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00:00 ISIS is actually coming across the border, John! Adam Curry. John C. DeVora. It's Thursday, August 24th, 2017. This is your award-winning Get Mo' Nation Media assassination episode. 9 or 5, 8... This is no agenda. Protecting your amygdala from embiggenment and coming to you from the darkest corners of the internet in downtown Austin, Tejas, capital of the drone star state, In the Cluedio, In the Morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where the Zephyr was on time today, I think, I'm John C. DuBois. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. Ah yes, always the standard Zephyr. Perfect. So I'm learning what Cluedio is all about.

00:42 As in Clu-Clu-Cludio? As in Clu-Clu-Clu-Cludio, yes. Uh, Christina's visiting. From the lowlands with her girlfriend. And the Cludio is the closet right off the guest bedroom. Man, girls bring a lot of stuff. So now she's not one of the light packers. No, she actually is but I'm it's amazing how much came out of these suitcases and I'm just engulfed I gotta take a picture of it. I'm engulfed in clothes here There's no place to buzz in the house. Well, it's the one where the studio is with the why would they use that? Well, actually probably it helps the sound damn. Oh, the sound is beautiful. It's just I can barely open the door anyway

01:31 It's all good. We are on the air everywhere, sir. Good. So, she brought a girlfriend? Yeah. No, her girlfriend. Is she hot? Yeah, totally. That's sick. You asked me! I only did it because you're always saying that to me, so I figured I'd turn the tables. Well done. Hey, the most emailed clip and song, I must have at least five different versions. that came in and Tina actually called it. We were watching TV, she's like, oh my god, that's an ISO. I gotta say. We got another one here. It just goes on and on and on. Everybody caught it. And it's so perfect. It's right in the rhythm. Right in the rhythm.

02:34 Very funny. There's another song that came in that cracked me up when I heard it. Oh, yeah, I know what you yeah, oh well, yeah, we can actually play it now because It'll be in the end of show, but it's very fun. It's kind of in the line. It's funny because of the because it's it's It's just funny because of the way it's structured. Yes those statues down and then we'll burn all of the books Let me see what life is like without historical crooks In other words, rewrite the timeline In other words, kill the white man

03:28 Dean the fat nerd very good Dean. He's on a roll with his little his little songs. Yeah, I sent him a no I ever heard baguette, so I guess he does Crosby. I'm sorry you're Sinatra Sinatra Yeah, so he can just do a Sinatra song so that's that it opens up a lot of once once you have You know Sinatra or Bennett you can do any of the American songbook then you know that stuff writes itself. Yeah, I And of course it continues even in my backyard here downtown, actually just a little north of downtown Austin. Well the decision was made by a group of people according to the university president but he did give the order to take those statues down. Now if you've been to the main mall here at UT Austin then you'll notice that things look quite different this morning. All along the campus you will see blank slabs of granite just like that one. Now I wish I could tell you who was on top of

04:22 top of that granite statue was there but they had all of the names covered up with a black piece of paper, black piece of tape there and there are four of them that have been removed. They include all military or political leaders of the Confederacy, General Robert E. Lee, former Texas Governor James Stephen Hogg, I as we've seen in other parts of the country. Now, I did find a copy of the letter from the university president Greg Fenves on the school's website. It says that he had formed a task force back in 2015 after the church shootings in Charleston, South Carolina. They began discussing the impact of these statues on different people throughout the community. But then

05:21 Then after what happened last weekend in Charlottesville, Virginia, that is when he met again with students, faculty and alumni and decided to remove these statues and then relocate them. From what we understand, the statues of Lee, Johnston and Reagan are all being moved to the Briscoe Center for American History. The statue of former Governor Hogg will be relocated and they haven't decided where, but they may put that somewhere else on this campus. Good some controversy in our future. That's nice. I'm moving into something another target I think you should get ready for I think they should tear down the Alamo Wow well, then you know the the cool thing about the Alamo in San Antonio The only original piece is the door everything was rebuilt to that extreme. I'm pretty sure it's just the door Yeah, it's just the door this time. I haven't heard that did you have that somebody verify that? Because the place is really beat up

06:18 Yeah, it's it's it's a little disappointing when you go there you think oh, there's no it. Yeah, there really isn't And Alamo, that's a good one which would be fine. They should get rid of it cuz it really is an insult to the Mexicans ago I'm sure you heard about the the ESPN announcer the play-by-play guy Robert Lee I have a nice guy named Robert Lee. It's not Robert Ely's just Robert Lee I have a little clip just for the kicker at the end ESPN pulling an Asian American American announcer from its upcoming broadcast of a University of Virginia football game. because of his name. Because his name happens to be Robert Lee. And unfortunately for him, he happens to share the same name as the Confederate Civil War General Robert E. Lee. And you know, ESPN is all worried that somehow this guy's name itself might offend its viewers. Joining me right now, Dan Gaynor from the Media Research Center. Am I living in some kind of

07:15 Alternative universe now where this alternate universe yes, yes The alternate universe that's right. Yes. It is the alternative universe did you read the Scott Adams piece on hallucinations no no I didn't was it good. It's his latest blog thing yes It's quite good fact is my wife who read it told me to read it uh-huh And it's a version of the alternate universe theory, but he brings up. He brings up a A number of interesting points and I want to reiterate one of them. And it's about the alternate universe. If your side wins, then you're all in. And if your side loses, you dream all this crazy stuff up, which we've seen to an extreme this time because it's never really gone this far.

06:18 Yeah, it's it's it's a little disappointing when you go there you think oh, there's no it. Yeah, there really isn't And Alamo, that's a good one which would be fine. They should get rid of it cuz it really is an insult to the Mexicans ago I'm sure you heard about the the ESPN announcer the play-by-play guy Robert Lee I have a nice guy named Robert Lee. It's not Robert Ely's just Robert Lee I have a little clip just for the kicker at the end ESPN pulling an Asian American American announcer from its upcoming broadcast of a University of Virginia football game. because of his name. Because his name happens to be Robert Lee. And unfortunately for him, he happens to share the same name as the Confederate Civil War General Robert E. Lee. And you know, ESPN is all worried that somehow this guy's name itself might offend its viewers. Joining me right now, Dan Gaynor from the Media Research Center. Am I living in some kind of

07:15 Alternative universe now where this alternate universe yes, yes The alternate universe that's right. Yes. It is the alternative universe did you read the Scott Adams piece on hallucinations no no I didn't was it good. It's his latest blog thing yes It's quite good fact is my wife who read it told me to read it uh-huh And it's a version of the alternate universe theory, but he brings up. He brings up a A number of interesting points and I want to reiterate one of them. And it's about the alternate universe. If your side wins, then you're all in. And if your side loses, you dream all this crazy stuff up, which we've seen to an extreme this time because it's never really gone this far.

08:01 As it has but I want to remind people of a classic example of this which began It didn't that I know it didn't begin with Reagan because Reagan was you know kind of old When he left office he was not gonna run again for a third term But it began with Clinton in earnest and if you remember Everybody's talking about Bill Clinton. He's gonna run for a third term well. They said that about Obama, too Ah they said it about Bush Well, I think with Bush it was, he was going to declare martial... It's always the same really. Martial law, martial law. Yeah, martial law and then we'll have a third term. No, it started with Clinton and it went to Bush and Bush did the same thing. He's gonna run for a third term, he's gonna be king and all the rest of it. Yes, I remember that.

08:51 And then they did the same thing with Obama. Obama gets in and he's gonna always gonna declare martial law at the end. He's gonna run for a third term and become king and wreck the country. And we can expect, unless they manage to somehow get Trump not to run for the second term, which is he's gonna be the oldest president ever. And so he might just drop out and give it to Pence. If he runs, but he's already collecting money to run in 2020, so he would get a second term. Then everyone would freak out and start making up the same bullcrap that he's going to run for a third term, even though he'd be like 90. I mean, it's a very funny article by Scott Adams that's well worth reading.

09:33 I kind of stopped reading Scott Adams and the reason really is because I have periscope on my phone and it's only one one account that I follow if that's him. I condemned him for this. Yeah, he should be condemned. It's too much. It's too much and the Pope had I didn't get that. I've only... I have not watched... You're talking about his videos. Yeah, well that's the Periscope is his videos. Yeah, Periscope videos. Yeah, yeah. And so he's got the camera one inch from his face and it's like he looks like somebody from 1984. Yeah, I don't care about that. It's just too much. He's like four or five times a day. It's too much. And then you say, I'm not interested about that. And then you start... Get a show, Scott. Get a show.

10:16 Well, the pull the statues down has propagated, as I'm sure it will all over the world. There's all kinds of statues that are going to be coming down. I can certainly see a lot of perceived war memorials and all kinds of stuff. I think this is great. Yeah, well here's Candanavia, our neighbours. The decision to remove the name of Hector Langevin from the Prime Minister's office building has now sparked a debate about other buildings in this country. Now some teachers in Ontario are raising concerns over schools named after Canada's first Prime Minister, Sir John A Macdonald. The Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario has now approved a motion that quote calls upon all

09:33 I kind of stopped reading Scott Adams and the reason really is because I have periscope on my phone and it's only one one account that I follow if that's him. I condemned him for this. Yeah, he should be condemned. It's too much. It's too much and the Pope had I didn't get that. I've only... I have not watched... You're talking about his videos. Yeah, well that's the Periscope is his videos. Yeah, Periscope videos. Yeah, yeah. And so he's got the camera one inch from his face and it's like he looks like somebody from 1984. Yeah, I don't care about that. It's just too much. He's like four or five times a day. It's too much. And then you say, I'm not interested about that. And then you start... Get a show, Scott. Get a show.

10:16 Well, the pull the statues down has propagated, as I'm sure it will all over the world. There's all kinds of statues that are going to be coming down. I can certainly see a lot of perceived war memorials and all kinds of stuff. I think this is great. Yeah, well here's Candanavia, our neighbours. The decision to remove the name of Hector Langevin from the Prime Minister's office building has now sparked a debate about other buildings in this country. Now some teachers in Ontario are raising concerns over schools named after Canada's first Prime Minister, Sir John A Macdonald. The Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario has now approved a motion that quote calls upon all

10:54 school districts to examine and rename schools and buildings named after Sir John A Macdonald in recognition of his central role as the architect of genocide against indigenous peoples. Why is this so important to the Teachers Federation and could it draw other critical eyes to McDonald's Memorial. I love that he was the architect of the genocide of indigenous peoples, which means we, I mean, just wait for the Redskins. This is going to come to such a brewing point. Well, you know, now that you mention the Redskins, it's possible that that all this that we're witnessing is always been about the Redskins. Because that's one place where the liberals have failed, dropped the ball. They cannot get these guys to change the name of that team. Now, this guy, he's also on the, I think, the $10 bill in Candanavia, $5 or $10 bill. Should be. Which, of course, we have to watch out for as well because we should be, you know, if you see any anybody who's against this, these races, you should tell them to burn their money.

11:57 Hey, you got a bill, you got a no agenda show. No, just burn it. Anyway, here's the president of the teachers union. His name is on schools and is on money and is in other places in this country for those reasons, is it not? And what is wrong with honoring that part of his legacy? I think there's a difference between honoring that part of his legacy on a highway or on a dollar bill or on a ten dollar bill. Really? But when you have his name on a public school where, you know, arguably, and I don't think this is arguable, I think it's an absolute, that all of our children need to be able to be safe and feel inclusive. Safe? And to feel like the name that is on that building- Is the sign going to fall on us?

12:45 on him. They don't feel safe. I'm glad you picked up on it. Yeah, they don't feel safe because of the name. To be able to be safe and feel inclusive and to feel like the name that is on that building represents the values that we have as a society. And you know, the truth and reconciliation was, was very clear about the treatment of our indigenous populations. And, um, I think those are the reasons behind it. So I don't think at this point there's any conversation around changing the name of the McDonald-Karcher Highway or getting his face off the $10 bill. But our schools, our public schools, are something vastly different. Oh! Yeah, he thinks so.

13:28 It's all this if you're gonna take his name off the school because the kids don't feel safe It's even worse that they have a $10 bill or whatever bill it is that is on Yeah, the kids not gonna feel safe holding the bill. No Very unsafe. Oh, he's gonna be on a freeway named after the guy. He can't drive on that You're gonna kill us on this horrible freeway Meanwhile a lot of people sent me The following, I must be making the rounds on the social medias, a picture of the Lincoln Memorial, which we have discussed will be defaced. And so it's a piece of the memorial which has an inscription and then underneath it there's a little... I'm going to read this. So the inscription is, my enemies pretend that I am now carrying on the war for the sole purpose of abolition.

14:19 So long as I am president, it shall be carried on for the sole purpose of restoring the Union." And then underneath it says, interview with Alexander Randall, Washington, D.C., August 19th, 1864. Lincoln had issued the Emancipation Proclamation two years earlier, but he was still working to convince people in the North that the Civil War was being fought for the principle of Union, not the abolition of slavery. Get your Sharpies, because this has to go. Oh yeah. This has to go. You know, I was thinking about this the other day. Does this not settle the dispute once and for all? I didn't even know this. I'm very surprised. Yes, I was thinking about this and people were saying, well, the whole war was about slavery and slavery and slavery. And I have to recall some of them when I was, because I studied that period. They're trying, they're almost arguing that the North, the North was actually worse than the South in terms of being racist.

15:19 I mean, they didn't even want blacks in the North at all. And then what the few that got up there, you know, they were kind of like shunned. I would I just anyway, the argument can go on, but I keep recommending this Kenneth Stamp book when people want to. You can read about all the different arguments that took place during that era about what this war was about. And and the war between the states is what it should be called the war. And we're going to say that the war between the states, because this what we're witnessing now is an actual civil war. This is more like, yes, much more like a civil war. In a police state like we were in, and it's not going to get better. Oh yes, and again, what you're seeing people pulling down statues of oppressors is because people feel oppressed themselves right now. It's a way to vent, and it's very understandable, but there's a lot more we could pull down. I got some obelisks in mind.

16:13 I did think it was a big over list mark Stein a Giant wall watch the memorial the monster, but you would pull it pull him down the big one. Oh bad idea Washington is that that giant? Thing in the middle of the of the mall yeah, there's huge That's the Washington Memorial right isn't that the name of it. I believe so Washington Monument. It's got a Washington Monument. I'm a moral monument Washington Monument, right yeah He's buried it. Mark Stein sometimes fills in for Tucker and I guess he filled in for Rush Limbaugh. He used to fill in for Limbaugh all the time. I never listened to that. But he had a funny take on Antifa and the statues and Black Lives Matter. And so half these young white people, the ones toppling the statue of Johnny Reb, the Civil War guy.

17:02 in Durham, North Carolina. Most of them are pasty-faced white young white people who've decided to check out of being white people and they're effectively doing a sort of identity politics minstrel show. It's the 21st century version of a 19th century minstrel show but they don't actually put on the boot polish anymore but they're still saying, oh I really wish I was black so here I I'll topple this Civil War statue. And on the other side, you've got these dress-up Nazis. Again, they're basically like the edgier version of the Civil War reenactors. They're camping around with their tiki torches, pretending to be stormtroopers, because for

17:41 For as long as they can remember, they've been told that white people are Nazis. If you tell Mitt Romney he's a Nazi, if you tell Donald Trump, most of whose family are now Jewish and Orthodox observant Jews, if you tell all these people they're Nazis, why would he be surprised that a few of these young white guys don't think, hey, this Nazi thing sounds pretty cool. LARPing is what it is. LARPing. Nailed it. Very good. LARPing and cosplay. And yes, and there's lots of virtue signaling from Hollywood and of course George and Amal couldn't be left out. In response to protests in Charlottesville, Virginia earlier this month, George Clooney and his humanitarian lawyer wife Amal Clooney have donated $1 million to the Southern Poverty Law Center, a US non-profit that monitors extremists and domestic hate groups.

18:36 The couple, who recently became parents after their twins Ella and Alexander were born in June, released a joint statement about the incident which saw a woman die while protesting against white nationals. They said, what happened in Charlottesville and what is happening in communities across our country demands our collective engagement to stand up to hate. The donation comes from the Clooney Foundation for Justice, which the couple established in 2016 to promote justice in classrooms and courtrooms around the world. Very good George by the way a mall did they name did they name one of their kids? Hey, did they name one of their kids Allah Allah? No, I don't know what he said then the kids name. I'll have to go back was it the end there? Listen, I was at the beginning. Oh

19:24 No, no, her name is Amal. Maybe you got confused. No, they named the two kids and I thought he said Allah. In response to protests in Charlottesville, Virginia earlier this month, George Clooney and his humanitarian lawyer wife, Amal Clooney, have donated $1 million to the Southern Poverty Law Center, a US non-profit that monitors extremists and domestic hate groups. The couple who recently became parents after their twins Ella and Alexander were born. Yes, Allah of Snackbar. What is his name? Aliwall Stackbar! Yeah, I guess. So I really wanted to find something from Southern Poverty Law Center, you know, because this group interests me and they certainly don't need their million dollars. They have about half a billion in the bank. Just go look up their 990. They do 300 million a year. It's really crazy how much money they bring in. They've done a good job. But I did find, and this was beautiful on C-SPAN,

20:23 I found a guy from ProPublica. And ProPublica is, you know, we've had our eye on this outfit. His name is AC Thompson, and they are doing a project called documenting hate. It's very similar to the Southern Poverty Law Center's heat map of hate groups, which has the most... it's like Girl Scout troops on it and stuff. Not really, but there's definitely borderline, borderline groups on it that really, I don't know. I mean, you can call anything a hate group, I guess. And I pulled a couple of clips because I thought it was rather interesting. Here's his intro explaining ProPublica, which we've always wanted to know a bit more about. You're meeting AC Thompson. He's with ProPublica, the publication and one of the main people behind their documenting hate project. Joining us first a little bit about ProPublica. Tell our viewers what that is. So ProPublica is a nine-year-old nonprofit investigative newsroom.

21:23 We have about 75 employees. Most of them are reporters and we have won the Pulitzer Prize I believe four times now. And so who backs your publication? Who supports it? You know a lot of different folks do. Big philanthropic foundations, individual donors. Increasingly, we're trying to actually develop some businesses and bring in some money. But basically, we give our stories away for free to sort of fill the breach in the news media that's developed over the last 15 years, where there's fewer and fewer investigative reporters out there. So if you're a news outlet and you want to run a pro publica story, you are absolutely able to do that for free.

22:05 Two things. One is, well three things really, starting with the last. So he's advocating that their journalism can be used by anybody because their journalism is right journalism because they don't have any commercial interest. Except, sounded like they're working on, he said, business to try and get some money in. Sounded like they're on the cusp of doing some commercial stuff. I don't know. Yeah, which would break their model. But more interesting... I don't know if it would. Why? I mean, what if it's like us taking commercial money? Of course that would change it. Well, I don't... Their model is not... Our model is we can't take commercial money because it would hurt our product. That's what I thought their model was too. I didn't hear that. No, but they're non-profit. Well, just because they're non-profit doesn't mean that they...

23:00 give a crap about you know i mean no no i know i know i believe me bbs believe me i know i of course i know that i think they're pro propaganda is where they should change their name ah Well, that's a different... But, and I'm jumping ahead here, the first call that came in was this question. AC Thompson with us from California. First call for you comes from Mike. He's in Maryland, Republican line. You're on with the guests. Go ahead, Mike. Hi, AC. Who's your largest private funder? What's his name? I have no idea. It's Soros. Everybody knows that.

23:37 I have no idea. Yeah, I have no idea. Yes, I have no idea. And then they're just done. The call's done. Of course he's a liar. Then the whole wind up, yeah, we got, you know, philanthropic people, we got rich donors, but we don't, I don't know who the liar is. When they want to start a business, they got Soros. Soros must be, they must fear something about Soros. He's going to pull the plug. Well, I believe that, You know, we're going to do some business stuff to get some money and may have been a veiled message saying, hey, you know, we're hard up here. You better, hey, George, like cut a check, please. I would like to know what their numbers are. Numbers are in the millions. It's not that much, though. It's like in the 10, 10 a year. 10 million? Yeah. For 75 people, though. You know. Oh, well, they overstaffed. Well, it's free money.

24:32 Okay, now we move on. Why the hate project? What led to the creation of this project? Yeah, there was a sort of interest in our newsroom from two different camps. So my friends in the nerd side, the data folks, they were interested because... By the way, that's so condescending. We need to stop that. I'm against this. Nerds, the nerd folks, the data folks. It's very degrading. And you want to keep... You know the funny thing is, I'm gonna have to throw this in, a lot of nerds, especially the women, don't find it degrading at all. They think of it as a compliment. I think women want to be called geeks, not nerds. There's a difference. Okay, well, I can't, when I had my, I had a brush up, a dust up with Veronica Belmont.

25:26 Over this yes, and I can't remember what was the term nerd or geek I'm I've I've kind of kept track of it, and I think the girls love to be called geeks. I'm a geek okay Well, let it slide. I don't care, but it doesn't matter. It's just it's just it's degrading It's not nice you talk folks like those folks over there that stuff that folksy stuff Yeah, when it comes down to it You're gonna want your dude named Ben to save your ass broseph what led to the creation of this project? Yeah, there was a sort of interest in our newsroom from two different camps. So my friends in the nerd side, the data folks, they were interested because they realized that there was a paucity of accurate data about hate crimes in the US. The federal statistics are frankly a joke and the federal government will tell you that. They're compiled by the FBI. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. The FBI's numbers are a joke and they'll tell you that?

26:20 They will? Well, look, hate crime has been something that has been tracked for a while now. We've been tracking the tracking. And now to say the federal government numbers are crap, you got to believe our numbers, the FBI keeps track of them but they're crap? Hmm, nice. The federal statistics are, frankly, a joke, and the federal government will tell you that. They're compiled by the FBI. And about 20 percent of the law enforcement agencies in the country don't participate in the hate crimes program. And then a lot of the ones that do nominally participate don't submit good data. So, the folks in our data shop were fascinated by that. For me, I was fascinated by the stories that we were seeing around the election time and in the build-up to the election of what seemed to be a new wave of racist,

27:11 violence and bigotry that had political overtones. And so I was interested in the narratives. We got together and we said, hey, what we're going to do is create a platform where anyone who believes they've been the victim of a bias incident or a hate crime can submit their story to us. We will build a coalition of newsrooms and we will go out and investigate and vet those stories. And that's what we've done. Collected more than 3,000 incidents. Oh 3,000 boy that'll really knock out the FBI's records So let me get this straight. So they think that the government data is shit, probably because it's not showing what they want to see. Not high enough. Not high enough. Whatever they want to see. They're more of a hateful country than the FBI wants to admit. Exactly. So we need to create our own data and the way we do it is we go to people and say, tell us your story. Because yeah, that, that is very trustworthy.

28:12 So how does he do this? Well, they verify. They verify it. Oh, and you know where this is going. I mean, obviously. You know that all of this project is for one thing and one thing only. To destroy the country. Well, no, that's the outcome. No, this is all about Trump. Hello. Oh, yeah. Hello, pro propaganda. They get paid, they get paid from donors to do this, and they have new results, and of course we know what's going on. This is why we need to do this project now! What we have are all these accounts, and we go out and verify the accounts, and if they look suspicious, we- That's weird. I mean, I understand that he's using the term account as an incident, and someone's recalling of the incident.

28:56 an account, but when you say the word account and verified in the same breath, it's weird. It makes me think of Twitter verified. I don't know. It's something... It's very... It's unusual usage, yes. It's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. What we have are all these accounts... Maybe you're going to get a little blue check mark on your jacket if you've been verified, if you have a verified hate crime account. That's a great idea. right? Verified victim of hate crime. But, when we verify these accounts, we find sort of three major trends. And one is what seems to be a surge in anti-Semitism. The second is what is clear... You hear what he... He has... Listen, he's doing data. The data folks. The data shop. But why does he use these words? We find sort of three major trends. And one is what seems to be... Seems to be.

28:12 So how does he do this? Well, they verify. They verify it. Oh, and you know where this is going. I mean, obviously. You know that all of this project is for one thing and one thing only. To destroy the country. Well, no, that's the outcome. No, this is all about Trump. Hello. Oh, yeah. Hello, pro propaganda. They get paid, they get paid from donors to do this, and they have new results, and of course we know what's going on. This is why we need to do this project now! What we have are all these accounts, and we go out and verify the accounts, and if they look suspicious, we- That's weird. I mean, I understand that he's using the term account as an incident, and someone's recalling of the incident.

28:56 an account, but when you say the word account and verified in the same breath, it's weird. It makes me think of Twitter verified. I don't know. It's something... It's very... It's unusual usage, yes. It's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. What we have are all these accounts... Maybe you're going to get a little blue check mark on your jacket if you've been verified, if you have a verified hate crime account. That's a great idea. right? Verified victim of hate crime. But, when we verify these accounts, we find sort of three major trends. And one is what seems to be a surge in anti-Semitism. The second is what is clear... You hear what he... He has... Listen, he's doing data. The data folks. The data shop. But why does he use these words? We find sort of three major trends. And one is what seems to be... Seems to be.

29:53 Is the report incomplete? Do you have doubts? Seems to be. Major trends. Yeah, seems to be is wrong. Yeah, well, not if you don't have an answer. Trends. And one is what seems to be a surge in anti-Semitism. The second is... A surge should be clearly obvious. There shouldn't be a seems to be a surge. Surges mean there's like a big thing happening. It's happening. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, exactly a surge could be a big surge It seems to be a trend yeah, man. Yeah, exactly surge in anti-semitism the second is what is clearly

30:33 a rash of anti-immigrant sentiments. A rash? This is very scientific. Is that a technical term? Very scientific, this study. A rash. How do you use rash as a... Well, let me check it out. We need to do something. It is Tuesday. It's Tuesday. Oh my God. I know that. But it would be worth looking up. Yeah, because a rash, it is a... Let's see if it's a rash. Here we go. Characterized by or showing too great haste or lack of consideration, acting or tending too hastily. No? Hmm. Merriam-Webster maybe. Let's see. Archaic use is in a rash manner. I mean, I understand it, but I've... I've heard the word used this way, but I'm... It's old. A rash of something meaning a rash of something. Yeah, but rash isn't a rash just something that you get a little ointment and it's gone? So it's not that bad or...

31:41 Right yeah, this is not that bad or a rash location a rash that's bright is not that bad or a rash rash It's a rash of violence how about a rash that a rash spreads or a spreading rash about that? He didn't say that no, but I'm making it up for him because he's so unclear. It's rashest a rash of anti-immigrant sentiments. So, this is people saying, get out of my country, you don't belong here, this isn't your country, that sort of thing. And then the third thing is people who are behaving in a racist manner and they are basically attributing their racism or connecting it to President Trump in some way. So, they're saying, get out of my country.

32:27 President Trump doesn't want you here or they're saying what? Yeah, you know I'm gonna paint the spray paint a swastika and I'm gonna spray paint vote for Trump next to it You know something like that. Yeah, beautiful. I get it be rigged now, but Well, we're gonna see it. There's no way an agent provocateur would ever do that no So that's what this is all about and we know where the money's coming from to fund this and this one throwaway clip here is the definition of a hate crime and so when it comes to Defining how you put stories out there particularly because of hate crimes How do you define a hate crime then and what makes it something that yours that be worth a story for the website? Thank you. You know, so

33:09 But for hate crimes, we use basically the federal definition, and so that is going to be a crime motivated by bias against somebody because of their identity, whether it's religious, whether it's ethnic, whether it's their sexual orientation, et cetera. But we also are looking at lower-level incidents of harassment and bigotry that are the kind of things that don't get tracked in the data at all, in the crime data. Adam! Adam! Yeah. But we're attaching hate to crime because hate is out there. Sure, there's tons of hate. There's always been hate. But now hate is now going to be tracked separately, just people- As harassment. Yes. They're the kind of things that don't get tracked in the data at all, in the crime data, because they're not necessarily crimes, but they're incredibly- It's not a crime. It's not necessarily a crime. It's not a crime.

34:01 Well, but I think what he was, yeah, he's conflating it and that's the whole point. There is a federal statute, there's a federal code about a hate crime and it does indeed say if it's motivated by bias against gender, race, religion, etc. and there are minimum term limits. I have to stop this for a second. Yes, we do. No, I'm going to have to stop this for a reason of a point of information. You use the word conflate. I've used the word conflate numerous times on this show, but neither one of us would have used the word conflate a year or two years ago. This is a new word that's come into the lexicon and we've adopted it for some reason, even though I keep hearing it mostly from the liberals.

33:09 But for hate crimes, we use basically the federal definition, and so that is going to be a crime motivated by bias against somebody because of their identity, whether it's religious, whether it's ethnic, whether it's their sexual orientation, et cetera. But we also are looking at lower-level incidents of harassment and bigotry that are the kind of things that don't get tracked in the data at all, in the crime data. Adam! Adam! Yeah. But we're attaching hate to crime because hate is out there. Sure, there's tons of hate. There's always been hate. But now hate is now going to be tracked separately, just people- As harassment. Yes. They're the kind of things that don't get tracked in the data at all, in the crime data, because they're not necessarily crimes, but they're incredibly- It's not a crime. It's not necessarily a crime. It's not a crime.

34:01 Well, but I think what he was, yeah, he's conflating it and that's the whole point. There is a federal statute, there's a federal code about a hate crime and it does indeed say if it's motivated by bias against gender, race, religion, etc. and there are minimum term limits. I have to stop this for a second. Yes, we do. No, I'm going to have to stop this for a reason of a point of information. You use the word conflate. I've used the word conflate numerous times on this show, but neither one of us would have used the word conflate a year or two years ago. This is a new word that's come into the lexicon and we've adopted it for some reason, even though I keep hearing it mostly from the liberals.

34:44 uh... mostly from the news media news media started saying conflate conflate conflate referring to two things being brought together as one and i'm not complaining that you used it because i use it i'd like the word i just thought it's really not just a people would so i'm just pointing this out to people show that were self aware yes then thank you for pointing that out like i think i find it is just as you said it is that that's interesting he used that word I'm sure I'm not immune to being indoctrinated. No, but I think it is a good word. I think that this is a word that's been recently introduced into the lexicon of the United States of Americans and I like it. It's a word that works.

35:27 Yeah, it works for me too. And we're always worried about it because I know where it came from and I'm worried that it's that is something else that's going on and we might not be aware of so I'm just saying we have to be self-aware. Go on. Sorry. No, that's the show. That's very good. We're always looking to improve our speech. Always. Back to the show. Back to the show. Exactly. Yeah, so the hate crime, uh, and it still remains a very odd topic for me. If you commit a crime against somebody, isn't there... Well, if it's a violent crime, isn't that, that must mean there's some hate. I mean, if you steal something, then I guess if you go, yeah, I'm gonna rob that faggot, that would probably be declassified as a hate crime, even though it should be, I'm gonna rob him because he's a faggot. But it's just, it's very, very, very...

36:19 Well you've always been very against this have been have been oh kind of concerned about this for years. Getting out of control where everything is a hate crime. And it started with bullying. We tracked bullying. You go back in the show notes, go back to, go back five, six, seven years. You'll see that bullying was an actual headline topic in the show notes. And that slowly changed to where we are today with the hate crimes. And as we know in, in the UK, even speaking hatefully is illegal if you do that on social media. Right. It's we're on our we're on the path. We're right behind you. I think we've concluded this is a First Amendment thing. Yes. An attempt to stifle free speech. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And that is, I think, about all I have.

37:17 Well, we'll have to keep an eye on these guys. Other than the UK now, but just going back to the statues, there's now talk of, this is from the Guardian, of having this statue devoted to Admiral Nelson. Yeah, pull it down. Pull it down, yeah. Yeah, pull it down. Take all your famous heroes and pull those statues down and shoot those lions. Blow those lion statues up. They're representative of something bad. It's fantastic. I actually find this to be hilarious. Well, maybe, you know, of course my thinking is a lot of this stuff should have been pulled down a while ago and put in museums because it's art. And some of the, I feel bad about that one that was ruined by this jerk off who puts just some statue of a little anonymous kid and they pull it down and it got all bent and ruined. You know, somebody put some effort in that. This should be in a museum. Yeah, I agree.

38:15 So we can put up some new stuff. There's, I mean, there's a, there's a statue of Shea Guevara, I believe, and run in the Bay area, but that's okay. Even though if you look into him, you find that he's kind of a creep and creeps are okay. Creeps are fine. Creeps are fine. We like the creeps. I want to thank everybody for helping us fill up our list of nicknames for the president, things he's been accused of. It's really been quite phenomenal. It's a nice list. It's a great list. We have what was added recently, racist orange Cheeto, fascist, literally Hitler, mango Mussolini. These are very, very good names. So I watched

39:02 the speech in Phoenix and then the VFW follow-up. Oh good. There were two different speeches but they were handled by the media and I think the media has decided that they didn't get away with anything so they're gonna just say what they want to say. Right. And they just excoriated the president and then even Matt Taibbi tweeted about this most unhinged speech, oh I've seen, which and I'm, I watched, I watched this, the Phoenix speech. Phoenix was not a speech to the nation, but the media presented it as such. It was a Hitler rally. Yes, Hitlerjugend rally.

39:40 I watched it and you and I both have watched entire, and you went to one of them. Yes, I did. Entire Trump speeches, stump speeches, and he would do these, you know, get these a lot of people. When he first started out, I observed that he really only had 20 minutes of material and then he ended up with about an hour's worth and he would tell, and pretty much a variation of the exact same material time and time again. And this speech was not only no different than a classic Trump rally speech, it was probably a little more sedate except for the, I think about an eight minute rant he did on the media.

40:18 Quoting himself mostly and saying that they're full of crap. I said that I said that these are my words Yeah, and he read his stuff. He read it exactly and then he and the media was there Supposedly this was not a great hall. This is not like a university It was like a flat and I don't know why anyone would even go to this and then there's I guess the media was in the back you couldn't see him when you did when they actually did show the crowd and then he would talk about the all the red lights are going off as he excoriates He goes on and on. But to listen to the reporting of this, which is, and I gotta stop this clip that I'm gonna play or wanna play here, which is this one. This is the NBC, NBC was really on him here. This is the NBC summary of the Trump speeches. Healer or antagonist? The answer may depend upon which Donald Trump you heard over the last 24 hours.

41:14 After casting himself as the victim of bad news coverage at a fired up rally in Phoenix last night, blasting everyone from the media to fellow Republicans, the president appeared in Nevada today where he returned to a call for unity based on common values. The head-snapping change of tones comes as the nation's former intelligence boss offers a troubling assessment of the commander-in-chief. Our national correspondent Peter Alexander has more. Tonight, more White House whiplash at the American Legion National Convention in Reno, a declaration of unity. It is time to heal the wounds that divide us. A presidential 180 from last night's unbridled offenses in Arizona. Repeal and replace. Repeatedly taking aim at the media. The very dishonest media and they're bad people. They don't like our country. I really believe that. President Trump

42:06 Mr. Trump abandoning the discipline displayed just 24 hours earlier, his scripted Afghanistan speech. Instead, accusing the press of misrepresenting his highly criticized response to Charlottesville. They don't want to report that I spoke out forcefully against hatred, bigotry and violence and strongly condemned the neo-Nazis, the white supremacists and the KKK. But Mr. Trump omitted his own most controversial words. Hatred, bigotry, violence on many sides, on many sides. You also had people that were very fine people on both sides. Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper who briefed the president during his transition now questioning his fitness for office. I worry about frankly you know the

42:57 Access to nuclear codes. On stage playing to the crowd like an aging rocker delivering riff after riff. Antifa! May I have the piece of clapper? It's a little longer. Can I play that now? Yeah, play it. I don't know when I've listened and watched... By the way, he was on with Don Lemon, The Overnight Sensation. Something like this from a president that I found more disturbing. Having some understanding of the levers of power that are available to a president if he chooses to exercise them, I found this downright scary and disturbing. Interesting to contrast

43:43 Last night's teleprompter Trump performance versus tonight, which is of course the real Trump. Just as it was in the unglued press conference. Unglued? Unglued? That's a new one. I just find this extremely disturbing. Disturbing? Questioning his fitness? Yes, I do. Question his fitness? I really question

44:22 his ability to, his fitness to be in this office. And I also am beginning to wonder about his motivation for it. Maybe he is looking for a way out. Is he a threat to national security, the president? Well, he certainly could be. Leading question. Again, having some understanding of the levers that a president can exercise. I worry about, frankly, access to nuclear codes. In a fit of pique, he decides to do something about Kim Jong-un. There's actually very little to stop him. Yeah, you know, they tried this. They tried the nuclear codes thing. It didn't really play out. They tried it in the primaries and Hillary Clinton was talking about it all the time.

45:17 Yeah, it didn't work and it's not gonna work now. No, I don't see why. Let me play an ISO, one of the ISOs, but this is the one that's probably the best. This is the NBC summary of ISO, Jeff Flake, from that same speech you heard him giving. This is NBC. They do this report and this is just plain, I'm gonna play this. It's inaccurate. And I'm going to say how it could have been fixed and I don't understand why they didn't do it properly, but this is again the kind of, I don't know if they just the editors at these networks or what, but they're just doing this sort of thing. And it's good. It gets on your nerves after a while. Let's play this NBC summary. Iso Jeff Flake even antagonizing members of his own party like Senator Jeff Flake, who's weak on borders, weak on crime. Speaker. Wow.

46:11 Okay, now the problem with that report is that he never mentioned Jeff Flake not by name No, he never he made a point of not mentioning Flake or McCain he made a big deal about it I'm not gonna mention anybody's names But and then he kind of beat around the bush and he threw that in there would kind of implying it was Jeff It was implying They have to, when they make this report, they have to make that clear. They did not do that with this ISO. Why? Do you mean journalistically speaking they need to do that? Yes, he never said this was, they play the quote of him doing the Jeff Flake thing. Yeah. Saying that he's talking about Jeff Flake, but he's not talking about Jeff Flake. This is inaccurate.

46:54 Yes, and these networks do this all the time. Yes, it probably was talking about Jeff Flake probably, but he never said it He never said just listen to this name. Let me hear it again even antagonizing members of his own party like senator Jeff Flake He never did that you're right. You're right boy This this kind of inaccuracy gets it starts to build up after a while and the worst part is people start to notice it I mean we notice this constantly yeah, but that's because it's in your alt-right talking points and Well, yeah, that's exactly what we read every every show the alt-right topic Talking points before we start to make sure we're on the right track. They have to and the thing is to to clean it up I mean there's yeah, okay, maybe this is you know their version of well We're just kind of making it clear because that's what he was talking about even though he never said that no you can't do that That's like taking that's taking advantage of that's that's just kind of like fixing

47:50 fictionalizing the thing. He never said that was Jeff Blake. He just implied it was Jeff Blake. But they made it sound like he said specifically about Jeff Blake. Actually said it was Jeff Blake. Yeah. And this is constant with the networks. They constantly do this. And that is a con- Well, the public's too stupid so we just do it this way. No, you just have to do it the right way. If you do it the right way, it's still, I mean, they did another thing in that longer clip where he says, I mean, you could take these quotes, they're just taking this out of context. He's clippable. He's highly, highly clippable. Oh, he's very clippable, especially out of context when he's screaming something.

48:34 The unfairness of it really starts to grate on the public and that's why this news media has a very poor reputation because they constantly do this stuff. Yeah, but no one, there's no context left in our text-based universe. This is, you know, this is one of my gripes. I see it all the time, people texting back and forth and receiving the information through the filters they have running, and then, ah, this is, I'm pissed off, and I want to send something back pissed off, and the other person's like, hey, but I'm super, what is this? It's, we have no context. It's very sad. Well, I'm sorry, we have emojis. There you go.

49:12 Good work. They need more of these emojis on these network shows. They should be popping up when they say like, and even, you know, just a little ding, little emoji with a halo or ding, a little winking emoji. Like it's a little joke. We're all in on it. I also caught something that I wanted to discuss. I don't know if I want to talk about it now or later, but this, well actually maybe we should. It's kind of interesting, but first before we do that, I want to play this clip. This is the right hand man clip. I was trying to get a clip that CBS showed on, or CBS or ABC, one of the two. They showed it on their little list of where they do their online stuff now is they have a kind of a clip list and they go from one to the other to the other. And there was a clip on here about a lawsuit that's going on that is underreported. And this lawsuit has to do with this Russian guy. Let's see if I can find it. I have it here somewhere.

50:09 Sorry? Mignetsky again? No, no, no. This is another guy that you never heard of. It's like Grusome or some crazy name. He's got a kind of a silly name. And he's suing BuzzFeed for slander. Oh. And it has to do with this report that, you know, the dossier. Ah, the Trump Golden Shower dossier. The Golden Shower dossier. Anyway, let's play this clip though because this clip kept coming up over and over. Every time I tried to play the dossier clip, this clip would come up. And then I noticed something within the clip. And I went back and I looked at the clip again to see what was maybe a blip in the internet or something. And then I looked, I watched her and watched her. This is, play this right hand man clip and just listen to where the

50:57 The woman who is talking about the Trump secretary, how she refers to her and then kind of like chokes on a term she just refuses to say. And David Wright joins us now from near the president's New Jersey estate. David Ronegraff has been called the president's right hand. President Trump notoriously does not use email. She's been known to print emails for him. So what are investigators looking for here? Yeah, you watch her and she actually says she's been called the president's, she has been called the president's right hand.

51:35 And then she chokes because she can't say the word man. Let's hear it again. And David Wright joins us now from near the president's New Jersey estate. David Ronegraf has been called the president's right hand. President Trump notoriously... Can't even cover it up with anything. But this is what's going on. This is how the milieu, as you would say, works in news media right now. These people all have filters. This is exactly the opposite of what I said a minute ago. They have filters running All the time, tons of them. All of these things they can't say, that they're worried about. I mean there was some fake email spoof that went around. CNN's like, we're not even going to mention what was said about Ivanka Trump. Or whatever it was. And the only thing I could find is that the

52:20 That somehow someone claimed at Breitbart that Jared was a real cuckold for real You know in other words meaning that he watches other men have sex with with Ivanka and the wife yes And they can't say that it's true. He says Well, we know it's a fact, but they can at least say it just say it though. We all can't say anything anymore. Oh Well, so this guy is suing BuzzFeed for saying that he is a spammer and a scammer and he runs a, I'll get his name is somewhere around here. He runs a web services operation out of Texas where he does websites of different sorts. But he's not doing this stuff, but they accused him of it in this fabulous dossier where Trump has the women peeing on the

53:07 bed that Obama slept in supposedly. Well, they're bringing this back. I had no idea. They might as well. They're bringing back the nuclear codes. It's just rinse and repeat. We're just going through the whole thing again. You can predict what's next. Well, here's the clip from them bringing it back. And I've got to figure out which clip this is. Dossier is back, I'm guessing. Dossier? That would be it. It's one thing to have heard rumors in advance. about what was in that intelligence dossier. Oh man, for someone who gripes at me about bringing Rachel Maddow to the show. Uh-huh. Wow. You went there. It's one thing to have heard. Hold on a second. Before I'm condemned for this. And I know that you feel the same way when you bring a Rachel Maddow clip.

53:49 I'm flipping around and then there she is talking about the dossier and I'm thinking, oh my God, are you kidding me? And she is dead serious because apparently the group that was hired had said this dossier is legitimate. They won't talk about the guy suing BuzzFeed for libel. And in fact, BuzzFeed has had to take the section of the just accurate dossier and remove this guy's name, thinking that would end the lawsuit. But no, the lawsuit is going on. It's going on in Miami. Nobody's talking about it. And as far as I'm concerned, if the lawsuit goes through and this guy wins a slander libel suit,

54:28 The dossier is full of crap, obviously. But let's listen to what Rachel has to say, because as far as she's concerned, it's all true. It's one thing to have heard rumors in advance about what was in that intelligence dossier about Trump and Russia. Those rumors started about a year ago. It's another thing to have seen all that stuff in black and white once BuzzFeed published it in January. But the people who commissioned it say now publicly that it's true. that what's in that dossier is real and can be backed up. And that case looks like it may soon go public, which is a big deal because if the dossier really is right, what it has to say about Trump is not just compromised by a foreign government, it is overt and knowing collusion in the Russian attack. Joining us now is Rick Wilson, a Republican strategist. Attack! Attack! The Russian attack, John! Attack!

55:18 We've been attacked, we've been attacked. These words, man, words. By a foreign government. It is overt and knowing collusion in the Russian attack. Joining us now is Rick Wilson, a Republican strategist who worked for a super PAC supporting Marco Rubio in 2016 and who was the star of my opening anecdote this evening. Rick, thank you very much for being with us tonight. It's nice to have you here. Thanks for having me Rachel. So I wanted to get your reaction to this tonight this news overall just your reaction as a Republican But I was also hoping you could you could talk a little bit you could shed a little light for us on How people in politics first started hearing about the dossier before it ever got published?

55:56 Well, sure. I mean, first off, I think the fact that the guys from Fusion today gave this extensive testimony and are willing to have that put out there in the public record and turned over 40,000 pages of documents should absolutely terrify Donald Trump's attorneys and the sort of constellation of media who have been denying and denying and denying that anything in the dossier is true. And that anything the intelligence community has gathered on this guy is true. That 40,000 pages is what Oppo always has, and Intel always has, a gigantic iceberg of information underneath the tip that you see above the ocean. And so, this sort of thing has been swirling around for a long time. Even before I got that phone call last summer, there had been rumors of Trump business entanglements,

56:43 financial entanglements with a variety of Russian oligarchs and Russian interests. And the Russian oligarchs and the Russian intelligence service and the Russian government are all basically tied together as the same entity. And those things have been floating around. We've been running some of that stuff down. But as the individual accusations started to be made clear inside the political community, inside the sort of consultant world, and folks who have some interesting overlaps between politics and intelligence and government, those things started to burble up more and more. We didn't know the exact source. We knew there was something out there, a package floating around out there of information. I didn't know it was from Christopher Steele or Fusion Proper until January when the BuzzFeed document rolled out. But the information was certainly circulating. It was circulating. This guy goes on and on and on. Now, there's another interesting point about this slander suit that nobody's reporting on, which is

57:37 A circuit court has determined that Christopher Steele, because of the slander suit, can be brought...can be forced to come from England where he is. I'm thinking, wait, this guy's a British citizen. Extradition? And we can do an extradition for that? He can be extradited because the British...and you probably know that the British have this thing about slander and libel that is so strong. You've got to be very careful. Yes, you gotta be very careful. And so apparently, according to the way it looks, is that the British will extradite him to testify. Yeah, in Britain, celebritties win big lawsuits all the time. All the time. Yeah, like a million, millions sometimes. It's really- Lots of money. And so they may extradite him, and once he shows up in the United States, it's assumed that he's gonna be grabbed by Mueller

58:31 And brought in to testify about the dossier and its legitimacy and where he got this information, all the rest of it. So this guy's gonna show up, I think he's gonna come over unless the BuzzFeed can settle, but I don't think they can afford it. And so they're going to try to fight this character, this Texas guy who is slandered in that dossier. Interesting. And this is turning out to be quite interesting. And Rachel, although she's completely clueless about any of this, as far as she's concerned, you know, it's just a... It's all bad. It's all bad. Trump, horrible. He's gonna be out. He's gonna be out. Yeah, so I've now changed the show notes topic from the 25th to 25 for 45, which I think is kind of a cool one. So 25th amendment for the 45th president. Ooh. And yeah, 25, let me see. Actually you could do 25 or 45. Maybe not.

59:30 Um, the Beatles song. No, that would be Chicago. Chicago. Right. Um, I have two, I have two little clippies here just to wind up this portion of the a block. Uh, Donnie Deutsch, was he an advertising executive? He was some sort of an executive and he wanted to be a TV guy. I think he was an ad executive. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was like a creative director at BBDO or something like that. I could be wrong. Anyway, he's on the Morning Joes. That's where he always appears. And he's now kicking off this one again. Again, it's just rinse and repeat. John, you went to Faber College with John Belushi and it dawned on me.

1:00:10 You can't analyze this anymore. And I did some homework, and there's nothing glib about this. I need about 40 seconds. How to determine if someone is a sociopath. A personality, what a sociopath is, is a condition that prevents people from adopting ethical and behavioral standards as a community. Sociopaths are usually extremely charming and charismatic. Sociopaths often tend to entail a certain position. You're gonna have to, they're gonna have to make up their mind. Is the guy charming and charismatic or a creep? Well, what he's, yes. He can't be both. I agree. And when this clip is over, I've got a follow up clip just to let you know. OK. Charming charismatic.

1:00:48 Social media hosts often time feel entitled to certain positions, people and things. They believe their own beliefs and opinions are the absolute authority and disregard others. They're rarely shy and insecure at the loss of words. They have trouble suppressing emotional responses like anger and patience or annoyance. They do bizarre, risky and outrageous things without assessing repercussions. They're professional liars. They fabricate stories and make outlandish, untruthful statements. And they get comfortable with their lying. They get bored easily and require constant stimulation. Sounds like me. Sociopaths are incapable of experiencing guilt or shame for their actions. They're manipulative. They may try to influence and dominate people to gain positions of leadership. They have a hard time dealing with criticism. And now we have to go to break. No, I mean, and you start to, and I'm not being glib here because we're trying to analyze this intelligently or rationally or with the left brain and there is none. And then you start to say, coming off of Clapper, coming off of Corker,

1:01:41 What is, what is, and I'm not being glib, but what is wrong with this man? And it's interesting, so many of the traits of a sociopath this man is displaying. You know, I'm adding it to the list. Sociopath. That's a very nice one. Sociopath. You could use that same exact, if you took that whole little spiel and ran it in 2009 when Obama got in, you could probably get away with the same exact complaint. Not on MSNBC you couldn't no I mean somewhere else not an MSNBC. Yeah, is there were having chills because you won I have a follow-up so you had a follow-up you so here's the follow-up This is another thing you got to put it on the you know we go back to that list we made you know every one of these things is on there this is Hillary's getting all kinds of promotion from her book and

1:02:24 And I don't know why she's kind of reading from the book instead of just saying stuff in an interview, but here's Hillary. This is NBC promoting the Hillary book and also at the same time. Stop. I'll tell you why she's reading from the book and not just telling a story because she can't remember any story. Because of the plane wrecking. Well, you could say that or maybe there was no story. Maybe it had to be written so that she could read it because that's the story. This is her story. Wait, wait, the way they present this, they also show clips that are shot with different camera angles to kind of exaggerate this problem. This was to happen to happens to be about something that they didn't talk much about at the time, which was the second debate when Clinton and they were in a small

1:03:13 small debate stage and Clinton and Trump are damn near bumping into each other most of the time. But the way she describes it is very, I thought it was very funny, but at the same time this was a dramatized and NBC gets to two for it's a twofer. They get to like that music, music, creepy music. I wish someday, but there's a twofer they get to plug her book and slam Trump at the same time. It's great. It's a beauty. Meantime, tonight, as President Trump has continued to take aim at Hillary Clinton from time to time so long after the election, she's having her say about the man who she says made her skin crawl during an awkward debate moment. Now, Clinton also is acknowledging her own mistakes and her devastating defeat. Here's NBC's Andrea Mitchell.

1:04:03 New reporting by NBC News reveals Hillary Clinton's lead over Donald Trump was a lot less certain than previously thought, especially in the last two weeks. As we hear the first excerpts from her upcoming book about that tense standoff at their second debate. Donald Trump was looming behind me. It was incredibly uncomfortable. He was literally breathing down my neck. My skin crawled their face off only two days after that access Hollywood video The Trump campaign trying to intimidate her Steve Bannon inviting women accusers from Bill Clinton's past to sit in the front row as Trump circled her on stage now for the first time publicly She's wondering should she have stood up to him? Do you turn look him in the eye and say loudly and clearly back off?

1:04:51 Back up, you creep. Get away from me. It certainly would have been better TV. Maybe I have overlearned the lesson of staying calm, biting my tongue, digging my fingernails into a clenched fist. I could tell, yes. It is incredibly, incredibly uncomfortable. It very much encapsulated a lot of the discomfort in the race in that moment in time. Couldn't capture a cool, not wanting to appear weak. She is now in a position where she can share doubts that she had, mistakes that she thinks she made, things she might have done differently. A moment captured on SNL. A pre-existing condition.

1:05:29 Number two. As NBC News now reports, that was among the high points for Clinton in the final month. 19 days later, FBI Director James Comey reopened the email investigation. And in the final stretch, a more disciplined Trump going on offense while Clinton fell behind. Uh-huh. How does, wait, let's stop here and go back and try to remember this. She was kicking his ass in these debates. Yep. So and now they just said it was a high point. But if you listen to her, it was a low point because he was breathing down her neck. I mean, which is it? Can you get these stories so that so at least the narrative is make some sense with what you're telling us? Because a lot of discrepant information they throw at us or at the public and it doesn't really work.

1:06:18 Either she's kicking ass in these debates and it was a high point or this creep was creeping her out and breathing down her neck. One of the two. There was a bit on CNN and I'm sad it didn't clip it. It was... Someone who had been rehearsing with Hillary Clinton for the debates and they had footage from the debate rehearsal where this guy specifically did what Trump did. He was walking around her, walking behind her and it was all meant to prepare her for him doing that. And now she's saying that It was creepy and she was put on the wrong foot or something. Oh, that would have been a great clip. You're right. I just realized I heard it in the car and I completely forgot. But I'll find it. It was like, wow. I mean, if she rehearsed for it... This is all bullcrap, of course.

1:07:07 The other thing is that they show, try to dramatize as much as they could, a lot of it with a long lens, because usually with a long lens you lose anything over 200 millimeters. It brings the foreground and the background together. It conflates the two. So it looks like you're closer than you are. Now the other thing was they showed one clip, they made a mistake showing one clip where she actually, I think this was a blunder in the edit room, she actually walked over toward him to put herself in a position where he was standing right next to her or right behind her. And they showed that during this vid? She brought that on herself. I'm gonna have to go back and look at that debate because I'm sure YouTube has a copy of it. I remember we talked about it and that indeed the depth of field was a little off but it's certainly, it doesn't matter. That's what people saw and that's what they believe so it does not matter. It just doesn't matter. You know, speaking of that, you know Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs?

1:08:02 So he had a Facebook rant against someone who said, you know, Nazis love you, Republicans love your show, you're alt-right, blah blah blah. And so he writes a very thoughtful piece talking about just how ridiculous this is and that he hasn't really come out with any political stance. It's a really thoughtful piece about the cancer on both sides. And here's what's interesting. Tina shares that on the face bag. And she's talking to one of her daughters and her daughter says, oh, mom, so now you're supporting Nazis? And this is exactly the problem is that people don't read. She said, did you read it? Well, I started to. OK. But, you know, and that's that's a daughter to her mom. But I'm sure she doesn't mean mean it like that. She doesn't understand maybe what she's saying. But that's what's happening.

1:08:55 Yeah, whatever, just I believe that, yeah, oh, that sounds right. Okay, but I don't have to read it, I don't have to do any investigation. But I got some drinking to do. This is one of your main points and I'm gonna... You bring this up to happen to me just on Twitter I wrote a column this week at PC magazine saying they that phones because of the people walking into walls and then you know bumping into each other and getting into accidents because they're using these phones to text and to do all kinds of things they shouldn't be doing while driving or walking. You see them walking up and down the street. Or having sex.

1:09:32 So I made this point that, you know, there's been a bunch of laws, you can't text and drive, but nobody's, you know, everybody's still doing it, there's nothing you can do about it. Made that very clear in the column. And my recommendation was that the laws stop applying to people and start applying to the phone. So the phone's in motion, it just doesn't work. And that's pretty much the whole story of the entire column. Some guy tweets me, he says, He sees the column being retweeted and he says, there's already laws to stop you from doing this. Well, he obviously didn't read the column at all because I mentioned that there's laws and the laws don't work and that was the point of the column. So all he read was the headline. Yeah, which you didn't write. And then jump to conclusions. Yeah. Because nobody wants to go through the trouble. However, you know, Jesus is all of 700 words, you know, take him maybe

1:10:25 Three minutes to read no It's unbelievable, and that's in the good example, and then the people should be shamed It seems to me for make for making this does these leaps. Yeah, faith. I told Tina she should block her daughter She should She's a good kid That's just but that's to me. That's very sad. I know she doesn't mean any malice, but it's sad when this happens. It's sad and then, you know, this is universities. I have one more for this block to round it out back to 25 for 45. Maxine Waters was honored at the BET Awards for the Black Girls Rock Award, I believe. Which, are you allowed to say girls? Are you supposed to say black females? I mean, is she appropriating younger people's culture?

1:11:22 by accepting an award for a girl. I mean, there's a lot wrong. Oh, I think that's the cultural appropriation on all kinds of levels. She shouldn't, she should rebuke the award and rebuke BET. No, no, no. As we predicted, she's got a vibe going. Maxine has a vibe with my millennials that won't quit. Sorry, I should have clicked all that off. Auntie Maxine. There you go, Auntie Maxine.

1:12:00 For your dedication to truth and justice, for the way you keep it real all the time, for your gospel hit, I'm reclaiming my time. Please accept the Black Girls Rock Social Humanitarian Award. You rock! The Black Girls, oh, by the way, I cut out most of the applause on this because it was just too long. Good evening, everyone. To Beverly Bond, the founder of Black Girls Rock, and Deborah Lee, the chairman and CEO of BET, I'm extremely grateful for the recognition that I'm receiving this evening. But I want you to know, if it was not for the love and respect shown to me by black women, those right-wing, ultra-conservative, alt-right haters,

1:12:59 This is not a divisive speech at all. I mean, it's really trying to bring us very loving trying to bring the country together Auntie Maxine doing a great job and respect shown to me by black women those right-wing ultra conservative alt-right haters They would have me believe I'm too black. Oh, I'm too confrontational I'm too tough and I'm too disrespectful of them. But now I know I'm simply a strong black woman Now there that's a bumper sticker I am you and you are me this is this is the bumper sticker Auntie Maxine says

1:13:55 I am you and you are me. We have power, we have influence. We can do things that others have told us we can't do. I don't care how big you are. I don't care how high you think you are. If you come for me, I'm coming for you. Whether it's the President of the United States of America, any of his cabinet, we will say to them, we will resist you. We will not allow you to damage this country in the way that you're doing. We will not allow you to take us backwards. Not only will we resist you, we will impeach you, Mr. President. And so, I know that you are as inspired as I am this evening. I want you to know

1:14:54 that I said and I'll say it over and over again, reclaiming my time. Yeah! Yes! Because that is absolutely racist. I love you! Thank you! Stay woke! Nice! Yes, Maxi! ♪ Keep away from the crack pipe ♪ Nice! ♪ Those days are over, they called you out on Fox tonight ♪ ♪ Look at the crack pipe, it takes a seat ♪ Man She's running. I hope so me too Shall vote for get her in keep her in the spotlight keep her on the show I love it. She's got her catchphrase reclaiming my time. Yeah, I'd like to my millennial stay woke better, but I'm okay with reclaiming my time and

1:15:56 My that's good, but I am you and you are me is it sounds I am you you are yeah, but no agenda shop guys It's a t-shirt reclaiming my time get in on it. I don't care if it is definitely running There's no doubt about because you can just imagine she's just jacked up. Yeah She's very jacked up, and she looked great though. How old is she she's in her seven late 70s She's 100 and something no just not just being an ageist douche. Oh I have a right to be an ageist douche. In the morning to you, Adam Curry. In the morning to all ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and all the knights out there. And in the morning to everybody in the chatroom, noagendastream.com. Thank you for being here. I also want to thank everybody over there. Let me see. It's Brendel Kidwell, who's made the Gitmo list.org.

1:17:12 which is really a list of all of our sites and things that we talk about. And I mean, I go to this because I don't know what we have anymore. GitmoList.org. Then also there is a Houston meetup being planned. You can find it at meetup.org.com thing net link in the show notes. But I wish I would like to move that to Austin. So if people are interested in doing that meetup, then why don't we move it to Austin? People from Houston come here and we'll have a good time. Also, yeah also in the morning to Patrick Baus he brought us the artwork for episode 9 or 5 7 title of that was upstaged and It was just a great eclipse piece of eclipse art. It was really you know with a woman with a big sunglasses screaming her head off and

1:18:01 Did you notice any weirdness? I have a clip that applies to that artwork coming later in the show. Did you notice any weirdness during the, I mean just people talking about weird things happening after the eclipse? Well, the one clip I have was definitely weird. We want to play it now. Might as well. Well, maybe we should. Let's do this on the Weather Channel and this was not the tea, not the one on the net, but the one that real one on the television is the one on the net was a disaster. I thought it was. So was NASA's feet. NASA was also shit. There were better ones. But this woman, and I want to, I think, I don't know whether I should play it in reverse order or front to back, but I'll play it front to back. In other words, the right order. This is the prelude. This is Weather Girl, and I always thought she was a little, she was a little buoyant. And she's also one of these, whoo! type chicks. Okay. And so let's play her at the beginning.

1:18:53 Okay, we are now a minute and 31 minute 36 seconds away from totality here. Are you guys excited? Yeah, we're getting excited here for totality. I mean, the countdown is on again. We are going to, I'm sure here cheers from the crowd, but we're also going to tap into several different cameras. Okay, so the clips takes place and they cut back to her and let her go. And this is like, wow. Oh, it's emotional. I can't explain why, but it is. We had tears, we had screams, we had fireworks during Totality, but

1:19:38 It just took my breath away, the whole thing. It's really cool that you can see the corona and you see the sun kind of spewing out from behind the moon. It literally took our breath away for a while. So I'm so excited for everyone to experience this. And of course you have to wear the glasses again now that we're out of totality, but it got really dark down here. Just look how spectacular that is on the TV screen. The light is starting to come back to us now. Wow, that is something that's really special and we're all really fortunate to be alive and where we are today so that we can see it. But that was really cool.

1:20:24 I'm sorry, I don't know why I'm so, uh... Jim, I'm surprised by my reaction. Um... You know, I did scream, I got excited, I don't know why I'm so overwhelmed by it, but... It's very special. Well, I'm gonna give you a borderline for that. That's, uh, that's a pretty good fine. You know, I attribute this to lack of religion. or some other belief system. Yeah, because when this happens, people are looking at this like some outer world godly event. And I saw a lot of this. NASA's feed, I believe it was NASA's feed, it wasn't interesting to listen to per se, not as interesting as this. The guy went the other way, he's like, I just can't, I'm just going, I have to go quiet. And he was just continuously quiet. And I mean, it's not, okay, it's great, it's a big deal, whatever.

1:21:16 You know, no, it's not really but it must be some lack of belief in something bigger Well, this woman really lost it. I mean, you had to see her. She's crying. She's crying. She's crying like a baby. What would you know her name? Maybe she was raised religiously and walked away from religion. I don't know her name. I never got her name. But she's one of the mainstays in the Weather Channel. Would you agree, though, this is like some kind of loss of belief? I'm not going to argue the point with you because it's possible that you're right. Have you ever noticed that whenever you agree with me, you always say you're not going to argue with me? Well, there's nothing to argue about. It's nicer to say, yes, I agree, Adam. Great. Well, I have to say I'm not going to argue with you because I think that...

1:21:57 The listeners, the producers like, like it when I'm arguing. Oh, okay. Yeah. I've heard this heads up. There's no argument coming. Oh shit. Okay. On to the next topic. Wow. I am really high. Exactly. That's how I watched the eclipse. Although all the nerds, I'm sorry. We got screwed here because we had overcast and then the eclipse darken the area. And I think there was kind of a funk. That took place across the country and I think that woman kind of expressed a little bit maybe And this lack of religion may have a that's an interesting element that we should just explore in this show in general. Yeah, it's

1:22:36 And it was a very interesting situation. Everyone talked about it and to excess. I watched the Weather Channel and a couple other things online. I probably saw the eclipse at least 10 times, different parts of the country. So you got to watch it over and over and over again. There were some parts of the country that had a better eclipse than other parts. And I believe that seeing it on the, you know, you're looking through a, you know, welder's goggles or you're looking at it through a pinhole camera, however you see it, you're probably seeing a better version of it on TV. Oh, for sure. For sure. It's like watching a football game. You're probably better off not going to the game. Well, you know, our building overlooks Silicon Labs here in Austin, downtown Austin. They have like Salt and Pepper, two buildings. Then all

1:21:57 The listeners, the producers like, like it when I'm arguing. Oh, okay. Yeah. I've heard this heads up. There's no argument coming. Oh shit. Okay. On to the next topic. Wow. I am really high. Exactly. That's how I watched the eclipse. Although all the nerds, I'm sorry. We got screwed here because we had overcast and then the eclipse darken the area. And I think there was kind of a funk. That took place across the country and I think that woman kind of expressed a little bit maybe And this lack of religion may have a that's an interesting element that we should just explore in this show in general. Yeah, it's

1:22:36 And it was a very interesting situation. Everyone talked about it and to excess. I watched the Weather Channel and a couple other things online. I probably saw the eclipse at least 10 times, different parts of the country. So you got to watch it over and over and over again. There were some parts of the country that had a better eclipse than other parts. And I believe that seeing it on the, you know, you're looking through a, you know, welder's goggles or you're looking at it through a pinhole camera, however you see it, you're probably seeing a better version of it on TV. Oh, for sure. For sure. It's like watching a football game. You're probably better off not going to the game. Well, you know, our building overlooks Silicon Labs here in Austin, downtown Austin. They have like Salt and Pepper, two buildings. Then all

1:23:26 All of the, these are chipped guys, chip designers. They were all up on the roof with chairs and they had all kinds of interesting filters and gizmos. I had my binoculars out. If it's screw looking at the sun, I was looking at these guys. They were interesting. They had all kinds of sextants and I don't know what they were sporting. Took some pictures of it. I'll send it to you. Well, apparently in seven years, you're guys going to be right in the middle of the real one. April 18th, 2024. The whole shebang. That's right. That's right. But I'm going to have to live here until, we'll have to do the show until then. Hey, let's thank some people John yes, we are so I did want to say sorry Patrick bows Thank you for the artwork. We appreciate what the artists do no agenda art generator comm upload your artwork there till 958 And we just want a few people we have a good balance group today Neville bear him bear ham bear or the Lambton New South Wales Australia $400 and he

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1:36:09 I have it on high authority so paratroopers usually means people are going to be boots on the ground And I don't know why that they could just drive, but okay. I know they just drive there I don't understand why they have to parachute him in but it'll be it'll make for good a good It's gonna make for a good promotional video. It's gonna look cool. It's gonna look very very cool And, you know, when your takeaway, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but your takeaway is that Trump has been, what's the word? Red in red and I'm looking for another word. Co-opted.

1:36:45 into the poppies, into the protection of the poppy fields, which is really, as far as we can tell, the main reason for being there at all. And if you see all the bases, they're all near the poppy fields. And I was reading an article the other day... Big crop this year too. Yeah, it's like 10,000, you know, cubic something or other. It's the amount that comes from Afghanistan. so much more than comes from, you know, that is even grown in Mexico, that, you know, and taking into account how military transport were used to bring cocaine into the... Was it cocaine or heroin? With the Denzel Washington movie. It was heroin. Opium. Opium, yeah, I'm sorry. Opium. You know, in caskets of dead soldiers and, you know, this is... You can look this up, this really happened. And Denzel Washington made a movie about it, was in a movie about it.

1:37:37 And movie and so your feeling was he was read in and I had I actually had a hopeful thought I know, stupid. Why bother? Here was my hopeful thought. Because of the opioid crisis in the United States, which now by far surpasses vehicular deaths, bypasses gun deaths, including suicides. I don't think it quite... Yes, it's... Right, it just took... It's way past 33,000, which is the vehicular death number. So it's the number one cause of death outside of, I think, people dying in the hospital itself. Ooh, I almost said in hospital. In the hospital itself.

1:38:19 which is also a very big problem with all the superbugs and MRSA and all that stuff. But of course, you know, it would just be my hopeful thinking that the president who has... This was the day of the Antifa kerfuffle, you know, where he screwed up his speech. He was actually talking the first time around about the opioid crisis, and then it just evolved into Charlottesville, etc. And I was hoping that maybe, maybe the way to show that we won, because this is what I would just say, you know, maybe you can't do this on a geopolitical scale, but if you want to finish the war and show that we won, which was unclear from his statement or from anything on whitehouse.gov or any policy statement,

1:39:07 Maybe go in, burn down the poppy fields and claim two victories at one time. We are stopping the opioid crisis, stopping it here at the root, at the base of the problem. We're stopping it right now. And we won. And then get out. Well, I think you could do that. It'd be a nice show. But I'm beginning to think that the real opioid crisis is now pretty much attached to China. I did have a clip. I didn't use it. which is the amount of the stuff's now being the fentanyl the fentanyl from China which is artificial synthetic so there's two fronts we could we could do it there and we could do it in China we could call that another right they did a big crackdown of all the people having it mailed directly because I don't know if you do enough business with Amazon but if you do especially when you're getting crazy little things like for example

1:39:57 converter so you can use a Nikon lens on an Olympus. I tried to order some fentanyl through Amazon, but it came up as an add-on item. So I had to order something else. You have to wait. I have to wait for it until I have enough. Your humidifier, they'll ship that. I hate that. So you get these things, you order some of this stuff and it has a fair, always has a weird shipping time. It's just broad. It's like anywhere from October to March, you're going to get this item. And it shows up eventually in the, right in your mailbox and it's directly shipped directly from China. And it's just a little, you know, something you bought. And there's a number of these products that are now just being shipped directly from China. Cause they got some sort of special deal. I used to just as an example,

1:40:39 I used to bring in, there's a couple art dealers in China and there's one in Vietnam just as a comparison. If you say you buy some 10 or 11 pieces from China, these are reproductions or copies or original. And they have a deal with the Federal Express, it's just like you get this stuff shipped directly from China air on FedEx for like, and the charge is like $15. It seems ridiculously low, but they're trying to get a foothold, I believe, because the same art bought from Vietnam. It's the ways of saying everything is same. It's like $85 to have it shipped in. It's not FedEx. It's like TNT or one of these other guys, because they don't have these deals with it. I want my package with an outfit called TNT makes me feel very safe about my package. Well, anyway, so the, and this does never checked. I mean, the last time I had some stuff checked, I bought some shirts directly from a Taiwan

1:41:33 I think it was Taiwan or it was Korean, maybe it was Korean. A Korean shirt maker that I've done business with before. I'm sounding like a fop. No, I know you like having your shirts made. You used to have them made with the pocket that would fit a floppy and then later. Yeah, I have all those stories. CD, yeah. And they would, they charged me. customs fee for the shirts but this other stuff you're getting from Amazon and every place else they just come in right in straight. And so they discovered that people were ordering fentanyl from China and they went to the post office with some dogs and every other package coming in from China was loaded with this stuff. But they can't open it up, correct? They were opening it up. Really? Then it wasn't the post office?

1:42:14 No, it was coming in some... Well, you said the post office and so... I think it was the post office, but it was coming from China Post and once it was discovered to be contraband by a dog, I think you can open it up. Oh, okay. Anyway, at least it looked like they were opening up. They're carving them open. Maybe it's... And it's like tonnage, a ton of fentanyl. Maybe it's DHL, which stands for deliver heroin lately. Chat room did that chat room yes, I always bought a chat room gag Logan five yeah good. Let's see if I had maybe I have the clip Let's see what I have do I have it upon this China fentanyl Did you have it previously?

1:42:53 No, I don't see it. Yeah, I know. It's just a new clip. Yeah, well, we can keep it. I dropped the ball. That's okay. Well, so that would be my idea and if I were policy advisor, I think it's a pretty good idea and then I really like the, hey, you know, we got the, the, we got the organic stuff. We know you want the organic. You can even throw a Jeff Bezos. I'm not going to let Jeff Bezos have any organic heroin at Whole Foods. You could throw that in. Could be could be kind of funny and then he could say and we're stopping the Chinas from doing this I see no downside other than the billions hundreds of billions of dollars that will you know people will get screwed and a lot of people The CIA this is a part of their black budget. This is their money correct. Yes. There are money now I did pick up something on C-SPAN again and

1:43:45 Spent a lot of time watching C-SPAN. Got back into the habit of listening to it during the day. Yeah, yeah, there's just some, there is some dynamite stuff. This is something you will never ever see on cable other than on C-SPAN because it is about the pharmaceutical companies. And as we know, certainly cable news, but a lot of the advertisers, advertisements running in big shows, the big shows on the networks, the news, certainly, is a lot of it is pharmaceutical advertising. Most of it is pharmaceutical advertising. And there's no way you could start bringing up stories, certainly not in the manner this man discusses it. His name is San Quinones. He is author of the book.

1:44:32 The Opioid Epidemic, Dreamland, the True Tale of America's Opioid Epidemic. And I have just two clips, fascinating, I suggest you watch. Actually, C-Span did a whole special, a two-hour special about the Opioid Epidemic. Hard to say. And needless to say, if this guy ever does get on a mainstream news program and he talks like this, then he needs to avoid the list. He'll never get on again. Well, no, he needs to avoid small aviation, hot tubs, canoeing in waters near D.C., all this kind of stuff. Don't have a gun in your left hand. It could be very, very bad for your health. The guys who first figured out

1:45:16 The heroin traffickers, who first figured out that this very aggressive push to promote pain pill prescribing among doctors and doctors buying into that idea would eventually lead to a vast new heroin market. And the guys that I write about in my book were the ones who figured that out and saw that first emerging in Columbus, Ohio and the areas around there, various cities around there, Cincinnati, Wheeling, West Virginia, places like that. These guys had developed a system by then, they developed in the West Coast, where all the markets that they broke into eventually had a static number of addicts.

1:45:57 So big and they were all from the same town. It was all this there's one town in particular I think was played a very important role on this in this the name of the town is Jalisco. It's in the state of Nairi That's in Mexico and these guys figured out a Retail model of selling heroin by the tenth of a gram very much similar to pizza delivery So you'd call you'd order they'd send a driver to deliver of heroin to you near where you live. These guys, with their model, initially developed it on the western side of the United States, where the number of addicts were static. They become master marketers. They couldn't kill each other, because we're all from the same town. They know where each other's mothers live. When they compete, they couldn't really eliminate the competition the way people in the underworld traditionally have, dating back to Al Capone, really.

1:46:48 So, they had to become master marketers. And that's what they became. It was a way of discounting, giving dope away free in front of methadone clinics, giving dope away free to guys who just got out of jail. You bring me five new customers, I give you 50 free balloons of heroin. I kind of think they're key moments. Multi-level marketing! Exactly. It's an MLM there. Yeah, it's beautiful. Their key moment comes when they jump the Mississippi River for the first time. One guy in particular I talked to in the book jumped the Mississippi River, land in Columbus, just as a massive new push is underway by pharmaceutical companies and pain specialists, particularly in the area of southern Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, to promote narcotic painkillers.

1:47:34 Bicodin, Percocet, Oxycontin as the new solution to pain. This creates a whole new number, a huge new number of addicts and they are there to then service those addicts once they can no longer afford those pills and are looking for something cheaper. So as we were talking about conflating, this author is now conflating the Mexican gang who pioneered this type of sales in the United States in Columbus, Ohio, where this, apparently, according to him and his book, is ground zero for the opioid epidemic. And this is where the dangerous part for him comes in. When Purdue, the giant, the pharmaceutical giant, started pushing

1:46:48 So, they had to become master marketers. And that's what they became. It was a way of discounting, giving dope away free in front of methadone clinics, giving dope away free to guys who just got out of jail. You bring me five new customers, I give you 50 free balloons of heroin. I kind of think they're key moments. Multi-level marketing! Exactly. It's an MLM there. Yeah, it's beautiful. Their key moment comes when they jump the Mississippi River for the first time. One guy in particular I talked to in the book jumped the Mississippi River, land in Columbus, just as a massive new push is underway by pharmaceutical companies and pain specialists, particularly in the area of southern Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, to promote narcotic painkillers.

1:47:34 Bicodin, Percocet, Oxycontin as the new solution to pain. This creates a whole new number, a huge new number of addicts and they are there to then service those addicts once they can no longer afford those pills and are looking for something cheaper. So as we were talking about conflating, this author is now conflating the Mexican gang who pioneered this type of sales in the United States in Columbus, Ohio, where this, apparently, according to him and his book, is ground zero for the opioid epidemic. And this is where the dangerous part for him comes in. When Purdue, the giant, the pharmaceutical giant, started pushing

1:48:22 their opioids in the exact same manner that the Mexican gang did it. And you just mentioned it, what should viewers know about Purdue Pharma? Purdue Pharma was crucial in forming what we have today. Primarily I would say Oxycontin was crucial, the drug that Purdue Pharma makes was crucial in all this. First of all, for two reasons. One was that Purdue Pharma used a very aggressive form of marketing to doctors, giveaways, very similar to the marketing techniques that the Jalisco boys from Nayarit used to sell their heroin. Purdue Pharma used to convince doctors that these pills were no longer addictive, particularly, oxycontin was no longer addictive, and they'd be fine prescribing it to their patients.

1:49:11 And they they gave away stuff. They don't do this anymore, but first for seven years of the drugs life. They gave away stuff trips They gave away a little CD called swing in the right direction with Oxycontin Where where we've got some swing band tunes that was a it was a very aggressive Constant kind of marketing to doctors to convince them that this was trying to do and then also OxyContin was a crucial part of this because OxyContin did not contain any abuse deterrent for the first 14 years of his life. So it took addicts, people would get addicted and it would take their tolerance up to very, very high levels. And then they would be looking for a cheap, potent alternative. And heroin proved to be that, particularly the heroin initially from Jalisco and Nairite proved to be the crucial alternative in all that.

1:50:04 And this just goes on and on. It's really, it's very confirming, obviously, for our bias. And I don't know if he goes into Afghanistan in his book and the poppies there, but there you go. I didn't know some of this. I didn't know that OxyContin was sold as non-addictive. No, but I think he said it differently. He said that for the first 14 years it had no addiction. No, no, before he said that, which I heard too, before that he said that initially... Yes, right, he does say that. Initially non-addictive, yeah. But I don't believe that for a second.

1:50:44 Well, we know it's addictive, but you don't believe that the sales guys... Oh no, I believe that. No, that part I believe. Of course, I don't believe that it's not addictive. No, it's obviously addictive. I mean, we already know that by now. It's the gateway drug. So that was FDA then, I guess, who said it was okay and non-addictive? That claim, if that claim was true? I guess they would have to confirm that pitch because you can't just go out and say anything you want. Well, let's see if Trump can get to take on the insurance industry first before he tries the pharmaceutical. They will kill anybody in their way. There's no doubt about that.

1:51:21 Yes, I do have a Trump clip then it talked about somebody there was a very good There's a couple new books on Reagan coming out and one and so they had on C-SPAN again They had this discussion and I thought this was an interesting observation. This guy's no Trump fan but most these guys are all Reagan fans and they're arguing details about the way the the Reagan Reagan operated and this guy is not a big fan of Trump, but he's a fan of Reagan. And this is actually kind of an interesting commentary. This is Trump versus Reagan, the old folks home story. Maybe if we had been allowed to do some of these interesting policy innovations that apply Reaganite principles to contemporary problems, we would have won over some of those people, the Republican Party and not let them grow so frustrated that they drew in with this vast populist enterprise that has no

1:52:13 a serious connection to anything like mainstream intellectual conservatism. And I'll just close with this last point. One of the things that made Reagan an incredibly successful president was that the staff knew what the old man believed. And that is incredibly empowering to the bureaucracy, to the senior political appointees. If you know where the old man's coming down on something, you don't have to go ask for permission to do it. You basically get to carry the ball forward. That, more than anything else, is one of the biggest problems with the Trump presidency so far. On any given day, he's like a patient from an old age home wandering off into the snow. You never know where he's going to go. No one feels empowered to actually follow through on a policy about anything. And it makes a lot of serious people unwilling

1:53:06 to enter the administration because they don't feel like he'll get his back, get their backs when they need it. And that is an enormous problem and it is a sign that Ronald Reagan was a much smarter administrator and politician who managed to keep the tribes together. in a way that Donald Trump simply has no intuitive grasp for. And I think that is one of the reasons why historians will not look back and see Donald Trump as much of a comparative figure to Ronald Reagan. Thank you. That is just a beautiful picture he painted for me. It was pretty funny. I had my eyes closed seeing Trump in his bathrobe, you know.

1:53:43 With the suspenders on his socks, wandering through the snow. Now I think he probably got that right because I get this, I've always had this sense, it's always bothered me about Trump. Which is that, and this Jeff Sessions little back and forth I think was part of this where he just starts slamming Sessions for no apparent reason because he's not doing whatever Trump wanted at the moment. Is that you never get the sense that Trump is like the kind of leader that'll take one for the team. No. Or cover for anybody. He's more of the type that... You've worked for these guys. Different managers have different styles. This guy has the style of letting chaos rule, I believe. And I've seen managers that do this and get away with it. Who the hell is breaking this all the time? Who was it that I worked for that was like that? I don't know. What do you think?

1:54:33 There's different people that do this, have this kind of, they just don't have any control over the operation. And it just goes, kind of goes haywire. And then there's no boss that will take, there's no guys like, I can count on this, my, I can count on my boss to cover for me, to back me up. And there's no sense of anybody backing anybody up in this particular administration. I don't see that changing. And I think that's, nobody bitches about that. Mean there's something to bitch about seems to me if you really don't like the administration, but it's not impeachable I guess so maybe you know What's the point of bitching about it? And how does that relate to Afghanistan and the poppies I? Had I had a connection there you have an Afghan Trump clip. Well. Let's play it Afghans will secure and build okay stop stop. I have to set this up I

1:55:30 This is the summary the way I see it and by the way, I think the left Dropped the ball. I'm gonna explain how they dropped the ball after this clip plays. This is Trump going on You know reading from the prompter he sucks at prompter reading to such an extreme that he should be practicing it more you know, he says stuff like well, I remember that and that's the way the world is And war two ended. I mean, he's just, he's not good. He really stinks, but he's giving his little, but they like it. Oh, he's okay, he's presidential. No, he's not. So he reached for the prompter and I'm going to tell you the bit that he, that the left has dropped the ball on if they want to just condemn Trump for everything he does, they should have condemned him for something that you'll hear. But just summarize what's going to happen, paratroops or not.

1:56:23 Afghans will secure and build their own nation and define their own future. We want them to succeed, but we will no longer use American military might to construct democracies in faraway lands or try to rebuild other countries in our own image. Those days are now over. Instead, we will work with allies and partners to protect our shared interests. We are not asking others to change their way of life, but to pursue common goals that allow our children to live better and safer lives.

1:57:00 This principled realism will guide our decisions moving forward. Military power alone will not bring peace to Afghanistan or stop the terrorist threat arising in that country. But strategically applied force aims to create the conditions for a political process to achieve a lasting peace. America will work with the Afghan government as long as we see determination and progress. However, our commitment is not unlimited and our support is not a blank check. He talked about a political process. Here's where the left drops the ball. If you really, if you really deconstruct what he just said, because he's not going to change their culture.

1:57:50 Trump's encouraging pedophilia in Afghanistan. He's given the green light to pedophilia with boys. A little In the Morning. In the morning for you there. I was wondering where you were going. Our show discusses this, this issue. But I mean it doesn't it doesn't get discussed a lot of the mainstream media, but it's but this is a problem You know that you would from a liberal perspective you would want to comment on this And I think they dropped the ball on this because you can give Trump crap But then again you can't I mean it's just that they're kind of painted into a corner. I guess I I read

1:58:35 The transcript, and I'm scrambling here to see if I can find it, I can't. But I recall in the transcript, that I don't know if he said, I thought it was going to be in this piece you played, that he said, as long as we get to be part of the rebuilding process. There was something about it, did you catch that at all? Could somebody in the chat room please find me a transcript? There was something minor about that. I think it followed what I, the clip I had. I thought my clip kind of ended with, you know, blank check. I thought it was a good ending. And the rest of it was just blah, blah, blah, who cares. It was on and on. Well, there's two things. One, political process, which means, well, regime change is what he's talking about. Political process. But he keeps talking about the Taliban and the, I mean, he's talking about the Taliban being part of the situation. This is not going to work. This is nonsense.

1:59:22 I need, I really need someone to... Someone's gonna find that for me. By the way, it being show day, there's an active shooter apparently in Charlottesville, but I'm reading now the mayor says it's not terrorism, it is just a disgruntled employee described as a quote an older black man. Show day. Yeah, it's nothing. Who cares? It's nothing. Well, yeah, they dropped the ball. I agree. Yeah. But no one's listening. No one pays attention. Now we're listening and we're paying attention on this show. I told you several episodes ago that there is a problem with Haitian refugees leaving the country, going to Candinavia.

2:00:16 And the reason for this, I want to explain the reason for this move is after the Haiti earthquake machine, after the Haiti earthquake, Haitians were given a temporary asylum in the United States. That was then extended. Under President Barack Obama and that extension is coming up for expiration There's I don't know if there's any talk of renewal, but it's coming up for expiration and the Haitians are saying well, this is probably You know probably time to go figure out another place to live because the extension and that's what it is And we said yeah, no problem come in temporarily You'll have to go back. That's just what we said

2:01:03 But CNN misrepresented this to such a degree that I had to play this report. I cut it down several minutes. Yes, there is some mention of some Haitian people, but they have people who've been in the country for 17 years, people from Yemen, Muslims. It's all Trump's fault because he's scaring the immigrants. And you listen carefully and you tell me if this is not misrepresenting the situation. But Trump is scaring the immigrants to move to Canada. This border between the United States and Canada is little more than a dirt path across a narrow ditch. In the past two months, it has become a highway with waves of immigrants fleeing the US. Maybe America have a problem for Syrian people or for maybe for Muslim people. I don't know. Have you heard that? People have said that there's a problem for Syrians and for Muslims here in America? Yeah.

2:01:53 Uncertainty about what the Trump administration will do and fear in the current climate is driving this exodus. Particularly now among Haitians who believe the protected status they've had since the devastating 2010 earthquake will be cancelled. Melissa Paul was born in Florida and is a US citizen. Her mother decided that after 15 years... Cancel is not the same as expired. No, of course it isn't! And that was it. That was the only mention of it and then they talked to anyone but Haitians. Oh brother. Yeah, no it's... 2010 earthquake will be cancelled. Melissa Paul was born in Florida. That's a good catch by the way. I didn't even catch the cancel bit. Good one. Among Haitians who believe the protected status they've had since the devastating 2010 earthquake will be cancelled. Even saying protective status is wrong. Asylum. Status as an asylum seeker. Protective status?

2:02:47 Melissa Paul was born in Florida and is a US citizen. Her mother decided that after 15 years, it was time to go. I know us for the best. The Canadian police warned them. Ma'am, if you do cross the line, we'll arrest you, like all other people here. That's the goal. Get arrested and request asylum. Canada says the number of asylum seekers crossing from the U.S. into Quebec is unprecedented. 3,000 in July, almost 4,000 in just the first half of August. Around 250 people every day. They're coming so fast, the army has set up tents at the border as they're processed. Most are then taken to Montreal, whose temporary housing is overflowing.

2:03:29 So many beds needed that even the city's Olympic Stadium is a shelter. Francine Dupuy helps asylum seekers settle. It's not going to be an open door. That's definitely not. And it's sad because we do think that many of them believe that they are here to stay, which is not necessarily true. Did you ever think that you would see people so desperate to get out of the United States? Well, the atmosphere has certainly changed recently because now people are sort of, they don't know what is going to happen and that creates anxiety. Anxiety that Nidal Al-Yamani felt living legally in Alabama. He's from Yemen, one of the countries on President Trump's travel ban.

2:04:16 You had a life in the US. You were studying, you had a job, and yet you decided to completely uproot and come to Canada and start from zero. Because I don't have a future there. Why not? It's not guaranteed there. I love this. My future's not guaranteed anymore. You're an illegal. How did you feel crossing that border into Canada, leaving behind that life that you'd built for more than three years? So bad. I swear, like, it was the worst one hour for me. I really, like, I loved U.S.A., and I still love U.S.A. as a people, as a community, as everything.

2:04:53 More and more every day deciding that this nation of immigrants is no longer a welcome home for immigrants fleeing with the hope that their next stop will be. So I found that to be very disingenuous. We know that it's 98%... I'm sorry, 97% of all scientists say it's Haitians who are moving there. And yeah, I'm sure you get some people who've been around for 17, 18 years and they want to move. And a call out to our Candanavian producers, I need some boots on the ground reporting. What are people saying? Do you have Antifa? Do you have them saying, oh, you can't turn these people back? And what do you feel about your prime minister? The United States apparently is frustrated by a lack of information on the would-be refugees who have been crossing into Canada. Why isn't Canada's border agency telling the United States more information about who these recent border crossers are?

2:05:45 No, it's not. Are and how they got there. I know that it is a very good thing that our Minister of Public Safety Ralph Goodale is right now meeting with Homeland Security Secretary Kelly to discuss these and other issues. Canada has a strong and rigorous system for processing refugees and immigrants. We do not compromise on security. We ensure that we know everything there is to know about people arriving to our shores. And at the same time, we are also committed to protecting the privacy rights of Canadians and of people in Canada. And as we move forward in a way that is close collaboration and partnership with our friends and allies, we continue to understand that it is important to defend people's rights. Getting that balance right is always

2:06:44 a thoughtful and engaged process in which we will continue to work carefully with allies like the United States to ensure that we're both meeting the needs and concerns around security and staying true to respecting our rights. You can't have it both ways, Mr. Trudeau. You can't be the open, fun-loving Canada and at the same time be sending these people back. Or, it sounds to me like they're talking about ramping up surveillance because we have to be mindful of our citizens' privacy. I'm not sure why else he would mention that. I think he's telegraphing something, doesn't even realize it. But I'd like to know, how is this going down in Canada? What do people think? Are we going to have protests? Are you going to have the same thing here? Are you worse than we are, Canada?

2:07:38 I mean, will you have sanctuary cities? I need to know. I'm very, I'm very excited. Sanctuary city in Canada. This is gonna happen. What's gonna happen? We'll see. We'll see. Right now they're putting him in the stadium. Oh well. Well, yeah, they're gonna have to good. I think maybe this is our scheme all along Send them all to Canada beautiful go to Canada. That's great And when apparently once you're in you as you request asylum, then you know, then you're in do it

2:08:15 So I picked up, I was watching one of these, you know, American Heroes Channel or something. One of these, you know, they either play Hitler histories or aliens on the moon. Yeah, it's good stuff, good stuff. Yeah, but they also did this whole CIA series, which I'm wondering how they got, I don't know where they got the permission to do these, but They played the outline of the Guatemalan takeover that the CIA orchestrated in 1954, which is one of the early schemes when the CIA was really trying to take over governments and cause revolutions. They're having a lot of fun. And I believe that this particular story here, and I've been saving this for about a month,

2:09:05 about the Guatemalan takeover in 1954 and the way the CIA orchestrated it, which was mostly through lying. It counted for a couple of things. One, it brought into the schools, which by the way doesn't make any sense anymore, but they still talk about it. Oh, the first thing you want to do in a revolution is take over the radio station. Yeah, of course. Yeah, well, this is where it comes from. It comes from this particular episode in time in 1954. This doesn't work anymore, by the way. As far as I can see. But I think that this model that they created is the one they still try to use, even though they try to use it on the public itself, like American public, in their battle against Trump perhaps. But it's a fascinating story.

2:09:58 Because it was, they took over a whole country with more or less nothing but bull crap. Just lies. So let's try this, let's listen to this, I think it'd be fun. Eight days into the CIA-backed coup of Guatemala, and rebel leader Castillo Armas still hasn't ousted the Guatemalan president, Jacobo Arbenz, from power. Two new fighter planes and psychological warfare have together begun to make their mark. And now the CIA plays its very last trick. Right at this critical stage, Phillips introduced what he called his most important big lie. The important big lie is the final stage of the fake radio broadcasts.

2:10:49 which present an entirely made-up version of the invasion. So in some ways there were two invasions. There was the real invasion that showed a paltry invasion force, its numbers reduced by half. And then there was the map created by Radio Liberacion. It suggested the force was having unimpeded progress. The CIA radio broadcasts tell of one victory after another. An invasion which in reality doesn't exist at all. Rebel forces were moving, they were moving towards the capital. The invasion was successful, the uprising was coming. It was one tale after another of the inevitable victory of the rebel forces. The biggest lie of all is when the radio reports that thousands and thousands of fictitious soldiers are closing in on Guatemala City itself.

2:11:49 And the lie was that two military columns were advancing on the capital, ready to take it over. The big lie gamble now pays off. Thousands fled the city. Car traffic stopped. The city itself was slowly becoming paralyzed. People ran to the outskirts of the city. They were fleeing to safety. This conjures up some fascinating ideas, but I'll wait because I know you have a second clip.

2:12:28 Yeah, this was an interesting, by the way, I think it's Denise D'Souza that one of these guys who just came up with a book called The Big Lie, which is talking about what's going on today. But this whole thing when you watch this, and it's a little longer than what I have obviously, it's just a fascinating mechanism that worked in 1954. And I think that the CIA and some of these other agencies, I think they're still using this old playbook, not to much effect, not to good effect. And I think a lot of the failures that took place in stories like the Legacy of Ashes and other books that came out discussing some of their flops. I think it's all because of this huge success that took place. Let's play part two. The critical moment of the big lie is when the senior officers turn against the Guatemalan president. The big payoff for black psyops comes.

2:13:21 When several army colonels make clear to Arbenz that they're not going to stand with him, they basically tell him, you and your communist friends have got us in trouble with the Americans, and now you've got to step down. One by one, the officers around Arbenz distance themselves from the isolated president. So you're a colonel in the Guatemalan Army. You're hearing news of military action and you're starting to ask yourself, where am I going to be? Where am I going to stand when the dust settles? Politically isolated, the pressure on Arbenz surges to dizzying heights. Not only does he fear defeat at the hand of Armas, but also the terrifying prospect that America is behind him.

2:14:10 It's not the issue of us fighting Castillo Armas and his guys. It's that the United States is threatening to invade and we'd have to fight them. He was sitting in his presidential office, bewildered and unsure what to do. He had collapsed internally. The CIA had brilliantly undermined him. And that was really the end of his brain. With the officers turning against him, on June 27th, Arbenz resigns. He just couldn't handle it. The psychological pressures were too enormous. Ten days later, Castillo Armas is sworn in as Guatemala's new president. The exiled colonel, who just over a week earlier was a relatively unknown figure, is now the most powerful man in the country.

2:15:11 In Washington, Operation PB Success goes down as a huge victory. By all accounts, this is an operation that should not have succeeded. This was made possible by gutsy determination and in some ways, Crazy abandon. Operation PB success was a brilliant deception. One of the great artistic achievements of illusion that the CIA ever produced. Beautiful theater of the mind. I love it. Yes, it's great. And you know, I think we could teach CIA a lesson because this would still work today.

2:15:52 But, you know, the whole concept of a radio or television, that's not how you want to do this. I know we could actually do this. So here's the scene. You're going to do this on Facebook Live. That's how you're going to do it with a crappy ass iPhone. You're going to go down in the dark and, you know, it's like I'm on the Texas border with Mexico. It's like, John, I'm here. I'm seeing, I think we have ISIS. ISIS is actually coming across the border, John. I'm telling you we could freak people out

2:16:36 People would take it seriously. I guarantee you people will take it seriously. Well, the bogus reports remember during the I guess parts during part of the Syrian conflict and where they had this people doing live reports from one of the rock not rocket, but whatever palms or whatever the Town was and there's no proof of any of it Yeah, I mean the big the gas attack that Trump took, you know took us serious. Yeah, which seemed pretty sketchy Yeah Uh, the Russians denied all this, right. But, but all of this, this is being done on a, on a mediocre basis. But if you had some, you know, some hotshots doing it, somebody that really could do it well, wag the dog level, I think you could have some fun with it. Yeah. But they need to do it on Facebook. You have to have something you want to accomplish. They need to do it on Facebook live. That's for sure. That's the only way to do it. They give multiple, multiple reports, whatever it is, whatever you want to do.

2:17:35 Yeah, well the news media. I mean the big networks. They fall for it because they're besides the fact that they're not there don't seem to be that bright is They've already fallen for they followed Trump's tweets. You know like it's a Word from you know Mount Zion or something it's just oh Trump tweeted today and he another tweet came here and a tweet came there and yeah, then they have different analysts come on and look at the tweets and Kind of go on analyzing the tweets. What did he mean? He's unglued! Unglued, unhinged, big orange Cheeto. I'm gonna show my salute by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. On No Agenda, moaning. And we do have some people to thank for show 958. Yes. 958 heading to 959.

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2:23:32 And first of all we congratulate the Dent Man, Dennis Cruz. Trevor will be celebrating tomorrow and Trevor's happy birthday to his mom Barbara L. celebrating on my birthday September 3rd. Ron Pepper happy birthday to his sister Nona Sir Patrick Coble to his son James who turned seven on August 22nd and Megan Richley who says happy birthday to her husband Dave. She has a note here. His birthday is tomorrow. He turned me, our 19 and 15 year old sons onto you guys in the last six months. How refreshing it is to listen to some reason in the world. Well, happy birthday and happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. We have no nights, no title changes. No nights again. We need insta nights. No nothing. No nothing. No nothing. No nothing.

2:24:28 But I do have a nice little ditty, something we've talked about, that we've talked about extensively. I think you kind of turned me on to it about the jury pool being... Oh, being corrupted by TV? Being corrupted. Yeah, thinking that everything's like, zoom in, rotate, enhance. Yes, we got them. Get your DNA back in 15 minutes. Yeah, the DNA is what it's... And it's finally coming to a head. the DNA scam, even the brain professor put a post on the face bag about the headache of the DNA crisis. As it turns out, you know, these DNA tests aren't all that great. They are not always so incredibly conclusive. Then new cases are being opened up and it's just not the way it is in CSI Miami or New York or any other CSI for that matter.

2:25:19 Inside Edition, of all programs, did their own version of proving there's something up by testing identical twins, triplets, and even quadruplets with the commercially available 23andMe and what is it, Ancestry DNA. I think they tested all of them. This is me. The commercials run day and night. Simple swab of the cheek from family tree DNA. Companies offering to unlock the secrets to your ancestry. Order your DNA kit for only $99 today. of people are buying these home DNA test kits. Here we go.

2:25:58 So we got to wondering how accurate are they? What would happen if, for example, triplets took the tests? You'd certainly expect them to have identical ancestry. I think they'll be the same. I think it'll be the same. So we found a set of identical triplets. We have to have the same DNA. Erica McGraw is the daughter-in-law of Dr. Phil McGraw. Her husband Jay is the executive producer of TV's The Doctors. Erica and her sisters used the popular test 23andMe. We also tested the Maynard triplets. You may remember them from their appearance on American Idol.

2:26:40 We sent their swabs to a test kit company called family tree DNA and these identical triplets from New Jersey used a kit from Ancestry DNA we even added in this rare set of identical quadruplets There's something that they can all sing apparently You are all 99% European. But the test from 23andMe also showed some surprising differences. For example, Nicole, you're 11% French and German. But Erica, you're 22.3% French and German. Wow, that's weird. And Jacqueline, you're 18%. Let's see how the Maynard triplets did with their test from Family Tree DNA. According to the kit you took, these are the results.

2:27:30 They all showed British Isles ancestry, but how is it that the range was so different? Aaron had 59%, Mandy 66%, and Melissa 70%. And how is it possible that Mandy showed 6% Scandinavian ancestry, but her identical sisters showed none? We're not to a place yet where you can just spit in a cup and have every single answer that you're looking for. I think that that's what people need to be aware of. Since our test, family tree DNA says they've improved their alcohol tolerance. algorithm and they'll be implementing the new method in the next several weeks. 23andMe said the results they feature on their website have a 50% confidence level but if a customer chooses a higher level of confidence the results will be more generic. It's bullcrap. It's total bullcrap. I'm very disappointed that no one in this group was Ashkenazi Jew. That makes no sense because everyone's Ashkenazi Jew according to these tests.

2:28:33 Well, that reminds me again of the jury pool being corrupted with the idea that what we just witnessed here, which seems to indicate this is nonsense, with my favorite thing. And I don't have to talk to you aloud about this. I actually have some lab stuff I want to have done with some chemicals I'm looking for that might be- Wow, what chemicals are you talking about? Manganese. And so I'm looking at the thing goes like this, what are we gonna do? We haven't got his DNA, he's not gonna volunteer to give us a swab. I've got the glass he touched! Yes! He touched the glass! We've got him!

2:29:16 Yeah, okay. You get you, he left him from through his greasy hand. He's left his DNA somehow. And by the way, another one, I think that they missed out on an inside edition because you know, that's a good show and Victoria works there. Yeah. We know Vicky and she, uh, anyway, the idea is to do a dog swab. I put somebody at this and send that and see what the dog swabs comes back at. I know what it's going to be. Askenashie Jewel. Hey, I got a real phrase from the Shays. Since you're slacking. Yeah, I am slacking. I gotta get back on track. Yeah. Here's one. Blowing smoke up your ass. Okay. This is not just a saying.

2:30:05 This goes back to 1746 when a woman was left unconscious after nearly drowning. Her husband allegedly took the suggestion of administering a tobacco enema to revive her, a practice that was rising in popularity at the time as a possible answer to the frequent local instances of drowning. Blef, with little choice, the man took a tobacco-filled pipe, inserted the stem into his wife's rectum, and blew a bunch of smoke up there. As strange as it may sound today, it reportedly worked, the hot embers of the tobacco leaf jolting the wife back into consciousness, and the practice grew quickly from there.

2:30:41 This is a couple of articles that I put in the show notes. And by the late 1700s, the method had become a regularly applied medical procedure mostly used to revive people thought to be nearly deceased, usually drowning victims. The process was so common, in fact, that several major waterways kept the instrument consisting of bellows and a flexible tube nearby in case of such emergencies. So blowing smoke up my ass has a history. Wow. How about that? I'm stunned. You have to explain it in great detail.

2:31:51 You gonna tell me what you want to set it up or just play this clip? Now to a big consumer headline this evening. A shopping showdown as Google and Walmart announced they're teaming up to take on Amazon. Stepping up the fight for your money. NBC's Joe Fryer now with details. In the battle of the retail giants, brick-and-mortar powerhouse Walmart now has an unlikely ally, tech titan Google. Two huge companies teaming up to take on the country's biggest online retailer, Amazon. This partnership keeps Walmart relevant. They've owned the retail space of the past and this partnership with Google can propel them into the future.

2:32:28 This Google Walmart partnership starts in late September and will focus on voice activated shopping. Alexa, buy paper towels. The top search result for paper towels is Boundy White. It's an emerging e-commerce trend that uses these high-tech speakers. Alexa, order more dog food. Amazon currently dominates the market with a popular gadget called the Echo. Shoppers can order products simply by speaking. Alexa, food. I found glad tall trash bags. Would you like to buy it? Yes. Google's answer to the echo is the Google Home. Hey Google, it links consumers to Google Express, a virtual shopping mall with more than 40 retailers. Walmart's the first one letting customers link their store accounts to Google so the tech company can examine their shopping history to reorder

2:33:18 items faster and get recommendations. Voice ordering is the next frontier many think when it comes to ordering and Walmart wants to make sure that they've put their stake in the ground. For Google, analysts say it's a chance to boost sales for Google Home which lags behind the Echo. And for consumers... When companies compete they innovate and you know that lowers prices and makes it more convenient for the consumers. Giving shoppers... Alexa! Okay Google, a voice. I would like to remind everybody that several years ago, I tested this device and I said if this had an Apple logo on it, people would be losing their crap over it. And I was correct. And I think I also said correctly, this is the shopping interface of the future. And that's what it's for. That has always been their intent. I know you don't like it.

2:34:13 Bass owners and by the way you can link your Walmart account yeah great has a Walmart account to link you'd be surprised All right, so here's the problem. Okay. Go ahead. I mean you can stop me but You go, order me some paper towels, order me some garbage bags. Do you ever get to get out of the house? Go shop and go buy your garbage bags. For one thing, I'm not going to be able to get the garbage bags I want. The ones I want are just specific one at Costco. I have to go to Costco and when I go to Costco I might pick up some other things like some red wine or some lamb chops. There's a lot of things you want to do. I'm not going to order this stuff with my voice. I'd like some... because when I go buy the lamb chops, I have X number of people coming over and I have to count the number of lamb chops in the package.

2:35:04 And whether they're thick or whether they're all beat up or they're fatty, maybe I look at the meat. I said, this meat's too fatty. I don't want this meat. And I go buy something else. I make a change on the spot. I make a change on the fly. You can't do that with all this kind of bull crap ordering. And I don't know what kind of, you know, I like paper towels. There's a lot of different kinds of paper towels. And I like to, I personally like the ones that get prints on them. I think they're funny. and they look, you know, they're old lady paper towels. And you look at, oh, this paper towels are on sale, let me get those. Or I go to Target, I'll buy some paper towels there. I'm just not rigid, I'm buying just one thing. Oh, I'm gonna get lamb chops, whether they're good or bad. This is nonsense, this is crazy. People should, they should refuse to do business with this horrible machine. All right, I am going to give you my report from the 21st century.

2:35:54 that I am responsible for the pantry in this household. Tina has a real job. I, however, am a podcaster. And yeah, I really... I really don't get out of the house much, I'll be the first to admit that. But here is how I do it. There are a number of items that I order through Amazon for the household. The shampoo, conditioner, you know, deodorant, and I'll order packs of five, you know, it's handy, it's very handy. And most of these come from Amazon. Okay, hold on.

2:36:32 You're ordering shampoo from Amazon using the talking device? Do you want me to- I'll tell you what I'm doing. The talking device. Well, let me write that down. The talking stick, John. Talking- using the talking stick? The talking stick. Yes, I'm using the talking stick, you see. Yes, because once you have ordered it through Amazon, yes, it's in my history, then I only have to say, book of knowledge, because as you know I've changed my name, mine's name, I say book of knowledge, and I say reorder shampoo. And then the talking stick will say, oh, in your history you have this, do you want me to reorder it? And I say yes, and it's done, and it's very convenient.

2:37:16 The other thing I have here in the 21st century is Instacart. Austin is a testbed for all of these services. And this is where you pay someone else's child of the same age to go and get your groceries. So, um, and I do the same thing. All the annoying big heavy stuff, and I already know what I like, and I can buy from Costco through the app. I can order anything from Costco in their Costco sizes through the app or HEB or Whole Foods or whatever and I can order it all mix and match doesn't have to be from one store and then someone else's child brings it to my door And I'll even say, come on in and put it right here on the kitchen counter and I can put it away. And you pay a fee for that, obviously, but it's less than the grief you would get from your kids for doing it. This, of course, used to take place in the 30s, 40s and 50s.

2:38:08 Most grocery stores have this service and many of them continue to have this service. I'm seeing it. I'm actually seeing a resurgence HDB now has its own delivery service and their app because it's really the convenience of the app and how it tracks So when it's time for me to you know, maybe twice a week I go into the app and I see view what I previously ordered like click click click click click now every day. I Almost every day, except show days. Around three, I hop in the truck and I drive to the grocery store and I select what I'm going to cook for that evening. I will look at it, because of course I'm not going to have someone, some Instacart shopper or the talking stick deliver my prime meat or fish or chicken for that matter. I don't really eat chicken anymore. Really, I need to do that myself.

2:38:59 And it's very enjoyable, John, because then I don't have to lug around all the other heavy crap. I like the paper- I like the bounty paper towel that has the half sheets, but I don't want any, like, gay designs on it. And that just comes- I resemble that. And by the way, they have ha- most of the paper towels now have half sheets. I like- well, I like the half sheets. So everybody likes to have anyway, I will tell you being from the future Amazon has a lock on this. They were very smart to do it. They have a lock on it. And yes, all of the privacy concerns, all that's all perfectly valid. I'm just saying they have a lock on it and all they need to do is buy Instacart and you just say, I reorder that, reorder that. I need some of that. And then the child will bring it.

2:39:51 This is, people like this. It's a slave. Yes, hello, yes it is, but it's a paid slave. Well let's go back, okay, well that's fine. I'm glad that this is working out for you. Now, but let's go back to the story. What chance do you think Google, and what, is it even legal? Does anyone think Google is like pushing their luck here with antitrust? With what they're teaming up with Walmart? This isn't a positive thing for society. No. What do you think of the Google-Walmart deal? Yeah, I mean the privacy concerns is really the issue. But, you know, look. And if they're going to compete with, if Google's teaming up with Walmart, are they going to try to screw over, because Google has the ability to do that, screw over Amazon somehow? They're going to try. I'm sure they will. This is what the battle is about.

2:40:53 I'm very happy I'm in Austin. I do get to try all this stuff. It's, and you know, the same with favor. It's another one. It's like, you know, on the days that we don't feel like going out or don't feel like cooking, it's like just have some child bring the food from the actual restaurant we didn't want to go to. It's a beautiful thing. Yes, well there's, you know, they can get that. But meanwhile, to play into your question, Sonos, and I have a Sonos system here, wireless speaker system, they just updated their terms of service saying, okay, here's all the stuff we're going to track, IP addresses, logins, although of course we don't keep, we keep your salted hash password, blah, blah, blah, devices you use, I mean all the typical stuff. But if you do not agree to the terms of service,

2:41:37 Then we cannot guarantee your devices will work. So you really have to really have to agree to the term. What devices are you talking about? The wireless speakers from Sonos. That's what you use for your Hello Google? No, no, but they're going to implement one. They're going. So they're going to go in as a third party and what they're going to interface with the Amazon or Walmart or do you have any idea? My thinking from what I've read is that they will try to integrate all of the services. They want to be the speakers. They don't want to develop their own uh, voice stick stick voice. They want to be able to incorporate Siri and Google Cortana, whatever. And, uh, then Alexa, all of that. What are you going to say to it? Are you going to say Cortana does Cortana stuff? I think so. Yeah, I think so. Hello, Cortana. That's their idea. That's I don't know. I'm Siri, not Cortana. I rebuke Cortana. They could be fighting with each other. What about if you're using a VPN? How's that working? I don't know.

2:42:36 Now, I'm going to move on to two other quick topics. One is Spotify. I'm watching this very closely. Spotify is gearing up to for their initial public offering. This company does not make any money, they lose money, and arguably the music business is ruined because of this, because of the streaming. I think I can argue that point, I won't do it now. First news we got early in the week is Goldman Sachs already sold a lot of their insider shares before they even got on the roadshow for the IPO. And now Spotify, I believe, is so desperate, they plan to bypass the IPO and list directly on the New York Stock Exchange without an institutional trading house behind them.

2:43:27 Are they going to do a reverse merger? How are they going to do that? That's not doable. Well, I can read the article from Bloomberg for you. Yes, please. Spotify executives have met with US regulators scrutinizing the music company's plan to skip a traditional share sale and list directly on the New York Stock Exchange. Senior Spotify executives met with US Securities and Exchange Commission officials last month said the people who asked not to be identified discussed at private meetings. Regulators asked for the meeting to get details on the plan by the world's largest paid music streaming service to do an end run around initial public offering, the conventional route to listing shares. The company has remained in touch with the SEC and talks are ongoing.

2:44:07 I'm going to have to ask somebody how this works because the reason you do the IPO is because you offer a bunch of shares, 20 million shares to raise them and you sell them directly and you take that money and put it in your coffers. If you're going to just dribble it out as though it was already being traded, where's the big pot of money? It's not an IPO. This is what's... I think they can't... What's the point? I don't think they can get an underwriter. I think that's the problem. I think everyone looked at Spotify and went, I'm not going to underwrite that piece of crap. I thought you said Goldman Sachs was going to do it. But they sold their shares. Well that's fine, you can still be out of it and just underwrite for the basis of the company getting some money. Yeah but underwriting means that you stand guaranteed to buy those shares when it starts trading and they clearly don't believe in it. Lower the price.

2:45:00 You know, you could say, I don't understand. I'm gonna have to look into this, because this makes zero sense to me. Spotify is a well-known company. People invest in anything. It could possibly make money somewhere down the road after destroying the industry. That sounds like a horror story, the monster that ate Hollywood. All right, but talk to Horowitz about it. He may know something. And then finally, just for me, I just had to chuckle as Volkswagen apparently has announced they're going to build an electric version of the Volkswagen microbus. Yes. And I wanted to get your take on this because the way I looked and it was, oh, so cool. Totally getting want on my Pinterest, need it. Oh, yes. I'm thinking to myself, self,

2:45:55 The Volkswagen bus represented the ultimate freedom machine. You got your bus, you threw a mattress in it, you were driving across the country to Monterey, baby. You were going everywhere through the desert. You had freedom! How, in Allah's name, does the electric version of that convey the same freedom? It doesn't. And no one is saying, gee, It's just, it's brain damage. Global brain damage. Yeah, I agree with that. Electric vehicles. And we're all, can't wait to get it. God, I'll be free for 150 miles. Give that. I'm free. I'm free to go to Whole Foods. I'm free to go to... And hopefully there'll be a charging station. Every time the local Whole Foods here in Berkeley, and this is going to be everywhere, the local Whole Foods, you go there,

2:46:58 You know, I take my gasoline car and I go there and I look at these all these charging racks there and they're all full. Yeah, yes. There's four of them. They could have 20 of them. They'd be full. They're full up. And then yesterday when I went there to get somewhere yesterday, the day before, whenever, recently, I go there and one of the electrical things is just laying there on the thing where you can roll over it with a shopping guy. These things are dangerous. Yeah, there's a lot of the amps are amperage is quite high on these charging stations. They can be dangerous they we know that the EMTs and firefighters receive special instructions on what to and what not to do when there's a Electric vehicle involved in an incident or hybrid yeah, you can get electrocuted. Yeah easily yeah, well

2:47:45 Well you can burn to death in a gasoline car. Have you seen the counter argument? The Teslas flame out, they can flame. Well we got a note from one of our producers who's bitching. He says that they don't want us to talk about it because you know every time you talk about anything with regarding the Tesla must calls you personally and yells at you. Is that he says the underside of where the batteries all are so unprotected that if you And this happens to everybody at least once every few years. You'll be driving along and you hit something on the road and it goes under and bangs the underneath of your car. Bottoms out, yeah, bottoms the pan, yeah. Or bangs, you know, something that goes flying in there, boom!

2:48:23 He says it happened to him and it wrecked the car because of just the this. It totaled the car. And he says the insurance was $100,000. The whole thing was he had to take all the insurance. He lost, ended up losing the car. It was a lease thing or something. He lost a lot of money by driving this thing around. I don't know. I didn't know. I mean, I could read the letter. It was a tale of woe, let's put it that way. Yeah. I just continue to be amazed. The people buy into this idea of freedom, freedom cars and just beautiful free. I'm free finally from big oil. Screw those guys. They're like tobacco guys lying everywhere. Just I hate Trump. I've got my electric vehicle.

2:49:12 So I had a I got just short clip This is a woman that they're getting her chance. She's on PBS the national show. She's a local from Phoenix She's reporting on the Trump rally. Oh, she's oh good good good good good, and so she makes it this short clip she makes a gaffe and You can just see she's Trying to figure out if she should do anything. No, she's gonna plow through it using the old Maybe nobody will notice follow him. They're still with the president Arizona has been a red conservative state for many many years Although I do have to mention that in the 2016 election Hillary Trump was behind Donald Trump just by 3.5% so right now

2:50:07 No one noticed honey. You were great. No one heard it. Don't worry about it. You're fantastic. You'll do even better next time I'll give you I'm gonna give you a clip of the day. I'm generous today I'll give you that one. Give you that one. Give you that I was wondering about the genesis of the report that North Korea has miniaturized nukes nukes And I was wondering about this and you know how did this just pop up all of a sudden? How did this just come to the forefront? What is it? Where did it come from? This is a podcast. Colonel John Antal, I think.

2:50:47 He's retired. I think some of his he gives list some of his his credits in this clip and he knows he knows where the report came from. That's correct. I served seven years in Korea in different tours. I commanded a tank battalion, but consisting of infantry, armor and artillery. There was a task force actually, Dragon Force, they called it in on the DMZ for two years, and also served in high level staff in the in the Combined Forces Command and the The United States forces Korea. Plus, I was very involved with the Third Armored Corps in the United States at Fort Hood, involving planning for contingencies if we ever went to war in Korea. So I've been following it very closely. I travel there a lot. I know a lot of people in the Korean military and, of course, our U.S. military, and I've been keeping very abreast of the situation and talking with some of the decision-makers. So it's interesting right now to see where we are.

2:51:39 Let's talk a little bit about the rocket capability and the news from a DIA report leaked into the American media that they have miniaturized nuclear warheads. In other words, they have, at least from a standpoint of pieces on the ground, a complete ICBM weapons system. It doesn't look like they've done an all-up test. But what are your thoughts on that particular happenstance? and the fact that we now know that those miniaturized warheads exist. Well, a report came out today saying that President Obama was briefed about that about a year ago. So we... Okay. So... Offers new... It's all bullcrap. It's totally all bullcrap. I only have the one... I want you to play us out, but I have a question. Do you remember Liz McCain?

2:52:30 She was the BBC reporter who exposed Jimmy Savile and all the pedophilia going on in certainly in show business in the UK. Yeah. And she actually quit in 2013 after executives decided to ban her investigation and said, no, no, we can't be reporting on this. You remember her? Vaguely. Well, she's dead. 52. Why would I laugh? 52. Yeah, there you go. He's dead. Yeah, she's dead. The point you've always been making yeah yeah, this is why we don't talk about it. That's why the that's why the Station was burned down. Thanks to you. Yes. Yeah, you start talking about the elites in their pedophilia and before you know it You're dead. You got a number three best-selling book on the New York Times bestseller list. Oh

2:53:23 Well, let's finish with another screwy story, which is this is the second missile destroyer. Yes. That was rammed by a tanker and they fired. It's not in this report, but they fired the head of the 7th Fleet, I think yesterday. And this is like now at this point, somebody's got to say, is the Navy been hacked or what? Tonight, the Navy has now ordered an investigation looking into the performance of its entire Pacific fleet as it pauses operations worldwide. NBC's Janice Mackey-Frayer is in Singapore with more. Tonight, once again, a frantic search at sea for missing U.S. sailors. Ten unaccounted for after the USS John S. McCain was struck by a tanker. The destroyer gashed, dented and listing.

2:54:21 Navy officials now ordering a temporary halt to their entire operations to figure out why two incredibly sophisticated Navy ships have collided with other vessels in just two months. Chief of Naval Operations broader inquiry will look at all related accidents, incidents at sea. It happened in the darkness, 524 a.m. local time, the USS McCain passing east of the busy Strait of Malacca on its way to Singapore, colliding violently with a larger 600-foot oil and chemical tanker. The USS McCain taking on water, including flooding inside the rooms where crew members sleep. Yes, but I have thoughts and information.

2:55:08 Yeah, you first. I'm interested well. I I truly now believe in conjunction with what happened in Cuba with the sonic weapon I believe we have a clip for that if you want to play it. Yes. Let's play it. Where what is it it is? Cuban diplomat fiasco. Yeah, okay good. Next tonight to that diplomatic mystery now deepening we've reported here on several US officials working in Cuba suffering symptoms so serious they were rushed home for treatment. At one point it was blamed on some sort of sonic device. Well tonight the State Department is now being asked did any of the workers suffer from traumatic brain injury? ABC's Victor Akendo from Miami tonight.

2:55:51 Tonight, new details about the mysterious illness that sickened American officials in Cuba. This is unprecedented. We have not seen this type of activity take place before. The State Department revealing today that some of those Americans had to be medically evacuated to Miami for treatment and testing. The best equipment is not going to necessarily be on the ground in Cuba. We are bringing people to the best medical experts. on the mainland in the United States. Starting in December of 2016, sources say it appears some officials were exposed to a sonic device in Havana that caused serious health problems and physical symptoms including hearing loss. Now sources are telling our Miami station WPLG those symptoms included memory loss, loss of balance and vision issues. Experts tell ABC News that sound waves above and

2:56:39 below the range of human hearing could potentially cause permanent damage. The State Department today pressed on a report that some officials were diagnosed with injuries as severe as brain injury. I'm not going to confirm the medical status of any US government personnel but what has happened there is of great concern to the US government. The US has responded by expelling two Cuban diplomats earlier this year, the Secretary of State recently calling it an attack and demanding answers. We hope the Cuban authorities responsible for finding out who is carrying out these health attacks on not just our diplomats, but as you've seen now there are other cases with other diplomats as well.

2:57:18 Yeah, I'm really forming an opinion based on evidence that we see here, or at least, you know, these clips if you want to call it evidence. To me this really started, and while I was listening to this clip I was looking for one of the clips of, and it happened a couple times in a row, we had usually an entertainment reporter, and then it was as if they got zapped by something and they started talking total utter nonsense. Yeah, the babbling. Yeah, do you remember what we might have called that clip? Babbling for sure. No, that's not it. I don't remember but we probably did about three maybe more of those Yeah, I'll have to see if I can find some this is years ago And we and I think we even asserted then this could be a test of some kind see if the system works This is this is definitely a sonic weapon

2:58:03 I mean, look how serious the State Department is taking it. There's no poo-pooing, we're not really going to comment on the medical condition. And you can say sonic weapon, but I would say it's a form of a directed energy weapon, it would be a sound wave energy. Well, there's two reports, one that we played about two or three weeks ago. when this first came up from a CIA guy saying, don't jump to conclusions. And then the WikiLeaks came out with a report that this is some, the CIA again is talking about it. I think it was a CIA weapon that they were testing and we don't mind testing stuff on our own people.

2:58:39 Well, this is either a test or we are under, and I think this is a very scary test, of these ships. And as it would be in our production universe, one of our producers' stepson was on the McCain. And he wrote me a note. Because I of course said, if you talk to him, he said, yes, I talked to him. Yeah, well, hey, I mean, I'm really happy he's safe, but dude, you gotta mine him for information. And so he wrote me a note. This is a producer. I'm not gonna give his last name. I don't know if he wants to stay anonymous. Producer Greg. The only thing of interest he mentioned that was that the boat suffered a power failure to critical components. Notice he didn't say power failure to everything.

2:58:03 I mean, look how serious the State Department is taking it. There's no poo-pooing, we're not really going to comment on the medical condition. And you can say sonic weapon, but I would say it's a form of a directed energy weapon, it would be a sound wave energy. Well, there's two reports, one that we played about two or three weeks ago. when this first came up from a CIA guy saying, don't jump to conclusions. And then the WikiLeaks came out with a report that this is some, the CIA again is talking about it. I think it was a CIA weapon that they were testing and we don't mind testing stuff on our own people.

2:58:39 Well, this is either a test or we are under, and I think this is a very scary test, of these ships. And as it would be in our production universe, one of our producers' stepson was on the McCain. And he wrote me a note. Because I of course said, if you talk to him, he said, yes, I talked to him. Yeah, well, hey, I mean, I'm really happy he's safe, but dude, you gotta mine him for information. And so he wrote me a note. This is a producer. I'm not gonna give his last name. I don't know if he wants to stay anonymous. Producer Greg. The only thing of interest he mentioned that was that the boat suffered a power failure to critical components. Notice he didn't say power failure to everything.

2:59:26 I'm beginning to wonder if there's some kind of weird experimental direct- directed EMP weapon being tested. This is at least the fourth collision in the last 18 months and most of the reports, if I recall correctly, started with some sort of catastrophic power failure. At any rate, I have no clue what actually happened. I'm just happy my stepson is safe, alive, and well, but ache for him as I know that he knew the 10 sailors who were missing and most likely dead. He has a tough road ahead of him. And of course we're thinking of him as well. But this is not supposed to happen. Catastrophic power failure to critical components. This is not something that's going to happen. No, no, no. The Navy spends extra money for hardened components. I mean, it's not the kind of stuff you'd even buy if you're building a machine yourself.

3:00:15 They spend extra money for components that are not susceptible to these issues. Supposedly. Mil-spec. Mil-spec, baby. This podcast is mil-spec. We're mil-spec. That's right. Well, we're also out of here. Yes, well we'll have to talk about this a little more of course we will because it's gonna continue. Yes. It's stopping anytime soon. Well, I'm gonna be on the lookout for more entertainment reporters going wacky with their speech. I think that was that was stage one. I think that's over. Oh, but maybe bring it back just to you know throw us off off guard. Possibility. Alright everybody. Thank you very much for tuning in to the No Agenda Show. It is the best podcast in the universe. Stay woke my millennials.

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