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00:01 Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. After a very brief but extremely annoying hiatus, once again it's time for your bi-weekly Gitmo Nation publication. This is no agenda. Coming to you from the heart of Gitmo Nation East, yes, from New York City, the place so nice they named it twice. I'm Adam Curry. And from a place he only named once, thank goodness for that, Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Yahoo! We've done it! We're on the air! It works! Not bad for a hotel shot. Yeah, hotel shot, baby, yeah. Interesting you have to listen to the beginning because normally you have that planned voiceover you do at the beginning.

00:49 Which I think is pre-recorded, right? No, it's never pre-recorded. It's always live. Everything is live? Even that thing at the beginning and then this thing that you follow up with? Yeah, that's always live. Except I didn't write anything. Now I just did it off the cuff. Both are live all the time? Always. Huh. Always. It's always like this. Adam Curry. John C. Devorah. Yeah, you know, it's really loud and I know how to talk it up so I talk into the donut and it hits exactly when the voice guy comes on. It's, uh, no agenda. This is no agenda. And then I hit this one and then I talk over that for a little bit. Oh, okay. Because normally, oh, because normally I thought I've heard a variation on the gain. Nope, that's just me varying the gain. It's a great morning, Buzzkill. In the morning.

01:33 no baby whatever it's all live it's all live sounded good thank you thank you very much so apologies uh listeners for uh not one but two missed shows most of you probably know what's going on i'll be very brief about it um my wife and i are separated uh we uh she has asked for a divorce and uh appropriate and uh there's not much more to say other than that that is a very sad situation particularly because there is a third party involved being our 18 year old daughter and it sucks ass. And you can write about it in your memoirs. Yes, and we did actually record No Agenda 99 last week and it was horrible, so horrible and so just didn't feel right and even though you warned me in the beginning we didn't put it out.

02:29 Well, here's the question. This is the real dilemma. Are we now doing, as we speak, no Agenda 100? No. This is no Agenda 99. I have destroyed the previous recording. It no longer exists anywhere. It's gone. So this coming Sunday will be no Agenda 100? Correct. Alright, well that's good. And hopefully, where are you going to be? Are you going to be someplace where you have a better connection? Yes, I will be in Amsterdam and not in a hotel. So I will have a better connection, yes I will.

03:08 And right now I'm in New York for business and that really is just one more brief thing. In these types of situations and separation and divorce is nothing new, it happens to a lot of people. It's very difficult when it happens after 22 years. But what sucks is that invariably one of the two parties and often both still have to go to the factory and still have to work because you know the chimneys got to keep smoking. uh... and uh... in this case uh... the show is uh... part of my going to the factory uh... uh... i have responsibility to over sixty families if you as it were uh... that we're getting back to pay for missing the last two for the last five times i deserve it and thanks for being so uh... so nice only only dot for only two shows that's really it's really kind of you john so that the big news

04:06 and I have caught up a little bit with the news I was totally off the grid like way off the grid so what's the big news? Well the big news if we're gonna talk real big news is Obama's thing with his you know this Apparently they can grab you off the street and throw you in jail forever without any habeas corpus or anything else. Oh Jesus, tell me about this. I mean, it's not like I wasn't expecting this to happen, not like we haven't predicted it, but honestly, and no bullshit, I have no idea what you're talking about. Really? Yeah, well dude, I'm a little preoccupied here. Yeah, I know, but you could at least pick up a paper once. I picked up a paper! Go to DeVorek.org, calm down, calm down. You don't need the belt on the air, this is not... Sorry.

04:50 you can calm down go to the right to work slash blog and look at and i think that's interesting about this to me is that uh... the one who went after obama the hardest especially in the msnbc world was rachel maddow really who just laid into his bed was if you want to call a into him but she gave him nothing grief for this uh... you know he essentially give a speech that was condemning the Bush administration for what it was doing at Gitmo and all the rest of it. And then they came up and said, this is all crap and we're going to do everything that's going to be legal from now on. So they designed this thing called prolonged detention. Hold on, I'm looking for it. I'm looking at Dvorak.org. It's May 24th, or just click on the search and type in Maddow.

05:40 We don't have a lot of Maddow references. MADOW, is that it? MADDOW. Sorry, we couldn't find anything to match your search. you put in a media no no i misspelled obama out does bush gets blasted by madhouse replay this or is that it's too long it's like a really it's seven minutes and forty two seconds take up the whole show alright bro tell me about it but just sensually uh... bob i get is really interesting kind of inspired speech blasting the bush's for all this stuff stuff they did and then essentially uh... dot it announces the exact same plan with the new name change in this case is prolonged detention which says that if we think that in a sense of your enemy combatant or six but i was not actually the way he defined it could be anyone they could pick you up as you come into the country and i'm already here they had a slip well he's at the

06:40 Anyway, so, uh, uh, it's, it's, it's, she described it as a pre-crime sort of situation. Oh, like thought, like thought crime. Well, no, Precrime, the way, you know, that Minority Report movie. Yeah, but this is exactly what we discussed probably around episode number 40 when all of this stuff came out about what determines if you are an enemy of the state, essentially. And it was so freaking broad. And this was exactly what Bush did. Exactly what he did. So it's just, it's the same stuff, different face, right? Yep, but anyway you can watch that and we'll talk about it on Sunday. Okay. Because it's better to be talked about on the 100th anniversary show because it really symbolizes a lot of things. But can I just get a, can I just get a yeah you told me so? Who said that I wasn't on the bandwagon? Yeah I know but there's no one else on this show so just I want to feel good for a minute. You see I told you so. Okay good.

07:38 Somehow that didn't work out the way I wanted it to. Okay, alright, so the fascist state gets yet a little bit closer. Yeah, okay, so you missed that one. Here's another one. I heard it. There's a good one floating around that I wanted to do a little piece here since we're getting our adoring fans are looking for insights that they don't get anyplace else and I want to do one before I get to the Korean story. Okay. Marine O'Dowd, sorry, not O'Dowd, Marine Dowd got busted for plagiarizing in the New York Times. Who is Marine O'Dowd? Oh, she's the reporter. No, she's a columnist, Marine Dowd. And she's on TV, she's all over the place.

08:25 She got busted for plagiarizing and I started looking into it and I have an explanation for what happened and also I find the whole situation amusing because just the same way that the Democrats are like, you know, saying that the prolonged detention, which is the Obama version of George Bush initiative... And this by the way, is exactly what's going on in Gitmo Nation East in the United Kingdom. Exactly the same thing. Anyway, let's go to this. So, Maureen Dow lifted from the Talking Points memo, Josh Marshall's blog, word for word, like 40 lines, it's a long piece. Now, I'm going to read you the original.

09:14 And I can say right until they get to one pronoun, it's exactly the same. Here's from Josh Marshall. More and more, the timeline is raising the question of why, if the torture was to prevent terrorist attacks, It seemed to happen mainly during the period when we were looking for what was essentially political information to justify the invasion of Iraq. More and more the timeline is raising the question of why, if torture was to prevent terrorist attacks, it seemed to mainly happen during the period when the Bush crowd was looking for what was essentially political information to justify the invasion of Iraq. Every single word is identical except, we was swapped out for the Bush crowd.

09:56 Oh boy. Now, the funny thing, there's two things that are interesting about this. One is that, well, everyone's jumping all over her for being a plagiarist, and she, by the way, blames the mistake on the fact that somebody sent her an email with this quote in it, and she took from the email, in other words, she has a plagiarist friend who she plagiarized from, she didn't plagiarize directly from this. She took it from email, which is just beautiful. and which is embarrassing but the kicker here is that she obviously cut and paste it because every comma is in exactly the same place now what's unique to me is and I've written for the New York Times so I understand this is that the only thing that was changed and the New York Times is top-heavy with editors and fact checkers and fact checkers but they don't check for plagiarism they check for facts and they don't have those systems that the high school teachers use anyway so

10:52 What's interesting is nobody's brought up the fact that they, she threw in the Bush crowd, which was an obvious, you know, slanted slam. Nobody says anything about that being weird. But I realize that what happened here was that this thing went to copy edit and then went to the editors or the line edit and copy or whoever, and they found the word we and the New York Times, I can assure you from working with them, are really up, they just cannot take poorly referenced pronouns. We being the pronoun in question. We. We. Who's we? It goes like this. It's like, who's they? John, yeah. I'm reading this here. Let me read this to you. During the period when we were looking... Who's we? Is that you? Is that you? Were you looking? Were you and your friends looking? Yeah. No, no, no. It wasn't me. Well, I don't see who we is. You know, they figure that out readers are idiots and most of them are, but there's... So they said, well, okay, we the Bush crowd.

11:48 Okay, I like crowd even crowd is is sketchy. What is the blue? Well, you know she prop this is the what you do in the last minute for the edit You got to come up with something because it was who specifically could you say the Bush administration? Or well, you could have or you could have just said the government There's a lot of things you could have said but they swapped it out. You got the Bush crowd so that so essentially I believe she probably just took the whole piece whole cloth and then ran it now and Everybody's jumping on her for being a plagiarist and she's coming with phony baloney excuses. Well, I saw it in email I did this I did that she's blaming a friend and by the way The irony here is that she's the one who exposed Joe Biden in 1987 as a plagiarist. Oh That's right his it was a speech right wasn't just a bunch of stuff. Yeah, remember that Oh shit John. Hold on one second. Don't move. I'm not moving I'm squeezing my tea bags. Oops. Did I say that?

12:45 In fact, it's true. I'm actually having Thai food. Thai food? Thai food, Thai food tea. Thai food tea? No, I have no tea here at the hotel. I promised my daughter I'd always have my phone near me and it was in the bathroom so I just want to make sure I had it next to me. So anyway, let me finish this. Yes, please. So you're going to do a cut in or are you going to cut that out? No, leave that. Are you kidding me, man? There's no agenda. Yeah, right. So anyway, here we go. So, here's what happened, in my opinion, as a production writer, someone who does a lot of writing, and she does, she's a columnist too. It goes like this.

13:22 You're constantly looking for material, you're cutting and pasting and cutting and pasting and cutting and pasting for notes. And then you write, you write, you write, and then you maybe cut and paste some stuff so you can use it for reference, and you go back and forth and back and forth. Every once in a while, by the way, this freaks me out. I'm always freaked out about this. My wife has a solution to it, but it always scares me that I'm gonna make this mistake. You run into a piece, a few sentences, that are very interestingly written that you think you may have written. Oh, and this does happen. It happens all the time. Yeah. So, so I read this stuff going, did I write that? It sounds like me. It's pretty good. And then, and then you, and then you said, I have a piece that I wrote about UCSD Pascal about 25 years ago that got misattributed to some other writer.

14:18 And now I've lost confidence in the fact that I'm pretty sure I wrote it. But if you look it up on the archives, it's got somebody else's bio. We had something not too long ago at our UK office. Matt Cottle, who does Gamesweasel, uh... you know the media over there on the video game show the gaming show and uh... so he also writes a a blog version of it which is kind of you know the way we operate at the dealers in the blog version we found out that uh... a reporter for the scotsman which is uh... is actually pretty respected newspaper uh... right that that this reporter who had been plagiarizing every single one of his postings for like six months

15:01 Wow! Yeah! Six months! And, uh, you know, we, you know, I can't, we didn't take them to court or anything like that. You don't have to. Did you bust them in the public domain? You know, did you make a scene? Did you say anything? Hereby. Hereby busted. No, we didn't. You know, they were hugely embarrassed and... Hugely embarrassed? They were ripping the guy off! Yeah, well it was a... That's beyond plagiarism. It was and it was word for word. It was complete copy paste and it was a freelancer and all this and you know And actually we turned it around we said, you know what? Why don't you give us some fucking press dude? You know to do something nice for us and you know, I know how these things go I mean there was no malicious intent. It was just poor poor process poor journalistic process on their part but for the Scotsman and at which I don't read

15:50 I do believe it's a reasonably respectable paper and they did do the honorable thing and I think they did print something about it and they fired her, this columnist. So they took care of it but it happens, you know, how can you trace this stuff particularly when you're working with freelancers? It's very difficult. So yeah, I could be vindictive. and then you would go ahead and bust them. You don't have to be vindictive, you just have to make a point of it. But anyway, this thing I think with Dowd was one of these deals. Now I'm always worried that this is going to happen by accident and I think that somebody working for the New York Times, if this actually happened to her by accident, it would be rather humiliating. It's like, gee, I can't keep track of what I'm doing, was what you're saying to yourself or the public announcement you'd have to make. Which is the way it is though.

16:34 Now my wife has an interesting technique because she's always worried that because we do a lot of books and we take you know, like we just finished our spice book and you take recipes from here and there and you have to Is that thing out yet? Is it available? No, it's not out yet. Is it on the Kindle? It will be. So anyway, you're looking for a definitive recipe. I've done this when I used to write about food for chimichurri sauce, for example. You take about ten of these recipes and you put them in the thing and then you look at them and you kind of digest the basic theory and you come up with your version. The problem you always run into is that sometimes if you let these things set for a few months, you don't know if you wrote the thing about that you think is your version or not. She brings everything in when she does cut and paste like that in red or blue or green so it's never in black. So there's never a problem. It's a great idea because with the word you can, you know, you can color the text. That's a very good idea and that's kind of like a built-in protection. You can always come back and say, well it was blue.

17:37 If it was blue, then it wasn't yours. If you wrote it, it blew no matter what, John. Ayyyyy! So anyway, yeah, that was good. That's my Marine Dowd story. You can make more jokes later. Hey, let me hit you here. And now, back to Real News. because it's kind of a food story. Britain's Court of Appeal ruled that, contrary to the argument of their maker, Procter & Gamble, Pringles contains enough potato to be defined as potato chips and therefore are not exempt from value-added tax.

18:33 I thought, that's amazing. Here's Procter & Gamble actually trying to prove that there's no potatoes in their potato chips so that they can get some kind of tax break. I just love that. I like to ask the question is why would a Pringle without potatoes get away with tax break and Pringles with a potato have to pay more taxes. Does that make any sense to anybody? Well, it doesn't say it in this little blurb, but I presume it has something to do with agriculture or something like that. Does that make sense? So they're taxing agriculture? No, it's value added tax. So that's VAT. So there's different levels of value added tax for food versus clothing versus chemicals I presume. So something like that. I mean it would be nice to know and I think it certainly warrants some detail, yeah for sure.

19:28 It's funny that, you know, here's a company who, you know, once you pop, you can't stop. Pringles rock, right? That's, they're the best potato chips around, but the maker of them actually is saying, well, there's no potatoes in there. There's not enough potatoes to actually be called potato chips. It's actually a toy. It's a floor wax and a dessert topping, but don't think it's a potato chip. Well, people shouldn't be eating stuff like that. Meanwhile, the bad local news here is that Monterey Foods, which is one of our top... vegetable places and they sell you know I mean go there you buy sepsis, truffles. Is that a chain? No, no it's a place run by various people and in all the you know the Zuni cafe chef shops there everybody all their top chefs in the area that run these you know fancy restaurants they go there to see what the latest crazy thing is that's in you know like sepsis and truffles and oyster mushrooms and abalone mushrooms and

20:32 Now that one of the founders is having a beef with his, I guess, the other relatives or the kids or something and now that this thing may be over and ruined and out of business in the next month or two and I'm depressed. More food news. This evening I had dinner with my partner Ron Bloom and one of our board of director members Jerry Newman. Have you ever met Jerry? No. What a colorful, you really need to meet him by the way. He's in the office all the time. Very very colorful guy. And he's been with us from, with this company from day one. Also helped us with our previous company. He took us to Bar American. Have you ever heard of this restaurant in New York?

21:13 It's not ringing a bell. Oh, it's... John, you need to eat at this place. First of all, the ambiance is just outrageous and it is packed. It is very difficult to get a reservation. And I had ribs tonight. And oh my god, I've never had your pork or ribs and I know you do a pulled pork and all that stuff but somehow I feel it just might rival. And I also had the, what's the Atlanta onion, is it Vidalis? Vidalia. Vidalia, thank you. Vidalia onion soup which was delicious. But Vidalia onions are interesting because you can actually eat them raw like an apple. Yeah, and Ron of course is from Atlanta so he knew all about them and he said, oh you have not lived until you've tasted Vidalia onion. It was outstanding, I tell ya. Well next time I get a shot at it I'll go there. What was the wine you had? Let's go. No, no wine. Dude, we're working, we're working hard. You know, gotta clean up. What time was dinner? Eight o'clock. What time was it over? 9.30.

22:20 And you couldn't have had a glass of wine? No, no. We had a Pinot Noir at the hotel and that was pretty much it. I'm by the way, I've been clean for almost two months now when it comes to the mojo. So, you know, and I've been going through quite an interesting process of cleaning out my system, which is just outrageous now that I see how long this crap actually stays in my body. It's been weeks and weeks and I can just feel everything streaming out. Sorry for the visual there, but... I'm good, I'm feeling good. So the lighter clicks you hear are for tobacco only and that of course is my final vice and I'll get rid of that eventually too. It's a new me and boy I'm not funny. When I'm not baked I'm not... which of course is one of the biggest fears of performers. You know, hey man, like now I'm not baked, you know, it just might not be good anymore. It's your head in there.

23:21 So, uh, you know, I'm sure Brooks will be more than happy to do the show with you So the well while you're done the topic of Brooks, well, I can't do this. You are so late. Yeah Okay, so here we go now take we got some clips on what people listen to I can go off with those Okay, I want you to play we got the Bobby kid that this now I should play a Bobby Kennedy clip Which let me explain what's going on for people who have not seen this there is a American Experience on PBS has a thing called the Kennedys or the Kennedys is big experience in the Kennedys I can't remember but anyway was on last week and I think it's gonna be running for a while on and off is a must-watch it talks about the you know the sketchy history of the family and everything in between all the way back to Joe when he was running booze

24:15 Yep, and I think even before that but anyway the but there was a I did I just was listening and listening It was I was just riveted. Sorry. He was running moonshine not drugs moonshine You said booze didn't you and I said, I think I said, I don't know what I said. I'm not I'm not big. Yes You remember he's going so anyway, so anyway, there's this one clip This was the clip of his little speech before he got shot, but But it was like, I've never really dissected this clip before, but I want you to listen to his words carefully. Now, just for the timeline, because I think a lot of our listeners, you know, certainly... Never heard of Bobby Kennedy. You might just want to set that up a little bit more, yeah. I don't know how much more I can set it up, but okay, let me see. Bobby Kennedy... Gee, you're not typing into Wikipedia, are you?

25:07 No, I'm just saying what day it was shot so we can get the date here. So John Kennedy was shot in... John Kennedy was shot in... 63. And this is 68. So this is 1968. Bobby Kennedy... If you want to agree with me to set the whole thing up, this has got nothing to do with the clip. But I know you want to hear it, which is there was a anti-war movement going on and they were going to put in Eugene McCarthy to run against Lyndon Johnson and Kennedy didn't want to have anything to do with it. And then Lyndon Johnson said, I'm not running for re-election. And then Kennedy jumps in at the last minute and pushes aside Gene McCarthy and then runs and then he

25:47 gives you know he's making headway and then he gets shot assassinated mysteriously in my opinion to this day and but this is beside the point i'm just want you to listen to the speech because it's quite kind of interesting if you listen to his words i think he has a makes a kind of a verbal typo but uh... it's it's funny to listen to it in uh... today's context here we go What I think is quite clear is that we can work together in the last analysis and that what has been going on within the United States over the period of the last three years, the divisions, the violence,

26:36 the disenchantment with our society, the divisions whether it's between blacks and whites, between the poor and the more affluent, or between age groups, or on the war in Vietnam, that we can start to work together. We are a great country and a selfish country and a compassionate country. And I intend to make that my basis for running and over the period of time. So did he say selfish country? that's what i heard i heard selfish it was this is not again one second was just saying age groups are on the war in vietnam that we can start to work together we are a great country selfish country compassion yeah and i have to make that my basis for running

27:14 Well, Bush was the king of this, you know, the king of these types of gaffes. And of course, Rumsfeld, who at one point said, yeah, you know, the plane we shot down over Pennsylvania? Oh, I mean, the one that crashed? I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I was highly amused by that because I'm watching this and I go, what? Good catch. Yeah, so I had to put that one out. Selfish. I also like the poor and not so affluent. What's the difference? Yeah, is that what I'm sorry I missed that one. Going on within the United States over the period of the last three years, the divisions, the violence,

27:54 the disenchantment with our society the divisions whether it's between blacks and whites between the poor and the more affluent uh... more and more excellent my mistake my bad alright so i thought that was funny now another one which is another clip that i got which has a little this is more of a local complaints and said you know i know i've got to get the dominate the show yes for this time and this time only enjoy no i don't know the opportunities i'm sure so uh... I want you to play the stolen car. This is one of the reasons everybody should have their own pod show because you have personal grievances.

28:32 I just want you to play, this is a clip from one of the TV stations, I think in the, down in the Salinas Valley, about a car ring that was, they've caught the guys and then they got all the cars back. And then there's this story ran and I, my jaw was just hitting the floor. And I'll explain why after you listen to the clip. Added three more arrests over the weekend bringing the total to more than 40 three more cars were seized adding up to more than 60 stolen cars off the streets plus 33 guns were taken along with a $1.4 million in drugs. And stolen car victims were able to reclaim their vehicles at the CHP's makeshift car lot today. A month ago, Maria Alejo had her 1994 Acura stolen from her driveway while she was finishing dinner. She had planned to buy a replacement car today when she saw a police photo in the newspaper that looked like her car.

29:27 I'm ecstatic because it's like, you know, the people that took this car, they don't know how hard it was for me and my daughter to come up with the money. You know, I'm a single parent, for me and my daughter to come up with the money and buy another, a second vehicle. The CHP will store the stolen cars for 30 days at a lot in San Martin. For more information, contact the CHP's Monterey office. A sign of economic confidence. Okay, alright, here's the deal. The CHP, the woman has a car stolen. It's reported stolen. The CHP has the car in their lot. She has to see it on T- Yeah, don't they know that it's hers? Isn't it registered to her? Yes, it has a license plate. And even if the license plates were taken off, it would have a VIN number, which is...

30:13 peculiar to the car and I presume that she had to had to prove there was hers so I would assume you have a baby I mean what are they still what it is do it if the cops steal the cars from the thieves so they can auction them off oh would not surprise me would not so we're news guys with this story what they asked this question what they say how come you had to watch see this guy did i get a chance to charge a new status you don't need just news guys you presume this to news got you mean journalists is that were just news guys I mean, please. I mean, what does it take to ask a simple question? Why is this woman having to see this thing on TV to go get her car when they should have called her immediately? Because you're probably right because it's a freaking scam. And you know, you can, by the way, you too can pick up vehicles really cheap at police auctions.

31:07 Yeah, I guess you're not getting enough drug cards anymore. Well, I was gonna say, I should go down there and say, hey man, that was my weed, dude. That was my weed, I saw a picture of it. It's exactly like my weed, I can prove it. Anyway, I found that extremely annoying to watch that story. I was in the car on the way to Heathrow Tuesday morning, and a real nice guy from Slovakia, I always like to talk to the drivers, because you know, find out where they're from. We were talking about the incredible traffic wardens in the United Kingdom. You need to turn down your speakers just a little bit, John. I'm going to give them a little bit of slap back. We're at what time? 43 minutes? You know, you hit it about the same time every week. Well, that's when it starts to really annoy me.

31:51 And he told me, because he told me the story where he had the flu and he'd been working for 12 hours. So he pulled over to the curb and he closed his eyes for like, you know, he had taken some flu medicine. And he's like, I got a little drowsy, I didn't feel too good. So I pulled over and he closed his eyes for like 10 minutes and he wakes up and the warden is putting a ticket under his windshield. and he's like, hey dude, you know, I could have passed out, I could have been dead, you know, why didn't you even attempt for a second to see if I was okay? No, instead you write a ticket. And then he proceeded to tell me that in the United Kingdom these traffic wardens actually have an incentive, a bonus incentive structure for every ticket they write. Wow. Yeah, whoa, whoa, indeed.

32:46 The UK is really screwed up. Oh, it is so messed up It really is and and I don't know if any of the continuing saga of the ministers of you know They've the for the first time in 300 years the speaker of the house had to resign over this expense. These ministers of parliament were using government money to do things like have their moat cleaned. I mean, I love that one. Oh, excuse me, the taxpayers have to pay to clean my moat. Everything from that down to a broken toilet seat. I mean, just outrageous. And the speaker, and the last time this happened was when actually they introduced freedom of the press.

33:30 which is the irony is not as is obvious the speaker had to resign because instead of going after these these these bandits and making them resign he went after the people who leaked the information to the press I mean that yes the UK massively screwed up massively Moat cleaned yes moat My moat clean. Yeah, this is a whole thing with you're allowed to to charge your secondary home in near Parliament to the taxpayer So you can still have a home in your constituency and that's really what it's for and there's all this trickery people You know bought homes and then sold them to family members and all kinds of crap and it's just it's

34:17 it's minor in the scale of of what's really going on and get my nation in the new world order but it really and again props to the daily telegraph for uncovering all this and and really blowing it out because it has opened up the eyes of the public and i a m until the next amy winehouse scandal at least they're thinking about it though they'll be some coming up shortly that i have to about time to about time We got to get in more celebrities Amy Winehouse is not carrying her weight. No she needs to step up to the plate Yeah, seriously Amy what you doing, baby? We need more real news God. What is her problem? Yeah? So well now of course we have what's the

34:57 The reality show I've been following a little bit on the here in the States of the of the the couple of eight children and this is like their 15th season and you know they have can makes a Kate makes eight and you know in CBS the whole morning all I mean there is some real stuff going on the world you never know what i was showing the more i hear about it the more i'm thinking is the worst thing ever put on television no no no that has to be the real housewives of new jersey that has to be the worst thing on top of my head see that you are all you have to watch a new episode every tuesday at ten

35:32 What's it called? Kate makes eight or something like that? Yeah. Kate eight? Yeah, I think that's it. But anyway, so her sister... John and Kate plus eight. Yeah, her sister and brother-in-law were on CBS this morning saying, you know, this is abuse. These children are being abused. They have no safe home, which of course is true. But in show business, that's okay, you know? It's entertainment. Yeah, baby! We love it. It is so vapid and empty. Thank God for shows like this. Well, we do our part. We do our part. Who's we? There you go. The Bush crowd. We always refers to the Bush crowd. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. This is no agenda. We are the Bush crowd. It is we.

36:26 Sorry, I finally got some jingles to play so yeah, I'm noticing well we gotta we gotta work them in yeah, okay, so here's okay I'm gonna do another third. I'm gonna kill some more time. You're another good good good. Good. There's some story Again, this is a more of a reflection of the news media than anything else. Oh By the way, so I ran it besides before I get to that. I ran it to Steve Gilmore today of the Gilmore gang Yeah, yeah, Steve. I for somebody I really get along with this guy. I've always liked Steve. He's actually a very funny person Yeah, I used to like him too and turn your turn until he turned into a total dick So anyway, he

37:06 He mentioned something to me today which I ended up putting on Tech 5 and I realized, I went over to the Google Developers Conference where I was literally thrown out because I didn't register by 9am. Like physically thrown out? No, I walked out after they wouldn't let me in but I made a fuss and got somebody in trouble. security have to escort you to the door Mr. Dvorak? Wait a minute, stop, stop, I want to hear, before you get into this Gilmore thing, what happened? I'm doing Cranky Geeks and I've got uh... louder back and uh... from race really men on the show today shows you started out to shoot watch it says actually were better shows quite funny because it was a passion roebly mentioned that we have a hundred and twenty five years of tech reporting to amongst the four of us which of course i said means that the show's gonna be terrible so uh...

37:59 It was a good show. But anyway, so Neilman says, yeah, I went over to the Google developers and says, any good? He says, eh, you know, it's not bad. And so as we were leaving, I'm heading back to the parking lot and he says, why don't you come over to the thing? He says, you can get in. I said, I don't have my, you know, I'm not going to be able to get in. Your credentials, your press pass. But I went back in, I went in there and I, you know, I went to the press thing and I found what I thought, I'm still probably going to write this up somewhere eventually. I found it to be like the entire, just a bunch of very sheepish Oh God, you know, you didn't, you know, the registration ended at 9 a.m. and we were not accepting any more media and we can't do this, we can't do that. And let me call somebody, let me call somebody, let me call somebody. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Isn't this a media-based event or is it purely for developers? No, no, I'll tell you, every media guy in the world was there, including Steve Gilmore.

38:47 But, no, it's a... But what do they have to do? They need time to check you? I mean, do they have to do a background check? I mean, what is the point? There's no point. Okay. It's just that somebody's made it a rule. Here's the point. Somebody made a rule and everybody's following it. Okay, so who did you get in trouble? a woman named, well I don't know if she's how much, she may be actually get a promotion was a woman named Megan Hughes who everybody deferred to. So you know we got to talk to Megan. Megan's the only one who could approve this. I already talked to Megan. She like snubbed me when I was there and she wouldn't even talk to me. You know it's because of this show she's probably an Obama bot. She doesn't even know who anybody is and she doesn't listen to the show.

39:32 So, I mean, it's obvious. But anyway, so then I made a fuss to some people who supervised her and then they apologized to me and said, yeah, you can come tomorrow. But of course you're not going to go. I might because there's a keynote in the morning I might check out but it's beside the point whether it's going to be a convenience thing. By the way, we're doing this on Wednesday evening just an FYI. Right so anyway but the point is what I was observing in fact I was talking to Gilmore about this was that was this weird little bureaucratic like this buzzing that was going around with people, nobody can make a decision, nobody could just say, okay, get in, get out of here, you know, get out of my face. They were just wasting a bunch of time on this, trying to find somebody else who can make a decision. Nobody would make a decision. And I was thinking, oh my God, is this what this company's devolving into one of those, all 20 somethings, by the way, devolving into one of these decisions, they can't make a decision, they can't think for themselves, they're all, they are just little robots.

40:30 I just, I was very concerned about it. Well that's the story right there then. That's the story. That is the story. How deep has this kind of cancer gone into the company? You have to wonder. When you start seeing stuff like that, I mean this is, you know, it's not rocket science to like, you know, figure out what your job is and to do it correctly. Yeah, but this is what happens with big companies who hire quick and explode and this is very normal and it'll hurt them somewhere, somehow. Oh yeah. No, I think so too and that's what I, but I was like just totally fascinated. I was just watching this. I was thinking, oh my God, this is ridiculous.

41:08 So anyway, so Gilmore went to an earlier session mentioned that HTML5 has got a new tag in it. The blink is back. Wouldn't that be funny? I didn't even know HCLL 5 was coming out. Didn't we lock that shit down with 3 or whatever? Yeah, you guess not. Did I like the blink thing? I don't think the blink's ever left. Not every browser recognizes it. I'm gonna check it out. I'm gonna start blinking my headlines on the blog. I remember back in the day, man. Boy, did we overuse that. We would blink and blink everything.

41:45 I loved Blink. So what is back? What is happening? They're adding a new tag so now you just like an href for a jpeg or a ping or a gif, an mp4 or any sort of video file which means you don't need to use flash anymore. Put five video on your blog or any place. Oh, that's not true because you know MP4 is still a container. I'm not saying just MP4, but it's all the video There's a video tag now. Yeah, like href, you know, it's basically I don't even know if there's any more

42:23 more complicated in just the same with a very similar to the to the photo tag you know you could always do in bed you could always do a attack that's a lot different than the browser doing it you couldn't bet you had to go to the browser the browser still has to fire up a player just just like this case it's in the browser that's the point house this is getting fired up so is this is this an i.e.tf standard this html5 how does that work well i'm just finding out mr tech journalist get thrown out of conferences You're trouble, Dvorak. You're nothing but trouble. That would have been better, you know, than just, you know, casual. I'm sorry, but the 9 o'clock deadline was not met.

43:03 It's like immigrations. These are the people that will be ruling the world in about 25 years. Well actually they are now. You've got an ABC News clip here to roll. Okay, first let me read a story that's under reported, it showed up on the blog as under reported news. Gasparini actually found it and I don't know why he sent it to me and then I posted it for him for some unknown reason. Under reported news ask yourself why you have to read this stuff on a blog. Okay, now this is a whole story. You can go to the blog and look up North Korea and you can get this whole thing and I'm just gonna read this part of the excerpt. Apparently North Korea's irked at the United States because there's a bunch of countries ganging up on them they think. So I'm gonna read you from the article.

43:51 North Korea, the North's anger was, and this is halfway through the article, the North's anger was provoked by the South's decision to join a US-led international security initiative established after the September 11th attacks to stop the spread of weapons of mass destruction. Quote, those who have provoked us will face unimaginable merciless punishment, unquote, said the military. the Groups 95 nations provides for the stopping of vessels to ensure they are not carrying weapons of mass destruction or the Components to make them the cell you ever let you ever look at the definition of weapons of mass destruction It's about as broad as terrorism right automatic weapons. Yeah grouped in there

44:46 Anyway, back to the quotes from the Koreans. It's getting better. Any tiny hostile acts against our Republic, including the stopping and searching of our peaceful vessels, will face an immediate and strong military strike in response, the North Korean statement said. It said its military would no longer... And this is the kicker. It said its military would quote, no longer be bound by the 1953 armistice that ended the Korean War in which the United States fought on the side of the South because Washington has drawn its puppet soul into the PSI. With no binding ceasefire it said, quote, the Korean Peninsula will go back to a state of war. Wow. And of course they've launched three nukes by now. They've done three nuke tests haven't they? Yeah, they've been doing a bunch of stuff.

45:34 so uh... but meanwhile they say they're gonna start restart the korean war if this goes any further now who is always there in this case is that the korean military and john yule's uh... crowd that crowd there no good so now so what will happen if they know with this kind of threat going on uh... that the korean war crime crack up again which seems you know i guess i mean you might want to report you know what that is right You might want to report on this. Here's today's ABC News.

46:09 with charlie gibson and here's the way that stories presented to the american public by the way charlie is uh... a news guy in case you're wondering he is a news guy secretary of state hillary clinton said today that north korea's recent military moves including an underground nuclear test this week were provocative and belligerent actions and she warned the north it will face consequences meanwhile the north threatened a military response if the u s or south korea tries to search north korean ships for equipment needed for its nuclear program.

47:03 In a 10 minute clip, and I haven't pulled it, one of our listeners slash producers sent it to me, former ambassador Donald Gregg is in that report. I'm just seeing the email now, so I'll have to pull that for Sunday's show because of course my uncle Don Gregg is the president of the Korea Society and he is, I think I can just safely say it, he is heavily involved in any talks between the Koreans, North and South. and the United States. I know from my private conversation with him, he has said continuously that there is a severe underestimation of the culture of the Koreans, in particular the North Koreans.

47:43 and you do not want to mess with them has always been his message to me so I'm gonna dive into that and I'm gonna try tomorrow to get a hold of him, he may even be in Korea for all I know I'm gonna see if I can get a hold of him to see if we can get some inside scoop because this is... and I'm surprised not seeing more of him well there's somebody, they're downplaying this and it's bugging me The Koreans do have a culture that has to win. I mean, you do business with them a different way. You always negotiate in such a way that they have to always feel they won. Yeah, they have to. Very much like a lot of Asian countries, they have to save face, etc. A lot of stuff like that. But the Koreans have little idiosyncrasies that are different than the rest of them because they've always been attacked.

48:30 and uh... so suddenly we should this is not a minor thing but it seems to be a computer was no our news is not much uh... you know but you know charles gibson says that he is a true news guy you know so he was a teleprompter as well as our president ninety-two well he was a little better because he can actually read into the camera where the president can seem to do that he can pull that trick off which is not that hard So anyway, so I was a little upset by that. Meanwhile, there are emphasizing and the same news stories cut right to the Pakistan situation.

49:08 And it seems to me as though, almost as though the government is like, said, okay you news guys, we're going to have to do something about Pakistan because these idiots over there, this Pakistani army can't handle anything. And I should have this news clip but I don't have it. But essentially they went, and I thought they were going to downplay a lot of this, but no, they actually went over the top with the Pakistan story. First, describing the fact that the in uh... lahore where they had this bombing that killed twenty thirty people they had uh... look like they were targeting the i s i offices which is the uh... need security essentially the c i a of pakistan it is uh... yes c and a uh... the cdn they were are credited with actually creating a little bit of our help the taliban in the first place

49:53 and the Taliban was then let to rule Afghanistan and now that we've rousted them I guess we're getting pretty good at getting the Taliban out of Afghanistan, enough so that they're in Pakistan attacking to take over the whole place. Yeah, well we gave them their playbook, you know, we taught them. So so they're in Pakistan and causing trouble and every time you turn around on our we got him backed off for you know They're good, and then they are in the Taliban when they want to cease-fire. They say okay. We're gonna go back to them We're gonna. We're gonna stop doing this we're gonna stop doing this really and it looks like one of those American wrestling matches from the 60s or 70s Yeah, where the guy said no no no don't hit me don't hit me don't hit me and then he gives it to one and one of the guy

50:33 so uh... we last saw what were the world really not happy well the the taliban situation there so it looks as though and the report had this interesting he had some editorializing it that i thought was a little telling any of these that were because it's a code word but it was telling and what it told me was that something's up in the wet they went something like this for city report to you this one guy on the ground and he actually had a foreign correspondent believe united there you know, not some guy standing in front of a green screen or whatever, or in the hotel. And he said that the Americans were praising the Pakistani army for pushing back the Taliban, but then there's this commentary that was that nobody thinks the Pakistani army has enough

51:24 on the ball as it were to uh... to do more than one or two fronts and now that they're being at least these some other groups i guess some of these jihadist groups that aren't necessarily taliban guard attacking here in their within the country you know uh... he he he may be more than they can handle it was put presented in such a way that it was like Oh, okay. So that means we're gonna have to go there next? I mean, that's what I was thinking. Well, no, but, you know, we're not. We're not going- Well, we are, because if they got A-bombs and the Taliban gets hold of one of those things, we're gonna- No, we're not! We're not, John, because all we're doing is we're sending troops to secure the poppy fields in Afghanistan to keep the drugs flowing.

52:06 Well, there may be some truth to that, but it doesn't mean we're going to put up with some Taliban. He's getting a hold of them. Well, you show me. You show me. We got no troops there. We got no movement. There's no plans. There's no contingency. And Obama, if you don't remember, he mentioned this when he was running for office about having to go into Pakistan. Yeah, but we're not. He's geared up for it. We're not. Yeah, you know what? Yeah, they said that about Vietnam. We're not going into Cambodia. No, he's not even saying we're not. It's just we're not. We are. What? We're not going into Pakistan. We're going to have people on the ground in Pakistan. Has that been announced? No, I'm just telling you. I can see this coming down Broadway. No, we're not. India's going to go in there and take over the whole country and kill everybody. That's not going to happen. Okay. Mark this down. All I'm saying is that this is a serious mess. Yeah.

53:02 Alright, what is the most popular weed these days? Increasing in popularity by leaps and bounds. Now selling for $9 a pound at specialty supermarkets. Dandelion? Yes! Correct. According to the Wall Street Journal. Interesting. I only say that because my wife has gotten involved in making dandelion honey and dandelion wine and dandelion syrup. Is this a yuppie thing? uh... she's not a yuppie no no but is this a yuppie thing where's this research where's this surgeon coming from? I had no idea, I didn't know until you mentioned this story I just took a wild guess I didn't know that this was going on I thought my wife was just doing something maybe she started dandelion-ing five years ago no man she's on the cutting edge dude no she's on the cutting edge well she's a visionary well she's got a spice book coming out on a recent saturday washington dc

53:54 Washington DC interior designer Morgan Green stopped at a produce stand and picked up some dandelion greens. Nine dollars a pound, no problem, says Mr. Green. These are as good as yuppie green as you can get. There you go, there's yuppie. Yeah, you can go check out my lawn dudes. The dandelion, no, no, because if you don't follow the organic rules you can get arrested for growing dandelions illegally and incorrectly. The dandelion, perhaps the most common weed at the mall, is seeing a huge surge in sales at grocery stores. Other long scorned greens making the leap to the dinner table include purslane, I don't know what that is, purslane?

54:36 It's a, yeah, I've seen it. I don't know if it's a type of parsley or something like that. I'm not sure. Lamb's quarters. And well this one I know about stinging nettles, of course in the Second World War it was very typical to make nettle soup and all kinds of... Yeah, if you cook them the stinging goes away. Yeah, and that's actually, it's kind of tasty. Throw a couple of rocks in there and you got yourself a meal. I'm telling you. Mmm, rocks and nettles. When I was a kid that's all we had. We used to make that at school in Holland. And they talk about the second... What do you mean rocks? Yeah, well rock soup, sure man. Yeah, so you throw in rocks and some stinging nettles and they said, this is what we used to eat in the war kids. You chew the rocks or you just what? No, no, no, you just put it in there for flavor.

55:29 It's the flavor crystals. What is the world coming to? Not sure how much nutrition you get from a boiled rock. I'd say it was for taste. That's what I'm saying, how do you even get any taste out of them? You know, the Indians up in the Haida's up further up north. I'm sorry, it just kills me. What? It's funny. So the height is used to take in that one of these, they have these, they cook soup in a, they have a cedar box that's watertight. These things cost a fortune to buy.

56:06 and you find them on Vancouver Island. You buy the cedar box and then they put the liquids and whatever food you're going to cook in them and then they take some rocks that are kept on top of the hottest coals imaginable so the rocks are just like red hot and then you drop them in the box and it boils the water and it's actually kind of an interesting way of cooking. Probably safer than sous vide. Yes, let's not go into that again. No one responded to that of course no one gives a crap Well, you know they I'm gonna still go no no you should you should I think it's a health and safety issue that is large Nobody cares about because it's not being covered by the major media One of our producers Alistair sent me some aviation news and it struck me he'd I don't even know if he caught it because he would hit the title of his email is bloody L stick to your 182 RG which is the type of aircraft I have and

57:06 You'll recall the, we went into some reasonable detail about the Turkish Airways crash near Schiphol Airport. So he sends me this article, the UKFAA, the AAIB, the Aircraft Accident Investigation Board, released a final report on an incident with a Boeing 737-300, and this is from September 2007. So just listen to the facts and then it'll probably strike you. The Boeing 737-300 was on approach to Bournemouth Airport, which is in southern England. It's an international airport but not like Heathrow or Gatwick. Following a routine passenger flight from Faro, Portugal, early in the ILS, that's the instrument landing system, approach, the auto throttle disengaged with the thrust levers in the idle thrust position.

58:00 The disengagement was neither commanded nor recognized by the crew and the thrust levers remained at idle throughout the approach. Because the aircraft was fully configured for landing, the airspeed decayed rapidly to a value below that appropriate for the approach. The commander took control and initiated a go-around. During the go-around, the aircraft pitched up excessively. Flight crew attempts to reduce the aircraft's pitch were largely ineffective. The aircraft reached a maximum pitch of 44 degrees nose up and the indicated airspeed reduced to 82 knots. That's like, you know, three knots before stalling and crashing and flying like a brick. The flight crew, however, were able to recover control of the aircraft and complete a subsequent approach and landing in Bournemouth without further incident.

58:47 This was exactly what happened with Turkish Airways. Although it was blamed on an altimeter, this is exactly the same scenario. However, this is a 737-300 and it was two years ago and it was a 400 series that happened outside of the Netherlands. Exact same scenario, throttle went to idle, the crew didn't notice it in the Turkers Airways incident, which by the way still is very very cloudy as to what happened. And I'm saying, whoa, can anyone please pull these two together, see the similarities and maybe call a significant issue with the Boeing 737s? Well somebody should.

59:35 Just a little bit of aviation news. I know it doesn't sound right. It doesn't sound like, oh, I've stumbled upon something huge, but in the world of aviation, it's huge. No, no, it doesn't sound this whole thing. I believe that there's software issues with a lot of these planes. And you know, there's different things that go on and it's like, you know, people make mistakes. But to have these two mistakes happen on very similar aircraft and... Yeah, it makes you think there's a subsystem that's faulty. Yes. Yes, so whether it's or some procedure or something. Yeah, it's It's a lot of those things. They always have this problem. They had this with that There's a there was a good book that came out about 15 20 years ago Called it was called software dangers of software or something like that. I'm gonna have to dig it up I do have it still in the library off and I'll find it in the next month or two and Well, what can I say? And but it did talked about

1:00:30 different kinds of catastrophes that have happened over the years and one of them was a famous one I think was turned into a TV show where some guy got onto a, you know, behind there was some radiation, piece of radiation gear that you, to irradiate you for some, you know, medical reason and if you put in a, if you apparently It only happened once in a while, but somebody went into the thing and instead of going at the very low amount, they basically roasted the guy. And then they tried to figure out how that happened and they couldn't figure it out and they figured the guy using the system had screwed up and they fired him and it was a big deal. Then it happened again.

1:01:08 one other time and then some software guy who knew what he was doing found that a series of you know mistakes in other words what had happened was instead of putting in the exact number and then hitting the button to go where you get that number apparently if you put in a different number than you wanted to erase it and you hit the backspace key two or three or four times and then you put it in again and then maybe backspace again that would never erased anything the backspace key didn't work right And so it just added more and more juice to this thing. And it turned out to be a software problem. And this is the kind of thing that you have one series of it, you study the exact

1:01:44 procedure that you went through which most of the time you can't do. And then you can replicate it and it keeps on happening. Right, but it's always some software thing. This is a reason we should probably... I've always been very, you know, I've always flown Enstrom helicopters which have the best safety record of all helicopters, never a single, I don't think there's ever been a single fatality ever in an Enstrom helicopter, but I also got into Eurocopters for a while Until I, you know, and there's a lot of auto, not really automation, but a lot of the systems are controlled by a computer in the Eurocopter. And I saw it boot once, I was like, oh, oh, it's Windows. I'm not too confident about flying this thing anymore.

1:02:24 I do not like it. I would not fly it. No. You know the joke about what if your car runs on windows or the analogy of a car? Yeah, there's a whole series of gags for about a year there was a million gags like that. Hey, maybe a perfect time, John, to bring up something we haven't talked about in at least a week since we were off air. And that's another one for the armory. So we do need to get some people, a lot of people since we bailed out for a week have like dropped their subscription. They hate us, they've dropped the actual, they've cancelled their donation subscription? Yeah. Well rightly so I guess. I understand it's minor crisis in my family. There's a few of them, there's like, I can name names but I won't. No you don't have to shame them. But there's a bunch of them.

1:03:17 We forgive you and we appreciate everything you've done for us. I'm a little disappointed by one guy though. Let's follow him up. Because then again, maybe they could transfer their $2 one to a $24 a year one. It's better. So we're going to, I've got the big list of people with the $1,500 and screwball numbers I'm going to run on our 100th show. And I don't have them for today, but I do want to encourage people to, we're going to be doing this show again. on track every week twice and uh... you know maybe we do a bonus show somewhere and uh... but generally say i don't see a problem again because we've done and and the only time that it's only in lights dire emergencies where we don't do the show i think we have a lot of material that were backed up on

1:04:02 and we'll catch up. And this wasn't even, it wasn't like a dire emergency, it was like I was ill, you know, and I was literally ill, so you know what happens with... and yeah I know you keep saying the Evergreen, but I don't believe in Evergreen shows because it's like, that's like lame, you know, it's like either we're current or we're not, you know, I'm sorry. I think the Evergreen show would be great, especially if it was in the can for a long time. And so did you hear about what Ed Kennedy said? No, it's just not good. Well, there's a couple things that we haven't touched on which are pretty big and I would like to hear your analysis of it. Number one, of course, with the big in the news in the United States, at least California gay union ban upheld. Anything you want to talk about there? Yeah, well, I mean, I was expecting that. Everybody's all bent out of shape. The gays are doing the wrong thing as usual. The reason it got passed in the first place

1:04:58 was because it was passed as a, not the world's greatest law, and then everybody went to court and then they, with activist judges, and I'm kind of interested in the fact that the liberals are the ones that keep talking about activist judges, or somebody does, but these activist judges have decided that, well no, we think that whatever the population of California thinks, we don't care, we're going to do, but how do we know whatever so they decided to overturn the thing and a whole bunch of got married and then they came up with uh... i don't know who was but a bunch of different religious people mostly came up with uh... proposition eight and then unfortunately they found that there is an idiot mayor from san francisco is crying representing i state someday gavin newsome he fits the profile was uh... yeah

1:05:48 uh... kind of a treat williams look alike type guy who's uh... he's a handsome man yeah totally and he uh... you know he's been around which we had a few babes so he uh... we've got on the point that you can do nothing about it now you guys just you talk to bad news is that He started writing the people who had voted in the law in the first place and had it thrown out. And he was like throwing it in everybody's face that you, the people of the state of California, whatever you think you can do, you can't because we can outperform you in court so you're screwed and he just went on and on like that. And I honestly believe

1:06:30 that because people are so up offended by that a because california's do have to redo pass all kinds of laws the public passes laws as we do with the rev referendums and it was a is a is a referenda whatever i don't know today whatever the case is we have these you this process or you can pass laws by the but they're trying to get their overturned by the way to try to get rid of it is getting more yes problem or you know i have a forbid there's actually a dumb i was a oh please let's stop that is tracks that's no good So the Californians, I think, were annoyed by this kind of taunting. A, so a lot of people voted for it. And then the Obama campaign, which was extremely, if you didn't notice, he won, but he brought out a lot of the black voters, and many of them are religious, and they don't like the idea of gay marriage in any way. And so the Obama vote probably was the one that pushed it over the top.

1:07:26 and now they're going right back to the courts again instead that what they should if they really want to get this done. I don't get it. If you have a referendum and it's not just like final when is it ever final? This is like the frickin' Lisbon Treaty. Is it ever final? When is it just done? It's always final. They just have to sue over it being unconstitutional or something like that which they found the first one was vague and crummy but they wrote the second one, this Prop 8, pretty ironclad and that's why the Supreme Court said hey You're on your own, we can't do anything. What they should do of course is try to find another referendum on the other side if they want to win this war that they've created for themselves. Now, that said, a friend of mine is over watching boxing.

1:08:08 And he brought up an interesting point, he says, why are all the liberals in particular, and the gays specifically, want marriage as opposed to civil unions when marriage is really something that's biblical? It's religious, yeah. We've been through this. Civil unions are legal, right? Yeah, and the thing, well not in California, I mean civil unions between same sex has to be passed too, but you could get that, but the gays say, no we don't want civil unions, period. We want marriage. Well, why don't we do the real problem, the way he sees it is this. Is that the state of California or the local civil, you know, all these, we should just take marriage out of the picture. You know, I am all for gay marriage because I really, really, really... I don't have a problem with it either, but let's get back to the point. But no, let me finish my point.

1:08:56 I really want everybody, every man, woman, whether you're gay, straight, transgendered, bisexual, homosexual, I want you to go through divorce as well. Please, you should have that right. You deserve that right. Yeah, Californians have gone through that gag a million times. a million times already. Okay, so let's go back to this idea. Get rid of marriage as a civil anything. It shouldn't even be on the books. If you want to get, have a civil union, you want to run off with your girlfriend and go to City Hall, you don't get married, you get a civil union right there, you sign on the spot. You want to get married, it's a religious thing, go to church.

1:09:34 Go to a church and get married and it will be up to the churches to say this marriage is okay, that one's okay. Isn't there supposed to be separation of church and state? Isn't that the whole deal? And marriage should be a church thing so you can get married and have a civil union. And otherwise go to another church that does allow it. And there will be plenty. But there's something else at work here because the whole thing is just nobody wants to do anything easy. Nobody wants, you know, it's almost like, you know, some people have nothing better to do, John. They got nothing better to do. And by the way, look at the signs. They're professionally made. These are professional print jobs. Yeah, no, I agree. That's always, you gotta watch out for that shit when you see professional signs. We forgot to mention it's Dvorak.org slash NA or NoAgendaLibrary.com. What's gonna keep this show alive, and especially now that I'll be needing some extra income.

1:10:32 It's not that funny. There's news that we bring to you way ahead of anything that shows up in print and I just want to refer again to the Wall Street Journal today. We told you this when the PPIP plan was announced, the website was up, we looked at it, we We uncovered the total scam that it really is of just a way to get all the toxic assets off the books of banks. It's known as the PPIP. And so today, a headline on money and investing is that Section C1 of the Wall Street Journal. The industry, banking industry,

1:11:08 lobbies the FDIC to let some buy toxic assets with taxpayer aid from their own banks. Exactly what we told you was going to happen. They're taking your taxpayer money, they're going to buy up their own assets really cheap to get it off their books and still own it. And you will own 80% of the crap. And you will own almost nothing of the upside. You, the taxpayer. You know, the taxpayer bunch. And there it is in black and white in the paper. Like some big discovery from the Wall Street Journal. Big discovery, guys. I also looked at the reporting as promised in mayrecovery.gov. Well, it's going to take me a month to figure out these reports. As simple as the website was, now the reporting is out. Oy, oy, gewalt.

1:12:01 it's impossible to understand what they're actually reporting other than a lot of money is going to a lot of teachers. Well you want to get the teachers on your side so you can you know push your agenda. Exactly, push your stupefying agenda. And June 17th coming up very soon I'm still tracking that date very significant you should know what it is Mr. Dvorak. I'm sorry what's the date again? June 17th is the sentencing date for Bernard Madoff Oh, that should be good for a laugh. Well, and you know, and I just want to reiterate my prediction that there will be no sentencing, there will be an international financial court, a banker's court, and it will have to go to the banker's court and once they start having some kind of influence over law when it comes to finance and banking, they will actually start to become law. Yeah, I like your theory but I don't think that's going to happen. I think he's going to get, they're not going to, the public is not going to allow

1:13:00 Your scenario to actually take place. Oh, please John they were they were allowing the banks to Forget about it. Don't get me started You know this whole Madoff thing, here's the scam, okay? 50 billion dollars. And of course that's the big question, where'd the money go? 50 billion, so take a million dollars, so a million dollars, imagine what a million dollars looks like in paper. Now, multiply that by a thousand, so it's a thousand million and then 50 times that. So I have my own thoughts where that money went to. I personally believe it went into Israel, it's been put into weapons, probably to kill Arabs or something like that. But when you really think about the scam, a lot of the investors were insured against losses in that money. What company insures those types of losses? Don't even answer, I'll give you the answer. It's AIG.

1:13:55 a i g was bailed out by us the taxpayer it's a hustle it's a big hustle and and and someone's laughing on by the way everyone got paid off with bonuses billions of dollars of bonuses and it's all coming up with all coming up and you're going to go below all the way all eighty white house is more important uh... and what that's all what the bill is what the show with those eight children this is a new voice that's that's my idiot idiot voice and of course it does not include any of our producer listeners who are on the ball and smart but propagate this information please tell people how we're being hustled and scammed it's just you know sad

1:14:36 Well, it's sad that we're not on that side of the fence so we don't have to talk about it. We can just be sipping champagne in Paris. And we could, you know, that is a choice. Both of us could make it any time, by the way, John. There's plenty of hustle to get into. I mean, we can still participate in all this, but no, we choose for what is righteous. We're righteous dudes, man. Yeah, dude, and we're not even baked. All right, then finally, because we are nearing our allotted time, we want to talk about the nominee for Supreme Court. I don't think we can talk about it. We can save that. We can save that. It's still boiling away. There's a lot of controversy surrounding this nominee. My favorite controversy is the Joe Biden comments when they picked Clarence Thomas.

1:15:24 and he said that i would be a big and you know person is always a pic because it's it's a you know publicity stunt i get a black man if he was white he said this if he was white they want to pick them and fantastic and does anyone remember and the india hill scandal do you think any of our listeners even old enough to remember the clinton allies most of the world now and i was a clout google this is a good hair on the coke can yes and google long dong silver if you want to ask if you wanna laugh and that is what is on our supreme court you know a a a a a harassing pubic hair coke pudding long dong silver porn watching dude turns out to be if you ever see my talk show or being uh... interviewed he's a he's a great guy well of course he watches porn and he's gotta be a good guy i'm not against him i'm just saying i said that i was bull

1:16:20 You don't think that was true? You don't think that harassment thing was... I thought the evidence was pretty freaking compelling. I don't know. I was skeptical. The whole thing was too much of a setup. And that woman was a bit much. I'm skeptical that it was... I need to know that woman. I need a hill that you know that's pretty bad woman that i have to call that is pretty sexist you know whenever a woman has what a parent or comes with what should be a legitimate complaint about sexual harassment it comes up a little late in the game you know, years and years and years after the fact you come out and you say all this stuff it's just a little sketchy to me unless the guy's like a serial killer and somebody says well that and you start to put two and two together because all these people come out of the woodwork with new information. John, one of these days, it'll take five or six years

1:17:12 but i will eventually have to come out and tell you tell that tell the people that you touch me inappropriately i mean when i see that's this is what i'm talking about this is the kind of thing when it benefits me i will bring it out yeah you got to save that stuff man until you get a lawyer who's really going to help you end of the question is what would be inappropriate for you anyway that's that is how vile you actually are Alright, well we've just about filled it up. I think we stop while we're still ahead. I don't know we ever got ahead. So I'm going back to getting

1:17:56 get my nation east to europe uh... and thursday i come out to san francisco for an entire month the time is something the timing could not be workers where you've what you're flying with what to airport you're flying out of when you come back well maybe i should mention that because you know now that uh... i can i get a message off the air but i i want to pick some stuff up for me at duty free so sure i'd be happy to have been it's it's a massive bummer because this is exactly not what i want to be away from my daughter So that sucks. And by the way, I want to thank everybody for sending me beautiful emails and encouragement, non-judgmental one way or the other. That's highly appreciated. And anyone who has experience in my situation, particularly as it regards children, I would love to hear your experiences. I definitely need help.

1:18:51 Now we do have the no agenda forums where people are chiming in. Go to noagendaforums.com. Is there a noagenda wiki? I don't know, there might be. On the 100th show we're going to have to plug all these guys. I mean we still have Cage Match and Bubba still does his thing and we can't leave him behind. We have a lot of people. And don't forget to go to the noagenda library.com or Dvorak.org slash NA and help us out so we can keep the show going. So we should do something really special for episode number 100 like actually do an episode. Prepare. Yeah, please. Stop threatening. Just get some jingles up. That'll be good enough. Everyone, that's all people really want to hear. They really want the jingles? Okay, for the 100, I'll tell you what, you get the website up and I'll put the jingles there. Yeah, okay. Where's the website, man? Where's the website? Wait till number 200. We'll have something for you guys.

1:19:45 Alright, time for me to go to bed. It's past midnight here in New York. So coming to you from, I should just say, the lovely Empire Hotel in New York City, Gitmo Nation East. It's not bad, 220 bucks a night. Fantastic special promotion. My name's Adam Curry. You should be comped. I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll talk to you on Sunday for episode number 100 of No Agenda.