signed the National Defense Authorization Act. I would repeal the Patriot Act. I think that we need to balance the federal budget now or we're going to find ourselves in a monetary collapse and let's abolish the IRS.

15:11 and eliminate income tax and corporate tax. That will reboot the American economy. Tens of millions of jobs get created in a zero corporate tax rate environment. How good is that guy? Yeah, you don't want him up there debating. The only thing he didn't say was, hookers and blow for everybody! That's the only thing I was missing. That guy's great! Well, it's all the good it does. Right. Now, how funny would it be though if you had that debate? If you had like, Biden or Obama or Romney against Gary Johnson. It would be like no contest. He would wipe the room with those two guys. Those two guys are stooges. They're stooges for the military-industrial complex, it's so apparent. They didn't do anything. Obama is just essentially, like somebody said to me,

16:06 So who are you going to vote for in the 2008 election? I said, I don't know, I think I'm going to vote for McCain. Don't vote for McCain because if you vote for McCain, these wars are going to drag on, they're never going to repeal the Patriot Act, the economy's probably going to get worse and worse. And I said, well, maybe. And it turns out he was right. I voted for McCain, the economy got worse. I know it's an old joke. So the only thing, well, there's a couple of things. Biden had a big fat lie, a big, big lie that I was surprised that I have not heard. One, he had a bunch of bull crap in there. Well, but there was like a really big one. Which one do you think? Well, listen to this audio. They talk about this great recession if it fell out of the sky, like, oh my goodness, where did it come from? It came from this man voting to put two wars in a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit in the credit card.

17:00 trillion dollar tax cut for a very wealthy I was there I voted against them I said no we can't afford that now did I hear him just say that he voted against the wars the two wars that we put on the credit card is that what I heard him say John's what he said okay let me just say wait wait wait if you parse it if you parse it carefully yeah It may be that he really said he voted against the one thing that he said at the end of his little list. No, but he says he says I voted against them. So that's right again. I voted against it. They talk about this great recession if it fell out of the sky like oh my goodness where did it come from? It came from this man voting to put two wars in a credit card to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit in the credit card.

17:44 trillion-dollar tax cut for a very wealthy I was there I voted against them I said no we can't afford that I voted against them yeah big okay well just wanted to point out that on joint resolution 23 September 14th 2001 Joe Biden voted yay and on the Iraqi vote Joe O Biden voted yay So unless I misunderstood, which is possible, but it sure sounded to me like he was saying, I was there my friends. I was there. I voted against it. I voted against it. Well, he voted for them. So yeah, that's a lie. Well, he also apparently Rupert Murdoch took him to task on this Twitter feed, which I actually now believe he's actually writing.

18:33 okay cuz you got nothing else to do he says his bullcrap he says Obama and Netanyahu aren't the best of friends as though a Biden made it all right all the time in fact they're drinking together they're on Facebook their Facebook friends chatting it up they're on mumble I hear okay so so there was some really Mean I I'd lost the kind of interest in watching when when these guys they don't even understand the basic principles of what their jobs are or what their their bosses jobs are Here's the question came to Ryan for Russia to give us the green light at the UN Russia's do something about there. They're still arming the man Iran is flying flights over Iraq and the opposition is being armed to help the shah Assad

19:24 And by the way, if we had the Status of Forces Agreement that the Vice President said he would bet his vice presidency on in Iraq, we probably would have been able to prevent that. But he failed to achieve that as well. Again, here comes the question. What's your criteria for intervention? Okay, so the question is what is your criteria for intervention in Syria? There is only one, but we'll listen to what Ryan says. In Syria? Worldwide. What is in the national interest of the American people? Wrong! I'm sorry, that is wrong. That is only if Congress votes to go to war. There's no other criteria. The people, the people. Not you, douchey. Only the people can do that. Now let's listen to a very egregious statement by O'Biden. What would you say to that American hero about this campaign? And at the end of the day, are you ever embarrassed by the tone?

20:18 Vice President Biden. I would say to him the same thing I say to my son who did serve a year in Iraq that we only have one Truly sacred obligation only one truly sacred obligation as a government as a government That's to equip those we send in the harm's way and care for those who come home now Sorry, that is wrong. That should be to defend the Constitution That is the only sacred thing you have you douche these things really get me when I hear them say this so much How can you how can you do this?

20:56 How can you do these things? This is just, it's so nasty. Well for one thing the Constitution is being marginalized on a daily basis so we can just get rid of it. But I did learn something and I'm surprised that, well maybe, I mean I learned what the fighting season is all about. Didn't know the fighting season. Yes illustrate the issue here because I think this can get a little confusing We've all met with General Allen and General Scrapper Adi in Afghanistan to talk about fighting seasons. Here's the way it works I'm like we're gonna get an explanation. Oh, I miss this this villain was snow the Taliban and the terrorists and the Akhani and the Kedah Shura Come over from Pakistan to fight our men and women

21:38 When it fills in with snow, they can't do it. That's what we call fighting seasons. In the warm months, fighting gets really high. In the winter, it goes down. And so when Admiral Mullen and General Petraeus came to Congress and said, if you pull these people out before the fighting season is end, it puts people more... I like that grammar. If you pull these people out before the fighting season is end, Now you could say over or has ended but fighting season is end? Something's wrong with your programming sir. We're at risk, that's the problem. Yes we drew 22,000 troops down last month but the remaining troops that are there who still have the same mission to prosecute, counterinsurgency, are doing it with fewer people.

22:21 That makes them less... Now here's where it got really interesting. Same mission to prosecute. Oh yeah, the wording is beautiful. He's got a weird way of saying things. Well some of it's just grammatically incorrect. But now they get into a little tit-for-tat which had me thinking about something. We're sending fewer people out. Is that correct? Conflating?

23:07 Yeah, is it like isn't a conflagration or conflating? I never heard the word conflate I've heard but I don't think he's used it right let's look it up. Yes. This is a very good idea What does conflate mean conflate definition Conflate to combine no it's actually a very good very good use of the word I to conflate, to combine, yeah, okay, we'll take it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did well. Yes, we will take that as a correct answer. Former, and Admiral Mullen was the fighting season this spring. That's what he was talking about. We did not, we did not pull them out. The calendar works the same every year. It does work the same every year. Spring, summer, fall.

23:57 It's warm or it's not. So when I heard that I thought... Winter, spring, summer or fall. Long way to go for a joke. Wow, yeah. Jeez. So that was just the worst debate ever. It was pretty bad. And then old Biden yucking it up and I'm surprised you know all Ryan had to do was stop and look at him while he was mugging and say to him What are you doing? What are you doing? What's wrong with your face? Why didn't he call him out and just stop and and or say something like are you done yet? He could have called him out as a little kid Yeah by just stopping and looking at him cuz he just had to see him cuz they way the table was set up He had to see him rolling his eyes and giving that big dumb smile laughing. Oh Yeah, all the rest of but he didn't do anything. He's just such a weenie. Yeah, I

24:58 Well, and it's interesting if who was I think Kraut Krautheimer Krauthammer. He said this you would hear that you would interpret this debate one way if you only read the transcript, you would interpret it another way. If you if you if you heard on on radio. Because of course you wouldn't see uh oh Biden making all the grimacing faces and laughing and yucking it up. And on television of course it was very I thought I found it to be very uncomfortable. You know it's one thing if you think somebody's lying um it's another thing to just you know keep smiling about it is creepy.

25:35 Just creepy. No, it's totally creepy. Creepy. But Lawrence O'Donnell, he's on the lean forward Obama channel. Yeah. MSNB Obama. MSDNC channel. MSNBC Obama channel. He has an idea. He knows how to fix all of this. He thinks we should change the rules of the debate. fifth

26:39 How crazy is this? Your lawyer whispered in your ear. It is not even slightly distracting to Senate debates to have a silent staff member sitting beside the senator, as you see every day on C-SPAN, handing the senator a document that will support what the senator is about to say. I used to be one of those people in the staff chair on the Senate floor or in hearings. This is nuts, and I'm telling you that they're really considering making this change. Because, oh, you know, you can't have somebody remembering, hey, why don't you just give the guy his teleprompter? Just put teleprompters. That'd be great.

27:15 Who needs to... Wait a minute, is he suggesting that everyone do what Bush did in the last debate and have that thing in his ear? Transmitter, the transmitter, exactly. Well, it goes even further. So is that what he wants? Obama, you said that he might have had one in the last debate. He wants to go even... Which would have made sense, that's why I had to keep looking down so I could listen to the guy. Like, hold on a second, I can't hear you. Larry here suggests even more. Some friends of mine who were watching on C-SPAN didn't even notice me. That's how invisible static can be in government but they are absolutely essential in government. The president is never alone with a decision and you would never want him to be. What is this? This guy's on drugs and he's not sharing and he's not sharing his drugs. It's just nuts. Meanwhile of course, Biden really made a big mistake and his biggest mistake was throwing Hillary Clinton under the bus.

28:18 You may or may not have caught this. I'm subscribing to the notion, I think you might be too, which is that Hillary is trying to derail the Obama re-election so she has a better shot at 2016. And so I think they're becoming aware of this. And they're fighting back. Yeah. So this is from the The press of course is completely complicit in this and they know their role. This was spokeshole Carney trying to defend his man versus the press saying, well, you know, how could Biden say that they didn't know more security had been requested even though he knew that security had been requested when he did the debate because that had already been out in testimony

29:15 in that four-hour testimony, but he's still saying, we didn't know, we didn't know, and Carney is basically saying it's Clinton's job. Jay, I wanted to ask you about Libya and the Vice President's response yesterday in the debate. Martha Raddatz mentioned to him that U.S. officials in Libya had asked for more security there, and the Vice President replied, well, we weren't told they wanted more security there, we did not know they wanted more security again. That wasn't the testimony at the oversight hearing on Wednesday though. Charlene Lamb conceded that she had refused requests for more security. So I'm wondering, what did the vice president mean? What did he mean by we? Did he mean the administration? Did he mean the White House? He was speaking directly for himself and for the president. He meant the White House. Oh, okay. Just want to make sure we understand that. These guys don't hear anything. We don't know anything. We just stood up here in our little White House.

30:10 Yeah, we didn't know about that. We get those guys talking in our ear, but I guess they don't talk loud enough. No. That's about all I had on the debate. I think that's enough. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree. And it means nothing. I guess there's the next debate. What is Tuesday? Tuesday is the next debate. Yep. It'll be interesting to see how Obama does on this one. We want to make predictions? Well, I think we predicted pretty well that old Biden was gonna bring up the 47% and he did yeah And you made some prediction that somebody on Twitter went crazy about saying you were unbelievably Visionary first coming up with something I am I am visionary. I am visionary. I tell you I see into the future well something happened and

30:59 And I'm not quite sure if... because here's what I think is going on. We have the Benghazi situation, of course, Benghazi Gate, as we're calling it now, Benghazi Gate. That is the meme we want to put out there, because this, of course, would be great to have this conversation during the next debate. So you can see the entire move, the push, like, oh, let's say they were lying, they were covering up, you know, this has got to come out to the forefront. of the debate on Tuesday. So that would be the Republican side. The Democratic side is trying to thwart that. And somehow, someone gave the wrong message to Al Zawahiri. Is he now the new number one in Al Qaeda or is he still number two?

31:50 I don't really keep a... I don't subscribe to Ring Magazine anymore, so I don't know where he sits in the world championship scale there. But he definitely has gotten the wrong memo. Tonight we're hearing from Al-Qaeda's leader for the first time since September 11th. In an audio posted to a website, Ayman al-Zawahiri urges Muslims to wage holy war against the US and Israel over... That's new. What? No. No? Never heard of such a thing. Don't step on it. I wage holy war against the US and Israel over that YouTube video that mocked the prophet Muhammad. What? What? He got the wrong script.

32:31 Now and now we know the guys on someone's payroll, but someone's not communicating properly Yeah, they're not getting his memos out round fast enough. How dumb is that? I know dude. It's me. I'm the idiot. Hey What are you saying? And even the fact that this report says on a site somewhere nondescript just on a site he said Yeah, and they never have the actual video. They just have some b-roll and just tell you what they think the guy said according to some kind of intelligence. But this is wrong. This is really stupid. So the video thing's on the back burner. So what do you think? I think that what's going to happen is I think the Democrats are maybe

33:20 Although I don't think Hillary thinks it's such a great idea because she's gonna take a lot of heat for this, but which isn't good But for her, I think there anything to get the conversation off the economy Oh, yeah with benefits to Democrats big deal. Well Yeah, but but the the Benghazi thing is is tough because I don't think the public cares at all Oh, I'm not going to argue whether the public cares, but I think the campaigns believe it matters. Yeah, I think they do, but I think they're wrong.

34:00 What does the public care about? They care about getting, you know, having a job, getting more money than they made last year. I mean, that's all the public cares about it. Right. And they're not making more money than they made last year, the year before, the year before. And they want to be able to sell and buy houses. They can't do that. The banks aren't lending money. I mean, those are the issues that the people care about. And they don't care about Benghazi. You know, you could go out in the street right now and interview a hundred people and I would say 99 of them would not even know where Benghazi is or they ever heard of it. You're probably right and the one guy would probably be wrong that you had something to say so what so are you saying that? Both candidates actually want to focus on On things other than the economy or no. No they were put though the Republicans are being suckered left and right and just focusing on the wrong Democrats just love that the Democrats love anything but talking about the economy right good point good point

34:58 So they'll be contrived to say mistakes were made, mistakes were made, it won't happen again, and we're moving our troops out of Afghanistan in 2014, and all foreign policy stuff. And the next debate, by the way, is about foreign policy, which means it's going to be really bad. It's going to be just dull. was about domestic policy and I what tell me remember the first debate no I don't know what was important I don't remember anything I don't remember a single thing they talked about. No I don't remember anything either. We did have a huge distraction they floated a little trial balloon they tried to do this again. Stay at home as well for staying with us for the next hour we do have to start tonight. Can't notice it's the MSNBC Obama channel again. With some breaking news we have some more details for you about the breaking news that is just in tonight. Breaking news

35:46 Breaking news, breaking news, more details on the breaking news. It's breaking news, John, now stand by, I gotta tell you it's... Woohoo! Breaking news, okay, Mad Cat, what is it? About this shot, this gunshot. Really? What? Really? That was national significance because someone was around a bullet. Hey, come to Oakland lady. National significance. Come to Oakland. Ladies and gentlemen, come to Oakland where the occupied people rammed the Obama campaign headquarters within they busted into the place and tore it up. How about that? They didn't cover that did they on MSNBC? It was not of national significance.

36:46 Yeah, it seems like it was to me, but no. No, a stray bullet. I think it was white supremacists. Well, I think the story would have been better if somebody put a swastika on it. No, swastikas are not for... No, we don't do... It could have been the Obama campaign. Nobody was hurt. That's because everyone was told the bullet's coming through. No, no, you see, the bullet went from the inside out. That's the way I see it. And they had the car, I didn't clip it, but they had the cops on. Normally in this type of story, the cop was like, you know, it was a nine millimeter, it was an AK-47, it was, you know, a getaway car, nothing of that. Just no one got hit.

37:30 That's it. That's all the cops are saying. No details. And of course, the story went nowhere. It was a trial balloon. They've done this before. We've seen this trying to distract it. That's the thing I'm still waiting for. Will there be another just because there's so there's such megalomaniacs there in the White House that they probably want to distract from the economy and from Benghazi. So they'll try and come up with something else to change the story. And I don't think they're going to. I don't think that I think they got a winner with this Benghazi thing. Okay, cuz it's you let up let us suck up all of all the cycles and screw it who cares interesting Which could which could also make us think that it was? It's always been in their interest from the get-go to have this Benghazi thing happen. Maybe they had to get rid of that guy Mm-hmm. I mean like Serpico

38:21 Explain the Serpico. Serpico the movie. Yeah. Serpico was a very famous police officer who was I guess in New York City or Jersey. I think it was New York. No, no, he was in New Jersey. He was a Jersey cop and he was like a straight, he was not corrupt. Yeah. And so he wouldn't take bribes, he wouldn't do all this stuff, but there was a known fact that a lot of drug dealing and all this stuff was going on. It was right under the police's watch because they were just taking money. But he wouldn't do it. And so one day he was sent off to some bus somewhere where he was supposed to have all this backup and nobody showed up. And it's like, hey, you're on your own, asshole. And so they almost killed him. Do you know where he lives now? Huh? You know where Frank Serpico lives now? Where? Amsterdam.

39:09 Oh, does he? Really? Yeah, he's laying low in Amsterdam. Yeah, people still want to kill him. Well, yeah, yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. So anyway, so this guy may have been in that boat, even though I still think it was a botched kidnapping, but there's all these possibilities. Anything that they're reporting, we just know that's wrong. So we have to just assume that, you know, any of these theories that are possibilities are probably one of them is more likely to be correct. Obviously they didn't send them to send any extra help there and this whole thing was in the dead of night I mean, oh, it's fishy from the get-go So I but I think it's a great distraction for them because it takes the public does not care at all We just care about eating and honey boo-boo

39:55 Hey, that's what that that has been banned from this Okay, no you can you can say the name honey boo boo I don't know but you know the voice is kicking everyone's ass so honey boo boo is It's just it's a honey boo boo is a reality show. They're on cable Yeah, so the voice isn't really competing with it duck dynasty is kicking honey boo boo's ass Oh duck dynasty is a winner Yeah Yeah, did you see the guy? No? No, no, I don't watch it. I got oh, no. There's a clip. They had the duck dynasty I think it was on the view or something. Oh, no. I got other things. I wish I had this clip. I saw it. I didn't They got the guy on the view is a big season and somebody asked Somebody somebody asked him. What is it that scares you and the guy goes on? Oh chlamydia

40:49 Really? So the guy's a comedian. Hey, let's thank our producers before we go any further. We've been yapping way too long Boy, do we have any producers? We bet well we luckily we got at instant night, which is a big deal. Oh, and And but generally speaking I would say this this particular show is quite light right and which is unfortunate but there you go, but so what happens meanwhile I'm downloading it

41:27 Oh really? Well I'm using Chrome and normally when I was using, we always used to automatically download but this, no I gotta click on something. Alright so we have one executive producer, our instant knight and one associate executive producer and that's it. So our instant knight is Sir, well will be, oh he's already a sir. Okay, well, it's a Ryan he's doubling down man Brian Bembrough sir Ryan Bembrough's in Everett Washington the thousand Yes, the Texas supposed to go with my donation every October My company has a giving campaign where they badger their employees into donating to a charity by the way I worked for Union Oil and they did that to us. It was like

42:13 And in fact he mentions who it was. Hold on one second. Okay. Since I can't stomach the thought of my hard tax dollars going to the United Way or the Clinton Foundation. I'm instead sending it to no agenda, though I don't expect a matching contribution from the company. The only thing I ask in return is some karma for Dame Lisa as she continues her battle with MS. With all the drugs the doctors have prescribed, this place is starting to feel like a Pfizer commercial. Alright, well we definitely will hand out some F the MS karma. You've got karma. Thank you very much for your donation. Now when I was working at Union Oil as a youngster, they had United Way, it was United Way, which is exactly what he says. They had yearly fundraising for God knows what, we never knew. And it was like you donated or, you know, because it was every, apparently every manager and my, I guess my supervisor had to make sure that they got X numbers of dollars or else.

43:13 Or else what? Oh, I don't know. Is this bonus or he wouldn't get a raise or they wouldn't talk to him again or he wouldn't be, they had to sit in the corner and he's just like, wash him out. Let me ask you this. Is this like a union thing? No, no, this was a non-union department. Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much, sir. Ryan. That is so incredibly nice of you and power to Dame Lisa there Thank you for doubling down on the best podcast in the universe. It really did help particularly today We knew it was gonna be light. So we're happy that you checked in. Thank you so much for supporting the show Thomas Weiler is our associate executive producer now becomes a knight with four hundred seven two hundred forty dollars and seventy nine cents and he's an Odor Dreyse Bach, which I believe is in Deutschland. Yeah

44:00 I reached him out of 10 11 12. I can't wait to get my precious ring I love and enjoy your podcast since day one is truly the best podcast in the universe and a big part of the daily commute The visa karma I asked for in 427 worked very well. I have a five and a half weeks in the USA this this summer Could you please send me some good luck karma for a new band? I'm with called 77 Bombay Street They're four talented brothers and it's big fun to work as a sound engineer and backliner for them. Check out their website, 77bombaystreet.com. Since a year ago I started listening to the Joe Rogan show as well. I think Adam, you should get on that show as a guest. He tries. If you could send my karma hot milf little girl, stay zito shavo jingle. I love you guys, Thomas Weiler, aka Weilesau.

44:55 Oh, he's in Swiss. He's in Switzerland. Oh, so let me see. How does he want this? Ober Dreisbach, Swiss. He wants one hot milf, little girl. So that's the... Okay, shut up, slave. Okay, let me see if I can do this. I'm sure we can one way or the other. Milf. That's one mother I'd like to... Shut up, slave! Stalkito, scowl! You've got karma. Nailed it. That was good. Anyway, that concludes our producer segment, unfortunately, for this show. 4-5-2 and we will probably hopefully pick up a little bit of steam on the next show as we approach

45:38 the fifth anniversary which is on October 26th. Big deal. This is mine. It's a big deal. Five years of doing this deconstruction. Five years. And still nobody can come close to what we do. And we never had a fight. And we still, we've had a couple fights. And we still have people that say I don't know these guys are crazy. Yeah, crazy and all we do is read the bills and we tell what's in the bill that somebody else has fallen all over themselves about and we say look here's what it's really about. How's that crazy? All you do is a little homework, which is a term I don't like. Some people call it, what's the word? Oh, journalism, that's it.

46:25 Actually looking at things, you know, looking at indictments, reading through them, watching C-SPAN, seeing what people actually say, recording what they say and then calling them on it, finding that Joe Biden says he didn't vote for the two wars on a credit card. Of course he did. He did. Yeah. I got some of that stuff. I've done some government legislation analysis today. Yeah, oh yeah, I got a doozy for you. The only thing I came up with, I was hoping to find some good stuff with those Russians down in Houston there that were indicted as spies. Oh, let me talk, hold on a second. First, the reminder for everyone, we have the 55-55 donation level for our fifth anniversary October 26th. So please go to... Devorak.org slash N-A-M-E. And if there's nothing for you to donate so far, it's okay, because you can always go out and propagate our formula. Our formula is this.

47:16 We go out, we hit people in the mouth. I am receiving information on this. Now who do we know in the Dallas area who's Russian? Who? Sergii Neftuliev. Oh, I didn't know he was in Dallas. Yeah.

47:52 And he, dude, he, I don't know which agency he works for, but he was responsible for this takedown one way or the other. I know he was involved in it. This is what he does. And if you ever meet the guy, I hope you do, you'll be like, okay, no doubt. Yeah. It was one of those guys you meet. Let me, let me, let me give you a clue about it now. He lives alone with his pet Python. Are you getting a picture of some gene there? Okay? Yes is he tall short thin heavy? You don't want to you don't want to bump into him in a dark alley. Let's put it that way He's a sweetheart though, and don't get me wrong total sweetheart Yeah, just just don't be rushing on the wrong side of him that would be kind of bad So I ran into a legal blog export export bull x

48:51 Export law blog or something like that expert the guys like he says this is a bunch of bullcrap this Indictment because they're mostly nailing these guys for not registering as foreign agents which all spies have to do yeah, but no Yeah, no, that's true. You know I know if every country now you look no no this guy explained something I didn't okay, okay? Let me just make sure that we have an understanding here that that I have no knowledge of this and that each country has agents and they have to register and of course they have unregistered agents but the idea is all your agents are supposed to be registered that is the general Geneva Convention law. No. Okay, all right I don't know what I'm talking about I have no family history.

49:39 The way this is, if you look at it, I'd have to go find that post. But the reason for registering, it's not because he's... This is not, you're wrong. Okay, I'm wrong. All right, I'm wrong. The thing was in the 30s when they came up with this registering as a foreign agent, it was to keep propagandists out of Washington DC. It wasn't for export guys because if you're exporting to a foreign country, which everybody does Caterpillar they'd be the way this indictment went down is it's to say as if okay if he has to be if they have to register as foreign agents for exporting processor to I didn't even by the way there was no processor chips involved it was it was memory chips and Dda converters, that's all they were said and by the way to the tune of 50 million dollars since 2008 why now

50:29 was this bust taking place. Now I looked up all the parts to see what they were exporting and yes, they were militarized. So... Isn't that your answer right there then? Because they were militarized? Well... We're in a proxy war with Russia. I mean, I think we agree with this. Yeah, but I think because they've been shipping parts since 2008 that they come up out of the blue and bust these guys. I think it is part of the proxy war. Yes. It's like, hey, we got an idea. Hey, you know, because for one thing, you could take a look at the bag of parts and you could it looks to me as though these were shipping stuff for testing because there were too many different DDA converters. It's not like how many of these things do you need? I mean, it was like they have shipping.

51:18 But buckets full of one type, there was all these different ones. And what is a DD? So that's digital to analog converter? What would that be used for? Well, you use it for like if you have a fin that you have to move on a missile, you know, the Oh, one of those digital information that has to be turned into a gear and you know has to move it around Okay, I got like that that kind of thing. Oh, yeah, all right So that you need a D-Day converters a lot of D-Day a converters And then they had all the memory chips that they were ordering were all militarized in other words They were the hardened type of memory that has right and work under extreme conditions, right? but you know

51:59 Yeah, the bag of parts looks pretty sketchy, but there's been doing it since 2008 and they've been doing like a big business this whole family a bunch of these people so I think it's part of the whole thing is I wouldn't be surprised if they got off eventually but meanwhile The indictment wants to confiscate everything. They have all their bank accounts listed, they're taking all their money. They have all their houses and all their offices listed, they're taking all that. You know the way they operate? Yeah, of course. They're just taking everything. Of course. Hey, we're taking your stuff. Oh, you gotta love it. Anyway, there is a report that I have on the clips that came from where I figured if I'm gonna get a clip about this I'm gonna get the Russia today clip because that'll be the most slanted You can play that and it gives the people a background on what we're talking about I don't have one specifically the only one that says Russia today is Turkey. So you have to know there's another clip It's something labeled very clearly. I'm sure now. Let's see. Let's see. I'm turkey salt was unique and

53:02 New Russian spies, how about that one? That would make it. Yeah, okay, it's so clearly RT. of military technology. The foreign ministry is suggesting that these four Russians are being put under extreme psychological and moral pressure in order to get them to sign confessions. The foreign ministry is also wanting a review of the decision to deny these four Russian citizens bail. It has taken the media by storm a little bit. It has been all over the media that this is some kind of spy scandal. This is dismissed by the Foreign Ministry. They say all you have to do is look at the charges that have been levelled against these four Russian citizens. They're criminal charges. The families of these Russian citizens have been expressing concern over the way that they're being treated while they're in custody.

53:53 has been suggestions that they're being forced to sleep on the floor, that they're in very crowded cells. These four Russian citizens were picked up on the 3rd of October as part of a group of 11 people that the FBI wanted to speak to in connection with the export of high-tech technology from the United States to Russia. It's believed that technology has a potential military use. They were picked up in Houston, in Texas. Over the next few days they're going to be moved to New York where the first hearings on this case will be heard next week. Do you think they couldn't make it clear that they were citizens any more than they already did? There's that and of course they left out the waterboarding part which may have taken place. Yeah.

54:38 So yeah, no, this is part of whatever scheme, whatever, this is getting worse by the minute, this action between the United States and Russia. And it's becoming very clear how nasty it's getting because Russia today has its own channel now, by the way, an old network on the dish. And it's all really, they've cranked up the propaganda. I mean, it's really propagandistic, much more than it was a year ago. But I think in general you can say that about everything on cable. We have RT is completely pro-Russia, screw America, and they hammer on all the things we like, I have to say. NDAA, drones, there's essentially, I mean, we could work for the Russians in that regard. Yeah, you know, it's what bothers me. Yeah, then we have MSNBC.

55:27 MSNBC Obama Channel, they're not even apologizing for it. No, and if you get that idiot Ed Schultz, that guy goes crazy. You know, he just screams and he rants about how evil the Republicans are. He's a horrible person. There was something I caught on Current, which, and I had to do a little bit of research and it wasn't all that hard. Who do you think Current is working for? I mean, besides for Al Gore. But who do you think they're representing? Because they must represent, they can't just be completely, when you hear the report. They're not an Obama, they have some of the old Obama bot people from MSNBC, so we know that they're on that side of things. But I would say more Hillary.

56:13 I'm going to say it may be more Obama than you think. Listen to this report and then I did a little bit of deconstruction of it and we'll see where this is all coming from. First time ever warehouse employees at Walmart stores are walking out and striking. And this is a very big deal because we've heard a lot of drama with Walmart. You know, they refuse to unionize their workers. They refuse to pay them a fair wage for their hard work. And a lot of employees are now so tired of it that they're willing to risk their jobs to walk out and do the strike. Okay, so... Can I say something first? Yeah, yeah. Walmart

56:54 isn't refusing to unionize their workers. Thank you. Yep, that's a good point. You're catching on. Why would they throw that in there? Oh, they're refusing to unionize? No. The workers themselves have to create a situation where they can take a ballot and then decide to unionize and then a bunch of laws fall into place. There's no company that refuses to unionize their workers or wants to unionize their workers unless it's corrupt. So that is the first clue. So, you know, they're asking for something very simple. For instance, there's one employee who's been there. He's striking. He's been there for three years and he's still making a little over $8.00, $8.90 an hour. Okay. And he's working in the produce section. By the way, that's what I make at MeVeo. They're not

57:42 Giving these employees what they need to survive despite the fact that they are massively profitable so This is disguised as news. I don't know who this woman is but now chunks gonna come in and chunk has some facts it's multi-city strike for the first time in walmart's history in the last fifty years and one of the original strikes that began this was uh... in a place for subcontractors as they were doing business with the factory got to be a hundred and twenty degrees so the two things they were asking for They weren't asking for like great benefits or even increased salaries. They wanted ceiling fans because it was 120 degrees in there and they wanted shin guards because those heavy carts they were pushing around kept running into their shins and they were getting hurt. Okay, so let's just revisit what we've heard here. Walmart evil. Evil, evil, evil Walmart. They won't let their workers unionize. All they wanted were some ceiling fans and some shin guards.

58:44 So I start to research who is organizing this strike. This is an outfit called R. Walmart. If you go to forrespect.org, John, F-O-R-R-E-S-P-E-C-T. F-O-R-R-R-E-S-P-E-C-T! forrespect.org. Our Walmart, organization united for respect at Walmart about us, our Walmart vision. We envision a future in which our company treats us, the associates of Walmart, with respect and dignity. We envision a world where we succeed in our careers, our company succeeds in business, our customers receive great service and value, blah blah blah blah blah. So I'm looking, you know, who is this organization?

59:32 And all it says is organization united for respected Walmart independent not-for-profit organization for hourly Associates our organization is not affiliated with Walmart stores Inc etc etc So I do a little who is on them which by the way a chunk could have done with his TV station there That woman could have done that. Yeah, he's got he's got he's got cameras and people running around yeah, I Now let's see. And staff, he's got staff. It is the organization United for Respect at Walmart. They are located at, I mean, for just a bunch of people who just like, you know, we're workers, we're, you know, evil Walmart, we're going to strike. It's a multi-state strike by the way. It's funny they have an office at 1775 K Street Northwest in the District of Columbia. That would be the lobbyist street. And this is registered, this domain name, this forrespect.org by certain

1:00:23 woneil at ufcw.org Oh my! What is the UFCW, John? I don't know offhand. United Food and Commercial Workers International Union. Hello! Okay, that makes sense. It's the union people! It's the union people! Yeah, but they're pretending these people on Current TV... Oh, they're pretending to be grassroots. So this is a... Exactly. It's a hijack. Well, no, it's a... what do you call it? Astro-turf. Astro-turfing. Okay. So who is Current TV working for? They can't be completely stupid.

1:01:03 I mean this is so see instead of the report should be well looks like Walmart is trying to unionize and here's who's helping them with it through this front organization called for respect org our Walmart this is not a not a tough story to bring and I think it's actually quite exciting to see you know this is we know that wall that's actually more interesting than this yes they're telling yes thank you Because you know these union guys are trying yeah at this because if they could unionize a few Walmart's these guys that you have whatever they are the UFC WM yeah, they would have that means a bonanza in union dues Thank you, and where does that go to?

1:01:41 It goes right to them paying for that expensive office at 775-1775 K Street. Yeah, but we also know that... I'm looking at it now on the Google thing. You can go down now and you can go right down on the street and look at it. Can you go in? Do they have an inside on the Googles? Not yet, but they have one. But they're building them up. I think it's one of those where you go inside and there has a guy with a big hand saying you can't go any further. Right. But of course Obama is is backed by the Union. So this is why I think Current TV is still somehow shilling for Obama Well, I know chan chunk is a big Obama bot so that's uh, what is his real name? I don't know as a I don't know as a chink chink Greek chink chunk is easier. I hear it. Here's a

1:02:36 Looking at our elites of the world. This was very very funny, so We arrested one banker. I think and not even really for screwing the the world economy But this was the the Indian guy the the Gupta guy who got nailed for insider trading. Oh, yeah Yeah, I think he was a fall guy, but anyway well now the elites Are coming out and because you know of course he's gonna get sentenced because he got nailed for for insider trading. Here's a quote from Kofi Annan. Kofi Annan is the guy who fights for justice, who actually gave up, but he was fighting for justice in Syria. Kofi Annan says to the judge, I urge you to recognize Rajat for the good that he has done in this world, to give him the credit that he deserves for helping others and to take into account his effort to improve the lives of millions of people.

1:03:32 Okay, what yeah, that's Kofi Annan, but who's next Bill Gates checks in I Wanted to add my voice to those of other friends and colleagues of Rajat Gupta who are writing to you in order to round out Rajat's profile He says he's you know he's he's on the board of the the Billion Melinda Gates Foundation so Bill Gates is in there shilling for him and We as a society need more visionaries like Rajat Gupta. Rajat Gupta is no threat to anyone inside or outside the prison fence. Neither is any other insider trader. Yeah, and you know what? It might just work. These elite a-holes, they all stick up for each other. That's pretty wild. You should denounce your Windows machine. You should throw it out the window right now. So, it reminds me of these people coming out of the woodwork, it reminds me of that Kenneth Bunkport hooker.

1:04:32 Am I missing a clip? No, I don't have it. I have the link. You know the story though, right? I have the link in the show notes. I didn't look at it because I figured it would... you rarely send me a link, so I just put it in there. I didn't look at it. Tell me the story. Well, there's a hooker who ran a... I guess she was a personal trainer or she ran a yoga studio or something in Kennebunkport. That's a busted her can a bar prostitution isn't that where the where the Kennedy's had the compound that's Or this may be a kind of bunk. It's not kind of bunk porch. It's kind of bunk It's right next door. It's the other side of the tracks where the hookers are And I guess she was screwing everybody the other side of the bridge is that possible? Anyway she was I guess and she apparently had the bad habit of filming everything oh and

1:05:27 So she has all these tapes. I hate it when my hookers do that. Of all these guys. And the thing goes on and I thought I had a clip. Oh, actually, I remember where the clip went. I don't have it on my list here. But there's a report I had. I took it from the YouTube. Anyway, the... They're making a big stink about this because she apparently has a black book with all the stuff, people's names. But I'm watching this report and they're going on and on and on and on and on and on and then they said, yeah, she's been, you know, she's indicted. It's a misdemeanor in the town. So this is like nationwide breaking news and it's a crappy misdemeanor.

1:06:06 Yet, but this is not a good idea to have black books and videotapes and tell people about it This is usually how you wind up suicided She was an idiot, but not a good plan at all this is but I'm reminded of that with this Why are these guys coming out of the woodwork to defend Gupta? You know when they should probably stay you know staying away from it because it sounds to me as though they've got something to do with insider trading mm-hmm Oh right. Oh They're worried that he might blow the whistle on them. So they're like, yeah, my buddy Gupta. Come on, man. Go easy on him Once they flip a guy like that, let's face it. He's not the only guy now doing illegal trades Oh, you're right, and he must know everybody in their sister And so now these guys are getting on his good side. It seems to me. That's the only reason that's what the hooker This is just what happens with the hooker

1:07:00 You know, the judge lets her off. Why? Oh, well, gee, Judge, lift up them robes. Let's see if we can get a match. Wow. So anyway. Okay. Well, Rajat is cruising for freedom and the hooker is cruising for an unfortunate lead poisoning at high velocity. She is. Wow. I don't know what she... She barely taped all of her encounters. That is so not smart. Yeah. And they have the tapes, so now it's evidence against her. The whole thing's a disaster. Well, maybe now would be time for me to sit down and well actually I'd like to continue our celebration John. Our celebration of National Cyber Security Awareness Month. Oh, that's right. It does not stop. It started the beginning of October. I took part today. I took part today. Oh yeah, what did you do to celebrate National Cyber Security Awareness? I upgraded Avast. Avast?

1:08:01 Yes, one of the one of the is the current anti-virus software free free anti-virus software. Oh, it comes up. Bing! Your vest needs to be upgraded. Yes, no. So you're guaranteed they can spy on you now. That's good. Good. Good job. I always make sure there's a backdoor. Well, every everybody is celebrating along with us. CNN. if Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is sounding the alarm. Yes, and of course, CNN and the Wall Street Journal, we cannot leave out CNBC, also celebrating Cybersecurity Awareness Month. Wells Fargo, America's fourth largest bank, has been hit with a cyber attack. The bank says no major damage was done to their accounts. U.S. officials are now saying Iran and others are now repairing a cyber attack on the U.S.

1:09:03 Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta suggested a Pearl Harbor type threat and he laid out his worst case scenarios. So I pulled a number of clips from this speech that Leon Panetta gave in New York on the Intrepid before the Business Enterprise Organization. And I think some of them are a couple minutes. Would you like to go through these? Because his whole speech was 40 minutes in total. I've been able to boil it down. But I think what he was saying is so incredibly important so that we understand just how screwed we are as freedom fighters on the Internet. You and I are going to be off the air very, very soon. I wouldn't be surprised.

1:09:51 The first thing that I found very interesting was Panetta's connection to 9-11, which I didn't even know there was one. "...a strong national defense is all about, and you understand that a strong national defense and a strong economy go hand in hand." Let me see, is that the one I was looking for? I think so. "...with that in mind, tonight I'd like to discuss with you an issue..." Oh no, I'm sorry. uh... i will just listen to this one i have no idea what were the clipboard that i think is at the very nexus of business and national security the threats facing the united states in cyber space and the role of the defense department must play in defending this country from those kinds of threats we're on an aircraft carrier a famous and great aircraft carrier

1:10:54 And it's a fitting and appropriate venue to have this discussion. This ship and the technology that's on display at this museum attest to one of the central achievements of the United States in the 20th century. You know what's so horrible about this guy when he talks? He takes so long to get the words out. Now when you use audacity you can crank it up and you can speed him up. It's it's it's annoying, but therefore it was easy to edit well so far You didn't edit that part out, and it's pretty dull. Yeah, well then let's go to exciting bit But even more alarming is an attack that happened two months ago when a very sophisticated virus called shamoon shamoon have we heard of the shamoon virus John I

1:11:52 I don't know, it doesn't ring a bell. Did your vast update for the Shamoon virus, my friend? Ha ha ha! I don't think so. Listen to what this virus can do. It can destroy you. Infected computers in the Saudi Arabian state oil company Aramco. Shamoon included a routine called a wiper. Oh, a wiper. A wiper. Not a folder, not a scruncher, but a wiper. coded to self-execute. This routine replaced crucial systems files with an image of a burning US flag. Okay, let me just get this straight.

1:12:40 So it placed JPEGs on your, instead of your registry or something? I mean, I don't know. Let's listen some more. How do you spell this virus? Shamoon! Now you can look it up in the book of knowledge. It is exactly his description. S-H-A-M-O-O-N. Which is S-H-A-S-H-A-M-O-O-N. Now listen, when you read the Wikipedia, you'll hear exactly his description. But it also put additional garbage data. Oh, garbage data! That overwrote all the real data on the machine. This guy should be teaching IT. More than 30,000 computers that it infected were rendered useless and had to be replaced. Now, that's bullcrap. That's bullcrap. That's bullcrap. That's bullcrap.

1:13:41 What? Yeah, no, no, but wait, but wait, now remember who he's talking to. He's talking to business enterprise executives. So of course, first you say, oh my God, it had, it blew up 30,000 computers. It virtually destroyed 30,000 computers. I said it virtually destroyed 30,000 computers. Then just days after this incident, there was a similar attack on Ras Gass of Qatar. a major energy company in the region. All told, the Shamoon virus was probably the most destructive attack that the private sector has seen to date. Okay. Really? Now wait for the scary bit. Imagine the impact an attack like that would have on your company. You a-hole!

1:14:37 First you lie about how the computers were trashed and then imagine if that happened to your company. Imagine if that happened. So this goes on and on and on. You can see in the Wikipedia it is literally the same example of the 30,000. It's a relatively new article. Yeah, so whatever Shamu virus. Okay fine. So what do we need? What do we need for all this? We need new rules. Hold on a second. Let me tell you the... I'm looking at the great thing about Wikipedia now is that you can look at the history of the article. And AT&T is the most recent editor. Someone at the AT&T abuse center. This thing started showing up in August 19th of this year.

1:15:27 with just two people, Newmos and Thorwald, they're discussing it here. It's shills, obviously. Of course it's bullcrap. So what do we need, John? What do we need to take action? What do we need? What do we need? What do we need? I don't know, but using 30,000 machines, oh. We need new rules. Responding to the cyber threat requires the right policies and organizations across the federal government. For the past year, the Department of Defense has been working very closely with other agencies

1:16:06 to understand where are the lines of responsibility when it comes to cyber defense. Where do we draw those lines? And how do those responsibilities get executed? As part of that effort, the department is now finalizing the most comprehensive change to our rules of engagement in cyberspace in seven years. Okay, so we don't know what the rules are yet. But this is what's happening. We're changing the rules, the most significant change in seven years. We're in the process, no worries, we're getting there. Now, of course, the Department of Defense also has a role. It is a supporting role, but it is an essential role. And tonight I want to explain what that means. Thank you. But first let me make clear what it does not mean.

1:17:03 It does not mean the Department of Defense. Do you notice that he stumbles every single time he's trying to say Department of Defense? He says Department of Depends. Yeah, he seems to have trouble saying defense. It's clear what it does not mean. Department. He's always saying department. It does not mean that the Department of Defense will monitor citizens' personal computers. Oh no, of course not! Hey citizen! No, not at all! Hey citizen, we won't monitor your personal email!

1:17:39 We're not interested in personal communication. Oh, no, of course not. Or in emails. No. Or in providing the day-to-day security of private and commercial networks. Like Vast. That is not our goal. That is not our job. That is not our mission. Oh, goodie. Whose job is it? Well, the mission is, of course... The way he says it, he says it assumes that the way... You have to assume the way he made that phrase, that somebody's job is not his, though. Whose job is it to monitor our email? The commercial companies, that's what he's leading up to. He's leading up to saying it is your job to do that. It's to defend the nation. Defend the nation. We defend, we deter,

1:18:24 and have called upon we take decisive action to protect our citizens. In the past we have done so through operations on land and at sea, in the skies and in space. And now? In this century the United States military must help defend the nation in cyberspace as well. Yeah. If a foreign adversary attack US soil, the American people have every right to expect their national defense forces to respond. So it's kind of interesting that we're being, we're under attack right now because I heard it on CNN and CNBC. So we are under attack. So at any moment, Leon Panetti will don his Tron cyber suit and come to our rescue. How can you help companies? Ultimately no one.

1:19:20 has a greater interest in cyber security than the businesses that depend on a safe, secure and resilient global digital infrastructure. Particularly those who operate the critical networks that we must help defend. To defend those networks more effectively, we must share information between the government and the private sector about threats in cyberspace. We've made real progress in sharing information with the private sector. Yeah, just go look on 2nd Street in San Francisco or just look up Echelon or wiretapping without warrants. We've made some real progress. But very frankly we need Congress to act to ensure that this sharing is timely and comprehensive. Companies should be able to share specific threat information with the government.

1:20:20 without the prospect of lawsuits hanging over their heads. Ah, here we go. There it is! There it is! And a key principle must be to protect the fundamental liberties and privacy in cyberspace that we are all duty-bound to uphold. What could possibly go wrong? The fact is that to fully provide the necessary protection in our democracy, cyber security legislation must be passed by the Congress. Without it, we are and we will be vulnerable. And then of course we've got to wrap the whole thing up. I really put the fear of God into you while you're on an aircraft carrier in New York. Before September 11, 2001,

1:21:08 The warning signs were there. We weren't organized, we weren't ready, and we suffered terribly for that lack of attention. We cannot let that happen again. This is pre-9-11 moment. Yeah, let's clap for that. Pre-9-11. Lovely. Pre-9-11. The attackers are plotting. Our systems will never be impenetrable.

1:21:46 just like our physical defenses are not perfect. But more can be done to improve them. We need Congress and we need all of you to help in that effort. I want you to know the Department of Defense is doing our part. Yeah, right. So there you go pre 9-11. This is a Pearl Harbor event pearl spelled P E R L So you should read my column cyber war bring it on in October 12th PC magazine people out there Oh great where I discuss this exact topic. Yeah, and I have a couple good lines in here one is

1:22:30 Now, according to the government officials, we have again a threat looming over our heads. This time it's a form of cyber terrorism. Never mind that the terrorists who we managed to identify tend to be living in mud huts in Waziristan where they enjoy blasting them left and right with drone strikes. As far as I know, these folks and their dirt roads do not sit on any OC-768 fiber network. Even if they have a phone line, it would be a miracle exactly how they can manage to get the skills necessary to develop complex cyber attacks is beyond me Did you did you you should have added in there didn't our government just tell us that Iran was? Was disconnecting the entire country from the internet in the column. Oh good good I mean you can't have it both ways there is Iran or Iran who by the way in the in the debates It's interesting that

1:23:21 that Ryan pronounced it Iran correctly, the host pronounced it Iran correctly, and Biden pronounced it Iran. He's not in the loop. He's not in the loop. But here's where I was leading up to. This is some legislation, unless you want to read more from your column, which I always enjoy. Yeah, but people should go get this column and they get a point here. I brought everybody. Is there a free decoder ring if you read the column? Is there something? No, they learn something. So I have the latest draft document of CleanIT, the Clean IT which is now circulating through the European Union. We read this legislation earlier, the August briefing.

1:24:05 And I have now come into possession of the most recent update. It is the CleanIT project. This is from the European Union. There's a link in the show notes at 452.nashownotes.com. You can see the entire CleanIT site. This, of course, this document is not listed there because it is confidential, not for publication, limited distribution. The recipient may share this document only with others within their organization on a need-to-know basis. Now the fact that I am in possession of this probably means that it's being floated to see what the response will be. It's being purposely leaked. Yes, it is being leaked. I would like to read you some of the recommendations that will be a part of the legislation of the European Union as it pertains to terrorism, illegal activities and the Internet.

1:24:54 Are you ready? No. Okay, so they'll lead in the European Commission. will be approached to consider finding a European organization that will adopt the results of the Clean IT, continue its activities and host a new European public-private dialogue and cooperation format to reduce terrorist use of the Internet. So what they're doing here is they're pitching for regulation and of course another government body that will regulate your Internet freedoms. And in Europe it is the European Commission who does this. They have all the power. These are the non-elected elites who run the show.

1:25:31 So let's just run through a couple of things of what this will... Oh, by the way, governments that commit to this document will start the National Clean IT Cooperation format within half a year. So this is six months from now, John. We could be off air within six months, and I'll tell you why. Listen to what's going on here. Under the legal framework, Internet companies must be obliged by law to provide LEAs, that's law enforcement agencies, but I'll just call them LEAs from now on because they use it throughout the entire document. With all necessary customer information for investigations of terrorist use of the internet, it must be legal for police officers to patrol on social media. This includes having a profile, joining user groups, sending and receiving messages on the platform. So we're going to have cops on the social media. Oh, this is a cop job I wouldn't mind having. Well, stand by. Hey, I'm going to be on patrol today. I'll be on Twitter.

1:26:25 I need a break. I'm on patrol. Yeah, I gotta take a break from Twitter. I'm gonna go. I'll see you guys at lunch. I'm gonna be out. Yeah, this afternoon I'm gonna be patrolling Facebook if you know what I mean. And then I'm gonna go patrol Friend Finder if you know what I mean. I got a camera. Gotta check on everybody. Gotta check on the terrorists. Okay, knowingly providing hyperlinks on websites to terrorist content must be defined by law as illegal. Let me repeat that. Yes, please repeat that. That was a good one. Knowingly providing hyperlinks on websites to terrorist content must be defined by law as illegal.

1:27:08 Of course, really what is terrorist content? Is that of course? There you go terrorist content States mustn't states and that that means of course the the member states of the European Union countries must make clear that original terrorist content and terrorist activities on the internet of people and organizations are is illegal and should not be allowed on internet company platforms. And the platforms is the thing that becomes very interesting because we're going to explain what that means. I love this. Judges, public prosecutors and specialized police officers must be legally allowed to order by means of a notice and take action procedure to remove terrorist content from the internet. So that doesn't mean you're going to have a trial.

1:27:57 I mean specialized police officers can go, let's remove this from the internet. This is terrorist content, let's get rid of it. Governments must have LEAs or intelligence agencies monitor terrorist use of the internet, but only monitor specific threats, not primarily the population as a whole or all internet use. Again, what could possibly go wrong with that? Governments have clear policies on intelligence gathering and when to take action against terrorists, radicalizing content on the Internet. So now it's radicalizing content that they will be policing. Governments must have specialized police officers patrol on social media. There it is again. Governments must disseminate lists of domain names that are not allowed to be registered to prevent terrorist propaganda.

1:28:49 So what would that be? Like, I don't know, noagendershow.com? No agenda, that's got a very nebulous. It's propaganda man. It's to prevent terrorist propaganda. This is so open for interpretation. Governments must subsidize competent NGOs as non-governmental organizations. That's going to have to be us. Exactly. That substantially contribute to reducing terrorist use on the internet and radicalize. That's what we're up. That's exactly what the no agenda shows all about. But then we have to become a registered NGO. Yeah. Okay, well there's money in it for us. I'm telling you there's big money in it for us. Yeah, I mean I don't have a problem with this. Okay, um let me skip down to the next bit here. And by the way we also consider Hillary a terrorist. Yes, and just saying this is enough to get us kicked off. Now we have to implement flagging and reporting button systems.

1:29:46 Flagging slash report button systems must be implemented by provider everywhere. Ah, yes blog. Well, yes, I'll tell you This has to happen on the following providers of chat boxes email services messaging system social networks retailing sites voice over internet protocol web forums must all have flagging systems web forums I Now it's dumb. It gets better. The anonymity of the... Hey, boing boing. Yeah. The anonymity of the reporter must be preserved. Reporter details must... Wait a minute, this is contradictory because there's other laws saying you can't have anonymity. What's the deal? Let me finish the sentence. Reporter details must never be shown to content owners. In other words, you can just go rat on people and you're never gonna have any repercussions because you know you'll be protected.

1:30:42 You'll be protected by ratting someone out. I'm ratting out the New York Times. Specialized NGOs should actively flagged illegal terrorist content. Oh my god, John. Can you imagine just sitting around all day just clicking flagging stuff? All day. I don't like this guy's face, dick. And it gets better. Internet companies could extend a higher credibility status to trusted flagging organizations. Ooh, trusted flaggers! I'm a trusted flagger. Wanna see my flag? We'll have the brown shirts in cyberspace. I don't know about your flag, but I wouldn't mind seeing your pole. I know. Voice over IP services, it must be possible to flag users for terrorist activity. How can you do that? Unless you're listening in. If messaging systems are attached, it must also be possible to flag specific messages.

1:31:36 Some voice over IP technologies allow for conversations to be flagged. Yeah, I guess that's what Skype's doing. That's why they're sucking so bad. Yeah, too many flags clogging up the bandwidth. Internet companies offering users the opportunity to create their own subgroups. should make flagging reporting buttons available on these subgroups and for the... This is ridiculous. Now you're getting me mad. Now there's a column in this. This is my Monday column. PC Magazine how stupid this is. You can't have every blog and every comment stream and everything else have a flagging button that goes to the government. Hold on. And for the moderators to remove content. So we need to have Nazis... That's what moderators can do already. Yeah. Nazis.

1:32:22 Moderators moderate for a reason. Is it terrorism if somebody comes on the blog and says you suck? Well this is interesting because I'm glad you asked me that question. They're terrorizing me. Here it is. So now they're calling for this advisory organization which will determine all of these things. This is the Ministry of Appropriate Freedoms. The organization will provide research and advice on terrorist and other content which is recognized as dangerous throughout the EU and in each individual country. They would be, the organization should provide advice on legislation and jurisprudence, academic work on the subject, material that can be researched and used for machine learning,

1:33:14 Known terrorist and extremist content and here it comes hate speech So that's where you're going to get kicked off the interwebs is because of your hate speech because you said something hateful you bullied somebody And by the way, if you're going to join one of the NGOs, the Nazi group organizations, it states here specifically governments, legal law enforcement agencies, NGOs and internet companies could employ or use former terrorists and victims to reduce radicalization online. So there's a gig in it for you. So we can flip you. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:34:06 So, let's see, I had one more thing. Referral units. What are you reading from again? Why don't you remind me? This is the Clean IT, Clean It, September 2012 document for best practices and permanent dialogue. And this came from? From the interwebs. No, I mean it came from the EU or who's the author? This is the... I'll give you the website. Hold on a second. It is... Here it is. Come on, mouse. The URL is cleanitproject.eu and they have the August up there, the August draft. This is September.

1:35:00 This is reduced so the most recent article on the clean IT is reducing the impact of terrorist use of the internet and so September is not published officially. Now interestingly enough this is... How does this differ from the August? Did you do a comparison? Yeah, the August one is just like a terrorist you know using the internet whatever. Radicalizing. No, no. This has specific rules and regulations they're laying out here. You sure this wasn't just planted and it's bullcrap and it never will appear in the real document? No, because the last time I got one it was published a few weeks later. Okay. Internet companies must only ask customers' users to identify themselves with real names. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

1:36:00 How can you, what are the cops doing? Are they going to be patrolling the Facebook and the Twitter and the Friend Finder and all the rest of these things? Are they going to be using their real names? The office Sergeant John Jenkins? Well, I'm glad you asked that. We have the heading Virtual Community Policing. Let me read you some, and this by the way is all marked up in the show notes. You can download the PDF. Virtual community policing must be used to find and connect to persons in danger of being radicalized. There's a whole bunch of... We could just arrest them and throw them in the slammer like we normally do. Virtual police officers should be... Oh hey, I got a better idea. Why don't we find these people and then trick them into pushing a button that says there's a bomb blowing up a building? That would be a good... well... virtual... Are we doing most of the radicalization ourselves? I mean... Well... Just cutting out the middleman thing, it doesn't make sense. Then I'll jump straight to point eight.

1:36:55 Virtual police officers should become members in extremist and terrorist fora as much as possible, subscribing to news, mailing lists, alerts, etc. to be able to detect any terrorist content or activity. It's saying it right there! The virtual police officers have to join the terrorist forums, which they call fora, subscribe to the news lists and mailing lists, I guess get involved in the community so you can then go bust people. Hmm. Virtual police officers on the other hand should be easily recognizable, make clear they are real policemen, and use their real photos, names, and various ways to contact them. What?

1:37:39 Virtual police officers should use- That's not gonna work. Virtual police officers should use easy to understand popular language, friendly icons, and profile photographs in order to lower the threshold of being contacted and in order to be effective in combination with the younger users of social media. Wuzzup? Yo, brah. Yo, bro. Wuzzup? Wuzzup? Youse guys. Anyone lead around here So this is what's coming and you know, what's gonna happen? This is exactly what this is. You know, there's no stopping this and this is also going to be used for Intellectual property. Yeah, this is going to be used to curb your free speech which you already don't have certainly not in Europe and

1:38:34 Because then you might be practicing hate speech. No, I hate speech. I hate hate hate you suck Now here in the United you suck hate speech, it's totally hate speech Yeah here in a Gitmo nation proper AT&T has now announced that in November they will start on their u-verse with these six strikes and you're out policy and It looks like everyone else is joining in on this. I So if you download, yeah November 28th, customers whose accounts are repeatedly flagged, there you go, there's the flagging already sneaking in, for alleged copyright infringements, which means downloading something, will have their access to frequently visited websites blocked until they complete an online copyright course.

1:39:27 You need to turn down your speakers just a little bit, John. Just a tad. I'm coming back. This is a... reminds me of Traffic School. It's exactly the same as Traffic School. And AT&T's U-verse is not the only one that's going to do this. Time Warner... Who else do we have? We have the... What's the other cable outfit? Time... Comcast. Comcast, yeah. They're gonna do it. Verizon. Everyone's jumping on the bandwagon. November 28th. is when everyone's going to start Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner and Verizon. And if you download something illegally more than six times, then you will basically only get a web page that says you have to complete the copyright course, which is just like traffic school. You're right. Yeah. Do you know what that means?

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1:59:38 When I do these knighthoods, I actually, I wave my arms. You know, I am doing the whole chunking thing. I get all wild and stuff, and so I knocked the light off and broke the whole attachment while I was at it. I'm reminded, I'm walking down the street and there's some woman sitting on a park bench on her cell phone yakking at somebody and she's wiggling her arms all over the place as if this gesticulating actually is being communicated somehow magically over the phone. Well that's pretty much me John, just like that. I'm gesticulating. So I promised some Canadian content, here it is. A page dedicated to Amanda Todd's memory. The bullies have found her again. The bullies? A hayman's noose below it. Rest in peace, Amanda. Laugh out loud. I'm so happy she's dead now, wrote another who identified herself as a classmate. And pictures, the one the teen wished she'd never shared, posted over and over again. Police investigating her death are now also investigating this.

2:00:39 Gathering evidence to potentially... So clearly you need a little setup to this clip. This is about Amanda Todd, and there's a reason why I'm playing this clip. Amanda Todd who killed herself after being cyber bullied in Canada. ...identify an individual that may in some way have played a role in her ultimately making this terrible decision. This is Amanda Todd just weeks ago in flashcards detailing a teenage mistake. A nude photo sent in trust then broadcast for all to ridicule. She changed homes, she changed schools but the internet bullies wouldn't allow the gossip to die. The 15 year old killed herself Wednesday. Her mother said she's proud her daughter made that video. Anyone to feel the pain that she felt? Biggest heart.

2:01:32 changes your life forever. If anyone understands this pain, Alan Hughbley does. His son Jamie was bullied. Last October, the 15-year-old killed himself. Hughbley's been fighting for change ever since. People in British Columbia will come together and just say to the bullies that it's over. The game's up. Stop. Cyberbullying and sexting are words experts say need to become part of all Canadians' vocabulary. Advice for parents, educate your kids, remind them what goes online stays online. Just like they teach kids about being street smart and street safety, they can teach you about cyber safety. While police investigate how and why Amanda Todd died, BC's premier is calling for change, potentially making cyber bullying a criminal offense, identifying and punishing kids who hurt kids. Ah, there you go. There you go. It will become a criminal offense to bully online. And, uh, are you still with me, John? Yeah. Okay.

2:02:33 I would like to remind everyone that we have seen this happen over and over again where kids get cyberbullied and then they wind up committing suicide. Usually the lawyers who come out for this are representing certain other entities because what is not being told in this story, I show, I know I want to do it whenever I read this, whenever I read teen kills himself because of bullying, I immediately google for the following and here it is. Amanda's bullying continued despite moving to a new city. Anti-depressants and counseling did little to combat the severe depression. What happens is these kids

2:03:13 They, of course, they become depressed, you know, there's all kinds of, you know, it sucks to be bullied. You know, this is when parents need to step up. You need to help your child, not take them to the doctor and put them on the drugs where the commercial literally says may induce thoughts of suicide in young people. These kids are killing themselves because you put them on the drugs that make them kill themselves. Stop doing this. It is not the cyberbullying, it is the drugs that are supposedly helping them against their depression. Stop giving your children these drugs. You can Google it every single time. Yeah, I think you're probably right. It makes sense. And you remember that we had that big one here in America? And then the lawyers who showed up were lawyers for pharmaceutical companies.

2:04:15 because they want to steer these poor parents in the direction of, oh it's cyber bullying, we need laws against cyber bullying, which of course will completely shut down free speech because it'll be hate speech or terrorism speech or radicalization speech or whatever it is. Please, don't look at the antidepressants we had the kid on, don't look at the meds, that had nothing to do with it. Yeah, I'm thinking that's probably right. Yeah, dope somebody up and Dopamine weird out and that's in especially kids. She's only 15. Yeah, and don't don't the commercials specifically say yeah No, they do we play those commercials constantly with all the disclaimers. Yeah, they say specifically may cause suicidal thoughts and young people Okay. Well, that's your Canadian news ladies and gentlemen. We try to stay upbeat How's that working out for you? All right

2:05:22 I got a couple of interesting items. These are like old stories that were never reported that I remember, because they were all new. When I watched them, I said, what? I didn't know this. What? I didn't know that. Now here's a couple of them. Let's go through them. I got three. How about the weird Gore Bush debate anecdote? Now let me set this up. They were discussing with some consultants how you set your, how do you do practice for the debates and all the rest of it. And these consultants dropped a little bombshell in here that I had no idea. This was during the Bush-Gore debates of 2000.

2:06:01 Keep up with the news. I never heard this story ever. You don't even see pictures. No, there's a reason why. You don't want to show those vulnerable moments. We don't want to give away any component to our prep. In the 2000 campaign, one of McKinnon's secretaries gave Bush debate prep video to the Gore campaign. The Gore campaign very smartly went right to the FBI. And what happened to her? She went to prison for a year. I remember that. Wasn't that they were getting it off of the satellite, off of the raw feed? Wasn't that how they were obtaining that video? That's illegal. I'm just saying that's... No, apparently they had some tapes and this woman, who I guess was a double agent for the campaign, if you want to call it that, she gives this stuff over the Gore campaign, they call the FBI, they throw the woman in prison. For doing what? For stealing the sex tape. I mean really, what was there something more to this? This doesn't sound right.

2:07:00 Well, it's theft I guess you can call it. I mean all these you know the DNC the RNC they're incorporated their corporations so that's industrial theft industrial espionage So meanwhile, there's this story that's floating around which mainstream media didn't pick up on. I think it's just a provocative action taking place. This came off of, I think, the Chinese news. This is a simulated drill that's going to take place with the United States working with Japan. Tell me what you think this might be about. The Japanese newspaper, Sankei Shimbun, reports that the US and Japan will hold joint military drills in November near an inhabited island in Okinawa Prefecture. Naval, land and air forces from both countries are expected to participate in the drills, which are reportedly aimed at simulating the retaking of an island occupied by enemy forces.

2:08:00 Hmm gee Well a couple of things or so we got to keep these Chinas in check You know because these Chinas are doing some really bad stuff They are there is an all-out assault on our petrodollar by the Chinas They are making their own deals outside of the US petrodollar system. We're gonna have like 10 countries now They're doing they're doing oil deals with we got it. We got to check these guys and And now they're moving into Toledo, they're in Ohio, they're all over Africa. I forget, Toledo. Yeah, we gotta... They're taking over Toledo! Oh no! Holy Toledo! So we gotta let these Chiners know that you can't mess with us that way.

2:08:41 And then there's this clip, which this is the, I'll set this up, this is the odd TEPCO analysis. This is just a clip of Palooza you're laying out on me here. A clip of Palooza. This I didn't realize, I think we may have talked about it, I don't remember this specifically, but they're re-analyzing, they had an independent panel look at the meltdown of the reactors in Japan. And by the way, You do, I just want to remind some of our listeners who were all panicky about these things we're going to blow and oh, you know, there's these fake reports that were put out there that we're supposed to like bite into like, you know, some other deconstruction shows might have done. You mean like, you mean like people getting Geiger counters to check their sushi, John? Is that what you're talking about? Ready? Now this is, this I did not know. You ready?

2:09:37 Yeah, this I did not know. I want to talk about this after we hit it. And still with news from Japan, the head of Tokyo Electric Power Company's new independent panel says the company blew it on nuclear plant safety. It was the first time the company had admitted that last year's nuclear crisis was avoidable. The operator should have known if certain things happen, they vent. If certain things happen, they add seawater. I can assure you in the United States, if they had an issue of reactor cooling where the core was about to become uncovered,

2:10:16 The operators would not call the CEO of the company and they certainly would not call the President of the United States and ask could they do that. They would do it. So what he's saying, he did come out and say it but apparently the guy's running these reactors that think has fallen apart and the guy says what are we going to do? We can follow procedures. No, let's call the boss. Well, that's exactly how it works there in Japan. That's the whole culture. Yeah. So they called the boss and I guess they called the Prime Minister or somebody to the Premier. I mean they wouldn't, they didn't just take care of it. This is a really a flaw in certain Asian cultures. I mean this is like... So what I'm not getting from the report is did they get through to the boss or the Premier and what was the answer? Well I don't know if they did. It sounds to me that the guy wasn't home.

2:11:12 Well, hey let it melt down until he gets home. Hey, Jin Son. No one's home, man What are we gonna do? I don't know dude call again call the prime minister cell number Puts it puts posted on Twitter man. I don't know we got to get through and so I have one other one That's a little tidbit. That is just completely alien to me. This is something of a long clip. Oh But it adds a little piece of, a fundamental piece of information that I think we need to know on this show. And apparently the French, especially with Hollande, really intend to be one of the players, I don't know, I guess they got this hair up their ass, they want to be now one of the players in Africa. Before we play the clip, can I ask you a question? Sure.

2:11:57 The hair up your ass analogy is an interesting one. Is this something that actually has happened to you or have you ever witnessed this? No, it's just an old phrase. But does it come from in the old days that people used to have a hair up their ass? I don't know why it's even used as a term. Just asking, thought maybe you had an idea. You never heard it before? Yeah, but only now that I just think about it's like wow you know is that annoying I really expected deconstruct the old colloquialisms on the show I mean I'm gonna be every time I say one of these old things like cripes well No, we in fact yes, we have discussed cripe. We have discussed get on the stick. We've discussed fiddle sticks We've discussed all these things ever so I don't say fiddle sticks. We've discussed it I

2:11:12 Well, hey let it melt down until he gets home. Hey, Jin Son. No one's home, man What are we gonna do? I don't know dude call again call the prime minister cell number Puts it puts posted on Twitter man. I don't know we got to get through and so I have one other one That's a little tidbit. That is just completely alien to me. This is something of a long clip. Oh But it adds a little piece of, a fundamental piece of information that I think we need to know on this show. And apparently the French, especially with Hollande, really intend to be one of the players, I don't know, I guess they got this hair up their ass, they want to be now one of the players in Africa. Before we play the clip, can I ask you a question? Sure.

2:11:57 The hair up your ass analogy is an interesting one. Is this something that actually has happened to you or have you ever witnessed this? No, it's just an old phrase. But does it come from in the old days that people used to have a hair up their ass? I don't know why it's even used as a term. Just asking, thought maybe you had an idea. You never heard it before? Yeah, but only now that I just think about it's like wow you know is that annoying I really expected deconstruct the old colloquialisms on the show I mean I'm gonna be every time I say one of these old things like cripes well No, we in fact yes, we have discussed cripe. We have discussed get on the stick. We've discussed fiddle sticks We've discussed all these things ever so I don't say fiddle sticks. We've discussed it I

2:12:43 I don't even remember what was Fiddlesticks, what was the... And we discussed, your mother wears army boots. Ah, that was a good one. Yeah. uh... but uh... hair up your ass uh... i'll look at what we listen to the clip. It's supposed to be a celebration of the french language seventy heads of state are gathering in the democratic republic of congo this saturday along with french president francois hollande but the summit is shrouded in controversy earlier this week hollande himself said the situation in congo was unacceptable in terms of human rights democracy and the respect of the opposition but he agreed to attend in an effort to promote democracy in Africa. Earlier we spoke to our reporter Nicolas Germain who's covering the summit for François Ncad. He told us what's at the top of the agenda today.

2:13:29 Well, we know that first of all they're going to talk about the crisis situations in the francophone areas and first of all about Mali and northern Mali. The territory is occupied by Islamist forces. They will discuss the possible military intervention of a regional force. They will also talk about Congo here where in the east of the country the M23 rebels are opposed to government forces. The UN says that Rwanda supports these rebels. Kigali denies the accusations. So here today the Congolese and Rwandan delegations will be able to discuss that topic. And of course it's a francophone summit so they're going to talk about the future of the French language. Today French is spoken by 220 million people. In 2050 700 million people will talk French and most of them will be here in Africa. And they will all be singing Swazilnaf. Did you know that there were going to be 700 million people going to be speaking French and most of them in Africa? It is still I believe the official language of politics, French.

2:14:28 It is the, it is the, yeah, I think it's still the elitist language. I think that ended some time back. Well, not according to the French. I just thought that was peculiar. Well, you know, the French colonialism certainly spread out quite a bit. I mean, you talk to any of these people from, uh, from Africa, uh, they all speak French. Most of them. And then I have the one last thing, which is my clip gone bad. Hold on a sec. Clip gone bad. All right. Well, welcome back to RT with me, Tarantella. For both their country and its allies. Beginning Rocket Destroy. Was that actually broadcast that way on RT? No, it was a clip gone bad. Oh, okay. Wow. Gee. Uh, the correct use of, uh, the phrase is a- have a wild hair up your ass.

2:15:26 Not just a hair. I guess it's been concatenated. Yes, it has been. A wild hair, which would be a psychological irritation. A wild hair. No, it doesn't. There has to be a better, there has to be an etymology that makes sense. Well, I'm looking at the etymology and there's, you know, 1952 as a reference, but... And it was as wild, H-A-I-R or H-A-R-E? H-A-I-R, I believe. You can have a hair across your ass. How about you can have a hairy canary? This is that's a good one. We should use the hairy canary line. I never heard it. What is it used for? As in wild hair up your ass. It's just another way. Hairy canary? Yeah, hairy canary. That's where we're going. Hairy canary and we're sticking with it. Well, John, I think it is now time since we have everybody listening

2:16:25 I think it is time to congratulate the European Union. Welcome to the program. This year's Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded to the European Union, the Nobel Committee, so the EU deserved the award for its long-term role in uniting the continent after World War II. Yes, that's right. I mean, how... How lame is this? It's as bad as Obama. I mean, yeah, we have a Nobel Peace Prize winner with a kill list. I mean, that was already crazy. But now, well, here's Barroso. He's very happy. Barroso thinks it's great. I have to say that when I woke up this morning, I did not expect it to be such a good day. Because, you know, Europe is going down in flames. Everything is breaking away, but we have a prize.

2:17:10 It was with great emotion that I received the news of the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to the European Union. What? He said noble. No, he keeps saying noble. Then the European Community has unified countries split by the Cold War and has made it around the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, justice, the rule of law. and respect for human rights. And just wait until we get the police and the cyber networks. It will be great. Oh, sand in your vag is another one that's being recommended here. So here is, of course, our friend Nigel Farage, who pretty much expresses the same sentiments we have on the best podcast in the universe about this ludicrous, ridiculous, elite, megalomaniac inspired idea.

2:18:10 degradation of the entire concept of any Nobel Prize by handing it to the European Union rife with war. Let's get more on that top story, the Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to the UK. And please pay attention to the BBC show trying to confront Nigel Farage about this. The European Union joining us live now from central London is the leader of the UK Independence Party, Nigel Farage. Mr. Farage, Welcome to BBC World News. So you've been phoning Jose Manuel Barroso to say congratulations, well done. You are so funny, newsman! I think the whole thing's a nonsense. I mean, if anybody's seriously suggesting that a democratic, stable, post-war Germany would have invaded France again with the intention of smashing it to smithereens, I would suggest they're misreading history. I don't believe there was any prospect of war happening in Western Europe after 1945. And arguably, projects that take different nation states

2:19:06 force them together under a new identity, a new flag and a new anthem. If they do it without the consent of the peoples, far from creating peace, this can actually create war as Yugoslavia has showed us. So I'm baffled by this prize, as I think the viewers will be, because the last big European story was Angela Merkel going to Athens and there we saw swastikas being flown and Europe now being dominated by grief, violence and division. So you've completely omitted or you've forgotten what the Cold War was about then? Yes, the Cold War was about NATO. NATO and the nuclear deterrent. The fact we had... the fact the Russians didn't invade us had absolutely nothing to do with the European Union which after all wasn't actually fully created until 1992. So you're saying the European Union now is not about freedom, it's not about law, it's not about human rights, it's not about reconciliation?

2:19:57 It's about the destruction of nation-state democracy. Mr Barroso was perfectly clear one month ago in Strasbourg, national democracy has to go, it has to be transferred. up to a European level and that is being done without consent and far from making the peoples of Europe love each other what has actually happened is the eurozone has divided Europe north to south and there are increasing growing enmities and violence on the streets we are headed in a very bad and I think dangerous direction. Yippee! This just in... Who's that douchebag from the BBC? Geez! This just in, Gerry Sandusky has won the Think of the Children award

2:20:38 Oh yeah. Geert Wilders had a good one. He said, what's next? Herman Van Rompuy wins an Oscar? Like, yeah. Oh, funny enough, the... That wasn't a good one. It wasn't funny. I'd like that one. I liked it when it came out. You didn't like that one? No, it wasn't nominated. What was it? Iran has... They're creating the Islamic Nobel Prize. They figured, you know, the thing is now so devalued. Yeah. Oh, I missed this one. Yeah, Iran which has themselves only one Nobel Prize laureate announced the inception of a rival award intended solely for outstanding scientists of the Islamic world. This is great. This is very smart, but they shouldn't just do it for the Islamic world. It'll be the Great Prophet World Prize. Can't wait. This should be a fun ceremony.

2:21:38 That should be great. There's a million jokes in there. I can't come up with one. Yeah, man, but they're in there. They're in there for sure. Yeah, well, I got an interesting. Let's just talk about this for one second. But why did they do this? Well, there's a couple of factors here. One, you have to remember the country that does the Nobel Peace Prize is not the same country that does the Nobel Prize for literature and chemistry and all the rest. It's a different award altogether and it is done out of Norway as opposed to the Nobel Prizes which are done out of Sweden. And Norway, ironically enough, is not part of the European Union. They stayed out.

2:22:21 That's interesting so I thought that yeah, I thought that little like we're not in it But you guys here will give you an award shut up. Maybe they were trying to buy him off or something. I have no idea Wow Interesting or maybe it was just poking their eye out. It's like We're here. We're outside of that whole debacle. I know if I'm funny Let's kick sand in their face and give them the Peace Prize Award. Oh You know, that element does exist in the award system. All award systems. I've been a judge in different awards and every once in a while there's a political thing that takes place when you decide between A or B.

2:23:03 which are both deserving and you pick one or the group will pick one or somebody or boss everybody into picking the one that will cause more controversy or it'll be the one to just throw sand in the face kind of thing. I mean there's that does happen so that wouldn't surprise me. Can you give me a specific example? I mean yeah there was a computer press award some time back And this was in the 80s and I was a judge and I was a co-judge actually with William with William Randolph Hearst the third and Bill Willie mm-hmm and so the two of us were picking best computer magazine I believe it was in 1985 I think set the stage are you on his yacht? He doesn't have a yacht. He does at the time. He's driving around a Honda Civic, but anyway

2:23:52 And it was one of those Honda Civics, you can find the old Civics, if anybody knows these old Civics, they had a, they were all right hand drive because in Japan they're all on the right hand side, so they make the left hand drive one special for the United States and other countries. But the way they did those old Civics, they still had the gears for the right-hand drive stuff in the passenger side. So there was a little bump at the top of the floor panel that you could push down and stop the car from the driver's side. Wait a minute. All these cars had that. Did it have a clutch as well? No, there was no clutch. There might have been, but it was the brake that was sticking out. Really? So you could... Yeah, so you could... Every time I got in one of these cars, I'd always feel around for the bump and then I'd slam on the brakes. It would drive the... What the hell's wrong with my car?

2:24:40 Really this was okay, so I'm just you're full of line. You are full of jokes you got a million of them so anyway, so we came down to bite magazine and computer currents which was a throwaway free newsprint magazine We just thought it would be so funny to give it to computer currents as opposed to fighting magazine Which is like a big you know big fat magazine. This is like a local You couldn't resist oh man, and that was that's the only example you have I'm sure I got tons of them I'm just not gonna tell you all the examples throw a brick to the window Someone's pissed cuz I didn't get some hokey computer press award. Oh

2:25:26 Generally speaking, I played it straight, but there was always a little consideration like who would get the most benefit from the award? Do these guys need another award? Wow. You know that kind of thing. That's very common. Wow. And when you're in meetings, if you're like an editorial system, when they give out the top 100 people in the subject, you sit around a table, generally speaking, just the editorial staff, and somebody, they just throw out names and it's like, I think it should be number 30. What about so-and-so? It's a 15. What about, what's her name? Oh yeah, let's put her up to number two. But don't put her number one because she's number one, so it won't be good. Let's put somebody else that she hates number one. Okay, you're right about this person. So spiteful. So spiteful and mean, wow. That's what you do when you're in the business. So you think that goes on at the Oscars and the country music awards and all that stuff? Yeah, of course. All awards and all lists are bull crap.

2:26:23 Top 100 most influencers, come on. I mean you know when they have the meeting the guy says, well this will piss this guy off. Let's put him number eight and then put so and so number seven. I know that even happens with the, when they do the richest list. I know, I know they're totally making that up because in Holland when I actually had a lot of money, they would put me on the list and be like, he's got 50 million. I'd be like, pfft. I wish they just make up numbers and then they actually would have the audacity to say, well, you know, you could always just open your accounting to us so we can take a look at it. Like, yeah, because I would always, I didn't want to be on your stupid list. I don't have that kind of money. I never did, but they would just put you on the list just to, you know, to draw you in, I guess. I don't know. You know, it's all, it's all bull crap in general.

2:27:19 All press is bullcrap. The only thing that's not bullcrap is this program right here. Well, there's some truth to that. Do you remember the first time we met, John? And I hate to be revealing all this inside information to the public, but I think you have to know this is going on. Donations are soaring through the roof as we speak, because this is information people just don't get. So I think it's very smart you did this. We met in 1993 at CNET. That's correct and what was the occasion at CNET? Well you were auditioning to be the host of something to have the main host job that was eventually taken by Richard Hart. No, no, incorrect I'm sorry. We were doing... No that's exactly right. No, incorrect I'll do it again. It was the pilot weekend we were shooting the pilots. I refused the job okay.

2:28:12 I refused the job because they did they weren't I saw you standing up there reading lines That was the pilot. It was the pilot weekend and by the way, you're a handsome young man So what show were you doing? What was the show? No, they had me doing some yeah, we had a couple of different What was the name? What was the name of the show the the discussion show? Yeah the discussion. What was it called? I don't remember because I found yesterday that In cleaning up, so I did two things yesterday. One is a very, very unhappy moment on Friday. A very unhappy moment. I did my taxes. Because you know, of course, is it Monday or Tuesday when you actually have to send the check?

2:28:53 Yes, and we don't get no refunds Around here, so I'm sure Mimi does your taxes right she took care of that for you guys That's being finished as we speak. Yes, see so I did it Unhappy moment, and I'm like you know I'm so pissed off Why don't I just continue and I'll clean out the entire garage which included ten boxes of crap and that were unceremoniously packed by my ex-wife and shipped off to LA. Which means that literally, imagine a box and just throwing everything in there. Just like dumping a trash can on top of it. Yeah, sounds exactly like my office. Right. And I cleaned up the studio and I found

2:29:33 The the entire pilot tape of that whole CNET weekend because that was never broadcast that was that way we were just doing a pilot to sell to cable stations because CNET was supposed to be a cable channel before it became an internet network and I have the pilot of that show that you did Really? Mm-hmm. Can you make a dub for me? If I could even if I can even find a machine to play it on you have probably No, it's a VHS. It's just I don't have a VHS player. Oh, I do you have a VHS player? I think was called it. I think was called the insiders or something like that. Maybe yep And so I do I would I do want to reiterate they offered me the job. I was doing it with dr May Jemisin the astronaut you recall beautiful black woman and

2:30:23 Remember you don't remember I can't barely remember what time I got up And they offered me like some bullcrap salary and 18 million shares of stock And I was like well how much Do you have outstanding they wouldn't tell me I'm like well, then how there's no good? I can tell me how many shares are outstanding. I don't know what you're giving me and they want me to move to San Francisco interesting tidbit I had registered, I registered for them on the spot that day, that weekend, CNET.com and I hosted their email for at least six months because they didn't have... You did that with MTV too. Yeah, well MTV I set up a server but this is just, I was like, you know, I remember telling them Kevin Wendell, remember he was sitting there and Halsey Minor and I said...

2:31:16 Guys this needs to be a computer thing. This is you know. This is a this is a whole computer This cable thing great idea. That's not where your future is in fact. Do you have a website no? Okay, we have prodigy no no no no look in fact. I'm not kidding. I used to forward Kevin Wendell and Halsey miners email to their prodigy accounts and And I registered cnet.com on the spot and set up email aliases so that it would go to their prodigy email. Again, ahead of your time. As with this show! Look where it got me. Yeah, nowhere. That's the problem with being that ahead of you. You're too far ahead. But that does qualify me as a visionary. Yeah, I guess. Well, that's interesting. So anyway, I'll make sure you get that. I thought you were going for the main host of the whole network. No!

2:32:11 No, they were offering me a job as a host. I don't know if it was the main host. I think it was the main host. But I said I wasn't interested because they were going to pay just not enough money to move out there, move my whole family. No security with this bullcrap fly-by-night operation. They had some talk show. Yeah, I didn't have much faith in them. Talk show with some white haired guy who was all grouchy. I'm like, this is going to fail. I'm just kidding, man. I love you. You know that. Wouldn't know what to do without you. Wouldn't know what to do without being able to talk with you at least twice a week. I'd probably be divorced again.

2:32:51 Yeah, it could be, but I'll tell you this, we're planning to end the show clip after this is over. Okay. The UK and Russia and the merchant marines, apparently the Russians want to give some old merchant mariners that were in the British merchant marines who went all through the icebergs to drop off supplies and award, and the British government, mainly because of that one douchebag guy that we keep pointing out, the foreign secretary. Oh, Haig? William Haig? Yeah, Haig. Haig, whatever. They said, now you can't do it. You can't have the award. Screw ya. Okay. It's a big scandal. And please everybody, enjoy your weekend. Remember us as you think about what you want to spend your valuable

2:33:35 Assets on if you felt this program was valuable Dvorak org slash na I am here in the capital of the drone star state Austin, Texas in the morning everybody My name is Adam curry and from northern Silicon Valley. Let me look outside for a second. Yep. It's still foggy I'm John C. Dvorak. We will be back again on Thursday right here on no agenda Certain death, if I fell over, Paul, that was a certain death. I mean, the temperature was well, well below zero. I mean, I was 18 years of age, 18 years of age, going up to Russia and enduring all that hardships and whatever. But we'd done it with a good heart because the job had to be done.

2:34:25 John's stories and memories are among the most harrowing of the war. For the Russians it was more than just supplies. It was psychological support, contributing hugely to the war effort. That's why in April the Russian president awarded the Ishakov Medal to the allies who'd taken part in the convoy missions. But incredibly, the British government's blocking Russia from rewarding British veterans for their valour. The veterans of the Arctic Convoy in recognition of your outstanding contribution to our allied cooperation during World War II. The description of the medal is attached forthwith. But apparently, unless the British government sanctions it, it's a non-starter, which I think is

2:35:14 Unforgivable. Why? The Foreign Office says it's against the rules. In order for permission to be given for an award to be accepted, there has to be a specific service to the country concerned and that service should have taken place within the previous five years. John's wife says that's ridiculous. They're all late 80s, early 90s some of them. What on earth are they supposed to do over the last five years? They're still proud men of what they were during the war. It never leaves them being penalised and not being given this medal. I think it's disgraceful. Absolutely disgraceful. Turn off your television!

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