No Agenda 008

00:01 Well it's that time once again for the show that has no music, no commercials, no jingles, no talent and no agenda. I'm Adam Curry in the Curry Manor in Guilford. And I'm John C. Dvorak out here in the middle of nowhere, Northern California. It is Saturday, Saturday evening. It's really cold here in the UK. It's like I think it's actually a little bit below zero right now. So how's it out there in California, John? Well, the sun's out, but it's foggy. It's just slightly foggy. And it's actually chilly here, too. It was, I think, as low as 35 Fahrenheit, yes, last night. Brr. I was just thinking, you know, you called me and said, OK, I'm up. I'm ready to do the show. And I said, all right, well, I'll call you in a couple of minutes. Let me go make a cup of tea. And then you said, yeah, I'll go make a cup of tea, too. And as I was making my tea, I was thinking, boy, aren't we the perfect married gay couple? You know, a little older guy, younger guy.

01:01 Making tea. Alright, so you promised me earlier in the week... Wait a minute, stop. You know, there's a... When you call me, by the way, I want to get into a little rant here before we go on and do anything else. You're going to rant on me? Did I do something wrong? No, when you said, are you up and about, it just triggered a thought. Because, you know, it's like up and about. Up and about what? Where does that term come from, up and about? It's like, he's out and about. Or in Canada, about. He's out and about. Well, it's kind of a polite way of saying, are you... A shortcut code for saying, are you ready to do the show?

01:43 Yeah, I know but what is it? What is the about part come from? Where does that come into the picture? I mean, how does that phrase even evolve and here's what it what thought it triggered some years ago. I got irked Listening to Carly Fiorina I give a speech and I noticed other women CEOs started to say this phrase and it's the phrase that bugs me and the phrase is by and large And by and large, da da da, by and large, and I could never tell whether it was by in large or by and large, and what does it mean, by and large?

02:19 So I heard some guy on the TV the other night saying it, one of the politicians, he says, well, by and large, blah, blah, blah. And I'm thinking, by and large, by and large, where does this phrase come from and why do people use it and what does it mean? And what is it? Is it by and large? Is it by in large? It just, I can't tell you how it got there. Doesn't it come from like old English or something? Does it? And why are we using it? Mean I just one of these I actually was gonna bring it up I think maybe I mentioned it on it's one of these things that just when I hear it I just cringe. I don't know why that it annoys me so much It's also probably a phrase that someone is implementing that you know Just to buy some time while they're thinking about what bullshit. They're gonna say next by and large. That's probably true By the way by and large There's a great

03:14 BBC program called Global Business, used to be called In Business. Peter Day hosts this. I've seen the show. I think it's, but it's radio, it's not video. I haven't seen it Maybe I'm imagining I saw it no because Peter day interviewed me about Podcasting in you know 2005 and you know it's like this one of these real old-time You know trench coat nagra carrying journalists who travels all over the world and interviews That's a good reference. Nobody's gonna get the nagra reference, but I did thank you So he has Tony Perkins as you mentioned

03:54 Fiora who was HP's CEO? Carly Fiorina. Carly Fiorina, yeah. Yeah, right. She was. So you know that whole scandal and the whole boardroom blow up and tracking cell phone records and shit and impersonating board members. It was big news here. Right, so you might want to listen to that. Really good interview. He goes pretty in-depth into all that stuff. Is he complimentary by and large? Completely by and large. When he's up and about, he by and large is quite complimentary.

04:30 So you were going to say something before I rudely interrupted you. Earlier in the week you asked me if I'd heard this Pod Save Christmas song. And I said the same thing I just said before we hit record. If every day were Christmas and you're like, no, this thing that Jonathan Colton and I don't know. I mean, this has been around for a year apparently. I don't know if I've heard it. Well, why don't you play it? But my daughter's a huge fan of this guy. Well, he is huge and he did come from I might say the the pod safe music revolution. Well, here's this pod safe Christmas song. All right, I'm gonna give this so I've not I don't think I've I certainly don't recall seeing a YouTube video But I have it lined up. You may not hear it through your headphones, but

05:15 Can you hear it? Yeah, I can hear it. It's going crazy. Ready as I'll ever be. Let's do this! Adam. Adam! Right, I'm right here! Yeah, I do remember this actually. It's well done though. Alright, I'm not gonna play the whole thing. Well, that is pretty funny. You gotta kind of see the video because you can't understand all the lyrics and they have it on screen. So, yeah, that's pretty funny. But have you heard of If Every Day Were Christmas?

06:08 I think so. Yeah, that's the you know, that was the the pod safe music We are the world where everyone everyone cut their tracks, you know at their own home studios and And then they put it all together, you know, the the whole pod safe thing is like and I think it's underappreciated It's it's interesting, you know Ron and I met in in New York and With Alan Grubman, do you know who that is? Oh, yeah So I you know, I met Alan Grubman once or twice in the MTV days. He absolutely did not remember me You should explain to the audience who he is Alan Grubman is

06:59 the music industry lawyer at the music industry law firm, which was, what is it? Grubman and Dursky Schindler, I think. Yeah, I don't know. And basically these guys have an amazing racket. They negotiate both sides of any deal with the music industry. So if you want to license music from basically their four major labels, then you do that negotiation with Grubman, Endersky, Schindler who also represent the labels. And they sit right on the fence and they basically... They sit in the middle and they negotiate on both sides. And because of that they've become incredibly... Well, they've been incredibly powerful and they represent everybody and everything that moves. It's just an amazing... It's like Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory of money in there.

07:56 And Alan Grubman is obviously one of them. He's like Denny Crane. If you ever watched... Right, everybody. Yeah, Denny Crane. I'm Denny Crane. He's Denny Crane. But Ron knows him really well because Ron, when he was going out with Princess Stephanie, and Stephanie was getting into the record business and Prince Rainier said, Said you know hey, man. You know what is this record business shit about then you know Ron bloom being as he is of course He said I'll bring some of the the top guys over and they'll tell you all about it And so he called up Alan Grubman and said you know I'm gonna take you to go see Prince Raniere so that of course is one of those small things that That gets you meetings easily in New York. They remember that shit that would I

08:41 But anyway, we basically had that conversation about Podsafe music with those guys and everyone knows that the labels are completely fucked. They have absolutely no desire to try anything new. They just want big check up front from everybody and for everything all the time. And they're just all watching it kind of go down the drain. Quite amazing. So I think you're right. This Podsafe thing is undervalued. Think it's one of those things that it will gain momentum. It just makes too much sense. It's it's pretty big already You know it's well. Yeah, I know you've got like how much stuff how many songs do you think that are just on the pod show? Well, no system. We have like 35,000 artists, and you know God knows how many tracks each artist has uploaded or label We've got some pretty big labels on there to like an orchard. They do huge huge distribution of independent music. It's good. I

09:42 And Duran Duran just showed up with one track the other day. Yeah, you remember them, don't you? From when I was a little kid. Hey John, today is Super Ship Saturday on National Geographic. What does that mean? It's the whole day all they show is super ships. Like how they built the Queen Mary 2. Oh, that could be actually kind of fun. It's amazing. It really is. That thing is three times as big as the QE2, which in turn was twice as big as the Titanic.

10:22 Yeah, I think the thing's only coming over to the US. It's coming over to the US sometime, I think it was over here recently and then it's, it doesn't visit over here that much or it's in New York or it's supposed to. I don't know, I was following it's, I wanted to get on board the thing. I think it was in San Francisco for a day. And so I got ahold of the Cunard people. I think are one of those. That's the owner, Cunard. Yeah. Yeah. I said, you know, I like to, you know, I'm a journalist, blah, blah, blah. Trying to scam. Oh no. They went on and on with the you can't come on under any circumstances because your country's homeland security won't allow it Really Mm-hmm. Oh, that's crazy. I said even with an escorted tour. I can't get an escorted tour. No, it's against the rules Thinking well, that's great good for your publicity well the reason I find it hard to believe the reason why you don't see it that often is because they and just because I watched a

11:18 most of the program before we got on the Skype. They had to make a very important design decision pretty early on. In order to make it the size that it was, it had to be wider than the Panama Canal. So it can't actually go through the Panama Canal, so it has to go around Cape Horn to do a round-the-world trip. And so that's why it does a different route than most... than was originally intended even between... It just takes longer to complete its whole journey. Hmm. That's why I don't see it. That makes sense. Yeah, but wow what an amazing You're gonna take it over over to New York one of these days, you know I would certainly want to do it Patricia is very against cruise ships and ocean liners because when she was 16 and you know her dad had a big band and she by default had to kind of go along and she was the singer and she played the marimba, I think

12:14 Should you know they spent months on cruise ships, and she really loathes it She has a real mental block about getting on a cruise ship because she's not a blamer She has the idea that she can't get off. She doesn't like that that thought you know I have the same feeling about you know they do a lot of events at trade shows then they They have once in a while somebody comes up with this crazy idea That's we're gonna do it on a boat, and you're gonna get a boat ride I mean I did the only one I did one the last one I did actually when I was writing for Forbes they take because I wanted to do this anyway But Forbes has this yacht the Highlander that they like to take, you know, they take their customers out on you know the Advertisers and I've always wanted to get a ride on and they were one day they were gonna do one of these trips and so I jumped on that and I Spent most of my time talking to the crew because the thing is fully crude all the time and it's got like a chef on board It's a little little town

13:08 And this the ride that they give these guys is one ride around Manhattan Island. It takes about 45 minutes No, but I think about an hour to do it anyway they zoom around and then they you know go around the Statue of Liberty and they come and park the thing back over and whatever wherever it is and That's a lot of stuff. But generally speaking. It's like if you're in the media and somebody wants you to Go to one of their boat trips. I just refuse to do it because I just like to get in and out of these things You know, you don't want to be stuck listening to somebody lecturing you on a boat You can't get off and I've also found that there is always a percentage of people If you have enough of them, it always pops up no matter how how big the boat how slow there's always a percentage of people who get seasick and

13:56 And it's like it's wrong. You know it's oh man I've been on really bad junkets like that really really really bad where there were just lots of people seasick, and I mean seriously and yeah Still oh, we'll be back at shore in three hours Fucking dying man, so yeah, that is a problem people get see you know I I Don't normally get seasick, but I have gotten seasick a few times and I'll tell tend to get seasick Like on a yacht or a boat or any if I go up to the front the really the very front front front part of the boat Yeah, you know where you would normally go. I'm king of the world yeah, yeah, and it just that bobbing up there's just enough to get you

14:39 And once you you know the problem with getting seasick is that if you if you start to get seasick You panic about it, and then it makes it worse, and then you do get seasick. It's like embarrassing I I've never been seasick in fact. I haven't puked in 20 years. I just refuse. I don't do it, huh? Yeah, I'm a non-pure write that down. Yeah, well our whole family is anti-pukage so talking about Traveling I was gonna try to make the transition you just blew it for me so talking about traveling I understand that your hassles have continued in your Coming in and out of the country you were telling me about and I would be interested in you because you found out new information Yes, I did. I found out that

13:56 And it's like it's wrong. You know it's oh man I've been on really bad junkets like that really really really bad where there were just lots of people seasick, and I mean seriously and yeah Still oh, we'll be back at shore in three hours Fucking dying man, so yeah, that is a problem people get see you know I I Don't normally get seasick, but I have gotten seasick a few times and I'll tell tend to get seasick Like on a yacht or a boat or any if I go up to the front the really the very front front front part of the boat Yeah, you know where you would normally go. I'm king of the world yeah, yeah, and it just that bobbing up there's just enough to get you

14:39 And once you you know the problem with getting seasick is that if you if you start to get seasick You panic about it, and then it makes it worse, and then you do get seasick. It's like embarrassing I I've never been seasick in fact. I haven't puked in 20 years. I just refuse. I don't do it, huh? Yeah, I'm a non-pure write that down. Yeah, well our whole family is anti-pukage so talking about Traveling I was gonna try to make the transition you just blew it for me so talking about traveling I understand that your hassles have continued in your Coming in and out of the country you were telling me about and I would be interested in you because you found out new information Yes, I did. I found out that

15:25 I'm on what's called a lookout list and this lookout list is automatically or maybe we would say dynamically generated from something that is relatively new about a year old called ATS, the automatic targeting system, which is imagine a Google page rank for a terrorist threat rating. So it trolls from these just hundreds of databases from federal, state, and oh yes, tribal level from DMV to IRS as a part of the Treasury Enforcement Computer System.

16:03 which is basically this big black box of information and the ATS does some kind of sequel query, I guess, and looks at what kind of different things popping up. Are there flags put in or it could be anything from parking tickets to a tax filing, I guess. And it'll just pop up a flag if it has a rating and that for me is It means automatic secondary screening, which is different at each port of entry. But apparently this system, Congress a year ago specifically said that they did not want this system to be put in place by Homeland Security.

16:48 So there's a link that I have on curry.com and also daily source code.com that goes to an ACLU page that explains more about that in some more detail for a number of reasons. One, the information will be stored for 40 years, 4-0. Two, it does not, it does not, it lives outside of the Privacy Act, so you cannot request to see your record so you can contest anything that's on it. So in other words, it could be just a bunch of BS in there and there's nothing you can do about it? Well, and this is just what I'm extrapolating from all the information I've received.

17:30 I believe that they that they're literally it's a one-way system only so you know there's somewhere there's some logic in the middle of all these databases and then there's the really the display that the Customs and Border Protection Agency sees and so my name is entered and you know it gets a couple of different flags from God knows what different things and literally when you look at what's attached to this system it's you know Believe me, I'm in there for something. There's no doubt about it. Or someone could have put something in there about me. But the middleware kind of doesn't know where it's all coming from. It just assigns a score and then says, oh, wait a minute, you should talk to this guy. That's basically it.

18:12 And I guess there's different levels of ratings. And there's no way to drill down to the information and find out where it's coming from. I mean, of course, if you built the system, of course there's a way to, but apparently there's no way for CBP to do that. And there's no way to change it. So you come into the country, American citizen I might add, you come rolling in and they slam your... No, no, so you walk through, you have those glass aisles as it were, by and large. And, uh, you put down your passport and your landing card. And, uh, you know, so then either he types in your name or swipes the... Actually, it's not a swipe. It's reading an RFID chip which is embedded in all the new passports. And this guy was... I could already see he was one of those types of guys because he had just sent the people in front of me. He said, look, this is not legible. I can't read this. This is unacceptable. Get out of here and go fill in a new one and do it properly. You know, one of those guys.

19:14 And so I put down my info. I think he does it well you know some of them are funny it's okay and you and you know it used to be John before I was on the lookout list and in fact pre pre 9-11 I would have to say I kind of enjoyed coming up to the border because it was hey welcome home Every single time they would say that. They used to say, right, they used to say, welcome home. Welcome home, Mr. Curry. And you know, you feel so good when they said that. Just saying it gives me a kind of a warm feeling. And so I haven't gotten that for a long time. Maybe sporadically, you know.

19:49 And sometimes they'll recognize me and hey man MTV guy you how's Martha crazy? So what was so you actually they get pretty ornery sometimes. What were you out of the country for you know well? Yeah, sometimes they usually ask me that usually do but anyway the guy says hey you ever have any problems get it into the country I said yeah like Every single time for the past four goes he said why would today be any different? Oh? Said there you go and I said come with me and so he gets out of his booth. I follow him He takes me to secondary which is a different a second secondary room with kind of like you know like DMV basically With chairs and a high desk, and then he hands me off not a high desk. I like the high desk. Yeah nice touch. Yeah, oh, it's very authoritative and but it's still kind of like you know there's a

20:42 It's kind of messy. It's grimy right. It's you know all kinds of shit stuck on the wall. It's style right very Soviet style and then and then you're told to sit down and you know the guys Bringing up your info, and then he says okay Adam Curry, and then yep I get and there's people there you know there's some British couple, and you know all kinds of a real mix not you know not specifically what you might expect terrorist looking folk And then you know he just starts to ask me all kinds of questions and from his questioning I can tell that he's just probing he there's there's nothing specifically That he's looking for he's just trying to figure out if I stumble over something or if I if I say something weird You know he's it's very basic interrogation tactics, and you know hey you didn't put the address of your hotel you just put Palace Hotel and

21:35 I said, oh well hold on so I pull out my phone and I look at the agenda. So it's a 455 Madison He says is that a phone? What's the what's the number? Yeah, so I give him the number, you know He's like you got a business card. I was prepared for this one, you know, so I yes Well here it is. You already have a couple you can add this to your collection But you know, so he's asking these questions and he's writing it down with a ballpoint pen on a piece of paper Like, you know on a form or anything is seeing so I know it goes in the can after you've done exactly It's so it's total horses. Okay, sit down. All right, so sit down And then a little while later, okay, and he's written on my, you know, you can go, and he's written on my boarding card ENF, which I guess stands for Enforce or whatever. And so I get my bag, which has been twirling around for 30 minutes now.

22:21 all lonely. And then you still have to go through and hand off your landing card slash customs form, and of course, there immediately it's like, okay, go over to that line behind the glass. And then I get another guy assigned to me and he goes through exactly the same questions while he's going through my luggage. But I mean like opening up envelopes, you know, looking at addresses, checking, you know, just the general... and continuously asking questions. And this first guy was kind of funny. It was sad actually. He really was getting nowhere with me and he started to stutter and it got really, really bad. And he just couldn't ask the questions anymore. I'm like, oh man, I don't want to crack up. This is going to be fucked up. And luckily he called over one of his colleagues and said, I've got to go over there. You take over the secondary.

23:15 And then this guy started asking the same questions, you know, and then empty out your pockets and just fishing around for stuff. And then finally it's like, okay, you can go. So in all about an hour and a half. Well, that's a waste of time. It's a waste of the government's money as a matter of fact. But let's go over this. You said that the last time you went through this process they weren't going through your bags or they did some superficial thing. Are they going through your bags more now? I think it depends on... because this has happened to me now at three airports in Chicago. There, I was met right at the jetway.

23:54 But the guy knew me like MTV guy knew me and so we were met at the jetway. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah You mean you're coming off the plane. There's just guys waiting to grab you. Yeah like absolutely and I could tell they're waiting for me because they made one of those announcements ladies and gentlemen, please have your passports out because the TSA will be looking at your passports as you come as you exit the jetway and So I had my passport out and then you know I showed it to one of the agents female agent She said yep. This is one curry, and then there was another guy He took my passport, and and I was like oh cool, man. I'm getting like VIP treatment You know I'm walking through all the lines. This is your first experience. Yeah. I'm walking through all the lines. Oh, that's hilarious No, this is awesome, and and then he takes me he says go ahead go get your go get your luggage and

24:45 And so he's asking me questions, you know, but pretty harmless. He clearly knew who I was and you know, he made his assessment pretty early and then he said, okay now you can go and then he actually I was in the terminal building. I had passed through the sliding doors and he said Adam, Adam, Adam, dude, I'm sorry, but I'm required to look through your bag. So you got to come back. And so I went back, you know, like he had, like someone had told him off or something. And so, you know, I had to go back through the doors and he didn't really do a wholehearted search, but he went through the motions of opening stuff up. And then it happened twice in San Francisco. And I think it's really the resources because at Liberty Airport in Newark, you know, they've got a pretty big staff, you know, it's well equipped. San Francisco is much smaller and Chicago,

25:38 I think you know I just got a different it that may be maybe really fucked up But just because the guy knew me I kind of got a semi semi secondary treatment by and large by and large hmm, so this is an interesting Developing story I have to say the you you versus the TSA Well, and it's well. It's actually Homeland Security TSA has very little to do with it. Okay, you're right I'm sorry that TSA has got nothing to do with it. It's the customs and immigration people Yeah, it's CBP so it's Customs and Border Protection Agency right who are a division of Homeland Security I wonder what it says on the on the computer screen that

26:19 You know that means like a pro this guy's you know rate rated number three you get really take him aside and ask him these questions Yeah, it's just a standard thing they do with everybody that comes up with that flag Yeah, I think um it's pretty low level because there's no They're not looking for anything specific that I know for sure and you know there's no Body search so maybe that's coming oh Joy oh joy I was gonna say think you're a smuggler Maybe you can't be it can't be it can't be a terrorist thing because you know why not doesn't make it Please look at yourself. You're a blonde guy well, maybe Amsterdam that maybe I think it's either smuggling I mean you lived in Amsterdam for a long time. You know I'll tell you I'll tell you When I had my old passport, I got a new one maybe a year ago and

27:16 Which could also have something to do with it, because my old one certainly didn't have the RFID chip in it. But it had all kinds of visa stamps and stuck-in paper visas for Kuwait and Iraq. That probably didn't help. If they were inputting information based upon that, you know, that's a possibility. You had a you had a Visa to Iraq yeah, I went to Iraq in 2003 for 10 days yeah, well there you go. That's the whole thing right there But it was but that'd be it maybe but I don't but that's not him that's not on this new passport Or maybe that's a system. I bet maybe they couldn't track me until then I don't know I bet you bet you bet it's in the system could be I

28:04 Could be. Or maybe just because I keep saying on my show, Skullfuck the rotting corpse of the TSA? Could that have anything to do with it? I don't think anybody from the TSA listens to this show. Let me just about that for one second. So once again, I'm leaving Newark Liberty Airport and I'm always observing the and that of course is the TSA now first of all you have that nuclear program I just can't believe that they're actually trying to get people to freely give away their retinal scan and fingerprints to the government fantastic idea and then you're clear and And then I look at these idiots total idiots who are running airport security and I literally I could see these poor saps these guys who had bought You know perfume and all kinds of nice gifts for their wives are going back home and they bought them duty-free right there at the airport and you can literally see these women and

28:58 Going on. Sorry. No, that's see that's a hundred and ten milliliters You can't take that on board so you're gonna have to you know dispose of that here like she how they're taking that home with them and It's why are there no journalists? signing up to become TSA and Reporting on it because I have to believe these people are the same idiots who were doing airport security 15 years ago before you know when when we were laughing about them then I don't know where they get these people from but they're total nincompoops. Well, you know, I think that I actually admire these folks I want everyone out there to know that I

29:42 I got nothing to do with it. By the way, I just I got nothing to do with his commentary so The reason that journal you know what I'm thinking the reason journalists won't do that and they could is that they'll end up in gitmo Okay, that's that's a good point That's enough point. Yeah, you know I mean there's one guy there was a thing on PBS or one of the stations recently some guy who went around some writer and I think he was out of Chicago, I don't remember where he was out of, I can't remember. But anyway, people out there have probably seen this. And we went out and he did kind of an expose on how insecure or unsecured our railway system is when it comes to shipping hazardous material and how somebody goes right through New York and you can put a bomb on one of these things and blow it up in the middle of the city and chlorine gas half the population.

30:35 Right, so he went over. I'm sorry report He went around with this business card and he stuck it all over these things as though they were bombs You know, but it weren't and then he wrote it up and then he got nothing but he hate mail from everybody saying you're just giving the terrorists more ideas and blah blah blah like these terrorists, you know, they're under everybody's bed communist threat of the 50s, right so on that note, you know, I'll say that indeed if everything was secured and we had this type of even at the minimum level this type of security for all of the threats, then I would buy into it that someone's actually trying to protect us. And I wouldn't mind airport security if it was done properly. You know, twice on the way out and the way back, and I tried it,

31:18 I've got a bag, you've seen this bag that I have right John? The bag, the rolling bag with everything in it. Everything in it and it's got transmitters, wireless microphones, I have hairspray of course. I've got you know tons of wires and extra batteries and all this shit and this bag never gets opened. Ever. Ever! They never open the bag and they'll look at it and they go, and they just and I'm like I I certainly have enough shit in there to do something. I'm sure I could MacGyver something together, you know So I don't know it just it just makes no sense. It's just it sounds more like you're being harassed rather than anybody really cares to find anything that's of interest. Well see I don't believe that the... Maybe you come up with an H, harass this guy again and then they have to give a score saying we want him delayed for at least an hour and a half.

32:11 Don't think so I I can really see that It's it's it's a very clear instruction that they really just don't know what to do with me And I think it's just like you know just talk to the guy and and and see what's going on They're not harassing me there. I think they're doing their job, and you know and they're doing it pretty well It's just the system is stupid and redundant you know I have to answer the same questions three times just to get out of the building, but I don't think it's I harassment It's just an inefficient system, and you know if if there's a reason for me to pop up on the screen Yeah, of course you should ask me, but I think that there should be a way to say okay We've talked to the guy. He's clear. You know let's just check him off. You know well I guess for the next 40 years coming in and out of the USA you're gonna be you don't want to travel with me No, definitely not that's That's for sure

33:06 Yeah, well whatever the case is it's I'm sure it will get more anecdotes because it's going to get funnier Over time so what you got anything in the anything on anything in the news you've seen that's interesting that yeah Yeah, I think so. I'm trying to wrap my head around it You know the only newspaper I read is the Financial Times, and I thought they they did a pretty good job of covering this But I'm still trying to extrapolate it into a conversational topic this move that all the central banks made earlier this week Did you follow that? No, okay, so I've become interested in central banks ever since I kind of found out that you know the Federal Reserve was created in 1913 with the power to print the US dollar, but that it's not a you know It's as federal as Federal Express basically that it's a yeah commercial entity and commercial banks. You know like

33:57 Oppenheimer and what are the... Everybody's in on the deal. Yeah, everyone who's in on the deal. Give me another name, another one of those, oh yeah names. By and large, please help me Anyway, so I've become interested in in central banking and how they make money and how it works and a lot of it has to do with the overnight storage of money and how you basically can keep lending out the same capital over and over again and You know so that so we've this credit crunch this credit crisis has caused a big problem in the banking world and

34:35 And so maybe I should just tell you what happened. I think was Wednesday the central banks For the first time in I think known history all Coordinated the same offer to all of the banks around the world at the same time in kind of like a cartel fashion to essentially stabilize the markets because what I think what's so you didn't hear about this John and No. Okay, so I think what is happening... I mean, here I am a writer for Market Watch and I missed this one. I don't know. I probably, you know, I may have heard about it in passing and I didn't pay much attention to it, but go on. Well, I hope I'm explaining it properly, but this has just fascinated me, you know, this credit crunch and, you know, how Northern Rock has been temporarily bailed out by UK taxpayer money, 25 billion pounds, and there's, you know... Anyway.

35:23 So I think what has happened that you know all these banks are basically trading with each other all day And I'm not talking about the stock market. I mean I'm talking about stuff like derivatives Yeah, yeah, yeah, well Let me just explain a derivative real briefly just the simplest form of swap derivative is where let's say I have five hundred thousand pounds sitting in a bank account here and John has a million dollars, and I'm looking to spend a million dollars or borrow a million dollars in the States, and it's collateral, and I'm going to be matched up by a bank, someone looking for the equal amount in pounds. And so we don't actually transfer the money, saving all kinds of foreign exchange fees, etc., but we build a... you know, we sign a contract, essentially. So that's a lot of what this is.

36:10 I think that all these banks have become really afraid that no one's you know that no one's really good for the credit You know so if there's a time to cash in and say oh wait a minute by the way I need to call that loan for half a million pounds that it was based on some shady structured investment vehicles known as you know subprime debt and And what the central bank said is they said, you know what, we're going to put up a month-long loan, $10 billion in total.

36:45 And we're going to do another one in a month after that another 10 billion, and we'll lend that to any of you guys So that you'll have really real guaranteed equity to trade against to continue trading and of course none of the band This is the interesting part none of the banks would you know be the first to take a loan from? The central bank because then it would basically be saying hey those guys are in trouble. They need money so So they came up with this brilliant plan of a blind auction, where in the auction no bank can get more than 10% of the total $10 billion being made available. And that's basically, I think, bullshit because probably only 10 banks that really need the money anyway. So everyone's going to get a billion dollars. And it's for a month, and so for a month trading can resume.

37:35 And, you know, this is a very interesting, I think a very interesting phenomenon that's taking place where, you know, something has shifted so phenomenally that for the first time in history these central banks have banded together to stabilize their system which, you know, directly doesn't really affect you or I. You know, they're running their own fucking show. So I'm guessing that during that story that you just told, five to six listeners committed suicide. Was it that boring? I'm sorry.

38:18 So, uh... Was it that boring? I'm sorry. I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, I know, because you're a rich guy that has all this money and you have to deal with its value. What are you talking about? It's about the dollar. It's about your currency, your power to buy it too. I just see the whole system as rigged. And I know there's a bunch of weird stuff that goes on in the back rooms, and it's all for somebody's benefit. uh... generally speaking it's the american public does benefit that in some long-term sense of you know at least country seems to be not falling apart completely uh... but anyway okay let me look into it so that we can we can maybe discuss this more in detail next week when i'm but more you know fuck you more great thanks john that here's this here's the story that i thought was interesting in contrast to my piece of shit story

39:13 Which was, and we have this on the blog by the way, Dvorak.org slash blog, Mitt Romney's VC firm to buy Clear Channel. Did you see this story coming up? No, no I was too busy paying attention to derivatives. I didn't realize that Romney was an associate or I guess one of the guys that runs Bain Capital. Yeah, no he's a successful dude when it comes to wealth creation. So the thinking looks like these guys are going to couple these companies you know these big these are these privatization guys right these big companies. Yeah. KKR being one of the more high profile. They're the leveraged buyout firms. Yeah. They've been buying stuff left and right all over the place. And so their plan is to buy Clear Channel. Yeah. And then what? And it's split it up after Clear Channel basically was a

40:05 Well, if you read some of the conspiracy blogs, the reason you do this is so you can start promoting Romney for president. Well, obviously there's a huge issue with the ownership, direct or indirect. There's a huge conflict of interest. That's obvious. I don't think it's a conflict of interest. Where's the conflict of interest? Romney wants to be president and he buys a bunch of various agents. Aren't there rules against that? I think all those rules have been put in abeyance years ago. Mean they let you know they were almost gonna let one company own every media outlet in one city if you when you had that crazy Powell running the the F's the FCC I don't think there's anything to prevent that I don't think it's illegal I saw on television when I was in New York that There's rumors now Bloomberg is going to join the presidential race

41:03 His name keeps cropping up, but a lot of times it keeps cropping up as a Democrat. Yeah, as a Democrat. Yeah. Isn't he a Republican? I don't know. That's what my understanding was. Maybe I'm wrong. but uh... he's you know the democrat race is falling apart i mean hillary is just started to window and nobody really wants obama in their i think i think i think part i think part of this is uh... it's fatigue man is very hard to to run a campaign for this long you know they started and i know you're right he'd say that's why i keep telling people that mccain is still in the race as the dark horse cuz it in the long race who've been to the track

41:45 Those horses that are lingering in the back, they're the ones who come when you get around that last turn, bam. Just like Ron Paul. You watch. The Ron Paul blimp is now flying, John. Well, you know, Ron Paul is going to be, again, based on my conception of everything's rigged, Ron Paul is going to be derailed by the powers that be. They're not going to let him run for president ever. It's not going to happen. I'm not that simple. You know, they'll have some dirt on him or something. I mean, they're just waiting. There's no dirt on this guy. You don't think they haven't tried? There's nothing. This guy is square and boring. Well, they're gonna... They'll do something to him then. Maybe they'll do what they did. You know, the thing that's always kind of fascinated me, and I've never heard any follow-up to this story, and everyone just says, well, the guy was nutty, so what difference does it make? It's not a true story. It's probably bull. Was when Ross Perot ran for president,

42:43 And he was like, he kept upsetting, you know, I mean it was one of the reasons Clinton got in. Because this guy is a third party candidate, was changing the, you know, the way it's supposed to work. Which is, you know, you got two parties that, you know, swap sides every once in a while. And it's, you don't want to have three parties because the system's not equipped to make it work. So, he had to get this guy out. So, he quit the presidential race, I think in his second try, he was going to do. And he says it's because he claims that some group or somebody or somebody high up in the government... He was being threatened, wasn't he? Yeah, he was threatened. Him and his family were threatened in some way by some black ops operation of some sort and that was all just you know it was kind of floated through the news system and then it came out the other end and he quit and then nobody and there was never any follow-up it was Everybody kind of reported it or assumed. It was that well the guy's nuts yeah, but he was a crackpot now He wasn't and you know what I think Huckabee is being set up in the same way. I

43:44 That could be I could be really really have much. Yeah, I could be he's got no fundraising happening It's you know he Chuck Norris thing great very cute great idea You saw that right? Yeah But otherwise, I don't know man. It just feels like a total setup, but with these campaigns being so incredibly long I think that you're gonna see all the the the the press is just gonna be looking for stuff that they can turn into nutty and You know, so that's why I like the Ron Paul blimp idea. Because they'll have nothing, you know, oh finally something else to report on. God. Yeah, well that's probably true and I do think that the campaign is too long and I think it is a long race and that's why I still think that McCain is not out of it. And he seems to be the most relaxed candidate. He doesn't, you know, he's not panicking, you know, which I think we're starting to witness with Hillary.

44:36 uh... suspicion that i was gonna happen these these early a primaries but when the first wave of primaries hits of the big wave that happens i guess in february whenever california and all the rest of them do have a big day you know one of the reasons i think people overlook i i've said this before which is one of the reasons they keep changing a lot of these the way this is done is the media itself uh... especially in california when we had a late primary we had to move it up because Because we weren't getting the media money. There's billions of dollars in these campaign coffers and it goes and those then that money goes to the TV stations and the media outlets the Newspapers and everybody this is all advertising dollars that we don't want to lose clear channel if you're not important You know because the race has already been figured out and then the primary comes to California Nobody cares who wins because it's already been won by somebody all those billions of dollars none of it comes into our people our coffers and

45:35 The whole thing is rigged. It is, but it's just rigged to everybody's advantage. Well, yeah, well the thing is that except for the public in general, we have to get stuff... How come we don't get any of that political money spent on podcasting and shit? I think they need to be... I don't know, there's probably... There probably is a sales conduit that just specializes in this sort of ad sales that we don't have anybody that knows it. One of the things you run into when you're in publishing or broadcasting or anything like that, the sales groups tend to be, and sales people move from company to company to company, and they tend to have the same shared Rolodex.

46:23 So if you're working in a tech, like with that PC Magazine for example, the sales people at PC Magazine pretty much have the same Rolodex that they've had 20 years ago in the same database and when you work there you know you also, when you work there you take. You add your couple of contacts in there and you pull out the whole database and when you go to the next company you take it with you but it still tends to be within kind of a click. If you're in broadcasting, network versus local or whatever, it's the same kind of thing. They have their, you know, the people that they've been selling to over the years and they obviously won't have the same Intel contact or AMD contact if they even have one in a broadcasting environment than they do in a magazine publishing environment. Now, that said, the contacts involved with getting money from these campaigns

47:16 Obviously I we don't have them well. I'll tell you that it wouldn't work. It wouldn't work because I know that the producers would just have a really hard time with taking political advertising Because you know it because it's not really a station right you know each show is its own show even though They're part of the pod show network, and if you get like you know a Rudy G I wouldn't want a Rudy Giuliani ad running in front of my show and Well, that's one of the problems. That's probably why you're not going to get one. Now, that said, blogs do get a lot of political ads and a lot of them run through Google AdSense. Yeah. Because I tracked this on the Dvorak.org slash blog.

48:03 Blog obviously never once in a while. In fact yesterday. I hit the blog and there's a an ad for Ann Coulter I'm going oh brother you can you can block that now you can change that can't yeah, you know you can block it But if it use the only ones I block are the ones that I find really annoying and they come up a lot Yeah, if I don't see it again. I probably won't and those are the money makers those the money makers John but the but the early what is the earliest one was it and Yeah punch the monkey So I got a letter from a kid something find it who told me because I was writing or complaining about Root you know the yeah, and I heard you I heard you talking about kids the kid that way with a part of the letter I didn't read he says is you know this is a young guy obviously says it's not punched a monkey It's slapped the monkey no. It's punched the monkey. I know but he doesn't realize that he thought it was a reference to you know You know Peter Gabriel

49:00 Don't know shot the monkey Whatever the case was it. I just thought it was amusing, but anyway the first political ad I saw on the blog ever was the McCain ads that came out right away, and now I'm just hitting the blog and there is a Brahmin II in 2008 ad And it's got to take take out and it's got a big picture of Romney who looks a little too much like treat Williams for my taste and You know, who always plays, he was the actor who always plays the good-looking evil guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. You know, I always thought Treat Williams, Treat Williams is getting a little old now, but in his heyday, he was never, he was always underutilized because he played a terrific evil businessman. I mean, it was like, it was worth watching him.

49:46 because he'd always get the girl and he was just a bad person and But the Romney has that same look which is just slightly slightly creepy. It probably doesn't matter who wins anyway They're not running the show well. Yeah, this is system the guy the guys with the boring story They're running the show anyway, so anything else No, man, we've way... Now that we've depressed the users, I mean, our listeners are like all going, God, what is with these two jerks? Okay, alright, I'll just say I'm actually very vibrant and full of life today after I look at the calendar I had not flown for two months.

50:23 And even though it's not great weather today in the UK, I went out to the airfield, walked around the plane, did all the little, you have to counter turn the prop seven times to get some oil into the cylinders if it's been standing still a long time. And then you get in, you turn the key and it comes to life immediately. And I just flew down to the south coast and back. It's hard to explain, but that really makes me feel alive. Okay, how about you? I just got up a little while ago. I Got up a little while ago. Just up and about I was buying a lot about by and large All right, John. I don't know I you know I'm gonna go shopping. I think I'm gonna do some Christmas shopping I haven't even started. That's this week. I'm gonna do Christmas shopping. I did get a good bottle of quality vinegar that they were Selling at a closeout price yesterday if I felt real good about that. I'm so happy for you. I

49:46 because he'd always get the girl and he was just a bad person and But the Romney has that same look which is just slightly slightly creepy. It probably doesn't matter who wins anyway They're not running the show well. Yeah, this is system the guy the guys with the boring story They're running the show anyway, so anything else No, man, we've way... Now that we've depressed the users, I mean, our listeners are like all going, God, what is with these two jerks? Okay, alright, I'll just say I'm actually very vibrant and full of life today after I look at the calendar I had not flown for two months.

50:23 And even though it's not great weather today in the UK, I went out to the airfield, walked around the plane, did all the little, you have to counter turn the prop seven times to get some oil into the cylinders if it's been standing still a long time. And then you get in, you turn the key and it comes to life immediately. And I just flew down to the south coast and back. It's hard to explain, but that really makes me feel alive. Okay, how about you? I just got up a little while ago. I Got up a little while ago. Just up and about I was buying a lot about by and large All right, John. I don't know I you know I'm gonna go shopping. I think I'm gonna do some Christmas shopping I haven't even started. That's this week. I'm gonna do Christmas shopping. I did get a good bottle of quality vinegar that they were Selling at a closeout price yesterday if I felt real good about that. I'm so happy for you. I

51:21 You know, what I always like to do is get a good white wine vinegar. I make my own vinegar too, but I don't use the... With the stuff that's commercial, I'll buy a good white wine vinegar and then you buy a bunch of tarragon and then you take half of it if it's a big enough bunch and you shove it in the vinegar and you just leave it in there for about three to six months and then you use that vinegar and it's an outstanding product. Another culinary tip from John C. Dvorak. Make your own tarragon vinegar, folks. You've got to see these one minute holiday tips the barefoot doctor has done. I don't know if they're up yet. We got this guy, this like healing Chinese martial arts guy.

52:04 We'll talk about this later, but that gave me the idea that I think I'm going to do a one minute computer tips for pod show. That's a good idea. And there's going to be a hundred of them. Yeah, exactly. John's 100 tips, but we're going to start that probably in a couple weeks. That's a really good idea and I like it. And this is what we did with Barefoot Doctor, so for the holiday season, I'll find them. I'll find them. I don't know if they're up yet. I just approved him So I don't know if they got up yet if there's going on Monday But he has like a one-minute tip for the hangover You know how to prepare for a night of drinking all kinds of really useful stuff Sounds like he's got some sort of narrow-minded approach It's just about drinking now. Yeah, by the way anybody. This is really we're in Britain. Okay. It's all about drinking and

52:51 Yeah, Dave if it was all about drinking why they closed the pub so early no no no they changed that law man It's now you can stay open 24 hours a day. They changed that Over a year ago really yeah, you didn't know that no yeah, I haven't been there for over a year I don't go there because I can't afford it. Yeah, it's not it's not that they all do but they're allowed to and so now their place is open God it seems like 24 hours Well, that's good news. I guess for all the alcoholics. Yeah, anyway Anybody with a good computer tip that they think should be related it could be given away in a one-minute bit Send me an email at John at Dvorak org and I'll I'll use the tip and give you a plug Yee-haw hundred up. I got about 50 so far, but I need another 50 and you are you doing Mac and Windows and Linux as well? Not to mention it no, but I could

53:47 Could do the thing is I don't like you know get turn the audience off with a bunch of Mac tips The Mac really doesn't need a lot of tips. It's kind of self-sufficient. You know it's the PC that needs it and it's not just about Computers, I mean it's gonna be tech tips too. I got a I got a hot Mac tip for you Yeah, so and this will be quite rewarding for people who have sat through 54 minutes of this crutch. I Yeah, I had dinner the other night in New York with someone who absolutely Knows what goes on inside Apple who doesn't work for Apple anymore, but has been there for a long long time dating back to the Newton days and You know they're talking about a new Mac coming out something. You know thin or whatever I'll draw light he says it is Pen based oh Well, that's no good

54:37 And the reason why, he says, is because Apple has a certain patent over... I think he said, write anywhere. I guess it's so that wherever you write, it doesn't drop down to a prefixed line that the writing has to go on to. I'm not quite sure what it meant, but he was telling me about some patent that Apple had since the Newton days. And that was the reason why no one had done it right yet, but now that Apple had implemented multi-touch and they still have the light pen. Do you recall that? Yeah. He says that that's what they're going to be doing next is something pen based. More tablet size, not full computer size.

55:27 Hmm. Well, we'll see. Hey, by the way, you mentioned that they're going to go after Huckabee. So I just hit the blog just to finish the show. But then there's a post somebody just put up one of my bloggers, McCullough Huckabee's and here's the headline. So this is kind of an indicator. You don't have to know any more than this than the headline Huckabee's theology degree. Not exactly. Oh boy. Yeah, it's all over. So we'll see. Who's that guy from the cage match? Does he work for you? Bubba? Yeah, Bubba. What's his deal? Bubba is a... He's one of these guys... He's another one of these... Most of these guys that I have working here... Not all of them, but a good number of them are kind of retired geezers.

56:15 Okay, and Really, I thought yeah, I was thinking you had all kinds of young kids who are following guys that are that are young but generally speaking They're either retired or they're early retired a lot of them got you know they're kind of independently wealthy or they're just Ladies and gentlemen a rare look inside the Dvorak Empire as we lift the veil of the vorac org slash blog it's all these ears and so they seem to be they have a lot of time on their hands a few of them and uh... so they uh... and there was a from the web because there's like you know that's plot of people do that and they just have this same libertarian you know perspective that we always all of us have the same basic libertarian perspective trail although we don't have the same

56:59 And these are just guys you met throughout the years through email and stuff and and then said hey, you know I'll maintain some stuff on your blog and is that how it works rich it started with a guy who's who's I I think ads about 60 I don't know, I could be wrong. But anyway, this, what it started when I started the blog like four years ago and I get these guys say, I like your blog and you should check this out, then you'll check that out. I'll look at this point and then I would be getting ideas for posts and every once in a while somebody would come along and every one of their ideas was exactly what I would be posting if I had found it.

57:37 So it was like a self-selecting group. There's other people that do this, but they're spotty. They hit one and the other one's kind of, oh, I don't know, I can't do that. But there's a couple guys that were just hitting the exact right post. I said, would you like to just do this post without going through me? Just do it yourself? And they said yeah, and you know I was thinking about they probably don't want to and every one of them say yeah absolutely So I just gave him a administrative. You know Is there do you have a moderator set up though is there a flow or does everyone just post freely and you don't check anything Do you ever remove anything? Nope? It's all freeform. It's we don't do that would be work Adam. We try to avoid that That's very interesting because I've always wondered about that and so they probably don't even get paid at all I

58:23 Actually, they get a Christmas bonus every year. Oh, that's nice based on the on the Google Ads, right? And you know what it costs to keep the blog running. But anyway, so yet and I haven't sent that out yet this year, but I'm gonna do it this week, I think. But anyway, the thing is, it was self selecting and then Baba came along and Baba was The more he was really anxious to do a lot and he was but he was late because he was too much He was really way anxious And so I said, well, you know that what really needs beefing up if you want to do a lot of work is the cage match Which is this other form as a BBS type thing? And so I just gave you said you're go go do what you want to do there I just kind of gave it to him because it's actually run by him and a woman named Catherine and

59:09 And she is the one who set it up and she's kind of the techie and she you know found the right bulletin boards offer And she did all that stuff and then I just gave it over to Bubba who's also got his little couple of minions that he's kind of working with and so that's kind of an independent thing that competes with the the other site the network that the vorac created created Spreads far and wide across the universe of like-minded people all it's the it's the uh... but tom sawyer approach to let me know that you met any of these people in these folks personally not in person to set katherine i know her for your she's to be a p r and at i b m and so you don't have like a Dvorak org slash fan day and y'all get together and have drinks and talk about the blue gonna probably one of these days I you know when a couple other schemes work out and after the pod show company goes public Yeah, after we're rich beyond our wildest dreams Dream on You're gonna be working your sorry ass off for a long time brother

1:00:08 Well, we'll see. So hopefully something good will come of it. Anyway, so that's kind of the story. It's the way it is. I try to set that up so it's automated so I'm not spending a lot of time on it myself. Everybody that does it also does the comment moderation. So if you happen to be on the blog, you check the comments. kill a few. And so that it works out. It's kind of a it's like a it's like a it's like a Wikipedia team. Well, you know, it is. It's very similar. It's very similar to the Daily Source Code. You know, people are sending in bits. They contribute. You know, I can almost always count on, you know, Jersey Todd to do send in songs for Friday. And you do collect kind of a core, what I call savants of people around you who just contribute to your little media thing. And it is really quite awesome.

1:00:59 Yeah, no people like to like to people do like to get involved if they're with like-minded people and they're having fun And they and it's some you know what I give these guys You know is because a lot of them do have their own blogs is I give them more exposure because their blogs You know like a typical blog is get you know if you get 30 or 40 visitors a day That's like a lot and I get 30,000 a day, and you know it makes it kind of a difference to not get a little nice So you get more? The comments are more interesting and there's like cadres of commenters. So I think everybody appreciates the fact that it's a good platform. Fantastic platform. So man, you must be doing okay with those Google ads. You're probably doing like 50 to 100 bucks a day? No. Google ads are overrated. Really? Yeah.

1:01:51 If you have a million page views, I'm guessing, generally speaking, you get about a thousand a month for about a million page views. That's how low the numbers are for Google Ads. The only reason you run them is because Google has to look at your site more, so you get indexed a little better. You know, if somebody comes along with a better scheme than Google Ads, I mean, everyone will jump to it. Because most people, if you talk to them about what they make on Google Ads, they lie. Because everyone's embarrassed. Because the numbers are so low for Google Ads. They're so low that everybody's humiliated by them. And they think, well, it just must be me that they're so low. So they'll lie to you and tell you.

1:02:36 You know I'm getting five thousand dollars a month. You know bullshit. That's that's why I'm convinced this cellar tainment stuff we're doing like with GoDaddy and with the Nokia headsets and And we're doing this this Sony headsets Nokia, and I'm sorry it's Nokia now. I'm confused. We're not doing Sony Sony's not cellar tainment Vitamin shop, I think is is gonna be one so you know just like GoDaddy I mean there are people who are gonna make like a 300 grand next year and you know they don't have a big audience, but again It's one of these audiences you know they do promos and contests and you know you you because every single time you know you you sign up a new customer They get like a real. It's like QVC. It's like fucking QVC, and I really think it's a future I mean I could sell cars. I know I've sold cars. You know hmm. Yeah, I think you're right It really it really could be a new that really could be the answer for independent you know media

1:03:39 Where you just ride along with whatever. You can basically put anything up for sale. I test this stuff with Amazon religiously. And I'm selling all kinds of stuff. Not that it's a lot of money, but to someone else it would be a lot of money probably. Well, one of these days I'm gonna bump the Google ads and start selling stuff on the blog and that will change the financing. But for now, the Google ads are there. And I actually learn a lot from them because I can see what's going through. Because we have an eclectic blog. I mean, it's got all kinds of weird stuff on it. And so it's interesting to see what kind of ads come up. Because they're trying to analyze the information and then they throw up an ad that somehow

1:04:24 You know that's why I think the huckabee things up right now with the Romney ad yeah I get I get all kinds of curry stuff. Which is what I want basically well there you have it anyway, so I think that's it for this week Don't you think I don't know is anyone still out there? I think the suicide rates gone up to ten So we'll have to watch the numbers on this show either people are gonna love the longer format Or they're just gonna have shot themself. Well. You know I think it's the format is a variable anyway We're trying to keep it at a half an hour. I don't know how we got carried away Well you're talking it because yeah, you're all jacked up about that plane ride should I should I? Edit out the whole thing about the banking system. Oh absolutely not

1:05:11 People know how to fast-forward don't they isn't that the whole point? No that they're gonna listen to it That's what's good, and they're gonna be listening waiting for the punchline, and then they're gonna be sorely disappointed I think that's great does everything have to have a punchline. I think so well Could you rewrite that one for me then no? I'm not gonna deal with it I gotta go try to even catch up with what you're talking about you should definitely I do know Hopefully we won't get back into another banking discussion in the future well, okay Okay, I'm just a little more meta at that than you are John. Oh absolutely But that's because you have a greater interest in the international banking scheme of things than I do I think we all should have an interest in that it's important stuff. That's that's well. That's where we can make some change Well, then people should go out and read confessions of an economic hitman as soon as they can I think I should go read that

1:06:11 Alright, I'll leave you with one then. You definitely need to read Next, the new Michael Crichton novel. Next? Yeah. And they have a... What's it about? It's about DNA and your right to your DNA in the future. Oh, right. And, you know, when of course we can solve every problem by just growing a new piece. Right. And putting it into you. It's a very good book. And you can't miss it at the airport because they have a promotion on the stand where they have done the same... It has an ape on the front with a barcode and they have different jackets. They have a yellow jacket, a red jacket, a white jacket, a blue jacket. And it's all the same logo so you can't miss it. It's a great book. You'll like it. I will get it immediately. On one of your many travels. Okay, still no word on an Eisenhower book?

1:07:06 No, no, actually I mentioned this on daily source code. I was at the airport in the UK and I was looking for an Eisenhower book in the biography section and the whole section John, I kid you not, is filled with Autobiographies from David Beckham, Victoria Beckham, the Beckhams, the unauthorized Beckhams, Baby Spice, Ginger Spice, Three Guys from Big Brother. I mean, there's not a fucking serious biography to be found anymore. That's your market. All right. We better stop before we kill again. Right, exactly. All right, coming to you from the Curry Manor, I'm Adam Curry.

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