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00:00 What is he talking about? You don't get a time out. Adam Curry, John C. DeVorah. It's Sunday, December 21st, 2014. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 680. This is no agenda. Celebrating the solstice with a moon dance live from FEMA region 6 in the capital of the drone star state Austin Tejas in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I'm under attack by ants This is not the first time this has happened that I can recall on the show right this has happened before

00:38 I may have, sure it happens all the time. I live in California, we're victims of the Argentinian Ant. I remember having this in Los Angeles, remember we had our attack? Yeah. They'd circled the whole house and then all of a sudden, I guess is when the big rains came maybe? Yeah, they don't like being in they don't like being drowned no and then and then they were coming through the light sockets oh, yeah, yeah You'd put something down on the ground like a cup for two seconds, and then it's astonishing how quick they Find something now is this not something that goes all the way from the northwest all the way down to Mexico is this like one big colony this super colony or is this an interesting group that they do not get to watch it's an interesting

01:23 interesting group, these ants. Well, it's because it's the only variety of ant that doesn't fight amongst themselves. So they're part of one giant collective hive. Most ants, if one hive sees another, they go into war and try to kill each other. But if, like, for example, you wipe out a nest of these things and there's a bunch of stragglers and they go find another nest, they're welcomed. So these like commie ants yes, they're communist dance No wonder they're all over California, and what do they got their Argentinian? That's what they're called yeah, they're Argentinian ants well. You can look them up. Yeah fine. They're annoying very annoying Yes, but you think they get it to get it in their heads that they can do you know be somewhere do something they it takes days to get rid of them, okay? Why don't we just wrap this up? How do you get rid of them John?

02:15 Well, you vacuum them up as fast as you can. You block their entrance. I use ant block with poison before I see them coming in. Of course, then they move and they start coming in someplace else. You just keep doing that. One of the things I've learned recently, which is kind of gruesome, but it works, is you get one of the, this is good information for people on the coast or anyone who's confronted by these ants, you get a scriptolighter A scripto lighter, yeah. One of those lighters, those little lighter guns that they use at barbecues. Oh yeah. And find a bunch of these ants and you fry them. Well you gotta have the flamethrowing scripto version. Yeah, yeah. You fry all, as many ants as you can, everyone you see moving, you fry them all and leave them there. Yeah, so they send off a stench and a message. No, no, they get picked up. Oh.

03:05 dead ants, the Argentinian ants are interesting because they used to build most of their ant hills. They used their own dead compatriots. My goodness, John, what an education I'm receiving here. The Middle Ages used to do that with human skulls and stuff. In fact, there's a church in Spain that's made out of skulls. I think we do that in Corpus Christi still. That wouldn't surprise me. Anyway, so they take it and when they get the ones back that have been burnt to a crisp, they send out the word and say, uh-oh, this isn't good. And then they just disappear. You don't see them again for weeks. Wow. Anyway, well this is this is as long as they're not in the in the in the kitchen cabinets once that happens then you're in deep shit. Well, that's the time to get there. The problem is you gotta be careful you don't catch the house on fire, you know, burning these ants because you like right now they're all paperwork I can't do it. But we have terminics take care of all this for us in LA. Oh yeah, but they don't keep the problem with

03:57 the professionals is that I don't think they really, for one thing, they're all high school drop. No offense. I know there's a couple of this show, but a lot of them don't give a damn and they just assume kill you. Now, I was fine, fine, fine. All right. So you're in a bad mood, clearly. Would you be in a bad mood? You had ants crawling all over. I have so much. Yeah, I can be in a bad mood, but I'm not going to be. In fact, I'm in a bad mood for a different reason. May I? OK, hit it. This past week, twice, and the week before that, I go on Facebook, which as you know I don't do regularly, but I do at least every 48 hours I'll check in. And again, it's two people I know who are dead.

04:46 And this is so depressing. Matthew Hennessey, who worked at my company in New York, Think New Ideas, and he'd moved to the Austin area, I don't know how long ago, and when I arrived here, and Matt's 41, 42, was, and he's like, hey man, it's Adam, good to have you here, and I went to Facebook. He said, yeah, we should have a drink. I'm like, yeah, definitely. Yeah, Matt was a good guy. So, you know, I figured we'll do that one day. And then in your timeline shows, oh, well, he's dead. What? Yeah. And well, I get to how old was he? Forty one. So, you know, it's not right. No. Then we have Celeste Rufo. Now, we already lost Warren Cooker, Warren Cucurulo. There were two camera people at MTV, Warren and Celeste. And Warren died of they probably both died of lung cancer because they were we were all smokers back in the we'd be smoking in the studio before we do a segment on.

05:40 put this put this cigarette down. Warren died two years ago and Celeste, who was an Emmy award-winning camera woman, went on after MTV to do a lot of incredible stuff. But you know it's like when somebody who for seven or eight years you've looked at them looking at you and you build up a very strange relationship but it is a bond of some sorts And then it's like, oh, well, Celeste is dead. 62. Now here's the thing that pisses me off. One, I open up Facebook, all I get is dead people. This is the- fuck this. This is annoying. Two, you never find out what happened, because that's what you want to say. Shoot! What happened? What happened? How did they die? But of course, everyone's too polite and doing RIPs, I'll miss you. I want to know what happened.

06:30 And then of course I sit down and go, should I just type in like, will somebody please tell me what happened? Did you do that? Did you type in and express this thought? Kind of. Kind of? So wait a minute. So you're complaining about the politeness and then you go polite. No, I went unpolite actually. And I even posted, I want to hold hands with everybody now and tell a secret. Well, yeah, and then everyone thinks I'm a dick of course, but I really want to say what think you're a dick because you didn't do RIP. You're not respectful RIP RIP RIP And and and I realize that you know I'm 50 now who knows how long it's I hope I live to be like my grandparents 98 that would be great and I could be really tends to be genetic hunchbacked over But I'll have all my hair and I'll be kind of make sure you have a cane that you can lift up those skirts Yes, I guess a very very very good tip Thank you Thank you for this tip John C. DeVore. Yes, the C stands for cane and now we know

07:33 It's becoming a good thing. Let's see that she is very it's it's very yes. It's very But I'd here's what I here's what I realized That's it when I die no matter when it is. They'll be R.I.P. a slew of R.I.P. Oh Dana Miller. Did I tell you Dana Miller died? Who's Dana Miller? Dana Miller was my radio syndicator and Dana was he his boyfriend died, you know 25 years ago of AIDS and Dana became this huge AIDS activist ran the Elton John AIDS Foundation the AIDS Project Los Angeles and Dana

08:09 And he was also a, but he was a manager, like Rick Springfield, Corey Hart, but also the, you know, Andy Gibb, like a real death around Dana all the time. Everybody with Dana just died eventually. But he was a very strong force. Dana like 62 62 seems to be the yeah and and No one everyone around Dana dies Dana doesn't die these ants are dying. That's for sure And so anyway, I realized that's what it's gonna be I'm gonna die one day and it'll be no sir. No one will care by the time I'm dead No, I will just be just be a thread on Facebook Rip RIP RIP. Oh boy

08:55 I joined Facebook just to say this, RIP. And then everybody posts pictures of the dead people. Well, remember this one? Yeah, remember this one? And then someone will come in and say, I just want to say right now, I love all of you. But nobody wants to talk about the method or the rationale or the reason for the death, how he died, you know, a slow, miserable death, tortured by terrorists, nothing. No, nothing. And then no one's honest, of course. You know, no one's honest. Though it's a maybe it's like a week. I said yeah, I know there's been instances where somebody died and you say to yourself Jesus was about time that prick I Mean, that's what you think I mean, what can you say? I mean that would seem to be something if you were being honest you that it has to happen with a number of people now so I'm now completely Pissed off with this and I call me no more Facebook. Let me go to Twitter and

09:53 And then I see... Now I've seen everything. I see a photo with the caption, Perfect Rainy Day Breakfast. Egg, roasty-style potatoes, and English bangers. Posted by AtTheRealDvorak. You are now a Food Social Network tweeter. Yeah, I've decided. This is ruining everything. Knowing that this irked you to no extreme, you know what that means. Yeah, more of this? Well, I have, like, it's curious because JC started the idea, he started taking pictures of all the dinners.

10:36 This is so wrong. Your food looks like crap. It's hard to make food look good. The bangers look undercooked. The egg is burnt on the edges. The roast looks kind of good. You put ketchup on it to ruin the taste. No, no, no. Ketchup and potatoes are American way. That's true. And the roast is roasty, whatever it is. Yeah, the egg is cooked hot, so I get a nice crispy little edge around it. Did you actually? No, because she would say, whatever it is, you're gonna bitch about it. So it doesn't mean anything. My opinion is useless, it totally is. He started taking pictures of all the dinners, and so I took a few of my, he says, I said, what are you doing? He says, I'm taking pictures of the food.

11:18 It's time for this kid to get his own apartment. He says that he studied this. He says if you want to get more followers, you want lots of pictures of food. He's documented this. Oh, that's interesting. Because I got to get over the over the hill here. I'm stuck at 99000 followers. I need to go to like 100. Well, if you block, if you unblocked a couple people, maybe your count would go up. I doubt it. I think I think that does that doc from your account if you block? Yeah, once you block me, you could actually block- You could be at 200,000 if you unblock everybody. Oh, right. So anyway, so I've decided I'm gonna follow suit and start posting pictures of food with maybe some food tips. Sad, very sad. Well, the food tips will be good. All right. The good news is I found out that at Universal Studios, they have- Now, Universal Studios, the tour, if you've never been on it, it's changed a lot over the years.

12:17 You can get out of you. You don't have to sit in the stupid bus the whole time you mean it probably you don't to sit in it at all if you don't want to But you know Megatron Megatron is he is he a trans? Talking about Universal Studios in Los Angeles. Yes. Yes I am so the one in Florida and Orlando is just like this might you might as well be at Disneyland, okay? Megatron Megatron is Megatron not busy a Transformer or is he one of the yes? Yes, it's a transformer. Yeah, so they have a dude in a Megatron suit and And he is on a crusade against selfies. And it's consistent. So here's this girl, she runs up in front of Megatron and you know, selfie! And listen to what he then does. You gotta see the video actually, it's even cooler because the guy is in the suit like freaking out behind her. Selfie!

13:09 You will not receive a selfie so long as you stand before me with your ridiculous furred hoodie. When will you learn that your status updates mean zero to nothing to anyone? It doesn't matter which social network you posted on. Worthless! Use your mind, create new memories, interact. Don't just add it to a library of forgotten photographs. Okay. How disappointing your generation is. Bye. Bye. It's good. How disappointing your generation is. Yeah, exactly. That little sub clip is what you should say for an evergreen. How disappointing your generation is. Yeah, I tried to isolate it but it doesn't really work very well. No, no.

14:06 But I like that and there's always a backup gig for me, I guess. Yeah, no, I think so. Exactly, you could probably do that same rant. Be the Megatron man. Well, you have your own version of it. Marika. Marika. Marika. I intended to say Marika, but yeah. No, I meant Marika. Marika, I know you meant Marika. Hey, John, do you know that we are from the future, you and I? Well me more than you but sometimes you know I bring you along on my future travels. Oh yeah and what happened what's the latest from the future? Well I want to take us back to episode 677 of the best podcast in the universe that was uh so what's that now two weeks ago? Was it? 77. What number are we on? We're at 80 so that's three yeah almost two weeks ago. Okay. And here is what uh we talked we were talking about um

15:06 Oh, we were talking about Uncle Don and how he agreed that South Korea, we are performing a sales job on South Korea since they are now going to be responsible for their own defense, their own OPSEC. And we were kind of laughing about how we create all these reasons for countries and I guess companies to be worrisome and it's a sales job. Everything we do is a sales job to sell more weapons, right? Exactly. That's what we do. To address the threat of some sort. I mean, the president is essentially... Somebody pointed... I pointed... I was back and forth in an email with somebody and

15:53 They came they just said well, I don't understand why the Why the oh, I know that I know that voice I know this guy this was it the Chinese who bought all these Russian reactor India Oh, I didn't general electric makes reactors. How come they didn't sell these reactors? Why is Russia get this 24 reactor contractor? She brewable I'd say and I well the besides I think that was preachy brewable now It's just a better deal, but they'll do it deal in dollars anyway ironically yeah And I said, well, because these deals, these sort of deals are done by this chief sales guy who is either Obama or Putin. Putin was there, you know, doing the deal to get this contract signed because that's what they do. Yes. The president of the United States is the CEO of the military industrial complex. Yes, literally. It's his job to close these deals in one way or another. They call him the chief executive.

16:50 Yeah, he's the chief executive. All right. So here we were talking about this in relation to South Korea. And this is before the big Sony news. This is just us talking about South Korea and of course, the keeping North Korea dangerous is part of the sales job to address the threats from the Korean Peninsula. This kind of tells you that at least for the next period that is now being financed, I presume the bill's going to pass, we will see North Korea being very, very dangerous and us helping ourselves and our allies. Can you mention South Korea?

17:28 You're playing a clip. Yes, I am playing a clip. Yeah. Yeah, well you have to say something. I said we're playing a clip. Yeah, you said that but then you never... the transition was vague and so it sounded like you were just still talking. That's how good the quality of these audio is on our show. I'm so sorry. So I'm listening to you saying this is funny. He said this exact same thing. What's he leading up to? Why is he doing this again? I'm actually leading up to you having the punchline. Right, okay now start the clip now. The whole, okay, over again and I'll do a way, I'll separate it. to address the threats from the Korean peninsula. This kind of tells you that at least for the next period that is now being financed, I presume the bill's going to pass, we will see North Korea being very, very dangerous and us helping ourselves and our allies, Japan and the Republic of Korea, with some sales.

18:24 You know, you have to kind of feel sorry for the North Koreans because they're a punching bag. They're being vilified as a sales mechanism. Well, isn't that what the whole axis of evil was to start with? Well, it looks like it in hindsight. There you go. We called it. Yeah, of course. I'd forgotten about it. Oh. Completely forgotten about it. Well, I haven't forgotten about the other angle that we're seeing here, which is... Well, your angle is right on the money, John. Like, completely right on the money. The angle of getting everybody to sign on to the cyber-sharing bill. And the president signed five bills in the middle of the night. The ones we discussed. All about the sharing, but even better than that, he just came out and said it!

19:25 Did you see this whole year-ender thing that he did? I have the two clips. Okay, I have a couple clips too, so I'll take yours. Let me do my two. I try to cut them down as much as I can, then I have a couple other clips that are kind of interesting side clips. Yeah. But, well here's the clip of... I want to play this clip first and make a comment on it. This is the Obama, we do not need two-bit dictators telling us what to do. So, You know, that's not who we are. That's not what America is about. Again, I'm sympathetic that Sony as a private company was worried about liabilities and this and that and the other. I wish they'd spoken to me first. I would have told them, do not get into the

20:20 a pattern in which you're intimidated by these kinds of criminal attacks. Imagine if instead of it being a cyber threat, somebody had broken into their offices and destroyed a bunch of computers and stolen disks and Did you and this clip he rolls off to goes off the rail with this clip? Yes. Did you also see? Sony CEO Michael Linton's response. No, I didn't I have this it's a little longer than what you just did But the whole thing is great and there's something very fascinating Okay, very beginning of this president says Sony made a mistake. I

21:04 And by the way Sony rebutted earlier in in print that they had contacted the I think they said the CIA which is interesting since the FBI came out with the Analysis and the weak forensics, but they said we were in touch with the authorities from day one So that's not true that they didn't contact anybody pulling the film. Did you make a mistake? No, I I think actually the unfortunate part is is in this instance the president, the press, and the public are mistaken as to what actually happened. We do not own movie theaters. We cannot determine whether or not a movie will be played in movie theaters. So, to sort of rehearse for a moment the sequence of events. Now this was very interesting when I heard him say this.

21:56 This is how Media training and PR can go awry, and I didn't notice it until I heard the clip I was watching the video first instead of saying to review the timeline He says let's rehearse the timeline. Yeah, I heard that too Which is interesting which to me means that he was rehearsed and someone said okay? Let's rehearse the timeline again. Oh, don't you think? I'd like to believe that's what he's... but he's in the business of using words wrong, you know? Okay, that's his business. It's quite possible that he just doesn't know the right word. Movie theaters. We cannot determine whether or not a movie will be played in movie theaters. So...

22:42 to sort of rehearse for a moment the sequence of events. We experienced the worst cyber attack in American history. Pfft, okay. I don't know about that. That's dubious. Shelly Adelson might have a different view of that as his casino where they stole millions of dollars and shut down his operations. And we don't know how many banks or it's wrong. Who knows? This is totally... But it's rehearsed. Persevered for three and a half weeks under enormous stress and by the way I have people on the inside and have a couple emails to share the network is still down inside Sony people's machine desktop machines are still have the the the the the desktop GOP image which of course is easy to deploy if you're in an IT environment an enormous difficulty and

23:32 and all with the effort of trying to keep our business up and running and get this movie out into the public. Oh, yes. When it came to the crucial moment, when a threat came out from what was called the GOP at the time, threatening audiences who would go to the movie theaters, the movie theaters came to us one by one over the course of a very short period of time, we were completely surprised by it, and announced that they would not carry the movie. At that point in time, we had no alternative but to not proceed with the theatrical release on the 25th of December. And that's all we did. So you have not caved in your view? We have not caved, we have not given in, we have persevered, and we have not backed down.

24:23 We have always had every desire to have the American public see this movie. You are well known as somebody who supported President Obama. Yes. Were you disappointed in what you heard today? I would be fibbing to say I wasn't disappointed. I the notion that it was a mistake. It's a generally held view by the public and the press that that's what happened and maybe that's how that view was held by him. But knowing as I do the facts and how they've unfolded, you know, we stood extremely firm in terms of making certain that this movie would appear in movie theaters. Yes, it was a very important piece of work.

25:23 And I will say that the Christmas Day release is, you do focus a lot of energy on that. A lot of money, a lot of promotion. Eric the Shill, who was a big movie buff, he just, I don't have these in front of me, but he went off the top of his head with about 10 blockbusters that are all coming out around the same time and it'd be crazy to bring this movie out because it's going to fail. Well, I don't know why. I mean, the movie itself, as we know, is not important. It was made important all of a sudden, just made... Now, the cybersecurity bills are signed. Did you get the president talking about actually... Dr. McNamara Not about the signing, but let me play the rest of these, a couple more of these clips. This is the We Do Not push up... put up with the... this is the We Do Not Part 2.

26:15 But that's a play that. Oh, actually, you know, I played part two first. I'm sorry. Oh, no wonder it didn't make sense. Yeah, that's my mistake. I want to play part one now then. No, skip part one. Sorry. Play the confirming goal of government. This is where my thesis that this is all about getting these companies scared so they have to join forces with our genius government who can't even run a public health website, but they're going to help you. When I came into office, I stood up a cyber security interagency team to look at everything that we could do at the government level to prevent these kinds of attacks. We've been coordinating with the private sector. A lot more needs to be done. We're not even close to where we need to be.

27:02 One of the things in the new year that I hope Congress is prepared to work with us on is strong cyber security laws that allow for information sharing across the world. private sector platforms as well as the public sector so that we are incorporating best practices and preventing these attacks from happening in the first place. These are all now passed. The president signed five of them. We read at least two of them to you. The cybersecurity sharing bill is in. It's in. I'm very worried, John. Can I take you on another sidetrack for a moment? Before you do that, I just want to make a back comment, which is the Sony guy is very disappointed and all the rest of it. But he obviously doesn't get what's going on. No, he doesn't. Of course not.

27:53 What's going on has got nothing to do with Sony or anybody else is to get these damn companies to join, you know, to do a deal with the government intelligence agencies to share data. And this is going to be it. And this is, of course, a continuation of a fascist state because they have cooperation and government working together. And it's also part of the sales job. Right. Yeah. No, it's a double hit. Now, let's win. Win. Well, now here's where it gets a little frightening. I'm perusing around and there's the Texas Tribune newspaper and they have, they do, I don't know, regular interviews. I guess the editor-in-chief. And they bring on a freshman congressman who will be, who was just now voted in and who will be a Republican in the House starting, I guess, January, whenever they start the new session. His name is Will Hurd, H-U-R-D.

28:52 And Will Hurd is, I think it's unprecedented. He is going to be chairing, not a committee, probably a subcommittee of the Intelligence Committee. He will be on the Department of Homeland Security Committee. This is not very typical, or let's just say it's atypical for a freshman congressman to come in. I think is very dangerous. We have to keep our eye on guys like this. He looks like he's seven feet tall, black guy from Texas wearing boots. He's got a very dynamic look. He's got a very big presence about him.

29:30 He claims that he is, well he's an expert in everything. And this is what really bothered me about the guy. He was always saying like, oh yeah, well you know, this is, in fact let me play this out of order. I'll tell you why I didn't trust him. Right off the bat, he's asked about President Obama's actions on Cuba. And here's what he says. Now, you know, people are talking about, you know, the embargoes will get lifted. Well, that's going to take an act of Congress. You know, the Libertad Act of 86 kind of codified our embargo with them. So, hey, I look forward to being in that conversation and having a conversation because that's my background. That's my expertise. So that's his background. That's his expertise. But then later he's going to talk about his background, his expertise, his computers and cybersecurity.

30:12 The problem here is the Libertad Act was 1996, not 1986. So right off the bat, I'm like, this guy, I mean... If I said 76... He said 86. It's 96. And so right away, I'm like, this guy, I don't like this guy. And now let's... This is the kind of person, because of course we know almost nobody knows computers. They don't run computers. They don't have iPads. They don't do anything in Congress. We've seen this time and time again. Janet Napolitano ran the Department of Homeland Security. She claimed she could not use a computer or didn't. A lot of these people don't, can't, won't, don't understand it. Now they bring in this one guy, and of course in the land of the blind, one eye is king, and you can hear how he speaks. He's a Silicon Valley douchebag from Texas. He's a CIA guy. Yeah, but listen to how he trumps his CIA credits. This is something I have a little bit of experience on. Well, you're a cyber security guy, so you understand. Yeah, I'm a cyber security guy. My degree was in computer science.

31:14 I was in the CIA, I was undercover officer and my job was collecting intelligence on threats in the homeland. But I also did some offensive cyber operations. Oh, he did some offensive cyber operations! This this guy sounds like he's full of shit. Yeah, he's a phony as well penetrating the networks of folks that were hostile to us folks And then you know when I got out of the agency and and been in business last five years I helped start a son. He even talked about that if he was CIA can even say yeah We penetrated some networks of folks that we can even talk about these things like that seems very unlikely I don't think so And then, you know, when I got out of the agency

31:59 Oh, really? Oh, he helped start a cybersecurity company. So he's now going to come in because he knows everything about cybersecurity or at least how to outsource it. We basically break into banks, steal their money, show them how we did it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. We break into banks, steal their money. Show it. I hate this guy to protect our digital infrastructure. He's soft as he is. He's an obvious phony. Yeah. But listen to how he's going to be running the show. That's too long. This is not the first dumb fuck that's been running the show that Obama brought in. If you remember old Skip Logic, whatever his name was, it was our CTO. Vivek Kundra. Right. Kundra. Oh, you know, we also have Meg, Megan Smith is now the CTO. Yeah. Yeah. Megan Smith, and she's writing me letters. Hold on, let's finish this guy. You got to hear this. Our digital infrastructure is coming from all places. And one of the things that I think the federal government does a poor job of is we don't recognize

32:51 bullshit artists. And the federal government goes in and asks business, tell me more about this threat. You know, we need to learn more. How are they doing this? Give us the details and getting down on the ones and zeros. Right. But the federal government rarely goes back and helps the business and gives the business information on the threat that they may know in order to help that business protect themselves. And I think this is probably one of the examples. And I'm excited because I'm going to be in a position to do something about this in this next Congress. I'm going to be on the oversight and government reform committee. This is a committee that investigated Benghazi, or the investigation of Benghazi got started. This is where Fast and the Furious was investigated. And I'm going to be the chairman of a subcommittee on information security and information technology. And so I'm the only person...

33:36 Well, yeah. That's a, has a chair of a subcommittee and to be able to use my background experience on this issue and talk about information sharing, talk about the threats to some of these other groups and how that we can work to protect our critical infrastructure. It's frightening to all. How we can do this to protect our nation and ultimately consumer and client information. But you're also on the Homeland Security Committee as of last week. Chairman McCaul has arranged for you and another freshman. Right. I'm a Republican from Texas, John Ratcliffe. I'm a member of the Homeland Security Committee. From a Homeland Security perspective, is it a good idea, to come back to the original question though, for us to be essentially capitulating to the threats and demands of the people who are at odds? Listen to this. No, look, you don't negotiate with bad guys. You don't negotiate with terrorists. And to me, in this case, we should, the North Koreans, in my opinion, when it comes to

34:28 They're a technical sophistication, you know, they're in kind of the tier two and look, we shouldn't capitulate to these guys. You know, we need to roll up, make a fist sometime. Make a fist. These people scare me, John. These are the people who are going in, he's a bull crap artist, you're right, that's what he is. Red a cyber security of after doing offensive cyber attacks in CIA which I can't talk about even from the banks and show him how he did it yeah, it's charging him for the sub clip That's what that's my next my next career stealing from the bank show him how he did it Stealing from the bank show him how he did it Jake. I'm not a doctor and neither are you damn it Jim? I'm a doctor not a diplomat there you go

35:17 Email quick emails insider emails dude named Ben Okay, let me say these have been redacted obviously because these are people who are inside or close or whatever. So this job not as easy as flicking on a switch. I'm sure you know the FBI and Sony to the best of their knowledge believe it to be North Korea, but read enemies and I would say the book enemies. The book describes about as competent as I think the FBI are. Okay, I think it's North Korea. This is our insider, but I think it's also an inside job. I believe there to be a number of groups involved.

35:53 He says, DN Ben, hacktivists, North Korea, the cash symbol, the true culprits will never be found. This is no simple job. Now here comes the interesting part. Ever since Bain Capital came in and started going after middle management, this does not surprise me. I even saw Bain, this is Mitt Romney's company. I even saw Bain take a long time executive director's office and kicked him out just because the Bain dude liked the view. Is it customary that Bain stays inside the company whose people it is trying to fire? I would say yes, that is very customary. This is what these guys do. So Bain were really the people who came in and started to clean house. And then

36:43 From a visual effects insider, I've been working in the visual effects industry for over 15 years. I've been part of huge visual effects centric films, James Bond, Harry Potter films, Disney, Marvel, you name it. I have plenty of friends at Sony. Here are the points I reckon are worth noting about Sony and why I do agree this should have, this probably started as an inside job and spun out of control in the media manipulation machine. Sony Picture Imageworks is what the digital division, this is what we were talking about, the disgruntled employees due to tax credits offered by Canada, they were relocating work to Vancouver. There's tax credits there for the studio. So, you know, Not the companies doing the work.

37:27 Lots of people lost their jobs and or were asked to move to Vancouver. Think about a thousand people that have worked and invested in a place for years with families and everything. Sony Pictures Imageworks used to be at the forefront of this industry winning Oscars, making kick-ass technology and movies. The last years have been horrible. Morale was low. Movies are bad. From Smurfs to Hotel Transylvania, people were losing their jobs and those who moved were working for crap movies. On top of that, The top technology officers quit adding fire to everything all this is something I've lived through the eyes of my colleagues very possible this started in that division because of just the people just completely bummed out and The visual effects industry has always been under pressure. Oh, yeah, no union and all kinds of crap No the fact that was a special on one of these One of the I think was on PBS actually and they were talking about these these guys did they're like vagabonds they start one company like visual you know the

38:25 industrial lights and magic and then they have spin-offs and they destroy all their models and go to digital and it's expensive to start up because of the computer power you need to do this modern stuff. Not just a couple of iPhones. And you never get paid enough, you always get ripped off by the studios because it's very expensive to do some of these things. It looks, you know, it's not, using the computer doesn't make the film cheaper if you do it right where it looks the real deal. And yeah, it's a nightmare apparently. And I believe they have no union. I think that's the main thing. Well, it's because they're all independents. If you look on the credit roll, it's always these little companies that they use to do this and that. And they're not going to unionize. They can't afford it. Let's look at...they have two fabulous quotes from the media. Now, as you know, one of my pet peeves is how the press reports on matters of technology.

39:18 Because they think technology is tech, which means phones. And there's very little information really about what is going on. Here is first Rich Lowry. He's from the National Review. Listen to how he perceives what happened inside Sony. What do you make of it? What do you make of what Obama said about it? Where do we all take all this? This, by the way, is on PBS. The issue is astonishing and just extremely disturbing. It's like Adolf Hitler being able to reach into this country in the 19th century. thirties and stop charlie chaplin from making fun of him and this is seth rio brogan and james franco movie it's a threat to no one and in a didn't just region and still these emails which were disseminated all over the place and they really tried to prevent the functioning of the company by melting its hard drives and all the rest of it

40:14 Okay, hello. Hello, but I doubt they melted the hard drives I Don't think they melted the hard drive so I I really it's it's a very bad precedent I think they should have released the movie in one form or another everybody saying that if they couldn't have gotten it in theaters given the terror threat they should have released it online and it's ultimately a national security issue of the agents of a foreign power reaching into this country and punishing a uh... movies movie studio for exercising its free speech rights in a way that foreign power doesn't like that you know there was a clip i don't know if i have that uh...

40:55 On this well yeah, I do. I want to play this because I got a comment on this See what Andrea Mitchell Brooks? This is you know Brooks and shields a little too quick to some that commentate on PBS NewsHour the dancing Summer wine summer breeze. Oh, I thought was a group. Oh, it's good. That's Brooks and done anyway, it's in Brooks and shields they come out and they we've But they closed the book on themselves when they both came out in favor, you know, with the CIA. Whose side are you on? Yes, we played that on the last show. They already sold out, so we know that they're stooges. They're all in. So here's another example. They said, I guess they're all in now. So this is Brooks in his comments, and this is Brooks proves he's a stooge. Cyber attack on Sony Pictures.

41:46 First of all, the president said flat out today that Sony made a mistake. What do you think? Yeah, I guess I think so. You know, it's, you know, like the president said, we can't have a country where people are self-censoring. Self-censoring. And it's not a foreign attack if this was a... Well, the president even said self-censoring. Yes, self-censoring. They've done a movie about a civil rights figure and a bunch of racists said, we're going to do something to your company unless you pull this movie. And they pulled the movie. It would have been clear it would have been a disgraceful thing to do. So I think this is somewhat similar. I do have some sympathy for Sony. They're out there all alone What back it up how many millions a billion dollars you gotta hear this this is funny hold on the action problem the companies have to stick together the government has to say an attack on wait was it back further back for the a sir what

42:37 And they pulled the movie would have been clear it would have been a disgraceful thing to do And so I think this is somewhat similar. I do have some sympathy for Sony. They're out there all alone Against a country with spending apparently hundreds million dollars to target them Apparently, but they spent the North Korea which is broke by the way They're spending hundreds of millions of dollars coins bitcoins John Bitcoin. It's got to be Bitcoin. Oh He should have thrown that in. They're spending hundreds of millions of dollars in Bitcoin. Yeah, I heard you. Yeah. I want to talk a little bit about the self-censoring thing. Should we play the president's comment real quick? I have that here about a self-censorship. I have the self-censorship here. One of the things in the new year that I hope Congress is prepared to work with us on is strong cyber security laws that allow for information sharing across

43:31 private sector platforms as well as the public sector so that we are incorporating best practices and preventing these attacks from happening in the first place. But even as we get better, you know, the hackers are going to get better too. Some of them are going to be state actors. Some of them are going to be non-state actors. Some of them will be from Microsoft. All of them are going to be sophisticated and many of them can do some damage. No. We cannot have a society in which some dictator someplace can start imposing censorship here in the United States. Because if somebody is able to intimidate folks out of releasing a satirical movie, imagine what they start doing when they see a documentary that they don't like. Or news reports that they don't like. Or even worse, imagine if producers and distributors and others

44:45 Start engaging in self-censorship. Okay took a long time. All right, so let's talk about that was actually my route that clip that you didn't play. I'm sorry Self-censorship, but let's think about this first of all. Let's does anyone remember the movie the 1976 film the Prophet the Messenger it had different titles the Prophet the Messenger or Muhammad that movie there were it was the same it was just was something almost said it that movie was brought out and amidst a bunch of fatwas that said you can't bring this movie out because you cannot depict Muhammad. And they cowed the theaters to drop the movie. It was never released.

45:25 And it was a big controversy at the time, it was a big deal. And so ever since then, the self-censorship took place and they've never done a movie anything like this again. That was in 1976. And if we think about more recently when somebody didn't self-censor like Juan Williams, who got fired from PBS for saying that he would always think twice when he sees a bunch of Muslims coming on an airplane. And they fired him, Vivian Schiller's crowd, fired him for just suggesting that he has feelings about this. And self-censorship, I brought this up, I had a meeting with an ex-New York Times editor who was working on a book.

46:06 And we're talking about the early days of tech reporting and how things have changed. And many of the opinions I expressed are the ones that we talk about on this show. But one of the things I did say, I brought up to him, I said, well, you know, if you're a writer, you do a lot of self-censoring. This is what you do. If you're working for Time Warner, you're not thinking of doing an expose on the creepy... When I was, just to interject, when I was working at MTV, when I got into MTV, before I was even on on the air, I did an interview with TV Guide and there were, you know, which was big back in the day, it mattered. And the question was, you know, what did you think of Madonna when you interviewed her? I didn't like her too much. They lost their shit over that. Don't you ever, ever say anything like that about Madonna. And then from then on, I'm like, guess what? I didn't say anything bad about Madonna.

46:57 Of course not. No, why? And this is the way the media works. Yeah. But meanwhile, I thought it was interesting there was a disparity in belief systems because I know a number of New York Times reporters and I've discussed this. In fact, they discussed it with one of them after I had this meeting and I said, you self-censor. He says, hell yeah. Of course. So I'm talking now, this is an editor of the New York Times. And I say, I tell him this about the self-censoring. Well, I hope to God no writers do that on my watch. And then he says, I don't think anyone at the New York Times practices such a thing. Wow. Well, dead serious. So the editors, even though they'll do what they did to you, which has come up to you and say, you better not do that.

47:45 They are in a dream world. In fact, it's always said as they up at the office. They the suits those people don't really suits the suits Yeah, I have a John Barrow Josh Barrow New York Times reporter And I believe that these New York Times reporters are so freaked out about this so the censorship issue probably This is why they're coming. They keep saying oh we have to get this movie out We have to get this movie out because they feel that maybe it's their chance now some you know what I mean John's it's something weird about everyone saying we got to get the movie out they should put the movie movie out man because we can't have them censoring us, freedom of speech. Oh you think it's overcompensating? Yeah. Oh yeah. They're censoring themselves constantly. Are you ready for what Josh Barrow, who, what is he writing? He's in New York Times, right? Josh Barrow. Let me take a look. Who is this guy? Josh Barrow. This is Josh. Let's look him up. B-A-R-R-O I think it is. Josh Barrow.

48:38 opinion journalist. Oh, he's a columnist. Says he's a neoliberal and Republican, whatever. Domestic liberal, a neoliberal Republican. I'm the worst person in the world. I'm looking at Wikipedia. He's currently a neoliberal. He's a domestic course. Right. Mines calls themselves a neoliberal. Consider one of the worst people you can say. Where's the long story? I'm not going to go into it, but it's like it's something not to be proud of. In other words, he's a Clinton Republican. Here we go. Listen to what his idea is, how we should... I mean, of all the things you could do, John, how can you force Sony's hand to releasing this movie online? What would you... in your wildest dreams, what would a way to do this be? You're not going to steal the movie and release it.

49:26 I think the hack teaches us an important lesson which is the risk that corporate America is a soft underbelly for attacks from outside. And I think you know you had the president basically calling out Sony for being cowardly, saying it was a mistake to pull the film, he wishes they'd called him before doing that. But the thing is, it's not sony's job to project american strength in north koreans and it's not sony's job to discourage further attacks that are likely to come on companies other than sony by showing that attacks won't be successful that is the job of the government on but one unconventional thing i actually think the government should do is i think they should seize the interview by eminent domain and release it

50:06 It's a non-traditional use of eminent domain, but you can use eminent domain on intangible property. It would be for a bona fide public use, which is to demonstrate that if you perpetuate an attack for the purpose of preventing a release of a movie, you will fail. It seems to me that probably the last thing Kim Jong-un wants is for people to see this movie so the government can take it and air it on PBS and put it on government websites. show it in post offices. What a maniac! But basically I think it is... Show it in post offices. ...some sort of response from the government that shows that this attack will not achieve its objectives. We can't rely on Sony to do that and then we have to think also more broadly if other attacks like this happen probably for a less frivolous purpose than this

50:47 what are we doing to ensure that there is a response that that response to these proportionally and discourages those attacks because we can't rely on the companies themselves to undertake responses when they are attacked in a way that is important to eminent domain john that's the way to go eminent domains exactly what i said yes you'll see all the movie and then release it which would be used but that is eminent i do want to be just briefly the fbi Did you read their full-on statement about... I did not read the full-on statement, I know you would. Yeah, and it's very, very disturbing, and it's really just one pager. I'd just like to go through this for a second. Today, the FBI would like to provide an update on the status of our investigation to the cyber tech.

51:37 in late November by the group calling themselves Guardians of Peace, the FBI has determined that the intrusion into Sony, SPE is what they're calling it, Sony Pictures Entertainment Network, consisted of deployment of destructive malware and the theft of proprietary information as well as employees personally identifiable information, etc. After discovering the intrusion, SPE requested the FBI's assistance, although they say it was CIA. Since then, FBI has been working closely with the company throughout the investigation. Sony has been a great partner in the investigation. Hello, pay attention, everybody. And continues to work closely with the FBI. Sony reported the incident within hours, which is what the FBI hopes all companies will do when facing a cyber attack.

52:15 Sony's quick reporting facilitated the investigators' ability to do their jobs and ultimately to identify the source of these attacks. So message here, and from Fortune 500 companies, I'm hearing dudes named Ben everywhere saying the executives are all in on sharing with the FBI anything and everything. As a result of our investigation and in close collaboration with other US government departments and agencies, who are unnamed, the FBI now has enough information to conclude that the North Korean government is responsible for these actions. While the need to protect sensitive sources and methods precludes us from sharing all of this information, our conclusion is based in part... Why? The need to protect... Well, don't... What are you asking questions for, citizen?

53:02 While the need to protect sensitive sources and methods precludes us from sharing all of this information, our conclusion is based in part on the following three points. One, technical analysis of the data deletion malware used in this attack revealed links to other malware the FBI knows North Korean actors previously developed. For example, there were similarities in specific lines of code, encryption algorithms, data deletion methods, and compromise networks, which you can buy. You can buy this. Alright, that's... so that's not real... that's shaky. There's stuff you can just buy. Yeah, two. Borderline script kiddie stuff. The FBI also observed significant overlap between the infrastructure used in this attack and other malicious cyber activity the US government has previously linked

53:48 directly to North Korea. Ah, the internet. Yeah. For example, the FBI discovered that several internet protocol IP addresses associated with no North Korean infrastructure communicated with IP addresses that were hard-coded into the data deletion malware used in this attack. All completely debunkable. You can show how you could use this. This is no proof. Third, Separately, the tools used in the SPE attack have similarities to a cyber attack in March of last year against South Korean banks and media outlets, which was carried out by North Korea, which I think was not conclusively determined. It was just the media saying it was. Are we kidding with these guys? North Korea is cut off from the Internet. They don't have any these skills. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

54:39 Now I want to point out that in the past 12 years Sony has been hacked a total of 56 times. Let us not forget the 2011 PlayStation Network hack where they literally had users passwords and names and usernames in an Excel spreadsheet. This is not... Sony has been warned over and over again just by being the target of attacks. The Sony definitely has culpability in what happened here. Seriously, if you look at the list, 56 times of reasonably serious intrusions into their network.

55:27 Regarding the... let me see what I have here. I have two more things. Oh yeah, I have the CNN piece about North Korea's response. Of course, I don't speak the language, so we can only go by what they say is the correct translation. It doesn't really matter. This is the message that is being propagated about North Korea's response in this CNN package, which I've edited down actually. Just hours after President Obama. I'm sorry, that is actually a sound effect. They sweetened this video to see the president. He's walking down the steps of Air Force One in Hawaii where he's on vacation. But for some reason they need to put this big jet landing sound in even though you don't see a jet landing. It kind of messed with my head.

56:12 Just hours after President Obama lands in Hawaii for the Christmas holiday, the regime lashes out via its state-run television. With all of its usual bluster, the regime slams the U.S. government's investigation of the Sony hack as childish, that North Korea is being framed. claimed, saying it can prove its innocence without using any torture methods like the American CIA. That I thought was genius. Those digs come in response to President Obama. That the evidence points to Pyongyang. North Korea directly rebuked the president, saying it is the one who should respond after insults to its supreme leader.

56:58 but adds it will not conduct terror against innocent moviegoers. And notice that this is not part of what the newscaster said, so I don't know where it's coming from. Rather target the originators of the insult. The movie and the hack at Sony also got North Korea's bank roller and ally China to respond. In China's state-run Global Times, an editorial calls the movie's vicious mocking of Kim senseless cultural arrogance. and that China was once a punching bag for Hollywood. But now that the Chinese market sits as a gold mine for US movies, the teasing shifts to impoverished North Korea. The North Koreans and their fiery rebuttal to President Obama by curiously suggesting that the two countries work together in a mutual investigation to find the real culprits. I love this is the narrative as well. Very curious. I mean, what are they crazy?

57:47 Are they going to suggest we work together with them to prove their innocence? What is it? This is very curious. The most obvious thing about this is typically a cyber terrorist, if it's going to be all of a sudden become what they've got the North Koreans dubbed as like the ultimate, I mean, these guys are the biggest cyber terrorists ever. They're so talented, would usually take credit for something like this. It's rare that, especially when we've projected them as this extreme egotistical group. See, that's right, bitch, we did that. And they know that if they took credit for it, they'd be busted eventually because they didn't do it. There's one other anomaly that kind of flew under the radar just before this all really exploded and came to light. President Park of South Korea

58:38 This was all over the news for about 10 hours. And in a message ahead of the ASEAN Korea commemorative summit, President Park says the 10 ASEAN member countries having diplomatic relations with both South and North Korea can be of great help as Seoul prepares for a peaceful unification of the peninsula. She added a unified Korea would contribute to peace across East Asia as well. Now celebrating just how much Korea and ASEAN have developed ties since first opening dialogue 25 years ago, President Park said the two sides should forge forge ahead with an aim of enhancing the quality of life for their respective citizens. The two-day ASEAN-Korea summit will begin in the southern port city of Busan.

59:36 And he has always said he hopes she has the courage to push ahead. I don't think we ever talked about this, but it just hit me. He said, yeah, I really hope she has the courage to push ahead and go for unification. But he said, he said it's going to be very difficult. So here's this big, grandiose statement about, oh, you know, we could look at some unification. Get it out of this script. No, this is not going to work. Get it out of the script. This is no good. This cannot happen. He's going to lose their ass. This is bad. No, no, no. We can't have this. And finally, something from the State Department. I like this. This is a two-parter. Of course, we don't have, it's not really the Matt and Marie show because it's Jen.

1:00:17 I've been watching Jen with it in mind that she's really good. Yeah, I think you're right. She's really good. She's kind of cold-blooded. You have to be. You gotta have ice water. She never gets flustered and she knows when to cut it off. And they have the RT keeps playing her a lot because I guess one of the RT women is in the in the question. Yes, yes, and they always show her. Yes, the camera on the questioner. She's asking some question and Jen just puts up with very annoying. Well, this is a two-parter. Now this is Matt with a very, very good setup. And it's based upon emails, which have, there's a lot of emails now. You don't know any authenticity of these emails, but the emails apparently say that there was the deputy secretary of state was being consulted on the movie. And he was, in fact, I have, I think I have some of the,

1:01:14 At least what they're saying is copies of the email. But a couple of people are, and this makes total sense of being consulted and said, Oh, you know, I spoke to someone higher up. They're all in. This is good. You should definitely go ahead with the, with blowing his head up, but maybe cut the actual blowing up scene out. But this look of terror, as you know, he's going to blow up all the, it's very detailed in, in their conversation about this, uh, this movie. By the way, if they're that detailed, what gives you the interrupt? What causes his head to blow out blow up? Oh, he's in a helicopter and I think it's Is it some rocket... Did he swallow a hand grenade? That's the kind of thing he usually... Or get something stuffed in his mouth and then everyone jumped out and he blew up the helicopter, took the helicopter with him. You know, very common thing would happen all the time. Not exactly sure. It doesn't really matter. A report this morning that cites these emails that were hacked by Sony executive emails saying that... I think Matt needs an education too.

1:02:16 It's no longer acceptable as a professional journalist to say, these emails were hacked. Let's get some terminology down, people. State Department officials signed off on or gave the okay to... Oh, hold on a second. Now, I didn't have this, because I just want to mention this. Brooks, who just went on and on about how this was so terrible. Him, he and I guess he...I think he was on another clip where it's further on down the line. He makes a big deal. And I think there's a piece of this in that clip I played, a big deal about all these emails saying that news media should be responsible. This is a classic to me. And not reveal any of these emails because they're stolen property, went on about that whole thing. And now I didn't realize at the time, because I said, what? Who cares? And then if it's a bunch of State Department stuff that got out,

1:03:12 Yeah, I would say that's the reason for taking that approach. Oh, don't put the irresponsible of the news media. And guess what? You haven't seen this in the news anywhere, have you? No, no, it's not been reported. This is only on this. This is borderline clip of the day. No, the clip of the day is where Matt hammers at home. This is just lovely setup and getting Jen all screwed up. Movie that's caused such a kerfuffle. When did the State Department get into the business of telling movie studios what they can and cannot make as movies? Red herring.

1:03:48 What do you mean? We created the movie business. We are not. So department officials, just so all of you know, routinely meet and consult informally with a wide range of private groups, certainly including executives from movie studios and a range of private sector companies and individuals seeking information about U.S. foreign policy and U.S. views on development around the world. Our message in public and private is the same. We respect artists and an entertainer's rights to produce content of their choosing. We have no involvement in such decisions. We're not in the business of signing off on content of movies or things along those lines.

1:04:30 I know there were a range of different reports out there, so let me just see if I can address some of them and then we'll get to your next question. Here she goes. She's so good. She's segwaying right into her little tabbed information sheets. Well, I'm not obviously going to speak to the specifics of the allegedly leaked emails. I can confirm for you that Assistant Secretary Russell did have a conversation with some executives. What? Did you hear that? Yeah, what did you hear? Allegedly leaked? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. She's reading this off of her tabbed paper, that's why. Why would she use the word allegedly when it was... they're leaked? Are they not really leaked and they're all bullcrap? No, this is different, John. This is different. I don't think this was part of the hack, but I think these were leaked. Because, see, she is responding from a tabbed piece of paper. And the paper says allegedly leaked.

1:05:20 So she's just reading it and it slips by where no one alleged that they were leaked. They were hacked at best, the way Matt describes it. This is not leaking. Leaking is something different. They know that these were leaked. I mean that too. Yeah, your point is valid. These were leaked and she's responding to that even though no one is accusing anyone of them being leaked. They were hacked. ...of movies or things along those lines. I know there were a range of different reports out there so let me just see if I can address some of them and then we'll get to your next question. Tab, tab, tab. Well, I'm not obviously going to speak to the specifics of the allegedly leaked emails. I can confirm for you that-

1:05:58 Assistant Secretary Russell did have a conversation with Sony executives, as he does routinely with a wide range of private groups and individuals to discuss foreign policy in Asia. Bob King, contrary to reports, did not view the movie and did not have any contact directly with Sony. As we've noted before, entertainers are free to make movies of their choosing and we are not involved in that. So, Assistant Secretary Russell and his conversations with the Sony executives, if those executives got the impression

1:06:36 that he was saying it's okay to do this. They were getting the wrong impression? Well, I don't think any executive would want the State Department or the United States government to be in the business of signing off on the content of their movies or television shows or whatever it may be. Of course there's a lot of information that we all know about North Korea and the fact that they have one of the worst human rights records out there, that they have consistently put out threats against the United States, and certainly we share information that is publicly available with executives as well. Okay, that's the setup. Then she really goes all for it because here comes Matt and he's gonna hammer it home. I mean, does the State Department think that

1:07:25 something like that, whether it is an artistic endeavor or not, is something that is helpful or is something that is appropriate for any company to do. And the reason that I ask this is not to suggest that you're involved in free speech, but remember the video of this poorly produced film involving the Prophet Mohammed I believe which was blamed for It's at this point. I'm like yeah, man. Go protests in Cairo It been Benghazi which he doesn't say weak You know the State Department came out and and wanted YouTube to take it down right take it down the State Department Did not represent the values the United States, so there is a history of

1:08:11 movie criticism or film criticism from this building and I'm just wondering if this is at all playing into this current situation. I would not put them in the same category, which I'm sure does not surprise you. It's not the same category. It's a different kind of entertainment. It's a fiction movie. It's not a documentary about our relationship with North Korea. It's not something we backed, supported, or necessarily have an opinion on. Unlike the Muhammad movie, which I guess you did back and support. I don't know. You haven't seen it. I have not seen the movie, no. I don't think it's out yet. Well, apparently it is. Well, apparently it is. All right. Well, it's a good move. And I just want to remind everybody that this is absolute bunk and bull crap, as we learned from Evergreen clip, Martin Kaplan from the Lear Foundation about Hollywood and

1:09:04 How they influence how the government influences Hollywood so in the course of our work. This is in two years 11 to 13 335 storylines that we worked on Have been aired we've worked with 35 networks in the past four years 91 different television shows and countless movies Yeah, well it never ends anyway this morning Obama's backing away from it now. He's Yeah, yeah, of course He's backing away here is with Candy Crowley one of her this was must be her swan song I presume as she's leaving the network I wonder if maybe it was fear of lawsuit as opposed to fear of North Korea which is a threat right there that people are looking at their theater thinking oh

1:10:02 You know, anything happens here, I'm done. It's over. You know, that's possible, but look. But look, look. As I said, the Boston Marathon suffered an actual grievous attack that killed and maimed a number of people. And that next year, we had as successful a Boston Marathon as we've ever had. You know, sometimes this is a matter of setting a tone, being very clear that we're not going to be intimidated by some cyber hackers. Cyber hackers? I expect all of us to remember that and operate on that basis going forward.

1:10:41 Do you think this was an act of war by North Korea? No, I don't think it was an act of war. I think it was an act of cyber vandalism that was very costly, very expensive. We take it very seriously. Cyber vandalism. Okay, now it's gone from North Korea to cyber hackers to act of war to cyber vandalism. All righty then. There's a need for a rescue mission. When the world is threatened, the world needs help, it calls on America. I'm not a bringer. I want to bring two more clips in from Obama's speech about all this that have nothing to do with the North Korean thing, but it has everything to do with Obama. You know, he plays basketball. Yeah. And he, uh,

1:11:32 a golf. Yes. And he throws a baseball like a girl. Yes. And I don't think he knows anything about football. No, probably not. Because here is Obama talking just casually and then he goes off script and starts rambling as he does. And this confuses me because of the second clip. This is when I won Obama on football one, and then the confusing part shows up in Obama on football two. But play Obama on football one, and then I want to comment. This stuff happens in the fourth quarter. And I'm looking forward to it. But going into the fourth quarter, you usually get a timeout.

1:12:07 I'm now looking forward to a quiet time out, Christmas with my family. So I want to wish everybody a Merry Christmas, a Happy Hanukkah, a Happy New Year. I hope that all of you get some time to spend with your families as well because One thing that we share is that we're away too much from them and now Josh has given me the who's been naughty and who's been nice list He forgot Solstice and Kwanzaa I know I found found that in the Festivus he left that out. Yeah, no what I think was interesting is that he

1:12:49 What is he talking about? You don't get a time out when you go into the fourth quarter You get a timeout when you've been a bad boy Then you get you get a timeout eyes and there's a timeout with a two-minute warning, but there's no timeout So he doesn't know anything. But then I was stunned when he there was a quarterback for the Baltimore Ravens his name Joe Flacco and And I guess his brother is in the movie if we play Obama on football too. On a movie studio because of a satirical movie starring Seth Rogen and James Flacco. You are the only person I have heard who figured out what was going on and why he mistook Franco for Flacco. Yeah.

1:13:36 You're the only guy. I was thinking Joe Flacco, the quarterback for the Ravens, because it's a local team. I mean, Baltimore is local to Washington, D.C., so it's like a local team. And he probably heard of him. And I still think he doesn't know anything about football or even watches it. I saw someone immediately created a Twitter account, James Flacco. James Flacco. Thanks, President Obama, for the shout out. But yes, I think you are absolutely the only person who has figured out why he made that mistake. Yeah, well, it was a football in the mind is fourth quarter you get your time out, you know, whatever Well with that John I want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C Dvorak in the morning to you Adam C Curry in the morning all ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the games and nights out there in the morning to everyone in the chat room no agenda stream calm good to see you all there working with us

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1:15:28 Yes, and I want to thank a few right now. I'm looking to see if Oscar Nadal actually sent us anything in. I don't have an email from him. I don't have an email either. He promised that this was going to happen. Is this a duplicate or? Well, this was, I don't know what this one is because his other one, Oh Nadal, which comes in, is the 6969. came in, and then there's this one that's kind of pending. We'll find out in the weeks ahead. Also, Barry Hanna, let's start with R.S. Bagwell in Louisville, Kentucky. He sent a 1-2-3-4.56, my absolute favorite donation. This is a great...this is a good day. This is nice. Yeah, we had a lot of people step up. And let me just read, he has a very short note, and this is something people should...this is an interesting idea.

1:16:18 He may have mentioned it last year, but I don't remember it. But now he's essentially a baron. He's now a baron. He's never asked for any of these things. We have to... Has he been knighted? I wonder. But this is his fourth annual donation of 1234.56. He wants job karma. Please send me job karma. I've done this the past three years and karma continues to come through. for me so I can push it along to both of you. So every year, he gets his karma, then he sees what happens, then he sends us another one, two, three, four, five. So he's done this four years in a row. And I think that's remarkable. Well, he should be barren, knighted. I don't think he's... Well, we'll look into it and we'll give him a special ceremony right in the first of the year. Absolutely. Let's give him the jobs karma because here it is, your annual karma. Jobs, jobs.

1:17:14 Jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. Nice. Thank you, RS Bagley. And then we have this anomaly. Hold on one second. Let me try one more search. I already looked because I recall the email Oscar sent. Yeah, he sent, but it was about this other small amount of money. Let me take one more quickie. This only takes a second. Well, I have the spreadsheet for Thursday. It was the same number. It says, Karma Works, more details to come and a bigger donation. So I don't know. Yeah, well, the bigger donation is this one, which is $936.72 with no note. So if he has something to say, he'll tell us later. Then we have Barry Hanna, who I can't find anything from.

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1:20:45 Thanks, Sir Nick of the South Side. I'm not you know, this is problematic because I'm not really remembering any ISIS ISIL. No, I mean we have a see what we have we have there was a couple of clips we have Oh Biden. Let me see. I don't remember, John, I, oh shoot. What is going on? I use O'Biden in common conversation now and nobody ever, no one ever, no one questions it, whatever. It's like, eh, whatever. O'Biden, yeah. I'm sure you're right. Now, of course, we don't have that clip. So sorry. Oh, hold on a second. Let me, let me bash this thing over the head for a moment. Let me see if I can get this for you. I don't know what's going on. Oh, come on people.

1:21:33 It's a computer. Yeah, no, it's a people, believe me. Okay, hold on. What is this? This is... it's like my... something gets... fuck! Give me one second. Now I have to... I have to conquer this. All right, this is all I have. What kind of a machine is this? That's it. That was the clip he wanted. That was the one he won. I found it. Yeah, I saw it. It was worth it. I don't know about that. It was worth it. It was worth it. Come on. Roderick Leonard in Charlotte, North Carolina. Two oh two oh two. ITM boys, your analysis of late has been spot on.

1:22:32 Spot on! I say, keep up the good work. I punched my friend Ken in the mouth several times before he caught the no agenda fever, but he's hooked now and just recently punched his wife too. I wonder what newcomers think of when they hear this stuff. This is not good. You shouldn't be punching his wife. What? And they're encouraging it. This is not good. Let's call him out for being a boner who loves the show but hasn't donated yet. Douchebag! You're my sole news source. Well, that is... Well, there you go. The other news is, as I mentioned in the newsletter, which was actually co-written this week. What do you mean co-written? You had your name on it.

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1:25:31 You know, any of the links that we sent you in the newsletter. Yeah, they're all valid. That is indeed interesting though. The, uh, that will herd guy about Cuba. Of course I looked into it. I'm going to do some research on this guy. Cause I'll bet you if you look into it, you're going to find some information that is bull crap. All you have to do really is look at that video, which is about, it's about 25 minutes and,

1:26:29 He gets tired at the end. Then he starts saying, well, look, this is what I've been talking about for 19 months. And if this is my background, this is my expertise, right? This is what I do, right? And it's just, no, no, I'm sorry, dude. This is not what you do. But this Cuban Liberty and Democratic Society Act of 1996, not 86, is the Libertad Act. I think he is right though in that regard. I do not see how... No, no, he's right. It's been talked about on other outlets. They talk about this to an extreme. They say all Obama can do is relieve, you know, make it easier to trial. He can't do anything about most of these sanctions because they're written in law. It's a congressional. The Congress has to change things and the Republicans aren't gonna do that.

1:27:15 I mean, we already got the shot over the bow by Rubio. And so no, they're not going to change anything. They're just going to now we can travel a little easier, go back and forth. But there's all the other stuff still in play. Let's go. And they've apparently been shipping them food. I was watching our tea, obviously. Yeah. They were shipping them food all along. The Americans have in a roundabout way. I mean, all kinds of with work, all kinds of work. But once the Republicans get a clue that the Canadians are buying the place up, they should change the law. Let's go down under for a moment. Prime Minister Abbott? Is he Prime Minister Abbott? Abbott! I don't think we have one of those. We're going to need one pretty soon. We're going to need an Abbott shout. All we need is the Abbott and Costello. So we have this one event.

1:28:08 Which of course is not just a nut job, whether he was a patsy or not. I mean the guy is completely psycho. And because he asked for a flag, this is now, we are no longer innocent in Australia. This is the terror. The terror is here. This is it. It's all over people. We are now, we are no longer innocent. These are the things of kind of, this is what being said. And in fact, here is Abbott just laying it all on. These events do demonstrate that even a country as free, as open, as generous, and as safe as ours is vulnerable.

1:28:50 to acts of politically motivated violence. Madam Speaker, regrettably for some time to come Australians will have to endure more security than we're used to and more inconvenience than we'd like. Regrettably for some time to come the delicate balance between freedom and security may have to shift. I love it when they do that! Oh, that was slick. Play this, just as an aside about all these dangers of living in Australia because you can't own guns. Play the clip. Stabbings in Australia. Australia's stabbings. Gotta make sure this is going on at the same time. Of course, yes. In Australia, eight children have been found dead and a woman injured in apparent mass stabbing. The bodies were found at a home in Manura, a suburb of Cairns.

1:29:44 Hello? Hello, safety? This is Liberty calling. F*** off, douchebag! There you go, everybody. Hey, Australia, welcome. Welcome, welcome, welcome. I looked at this thing. It's the Foreign Fighters Bill Act. Actually, Counterterrorism Legislation Amendment, the Foreign Fighters Bill of 2014. This is great. Australia's current counterterrorism laws comprise four legislative regimes introduced under the Howard administration. So we have... Some things are gonna be changing. So they already had control orders to control the behavior of a person where it's considered necessary to prevent a terrorist act, control orders. I love this. The prison colony is resurrected. Preventative... Dr. Mazmanian Yeah, well, that's a natural. Adam Present Preventative detention orders which allow police to detain a person for up to 14 days if there are reasonable grounds to suspect he or she is planning on will engage in a terrorist act.

1:30:39 Stop, search and seizure powers, which allowed police to stop and search persons, vehicles, premises, seize items that could be used in a terrorist offense like peroxide. Question and detention warrants, which allowed the ASIO, this is the ASIO, this was the, you can't have more than three people in a room together or something, to immediately detain a person for questioning. The solitary confinement, they're looking for that. That's next. So now we have new offenses for traveling to a quote declared area. This is now new. The bill has introduced a crime punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment for a person traveling to an area in a foreign country that has been declared by the Australian government to be one where a listed terrorist organization is engaging in hostile activity. That is a declared area. They can't go there? No, well you can but if you... Well do we have a list of the declared areas yet? Well we do know that the foreign minister has declared Syria's al-Raqqa province

1:31:39 which is the de facto capital of the... You go to Syria, you just go there to hang out for a while, then you go to the province. How are they going to know you went there? Well, if they catch you, they might see you with a drone. New offense is for advocating terrorism. The second offense... What does that mean? Well, would you like to hear it? What is advocating terrorism? This is the second offense introduced by the bill. Makes it a crime for a person to intentionally advocate the doing of a terrorist act or the commission of a terrorist offense where he or she is reckless as to whether another person will actually do the act or commit the offense. And this is interesting. So you, if you did this on the tweeters, for instance,

1:32:26 and someone read it, that would be reckless for you to do this in public. If you said, hey, you should go blow something up. Yeah, I think this is a free speech issue right there, which I guess, I don't know, Australia doesn't have that perhaps. No, no, no, they obviously don't. The other couple of things I've added here, the foreign minister, foreign affairs minister can now suspend a person's passport for a period of up to 14 days. If there's reasonable grounds of suspicion the person may leave Australia to engage in conduct that might prejudice the security of Australia or a foreign country. My goodness! Not only proof, hey I think you might be going over to do something, just give me your passport. They took that from our playbook. The immigration minister must now cancel a person's temporary or permanent visa

1:33:20 If there's a reasonable suspicion the visa holder might be, directly or indirectly, a risk to security. If the risk is confirmed, the visa holder's family members may, at the minister's discretion, also have their visas canceled. Customs officers now have the power to detain persons suspected of committing any federal offense. Hold on a second. Yes, sir. They're talking about which visas are they talking about? If you're coming from a different country. Or if you're coming in. Yes, yes. If you're a guest, if you're a guest. And then, okay. Customs officers, if you're going into Australia, I'm going into Australia. Hey, Australia, here I am.

1:34:03 They have the power to detain persons suspected of committing any federal offense that is punishable by imprisonment of 12 months or more. But you just got there. Yeah, they can grab you. Wait a minute, hold on a second. Yeah. Okay, you're going to Australia, you're digging, stop. I'm in Australia! Now what offense could you possibly create? You haven't even gotten past the border guy. Well, maybe I just tweeted, hey, I'm here to see if I can find any terrorists to blow some stuff up. I don't know, something like that. It could be anything. That would be an offense. under this bill. Yeah, but they usually don't let you communicate when you're in that area. So you land in the... I've landed. But when you're landing in from outside in the United States, no cell phones. No, no, no. You can't do the... While you're taxiing to the gate, to the jetway, you could be on your phone. All right, well, I guess you could do that. Here I am, we're ready to blow up things.

1:35:01 Yeah, I guess you could okay giving continue giving customs officers greater power to detain persons without charge risks Infringe the rights of freedom for any arbitrary detention of course But this is all obviously for your safety and it shall not be questioned. Please do not question authority That's right pigs in human clothing One thing on the caliphate I found here. We sent another 1500 troops to Iraq Wasn't widely reported. No embarrassing, but there is yes, of course, it's embarrassing There is something new which John Kerry started two weeks ago You know, we've had this issue this branding issue, which we quite frankly think has been kind of good Isis ISIL is now Now everyone's just saying dash

1:36:05 This is just, this is the new, new, new official word. Dash. Yeah, I saw this dash thing emerge and I can't find the genesis for it. Well, I have some of that here. First, let me play for you Lieutenant General James Terry with the announcement of more troops going to destroy, no, to degrade and ultimately destroy, and it used to be ISIL, now it's dash. Iraqi security forces must be a capable force. one that can restore Iraq's sovereign borders, retake territory from Daesh, and secure the Iraqi people. An offensively minded and trained security force, backed by an inclusive government of Iraq, is the key to future stability. As you know, we have been authorized an additional 1,500 U.S. personnel. They will serve in non-combat roles to support additional advise and assist requirements and the building partner capacity effort.

1:37:00 In addition, we anticipate coalition contributions that should produce at least an additional 1,500 personnel in these efforts. We're seeing initial successes in this fight. My assessment is that Daesh has been halted in transitioning to the defense and is attempting to hold what they currently have. You will see some local counterattacks in that regard. There will be challenges down the road that will require patience. The government of Iraq understands the grave threat they face and they are resolved to defeat it. The Combined Joint Task Force represents what I believe is a new chapter of what I says will be a successful campaign to bring the coalition's power to bear and ultimately lead to the defeat of Daesh. Defeat of Daesh. Okay, so Daesh is- Alright, this began in June.

1:37:49 And this is the French. Yes, correct. French decided they're going to use the Arabic derived term dash, D-A-E-S-H, or it's also D, I think it's I, apostrophe, something or other. Yes. And it never took, but now it's taking. And that's the interesting part. Yes, D-A-postrophe-I-S-H. Yes. When carry, which means Da'lat Nation, Al, Islamia, Iraq, Sham, which is Syria and the Levant. So it's really a collection of ISIS and ISIL. It started in June and now in December, it's now being recognized by us. Why? What's the reason for the change? I don't know. Other than that, I believe when Kerry went to get new authorized use of military force

1:38:43 And when he was being questioned, we played one or two clips because of course he's so boring, I can't risk my reputation with you anymore to play any more carry clips. He was using Dash, which I believe he needs to encompass more groups. It's such an all-encompassing name. It's everybody now. It's just everybody. I just want to be able to use Force on anybody. who's brown and lives in this general sandy area, which is pretty much exactly what he asked for. I don't see any other reason why. These guys are so tricky, John. All they care about is using words to get whatever they think is necessary, whatever they need, whatever they want. Well, on the topic of this area,

1:39:39 I was combing through old clips, which I do occasionally to look, to re-listen to them and see if there's anything that we can use or there's stuff that we missed. So about 2010 I heard this, and I've never heard about it since. I don't think we, it was either not played and we never discussed it, and I haven't heard anything about it since. But this was a 60 Minutes report on, on Afghanistan and how we, you know, the Taliban is winning the war and so the Afghani people won't do anything, do any deals with us because they think we're just gonna leave and screw them. And they're all gonna get killed for talking to us sort of thing. And it was about that. And right in the middle of it, because they were talking about a, or discussing a

1:40:28 of improvised explosive devices they were taking out and then there was going to be an ambush. But this little one little clip, this 2010 clip with new information is just I don't remember it. I don't remember picking this up before and I don't know what's going on now, but this is interesting. Using new and secret technology, the Marines destroyed an IED from long range while it was still being planted in the road. I've got information, man. New shit has come to light. I was hoping you'd follow up with that. I'm there, brother. Do you remember this? I don't. I don't remember this. Ray gun or some beam or something that blows. Oh, energy, energy directed weaponry. Of course. This is what our new, if he's a firm confirmed, this is what our new secretary of defense is specialized in. Directed energy weapons. Yeah. Yeah. So when you see the guys planting the thing, you shoot down a little ray beam and then it explodes. Yeah. And blows him up with it.

1:41:25 It's a genius. I would assume that if it's some sort of device that if it's directed energy and they can heat, it doesn't take much to blow up something if it's explosive, if you can heat it up. So you aim this thing there and it heats it up, target it and heat it up and blow it up. Yeah. Yeah. While the guys are still there. Yeah. It's beautiful. Genius. Are we good or what? Yeah, we're great. And this is Ash Carter. is the new guy, if he's confirmed. And I really see no reason why he won't be. He's really all about the Straits of Malacca and China. He seems to be much more interested in that region of the world than the Middle East. Which is interesting because you kind of think that the reason Hagel was pushed out is because Hagel didn't want to do all this bull crap in the Middle East. But I see nothing

1:42:23 But Asia news coming from his general direction, particularly the Straits of Malacca, which is all about blocking China's waterways. We got to keep our eye on this guy. I have no idea what, you know... You notice there's some action with Putin in Russia and that area too? Yeah. In fact, the BBC, it was unbelievable. the BBC had this whole special on, it was like a mini super package. Like a mini special, a super package, kind of in between like a 15 minute thing. And of course, well, you know, Putin hates gays and gays are, you know, you're not safe in Russia if you're gay. It's not, you can't, no, no, no. And this, they bring this news as if it's all

1:43:11 All true, all happening now. Even this giant iPhone is unacceptable here now. Taken off the streets after the boss of Apple revealed he was gay. This is where the iPhone statue used to stand. Now there's this festive tree here and just an empty space like a new monument to increasing intolerance here. Human rights activists say that since the law banning so-called gay propaganda was passed it's like people have been given a license to be homophobic They say it's not just about artwork of course, homophobic attacks are are on the rise. So this has long been debunked, this iPhone thing. And the iPhone thing, I have a clip. Apple is so big in Russia that they had to back off on a couple of... Yeah, because of the ruble. The ruble thing is screwing them. And they showed, this is from RT, of course, so it could be all rigged and may all be not true. But they go to an Apple store in Moscow and their place is packed with people buying iPhones and Apple products. But this is the story, it's kind of interesting.

1:44:12 were forced to stop trading online here in Russia this week, their products products at one point were $100 cheaper to buy here and here in Russia than in the US. The tech giant justified this move on their side as extreme ruble fluctuations. I had that last night, extreme ruble fluctuations. Yeah, I bet you did. It didn't feel very good. No, they not only have the places to buy the phones in stores but they have an online presence, which is what they had to back off on because the ruble was screwing them. And they were selling all of Apple products online for $100 less than we have to pay. How does this other story make any sense at all?

1:44:53 It's bullcrap. We know that this thing was not removed because Tim Cook, Tollens, Tom, whatever his name is, said he's gay. Tom Collins. Tim Collins. It's not true. It's just not true. And they are lying. But you know, we heard about this somewhere, so I guess it's true. And look, this empty spot looks like a new monument. And just went on. If you are gay in Saudi Arabia, off with your head! They get beheaded all the time. There are more crimes against gays, lesbians, LGBTQIAP in the United States than ever occur in Russia. Come on!

1:45:36 Stop using my gay brothers and sisters for a punching bag for your... Because you hate Putin, it's not okay! And you gay brothers and sisters, stand up and reject this! Reject it! Another retail news from Russia. I had no idea that there's Ikea's all over the place and they were just and they showed some movies of it and they're just like an Ikea and you know here in Emeryville. I'm sorry. Yes. Tech shopping that went wild this week. Ikea suspended sales of kitchen and home furniture in Russia because it's been overloaded with all

1:46:12 Can you imagine the margin on that crap, considering they don't have to even raise the prices? It's just junk. Some assembly required are the words that make me shudder. But the whole Russian thing is very interesting. We have to keep up with it. I don't know. I don't know how much to keep up with. Well, there's like... They're going ahead. It turns out that our problems with Russia are not deterring them from continuing to actually have an economy. Vladimir Putin invited

1:47:08 Kim Jong-un to come to Moscow next year to mark the 70th anniversary of the Soviet defeat of Nazi Germany. And he would like to discuss a pipeline. Yeah, coincidence. No, never. From North Korea to its southern neighbor, South Korea, for some Gazprom pipeline. And it makes nothing but sense. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense for the South Koreans for sure. Yeah, they don't need ships coming in with the gas when you could pump it in. No, it's flabbergasting that this has not been looked at previously. Yeah. Let me see. The Treasury Secretary, of course, there's so much about the Sony and, you know, whatever, Christmas,

1:48:03 Jingle bells. Quanza. Bahumba, Quanza, Solstice. That we don't really hear much when the Treasury Secretary speaks. And I found what he's... This is Jacob Lew, who was our new Treasury Secretary. He followed in the footsteps of Tim Geithner, a guy who can't figure out how to use TurboTax, wireless taxes. I haven't forgotten. And the way he put this was very strange. This is about Social Security and this is kind of his state of the, his annual state of the union. If, you know, how much longer this thing is funded. But then for some reason he pulled a piece out and said,

1:48:45 If, you know, if you look at this piece by itself, it's only funded for two years. See if you can figure out what is going on with this and what the messaging is. When considered on a combined basis, Social Security's retirement and disability programs have dedicated funds sufficient to cover benefits for the next 19 years. After that time, as was true last year, it's projected that tax income will be sufficient to finance about three quarters of scheduled benefits. And by the way, that puts me in a screwed position. That's about the time that I'm gonna retire. No, he said 19 years you retire in since you're 50. You had a big birthday. I'm not good. No, no Are you kidding me? I retired 15 16 years the retirement age. Maybe they keep moving it up. I'll be raising it up. Exactly 70 Yeah, you you will be right at the point. It happens is boom and guess who's gonna be part of that 15% that isn't funded You know, it's gonna be podcasters. We're the first to go podcasters first to go. Here's the rest of it. Oh

1:49:42 However, Social Security's disability program alone has dedicated funds sufficient to cover all scheduled benefits for only two years. As was true last year beginning in 2016, projected tax income will be sufficient to finance about 80% of scheduled benefits. Legislation will be needed to avoid disruptive reductions in benefit payments to this vulnerable population. Okay. So combined, he says, 18 years and then we go to 85%. But if you take disability out, that's only good for two years. We need new laws to, I guess, print more money or put some money into the coffers. Can he do that? Is that how it works? Do you separate that out of this or is this just a general way to get more money? Because people are going, holy crap. It's a general way to get more money because most of the social security system is legislated

1:50:36 And they just can't randomly cut it off. I mean, it's legislate. You have to provide the money. It's in the law. Well, this is this does not bode well then. That's bull crap. Okay. I take it down to the simplest aspect, but it's bull crap. I mean, there is a scam out there. They're trying to kill Social Security and make these people invest their own money as though every Tom, Dick and Harry out there is a professional investor. And they're not. I mean, the idea is, yeah, put all your money in the stock market or keep the stock market boosted. Then when it collapses too bad,

1:51:15 And, uh, which is what would happen. They'd get screwed. Like, all these, a lot of pros lost their ass in the 2007-2008 debacle. How's the public supposed to fare in this thing? No, you need, I don't want to sound like a socialist, but you need the government to be the fishnet stockings to catch everything. Hey, damn commie. Yeah. Yeah, commie. That's it. I got a rich and poor update, which doesn't bode well. Okay. Into it? And the gap between rich and poor in the United States has reached a new high. A new report by the Pew Research Center finds the gulf between rich families and middle and low-income families is the largest it's been in 30 years of data collection. Pew found that while affluent families became wealthier from 2010 to 2013, middle-income families stayed the same, while poor families got poorer. It's a wonderful life, everybody.

1:52:13 You know something up with that. I also have a well, I'll say that I'd like this clip later Here's one that bugged me this kind of just bugged me and I went did some research and looking, you know the tea party Yes, the original tea party was of course Surrounded Ron Paul with his money bombs and then it was hijacked by the Republican fringe I want to play this 60-minute teaser Clip and I wanted I want to If you go look on the Wikipedia at all the Tea Party sites, there's one name, there's one name you will never find. I did searches for the guy's name and this is kind of the target of this particular clip.

1:53:02 Senator Tom Coburn is known as the godfather of the Tea Party. So what does he think of President Obama? I just love him as a man. That and other surprises, Sunday on 60 Minutes. Tom Coburn apparently, according to 60 Minutes and his wonderful journalism, It calls him the godfather of the Tea Party. You'll never find any reference like that. And it turns out he's gay, I guess. I don't know what the point of this teaser was. This is beyond me. I have no idea. No idea. The rewriting history, you know, one of the things we try to do, at least on this show... Is be on the right side of history. We try to be on the right side of history and we defend against the constant attempts to rewrite history. Yes.

1:53:52 And this is a rewrite of history if there ever was. I mean, Tom Coburn, Tea Party? He's just some guy with a wig. Anyway, a little pet peeve. You know, you're absolutely right. And this, and of course, Tea Party became tea baggers and it's just, it's a very, it's very... And they got co-opted by Tea Party Express and those, those shbags up, a lot of them out of Texas. But all of it is, it's just name calling and not good for anything. It's all of it's just horrible. Don't like any of it. Here's something else I don't like. Ants. Ants, he says. Play this Colorado sued, a very short clip. Okay. Two states have sued Colorado in the Supreme Court over its legalization of marijuana. Earlier this year, Colorado became the first state to allow recreational marijuana. Nebraska and Oklahoma claim the opening of marijuana shops has led to an influx of the drug in neighboring states. Okay.

1:54:57 This is, I think this is what they're gonna try to do, to get this thing reversed. Because after the DC thing happened, you know, they tried to, they're not gonna fund it, these are the Republicans. So they found two states that were amenable because there's other states bordering Colorado that don't give a crap And I don't even know if Oklahoma does Oklahoma actually bore a border on Colorado. I think so Let's take a look on the maps. This feels bad. I don't know that well either We can you know the states you don't have to know every border. You know connection I believe Maps maybe the panhandle does

1:55:38 Let's back on Google Maps. I'm looking Kansas is directly north. Yes, and Google Maps is not producing my map. We have Arizona. Yeah, okay, New Mexico. You look at the very tip. Yeah, absolute tip of Oklahoma. North of Texas. Yeah. Touches Colorado. Right. Barely. Just a tip. So it is a border state and Nebraska is the same way. It doesn't really have a big border. Kansas is a border state. They don't care Anyway, the point is I think they're gonna try to go after nobody in Kansas man. I'm drove through that I think you're gonna go after this the really

1:56:18 They can't do anything with, they can't get anyone to play ball against Washington because Oregon's all in on the idea that they can get dope up there and then Montana and Idaho, which are close, the other two close states, they're not gonna, they're not gonna mess with us. Anyway, you're gonna start to see this sort of thing as a trick to get- Federales to bust balls over- Yeah, especially in Colorado where they're very aggressive. Just a different kind of a different topic. I was reading something in the Guardian today, online obviously, and it said it was brought to you by... and there was a link that explained what this meant. And this is part of how news is changing. Now the Guardian... isn't the Guardian supposed to... didn't they have a... don't they have some charter that they're holier than thou? Well, yeah, the charter says, we the Guardian

1:57:15 are holier than thou. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. What it says. So they have this information page, which I found called sponsored content, advertisement features and content supported by foundations. And you're a news guy. You're a writer. You're a magazine columnist. You've been a reporter. You are a reporter. You're on the beat. You're a journalist. Here. Guardian News and Media produces a variety of content with funding from outside parties. These sources of revenue allow us to explore, in more depth than editorial budgets would otherwise allow, topics that we hope are of interest to Guardian and Observer readers. The presentation of the content makes clear how the content has been commissioned and produced and who has funded it.

1:58:12 One of the three labels will appear on this content. Sponsored by, brought to you by, or supported by. And there's a difference in each three and I'd like to discuss these with you. Alright. One is sponsored by. Sponsored by is used to describe editorially independent content. We accept funding from sponsors both for content we are already producing, where using funds from a sponsor allows us to provide more in-depth coverage, and for new projects. Before sponsorship is agreed with a client, relevant senior editors are consulted about its suitability and the editor-in-chief has the final say on whether a sponsorship deal is accepted. A sponsor whose branding appears on editorial content may have a role in suggesting what kind of topics are covered, but the commissioning editor is not obliged to accept ideas from the sponsor.

1:59:07 The content is written and edited by guardian and observer journalists or those approved by GNM to the same standards expected in all of our journalism. GNM will not show copy to sponsors for approval." What do you think of this, the sponsored by business? Sounds like native advertising to me. It is. It's bullcrap what they say too. It's, ah, the editor, you know, he's got the file. Say, yeah, if you're trying to push in a piece of sponsored content that is a obvious mess, a piece of garbage, yeah, you're gonna nix it. You say, no, we will take your money, but you better come up with something better than this piece of crap.

1:59:46 And it appears... And then, by the way, this is where this other part comes in. So maybe you should just let one of our writers, because they would like to just write it themselves and give it to you. That would be the approved GNM outsiders. Yes. But, you know, if you give it to one of our writers, we can do a better job for you. Or it will cost you more because, you know, you're having to pay our writers, which don't work as cheap as the PR people work. In fact, it's not true. But they, yeah, that's what that is. And it's just total native advertising and it couched beautifully to make it seem like there's no chance whatsoever of corruption when in fact they want to run something, they're big advertisers, they've got these guys by the nuts, and they say, you know, you don't have to run this piece. I know you have some issues with it, but you know,

2:00:37 We'll just pull everything that we have. We'll just pull all of our ads and we'll walk it over to the Daily Mail or the... Yeah, or the Madwell or even any of them. They'll all take it. And I would be surprised if by now all the British... tabloids and all the British broadsheets don't all take native advertising in some form or other. And so, you know, you take it, you take it, you need the money and you're not going to have them pull everything. They're pushing the papers around. Let's look at the other options, shall we? Other options. This is for people who are reading the newspaper, by the way. This is what so-called product you're receiving.

2:01:16 Two is brought to you by. Brought to you by is used to describe advertisement features that are paid for and controlled by the advertiser rather than the publisher and are subject to regulation by the Advertising Standards Authority. This content is produced by commercial departments and does not involve GNM staff journalists. That's brought to you by so that that's just an ad. Which is a little fuzzier because... Yeah, you wouldn't know the difference because they're using the same type font. It looks just like a story. Yes. You have to pay probably a little more. Sponsorship's probably cheaper because you lose a little control. But if you have total control, which I didn't... That is like, yeah, that's an ad. Yeah. But it's only said, brought to you by.

2:02:04 And a casual reader, if you're looking at the bottom and you see sponsored by or brought to you by, what's the difference? What would be the difference to the reader? Without looking at this thing, no one's going to go look at these rules. It's going to be the same. Well, then we have the third one, which makes it even more complicated. We have sponsored by, brought to you by, and then the third one, supported by. and supported by is used to describe editorially independent content that the Guardian has produced with funding from foundations around the world who support specific projects. Examples could be... What? A grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to help support the Guardian's global development site. Or...

2:03:00 The Joseph Roundtree and Open Society Foundations, that's Soros, supported the award-winning Reading the Riots series. So that's content, I presume very much like PBS NewsHour or the Kaiser Health Report, which is funded directly from foundations, non-governmental organizations who all have an agenda, to support specific projects. Now, let me ask you, if this Guardian's global development site, which I'll go take a look at right now, Western firms reduce Eritrean miners to abject slavery, life on the Ebola front line, I thought of nothing else except my death. Thai government censured for failure to tackle lead pollution, lead pollution, sorry, lead.

2:03:55 Sustainable development goals, eight ways reality can match ambition. This is all presented by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. They are funding this entire, all of this. Ebola and Sierra Leone, burial workers put dignity before danger. Now what was the of the three? Give me the order again. Okay, the order is sponsored by, brought to you by, and supported by. Okay, so the brought to you by is just a straight ad. The other two are kind of beating around the bush ads. Yeah, sketchy. Now, the funny thing about the Guardian, because I'm doing some looking around, they have their sponsored features as an actual link, so you can see what they are.

2:04:44 Sponsored features, planning and pitching nonfiction, beginner's guide to social media for business, how to write better copy. I'm sure if I look at any one of these, I can tell who the advertiser is. Why is it important to marry data quality with patient safety? That's got to be really exciting. I have this IBM Watson or... Five things to do in Brighton at Christmas, brought to you by the locals in Brighton. How to be a music journalist with Tim Jones on the December 18th. How to write and publish a book about food. Take lots of pictures of the food and tweet them. Yes, that's... Get your followers up before... There's another writing thing. There's a bunch of writing things. Here's another copywriting, a two-day boot camp.

2:05:29 Infographic storing of storytelling a one-day workshop. Okay, let's pick one of these and see who now. Where are you looking? Where are you finding this? What do you look I found this under the Guardian comm slash tone? Slash sponsored features so they apparently put their sponsored features on it down a page for people who want to look at just this what idiot wants to look at just sponsored features I would assume there's a Brought to you by our support features too, maybe. I don't know. This is the only one I could find. Well, no, these would all be sponsored features. Oh, wait, sponsored was... Was the first one. That's a category, right. The staff is writing these on behalf of an advertiser. Right. Well, let's take the how to be a music journalist with Tim Jones. Who is... Tim Jones probably... At the bottom it should say, at the bottom of the page it should say sponsored by... I'm going. Oh, it has to ask the name of the company. It doesn't say, I don't see it.

2:06:23 I don't see it either. It's supposed to say sponsored by. Yeah. Oh wait, no. Tudor profile, no. Doesn't say sponsored by. So they're not even doing that much. That's strange. Well, this is a sales job to sign up to how to become a music journalist and it costs you $99 pounds. But man is that is being done by the Guardian okay? They're sponsoring a house out a house ad okay? That's a house that let's find a different one all right house ad It should be beginners guide to social media for business. How about that? Okay? Let me I can't get back to the page there. It is. Oh, this is this is all there. This is another House at yeah 249 to it so this whole thing seems to be rather dubious Yeah, they just this is gotta be one here. That's not from them

2:07:17 I don't know. New image technology transforms colorblind viewing experience. This cannot be from them. Let's go to the bottom. What do you see? This is UEA spin-off. This is iTech. Okay, it says it. Yeah, iTech. Does it say it's a... Does it say it's sponsored by iTech? I'm looking. Currently iTech supports individuals with doternopia. No. Protanopia. It doesn't say anything. I don't see, it really doesn't, doesn't disclaim it does it? No, this is a plug because it says... It just says brought to you by very small on the left hand side UEA. University of East Anglia.

2:07:59 Wow could the type be any the type font be ever and any smaller that but it's not as part of the stream of the story no it's in the fact they have a UEA Advertisement on the right column. Oh, yeah click here applied to the university known for the experience This is the worst kind of journalism in the world. Yes It's the piece is written by for the University of Anglia. It has a very small thing. It's this a brought to you by it doesn't even refer to the article sponsored by sponsored by sponsored by mine says brought to you by but it should be it's from the sponsored by page well maybe they mix the brought to you by and the sponsor who the hell knows what's going on this is terrible yeah it really is and then an advertisement right next to it click here

2:08:46 This is horrible. Now, this is where we can just, I just wanted to use this. And this is the Guardian, winner of the Pulitzer Prize, it says under the logo. That's right. Unacceptable behavior. It says right there, winner of the Pulitzer Prize, yes. And what they're not writing for commercial interest, MI6 is telling them to write. Yeah. Wow, yeah, I know it surprised me too. That's why I really wanted to bring it up just I I was like wow Did they have any category that's just known as journalism? Yeah, you can find it in there once in a while It's really much work as they said in that little picture about it Well, we don't we can't afford to do these stories, but we'll take money and then we'll do them well This is not how we choose to operate anymore

2:09:38 This is a classic example of you, the audience, being the product. In fact, if I load this page right now, I can tell you here it is. Just the Guardian itself. Audience Science, Criteo, DoubleClick, Facebook Connect, Google AdWords. Crux digital out brain and just keeps on going. These are the ones that the cookies and trackers that are in the code. Yeah, they're tracking you like a dog. Yeah, like a dog. Exactly. Like a dog dressed up as Santa Claus. We don't track anybody. No, in fact, the other day I wanted to just... Here's a big secret. I wanted to find out, I had a discussion and just some research

2:10:21 What are the top podcast apps used to listen to the no agenda show? So so void zero and I were working on this then the first thing he says is well The concept of the top is kind of the problem. See what do you mean? Well, there is no actual simple way to calculate these requests some apps Request chunks of the file many times rapidly, which is actually a protocol developed by Apple. And so it shows up as a whole bunch of lines requesting different portions of the same file. So you have to filter that out. And there's proxies and network address translation. There really truly is no way, unless you have

2:11:13 some kind of tracking on in the app itself, which doesn't tell you anything about apps. But you know, if you have tracking in the app, yeah, then you can see who's listening and what they're doing. But across all these different apps, you have no idea. You cannot know what the top is. It's just it's a farce. It's a lie. You cannot track absolute numbers on podcasts. Now, there are ways that PodTrack does it, that give them some other forms of reporting, but truly, you really don't know all that much. It usually redirects. Yeah, exactly. It's redirected. You don't know if someone stopped. You just don't know. So this model breaks. It doesn't work. It does not work. And besides that, you wind up with stupid content like this University of East Anglia puff piece.

2:12:09 And that's why I'm very happy that we're doing it the way we do it. The University of East Anglia. By the way, we made some basic decisions on how we would count stuff. Are you interested in what we think? Yeah, what do you think? So what we think It's always counterintuitive where there's so many more Android handsets out there. But when it comes to podcast listening, head and shoulders above anything, as far as we know, is the Apple iOS Podcasts app. That's number one. And number two is Stitcher. Now that's both

2:13:08 iOS and Android with iOS being slightly higher than Android and nump- Stitcher! Stitcher! The guys who put ads into the- into the- when you pause it. Stitcher. And number three is Overcast, which is I believe iOS only. And then it really drops down and then you get all these things like Dog Catcher and all these other ones. But it's far and almost everything combined, all other apps barely equal what Apple iOS podcasts app in all of its different versions does with this podcast. I'm going to presume it's the same for a lot of podcasts. And I find that interesting.

2:13:51 Yeah, no, I find it fascinating. I had a similar kind of facet, I can't bring it up for some reason, but MailChimp, which takes care of the newsletter, and I hope people would subscribe and not unsubscribe, because occasionally it's really great. Yeah, I'll say. And we make a lot of points in there, good points. They have a list of the email clients. And by far, the number one... IOS, I bet it's... No, no, the number one email client in general is Google Mail. Gmail, of course, of course. And that's all the desktops. But if you swing over to the mobile, it's IOS completely way, head and shoulders above everybody else. And in fact, it is at the transition point where there's more people reading the email

2:14:36 on mobile than they are on PCs, because casually, and I've got the news template is a mobile template, so it looks good on all platforms. But yeah, no, iOS, that is a- You're doing a lot of yeah, no today, I just want to point it out. Oh, okay, yeah, no. No, yeah. I wish I could switch it to no, yeah, because I think that's mind boggling. No, yeah. And by the way, anyway, it's just Apple just dominates this and I think it's because when podcasting began it was pod, iPod, it was the orientation was that and I think it's carried over as a tradition. Well, there's more to it I think but I think it's I think I think the experience in Android is poor.

2:15:21 And there's been no marketing of any really good apps that do it, not that the podcast does. But I'm thinking about it. By the way, I want to point out to everybody, just in case it wasn't obvious, we don't do any statistics. We don't crunch the numbers. We don't care. We do not care about who's listening, where they're coming from, whatever. I asked Void Zero to run one log file for one show for 48 hours. And they had us for two days. We're baffled. I'm so happy I don't do this anymore. I'd rather have a broad-based audience. We have kids that listen, we have people in their 80s listening, and everybody in between, and from all segments of the world.

2:16:02 Yeah. Okay. Let's thank a few of them. We don't have to show any advertisers, any of that, which is great. I love it. Yeah. Cause you have to prove it and do research and all this stuff. I mean, okay. We're not like the, uh, the big podcasts that are selling a MailChimp ads, you know, and then we're okay. We'll, but we'll be unfettered and we will not have to deal with any of this sponsored by bull crap. Right. which we try to make as clear as possible. Anonymous comes in with a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 from Ohio, Dayton, Ohio, as a matter of fact. Merry Christmas, he says. Andrew Terry in Brackley, North Hampshire.

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2:17:34 Kuchinkus, Kuchinskus, I think, in Southington, Connecticut. Sam Leung in Toronto, Sir Sam, that is, Sir Sam Leung, 88, 88, 88, 88, 88, I don't know what that means. I don't, they can't always be doing the eights. John Coffey in Annandale, New South Wales, 80, 80. Yes, I was daydreaming pain notice for the nights. Yeah, I was daydreaming And he says, Sam, make a comment. Whoa, dude, your dollar's gone way up, man. Yeah, I know. We're at 75 cents to our dollar now, the Australian dollar. We have the, we're at 122 euro to dollar, which is like, it's getting there. It's getting down to 120, which is nice. I mean, it's wise because these great gas prices. That helps. We're killing it here. Ben Smith in Greenville, Texas, 75. Also wishes everyone a Merry Christmas. Gregory Davies.

2:18:34 David, oh, and we create the, you know, a little better, the right perspective. You go listen to the real news, you crack up. It's a healthy news diet. Yes, you crack up too. You crack up. It's hilarious. You can't help it. Especially this North Korea stuff. Oh yeah. This is some of the funniest material ever. Scott Olson, San Diego, California. This is David C. Pugh in Massillon, Ohio, 69-69. Scott Olson, San Diego, California, 68-33. Sir Jeff Yerke over here.

2:19:18 We've got a record project I gotta get back on the stick with that. Is that your Red Fox project? Yes, yes, the Red Fox project. You know how long I've heard about this? It's like five years you've been working on that project. Yeah, we've got a lot of the stuff done. Oh yeah, and what are you gonna release it on? We don't know. Oh, okay. It's like an exercise with... It's like a dot-com idea. Oh yeah. Just do it. Robert Lane, Rialto, California, $65. Paul Love in Mechanicsville, Virginia, $60.60. David Oliver in San Francisco, California, $60. Jefferson C. Poston, East Massachusetts, double nickels on the dime. Marion Alavila, 55.10 from the Philippines. Oh, we have too many of those. George Oberhofer, Jackson, New Jersey,

2:20:11 Gary Wiley in Sequim, Washington, 50. Is that how you pronounce that? Yeah. Yeah. Because it says S-E-Q-U-I-M, Sequim? Yeah, Sequim. Sequim. All right. Named after an Indian tribe. Newbies that show up in the area always call it a sequim. Oh, wrong. Yeah, then they beat them up and kill them, throw them in a ditch. So you better make sure you get that right. Andy Clements in Maine-Nuth, Maine-Nuth, County Kildare. Ireland. We've got a lot of islands. Nice. And curiously, Eric Veit in Dublin, California. Oh, Dublin, California. Now that's your crazy number theory right there. Yeah, it's a little... We've got an actual person from Ireland and then underneath that someone from Dublin, California. Yeah, it makes no sense.

2:21:04 David Smolski in Austin town, Ohio, 50. These are all 50s. Sir Brian Watson in Raleigh, North Carolina. Damian Curry, your buddy, in McLeod, Victoria. Martin van Galen lost. Martin van Galen lost. Martin van Galen lost. Martin van Galen lost. Beneden Leeuwen. In Beneden Leeuwen. 50. Was it that bad? You're not even trying, you're just mocking. You're just mocking. You're just mocking. I'm not mocking. No, no, no. No, no, no. You're getting it all wrong. Now I'm lost.

2:21:45 Well, go back to Benedictine Union. John DeSantis in Fort Pierce, Florida. These are all 50s. Justin Bloom in Madison, Alabama. Danielle Swayze, possibly, in Gresham, Oregon. Sir David Trotsky in Romeoville, Illinois comes in commonly. We thank him. Benjamin Smith in Oakland over here by me and Sir Mark Tanner in Whittier, California. We want to thank all these folks for helping us with the show 680. And remember, we have 681, the special Christmas show coming up on Thursday, dvork.org slash NA. That's right, everybody. Thank you so much.

2:22:24 Especially everyone who came in under the $50 level for anonymity purposes or you're one of the subscriptions It really really is highly appreciated I think you really enjoy the value you get from this content so much more when it's the actual product we put together for you And it is a product. We know this is not something we don't just jump out of bed on Thursdays and Sundays go No we are Creating a product not using the public as a product exciting some phony thing that looks like a product Exactly you're dealing with when you're watching anything commercial anything pretty much anything anything including NPR and PBS public radio public television is not commercial free

2:23:05 You're never gonna see... Bill Gates sucks shit! Burlington Northern could have a complete sex scandal and they would never be discussed on the news hour. Probably not. I do have a note from a 30... I just have to throw in something from someone that's a $33 a month subscriber that's been that way for a while. Sure. And he wants to highlight Fabian Scherchl from Hanover. He and his fellow podcast producer Dan Lynch have been producing one of the most popular Linux podcasts, Linux Outlaws. And sadly they've announced the end of the Linux Outlaws after 370 episodes. We could have probably plugged them earlier. I wanted to see that they were recognized. Fab frequently talks about no agenda on his podcast.

2:23:55 And without it, I probably would have never found the show. Why do you think they stopped? What happened? Well, you don't know. So if you could find a bit of Christmas spirit to give Fab and Dan a shout out to let them know firstly, thanks for hitting me in the mouth. And secondly, thanks for the second best podcast in the universe. They'll be missed. Tom Green. This is a problem. And this is also an opportunity, John. A gap in the market. We can do a Linus podcast. Dvorak.org slash N-A. If you wake up with the blues, trying to fill your day with news, there's one thing you must remember, no agenda in the morning. For a healthy balanced news diet, try noagendashow.com. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs!

2:24:52 Well, we can make it really short for today's birthday segment only one Sir Ted Haasman celebrates tomorrow and we say happy birthday to our knight of the Noah Jenner roundtable from all your friends here at the best podcast in the universe And we also have one night This is Nicholas McFall who I think he's this is he's been saving for a while. No, I I believe so. I believe so. Let me see. Can we just wait a minute, let's reread his note here. Yes, listened for several years but only started, oh, started donating this year. The analysis presented on the show was outstanding, couldn't think of a better show to support. I would encourage every listener to make a donation, even a small one, as the first is the hardest.

2:25:38 Do you think that's true? It's the hardest, the first donation? A lot of people don't have...they can't bring themselves, a lot of our listeners can't bring themselves to donating anything because they think everything should be free. And meanwhile, of course, they're watching commercial television. Even if they're skipping it with their DVR, they're catching a lot of this stuff. And that is the same as paying. You might as well be sending these douchebags money. Except they're deriving so much more value from you. Yeah, because the Product you get from these commercial operations is not Outstanding it's not honest. It's dishonest material. We're honest Yeah, I'm pretty damn honest. Yeah Nicholas McFaul step forward my friend you are now

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2:27:15 So I've been going back and forth with Uncle Don on this North Korea thing, as you know. And I told him, I said, you watch, they're going to come out and they're going to confirm it's North Korea. And of course, he has not gotten back to me. I don't know exactly why, but I'm sure that there's all kinds of conversations going on. Now, he is so bane from mainstream media because of his opinions as a serious guy, you know, 50 years in the CIA, Ambassador to South Korea, now working for the Pacific Century Institute, I think it is. Yeah, I can't remember. Yeah, some money guys. He actually, you know that he, when he left, Goldman Sachs gave him a contract. Did we talk about this? No, I don't remember this. Yeah. And he, he said he hated it so much

2:28:12 He was so disgusted by what the things they wanted him to do, he quit and he gave all his shares back. Because they'd given him shares. Yeah, I also kind of said, dude, he does not like those guys. So when you don't like those guys, you're pretty much... If you don't like him, you keep the shares. Well, he's a man of principle. He's 87. But he doesn't need the money. So he did get asked onto a roundtable in New York, a roundtable discussion on, I'd never even heard of this outfit, RNN, the Regional News Network. Wow. This is getting, this is getting... Sounds Russian. No, it's actually, if you look at, let me see, I have it here somewhere. RNN is, it's a little outfit that owns

2:29:02 I don't know, eight local stations around the New York, the upstate New York, upstate area. I mean, it's really, it's, it's, I think it's unworthy, but, uh, well, they have a nice building. Oh, beautiful building half in the water there and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, here's, so they had Don on for about 20 minutes, uh, talking about, uh, the, the rectal feeding torture report. And I thought his part of what he said was funny and clip worthy here on the best podcast in the universe. When you go through the report, we outsourced

2:29:38 to two shrinks who've never done an interrogation, forget they don't speak Farsi, they don't know anything about Al-Qaeda. And by the way, Don has this great way of smiling at someone when they say these horrible things. Yeah. I've noticed this. It's something he does when he'll be really smiling like he's ready to burst out laughing while you... it's a trick. He's doing something very specific. You have to watch this. And he'll just be smiling from ear to ear while you're saying these horrible things about torture. And I don't know why, but it's something, there's got to be some tactic in here that we don't know about. And we're paying him $81 million dollars, taxpayer money, with a contract for part of my two yahoos who don't even know the first thing about it.

2:30:18 And we're letting them figure out where the line is? I mean, you spent a lot of years in government service, a lot of years with the CIA. How do we get to the point where we're outsourcing to people who I don't think have the authority to make these decisions and then we have to defend it? Well, we get into that business when we're asked to do things which is basically not what we signed up to do. We did not sign up to be jailkeepers and interrogators. We were asked by JFK to murder Castro and we weren't very good at assassinating. I was involved in the hearings in 1975, church committee, and we made eight attempts to get Castro and failed in all of them. So we're not very good assassins or we weren't and we're lousy torturers. And I'm glad to say that's true in both cases.

2:31:06 And it's just, I used to think that the best thing I had going for me as a CIA officer was the fact that I was an American. And the fact that we did not torture our people. Everybody knew the Soviets did. And there was a huge difference. I now have a very close friend who's dual citizenship. She's an Arabic specialist and when she goes into the Middle East, the closest guard and the secret she has is that she's American. and she goes by her French citizenship. And we've done that to ourselves. And I think we need to stop it. I hope that this will become an issue in the election. I think Obama knows that we need an effective CIA, so he's not throwing the whole agency under the bus. He trusts Brennan. And I thought Brennan tried to do a good job the other day, and when he said, it is unknowable

2:32:02 whether or not these EITs really led us to capture Osama Bin Laden. And I think that's a pretty honorable statement. He's still a company man, our Don. Yeah, yeah, well, of course. And I like the fact that he says, you know, when it comes to killing people and torture, we just suck. We're no good at assassinations. We're pretty good with the drones. Well, he didn't say that we weren't any good with that. And by the way, I don't think we are. For how many real terrorists who are really coming over here to really attack us are we taking out compared to the number of citizens, I'm sorry, possible militants? Come on. None? Yeah.

2:32:48 We're horrible. But isn't that the idea? Just to blow people up? Just because we like blowing stuff up? It's horrible. It's not, it's not really not even funny, really. It's, it's pathetic. All right, well that was interesting. Well... It was interesting that you got the clip at all. Yeah. How did you get that clip? Uh, it showed up in my news feed. He didn't tell me about it. And all of a sudden the video showed up. I, you know, I search for stuff all the time. I'm sure he didn't have any, he just happened to have a news feed that's got some keywords. Yeah, I search all kinds of stuff. I did find, someone sent me this article.

2:33:29 You know, talking about these, when you think of these, of the torture, the rectal feeding and all this business and the rendition flights, you know, you put... Do you like hummus? Exactly. Jake, I'm not a doctor and neither are you. Damn it, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a diplomat. And you think about, you know, who's being renditioned away to go into these secret, you know, camps and basements and be tortured. You don't really think immediately about just some guy from Canada who was on his way home from a family trip abroad, stops at JFK. I had never heard this story before. Oh. And had you heard about this? No, no, I think I have, but play... No, I don't have a clip. It's...

2:34:24 This guy's name is, well he has a very unfortunate name, Maher Arar. He's full of full just Canadian and he lands in JFK and he is literally seized by the CIA, thrown onto a jet, rendered out through Bangor, Maine and was gone for 10 months being tortured. The Canadian government was bitching about. Yeah, and it was tortured. He said, one time they used to question prisoners for two hours, then put them in a waiting room so they can hear others screaming, then bring them back to continue interrogation. Electrical cable, two inches thick, hit me with it everywhere in my body, mostly aimed for my palms. Sometimes the miss hit my wrists, struck me on my hips, lower back, constantly threatening me with metal chair, tire, electric shocks. Yes, an enhanced interrogation. You know, we can debate what the meaning of torture is.

2:35:21 Oh man, but you never think it's just some Canadian dude. Like wait a minute. Canada, hey, stay home next year. Just some Canadian dude. It's horrible. It's just horrible. That's okay. They're all in on it. Everybody thinks it's great. I guess. All right. I got an interesting little side thing here. You play the Snowden in Germany. I didn't know any of this was going on. Now when Edward Snowden revealed what America was up to, spying on civilians around the world, it came at a cost to his safety and also his own citizenship. But with it has come incredible popularity with posters, music and even art devoted to him. Some even describe him as a new pop icon of our times. Yugor Piskunov travelled to Germany where the persecuted whistleblower has obtained quite a fan base.

2:36:15 Edward Snowden is keen that everyone knows becoming a celebrity was the last thing he was aiming for. But whether he likes it or not, he's now famous and in Germany has a lot of fans. One artist symbolically renamed a street in Berlin in dedication to the whistleblower. In another event inspired by his revelations, an NSA in the house message was projected onto the side of the US embassy. He is a hero, yeah. Yeah, I know this. I know this is happening. I didn't know this was going on and I want to put a commentary for there. We have a lot of Deutschland listeners.

2:36:57 I would like to get one of these posters. There's two kinds. There's the bigger one and there's a small one they stick on poles. I wouldn't mind having either one. The small one looks like a sticker. I think the big one's actually a real poster. I want to get one. I think it's a collectible. I agree. This is really big. This is Berlin mainly. Berlin has become the center of freedom fighters, but of course, completely misguided about Berlin being the place you want to be. In fact, it's the place where the NSA really wants you to be. Yeah, it's our main... It's a honeypot city. It's our main hub of activity. It's exactly where you want it to be. Berlin's got... has always had this magical aspect. A lot of cities do, Paris.

2:37:45 Madrid to some extent, but Berlin is always, even though when it was, you know, all busted up by the powers that beat Germany in World War II, it revitalized itself. And if you go there, it's a very lively, comfortable place. I think I want to go. I want to go check it out a bit. I want to see... You haven't been there? Well, of course, I've been to Berlin, but I haven't been since the Snowden revelations. Oh, since Snowden. Oh, yeah, you should go. I'd love to go and see what's going on. Yeah, do a podcast from there. Well, a couple maybe. There's a lot of people. Well, of course, this is also where Poitras and... Or I heard someone say Poitras.

2:38:21 I swear to God, Laura Poitras. Maybe we're not saying it right. I don't know. No, but when she's sitting there in front of Amy Goodman and Amy Goodman says Laura Poitras. It's not Poitras. And Poitras sits there and doesn't say, no, no, no, it's pronounced Poitra. Or she didn't say anything in the pre-meeting, the pre-interview. It seems that that's her name, Poitras. I want to keep it Poitras. It's like Tim Collins. You can call her Poitras. Poitras. Poitras. Poitras. The Applebaum is there, Applesauce, the tour man, what's her name? Snowden's former girlfriend, the cute one who was Assange's former girlfriend. Oh, not the stripper. No, not the stripper. The stripper is supposed to be a Moscow with him now, whatever.

2:39:11 Yeah, I think I've heard that too. He's also missing some teeth on the right. I saw the last video he did which was missing teeth now on the right hand side. Yeah, it's always a Google hangout the right hand side of his face. Yeah, so the left hand would be a left hook the left or Black is on the right hand side of his face. That would be a left hook probably delivered by some bruiser well, I believe I've never really paid attention or I've never seen it. Most of the time, I guess we've always seen his face mainly left profile, which is why I've always seen the broken nose guard on the glasses. When he wears the glasses, well, he only wears the glasses when he's being Snowden, when he's being the guy. Yeah, the Snowden, the brand. Yeah, you never see when he's out on the street in Moscow, he's not brand Snowden. I wonder if he's learned Russian by now. It seems that he should have.

2:40:04 I don't know if it's easy. It's pretty fluent the language when you're there that long. It may not be that easy to learn. Anyone can learn any language if you're stuck there. Um, let's see, I have some things from Bamford about Germany. I don't want to play that. I don't think that's interesting really. I think the most interesting thing is here's the cop killer run down, play that. Yeah this is in New York. Now to New York, police officers have been shot dead in their patrol car in what appears to be vengeful executions. The officers were ambushed and shot at point blank range. The gunman later committed suicide by turning the weapon on himself. He made threats on social media to kill police officers just hours before the shooting in response to the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner. I don't think I can recall a time when some guy who was committed acts of violence, including death, has not killed himself. They always wind up killing themselves.

2:41:06 I find that unusual. Never are the guys taken alive. They're always killing themselves. Always. You're in a cabin, you've been running from the cops for months, you get burned to death, but he killed himself in the flames. Yeah, so you can never talk to the guy. Whatever the case is, if this is true, we assume that at least the dead policemen are true, as the story goes. Yeah, it's Sharpton. He should be arrested. But funny you say that. No, no, he's actually working in the White House. Yeah, funny you say that. So we have a huge fracas going on now between the PBA, which is, you know, pretty much the... Professional Bowlers Association. Yeah.

2:41:48 Policeman's Benevolent Association. And the mayor of New York, Bill de Blasio, and literally saying, de Blasio and Sharpton have blood on their hands. Blood on their hands, they're saying. And I'm in on it. I'm in on it too. And the police, the mayor came out and did some speech. The police turned their backs on him. This is not a good thing. This is not how the mayor and the police usually interact. And this is problematic. You want some problems with policemen, New York cops, Chicago would be some too. New York, oh my God. This is not the guys you want to have against you. No. This is not the guys you want who are saying, hey, you know what? Why don't we just do everything by the book? No, definitely not. You don't want that. Your city's going to fall apart pretty quickly. And I agree. Sharpton,

2:42:47 Of all people, Sharpton being an advisor now to the White House consistently is troublesome, man. I mean, this guy, I was in New York in the 80s and we had the Tawana Brawley case and Sharpton was just such and so annoying. And of course, that turned out to be not true. And, you know, people just don't, people are stupid. They don't learn from history. This guy is a charlatan. And luckily there's a lot of families who are saying, hey, yeah, man, you don't speak for us, go away. Some of them are doing that finally, but that doesn't really, I guess a little bit of reporting, not much. Like I said, the Obama administration is fairly stupid.

2:43:34 and subject to bullshit artists. And I would go back to the CTO, CEO, whatever that guy's title was, Kundra, who said that Skip Logic was some sort of thing and people were out there speaking cobalt and whatever. He just sounded like a moron. He doesn't know anything. But oh no, Skip Logic. Skip Logic, everybody. Hey, J. Johnson's the last thing I got for us. J. Johnson is our replacement for Lucy Napolitano. J. No, that's Juh. Juh. It's Juh. Juh Johnson. No, it is Juh. It's not J, Juh. But you pronounce it J. No, you pronounce it Juh. It's like dash, like dash. Juh. Juh. Juh. J. Johnson. Juh. Mr. Secretary Johnson. There you go.

2:44:25 Now, we've got a lot of, how do you say correctly, undocumented citizens here in Texas. I know, I'm sure several. Yeah, I think we have a few in California. Everywhere. And now I have a personal, I have personal feelings about what's going on, how this works. And what is unacceptable to me is the general statement, our immigration system is broken. You know, it's like, fuck you. That's not, don't say that. It's not broken. It's become bureaucratic, it's become unaffordable, and it's become... It hasn't been enforced. There are laws on the books that are not enforcing. That, but I'll leave that for what it is.

2:45:12 It should not cost $7,000 per person just to become legal in America. It just shouldn't. It makes no sense. It's never been that way. And it's all since this went from the State Department to the Department of Homeland Security. This is a morass of bullcrap. It needs to stop. That whole department needs to go away. It's crazy. And then you get, so now the idea is, because people are so confused, there was no executive order. The only thing that is being applied is discretion, which any agency can apply discretion on who they are going to go after and deport. And it's felons, not families. If you remember, this is the little mantra that they put in. Felons, not families.

2:45:59 But the Mexican population, who I know and who I believe are probably undocumented here, they are afraid of this guy saying this. From my homeland security perspective, we want to encourage people who are in fact not removal priorities and have not been for years. These are people who are just simply not going to be deported. Because they've been here for years. We don't have the resources and they become integrated members of society And if they're not removal priorities, ie they're not criminals. I want them. I want to know who they are I want them to come out of the shadows And so we're offering people consistent with our legal authority the opportunity to come out of the shadows Submit to a background check and be held accountable Right away, sir

2:46:53 Now, any illegal immigrant that happens to be here for years knows the ropes, and that ain't the ropes. Nobody, nobody is gonna go, oh yeah, no, this is a great idea. But finally, finally they're asking me to come out of the shadows and put my name on the list. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, this is not going to happen. Oh, I'm in Hitler's Germany. I can now change my name back to Rabinowitz. You're not a... what are they? Priority. Uh-huh.

2:47:30 People are so afraid now because they're just, now they're really quivering. No one even trusts, no one trusts any of this. Of course not. They're not stupid. Ugh. Yeah, but it's, people are going back to Mexico. They're just leaving. Screw this place. Well, yeah. Probably the right attitude. If the Mexican economy ever picked up, there would probably be a lot more going back, but it's been ruined. Indeedy. Alright everybody, well have yourselves a Merry Christmas, a Happy Hanukkah, a Super Solstice, a Kik and Kwanzaa, what else do we have?

2:48:13 Festivus fine Festivus. That's right you staying in California going to know I'm going up north Washington as you would say Washington worse Washington Washington So we have our Christmas special. I hope you like it. It was kind of us deconstructing us. I'm not sure I don't know. It's good. I think it is good. It's actually one of the best shows we've ever done and You'll be hearing it In real time if you want, but also on the podcast, we'll release it simultaneously on Christmas Day. Right, and we'll be back Sunday after Christmas. Yes, we will. And then again, we'll be working on New Year's. That's right. Also. That's right. Bringing... We could do another, you know... No, no, no, no, no. We're going to try and do another outstanding product for you. And I'll be coming to you then from FEMA Region 6 where I am today. In the morning everybody, my name's Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where we have ant problems.

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