Episode 663 · Friday, 24 October 2014

Pupil Progression Plan

Corruption allegations hit the NSA as a former director monetizes state secrets while the White House deploys a new czar to manage the domestic Ebola narrative.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 663

About this episode

Former NSA Director Keith Alexander faces intense scrutiny for hiring the agency’s current CTO to work at his private consulting firm, IronNet. This hybrid arrangement allows government-hired talent to sell surveillance expertise to private competitors, effectively turning state-sponsored spying into a corporate service. The revelation coincides with reports of deep-seated nepotism at Sigint Consulting, where an NSA employee and her husband allegedly manage circular contracts that siphon federal funds back into private hands.

Global health narratives shift as the World Health Organization declares Nigeria Ebola-free, while the White House appoints Ron Klain as the new Ebola Czar. Despite the lack of direct flights from West Africa, Senator Ted Cruz continues to demand travel bans, a move characterized as calculated fear-mongering for the 2014 midterms. Meanwhile, GlaxoSmithKline CEO Sir Andrew Witty fast-tracks a vaccine for Christmas delivery, demanding government indemnification for a product that has bypassed traditional long-term safety trials. In the Middle East, the Associated Press reports Lebanon is being drawn into the conflict with the Islamic State, mirroring the 2007 Wesley Clark memo regarding the systematic destabilization of seven specific nations.

Adam Curry recounts a brush with a local healer known as the witch on the hill after a severe fever sparked a personal Ebola scare in Austin. The linguistic police arrive as John C. Dvorak challenges the marketing fabrication of the word craisin, insisting on the term dried cranberry. The duo also examines the Secret Service’s attempt to use a fake warrant in Nashville and the bizarre media glee surrounding a Palin family brawl in Alaska.


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CHAPTER 01 / 47 Discussion

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak Health Update

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 663 of the No Agenda show by discussing their current health struggles. Curry describes losing the lower register of his voice and struggling with lung pressure while performing sick. Dvorak notes that Curry typically sounds normal on air despite being "sick as a dog."

adam curry· john c. dvorak· illness· podcast performance· voice projection

00:00 Everyone looks like a douchebag now. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak It's Thursday October 23rd 2014 it's time for your Gidmonation Media Assassination Episode 663 This is no agenda Suckin' on a lozenge and broadcasting from FEMA Region 6 in the capital of the drone star state Austin Tejas In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where we are actually coming up on show Six six six You what I'm John C. Dvorak Wow rough you've been ill You know and and I wrote it down, but I want to stop you right there Yeah, yeah, no exactly I know I know what you're gonna say No, I know what you're gonna say you probably I wrote it down. I'm gonna say you're sick too often oh

00:56 Oh, no I wasn't going to say that. You're wrong! I was just gonna tell the people that are gonna listen for the next three hours... 245 it should be but it goes to 3 and uh... I could die. You're hearing a guy who can be sick as a dog when he goes on the air he performs like a pro It sounds normal. He doesn't sound sick as last time he was sick, he didn't sound sick at all. I lose something in the lower register of my voice and the pressure coming out of my lungs is not enough to project. Yeah it's right there.

CHAPTER 02 / 47 Discussion

Adam Curry Ebola Scare and Austin Art Benefit

Adam Curry recounts falling ill after attending an outdoor benefit dinner for the Zach Theater in Austin, Texas. He describes experiencing a fever of 102.9 degrees and shivering, leading to a brief concern that he had contracted Ebola. The discussion touches on the "magic Ebola number" of 101.5 degrees and the irony of a media critic potentially dying from a disease he labeled a hoax.

ebola· austin· zach theater· fever· art alliance austin

01:34 It's a little use proximity effect to make it out. It's hard, I go close now... I'm gonna make yourself aware but yeah you're blowing my theory right? Well so imagine the world after Sunday show which was pop Austin, which is a Boston. It would vary. I have to say a valid valiant try by the art Alliance Austin commercial kids who are trying to get some modern art going in Austin being that being a more coastal urban type setting, uh, which is desperately lacking and, uh, and Austin. And then there's also this other thing called the art alliance Austin, which is a very different kind of art alliance.

02:24 And Mickey and I were in there for about a total of eight minutes. And like, okay let's go with good try no doubt about it but it was warm was big hall type setting where they do weddings in town so it was kind of cool but you know they had all the... It doesn't really matter I'm pretty sure that's where I picked it up So Sunday we have this benefit dinner We're invited to after the show which I typically don't do because I'm already tired and now just already tired And this was for the Zach Theater. With all of the performers, it was a beautiful benefit and we were invited by Eric, the constitutional lawyer who... Let's put it this way his last name is the name of the street in front of the theater so he built this place. So you know where has arm candy and I know it's always fun when you get free shows, free dinner. You are on one side and Mickey's on the other with the arm-in-arm? Exactly that's how we do it with Eric

03:22 And it's outside underneath the tent and it wasn't warm at all, but I'm just like wow. I'm sweating and I thought because I had a... maybe was the material of my shirt? Mickey was like are you okay? So yeah feel okay but I'm just sweating! I don't know. Now this is on the Friday event No no this is the Sunday event Oh so you had already been sick That's where that's where I think I picked up the bug So we come home, and I was like 10.30 or 11 and we go to bed within 15 minutes i'm shivering like a monkey with no hair. Oh you got the heebie-jeebies! And this turns into of course that's because your internal thermostat is adjusting it needs to kick start the sweat procedure

04:10 And Mickey's like, what's wrong? I'm sick. And we take my temperature 101 point four now We know that one on 1.5 is the Ebola Magic number and wait. I thought it was 100 What was yours again? I had one of those points for that was the magic no no no no one oh one point five as I looked it up That's the magic Ebola number. Are you eating from your eyes, your ears and your mouth? Well Mickey kept saying oh I can't wait for the explosive diarrhea part when is that gonna happen? But I'll tell you this, at a certain point it was 102.9 so that was little more extreme than I had bargained for and this goes on for 48 hours straight. Oh you may have had Noro did you have the craps? No not at all nothing no never wasn't Noro then now maybe it's just the seasonal flu virus or but if you know at the certain point I think it's not a two to forty eight hour product oh is it longer than

05:15 Yeah, so I don't know what this was it was just well. So then of course you know it was something going around yeah And and I'm thinking how funny will be for the guy who's telling everyone that Ebola is such a big hoax to then die from Ebola That'll be funny Great that would be legendary wouldn't it? The books on now one And then of course I did what that thought actually crossed your mind very briefly kind of in a ha-ha funny But not not really laughter kinda wait for a moment just for a brief brief moment Oh, or you know they will certainly like I can just see the meeting hey You know what we're so sick and tired this guy was given this Just kill him make it look like he's a little quicker. They look like Ebola blood blow his head explode So of course I did what we always do here? I went to see the witch on the hill

CHAPTER 03 / 47 Discussion

Holistic Healing and the Witch on the Hill

Adam Curry describes visiting a local healer named Deva, referred to as "the witch on the hill," to recover from his illness. The treatment involved massages and the purported removal of entities, which Curry claims left him feeling refreshed. The hosts contrast the effectiveness of mechanical medicine and antibiotics with the body's natural ability to heal through alternative methods.

deva· holistic healing· entity removal· modern medicine· antibiotics

06:12 And she, man she really did. She did great for me yesterday Yeah what did the witch do? The witch and she lives in this house on the hill with chickens They live on a house on a hill that's kind of spooky or in a cave Shes' on the house on the hill With the iron gate that doesn't even open you have to walk around the gate That's it Her name is Deva D-E-V-A And she's about five foot one and she's got a million cats and chickens walking through the house through the house Cats and chickens in the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah Everything works then if she takes me up to her or treatment room I

07:06 Yeah, I'm not kidding John. This is real and now i see her often but you know... And then she massages his whole massage and then removes entities and she talks to it She says you know... She talks to the entity yeah? And then she takes it out. It's what you're saying. I got mixed up And I woke up this morning, and had a great rest. And I felt thoroughly refreshed." You know, I'll tell you modern medicine today outside of mechanical medicine which has gotten really good and our tools for fractures we can do great things with stents on the real mechanics of the human body and antibiotics are extremely advanced but everything else isn't just pain management? We've got that down! But all this other stuff...

07:59 your body is much, I think much more sophisticated at healing itself. So I'd rather have a witch doctor or the voodoo guy do some stuff and my body takes over and it really works all this other... just imagine going to the hospital first of all you know i would have to sit there and say Yeah, I think I did visit West Africa. You know just to see what would happen you know I don't Think isolation I don't think I could resist hey, but Ebola is over John it's Everybody's cured everybody's cured I Know a couple these guys got cured pretty quickly and in Nigeria Nigeria is clean yeah, it's it's Ebola free

CHAPTER 04 / 47 Discussion

Nigeria Ebola Free and Ron Klain Appointment

The World Health Organization declared Nigeria Ebola-free after 42 days without new cases, a number the hosts link to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The discussion shifts to the appointment of Ron Klain as the Ebola Czar, with the hosts criticizing his appearance and past comments on global population growth. They suggest Klain's rhetoric aligns with eugenicist ideologies regarding resource demands in Africa and Asia.

ebola· nigeria· ron klain· who· eugenics

08:42 one case or they were afraid could win it because it showed up in Lagos which is a one of the world's most densely populated cities. If it didn't go crazy there, this disease is a flop. Well here's what's interesting did you know what the exact number of days that the WHO requires for there to be no new cases of Ebola and therefore to proclaim an area Ebola free? Seven. Nope. Ten? No, it's a magic number John not 33 but it is and so... It's three? No 42 Oh 42 Yes As we know... Well that hasn't been 42 days since the well okay maybe it has been Which as we know was the answer to all things in the universe according to The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy yes 42 And uh so the nurse Amber Vinson she's Ebola free everyone everyone's cleared up you bring in this czar guy

09:47 And it's amazing what he can do! Yeah, they just got there. But let's just really state one obvious thing... This guy Ron Klain? I think the only thing more offensive than this Ebola hoax is that guy's rug. My goodness, that is the worst toupee I've ever seen in my life. Well, I don't think it's the worst but it's pretty bad. Ugh come on, that thing is horrendous. I think he wears it backwards Someone should create Ron Klain's rug, you know a Twitter account. He certainly isn't talking to anybody! Well actually I got a clip this is before he was the czar and it's a little out of context but this is just...I think the question was what he thinks about the world in general or here's his answer.

10:42 The top leadership issue in our world today is how to deal with the continuing growing population of the world and all the resource demands places on the world. And emerging populations in Africa, Asia that lack resources to have a healthy happy life and I think we've gotta find a way to make the world work for everyone. Yeah by killing a lot of those people in Africa It's like a eugenicist. He's a huge sounds a bit like it? Yeah, no it sounds like that to me Basically is one of our basic thesis on the whole thing mm-hmm muzzle stick with it. There's also a confirmation so I had emailed John I said dude I'm gonna be light being enough to help and actually last night after after the witch visit I Kate you know stuff kicked in I got a couple clips and stuff kind of worked

CHAPTER 05 / 47 Discussion

Obama Broken Travel and NSA Surveillance

A listener highlights a clip of President Barack Obama using the phrase "disease in place" and discussing "broken travel" as a strategy to bypass flight bans. The hosts question how individuals can hide their travel history in a modern surveillance state managed by the NSA. They argue the NSA is more focused on domestic monitoring than tracking potential disease carriers.

barack obama· broken travel· nsa· surveillance· disease in place

11:38 What was that? We just got a note from some guy who sent us a clip where Obama makes the comment that... Yeah, I have the... Hold on. Here's what here's the note. Bart Olson. Right. On last Sunday show 24 Minutes In you were playing an Obama clip about broken travel and no travel ban to use the phrase with a disease in place That term is commonly used when we are the one placing something, like troops in place. He made it sound like it was a strategy and of course I pulled the clip

12:15 And let's have a listen to that. People do not readily disclose their information, they may engage in something called broken travel essentially breaking up their trip so that they can hide the fact that they have been to one of these countries where there is disease in place as a result we may end up getting less information Yeah Do we have a disease in place yet? Wow We missed that. Disease in place, and by the way with the NSA and all these hot shots following us all around how come they can't keep track of somebody traveling on an airplane which is all public documents as far as I can tell? All i'm seeing is that the NSA is probably more interested in us than they are actually doing what we thought they were supposed to be doing Oh yeah! I don't see how broken travel could take place in a surveillance state like this

CHAPTER 06 / 47 Discussion

Person of Interest and Tech Backdoors

The hosts play a clip from the television show Person of Interest to illustrate the reality of state surveillance. The clip depicts characters discussing the use of NSA backdoors to access data from Google and Yahoo. This serves as a lead-in to a broader discussion about the extracurricular activities of intelligence officials.

person of interest· nsa· google· yahoo· backdoors

13:07 I was watching Persons of Interest, which has got a very interesting perspective on this sort of surveillance state. And i have a clip that I think kind of summarizes both their snideness and also maybe a truth. Don't wait, stop. What's happened is that there are these two machines competing for control of the earth and they're trying to get information on somebody who is floating around and either somebody's trying to kill somebody or somebody's gonna get killed and they need to find out as much information as they can and 2 of the principals of this show were discussing this including a guy who invented one of the machines. No evidence that she knew the election was fixed perhaps even she wasn't aware

13:57 Either way, she's working for the wrong side. We have to find something. Have you tried the NSA? We can't hack them but we can go to the NSA sources, the back doors I'll do Google You take Yahoo Go to the back doors, Batman. That's right. I'll take Google you take Yahoo! It just took his line of the day for that show. That's pretty funny. What? Um...I want to circle back to Ebola but there was something i was reading from two different sources about the NSA um The extracurricular activity of the NSA is very interesting

CHAPTER 07 / 47 Discussion

Keith Alexander and IronNet Cybersecurity Ethics

Former NSA Director Keith Alexander is criticized for hiring the current NSA CTO to work part-time at his private consulting firm, IronNet. Reuters reports this hybrid arrangement is intended to keep technological expertise within the government, but the hosts characterize it as a "scam." They suggest the firm essentially sells the ability to spy on competitors using government-hired talent.

keith alexander· ironnet· nsa· cto· conflict of interest

14:37 Let's see, of course we know that Kaiser Alexander left and started his own consulting company but apparently he has hired on a part-time basis the current CTO of the NSA who works for Kaiser Alexander's Iron Net outfit 20 hours a week. What? Yeah! Yeah, I have it's from ridiculous that you would you could do this. You think that's it? Hold on let me see them current or former US This is from Reuters current a former us intelligent official some of whom requested anonymity Of course I bet to discuss personnel matter said they could not recall a previous instance in which a high-ranking us intelligence official was allowed to concurrently work for private sector firm Let's see Dowd wanted to join IronNet

15:35 And the deal was devised as a way to keep Dow's technological expertise at least partly within the US government rather than losing it permanently to the private sector. Oh, see this is what it is... This is great scam! Yeah we in order to attract you know this kind of high quality talent we have to We have to make good deals with them. I wanted Pat to stay at the NSA He wanted to come on board Alexander said he acknowledged that the hybrid arrangement It's awkward, but and felt that his leaving the government was the wrong thing for the NSA and our nation Hey you better go hire iron net because these guys they can spy on all of your competitors Yeah, what it sounds like? And then there's this other woman This is a much more extensive story

CHAPTER 08 / 47 Discussion

Sigint Consulting and NSA Contractor Nepotism

A BuzzFeed report reveals that an NSA employee and her husband operate Sigint Consulting, which contracts with secondary firms doing business with the NSA. The hosts argue this circular contracting demonstrates deep-seated corruption within the federal government. They compare the government to a bloated corporation that inevitably becomes corrupt once it reaches a certain size.

sigint consulting· nsa· buzzfeed· drs signal solutions· corruption

16:21 Her name is Shay. She's also at the NSA, let me get bring it up here. This was a surprisingly enough this was A story from BuzzFeed who once in awhile have some real Real reporting unless this is some kind of native ad I don't know who knows you can't trust them really This woman her name is she and her husband Shay her husband James Shay what's her name looking for her name? Teresa they have a company called Sigint Consulting. And interestingly enough, Sigint Consulting contracts with DRS Signal Solutions which does contracting for the NSA. So she's working for the NSA and then in a roundabout way working for the NSA through a secondary contractor. The whole thing is ludicrous and

17:27 You know if you want, there's a huge distrust in government today. And this doesn't help? No of course not but think of our president is the chief executive think of The United States government or any government as a corporation Any company over two employees sucks after awhile it's just true especially one that has hundreds of thousands, you know it sucks and it becomes corrupt and... It happens. It just happens I'm quickly back to Ebola just because I found a couple of things that I think will interest everybody Oh! I did want to play because we were talking about this on Sunday I wanted to play short clip from the man who I've lost all respect for Ted Cruz

CHAPTER 09 / 47 Discussion

Ted Cruz and Republican Fear Politics

Senator Ted Cruz is criticized for advocating for flight bans from Ebola-stricken countries despite the lack of direct flights to the United States. The hosts argue that both political parties use fear—Ebola for Republicans and other crises for Democrats—to drive voter turnout. They dismiss Cruz's "common sense" stance as a calculated political maneuver.

ted cruz· ebola· flight ban· republican party· fear-mongering

18:14 who jumped on the bandwagon, the politics of fear about the flight bans from countries that have no direct flights to the United States but do have Ebola. I'm sorry let me stop you. I mean i'm not a big Ted Cruz fan and think he's creepy I'm just creepy, and that's the reason I don't care much for him. But I think he has to do this because Republicans have a litany and this is it. Like I said in the newsletter... If anyone got their newsletter they should know this is part of the Republican strategy is to create...

18:52 fear to get you to vote Republican, as opposed to the Democrat strategy which is create fear to get you to vote Democrat. Right but I really hadn't caught him in doing anything like this and now he's doing it so screw him. Screw him! Look there were no doubts mistakes that were made up and down the line at the level of the hospital...I think its also the sincerity with which she says it you know she's like...level of health officials implementing protocols But I'll tell you the biggest mistake that continues to be made is now more than two weeks into this, we continue to allow open commercial air flights from countries that have been stricken by a virus.

19:28 by Ebola. That doesn't make any sense, we've got upwards of 150 people a day coming from countries with live active Ebola outbreaks for over two weeks I have been calling on the administration to take the common sense stand of suspending commercial air travel out of these countries until we get the air travel under control and for whatever reason the Obama White House doesn't want to do so. Yeah okay... So we have no flights from Africa? Let me see, I have here... What was interesting? Yes. On the BBC this morning the CEO of GlaxoSmithKline on the... They are fast-tracking an Ebola vaccine which so I didn't and never really saw the announcement that said yeah we've got it! We've discovered it! We've cracked it! I think that's a total mistake

CHAPTER 10 / 47 Discussion

GlaxoSmithKline Ebola Vaccine Fast-Tracking

GlaxoSmithKline CEO Sir Andrew Witty discusses the unprecedented pace of developing an Ebola vaccine, aiming for doses to be available by Christmas 2014. Witty emphasizes the need for government indemnification because the vaccine will be used in emergency situations before traditional long-term trials are completed. The hosts express skepticism regarding the sudden "cracking" of the vaccine code and the financial motivations involved.

glaxosmithkline· andrew witty· ebola vaccine· indemnification· clinical trials

20:27 a huge PR opportunity. You know, it's just like oh yeah no we got one you know huh? They should have been like champagne corks you know the president standing up everyone you know the queen good job chaps I knew he had the technology now none of that Just, yeah we're fast-tracking it and we need indemnification and we need money. GSK's Chief Executive Sir Andrew Whitty joins us from there now good morning Good morning Clearly there are efforts going ahead to try to speed up the development of a vaccine How quickly do you think in ideal circumstances

21:06 could you get to the point where it really is available for widespread use? So we're moving as fast as we possibly can. We should at GSK be in a position if all goes well in the next few months, perhaps vaccine doses available just before Christmas. Now, I think the right thing to do and at least the current expectation is that those initial doses will be used around health care workers in a clinical trial Hill. You'd love to be a nurse there, hey try this one out! To make sure we know exactly what the efficacy of this vaccine is and then as we move into 2015 we've been in position to quite rapidly expand the number of doses available as we go through the year but I think we all need to recognize that this is an unprecedented pace of development We're literally doing maybe five or six months what would normally take five or six years

22:06 That sounds quite unbelievable. Sounds like bull crap to me. Unprecedented, now here's the... Now we know... The Russians by the way also have three of these vaccines that they're working on and that never gets discussed and the Canadians say they've got one and that never gets discussed. And no one's seen as just... Bull. Bull. ...media manipulation I think the reason you see, you know, you said a bull has come dropped off the news cycle i think is because the-I know this is a little cynical but I think that the Democrat run media was told to get off it. Or realize that they're being used by the Republicans. Hopefully we can finish it all up, but I do think

22:50 Let's just listen to this guy for a second. He runs a pretty big company and then one more interesting clip that pertains to the US, and then we'll be done with it. As far as you're concerned what guarantees do you need about indemnity funding? In the U.S., of course, we have indemnification for our pharma companies before vaccines specifically in the UK I guess not...and i think these guys got burned somehow although that doesn't sound like the truth to me on the H&M H1N1. Because you lost a lot in the vaccine for bird flu and they... I think they didn't lose anything, they sold everything and just got thrown out right?

23:29 I'm not sure, yeah maybe the stockpiling of Tamiflu because you weren't indemnified or you weren't. What guarantees do you need? Well i think in the early phase so for this phase that just described we don't need any indemnity around that but if and when a vaccine particularly if it gets used in a broad way before all the normal trials have been undertaken and if it's been used in, let's call that an unconventional environment without the normal health care controls then I think it is reasonable that there should be some level of indemnification because the vaccine has essentially being used in an emergency situation before we've all had a chance to confirm its absolute profile.

24:11 And that's a situation where we'd look for some kind of indemnification. Now listen to what he is doing, this guy is cranking it up He expects to sell this vaccine and lots of it Either from governments or multilateral agencies Do you need those guarantees before this work will take place? Or does it go away anyway No, not with everything We are doing everything All the work at GSK has started before anybody asked us to do anything I can tell you we've progressed very quickly in the last four months in the vaccine technical development. I've already ordered five production lines to allow us to expand production as we go through the end of this year and into next year, and all that's being done without any guarantee or any indemnification or any financing because we know we are sat with a potential vaccine and we need to get on them make it available as fast as possible

CHAPTER 11 / 47 Discussion

Ronan Farrow and the Ebola Bat Theory

The hosts critique Ronan Farrow's MSNBC segment regarding the origins of Ebola, specifically the theory that bats and "bushmeat" consumption caused the outbreak. An expert on the show clarifies that there is no direct evidence of bat-to-human transmission in the current outbreak, contradicting the show's prepared narrative. The hosts mock the media's reliance on "memes" and graphics over scientific evidence.

ronan farrow· msnbc· ebola· bushmeat· bats

25:00 5. Production Lines Yeah, the one in Ghana. The Red Cross has been giving it to everybody. I had it in the show notes...I keep putting it in! We never talked about it? Yeah we did briefly We did. We discussed the New York Times debunking the Ebola conspiracies Oh right, The New York Times debunking it? Yeah, okay fine. Talking about Ebola conspiracies I don't watch this show often and when I do I'm always just kind of flabbergasted that what appears to be a teenage kid has his own talk show Oh! The Sinatra Kid?! Where he just reads notes

25:58 But they put him on a track, and this is a good example. It's two-parter. They put him on a track to somehow make bats part of the discussion how this Ebola got started because patient zero, that little two year old, it's never really been fully explained how he got this disease in the first place. He'd be likely candidate for a shot if you think about it at that age but let's play these...this is like he brings on an expert who has good creds, and the expert just kind of keeps drifting away from the point that Ronan wants to make. And Ronan has no skills! This is Ronan Sinatra on MSNBC. Yes, Ronan Sinatra he can't...

26:38 Pull the guy back on track. He just has to keep reading from his notes, and it's actually kind of pathetic to watch him work But this play Ronan bats one in contact with the virus through the process of butchering It's something that we've looked at on the show there's a growing body of literature that says that actually deforestation Literature I think I have that in the morning Growing body of literature my morning confessional. I have a growing body Flushing towards the Gulf of Mexico pretty that they drive it. I'm sorry says a lot of things like this I'll be interrupted we know we should be using that

27:17 Growing body of literature. That's a growing body of literature in contact with the virus through the process of butchering It's something that we've looked at on the show There's a growing body of literature that says that actually deforestation and poverty that then drives people in newly deforested areas and now this climate change, right? The gas includes the countries that are the origin points of this outbreak to eat bushmeat, are at the heart of this. What policy changes need to be considered if we want to decouple that deforestation link? Well, we have to recognize that hunting wildlife and eating bush meat is certainly not unique to this area and it's something that's done out of necessity there aren't other alternatives so its naive to impose a policy that says stop hunting altogether but I think we need to find ways to do it smarter

28:04 and educate people to be safer about which animals they choose to hunt, and also personal hygienic practices like hand washing when you're butchering animals that may reduce the risk of contracting a disease like Ebola or something else. Hey Ooga Booga Booga! Did you bring the hand sanitizer? It's in a squeeze bottle bub. Listen you stupid Bush man. You need your hands. What is that stuff called the hand sanitizer? Yeah, they goop Showed I wanted a Giant bottles of these huge like coolers filled with Chlorinated water that's used only to rinse off your hands Purell Purell Thank You chat room sure L Oh, I got it if I laugh really loud with this post Ebola

28:57 Get really lightheaded Word to Perel She's gonna get nothing better than me nasty man. There's another reason we don't have suits anyway No, no I'm sure there's 51 more seconds of pure goodness Let's rock it tell us about the specifics of transmissibility from these bats transmissible This kid is too smart for his own good. And by the way, this guy debunks it immediately which just throws Ronan for a loop Oh gosh Is this just bushmeat or is this also inadvertent contact of other? By the way what does Ronan know about bush meat seriously? Guys with these bats Well its interesting in the case of Ebola we actually don't have evidence of direct transmission from bat to people In fact we dont know which wildlife species may have been responsible for that first case Oh well where's the producer of this show I got everything

29:49 I'm telling you here's what here's how the meeting went hey John. We have an idea for the Ronin show yeah Let's have this kid say bushmeat a lot. That'll be really funny. But in past Ebola outbreaks, it has been primates, great apes, gorillas or chimpanzees that have died from Ebola or been infected and hunters will either kill these animals or collect already dead animals and then come in contact with bodies fluids just the same way this virus goes from person to person it can go from an animal that's been infected or a dead animal that's been infected into a person. Presumably with bats, the process of butchering would put someone in contact with their bodily fluids and if about were infected a person could get exposed." Here's the other interesting facet of how prominent bats have become in the literature about Ebola right now

30:39 Yeah, you know what we have in Austin? Bats. Yeah you got a lot of bats. Famous for bats! Well here's the way I saw this thing happen... there are two things here that... Thank you for making me laugh by the way that really cleared up a lot of shit in me. That was good Two things need comment One is the naivete of the producers of MSNBC They actually bought into the Bat thesis and assumed that when they bring an expert on he's just going to confirm it because everybody knows it's true. That's what it was, it was bats And so the guy doesn't do that because these people are so stupid And the other, I forgot what the other point was. That was the real main point I wanted to make which is that there's assumptions that are made on these shows as to what the truth is... Well this is exactly how it happens you know? These memes get out there and then oh yeah its about the bats and get a bat expert! Who are these producers?! Look at the host! What's the producer gonna be behind that!?

31:37 Come on! It's a- it's... We have more people listening to this show than watch the Sinatra Kid, believe me. Well, here we go. So the Sinatra kid gets a little freaky and he has to bring it back to bats because obviously this whole thing was about bats. Well they have all the graphics in lower thirds! It's Halloween John! Bats are perfect! It's the time of the season. That'll pack him in. Yeah so here we go part two. Drive this 30 person rapid response Ebola medical support team. I'm sorry that was my clip and i'm just so zonked out here's bats ronin 2. There is some research into why they're immune to the virus, they are a reservoir bats carry it that has been tested and known but they don't exhibit symptoms more often than not explain that? So this has been a tremendous area of fascination for researchers looking at

CHAPTER 12 / 47 Discussion

Bat Immune Systems and Evolutionary Traits

A follow-up segment on MSNBC explores why bats are reservoirs for viruses like Ebola without exhibiting symptoms. The expert discusses research into bat metabolism and flight-related evolutionary traits that might offer lessons for human treatment. The hosts mock the host's "Doogie Howser" persona and the obviousness of the biological differences between bats and humans.

bats· immune system· doogie howser· metabolism· research

30:39 Yeah, you know what we have in Austin? Bats. Yeah you got a lot of bats. Famous for bats! Well here's the way I saw this thing happen... there are two things here that... Thank you for making me laugh by the way that really cleared up a lot of shit in me. That was good Two things need comment One is the naivete of the producers of MSNBC They actually bought into the Bat thesis and assumed that when they bring an expert on he's just going to confirm it because everybody knows it's true. That's what it was, it was bats And so the guy doesn't do that because these people are so stupid And the other, I forgot what the other point was. That was the real main point I wanted to make which is that there's assumptions that are made on these shows as to what the truth is... Well this is exactly how it happens you know? These memes get out there and then oh yeah its about the bats and get a bat expert! Who are these producers?! Look at the host! What's the producer gonna be behind that!?

31:37 Come on! It's a- it's... We have more people listening to this show than watch the Sinatra Kid, believe me. Well, here we go. So the Sinatra kid gets a little freaky and he has to bring it back to bats because obviously this whole thing was about bats. Well they have all the graphics in lower thirds! It's Halloween John! Bats are perfect! It's the time of the season. That'll pack him in. Yeah so here we go part two. Drive this 30 person rapid response Ebola medical support team. I'm sorry that was my clip and i'm just so zonked out here's bats ronin 2. There is some research into why they're immune to the virus, they are a reservoir bats carry it that has been tested and known but they don't exhibit symptoms more often than not explain that? So this has been a tremendous area of fascination for researchers looking at

32:28 bat-borne viruses that seem to have deadly consequences when they get into people, but bats don't seem to be affected. Now the truth is, bats may be minimally affected, they don't exhibit signs of disease the way people do and that's probably because of a long term relationship... Yeah! Because they're BATS! They're not PEOPLE!!! Wow! Wow. Really? There's a lot of research going on right now to decode exactly what those evolutionary traits are! Yeah, the kid may be a genius but you know come on... I don't see that he is a genius. He is a genius at what?! At passing tests

33:32 It causes disease. And I know there's a lot of research going on right now to decode exactly what those evolutionary traits are, is it higher metabolism due to their ability to fly and can any of those lessons be extracted for human treatment? That's right we know so little about the bat immune system or bat physiology It's Doogie Howser, this kid. Okay onward... Yeah so my two clips one is this rapid response team Ebola rapid response team that the Department of Defense is putting together which begs a very obvious question And that question is? Well, are you going to deploy a military team for an Ebola emergency inside the United States. Okay. There's... we have something that kind of says that you can't do that. I thought that was overturned in the Military Authorization Bill

CHAPTER 13 / 47 Discussion

DOD Ebola Rapid Response Team Deployment

The Department of Defense is forming a 30-person rapid response medical team to assist civilian authorities with Ebola cases in the United States. Rear Admiral John Kirby explains the team will train in Texas before being placed on "prepare-to-deploy" status. The hosts question the legality of using military troops on domestic streets and the potential erosion of Posse Comitatus.

john kirby· department of defense· posse comitatus· texas· military deployment

34:30 What, posse commentatus? I think you can do that now. You can't by the Constitution but nobody has sued over the possibility Well here's the question that was posed to Rear Admiral Kirby who talks out of his mouth This is Kirby, the guy you don't like Not at all no i dont like him at all The guy who Matt Lee slapped down viciously Hey hey Matt Lee slaps him viciously Which was an excellent little number he did on him and He just has he has a permanent smug smile. I don't like it You know, I can't think of this guy's face. I'm gonna look him up while you play this clip Yeah, see if you Kirby what's the first name?

35:16 I think it's John Kirby, is it James Kirby? No. Is an admiral or general? Rear Admiral Kirby. I'll just look up Admiral Kirby. This 30-person rapid response Ebola medical support team...I guess better late than never also how it will help prevent and protect in this country Well this team is going to be on what we call prepare-to-deploy orders. There are about 20 nurses, 5 infectious disease experts and five trainers They're gonna get down to Texas for some training this week so that they have all the protocols in place and they know what to do in preparation Seems like Texas where they don't know how to do it Why would you send them to Texas to train? This is where we mess everything up And then they're gonna put on this... Sorry

36:00 I was just gonna say, I would like to advise people out there to look up Admiral Kirby and then hit images on Google search. Look at images of this guy? Holy crap! What a douchebag! Yeah he's a total douchenuckle. He's got all that fruit salad and everything... This is the guy who said, I barely got a history degree in University of South Florida. I don't know about the history of Russia. It's kind of a British smile And the kind of missing upper lip. He looks like a yes man These pictures are unbelievable. This guy just clownish anyway, go on. They have all the protocols in place and they know what to do in the preparations and then they're going to be put on this prepare-to-deploy order status where they can be ready about 72 hours that period will last for 30 days so it'll be on that ready status for about thirty days to go assist civilian medical authorities anywhere in the country that might need them. Admiral Richard Haas if you explain how is impossible legally

37:02 for Not that he answered the question, but he just said shut up man we have the legal authority. but only as a potential and to play a medical assistance role, not in the policing role or something like that. Now it's fine it's a way to get troops on the street

37:52 And so people get used to it. Not that they look any different from, uh... Yeah you can't tell the difference nowadays Hey um write this down in the book if you don't mind I'd like to even though it may be over here and of course It had to be over here we had to end this I said, I'm surprised I thought it would end after the election but they just Ron Klain guy the uh The Ebola toupee He really pulled it off very quick. I'm gonna put Gabon on the map for you both or an Ebola strike Gabon which is our? Shell has just hit it big and some gas there, so I just wanted to see if that we can find a correlation So put that on the map and let's see if we got born get some ebola They have none yet the yellow highlighter yeah, so as far as I know they have no Ebola right now

CHAPTER 14 / 47 Discussion

Ron Klain First Day and Ebola Recovery

Ron Klain officially begins his role as Ebola Czar as news breaks that a freelance cameraman and nurse Nina Pham have tested negative for the virus. The Department of Homeland Security announces that travelers from Liberia, Guinea, and Sierra Leone must land at one of five designated U.S. airports for enhanced screening. The hosts analyze the specific phrasing used in recovery reports, suggesting it may be part of a broader media narrative.

ron klain· nina pham· jfk airport· screening· ebola

38:44 Yeah, and they just may be on deck to get some Ebola and some Ebola help I want to make sure. And then maybe just we'll wrap it up with this nice little USA Today report because you know when USA Today has the report then it's kind of a general all clear You know like It's okay citizens, Ebola is over. You may resume normal activity Wednesday marks the first official day on the job for Ron Klain, the new Ebolazar His hair started two days earlier Klain will head up the government's effort against a deadly virus both at home and in West Africa Klain's work begins as an NBC freelance cameraman leaves the Nebraska Medical Center after testing negative for the virus On social media he wrote The knowledge that there is no more virus in my blood is profound relief I'm so lucky

39:28 It's interesting how this is put. There is no more virus in my blood? And the nurse, everyone saying it the same way... Yeah! This is a meme they've been saying about the nurse. Why is that what am I missing? Virus free but virus in my blood?! I don't get it. I think and then this is a little crackpotty, but I think it's to try make it kind of a commonplace that once you're through with the Ebola, in other words you don't have anything in your blood that would indicate you ever had Ebola so no one could ever prove that you did or didn't because they never did in the first place. You know what? I'm totally there with ya

40:08 Makes sense. In this case, it makes sense. Wish everyone who got sick could feel like this also good news for Dallas nurse Nina Pham the first to contract Ebola while caring for Thomas Eric Duncan she's now been upgraded to good condition the chief clinical officer at Texas Presbyterian Hospital where Pham worked sat down with CNN and admits the hospital quote fell short in their treatment of Duncan we missed a diagnosis on the 25th and 26 then where we've said over again that that's something that we deeply regret and wish we could have hit the diagnosis right then. Meanwhile, the Department of Homeland Security announced anyone traveling from the Ebola-plagued areas of Liberia Guinea or Sierra Leone must land at one of five U.S airports where enhanced screening measures are now in place that list includes New York's JFK International Washington Dulles New Jersey's Newark Airport Chicago's O'Hare and Hartsfield Jackson international in Atlanta Ebola has killed more than 4500 people Can you stop it back up?

41:05 Sure to what part to the part before they name the Before they start talking about the airport, which is a little bit back. It's about The Department of Homeland Security announced anyone traveling from the Ebola plagued areas of Liberia Guinea or Syria earlier earlier Yeah, you want this do you want me play? That's I was just thought They said something didn't say already announced anyone traveling from the Ebola plagued areas of Liberia Okay fine We don't hear it again Well, it's fine. It's all good everybody all clear Ebola is over and you know if I weren't so cynical You know i'd think this uh this candanavia thing If not um Let's just put it this way the coverage certainly is completely overblown and welcome to the party candanavia Did you see the front newspaper? The front covers of all front pages of all the uh the newspapers

CHAPTER 15 / 47 Discussion

Seventh Anniversary Donations and Smith-Mundt Act

The hosts celebrate the show's seventh anniversary by reading high-value donations, including a $6,666.66 contribution from Matthew Elwart. Elwart's note discusses how the show's coverage of the Smith-Mundt Act repeal changed his perspective on mainstream media. The segment also references Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella's controversial comments regarding women and "karma" in the workplace.

smith-mundt act· value for value· matthew elwart· alpharetta· satya nadella

42:05 Terror on the hill they attack us. You know we will not stand down Oh my goodness maniac with a gun one guy Before we go there though John I'm just the timekeeper here, I would like to thank you for your courage and Say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak! Well in the morning to you too I want to say In the morning to you Adam Curry... ...in the morning all ships that see boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and all the knights out there And in the morning to all of our human resources who are able now to check-in at nagradio dot com noagendastream dot com thanks for being here noagendachat dot net of course and Artiste

42:44 Brian Tweed brought us the Sorry, Brian tweet bought it brought us the artwork for six six to again a lot of submissions and I just wanted to regarding the submissions Try not to or try to me if you're gonna put letters or words in the art make it big You can't put little you know thought balloons and stuff. It really rarely works because it'll have to shrink some of that stuff down at least by 50% In order to get it into the album art, but boy do we love some of the work that is being done for us I will say this. This is true So he had a couple of outstanding donations let me you need a letter from Because there's no letter that came with this donation from Matthew L ward I'll check e l W a or I meant to do this earlier and I forgot all about it Yeah, I think I have it here is my got it okay?

43:43 There's a portion not to read on the air and a portion for on the air. He wanted to send a longhand note, okay. Portion of read on... Okay let me go back to this spreadsheet uh and Matthew Elwhart is the top donor at 666-666 which is interesting because he beat Anonymous in Alpharetta Georgia who donated 66600 which I find to be quite amusing. Okay, let me get to the note this is Matthew Elwart in San Antonio which is as you know just down the road yep just down the road it's like a short five-hour drive

44:26 Big state, big state. Congratulations on your 7th anniversary and in addition to being the show's anniversary it is also my 30th birthday. You have a note... we don't know this so you gotta get your pen out. Okay pen is out which consists of this modern thing called a computer and I'm going to put him on the birthday list It's gonna be thirty He has been listening to the show for over three years now and I've been a major douchebag who never donated I like douchebags who never donate anything coming right away big with 6666. For sure, I am ashamed of my douchebaggery and hope to redeem myself with this beast donation and future donations your show has made my commute and time at work much more interesting and entertaining it's about time i give you value for value back the value that i've received your recent shows analyzing and deconstructing the ebola nonsense in iso fear-mongering has been outstanding

45:18 Actually, let me do the way he said it. Has been outstanding! From listening to your show I opened my eyes to just how corrupt the media is and with your recent revelation regarding their repeal of Smith-Mundt I can now, I cannot. I now cannot help but laugh at much of the news that I get from the mainstream media." I agree with Adam show me the ISIL beheading videos and the people with Ebola bleeding out their eyes ears and mouth if the media can show us to dead Palestinians which is our point if the media can show the dead Palestinian children surely we can handle a beheading a real one and Ebola patients keep up the great work in here's to another seven years

46:00 I'd like to give myself a birthday shout out and let me get Obama when the world needs a rescue mission. That's the story, followed by LGY and some job hunting karma for the coming months please! Boy, we're a bunch of guys here. I'm horse you're congested. Oh, yeah. Hey this is uh This is a very nice way to show your support for the show Matthew really appreciate it Thank you And and I think he celebrates his birthday on the same day that we have our anniversary But he wants to call out for today right? It doesn't say specifically, but we can call him up for today.

46:55 And that's the story. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs! Let's vote for jobs! Yay! Okay, well hold on. Yay! There you go sorry. Anonymous from Alfreda Georgia 666 dot zero zero which is nice I don't have anything pathetic to say at this time well i do but it would be too long to read how about some good karma just like Satya Nadella says we should all have

47:37 at the Microsoft CEO. That's you, women! Yeah hey women enjoy that karma yeah it doesn't pay the bills but makes you feel good how come no one says that we should boycott windows I've always said that. His comments have been a result of his religious beliefs? Isn't religion a protected class in the USC? If i don't cut it off, I could ramble on forever! P.S., the No Agenda Book Club link doesn't work on your donation confirmation page. Oh... You control that one don't you? I do. I'll have to fix it. Okay some karma of course here goes. You've got karma

CHAPTER 16 / 47 Discussion

International Donors and the Point Five Club

Donations arrive from Luxembourg and Connecticut, with one producer proposing the creation of a "Point Five Club" for those donating half of the $666 amount. The hosts struggle to read a longhand note from a donor in Norwalk, Connecticut, leading to a discussion about the decline of handwriting skills among millennials.

luxembourg· connecticut· point five club· podcast awards· longhand notes

48:18 It's very cool. Yeah, every time you clear your throat I'm waiting to hear bullshit the high no, no, I'll hit the cough button just cough But yeah, let me test it Did it work? Yeah work fake didn't hear a thing did you do something? Yeah, I hit the cough button Huh? Jan LeClerc in Luxembourg, 34567 one of my all time favorite donation numbers. Longtime boner first-time donor proud to contribute to the best podcast in the universe I sure must look stupid walking around town with a grin from ear to ear while listening to this show. You know it's going to be illegal pretty soon? The police will be on the lookout

49:01 Yeah, don't do that. Oh yeah don't smile if you ever said what I was by the there was some marathon or something Some guys just stand in there with a duck with a dumb look on his face and they arrested him That wasn't London years ago. Yeah, but he had autism or something Hey, hey wipe that goofy grin off your face slave Or either that already told him to smile And he didn't one of the two loved the deconstruction but what I love most are Adams and John's life experiences Please give a if you see something say something and an LG y karma I'm also passing exam karma and finding a housing Housing price are unbelievable here. Yeah, yeah in Luxembourg. That's interesting Luxembourg banking heaven yeah there you go that's what happens with the bankers take over where all the elites live You've got Karma

50:00 Alright, now... It's got a lot of notes. Oh that's horrible because if anyone is not good in coordinating stuff Well I've got it figured out here Here is the note I believe from... And her head is gone. Yes, Robin Andrea Chagin or Chagon? Chagan! They'd be shaggin' Chagan! I don't know it's hard to say they'd be shagging 3333 from Norwalk Connecticut and a long handwritten note I have to get my uh I don't have it damnit where did the thing go there it is My reading glasses

50:47 to something. I think i need a lozenge no clearer names from me but i will write a note in longhand thanks yes it's a nice penmanship but it's kind of funky style, i've been thinking about how i can make a special donation in honor of seven years of the best podcast in the universe listen to while driving my commute perfect and and six craigs of cable don't know what that means who but us in the month whose birthday is November 9th

51:34 Sook is maybe the Sioux look at this. This is one of the worst readings you've ever done John, you know I'm beginning to think I'm turning into a millennial I can barely read longhand now I've been writing weeks to make the following donation 3333 waiting weeks 333 33 I propose to become The first member of the Point Five Club, show 666 divided by 2 is 333. Perhaps producers will find it easier to become a Point 5 member." Love your show! Uh...the couple that wor-that something together? Lures together? Looks together or something? Loves it together. Rob and Sandra I'm going to clip this and send this to you And uh..and you should put it right near your podcast award

52:22 Anyway, she goes on that she's a birthday involved in here. Oh and I believe it's happy birthday sir Okay, sir Craig of cable well none of this is on my list now with you away How could it be? Well called administration he will you know I Know what's written down details for Craig of cable November 9th And then I have to turn this over, this note thing over and now at an angle it's written finishing sorry to write so early something out of the blah blah blah. Anyway okay that was Andre I believe anyway so they think it's Sir Craig of Cable oh he's the one who hit them in the mouth okay

CHAPTER 17 / 47 Discussion

Decadent Minimalist Wallet and Davis Market Legend

Sir Gene Natulia promotes a Kickstarter for the "Decadent Minimalist" wallet, a CNC-machined aluminum card holder that offers RFID protection. Another donor shares a story about the Davis Market in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, which is local legend describes as the "center of the universe." The anecdote includes a reference to vintage Star Trek trading cards and UFO bookstores.

decadent minimalist· kickstarter· murfreesboro· star trek· aluminum wallet

53:13 That's... sorry, I mean I can do that. Yes! You should be sorry you have wasted everyone's time. Sir Gene Natulia in Austin Texas 23456 Baron de Marriott sheriff of Texas yes? Yes In celebration my friend Eric's Kickstarter found at bitly dot slash DM1's dot dash NA all or case bit dot L crafts slash what is it? Oh, this thing is beautiful. It's a so I've put the link in the show notes and decadent minimalist

53:55 precision crafted wallet machined from a single billet of aircraft grade aluminum. Oh nice! It's very cool. Natulia is asking for karma for the kickstarter and let the no agenda fans we have a special NA option please play the in-the morning clip The In the Morning clip? Just In the Morning. That's all it was? And some karma for the Kickstarter. Well obviously, so what he said and now I know what he is talking about He was teasing me of course I'm dying from Ebola E-BOLA! He sent me a picture of this I couldn't figure out what it was but it said no agenda on it in the morning and now I know what it is It's a credit card holder Oh nice and since its aluminum it would be RF

54:45 RFID resistant? It would be RF protected. I don't know if it will, I don't know if it's certified as a Faraday cage but it's very pretty! I guarantee you can't get through it there's no way that is going to be able to pull it out of there bit dot ly slash dm1 dash na link in the show notes thank you very much Sir Gene here's your karma and or Karma for the Kickstarter of course. You've got Karma Crown Underwood, 20122. The show's magnificent I hope to give you some value for the value I receive from the best podcast in the universe. The donation is the sum of two previous donations made a few months ago 7777 and 12345 keep up the good work and I will keep the Value For Value model alive! Alive! Lovely? Thank You

55:39 He didn't ask for any karma or anything. I'm gonna give it to him anyway, okay? Take it you've got karma You'll take the karma and you'll like it Mysterion Entertainment 200 bucks from Los Angeles California on show 659 Adam read my note on a surfer with a surfer voice oddly before My donation was a donation from Mofreesboro Tennessee in 1998 at once purchased Oddly vintage and still shrink-wrapped Star Trek trading cards. Okay? From the Davis Market, where there's purportedly the center of the universe, The Davis Market. Link about to mark at the end of that note. The legend is if you buy something there, you'll end up dying in Murphysboro! Hey! Bonus! On the same trip I went to a New Age bookstore

56:28 that was selling a children's book about dealing with UFO presence. I regret that I never bought it as the illustrations were incredibly, were incredible with pictures of children playing on a playground and often an alien graze observing in the background. The store was run by which I think is true in Murfreesboro. This store was run by Mark Davenport and he wrote a book about UFOs, he goes on Anyway, I thought it was a symbolic occurrence and chose $6.59 and felt that I had to become a producer so Adam becomes aware of the Davis Market." Yeah, I'm not going to purchase anything there! Davis Market... You must go! I think I need to go purchase something now.

CHAPTER 18 / 47 Discussion

Weed California and DH Unplugged

A donor from Weed, California, contributes to the show, explaining how her fiance discovered No Agenda through the DH Unplugged podcast. The hosts clarify that they do not smoke marijuana despite the town's name and thank the couple for their "value for value" support.

weed california· dh unplugged· jeff· fiance· value for value

57:12 He would like karma first board game zone plex kick-starting his final week read about Davis market here And he's got some links, and he's happy now. There's one third away to knighthood You will obey you will obey you will obey You've got karma little extra obey Karma all right now I have another handwritten note No alright everybody everybody is looking forward to this brew some coffee This is Danielle It looks like Gary's, is it G-E-R-I-E-S? I don't know. I can't read over your shoulder today John. No it's right there on the number nine line and she's in weed with her husband and I think she actually sent him two checks that seem to, I think supposed to add up to 200 bucks but actually added up to 199 something or something like that. All right got a penny no problem we'll throw that in. Throw whatever it is now you need your pen out again because another birthday going on here

58:12 I am proud to make my first donation to the best podcast in the universe. This is written in kind of hybrid so I can read it easier, I guess you could say my fiance hit himself in the mouth from listening to John's DH Unplugged He found his way to No Agenda. He promptly hit me in the mouth and we thoroughly enjoy our weekly, it's twice a weekly by the way, No Agenda time keep it up so if you could wish a no agenda happy birthday to my fiance Jeff and send him some karma and the little girl yay or the little girl shut-up slave I greatly appreciate it." And she says

58:50 Danielle from weed and yes, I've never smoked weed honestly it stinks and She yeah, but did you send us a picture? No picture. That's okay. Well Thank you very much And that's a look that's a lovely lovely way to To say I love you Yes, I agree with that. It's a lovely way to say I love you Thank you very much for the support of show You've got karma. 6-3 and three shows from now, six six six. Six six six! And I want to remind people go to Dvorak dot org slash...and by the way if you donate $666 you get two producerships. The show producership for the show that you donated for and then $666. Go to Dvorak dot org slash NA channel Dvorak dot com slash NA also the No Agenda Show

CHAPTER 19 / 47 Discussion

The Craisin Linguistic Dispute

John C. Dvorak confronts Adam Curry for using the word "craisin" during a previous segment. Dvorak argues that the term is a marketing fabrication and that the fruit is simply a dried cranberry. Curry defends the usage while acknowledging Dvorak's role as the "word police."

craisin· cranberry· raisin· word police· linguistics

1:03:38 It was worth it. Yeah, there we go how could it be worth it this baffles me well if I had gotten my flu shot? I wouldn't be you don't know that there's only 75% effective a and who knows if it was the flu B or And if you got the flu shot, why would you walk away from a shot saying it was worth it? You didn't dodge a bullet. It wasn't like you bought some protective armor and somebody shot at you and after the fact he said I spent thousands of dollars for this Kevlar vest and it was worth it because then it would have been worth it! So I don't understand... Listen man while you're talking about speech, I should have busted you on saying that you were eating a crazon

1:04:32 The more I think about it, that is so uncool. Did you even stop yourself and think oh my god did i just say i'm eating a craisin? There's no such thing as a craisin! It's a raisin but because it's a cranberry...it's a craisin and you actually called it a craisin?! Did it take you THAT long?? Was that in your craw??? It's stuck with me. Yes apparently because I thought you know Dvorak would have jumped down my throat if I had said, I was eating a craze and you're going I can't even do it. I wish you could do it about yourself be funny well. I would like to sorry I said it Do you have the harmonica?

CHAPTER 20 / 47 Discussion

Hunter S. Thompson 9/11 Prediction

Adam Curry reads a passage written by Hunter S. Thompson on September 12, 2001, which predicted a permanent state of "Christian Jihad" and expensive global guerrilla warfare. The text criticizes George W. Bush and suggests the war was fueled by religious hatred and the oil industry. The hosts marvel at the accuracy of Thompson's foresight regarding the "mysterious enemy."

hunter s. thompson· george w. bush· christian jihad· 9/11· war on terror

1:05:15 Have a harmonic. I mean you give me something sad. I'd like to get there. I'd like to do a reading I'd like to do a reading okay, well Hunter s Thompson and Like a little Accompaniment if possible I'll give it a little bit okay You hit it this is from September 12 2001 hunter S Thompson wrote the towers are now gone reduced to bloody rubble along with all hopes for peace in our time, in the US or any other country. Make no mistake about it we are at war now with somebody and we will stay at war with that strange and mysterious enemy for the rest of our lives

1:05:59 It will be a religious war, a sort of Christian Jihad fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides. It will be guerrilla warfare on a global scale with no front lines and no identifiable enemy This is going to be an expensive war And victory is not guaranteed for anyone...and certainly not for a baffled little creep like George W Bush All he knows is that his father started a war a long time ago and that he, the goofy child president has been chosen by fate and the global oil industry to finish it off. Beautiful! And there you have it... And he was so right! I'd like to welcome Candidavia once again to the party Welcome people

CHAPTER 21 / 47 Discussion

Ottawa Parliament Hill Shooting and Media Reaction

The hosts deconstruct the media coverage of the shooting at Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Canada. They compare the casualty count to daily violence in Chicago and criticize the "pornographic fear" generated by networks like CBS and CBC. The segment highlights the heightened alert status of NORAD and the emotional reporting of anchor Peter Mansbridge.

ottawa· stephen harper· peter mansbridge· norad· mass shooting

1:06:48 And it's interesting, I know very little about Canada. It's...I think..I'm just not qualified at all to say much about it but we have of course the Global Intelligence Network so many fan really fantastic notes that came in and Jay Wall I really wanted to read his note he's a Candanavian of course and he says you know there are so many actually, now that it's actually quite a long note. But you know that there are so many coincidences so many things that makes so much sense for this to be happening right now mainly the resistance that Harper has been facing in the House of Commons over Canada and Canada's military involvement in the coalition

1:07:36 You know, they really needed this to kickstart everything and you know to have this guy now be linked to ISIL recently converted. And the whole thing is just I got a couple. I have a couple of intro clips, okay good That's a good idea your little thing yeah and let's There's two of them actually have with the PBS news hour attack on Canada WTF clip and then I have the Short part to that then I have though. I think the better clip is CBS and The official mouthpiece, I think is more of an official mouthpiece than ABC because they try harder. Well which one do you want me to play? If we were going to start with PBS attacking Canada and then you can play the second part but you can shorten that if you want to. Chaos came to the heart of Canada's capital city today a rare mass shooting left one soldier and gunman dead and two people wounded

1:08:33 Mass shooting. It also triggered a day of high drama that included unconfirmed reports of multiple attackers and speculation about whether a terror group was involved. Just for... Mass shooting! Just, just for frame-of reference Brian the gay crusader who lives in Chicago he said I just want you to know that there were more people shot and killed in Chicago the same night than were shot and killed in Ottawa Yeah, in a mass shooting. The mass shooting was in Chicago is zero zero coverage now here they go on and on about this thing that here's part two of that clip at the 952 am this morning the auto police service received multiple 911 calls regarding your shooting at the National War Memorial witnesses to that initial incident at the memorial site say a man dressed all in black

1:09:28 with a rifle, gunned down one of the honor guard. From there they say he ran toward the main parliament building, a short distance away in central Ottawa within moments more shooting erupted. Police and soldiers quickly descended on the building with weapons drawn. Video taken by a Globe & Mail newspaper reporter captured the sound of gunfire echoing down the halls. I hear this pop-pop-pop Possibly 10 shots, don't really know. Thought it was dynamite rather than... or construction rather than anything else. Suddenly the security guards come rushing down the hallways ushers all out to the back of Parliament buildings. A cabinet minister said that shooter ran right past a room where Prime Minister Stephen Harper was addressing lawmakers

1:10:16 Harper was hustled away and the building was locked down. Ottawa police confirmed later the gunman was shot and killed, but a search of the area continued through the afternoon. So, they take it to an extreme here with CBS. And this is by the way short that they went on and on with this clip and I actually started kind of in the middle when they bring on Peter Mansbridge who is a guy that is beyond me why they haven't brought these days...the main anchorman for CBC News. It's always baffled because Peter Jennings used to be Canadian while they haven't brought this guy. Until he was dead then he was no longer Canadian. Well, that was the end of that.

1:10:56 But they brought this Peter Mansfield should be one of the anchors on the big three networks and they I don't know why they won't pay him enough money or Or he just hates the United States. I don't know what it is, but he is The absolute he's a Walter Cronkite level of authority is great and here's Scott Pelly talking to him and then discussing some of this crap about this bull bullcrap story into The Parliament buildings and then heading up, you know with some time before they stopped in This is a new kind of event for Canada. And I wonder if it could give us a sense in the New kind of event what's one guy got shot? What's the new kind of event? It's early hours

1:11:41 Canada, I hope you see what's happening. It's about time you got some of this medicine by the way we have to deal with it all the time down here This is...it is so obvious that this is a media hype of the situation Yeah! Of course it sucks No one wants to get shot while he standing guard at the tomb of an unknown soldier You know? It's pretty symbolic don't ya think But I didn't hear any jihad, no letters, nothing left around. It's just being well. CBS changes that narrative. Oh thank you! National mood... A lot of people coast to coast to coast are obviously in shock because of this we have people crying in the streets on the West Coast on Vancouver Island at this news because it strikes so close to home

1:12:37 two major national symbols where something like this has occurred and people just said you know, this is Canada. This doesn't happen in Canada well today it happened in Canada and the consequences going on forward now are still to be determined Peter Mendsbridge chief correspondent and anchor of the CBC thank you so much Hey man up Canada You know, by the way... Really? I've never seen Peter Mansbridge used as a correspondent in any U.S show. Maybe I just missed it but it seems to me that this was his audition. Yeah! Oh they were crying in Vancouver what?! Did have a lower third crying in Vancouver That's a good report name you know dossier crying in Vancouver The Cougar from Vancouver is crying in Vancouver

1:13:31 After the attack today NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command went on a heightened state of alert. Because NORAD went on high alert? Yes we could have jihadis flying jihadis Those are the same guys who track Santa, I will point out. Maybe we're wasting a taxpayer's money on this bull crap? We're on high alert in America! I'm reading right now Peter King is on CNN FBI field office is on alert we're on jihadi alert This is perfect Ebola back burner, we've back-burnered Ebola Thank you Canada for letting us also make use of this because you know just your still North America

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Jihadi Alert and Lone Wolf Narratives

Following the Ottawa shooting, security is increased at Arlington National Cemetery, which the hosts mock as "protecting the dead." CBS correspondent Bob Orr reports that while there is no direct link to a broader plot, the FBI is warning local police about "lone wolf" retaliatory attacks. The hosts argue the narrative is designed to shift public focus from Ebola back to Islamic terrorism.

arlington national cemetery· bob orr· fbi· isis· lone wolf

1:14:12 So if we've got a crazy Islamist bearded F's shooting up the, you know guards of the and national symbols. We must be afraid people! You know it would be so easy. We could change all of our lives it would be so easy here's what you do... Do you think every household has a hammer John? Every house is gonna have a hammer right just I hammer. I would hope Just take the hammer which have National Hammer Day You just go smash your television into bits. It could be fun, have the kids play along. Smash smash smash. I mean you'll still have the stuff infiltrating through BuzzFeed and whatever else is out there but you've just got to turn it on... I have a jingle for that somewhere don't i? I forget where that is we don't play enough

1:15:04 Well, fail. Alright play the rest of this clip and you'll hear some more bullcrap. And since Canada's National War Memorial was a target security was beefed up at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia. The cemetery! Protect the dead! Arlington because of this thing in Canada? Those jihadists are now attacking our dead people they're killing dead people Wow, this is a good clip John. I like it here is what President Obama had to say today Oh now you know when the president comes out and says something that's you know? It's part of the message Obviously we're all shaken by it We're gonna do everything we can to make sure that By the murders in Chicago that take place all constantly where he just was he was just there

1:15:54 in Chicago on a little fundraiser. Also in Washington, our Homeland Security correspondent Bob Orr is following the investigation... What? It's a difficult time! It's very difficult time right now John because we're all shaken by the script that is unfolding, the narrative, the visuals, the fear, the pornographic fear that is being shoved down our throats and be afraid Cower in the corner shelter in place be vigilant. You're being played people you being played investigation Bob What do you know? It's got law enforcement sources Tell us there is no intelligence at this point Suggesting the shootings today and Ottawa are connected in any way to a broader plot or to an against the US homeland and their story No

1:16:42 No, that's no good. That's just to make them so they're not culpable. Hey we said there was no connection now let's go back to the fear! The FBI and intelligence agencies of course are in touch with their Canadian counterparts and they're all still working to pin down a motive for the shootings Now were told that some of the evidence suggests the attack... They hate our freedom They don't need a motive, I can tell you right now. They hate our freedom.

1:17:24 That deliberate hit and run that killed the Canadian soldier near Montreal earlier in the week was clearly a terrorist act carried out by one radicalized man who struck out on behalf of ISIS. With US air strikes continuing now against Islamic State targets in Iraq and Syria, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are out warning local police to be on guard potentially for more retaliatory attacks by lone wolves. Attacks got to look very much like what we've already seen in Canada Bob Orr in our Washington newsroom. Excellent report guys, excellent good work! Not found it in any kind of reality or truth except for the one line that you had to put in there so we couldn't take your journalist license away

CHAPTER 23 / 47 Discussion

MSNBC Iowa vs Ottawa Gaffe

The hosts play a clip of an MSNBC anchor mistakenly asking a correspondent for the latest news in "Iowa" instead of "Ottawa." They use the gaffe to criticize the intelligence and professionalism of mainstream media "talent." The segment mocks the high salaries paid to anchors who struggle with basic geography during breaking news events.

msnbc· iowa· ottawa· gaffe· chloe

1:18:07 Oh boy. MSNBC was live on the air when this happened, they of course brought in their top team as usual to report- Top men! Top men to report live on what was going on in Canada. Chloe let me go to you first What's the latest tonight in Iowa? Well in Ottawa... Wait a minute Can this guy say Iowa? He said Iowa. Oh no! Listen to it again. This guy is so stupid, can you play that again? It's beautiful. Chloe let me go to you first what's the latest tonight in Iowa? Well in Ottawa... Well it's for the day

1:18:49 I think i need to play it one more time before, I can award anything. How beautiful is that? I mean this guy he's just made He's made to give me clip of the day time and time again There's no way to... Chloe let me go to you first what's the latest tonight in Iowa? Well in Ottawa Yeah how does that happen Do you think that someone... Talk to Chloe, talk to Chloe. You gotta talk to Chloe about what's going on in Ottawa. Iowa? Okay! Ottawa. It's like the commercial. Do you have frog protection? Yeah I have frog protection. Isn't that guy great?!

1:19:38 It's unbelievable. This is what this is one of their stars at MSNBC talent top we making a million dollars plus We make it a million dollars plus and he is He's got one of the highest rated shows because they love him I mean, they obviously the audience at MSNBC are extremely stupid But that's the same way with the other networks too, so I don't know. Can't be much smarter anyplace else but they don't have a gaffe-meister like this guy. Hey, so Harper is in Parliament right now? And he's like, we're unscared! We're not gonna let this guy bring us down! Oh good... The guy is dead by the way They shot him and they wanted to know what the motive was Why don't you capture him alive maybe that would help? This whole thing is So obvious Bullcrap people BULLCRAP Let me see

CHAPTER 24 / 47 Discussion

The Structural War on Twitter

The hosts discuss what they perceive as a coordinated "war on Twitter," fueled by the Gamergate controversy and claims of rampant misogyny. They argue that the narrative is being used to devalue the company for a potential acquisition or to justify increased government regulation of online speech. They suggest users who feel bullied should simply leave the platform or use blocking tools.

twitter· gamergate· misogyny· cyberbullying· social media

1:20:32 I had another email here. Had a lockdown, it was pretty much the same... It was good! What's not good is that it's so easy to dupe Canada. I'm surprised. Well they were virgins. Prediction? They're virgins. Jihadi virgins. I'm trying in Vancouver! They're virgins to the terrorist game Oh man. Justin Bieber should come out and make a statement. Bieber says we won't back down! That would be great, it could be done at that thing I think would be appropriate at this point to have the Biebs come out and say something. Hey Biebs If you noticed there's like a war on Twitter? I've been seeing a number of things kind of... ummm I think this actually started with Leo uh-uhh and why you weren't on the show

1:21:41 And it was very hard to watch, of course. Because you weren't on the show and I didn't watch that listen because I had Ebola and I knew that if i watched explosive diarrhea... This whole hate of Twitter which I find very strange because It's not like Facebook where the Facebook kicks you off and Facebook polices everything and Facebook makes it a safe environment And this is also being propagated now by the Gamergate discussions. It's all Twitter, Twitter is no good and misogynists have free reign on Twitter and I'm thinking this is a setup against Twitter let's face it won't take much of being a public company for them to run into some real hardship and I think

1:22:37 If I were running the strategy and I wanted to kill Twitter, I would want to acquire it of course. I want to take it over pennies on the dollar but first we have to bring it all the way down. You'll look out for it now. You'll see that this is happening and the most recent thing... You want me to put this in the book you say? Yeah, I think you should put in the book The War on Twitter. And the most recent example of this and I think I know-I can start to put together a case to say that there's a structural war on Twitter which plays into misogynistic, you know women. And by the way if you're being threatened on Twitter boo-hoo get off Twitter! I know it's just too funny It's not like people are... You don't have to go to Twitter. You have to go to school and if someone is at school bullying you in school that's different If someone's bullying you at work that's different but yeah it's not like you have to be bullied on any computer just remove yourself from that service Yeah

1:23:41 Get off Facebook too. Yeah, so it... Or unfriend people I don't know how you do that. It's not like some kind of right that you have a right to safety there But the most recent one was a very funny speech Funny from the perspective of me By Monica Lewinsky and Monica Lewinsky-I don't have to explain who she is She was speaking at the Forbes under 30 conference And At this conference she launched her anti bullying campaign Everybody's trying to get into the act. For which I cannot find a name for the campaign, there was not even a mention about it on the Forbes site... So she-I guess she just anti bullying and that's her platform or whatever it is. Yeah, I heard the campaign sucks. God John you are right on the money. I am so sorry! I like it. Anyway go on. And I'll clip uh have a two minute clip of um this and

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Monica Lewinsky Anti-Bullying Campaign at Forbes

Monica Lewinsky speaks at the Forbes Under 30 Conference, labeling herself "patient zero" of internet shaming and launching an anti-bullying campaign. She credits the Drudge Report with making her a global figure in 1998 before the era of social media. The hosts question her presence at an "under 30" event and suggest her story is being leveraged to further the "war on Twitter."

monica lewinsky· forbes· drudge report· patient zero· anti-bullying

1:24:42 And it's very sad, first of all because she cannot read. She is very poor. She has no timing. Uh...she says some interesting things and then I'll tell you why i believe that this is... Media training is needed Yeah! I'll tell you why I believe this is a setup to bring down Twitter or at least a part of it Thanks to the internet and a website that at the time was scarcely known outside of Washington DC but a website most of us know today called The Drudge Report Within 24 hours, I became a public figure. Not just in the United States but around the entire globe As far as major news stories were concerned this was the very first time that the traditional media was usurped by the internet. Now i don't think that's true what happened is this the star report came out

1:25:39 And people were reading about it online, but really usurped? I don't know about that. Well she does...she's well early in the timeline because if we started 93 is when the internet actually had impact and so far as this sort of thing is concerned because that's when the web began to grow And this, what is it? This 98? 96. Yeah I think it was like 98 so it was five years in just before the dot-com collapse. Right but she's really saying... I know what you're saying It's sketchy at best In 1998 as you can imagine there was a media frenzy even though it was pre Google

1:26:29 That's right. Pre-Google. Oh! Pre-Google? The World Wide Web, as we called it back then was already a big part of life Overnight I went from being a completely private figure to a publicly humiliated one Well... Stay with it. I was patient zero. Oh my god Now, you want to hear a little more of this? So Google was founded in September 4th 1998 that same year. Just play it a little bit more here The first person to have their reputation completely destroyed worldwide via the internet That's not true! It was the newspapers but okay there is a reason for this I think There were no Facebook Twitter or Instagram back then

1:27:34 But there were gossip, news and entertainment websites. Dvorak dot org. Complete with comment sections. There you go! And emails could be forwarded. We could forward emails back then John remember them days? Of course it was all done on the excruciatingly slow dial-up. Who cares yet around the world this story went A viral phenomenon that you could argue was the first moment of truly social media. If only I could collect some royalties! Now, the reason why this is a war against Twitter is to kick off her anti-bullying campaign which has no name or website as far as I can tell she joined Twitter

1:28:24 Yes, I realize that. Right and the news stories are how the misogynists have come out to call her slut and all these things on Twitter. And for Monica Lewinsky... The great thing about Twitter is you can block people. True. And for Monica Lewinsky to be speaking at the Forbes Under 30 Conference it hurts my brain a little bit she's 38 so why is she speaking in the Under 30 conference? I have no idea and should not let you mention that simple fact. So, i'm thinking and we have it in the book there is a war on Twitter the war is Twitter is a vehicle a free reign for misogynists to hate on women

CHAPTER 26 / 47 Discussion

UK Internet Trolling Laws and Defamation

The UK government proposes jailing "internet trolls" for up to two years, with Justice Secretary Chris Grayling vowing to take a stand against the "cyber mob." The hosts discuss the legal implications of defining "troll" as a criminal category, suggesting it opens the door for lucrative defamation and slander lawsuits in the British court system.

chris grayling· trolling· uk law· slander· madeleine mccann

1:29:15 and near the mind that you can just not be on Twitter or Get off Twitter or block people. There's many ways not to be bullied There's something afoot with this I think it might be onto something That's all I have for right now. I just wanted her you know that she is patient zero patients here What an area thing to say Yeah, patient. In Britain by the way people found guilty of internet trolling which is such a loaded term by itself. It doesn't mean anything. No Could be jailed for up to two years under government proposals outlined on Sunday. Patrol jail Following a number of high-profile cases of abusive and threatening behavior on Twitter

1:30:12 Justice Secretary Chris Grayling told the Mail on Sunday newspaper, this law is to combat cruelty and marks our determination to take a stand against baying...a baying cyber mob. There has been increasing concern in Britain about the growing scourge of internet trolls who post hate-filled messages on social media often threatening their targets And then of course we pull out the parents of missing girl Madeline McCann. Last month, a man was jailed for 18 weeks for what prosecutors described as a campaign of hatred against the female lawmaker quote these internet trolls are cowards who are poisoning our national life so when you call someone a troll certainly in the UK you are now as if today

1:31:03 And by the way, in most countries Canada is a good example of this or in the UK I'm sure it's the same thing. This an opportunity? A business opportunity? Money making opportunity. Oh, let me write... To be accused of a crime where you have not been convicted, sentenced or even anything. You haven't even been accused by the government. Somebody calls you a troll then, you can sue them for defamation. Slander! Slander! If you're not a troll. Yeah if you're not because now they've defined troll in illegal census so now somebody calls you a troll in England and I believe

1:31:46 England's the only place that has this law, so it has to be England. And they've got very liberal laws about people suing for slander I mean they really always take the side of the person slandered. But I think you can make some serious cash! What dictionary should we look at to look up a good definition of troll? I think the urban would probably be your best... Ohhhh, noooo, I need an official one! You have sexual ones in there. No, I need an official dictionary. It hangs from ropes from one foot Interesting. Well, I'd like to see the word troll is just not a good word to use anymore it's like glitch you can't use that anymore You use it all the time! You say you can't use it but its very common No of course! I am the Word Police! I'm in charge of all things words well... It's annoying! Troll Well since we're on this topic

CHAPTER 27 / 47 Discussion

State Department Think Again Turn Away Project

The U.S. State Department's "Think Again Turn Away" project, led by former Time editor Richard Stengel, uses social media to counter ISIS recruitment. The hosts criticize the 50-person operation for producing "hilarious" mockery videos and engaging in "mind share" battles. They highlight the revolving door between mainstream media leadership and government propaganda roles.

state department· richard stengel· isis· twitter· propaganda

1:32:52 And it does involve Twitter. We have a new...there's a government agency mentioned in here that I just, I only heard when I was getting this clip and I'm gonna have to look it up while the clip plays but the State Department is playing a big role in the anti-ISIS thing because apparently and you can't find any real information about these two girls in Denver. Oh yes yeah this is good. Or three girls, three girls in Denver. Teenage girls. Three teenage girls in Denver. Teenage trolls I tell ya! got on a plane and they're headed to go fight with ISIL. And I don't know about you, but generally speaking these very strict and rigid Muslims don't have women fighters working with them." Oh no! I thought they were going to go there to support them...to pleasure them as rewards

1:33:40 for the fighters. deconstruct this story. None of it works, unless it's all bullcrap which is what I believe. So let's play here's a little State Department stuff This is the State Department ISIL attacks. To tit-for-tat Facebook and Twitter posts against IS supporters in a project dubbed Think Again Turn Away aimed at dissuading potential IS recruits Here at the state department The 50 person project has run out of the Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications

1:34:19 It's been working in the anti-jihadi social media space in four foreign languages since 2010. This year it added English Okay, Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications which is obviously something that was set up by Hillary. And she makes a big point about this is very long piece but it was a large package in so far as TV's concerned This is discussing this operation and they've got 50 people that are online apparently and they wouldn't show what's going on there because I guess a lot of them just sitting there looking at porn and they didn't want to catch him

1:34:57 So, they didn't get the camera into this thing. But there's 50 people and they're part of the Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communication and they're on Twitter making...setting up accounts and telling ISIL ISIS guys that they're bad people. And so we...what's interesting to me is it is encased within State Department clip two. We weren't permitted to film its operations center, but we were able to catch up with the man spearheading its latest efforts. Former Time Magazine editor Richard Spengel is the Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy. What ISIL is doing it's using social media and other platforms to try to get mind share people who would be sympathetic to their goals young men that they're trying to recruit so when the president talks about contesting a space he means

1:35:46 get in there, intercede between ISIL and those young men. The State Department has worked to persuade Islamic governments and religious leaders overseas to join the messaging campaign We're not always the best messenger for our message that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it but Part and parcel of what we're trying to do is to enable and empower those better messengers than we are. Those people who can say that this is illegitimate Islam." But some of the State Department efforts have proven controversial, especially this video entitled Welcome To Islamic Stateland a collection of IS's own gruesome videos

1:36:25 So this welcome to Islamic State land. I haven't seen this one, if i need to see it. It's hilarious! They got some of the worst videos that the ISIS guys did and my favorite one is some guy that apparently throw off a cliff or something like a Hollywood thing. This guy's cool looks like a Simpsons episode this guy's bouncing down the hill and uh...this whole thing reeks of fabrications every which way. From the original ISIL, ISIS videos and the mockery of the ISIS videos and this Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications which has got to be just a bonanza... And the fact that the ex-editor in chief of Time Magazine is running this would—and if you remember Jay Carney came from Timex. What? No wait, didn't he come from Newsweek?

1:37:14 no time and you're in time yeah but you look it up he played it would be just reeks of this is that this was some pundits with their government media complex the media any we have enough trouble with uh... people coming in from aerospace then becoming a lobbyist incoming into government going back to boeing and now we have these media guys come from time magazine income ending the going back at this is terrible this isn't the reason the no agenda show should be listened to because we The rest of this is just a festering corrupt pimple. I had better written that in my head. No, that's a show title for some other podcast but Festering Corrupt Pimple. Yeah. It was terrible. I was very upset by this

CHAPTER 28 / 47 Discussion

Fake ISIS Hand Grenades and Precision Parachutes

An explosive ordnance expert, "Black Knight," analyzes an NBC report showing ISIS fighters with captured U.S. equipment. He identifies the hand grenades as hollow, spray-painted MK2 training versions phased out in the 1970s. The analysis also notes that the "mistaken" airdrop used GPS-steerable parachutes, making a delivery error into enemy territory highly suspicious.

isis· hand grenades· airdrop· black knight· mk2 pineapple

1:38:03 I had no idea that... And it gets worse. You know, I think another fast one was tried to be pole honest with this parachute drop Now the parachute drop story, boy that thing reeks. And meanwhile of course after the parachute...the goodies in the parachute you get a nice video coverage of the whole thing which our head MOFO in charge, Sir Head MOFO in charge Black Knight of the US Army was so kind to analyze for us Ah. Would you like to hear his analysis? Yes, we would love to hear his analysis that's one of the reasons people listen to the show In The Morning

1:38:46 In the morning I was watching NBC News as I was over at family members house for dinner and saw the report about the US airdrop that was apparently mistakenly dropped near and recovered by ISIS fighters where they claimed ISIS fighters are now in possession of large quantities of U.S hand grenades One problem, The hand grenades shown on the crate in this video are so horribly fake I started laughing out loud earning me strange looks from my aunt & uncle who were all-in on the Isis fear bukkake In the army, one of my additional skills is an explosive ordinance clearance agent so I am somewhat of an expert on US and foreign ordinance. However this fakery is so bad even a cherry ass private fresh from basic training could point it out

1:39:31 At around 50 seconds into the video, you see him open a crate containing supposed hand grenades thrown in there that are just loose. A few problems... Live grenades would never ever be transported loose in a crate like that All grenades come from the factory encased in foam packed in cylindrical tubes They are not unpacked from that until ready to be used. Two, the bottom of the grenade body has a hole in it because it's hollow and you see these things are hollow when the kid is picking them up There are no fuses installed on the neck, no fuse, no spoon, no pen etc. The grenade bodies have been spray-painted a different shade of green What those grenades are training versions of the MK2 Pineapple Grenade which was completely phased out of service by 1970 and not even used for training anymore Training grenade bodies are stored in crates like one in this video and they're store loosely Looks like someone grabbed the grenade training kit from old supply room

1:40:29 and then he goes on to explain how they work, and see what studies say. I would also like to point out some issues with the parachute. This is not your standard circular airdrop chute, it is a steerable chute much like the parafoil design used by skydivers and special operation forces for precision flight path touchdown. It is controlled by GPS to deliver the payload to the intended drop location perhaps the GPS malfunctioned and caused the drop to steer into ISIS held territory? Sincerely yours Sir HMFIC, Black Knight of the US Army. Well there you go and when you look at this video you can see that the grenades are indeed hollow! Well I'm asking you now why didn't somebody in the mainstream media that kept showing this clip say something about this? They have all these experts... Yeah well i can answer that We got our one guy mails us obvious facts because it's

CHAPTER 29 / 47 Discussion

Lebanon and the Wesley Clark Seven Countries Memo

The Associated Press reports that Lebanon is being pulled into the war against the Islamic State as Hezbollah clashes with Sunni militias. The hosts link this development to General Wesley Clark's 2007 revelation of a Pentagon memo to "take out" seven countries in five years, including Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon.

lebanon· wesley clark· isis· hezbollah· syria

1:41:31 It is apparent when you see the things are fake. Yeah, and the pineapple grenade the whole thing is just a penny And I think the funniest part of that note of course is that he? Is laughing while everybody else in the room is biting their nails Right fearful that they're going to be killed any minute by one of these these phony operators Isn't it grand? Oh, it's just too funny How can we keep doing this show? Well, if they just keep it up. Keep the bull crap... Bull crap just never stops! And I keep reading notes about how Lebanon is now being pulled into the war with Islamic State You've seen this pop-up from time to time No, I have not noticed this. I mean, there's ancillary information. Got the link here Associated Press Lebanon pulled into war with Islamic State group

1:42:23 With all eyes on... yeah it says with all eyes and the Islamic State group's onslaught into Iraq and Syria, a less conspicuous but potentially just as explosive front line with the extremists is emerging in Lebanon where Lebanese soldiers and Shiite Hezbollah guerrillas are increasingly pulled into deadly fighting with the Sunni militias. I'd say that's another check mark on the West Clark 7! So I came back to see him a few weeks later And by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, are we still going to war with Iraq? He said oh it's worse than that! He reached over on his desk and picked up a piece of paper and he said... ...I just got this down from upstairs meeting the Secretary of Defense office today. This is a memo that describes how we're gonna take out seven countries in five years starting with Iraq then Syria Lebanon Libya Somalia Sudan and finishing off Iran There you go

CHAPTER 30 / 47 Discussion

Denver Teenagers and the Islamic State Group

Three teenage girls from Denver were detained in Germany while allegedly attempting to travel to Syria to join the "Islamic State Group." The hosts note the media's sudden shift to using the specific phrase "Islamic State Group" and question the logistics of strict Muslim militants recruiting Western teenage girls for combat.

denver· germany· isis· recruitment· social media

1:43:19 And then just briefly, I wanted to say everyone is immediately saying oh the CEO of Total Oil two to the head. They killed him that makes no sense yeah Well, before you go that way I do have two more ISIS clips. Oh, I'm sorry didn't know yes This is the kind of another report it was and it has this guy this NCCT guy got who's a new head of national counter Olsen yeah, but play Isis online first and then play the Olson clip Okay

1:43:55 Late yesterday, word came that three teenage girls from the Denver area were detained over the weekend in Germany. Did I play the wrong one? No that's the right one i believe. I just didn't have it named right. I would have had it played earlier because this is the background to the den- the girls from Denver Okay By American authorities their disappearance raised fears they were on their way to Syria To join the Islamic State group That's because the militants have been There it is again! Islamic state group This is new Hmm That's new Yeah, they're calling Islamic State group. I was just just noticing since have been luring recruits from around the world with a sophisticated web-based media operation US government is now targeting chief foreign affairs correspondent Margaret Warner has the story and a warning it contains some graphic images The Islamic State groups sweeping land grabs across Syria and Iraq this year had been matched by an online onslaught as well

1:44:52 Sophisticated. They got a sophisticated outfit, man. This involves computers and now here's Guy Olson making his little commentary. ISL disseminates timely and high quality media content on multiple platforms including hire them to run Yahoo then that would be perfect if ISL disseminates timely and high quality media content on multiple platforms including on social media all designed to secure widespread following for the group. Last month President Obama urged his fellow leaders at the United Nations to join the fight against Islamic State in the realm of ideas That means contesting the space that terrorists occupy, including the internet and social media. Yeah! This is just so much bullcrap it's ridiculous

1:45:41 Yeah, I know what's ridiculous is that we're not in on the money-making bonanza. Oh my god Can you imagine yeah? But it also eat him yum When you work for the government, you have to create reports and... Yeah. That's the... You gotta do a lot of TPS reports over there. Yeah. And then you have to take guys out to lunch and bribe them put a hooker on them to make sure their contract stays valid. Right? Those days are over for me man. Too much blackmailing. Those days are just over from me. It was like oh come on! Meanwhile I don't get the point of this story but i think it was slipping some information that is old that they didn't catch the first time around. This is the fence jumper clip

CHAPTER 31 / 47 Discussion

White House Fence Jumper and Secret Service Hoax

A new fence-jumping incident at the White House is reported by Major Garrett, involving the use of attack dogs to apprehend the intruder. The hosts compare this to the September 19th incident involving Omar Gonzalez, who was recently declared mentally incompetent for trial. They suggest these events are scripted to rehabilitate the Secret Service's image under new leadership.

white house· secret service· major garrett· omar gonzalez· fence jumper

1:46:21 Yeah, that was interesting. That popped up I think something else about this There's breaking news tonight and with details on this story we'll go to Dick Brennan A man has just jumped the fence at the north lawn of the White House Chief White House correspondent Major Garrett is in DC Major what happened? Good evening dick The US Secret Service confirms that a man jumped the fence onto the North grounds of the white house about 7 30 p.m Eastern time tonight prompting a... Stop! So I have this on the big HD screen. Good evening, dick! So I'm watching, so I got it right up to you know...I had his face. He's reading this is all prompter he's not actually saying anything like you see his eyeballs moving and very subtle is good but he's not great. Major? This is all scripted and this whole thing was like very scripted in sounds like a lousy children's play from high school the way they're doing going back-and-forth but anyway just thought you should know. Oh yeah now that sounds like it thank you very much dick bow over to you dick

1:47:22 I like how you pronounce the dick. The Secret Service has recently added new fences and posted additional agents outside of the North Grounds in the White House, in hopes of deterring fence jumpers. Hey how'd that new low fence work? That really is fantastic that fence! I think they've introduced a new meme, I just thought it as heard this again... These bastards kick dogs. Oh yeah oh yeah who are police officers

1:48:08 That's a felony to kick the dog. Yeah, it's true. Dog kicker. The use of attack dogs in this particular case Dick differs dramatically from the tactics the Secret Service used during the September 19th incident at the White House in which Army veteran Omar Gonzalez climbed that same fence and sprinted into the doors of the executive mansion and made it deep inside the White House complex before being tackled near the green room Gonzalez resisted arrest and faces numerous federal charges related to that fence-jumping crime. He was recently declared not mentally competent to face trial a trial date for Gonzalez has not been set

1:48:49 Fascinating report. Yeah, I found that to be interesting in regards to you know... I think it was a whole thing was the hoax. Yeah like hey we can do it. We get this new guy in charge and he does a better job okay? Well there was also a Secret Service scandal that broke. Right, they brought this back to the fore and this would have never been mentioned if it wasn't for this event and this again is to demean the old woman that was running the place Do you have the clip? Because I have the clip...I don't have the clip but essentially....I have the clip Oh okay well play the clip Or would just like say essentially and explain it I said essentially and I meant it

1:49:30 Two Secret Service agents were investigating threatening comments on Facebook about the President. It sounds like like he's talking through a voice processor that is misconfigured It's a very interesting way of speaking to do secret service agents were investigating threatening nothing meanings. I'm sure yet it It's probably some horrible stroke that he had that we're making fun of, which is not going to be funny in the end. Comments on Facebook about the president and the Nashville man who posted them had refused to let the agents into his house. He shut the door on our face and went around the corner

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Secret Service Fake Warrant Scandal in Nashville

Nashville Police Chief Steve Anderson files a complaint against the Secret Service for attempting to dupe a resident by waving a fake piece of paper as a warrant. The incident involved agents investigating a Facebook post about the President. The hosts praise the Chief for standing up for constitutional rights against federal "condescension" and abuse of power.

nashville· steve anderson· secret service· warrant· julia pierson

1:48:49 Fascinating report. Yeah, I found that to be interesting in regards to you know... I think it was a whole thing was the hoax. Yeah like hey we can do it. We get this new guy in charge and he does a better job okay? Well there was also a Secret Service scandal that broke. Right, they brought this back to the fore and this would have never been mentioned if it wasn't for this event and this again is to demean the old woman that was running the place Do you have the clip? Because I have the clip...I don't have the clip but essentially....I have the clip Oh okay well play the clip Or would just like say essentially and explain it I said essentially and I meant it

1:49:30 Two Secret Service agents were investigating threatening comments on Facebook about the President. It sounds like like he's talking through a voice processor that is misconfigured It's a very interesting way of speaking to do secret service agents were investigating threatening nothing meanings. I'm sure yet it It's probably some horrible stroke that he had that we're making fun of, which is not going to be funny in the end. Comments on Facebook about the president and the Nashville man who posted them had refused to let the agents into his house. He shut the door on our face and went around the corner

1:50:17 We're not sure if he possibly had the gun in his hand. In a letter first sent by Nashville's top cop to Secret Service headquarters, Chief Steve Anderson wrote the resident refused to come outside and shouted back show me your warrant so one of the agents then asked the police sergeant to wave a piece of paper in an apparent effort to dupe the resident into thinking they indeed had a warrant. Hey nice work Secret Service guys! So let me get this straight So this guy had posted something on Facebook, which they could just read in this newspace literally so that we knew what the guy said. But it was taken as a threat and then the Secret Service... Oh! This guy's threatening me to go pick him up and the guy says yeah show me your warrant." This isn't the same scandal I'm thinking of. Oh well i like this one The other scandal was a neighborhood dispute

1:51:09 Oh, I don't know about that. Yeah look up neighborhood dispute secret service now i wish had the clip are you looking this is a different clip apparently some agents went rogue and came off the white house duty they were on the white house duty and there's one of their buddies in Maryland or one of these nearby states had some beef with a guy in his backyard or something and they thought he'd bring it some muscle And he called his buddies from the Secret Service? Yeah, they came in from the White House detail. Well that's what you do! I mean come on if-if you live in Jersey...I got my boys, I call my boys from the-from the department and come on down to help me out just like we do in Jersey. Joy-Z. Don't you know when we stick together? It's crazy, the news is crazy We stick togethers in Joy-Z Oh man yeah

1:51:56 But you got to listen to this because what I like is the Nashville Chief of Police, he said screw this. I'm going to go complain! I'm going to the feds and say that's not okay what you guys are doing. You can't fake having a warrant. This is a constitutional issue." What he talks about is abuse of power by the Secret Service, not just in Washington but here in Nashville. Congressman Jim Cooper is one of the members of the committee who just got the chief's letter detailing the January 2013 incident So you can't steamroll a citizen of this country because we all have rights and we should know how to exercise those rights Good point because most citizens would say okay!

1:52:35 Okay, what do you want me to do? Yeah. It's like Boston remember the Boston Marathon bombing and then they took over a whole town and started going in and out of houses I'm coming in your house just make sure he's not here Oh yeah It's crazy. The incident occurred here in this East Nashville neighborhood, but the chief says when officers arrived they quickly discovered that Secret Service agents had no legal basis to enter the man's house and the man who had a legal permit to carry a gun had not actually threatened anyone with it. That's when officers decided to pull Since then director Julia Pearson had promised to clean up the Secret Service, the chief sent her a complaint about the incident. But Anderson said she did not acknowledge my letter. Assistant Director A.T Smith did call but his tone at best was condescending and dismissive. The chief added I realized that I was being told in a polite manner to mind my own affairs

1:53:27 That's when Anderson demanded a meeting with bosses inside the Secret Service's Nashville office. He recalled asking, do you think it is appropriate to wave a piece of paper in the air and tell him you have a warrant when you don't have one? Answer I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. I dunno, I'm not a lawyer! I'm just at the right time in government. What should i know? Sad and sorry state of affairs. Sorry, State of Affairs ladies and gentlemen just sorry! Top that. That's a toughie Okay two quickies before we take our break All right Sent to me by one of our producers who did a fabulous job A nifty job of clipping little clips here Some equality clips as of course I love the Kurt Vonnegut story about you know the everyone is equal

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Education Alternative Services and Grade Inflation

Schools in Hillsborough County, Florida, are banning the term "dropout" in favor of "education alternative services" to remove negative stigmas. Meanwhile, Orange County implements a "pupil progression plan" where students cannot receive a grade lower than 50, even for failing work. The hosts compare this to the 100-point wine rating scale where nothing is truly rated poorly.

hillsborough county· orange county· dropout· grade inflation· education

1:54:30 And how we are proceeding down a path in the world, just because we have so much media and were good at it here in America. We happen to have lots of reports on it and clips this would fall under you know the The heading of this. There's no winning we don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere But we laugh a lot now everyone hug and share a secret Well new this morning school officials in Hillsborough County are banning the term dropout Instead the Tampa Bay Times reports, the district will refer to their drop-out prevention program as education alternative services School officials say they're changing the term because it's negative and produces a stigma They also want to make sure how the new program name emphasizes student success

1:55:14 Wow, that event clip of the day if it wasn't for Sharp. Here's another one. That is astute, did somebody set that in? Yeah one of our producers Wow and the second one great clip this local news I guess and a second one yeah a second one ready? The pupil progression plan wow that was beautiful system in Orange County is causing a lot controversy under the The pupil progression plan middle and high school students cannot get lower than a 50 when it comes to quarterly or end of semester grades. School board members say the plan gives students a second chance, but teachers say they should be the ones setting the standard when it comes to those scores. By taking just at 50 we give the child the chance. It's still an S.

1:56:06 But if they turn things around, they get tutoring. They become more engaged in the classwork and understand the importance then at least they will not still fail." The teacher... You can't get below a 50 now! So you can't get a zero? No, you can't get a zero. Like used to be able to get a zero, they give you a 0-0. No no you just can't get it Well this is what are they wine tasters?! This is what the wine tasting that's 100 point scale does You can't get below a 50. Well, why not make the scale 50 then? I don't know. I'm just saying you can't get below fifty. Sales of wine is the reason so you'll get high scores no matter what This is why we are the future of media because we have the experts We have people in field. We have people boots on the ground with no ulterior motive other than to make us laugh

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Value for Value Donations and Ghetto Pass Revocation

The hosts read a series of donations from around the world, including Israel, Canada, and Australia. A notable exchange occurs when a black donor "revokes" Adam Curry's "ghetto pass" for his use of certain slang. The segment concludes with a list of $50 donors contributing to their future knighthoods through the "value for value" model.

value for value· knighthood· ghetto pass· gatineau· netanya

1:57:05 And laugh we do. Absolutely, and we do it like this! I got a really long note from, uh...I'm not sure if she wants me to mention her name. Jen? Just say Jen and i'm going to take that-i'm not gonna read the note, just gonna read up the sentence. I'm going to deconstruct the note and then see if there's anything in here that would be something we need to discuss John speculation that some people are put off by the format of this show has merit. Oh! This was initially the case with me

1:57:49 It really struck a chord and it has prompted me to send in my first contribution for the best podcast in the universe, which regrettably is not as much as she'd like. And she goes on... So I'm thinking the phenomenon is two women, both are women. The first one brought this up and she says she's a huge fan now if you remember the last show of this show before Now we have Jen here who says the same thing which i find interesting. I don't know if there's anything that we can do about it And the format being what? Because we have donations or... Oh, it's jingles, they're ridicule Oh that! I think its their ridicule The ridicule of the news, because let's imagine that you're locked in to an Obama... I think a lot of these people may have been bots. As opposed to the kind of the independents who've always been skeptical and all we do is reconfirm their skepticism but somebody that's all in. And then we come along with this stuff that we say and it's counter to everything

1:58:51 that the media does. Counter, almost 180 and... In most cases it is exactly a turn we turn the world upside down yeah and maybe it just makes people nervous or you take you know I don't know but this is the second female woman who has mentioned this but now they're all in so I don't know well as long as they get out of it We are like Vegemite God, let's hope not. I could never get into Vegemite. Me neither! Brian we want to thank a few people for show 663 including Brian Vaughn in San Carlos California 14437 That's the sack of sevens time for seven years It's actually second sevens twice yeah nice what you know it's not one four four three seven is that right? I don't know but i'll take it I can't do math Oh no he had no it said with a mini beast

1:59:46 The mini beast is 67 for six, oh it's 77 and 77 plus 66. Okay that's one. Beautiful! I made...didn't read it properly Kevin Benson in Yowie Bay New South Wales Australia $111.11 And he apparently just because of the newsletter where I had a terrific photo that was sent by one of our producers You know sometimes I think to myself Is this going to continue forever? And I thought, yeah probably. How is a winner! I just like the idea of you sitting around in the walking around the house thinking oh yes this is a great picture what these kittens are fabulous for the newsletter because it shows...you know what it is for the sometimes brusque direct form of communication you can have it shows you have a tender heart

2:00:45 Kittens! Did you see that picture? Of course I saw the picture, one for every year. That was actually eight kittens. I counted them and tried to use that angle but there weren't too many kittens in that box. We'll bring the kittens back for next year but...I just thought it was the funniest thing ever anyway. And people should be subscribing to The Newsletter just for pictures like this because we don't have more subscribers El Cid Compadour. Hey, El Cid! From the fifth... let's see what is that? From the fifth column. From the fifth column. $100 if too much trouble make it anonymous which he did or use a name, you know, Cid. He okay this is an interesting situation with him

2:01:30 He is a... he's contributed before, we used his real name and now he wants us to go back to LC. Yeah, he contributes a lot by email. He sends us a lot of stories and leads and ideas. Yes, he's a big contributor in a lot of different ways and he's actually got about $2500 in the bank that he has given and he has never been knighted Yeah, and it was a little unclear. I asked him about it. I asked him specifically said I don't want to be knighted Well that's not okay Well he says his wife will find out Oh What are we like? A whore Yes! We're the whore That is keeping him busy on this side I have no idea but that's what she said Sorry Okay He should be knighted El Cid Who's gonna know His wife will never find out Unless that's Come on El Cid Unless that's what he's called in bed Dig me El Cid come on

2:02:22 That's a possibility. Kevin McLaughlin in Locust, North Carolina which I didn't know there was a city by that name is a good name 7777 which is to celebrate our seventh anniversary coming up shortly the end of the month Jonathan Rose and Netanya Israel 7777. That's Sir Joe Rose, it could be yes sir Jono. Thank you. Yes thank you. Shalom. Mathieu, Mathieu, Mathieu. Mathieu, come on you speak French! Mathieu. Mathieu? Yeah, Mathieu. Mathieu. 77-77 in Gatineau. Je m'en fous Mathieu And by the way it's much flatter in Canada than anything like you just did Sarah Gardner in Wilmington North Carolina Sorry Mr. French It's gotta be flat, can it flat French?

2:03:18 I had a new woman that was gonna say you had a girlfriend. Yes, as a friend of mine And she went to catch he went to France for the first time speaking that French that they speak in Canada hate the Canadians when they claims it though The woman she was speaking to spit in her face. I don't know if it's a bullshit story. No, no, I believe that The French are strange, man. They're strange. They're leftovers from the Jurassic Age. Sarah Gardner in Wilmington North Carolina is 7755 and that's a combination of her fifth anniversary and wedding anniversary and our seventh anniversary. Very nice!

2:03:57 She wants a call out or not. G Guilford Williams in Schaumburg, Illinois $75 you can read the comment there right there very long comment during the douchebag saying here I don't get it see that Adam makes the drive is that Adams honky-ass tries to sound mockingly hip when he says it. Oh yeah, well maybe... Here to be clear as a black man I don't have a problem with people sounding jackass-y saying nigga i'm particularly sick of this overly sensitive liberal BS about words that hurt my gripe is only that Adam's honky ass tries to sound mockingly hip when he says it at the risk of sounding like a cyber buddy Adam please stop you're a tall white guy who made and blew millions in old media ghetto pass revokes

2:04:48 Well, I'm sorry. Now that my ghetto pass has been revoked... Is there a way to get my ghetto pass back? He's gonna have to come up with another donation. If there is a way that i can get my ghetto pass back until then My black friend has revoked my ghetto pass. This I take seriously, everybody else can pound sand someone revoking the ghetto pass that's like taking my gypsy ring so i'm done. I will never say it again. Calaniste store in Northville Michigan $70 and 7 cents Jonathan

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2:06:20 6660 and we have a birthday coming up for his son. Brian Novato in Los Angeles, California 5678 Kevin Dills in Charlotte North Carolina 5510 Robert Stokes in Middleton Texas 5510 Andy Benz in Saint Louis Missouri 5510, a lot of 5510s today. Christopher Dolan in Berlin Connecticut which I get a kick out of that at 5152 and these the following ones are all $50 donations from Mark Montgomery Mississauga Ontario J.M. Cavallaro in Hayward, California I can wave at him Sandra Geisler in Watkinsville Georgia Remy Brabus in Charlotte North Carolina Jason Daniels and Dallas Texas Brendan Menk in Tempe Arizona T Abel in Burgfield Berkshire UK Mark Aragon in Portales New Mexico

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Knighting Ceremony for Sir James of Ice and Sand

James Cates is officially knighted as "Sir James of the Ice and Sand" after reaching the $1,000 donation threshold. The hosts perform the traditional ceremony, offering a list of humorous rewards such as "Hookers & Molly" and "Mutton in Mead." They also discuss the logistics of ordering more knight rings and the upcoming "podcast license" requirement.

knighting· james cates· ice and sand· rings· podcast license

2:08:06 It's free. What? John went, it's free! What?! It's free! I'm doing... you spend time on that. Yeah well cat pictures are hard to come by you have to lose a lot of kitten pics And then y'all send it to me Luckily somebody sent this picture in a couple weeks ago and I've always thought was one of the funniest ones I've ever seen hence the teaser But it's good work. It's just one of those things that has turned into an excellent product, an outstanding product... I have friends who don't listen to the show who subscribe to the newsletter. I have friends subscribe to the newsletter just to analyze your newsletter! Well they should. It's a good newsletter. It's very well structured. It's a very good newsletter and thank you to everyone who has donated under $50. Those amounts all count towards your knighthood

2:08:52 L-Cid, I strongly would recommend if we can. He actually would be a baronet! That's what i mean man... It could be insta-baronet. We could do something special for him and more and more people are becoming knights now because they've been on the program long enough with these monthlies that they've reached their knighthood status it's really fun to see this happening in fact did you get the note from Eric? Did you reply to him? No See, I figured you would reply. What did I do? Well we're out of- We're out of uh... Oh no! I saw that yeah Yeah but did you reply to him No Because if you don't reply to him he thinks we hate him or something You know how he gets

2:09:33 Oh, he's fine. Okay! He knows that half the time I say okay, I'll get back...he knows me enough to look at some of these subjects and go oh uh I'll get back to that. Well I looked at it- I was gonna get back to it eventually But he put me first in the two line like ugh... It's just fine though, it's fine. Alright. Wait what? I think you need to say yes its okay go on order them Yeah we have to order more rings every time I cringe I know See I wanted to go to pins Yeah, you know that's for some reason that idea never caught on. Don't know how and me well I was I voted yes in the meeting and then we just kept going with rings And i'm fine it's rings we're going with rings Thank You everybody if you've been doing if you're on the 33 Frank's forever if you're on the 3333 plan Please let me know via email and I will get you your podcast license That will be necessary very soon

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2:11:26 Running out of steam job. Getting a little, little lightheaded on the projective things that's fine you know you still sound like a pro thank you now I really just don't have the it's all diaphragm is just ever so and my whole body is tired So anyway sounds like you still have it yeah what the more get sick she only had a throat ache if she's a woman Women are stronger that way. And of course men, you know when I'm sick...I groan. Oh you're one of those? And just the opposite and oh really i'm not sick Then I go out and infect everybody. I should be kept at home The worst part is I could not sleep because my snoring which I don't typically snore was waking myself up Yeah

2:12:21 Yeah, your eyes go... every five days. What? Who's that? Who is that dad? One nighting thank you for reminding me with that sword come on James Cates he finally made it to his knighthood could not be prouder and happier for him the amount of one thousand dollars or more so James Cates come on up to the podium as we hereby pronounce thee Sir James of the Ice and Sand, as requested. For you my friend, we have Hookers & Molly, Rent Boys and Chardonnay, some blow if you want as well, Root Beer and Legos, Ass Cream and Bear Fillings Bad Science and Perky Breasts Hot Librarians and Jaeger Bombs

2:12:57 Hot pans and booze, wenches and beer, geishas and sake, vodka vanilla bong hits and bourbon sparkling cider and escorts or mutton in mead. Head on over to noageneration.com slash rings before he passes out. Yeah I'll make it i'll make...I just gotta be careful. I like to project a lot of projector into the mic Yes, I use the barrel mic. That's correct. Now you see Procaster? I like it a lot because you don't need a windscreen and has one built in So you don't have so that you don't lose a lot of the dynamics just a little tip Just little tip here from me oh here comes miss me Thank You darling what is this water yeah? Thank you hear it ain't some water kid would you say you need some water you put some coding in here

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Patrick Moore and the Australian Climate Debate

Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore appears on Sky News Australia to discuss "The Pause" in global warming over the last 18 years. He debates Erwin Jackson of the Climate Institute, pointing out that Antarctic sea ice is at record highs despite rising CO2 levels. The hosts praise the rare instance of a balanced, calm discussion on climate science in the media.

patrick moore· greenpeace· climate change· antarctica· ipcc

2:13:46 Ooh, now you're talking. Oh She got me the bubbly water nice Right in a little bit about ten minutes in we'll be hearing a nice belch no no hey I have some I was watching As crazy as Australia gets sometimes and going all in on Gitmo Nation, lock everybody up. More than three people in a room... It was a prison colony to begin with so they fall right into this. You know if they have this law more than three people in a room is illegal you know you can get arrested? Yeah it's like in a prison! Now they have this show and on the show um they had Patrick Moore

2:14:33 who was one of the original co-founders of Greenpeace, who quit Greenpeace because he said it wasn't following science anymore. They became a political organization. Yeah duh! And Erwin Jackson of the Climate Institute and this was a half hour program on Sky Australia I think and it was a point counterpoint about climate change and it was one of the best discussions I have heard where even the hosts, there's two hosts. I'm not quite sure what this program is... Two hosts who also participate but they're kind of neutral

2:15:12 And I pulled three clips from it, two short ones one longer one because it also got funny and showed how when the all in climate guys who are turns out aren't really scientists. And this guy certainly isn't and you may want to look up the Climate Institute in Australia not the climate institute dot org but the climate institute dot com dot au I think. It's in show notes It was just a really good discussion and I was very proud that this kind of conversation is able to be broadcast still in Australia without, you know the ridicule and people having shouted down. Yes exactly so here is the first bit with Patrick Moore co-founder of Greenpeace. 18 years since it's been

2:16:02 any warming of the globe? What's everyone going on about?" Well, it is quite spectacular actually because there was a lot of concern that the world would warm if we kept pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and even though in the last 18 years 25% percent of all CO2 that humans have ever put into the atmosphere has gone in there. There has been no significant warming of the worlds climate And so therefore it brings into serious question whether or not there really is a strong relationship between carbon dioxide and warming of the Earth's atmosphere. Professor Erwin Jackson is in our Melbourne studio, I just wonder what your response to that? Is the Earth warming? Well it isn't and there's no doubt about that really if you look at the observational record, you look at what's happening to our ice sheets, you look at whats happening in the oceans There's all clear evidence that the world is warming Yes the rate of warming has slowed

2:16:55 In the last few years it's not as rapid as it has been previously. But there are potentially very good reasons for that, we have natural variability in the climate system and some parts of the ocean are heating up quite significantly so the extra energy we're trapping into the Earth system is going to different places no just our surface temperature." So that's just the opening there where the guy is already waffling a little bit by saying, well you know the warming is in other places it's not just in the atmosphere and now it's going to get interesting as for the first time I've ever heard count point uh point counterpoint on the

2:17:31 Arctic ice loss versus the Antarctic ice gain. I think you would agree Owen that the Antarctic ice is at the highest level it's been, the sea ice around Antarctica is more extensive than it has been since we started measuring it in 1979 if you add area of sea ice around Antarctica with the area of sea ice in the Arctic, there is actually no trend whatsoever since 1979. It's about the same as it was then and when you say it's slowing down its actually slowed down to zero which is what we call The Pause and IPCC agrees with that

2:18:11 The East Anglia University agrees with that. I'm sorry Patrick, that's actually not what the IPCC say. Yes, that is what Petroi has said. They say the last three decades have been the warmest on record and they've been warmer than everyone before it. They also say that the global increase in temperature has increased over the period you're talking about yes not as quickly as it had in a previous period but they also said its actually increasing so it's actually incorrect to say if you look at the full body of the IPCC work... Now it's interesting to say, but you have to look at the full body of the IPCC work which is filled with most likely kind of likely we think so and this is total bullcrap.

2:18:51 to suggest that the world isn't warming. And yes, parts of the Antarctic have a higher level of sea ice than they have in the past and there's good reason for that because the global climate is changing which is promoting greater winds which is promoting greater ice build up in certain parts of the Antarctic So he's pulling out all the, all the, the guy is pretty good but not good enough for this very calm cool and collected Patrick Moore. Now comes the death what do you call that? The fun, the death blow, which comes in a one two three punch where the host finally says look has now has it warmed or not in the past 18 years and

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NASA Global Warming Pause and Expert Credentials

During the Australian climate debate, Erwin Jackson admits he is not actually a professor despite being introduced as one. Patrick Moore cites NASA data confirming that global average surface temperatures have stopped rising in tandem with greenhouse gases in the 21st century. The hosts argue that the climate movement is driven by sociology and irrational phobias rather than scientific reason.

nasa· patrick moore· erwin jackson· global warming· credentials

2:19:35 You're gonna hear a couple of funny things and then finally it's almost like the Hitler card of the climate debate. Has the earth warmed in the last 18 years or not? Let's hear from both men, firstly Dr Moore Well, the satellite record shows zero warming in the last 18 years despite the fact that one quarter of all CO2 we have ever emitted because of the rapidly increasing rate of CO2 emissions from China and Russia and Indonesia and India and the United States and around the world has happened in the last 18 years. So there's a tremendous disconnect between the rate of carbon dioxide buildup in the atmosphere and the warming which has essentially disappeared, gone to zero in the last 18 years. Let's get the professor's answer to that. Well first of all I should clarify that I'm actually not a professor. Oh my apologies! You can be for one night. Oops, little problem there in the production

2:20:38 So he's not a prof- they've been calling him professor for the whole show so far. He's not a professor and the other host says, well you can't be for one night. You can because it said everywhere professor everyone looks like a douche bag now and so now he cops to what he really is. I'm deputy CEO at the climate institute right? So which you should look up John it is the bonanza look at their partners a banana I tell you. The core issue is that Patrick's entitled to his opinion as the public and as policy makers of the media commentators we need to make it, we need to make a judgment based on the evidence and i think everyone would agree with that

2:21:23 If you look at the evidence that is put forward by CSIRO, NASA every major research institution on the planet they've all come to basically the same conclusion. Now he makes a very grave error by mentioning NASA. Well it is continuing to warm albeit not as fast as it was and human activities are the principal cause behind that. I don't know, you blokes have sort of learnt all this stuff off and you say well if i keep repeating it often enough someone will believe me. You mentioned NASA. I've got a quote here from NASA in the 21st century greenhouse gases have continued to accumulate in the atmosphere just as they did in the 20th century but global average surface temperatures have stopped rising in tandem with the gases Dr Moore isn't that what you were saying? Exactly

2:22:13 By the way, you couldn't say this to your blue in the face two people who are all in there I'll just tell you that. You're crazy. You're stupid That's not true now I was actually stunned by the reaction you have. In fact, Michael Crichton talked about this one in his last days about how they...nobody listens to reason. They're all very few of them ever been scientists worked in science took science they don't know anything but they were all lockstep with this and it's part of its hatred of the petroleum company there is a lot of sociology. Irrational, it's phobia. It's totally irrational yeah

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Hiroshima Bomb Analogy and Ocean Heat Hiding

Climate activists are criticized for using an analogy that global warming is equivalent to detonating four Hiroshima bombs every second. The hosts mock the theory that "missing" heat is hiding in the deep ocean and predict the movement will shift its focus to "ocean acidification" as temperature data fails to support warming. They reiterate their skepticism of computer models that cannot accurately predict short-term weather.

hiroshima· carbon pollution· ocean acidification· computer models· global cooling

2:22:49 So when you do this, these guys are...this guy is the Climate Institute. It's a PR company and they work with the biggest all the big names are there and they are part of the big movement which is money it's all about money. Well I'm gonna put like I don't even have to put this in the book because I think it's already happening but I will predict that the climate change movement will shift gears Because of this at some point people are gonna look and say that this is the guy's right doesn't it hasn't been any change It was very interesting you say this, but I think they're gonna shift gears and push to a cooling no ocean acidification and here it comes. I'm glad you said that so first The guy's going to pull the Hitler card and Patrick Moore Is going to talk about the ocean stuff? And The truth of what's really happening

2:23:45 So what is your view? The issue is, I think we need to disconnect two issues here. One is absolutely right the level of emissions that we are putting into the atmosphere from carbon pollution has been increasingly very rapidly in last Carbon Pollution years Surface temperature based on all evidence that's been put forward by the international community increasing but that doesn't mean to say other things aren't happening at the moment, but we've created a change in the LNG balance of the climate system which is equivalent roughly of detonating about four atomic bombs about the size of Hiroshima every second. What? That means an energy has to go somewhere Yeah you heard it

2:24:24 And I'll bet you more people are going to start saying this. It's like every day we're putting so much carbon pollution, it is the equivalent of detonating four Hiroshima bombs and Patrick Moore is going to put a stop to this. Some of its going into the surface temperature some of us going into the ocean some of its melting ice and the overall picture is very clear that climate is changing That is seriously silly analogy to talk about Hiroshima bombs exploding. What you're saying is that you believe that more heat is coming into the Earth's system And you don't know where it's going. Some people are saying it is in the deep ocean, now it's hiding in the deep ocean That's what they postulated It must be because it's not warming the atmosphere But the fact is that heat is actually not coming into Earth's atmosphere Because climate sensitivity to carbon dioxide Is nowhere near as much as people thought before Many people are beginning to think

2:25:20 that the positive feedbacks they were building into these computer models are wrong and there may in fact be a negative feedback to CO2 increase. All else being equal, it is true that carbon dioxide would cause some warming but what if the water vapor actually suppresses the CO2's impact because all else is not equal? There are many factors at work here... And we're going towards cooling! You know, it could be. We've always said that on this show even though we're kind of mocking it a bit but at the same time there are guys from the 1970s...we talked about this before from the global cooling panic took place from 1976 to 1978 and many of the scientists onboard are the same scientists on this side of it and many of those that were on board are still on board with global cooling

2:26:13 It was worth it. It was worth it. Yep, but I like that you know oh it's in the ocean and sitting in the deep deep ocean that's where the heat is coming! We're doomed we are doing her head is gone...we're all gonna die well it's interesting to watch because at a certain point there will be enough very clear statements from the scientific community that people will have to say yeah It's very hard. People, they're all in and really believe it. The president keeps standing up there and saying it but it's just not true." It's so obviously political to me too that's the strange thing about it. Yeah, it is. And I don't know... Actually the lack of discussion at any level that makes sense

2:27:09 And listening to people like Joy Behar, you know go on and on about how I miss her show What showed is does she have a show now? Is that what you're telling now. No, I think she was on the young She was on the current net they try to put her on current then that folded I don't think she has this shown and I think she's never gonna get another one but yeah, she was very entertaining at to say kind of a female version of L Sharpton in terms of her thought process, but yeah. It just baffles me because they do have all the temperature information that we're not seeing what... The guy's right there is no change for 18 years? It's bull crap and people that are really naive about computer science and they buy into this idea of a computer model

2:27:54 I sent a tweet around days ago showing the computer model that predicted that the... The volcanic ash? ... would win the first game of the World Series, a computer model. And of course they lost! No, the volcanic ash is another good one you were always... You moan about that one. Yeah. The computer models suck! They can't even give us what weather's going to be like tomorrow! Weather is not climate Well, it is nowadays. It depends on whether or not...if it validates then it is climate if it doesn't validate then it's not climate I mean come on does anybody see through this charade? No, no crap! No they don't. And if you go have dinner with your Obama bot friends they'll think your nuts just a denier. You're lying science We know they think I'm nut that's obvious

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Takata Airbag Recall and Red State Targeting

The NHTSA issues an urgent advisory for 5 million vehicle owners to replace defective Takata airbags that can explode. A producer notes that the "regional recall" specifically targets Southern red states like Florida, Texas, and Mississippi. The hosts suggest the timing of the advisory, just before the 2014 midterms, is intended to make the federal government appear trustworthy to Republican-leaning voters.

takata· nhtsa· airbag recall· red states· midterm elections

2:28:47 There's nothing new there. It was actually, there was one of our producers Glenn caught this and I thought it was an interesting theory. Uh it was about this report. Good evening and it is great to start another week with you and we begin with that urgent warning for drivers for families across this country from the federal government. It involves airbags in millions of cars on the roads right now Are they at risk of exploding? Tonight, they're urging nearly 5 million families to take their cars to be repaired right now because of a defective airbag that can explode without warning sending dangerous materials shards of metal flying through the car. Safety advocates say this brings the total up to 20 million cars tonight here we ask is your car one of them and where were those airbags made ABC's chief investigative correspondent Brian Ross

2:29:31 Wow. What was interesting about this... I noticed the story flowing through, but I didn't really focus on it. Well what was interesting and this is what producer Glenn said he said if you read the NHTSA that's the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration if you read their actual advisory and its advisory and I have here vehicle owners with defective airbags urge to take immediate action The message comes with urgency, especially pay note for owners of vehicles affected by regional recalls in the following areas. Florida Puerto Rico limited areas in the Gulf of Mexico and Texas Alabama Mississippi Georgia Louisiana as well as Guam Saipan America Samoa and the Virgin Islands and Hawaii but mainly southern red states and his thesis which I think is a good one is that this

2:30:29 so-called recall, which is and it's really vehicles that are from 2000 to 2005. And it's an advisory... It doesn't apply to my old 1993 Lexus? Let me see I have the list here he says he believes that was put out there at this very interesting timing to give current lawmakers in these states you know, a reason to pontificate and look how the government is trustworthy and looking out for ya. Vote Democrat." That could be I think almost if we interpreted all the news for the next few weeks it's all gonna be like this everything is going to be vote Democrat or vote Republican depending on what who plants what story. You have Alexis SC? Yeah from what year 93 let me see 2002

2:31:29 Does yours even have an airbag? Oh yeah. Yeah, and I gotta have to hand crank the engine! Contact 2002-2005 Lexus SC. Potentially... it all says potentially potentially but you know no one is gonna go in and get their air bag replaced. That's expensive. I think right now the air bag costs more than my car is worth. Dodge Ram 2003 so I'm lucky there I have a 2002 so it's not my Dodge and not your Lexus. Oh good, yay! Yeah we win. Figure if you with older cars don't vote they're all gonna vote Republican anyway so who cares? I just thought it was a...not a bad theory No I liked it, I liked it yeah because it was such a strange story Not as straight now this is just the throwaway clip but holy crap

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Dish Network Turner Dispute and HBO Streaming

Dish Network drops Turner Broadcasting channels, including CNN, due to a carriage dispute, replacing them with MSNBC. The hosts discuss Michael Wolff's thesis that television is disrupting the internet through new streaming services from HBO and CBS. They also criticize Adobe for its "spy-like" reporting features embedded in the Flash player used for online video distribution.

dish network· cnn· turner broadcasting· hbo· adobe flash

2:32:24 To see this on an outfit that wants to be serious about their news, of course Carol CNN. I mean who can really take her serious at all? And by the way you've got me interrupt you i've got the dish right yeah cnn has been pulled off the dish what yes all the turner stuff is they're in dispute so i go to the i go to see guess what they substituted cnn with msnbc that wasn't on already? No, it was but now it's on two channels. Wow! Well that's no good. No, no What's the dispute do we know what the actual dispute is about? Somebody wants money Well yeah I'd like to know well this is interesting there was a good article in let me see where is it with Michael Wolff was that wired um let me see Hollywood Reporter Magazine very good article people should read that hollywoodreporter.com Michael Wolff

2:33:24 And he said something, his thesis is very good I feel about HBO and CBS who are now starting to stream. He says if you think the internet is disrupting television you're wrong. Television is disrupting the Internet and I agree with him! I think he's absolutely right Yeah, Netflix. I know it's, it's, you know, it's a big thing for people to watch and to get into the industry because they're so used to watching TV. And then when you have a lot of content that is mainstreamed on social media, which is what we do here at YouTube, right? It's like, Oh my God, this is going to be a huge hit.

2:34:15 Kind of interesting except for the Millennials who don't watch any of that stuff and they get all their it was a millennial chick Who was saying it the whole time? Well, she's just oddball. Maybe maybe I don't know well We'll see because podcasting is one of the threats to two races radio It is the threat it is the threat its own thing as a thread anymore I keep hearing NPR pushing their podcast one or was it NPR One app, which is going to fail. They can't! I know they can't the lucky thing is that terrestrial radio is so bad and filled with commercials to such an extreme that

2:34:56 I don't think listeners can put up with it. It's different with TV, TV still has incredible production values for some of the shows and they're well-written that pay people big money and they pay writers money... And there is a lot of expense. And they have residuals and unions. Right, it's all set up as a real system that works. Radio has got none of that! The problem is unless by subscription, the free advertising model really is not going to work very well No, I in my opinion. We don't use it in my opinion for we were you don't use it for a number of different reasons well For us but I'm just saying that for the TV services. I don't know the TV Oh no They're gonna bet dad I've been getting Once in awhile on missus show that I didn't record or something and I'll go stream It a lot most most of them right shows are steamable yeah And they they don't have as many commercials that but they have commercials yeah, and slit and you can't

2:35:53 But you can't, there's no way of getting or you can't. No way to skip now it got the things yeah and so you have to watch this commercial they give you a countdown you got one minute well you know who the winner is in that Adobe Adobe and I think they even say it right here in this article which was it kind of slipped in let me just see this for a second let me search for this It was very interesting maybe wasn't in this article Adobe reports numbers to industries because they have all kinds of reporting shit that's going back to Adobe in their Flash player. It is really quite interesting to see this happen. Adobe really is not a good company, In their heart they're just spies you know? I don't know how they ever got that way. Just market position! Once YouTube happened That became de facto way to distribute video

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Sarah Palin Alaska Brawl and Media Glee

CNN reports with apparent "glee" on a massive brawl in Anchorage, Alaska, involving Sarah Palin's family. The hosts criticize the media's preoccupation with mocking the Palins and compare it to Martin Bashir's past "bullying" comments about the former governor. They argue that finding humor in women being physically assaulted is a disturbing trend in partisan media.

sarah palin· anchorage· cnn· bullying· martin bashir

2:36:49 you know, flash video. That was it. Yeah HTML5 they're trying to try and they're trying but I don't think... They keep trying and trying anyway this is a back to the original point this was a very disturbing certainly from a female point of view that this took place on CNN. Okay, I'm just gonna come right out and say it this is quite possibly the best minute and a half of audio we've ever come across well come across at a long time anyway A massive brawl in Anchorage Alaska reportedly involving Sarah Palin's kids and her husband It was sparked after someone pushed one So she thought it was so fantastic they just love the crazy Palin's

2:37:29 Wow, that's very disturbing. It is very disturbing. What does this preoccupation stem from? Women... Again of course pushing the Democrat agenda Yes and what happened here is men were beating up on girls and women and she finds this funny I don't know what happened there Are they possibly a bunch of Yahoo Alaskan rednecks or whatever you want to call them Yeah maybe But still, like why would you find that so great? What kind of glee. It's really interesting how Sarah Palin went from a vice presidential candidate to this! I find it very...it's just and women doing it. Men don't except for the Martin Bashir who said she'd been shitting her face or something which is awesome. The guy was the creep Yeah, I'm not okay with that. That's bullying by the way

2:38:29 That's actual bullying that is taking place. But okay, I don't know... It's unpopular to say, what you stick up for Sarah Palin? Another interesting meme. Yeah she is just a person whatever. You stick up for Sarah Palin. So tiring. Well I got a clip along these lines. There's a female writer named Nazar Afisi, who is an Iranian. And she just finished the book called The Republic of Imagination and she's an intellectual that has interesting commentary. So she was on being interviewed by PBS NewsHour, one of the guys at...

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Azar Nafisi and The Republic of Imagination

Author Azar Nafisi discusses her book The Republic of Imagination, arguing that Americans have become "indifferent" to literature. She criticizes the politicization of university English classes and the impact of Common Core on student outcomes. Nafisi uses Sinclair Lewis's 1922 novel Babbitt to illustrate the "standardization of thought" and the focus on utility over art in modern society.

azar nafisi· common core· sinclair lewis· babbitt· literature

2:39:16 And I just think this is some of the most interesting commentary. It's not short, but it's not real long. Play clip one. Its author is Azar Nafisi who previously addressed them in the bestseller reading Lolita in Tehran and welcome Azar Thank you So there in Tehran in those years Literature was dangerous. Here, very different right? The way I feel is that books are dangerous in their own way in every society but the way we treat them here the way we destroy them here it's not through guns or bullets or jail We just become indifferent towards them Indifferent Yeah You know indifference is one of the most fatal weapons you can use because you don't see, you don't hear, you don't touch

2:40:04 Ray Bradbury says that you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Only get people not to read them, you know? I mean they're almost sort of like flowers—they just wither and die if there are no readers! Okay, and she goes on and discusses you by the way blames Common Core and everything else for this whole phenomenon But she started noticing this in the 90's And I think I've noticed it too a word You know people aren't reading even though I have to say Jeff Bezos has done more for readers than anybody and I agree complimented and he got to Washington Post will be publishing forever

2:40:43 and he just wants people to read. Of course, it's good for his business but I get the sense that he is a big time reader and people who are very adamant about it so let us play part two. Babbit represents... This is the Nazar 2 you got Babbit Oh! I'm sorry It was out of order. Yes, my mistake here we go and I noticed it when i returned to America in 1997 I noticed that in the way they were being taught at universities a lot of time in many English classes not all by any means They were taught as handmaidens to something political or ideological

2:41:21 What, books were handmade? Yeah. Books were just used to promote some political agenda and I noticed this too the book reading list that I've seen in college campuses are terrible there's a bunch of propaganda bullcrap they don't have anybody reading the classics anymore it's all kind of shot away from that And typically there is always the professor's book on the list which is really expensive Right overpriced scam And so, in her new book she breaks apart three famous American novels that have this

2:41:57 ability to portend the future or at least predict what's going on today. And she talks a little bit about Babbitt, I want to recommend as a really fun novelist, it's Sinclair Lewis' novel, I think was written in 1928 or so and it was... Sinclair Lewis is the... he also wrote Not In Our Time? What is it? Sinclair Lewis is one of our Nobel Prize winning novelists Right but what does the book that we've discussed before I don't know that we discussed it in clarity. Yes, of course! Come on... It can happen here? It can happen here exactly yeah That's what got him to the when he wrote it can't happen here He got a great book by the way great book. It's a great book a great book very entertaining and he got thrown out of the intellectual Elite circle because it's a it's a book about how great is about liberals

2:42:44 And so that was the end for him in terms of that sort of... John Dos Passos, the same thing happened to him and other men. I'm going to order this book right away! Babbit? Babbitt is the name of the book. Yeah, Babbit! I mean it's a very funny book It's about... well she explains it a little bit but then she goes into condemning some of the thinking that's in the book Okay Not to thinking that was written just the mockery of the thinking In other words he points out the foibles of this type of thinking Okay Lewis does great book Played yeah Babbit represents, is more than anything else a standardization of thought. You know his home the way he speaks all of them are according to a rule but it is that standardization of thought and in Babbitt you know it's almost it will soon be 100 years since that book was written

2:43:37 The standard for success, like now is money. And even the way he speaks you know the way we talk about job creators... Right job creators but you take it further so you look into our schools you look at the emphasis on outcomes on testing on that on the Common Core and you see something that is too much focused on utility jobs on outcomes. Yes, I agree. It is a manifestation of an attitude very good point Yeah, and does she have a book out as well? Is there a book about this? This is the one I mentioned which is The Republic of Imagination And this is about America yeah it's about her concerns and she She...it sounds like a good book. I may get to book myself at all get a Kindle. You know I have resorted to paperbacks

2:44:53 And it's only because I've noticed my own habit. Mickey has one of those paper whites that you really like and I still have my original Kindle which when the paper white came out, the original Kindles went for nine bucks or whatever...I can't remember. And I just find that on the Kindle I get distracted It's, when I read a book, I typically will read it out in one sitting or in two sessions. And um, I can read very fast and the, and I know for some reason just the paperback and paperback not hardcover paperback just works so much better for me. Well that's what you should get! Yeah but it doesn't seem to be available on paperback yet this book was just came out so probably I'll get it in hardcover. It's in Kindle too but I'll get it in hard cover

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Photography Projectors and Pentax 645Z

Adam Curry asks John C. Dvorak for technical advice on purchasing a projector for a photography art project. They discuss the necessary lumens (2000+) and resolution (1080p vs 720p) for projecting images in a dark room. The segment also mentions the Pentax 645Z, a 51-megapixel medium format camera that produces "amazing" image quality.

pentax 645z· lumens· dlp· projector· photography

2:45:43 And I just picked up Babbit, three bucks. Yeah, I have a first. I have a collection of...I know this is little a feat but i have a fairly decent collection of first edition Sinclair Lewis's books. Oh nice! And I have Babbitt and they can get him for nothing. Anyway Sinclair Lewis has been marginalized for so long eventually he'll pick up in value I think but nobody cares about that. You know? He's not promoting the democratic agenda A question for you of a technology nature Yes, I know you're a guy who would know this but Mickey wants to do something. She has an art project with photography and she wants a projector

2:46:24 to project images on a wall that would be reasonably big. She doesn't want to spend a lot of money, right? How many lumens would she need or could you recommend a particular device the reason I ask is because it just pops up on Amazon so depends on something the environment if it's in a darkened room I still think you need over 2000 lumens generally and I think you can get some that are pretty high well she might even cheap she won't be using um... That's a good question cause if she uses flash she wont see anything So she'd have to light it with no flash. And I depends on how big she wants if she wants 100 inches probably yeah then it's gonna have to be in a dark room at the garage

2:47:07 Okay, it was dark. Yeah that would be fine But but she'll need some light if she'll have to have light because she's gonna photograph with someone in front of it or something so in front Of the screen and there's an image on her not flash She's gonna have to know she won't you won't be able to flash left it yeah okay? You got to go with high ASA And then she's gonna have to yep. She can do that fast lenses yes well You know what she did you know they gave her tomorrow what they lent her at pen tax oh Oh, that thing. Do you remember the model number of that thing? Some like a 648 or some 600 series. 52 megapixels? Yeah! Holy crap! Yeah I know you can see a bug on someone... A gnat. Oh it's...I mean I took a picture of that thing and it looked- I took a picture and it looked like a picture

2:47:58 I'm stupid. I have no talent for taking pictures It'll look real... this thing is amazing Yeah, yeah Too bad she has to bring it back Well you know she can save up and buy it And there will be used ones available that will be a little cheaper When they come out with the 100 megapixel model then that one will be available So do you think how many lumens? 2000 lumens you said? I'm thinking 24, 2000 and up Okay, they get it more expense the more lumens the more expensive. Yeah Be nice to have three thousand I think and and what resolution oh you have to have like oh geez that's a good question is XG You need the ones there's a bunch of theirs. There's some projectors now that are 1080p but my experience is that a seven

2:48:54 What's the seven? I can't remember anymore because they don't use this resolution. 720p, which is a bit...I think most of these will do like 1080 by 760. That should be DLP or LCD. 1080 by 768. Element LP. If you can get it well, we'll talk about this later. You're no help! I think, it's boring. You're floundering and that's why it is because I have to go online. That's okay. That's okay you know you'll help us out okay but it depends 720p would be fine which is I think a 1080 by 768 which can turn into 720 p pretty easily hey did could did you make anything of that Russian submarine in Sweden's

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Swedish Submarine Hunt and Total Oil CEO Death

The Swedish Navy continues a "fucked up" hunt for a suspected Russian submarine off the coast of Stockholm. Meanwhile, the CEO of Total Oil, Christophe de Margerie, dies in a plane crash in Moscow. The hosts discuss the suspicious nature of the crash and de Margerie's opposition to sanctions against Russia, noting his 30-billion-dollar deal with Gazprom.

sweden· russia· submarine· christophe de margerie· total oil

2:49:47 Did you understand anything about that story? No. The thing that I thought was funny, which of course I don't know if it's true but it was reported in...was it Foreign Policy? Swedish Navy continues to stalk the waters off the coast of its capital for a foreign, all but certainly Russian submarine. And the country's military brass on Tuesday sounded an exasperated note to describe the unsuccessful hunt." Notice the word hunt every single time? Yeah we get it Hunt4Red October This is very serious. This is very serious Swerker-Goranson, the military's top military...the country's top military commander told reporters quote I would even go so far to say as that's fucked up What? Is that what he said? Yeah It's fucked up He said a Swede said that this the top military commander said it's fucked up and That comes from

2:50:51 Oh, we have audio or a video of it I guess. So if we can get any of our Swedish... Do we have anyone in Sweden? Yes, we do! We have quite a few. Which i'm surprised. I am surprised and shocked you've not already told us what about this story and if the guy said that then hello what does that mean? What am I supposed to make of that? No but now as you mentioned I'm going to start looking into myself yeah okay The total, the CEO of Total Oil. Okay just briefly on this first of all reports about it being a light aircraft are you kidding? This is the Falcon 50 TriStar three engine beautiful plane I've flown on one beautiful plane makes no sense to kill this guy well yeah sure he said things about we should be able

2:51:49 And of course, we really know absolutely nothing. We know nothing about what happened. I have no audio. Uh, we have no data. We just have nothing. Uh, and so it's a very difficult situation to deal with. So that's why I'm saying this is the time for you guys to get involved in this conversation because if you're going to be doing something like this, you need to do it. You need to be able to make money off of it. The only thing is, it is quite annoying for the rest of... well for the United States certainly and for the pro-sanction people that Total and Gazprom are still have a 29... Well maybe we killed them. Well 30 billion dollar deal together working on fields in Siberia because you know the sanctions are just bullcrap but still it makes no sense

2:52:46 Guy sounded like a hoot by the way. Everyone says this guy was fun Didn't eat a lot of sleep, he was always talking about world affairs and drinking liked to drink and hang out and talk until deep in the night I like these kinds of guys Yeah And he went to see Medvedev But just none of it makes sense Well we'll keep an eye on it in the background Just for everyone to say, shoot at the head! Shoot at the head! Nahh...I don't think so I really don't- I don't see you that don't think so It doesn't make any sense to me Well, my most interesting story and I'm going to finish this maybe my last clips. Okay? This is the women freezing eggs clip which i think is semi disgusting as a story And there's the intro.

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Apple and Facebook Egg Freezing Benefits

Apple and Facebook announce they will cover the cost of egg freezing for female employees. The hosts characterize this as a "sadistic" move by Sheryl Sandberg to keep women working during their most productive years by offering a "false promise" of later motherhood. They cite an author who describes the procedure as painful, inconvenient, and medically invasive.

apple· facebook· egg freezing· sheryl sandberg· career path

2:53:54 Okay, so Apple and Facebook. And the reason of course is to sucker women into doing a lot of work because it looks like they have a career path when in fact if you look at the CEOs and there's plenty of women CEOs from I mean there's plenty and they're all in their late 50s Just like most of the giants. Most CEO, male CEOs? More CEOs than males are a lot of them in the 60s and some in their 70s even and these are the big companies not little company it's got you know start up with a female CEO I mean Sheryl Sandberg is not a CEO for that matter but she runs the place well she really doubt that whatever the case and so they brought on did they talked about this a little bit didn't get into there two people one person to those bunchable credit should be doing this

2:54:37 and the other girl, although it was the one that I thought would be my last clip is just one of these Silicon Valley sounding women that uses the word opportunity too much and then even says awesome. And she is kind of the apologist for this idea because she wrote a book on how she had her eggs frozen, even though who knows why? So she wrote a book on it and she kinda defends us a little bit but it's so weak and she's so terrible to listen to that I thought I'd end with this. And freezing your embryos Sarah Elizabeth Richards, you've written a book about this. You've talked to women about this I understand you even had your own eggs frozen what are the advantages here? Well it's a great opportunity for women the fact that these companies are covering it and the fact that other companies are now being influenced to cover it makes the option available for more women who or maybe who wouldn't have paid for it on their own or didn't have the opportunity to pay for it so they'll have more options in the future to have their own biological children which is awesome

2:55:37 said freeze because she wanted to put more years in her career. So it is uncharted, we don't know how women will make those decisions in terms of planning their family and their work and their love lives and their dating lives." Huh... The other woman says this is one of the most uncomfortable procedures where she has to take some pills to get a bunch of eggs because normally you do not have them coming out fully formed like chicken

2:56:21 And so you have to take some...and then you have to have them removed. She says, extremely painful and inconvenient is just one of the worst things you can do and doesn't see the rationale for it." The original rationale, of course was that she mentioned not working for some company and for me, for companies like Apple and Facebook too, I'd see the hand of Sheryl Sandberg here, for them to promote this idea, I think is borderline sadistic You know, it's sick and offering false promise to women. I don't also understand it's very positive you can have a career and a child if you have a partner It's easier you can share burdens. I mean this is not This has been done before doesn't does not unheard of now And that's very interesting Well the here's the question Now you how old were you when?

CHAPTER 46 / 47 Discussion

Late-Life Parenting and Trend Analysis

The hosts discuss the pros and cons of having children later in life, with John C. Dvorak noting he was in his 40s when his son was born. They debate whether older parents produce smarter children and if late-life parenting hampers one's lifestyle. Dvorak argues that having a younger child helped him stay current with societal trends for his work as a writer.

parenting· age· trend analysis· lifestyle· smart kids

2:57:19 when Jay was born, if you don't mind me asking. Let's see... I didn't think about it well the uh i was pretty old let me put it this way he was in my 40s so um Patricia had Christina when she was 40 she was pregnant to almost 41 and I think there is a difference between and this is just me from my perspective There's a difference between a parent who is closer in age. So, Christina is 24 I'm 50 so I'm twice her age her mom is 65 now and the relationship is different. I don't know if it's good or if it's bad? I think that in the child rearing process my personal experience was...I found that to be somewhat of a negative from her mom side in many things

2:58:17 mainly because of her being from a different perspective of the world and... Well, one of the things they brought up in this discussion was kind of a contradiction. One was women are more equipped to have babies, just their bodies when they're in their late teens and 20's as opposed to when they're 40. Well, of course you have the health argument over 40 years... The counter-argument is that kids born of older parents tend to be smarter There's a bunch of documentation. I have a body of knowledge, what evidence? An ever-increasing body of evidence. Whatever that says this and the kids i knew in high school...I do remember this the oldest parentage was this one kid who was the smartest kid in the school. Okay there's something to that um Do you feel

2:59:17 having a child at an older age detracted from your lifestyle? No, actually what my consideration is that it actually helped me since I'm a writer and somebody who's supposed to be commenting on society of trend analysis. Of course this is ending as Jay gets older but I could keep up with stuff a lot easier Like JC still kind of keeps up and you don't feel that it hampered your life and I want to play boy in Hong Kong. Well, how about how about for Mimi? Does she ever did she complain no She doesn't complain at all How old was she when she had her cheek where Eric is the oldest so she was in her 20s No when she had J

3:00:05 Uh, no. She was like 39. Okay But Eric you know she had kids all along so it wasn't as though she wasn't equipped to for it And do you feel that if you don't mind me asking Do-do you feel that um You've produced a child who is going into uh A world where she has No chance of becoming anything because its fucked? Ha ha! No That's dumb I mean that is just dumb If you were my age right now Would you... if you had the opportunity, would you have a kid? I'd go to Hong Kong and be a playboy. That's what i'm thinking! Thank you very much And with that ladies and gentlemen we have come to the conclusion of our show Yes I do want to play my Jacob Applebaum clip Please He was interviewed for On The Media which is... On The Media is pretty good show It has its moments but it also kind of you know a tool

CHAPTER 47 / 47 Discussion

Jacob Appelbaum Naked Sauna Interview and Outro

The show concludes with an anecdote about WikiLeaks activist Jacob Appelbaum demanding a naked sauna interview to ensure his interviewer wasn't wearing a wire. The hosts play the "Iowa vs Ottawa" gaffe one last time and sign off, reminding listeners of the upcoming Sunday show and the "value for value" support model.

jacob appelbaum· wikileaks· sauna· surveillance· iowa

3:01:02 Oh, yeah. But he did not just submit to an interview he had uh what would you call it? He had some demands which I found to be in context of Jacob Applebaum very interesting. Jacob Applebaum the hacktivist from wikiLeaks only wanted you to talk to him in a sauna naked He said he wanted to take a sauna and that's where he wanted to be interviewed. But later it occurred to me, hmm clever that was one way of being sure I didn't have a concealed surveillance device on me." He was interviewing him!

3:01:45 What would the guy jump to the conclusion about a concealed surveillance device? He's recording him. Yes, he was interviewing him! Well what you needed was that he'd have a second read and be carrying a wire It was just Jacob Alba-bama's weirdo Yeah that would be my guess. He's a weirdo Just a weirdo Oh well fall for it as you will Another possible clip of the day But no Well, thanks to the witch for at least getting me up and running. I'm out of steam now The stand desk is down to sitting position. I have my elbows on the desk! I'm barely getting through this... Well you sound like a pro. Well, the show must go on. It's astonishing to me. Well i can do this it's what I do. It's all that I do and the only reason I can do it because people support this program And I appreciate it Yes well you should we do appreciate your support

3:02:40 Dvorak.org slash na is where you can show your support anything helps it really does make all the difference in the world and we'll be doing it again for you Sunday who knows what will run into but clearly this Iowa thing as a Play that as an end of show clip what I'm more on Good chatting as always John and Yes Barely surviving Ebola here in FEMA region 6 In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, I am John C. Dvorak We will be back on Sunday meet me here right here on no agenda Chloe let me go to you first what's the latest tonight in Iowa? and you can always follow me on Twitter at The Best Podcast in the Universe Dvorak dot org slash N A