1:24:57 17 minutes on this particular topic or not, but she leads in and remember Trump was quoting on a hypothetical, which she edited the hypothetical context out in the piece she is about to play. Of course she doesn't start with the context of the question and how he answered it first which was appropriate saying hey this is going to be an important election whoever gets in is gonna get that final judge vote and that could change how uh the abortion law's run in America which is not abnormal for a Republican candidate to say But that's a little different than he talked about how he is going to punish women once he's president and changes the law, which is not his change to make. And I will stop at the first edit because there were three where she edited out most of the context of this hypothetical
1:25:49 Should the woman be punished for having an abortion? Look, this is not something you can dodge. If you say that abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under the law. Should abortion be punished? Well people in certain parts of the Republican Party and conservative Republicans would say yes they should be punished How about you I would say that its a very serious problem And thats a problem we have to decide on is it's very hard to say well wait are you gonna say put them in jail? Is that what I'm asking? Notice Trump is actually asking him Are you saying we're going to put him in jail? You're gonna say, put them in jail. Is that what I'm asking you because you say you want a bandit. What's that mean? I am against...I am pro-life yes How do you ban abortion how do you actually do it well you know you'll go back to a Here is where Trump messes up a bit because what he wants to say is that may not be such a good idea to ban it because then women would resort to coat hanger shops That's what he's saying but He screws it up and comes out wrong
1:26:49 to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places. At this point, John would you agree that he is refuting what Matthews is saying? He's handling it well yeah like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places yeah but you have to ban it I'm gonna go to somebody who flunked out of medical school. Again this is hypothetical now yes i think how do you feel about the catholic church's position? I accept the teaching authority of my church or more issues. But do you know their position on abortion? Yes I do and... Do you concur with that position? I concur with their moral position but legally, here's my problem No no let me ask you what do you say about your church it's really not funny thing What do you say about your church they're very very strong. The churches make their moral judgments but you running for president of United States will be chief executive in United States! Do you believe in punishment for abortion yes or no as a principle? The answer is that
1:27:47 There has to be some form of punishment for the woman. Yeah, it has to be some form 10 That I don't know Everything else frankly I do take positions and everything else It's a very complicated position tell me what what you didn't hear was the crafty edit between Trump's answer and Matthew said any then it jumps in saying Do you believe women should be punished? They took out his follow-on, which is a 43 seconds where he continues badgering Matthews about his religion. And I understand exactly what he was trying to do but he was doing a hypothetical What he wanted Matthews to say was yes i'm a devout Catholic Yes the catholic church if it can sit against abortion considers it murder
1:28:36 And Trump was trying to get him to say, so what is the punishment the Catholic Church hands out? Hail Marys or what is it. That was what he was trying to say thereby saying you know yeah if its law and you break the law there has to be punishment So what is the right punishment well how does the Catholic church handle that What is your idea Chris Matthews That was taken out here's where he continues to badger him But you said bluntly your pro-life meaning you want a badge The Catholic Church is my religion. No, I am talking about your religion your religion. I mean you say you're a very good Catholic I'm asking you what should a woman face? Even says I'm not gonna play that game with you Chris Matthews You didn't see this on the Rachel Maddow piece no
1:29:30 Okay, so that's where we came back in. All that peace was removed where Trump was clearly trying to say, yeah maybe we should do the same as the Catholic Church. You know it's not what it is actually being quite friendly I think if the law is like you should be punished then let's make it not a punishment that's too big now we go back
1:30:14 to the Maddo piece. This is where she picks it up and there's another edit coming up I am pro-life, i have not determined what the punishment would be Why not? Because I haven't determined When you decide to be pro life You should've thought of it because No, you could ask anybody who thinks they're pro life Here's my problem with this If you don't have a punishment for abortion And I don't believe in it Of course People are going to find a way To have an abortion You don't believe in what? I don't believe in punishing anybody For having an abortion Okay fine okay That's fine And I think It's a woman's choice So your against The teachings of your church I have a view and moral. I'm sorry, this is actually the piece that the edit was so small This is the piece that was also not in there Indian to you obviously view but I believe we live in a free country And I don't want to live in a country So fascistic they can stop a person from making that decision But then it would be so invasive but I've heard of a society That I wouldn't be on with familiar with at Donald Trump You wouldn't be familiar what I said speaking so highly
1:31:06 about your religion and your church. Your church is very, very strongly as you know pro-life. What do you say to your church? I say I accept your moral authority in the United States that people make the decisions the courts rule on what's in the Constitution and we live by that That's what I said. But you don't live by it because you don't accept it, and you can't accept it! You can't accept it! Can we go back to matters of the law and running for president? Because matters in the law are what I'm talking about And this is a difficult situation that you placed yourself in By saying your pro-life you mean you want to ban abortion So you hear Trump moving on the whole concept of this hypothetical, which he just doesn't... He's not able to get Matthews to commit to it. Although I think the intent was clear again that's nothing- Matthews won't bite! No but we didn't hear that We never saw that Now she winds it down What does that mean? I am pro life with exceptions. I'm sorry already had that piece now now we go to the oh here's the Matthews
1:32:06 Rachel's summary is coming up. Here we go I have not determined what the punishment would be Why not? Because i haven't determined it By saying you're pro-life, you mean... That was it! I'm sorry, I played him in the wrong order Did you see that whole piece that I just played? That was knocked out after nine seconds in this piece So that whole piece you just heard was NOT In It Hears How It Aired What does that mean?! With exceptions, I am pro life I have not determined what the punishment would be Why not!? Because I haven't determined it. By saying you're pro-life, you mean you want to ban abortion? How do you ban abortion without some kind of sanction? Then you get into that very tricky question about sanctions... A fine on human life which you call murder? It'll have to be determined. A fine for imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant? It will have to be determined!
1:32:49 Donald Trump in that remarkable exchange with Chris Matthews there. That happened just here on MSNBC, Mr. Trump the Republican frontrunner pontificating on how he would punish women who might dare to try to have an abortion in this country something which he would try to ban if you were president of the United States I did not hear him say that Did you? No, it was a very good job on- this was a hit job. A hit job and now! But wait... Here comes the best part First I'm gonna play you the last 36 seconds of the actual interview we didn't see Then you get into that very tricky question with sanctioned fine on human life which you call murder It'll have to be determined A fine imprisonment for young woman who finds- Ah crap, I'm sorry little confused it was late last night