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00:00 I think a lot of it has to do with the texture of the meat and the flavor. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Thursday, May 21st, 2015. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 723. This is no agenda. Celebrating Fleet Week and broadcasting live from Hell's Kitchen in New York City, FEMA Region 2. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from brotherhood Silicon Valley, with Ray Brown, I'm John C. DeVora. What did you say about brown you got drowned in your brown I said we're gray is brown always Brown is the new race. It's overcast but unlike most parts of the world when it's overcast around here And you have that kind of what would normally be this kind of gray? Atmosphere yeah, it's always kind of brown

00:56 It's overcast in New York City. I wake up in the morning, I see this, I look at it, and it's just kind of brown... goo. Okay. Maybe my eyes are going. I'm gonna call you back. I'm overriding you to a serious degree. In fact, we'll start over again after I call you back. You're overriding me? What does that mean? Just trust me. Don't ask fucking questions, asshole. Just trust me. What does overwriting mean? Don't ask questions. I wanna know. Well, when you're talking and I make a sound, then you are ducted down into nothingness, which is why we couldn't really hear your opening either. Oh, that's why you couldn't hear anything. Now, hold on one second. Okay. Let us try it again.

01:57 Hit it. Celebrating Fleet Weekend, broadcasting live from Hell's Kitchen in New York City, FEMA Region 2. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where they're celebrating Fleet Enemas, I'm John C. Dvorak. And it's Craig Vaught and Buzzkill. In the morning. Give the guy a second chance and his comeback is outstanding. I didn't even know it was gonna be fleet week this week in New York. It's all over the tweeters. You had you're looking at your account No, I'm not I have I'm in New York. I don't have no time to you looking at the tweeters all day Yeah, there's a bunch of crazy sailors running around. Hey sailor. I Happen to be on Christopher Street yesterday Christopher Street mm-hmm that's downtown right that's the village West Village. Yeah, that's a lot of gay sailors

02:59 Hey sailor you got gum Wow does that still work? I guess it does Yeah, I mean in the big apple the meaning that's the party. I think I understand yeah something to chew on yeah So I am in New York City in an Airbnb. Oh good, which which is illegal now. I'd somehow, but I'm not quite sure Well, don't tell anybody. Well, that's the whole reason. So when you when you sign up and everything, it still works through Airbnb and the payment still goes through them. But then your host says, well, you know, the the key will be downstairs in the system, your name, the doorman. But just say your family visiting, if you know what I mean. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. OK.

03:49 So they're still doing it on the QT? Very much on the QT. And of course, these days whenever I travel, I'm pretty much booking my lodging based upon internet connectivity. Hotels are just, it's no longer doable. No, they're terrible. Yeah, this has a Verizon file, so I think that's oh, I think that should do the trick yeah It's I measured it yesterday 50 megabits up and 50 megabits down. I like it metric yeah Very much, so no I the hotel Situation is because they they didn't provision for the fact that everybody in the hotel will be using the

04:32 The Wi-Fi, they don't even have direct lines in most of the rooms anymore. But they'll all be using the Wi-Fi and it's never, if you're in the wrong corner, it's never any good. Yeah, but none of it, I've rarely seen anything really effective. I mean, the last three times I was in a hotel, we wound up using the iPhone. Right. Which at least it worked, that's nice. Yeah, it did work, it actually worked well. Anyway, little overcast, but it's been cool in the city. It's perfect. But it's overcast here and I was... my original opening was where it's... where gray is brown, which is what we have. We have this strange... I don't know what it is when it gets gray, especially when compared to Washington State. It's not really gray, it's kind of a brownish color. We had rain last night. Okay, well good, you needed rain. Well, it was, you know, meaningless.

05:27 I saw a play, let's get it all out of the way while we're at the start here. I saw the play, it's only a play. Yes. Which is funny enough, it's a very meta play about a play and about a play. Is it a farce? It is, well you know, I think this is the kind of play, and you know me, I like musicals more than plays, but this thing is... I mean, is it a farce? A farce like a British farce? No. Doors opening and closing, misunderstandings everywhere. There's a little bit of the farce, a tiny bit. It's a one scene, two act play. It's closing June 7th, and the reason why I wanted to see it is because of the cast, which is just outstanding. Nathan Lane, Matthew Broderick, F. Murray Abram,

06:14 and Stalker Channing. Wasn't she Rizzo in Greece, Stalker Channing? I don't know. I think she was, yeah. She's been around forever. But it's, if you're not interested in how theater works or show business, show business is perfect because it's pretty much the dynamics between the playwright, the producer, the actor, the reviewer. I had a good time, it was nice. Very funny, very funny. And this kid, Mika Stok has been nominated for a Tony for his role. He does the farce role, the door opening, closing, coming in, confusion, etc. And that's our mini review everybody. Outstanding! Man, your cultural news. Hell yeah everybody, there it is right there for you. However, I will say, something new in the theater.

07:12 Selfie sticks in the theater. Oh, no, it's an outrage and before that started before a curtain rise of course, but oh man It's pathetic that is pathetic everywhere Times Square now I'm here in Hell's Kitchen, so I've been crossing Times Square a lot It's just it's all selfie sticks people could be you might as well. Just have lightsabers. You know it's It is really effing pathetic it is that is pathetic Look at me. Oh look at me. I and now I've got a selfie stick you just make a fool out of yourself

07:50 I can't although they tend to be still group pictures. I've noticed this when I was yes I came across the Golden Gate Bridge for some because I can't get to San Francisco So I have to go around the horn now because of the all the construction the horn Cape Horn the horn For me because I'm in the East Bay I'd have I normally just go across the Bay Bridge, but when I do that I get stuck in all these messes and And so I'll go around the horn, which means I go down the, across the Richmond-San Rafael Bridge and then cut over to the Golden Gate Bridge and then go into the city. And, which is expensive because the Golden Gate Bridge costs a fortune to cross.

08:29 I was coming back the same way and it was nice weather, it was a little foggy so I stopped at Vista Point so I could get some photos of the Golden Gate Bridge with the fog. Oh, it must have been selfie stick central. Oh my god! I got some great pictures of people standing on the ledge. and then there's pictures of another guy taking pictures of them and if they take one false move down they go into an abyss. I had a thought about this. To their death. Which would be a good start for the selfie stick mania. I had a thought about this as I was... By the way, I'll post some pictures from this little selfie stick on the next newsletter.

09:09 So I missed it last night, but I saw some clips from the last David Letterman show. And by the way, it's not like New York was, you know, everyone traffic stopped because of his last show. There was no notice of the last David Letterman show in New York. I don't see what it would be. But I don't know if you saw it. Yeah, and I do have a couple comments. I have a question first. Or an observation. So I saw the final montage which is just a very fast-cut historical view of historical video and photos and guests, etc.

09:45 And what I noticed is the quality of the archival material is so poor, most of it was from VHS or... This is a problem that we're entering into this phase where everybody's got their selfie sticks and we've all got our iPhones and all of this history, all of this legacy is being captured in the cloud and on devices. If David Letterman can't even really come up with any good quality of his program, top-rated entertainment program with big networks who also don't archive...

10:22 No. The Andy Warhol 15 minutes of fame I think has pretty much come true. What really is going to happen is every human being in the world will only have 15 minutes of legacy. A couple of things laying around and you're going to be dead to the world otherwise. That's it. You're 15 minutes of who you were. You're dead to the world, you're dead to me. 15 minutes of legacy is all you get people. Make the best of it. Yeah, there's a number of people that complain about this and right now I understand there's only maybe just a half dozen machines of RCA or I'm sorry Ampex. Oh they can do the four-inch the two I guess it's two inch forehead yeah two inch four inch I don't know how it's big. There's a big two inch forehead with just a spinning. Yeah, it's just a big-ass reel-to-reel

11:15 Right, and those are the original videotapes were done on those giant machines. There's only a few of them left and there's apparently years and years of tapes that they're trying to go through. to digitize why they still can do it and they know that these machines aren't going to run much longer and there's going to be a lot of stuff that's going to be on the big reels, those big two-inch tape reels that will never be put... But even then, so they've digitized it and then it's going to be on a professional format and then where does it go? Well, I know this is a problem. We know that in fact when I was at Tech TV we had a digital format that they went to from

11:56 from making little tapes to digitizing on hard disks and the little tapes which I have a box of them. I still have boxes of dat tapes with PCM encoded audio. I don't have a player for it. Now that we're going into this. Well not too deep. I have a lot of dat tapes and I recently just bought a Tascam. That player to get these things Moved over and then what do you do with them then where do you move them to? The cloud I think I'm the flack. I think that's what we do right now. That's the way to go flack FLAC. That's I agree Yeah, it should probably be aug vorbis and flack. I guess is this well? I'm Barbis is that nobody wants to use it because it sounds are too weird hmm. That's the reason John at curry.com

12:45 I had the inventors of odd for John at curry calm This is where you want to send your complaints. You're not encoding right Dvorak. You don't know what you're talking about Always sound like a monster movie to me yeah Yeah, no, it's an outrageous situation. There's nothing we can do about it. And you're right. In fact, it's all going to be blown up, especially when it gets smaller and smaller. Even if it's on... Now, you know, there's commentary about flash memory having a limited lifespan. In fact, even if it just sits there, apparently it loses whatever it does.

13:28 Well, we're all doomed. I mean, I've been printing out pictures. I know you print out pictures, documents. You got to print that out. Video, I'm not so sure what to do. I think you're right. Flack is probably a good idea and multiple media. So even though removable, you know, writable disks that also has a certain shelf life, right? Yeah. Screw it. We're here now. While we're here, let's deconstruct the media. Wow. Hey, local news up here in New York. So, catch us up with New York. Local news. This is, it was on the New York Channel 2, but it was a report from Bergen County High School in New Jersey where the FBI is going out there and they're talking to the kids. Now, when I was a kid,

14:16 I'll remember that maybe we'd have, well we certainly have a fireman drop by, you know, once in a while. Maybe some kid's dad was a fireman for career day and talk about how to, you know, be safe with matches and fire. Fire. And maybe the cop would come by and you could touch his badge and stuff. But now the FBI is coming through the high schools and they have a whole new message. ISIS has been known to recruit young people through social media and that's why the FBI is going to high schools with a new message. And today they delivered that message in Bergen County. CBS 2's Christine Sloan was there. So I'm talking to the FBI and says, hey, this guy here in front of me, he's a terrorist, he's doing all this, things like that. Here's all this information.

13:28 Well, we're all doomed. I mean, I've been printing out pictures. I know you print out pictures, documents. You got to print that out. Video, I'm not so sure what to do. I think you're right. Flack is probably a good idea and multiple media. So even though removable, you know, writable disks that also has a certain shelf life, right? Yeah. Screw it. We're here now. While we're here, let's deconstruct the media. Wow. Hey, local news up here in New York. So, catch us up with New York. Local news. This is, it was on the New York Channel 2, but it was a report from Bergen County High School in New Jersey where the FBI is going out there and they're talking to the kids. Now, when I was a kid,

14:16 I'll remember that maybe we'd have, well we certainly have a fireman drop by, you know, once in a while. Maybe some kid's dad was a fireman for career day and talk about how to, you know, be safe with matches and fire. Fire. And maybe the cop would come by and you could touch his badge and stuff. But now the FBI is coming through the high schools and they have a whole new message. ISIS has been known to recruit young people through social media and that's why the FBI is going to high schools with a new message. And today they delivered that message in Bergen County. CBS 2's Christine Sloan was there. So I'm talking to the FBI and says, hey, this guy here in front of me, he's a terrorist, he's doing all this, things like that. Here's all this information.

14:58 FBI intelligence analyst who we chose not to show on camera at Bergen Arts and Science Charter School in Hackensack, New Jersey, warning students about a new threat. Now how do you think these kids are going to respond to this education, this little educational moment they're getting? They're going to be cracking up. I had money, I had a family. I had good friends. Sophisticated online recruitment video trying to lure them into joining the terrorist group ISIS. Every person can contribute something to the Islamic State. It definitely was eye-opening, you know, you learn that it's in your own backyard, it's American citizens wanting to join these terrorist groups. I want to say something about this report. Just listening to it, and I didn't realize it when I was clipping this, the first two voices you hear are ISIS recruitment

15:47 voices and for them to even put this in in this piece is is already subliminal you know it's it's very it's I think it's unhealthy they're doing this. It's in your own backyard it's American citizens wanting to join these these terrorist groups. The young Canadian in the video died fighting with ISIS. It's definitely a bad thing. This Bergen County school, one of many the FBI has come to with its alarming message. Regular American kids could be vulnerable to this kind of propaganda. It was videos and all social media that no one is really that aware of what is happening, how deep they go into Facebook and Twitter now. Does it scare you?

16:27 I'm more interested than I am scared. I want to know how to find terrorists, how to stop them from doing things. The FBI says more than 150 Americans have traveled abroad to join ISIS, some of them teenagers. Our students, our young people have to understand that they have a part to play in counterterrorism operations here. The FBI planning on taking its message to other high schools in our area to reach kids at this critical age to make sure they don't fall prey to the propaganda ISIS is putting on the internet. The forum is part of the FBI's outreach program that in the past focused on issues like cyberbullying. I had to leave that in. It was so bizarre. Yeah, you had to leave that in. And this is part of a new term, or maybe it's an old term, it's just new to me, a trigger

17:17 And then now the educators speak of trigger warnings. There are certain visuals or other types... It's an old term. It's an old term, yeah. Trigger. Trigger. So we have trigger warnings. It comes from hypnotists or something. In fact, I saw in the Washington Post, Columbia students claim Greek mythology needs a trigger warning. What is that supposed to mean? When looking at depictions of Greek mythology, you know, there's all kinds of rape and pillaging and beheading and ugly things and they feel that or educators feel that this now should... Oh, ban it! No, they need a trigger warning.

18:06 You know, like kind of trigger warning is like be careful. Flashbulbs. Flash photography. Yeah. Yeah. They have that on all the British. I don't know. We don't do it, but apparently flashing on the screen. It's possible that with PAL and 50 cycles, it's going to it causes it triggers epileptic seizures if you see flashbulbs on television. But we never make that assertion because I think we just a higher frame rate. So I'm reading here, the phrase can be traced back to the treatment of Vietnam War veterans in the 80s. Psychologists started identifying triggers that sent vets spiraling into flashbacks of past traumas. With the rise of the internet in the late 90s, feminist message boards began saying they're using trigger warnings to warn readers of content that could stir up painful or paralyzing memories of sexual assault.

18:55 So I put this under cultural Marxism, really. It's almost as bad as political correctness. Well, this reflects the season-ending most popular show on television, NCIS, which ended with a bunch of kids. This actually was a very funny show. And of course, and I've said it before, I'll say it again, the NCIS show is a government propaganda machine. Great show, guaranteed, but still government propaganda. And the NCIS LA is anti-government propaganda. It's very interesting to watch the two shows. But this show is all about kids that became terrorists through some cult called something, I can't remember the name of it, Common Cause, I think.

19:38 And really common cause no, that's too close to common core for comfort was it couldn't have common cause is a real organization But it's lost its mojo Hey, all these kids are like propagandized and they get their messages through music And they take the bait if they show this is so corny they take way more days till Halloween Halloween, Halloween, Halloween.

20:23 It's just a whole thing. And at the very end, they go for some stupid reason, the NCIS of all people decided to go to Syria or Iraq or somewhere. And then the kids turn, the kids sucker them. Trap them and then gunned down the main character and I saw it and it I Love the crew. What is a crude version of Morse code? Is it still more? I don't know. That's what they say. They say this is a crude version of Morse code I'm gonna be more crude than Morse code. I don't know. I need to see this episode. Did you hear did you hear the dits and the does?

20:59 No, they just showed it. They showed it on like a oscilloscope or a monitor. They show it and they fiddle around, fiddle around. Then they show the crude version with words underneath it that they translate. It's very funny. I love it. Well, Morse code is what the kids should be learning now that the army is... Well, the terrorists in that story were learning it. I doubt there's a single terrorist who knows Morse code. I would agree with you. In fact, that's what they should have had in Bin Laden's bookshelf. The Dummies Guide to Morse Code. That would have completed the whole set. Well, now that you bring it up, I do have a clip. Okay. I listened to four reports on Bin Laden's bookshelf. Yeah, I have a report too. And the best report was on NBC. I threw the other ones away. The best report was on NBC and this is it. Okay.

21:52 Tonight four years after the US military raid that took his life We are getting our closest look yet into the mind of Osama bin Laden The government has just released a stunning trove of documents taken from inside a hideout where he was killed Oh by the way stop So as soon as they came up with this, they said it was 2011. There's a couple of things that came up. One, as soon as they said this, I said, so it took them almost four years to gin up these bullcrap documents and memos. It took them that long. Oh, I disagree. I thought that it should have been faster. Oh, I disagree. This to me is only to

22:32 you know, add to the, you know, the crack pottery of Seymour Hersh. Well, I think it was, yeah, it came out right at the time. Which brings me to the second point. In one report, it said, And the government was very clear to tell people this had nothing to do with Seymour Hersh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a coincidence. From messages about Al Qaeda's strategy and his focus on killing Americans to the American books he chose to read, even messages he sent to his wife and thoughts about leaving his hideout.

23:07 Our chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell has been pouring over the doc. I think I have the same report only they played it on the today show from the grave a new portrait of Osama bin Laden revealed in hundreds of documents letters books video games Found by SEAL team six at his compound the al-qaeda leader telling followers not to grab territory to keep going after a mission American targets. You should ask them to avoid insisting on the formation of an Islamic State at the time being, but to work on breaking the power of our main enemy by attacking the American embassies in the African countries such as Sierra Leone, Togo, and mainly to attack the American oil companies.

23:48 Then, Bin Laden's bookshelf, a digital library, everything from Bob Woodward's Obama's Wars to classics like Paul Kennedy's The Rise and Fall of Great Powers and the Delta Force Extreme 2 video game, most likely for his children. The treasure trove offers new insights into Bin Laden, the CEO of Al Qaeda Central, a bureaucracy... Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. It's never been called Al-Qaeda central, has it? Have we heard this term before? It may have been slipped in once in a while. He's the CEO of Al Qaeda Central. The CEO of Al Qaeda Central LLC. Buy stocks now. Offers new insights into Bin Laden, the CEO of Al Qaeda Central, a bureaucracy complete with a lengthy online application. Questions like what is your favorite material, science or literature? The final question, who should we contact in case you become a martyr?

24:46 I gotta tell you, I have a different version of this report we may wanna listen to, but I'll... It's still Andrea Mitchell? Yeah, it's a different version of this. Funnier. Okay, we have to listen for sure, but I wanna point something out that's... As you clip these things, you hear these things... Yeah, you hear them after the fact, yeah. Wait a minute. If there was an online application somewhere, don't you think somebody... I mean, we do have the NSA spying on every single American. Don't you think someone would have picked this thing up somewhere and made fun of it? Here's the questions I have. What ISP was he using? What was his email address? Did he use Gmail or AOL or, you know? Was there a website that had this online application? His digital book, was it iBooks from Apple? Was it Kindle? She said they were digital. Yeah, did he have a Kindle? His bookshelf was digital.

25:38 was he downloaded have a kindle where they could really be tour them the torrent no we have to do that with books and social defiles are so small but you can books everywhere bit torrent is just that you can get a look something for it was listed as i like this report was good answer literature the final question who should we contact in case you become a martyr these documents show that the line was very much in command that he was on his game, that he was focused, that he was totally dedicated to making sure Al Qaeda had the capabilities to continue to attack America and the West. And Bin Laden closely tracked the U.S. When the Pentagon warned that WikiLeaks' document dump could cost lives... The truth is they might already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier or that

26:23 of an Afghan family. An al-Qaeda operative writes bin Laden, please dedicate some brothers to translate the documents on Afghanistan and Pakistan that were leaked from the Pentagon because these documents contain the strategy of the enemy in the area. The biggest surprise, bin Laden the family man, affectionate letters to a wife then in Iran but warning her to remove fillings from her teeth before she comes to his hideout in case the Iranians inserted a tracking device. Bin Laden also reveals Taliban opposition to 9-11 and the attack on the USS Cole. Divisions in the ranks. What has not been released yet by the US are other documents still being examined for intelligence about any future attacks.

27:14 Taliban, defection in the ranks or complaints, that's something that she said about it. But Taliban has never been Al-Qaeda. Since when is Taliban Al-Qaeda? Before we continue, I'd like to play my Andrea Mitchell report, which I'm thinking... Now, yours was on the nightly news? Yes. So this was the Today Show, which was either simplified to make it more entertaining for the dumb, stupid slaves who watch that crap. Or there was some other reason, because I think I had more and... Well, let's just have a listen to an A-B comparison between the morning report and the afternoon report.

27:53 uh... and the evening report of course we have uh... savannah savannah guthrie who's going to introduce it which is always more fun the big story this morning we have a rare and remarkable look into the mind of osama bin laden in his final days inside his mind a rare look inside his mind collection of documents seized during the two thousand eleven raid on his pakistani compound have now been declassified and they're revealing more about his final years in hiding. NBC's chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell has more on this. Andrea, good morning to you. Good morning, Savannah. This is a treasure trove of documents. Now, did you have the treasure trove? I don't think you had treasure trove. Letters, books, video games, offering new insights into the thinking over nearly 10 years of the world's most wanted man. And I will point out that consistently,

27:14 Taliban, defection in the ranks or complaints, that's something that she said about it. But Taliban has never been Al-Qaeda. Since when is Taliban Al-Qaeda? Before we continue, I'd like to play my Andrea Mitchell report, which I'm thinking... Now, yours was on the nightly news? Yes. So this was the Today Show, which was either simplified to make it more entertaining for the dumb, stupid slaves who watch that crap. Or there was some other reason, because I think I had more and... Well, let's just have a listen to an A-B comparison between the morning report and the afternoon report.

27:53 uh... and the evening report of course we have uh... savannah savannah guthrie who's going to introduce it which is always more fun the big story this morning we have a rare and remarkable look into the mind of osama bin laden in his final days inside his mind a rare look inside his mind collection of documents seized during the two thousand eleven raid on his pakistani compound have now been declassified and they're revealing more about his final years in hiding. NBC's chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell has more on this. Andrea, good morning to you. Good morning, Savannah. This is a treasure trove of documents. Now, did you have the treasure trove? I don't think you had treasure trove. Letters, books, video games, offering new insights into the thinking over nearly 10 years of the world's most wanted man. And I will point out that consistently,

28:42 The documents from the government say Osama Bin Laden and not Osama Bin Laden, which has always irritated me. So who the hell knows? But this is Osama with a U and not an O. From the ruins of his hideout in Pakistan, Osama Bin Laden is single-minded. The focus should be on killing and fighting the American people and their representatives, he wrote his lieutenants. An avid reader, his online bookshelf ranged from Bob Woodward's Obama's Wars to former CIA bin Laden desk chief Michael Schoer's Imperial Hubris. I see that wasn't in there. Half his collection were books on conspiracy theories.

29:22 like bloodlines of the Illuminati. This is not some kind of detached strategic leader. This is very much someone who has his hands in the mechanisms, his lieutenants are back and forth with him. Bin Laden's letters, even a notebook in his own handwriting, reveal a network run like a business, with an online job application asking aspiring terrorists Any hobbies or pastimes? See, we got a little more on the job- on online job application. Do you know any workers or experts in chemistry, communications, or any other field? Do you wish to execute a suicide operation? And finally... Do you think this is multiple choice? Is that how it works? Who should we contact in case you become a martyr? But Bin Laden is also revealed as feeling increasingly isolated in Abbottabad. Another thing I wanted to point out

30:10 We went through a long conversation about this. It's not a-bot-a-bot, it's a-bot-a-bot. That is the correct pronunciation if you, of course I don't think Andrew Mitchell's been there, but if you have actually been dealing with the Pakistanis or with this town or with this situation, you would pretty much know it's Abbottabad. You recall this whole... Oh yeah, yeah, you made a big deal. You made a big fuss. And I'm still making a big fuss because I believe when people in the know, really in the know, would not be saying Abbottabad. It's Abbottabad. Months before the SEAL Team 6 dramatic attack, he wrote his favorite wife... See, this is also there, his favorite wife.

30:48 They changed it, right? I agree. I like that. I want to mention something else. I know she's going to leave out of this. I don't know if she talks about the tooth thing here, but nobody on any of the other networks, because I heard all the reports including Democracy Now, nobody mentioned this about taking your fillings out except NBC. It is in this report. But I like the favorite wife. That's cool. Would it be nice say you are my favorite wife darling now I'm I assume I could be wrong, but I would think that this ran the next day could be That's a problem. We don't have yeah, I don't know exactly what day this man. Let's go ladies in a bottle on Before the seal team six dramatic attack he wrote his favorite wife I think that I have to leave them referring to the brothers who are guarding him. He didn't leave in time been

31:38 Bin Laden, the family man, wrote passionate letters to a wife living in Iran while warning her to remove fillings from her teeth before she visited him in case the Iranians inserted a tracking device. That's, you know, that is science fiction straight out of, you know, was it Marathon Man? Was that it? Most likely for the children, there were even video games at the compound, including Delta Force Extreme 2, also found by the real US Special Forces the night they attacked. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that we found on that raid. This was proof that Osama bin Laden was still running al-Qaeda there. Proof! Bin Laden repeatedly warned his followers not to attack other Muslims or to grab territory, but to keep targeting American embassies and oil companies. While ISIS, which did not even exist while bin Laden was alive, is doing exactly what he warned against. Here's... Okay, add your analysis and then I have a couple things to add.

32:32 I don't have much of an analysis except there's a lot of messaging going on here and I wonder whether or not much of it is our messaging that we've transposed onto this bogus report which I question to an extreme. Because there was no, it's like, oh declassified, declassified what? They declassified the fact that it was playing a video game by whatever name it was, they're promoting the game by the way, everyone's gonna go buy a copy now. Is that a new game? I don't know. I don't even I've never heard of it. I mean, I think I believe that if the video game truly was for his kids, we know that all opt for Grand Theft Auto. They're going to go for some of this bull crap, killing hookers and speeding cars. OK, it's a universal kid thing.

33:16 I think you're right. I think Grand Theft Auto would be what they wanted to play. Maybe he was a strict dad. Here's... First of all, there's no proof. I mean, they just made a list and said, oh, here it is, declassified, fine, whatever. But also in this... Well, I do want to mention that according to Democracy Now, I guess somebody brought this up. Why did it take so long? Somebody brought... Oh, no, we've been... And the answer is government guy. Oh no, we've been releasing stuff all along. We released some immediately after he was captured, we released some last year, we released some the year before, and I'm thinking, when? I don't remember. I don't remember this. But there's other things going on with this list.

33:56 Confessions of an Economic Hitman was on this list. As I said, you know, the bloodlines of the Illuminati, Project NK Ultra. I mean, what this also does in, I find, a not so subtle way, anybody who's reading these books, you're going to be not just a conspiracy theorist, but you're probably self-radicalizing and you're a terrorist. Yes, I think that there's a little of that. Also the 2030 spike by Colin Mason another thing that we have propagated here the 2030 mean so we're on deck I feel This could be my list We found the list of all his digital bookshelf the cool books to read Curiously there should be a bundle can we get an Amazon bundle together? We buy all these books in one go?

34:44 That would be a good idea. And I would make the argument that if the government's trying to make it look as though if you read these books and you're self-radicalizing, this was after he's already radicalized. These are post-radical books. You're good to go. You're already in. You're already in, but now these books will just give you some more information that you need. Which means again if you're gonna do counterterrorism you have to read all these books now I went the message I'm getting you counter terrorists out there and you kids in school there in the New Jersey schools That's right. You have to be counterterrorists. That's what the guy said. Yeah, that means you have to read these books to see what these terrorists are reading Yeah, the 9-11 Commission report yeah everything well the only thing missing from this now here's a guy who

35:28 who is all over every conspiracy theory, every angle, everything that's being said about him, about jihad, about radical Islam. Curiously, not a single publication from the site intelligence group. I don't know how that happens. How can that be? Not a single document, not a single video, not a single web page from the number one source, the exclusive source, of all things Al-Qaeda, ISIS, ISIL, Taliban, all terrorist information provided by one group, Rita Katz and the site intelligence group to the government, and he doesn't have a single one of them. I wonder if he has a subscription to Stratfor. No, I didn't see that either. That's another good point. Yeah. So yeah, this is, it's well done. I like it. I like that they brought it out.

36:23 right in time to discredit the entire Seymour Hersh story because that's part of his stories. There was nothing there, it was bogus, you know, it was crap, crap, crap. And, oh no, it wasn't because here's the treasure trove. And this does not prove anything. It just proves nothing. And I like the artwork on the dni.gov webpage, though. They did it up nicely. Abbottabad, ladies and gentlemen, Abbottabad, not Abbottabad. And one guy you'd expect to really know how to pronounce that would be the former acting director of CIA, you'd think. I would think so, yeah. Although, I don't know. Maybe they don't have really any... they don't care about pronunciation.

37:20 Well, Mike Morrell, he's been doing... I got a Mike Morrell clip. Yeah, Mike Morrell's doing the rounds everywhere. He is everywhere. He's everywhere and he was on... He's got the book out. He's got his book out. So I caught this on Democracy Now. I didn't catch it direct. I don't know if you did because I know you're a huge MSNBC freak. No, I have different... I have some, uh, I have different clips. Go ahead. So Morel goes on Chris Matthews and Chris Matthews is either, uh, I don't know what his game is, but he grills Morel. He's a douchebag. He thinks he's got him cornered. Good luck with that. Expanding that he admit that he was, you know, why didn't he, knowing that the, of course,

38:05 Matthews has still got a heart on for Cheney and Bush. He's bitching and moaning. He says, I don't know why you didn't come out and say that they lied about what you told them. knowing, or maybe not knowing full well, that the head of the...or he was the briefing guy at the CIA at the time. It's all secret. It's all...you can't go saying anything. You're signing your life away to these agencies when you work for them. And... Matthew, forever, by the way. ...stand up and blab state secrets and why didn't you kind of thing. And Morrell being a wimp.

38:43 who increasingly when he has a tell and by the way I just said by the way and I apologize for that he has a big tell this Mike Morrell when he gets nervous and he's going into you know cover-up mode he keeps saying right right after every well this is right and this is how it's got right And if you have— Right. He said, right. Right. He said, right, at the end of the sentence. And if it's not in this clip, I have a couple clips from our team with him. It's not in this clip because he is being cowed by Chris Matthews to such an extreme that is—I think is embarrassing. A former top CIA official and intelligence briefer to President George W. Bush before the— This is the one, right? Democracy Now! Yeah. —Brock War, has acknowledged Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney falsely presented information to the public.

39:29 In an interview with MSNBC's Chris Matthews, Michael Morell was asked about Cheney's claim that Saddam Hussein was seeking nuclear weapons. My job, my job Chris is to- You're the briefer of the president on intelligence. You're the top person to go in and tell him what's going on. You see Cheney make this charge, he's got a nuclear bomb, then they make subsequent charges, you know how to deliver it. He had the cable to deliver it. And nobody raised their hand and said, no that's not what we told him. Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris. What's my job, right? My job- Tell the truth. My job, no. As the briefer?

40:04 As the briefer? I don't know what's the truth. As the briefer, my job is to carry CIA's best information and best analysis to the President of the United States and make sure he understands it. My job is to not watch what they're saying on TV and say yesterday's... You think TV's a joke? What? You think it's a joke that Cheney said on TV? Yes. That's not my job. Did you know he did that? I wasn't paying attention. I was studying what was on my desk every morning. So you're blaming the president on the reasons for war. They're selling the war using your stuff saying that you made that case when you didn't. So they're using your credibility to make the case for war dishonestly as you just admitted. Look, I'm just telling you what— Well, you just admitted it. I'm just telling you what we said, Chris. They gave a false presentation of what you said to them. On some aspects. That was Mike Morrell, a top briefer for President George W. Bush, being questioned by MSNBC's Chris Matthews. See, her vocal fry has gotten a little worse for some reason. Yes.

40:57 The Iraq invasion has emerged as a major campaign issue after Republican hopeful Jeb Bush walked back his claim he would have authorized the Iraq war. On Tuesday, Democratic hopeful Hillary Clinton was asked about her Senate vote to support the Iraq invasion. Look, I know that there have been a lot of questions about Iraq posed to candidates over the last weeks. I've made it very clear that I made a mistake, plain and simple. I have written about it in my book, I've talked about it in the past, and what we now see is a very different and very dangerous situation. The United States is doing what it can, but ultimately this has to be...

41:36 a struggle that the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people are determined to win for themselves. I want to circle back to Hillary. First, I'd like to go to a Mike and the problem with Mike Morrell, and this is all part of Project Pundit, which is a known CIA. It's a whole department. They write the books. He's got a book out now written by someone else. And I think he somehow believes that he has some like some shield or some immunity thing and that everyone just buy his crap and because he's CIA and they have respect for him. The guy commandeers no respect. He's like a grown Harry Potter and he's a lying sack of shit. It's obvious. So he goes on RT.

42:20 I think Ben Swan is now on RT. Yeah, Ben Swan's on RT. I like Ben Swan. I like what he does. He's a little full of himself. Yeah, it's all right. So here is, you're going to hear a lot of his tells in this one. Was there a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda? It was a very legitimate question for everybody to ask after 9-11. Is there a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda? Is there a link between Iran and Al Qaeda? We said at the end of the day, after going through some ups and downs, we said there is no link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda today. Iraq did not help Al-Qaeda with 9-11. Iraq did not have foreknowledge of 9-11. Iraq in no way supported Al-Qaeda.

43:03 We said that and some administration officials pushed back on us some administration officials said you know We think you need to withdraw that paper and take another look at this because we think you're wrong right They pressured us. It's even better when you say wrong right that's it. That's even cooler. So you think you're wrong right no wrong, right? Right they pressured us They pressured us in a way that I haven't experienced before as an analyst right really stood our ground we did exactly what the taxpayers pay us to do which is call like you see it balls and strikes and balls and strikes. You know, this guy's just filled with cliches. Right. And the president supported us. It was the vice president's office who was pushing us. The president supported us. The president said, hey, I know about that pressure that's on you. I want you to continue to call it like you see it. OK, now we go to bull crap, by the way. Of course, is bull crap. Now we go to a question about Abbott Abad.

43:55 Not about not a bot a bot Abbott a bot you would see I stopped for a second just do one other thing in You know, Bush used Cheney as his hatchet man. And I've seen CEOs do this. They'll be the nicest guy in the world. Oh no, this happened to you. Oh, this is terrible. I'm gonna make sure that this doesn't happen again. And then of course the hatchet man comes in and you get fired. There was a hatchet, he may still work there, Omnicom. When Omnicom invested directly in Think New Ideas, the company that we took public in 96. And John Renn is the, who was just, you know, he's larger than life. He's a, he's a drinker though. Cause after like three in the afternoon, you don't want a meeting with him or maybe that may have changed. I don't know, but I was always concerned about that. He had Tom Watson was his guy. And Tom was this kind of, he looked a bit like, you know, Burns from the Simpsons.

44:49 And he had one arm that was a little half paralyzed. It was really creepy. And if he came to your office, man, you knew it was all over. Oh crap, Watson's here. And that's what you do. You have the CEO hanging out with the babes and on the commercial shoots and drinking. The nicest guy, schmoozer, charmer. Exactly. Big charmer. Larger than life. And then you got Watson. Oh crap, Watson's coming. Here is, again, Abbottabad. It's in every aspect of the story he tells. The Pakistanis were not holding bin Laden under house arrest in Abbottabad. Abbottabad? No, Abbottabad. Abbottabad.

45:29 Abbottabad, right? Under house arrest in Abbottabad, right? The documents that we found there show that he was managing the organization. In fact, we were surprised to the extent that he was micromanaging the organization. It wasn't the Pakistanis who told us that he was there. It wasn't some Pakistani who walked into our embassy and we paid $25 million to. We followed a guy who we thought was bin Laden's courier to Abbottabad. Abbottabad. We watched the compound. Do they, it's incomprehensible to me. that he says, Abbottabad, I'm just gonna be an asshole about it. Bin Laden's courier to Abbottabad, we watched the compound, we came to the conclusion that Bin Laden was there. The Pakistanis did not know that we were coming that night. That's why there's no shots fired, nobody did anything. That's why. Because they didn't know they were coming. In the middle of the country. Well, it wasn't the middle, it was actually the northern part, but it's in the middle of a giant military area.

46:26 Right? I was very surprised. Stop, stop. Wouldn't it be cool if you run into one of these guys who does that and says either right or what you do rarely, but you do it. Say okay. Okay. Yeah, right. At the end of a sentence. And you say, okay. You blah blah blah right? Right? Exactly. Or maybe just say right. You have to use that word. Can't you just say affirmative? If he says right, you should say negative. Okay, right! They were surprised. I was there when they first learned of it. They were angry, they were embarrassed. The president sent me there to smooth over relations with them. But he went there and did he go there and say, take me to Abbot Abbad and they went, the fuck are you talking about man? It's Abbot Abbad, not Abbad Abbad. Have you actually been there Mike? Afterwards and I saw how angry and embarrassed they were. I am, I am,

47:27 confident, 95% to 99% confident that the Pakistani government... Wait a minute. Wait a minute. He went from 95 to 97% confident. You know he should be in climate change research. That's what he should be doing. I am I am confident 95% to 99% confident that the Pakistani government 99. Are you but it's almost there did not know he was there. So there's a percentage possibility he's lying right that the senior leadership of the Pakistani government didn't know he was there. Can I rule out that some some somebody in the local police department in Abbottabad or

48:04 or the local intelligence department in Abbottabad didn't know about this, that may well have happened, but not the Pakistani government. So in almost every regard, he's wrong. Do you know if that $25 million was ever paid out? I'm not going to answer that question. Oh, not going to answer that question. I know, I know, I know. I know! First he says, bud, there's nothing about- Holy crap, are you kidding me? 95% certain I can't talk about that. I know! It's so obvious! The guy's a liar! And he's never- he was never there. I'm telling you, he was never- he was never in Abbottabad. The guy's dreaming. If that 25 million was- Huh? Go back to the 25 million play. Yeah. In government. So, in almost every regard, he's wrong. Do you know if that 25 million was ever paid out?

48:54 I'm not gonna answer that question. Okay, good enough. And Ben's like, okay. Why doesn't he just say no? Yeah, why can't he just because he's been lying all along. This is he's afraid. Look, no one wants to be... Everyone's jumping. Everyone's jumping out, everyone's bailing, everyone's getting out of the way. No one wants to be around when this shit comes crashing down. So he's... I think he messed it up previously. Why does he pull his punch right there? I mean, he's going on and on with his cock and bull story, and then he asks a direct question about the 25 million, and for some reason on that question he chokes. Yeah. Yeah. And that's a central part to the Hirsch

49:35 Walk-in story good enough. What about the good enough? Come on, man. Give this man. Give him a break. Give him a break good enough Good enough. They should use that in congressional hearings. Okay, good enough. Okay, good enough. What about the buried at sea issue? So many people question that. Now this gets even better. And the claim was... And by the way, I appreciate Ben Swan doing this. I mean, we're clearly dissecting it, deconstructing his work, but I'm glad he's doing it at least.

50:12 gotta give the guy credit. It's in line with Islamic tradition and a number of imams came out afterwards and said only if you die at sea, which clearly he did not. Why did that go down that way? So if you listen to Seymour Hersh, right, the seals chopped up his body and threw it out of the helicopter before they even returned to their base in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, right? I know with certainty that his body was taken off that helicopter. Certainty, with certainty, John. Certainty. I know with certainty. So he doesn't have proof. That's not the way you do it. That's not the way. It's like a testimony thing. You don't throw these weasel words in there. I know with certainty. You just say it.

50:51 It's a performative I know with certainty okay, that's what you know with certainty doesn't mean that that's fact or true It's not with certainty that his body was taken off that helicopter in in Jalalabad Bill McRaven the commander of this operation laid out the body on the ground had one of his guys lay down next to it to see how tall he was because we still weren't 100% sure it was been lying to stop the Version of selfies Let me get my cock out, it'll be funny I'm telling I would have done that Let me hold on to his it'll be really funny man come on is a great shit You know there's a photo somewhere of that taking place Or maybe just put the guy put the the chop guy standing around peeing on him. That's even more at the chopped-off arm You know rubbing my crotch or something like that Burnie's

51:44 I'm sure it was bin laden at that point. I was there when the president united states directed that he receive a proper muslim burial at sea. Oh the president would know. And I watched the video and I saw pictures. Wait a minute he watched the video this is new. He said there's video. I thought there were only photos now apparently though he said he watched the video so there's video of something. I think he just misspoke. I was there when the- well You know what? Maybe there is a video. Actually, you know what I'll say? I'm sure there is a video and I'm sure it's a video. It's complete bullcrap made by the same people who make the beheading videos. God knows what he watched. Still working on it. The President of the United States directed that he receive a proper Muslim burial at sea. And I watched the video and I saw pictures. So I don't know who this senior, this former senior intelligence officer is who is providing this information to Seymour Hersh, but he was not in the same room that I was.

52:39 Yeah, so let me circle back with some Morrell stuff actually to Hillary Clinton. Now of course what is happening is there's a big move to put Hillary in as much hot water as possible and Mike Morel, I think he was on Fox and you know now we have a report which actually I'll play the report first because all of a sudden the pixie girl is back John the MK ultra complete thousand yard stare pixie girl Catherine Herridge you recall her from Fox. Oh yeah, Catherine Herridge. Well she's I don't know. She's always the breaking news girl. She always has the inside scoop and then she screwed one up and they kicked her off for a while. Isn't that what happened? Oh, that's possible. Yeah.

53:24 So, so this misspoke. So this girl all of a sudden pops back up and she, she looks in the camera and she has this, she has the red dress on sleeveless and it looks very cute, but it's all, and she's completely, she's, you know, she's beautiful shoulder. She's stoic. She's sitting right there. Her pixie haircut, eyes dead set. There's no soul in this woman, zero soul, but she's removed clinically removed. It's an MK ultra system. But she, of course, has received the highly confidential documents that prove that not only was the Benghazi embassy attack known to intelligence sources, the director of national intelligence, 10 days before, but everybody, including the State Department and thus Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, knew that this was not a video. It was not some, you know, about just people going nuts over a crazy ass video.

54:20 And I need to play this before we get into the morale stuff, because this is all meant to bring down and discredit and set up, set the stage for Hillary Clinton to be great. um... grilled over her role and uh... and her passive or or not so passive role in this cover the newly released documents show a serious disconnect between what the administration said and what was known as the defense intelligence agency also known as the d i a this september sixteenth twenty twelve memo copy to the she's holding up now she'll she's holding up a piece of paper the national security council state department cia and others concluded the benghazi terrorist attack was planned at least ten or more days in advance

54:59 the d i a memo also reports the attack was tied to nine eleven and was retaliation for a june twenty twelve drone strike the killed an al-qaeda strategist there is no discussion of what does an al-qaeda strategist do actually sit there with a stake in mind draw like little like a million views and acts of the over there and we cut over to the right was a strategist do i think he knows where the outhouses are out in the middle of nowhere of a demonstration or an anti-islam video quote The intention was to attack the consulate and to kill as many Americans as possible to seek revenge for the U.S. killing of Abu Yahya al-Libi in Pakistan, and in memorial of the 11th September 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center buildings. Judicial Watch obtained these new records by suing in federal court. And another DIA memo from 2012 predicts the rise of ISIS

55:48 and the establishment of a caliphate 17 months before the president called the terror group the JV team. So complete discrediting and we'll go into the second piece here about what we knew very early on that the CIA compound or the CIA building next to the embassy was being used for shipments of weapons to Syria. Gun running. Gun running, which is illegal. This is Iran-Contra. They may not have paid for it with drugs, but it is precisely the same thing that George H. Walker Bush got in a lot of trouble for. The DIA memo also reported that military stockpiles were moving from Benghazi to the Syrian ports of Baneas and Bor Islam, and the shipments included rifles, RPGs, and missiles.

56:35 This DIA document may also be problematic for Mrs. Clinton, who also skirted the weapons issue during her only congressional testimony on Benghazi of January 2013. Now let's go to Mike Morrell, and he is asked about this report, also on Fox, of course. Were CIA officers tracking the movement of weapons from Libya to Syria? Can't talk about that. Yo!

57:16 Yes, we played no role. What Brett Baier was saying, I think that's who that is. Yeah. If you parse what he asked, I'll bet you you can see what they're answering here. This may be actually pretty good. Were CIA officers tracking the movement? So were CIA officers tracking the movement? Weapons from Libya to Syria? Can't talk about that. Okay, so yes. He can't talk about it, so I presume yes. Right. Can't talk about it. Can't talk about it.

58:03 Even if they weren't moving the weapons themselves, are you saying categorically that the US government and the CIA played no role whatsoever in the movement of weapons from Libya? Yes. Even if they weren't... I gotta go back again. ...that the US government... I'm back one more time. Hold on. worth it. Right, putting the weapons, handing out the weapons, tracking them, loading them, training, cleaning them. There was not a CIA guy holding a box of guns. Polishing the weapons, pricing them. The other guys did that. So we played no role in touching and moving these weapons. No, no, no, he didn't say touching. He said moving.

58:58 Whether we were watching other people do it. I can't talk about ha so he's what but they saw these guys moving away Yeah, but that by itself worst guy for covering up anything. He shouldn't even be on the air He should not CIA get a clue. He should not this guy out of there. He should not get in the hot tub I'm telling you bad bad bad idea geez It's terrible Right right affirmative and with that I would like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John see where the C stands for confirmation D'vorah got me odd C stands for caught me off guard That's the same every morning you Adam Curry in the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feeding the air subs in the water and also

59:43 all the dames and all the knights out there. And thank you Martin JJ for bringing us, it's good to see Martin back. Martin JJ. He brought us the artwork for episode 722, Moral Debt, which I got a lot of retweets on this. People said this was the best artwork yet. It was the ISIS slave t-shirt on the sexy babe. Works every time. Yeah, there's nothing like a sexy baby. There's nothing like a sexy. Well. We had a very poor showing Despite the quality newsletter with the photo which I which was I thought was hilarious And I thought I made a good point with this photo Which was a photo released by the Justice Department about showing Holder with his right? Yes with is it one of this called the Great Hall or something and I thought was thought was I was since it might have been a faked and

1:00:41 Until I found it on the Justice Department Twitter feed. That's where it came from. And it's so nationalistic, so creepy. Hitler-esque. Yeah, Hitler-esque would be it, yes. Where's Renny Reifenstahl when we need her? Or Lenny, I guess. Isn't her name...what's her name? Lenny Reifenstahl. No, no, no. Not Lenny. What's her...Greenwald's girlfriend. What's her name? Poitras. Lenny Poitras. There you go. Yeah, Lenny Poitras. Poitras Riefenwald. So we got three people. We don't really have an official executive producer. Nobody came in with more than $271.83 who will be named the executive producer because he came in with the highest...we only have three.

1:01:25 Christian Herzog, Sir Zog of Ellwood, who comes in from Ellwood, Illinois, 27183. Jens, Sir Zog of Ellwood, father of Sir A-Zog here, having missed a ma... Let me just stretch this so I can actually- Having missed Pi Day. Pi Day? I'm donating the natural logarithm amount working my way towards barrenhood. The show has been great of late and I'm overdue in showing my support. If I could get a long version of the Rev whoop-em, I'd be a happy camper. Thanks. Now get out there and whoop Obama's behind! Whoop the Constitution! Say it now! Whoop it, whoop it, whoop it! Constitution! Get out there!

1:02:16 I'll give him a karma too. You've got karma. Nice. That's always good hearing that one. I like that. The rev. Coming in next, even though he actually only gave 123, uh, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. But he took me out to dinner last night and that dinner was not at a cheap place. So I credited him with a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, even though. And who is this? This is sir. Patrick Coble. Oh, he was in town? Yeah. Oh, how nice. He's in town for some Citrix thing or some meeting. Right. He's like a... Dude named Ben. He's a dude named Ben. And he's... and having sat down and chatted with him, he's like a real dude named Ben. Oh, I know. And... In fact, he's a really nice guy. Did he drive his Ducati from Nashville? No. He drove his... I saw him after our meetup in Nashville. Then, you know, when... a Ducati is a very distinct sound. It's a very, very beautiful... I mean, I'm...

1:03:19 It's a beautiful machine to look at. And I believe he has the 850 and he took off, you know, just on his wheelie for like a mile and a half. Yeah, it goes our night. That's right. Dude named Ben. Well, he's the one who gave us the best podcasting trophies. Yes, that's right. Which I display proudly. So we had a nice chat. So I credit him with this. So he comes in as associate executive producer. Okay. And then, uh, James, give him a karma for showing up. Of course. Amen. Fist bump. You've got karma. I mean, he has to go. Apparently he says that these are like two months of meetings. All the IT world has, they jam everything into a couple of months a year and you sometimes are on, he says he's gonna be on the road for like 40 days or something.

1:04:12 Just going from one company to another where they bring these big shots in and he's one of them. And then they ask what's wrong with our product and then according to Kobel, they tell him what's wrong with the product and then a couple years later after they've been told over and over and over again, they finally fix it. Oh, his job is to upsell it sounds. James Butcher in Dalwalla New Western Australia 200 hey guys this brings me to one one seven seven seven six six I'd like to be knighted as sir James of the general wheat belt central central we built oh I said general central wheat belt thanks guys for the great show all right and that's it so we got in fact should only be two

1:05:02 Yeah, if it weren't for Patrick. That was pretty pathetic. I don't want to say some people can get in on an executive producership like this just by coming in. Such a slam dunk. I'm just going to move on. The New Agenda CD housekeeping memo I received from Sir Ramsey Kane, who starts off appropriately with, Hail Apple! Which we all say, Hail Apple! Hail Apple. I just put up this week's episode of No Agenda 2016. I'm moving on to a new No Agenda CD. I've had many requests for CDs and haven't gotten back to everyone yet. I was hoping you could mention that if anyone requests discs, I'll get them out when the new discs are produced and burned. I really appreciate it. And we appreciate what you do, Sir Ramsey Cain. This is extremely important. We really do appreciate that.

1:05:51 Um, yeah, well that, uh, please, we're doing a show on Sunday. I'll be back for the Sunday show, so it'll be one of those travel, uh, Saturday prep everywhere, the airport, the airplane, get up early, do it, and we'll be ready to bring you another fine, uh, episode of Media Deconstruction, and we do need your support for that. Devorak.org slash N-A. Obviously, you can always do things like, oh, I don't know, go out there and propagate the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Before we move on, John, you know, in two newsletters ago, I believe you asked people for their thoughts and their input. And we received some comments, some good and some logical. Increasingly, and there's always a little delay in things like this, increasingly I'm receiving emails. I think you even copied on one of these exchanges.

1:06:54 But we'll say, well, you guys are really good at pointing out the lies and the bull crap and deconstructing and showing us that we're being mind controlled and programmed to think certain ways, but you never give us any solutions. And this comes up a few times a year, we get one of these. Yeah. And I wanted to explain at least my position. I think yours is reasonably similar. The solution is incredibly simple. And let me show you an example. I looked this up. The top funded Kickstarter projects. So this is crowdfunded. Pebble Watch, $20 million. A cooler that is a portable party cooler that can have blended drinks and music. Got a blender on it. 13, yeah, the blender right on top, $13 million.

1:07:43 The Pebble e-paper watch, so really the Pebble company has raised $30 million in total. We have Exploding Kittens, a card game, $8.7 million. Now, if you want to change anything, you have to start at a local or regional level, depending on where you are. We all know that it takes money to be elected, certainly in the United States, of Gitmo Nation. Once people figure out that you can actually change your life, your environment, the politics and how things are run by either running for office or voting people out, helping to get other people elected, gee, you might actually get the pebble of politicians. It's a crazy concept.

1:08:31 We're all so obsessed with bullshit. But if you really are frustrated, work on this concept. That's all that it takes. If you look at the United States in Congress, currently 79 members of Congress have been in office for at least 20 years. Now, what a lot of people do is, we need term limits. That's just, you're lazy. You're a lazy ass. How hard can it be to put together a video for someone that you believe in, maybe yourself, and crowdfund it? This really can be done. But to say, oh, what choices do I have? I am embarrassed as a human being that in my lifetime we will likely have two people from the Bush family and two people from the Clinton family in the White House as president. It's crazy. And it's our own fault. It's our own fault.

1:09:25 The Adams, you know, John Adams, John Quincy Adams type level of family and intelligence. These are scammers. Yeah, they're liars, they're cheats, they're killers. They're horrible people. John and I both have been around the elites and the elites love to combine with show business. These people don't give a crap about you. They really don't. It's not that they walk past you like you're dirt. That's what happens. It happens with celebrities too. It's a human condition. And once you have power, you just spit on people. They're only there to do whatever you tell them to do. And you can combat them. But if you don't, if all you're interested in is, Oh, this is so cool. There's some guys trying to build a rocket, go to the moon. I'll give him $50. That's really funny. People, that's all it takes.

1:10:17 That I'm continuously amazed that we have to have some kind of grand scheme how you can change things. No, there's only... Is that our job? No, but there's only two in the United States is that...anywhere. Look at history. Either you're going to find a way to vote your candidates in, we know how it's done, it's done with money, go raise some money. Or revolution and you got to chop their heads off. The French did it, it's not impossible. And that's all I can say about it. You know, we're here to help you people. We're here to help you train your kids. And luckily we have young people listening to not be caught up in this like these poor kids in New Jersey who are all in on being recruited for ISIS. It's so silly and even funnier. You know, I,

1:11:04 I met some Dutch friends here in New York, and it's cynical almost how crazy this is. They compare... well, they call it IS. Of course, we say ISIS or ISIL or advertising or whatever. They're saying, you know, it's just like IS, it's just like the Nazis. I'm like, no, you're misunderstanding. How does that work? The Nazis have Toyota trucks as their main weapon? They're misunderstanding. These guys don't even wear helmets. That right now, the United States of America is closer to the Nationalistic Party than anything else. We're getting armbands for crap sake. The armbands is a bad idea. Everybody's lockstep and all go, all for it. So anyway, bingo, boom shakalaka.

1:11:54 Well, you got that out of future. Yeah, well, we have to talk about it once in a while. I don't know why people want us to have call for action. We're reporting and deconstructing news. That is what we do. And the idea is to make you better do it yourself. I have an idea. I haven't. Best you can. I just had a great idea. You run, just for a local election, maybe it's city council, get started somewhere. But you could even find some congressional districts. You do a Kickstarter and as a reward you have an armband, as you know, like a certain level award. People will buy into that. People want armbands. Give it a chance. I guess so. Hall monitor. Hall monitor, there you go. I got a,

1:12:38 I received a great email. Our intelligence network is above any I've ever witnessed. If we wanted to exploit this and work with the people who are inside of our network, we could all be probably fabulously wealthy. Some people would get killed and others would be out of a job, but in general, I think we're good. And people come to us from the inside of FBI, CIA, CDC, DNI, you name it, MI5, I don't think we have an MI6, MI5, everywhere. And this is from one of our producers in the morning, Adam, and I have some clips to go with this if we're interested in it. I'm not sure if this is the correct way to get to you, info to you, as I'm quite new to No Agenda. In fact, was hit in the mouth indirectly by John via Twit. See, John, it's still valuable.

1:13:29 But I feel it is my duty as a well-informed slave to pass on my knowledge to the NOAA Gender Nation. This story about hacking the ECU from the in-flight entertainment system is bullshit. What makes me qualified to comment? Well, in my career I've designed and built cockpit display systems for many aircraft, including the Future Lynx US presidential helicopter. I've designed test equipment for the ARINC bus and also written the firmware for the remote data concentrators which provide the interconnects for the different buses on the aircraft. The ECU is controlled via the ARINC-429er bus, and although it uses the same number of wires and a similar protocol to Ethernet, it requires a time-triggered Ethernet card to issue commands over this bus. Oh yeah, I almost forgot. I'm reading verbatim, by the way. It's not in any way connected to in-flight fucking entertainment systems. The airspeed, altitude, and GPS provided to the passengers is not a fucking feed from the cockpit nav system.

1:14:32 The fact that this InfoSec expert claims to have gained access to the in-flight entertainment system, which would be standard Ethernet, is not a huge surprise or a concern as they are two separate systems. The FAA and other flight regulatory committees would never allow the connection of a DO-178B, or these days the 178C level, Safety-critical 10 to the 9th degree failure rate be connected to a non-safety-critical system. These systems are written on bare metal with no operating system or third-party libraries as every single line of code and all branches are tested via MCDC, Modified Code Decision Converge.

1:15:15 Converage, it says, I don't know, to ensure that they are safe for flight. So the fact that he would know the exact commands to issue to the flight management system is highly dubious as there is no give me a list of commands that are available commands method. And secondly, it is absolutely impossible using a standard laptop from the in-flight entertainment system. I'm calling massive bullshit on this, just another scare tactic to lead us towards trains good, planes bad. Now, with that, There is a podcast called Security Weekly and they had this guy on the podcast. How about that?

1:15:55 Chris Roberts. And it's very interesting, this Chris Roberts guy. I'm going to play this first clip where he pretty much says, and remember Wired Magazine, Ars Technica, everybody was, oh, he made the plane fly sideways, he hacked in, he did all this crazy, oh, how could we get into this system? It's all bad. Am I summarizing that appropriately? I think so. Here he is. He didn't actually hack into anything. So what happened, the first thing that happened was I was very civilized and actually paid for my wireless on the airplane for a nice change.

1:16:34 This is from an info security guy saying, I was really nice. I paid for my wifi for a change. You some asshole. Like it's so cool. You can steal wifi from the plane. Does that make you a big man? Does that grow your penis? I have a receipt for somebody sent me the GAO report. I was actually going from Denver to Chicago and then onto Syracuse to an aviation security. Hold on a second. What do you mean he has a receipt for it? It's all done online. There's no printout. I'm sure he has an emailed receipt then is what he means. I doubt it. If you use the Wi-Fi you get a receipt. I've used Wi-Fi and I paid for it and I don't get a receipt.

1:17:16 by email, they don't even ask for my email address and I wouldn't give it to them if they wanted it. I got partway through the flight to Chicago, somebody sent me the GAO report that says, you know, airlines are vulnerable. At which point I looked at something that Airbus had put out and Airbus was like, oh no, we're perfectly safe, everything's wonderful. And I called bullshit on it and did it in a pretty blunt and pretty neat 140 characters and said, I'm sitting in front of a a system and I know damn well I can get into it. And that apparently caused some issues. And he felt the need to tweet that out saying, oh, I could do anyone wanted. But I'm gonna do this right now. I'm so cool. This is not what info security specialists do. You're a douchebag. So did you actually plug into something under your seat? No, no, I did not. I was pretty. I know.

1:18:20 So Wired, Ars Technica, This Week in Tech, everybody who's parroting these news stories, you're complicit in propagating crap. Hey, you know, I know this is what can be done, but no. Thankfully, because my understanding is they pulled the airplane aside, they've looked at it, they've interviewed passengers and all sorts of good things. I gotcha. Jeez. So is there something you could plug into under your seat or you don't know? Oh yeah, no, there definitely is. A nice control box under the seat that has a modified Cat5, Cat6 jack under it to make friends with the in-flight entertainment system. Make friends. I see. But that's the in-flight entertainment system that should have nothing to do with the airplane controls, correct? You would hope and you would think. That would be logic. But unfortunately, logic does not appear to have been part of the design criteria. I want to point something out. Where did you get this information from? Well, listen. In-flight entertainment has two avenues from there. It goes to the

1:19:17 the cockpit control, the cabin control systems, I'm sorry, and then also goes out to the satellite systems. So, you've got two attack avenues from there. And obviously, cabin control systems and SATCOM systems have discrete network access into the avionics systems and the pilot avionics stuff. Well, no, obviously, it's not true. It's not true. There's no moving into that. We just, this is, What he says obviously, it's not true. I've heard this for quite some time that you know kind of rumblings from people that the systems onboard an airplane are not in fact separate. What's kind of lagged the change and prevented things from actually getting better and more secure?

1:19:59 I don't know. I mean, I think there's a couple of things. One, they're using a whole bunch of like the off the shelf, the COTS stuff. So they're using a lot of the off the shelf stuff. Secondly, which is we just heard is not true. It's it's it's written on metal. It's not off the shelf stuff. There's all the interconnects. You look at what the pilots are using up front. They especially in the more modern jets have got a lot of the glass cockpit systems. So they are modern to every single J Cessnas have glass cockpit systems. This is well-known technology. This is not some Obviously newer aircraft, you know, what do you think? They're flying on these things dick? Obviously, you've got the iPad issues in I think the iPad issues for American Airlines were not connected. They only held the it's the

1:20:41 the digital flight maps with approach plates. It's not obviously that that's what happened. There was a bad update. That's something different. Yes. I've had the iPad issues. Like that's the iPad connecting to the data that they need, which is sitting behind the system. Not true. that does not connect to the systems. I know these systems, the electronic flight bag does not connect to the system. But the cabin control systems, which are, you know, the cockpit front end system has the back end system has, you've just got a complex asshole about face network that everybody's running around on. Complex asshole about face network. Okay, let's talk about this guy for a moment.

1:21:18 because you're going to hear what is really going on here. And I find it despicable, and I find it even more despicable how that so-called tech press has handled this story. That a bunch of like a VJ has to explain it to you. What's wrong with you people? So this guy is running an info security company, and he previously worked for a guy named Kevin Knierim. K-N-I-E-R-I-M. Kevin Knierim. at a company, you're gonna love this, called Psyopsis LLC. I'll say that again. Psyopsis LLC. Spelled C-Y-O-P-S-I-S. You know, like Psyops, I guess. Yeah, ho ho ho. And this Kevin guy, who was his boss, was with the FBI for 15 years.

1:22:08 This guy has been involved with the FBI and security for a long time. He has been pitching to get this business and they don't feel that they either need him or that they want him specifically as a witness here where he's just trying to pitch new business by doing this, by making these funny tweets and telling people he knows what's wrong and airplanes will crash. And he neatly had Wired and Ars Technica and all other tech press lying right up behind him. We have tried to engage with both the airline manufacturers and a bunch of the number of the airlines and haven't had a huge amount of success. No, because you're a dick. One of our Intel crap guys found a really good airline guys. There's got to be always a tech guy in there that just looks sees through this. What is it you can't sell this way?

1:22:55 No, it's a bad way to sell. Well, obviously that's why he can't sell. But to think that he could get away with this, I mean the letter you read pretty much says it all. And this guy is out there pitching. Unsuccessfully. All he's doing is pointing out that he's an incompetent bonehead. So we have tried to engage with both the airline manufacturers and a bunch of the number of the airlines and haven't had a huge amount of success. One of our Intel guys found a release from Boeing from a couple of years ago where I think Render, myself, Raoul, and a few others were considered potential threats to Boeing. Airbus has kept on telling us that they'd want some help.

1:23:42 But for me, I was messing around with the vehicles. Jesse and I were messing around with cars and everything else and started to look at the Intellibus stuff. Intellibus is a Boeing thing, and so we switched our attention to airplanes. Pretty much so turned all the research tools that we have against airplanes to see what we could find out All right. And so what you found out is probably incorrect and your entire approach is annoying but even worse there's never been any attack of any kind no one's ever attempted to do what he claimed to do what the Technology press has propagated your knowledge. Has there ever been an attack on the computer systems of an airplane with it with malicious intent? Oh

1:24:21 There have been a lot of potential issues on airplanes that have been attributed to attacks. But no, to my knowledge, there's never been one direct attack against one. There's been a lot of work that's been done to see what we can do to them, but there's never been an attack against one. So fail is what he's saying. There's no one has ever completed. And I'll leave you just so you can hear what this guy is about. And I find it sickening to hear this whole who does the Security Weekly podcast, who hosts this thing? Who is this? Don't know well they all they're also smug, and it's so funny, and it's also cute. Let me go to my toys They get my laptop my iPad my toys Multi terabytes with a hard drives a bunch of USB drives they took my think geek and I tron and What's very upset with that? I hope they plugged it in somewhere. Oh I

1:25:12 So freaking upset. Yes. They got a couple of USB drives that have got some zero days in so I'm looking forward to those calling home one day Does he not hear himself? Apparently not And for me that retard what I've read that there were you know, lots of people took Your tweet is a threat and quite honestly, I did not. I saw that as, hey, I happen to be sitting here. Wow, all these funny things could happen because I know they can happen, but I haven't actually done anything and I never intend to do anything. That's what I read into that tweet.

1:25:54 So I think maybe some things got a little bit overblown and the fact that you deal with all those folks on a fairly regular basis gives more credibility to that. Yeah. Credibility of the interests. Either you're the most incompetent sales guy in the world or you're part of a psychological operation and an extension of the firm psyopsis, please. Alright, whatever it is. Okay. I think you've changed you I'm done. I think the guy's clip was a little long, but you've totally debunked Yes the story Period. And it's sad that it takes you and I to bring some clarity to this stupid situation because the meme is out there. It's only bringing clarity to the listeners and producers of the No Agenda show. The public at large will still be fed the crap that this guy has delivered. And then, of course, what I don't get is that the government got...there's something about the government going after this guy was for some other reason.

1:26:54 Because he's trying to panic the public. It's like yelling fire in a theater. Well, that's the only thing I can think of because that's what it's like He's making it sound as though these plans are unsafe, which it would be a psychological operation Well, it also be a violation of a number of laws. Yeah, but he's not in jail. So you've got to think hmm Maybe this whole thing was a setup. Maybe he found the new client after all. Yeah a public relations agency. Yeah, and And they're doing this to slam somebody. I don't know who. I'm done. It could be the slamming Delta. It was United, I think, wasn't it? Yeah, I know, but I'm probably... that was a segue throw. Oh, I'm sorry.

1:27:38 Okay, yes, you're not actually gonna talk about that are you well, I think we should put a link in the show notes Yeah, I got it already to the Delta Because I thought it was just a joke that the company there's a there's a WLX back a little backstory there on on YouTube there is the Delta in flight video and Or one of them and it's a joke video. It's they've done joke videos before but nothing so outrageous as this It's the entire it's your safety briefing that they play on the play briefing and it's all bullcrap and it's all joke Oh, this is so funny. Yeah, you know like put this stuff under the seat and they have an or a talking orange And there's a lot of animations and craziness and a lot of memes a lot of corny memes It's very corny and then I just thought this was something that some

1:28:24 But he did and then you tell me in the email that you saw the video on the flight over like two versions of it Yeah, yeah, I've seen multiple versions of this at least two now so that you people that listen to the show and there's one of them is funny where they have the pilot these they have the pilot sitting up front and you know this at the very end like we're getting ready for takeoff and the Pilot turns around and scream Abdul Jabbar, you know, so just throw back to call back to the movie to the movie Yeah some of that Meanwhile, the real scary thing about aviation security, which I saw, I did catch some C-SPAN, they were talking, this was in one of those congressional hearings with John Roth. He is the Inspector General for the Department of Homeland Security.

1:29:09 And the inspector general's job is to make sure that everything's running appropriately and that the department is doing the best they can. And they're not wasting taxpayers' money. Yes, and not... So the question comes up about the security badges and IDs and who has them, and particularly when it comes to TSOs, Transportation Security Officers, anybody else, but mainly the Department of Homeland Security has massive amounts of people. How many do they have? Like four or 500,000 people working for them? Yeah, something comes to mind. And so here is, I don't know if I have the question on here about background checks of everyone who has one of these security passes, which allows you access to secured areas of airports.

1:30:00 Now, it was always my understanding that these agents, certainly the TSOs, that they would have background checks. Is that not what you thought? Gina Smith, who is the editor of the and a new domain.com, which is just a simple... I thought it was .net. Oh, I think they have dot com now, but dot, a new domain dot net for sure. But I think they do have, I think they got the other one. I could be wrong. She, if anybody's a writer for that small but important publication, she does background checks on everybody. She's an editor, because you can do online, there's background check companies, it costs a little bit of money, but you can, you should do background checks. So I don't see why the government wouldn't have

1:30:51 background checks on somebody carrying a gun. Well, it seems that if you're going to have people who are in charge of making sure terrorists... And they have a badge. And they have a badge and the terrorists do not get on to into secured areas and God forbid aircraft. I think it would be handy to have a background check on these people because otherwise they might have one of their buddies slip through. That's what it seems like to me. How hard can it be? How hard can it be? Well, apparently it's a massive challenge. Mr. Roth, we're spending mega billions now for security at the airports when you add it all together. Are we getting a bang for our bucks?

1:31:34 I think there's significant room for improvement. It is a massive task. I mean, when you talk about, for example, security background checks on individuals that hold the passes to the secure areas, you're talking about 3.7 million people that you would have to give a background check for. This is a massive, massive challenge. Can TSA tighten up? Absolutely. And the reports that we have written over the course of the years I think show there are areas where they can tighten up. But we need to understand the sort of scope and significance of the problem that TSA faces. So the congressman, or maybe it was a senator, talks of mega billions, which boggles my mind this guy is allowed to speak. He should have said mega billions. Well, mega billions would be a trillion.

1:32:22 because that would be a thousand billion. Absolutely. And this and this crap hole says, well, that's a massive undertaking. We can't be like doing background checks on everybody who has a badge. There's room for improvement. This is all there's your security theater. It's just we're not safe. We're not safe. We're safe because there's nothing going on. Well, there's that. That's how we're safe. It's all bullcrap. There's nothing going on. There's no threats. ISIS. There's no lurking guys with hiring children to do suicide bombings. It's not like the NCIS show. It's all bullcrap and it's being fed to us just every day. I don't see things happening. ISIS. We will follow them to the gates of

1:33:17 And for all practical purposes we're on lockdown. Yeah, lockdown. Yeah. Lockdown, you can't do anything. Lockdown. I got plenty of more. I want to say something. Kobol had something to say. I was worried I'm gonna say stuff I shouldn't be talking about. But this one I thought was...I wanted to talk about, I'm gonna talk about. He noticed something and I've noticed this. What happened to all the lawsuits that were coming out of the RIAA and MPAA that were capturing all the attention? What happened to those? Did everyone just stop doing them? Did people stop pirating music and movies?

1:34:05 I don't know. I've noticed this too. And one of the ideas, of course, is the old idea of you make a big fuss about busting some grandma and fining her a quarter of a million dollars and then oh, everyone gets really shook up and then they say, I'm not going to take any music. I think I can answer this. I think I can answer it. The reason why, because I can't speak for the MPAA, I can't speak for the RIAA, which is the Recording Industry Association of America, and this is more for music pirating. I believe that what is... we're in a spot now where we have Spotify and there's a couple others, but mainly Spotify, where every single record executive

1:34:49 and probably insiders at the RIAA and their lawyers all hold class A stock in Spotify. And this is going to be a huge IPO. Everybody's going to make out like bandits. Screw the artists, screw the writers, screw the composers. And all they're doing is trying to hype this up, witness, this is more like a tech news report. Apparently Spotify is now going to add video and podcasts and they want to become your single source destination, which is a sure sign that they're not making any money. We know they're not, they're losing money and they will never be permitted to make a lot of profit. That's just not how the entertainment business works. If you're making profit, we're going to raise the price of our licensing. It's just how it works. Look at Pandora. I don't think they've ever made a profit and they're public.

1:35:45 Everyone's quiet because they just want this thing to be built up into them. This will this will be a what is the valuation of Spotify right now? And by the way, I want I'm sorry. I shouldn't say that by the way. I want people to understand how valuations work. Maybe you could explain that John while I look up the current valuation of Spotify. Evaluations work on the basis of investments and what percentage of the company they get at each stage of the investment process. So in the final stages of the investment process, if somebody invests a million dollars and they get some half a percent of the company, let's say, and then this company has X amount of stock, you and the other guys are already in, and you buy your half a percent of the, or say a percent of the company, and you drop 10 million, let's say, and there's,

1:36:36 you multiply that by the number of shares or you multiply in the case of this by a factor of 10 and say you invest $100 million for 10% of the company at the end, which is not, you're not going to get. But you multiply that by 10 because it's 10% and that makes the company worth a billion dollars. Goldman Sachs and Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth fund invested $400 million in April into Spotify. The valuation they did that at, based upon what you explained perfectly, is $8.4 billion. That would be right. Is the company really worth that? Well, you have to say yes, because that is what the valuation is. It's what the market says. It's what the market bears. The market, of course, is never wrong. Everyone's going to pop out of the IPO and no one will care. It's like Twitter. Twitter is

1:37:31 What is left of Twitter is nothing it's it's value less for the investors at this point Not the ones that got out on the IPO The same as Pandora. It's you know, it's actually Twitter does have a market cap That's the other thing it becomes with the value have a market cap But they don't you get once you go public then it's not valuations market cap, which is the value of the stock Yeah, and they multiply by the number of shares and and minus debt so you get enterprise value, right? But you get a number they haven't they have a negative earnings per share. They're losing money. They're just losing money It has nothing to do with market cap. No It does not. You could be losing your butt. Well, market cap is what is looked at for a purchase mainly. Yeah, because that's what you'd have to pay for if you bought their stock up. Exactly. Exactly. So I think that's what that is the reason I can't speak for the for the Motion Picture Association of America.

1:38:25 But I think with the RIAA, the people who are running the show, the labels, the actual label presidents who are gangsters, they, you know, this is...it's a gangster business. It's never really changed. They understand one thing and one thing only, money. Well, it doesn't quite explain it to me why this has gotten so quiet. We know the RIAA lawsuit thing was a racket, in fact, got to the point where they would...it's the same thing. Remember the guy who's no longer my friend, right? When I broke the story that he had the sex videos that he was making, and then the law firm would just call up, they just have a boiler room, they call people up, well, looks like you downloaded Tranny's on Acid. Do you want us to publish this or do you want to pay us $5,000 now? Well, that was a good bit.

1:39:18 And that's a, you know, that's a... Tranis on Acid. I'm sorry, I just made it up. Tranis on Acid. If it doesn't exist, it should. It should, you're right. This is why... We gotta get a replay of those old 60s movies where there's all these, you know, phony baloney, psychedelic effects. The best podcast in the universe! That's why I wear that. For TranisOnAcid.com. I'm talking about being on acid. What is that? Actually, Mimi keeps harping on us talking about this new drug. We talked about it on the Ancient Plugs show. Flaca or whatever it's called. Oh yeah, Flaca. It's another variant of spice or...

1:40:07 I guess it's responsible for a lot of people...it heats your body up to sometimes so high that you have to strip your clothes off and run down the street. Yeah, and run naked and people... Yeah, I think a lot of the running naked may result from people trying this new drug, which is also cheap and dangerous. Now, I think the LAX incident, which I have a clip of, which became top of the news on a couple of the networks, not all of them. I think that was it, that this is an example of that drug because of the punchline at the end of this story. Good evening and we begin tonight with a frightening scene for passengers waiting to board planes at LAX Airport in Los Angeles. A suspect blasting through security, making it all the way to the gate, security chasing him. Here are the moments they pull out the tasers to knock the man to the ground. Passengers holding their hands to their faces, mothers protecting their children. Tonight authorities are now being credited with those officers and that fast work at the airport which has had scares before and ABC's Nick Watt leading us off from Los Angeles.

1:41:07 It unfolded in just seconds. Police tasing that man with crowds of stunned passengers looking on. Trouble beginning at 11am as the man went through airport security. Apparently the man became uncooperative at this TSA security checkpoint. Officers recalled he pushed past them into the terminal. Sean Dimmond waiting for his flight, witnessing it all. I heard a man screaming and yelling. I turned around. There was a uniformed officer following a man. He was yelling at the man to stop. The man refused. Plainclothes officer then showed up, and they tasered the guy in the back. Travelers terrified, this one girl cowering in her mother's arms.

1:41:56 The scene, panic as the man is subdued. He had a strange smile on his face the entire time. I like the part where he had a strange smile on his face the entire time. Yeah. Drugs. He was stoned, of course. It's not new, this flakka. It's been around. It's just the variations of this homebrew stuff. I don't know. I thought more interesting was the news that came out about the new way to synthesize heroin without poppies. What? Yeah, there it is. New York Times. Yeah, New York Times. This is a way to brew morphine raises concerns over regulation.

1:42:40 So then they go all over the world, the heavy heads of opium poppies are nodding gracefully in the wind, protected by the American soldiers in Afghanistan. They fill millions of acres in Afghanistan, Myanmar, Laos and elsewhere. Their payload, the milky opium juice, I love that line, the milky opium juice, carefully scraped off the seed pods, yields morphine, an excellent painkiller, easily refined into heroin. But very soon, perhaps within a year, the poppy will no longer be the only way to produce heroin's raw ingredient. It will be possible for drug companies or drug traffickers to brew it in yeast genetically modified to turn sugar into morphine. Wow! Almost all the essential steps have been worked out in the last seven years. A final missing step was published Monday in the journal Nature Chemical Biology.

1:43:28 And there's an entire white paper on this. An enzyme-coupled biosensor enables S-reticulin production in yeast from glucose. I'm not a chemist, so I don't know if this actually is something you can do yourself. But that's the New York Times, so you have to... There's actually nothing you can do in a factory that you can't do yourself. There you go. Everything scales down to the kitchen. So where does this leave us? We just need the distillation gear and all the other stuff that's all available. So if this is true, this is revolutionary.

1:44:06 If you want to call it that. We won't need any more wars. What will we do? I don't know what we'll do. What will we do for wars? There'll be no point for being in Afghanistan. It's going to ruin the economy of several nations. And probably screw up the CIA's black budget. It's going to, well, cocaine is more their thing. I don't think they were running the heroin and that was their getting their money from that. That's all. It's all good. It's all good stuff. Yeah, right. You're right. From South America, it's a lot of cocaine coming up. We'll probably back talking about Mexico. Mexico is cool where a lot of it comes from. And heroin. Yeah. Talking of speaking of. You OK? Damn it. You OK? Well, I was a moth. Amen. Fist bump.

1:44:57 Moth in the studio, what I don't want. What will we do about the war on drugs? Do we have to just... Well, I was going to talk about Rand Paul. Oh, his filibuster. This is not necessarily inside information or something I absolutely know, but there's a certain protocols to using cocaine. Ah, okay. You are an expert at detecting people who are on coke. Well, who I suspect are on coke. Or they may be people that use coke and they develop all these patterns of habit. That's all we talk about after the show is, who's on coke? We don't. Okay, we don't. So one of the things is that there's the constant going to the nose to either shake extra flakes of coke

1:45:43 that you couldn't get all the way down into your mucous membranes, and so you're constantly bumping your nose or you're doing something to your nose or you're sniffing and you're pushing your nose and you're beating your nose and you're always constantly going to your nose. Also known as booger sugar. I never, maybe. Whatever the case, and I said it there, Rand Paul does this to an extreme and he was filibustering the other day and I'm thinking well what better time to use cocaine than if you're filibustering but I don't know that he used it but he was doing all this no stuff and I just want to make this point. If you have the sniffles, which coke users tend to have all the time, of course they also start talking like this after a while because they can't breathe at all through their nose and so they have this funny voice. And they can't get an erection. There's no erection possible.

1:46:33 If you have the sniffles you do something that a cocaine user would never do you blow your nose into a handkerchief What a waste and you'll never see these guys doing that I mean I have I have Kleenex all over the place to those constantly Because and I do if I find some Kleenex I grab it and I blow my nose and And these guys never do that. They never blow their nose. I have a problem with your theory, though. Okay. I have worked with people I know were doing cocaine. I won't mention any names. David Hasselhoff. But the shoot I was on with him, the director had to time our breaks with his bumps. Hey, David, maybe you need to go, you know, maybe just go to the restroom for a minute. Have a little, you know, just...

1:47:24 And it was at least every 40-45 minutes. If you're doing a filibuster for 8 hours, that's not going to work, is it? No. Although it could. I don't know. I don't know what the deal is with some of these guys. Maybe he's, you know, I don't know. No, I don't think it's a good theory. Well, I'm not saying one way or the other. He wasn't up that long. I mean, it was enough for hours and hours. He was up last night. He was up for eight hours. Well, OK, well, maybe I'm wrong about this. All I can tell you is that he seems to be hitting his nose a little more than I'd like. OK, well, listen to actually a good part. I think I listened to a lot of it. It's mostly and sometimes he gets crazy, says nutty things that make no sense are completely illogical. But he had a moment here that I thought was worth

1:48:13 It's a little long, but I think it's a good little civics lecture for the people out there that try to understand what's going on politically in the United States. You've allowed too much power to gravitate to one body and you haven't divided the power. The division of power was one of the, if not the most important, one of the most important things we got from our founding fathers. But we're having this collapse of the separation of powers. It's getting to be where there's an ancillary body, which is Congress, and then there's the executive branch, the behemoth, the leviathan. The executive branch is so large that really the most important laws in the land are being written by bureaucrats that no one elects and no one can unelect. In an average year, there are over 200 regulations

1:49:08 that will cost the economy $100 million a piece. We don't vote on any of them. You vote indirectly for the president, but I think that's so indirect that it's a real problem. And I think what we have now is we have an executive branch that legislates. And so the collapse of the separation of powers is this, it's a collapse of the equilibrium. And this equilibrium is what kept power in check. And when I think who's to blame for this, it isn't one party, it's really both parties. When we have a Republican in office, Republicans tend to forgive a Republican president and give him more power. When we have a Democrat in office, the Democrats tend to forgive a Democrat and give the Democrat more power. A more honest sort of approach to this, or a more, I think, statesman-like approach to this would be that if we were able to

1:50:09 have both parties stand up as a body and if there were pride in the institution of Congress, pride such that we were jealous of our power, that we were pitting our ambition to keep our power against the ambition of the president regardless of the president's party affiliation, then we might have a chance. He is actually, I'm sorry, not actually, he is citing, I think a, it was a GAO report that came up with this hundred, you know, hundred billion dollar number of all of the regulations that the age, it was actually a hundred million, I think. 189 rules, a price tag of 100 million, but over time until 2030, $80 billion or some crazy amount. And it is indeed regulations that the ages, and we had the, the president came up with the new, with an executive order

1:51:05 specifying regulation. I'd have to look into it again. I've had it in the show notes before. I'm trying to find all of it. But he's right. I agree. The behemoth is just creating... It's out of control. It's completely out of control, yes. He was filibustering the Patriot Act. I'm not sure... I presume that it now has not been extended, I haven't checked. Well, he was also, they were also filibuster, there was like a double purpose for this thing. One was to also keep it off the floor that vote for fast track. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So everybody...nobody was...it wasn't...yeah, I guess... But I have no respect for Rand Paul because he wants backdoors and encryption. He also...I'm sure that he's all in on the, you know, USA Freedom Act, which...and I think I should reiterate or we should reiterate this again, that by

1:52:03 stopping the NSA bulk collection of data does not stop the bulk collection of data. It's even better because it is at the telecommunications companies who have indemnity to share that with the government through third parties such as FireEye. So it's only become easier and less transparent to spy. That is really not I don't think people understand that or they don't care. They don't care. It's called the Freedom Act, so it must have something to do with giving us freedom. There was another great quote where maybe that was part of Rand Paul's... Someone said that, that as long as it has a great name, it'll pass. It doesn't matter. You call it the Patriot Act, you call it... You would vote against the Freedom Act? Food Security Act. You would vote against the Patriot Act? Are you not a patriot?

1:53:00 Just a quick throwaway, while there is so much to report on in the universe, so much in the world, so much going on, we have just crazy things happening in the world. What does, without fail, every single network in the United States of America focus on? And I saw it in, certainly in Dutch and German newspapers as well. No sitting president has done what this sitting president did today. What could it be? Took a shit? We'll have the story coming up. Oh, that's a tease. Sitting president. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's a tease if I've ever heard one.

1:53:35 President Obama test drove his own personal Twitter account today. In his first tweet he wrote, hello Twitter, it's Barack. Really? Six years in they're finally giving me my own account. It's called POTUS, which is the acronym for President of the United States. And he already has well over a million followers including former POTUS Bill Clinton who wondered Does that username stay with the office? Hashtag asking for a friend. How funny that was! That was fantastic. Meanwhile, Brock had a Twitter account. It was the official White House account and he wouldn't tweet.

1:54:18 And the tweets are always marked with B-O at the end. So it's not as though this is his first tweet. It's a complete throwaway. He's got a new account. That's what he's got. He needed to promote that account. That's all that this is about. But it has affected his speech. Once you put the guy on Twitter... 140 characters. No, he's talking all crazy. Listen to this. Long sentences for nonviolent drug crimes. that end up devastating communities, we can't then ask the police to be the ones to solve the problem. Did he say axe? He said axe. We can't then ask the police. He said axe. Axe. What is up with that? The President of the United States said axe. Yeah, he did. We can't then ask the police. This is bad.

1:55:09 Now it's time to panic! We should. Let's do some numerology and come up with something. This man is a piece of... maybe it's the other Obama. It could be. He hasn't been in the limelight for a while. Zach Manning has been in Canton, Georgia, $127. He does say, I was called out on show 721 is a douchebag. Oh no. And I want to reverse my douchebag check with 127, the reverse of 721. Let it be known that every douchebag check can be reversed. Get off your ass and change your direction.

1:55:59 And we should do a douchebag check first and then we'll do a... Douchebag check! No douchebag check! You've been de-douched. Alright, that's good enough actually. I agree. Sir Brian Barrow and Royal Wooten Bassett. Home of the Bassett hounds. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 in the UK. Scott? Niswander in Waterville, Ohio 12345 Alan Cavito III in Midlothian, Virginia, 12345. And to make it a 12345 day, Alexander Salzberger from Ulfter, Deutschland, 12345. And he says he's great. Oh, he's actually in Ghana. This guy's in Accra.

1:57:01 Greg Zachary's friend in Ghana, West Africa, and DSC plus NAS listener since day one. And he's the one that we talked about before. Zachary is the professor at ASU who hates our show. That's the only way to put it. I mean, I'm friends with him, but he hates the show. And I know why he hates the show, it's because it actually is a show. He can't get a show himself. Baron Hulksbergen in Zandam, Netherlands, 111-11. He's the Baron of the Alps.

1:57:39 Jamie or James, one of the two, in Plano, Texas. And these were just put in by the, this may have been put in by me, so it's James in Plano, Texas, 1111. Christopher Cornwell in Hamtramck, if that's truly the name of a city, $100 in Michigan. He's got a birthday thing coming up. He's a douchebag. Give him a de-douching. No, of course. You've been de-douched. Chris Tangus doll in Norway $100 and he Thanks for putting all this work. He says sadly I started driving to work instead of taking the bus I started driving to work instead of taking the bus it takes my commute from 35 minutes away to down to 15 Go back to the bus show go back to the bus and send the savings to us on the bus Gus

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2:04:03 With that said, I want to point out, according to my calculations, okay, he's got a calculation. First and foremost, thank you for your courage, everyone, for your indispensable media deconstruction and analysis. I'm not sure where I would be. I used to spend quite a bit of time watching everyone's favorite purveyor of water filters, Seed Vault 1776 belt buckles. I got to get me one of those. I forgot about the belt buckles. uh... would you read it over the last year you two of both taught me to actually listen to what is being said and break it down for myself

2:04:39 And for that I'm very grateful. My most recent donation should put me 33 cents over the knighthood level. If I may, I'd like to be named Sir Steve Marchi, Paladin of the Light. Is that on the list here? Yes it is. Okay, yes it is. With that said, I'm going to need to call out a few of my friends as douchebags again. Ready? Ready with the button? I'm ready with the button. First and foremost is Pete. DOOSHBAG! He attempted to hit me in the mouth a few times and thankfully the last one stuck. It's time to get that knighthood, Pete. And the rest of the douchebags, Rob, DOOSHBAG! Jack, DOOSHBAG! And Eric, DOOSHBAG!

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2:07:59 We're working on that for you, Fry. Yeah, Amy Goodman's vocal fry is over the top. It's getting bad. It's really bad. It's almost as though she can't talk. How about some Agenda 21 stuff? Always love some Agenda 21 stuff. First, Bill Nye the Climate Guy—I'm sorry, Science Guy—Bill Nye the Climate Guy was paid $35,000 for the commencement speech at Rutgers University.

2:08:54 This is, of course, he's sending these young, young impressionable minds on their journey into society and a lifelong of debt burden hanging off of their shoulders, certainly from Rutgers. I have a little bit of the commencement speech which one of our producers recorded. I don't know if it's audible enough. I was able to hear it okay. I'll let you know. And of course he's talking about climate denial, etc. Do you believe that it's a conspiracy of healthcare professionals that is duping the world into believing that cigarette smoking causes cancer? The scientific consensus on climate change is at least as strong as the consensus on smoking. Climate change is a real deal, so hey, deniers, cut it out! Let's get to work! Let's get to work, deniers! The students cheer him.

2:10:16 He says, by the way, or BTW is all the hip kids say. What an idiot. Article one, section eight of the US Constitution stipulates that Congress shall promote the progress of science and the useful arts. That was interesting. Article one, what do you say? Section eight? Congress shall promote the useful I should look that up. Application of science and the arts. Yeah. It's alright. Don't see them. Same as STEM. No. Alright, hold on. Science is in! Science! I've got more. Okay, you have the Obama stuff. Yeah, of course I've got the Obama stuff. I got the best, but you gotta let me run mine first. Okay. Just one. Alright.

2:11:13 Obama and Coast Guard that one. Well, I got two. I know you said just one. So which one do you want? I don't want that. I'd let's see where I can't see where they are It says Obama and Coast Guard to oh, yeah, I don't want to you want one. That's one Hello, President Obama today issued a warning to the newest members of the US Coast Guard. He says denying climate change amounts to a dereliction of duty Patti reports now from Washington DC It's typical in the U.S. for graduation speeches to have a cheerful, even inspirational tone. After the president addressed the graduates at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy, they did the traditional throwing of their caps in celebration, but the

2:11:55 President's speech gave them less to cheer about. The levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are now higher than they have been in 800,000 years. U.S. President Barack Obama arguing here that global warming is a threat to national security and taking aim at Republicans who say climate change isn't happening. Yeah, that was good. I do have that of course. I like the dereliction of duty. What a scumbag. I have a little more here. Two clips. So if you're a denialist in the Coast Guard, you are a derelict. Derelict of duty, yeah. You should be thrown in the brig. You could be court-martialed. Court-martialed. The brig. Exactly. Globally we could see a rise in climate change refugees. And I guarantee you the Coast Guard will have to respond.

2:12:41 Elsewhere, more intense droughts will exacerbate shortages of water and food. Hey, hold on a second. What, how's the Coast Guard have to, where are they going to be coming from that the Coast Guard's going to get involved in? North, South America, Costa Rica? There's no problem. They got plenty of, you know, water. Citizen, do you question the President when he says he guarantees? Are they going to come over from Africa and they're going to come all the way across the Atlantic to hit the shores here? Citizen, Citizen, Citizen Dvorak, are you questioning the President when he says he guarantees it? I don't think I heard you question the commander in chief, but he says he guarantees it. Wait, something important to mention about this. Throughout his entire speech, and I watched the whole thing, which is why I have two clips,

2:13:40 He consistently says climate change and he is not lying. Climate change is indeed changing the world. It always has. He never... to my recollection in this commencement speech, I don't think he ever said man-made climate change, man-made global warming. He just says climate change. So I'm okay with what he's saying. But we know what he means. Yeah, but no one can ever go back and say you said it. Well, no, he does that. He's really good at that. Smart guy. That way he can say, well, I didn't say that at all. I was just saying climate change. I didn't say anything. Of course, you know, this is what, you know, we already heard this from, who's that douchebag from the New York Times who did the, that documentary, the columnist. Which douchebag? Yeah, right. The one with the mustache, the round head. Oh, Tom.

2:14:33 Tom Tom. What's his name? Friedman. Yeah, Friedman. This was this is his thing and the president's taking this now. This is the conflicts we see around the world. Yet what we also know is that severe drought helped to create the instability in Nigeria that was exploited by the terrorist group Boko Haram. It's now believed that drought and crop failures and high food prices helped fuel the early unrest in Syria. Oh. which descended into civil war in the heart of the Middle East. Oh, so increasingly our military and our combatant command, our services, including the Coast Guard, will need to factor climate change into plans and operations because you need to be ready. Yeah. And then the other clip probably includes that 800000. So I'll leave that. But it's again, the 15 years, the most warmest. It's all now. It's all happening. And well, yeah, we should play because he says it's true. It's fact. There's no denying it.

2:15:19 The science is more than in. What about the 30,000 scientists who signed the document that were all bonafide? That's your 2%. Climate change will impact every country on the planet. No nation is immune. So I'm here today to say that climate change constitutes a serious threat to global security, an immediate risk to our national security. And make no mistake, it will impact how our military defends our country. And so we need to act and we need to act now. Yeah, yeah science is indisputable indisputable. That's the new one. It's indisputable. That's a new one. Mm-hmm Carbon dioxide which traps heat and the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are now higher than they have been in 800,000 years Get enough of it. That's right because we have measurements. Yeah, I

2:16:18 The planet is getting warmer. I'd like to know what the numbers were for 792,000 years ago at noon. Oh, you're such a Republican. 14 of the 15 hottest years on record have been in the past 15 years. That's a lie. That's a lie. We know NASA says it's possibly 35% kind of. We're not sure. 1997 was the hottest year. That's right. It's been cool. Already today in Miami and Charleston streets now flood at high tide. Well, good. Surfing. Something to wash the damn streets. Along our coasts, thousands of miles of highways and roads, railways, energy facilities. Thousands of miles. Are all vulnerable. Vulnerable. We have listeners in Charleston. Are you telling me, you Charleston producer, that your streets are flooded at high tides routinely? Yep, I'm sure it is. It's estimated that a... I want to hear from our producers. Further increase in sea level of just one foot.

2:17:16 By the end of this century, it could cost our nation $200 billion. Oh, ChucktownK underscore K says, I live in Charleston. It's below sea level. Interesting point. Interesting point. Thank you. Let's go back. Yeah, let's go back. Duh. No wonder. In Miami and Charleston, streets now flood at high tide. And Chucktown underscore K says, it's always flooded when it rains. Always. And I think Chucktown's been around for possibly 800,000 years. Along our coasts, thousands of miles of highways and roads, railways, energy facilities are all vulnerable. It's estimated that a further increase in sea level of just one foot by the end of this century could cost our nation $200 billion. It's been said of life on the sea. Now, this is my favorite. The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The realist

2:18:21 Adjusts the sale climate change is real. It's real. It's real. It's real Alrighty nice. Yeah, okay. I got one clip. That's got a little factoid in that I have not been able to confirm And I'd like somebody out there to confirm it for me and not by telling me about some operation. That's under sea level So this is my clip Which clip is it? It's the two. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know you wanted to explain number two. Okay, yo, here we go. President Obama is calling climate change a threat to the nation's ability to defend itself. He addressed graduates at the US Coast Guard. Wet bullets. Wet bullets? Yeah, you flood the place, the bullets get wet and they don't fire right.

2:19:05 Let me rewind this clip now. I want to hear what's going on. This is funny. President Obama is calling climate change a threat to the nation's ability to defend itself. He addressed graduates at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy in New London, Connecticut today, and he cited everything from crop losses that feed conflict to rising sea levels that swamp naval bases. I'm here today to say that climate change constitutes a serious threat to global security. That's right. What naval bases, although they're naval bases so they're on the water, have been flooded? I don't know. Swamped. What naval base? I'm just wondering, anybody out there have a naval base for me that because of climate change it can be directly attributable? I have a view out the window here of the bay, San Francisco Bay, which is hooked to the ocean. So if the ocean goes up, the bay goes up. And there's a mud flat out here and it's still here. It hasn't changed an inch.

2:20:03 Hold on a second, I have to blow my nose. To blow the coke out. There we go. But okay. Yeah. Oh, it's... This is futile, John. It's futile. It's futile for us. It's just funny. I like the 800,000 years. Well, there was one little factoid that was on one of the reports because this report about him giving this speech to the Coast Guard was everywhere. And one report says that of all the nations in the world, only the United States is pretty skeptical about this assertion. I thought that was a plus.

2:20:41 We have, this is definitely part of Agenda 21 where it is being recommended that we eat bugs. Bugs, bugs, bugs. I caught... Tastes like poop. I caught a... Never again, not amusing. Crickets are lovely. This was on CNBC. The CEO of a company called Impossible Foods. Impossible Foods. And I just want to play this. This is, of course, this all comes around to climate change and man-made global warming. A little setup of what Impossible Foods is doing as they are creating new kinds of meat that isn't meat or maybe it's meat. I don't know. These very, these very, they've raised $70 million and some of the investors will surprise you or maybe not. Our challenge was to make a product

2:21:43 that would appeal to the hardcore meat lover. Which is apparently a bad thing now. A bad hardcore meat lover. The hardcore meat lover, to me, seems like a person that would love meat. Yeah. Correct. The hardcore meat lover would love meat, so we want to give everything to the hardcore meat lover. I'm reminded of a... that this is a kind of tech newsy. I'm reminded there was WordStar when it was the dominant word processor. You probably remember those days. Yes, I do. They came out with a word processor, I think it was called EZ, and it didn't use any of the WordStar commands. It was all... it was just dumb.

2:22:24 and their sales pitch for it was, this is the word processor for people who hate computers. Huh. Now I'm thinking if they hate computers, they don't give a crap about a word processor. They hate computers. They're not having a computer. These people are hardcore meat eaters. They're not going to eat this crap. They're going to eat New York steak. Yeah. I'm marketing geniuses are out there. Well, these are professors. And I consider myself to be a meat gobbler. Our challenge was to make a product that would appeal to the hardcore meat lover. And that's a completely different problem from making a veggie burger. We wanted to have a product that would deliver all the pleasures that people get from eating meat. What are the pleasures from eating meat?

2:23:20 I think a lot of it has to do with the texture of the meat and the flavor. Without any of the baggage, no cholesterol, antibiotics, hormones, E. coli. Not eating meat that's got E. coli. A true meat lover does. Meat lovers love E. coli and cholesterol and hormones. Yeah. And so we spent Basically at this point almost four years with a group of Now about 70 of really the best scientists in the world Figuring it out was hard making is actually relatively simple process we use I want you to listen to what he's saying here and tell me I know I'm gonna get disgusted

2:24:02 simple ingredients from plants that you could pretty much find in your local supermarket, but exactly how we do it, the choices we make and how we assemble it is special. That's a proprietor. I mean you've raised a lot of money, 70 plus million dollars, right? Can you tell us just a couple of the plants that are in there? The main one? Well, in this particular burger, one of the plants is spinach. We isolate not green stuff but a key protein that's in spinach leaves. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow, he says, Joe Kernan. Wow, wow, this is fantastic.

2:24:58 I mean how does it work? No, it's not really re-engineering molecules. Every molecule in our burger, let's put it this way, is something found in nature. He's not actually going to tell us, but in the second one we will hear who the investors are. You can kind of already guess. I mean you've got people that are, you know, like Bill Gates and then you've got big food companies that are also... Yeah, Bill Gates and big food companies are invested in this outfit. So interested at this point in utilizing this and we're hearing more and more not just about health concerns but I don't know... Wait for it! Carbon dioxide related problems with growing... Now wait for the new stats here John. These are new statistics about...

2:25:37 the horrible things of meat. It's using more than a third of every square inch of land on the planet. That's an area bigger than North and South America combined. For animal farming. Just for animal farming, and it's growing rapidly because of the increasing demand in Asia. It uses a third of all the water that's used by humans. It's actually an amount of water that's equivalent to 4,000 glasses of water for every person on Earth every day goes into raising animals.

2:26:25 Four thousand glasses of water. Cow farts killing us. There's been a lot of these types of... Comparisons. Water comparisons. Water comparisons. And it's been being thrown at the public at a rapid fire rate. We've been playing clips like this for about a month now, maybe longer, and they're all the same. They're trying to... They're trying to eliminate livestock, which in many cases is necessary for certain kinds of property or wetlands, not wetlands, but certain kinds of areas where the grass is... There's a long lecture that the meat companies used to give about how they tamp down the soil and it keeps erosion back and it gets plants started and you have to eat this grass or it gets too tall and catches on fire. I think it's all connected. There's a JP Morgan report.

2:27:15 that came out, the report was called The Tragedy of the American Farmer. The Kansas City Fed has warned that farmers are in financial dire straits with a potential for liquidity crunch for farmers well into 2016. So, we're being pushed towards, well, first it's bugs. It's the soil and green is what we're going to push. Ultimately, we're going to be eating each other. And that is a solution. Nigerian restaurants shut down for serving human flesh, I've reported. Yeah, surprised they shut them down. Yeah, it might be really tasty. It's supposed to taste like pork.

2:27:55 That's why in some cultures that eat human flesh are called long pig. What cultures eat human flesh? Well, I mean, I think New Guinea still does and I think perhaps some natives in South America probably do, obviously in Nigeria. I don't want to move over to Euro land for a moment. You know, it's important things coming out of there as well. Tomorrow, I think there's a big referendum coming up in Ireland. Of course, Ireland, very Catholic. And this will be very interesting to watch. For centuries, the moral authority of the Catholic Church in Ireland was absolute. The faithful here in rural county Limerick still turn out for weekday mass. But after months of debate ahead of Friday's referendum, a different Ireland has been reflected. An Ireland in which, if the polls are to be believed, voters could choose to write same-sex marriage into Ireland's constitution.

2:28:54 Who would have thought that the first country in the world poised to grant same-sex couples full legal equality in a direct popular vote would be Catholic Ireland? Of course there's by no means universal consent and on Friday there'll be fierce resistance from places like this. A yes vote will be catastrophic for this country because it's going to impact so much on the family. I only have one beef and that is about anything, two men. Here's what I would like to know. So this referendum is being held tomorrow in Ireland.

2:29:51 Now, I have no idea which way it's going to go. But if Ireland votes down gay marriage, I demand as a user of the products that Apple pull out of Ireland altogether. And if Tim Cook doesn't, then he's a fake gay. That's a good one. Yeah, something like that could happen. And Apple, of course, is very dependent on Ireland. I think they put a lot of...I think they got a lot of their money cashed in over there. So they don't have to pay taxes to the public that buys their products. Well, I got something. Okay, here's the one that...I thought this was interesting. And to remind people out there, we are all in on the idea that was given to us from somebody else's report that we're setting

2:30:43 Iran up to actually build nukes. So they can rubbleize the area and get everybody into a buying spree to buy weaponry, and then Saudi Arabia and Iran can get into a fight and blow each other up. I was thinking about that today as I was putting these two clips together. And one of the things I was thinking is that maybe the reason for pushing and pushing and pushing wind power and all the other alternative energy sources, plus drilling from fracking and doing all sorts to get ourselves ready for an exchange of bombs in the Middle East that destroys the oil fields. That's long-term strategies, long-term thinking. But we'd be ready. We'd be one of the few countries that could probably survive the end of Middle Eastern oil.

2:31:31 And if you notice, a lot of the stuff about the oil in this, they're always bitching, oh, we're gonna build a terminal, the Keystone Pipeline's gonna send oil down to the Gulf so they can ship it out. We demand that all the oil that we produce in the United States only be used in the United States. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to rubble ice! All right. So I've got these two clips that kind of like back up the thesis because the first one doesn't really It doesn't sound like a good thing that's going to happen for these negotiations with Iran. Play Iran on nuke inspections. Islamic State militants seized an ancient city in central Syria today, raising fears they'll destroy Roman ruins. The target was Palmyra, which is famed

2:32:19 with 2000 year old temple, theater and colonnades. Meanwhile in Iraq, government troops said they fought off an attack near Ramadi as ISIS tries to consolidate gains there. Iran's supreme leader has laid down a new red line in nuclear talks with world powers. Ayatollah Khamenei spoke at a military academy today and insisted... Did she say Khamenei? That's the new guy's name. Isn't it Khomeini? Is it Khamenei? I think it's Khamenei and that's the guy who took over from Bakhtar. Ayatollah Khamenei spoke at a military academy today and insisted inspectors will never interview Iran's nuclear scientists. No wise person in the world would allow that.

2:33:02 They hide their scientists and even keep their names confidential. The rude and shameless enemy expects us to make the way open for them to come here and talk and negotiate with our scientists. Such permission will, under no circumstances, be given. Khamenei also rejected giving inspectors access to military sites. The nuclear talks are underway in Vienna with a deadline of June 30th. That doesn't sound promising. Not at all. And then part two comes up and this little thing I think is not part of that story but it's part of the big story which would be the rebelization. In another development Iran moved to avert a confrontation at sea with Saudi Arabia. The Tehran

2:33:44 government said that it will not send a shipload of humanitarian aid directly to Yemen. Instead, the ship will go to Djibouti for a UN inspection. From there, it would sail to a Yemeni port controlled by Shiite rebels. The Saudis have warned against any effort to send arms to the rebels. I'm shocked, shocked to find out that rebelization is going on here. This all does not bode well for the area. And also, well, I was reading a report that once if any of this happens properly, if it all comes through, Iran will be supplying Europe with crude oil once again. We control all of that. It's so obvious to us, I guess. And this Ash Carter guy, he's a piece of work.

2:34:40 He is really ramping up the propaganda, which maybe I should remind people that that is now legal. Oh, by the way, I want to correct myself. The Khamenei guy is the supreme leader. It's Rouhani who is the president. OK, so replace it. I was saying Khomeini. OK. I want to remind everybody the Smith-Mundt Act was overturned, was repealed in the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, which changed the media landscape. The Broadcast Board of Governors now may fund propaganda anywhere in the world, even if it reaches citizens of the United States, which was heretofore forboden. So, Hash Carter is really, really big on this.

2:35:25 propaganda stuff and I have two clips. One, unprecedented, we had, I think this was CNN, this is very, very, and if, um, at face value you're gonna believe what you hear, but to me it sounds so, so, uh, buh. incredible, incredulous perhaps. So CNN goes on this super Navy flight, which no media has ever been allowed to go on this airplane. This is the Pegasus something or other that, you know, the surveils everything. And now the Chinese in the Sea of China, and the Chinese are building these man-made islands, they're building them up and they're building bases.

2:36:07 And this, and you know, and you're going to hear why I think the whole story is bullcrap, but they did a good job with the setup as the Chinese are starting to become very scary. High above the South China Sea, the radio crackles with a stern warning. You go source of dispute appears on the horizon seemingly out of nowhere Islands man-made by China hundreds of miles from its coastline CNN got exclusive access to classified US surveillance flights over the islands

2:36:50 The first time journalists have been allowed on an operational mission by the state-of-the-art P-8A Poseidon. Yeah, and you think that was just because they didn't want to convey a message? America's most advanced surveillance and sub-hunting aircraft. So we've just arrived on station now above the three islands that are the targets of today's mission. It's these three islands that have been the focus of China's building in the South China Sea over recent years. China's alarming creation of entirely new territory in the South China Sea is one part of a broader military push that some fear is to challenge US dominance in the region. In a sign of just how valuable China views them, the new islands are already well protected.

2:37:32 obviously a lot of surface traffic down there. Chinese warships, Chinese Coast Guard ships. We heard the proof the Chinese Navy ordering the P8 out of the airspace not once not twice, but eight times on this mission. Now, so you heard that at the beginning and I've never heard a shittier VHF broadcast with a buzz in it and everything. And these are this is supposed to be Chinese. Navy who are yelling on frequency. Please go away quickly. Like the surveillance videos, the audio of these warnings never before shared with the public.

2:38:11 Now, I'm sorry. So the Chinese Navy is broadcasting go away American military on the civilian aviation frequencies? Come on.

2:38:49 Come on, you go far fetched and I'll play the beginning again because now you know what it's about you go High above the south China Sea the radio crackles with a stern warning You go Malik and Yankee go home I'm so but well that may relate to such a clip. Oh, I have two more. It's okay good This was I thought was peculiar is a very short clip good, but I thought it was odd. This is the North Korean disinvite. Oh, okay

2:39:31 Okie dokie. North Korea has canceled an invitation for UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to visit. Pyongyang has not given an official reason for the cancellation. Ban is in his native South Korea meeting with senior officials. He was supposed to visit the Kaesong factory complex in North Korea. The plan's a cooperative venture between South and North, and is the last such major project to be run by both sides. Did you read the news about Kim Jong-un has now executed more people? Oh, it's on a rampage. I have to read this to you. Of course, Daily Mail, who are great at this kind of stuff.

2:40:11 Kim Jong-un has continued his ruthless purge of top-ranking officials with another raft of executions, this time over their failure to give soldiers more food. In the latest cull, the North Korean despot is said to have ordered the death of his Vice Armed Forces Minister, So Hong-chan, and several others close to him for not following his orders. Kim recently ordered the execution of his chief defense, Pyongyang Choi, who was understood to have fallen asleep during an overly long meeting. It is reported the unfortunate general, that's back to the guy who was killed by anti-aircraft fire, and now he is killing more people to stay in power. And they have no facts, of course.

2:40:58 But the sub headline, Kim Jong-un executed more people using anti-aircraft gun and wild dogs. Yes, yes, yes. So... I like the dog in one. Let's expose two at one. Now we have my favorite news organization run by Thomas Freston, set up by Thomas Freston, Tom Freston, famously the CEO of MTV, who I knew quite well, who started his business career in Afghanistan in import-export. You can make up your own story about that. Vice Magazine, which now turned into Vice, Vice TV, has received unprecedented access to Ash Carter and now the, this, this, what's the guy, Shane, the co-founder? Shane the shit. He is on the, the, uh,

2:41:54 Secretary of Defense's aircraft, and he's interviewing him. And it's so poorly done. Actually, it's done very well because they have a lot of B-roll. They got more of those tanks doing wheelies and doughnuts, I mean. And they've peppered it with all the great vice stuff. And at one point, he even talks about how, you know, while we were embedded with ISIS last year, I mean, it's such propaganda. So it's insulting. And And let us play two clips here from Shane the shit, which is nothing more. I can just see Preston saying, Hey, you know, let's, uh, we did really well with that whole, uh, choose or lose campaign. You know, we can really, we can really help you guys propagate a message and, you know, spend a little bit of money and ads on us and, you know, we'll, we'll work everything out and all let's have Shane, Shane from vice. Let's have him interview Ash.

2:42:53 I know this is embargoed information, but... It's embargoed information, but... I believe that there was a Russian attack on the Pentagon's computer systems recently. I have a few questions about that. A, is that true? B, what was the nature of the attack and how do we know it's coming from Russia? What kind of setup is that, John? Well, there's a couple of things that should be pointed out. Yes. Embargoed information is only embargoed to an individual who has agreed to an embargo. Correct. If he agreed to an embargo, he wouldn't do this because you just don't, because you never get another piece of inside information again in your life, you get a bad reputation.

2:43:32 So he's assuming that it was embargoed to somebody else and he found out about it somehow, which is legal to go on and on about, which means it's in the wild. Once it's in the wild, the embargo is over. It's just bullcrap. There's no reason to say that unless you're trying to impress somebody with nonsense. Or yeah, the viewer. Trying to impress the viewer by saying, well, I've got some embargoed information I'm going to tell you. That's right. Bullcrap. This is all nonsense. Nonsense. I know this is embargoed information, but I believe that there was a Russian attack on on

2:44:23 Do we know why? Right. Right. to be inside of the networks of some of our critical infrastructure protection. So in this case we did what we're supposed to do, which is find out and take remedial action. But it's kind of an indication of the world in which we live. boom, boom, indication. This is bull crap. I mean, anybody who has, anyone in the world can just get, there's, I don't know, dozens, maybe hundreds of VPNs that have servers in Russia, and you can go to Russia through the tunnel, and it's all encrypted, and you go, and you're, for all practical purposes, you're in Russia when you go do something. Could have been a guy in Pennsylvania for all we know. This is meaningless reporting. I feel if

2:45:24 If the way this is presented and if the Secretary of Defense says yes, it originated in Russia, they broke into our network, we should be cyber bombing the shit out of Russia right now. Why aren't we doing anything? What kind of weak pussy are you, Ash? Because this is bullcrap. Exactly. Part two. Oops. What happened? Ah, here it is. Part two. Of course, this all leads up to one thing. We all know what it's about. We have Iran, we have Iraq, we have ISIS, we have Russia, we have all these problems. Where do you rank cyber security in that list? Well, it's pretty high up there because it affects them all. It cuts through all of them. At the level of actual warfare, all of our weapon systems, our ships, our planes, our tanks, they depend upon networks.

2:46:16 to function. Right. So nobody's spending all that money on them. Yes. If you don't have secure networks. When it comes to terrorism, obviously terrorists use networks. They use networks to communicate among themselves. They use networks to advertise themselves. And we use the networks to combat them, detect them. So all over the whole spectrum from traditional state to state conflict down to these shadow wars that we have in today's world. Cyber pervades all that and we've got to be good at it if we're going to protect people across that whole spectrum. You know, when you hear this propaganda that seems so easy, it's actually flabbergasting that douchebag Chris Roberts can't even get a gig. How hard can it be to get a cyber gig?

2:47:09 You gotta be really stupid. There's money flying everywhere. Well yeah, because if you're just an obvious phony, you're not gonna be able to get a gig. You have to have written a book, like what's his name? Morell? Well not Morell, the guy was really deep into this, the gray haired guy who's always around, he's always been, He doesn't know anything about computers, but he's like a cyber nutball these Jeff Jarvis now Here's Mike Morrell on cyber I was a little bit a little bit misunderstood the point I was trying to make is

2:47:50 is that all unclassified email systems are extremely vulnerable, right? The one she used was vulnerable. The State Department's unclassified email system that she was supposed to be using, right? That is vulnerable. My personal email system is vulnerable. CIA's unclassified email system is vulnerable. All these unclassified systems are vulnerable. That's the point I was trying to make. We just learned right a few weeks ago that there were foreign governments inside President Obama's unclassified email. Richard Clark. Dick yes dick dick dick dick I Put into the Google search to get his name. Mm-hmm. That's all I had to do. This is how deep deep gray hair No, Richard cyber. Oh, I came up with the Richard product forgot his last name and there was Cyber war Richard Clark PDF out to check that one out I have one final topic, but I'd like you to give me whatever you got before we go. Oh

2:48:46 A little what? Do you have anything else before we go? I have one more topic. I got charity fraud, which is kind of funny. Oh yeah, this is the NGO story. I like that. Yeah, but there's better stuff. I got, oh, this is a lot. I don't know if we'll save this for the next show, but this is a long package that has so many memes and you don't know really who's behind it, although it's got to be public relations driven because it's a fairly long file that was on NBC Nightly News. Well, you're peaking my curiosity now. No, it's genetic testing. Okay, this will be our last topic. It's a question doctors always ask, do you have a family history of cancer? You might say no, but what if there are cancer genes hidden in your DNA? Tonight, our national correspondent Kate Snow has the story of a woman who accidentally discovered her risk

2:49:35 raising a debate over whether more people should be tested even without a family history. Let me ask you a question. Does this lead into that company with the newest female billionaire that we talked about, Thorason, I think is the name of it, with one little droplet of blood you can detect all these, everything in the world? No, I don't think so. It does lead to a product. It does lead to a woman who cut her breasts off and had most of her guts removed, which is a good touch. And it does lead to an unpaid spokesperson being a spokesperson. And it leads to a bunch of... it's just a lot of roads here. Yeah, let's listen to it. Just let's go. Robin Carlin never thought she had to worry about her DNA. I thought I had great genes.

2:50:19 She was active, healthy, had no known family history of cancer. But five years ago, her tech-savvy 22-year-old son Eli got the results of a consumer DNA test he'd ordered online. They were shocked to learn Eli had an abnormality usually associated with women, a BRCA1 mutation, which dramatically increases the risk of breast and ovarian cancers. Robin got tested and learned she had the mutation too. Her family history had been hidden. She got the mutation from her father and had passed it on to her son. Would your insurance company have covered the test if your son hadn't already taken one? No, they would not. There are strict criteria for

2:50:59 what family history qualifies you and I did not have that family history. Robin isn't alone. Half of the women with BRCA mutations would not meet insurance criteria. If we only offer testing to women who have a family history We'll miss half of the women with mutations. Dr. Mary Claire King thinks every woman over 30 who wants a cancer risk test should be able to get one. Until now, those tests have cost thousands. But a new company called Color Genomics has just begun selling a test for breast and ovarian cancer risk for just $249, which includes genetic counseling. Dr. King is an unpaid advisor.

2:51:39 What we're doing is offering women information that empowers them to save their own lives. But some experts worry the genetic testing business may be growing too fast. I think it's going to be a bit of the Wild West in the coming years. Dr. Robert Green says even specialists don't know what every mutation they find means. We're talking about things which make you a little more likely or sometimes a lot more likely to get a disease but not necessarily for sure. Robin Carlin says for her, The risks were clear. Up to 65% of women with a mutation like hers will get breast cancer and 39% will get ovarian cancer by the time they're 70. Robin made the difficult decision to have a double mastectomy and remove her ovaries and fallopian tubes all because her son took that genetic test.

2:52:28 And Charlie Rose had a follow-up. Tell me about the sexuality. It's in your DNA. Yes, it's in your DNA. Sexuality is in your DNA. Oh man, we're lost. It's a miracle that we're even doing this show. We should, on Sunday, we'll talk about the new regulations for mandatory vaccinations, which of course started in California. Of course. Yeah, of course, all good things come from California. And I shall be back at home base in the crackpot condo Fantastic. Yes, please remember us at Dvorak org slash na It's pretty damn important. I think to keep your no agenda show on the air Yes, we do need a little more help than we got today especially in the producer level Yeah, and we'll have tons tons of tech news. That's a fun tons of fun tons of fun tons of tech news That's right everybody

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