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00:00 Yes, I'm triggered now. I'm getting all weirded out! Adam Curry John C Devorah It's Thursday December 8th 2016 and this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 884 This is no agenda Standing guard at the gates of your reality and broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet here in 5th region 6 Austin Tejas. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley where Plato say woman who unfashionable and call kettle black probably have pan suits. I'm John C. Dvorak. Oh man it was...I don't know about this one It was a little too much for me

00:43 Was a little too long. Yeah, that's what it was too long. That's what it was It's okay from I still how can we complain for a guy that you know when did he do this stuff couple thousand years ago? Oh play-doh yeah Well digging the stuff up is the problem yes You got to brush the dirt off and that's just from your collection in your office well. Yes Hey, well John I have now officially appeared in a fake news report Hey, by the way. Appreciate the crank call from Max Keiser. Okay? So I was with Max and Stacy yesterday there in Austin from RT which of course is why a reference that I've been part of fake news. And after we did two things an interview in a podcast, I want to talk a little bit about what I learned

01:34 But then, because you know Max right? Didn't he used to be a guest on your show. He was a guest on my show once. Oh Silicon Spin correct? Yes! Silicon spin! Silicon spin!! So he says hey let's call Dvorak and I'm like... He said that Well actually it was because I was explaining to him and to him Stacy it's like we never talk No, we don't talk in between shows. Maybe we email back and forth rarely things you know Yeah, and it never works out Well, no. Either we prepare a bit too much and it fails or we're just yelling at each other." Yeah one of those... I've seen this clip already! And so he said well let's call Dvorak and okay. He said well i don't know man like if he answers i'd be surprised. I only have eight phone numbers for you. I don't know which one is really the number? So he calls him what did he say that this is uh

02:37 I don't remember him. He said, hey this is the who's the Bitcoin guy? Oh yeah, Takamori, Hashimori whatever his name is which I'm still not convinced he isn't that's another story Yeah and here's how the phone call went Hey! Hey how you doing and John goes hey yeah great How are ya Max Kaiser oh you recognize my voice yes I did okay that's all boom And then he hung up Yeah he just hung up something like that So, Tina the Keeper and I went to dinner with Max and Stacy Tuesday evening here in Austin downtown. And I learned a lot of interesting things. First of all regarding the fake news...I didn't know this but do you know that they don't actually produce the Max Keiser report for Russia Today? It's what it is produced for? Well same thing with Larry King. It's produced for The Associated Press who sell it to Russia Today!

03:38 Hello, that's interesting. How can we have the Associated Press participating in fake news and propaganda and state-sponsored something or other? Terrorism I thought that was news to me. So did they contract with him or what was the deal? Did the Associated Press pay him? Yes, the Associated Press pays them to do the show and then they sell it to RT. The Associated Press does. It's crazy. They know they were into that sort of syndication, it's interesting. Well but moreover you know the fact that they're sponsoring state sponsored propaganda this has to stop this cannot continue I feel bad for Max and Stacy Yeah another...another okay go on

04:29 But I think they do an actual podcast, podcast for Sputnik which is...I believe... David Morgan 3 Which is the other one. John Greenewald Yeah, which I think it's a direct sale and that's not so sure. I also learned... David Morgan Sputnik. I get lot of good news stories from Sputnik even though they're the ones if you remember the clip that we have from The Economist editor or one of the editors at The Economists who are just now there, you know, things become insufferable publication for the elites He says, you know we see someone with a resume that says Russia Today or Sputnik. They're not even considered! Right and as we were talking I learned that like myself Max Keiser is not verified on Twitter and well i found this interesting because you know but I've actually tried...I don't want it anymore but I've tried and he said oh no are you crazy? No no no

05:28 Now you have no culpability. You're not verified I don't know who tweeted that I have no idea that made that's probably some faker some fake account Yeah, yeah Well it's not like Kaiser tweets himself a lot yeah No But you know what I'm saying let me see what else did we what else did we learn? It really nice though is and yet you can tell that They're exactly like the show actually when you watch him. Except that Max is... I'm pretty convinced he's on the spectrum somewhere, he's on some autistic spectrum and Stacey pretty much talks the whole time which is great! Well she does it on the show too, she does all of her real talking then he just goes off. And thats what I saw was that he's very reserved kind of in his head, I think hes a pretty smart

06:23 a good take on the scene. Yes, yeah. So I like that. But then you would work and this is okay let's do the show and the next day we meet it to the hotel San Jose on South Congress. And here's how they do it, they have an iPhone six plus with a big adapter and then two cords coming off of it with lav mics. And Stacy walks backwards while she's recording us that's their entire production is pretty good. I think the results are pretty good

07:01 She walks backwards? Is this the podcast or the new show? No, this is RT. This is what's on RT You will be on RT? Yeah Well where does the video come from? Well she shot the video! On her iPhone 6 Wait a minute, she's shooting the video on the iPhone. Well how do they do those two shots when they're in their little studio in London or wherever it is? Oh no but okay and the facilities that they have... That's actually why they moved from Paris to London because of the great facilities that RT make available for rent I think in London. In fact Max or Stacy was telling a story about

07:38 I don't know, maybe it was an MH17. Something happened and in these studio facilities first Russia Today went in to do all their bits and right after that Voice of America went into use the same facilities to do with all their bits which is pretty much The Russia Today facilities? I think Russia Today contracts them and they're also contracted out to others. It's probably ITV or something like that, yeah. But I thought that was kind of funny that you get two propaganda outfits. One is propaganda, the same facilities. Macedonia! You're up on deck! Yeah, it was fantastic. Anyway so now it's about 12-13 minutes and one take and he just... It's interesting because I was expecting him to launch right into the fake news stuff but he's all hung up on memes and he's like oh the memes really won the election? And I didn't expect that! He really blames everything on memes in a way

08:41 And what against Trump was he a Hillary guy? Oh, no. No, no, no, no, they I don't know if they're if they're actually I don't know if they voted for Trump of this kind of irrelevant definitely don't like Hillary And when you talk to Kaiser, he'll go off on well this is what the people wanted this and we got the false prophet Obama. He's just like okay... You're talking about memes by the way! Yeah, he's a meme maestro. I think that's why he likes it so much now what was cool though You getting plugs in for the show? Of course. No, no it was all about the show All about our theory of where does this fake news lead to and I said well be our hypothesis is obviously licensing Licensing of journalists and he was like oh yeah that make total sense that's exactly what we're going

09:31 And then as we were talking more about social networks and how people are divided, I said well you know...I really follow the writings of the famous Harvard professor Theodore Kaczynski. It rolled right by him! It did? Yeah he didn't get it. Oh that's too funny. I did tell him later, I said wow can't believe you stopped me on the Unabomber thing. He says what?! What? But he obviously said, I have heard from people that this is actually a pretty interesting read. I said yeah you should give it a shot You know the guy went and killed people over it Let me see was there anything oh yeah um what else did we have we had

10:12 Well, just in general...just talking later on just in general about the situation in London. And the censorship is unbelievable particularly for them their show on RT. What? Yes! They... Okay let's start with a premise to begin with which is what about their show it so dangerous that needs anything needs to be censored I mean, he does give it to the British government and the Bank of Scotland. He ribs them a lot but I don't see that as censoring. Well here's the thing when there is a perceived violation of some law in the UK it is Ofcom who sends out a letter. Ofcom is their regulator that's their

11:03 I think it's a little broader than the FCC, but that's their version of the FCC. And what they then do is they send a letter to RT and by law... It's just like a national security letter you're not allowed to discuss the content of the letter. But they've had to do apologies on air and apparently in the beginning when they first were on RT, they were getting several Ofcom letters a month And so they're restricted. I think about it, yeah but it's mostly if anything... If he does anything that would be offensive and say he will go after somebody and insult them you know call him a fat bastard or something like that? No! I don't feel comfortable giving the exact examples because they were pretty clear about how you can't really talk about stuff right cause of this. That's fine but I'm just saying what I noticed when watching their show

11:59 And yeah, I gotta tell you really nice people super nice Don't have much more and you know it'll be a nice plug for the show Okay, so we can't care about I know. I could have just said hey We got a good plug coming up on our tea and I didn't have to say anything else But there you go, and they're also interviewing the seed man So that should be funny oh that should be that should be good too mm-hmm Mm-hmm, so be two in a row a twofer beautiful In Austin just to see the crackpots. That's kind of a... They're doing a little bit of a tour, you know they're going around the US trying to find some- Getting a barbecue while they are there I hope? I don't know if their big food.. Oh! So uh I took them to Fix. Like bye. Or your place yeah Yeah yeah they are in my town and take him out for nice dinner and say hey this is my treat

12:50 fully well knowing that Tina, the keeper and I will be going to London and we'll be expecting reciprocation. Yeah you'll never hear from him. And so I made my reservation. I called the owner Keith. I say, Hey Keith, I got guests coming in. So can we have a nice booth near the bar? A little quieter where we can talk. He said, Got ya covered! So, you know I want to be that guy like hey look at the guy you want to be. Everyone blows me here this restaurant and of course the obligatory when we're having a coffee as the owner Keith comes by says well hope he enjoyed everything. He didn't bother us during dinner and here's Max's answer Well let me tell you um...I wanted a Bloody Mary but it turns out you have no tomato juice here

13:38 Well, for some reason they don't. And he got into this big conversation with the owner about well do you have horseradish? Do you have celery sticks? Do you have ice? Uh...do you vodka? Ah...didn't you-don't have tomato juice and I was a little embarrassed. Well, get what you pay for it didn't have tomato juice It's an abomination Yeah, I have to agree Is it a full bar? Yeah Oh then they should have a portion of tomato juice for God sake That was just yeah It was it was kind of funny. It was kind you know he reminds me a bit of view actually in his direct approach to anything Well, I agree I've gotten used to it and I kind of appreciate the stance this is taking me eight or nine years I'm there well while we're on it let me see oh man There's so much to do today

14:34 Well, let's start with the weather report then because I want to make sure I'm fair and balanced on this show. And we have our... Because you know, I like to play these weather reports because just to prove that the weather guys can't figure it out, well how can global climateologists? Let's play today's weather report. All right, well we are about to get some rain. Let's check in with our chief meteorologist Bill Martin and Bill you told me during the fore that it is significant Yeah significant rain and not just one or two another one and done But some rain coming on Thursday Friday a little more on Sunday a little more next week So it's gonna be kind of on-and-off We'll get some breaks in there but rain back in the forecast starting tomorrow afternoon

15:14 You'll notice the clouds increasing and with those increasing clouds of course there comes the chance of some showers and some rain. There are the clouds right now, that's system I'm tracking it gets in here late tomorrow afternoon so what that means is by the afternoon we have late afternoon commute might be a little wet on the ground but what it does mean its Thursday morning's commute is going to be wet It's going to be kind of a little bit windy and pretty wet. So Thursday morning commute right now seems to be the weather headline here We got rain all day Thursday, and then again in a little bit into Friday morning in the mountains we'll see it All right, we go live now to our correspondent John C. Dvorak who is at the mudflats in northern Silicon Valley. John what are you learning?

15:52 Well, I'm learning there's mudflats are still there. There's no wind so we can just write that off. Scratch off wind! Now it did rain...I have to agree it did rain a little bit but its not lots of rain by any means It kind of like missed rain. It rained a little last night but as this broadcast is going on which is at 929 in the morning where should be pouring rain and its not raining. Wrong again Well, they were closer than last time. But it's a good lead into nice little climate change clip I have here with the one and only Bill Nye the science guy He's at a conference for... The conference is anti man-made global warming Andrew Agw And he's talking to..I think it's a religious guy

16:48 But he has a number of graphs and charts, and he's showing that climate change has always been here with us. It doesn't seem like if you look at the numbers it's really man-made but it's always been there... And he gets into this short tatatat with Bill Nye! Climate change is the most serious problem facing humankind. Really? So by trying to convince young people that climate change is not real, it's very serious because they're going to have to grow up and deal with it. Actually we're saying climate change is real. The Little Ice Age was a local phenomenon Bill, we are saying climate change is real So is it serious? Climate Change?

17:27 What you have to do then is say, why has climate... Why have they changed? Climates change all the time. Let me rephrase it for you. Human-caused climate change is very serious. Well there's a lot of debate about that. There are a lot of scientists who would disagree with that. In fact we have PhD scientists on our staff who would disagree with that. We have other PhD scientists. No! Your scientist and your staff as respectful as I can be are incompetent You mean Dr. Nathaniel Jensen who has a PhD from Harvard University? He's incompetent? From what I've seen on television, yes Tell me, Dr. George Uppertum who has a PhD in molecular genetics from Ohio State She is incompetent? Certainly seems to be Ha! He never gives up Science is in

18:17 I love it. What a douchebag! Yeah, he should probably give him a little douche at the same time. Nah, I like that. Well then maybe... let me see... Doesn't agree with me must be incompetent That's right from what i've seen on TV. I wonder what he said about the 30 000 scientists who signed off on their documents saying this is bullcrap? I wonder what he said about that one that cropped up yeah well not in this particular piece it didn't crop Actually, I had a...I had something that fit into that as one of Donald Trump's was his EPA guy. Let me just see here. Oh! I love the irony of this EPA guy. Yeah. Hold on a second let me just see here. Everybody is bent out of shape about him. Yeah and it's actually cropped up in okay now where is here?

19:12 It was a conversation between... what's his name? He's actually not bad these days. What is his name, Tucker? Tucker Carlson He has a show on CNN. Yeah, I've noticed this too, Nacho Man. Once you got rid of the bow tie he seemed to have improved And this was in relation to...I thought this was very funny and no agenda producers were probably chuckling themselves Donald Trump is named person of the year by Time Magazine and the first thing that everyone comes out and says is well yeah that makes sense because so it Hitler! Like, wow. Wow! We've been using this exact same thing for years in reverse by saying hey how great is it? You know we got Obama on the cover of Time magazine and Hitler was on it too but never like this and so now well Time Magazine is right he's Hitler So what kind of conversation I mean describe the discussion that you were trying to invoke by comparing Trump to Hitler

20:05 I think that it's very important that we are critical, that we do not normalize or sanitize the rhetoric or actions... Now by the way this is fake news. Just wait! ...of Donald Trump or the ghastly appointees to his new administration. Ghastly? Ghastly appointees?! It gets better every day ghastly I tell you. The ghastly appointees to his new administration and i want people to remain vigilant, I want people to realize that none of this is normal none of the hate speech the hate crimes that are spiking in the United States and we as the American People have to hold our President-elect accountable And I would like to point out that the Southern Poverty Law Center came out with a report which part of this is based on uh... they talked about

20:53 hate crimes that have occurred against LGBT community. That's never happened before... Against African-Americans, yeah the problem with the report because they actually asked the way they did the survey is they asked educators you know teachers and professors are you seeing this at your educational facility? And I believe there was about 40% said yeah we got this going on unfortunately A Southern Poverty Law Center, although asked several times finally had to come out and say well yeah no we didn't put the 20% increased hate crime against white kids in the report. Oops! Just shows you how biased they are they just hid that they just didn't put it in the report until pressured

21:45 They hate the white man. They do, okay here we go back to the clip Okay so you've made a lot of pretty general statements and by the way I don't think there's any danger of Trump going uncriticized during his term as president No i think it's something like hearing the way that the media is Oh please you just compared him to Hitler now So clearly there's a vigorous conversation about Trump underway and your part of it But you said he has ghastly appointees give me example Today, you're talking about appointing a head of the EPA. Someone who has sued the EPA on behalf of the coal industry and the coal lobby. Now he's going to walk her right into the trap. You're talking about putting a known anti-Semite... Who is that? The Attorney General Pruitt

22:28 And what was it sued about, do you know? Trap. Yeah he was suing on behalf of a part of what the New York Times actually... You can just see him la dee da dee dah dee dah He's asking me questions Called a secretive alliance between energy firms between state prosecutors where he is attorney general and between oil and gas companies And they... Let me just say this, I mean it doesn't sound like you know a ton about this but he was one of 28 attorneys general so the majority of states sued the Obama administration over its environmental regulations. So you can't just say that he was acting on behalf of oil and gas companies The majority of states were involved in that suit He actually appropriated text out of a letter written by the oil and gas companies as his own

23:15 Right, so okay right what about that did you disagree in other words? So what you're doing here is your quoting out of context from New York Times piece It says because he has the same views as an oil and gas company That they're illegitimate but she's not actually making the case against him Fake news there. You go fake news She just filled with fake news fake news fake news yeah Pretty interesting this transition well while you were on the topic of mentioning these the The kids, the fake news. There's a very interesting clip I picked up since yesterday was Pearl Harbor Day. Yes it is. No that was the day before December 6th. By the way today they'll live in infamy. They probably live in infamy but won't live any in history books because apparently none of the kids know much about it. Oh! I think they know very little about it. What they know is that George Takei was thrown into prison

24:18 So, we have a clip of...this is somebody was on one of the talk shows and they were just talking about visiting making it big point to visit the memorial in Arizona an anniversary of some sort. And he wanted to bring the whole family do some stuff. And this is kind of the end of his little discussion I think this may have been also on Tucker Carlson but play the pearl harbor anecdotes see some veterans were signing books to see the big tribute it's a it's a thriving military port i get it and base but also is a tribute to uh... those who gave their lives that day so we got on are the boat we go out there with the by after seeing the movie the competency will be the let everybody know what you're back to see we go to see us as arizona and after i saw the great job the tour guide didn't have fundamental in rudimentary the movie was they said listen when people come americans come to see this

25:12 Do they usually ask questions as if they know what's going on or don't? And they said, most of the young people have no idea what happened and who won the war and who was on what side. These are the state troopers that do this on a regular basis. They give the tours. I was just struck by that. That is unbelievable! What did they teach these kids in school? Well, I think they teach them gender politics or I have no idea. Well, you know what? I mean, I remember when my kids were going to a local school here and it was in the, you know we're in the Bay Area where it's very liberal effect. My town is very Democrat and he came back talking about... You don't say! He came back of one day, this was in third grade or something that he's talking about how one kid was talking

26:08 Columbus was a slaver. He was... Yes, of course. Yeah. And they had the impression that he was like one of the guys that were driving slave trade. We can't celebrate Columbus Day anymore because he was a big... Well not on the West Coast you can't. The xenophobe. This is xenophobe slaver and with the other kid had some other crazy notion Some about Martin Luther King freeing the slaves or something like that. Oh great seriously, and then the other one I remember seeing it local some local Event and there was somebody claiming that Harriet Tubman freed race. Oh yeah That's very common by the way that that belief well II have to Two clips for Millennials one both kind of short And I have a question about this first one

26:57 This is BBC World News and this is a protester. You know, these protests are worldwide now we've got it happening. Black Lives Matter is also in Canada. We've got the you know what they call the precious snowflakes the millennials the butthurt there everywhere so too in the UK I think this might be an American interview? this particular young woman was in the UK or not, but she explains and I've heard this a lot particularly from young LGBT youth in America how afraid they are. I mean like really afraid of the new administration? I'm very scared um...I'm very scared as an LGBT person I am very scared of a Trump-Pence administration.

27:46 the rights that we've worked so hard for to be taken away, and I'm worried that my safety will be threatened. That I won't be able to go across the country like I want to do." What makes me very afraid, honestly more so than Donald Trump is Pence his vice president. He has been staunchly anti-LGBT from day one like he they don't care They don't care they're not a president for all people they do not care about LGBT people I can't accept a bigot like up I can't accept to be it I can't but that's why I protest Now, I have a question for you because i've heard this several times and it kind of glosses over you kinda like one of those terms such as comprehensive immigration reform. I ask you John what exactly are these LGBT rights that she fought so hard for? What rights are specific to LGBT?

28:43 Well, before you go on there I'm gonna attempt to not answer that question. But first I want to mention something Is she a lesbian? Yes Why doesn't she say that? She's not LGBTQ Well, quite honestly I don't know if she's a lesbian. I don't know how she identifies but just looking at the video... But she could be bi or she could be Q? That's that that's the B you know it's the B. Why would you say i'm LGBT? It's like I'm a man woman girl boy for you know it's like you can't be all these things! You're one of in the group right just like comprehensive immigration reform also means nothing

29:20 So, she's not LGBTQ. She is whatever she is. Well I think she... LGBTQ is the entire world of people Let me just listen how she identifies herself again. I'm very scared. As a LGBT person There you go! LGBT person. Shut up! You can't question that? Don't question it So I've looked into this, what... you know like hey are there any special rights that i could get if I said yes I'm B or L or G or T? Q then here are here they are it's really only two things. Okay decriminalization

30:11 and this is from... They're not going to recriminalize, so what are they worried about? Well I'll read the little blurb here. And this is from actually got this from Amnesty International but ACLU pretty much has the same list people detained or imprisoned solely because of their homosexuality now I have a hard time believing Mike Pence is going to bring that in Are you gay? Lock him up. I don't think so. Including those in the... What? I think they're almost being promoted that concept. Clearly! I think this community is being, is being promoted that concept. Yes

30:48 Okay, so including those individuals prosecuted for having sex in circumstances which would not be criminal for heterosexuals. Okay fair point although let me say that there are laws in states and the United States that forbid all kinds of heterosexual acts. Yes this is true or for their leave buggery is still illegal in Georgia I could be wrong yeah Amnesty International calls for the decriminalization of homosexuality where such legislation remains. Okay, so you have a little bit of a point but it's kind of for everybody has the same issues and then the second these only two is marriage equality that's that's that's the big LGBT rights that they fought so hard for in The marriage thing is like I don't think that should be a law at all That shouldn't be the government's business at all But okay

31:40 And then they just give a couple of examples of human rights abuses based on sexual orientation. Execution by the state, well if Pence did that I think I would take issue with it Denial of employment housing or health services That's pretty much not happening in United States Loss of custody of children? I don't know what child protective services are doing Denial of asylum, rape and otherwise torture threats for campaigning for LGBT human rights and regular subjection to verbal abuse. Well, I want that right too! I get abused verbally all the time. Yeah So you know... So what's she afraid of? Whoever did the interview should ask specifically Although then you'd say well You're just being a dick if you do that But yeah Oh yeah oh yeah What you don't know

32:33 Yeah, I did find something and this is this is clippable for everybody who has Millennials in their life. This is a positive note rabbi dr. Abraham Tversky explaining In a in a reverse way what's wrong with our Millennials today? Why the children are in trouble and I think this is a very good message to them There's something I want to tell you about the stress and how we have to look at stress. He's talking about stress, okay? And I think it is an important thing because many people told me from my lectures that this is one thing they remember. Okay? Now I was sitting in a dentist office and looked at an article that said How do lobsters grow? Well, I don't care how lobsters grow but I was interested in it and then points out that our lobster are soft

33:31 mushy animal that lives inside of a rigid shell. That rigid shell does not expand. How can the lobster grow? Well, as the lobster grows, that shell becomes very confining and the lobster feels itself under pressure and uncomfortable. It goes under rock formation to protect itself from predatory fish, casts off the shell and produces another one. Eventually, that shell becomes very uncomfortable as it grows there. back under the rocks. And the lobster repeats this numerous times. The stimulus for the lobster to be able to grow is that it feels uncomfortable

34:09 Now, if lobsters had doctors they would never grow because as soon as the lobster feels uncomfortable it goes to the doctor gets a Valium and gets a Percocet. It feels fine! Never can go off its head So I think that we have to realize is that times of stress are also times that are signals for growth And if you use adversity properly We can grow through adversity Well, that's a good message. A little bit of uplifting news for everybody. Little corny. I do want to stay with fake news if you don't mind? I love it! Yes, Brian Williams said one of the best things I've ever heard him say the other day. Oops sorry well might as well play the jingle while we're at it sorry. We have a million of them... I'm sorry

34:57 We have a million of them. A million of them as we talked about here last night fake news played a role in this election and continues to find a wide audience I don't know it just struck me is really funny yeah it continues to get a wide audience fake news is good or should we say you know, I thought about this people don't read we can agree on this people don't read what did people read headlines Headlines. I assert that headlines written by mainstream publications meant for clickbait, always headlines are meant for you to buy the paper and click the link they are just as fake often as the actual stories that are fake. Oh the new headlines can be very misleading

35:45 And very common in fact it's such so common that is a brought up in J school quite a bit about and you're not supposed to do It well the only reason you bring something like that. That was because people were doing it all the time right, but Headlines are always done by separate department right though the author of not always generally works. It depends hmm Generally speaking, the editors write the headlines. And there's usually one or two good headline writers and they do most of them. But you always write a headline generally speaking for your article and if you have any skills at all, you should be able to get your headline in a certain percentage of the time not always and probably not most of the time but sometimes you can. Let me ask you... The false promises of the internet is that your headline?

36:32 false promises of the internet you wrote it i think it might have been i think it might have been me i think it might have been my head okay all right just asking uh on the morning joes um you know they came up with a topic about fake news and how we should handle that because of course even though we like them, we think they're very anti-MSNBC while being on it. They still...they're all in on this. It's time for these isolated know-it-alls from the Silicon Valley at Google and Facebook to get this stuff together I like this by the way! I like the war between mainstream media mainly television news and Silicon Valley. I like this is happening Good luck with that one.

37:32 Has to be looked at. Are you mumbling? I'm sorry, I'll stop mumbling. Sounds like the guy in there trying to make it sound like I'm on. Who the hell is mumbling in the background? Mika! Stop mumbling! It's gone on cycles this misinformation that used to be telephone calls The night before I remember Jeb Bush lost a lot in childs because Lotten Childs called hundreds of thousands of people Yeah this is rarely discussed. I found this to be quite interesting And that used to be the news. That used to be the way that elections were, you know, people worked on elections is making hundreds or thousands of calls telephone calls, of course stuff in the mail and then as Joe will say here I think email. I think Jeb Bush was going to take away their social security. Of course he can't do that as governor. He just made it up and then it was emails people would send around the most horrific emails. Uh, and now we're at this stage and you're right

38:27 It's hard to stop these phone calls the night before an election. It's hard to stop the emails, it's not hard to stop this fake news if you're Google or if your Facebook. Yeah yeah I know. Now these guys are all in John! Wait wait wait what they're saying is that there's a fake news thing? Is it... it's hard to stop the fake news and the emails and it's hard to stop the fake news here and the fake news there what makes any fake news more or less hard to stop. Here's what I'm thinking as i hear this, they're bitching about the olden days when people would make a phone call and say hey did you know that guy was up he was a piece of pedophile? You know he's a horrible person don't vote for him vote for where's this other guy uh and that is hard to stop

39:18 but it's an element of the system. But this other one, this fake news which comes from Sputnik or whatever is easy to stop? Is that what they're trying to say when it's not easy to stop either and when most of the fake news is coming from the mainstream? Well, I think what they're saying is well, it's not hard to stop fake news in a closed off environment these so-called walled garden of Facebook And I believe they're just automatically implying that the fake news is tagged by someone. And, I'm telling you Max Keiser's right! Not being verified is going to be very interesting. I believe that anything I post in the near future on Twitter or Facebook where I am also not verified will be censored or shadow banned or something That's how they are going to do it

40:13 I mean that's the only mechanism they have. Verified journalists, they're journalists with 500 followers on Twitter and they're verified! I know i've seen that every once in a while I go look at some who's this idiot? And then it's like somebody working for one of the big papers and it's like their you know big blowhearts and they got 443 followers oh you know what they're verified. I guarantee you go on twitter right now and look up the Twitter handle of your weather guy who just gave you a false report. Which I would say is fake news! I betcha he's verified. That's how this goes. Okay, so that's what I think they are...that's how I believe they are thinking. ...the night before an election it's hard to stop the emails It's not hard to stop this fake news if you're Google or if you're Facebook Hard if your Twitter

41:08 Yeah. So this pizzeria story, I won't dignify it by explaining what the case is. Now be quiet for a second and listen because this is... I'm not saying anything! It's just them. You're not? Okay so the link that is about to be made and this is exactly what was supposed to happen and I do want to get into this a little today they are going to say oh well that's just like Pizzagate This fake news pizzagate which is now being used to show the danger of fake news And because of all the great sleuthing and investigative work, you will see we've now... Actually I'm kind of happy because we are now accelerating the licensing or whatever measures will come in place. Yeah well like so this pizzeria story i won't dignify it by explaining what the conspiracy is but people saw in these leaked Podesta emails they hallucinated words meaning something other than what they appeared to mean about some very nefarious things In other words

42:12 A pretty innocuous email and thought the words inside that email are code for what's actually happening inside this area. And I grew up in a conspiracy theory, and it has real-world implications again when a guy walks in because he thinks he's saving children in a pizzeria with an AR 15 and fires off around where families are eating That's real world stuff That's not just stuff floating around one of the most shocking things to me is you actually have people with college degrees who read these fake news stories and these conspiracy theories and then call all of us up. Is this true? Young people don't differentiate. You know, after about the 20th I'm like no! Stop! Wait wait stop. Stop the tape. After the 20th

43:01 So in other words, he takes the calls and says yeah I guess. Yeah I guess and then after 20th he says no stop! Does it take twenty calls before they get a clue that maybe there's a story they should do? Yeah, I'm just asking. No they will not well... Or it's just gonna be three people sounds like three sitting around a table gassing yeah oh they hallucinated this what did who loose day they're taking drugs? I mean it sounds like this is worse than never mind Is that true? You know after about the 20th I'm like no stop! Do you think the Flinns are doing it knowingly

43:38 I think either way is really disturbing. Alright, now a couple things to say about Pizzagate First of all this is now spreading and I thought long and hard about this It was the keeper who sent me this link yesterday like holy shit so some youtuber in Austin But was tipped off through, I guess it's votes now VOAT that have taken over the closed down Reddit on Pizzagate. And that's where you know the investigation continues and and i have to say back when i was a kid oh man i'm getting to the days where i'm gonna say

44:18 But, you know kids... young people but kids have investigative spirits. And I recall after reading the Hardy Boys probably list... maybe... I think I read a lot of the Nancy Drew stories too because my sister had Nancy Drew and so you go out with a pad and paper and you walk around the neighborhood and you write down license plates. Okay that car's there. I never did this. Well, I did. I think lots of kids have done this So, one of these YouTubers here in Austin decides that... Oh my gosh! I see all the horrible symbolism at East Seed Pies. East Side Pies here in Austin which is a pizzeria. East Side Pies oh my goodness ESP. Oh this is weird this is kooky

45:06 I gotta play a little bit of his investigative report, John. They're pedophiles. I went in there per-I didn't expect to have a weird experience folks, but i'm telling you the music the stuff on the wall Oh, oh and then just creepy the absolute coup de gras the coup de gras Coup de gras? I'm kidding you not for I'm kidding You not what kind of English is that

45:47 I'm surprised he didn't say the old Jack Parr phrase, I kid you not. That's probably what he meant to say but i'm kidding you not is bad. Absolute coup de gras! I'm kidding you not folks, there were kids playing dominoes at the pizza place. Nah they must be sex slaves! Right here in the back...I was sitting right here at the edge of this like table and then right here- Stop. STOP! Uh, this guy... I'm gonna throw this out there you can say i'm full of crap This is a satire No it's not a satire It's absolutely not a satire It sounds every bit- It's not! Come on. No, it's not John, it's not. Dominoes Dominos It's a helluva lot less satire than that stupid video with those two morons with the fake baby you sent me

46:39 So no, it's not satire. It's like table and then right here And it's all like one big table It's a weird thing to begin with weird and then right here there was a woman and two rapists first She was reading a story kind of staring at me weird I'm not gonna lie it did where is their mom either? Oh, oh this probably the handler and then She finishes reading the story and both of the kids talk about how they want to play dominoes. And they start playing dominoes, and she's like yeah we'll play dominos Code! And they started playing dominoes That's code As if it wasn't weird enough that I saw satanic symbols all over the wall Illuminati symbols all over the wall Some weird clock next to some weird heart Creepy And then a paddy-locked iron steel curtain door

47:27 and then a sex artwork show as well on the wall. I'm telling you, American pizza is just pedophilia. The whole- The whole pizza industry! I'm surprised that round table hasn't...the stock hasn't dropped. Now uh.. The last honest pizza by the way. Now i want to say something because it suddenly hit me last night. I'm like ah now I know now I know having investigated for over a decade With great vigor John back me up in fact when it comes to the Catholic Church at a certain point on this show or outside of these said man Back off a little back. Oh Remember, I kill ah you said back off a little because it was every show and and it was a huge Scandal which of course we don't talk about anymore Now so he had that we had do true in Belgium. We had the boys

48:24 Orphanage. Is it aisle of...is it Jersey or white? I think it's Jersey, one of those aisles. It's not white, it's Jersey. We had...and in Dutroux and Belgium you know, it was horrible! We had the Rolodex files we have Joost Demink in the Netherlands which I got fired and radio station burned down. I have investigated these things with great vigor here is what is missing from Pizzagate is one thing Any evidence victims no victims Every every single killing him at them heavy unless they're killing every single one of them Every single one and putting them in the holes in the ground that we've seen in the Instagram feed

49:08 I mean, Jimmy Savile. There were victims... Now we have the football players in the UK. Victims coming forward. The do True Trace in Belgium They had kids in cages! They released children from cages So there are really true evil things happening but this has no victims not yet Not even a suggested victim This is problematic believe me Now, ummm..I DO want to say I don't see, i have three clips here. You're missing the code Adam! Yeah, I'm missing the dominoes code. Dominoes! Yeah, I missed the code sure I got it. By the way that's a great game. Dominoes? So all these abused kids have been killed now

49:53 I'm absolutely convinced that this is going on in government. You only have to look at Boys Town, actually the name of the documentary is Conspiracy of Silence and i put the link to the YouTube video for it in the show notes again conspiracy of silence you need to see this this is about George HW Bush and the type of crap that was going on during his administration. But again, with victims some of these are written books I mean there's tons and tons and tons of people have come forward about this The one thing i will say about specifically Bill Clinton is... And if you want do some investigative work I would suggest looking into Jeffrey Epstein who was a convicted child molester

50:40 a 15 year old, so you know under statutory age. I'm just saying he is convicted of that crime and he has what is called the Lolita Express his airplane which there's all kinds of...and you look into the design of that airplane and yes there are some documentation that there are lots of bedrooms on the plane and then he has his island, and the flight manifest shows that Bill Clinton has accompanied him to a house in Ireland on the so-called Lolita Express multiple times sometimes without his secret security detail. So if you want to go investigate something do that! Go to Jeffrey Epstein's house and look. That is where you are going to find something Talk to victims of that crime Now...that is something very real but the way it came up

51:30 was, let me see where this... Oh! It came up in a discussion on CNN about Mike Pence's son and Mike Pence. So, um, Pence Jr., who has now been removed from the campaign was pretty much saying, look at Pete Segate, you know? You know it was like he was on Reddit half the time and then tweeting And so he's been removed, uh, not Pence, Flynn. Flynn. Flynn I'm sorry. a national security advisor to be. And Flynn also tweeted something out in regard to Epstein and Lolita Island, and there is something here! There is a possible story here but man when you get... So it's Kayleigh McEnany the blonde Republican who was always on CNN who I think has really earned her keep. Erin Burnett this is the show that it's on by the way

52:27 Is it just me or is Aaron Burnett starting to look a lot like Boy George? I haven't noticed this. You should take a look. I watched you the other day, and didn't notice this. Take a look! You should take a look. The Boy George has a very feminine face yeah that's possible Let's have a listen here. Once the fake news stories out, sorry this one but with the National Security Advisor actually tweeting these types of conspiracy theories it leads to questioning his judgment and whether or not it was a joke it should be made clear if he thought it was a joke but people take this in when people who are in power say things on Twitter accounts it gets taken very seriously so we just played this in a different order I'm going to play this let me see this is a new

53:06 Fake news. Okay, this is the back of it I'm sorry should have done this first. I have a backgrounder on the fake news according to CNN which i think Is kind of important to listen to This is that Brian uh Schmelter guy, what's his name? Who does the media show on CNN. Yeah whatever his name is okay listen to this backgrounder first fake news real gunfire a North Carolina man arrested in a DC pizza shop after brandishing a gun telling police he was there to investigate a conspiracy theory called Pizza Gate One of the hosts runs up and is like, did you see that guy? He had a big gun. We actually thought initially that he was a staff member because he was walking straight for that back room. Staff member kind of looked at me and indicated this was a gunman Edgar Welch appearing in court this afternoon According to police, Welch said that he had read online That The Comet Ping Pong Restaurant Was harboring child sex slaves And that he wanted to see for himself if they were there

54:05 The suspect said he was armed to help rescue them. The accusation came from this unhinged story that originated online days before the election, saying that Hillary Clinton and her campaign chairman John Podesta were operating a child sex ring. The lie took root in the digital swamps of Twitter and far right-wing websites. We're not covering Pizzagate enough even though we covered it every day... ...to expose the Satanism and the occult and the code words for pedophilia October 30th, a Clinton-hating Trump loving Twitterer claimed a police source said Clinton was at the center of a pedophilia ring. Others latched onto this seemingly hoping it was true... Which by the way is not at all what was said but that's just you know the fake news take on it Scouring dark corners of the web for possible clues This is how conspiracy theories are threaded together lie by lie

54:59 Eventually a name stuck, Pizzagate. And the believers started harassing the owner of the pizza place We've received many many calls but really they're from around the world so we didn't expect anyone to come On Sunday the suspect fired his weapon and no one was hurt With detectives still on the scene in DC, Pizzagate believers were already claiming that this real development was just part of a cover-up The media is claiming that this is because of Pizzagate This is very dangerous fake news. Anybody claiming that the gunman today at Common Pizza had anything to do with Pizzagate? Okay

55:37 So, the whole idea as I said earlier is to take Pizzagate and show how dangerous fake news can be. Now the conversation with Kayleigh McEnany and the Brian guy and then some Democratic woman and Burnett. But with the National Security Advisor actually tweeting these types of conspiracy theories it leads to questioning his judgment uh... and whether or not it was a joke it should be made clear if he thought it was a joke but people take this in when people who are in power say things on twitter accounts against taken very seriously so we certainly to be holding our leaders accountable and i do think it's important that mike flint senior was actually treating about something entirely different wasn't able to get the better one another and it was another it was other child sex ring scandal conspiracy

56:25 but it was not. But hold on, Naira let me point out though what he was suggesting actually had some basis in proof there's a mandate against it. Are you done? Yeah. You don't want to listen? No I'm listening. Oh because you kind of killed the whole audio when you do that Oh, sorry.

57:01 We're really going to do this. I'm gonna talk about this." Well, this is actually something you should be talking about yeah. As to why these flights were not on the books what happened on these flights? Are we really going to do this? Yeah. Are we really go down these fake news rabbit holes? They are two separate things Again, I'm trying to parse all of this information about this connection with that connection. This is exactly how conspiracies start and this is exactly the type of logic and reasoning that we need to all be working against and start working with facts. I mean, this is a post-fact universe that we're working in. Post fact universe! Yeah well... And now we continue? Which actually gets into, listen to this woman. What she's saying again which is according to mainstream media true but we know is false and therefore can be classified as fake news. Kayleigh could Trump bear some responsibility himself to say enough enough I don't believe even in private to tell these people stop

57:55 with this. I don't want to see a tweet like this, I don't want to see these things they're lies and they're hateful doesn't he bear some of that responsibility when some of this is coming from people who are in his inner circle? Does President Obama have the responsibility to say I disavowed the 9-11 truthers no because he doesn't have to go around disavowing every single conspiracy theory because they're fringe left wing people and Nyeira your party has gone around with false, false, false narratives of Trump is a racist. Trump is a xenophobe with no basis in truth so we want to talk about conspiracy theories and out there at Landis Gossett and these sort of stories. Let's talk about- Your party's responsible for it Sure let's talk about what happened actually just in my neighborhood So Comet Pizza is only a couple blocks away from me Uh huh she's eyewitness This was very personal But actually if you block some the other direction You had what two weeks ago A bunch of white supremacists who held an event And said heil trump Now that's false Hold on a second

58:41 It was not a bunch of white supremacists who said, Heil Trump. It was the NPI and a couple people said hail Trump not heil hail fact check false white supremacist who held an event and said heil trump now this is actually in trump's new backyard Not something he's disavowed that's even happened in his own neighborhood usually when there are gun shootings uh in where a president or president-elect is, there is some sort of statement or some kind of denouncement of that or any kind of horrific attack. So we haven't seen that. We haven't seen — anytime the KKK endorsed him or David Duke or any of these white supremacists were advocating on his behalf, he never said, I disassociate myself from these people. Oh no? Fact check false?

59:25 There's hardly a disconnect to say that by — when he has people who are supporting him actively and campaigning for him, if he doesn't disavow them it seems like they are part of the critique. Let me just give the final word here to Brian. So again, he hasn't disavowed! He hasn't disavowed! He hasn't disavowed! He hasn't disavowed! OK. That clip is too long. Yeah. Two more clips. I think you'll find this interesting. So, I do want to say that this guy who went in and discharged around the reporting on it... Just gotta be loud! Which some people said they never even heard it because he had a suppressor. Mm-hmm sure but the way it went down and you know this guy is an actor has an IMDB page The way it went down is not at all the way any type of gun

1:00:14 a gun brandishing event happens in Washington, D.C.? No way! The fact the guy's alive is already telling us this is fishy. This now...that when you walk into any place in Washington DC with an AR-15? Yeah no. So you're finally getting to the point which is this bull crap staged. Well it has now been...no first of all Pizzagate is bullcrap because it's the wrong investigation. There are no victims, every other case had victims including Saville and everybody. You made the point. Okay thank you This yes I feel that this was bull crap and it's being used to bring in the idea that fake news is dangerous in multiple ways Now here are the next clips from NPR And get ready for this

59:25 There's hardly a disconnect to say that by — when he has people who are supporting him actively and campaigning for him, if he doesn't disavow them it seems like they are part of the critique. Let me just give the final word here to Brian. So again, he hasn't disavowed! He hasn't disavowed! He hasn't disavowed! He hasn't disavowed! OK. That clip is too long. Yeah. Two more clips. I think you'll find this interesting. So, I do want to say that this guy who went in and discharged around the reporting on it... Just gotta be loud! Which some people said they never even heard it because he had a suppressor. Mm-hmm sure but the way it went down and you know this guy is an actor has an IMDB page The way it went down is not at all the way any type of gun

1:00:14 a gun brandishing event happens in Washington, D.C.? No way! The fact the guy's alive is already telling us this is fishy. This now...that when you walk into any place in Washington DC with an AR-15? Yeah no. So you're finally getting to the point which is this bull crap staged. Well it has now been...no first of all Pizzagate is bullcrap because it's the wrong investigation. There are no victims, every other case had victims including Saville and everybody. You made the point. Okay thank you This yes I feel that this was bull crap and it's being used to bring in the idea that fake news is dangerous in multiple ways Now here are the next clips from NPR And get ready for this

1:01:05 Legal recourse against fake news. This is coming once a fake news story is out there and the harm has been done What can a person do about it? Well to help us answer that question, by the way You should have a little faith in me after nine years I'll get around to appoint no banging the thunder telling me the clips No, I'm just saying you're did you usually better your stuff is better when the point is made and then you pound on it You made me listen to that very long clip, which didn't really make the point. I think the clips coming up probably do." Once a fake news story is out there and the harm has been done what can a person do about it? Well, to help us answer that question is Derrigan Silver he teaches media first amendment and internet law at the University of Denver welcome to the program. I love internet law! I could get a degree in internet law couldn't I?"

1:01:53 No. So to begin, what legal action can someone take if they've been harmed professionally or economically by being the subject of a fake news story? Where can they start? In most situations the person who's been harmed is going to bring a lawsuit that we call it tort. Now a tort is a non-contractual harm between two private individuals It's a civil lawsuit where you're alleging that one person harmed another The most famous tort that most people know about is McDonald's hot coffee tort Now, this is the famous lawsuit where the woman got a lot of hot coffee from McDonald's and got horribly burned by it and then sued the fast food chain for damages caused by the hot coffee. So anytime one private individual harms another private individual you can bring a lawsuit for a tort so that one those torts that people can have advantage of is called defamation. Defamation is a tort that alleges that a communication damaged your reputation.

1:02:47 And so when somebody decides I have been harmed, right? By being the subject of such a story. Who do they try to hold accountable? Well they can hold accountable anybody who is communicated the defamatory statement to anybody else that includes the person who originated the defamatory statement but under something called the republication rule it also includes anybody who repeated the defamatory statement and Now, simply retweeting a defamatory statement is probably not going to be enough to qualify for republication. But passing on information that you heard from somebody else certainly is republication. So you have some cases coming out of Texas for example where hundreds and hundreds of people were adding to a posting that had more and more and more defamatory contents. And if you can track those people down, if you can find out those identities then yes, you can sue every single person who sort of adds to that defamatory statement or repeats that defamatory statement.

1:03:38 That sounds like an expensive proposition though, right? For the average person. Absolutely and that's one of the problems with defamation law is once the information is out there you know Is monetary damage really what they want to recover And should they have to be able to pay lawyers for $500 dollars an hour in order to recover their good name from a story that is clearly made up and clearly fictitious and clearly has no basis in reality at all Now what I found interesting you know, wind up kicker to this. We've talked about tort laws on the show many times in the past in particular as regards to...is it medical profession? Well that's where most of this takes place. That's what they keep talking about, tort reform. Now there are couple things here before we go into last clip. One is the use of the word tort as such in this context

1:04:30 This, if you try to remember a few years ago nobody did that. In fact, this is a good example of something I did want to bring up before because i've run into this over the last probably only the last month or two where the word tort is used as such. In other words torte-torte-torte they keep talking about it This when I'm telling you a year ago You would never hear this but now for some reason tort itself has become a meme I don't know why but I've been noticing it and I noticed The literal translation or definition of tort is a wrongful act or an infringement of a right other than under contract, leading to a civil legal liability." Pretty broad. Generally speaking the words that were used to describe this are always a civil suit, a civil suit, a defamation suit, libel lawsuit... but then the word tort itself was never brought into it. Tort is defined as what you just said? What I just said yeah

1:05:28 But I've never heard it until, again like within the last month or two. It used commonly in this way this guy did he just brings it up and starts talking about tort tort tort torte. And is that incorrect because of the actual definition? Is that incorrect? I don't think its incorrect in the least but I don't know why now being used when has never been used like this before. Its always been undercurrent you hear you hear about tort reform yes you've heard that and thats never gone anywhere But there's something going on with this word, not sure what it is. When some crops up like this out of the blue and just keeps being hounded... And this guy is the best example of it! I get very suspicious. I am as well and the kicker clip here to me was kind of mind-blowing. I couldn't find any followup or anything that

1:06:18 that went into the fact that this is what Donald Trump was talking about when everyone was yelling, he wants to get rid of free speech. Wants to get rid of the first amendment. That's exactly what he was talking about these types of laws of defamation and that for celebrities people who are in the public eye you have very little recourse when this takes place against your public persona And so I found it rather interesting that they actually talk about this without mentioning the fact that this is exactly what Trump was talking about when he said we need to look at the First Amendment, which was his code for dominoes and for hey we need to change the way civil suits are brought or can or cannot be brought against people in the public eye. Is there any movement afoot to review these laws or statutes? Or among your community right of academics how are people talking about this

1:07:14 You know, I think that fake news really has kind of all set us back a little bit. One of the ideas behind the First Amendment is that we believe in something called The Marketplace Of Ideas – that if you let truthhood and falsity battle in The Marketplace Of Ideas, then truth will eventually win…that we have an assumption that people are rational and they can determine truth from falsity And that's kind of making us rethink these sort of basic premises behind freedom expression is are we in a situation now where truth no longer matters and people are not able to Sort these things out other people say, you know the idea that truth is always going to win is idle sentimentality. I

1:07:52 The reason we have freedom of expression is not because truth will always win, but because without freedom of expression truth has no chance of winning whatsoever. And so this has been a really challenging election for a lot of people who believe in free speech and media law's actually come up a lot in this election and it's something that a lot of us are thinking deeply about. I like falsity good term falsity. I like post-truth. Post well it is the word of the year after all Well at least with one dictionary. So I think that's where we're going to be headed, we're not going to be beheaded but we are headed down the path of... I think you're still cutting this Pizzagate thing a little short. I was thinking about this during this segment, and I was thinking of the naming conventions for pizza places. Little Caesars has kind of a pedophile sound to it if you ask me. Pizza Pizza, that little buzz phrase? That's kinda sketchy. Pizza Hut, hut, huh?

1:08:47 Huh? Hut. Straw hat, yeah kids wear straw hats and straw has got guys from the twenties. Shakeys huh? Shaky shaky bakey. Lane splitter is a big one around here lane splitter get it? Split the lane mmmmmmmm code dominoes pizza! Domino's Pizza. We should go to Dom-Domino's Uncle John's five guys oh Yeah, uncle good John there is a guy for you yeah This is very suspect I can see where you could get carried away thinking this because it's so obvious yeah Yes, super obviously except there's no victims

1:07:52 The reason we have freedom of expression is not because truth will always win, but because without freedom of expression truth has no chance of winning whatsoever. And so this has been a really challenging election for a lot of people who believe in free speech and media law's actually come up a lot in this election and it's something that a lot of us are thinking deeply about. I like falsity good term falsity. I like post-truth. Post well it is the word of the year after all Well at least with one dictionary. So I think that's where we're going to be headed, we're not going to be beheaded but we are headed down the path of... I think you're still cutting this Pizzagate thing a little short. I was thinking about this during this segment, and I was thinking of the naming conventions for pizza places. Little Caesars has kind of a pedophile sound to it if you ask me. Pizza Pizza, that little buzz phrase? That's kinda sketchy. Pizza Hut, hut, huh?

1:08:47 Huh? Hut. Straw hat, yeah kids wear straw hats and straw has got guys from the twenties. Shakeys huh? Shaky shaky bakey. Lane splitter is a big one around here lane splitter get it? Split the lane mmmmmmmm code dominoes pizza! Domino's Pizza. We should go to Dom-Domino's Uncle John's five guys oh Yeah, uncle good John there is a guy for you yeah This is very suspect I can see where you could get carried away thinking this because it's so obvious yeah Yes, super obviously except there's no victims

1:09:31 Well, there's that. But we are going to see... I think maybe they become the sausage on the pizza Like Soylent Green You're eating kids! I don't know man. So that's all, I'm not selling it short John that's bull crap. Go on! No, no I'm still on your side on this. I will say those guys at the comet place probably deserve a little grief because they're kind of creepy and like the guy in Austin was talking about you know guys who have the ear piercing there is a big giant hole Yeah its blown out with a shotgun

1:10:12 Yeah, it's a big huge and they make it bigger and bigger. You know this is something that used to take place in during when I was a kid. It happens in Africa to this day yeah with the eubangis and these people that put the film cans in their lips and they get these huge mouths uh And then they play music with sting yeah those people yeah Sting yes stink Yeah what are you saying? They're creepy! Is that what you're saying? Well they're creepy fine Yeah, but creepy is not the same as being a pedophile necessarily. But the more Pizzagate continues the more it's going to be used to bring in licensing of journalism and the more it's going to be used to sue people who propagate this... Well I think you're real hit in this long-winded thing which included that very long clip of people bickering

1:10:59 is the possibility that this guy was, you said he had an IMDB page. This actor goes in there and you're right! Nobody goes roaming around Washington DC with an AR-15 in the air shooting off rounds and doesn't get gunned down. My point exactly So we'll continue to follow it from this direction Well I hope we don't have to continue to follow it which would end... Eh, I think better stuff It's not that good I mean, I like that. I think it's funny! I got a kick out of Hillary Clinton running a pedophile ring...I mean that to me is just priceless. Well be more like Podesta and not Clinton. Oh, Podesta is totally the...he looks the role. That's the problem with you being crazy looking. Yeah yeah well with that I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning

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1:13:29 starting with Sir O'Nonymous, the Angelic Knight who came in and saved the day with $1207.41. This is two people this is a sir on... Oh and Sir Angelic! That's his brother who died he passed away remember? He's the angelic knight. Right right right yeah if any of yall read the note from Sir O'Nonymous' brother Sir Angelic Knight that we may always remember this day how it changed the world thank you for all This is Pearl Harbor Day. Thank you for all those who have contributed. who have and continue to defend our freedoms. Freedom of religion and speech are the first mentioned because they are so precious! The election season has improved my faith as every day I now pray for the eternal damn- I pray that eternal damnation exists, and may fall on the intentional liars that harm others with words and deeds!" I don't think you can pray for negative stuff... I don't think so either but he's doing it. Okay. Freedoms come at a cost So this is my donation honor freedoms we all fight to save

1:14:30 This important date and let us give you a little bit of karma for that. Thank you. You've got karma now this is 1207 oh, that's the no this the date taste is fantastic Wow what it was what a donation that was yesterday? Yeah, well I thought it was December 6th. I guess I'm wrong No, December 7th was day It lives in infamy apparently not so much infant to me that we couldn't get it mixed up with the six Well, I was a little early Kevin Anderson in Milford Michigan, 41667. Ah! He has an email and he wanted to get his knighthood today because he's going to the big meetup tonight as a massive meetup in Michigan is one of the Michigan local one has all these meetups around the state they only state that really got into it

1:15:23 And where can people find info on this and go find his name? I done meetup. Sorry, is it on the meat up meet up dot org comm whatever? Uh, I don't know worried they listen to they have their own mailing list and they send it out. Okay good great Yeah, that's what as they're gonna have a meeting in Los Angeles are they meeting up at a pizza parlor? I don't know, maybe pizza. Pizza have to be a little Caesars. What was the funniest one? I can remember split lane split Lane Splitter later. OK, but if we do that's funny. Where is Anderson here? Well he did send a note in and let me see what we got sorry Kevin Anderson when it must have spelled it wrong on this search

1:16:21 I'm getting there. Oh, I'll take a look all right well anyway Kevin we did note was about getting your knighthood he did have some requests i'll dig it up during as we go and we'll do it later oh I mean I have it here oh you do so I think so here we go Noah Jenna took four years but I finally achieved knighthood I hear by wish to be referred to his cervix of the hot African bush I intend to wait. I intended to wait for episode 888 because it's my lucky number, but I had to pull it out way early To get my knighthood prior to the Michigan meetup which is innuendo? I know which is this Thursday evening Please play me out with my fake news jingle Which I'm sending with my note I'm very aware that my voice sucks But the show inspires me Kevin Anderson soon-To-be night on this program from Milford Michigan riding up some fake news

1:17:18 Sir Chris Bach of the Brewers Guild in Cheshire, Connecticut $333.33 And he looks like he's gonna be taken up to Baron. Do we have him on the list of upgrades? My birthday this week, I've given myself an executive producership to celebrate the donation also makes me a Baron! I want to be the Baron of Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac Valley thanks for helping us keep things in perspective and a crazy world karma for everyone.

1:18:21 You've got karma. So he is, let me just get this right... He's going to be a baron and the Baron of Quinnipiac Valley that did not make it into the spreadsheet okay. It means Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac got it okay onward Thomas Butterick in Dayton Ohio $201 be associate executive producer for show 884 two hundred one dollars and one cent 20101 ITM Gents, Sir Ladyfingers here. I've been a baronet most of the year and I didn't bother to tell you all. See attached email to both of you for Mattis notes jingles and accounting D-bag call out for Samuel Butterick and David Johnson the mailman. Mail carrier!

1:19:14 It's just mailman on here, so I read what he every what they wrote Let's see what we have for butter Ricky. I have oh, I'm sorry yes you have it no No go ahead keep going. I the next one He just will just give him a karma. You've got karma Now this next one. I got an email wait a minute. I didn't do this when he's got some call-outs you I mean some other stuff he wants to put in there Oh, I'm sorry. That's what he says All I see is... oh, okay. Oh! I'm sorry, I was wrong. Yeah you're right. Uh, ITM General, why are we here? Okay same thing douchebags get this on he's gonna reiterate it he could be okay here it is brief note on general Mattis oh this is a story something we should know this is important to the show

1:20:04 I, he says as a former military sergeant in the Marines can report that Mattis has a passionate cult following and is universally admired. He's known for looking out for troop welfare above and beyond the call of duty checking on the guards while deployed in the dead of night interacting with junior personnel frequently giving his personal time former command come up commandant General Kruelock related a story of finding Mattis, A Perpetual Story was news to me. It was reported in the Stars and Stripes at the time that Mattis was reluctant to send aircraft without knowing the situation on the ground according to an account in The Only Thing Worth Dying for book or movie Well they've taken fire and I can't tell you definitively how they got all scuffed up I'm not going to send anything until you can assure me that the situation on the ground is secure." I think thats that situation that the army guy was bitching about

1:20:52 As a student of war, perhaps he was avoiding another black hog down. This is already too long but it's important to point out his reputation as a warrior monk and student of war He is the embodiment of the warrior ethos His humor might be dry but its eaten up by young gun-toting war fighters Taking quotes out of context e.g., It's fun to shoot some people is part of a character assassination effort targeting a man who operates well in an envir- I think he's pointing this note at me. Operates well in an environment where PC culture doesn't have a home. The one negative story aside, I have yet to hear any substantial criticism lodged from fellow service members of ANY branch may be knee jerk but I cannot think of a better man for the job to continue... ...to counter assholes like Secretary Mabus." Pfft! Uh, Mabus?

1:21:40 I don't know Mavis. I don't know if Mavis is, no. Anyway he's got a jingle request. This at the end of... Trigger warning at the end of this show. Douchebag check bag check bag check No douchebag check And whoa whoa whoa you got butt slammed. Ehhh... Douchebag check Yeah? And then whoa whoa whoa Just a butt slam thing that we do. Yeah but I know he needs whoa doesn't he Well it says, whoa ho ho you got butt-slammed. Oh okay so I've got the douchebag check and he wants the trigger at the end of the show which will be odd because it says its meant for the beginning of the show but okay. Douche bag and what was the other one? The last one sorry. Whoa whoa whoa you got butt slammed.

1:22:34 Yes nice finally last but not the least a nominate of my nominem is anonymous in parts unknown here. Yeah, he sent me an encrypted note Okay, that's fantastic. Greetings from afar! I'm a loyal monthly contributor but this is my first true producership credit. I struggle to find words that fully convey my appreciation for your work It's all been said before anyway so please accept my simple heartfelt thank you If I myself spending the season of giving away from home again...I think he may be military

1:23:22 Fortunately, I have great access to the internet. Yeah he's military and as much evil as packet switch data networks have brought to humanity It is uplifting to have a stable line of communications to friends and family back home hmmm... I'm thinking maritime for switch if he's on a switch network Hmm The internet also gives me a line to reciprocate giving. In that spirit, I ask that this associate executive producer ship go to Sir John the Brewer all hail the ale one jingle request for the end of the show the integrate or die or maybe was evolve or die song that sampled Jean-Claude Juncker Wow wow yeah right is not gonna happen

1:24:13 Darn. It was probably one of those Danny Luce things, the integrate. I remember it but it's so long ago and it was a one-off. Well, I'll look for it before the end of this show. Yeah good luck. Was it integrate? Was it integrate or die? No, it was evolve... I have no idea. Damn! Okay. I do have a make good though. Do you have your pen out? Oh yes Okay, and this is Allison who on her birthday to last show Mm-hmm Alison had a birthday on Monday. I want to put her on the list and she wanted it don't eat me Hillary get out of my vagina and Little girl yay okay? Don't eat me out of my vagina And what was the

1:25:19 Little girl yay. Yeah, okay? This is so much hey and When is her birthday I need to put on the birthday list I presume the birthday was last Monday Okay 25 she's 25 okay turn 25 So that will be belated 25 here we go You've got karma all right Bookkeeping yes Paperwork yeah, well we got it out of the way that's pretty concludes our little group of producers and executive producers for show 884 Yeah, I think yeah. Yeah profusely thank you. Thank you much Thank you to all of our producers of course who do much use this show in so many many many many many many ways and

1:26:07 We will be thanking more people coming up in our second donation segment for $50 and above. And remember, we have a show coming up on Sunday Please support us for that! Devorac.org slash N-A And while you're hanging out with the family or friends this weekend why not propagate the formula? Our formula is this...we go out, we hit people in the mouth Order Shut Up! Shut Up Slave I have a little reported story here that's showing up around the Bay Area and elsewhere, and it is very interesting because there are solutions to this problem. And I knew this was going to happen! Not in this form... This is fantastic the way its going down. This clip on this list is called New Car Easy To Steal. Okay does it need any setup?

1:25:19 Little girl yay. Yeah, okay? This is so much hey and When is her birthday I need to put on the birthday list I presume the birthday was last Monday Okay 25 she's 25 okay turn 25 So that will be belated 25 here we go You've got karma all right Bookkeeping yes Paperwork yeah, well we got it out of the way that's pretty concludes our little group of producers and executive producers for show 884 Yeah, I think yeah. Yeah profusely thank you. Thank you much Thank you to all of our producers of course who do much use this show in so many many many many many many ways and

1:26:07 We will be thanking more people coming up in our second donation segment for $50 and above. And remember, we have a show coming up on Sunday Please support us for that! Devorac.org slash N-A And while you're hanging out with the family or friends this weekend why not propagate the formula? Our formula is this...we go out, we hit people in the mouth Order Shut Up! Shut Up Slave I have a little reported story here that's showing up around the Bay Area and elsewhere, and it is very interesting because there are solutions to this problem. And I knew this was going to happen! Not in this form... This is fantastic the way its going down. This clip on this list is called New Car Easy To Steal. Okay does it need any setup?

1:27:06 No, you'll get to set up in this in the clip. We're back now with a new warning for drivers about a mysterious device being used to break into cars without even touching them. Thieves are using 21st century technology to copy your keys just by standing near you without you ever knowing it's even happening. We get the alert and details and tonight's Rossen reports from national investigative correspondent Jeff Frosted In California, this suspect is using a mystery device to break into this SUV stealing an expensive bike. In Seattle another suspect holding his backpack close to the car door and boom he's in! And it's happening across the country

1:27:50 But now officials at the National Insurance Crime Bureau say they may have solved the mystery. This device that fits in a small bag could be what thieves are using, showing us how it works. All right so we're going to demonstrate this and by the way this is a two-person job because the device comes in two different pieces, your piece and my piece. My producer Giovanna here is going to play the victim basically any one of you who park at a mall parking lot any big parking lot so heres what would happen You and I are gonna play the suspects we come over here and we sort of be in a parking lot talking amongst ourselves nothing suspicious meanwhile you would park your car and heres what would happen Okay getting out of my car

1:28:28 Locking my door like I normally would and just walking away what she doesn't see our suspect trailing behind her with the device Cloning the signal of her car's key fob in just seconds. Yeah, I've got the green light. I've got a signal from the fog and I'm backing off. So his device just automatically sent the signal to my smaller device now this is basically the key to the car now remember, the door is completely locked but when I hold this up to the door look...I open the door right up and that's not all with this device watch this yes I just started the car so now I am a thief in your car

1:29:03 driving away within seconds all because of this little device. It's terrifying how fast this is and it's not just this car our experts using the device to break into and start 17 different makes and models The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers telling NBC News automakers have been working on multiple fronts to address security and enhance it calling it a top priority. So what can we do? Park in a crowded area at least so lessens the chance and if you see somebody suspicious around there have second thoughts and maybe alert the police A new warning just in time for your holiday shopping Jeff Rawson NBC News Chicago I really love that effect they got in there, tried to ISO it They got a fast one though Yeah Nice

1:29:55 Uh, yeah. So um... okay? Now this was expected we let's face reality about a modern car which of course is my excuse to keep my 24 year old Lexus Which drives like a train It still drives well and people when they see me and they say oh is that the ol' car you keep bitching about in the show that you do These cars have got GPS in them since about 1996 or 97. There's like a GPS thing, the newer ones they know where you are all the time. The cars use this wireless remote you stick it in your pocket and never have to pull a key out. You just walk up to the car and it opens and starts. Got a button? Push a button and then the buttons makes it start just like a 1945 Packard which had a little button on the six on the six-volt.

1:30:45 I think didn't you have to use a shotgun shell to start the Packard? There's a button. Okay, and why they will it seems to me...I don't know maybe i'm wrong is actually probably am wrong The mechanical key that used to use this like my old Lexus You stick a key fancy keys as matter of fact so you can do a thing and turn it And then the car starts and then you're on your way Now there's no key, there's nothing to turn. So it's all...so the electronics that are on one side of the car that do all this fancy stuff and then the wireless key thing which the battery can go dead by the way you can't get in your car great! That little item is

1:31:27 Generally speaking my question is why or why isn't this communication between car and key encrypted that seems like the obvious thing to do That's not the problem. The problem with this device is they clone your key so they would have flown the encryption key, too So they get behind you with this little a device that just it talks through the key in your pocket Or the key in your purse in the case of And then the key tells says, Oh, I'm busy. You are you the car? No. Yeah. I am the car will give me the code. Okay. Here it is. Okay. Nevermind. I'm sorry. I'm going to have to, I gotta throw up an objection on that Okay, if you're using encryption properly then the only thing that will be sent back and forth is the one-time verification cut one time Verification code they're not gonna do that because you have well geez I mean I can do with my email Why wouldn't they do it in the car? You have a public key and a private key There's no way that if someone got that one time token that you can use it again. I don't understand why that's not possible

1:32:22 Sorry. I'm sure that there is an encryption mechanism that makes it possible, but they're not using it because they didn't see any reason to do so. That two and a half minute report didn't include any of that? Well, I am thinking no because the car companies aren't going to do any of that. They didn't do it because nobody thought that would be one of the solutions. But at the car level what are you gonna do with all these old cars on the road we're talking about how long has this been going on for? A decade? Yeah, a long time. Millions of cars with this stupid system At least. So my, I have a recommendation. Yeah disable that and use your key well lot of these don't have a key. Oh mine does yeah well yours car is not that new it's 2015 no 2014 you're right but yours is its truck too they have to be more practical

1:33:15 You know, you can't have no keyhole at all. Yeah you could disable it if you could but then you still have to turn it somehow turn it back on and I look at those things... My daughter's got a Volkswagen and it has one of these electronic keys or going too but I've seen these things and there's no way to disable it There's no little button that turns it off. It's not like on my Lexus, which is an old 93 Lexus they used to have a little button on the side of the key that would open the doors but that could be disabled by turning it off inside the car and there's also the issue with making the button work to start the engine on the newer cars. It's not the way to go you can't do it But what you can do Is be a little nerdy And carry

1:34:04 a aluminum foil bag pouch. A Faraday cage! Or, a small Faraday cage with that cloth that they make and then as soon you get out of the car and hit the button to lock the car, you drop it into the Faraday cage pouch and then stick that in your purse. This was not suggested at all You know, I have a suggestion. When I was just driving... when I just started out driving in the Netherlands and had number of cars my first car was a Volvo 141 which was a tank with a lawnmower engine yeah very classic then I had a Volkswagen bug 1303 which is souped up that was classic and also had... I bet it was souped up Yeah it was And also had a Citroen Deux Chevaux 2CV

1:34:54 Well, that's a gutless wonder of all time. Yeah it's the two horsepower Uh, three speed. I think it was 3-3 speed on the dashboard with this big stick that Neil was like the you push it in and to the left for one and back right at the impaler. The impaler exactly but because of by design had kind of like our sardine can top that you could roll back so it was a ragtop but not literally you rolled it back. You had two people to roll over classic So these things are very easy to steal because you can get into them. And we had a steering wheel lock and it was great, it was a long piece of metal with uh... there's adjustable in length with rounded edge on one side and then like an S that rounded the other way and you put one end of the S around your brake pedal. Did they still make these? I wonder! They were great! No, they do. We had one for Miata that we once had Yeah, these are easy-to deploy

1:35:55 And it doubles as an ugly stick to beat someone over the head. Yeah, that's my recommendation Well that's not the point of their report was they weren't necessarily wanting to steal the cars They wanted to steal this stuff That was in them I understand so then that you show your recommendation doesn't work and then my second You don't keep stuff in your car. That's my second recommendation Don't leave shit in your car. I'm telling a Faraday cage carry one with you at all times I have a couple Yeah, I have Faraday bags. And in the Faraday bag, I always have two Ham Radio walkie talkies or as we call them handys and HT the handy talkie

1:36:43 Why are they in a Faraday cage? So if we get nuked or some EMP, then they'll still work. Oh I get it! It's a set you know hello McFly there ya go If we get nuked Or an EMP yeah big EMP boom right over Austin You'll be ready That's right Save the world I have my meals ready to eat I have my one acre crisis garden and I think I have some iodine drops here somewhere Ebola Ebola that's right That's right. E-BOLA I have a follow up on the Ebola crisis, there was kind of a post mortem on NPR got a lot of NPR clips from people for some reason with a guy from the CDC and we always talk about how the truth wants to come out and people say the darndest things like wow you know the truth kinda want...and sometimes it comes out in the form of jokes wouldn't you say?

1:37:43 Oh, absolutely. In fact I think most people who joke about you know like make a joke about something... In fact just to give you little backup on that thesis the great folklorist Leggman can't remember his first name wrote these two books called The Rationale of the Dirty Joke and he surmised and kind of proved that any if you can kinda psychologically analyze somebody by the type of dirty joke they like to tell. Yes exactly And this was a very serious conversation about Ebola and how challenging it was for the operatives in these countries who are running the medical facilities to get people to come in and stay in the facility so they could be treated. One of the challenges they had is, they had people who were accustomed to taking drugs you know...of the illegal substance kind

1:38:37 And they were tweaking, they wanted their drugs. So they had to figure out a way to get people what they needed so that they wouldn't be outside of the tents spreading Ebola if any of this is true at all but in this report we may learn something. I told government that we had to anticipate some of these young men maybe drug users and they go into withdrawal if we put them into ETU And in fact, that was the case. About two to three days later there were some of them getting agitated and somehow they found a way to support their needs for drugs.

1:39:16 Did you have to do some of that, to help them get what they needed? To keep them in this facility where they could be quarantined. No I didn't... the CDC didn't pay for that or do that but then the government found a way for the communities support them so they were doing that So it's but in some ways it sort of an awkward situation for the government because in some ways you're asking exactly just sort of look the other way while someone is doing something illegal here Yeah, I think that they... but at the same time it'd be like any withdrawal. They needed treatment. It wasn't a conventional treatment that's for sure." It was odd for public health officials to be sanctioning illegal drug use But again when you're in the middle of an unfolding catastrophe You sometimes have to bend the rules Even though CDC wasn't actually supplying anyone drugs The arrangement produced lots of double-takes

1:40:05 One day, a Liberian government minister turned to Frank during the discussion and joked about the backdoor drug channel. And he says...and I understand that CDC is providing them with the marijuana and I said excuse me sir? He said like to correct that he said CDC is not providing the marijuana but we're providing the cocaine. How about that! Now, there's a clip with the punchline. Now one other thing about this though since when do people have withdrawal symptoms from marijuana? They don't and since when do they have withdrawal symptoms from cocaine? They don't

1:40:51 So I think maybe this whole story is somehow, it doesn't fit. But then the joke about, nah we're not supplying the marijuana we're supplying the cocaine! Dude who knows what they were doing out there? It had to be heroin if there's anything going on like that... I just thought it was funny. Well, since you brought up marijuana, have a clip. So I'm watching the NFL today. It's a show on Showtime with a bunch of guys yacking for an hour about the football games in the last week and so they have this guy who is executive producer also one of the hosts Phil Sims, famous quarterback from New York Giants from years ago

1:41:31 has his son on, who apparently got on the show because he did some rant on one of these sports shows or website actually about marijuana and how it should be legalized across the board. And that the NFL in particular should let people use it instead of letting them get strung out on oxycodone and all the other drugs. Isn't there a famous UT player who also is advocating this? probably there's a bunch of football players who advocate it and so they do a little thing on here and it can hear come the old memes. And I really felt, you know like this was uh, I mean watching like I'm watching something from the forties or listening to these guys go back and forth but refer madness and there's definitely not a

1:42:21 mention of CBD. They talk about, you know they kind of beat around the bush because they didn't do enough research but play this clip marijuana in the NFL and it should be mentioned that These players who get just massively injured in all kinds of different ways really need some sort of a pain medication like CBD which does not get you high in any way. On Bleacher Report, so that brought up hey Phil we're gonna do this segment because your son said this I went well this is great dad yeah it's okay I'm fine with it and I said I'm gonna come on there and I'm gonna just smash it. In other words, I'm gonna be anti against everything he's saying and then I did a lot of research. I called some experts in the field of all this and what we're talking about

1:43:07 I'm telling you immediately. It changed my mind because there's ingredients in marijuana I'm not saying legalized marijuana, but the ingredients of marijuana just a well-known doctor told me this he goes it's anti inflammatory The ingredients are talking about so that was one thing it helps nerve pain and the biggest thing like Judy's Mike You were saying Judy to get players off the painkillers This is just a few of the things that If you could separate it, not smoking marijuana but get the ingredients in there that can help you. Just hearing that and knowing pro football and knowing what a lot of ex-players go through and what normal people go through just reading this in the last two days has changed my thoughts on it. So Judy let me ask you this from the perspective of the NFLPA is something they're going to use in their negotiations trying to get this allowed for I would say like as Chris was saying recreational use as well?

1:44:00 Well, I'm not sure that the league will ever go to that or i think we're a long way from the league approving it for recreational use. I could certainly see a carve out for medicinal use where its closely monitored with the team doctors know exactly what's going on but it is negotiating point it's got to be negotiated between the union and the league and you better believe they are going to try to extract something from the other side to get it. Judy you'r right but the thing about about marijuana, you know everybody goes oh I've said some of the good things that are in it too but the other part about it is too. It makes you drowsy your memory other things you lose so those are the...it's like drinking and driving. CBD does not do that

1:44:39 DVD does not do any of those. No, of course not. This can happen if you're smoking marijuana so I'm talking about... But if you're going to watch ESPN for your medical information then you know what you get what you pay for. What about the other ingredients that are in there that can help? All I know is that there's two sides of every story. I talk to people in law enforcement that I know very very well they tell me it's a gateway drug and totally against recreational use of it. I think I understand where you're coming from on the medicinal side of it and say in the palliative care world than I would definitely use As far as recreational where you're going, I think that's too extreme. Especially for NFL players. Oh my goodness. Yeah. It's a gateway drive. Hold on a second. Let's stop because that was boomer is science and who obviously doesn't know anything from the Cincinnati bangles he said knowingly

1:45:23 Yes, I know you impressed boomer is iosin who obviously has cops as friends and tell him oh? I've talked to my friends who are cops And they say that's a gateway drug hold on a second. What's the real Gateway drug we're talking about here Is it marijuana or is it oxycodone? I would wait drugga we talking about say oxy is the is the definition of a gateway drug because people can't afford it they get cut off and They go to heroin Yeah, how many people can't afford pot and then go to heroin? Nobody! Although heroin is way cheaper than pot. It is way cheaper than pot but nobody goes to heroin because that's not what they're looking for But there's a lot of meth I think meth may be a gateway drug Well every lot of things are bad Of all the things we've talked about the least gateway drug is marijuana And it's the fact that you know it's the cannabinoids you want it's not the THC

1:46:21 Yeah, especially if you're a football player. Is that easy to separate? The CBD? Yes! How do you separate the CBD? It's just an alcohol separation of some sort I'm not sure they probably use it distilled...it's probably distilled off there are a million ways to separate these chemicals and then I get the sense because there is so much CBD product out there yeah and their blending it let's put a little this or a little that make it 40-60 let's make it 60-40 that it's probably very easy to separate. I got some stuff from Danny, the drug dealer who went to California up in the mountains and he's learning how to grow all this stuff and he sent me some stuff through the mail

1:47:00 I walk in the mail room here my building. Oh my god. No, it's stinking Danny the drug dealer Yeah, yeah do a better job of sealing this stuff up now? I'm I'm I'm pretty weathered guy This is Oz gorilla what weathered I mean experienced with them with the marijuana product I thought you're outside too long too much. Yeah Okay I'm experienced, have some standing in the area. You do? Having grown up in Amsterdam and I have to say this Oz gorilla stuff... That knocked me on my ass that is uncommon now I didn't immediately say wow that was great I need some horse but there definitely is some hard-ass stuff out there. Oz Gorilla? Oz Gorilla yeah

1:47:53 I want a refund. It's not fun, if you wanna go to sleep but I rarely have that anyway... Most of this stuff is not fun anymore the CBD is interesting and like I said I'll say it again for everyone who listens to the show they know this are gonna get getting roll their eyes You going into one of these drug pot shops in Washington State The place is filled with old ladies who have aches and pains And this stuff does just great You know, I still have the Kratom which i need to try. That is on the list but after our conversation about mushrooms oh man! I received so much email about that particular topic and it was consistently like this you need to try this This can give you a life-changing experience It will take about seven hours...you should fast a few days beforehand and take a week off

1:48:50 How many mushrooms are these guys eating? I don't know, man. That was my thought exactly like I can do that. I've never heard anyone say anything so crazy fast and take a week off but the whole idea of being high for seven hours no no No! And everyone's like, well you know usually it's great. You could get a really bad trip Not looking for that No! Get a bad trip? Not looking for it at all That's why I like DMT 20 minutes done. You know you're gonna live. Oh, I'm gonna live if you have a bad trip Theremin play the theremin Hey man... Yeah you could have a bad trip A really really bad trip oh man I'm seeing monkeys flying out of your butt

1:49:47 That's my little... Well that was my lead into your mushroom clip. I thought you'd catch the drift Oh, the mushroom clip? Yeah yeah the mushroom clip What was it again? I can't remember this We're back now with what you might call an unconventional way that has helped some cancer patients feel better Psychedelic medicine you might say in the form of magic mushrooms and doctors say for some they're working well magic Let's get more from NBC's Kristen Donovan. When you think magic mushrooms, chances are something like this comes to mind but you may soon think of this a medication too small but encouraging studies out today show the hallucinogenic ingredient in some mushrooms called psilocybin reduced anxiety and depression in 80%

1:50:38 percent of cancer patients for more than six months after receiving just one dose. So you've been through a lot though in your life with... Gail Cowan was in her fourth bout with breast cancer. You know I was really feeling sorry for myself and feeling very stressed After extensive psychological testing she was given a pill and watched closely by doctors as she listened to music It's beautiful. You know, it is something you want to embrace. Cowan took the drug two years ago and still... Like every night when I get in bed, I find that I have this smile on my face

1:51:22 It's that long-term effect that has doctors hoping for more studies conducted under tight DEA regulation and medical supervision. People should not look at this research and data, and extrapolate from that they can go get mushrooms illicitly tried and think it's going to help them But researchers are now encouraged by the potential of psychedelics to treat things like alcoholism smoking and depression Just this week the FDA approved a large scale trial using the illegal party drug ecstasy for PTSD. Once criminal compounds getting a second look and giving some like Gail Cowan, a second chance I think it's wonderful Kristen Dahlgren NBC News New York

1:52:05 I think I worked with her. I find that very interesting, it may very well be true that we're learning more and more about our natural surroundings and what natural things can do for us and I find that encouraging but here's my problem the advertisement you hear from Magic Mushrooms is like It's all so nice! And wonderful! And I know the minute I take mushrooms is going to be one like this How's your shrimp Adam? Well, that's what I'm expecting. So not thinking I want to be more in line with expecting this from this clip. This is the YouTuber and I recommend people check this woman out or girl. I didn't send this to you cause I know you would get so irked. Yeah. It's just a small prep night. Yeah. Especially like this is a very short clip of an excerpt from boxy

1:53:07 and what she has to say. If we had a class together, I would have remembered you because I love your hair! And yeah, and it's so pretty. It is so long! I have been growing my hair out for two years and this is as far as I've gotten. This is not very long but your hair is so long. It must have taken forever to get that long and I really like it So I think I would remember you because I really love your hair Also um...I really love your kitty He's so cute And he's super cute and if I had him, I would just love him and cuddle him all day long. You should too! You should be happy you have such a cute little kitty. He is so cute! Also when your nails fell off... I kind of giggled because that used to happen to me all the time

1:54:03 Yeah, viva magic mushrooms. I Vance is what I'm thinking you're thinking man your magic mushrooms No, I don't know what I'm thinking when I think it's my Vance Earlier clip in the show we had we had this effect that thing I pointed it out and she did the same thing which is Overpronounced the teas that are yes She said got ten gotten important Now, this is interesting because we actually played something some shows ago about how there's... and we talked about it like the tooth brush. Some letters are missing and were starting to hear people drop the T in the middle of words so they say gotten. And yeah, gotten, gotten, gotten. Yeah, so she's the opposite, gotton. So there's a gotten going on and a gutten going on. Gotten, important.

1:54:51 So there's something going on with the language trying to... it's almost like the climate, you know? It's just trying to make up for people saying God. Oh! It's like trying to balance it out between under-pronunciation and over pronunciation Yeah, don't you think? Oh I like that. Yeah, I like it. I've got information man! New shit has come to light! Just wanted to share an email that came in John from our friend Brian the Gay Crusader in Chicago Okay Adam, I just heard the clip of The Chick Who Is Scared and this is referring to Mike Pence And I have to agree, I'm scared too Remember this is our official gay crusader Yes Governor Mike Pence did sign the Religious Freedom Restoration Act which potentially allowed for discrimination against LGBT individuals However

1:55:35 People completely ignore the fact, yeah I forgot to mention this again. That after the bill became law and concerns were voiced about the Religious Freedom Restoration Act enabling discrimination against gays it was Governor Mike Pence who called on lawmakers to pass legislation clarifying that it does not allow business owners to discriminate in providing services Adam, did you know that Indiana law prohibits discrimination in state employment based on sexual orientation and identity? In Indiana by law you cannot be fired for being LGBT. And I think Brian should have clarified that does that mean you have to lesbian gay bisexual and transgender all at the same time or just one of them?"

1:56:21 Anyway, if you work for the US federal government You can be fired simply for being LGBT as there is no law that provides the same protections as Indiana Did Mike Pence say dumb shit about LGBT in the 90s? Yes. But who didn't I love this guy and then he goes on and yeah about how Hillary is horrible. While Trump's words may be murky about LGBT rights, the man hosted Elton John's wedding long before same-sex marriage was cool and he rolled out the red carpet at Trump Tower for Caitlyn Jenner to use the women's bathroom With those two actions, Trump has done far more for LGBT people than Hillary has ever done. So Adam I'm scared because despite the ability to fact check these things at their fingertips young people have no interest in doing anything that might allow them to discover that reality is different than what lobotomized talking heads suggest it is. Fact-check false

1:57:14 Thank you, Brian. A little twistaroo there in that letter! Nice huh? Yeah well thank you That's why I'm scared Good! To be a novelist yeah as a gay man in Chicago There ya go If he were black and Jewish it would be better It'd end gay This is the best we can do Hey big news in Europe In the Euro lands We have elections going down We got things taking place And in Germany Angela Merkel Frau Merkel was re-elected to represent her party in upcoming elections and well, the way she did it is the way most politicians do. Angela Merkel says the Burka should be banned in Germany quote wherever it is legally possible She also toughened her stance on refugees and she made a statement while bidding for a fourth term as Chancellor at her ruling CDU Party conference

1:58:08 There you go. So the lady who let him in is now saying, now kowtowing a bit to the dissatisfaction of the population in Italy on Sunday there was the referendum which I don't think we brought up and talked about it very, very briefly casually yeah We said were going to do more Well here's a more clip As promised Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi has formally tendered his resignation to the president His decision to step down after a crushing defeat in Sunday's referendum has plunged the country into turmoil, with attention now turning to forming a new government. Consultations now get underway and are due last until Saturday afternoon.

1:58:48 The President reserved his decision and asked the government to remain in office to cover the current business. The head of state will start consultations with political parties on December 8th, the schedule for which will be announced through the press office. President Mazzarella is expected to ask a member of Renzi's Democratic Party to try and head up a caretaker government however many across the political spectrum are hoping for early elections. Speeding up the timetable could mean gains for anti-establishment parties that want to turn their backs on the euro, something which has Brussels on edge. OK I think this is rather important news? I think so. What did you...I fell asleep last night after like three seconds of DH unplugged do you guys talk about it

1:59:35 A little bit. Okay, well what is the consensus financially when it comes to banks? The European Central Bank, the Euro... No but no no I have no clue. But thanks for asking! Yeah well i thought you might have an idea. Well I'm gonna have to ask my former New York banker then. I think it's worse than we think here here's a clip of this stuff that definitely is not going to get reported over here this is This is the clip that says leaving EU Veneto. Okey doke. Well, Veneto is in the north of Italy. Although it makes up only 8% of the country's population it is the third wealthiest region contributing over 9 percent of national GDP. Veneto has long been pushing for independence an unbinding referendum that was held two years ago showed that almost 90 percent of voters want to break away from Italy now one of the issues Veneto wants to take control off is its tourist industry

2:00:34 Huh, well if they're talking about a... What is the Italian version of Brexit? I exit. I don't know. Basta! I think it's just called basta. Basta buzzer. Okay, well... Well then we go on. There's even more action like this I mean they point out that we don't pay much attention to it but we do know there has been these split off movements. I think Catalonia is one of the most important also Flanders which isn't mentioned in the second half of this report But here are a bunch of them going on here. And Veneto isn't the only area in the EU that wants to break away

2:01:12 Spain's autonomous Basque region is also desperate to hold an independence referendum. Another Spanish region, Catalonia has already held a number of local independence votes however Madrid branded all of them unconstitutional The secessionist movement of the autonomous Sartirol region of Italy is also pushing to break away while in Germany a Bavaria party claims the region would be better off out of the country and the EU. Their calls intensified after the independence vote in Scotland in 2014, which even though it failed still sent a strong signal across the rest of the EU. And you know what's funny is? Of all these places, the only one that doesn't seem to want to break away anymore is Quebec!

2:01:57 They don't, huh? What happened to them? Well I have... Hey, Quebecers get your act together. And at the end of the report you find out, well... British MPs have voted to support the government's timetable for Brexit after a potential rebellion in the House of Commons was avoided. The government wants to trigger the divorce procedure by the end of March to set in motion formal negotiations In a compromise move it accepted an opposition Labour motion to publish a Brexit plan that Parliament can scrutinise For months

2:02:36 Labour has been pressing the Prime Minister and the Government to set out its plan for Brexit. Mr Speaker, facing defeat on today's motion The government has now caved in. The government has come under pressure to reveal details of its plan, critics say it hasn't got one over issues such as potential access to the EU's single market It still insists it can't give too much of its negotiating stance away We will need to find a way through a vast number competing interests to manage our exit from the union so that our people benefit from it That is the aim of this exercise So that our people benefit from it

2:03:13 To do this, the government must have the flexibility to adjust during negotiations. This week in the Supreme Court, the government is appealing against a ruling that it alone cannot trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to begin the Brexit process but needs Parliament's assent. Judgment is expected in January Okay, so we're still at the same spot. Big noise big running around but well We're not going to do anything until you publish a timetable and schedule of what you are going to do And then we still have to decide whether or not we can actually do it or... So I guess... Well, the guys at courts got involved and said you just can't do this. You have to go through Parliament. Right. And it doesn't…I don't see it not going through getting through Parliament but they're making a big stink. I was watching Question Time this week and they were making a big scene about the customs treaties or some treaty where they can let these shipping containers because as soon as they come through we have the same thing going on in this country. Here's a question because they keep talking about divorce procedures

2:04:17 This is how it's the metaphor is there. Divorce, divorce procedure do you think they'll carry the metaphor all the way through? Will there be alimony to be paid? Well, there's a 75 billion dollar bill that supposedly uh... The UK owns The EU that keeps cropping up in the currency. That's right! So I'm not sure what that How that's going to be dealt with hmm well who was the primary breadwinner the EU or the UK The way they've got it structured, they like deballed all these countries and don't you think? They're taking all the fishing rights away from the UK and then giving them to Norway and elsewhere. So everyone can have their own little thing that...they were supposed to divvy up this new world they're creating and Great Britain was assigned to be the

2:05:09 financial center of everything. Yeah, yes and then now you see that now they're moving to France to Frankfurt and Amsterdam a lot of banks are opening up subsidiaries right? Not quite the same as having a center. You know, and you...the real center of banking could have been Switzerland but they wouldn't...they would refuse to play this stupid game. Right, but it's both Frankfurt and Amsterdam both are exchanges. I think they have some but I think if they can move the whole thing to Liechtenstein which is kind of a banking operation, I think that would solve their problem.

2:05:45 But right now, the Brits wanna keep the banking thing going and say well we can still be the de facto bankers of the EU not a problem. And this is a mess. This they got themselves in too deep but now they're really screwed themselves. Now we're talking about the bankers? Two clips and I'll lead into one. The first is regarding the Euribor interest rates which were manipulated as you recall, I have a question about this report. The European Commissioners fined JP Morgan Chase Credit Agricole and HSBC a total of 485 million euros for their alleged role in a cartel to fix the price of Eurobor interest rates

2:05:09 financial center of everything. Yeah, yes and then now you see that now they're moving to France to Frankfurt and Amsterdam a lot of banks are opening up subsidiaries right? Not quite the same as having a center. You know, and you...the real center of banking could have been Switzerland but they wouldn't...they would refuse to play this stupid game. Right, but it's both Frankfurt and Amsterdam both are exchanges. I think they have some but I think if they can move the whole thing to Liechtenstein which is kind of a banking operation, I think that would solve their problem.

2:05:45 But right now, the Brits wanna keep the banking thing going and say well we can still be the de facto bankers of the EU not a problem. And this is a mess. This they got themselves in too deep but now they're really screwed themselves. Now we're talking about the bankers? Two clips and I'll lead into one. The first is regarding the Euribor interest rates which were manipulated as you recall, I have a question about this report. The European Commissioners fined JP Morgan Chase Credit Agricole and HSBC a total of 485 million euros for their alleged role in a cartel to fix the price of Eurobor interest rates

2:06:25 The EC says the trio colluded to manipulate the financial benchmark. Today's final decision sends a clear message... That is for Hage, the anti-competition lady I don't know why she is in charge of this Banks like all companies have to respect EU competition rules The Commission found a series of chatroom messages between traders at the banks congratulating each other on their actions It's them investigating foreign exchange trading. So here is my question, now they fined them half a billion if they have the evidence of these guys with this illegal activity why aren't they arresting them? They know who they are! They committed a crime! They're bankers you don't arrest bankers God that's... where is the protest?! That's nuts Oh no there too many... No you don't protest over that You protest over Trump Or

2:07:23 You might want to protest over this new thing that happened in Greece. The bankers came in and they've had austerity, all these deals and now they need some debt relief because there's just no way people are being squeezed out of every penny they've got, every drachma... Of course it's Eurocents! uh... and i think that they're in worse trouble than ever eurozone finance ministers have agreed to a modicum of debt relief for struggling greece but there is division on the exact reforms required to hit fiscal targets. The Eurogroup has met to assess how far the country has advanced with reforms before the next tranche of loans are released A second review looking at potential changes to Greek labor reform

2:08:11 ongoing. Once the second review of the program is completed and one way or another it will be completed, things will get better we'll see an improvement in the investment environment QE a return to the financial I think he said QE are they going to perform quantitative easing if at he said QE Well, they are doing QE in Europe but it's pretty lame compared to what we did. Oh I just felt like he was saying it was going to be about Greece itself. Improvement of the investment environment? QE? A return to the financial markets! In a couple years we'll feel this is our pockets but don't get any ideas about prosperity The ECB believes that 3.5% target for budget surplus excluding debt servicing costs is achievable within bailout time frame

2:08:59 Melina Tuktido is our correspondent in Athens. Well, in this case I would say the devil's in the numbers a very specific number in particular. I'm talking about the commitment of 3.5% primary surplus in the medium term which means at least until 2021 Why is this a problem? because numbers are very hard to manipulate. It is totally different to say I will reform my economy, I will become more competitive and return to sustainable finances like the memorandums have been saying until now. There are many ways around to find alternatives to achieve these goals but a 3.5% surplus says that even if the economy grows as fast as government hopes still the state will be sucking in

2:09:46 revenue that it gives out. I don't think there's a single member of the European Union who has adhered to the 3.5% and now part of the deal is Greece has to do that? Not gonna happen! No, its not going to happen, of course not nobody else does they do fudge the numbers well my story about Greece is different Ah, actually my clip is about the outrageous riots going on as we speak that no news media in this country wants to touch. Violent clashes between protesters and authorities have taken place overnight in central Athens following a peaceful march marking the anniversary of a teenager's death at the hands of police eight years ago. Dozens of demonstrators wearing masks threw Molotov cocktails and firecrackers at riot police

2:10:37 Similar clashes also took place in Greece's second largest city Thessaloniki. Crowds gathered to commemorate 15-year old Alexandros Grigoropoulos, who was killed by two police officers in 2008 Back then his death triggered the worst riots Greece had seen in decades and as we can see emotions there are still strong A former British diplomat, Professor William Mallinson says couple anniversary emotions with frustration of the government and people are acting out. Yeah why would we cover that? That's no good! We have Trump riots. Yeah you don't want that. Oh man... I got a note but i wanted to share with the group you know we've received many reports about millennials having issues with seeing people eat

2:11:30 or hearing people eat or drink certain liquids. What are these reports? We've talked about it in the past. Well, remind me I don't remember. Yeah that people can't like lip smacking is a big deal which we've also done which has come up on this show. Chewing with your mouth open's a good one. There's some phobias... The tongue comes out my favorite. Now these kids are getting triggered by this stuff By... To do what? Pee, did they pee in their pants. What kind of trigger are we talking about? You know triggered where they go they get all weirded out you know like a like with the hexagrams hexagons the same idea. Weird it out yeah okay well continue title of the note regarding our sound quality millennial safe podcast

2:12:26 It's from Carsa. She says, Adam just want to tell you how much I appreciate the work you put into the sound quality of your show Ah as a sufferer of misphonia There it is look at up Misphonia M Y S P H O N I A Hold on...I told ya there was- Let's set the book on knowledge and read definition here we go Misphonia literally hatred of sound was proposed in 2000 as a condition in which negative emotions, thoughts and physical reactions are triggered by specific sounds. It is also called Select Sound Sensitivity Syndrome and sound rage

2:13:12 Misphonia has no classification as an auditory, neurological or psychiatric condition. There are no standard diagnostic criteria It is not recognized in the DSM-IV which by the way everybody recognizes everything you get into DSM IV ICD 10 which is the codes and there's little research on its prevalence for treatment However proponents suggest misphonia can adversely affect ability to achieve life goals and enjoy social situations Do you want to hear more about this? Fine. Oh yeah, I'm all in on this one signs and symptoms as of 2016 the literature on misphonia was very limited huh some small studies show that people with misphonia generally have negative feeling strong negative feelings thoughts and physical reactions to specific sounds which the literature calls trigger sounds

2:14:04 These sounds are apparently usually soft but can be loud. One study found that 80% of the sounds were related to the mouth, eating, yawning etc., and about 60% were repetitive. A visual trigger... Ah I got one! What? It triggers me. What? Somebody takes a big glass of water and then they go... You do that! No i don't Yeah. Really? Yeah thats it. That's IT Did I trigger you Yes, I'm triggered now. I'm getting all weirded out! Here's where- Hold on... Oh, oh, I love that Okay But what was interesting is that it appears that a misphonic reaction can occur also in the absence of an actual sound This is crazy, this is crazy That sound is triggering me that you're making there It should

2:15:07 It's designed for that. Let me see if we have anything else here... Mechanism, diagnosis management Anyway so I'll go back to my email. I wanted to tell you how much i appreciate the work that you put into the sound quality of your show as a sufferer of misphonia no agenda is a rare gleaming gem in a sea of diarrhea Oh god! That's a bumper sticker There ya go A rare gleaming gem in a sea of diarrhea It sounds like a bullshit millennial condition, I know. But it's unfortunately all too real! I am generally an easygoing person but certain high frequency sounds such as lip smacking or loud chewing fill me with an intense and completely irrational desire to attack the source or flee the scene

2:15:52 I love audio. I work making high-end speakers where I listen to eight hours of podcasts and audiobooks all day, and I don't stop when I get home. Yes. Stock! Can we get a discount? I'm sure However, very few podcasters take the time to learn anything about sound. It seems they just go find an expensive microphone then point it at their yappers and go! The result is that it sounds like my ear is located inside their mouths for the whole show. I can hear Molineux's every clicking motion of his tongue as the saliva crackles during a dramatic pause. And I can hear the spit building up in Rogan's mouth followed by his hurried mid-word gulps, as he tries to continue the rant without pause.

2:16:45 It sucks. But in order to tolerate these and other podcasts that I love, I have to turn on an equalizer and cut out any frequency above 1000 Hertz. Well that by the way is a good tip we could sell misphobia misphonia filters which is easy it's a cheap filter to do with thousand yeah you just put it in your plug one into your iPhone the other end of your earbuds and then you hear something like let me see I've got to get the right thing to do this, right? Okay. Let me try this it then it sounds like this Just talk normal for a second dog normal okay now you can Adam are you there? Yeah, no, I fixed it it sounds great John I bet you did you sound great The no agenda misphonia filter

2:17:43 Anyway, but no! Not in no agenda. Listening to you feels like buttery smooth chocolate being poured into my ears coating my soul instead of making me want to stab out my eardrums with a pencil If only the world would follow in your footsteps Much love from Carsa Once again proof we truly are the best podcast in the universe I'm gonna show my support by donating to no agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fab We do have a few people to thank for show 884 and let's start thanking him Paul Paul check i'm guessing and Camberwell West Victoria Australia $180

2:18:37 Rosanna Oglesby, who's got a birthday call out for someone. San Angelo Texas... well wait a minute there's even more! She wants the donation to go toward her husband's knighthood also want to wish him a happy birthday and call out he called him out as a douchebag again according to her he has deduced himself once after I called them out for not donating it hasn't donated since Even though I keep telling him he should because I love him. I'd like to also give him some karma Thanks for entering Buddha karma frame at the end. Yes, thank you very nice Josh Joshua defibbo in San Francisco California hey He'll be a knight. He will be a night. He wants to me. He says something funny here says I'm optimistic that Trump will work out and Adam can come out as a trump sexual

2:19:32 That's it. You think that might be an insult? I don't think so! Now we have a little grouping of 88.88 well-wishers. Yep, 88s, 88s, yep. Four mere of them... Oscar Quiroga II somewhere in the US Tim Conner in Edmonton Alberta Sir Mike Wakefield is somewhere and Dame Pamela Hag in Allegheny, New York. Those are our four well-wishers. Thomas8884 in Frankfurt Germany. Boob! Roger Boots in Mechanicsville Iowa is boobb80.08 and Todd Rathkamp 80.08 We don't have a lot of... And he has a call out he says please call out

2:20:27 Cory Rathcamp as a douchebag. I thought i raised a son but may have gotten the freeloading millennial hey try smacking in his ear with your lips yawning in his face or doing it's there's a whole Larry David curb your enthusiasm episode about that specific thing It would be like this You get a mixed up there John Hamilton in Carlsbad, California 69 61 Robert Gusek in High Point North Carolina 55 10 that's double nickels on the dime to you cobarious Kerner Coob areas or Kubarius Kerner in Philadelphia 53 17 Michael Gates 52 80 parts unknown Christopher Trump Trump in Sturgis Michigan Sturgis

2:21:28 I don't know if that's... Hog heaven, isn't it Sturgis? Is that the right Sturgis because there are two or three of them. Oh no not Michigan no i don't think it is. I think the Sturgis we're talking about is an ahhhhhhhhh. They should get rid of Sturgis Michigan That's lame No they should have the event there they should steal the event. I think you know their culpable under the Lyme Act Gene Ablin in Sonora, California. These are all $50 donors name and location. Jean Ablin in Sonora, California 50. Jonathan Meyer in Zinnia Ohio Tim Abell or Abell Abel in Bergfield Berkshire UK Edward Mazurik in Memphis Tennessee Beaumont Proudfoot in Hollidays Point New South Wales Australia

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2:22:51 It's gonna be a Los Angeles meetup on December 26th at 5 30 p.m the day after Christmas yes or some call it the second day of Christmas then you can get info at Citizen Beverly oh that's where it's going to be citizen beverlyhills.com Okay, so I'll have more. I'm gonna send a couple emails that because you're gonna be there is that why yes? We're the whole family's gonna be there Eric to shill is going to be there Oh Buzzkill jr.. Is Gonna Be There oh man Eric's kids should be there. I'm hoping man. I got Christina coming in so I can't come That's okay. Yeah, we were on he just did the other promo yeah, but I haven't seen you in three years Yeah fantastic

2:23:39 You know, you're right. That is fantastic! I'm loving it. I want to thank everyone who supported the show today in all the ways that you do and i want to say i was very proud yesterday when i was talking to Max Kaiser about our value for value model he was blown away by it not that he isn't familiar with it because we know he listens but he's a douche because he doesn't donate oh he never donates no no douche although he's a big tipper is he yeah cash Pays with hundred dollar bills big tipper. Yeah, yeah He didn't pay with Bitcoin No strangely that was so odd I didn't see that at all

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2:27:14 I don't know how it happens. It just happens." So you and I both talked a little bit about this, we have no clips about that girl Tommy. Tommy Lahren yeah. I like her. She goes on... Well she's 24! She's got a career ahead of her if she had the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group which you can find at currydvorak.com Did you see that? Yeah, it was dynamite. I'd forgotten about it has been around for a while, I think yeah the guy is paid off. Yeah phone hasn't stopped ringing so she's 20 year the keeper ran into her once I think when we're in New York they she ran into her in the bathroom and said hey you look a lot like Tommy to which he said yes I am

2:28:05 Well, I always thought she was kind of pleasant. And you'll recall that we were sitting in this bar area and having coffee but Tina didn't tell me that she'd run into her in the bathroom until after we left Yeah She didn't want you to run in there Exactly! I don't care what it says on the door LGBT rights All right, yeah. What about Tommy? Well she got lambasted by I would say she had an unfair interview with Trevor Noah Yeah And he's good what does the point of do what kind of a host are you unless you're doing one of those shows? I mean there are certain shows where you do and someone does a lot or has done a lot of interviews I can say that they have some

2:28:56 some concept of how this works. If you're doing a comedy show, it's easy...you're not going to be...you're not doing one of those shows where you bring somebody and set them up and then skewer them? No. Well, did you send me the link to New York Times review of that interview The New York Times, what a horrible piece they published. I mean, apparently Trevor Noah came out first before she was still in the dressing room before the taping of the show and he said hey you know I want to be respectful I've got Tommy Lauren on but just pretend it's like your racist uncle is coming over for dinner on Thanksgiving. What is that? Yeah really?

2:29:38 But this New York Times article, which is probably linked to in the show notes. Yeah I have it in the show notes, yeah. It has uh... This article's almost calling for people to go shoot the woman! Do you have it there? You want just read a piece? I'm looking at it. Just about halfway through that- I'll just read randomly because it's all bad. Ms Lauren is frequently denied being racist Hey, you're still beating your wife? Seriously. What kind of a sentence is this she's frequently denied being racist in the interview with New York Times last week she condemned they fringe movement known as alt-right which espouses white nationalism and anti-semitism calling it disgusting

2:30:25 And she would never be an advocate, a cheerleader or an apologist for the KKK or any other group." This is classic. This is a hit piece. It is I mean the structure of it as a hit piece that's a lot of innuendo Well she never said she was you know this... Just the structure people should read this because for one thing its extremely long It prints out to three pages of small type, a single page. Now let me ask you John why do you think the New York Times went to this degree of writing about this for all intents and purposes? A YouTube star I mean although i think she's on different level doing different things but comparable in big view numbers etc Why are they doing this? Are they worried about her

2:31:22 Trump's team did not respond to a request for comment. What's it got to do with Trump? Well, she said Miss Lawrence says she was an informer advisor to Mr. Trump's campaign on his use of social media starting in August and she appeared on the campaigns behalf via Facebook live broadcasts in the final weeks before the election She has about 3.5 million followers that's threatening On Facebook and over 800 000 cumulatively on Twitter and Instagram when that doesn't count The way they put it She's open to opportunities beyond the blaze, including anything that might involve Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump's team... this is good! They say well she didn't you know she would look at their work from he wants to work for Trump from the sounds of the way they've set it up mm-hmm so then she says he wants to work for Trump and she doesn't say that by the way but that's a way they all that's like calling me was it a trump sexual or something? A trump sexual yeah now

2:32:15 The next graph and it's not just a normal graph. It's a standalone another way you said graph Oh, yes with this what your paragraphs are referred to as graphs? Oh I'm sorry G raf What's the stitch with your graph no that's not the reason you do it is not the sitch about anything oh there There's things that you use in writing that are purposely spelled screwy and graph is one of them. Lead, which means... Yeah, has another one. It's L-E-D-E And then there's a thing called there's sometimes there's a second thing to the title. Why I'm just out of curiosity why is that where it's paragraph too much for journalists?

2:32:58 The reason is you want to get used to using graph, G-R-A-F because you might put it like... You might be doing some copy editing and you put a little line in there. And then you would make a little mark and say new graph, G-R-A-F It's purposely misspelled because then if somebody actually writes into the copy new graph... Ah okay I gotcha! ...it stands out cause its misspelled. Gotcha So it's to prevent stupid crap from going into the copy, like the word L-E-D-E as opposed to L-E-A-D which would go in there and then you have this stupid word in there. Got it! So that's why... Thank you. Okay now you know and that's the reason is not from some cynical reason you implied Wait another tip from The No Agenda Show It's another tip people should know this every once in a while somebody will write me a note saying I think in your first graph and they spelled it that way G-R-A-F

2:33:51 member of the club. Yes, yes, member of the academy that's right I love your work man so here they come out again she says you opened opportunities for Trump then they do a standalone graph and it's one sentence is all by itself than to go to another graph and this one says Mr. Trump's team did not respond to request for comment What is that in there for? Just to connect her to Trump. Hello! No, it's in there to show that they're not interested in her she's a lowlife sleazeball Oh well there's that This was put in there for a reason It wasn't in... We tried to... Now you can argue Here's what the argument would be Oh my editor wanted me to call Trump To verify that they were interested in her She never said they were interested in her She said she was interested in them There's no reason to call them Right, of course not

2:34:44 But they did anyway, or yeah they did anyway so they could just slam her. This is a hit piece it's one of the worst I've read and it's shameful who's the writer? It's dangerous! It's dangerous to almost call him to hurt get Jonah Engel Bromwich what the hell's this who's who is Jonah? I don't know who Jonah is but he writes on The Media And also, anyway this piece is overwritten for one thing. But it's a hit piece! It's uncalled for! Uncalled for and the only reason was because she's a right-wing girl oh heaven forbid we have any of these people expressing their opinions enough enough enough I like her she's grown on me for sure well speaking of Trevor Noah... Sanctimoniously smug

2:35:30 Yes, the sanctimoniously smug Trevor Noah who I presume he's on an o1 visa here in the United States He's from South. Yeah, so oh one is if you have special talent yeah, but I'm sure he's not a citizen So he may have a green card at this point But it probably has no one he'd been doing the show how long how many years 1 year 2 years now? He's probably a resident as a green card but His sanctimoniously smug explanation of what is wrong with the electoral college is something we need to share. The whole clip is much longer, but I took out a- just to give you a little taste... Just a little taste. A little taste of what it's like with Trev. The holidays are right around the corner and because Donald Trump is gonna be president Santa can't come to America anymore because he's a flying immigrant with a beard

2:36:21 And it's still hard to get used to the fact that Donald Trump will be president, especially because he lost by two and a half million votes. You already got love how it starts off? Yeah with the yeah and of course those 2 1⁄2 million votes all come from California. And by the way Trevor Noah should be kissing Tommy Lahrens ass because that he's finally on the map He's finally on the map Skewered, roasted slammed. Huge ratings on the show so he should be happy but then we got a huge rating so people tuned in to see her yeah it was like I think it was triple the ratings or something wow that's impactful that wasn't mentioned in New York Times article that I can see

2:37:12 No, maybe I overlooked it. Yeah All right back to mr Sanctimoniously smug about the electoral college and as we know of course Donald Trump didn't actually win You know because he lost the election It's still hard It's so hard to get used for the fact that Donald Trump will be president especially Because he lost by two and a half million votes But then he won the Electoral College which is all that matters It's almost like being in a relationship. You know how in relationships, quality time matters more than the quantity of time? Like you'll get into fights like why are you so angry I hung out with you all weekend! She'd be like yeah but you spent hours sleeping! Be like it was night and then all of a sudden it doesn't count and if you're like me you probably thought that on election day Americans were going to the polls to elect their presidents

2:38:05 But if you did vote, your vote didn't go to Clinton or Trump or the best third-party candidate out there Harambe. He may be dead my friends but at least he knows where Aleppo is When people voted, they were actually voting for electors who are basically a bunch of locally appointed representatives who then vote on your behalf. Which again makes no sense to me! Do you understand how weird that is? That's like going to a deli but for some reason you can't order for yourself. You're just there at the counter like hey uh can I have a sandwich and then there's some guy whose like whoa whoa whoa I got this Hey can he have a sandwich? It's a blob of duck pastry

2:38:46 So that means it's like going to a restaurant, sitting down and telling the waiter what you want to get. Yes his reasoning is flawed I just find very interesting that he's excoriating our system but with really dumb arguments Hey can we have a sandwich? It's a bizarre, bizarre twist on an already bizarre system. Because there are two ways to pick a president. There is giving it to the person with the most votes commonly known as democracy... Uh, which we don't have. We are a federal republic!

2:39:24 And then there's how America does it. Now, if that sounded confusing that's because it f***ing is! The person with more votes should win. Wait hold on a second... That sounded confusing? No I'm sorry I cut out a whole bunch of uh.. Okay Yeah I'm sorry It sounded more apparent or less apparent when I put it together He put a bunch of clips together people saying well that shouldn't happen in the democracy but I wanted to shorten the clip Democracy is the person with more votes should win. This is a weird system because no other country decides elections this way, it's even weird in America you understand that? You don't elect mayors like this in America you don't elect governors like this you don't even elect idols like this! The presidency is the only office where for some reason you don't trust the popular vote and by the way its not about Trump you know this system is broken because the person with more votes lost in two of the last five elections

2:40:21 That's 40%. 40%! If a plumber told me that every time I flushed my toilets, there'd be a 40% chance s*** would spray back at me. I'd be like maybe I need a new toilet but America is like i've had this toilet for 200 years I'll be fine I'll be fine You know this by the way? I'm not offended by it but its racist what he's doing here Are you doing a white man? Is that what you're doing, a white man who flushes the toilet and shit sprays in your face. is that-is that-is that the joke Trevor Noah seriously is-is that how low you have to go an audience you're hysterically laughing about this but America's like I've had this toilet for 200 years I'll be fine I'll be fine Trump! Oh oh that was horrible all right next election

2:41:12 And he just goes on. So comparing the electoral college to a shit-spewing toilet, thanks! What arrogance. DOOSH BANGS! Just total douche. Unbelievable. Oh! Sanctimoniously Smug... Just when you thought they couldn't come up with more ways to make Donald Trump sound like an A-hole and unprepared— I mean, he's not prepared we know this John. This is fact right? In a post fact world we know the fact is The factor of the matter at the end of the day Fact check right. Is it fact check false? It would be fact check true! At the end of the day, you know he doesn't want his security briefing and give a crap and listen to anybody and this is going to ruin the whole inauguration according to Chris Matthews of MSNBC. You know Ted speaking show business you know it used to me when guys got elected president they were all guys still are I guess

2:42:11 They used to practice dancing because the inaugural event, you have to go all the balls five or seven of them whatever and you have to dance in front of everybody. That's always hard even at a wedding especially at a wedding if they dance in front of a bunch of people when I'm my generation grew up with basically You don't get a drinker too before you go dancing. You don't exactly learn to dance now here you got Donald Trump I don't know if he can dance or not. Certainly the last two presidents couldn't, W would come out to do this sort of idiotic two step it was ridiculous and pretended to dance and did it And I have to say Barack Obama who I generally support came out there and did something like the Freddy. I don't think that was even a dance. I don't know what it was It was another one-step thing just for the cameras Apologies for the audio But you get the idea and they went on for four minutes arguing whether he could dance or not

2:42:57 And by the end, well hold on. It was a time killer what was the point of this? And it's sexist! It's sexist Did Hillary know how to dance? Did Michelle know how to dance? It is sexist Sexist, sexist Good catch Well excuse me princess Yeah sexist Sexist pig Oh, a happy note came to me. You know we rag on the Candanavians sometimes because you know I have the feeling that they're better than we are Oh, they always think that. Yeah. Police department in Canada has officially apologized to Nickelback for threatening to make drunk drivers listen to their songs! I'll clap for Canada on that one. That's great. Put the headphones on and crank up Nickelback you're not gonna win. All right let's talk a little bit about some bigger stories. In fact they have a gay...

2:43:59 And gay and I'm gay and gay and Chachak on chichicago. Yes giant each con what you got We talked a little bit about this. This is John Kerry Lavrov fiasco, and it'd be part one but we talked about they did some sort of deal supposedly... It was during the last show. They had like some secret talks or something? They had some talks and then they agreed on a paper that was submitted we're gonna do this way and somebody said well gee this is kind what the Russians wanted to do and so we end up with this kind of story that evolves from this

2:44:35 It reminds me, by the way when you hear this clip it reminds you of the way Obama does business. If you remember a couple years ago Obama did a deal with Boehner when Boehner was running in Congress. Yeah? This is the golf course deal? It's one of these deals where they agreed on something that had to do with the budget or something like that And Boehner took it to his people because we were ready to go and he got everyone to agree on something. Then Obama reneged at the last minute. I think it's reneged? It's not reneged? No! Well, he reneged... You're racist! Oh, I'm not racist! He said reneged that's racist! I guess so. So Obama backed out of the deal at the last minute an embarrassed Boehner

2:45:30 Yes, and you know and Baynard there's a whole frontline on this by the way The entire front line on this and Boehner was bent out of shape and never would trust Obama again because it was a humiliation of some sort. I think that's what he does, And i think that is what happened here. Play part one We the public are now left guessing What happened to the proposal that Secretary Kerry put forward last week which according to the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov Would ensure the withdrawal of all militants from Eastern Aleppo Foreign Minister Lavrov said that proposal was in line with Russia's view of the way to move forward, that it would lead to the establishment of normal life in a war-torn city. Secretary Kerry and the State Department have not publicly commented on the proposal except to say that technical talks were coming up. These will be technical meetings to follow up on what we discussed today but uh... We will then see each other again next week at the OSCEs I'm sorry to interrupt What do you think a technical meeting is? They talk about

2:46:29 you know, JavaScript and Pearl. That's it by the nuts and bolts of how many people can we get in? We do we're going to do this minute. You're going to that man is details. OK, so there's a quick follow up. This was last week this Tuesday for Minister Lavrov said the U.S. suddenly pulled its proposal. Considering the negotiations on Aleppo, they're like something out of a mystery novel. On December 2nd John Kerry asked me to support a particular document passed onto us by the Americans The document is in line with our stance The next day we make a public announcement and suggest arranging meeting with the Americans Yesterday, we suddenly received a message from them saying they're not able to meet tomorrow because they've changed their minds. They revoked the document and now they have a new one which seems to bring everything back to square one once again buying time for militants so that can replenish their supplies I went to ask the State Department what happened to the talks into this reported proposal

2:47:22 here. I'm getting too much into the details or the substance. We're just not at a point yet where we can say that getting together to have these talks would be constructive when we get there, will do it and I'm not trying I'm not trying to be mysterious. I'm just saying, I'm not going to get in the substance of our diplomatic discussions. Epic fail! Okay nice. Unbelievable yeah by the way i'm looking it up both words are in play reneged and reneged they're both the same they have the same meaning reneged and reneged yep

2:48:24 I would say we have to remove this word from the... Oh yeah, you're right. We can't be running around saying reneged about the black president racist Well there you have it The chat room exploded because i didn't know that reneged was one version of the word It was funny Thank you chat rooms for giving it to him Calls me out Alright, so this deal is like obviously... and Kerry wrote it up. And it was all ready to go and so I guess Kerry's just a stooge. Duh!

2:49:02 I guess, I'm dumb not to know this. But let's play the second part and we figured out it turns out to be Susan Rice and all these little Samantha Powers ankle biters yes a minute the powers department is tight-lipped about the dynamics inside the administration i asked its spokesman mark toner to comment on for minister Lavrov suggestions that they are There are, quote-unquote, apparently plenty of those who wanted to undermine John Kerry's practical steps," he said. But Mr. Toner refused to weigh in on that. It should be noted this Monday the U.S. pushed a ceasefire resolution through the UN which Russia vetoed citing a pending agreement between Foreign Minister Lavrov and Secretary Kerry. One has to wonder what happened to that agreement? Who did not agree with whom perhaps inside the Obama administration?

2:49:53 We asked former CIA and State Department employee Larry Johnson why an agreement with Russia remains just out of reach. I have no doubt that Secretary Kerry, if he talked about it—I think he was sincere in trying to demonstrate the—the problem he faces is he's not—doesn't really have the full clout and weight of President Obama behind him. There are others in the Obama administration which have opposed that kind of approach and see that as a sign of weakness. So, I think again it just reflects of Barack Obama's presidency. And this goes to the point that, you know, Samantha Power is close with Susan Rice and close with Ben Rhodes so they reflect sort of one camp within the Obama administration

2:50:41 John Kerry reflects another camp. There's also, they have the strong backing of my former organization it would appear, the CIA in terms of wanting to continue to support the rebels but the unfortunate reality is that those rebels tend by and large to be radical Islamists, very terrorists that the entire war on terror that started 15 years ago was supposed to defeat Right. I think they're making a huge mistake right now from what I understand, we are currently not resupplying the rebels and they're begging for stuff and you know what's going to happen is Turkey is in there and they're gonna come in and say hey how about all this groovy gear? And go shoot these guys! You know... The Kurds! Yes, it could be something like that. Huge mistakes being made

2:51:32 But I think also that if you're going to go back, let's go back to the early theory or thesis that ISIS and ISIL and Daesh whatever you want to call them advertising are really a creation of the CIA. Correct And Mossad. That's why...and i don't believe if that's true that Kerry was ever read in on this Oh, okay. So he's just out there making deals and everyone is laughing at him? Yeah! Everyone back at home... you know the Susan Rice's powers in the CIA itself according to that CIA guy. They go, jeez we gotta stop this guy. He's screwing things up. We have a master plan. That's the only thing they could be.

2:52:20 So, anyway... Well we're not doing a very good job right now with all that. No it's a mess! It really is. Less than 10 minutes to go! Ah yes. Okay? Alright okay. Ten minute warning President Obama did his I guess what will be his big final send-off speech the big one The big one with lots of echo on his voice He asserted some interesting claims We've launched a global engagement center To empower voices that are countering ISIL's perversion of Islam and we're working closely with Muslim majority partners from the Gulf to Southeast Asia. This is your work, we should take great pride in the progress that we've made over the last eight years That's the bottom line No foreign terrorist organization

2:53:05 has successfully planned and executed an attack on our homeland. Fact check false. Hello? What was that what he says in the past but back data play it again all right and he's talking about the past wait so he said denying a Pearl Harbor no no past eight years John during his president over the past eight this is this is his uh legacy tour Okay, so the past eight or during his watch nothing's happened. So in other words these little incidents that took place in Times Square and Santa Barbara and The crazy stuff that went down in Texas And then was just those are lone wolves I don't understand how he can assert this claim well Let's play it again We should take great pride in the progress that we've made over the last eight years That's the bottom line

2:54:00 No foreign terrorist organization has successfully planned and executed an attack on our homeland. Ah Thanks, Obama Uh-huh I think that's uh That's you don't think he can claim that honestly But then you get there Orlando shooting you have I mean you I think you can claim it well Maybe if you say because he says foreign I guess but now I don't know Yeah, and these guys are just low. I'm sure he's got it all locked up legally there was one other thing that is legally it's not an illegal thing to say no well you know what I mean question came up at the White House spokeshole press briefing And I have found out that indeed if use you can set up audacity for Josh Earnest specifically What you want to do is set the values to 0.3 seconds of silence

2:54:57 and then you want it to set at around 40 dB. And that way, it will automatically strip out every long silence the guy leaves whenever he's answering a question because this clip was six minutes long I'm not kidding down to a minute and a half including the question The president yesterday in his remarks talked about Fontanville, the prison hundreds of millions being spent to keep 59 guys there and flatten our national conscience. But he stopped short of saying that he's actually going to shut the place down before it leaves. Was this a final sort of coming-to-terms with the fact that the prison is going to stay open after he leaves office? Mr. Earnest Well listen we have been deeply dismayed at the obstacles that Congress has erected

2:55:46 to prison. Isn't this great? He sounds like a robot now, if you just cut out all those silences he's like a robot. ...progress on this significant national security priority Democratic and Republican national security experts strongly support the president's position that closing the prison at Guantanamo Bay would save taxpayer dollars and make the country safer A variety of military leaders have reached that conclusion Even President George W. Bush, who has different views on foreign policy than President Obama." Well I won't keep it going on but he of course did not just address the elephant in the room which is this... Boom! He must be sorry couldn't you just do that by executive order? He keeps blaming Republicans

2:56:36 He could do it, probably could. But he keeps blaming Republicans? Sure he is because he doesn't want to close the base somebody put a gun to his head Oh okay well there you go Alrighty I have a whole bunch of Obamacare stuff which i'm gonna move over to Sunday Okay I'll have a little mini report which is quite telling and funny And the only other thing, we should do one or two more clips. I have a Jill Stein talking about hacking of the voting machines. No let's talk about the Pentagon report. I think that is more interesting than listening to her whine. Oh the Pentagon you mean? Well I have a leading clip for that actually.

2:57:17 Here is the leading clip. Pentagon covering up some wasteful spending, The Washington Post reporting a Defense Department study issued in January of 2015 identified a clear path to save $125 billion over five years But the Pentagon buried the findings because of worries the report would give Congress an excuse to slash defense spending. The report called on streamlining the bureaucracy through early retirements or cutting down on using contractors and making better use of information technology It revealed the Pentagon was spending a quarter of its 580 billion dollar budget on overhead and operations

2:57:57 That's kind of... Howard Baetjer It is a shallow report of the day. It's not a bad one because it leads into this discussion, which I clipped deeper into the discussion past the backgrounder on the PBS NewsHour and I thought was quite interesting. Okay. Is this Pentagon Report 1? I gather there wasn't a great deal of cooperation across the board, but they did come back with a report and what did it find? Well what they found was pretty striking. This is kind of hard for most folks to understand but the Pentagon actually up till then had no idea how many contractors actually worked for it

2:58:35 So, they were trying to figure out how many people work in its business operations. And they found that more than 1 million people worked in these core business operations—like you said, health care management, human resources, property management—things that any organization needs. But even for the Pentagon, one million is a lot of people. These are essentially desk jobs. And that compares to only 1.3 million active-duty troops So the back end of the Pentagon was almost as big as, you know, the tip of this spear so to speak. So Secretary Work number two man at the Pentagon when he and others saw this report what did they do?

2:59:15 Well, they had touted this in advance saying this was going to be really important and that they had asked these private sector executives to help them make sure that the report didn't gather dust and that they would pass all—or adopt these recommendations. But when the numbers came back much bigger than they thought—and their recommendation was that they could save $125 billion over five years You know, effectively they buried and killed the study. The data that had been collected internally for the first time to pinpoint how many people worked in these jobs was kept secret. It's still classified and confidential. We worked hard for months to get our hands on it. We were unable to. And I was working with Bob Woodward—my colleague here at the Post who is pretty good at that stuff—to this day they've kept that data confidential.

3:00:03 When and if appropriate, I have an interesting C-SPAN clip of General John Keane about the Pentagon issue. So you just let me know if... Well you can play it right after this part two which is that we're going to mention this that we have to remember the Pentagon has never been audited. Nope! They keep making them as they keep saying oh you know we can't do it because the coal ball doesn't work with the with this report gathering RPG or whatever the thing these other crazy programs are, the old gear we have to put in all new computers. I mean the whole thing is bullcrap and you can audit section by section... And September 10th 2001 Donald Rumsfeld at a press conference offhandedly said yeah there's two trillion dollars missing from the books Yeah this thing is a Pentagon is a scam!

3:01:03 Yes. All right, report two? Yeah two. in terms of future appropriations. That's right, there is a political calculation they were worried that members of Congress would say look you've been asking us for more money you've been saying the troops need more money you need more funds for ships and tanks and airplanes but look your own report your own data show that you could save 125 billion dollars why are you asking us for more so they were worried congress would cut

3:01:45 the budget instead of giving them more. So, you know that's when they decided this was not something they wanted to act on and that they wanted to keep it quiet. So Craig Whitlock what is the fallout from this today? How is the Pentagon dealing with this disclosure? Well I think the Pentagon's...you know..it's very uncomfortable for them They don't dispute the numbers here They don't dispute there are a million people working in their back office jobs They don't dispute that this study found they could save that much money Uh....They do say it would take more time Maybe it wasn't practical to do this so quickly. But what they're feeling today is some pressure from Congress, members of Congress, members of the Armed Services Committees are saying at a minimum the Pentagon owes it to the American public to release this data showing how all this money could be saved and I think the Pentagon's concerned they want to see how

3:02:32 President-elect Trump reacts. Here's a guy who campaigned on a platform for a major military buildup and he said he would pay for it by cutting waste and abuse in the military budget. Oh, then I don't want to play my clip until you play your third one. I think that fits perfectly My third one is about the Boeing 747 that they want to build for Trump. Right, which is why it leads right beautifully out of this... And just play Clip 3 right now. Speaking of the president-elect and speaking of Pentagon spending separately from all this The president elect today tweeted and then talked to the press and we showed this just a moment ago

3:03:11 that he's upset about how much, he says it's going to the Boeing era. The Boeing company is going to be charging to build two new Air Force Ones a we know there are two of these airplanes that carry the president around what do we know for a fact from Boeing? That that's how much these planes are now supposed to cost Well, you know he's actually pretty close on that Donald Trump when he says four billion. Now that's over the whole program that's the cost of developing and designing these airplanes and to build and to buy them Boeing doesn't have all those contracts yet but it really is the inside track its only company the Pentagon has been dealing with two work on this but over the next several years a pentagon has projected or set aside

3:03:58 $3.9 billion for these two airplanes. Now, one reason it costs so much is that these aren't just Boeing 747 passenger planes. They have to be equipped as essentially an airborne command center for the commander-in-chief. He has to be able to issue orders in case of nuclear war, has to have anti-missile defenses, electromagnetic defenses. So these are pretty fancy, essentially war planes and command centers. That said, you know President-elect Trump is saying do we need to be spending that much on them? And very quickly Craig Whitlock Is it believed that Boeing will now hold the cost down as a result of the president elect's comments

3:04:37 Well, I think it's fair to say it is making a lot of people at Boeing and the Air Force squirm a bit. Now they're going you know they've already had some scrutiny from Congress on this program but they know now there's gonna be a new commander-in-chief who symbolically one of the first things he has done to point out alleged Pentagon wastes pointed this program so I think they are gonna go back to the drawing board and their gonna have to justify the projections Donald Trump is one smart mofo boy I tell ya So smart. This is, you know... Here's the reaction I get around me. Oh yeah! Yeah screw that! Yeah save our tax dollars Trump! That's exactly- Well those planes are pretty pricey. I mean a Boeing 747 which is overpriced at about $325 to 350 million dollars. Yeah 350 is about the number for passenger. You're adding

3:05:30 You're adding over a billion dollars, a billion and a half dollar. Well see it's going to be four billion so it's at least a billion and a half dollars over it costs. I think two billion considering there are two of them and all that. Two billion is probably right but that's not what this is about. No I understand that but I'm just saying that it was so obvious you can make these comments about this four-billion dollar deal well when you know it wouldn't be 4 billion anyway before 8 But here was the real message that Trump sent with this. He said, if it's too expensive and they don't want to lower the numbers we'll just make do with what we have very important message and that was his intent Hey you know we're going to be frugal We're not gonna... You know we will just say this plane is fine I kicked tires It's okay Very smart move because people aren't watching the news anymore

3:06:25 And they're certainly not watching C-SPAN. If you want to hear the vastness of the Pentagon, here is... and he was brought in for a reason. He's former, he's retired Chief of Staff General John Keene and he's brought in for a reason that's how I can't...I don't know who brought him into this particular...and it's the Armed Services Committee at this particular hearing but here's what he had to say about the DOD business side of the house Certainly, we are the best fighting force in the world. We're first rate at that but we're absolutely third rate at running the business-like functions of DOD because we're not good at it. We don't know enough to be good at it. We're managing huge real estate portfolios. We're managing huge lodging capabilities. We're one of the biggest motel owners in United States. We're managing the largest healthcare enterprise in the world

3:07:15 The amount of maintenance that we're doing from a pistol to an aircraft carrier is staggering. Those are all business functions, business functions! They're all non-core functions and we're also managing new product design and new product development using business terms And we don't do well at this...and there's a tonne of money involved in it We gotta get after that money and we got to do better at it. And I think we should bring in as a number two guy in the Department of Defense, CEO from a Fortune 500 company last five years that's done a major turnaround of a large organization. We need business people help us do this. We need a CFO not a comptroller in DOD. There you go! Bring in the CFO

3:08:04 I think that's absolutely correct. He nails it, yeah! I've heard his name but have no idea what his deal is but i like that. Alright. I do want to say I hit the 10 minute warning on time and we still went over so don't yell at me. Alright everybody, Groovalicious just remember when the apocalypse hits hams are gonna save the world right? That's all you gotta remember Alright, Jean-Claude. Lovely. Looking forward to Sunday Anything I should be watching or we just good? Uh Warriors Oh yeah Okay We'll do that then Coming to you from the crackpot condo here in the skyscraper in downtown Austin Texas It is the capital of the drone star state if your looking for it on a map its FEMA region 6

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