Episode 651 · Thursday, 11 September 2014

Plague Grenade

Silicon Valley branding shifts and military maneuvers in the Middle East collide as the hosts deconstruct the optics of modern statecraft and consumer technology.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 651

About this episode

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak dissect the strategic rebranding of the Apple Watch and the mass hysteria surrounding its launch. As Tim Cook and Phil Schiller move away from the legacy i-branding to secure trademark control, the media obsession with taptic feedback and tethered wearables reveals a growing societal tech-addiction. Curry recounts his recent travel through Schiphol and JFK, exposing the inconsistencies of Global Entry facial recognition and the hollow theater of airport security pat-downs.

President Obama’s primetime address on ISIL serves as a catalyst for a broader look at the military-industrial complex and the revolving door between the White House and CNN. While Jay Carney transitions from press secretary to network analyst, the administration faces scrutiny over the FTO Passport Revocation Act and the use of Toyota technicals by militants. The report on flight MH17 confirms high-velocity projectile damage, yet media outlets like De Telegraaf continue to push narratives ahead of forensic evidence. Meanwhile, the IRS admits to a flexible interpretation of the law regarding healthcare subsidies as local police departments across America stock up on thousands of military-grade bayonets.

In a moment of linguistic analysis, the hosts explore James Pennebaker’s research on function words and how the frequency of the word I reveals social status. The episode concludes with a skeptical look at the Ebola outbreak in Sierra Leone, questioning if the medical crisis serves as a humanitarian front for securing West African oil resources against Chinese competition. Sir Idiot of Atlas McDowell is knighted for his contributions to the Value for Value model.


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CHAPTER 01 / 62 Discussion

ISIL Border Threats, Host Illness and Travel

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the show discussing potential ISIL threats near the Texas border and Silicon Valley. Curry describes returning from a trip with a high fever and chills, suspecting he caught a virus during his flights. The hosts joke about garbage men being undercover ISIL agents.

isil· fema region 6· austin· silicon valley· illness· travel bug

00:00 Bayonets $1. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Thursday September 11th 2014 time for your Gidmo Nation media assassination episode 651 This is no agenda Back at home base in Austin, Texas preparing for ISIL to cross the border into FEMA Region 6. In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where it's garbage day and ISIL is already here i am John C. Dvorak In fact, I believe the garbage men are ISIL. Yes They are they're merely posing as a sanitation engineers. Yes. Well, they're out there now taking cans Yeah Very good

00:45 Jean-claude I'm back. It's all it's all automated to you know they get these big trucks They grab the thing and throw it in a big punch a big pinch or the olden days it was different You're back, and I am back And I had a nice journey back my man This is what we want one here as I understand and you can begin okay first I need to let you know that I picked up some kind of bug on one of the flights and...I am ill. Actually, I'm okay now but I went to bed at 930 last night with a high fever. Just all of it came over me just and my body started ache and I had chills And then I woke up around 6 again with the just shivering

CHAPTER 02 / 62 Discussion

Airline Loyalty Programs, KLM Downgrades and Cuban Cigars

Curry recounts his experience with KLM's loyalty program, noting he has been downgraded from gold to a lower tier he jokingly calls the "aluminum" level. He describes the difficulty of maintaining status and the high cost of extra luggage. Additionally, he mentions successfully bringing a box of Cohiba cigars from Cuba through customs.

klm· airline status· first class· silver status· cohiba· cuban cigars

01:36 You must have caught something on the plane. Yeah, some douche. Germs walk around in that recycled air and they say hey look at this douche bag he looks tired Let's jump on him I think i'll be okay though. All right, so leaving now this is Usually there's enough room in first class that you don't have so much of a problem First, well sorry what? Did you say first class? You weren't even first-class No! no But I didn't even KLM has downgraded me because then i'm fly enough I used to have gold then it was silver It would upgrade you Oh This is your miles and now I am... What is that they have a really horrible

02:21 level. It's... Oh yeah, all these airlines have done that they lure you in with their promises and then when you get to the sorry we raised it. How can you raise it on me? No just read the terms of service. We're gonna raise whenever we feel like I'm trying to think what was the chat room may know what was their lowest level is douchebag no well that is that it is the equivalent of a douchebag but it has Oh man, I'm... King. I should have written it down No it's not silver It's below silver It's like... Tin! No it's... Lead Forget about it Look it up on the website people no it's not silver it's not aluminium Aluminium? I'm on the aluminium level of KLH Someone would just go to the website and look it up instead of everyone guessing Anyway, go on with your story

03:16 So I had to pay for my extra suitcase because i had to take all the stuff back, all of my presents. You know, buy a second suitcase and I've even snuck the Cuban cigars in which it was given to me. Yeah ivory there you go ivory did you take that little rings off just in case? No, I just left it in the box Oh really? Box with a box of this stamp and yeah It says Cohiba from Cuba right on the box. Ooh, the Cohiba somebody gave you those. Yeah my buddy Wow That's an expensive gift is it is like $20 each. I know it's very nice gift

CHAPTER 03 / 62 Discussion

Schiphol Airport Security, Opt-Out Procedures and Security Theater

Curry details his experience navigating security at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam, where he requested a manual opt-out from the body scanners. He describes a brief confrontation with a security officer before being allowed to bypass the magnetometer entirely for a pat-down. The hosts criticize the "security theater" of airport protocols, noting that his bag full of electronics was barely scrutinized.

schiphol airport· amsterdam· security theater· magnetometer· opt-out· radiation

03:54 Okay, so going through people Airport first of all I love when you just arrive at the airport and you look at your Wi-Fi device seeing as. I don't have a smartphone and You just see the in a Secret network pop up it just makes me feel super good Hey secret yeah, these feel like because it automatically reconnects Yeah, he's a haven't been there for a year and a pooping there. It is all working beautiful And so they had to slave scanners, and the way it works at Schiphol Airport is you go through security at the gate. And I'm like, of course global... my trusted global entry, trusted traveler there's nothing outside of the United States but I said hey can i have an opt-out? It was interesting because the guy—I said in English

04:46 No, I think i said it in Dutch. Mag ik een opt-out? So it was half dutch half english and he really got in my face oh there's a pas, hey dat pas which means can I pass can I take a pass on going through so I'm sorry man I didn't know the word for it I'm American and he immediately apologized but he was really irked for a moment And uh and he said you know why can I ask you why I said yeah I don't like the machine is because of radiation no I just don't like the machine I don't like it I want to go through And he said, okay. So I passed now you don't even go through the magnetometer! Okay... He gives you a bunch of grief and then just says- then he just buckles? Yes and then you walk right past the magneto- not through right passed it Why don't they put you through the magnetometer?! This is the security theater that is everywhere so and I get a pat down and now people- This how the crotch bomber got on board. And he didn't touch my crotch. I would have remembered

05:41 In fact, I said oh this is my free massage and he was like yeah. And after it was done he said did you like it? I said yeah! He said you can tip me so the guy had humor. They did not ask about my microphone at all the entire big bag full of wires and transmitters and antennas and electronics but I did have to turn on all of my devices. I had to show that...I've two laptops that showed they turned on Yeah, that's a new thing. Taxi harkens back to the early days! Yes I recall that... And by the way how many laptops have ever exploded? Please stupid So i was flying back via JFK where I would land first and then get on the uh it's that's a douchebag airport well this what I have to say America is a great country as long as you're rich As long as you have 140 bucks let me tell you about the global entry experience

CHAPTER 04 / 62 Discussion

Global Entry Experience, Facial Recognition and JFK Customs

Curry describes the efficiency of the Global Entry system at JFK Airport, highlighting the use of kiosks and biometric data. He notes that the facial recognition camera only captured his chin, yet he was still approved and allowed to bypass the standard customs lines. The hosts express skepticism about the actual security effectiveness of the database checks performed at these kiosks.

global entry· jfk airport· customs and border protection· facial recognition· fingerprints

06:34 This was hilarious. So you walk out and then there's three lanes down to customs one is visitors The second one is US citizens, and then there's a third one which says global entry diplomats since in VIPs And You just zip down this like your passing boom that's right by everybody down at the bottom turn left and there's five kiosks I Walk up put my passport in And it immediately says, boop-boop. It has sounds and like pretty like boop-boop-boop-boop! And then you...and it says okay, you have to answer these questions which is your customs questions and there's a button say no to all this is the know you bring in fruits plants Say No To All? Yeah! You get bings! Oh all are selected then it says okay I need your fingerprints if there's one of those red glass plexiglass thingies yeah so I put my four fingers on it

07:31 I'm telling you, but i'm looking at it and the graphics are...I should have recorded this on video. The graphics went fast were really cool. You see it's like a minority report you see all of a sudden It's little squares around my fingers and then the left one it says no finger present Like dude, this is my...my finger's present its on here And then in the split second, it took my picture but I'm you know six foot four and I didn't crouch down or anything. And I didn't position myself in front of the camera so got my chin that was the facial recognition I guess and he got by chin and it prints out a receipt and says you're good to go! It just shot a picture of your chin? And you were good to go if you... Go to my Twitter stream. I should have put this on a separate URL sorry go to twitter.com slash Adam Curry

08:26 And I posted a picture of it. How did you get a copy of it? No, I took a picture! I took a picture right there... Of your own- of your picture Yeah if you go down... yeah its right under me and Mickey and Me Kissing Oh Mickey and Me- You're posting pictures of you kissing Yes Well she posted it and I retweeted it. Course. You retweeted it? Okay So I just want you to see this receipt that I received Are you there yet? I'm trying to get it. Yeah, it's not that easy because the microphone is in the way of the keyboard. Oh my oh wow It's a very difficult situation You need a different line now at no agenda stream all which reminds me down down down go down just don't begin sidetracked Well, I want to get side trackers. I need to retweet

09:16 Oh yeah. There's a picture of the two of you kissing, that's sweet! Right below. Hell yeah! Ho ho ho there is a spinning heart I don't know where he got that Click on the picture of my receipt underneath it The revolving heart showed this receipt at RECIOCAM clicking on it And the tweet says global entry test completed It's more than your chin. It's got your nose and mouth please I can see the thing figuring it out John this is an empty box I don't even... it didn't check my fingerprints against the database in a nanosecond. No way! This is bull. It seems highly unlikely. And so this is a two-minute process and... That's fantastic! Wait, it gets better! This is like a commercial for them we should be charging them money to be doing this report

10:08 I think dozens of people will now pay the $140. So then, and then I walk towards the baggage claim... so right now in parallel to all of the Customs Border Patrol officers' little kiosks there's a dude to the left kind of slouched against the wall and he... but I didn't even show him the ticket! The receipt He went, uh... And that was it. And then I'm in baggage claim! That was it? You were in baggage claim?! Did you take this, what happened to this receipt? Well, you hand it off when you leave the airport but you give it to the guy who asks if you have anything to declare again and then you're out So you never go to one of the boxes where there's a guy sitting No no, you walk straight past that Nobody ever stamps your passport? No...no Well I've an American Passport but I don't think they stamp it anyway Yeah they used too

CHAPTER 05 / 62 Discussion

TSA PreCheck Inconsistencies, Database Disconnection and Panama Plans

The discussion shifts to the lack of coordination between airline boarding passes and TSA PreCheck status for international transfers. Curry mentions that his partner, Micky, was approved for Global Entry despite having a "flag" on her record, suggesting the databases are not properly linked. They also briefly discuss a future trip to Panama to visit indigenous tribes.

tsa precheck· global entry· panama· indigenous tribes· database

11:08 And that was it good to go And of course I had to transfer. Um, and this was interesting. Oh the transfer? So because my tickets were printed... My boarding pass was printed in Amsterdam it didn't have a pre-check on it but I figured I would just use my global entry card which is a trusted traveler Right so the transfer security which you don't barely come in contact with the outside world but okay I know, they make you go through everything again even though you never really leave anything. You're still in the confines of the secure area. Right and there was one magnetometer with two x-ray machines left and right. X-ray machines? I thought they took those out... No for your bags, your bag x-ray machine. Oh yeah okay Not body no this is a magnetometer in the middle And then the guy says pre check! Precheck! So yeah I'm gonna precheck which belt do it doesn't matter

12:09 Okay, so I put my stuff on and then I walk up to him. He's on the other side of the magnetometer he says, no you don't have pre-check. This is my trusted... You do not have a pre check! Okay? He said take off your shoes and that was it. The only difference was that I had to take off my shoes and then go through again It's completely idiotic. And I cannot wait until Miss Mickey comes back and sails through this as well, which we know will prove that there is absolutely no correlation on the backend between these databases because she has this flag which no one has spoken about throughout this entire process—she was approved immediately—so...I don't know what…I think it's just an empty box John! It's completely disassociated from anything else

12:55 Huh. And it's fantastic! Sounds great! Besides that I'm in another database, other than that... It's really-I'm really enjoying it. I like this picture of you, it's ludicrous. Yeah looks like him The fingerprint scanner was the- I need to record this on video next time. I think our next trip will be to Panama in November You in Panama yeah, we can we're gonna do Panama hey come on man find some place for us some some good Fiber optics and park yourselves there. Yeah, but we're also going to go visit Indigenous tribes they don't usually have good internet an indigenous tribe They tend to eat you yeah exactly We're going these two look like a month's worth of food

CHAPTER 06 / 62 Discussion

Apple Keynote Branding, Rebranding to Apple Watch

Dvorak references his recent PC Magazine column regarding the Apple keynote event. The hosts discuss Apple's strategic shift away from the "i" branding (e.g., iPhone, iPad) toward using the Apple logo and name directly, as seen with the Apple Watch. They argue this move helps protect the brand from trademark squatters.

apple watch· tim cook· rebranding· pc magazine· trademark

13:53 Oh boy. Okay, yeah I'm really worried about the negative feedback i'm going to get from that comment from all our Panamanian knights We have listeners in Panama One...I think it's an expat Yeah So it doesn't count I was thinking before we get into some of the obvious things There was a lot of Of course The tech industry went nuts about the Apple keynote and the Apple watch But I have not seen a single critical evaluation of the presentation itself and the number of things which, I found to be very surprising. Which no one has said anything about. Really? You didn't read my column in PC Magazine? Oh No! I'm sorry...no i haven't read it. Well thanks alot! I don't know you have a whole thesis and then you just...eh screw Dvorak

14:45 I'm sorry. I'm not going to read his... obviously he's gonna write a column about this! Well, tell me what did you write? Just give me your idea. I can't remember for one minute to the next. I write the column and then on to the next. Okay But it was about what you're gonna talk about i'm absolutely convinced of it well i found the rebranding of eye to apple that is exactly i talked about that too but what do you think i mean i think this is very dangerous no i think it was a very smart move and i said so i think it's hard people are not picking up on It's just started. It's going to take a couple of years to move people over. Why would they do this? Here is what I talked about if you read the column... I didn't read it! We get it, we're rubbing in. You don't even read my emails let alone a column that I would write. Well there's that

15:31 The point is that Apple can't deal with this I, this, I, that. Because they get these douchebags out there and they go register these names... They copyright stuff it's a disaster! And then they can also deal with Apple Watch and by the way i said it should be called the A-Watch and when they bring their garden tools out they could have the A-Hose. So, okay. So they want... so the use of the Apple logo- That is challenging! I found it on The Max. It's a little bit like Prince but at the same time there is no way anybody is going to steal this name because the logo obviously means Apple. So its Apple Watch. Its gonna be Apple phone. They're gonna... you are with me. Yeah, yeah, I agree. So you were the only one?

CHAPTER 07 / 62 Discussion

Apple Presentation Critique, Tim Cook and Fashion Choices

The hosts critique the performances of Apple executives during the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch launch. They describe Tim Cook's stage presence as improved but mock Phil Schiller for being boring and Eddie Cue for his "wrinkled pink shirt." They argue that Silicon Valley executives need professional stylists for major public events.

tim cook· phil schiller· eddie cue· apple pay· silicon valley fashion

16:19 immediately. I'm like, wow okay and there's option shift K on the Mac you get the little Apple logo would have it of course of course just a few things about this was the first presentation that was big one without jobs and all of this um i thought Tim Tom Collins whatever his name is i thought his performance was strong it was better than usual i don't know about the waving like he's the like he's the queen of Silicon Valley that was a little much And I love how they position the iPhone as the best phone of all, just the best phone on the planet in the universe. Yeah not a single time was the word smartphone used... I thought that was very... There's no reason to. No Phil Schiller he has to up his game. He was boring

17:05 My god, he was boring. I don't remember him because i think it fell asleep Well he presented the iPhone 6s and iOS 8 And he's just boring you know? And then they brought on some gamer dudes how stupid was this What about the guy who comes out with a shirt The wrinkled pink shirt and open collar and he's like up chains He looked like a mobster Did I miss that? Was that at the very end No, It was right in the middle Some mobster guy comes out. Hey Well, Eddie Q who used to be the iTunes guy is is now he was doing the presentation of Apple pay Yeah, I think that was him eddie q well it comes out with a wrinkled shirt The wrinkles are tucked in and then some say no you can't have a tucked-in shirt You're in Silicon Valley dude And so they please pulls the shirt out So it's all wrinkled at the bottom like a shirt that was tucked in yes, and it was pink

17:57 It was pink. This is wrong! No, no these people need stylists they need somebody to come in I mean this is dumb and then it's just like Microsoft and this new guy he wears the stupidest stuff And then a four minute standing ovation for the Apple watch video People What do you think? Well, that's at this point. If we're doing tech news right away we might as well go on with... I mean, we're just two guys but if we actually paid much attention to the mainstream media we'd get reports like this one on Fox News on The Five where they not only discussed some of this stuff but they managed to point out in a way that i've been recommending that Samsung stinks obviously their not advertising

CHAPTER 08 / 62 Discussion

Media Obsession, Apple Watch Requirements and Wearables

A Fox News clip featuring Kimberly Guilfoyle highlights the mainstream media's obsession with Apple products. The hosts criticize the requirement that the Apple Watch must be paired with an iPhone 6 to function. They compare this to the failed Blackberry PlayBook, which similarly required a tethered phone.

fox news· apple watch· iphone 6· wearables· blackberry

18:55 That was the legendary U2 helping Apple celebrate the launch. Yeah, and enough with the U2 already! Hello Tom Collins Tim Collins Cook It's 2014 there are hipper bands of the iPhone 6 today and also the Apple watch out in Cupertino, California The company unveiled two new phones the six with a four point seven inch screen and the six plus With a five point five it also designed a new wearable device called the Apple watch that can supposedly do all kinds of cool things Why are we so obsessed with Apple? Why don't you want to know when everything is coming out apple

19:33 Apples are fun and tasty and good devices. I love it! I mean, I'm a big convert to Apple. I even recently just tried the Samsung thing but I've never now... I don't know why people still camp out at the store? There's no reason to camp out. I think it's so good. It's user-friendly you've got your little iPads You got your iPhone. You've got your iMac. It's just all one group of family. I already have the Apple Watch if we get a shot of this Really is that true? Look at it How did you get that? That's great Noooo, that's a rubber band There you go, that is tech news people. It was at this point that I realized how horrible this is really going to be from this point on because the masses are so mind-controlled they are going willingly

20:23 into this wearables thing. And I have to say, I think it will be successful and of course you have to have the iPhone 6s all makes total sense that they're doing this. It's like a joke now here let me ask you this rhetorical question when i think it was Ram or one of these operations had Blackberry guys they brought out a tablet that required to actually use the tablet, you had to have a BlackBerry phone. It was all big stick, all the tech... How can you make them buy this and then they have to have that? That's ridiculous! Now we've got this stupid watch and you have to have an iPhone 6 to use the watch. The watch does not work without the iPhone 6 on you.

CHAPTER 09 / 62 Discussion

Smartphone Addiction, Gender Observations and Social Sickness

Curry observes travelers at the airport, noting a specific pattern of smartphone use among women involving constant Facebook scrolling and zooming in on photos. He characterizes this behavior as a "sickness" or "illness" of the modern era. The hosts predict that future wearables will eventually monitor blood alcohol levels and prevent users from starting their cars.

smartphone addiction· facebook· social media· tesla· blood alcohol level

21:13 Exactly. But nobody says, oh that's a great idea! Wooo! Only Apple would be such a genius to think of such a thing It's unbelievable. I know, but it... Unbelievable! John, I'm telling you this is a sickness. It is a sickness. Sickness? No, it is a sickness. People are so ... and this has been building for a long time and that ... This ... It is a sickness one to the ... You know, you keep saying that all the time about all of this stuff. Let me tell ya. And it cracks me up because I think you're right. When I was traveling because I don't have a smartphone, I was observing I'm not going to play pay boingo, boingo whatever there. Five bucks for 30 minutes? Blow me! I don't need to see my email." So I'm watching and it's women John is primarily women and you sit down...I got my shades on so i'm looking out of the corner of my eye

22:04 And there was one woman, she's in the airport. She's on the phone and she's got her earbuds in. She's on her iPhone 5 and I see that she's talking on the phone while she's talking punches to Facebook. She scrolling, scrolling, scrolling...and here this is what the women do very particular they'll see a picture pop they tap it then they zoom in to look at someone's face. They're zooming in, observing every single person in the picture and they tap it back I think that primarily this is a war, if there's ever a war on women it's the smartphone. And there is something about the video game industry and how much of an impact it has had in terms of what we're doing with our technology. It's not just for us, but for all of humanity. So, you know, I'm going to say one thing, I don't want to be too specific here because

23:02 the female brain that I think it's evolution and we talked a bit about the culture of fashion, then self-image. It is so perfect and for all this to be going on there was not a single woman on the Apple stage! I found that very peculiar. Nice catch Not a single woman. If I could have dropped that in the column it would've been a gem Now they had the product manager of the Apple Watch demo this What? By the way, that was a... These demos they finally got a clue and they stopped doing them. That was so much b- There's no way then where does the watch have a connection to a giant screen I ask you! Yeah And a lot of gay overtones in that in the way he would that was like what? Gay overtones yeah and undertones What? The way this guy was talking things He was saying there was a lot of gayness in his In his presentation

24:02 I'm telling you, but i am extremely worried now that this... This proves it. This proves that the illness is here, the illness is real Everyone will go for this ugly ass watch and the 349, the 349 is that's where the cheap jack, you know, that's the cheap jabroni version of plastic band. You're going to have the rich kids of Instagram and all these douchebags will have the big 18 carat, you know, wikiwaki thousands of dollars that it's it is. And they're going to love it. The NL before you know it I can predict right now these same douchebags will get into their Tesla

24:43 And it will not start because the Apple Watch has noticed their blood alcohol level is too high. Well, that's the end game yes and has communicated this on the other hand it will also order a Google car for you so you don't have to drive at all but this is yeah well that's the good side but no none of this is good. It does all the work for you don't have to think none of this is just spend more time on Facebook Sick sickness. I tell so I'm listening to this Fox report by the way it goes on and on yeah, and And Gilfoyle which is the leggy? Ex that woman at the beginning of that clip that we played you have to remember when she's giddy And she's acting like an idiot She's talking about can't use the Samsung and all the rest of it You have to listen to her voice with it in mind I'd almost recommend playing the beginning of that again with it in mind that she was a district attorney of San Francisco Let's listen

CHAPTER 10 / 62 Discussion

Kimberly Guilfoyle Critique, Defining the Tech Illness

The hosts revisit the Fox News clip to mock Kimberly Guilfoyle's enthusiastic reaction to "taptic feedback" on the Apple Watch. They resolve to coin a specific medical term for the mass hysteria and addiction surrounding new consumer technology releases.

kimberly guilfoyle· fox news· taptic feedback· tech addiction

25:37 That was the legendary U2 helping Apple celebrate the launch of the iPhone 6 today and also the Apple Watch out in Cupertino, California. The company unveiled two new phones—the 6 with a 4.7-inch screen and the 6 Plus with 5.5. It also designed a new wearable device called the Apple Watch that can supposedly do all kinds of cool things. So, Kimberly why are we so upset? Kimberly Guilfoyle is that who it is? Yes! That's with Apple Why do you want to know when everything is coming out? Apples are fun She is sick John she has the sickness yes I think you're right

26:15 We need to coin a phrase. Good devices and now it can vibrate on my arm with taptic feedback We need to coin this illness. I love it! I'm a big convert to Apple, even recently just tried the Samsung thing but never now... People still camp out at the store there's no reason to camp out. I think it's so good its user-friendly you've got your little iPads and your iPhone And she is also talking complete baloney. Complete senseless

26:54 This totally sends me exactly that's the word we sense less. We need to coin this illness we need to give it a name Yeah, yeah actually that would be great. Yeah, let's work on that over the next few weeks You're right I think they're great if we can name this and we could then we could mock people easier Once you can name the disease it's easier to mock people Yes, indeed it is. Well, but everybody was at the event and that was being streamed in the stream of course my column is really about how Apple How can you trust a company? I can't even stream And he and the funny thing is the streaming part Was only available to certain people that had a Macintosh if this there was not a worldwide stream No, yeah, that's a man out everybody right you know if you had a Windows machine You could not get to stream. They were just um I think if you use Safari you can you know nope nope nope

CHAPTER 11 / 62 Discussion

Apple Streaming Failures, Safari Exclusivity

Dvorak points out that Apple's keynote stream was restricted to Safari users on Mac or iOS, excluding Windows users. Curry reflects on how peaceful his travel was without access to the tech news cycle, reinforcing his view that social media and smartphone use have become a Pavlovian "horror."

apple stream· safari· windows· tech news· pavlovian response

27:46 Okay, no well I I did if you were on the Apple site it says very specifically the operating system on a Macintosh or this operating system on a Macintosh and I had Safari and I used the Used it and I on the bonnet PC. I couldn't get I had to use America It was really wonderful to land in New York And I think I landed around 330 then then transited to the to my flight which only left in that hour-and-a-half later And because I didn't have any Wi-Fi, I did not get any news of the products or the launch of anything. You know what? My world was just fine! Everything was great and I didn't feel bad that I had missed it but I didn't feel anything...I so don't care. I'm going to shut up about it but this is an illness and I don't even think people who make this stuff really know how exploitive they can be

28:42 They're just figuring it out. Yeah, and they're doing very well for themselves and particularly for women We need to we need to protect our women Well nobody's protecting him from this bull crap horror It really is horror. I agree it's... And Facebook is also in the same league They go together, together they are really the... It's Pavlovian but its self-image Well that why the Facebook on a smartphone is the world worst combination Yeah You spotted this right away Oh yeah We need to come up with a name we will come up with a name for this

CHAPTER 12 / 62 Discussion

Airline Overbooking, Delta Economy Comfort Upgrades

Curry shares an anecdote about a Delta flight where the booking system showed the plane was full, yet many "Economy Comfort" seats remained empty. He describes a confusing interaction with flight attendants who offered him an upgrade but lacked the administrative tools to actually charge him for it.

delta airlines· economy comfort· flight upgrades· airline bureaucracy

29:21 Okay, I think that's it for tech news and I guess no more tech news for a while because there's no phones coming out Wait a minute. I think they had some other tech new know Right since we're gonna do technism. I love finish this 11% on here Oh yeah, there is. We need to talk... Well we could let's get you through New York first and so we get the end of that story then we do we have to discuss a little bit about the internet slowdown Yes well I'll just finish up Get on the plane then when i booked this ticket um I wanted to get economy comfort for the legroom Then the whole plane was full

30:07 I couldn't get it. Yeah, you know this is another problem...I'm actually surprised it took so long for them to do this but once they got the computer scheduling down and all the rest of it they can pack all the planes now. But then I get on the plane and its half full there are tons of seats open in economy comfort in the row 16 or whatever. And then the stewardess, I'm sorry cabin attendant says if you'd like to upgrade to economy comfort just tell us and we'll upgrade right here. Wait hold on a second...I've never heard this before! I've never heard this before and this is Delta so walk up to the front say hey I want

30:53 And, you know it was like 60 bucks or whatever. And she said okay well this guy here can do it and he was a ground staff and then one other woman went yeah no I'm on time departure we can't do this I'm not gonna wait for him blahblahblah And then the other cabinet, and the one I originally spoke to, but why don't you choose your seat? We'll come and charge you later. Never happened." Perfect! This is the way to go because... Yeah this is a typical bureaucracy they can get their act together They had no idea how did they didn't know they had no forms. They don't know how to charge me but she said it like was well that means just in play It's definitely in play yes

CHAPTER 13 / 62 Discussion

Internet Slowdown Day, Net Neutrality Activism

The hosts discuss "Internet Slowdown Day," a protest organized by groups like Fight for the Future and the EFF to support net neutrality. Curry reads an email from activists urging users to contact Congress. He expresses skepticism about the funding and true motives behind these organizations.

net neutrality· internet slowdown· fight for the future· eff· fcc

31:29 It's in play, but they just don't have the mechanisms not working because of douchebags like that. Obviously that rush, rush, rush girl because they always get...they care about their numbers you know? You got to get that thing to leave the gate within a minute or less. Well then there is some validity to it. Well yeah. The uh yesterday which I think is probably the worst timing for any kind of promotional activity between the, uh, an Apple event and a terrorist event. Right? Yeah. Today 9 11. Congratulations. Hey congratulations. Happy nine 11 John happy nine 11 Adam when are we going to stop doing how long did we celebrate Pearl Harbor day because we don't do a ceremony at war for awhile it was a long it was a little different okay It wasn't everything wasn't bogus

32:23 So I kept receiving emails from the slow down the internet people. Which I find interesting that the slowdown of the internet people were all political, they're all left wing... very liberal or progressives. Progressives mostly. Democracy Now was all over this, they did segment after segment about how important this was. Let me just read one of these emails because this is kind of what got me going

33:00 Today's a hate dear battle for the net supporters. This is from fightforthefuture.org battles for the nets we've, um, we've traced back their financing goes three levels deep into very rich pockets of family foundations which we can't track really where that's coming from today is the day and take action now to save net neutrality today as the day you can cruise around the internet and see so many Emphasis, so many sites. Some of the biggest sites in the world doing amazing creative things to protect net neutrality and the internet we love!

33:36 Will you sign our letter to Congress and the FCC, make a few phone calls yourself? Click here. Check out Netflix, Vimeo, Upworthy and your Tumblr account for starters! The list is too long to fit here! Our stats show over 9000 sites running one of the internet slowdown widgets right now... The important thing is it's working thanks to people's generous donations- How does it work?! What did it accomplish!? Thanks to people's generous donations that's how they measure their working. Oh okay. Our servers are holding up And we're connected and we've connected over 40,000 phone calls to Congress in the White House just this morning. That's not even counting other sites like Tumblr and most of all spread the word it's not too late to participate! So this is very disturbing EFF on their homepage also have this bull crap slow down the net... I believe that these fight for the future outfit

CHAPTER 14 / 62 Discussion

Common Carrier Regulation, Comcast and FCC Influence

The discussion focuses on the push to classify the internet as a common carrier under Title II. The hosts argue that this move actually benefits large incumbents like Comcast and Time Warner by creating a regulated utility environment that stifles smaller competitors and municipal broadband projects.

comcast· time warner· common carrier· section 706· utility

34:34 that they are most likely financed by Comcast Time Warner because they, you know, they are giving effectively...they're giving Comcast Time Warner what they want. By trying to get net neutrality in Section 706 Turn into a common carrier interpreted in a certain way so that the internet become becomes a common carrier Yes, yes and and you know is P's become the common carrier. So and I think that only behooves Comcast etc and time warner I think it does too. I think if other people that blocks everyone out of the debate Yeah No one wants to sign phone companies no one wants to become a once to compete to become a commodity utility who wants that your margins eventually get

35:26 set in stones. And the other thing you always have to remember that the FCC is dominated by industry and what happens is Comcast dominates the FCC and they make rules that benefit them, that would include this stuff they've already been doing on the side in many states where it prohibits municipalities from setting up their own internet services in areas that are underserved by Comcast and AT&T and the rest of them. Those have been prohibited in 20 states with- Which is an outrage, I think, an outrage! It's not only an outrage but it's expensive for them to do a state-by-state when they could do it nationally So you run the FCC, you don't have to spend all that money. You have to do state by state to screw anyone who wants to compete with you which is what they've been doing but now that it's government and is centrally located now it's all done by EDIC at the FCC level. Ha! Think of the money you saved." So let me read EFF statement and I'm so disappointed these are lawyers they should know what is going to happen which we'll get to in a moment

CHAPTER 15 / 62 Discussion

Unlawful vs Illegal Content, Internet Censorship Risks

Curry highlights a specific phrase in proposed net neutrality rules: the prohibition of blocking "lawful" content. Using Black's Law Dictionary, he distinguishes between "illegal" (forbidden by law) and "unlawful" (not authorized by law). He warns that this terminology could allow the government to regulate "hate speech" or "bullying" as "unlawful" traffic.

net neutrality· unlawful content· hate speech· black's law dictionary· censorship

36:30 from their page with their slowdown. You know, the net neutrality conversation is breaking new ground when even the porn sites are weighing in and that's just what we're seeing major adult platforms Pornhub and RedTube are joining an online protest calling for stronger protections for net neutrality. It'll serve them right when they're out of business So, I got a lot of feedback on the question what is the difference between illegal and unlawful? And then I need to preface this by saying that in every version of the rules that are proposed and also in the version of the rules which is almost identical but were proposed by the mayors of America whatever that association is called we'd also

37:14 dissected that document on the show. There is continuous talk and I think i might even have let me just see, I think I have the... I thought I had a version of the text but it doesn't really matter if you just pull this up, I'll have a link in the show notes It continuously states throughout the document And so they have the all packets will be created equal bullcrap can't even happen doesn't matter. But here's the here's the worrisome thing and people you must listen to this, this is this is the beginning of the end if this gets through where ISPs

37:59 are forbidden from slowing down or blocking any lawful content or lawful network traffic. Very important to understand that the network traffic doesn't even have to do with the content, this can be just determined that oh I don't know certain types of packets just are will be considered or certain types of protocols may be deemed unlawful. And what is the difference between illegal and unlawful? I have a number of explanations, and i really like this one so Black's Law Dictionary defines unlawful... excuse me flu

38:47 Unlawful... Yeah, I do. Unlawful is not authorized by law. Illegal is forbidden by law. So semantically there's a slight difference than I had to have the here some examples jaywalking is an unlawful act because traffic regulations do not typically say you can't walk diagonally through intersection so it's not illegal that is unlawful Traffic regulations typically provide you can cross within the crosswalk, etc. Selling cocaine is illegal! That's an actual offense. So it is very similar to if you get on a train somewhere and then says, It is unlawful to eat or play music in this train." You can get into real trouble but its not illegal in the universe to eat even on a train really

39:39 So, this will give...by specifically using the word unlawful instead of illegal we'll be able to ban hate speech which of course is a complete violation of almost any constitution in the world but certainly the United States Constitution. You can ban bullying So if you're, bullying would be seen as unlawful. There are some places where it certainly is not specifically allowed and this is what will happen... And no one is covering this angle of it that I know of! I've not heard a single EFF... An organization of lawyers are not parsing what this will mean? I don't understand. It must be part of the iPhone Facebook sickness

CHAPTER 16 / 62 Discussion

Mass Hysteria, Global Warming and DNA Conditioning

The hosts compare the current tech obsession to other historical instances of mass hysteria, such as the 1970s "population explosion" fears and modern global warming debates. They suggest that human DNA and decades of social conditioning make the public susceptible to lockstep acceptance of certain narratives.

global warming· population control· mass hysteria· conditioning

40:34 How can people not see that this will regulate the actual content and even protocol, possibly of network traffic on the internet? And how can they say that's okay just because they want someone to have a better cooler service than Netflix. Are you kidding?! It is disturbing! That's weird but you know the sickness thing is interesting because... Thank You The sickness thing is interesting it's just not at this level. It is, I mean it's all over the place with this lockstep acceptance of anything that global warming is a really good example of this and you have these two sides in an argument one says the oceans are going to be very similar. You're right they're very similar. They're gonna be ten feet and it all stems from

41:26 Oddly enough, it began maybe in the 70s as they started training people. But for some reason with the new technologies and maybe the acceptance of these technologies you may actually be determining that the technologies are creating the sickness, but the sickness may have been there and that's what made the technology so acceptable. I mean, that's a possibility. It's human...I think it's human DNA and conditioning of our brain over decades. Well, let's go back to the 70s. Earlier, earlier! Maddening control. But let's go to the 70s population control. Everybody was all in

CHAPTER 17 / 62 Discussion

Democracy Now Coverage, Spinning Wheel of Death

A clip from Democracy Now features activists discussing the "spinning wheel of death" icons used during the net neutrality protest. The hosts criticize the shift in messaging from "fast lanes" to "slowing down the internet," calling it a more effective but manipulative way to frame the debate for the public.

democracy now· net neutrality· spinning wheel of death· netflix

42:04 All in on population control at this point that we're gonna all die by the year 2000 because of population problems explosion Population explosion I play let's play the clip from this is from democracy now And this is their there a lame take on the internet speed up situation Or Internet slowdown. I'm sorry hmm, okay? without discrimination and today is a culmination of, of a lot of that effort. How many organizations or websites do you have participating in today's? Who was asking the questions that's not Amy No that said strange dead-eyed looking Latino woman whose... She sounds she almost sounds British

42:49 Yeah, she's got one of those affectated voices. I don't think she is British but this is the guy who was they head of the Whatever that group was here just me tape Take back the net. The internet, slow down. Well we'll know by the end of the day I can tell you right now that there are hundreds of tech companies advocacy organizations and websites that are displaying as you call it the spinning wheel of death but its important to that the internet will not be slowing down as a result of that although one website might slow down and that is the website at the Federal Communications Commission which will be receiving a lot of the activism in the last time

43:28 We had a moment like this was in mid-july when there were a lot of people commenting at their website and it in fact crashed. We're not, we don't want to crash the FCC website today. We want comments to come in. What a dick! And we want them to receive them. We want them to listen to them and we want them to listen to the overwhelming consensus among the public that real net neutrality protections are needed Netflix spokesperson Anne-Marie Skaio issued a statement confirming the site will display the spinning icon on its home page today. She said, quote, consumers not broadband gatekeepers should pick the winners and losers on the Internet strong net neutrality rules

44:06 or needed to stop internet service providers from demanding extra fees, or slowing delivery of content to consumers who already have paid for internet access. I love how they've successfully turned it around from fast lanes to slowing other things down! This is brilliant the way they've done that which was never the conversation. I know i find this fascinating myself which is... you explained it perfectly We have changed the other thing didn't work as well as planned because fast lane slave is just was too confusing. This is better, because this is everyone knows slow everyone understands slow yeah they don't understand it and then the other thing to fast lane slowly was confusing

CHAPTER 18 / 62 Discussion

Netflix Peering Agreements, Technical Misunderstandings

The hosts clarify that the conflict between Netflix and Comcast is primarily about peering arrangements rather than "fast lanes." They challenge the EFF to provide a technical and legal explanation for how "unlawful network traffic" will be defined, suggesting that protocols like mesh networking or peer-to-peer could be targeted.

netflix· peering· comcast· ipv6· eff

44:48 Comcast for example would have a business that can sell you fast lane. 100 plus megabits per second or you can buy home service for 50 or whatever and people would say, well gee the people are already paying for the fast lane if you get a bit to do what about my phone I had is there a fact it's wasn't working at some cerebral level it wasn't working this works better now Tim this is very interesting that Netflix is one of those participating because Netflix really highlighted the problem for so many as they made a deal to have... She says cuz. Yeah, she says cuz. Cuz not because. Cuz this is another part of the sickness I have some more examples of that

45:28 And I also, I'm guilty of it. I say member sometimes instead of remember. Because net because you listen to cuz hey cuz It's not professional slowing delivery of content to consumers who already have paid for internet access now Tim This is very interesting that Netflix is one of those participating because Netflix cuz It's really highlighted the problem for so many as they made a deal to have faster, to be on one of those fast lanes and paying Comcasts that Netflix can stream more easily. Yes it is very good illustration of the type of companies that are... Stop for second! Netflix agreed or paid for appearing arrangement because

46:11 Comcast wasn't going to put their Netflix appliances on stream like everybody else has done. So they made a special arrangement to get peering, right? There's no fast lane slow lane involved here it's just the connections changed but I think you and i can agree this has nothing to do with that this is all about. I just want to make sure that we technically, that we know...I just want to make it clear that technically these people are completely out of it. Let me give you well these people have no idea what they're talking about from our global intelligence network voice zero says oh here's some examples of unlawful network traffic mesh networking peer-to-peer and even things like multicasting any casting the IPv6 has versions of this

47:01 If there is a technical analyst anywhere in the world who has... I challenge, the EFF. I challenge the lawyers at the EFF to write an opinion statement on the rules about unlawful content and unlawful network traffic And try and explain your way out of that What is more important technically? And from a legal standpoint You should shun EFF. If they do, never give money to these people again! These are frauds if they do not see this they are frauds. They're so all in on this it's... This again is almost baffling to witness it and the network neutrality thing with all these people that come in with zero understanding of the way anything works but- It's the same people who were doing phone talk

CHAPTER 19 / 62 Discussion

Comcast-Time Warner Merger, Content Prioritization

The discussion turns to the proposed Comcast-Time Warner merger and how net neutrality rules might facilitate it. They argue that Comcast prioritizes its own video-on-demand services over Netflix for competitive reasons, and that future regulation will lead to deep packet inspection and content filtering.

comcast· time warner· merger· video on demand· deep packet inspection

48:01 Oh, and there's a watch! And there's net neutrality blahblahblahblah. And they're women I have to say unfortunately A lot of them are women too which pisses me off Well i don't see too many women thumping the drum for net neutrality but okay Okay...I see it Okay, let's finish protesting the FCC plan Comcast for example has a competing business with Netflix. They provide us with cable television So it is in their interest as an internet service provider to slow websites like like Netflix But it's not just large companies so not in their interest that would be blatantly anti-competitive and they're plenty of laws to deal with that bull crap.

48:55 By the way people should not go to Etsy after they pull this stunt I want to clear another thing of just a technical detail, which is that Comcast? I don't know if anybody has Comcast. They knows one thing for sure It's very difficult to get internet only because for the same price you can get their cable right so that's not a competitive issue The competitive issue technically if you talk to people about About these Netflix appliances, which is what this is really about at some level. And we're all defending Netflix because it's the most important thing in the world, is that Comcast has a video on demand service that is similar to Netflix and that's what the competitive thing is and they are pretty much giving priority over Netflix for non-competitive reasons but there's other ways of going about dealing with that

49:46 It's got nothing to do with the cable TV that I can assure you. Look, this is about the merger between Time Warner and Comcast. We've played their commercials. You know you're going to have a freer more open more reliable internet. This initially really started, I think with this to get this merger through then how if you combine it all in its all one big utility then everything is groovy and then all of these unlawful content and network traffic started, you know showed up in the proposed rules. And that is to me above anything I don't care if it takes you five hours to download this show because we're in the slow lane which I'm sure will be determined by deep packet inspection and uh...I don't care but If I blocked because of hate speech Because I call people watermelon head or whatever cripple

CHAPTER 20 / 62 Discussion

Podcast Licensing, Ham Radio Analogies and FCC Oversight

Dvorak predicts that FCC oversight of the internet will eventually lead to licensing requirements for podcasters and bloggers, similar to broadcast television or ham radio. He notes that ham radio operators have restricted free speech and cannot use "lascivious" language, providing a potential model for future internet regulation.

podcast licensing· fcc· ham radio· free speech· censorship

50:47 or misogyny, and that's not okay. And that's where it's headed and that along with...and I'll say it again podcast licensing blog licensing you need a license to do this yeah that'll be the way which is always headed to trying to license journalism unfortunately still have to deal with the bill of rights in that regard but you don't think they'd have to necessarily with podcasting once the FCC gets ahold of the internet I mean, it's not as though if you're NBC and you have a network. You don't have to reapply for licenses constantly and they're always looking over while you had a few violations here. You showed a tit, somebody said dick. We may have to fine you a little bit. This is the same thing that's going to happen to people who run websites. There's gonna be an overseer or it's gonna be the FCC. You're gonna need a license to produce stuff but your unlicensed

51:42 It's gonna be just like your ham radio guys are pushed off into a little area where they can do a little Broadcasting now and again, but but even on the if you're a ham this is all kinds of things You're limited. This is a great. This is a great analogy John a great analogy Exactly ham radio which requires studying taking a test then it's not all that difficult boy I did it You are so if you are your free speech is restricted 100% on ham radio. You do not have free speech, you are restricted from... What's the... lascivious, I believe is the word they use. That's one of them. Yeah, I'm just thinking of actual rules You can't say you can't cuss if your a ham And you can't sell anything except... I think you can promote anything Not true! Your allowed to sell your own gear and offer that to people who are talking too yeah well thats we know what we mean where you cant sell anything It's so thats the model

52:46 Yeah, and that's why...once the FCC gets a hold of the internet which is what everyone seems to want. I mean if it's the big push on net neutrality is give it to the FCC let them write some laws to protect us you're gonna be really sorry! It won't be tomorrow by the way but 10 years from now then that's going to look a lot different yeah and there's no stopping this net neutrality thing we can complain all we want You know, it's happening. And the two other guys that seem to understand this thing... Who are the other guys? Who is the two other guys? Mass hysteria... Well, Andrew Orlowski over at The Register has been harping on this forever. But has he been talking about the... I don't think he wrote about the unlawful versus legal. He may or may not have. Anyone who was writing about this as zero-zero understanding of the Internet. No, it is mass hysteria

53:41 Even if you have some understanding. It's the sickness! Don't take away our Netflix and Facebook, uh-uh-uh So that's it it's part of the illness there We gotta figure this out man we got to come up with a word We really do...we will well why don't we just hold on for one second as we've now gone through all our tech news I feel dirty or doing Tech News Tech News? You didn't say the Tech News jingle. You know I'm having Is this the tech news jingle? There's something wrong with... I can't seem to get any of my, no. Anyway sorry! I don't know. I don't have the tech news jingles it seems to be gone Yeah this is very bad Tech-tech-tech I don't have a tech news, its just gone. I don't know what to say but I DO want to

CHAPTER 21 / 62 Discussion

Executive Producer Credits, Value for Value, David Foley

Adam Curry thanks the "Value for Value" producers and discusses the show's artwork. He introduces Executive Producer David Foley, who donated $668.66. Foley receives a "hollow book" from a show sponsor as part of his producer package.

value for value· executive producer· david foley· hollow books· Newcastle

54:38 Thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak! In the morning to you Adam Curry and also in the morning of all ships that see boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water And all the dames and all the knights out there... In the morning to everyone in the chat room noagendastream.com Good to have human resources here and in attendance Then in the morning to our artists who are providing fabulous art I believe we pulled an evergreen for the last episode from Sterling Morton. Yeah, it was an oldie but a goody because we had it was there was a lot of good art. But nothing really Yes, someone was off topic and some it was hard to do this is what happens We either have too much art that we have to really fight over right or then or there's nothing that quite clicks And in this case nothing quite clicked then we had to go deep into the evergreen archives To find this piece that were used but these these things really do make the difference It is

55:41 I always smile when i open up my podcast app and then, I see that our art has changed. It looks good you know it just looks good and it's hard! It's hard to have new art for every episode and just because you are the producers we have this. And of course eventually the artists will be licensed with an FCC approved sticker on their forehead So they'll have to do that and put the sticker on the individual artwork, to show it was approved by the public. Anyway I want to thank a few executive producers and associate executive producers Ladies and gentlemen this contest is scheduled for one fall Making his way into the ring Weighing 333 pounds He's from around Newcastle, USA Sir David Bowie

56:33 there he is. Foley! David Foley, who we haven't heard from for a couple of shows came in with $668.66 which is a variation on our Reagan alternative donation of 668 and he went to the Make up one as you go along box and put that in it was very creative I And i want to say something by the way we have three executive producers and three associate executive producers for a balanced show Can, i just say one thing about his donation that he also now of course Receives the hollow book The matching from free hollow books calm right which is and you'll appreciate that yeah they're great

57:20 I have a couple of them and i've used them. Yeah, for your drugs? ITM gentlemen please find my value for value compensation even though the show that you provide twice a week more than justifies the donation how can one resist when you throw in a protest...I think that's what he meant anyway double producer credits and a holo book Exactly. I'm gonna give him some karma. And a hollow point. You've got karma.

CHAPTER 22 / 62 Discussion

Knighting Ceremony, Sir Idiot of Atlas McDowell

The hosts perform a knighting ceremony for "Sir Idiot of Atlas McDowell," who donated $432.10. The donor provides a humorous take on the term "ground truth" and requests a custom ringtone mix featuring show catchphrases like "Buy more kale" and "You will obey."

knighthood· atlas mcdowell· ground truth· ringtone· karma

58:02 From Concord, California up the road for me four hundred thirty two dollars and ten cents. Hey idiot from Atlas McDowell Isn't that the Rubicon company? Yeah I think so By the way he took a Rubicon off Oh of course it's way too good you kidding I thought that was really strange they would do that Ho ho hi ho Howard and Robin its hey idiot Just couldn't stop myself from completing my knighthood today after the recent string of excellence from the best podcast in the universe. You guys are killa killing it! And just about three people in the audience will get that joke." I think a lot of people will get that joke

58:44 Along with the Doe Nation, D-O-G-H nation I wanted to mention something perhaps lame perhaps profound about the ground truth meme from words matter people say what they really mean viewpoint. Couldn't ground truth also represent that lower grade of truth that true butchers produce when they run the cheaper cuts and awful O-F-F-A-L stuff through the amusing guts, through the truth grinder. When you hear ground truth let's be thinking along the lines of ground beef." I like...I like the idea!

59:20 also requests an IT support dude named Ben. I've been using JCD's You Will Obey as the ringtone for the on-call cell phones we share here at the Support Desks and hilarity always ensues when one goes off, but I'd like to step that up a notch with a new ringtone so kindly give me Buy him would you have to put that you want to do this for him? We had to put the echo on Oh, what are we doing? You need a co he wants buy more kale. You will obey I have that one I hope it's a pretty supreme mix. I got that oh you got okay Well by more kale you will obey followed by I'm the rule follower with okay This is what he wants us to play this stuff. I thought he wanted us to record something new Okay, I'm a rule follower with boom shakalaka chaser these night is sir idiot of Atlas McDowell

1:00:10 Okay, okay. I think i got just about everything let's give it a shot and we'll do some karma there as well I presume that he wants that so have more tail have more tail Have more tail have more tail have more tail have more tail you will obey I'm the rule follower So if the rule is that we have to do it then ill do it Boo Chocolata! You've got karma. Oh, yeah Well that was worth four hundred thirty dollars and ten cents hell yeah sir Don Sorry what if he needs me to blow him I'll come on this fine too Let's see sir Dante now, but only do in calls so they have to go to Austin yeah

CHAPTER 23 / 62 Discussion

Scottish Referendum, Koch Brother Journalists and Global Donations

The hosts read a donation note from a journalist in Scotland covering the independence referendum. They discuss the "Braveheart moment" for the Scots and compare it to failed referendums in Quebec. Other donations from Michigan, Florida, and Ontario are acknowledged, along with a mention of actress Tawny Kitaen.

scotland· referendum· koch brothers· quebec· panama

1:01:06 Okay, so Don to okay. I got an email from my bets are don de tomaso di toronto yes I can't remember what is his email sir don de tomaso di toronto and it would be in the email something else in this email yeah, I Can give it a shot? I'll look for it, and we'll play it at the second in the second break um But he has something to say. I can assure you, he has something to say $411.33 from Kettleby Ontario. Yale Osowski $246.58 would be associated with him.

1:01:51 Or A-L, maybe? No. I know that's spelled differently. 24650 from St Petersburg Florida. The donation puts me three fourths of the way toward full knighthood four years in the making That means i've donated from time... From the time I was a poor student to now as a Koch brother funded journalist Cue the jingle! Where are they? Where are they? Koch Brothers! I'm in Scotland at the moment reporting on the referendum. As a Quebecois, I am used to seeing failed referendums but this one seems a bit different." Is it referendums or referenda? I have no idea. It's a great way for the little guy to stick it to the big guy simple as that from my dedicated pub research anyone who isn't an elite is voting yes will have some dispatches from the ground

1:02:46 from the ground, published soon. Send us some information as this develops because there's all kinds of dubious reports coming out that this is going to not pass which makes zero sense to me since the Scots have been bitching about the British rule for 400 years." This is their braveheart moment they're gonna go for it! Well they better... They know what? They're bored. They got nothing better to do like that guy work you know they had nothing better to do Anonymous from Milford, Michigan $222.22 and he wants to tell you that Adam Tawney Katane is in the hood. Is on the hood? Oh she's on the hood at this, she was in the hood I had a crush on her when she was on the hood And then she married David Coverdog

1:03:34 Okay. Jeffrey Fitch in Winter Garden, Florida $222 flat please send me some test-taking karma much obliged. You bet no problem happy to hand that to you. You've got karma And that will be our executive producers and associate executive producers for show 651. We do have a show coming up on Sunday, shorter time frame devorek dot org slash N A please go there and help us continue the effort. And these are real credits these executive producer and associate executive producer credits they work anywhere credits are accepted you can put them on your IMDB if you have it or you can

1:04:16 Yeah, on LinkedIn people seem to get a lot of foot traffic when they put their uh... their producership there or just in your signature whatever it's interesting. People will talk to you about it and then maybe can explain what's going on Indeed will be back Sunday with more analysis because there is alot to do. Devorak dot org slash N A Of course we need everyone to continue go out and try propagate our formula Our formula is this We hit people in the mouth Order Chefs

CHAPTER 24 / 62 Discussion

Don Tommaso and Don Emilio de Toronto

Adam Curry reads a letter from "Don Tommaso" in Toronto, who sent two donations. One donation is intended to start his son, "Don Emilio de Toronto," on the path to knighthood following an "ice bucket challenge fiasco."

toronto· ice bucket challenge· knighthood· donation

1:05:02 You pigs and you... I love it, makes us sound so militant. Yeah you pigs! So I can find a letter from Don Tommaso in Toronto. Oh good good good It's simple, I should read it now because he actually came in at the $100 level too so he was going to be on this thing twice Okay He says this week you'll find my two separate donations of the best podcasting universe One is 41133 for the best source of information 411 get it? The second donation is 100 My son finally repaid too much tone for his ice bucket challenge fiasco Nice

1:05:38 Please credit that to Don Emilio de Toronto, to start him on his road to knighthood. Your vigilant servant from the north always at the ready to deal with any crisis, ISIS, CR-ISIS... Hold on, it's Don... He has a punmeister. Spell the name for me? Don... Don Emilio De Toronto? Yeah. That's I think... That's the second donation Oh, okay. That'll be coming later. Okay? Okay good. So we're covered yeah want to make sure we're covered onward We are covered well Yeah There's a lot I another thing I need to mention when I left the Netherlands the day I left The Dutch Incident Advisory Board, I think that's what they're called I came out with their preliminary report of MH the downing

CHAPTER 25 / 62 Discussion

MH17 Preliminary Report, Dutch Media Bias and Projectiles

Curry discusses the release of the preliminary report on the downing of flight MH17. He criticizes the Dutch newspaper *De Telegraaf* for biased headlines blaming Russia before the report was public. The report concluded the plane was hit by high-velocity projectiles from the outside, consistent with a missile strike, but offered no definitive culprit.

mh17· amsterdam· telegraph· surface-to-air missile· flight data recorder

1:06:37 I don't know who made up this we had to say downing. Downings! It's just it's a fuzzy world. Let alone shootdown yeah well shootdown would be more accurate they came out with their preliminary report, and even before it was released the telegraph, the big morning newspaper that all these slaves read. They had huge headline I'm talking one to probably four five inch high headline Russian shot first

1:07:14 something like that. Or the Russian, it doesn't really translate...the Russians shot as in they shot then you read so the report hadn't even come out and then the first or like the second paragraph it says well you know it appears that maybe this came from Russia but we don't really know until the report comes out today but the headline on the day the report came out which they knew shows such complicit behavior with the messaging that the government is trying to put on to Europe and the Dutch people, it was bile-raising. And the report has no information—there's technical information—that there was nothing of any

1:08:01 value on the flight data recorder or the cockpit voice recorder. Everything seemed to be functioning normally and then, you know at the same time on both devices there's just nothing left which means there was no distress calls...nothing they did not I despise a little that they translated into Dutch the ATC controller speaking to the traffic during, just before the incident. I would rather hear the actual audio. I have a problem with that." And the only thing they concluded is that there was a massive...I think the exact word was explosive event

1:08:45 from the outside of the aircraft, which suffered a lot of—which suffered structural damage after projectiles ripped through the fuselage and the cockpit at high velocity. Well okay we know how these surface-to-air missiles work they explode nearby and shrapnel shoots out then the whole thing falls apart But that was it. Then now, okay well there'll be another year before they come out and if even that we still don't have the last 28 missing pages from the 9-11 Commission report so please 13 years later no so that was disturbing and then as I'm sitting um I've gone through my security and iIm sitting again observing people there are two Dutch girls maybe late 30's

CHAPTER 26 / 62 Discussion

Public Apathy, Beheading Video Polls and Media Lies

The hosts discuss a poll claiming 94% of Americans are "aware" of ISIS beheading videos. They argue that the media, specifically Erin Burnett on CNN, is misrepresenting this statistic to suggest that 94% of Americans have *seen* the videos, thereby manufacturing consent for military action.

isis· beheading videos· erin burnett· nbc news· wall street journal

1:09:33 And then one says, wow. Can you believe this? I say this and the other woman says, oh no, but I've just chosen to completely ignore it. But like, but I just don't want to deal with it anymore. This is now what's happening. Um, and part of it is... Well that actually goes deeper than just that one person. I think there are a lot more people who have been involved in this kind of thing for decades or so. And they're not going to be able to do anything about it unless we get them involved When you have somebody reporting on the beheadings and refusing to watch the video, that's the exact same thing. It's the same phenomenon. Let's get into our segment here.

1:10:22 Good work. Yeah, that was a goodie. Paul the book guy is very funny So as I had this fever then I'd already done a lot of clips and work in the afternoon But I'm just I mean, I'm feeling it now a little bit too off to take some ibuprofen or something to get the fever I know I might have Ebola some hemorrhagic fever may pick that up I'm watching the setup and the spin going into President Obama's rare primetime speech. Oh, very rare! And what these guys are doing—and of course this was a forced hand move

1:11:02 or the president, they're probably looking at Twitter because this seems what everyone is doing. It's like, oh Twitter must be true and they're not seeing the president's name trend or anything about a speech so they start selectively releasing quotes so people could you know...so the news whores can start talking about it and then the statistics now the statistics are very interesting there was an NBC Wall Street Journal poll Which when I heard Erin Burnett say this, which is what it's going to be. She just jumped ahead on the message Then i will tell you what the poll actually said and what good is the statistics of a poll anyway But here's what she said

1:11:42 I show the American people we showed that piece from Deb for a purpose to so people could see some of the videos, some of the atrocities that ISIS has committed. These videos they put out there 94% of Americans say that they saw the beheading videos They were aware of the beddings of James Foley and Steve Sotloff Okay 94% of Americans saw the video? Yeah, I don't think so. It's a lie! That is a lie! The actual study says 94 percent of Americans were aware of the beheading video Very few have actually seen it They are now leading the president Americans are now prepared for This is a lie! American's not leading the president Military conflict

CHAPTER 27 / 62 Discussion

Obama ISIS Speech, Echo Chambers and Forced Marriage

Curry critiques President Obama's primetime speech on ISIS, noting the poor audio quality and "echo chamber" setting. He questions the inclusion of "forced marriage" in the list of ISIS atrocities, suggesting it might be a subtle dig at India. The hosts argue the presentation should have used modern multimedia tools like maps and touchscreens.

barack obama· isis· isil· syria· iraq· forced marriage

1:12:23 Is this country being led into war because of those videos? Would this... I don't care. Yes, yes by- yes because of these videos! YES! I agree And let's listen to the president That is the only quote that I pulled from his- oh wait a minute I think I had the opening which was kind of funny Oh no, here it is. Here's the only 35 seconds of the president speech that I think mattered because i found it peculiar and also believe this may be untruthful. In a region that has known so much bloodshed... And by the way who chose the location for this prime time speech? Who decided to put him in the echo chamber

1:13:08 This was yeah, the micing could have been better. The miking could have been better I found it not to be present this is 2014 You know how come this guy doesn't come out hit that shit up Give me some maps draw some get one of those screens like they use at CNN Why does he have to be so blue if you really want to communicate a message? Do you want people to listen to this is what I would advise Get one of those touchscreens like they haven't seen in and he should be saying look here It is and you've been oh Here's how they magically fly over into America kill us all You know, they're coming back or whatever he's...whatever bullcrap he's spouting. But this needs to be hipped up! This is dumb. This is just totally dumb. In a region that has known so much bloodshed these terrorists are unique in their brutality They execute captured prisoners. They kill children. They enslave rape and force women into marriage Now what does this forced women into marriage business? India does that too! Yeah but India does that since this is not

1:14:08 This is not a new well, it's it's new for the list but why? These people don't do anything. I think this is maybe a very subtle dig at India too, don't forget in the background we've concluded... Yep! ...I think you agree with me that there's a little thing going on with India? Yeah Well that's part of it then because this is not just ISIS but okay let me just finish this because.. I want to stop you for a second Just 20 seconds!! I know but I just have something you said that I you know we're gonna lose track of it Alright go Which is

1:14:44 When exactly are we going to see a multimedia president? Or even running for office. They're still holding up whiteboard placards on easels in Congress Anyway, I want to talk about this some more but finish your 20 seconds because i think it's-I think you've touched on something that's not being addressed at all. They enslave rape and force women into marriage they threaten the religious minority with genocide And in acts of barbarism, they took the lives of two American journalists – Jim Foley and Stephen Sotloff. So ISIL poses a threat to the people of Iraq and Syria, and the broader Middle East – including American citizens, personnel and facilities

CHAPTER 29 / 62 Discussion

Presidential Presentation Style, Ross Perot and Teleprompters

The hosts discuss why modern presidents don't use visual aids like Ross Perot did in the 1990s. Curry theorizes that Obama is unable to read a teleprompter and interact with a map simultaneously. They also mock the president's physical mannerisms when disembarking Air Force One.

ross perot· teleprompter· valerie jarrett· powerpoint· air force one

1:18:57 Maps is showing you when to turn right or left. People rarely zoom out, or if they do then they're confused like, oh let me look at Google Universe! Oh I'm on the moon! But this rarely...rarely do people- Look! Look at these things just look, look at the map it's interesting. Now this brings back the point again that I'm obviously going to obsess about for a couple of shows Why can't it be like Tim Collins of Apple? Tom Cook what's his name Yeah, yeah. That would be good! He does a beautiful PowerPoint or pages presentation... Well there's no reason that any candidate can't do this and if you remember, well you won't remember because we're probably not old enough but when Ross Perot ran for

1:19:43 for president and all of a sudden almost managed to get 20% of the vote. Yeah, I remember He was using little drawings he would get on TV but bought these ads you'd get on TV and they hold up a Cardboard little piece of carpet is like the way they do in Congress only they were more maybe probably more detailed and he would show these things to the publishers. He said look this is what's happening and this was going on, and he would at least do that much just doing that and I watched these and i thought they were very compelling if you take it to the next level and actually go to some serious modern presentations, to get your point across. I think you could totally get a huge audience and you could really manipulate the public a lot better than these boring speeches where he comes walking up... He walks up funny anyway and it's very distracting to see him do it. He comes up to like a squirrel when he comes down Air Force One, you notice he has his hands in front of him?

1:20:40 Yeah, it looks a little bit like Montgomery Burns. Over makeup! And made up to death. Really made up with the pancake. Well I can tell you why this is not going to happen because... Notice that I said because and not cause He cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. I believe it is impossible for this president to read prompter, and... It's a trick you know? It's not easy. It's like Weatherman do it- TV news people know how to do it! I know how to do it John, you know how to do it You can look at the book if he looks away from the prompter, he's confused And he loses his place. We would call this after this one, and I think this was pre recorded I don't even believe that this was live we would say mmmm The read was so-so

1:21:24 That's how we would say it in the television business. Reed was not like good Reed, no he stumbled you could hear a lot because this was the center placed teleprompter which he is not really comfortable with because he is always doing side to side glass plates so maybe its just a different thing to be reading from I do not believe that he can point to a presentation or map and read at the same time. I don't think that's good, no it's not easy to do. A really interesting theory! My theory is that the advisors and people who run these old politicals who run all these operations, the guys behind this scene are so old-fashioned

1:22:03 that they wouldn't even think of this. You're right, you might be right about your thesis might be correct he maybe can walk and chew gum and couldn't do this but that's beside the point I don't think it would ever get to be given the opportunity because i don't take any of these staffers these Valerie Jarrett's and these sorts of people think like that their old-fashioned half them...I don't think there has been a president who can actually use a computer ever in the White House That, you know that's neither here nor there. I tweeted this and said could the president just use some maps? It would spice up the presentation! We might care of course people who have half a brain will see through the bullcrap that these ISIL people are not magically gonna jump around in fact... This is pretty funny so here let me just get a laugh out of this what was proposed

CHAPTER 30 / 62 Discussion

Intelligence Fusion Cells, Degrading ISIS and Air Power

A clip from a Hoover Institution analyst discusses the lack of "fusion cells" and ground intelligence in the current fight against ISIS. The analyst argues that air power alone can only "degrade" the group and that defeating them would eventually require boots on the ground to ferret out insurgents.

hoover institution· cia· fbi· isis· air strikes

1:23:01 Well, while you're looking at that I do have a clip which i found unusual. After his speech a local news station actually did an analysis which I rarely see it's usually done by the networks but they brought a guy in from the Hoover Institution who made some interesting commentary but he also dropped in a couple of buzz terms I've never heard before. Oh sorry play? Yes play okay Well, Mr. Hendrickson the key to this obviously has to be the intelligence Do we have the intel network? To pull off these intricate strikes in Syria

1:23:37 No, not presently. We had much better very good intelligence when the United States was at war with thousands of troops in Iraq because we had what we called then fusion cells which brought together agents from the CIA and military special forces and other agencies-the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency and so on all working together parsing sentences Who is this person? Who is this analyst It's a guy from the Hoover Institution. He doesn't want to add any U.S. boots on the ground, how realistic is this? If we look back at the past when US forces were treading Iraqi forces How realistic do you think his strategy would be? Well it's a short-term strategy I don't think he kept mentioning that he wanted to degrade

1:24:46 and defeat the ISIL or ISIS, or the Islamic State. But on the other hand you can only do so much with air You can blow up some vehicles, you can blow up a troop concentration but if the insurgents, the terrorists go to ground If they hide out it will be extremely hard to get out And we had enormous forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it still required boots on the ground soldiers doing all sorts of things to ferret out the enemies. I have some clips of analysts as well, which i found to be hilarious. I just want to go back to this clip that I now found This is Senator Poe? Is it Senator Poe? Congressman Poe? I think its Senator Poe And he has introduced some legislation Which we have talked about on the show No one really reporting on this Mr Speaker ISIS is continuing its murderous rampage On Christians Jews and Muslims in Syria and Iraq

CHAPTER 31 / 62 Discussion

FTO Passport Revocation Act, Ted Poe and Edward Snowden

Texas Congressman Ted Poe introduced the "FTO Passport Revocation Act" to strip the passports of Americans fighting for ISIS. The hosts discuss the constitutionality of this move, noting that the Yale Law Journal previously argued there is no current legal authority to revoke passports for such reasons, including in the case of Edward Snowden.

ted poe· passport revocation· isis· edward snowden· yale law journal

1:25:50 America needs to go dismantle, disrupt and defeat ISIS. Victory should be the goal ISIS has arrogantly beheaded two Americans and sent the murder videos all over the world. And now they say they're coming to America to kill us? Whoo! Once a small band of bandit thugs fighting in the Syrian civil war, these cutthroat terrorists have fighters from many nations including the United States. Aha! What are we going to do?! When Americans go and take up arms with foreign terrorist organizations like ISIS when they go and give aid and comfort to America's enemies their passports should be revoked So tonight I introduced legislation that would prohibit the Benedict Arnold ISIS fighters from the United States from re-entering our country. The bill is called the FTO Passport Revocation Act

1:26:37 American traders who go to war against America are not welcome back in our land. Their passports should be revoked! Further, ISIS fighters must be held accountable for their terror and we should track them down and make the consequences of their terror unpleasant." And that's just the way it is I yield back. Okay let's first of all make sure that he's a house member from Texas He's not a senator so... Just to clarify that he's one of those guys dumb fucks from Texas no offense Well, so... Well you know I suggested this myself. But what's interesting of course is this place... Because if you're gonna take away Snowden's passport, you might as well... Exactly. This... And then you also pointed out that you can't actually do that? So the Yale Law Journal wrote that this is unconstitutional and cannot be done because there is no law on the books that enables anyone to do this and Congress would have to pass a law to enable this.

1:27:38 But as of this bill, Edward Snowden's passport has not been revoked. And if someone says it is then it is unconstitutionally so but I have HR 5408 here which I just walk you through for a moment the Terrorist Denaturalization and Passport Revocation Act and there's lot of... basically...I'm sorry It adds and strikes from the Immigration and Nationality Act certain terms and I have highlighted a few, you can always find it in the show notes. In paragraph 4 by adding at the end of the line accepting serving in or performing the duties of any office post or employment for an organization designated as a foreign terrorist organization pursuant to section 219 after attaining the age of 18 years if the office posts are employment requires knowing engagement in hostilities against United States military or civilian personnel

1:28:33 then they strike something else. So, so they're very clear if you are doing anything with a designated terrorist organization then your passport can be revoked the act entitled an act to regulate the issue and validity of passports for other purposes approved July 3rd 1926 commonly known as the Passport Act of 1926 is amended by adding at the end the following this is the one that is necessary according to the Yale School of Law Authority to deny or revoke passport and passport card. Now this is... there is no authority to do this currently, so it's bullcrap. Issuance except as provided under subsection B the Secretary of State may not issue a passport or passport card to any individual whom the secretary has determined is a member of an organization the secretary has designated as a foreign terrorist organization pursuant to section 209

1:29:24 Revocation, the Secretary of State shall revoke a passport or passport card previously issued to any individual described in paragraph one. Notwithstanding subsection A, the Secretary of State may issue a passport or passport card in emergency circumstances or for humanitarian reasons." You've got always have an out...to an individual described in paragraph 1 so if for some reason we have humanitarian reasons then we can have a terrorist keep their passport So I just find... What circumstance would that be? If there was really CIA, I guess. Yeah, there you go. So it just shows that everyone buying into this being possible certainly with Snowden is wrong and they're trying to get this on the books which i think is a big constitutional issue because you know this act in 1926

CHAPTER 32 / 62 Discussion

Jay Carney at CNN, Media Revolving Door

The hosts express disgust at former White House Press Secretary Jay Carney being hired as a CNN analyst only months after leaving his government post. They characterize Carney as a "shill" for the Obama administration who continues to use the same talking points on air.

jay carney· cnn· white house press secretary· jeff zucker· shill

1:30:19 gives you the right to be able to identify yourself as an American outside of the US borders. So I also found the analysis interesting and I got stuck watching with my fever, watching CNN...and the first thing I was appalled, blown away, disgusted In what journalistic organization is it okay to have a

1:31:13 Press Secretary, who only left his post in June now have a full...have a contract as an analyst for the journalistic organization. This is not okay! This is appalling to you. Well listen to how he talks! I understand that to now be in the position He's still like talking from the podium of essentially launching and open-ended military campaign Well, I think the point you're making is absolutely accurate. That it is ironic of course given how this president was elected and the policies that he laid out that he's having to do this but to answer your specific question yes I could envision because I left in late June and the threat posed by ISIS was already apparent they had already moved dramatically across into Iraq

1:32:07 he's He's not. I mean, he is like Stephanopoulos on ABC! He's a shill! This is a shill for the Obama administration now we need to behave... Hey, we need a guy on the circuit yeah? Yeah, I know why don't you resign and we'll get you the job but Jeff Zucker will hook you up You get the million dollars a year then just come on and just repeat whatever The president says and say it's good It's all right And that's what he's doing did you see this McCain and Carney show as they're now billing it

CHAPTER 33 / 62 Discussion

Carney vs McCain, Free Syrian Army Debate

A clip shows a heated exchange between Jay Carney and Senator John McCain on CNN regarding the arming of the Free Syrian Army. McCain accuses the administration of ignoring military advice, while Carney uses the phrase "agree to disagree," which the hosts mock as a non-answer typical of a press secretary.

jay carney· john mccain· free syrian army· cnn· syria

1:32:46 No, I'll play a little bit just just to give you the idea but because they're hyping it so much. I'm kind of disgusted I'm sure there's gonna be a show now the the Carney and McCain show well as McCain retires He was very weak argument By the way, I'm astounded that Mr.. Carney should say he that that the Free Syrian Army is now stronger. In fact, they've been badly damaged. Well that's not what I said Senator. If I could sir, what I said is we know a great deal more about the makeup of the opposition. Jay, come on, we knew all about them then you just didn't choose to know.

1:33:23 them. Come on, you guys are the ones... it's your boss is the one that when... Notice he uses the present tense your boss not from back then his new boss is CNN but this is your boss. The entire national security team wanted to arm and train them but he turned them down Mr Carney after a... Well Senator I think we have to agree or disagree on this When an analyst says or a commentator says, we'll have to agree to disagree. No that's not what you're hired for Carney That's not... You're supposed to have an opinion and stick to it so saying this is like from the podium We'll have to agree to disagree. The facts are stubborn things Mr. Carney And that is his entire national security team including Secretary of State said we want to arm train and equip these people and he made the unilateral decision as turned them down in fact they didn't leave residual force in Iraq

1:34:18 overruling all of his military advisors is the reason why we're facing ISIS today. So, the facts are stubborn things in history and people ought to know them and now the president's saying basic... So this goes on for a while then they argue and it was... Ugh! Sounds dreadful. And McCain was really happy at the end. Now I want to there's a couple things that happened here. I'm making a prediction that McCain will go into the media Well, he's... He seems to be practicing. So there is one... so Newt Gingrich who was also on this uh... one of the analysts I think he nailed it and then it was really funny to see what happened watching this speech his thirty second analysis is exactly what is short-circuiting everybody's brain which I have some examples of This speech really struck me as we were sitting here talking you know reality is a harsh teacher

CHAPTER 34 / 62 Discussion

Newt Gingrich Analysis, Donna Brazile and the "Obushma" Era

Newt Gingrich observes that Obama's ISIS speech sounded like something George W. Bush would have delivered. The hosts play a clip of Donna Brazile appearing confused and "short-circuiting" while trying to defend the president's shift toward a more hawkish foreign policy.

newt gingrich· donna brazile· george w. bush· barack obama· isil

1:35:10 This speech is closer to a George W. Bush speech than it is to anything Barack Obama would have said between 2007 and this week. I mean, go through this speech and tell me what do you think Dick Cheney would not be willing to say that's in the speech? It is a remarkable moment of a president who didn't want to be doing this being trapped in a world... Now, I like the speech. I think it's a very powerful speech but it sure as not the Obama policy prior to tonight So it was funny to watch people's brain just go haywire. It is so difficult for Democrats to acknowledge that their dream, their knight in shining armor is Bush. This is the breaking moment and Donna Brazile... I don't know if she was drunk? If she was high but

1:36:02 Her brain short-circuited and even her speech, what is her credibility? Where did she come from this Donna Brazile? She's from the Clinton administration. She was like a kind of a Valerie Jarrett type character and she's very credible in a lot of circles especially liberal Democrat circles Well it got so bad that... well first I'll play this opening salvo where you can see that she's confused just confused And her speech goes all nuts. Because he recognizes that the country is weary of war, 13 years millions and trillions of dollars spent The president really I think challenged us to come together as a country to fight this threat No we didn't! To understand the nature of the threat. What? I thought the objectives that he laid out tonight were very clear, very concise

1:36:53 but I also thought his call to Congress, for Congress to get involved. To lend the resources, to make sure that this is just not... To lend the resources? He doesn't even know how Congress works! to make sure that this is just not the president's so-called war on ISIL but the country itself. I thought it was a good speech, a good beginning hopefully congress will pick up the phone and say Mr President i'm with you let's get this okay so you don't say a good beginning and mr president we're with you not which you you're with you not with you So this is where...I'm noticing there's some code going on here that Absolutely convinced. I'm not convinced there's code, but i'm not...

CHAPTER 35 / 62 Discussion

ISIS vs ISIL Terminology, War Machine Bonanza and Advisors

The hosts discuss the linguistic divide between "ISIS" (media) and "ISIL" (government/insiders). They argue the new conflict is a "bonanza" for the military-industrial complex, benefiting contractors like Academy (formerly Blackwater) and defense firms like Raytheon, while avoiding the political fallout of "combat troops" by using "advisors."

isis· isil· blackwater· academy· contractors· nato

1:37:36 I don't know what the code means, which is the president uses ISIL. The media uses ISIS or they do the Islamic thing where they do the triple which is the marketing thing and she used to ISIL now there's something like you're part of some club if you say one thing your part of some other club if you say something else but I haven't really noticed that I have not identified it. I have received a message from our global intelligence network the military circles and I've been informed that this is if you're in the know, like you say Iraq not IRAQ. If you're in the know you say ISIL. If you're not in the know you say ISIS and if you're in the know you only say ISIL which is great because we can always have a splinter group called ISIS and then another one called IS so we could rate this whole thing

1:38:27 just so we're all clear from my perspective, is the best way for the American economy. This is exactly what we needed. We need to ramp up the entire war machine and with our partners, The Coalition of The Willing... Interestingly, the Dutch were not included! And there was an outrage That the Dutch, and we had people going to Washington because... Crap! We need to sell some shit into this too. You're gonna leave us hanging? Everybody's out- This is a bonanza And the best thing is no one killed! This is fantastic

1:39:06 We're going to have advisors. This is going to be Academy, formerly known as Zee, formerly known as Blackwater and I have links to the website they're calling for contractors and even... And I'll give them props Pooper and Tapper that's a show for you Pooper and Tapper I thought they were quite good in this, managing these idiots in this roundtable discussion. Listen to them mocking the advisors like we always do and it was very brief and very subtle but then never of course gets discussed. I think the president also needs to explain to people that this is not without risk There's already 500 US advisors on the ground no doubt there are going to be hundreds more. You catch it? Advisors

1:39:49 And then pooper goes, yeah right. We all know what it is as contractors this contractor who are going in and we're upgrading the idiot Isis ISIL guys that we had to be killed and then these guys will Be in and they'll just keep it going for years and years and years Let's go back to Donna Brazil and this is she tries to explain why because you can't explain it all away Why we pulled out or going back in and her brain is fried but But the Iraqi government did not want us to stay there with the kind of guarantees that they wanted from us. We did not want to buy those conditions. So Pooper's like, you moron! And he jumps in and then even Gloria Borger everyone and they're trying to teach her

CHAPTER 36 / 62 Discussion

Media Irony, Chemical Weapon Memes and Fox News Polls

CNN's Carol Costello notes the "irony" of an anti-war president entering a new conflict. Meanwhile, Fox News reports high public support for airstrikes in Syria. The hosts criticize the media for reintroducing the "debunked" meme that the Syrian regime used chemical weapons a year prior to justify current intervention.

carol costello· cnn· fox news· chemical weapons· syria

1:40:36 what's going on and tell her to shut up. It is something that actually protects US troops on the ground. But they had unreasonable conditions on the back of the troops. Senator McCain certainly disagrees with that, he believes an agreement could have been reached. And if I could... This short-circuiting! She can't even speak normally. Here's Carol Costello you know i love her, Carol CNN This morning. Good morning So Donna there's there's a bit of irony here this president won election in part because of his anti-war stance so Here we are it's just kind of weird That's your analysis Carol, this is just kind of weird she don't honk the horn on her yeah I could have

1:41:32 I have a clip here, let's play this. I just thought this was interesting because it is on Fox because Fox is all in on this because they're all part of that industrial complex part of it and the US public okay with bombing Syria which is the latest thing. Officials said that the president will outline a three-phase campaign to destroy ISIS during his speech tomorrow and a third phase of that plan... Hold on a second, are they going to destroy ISIS during his speech? Is that actually what was said? That's what she said. They're gonna destroy ISIS during his speech. Hold on a second, let me play that again. That was good I missed that

1:42:09 officials that the president will outline a three-phase campaign to destroy ISIS during his speech tomorrow. That's funny, good catch. And the third phase of that plan which involves air strikes against ISIS in Syria seems to have the backing of the American people with 65 percent of Americans saying they support US air strikes in that war torn country this is so wrong And they're just throwing these numbers out there. You can't even log in, you have to have a paywall membership for the Wall Street Journal to see their phony baloney service Interesting to note that this number is up more than double the level of support for airstrikes in Syria, more than a year ago when the regime was using chemical weapons. And the last poll I want to share reveals exactly how strongly Americans feel about ISIS and its threat to the United States with 91% viewing the terror network as a vital threat to US interests. Okay there's something I got to mention here you should know if you caught it

1:43:08 But I find it deplorable and there's nothing we can do about it. We talk about this all the time, but reintroducing a false meme to me is just... It's criminal! It's criminal John. And the false meme in this case of course was when they were using chemical weapons This has been debunked by everyone They were not using chemical weapons The weapons were not their weapons far away. But there, no. We're gonna go with the old memes because they work better on the stupid public especially the viewers of Fox. And we're going to use social networks and smartphones as our fact base Here's McCain

CHAPTER 37 / 62 Discussion

Twitter Traffic Threats, NATO GDP and Hellfire Missiles

Senator McCain cites "Twitter and Facebook traffic" as evidence of a direct threat to the U.S. homeland. The hosts discuss how NATO members are being pressured to increase their GDP spending to 2%, which they claim will flow directly to U.S. defense contractors like Boeing and Raytheon for more Hellfire missiles.

john mccain· twitter· facebook· nato· hellfire missiles· raytheon

1:44:06 entering into this territory as this is how things are true. Senator McCain, the president also said that we have not yet detected specific plotting against our homeland. Pooper was good he was asking the tough questions I think he's sick and tired of this crap by the way Americans who hear those words might wonder if that is really the case then why do we need to take action against ISIS? Now wait for this answer so he has to now refute the clear evidence that no one is coming to beat us up and kill us here. And by the way, Texas is ready ISIL! Come on come on cross that border we're waiting for you. That you say what? I say that today we had a hearing and there was testimony from counterterrorism people in Department of Homeland Security There's Twitter traffic right now Facebook traffic where they are urging attacks on the United States of America Okay so that's it oh wait when is that new

1:45:00 It's new for McCain. For him to use this, there is Twitter traffic and Facebook traffic but this is the problem because of the sickness people buy into it. Oh well shit man they're posting on Twitter! Twitter? On Facebook even on Facebook I mean that must be true its on twitter. Its on facebook its on twitter yeah and of course this will take years and years Borger Gloria Borger who I think she also she's also a shill isn't she isn't she married to someone We looked into her before. So the president has to address both of those headwinds, if you will as he tries to rally the country at this big moment. He has to explain the complexity of this situation because this isn't going to be like shock and awe

1:45:40 You know in the first Gulf War this is not, this is going to be something that as the congressman says it's going to take years and patience and intelligence. And just let the American public know you know this isn't just gonna drop a few bombs and thats it." No! We have to drop a lot of bombs and its what a beautiful strategy I'm so proud Not a single American will die. We'll have tons of contractors, advisors die, consultants... Oh yeah but they're all there No one cares that's what they get paid a lot of money to oh yeah That's why they do it then there's hundreds of them dead in Ukraine also you know They're the actual so-called opposition

1:46:20 So this is perfect. We continue to produce, we've now forced everyone in NATO that everyone has to step up to their 2% of GDP which a lot of countries are not even half that then where's that money go? Right into our pockets Raytheon Boeing Then and we kill brown people in sandy areas No American troops This is what the drones have been about This is what it's been about! We're still gonna fire a 1 million dollar Hellfire missile every second That's, that it's going to be great. And everybody is in on the Toyota now we've noticed these Toyotas. Yes This is annoying NPR had a big piece which I would say

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Toyota Technicals, The Choice of Militants

An NPR report highlights the ubiquity of Toyota pickup trucks among rebel groups and militias in Libya and Iraq. The hosts joke that Toyota should use "the choice of terrorists" as a slogan, noting the trucks are often modified to carry heavy anti-aircraft weapons and rocket launchers.

toyota· hilux· tripoli· libya· npr· anti-aircraft weapons

1:47:03 borders on Not native advertising but product placement one of the modern tools of warfare for militants in Iraq or anywhere really is the pickup truck Perfect for carrying heavy loads with lots of room to mount weapons in the back and as we've reported before one brand In particular Toyota is a favorite of rebels and militias the world over they should use that as a slogan Toyota, the choice of terrorists the world over. Recently Toyota pickups were all over images from Libya as a coalition of militias there overran the capital Tripoli We're at a checkpoint on the outskirts of Tripoli You've got one two three four pickups mounted with heavy artillery machine guns on the back

1:47:47 All four of them are Toyotas. That's kind of a throwback to 2011, during the revolution Toyota was the ultimate rebel fighters car and they still are. They're very powerful, they'll tackle sand road off-road whatever you want it to do and it will do with weapons on board too Most of the pickups sport some variation of anti-aircraft weapons. Occasionally, long tubes pop out of the back. Those are rocket or missile launchers It's like a Batmobile. All of the above are on display at the gate of nearby militia base Fighters say they snatched the older pickups from Qaddafi forces Now that was the old ones but now we gotta move into the new ones that were seen in ISIL videos During the revolution, they bought the newer ones from Toyota The car maker opened its first dealership here in late 2010 Just open up a dealership This is a 5 minute report on the Toyotas A dealership! Hey rebel fighters

1:48:52 Come and get your Toyota here. Rebel Toyota I think that they could they can put some kind of gear in there saying easily mount the machine gun But I would love to have one of these surplus ones once the war is over, you know when I'm selling holes in it Yeah with a fire missile is $70,000 cheap what was a million dollars? Well, this is a good little point here somebody pointed out The US recently sold 209 Patriot missiles to Kuwait for 900 million dollars. So each of those things cost 4.3 million I don't think you can launch that from a drone though Maybe you can but no, no the another those are fired from the ground from a submarine. I thought the hellfires either Here is Dianne Feinstein confirming another

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Iran's Role, Wes Clark and Saudi Stability

Senator Dianne Feinstein and General Wes Clark discuss the regional implications of the ISIS threat. Feinstein suggests Iran's help might be useful, while Clark emphasizes the threat to Saudi Arabia and the need for Sunni troops on the ground to defeat the Islamic State.

dianne feinstein· wes clark· iran· saudi arabia· sunni

1:49:43 track of this war on ISIL. That what the change is, what the coalition of the willing is willing to do, what the Saudis are going to do if in fact and there's a difference of opinion on this Is Iran going to help? Iran has offered to help I for one think that's useful What other Middle Eastern countries are going to do and what would be the prime role for America So that's interesting. This is what we've been talking about, that Iran would be... and she says Iran which means she's not really in the know Ben then we have Wes Clark coming on The Telegraph all what we already have heard from him is always happy to do it I was happy to have the Wes Clark show back on the air How serious of a threat is this? Think it's a big threat to Saudi Arabia. I think it's a threat for peace and stability in the region

1:50:32 I think there's some threat to the US homeland from people who have served there or people who might want to go there but find it more convenient to strike in the United States. A lot of people who have Western passports, European passports American passports. They're asking hundreds of people. But I think that this is a force that has money it has military leadership and it has the ability to reach out and strike So if I were particularly the Saudi government, I would be particularly worried about this for hello Hello, Saudi Arabia. Hello, Saudi Arabia incoming incoming no American combat troops He's gonna rely on this coalition Coalition only way you can beat it is by having Sunni troops on the ground against Isis This is real we're taking sides here

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Terror Laptop of Doom, Bubonic Plague and TOCD

CNN reports on a "Terror Laptop of Doom" found in an ISIS hideout containing documents on weaponizing the bubonic plague and ricin. The hosts mock the report as sensationalist filler. They also consider "Tech Obsessive Compulsive Disorder" (TOCD) as a name for the modern smartphone addiction.

terror laptop· bubonic plague· ricin· cnn· tocd

1:51:20 There's a lot of action going on. This is actually kind of fun to watch I find it an very enjoyable show, but i'm completely worried about my fellow... See if they catch on then really and really start to figure out how they can get... see they're not managing the sickness properly yet this is why it's not trending because they're just not doing it right But if they really figure it out, I think you'll see people going into shock. Yes! Here's CNN trying... Tonight new information about a desire by ISIS to carry out an attack using biological agents at least one ISIS militant is connected to a plan to inflict mass casualties A scheme which could lend more urgency to the president's plan to eliminate the ISIS threat

1:52:14 After killing thousands of Iraqis and Syrians, and beheading two Americans could ISIS be planning something bigger? A US intelligence official tells CNN they're aware of specific details on a laptop. See this thing got no play The laptop? Yeah, this bogus laptop. Now they're just reading foreignpolicy.com's crap on the air. Captured from an ISIS hideout in northern Syria Hide out! It was a safe house before... According to Foreign Policy Magazine which accessed the laptop and first reported on it the computer has documents on how to carry out a mass attack Unfortunately not encrypted with that super Mujahideen encryption Among those documents How to make biological weapons Even how to weaponize the bubonic plague

1:52:58 the agent got the dispersal. Listen to this is an expert on bubonic plague and killing people with biological weapons, and they're standing on a street corner doing this interview. Right? Can it wipe out whole city blocks? It can wipe out cities if they're using a contagious agent that is micro-encapsulated in their right particle size? Yes. According to foreign policy, one of the documents on biological weapons says quote use small grenades with the virus and throw them in closed areas like metros. Hold on let me write that down. Use small grenades with this bubonic plate which I've microbiologized somehow and throw them into the metro it will

1:53:41 We'll remove entire cities. Soccer stadiums or entertainment centers. Note soccer stadiums, not football stadiums...soccer stadiums. Oh Europe false flag coming. In another file a video showing how to make ricin the laptop was the property. Walter White can make ricin that's not impressed me see this is what these people We have a jihadist labeled Mohammed S who joined ISIS after studying at two universities in Tunisia. They confirmed that the guy studied their physics and chemistry and that he left in 2011, and they don't know where he went What is interesting about this case is this guy had a science background I mean he was... Oh yeah He wasn't just looking into this because what you're really concerned about is A scientist really kind of adopting these Jihadi ideals Shut up already!

1:54:30 It's science! Terror Laptop of Doom, which went nowhere. We had such a nice jingle for it and just... So we have a guy, Anode505 one of the Twitter followers has a nice little one that we should at least consider. Tech Obsessive Compulsive Disorder TOCD Maybe Well it's not bad No it's not bad let me write it down TOCD Yeah hold on So... It'd be nice if we just have three letters instead of four, but... Obsessive... wait. Tech obsessive compulsive disorder? It's not good enough because it has to be- it's really about the social network and the smartphone. It's not just tech But well you know what? It's on the board! It's a good start. On the board very good start Yeah so this is really quite sad

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Robot Redundancy, 11 Percent Job Loss

A business news clip predicts that 11% of current employees will be made redundant by robots over the next five years. The hosts discuss how increasing the minimum wage might accelerate this transition to automation across various industries.

robots· automation· unemployment· minimum wage· manufacturing

1:55:34 It's hilarious. Well, I think it is really good for the general economy this is what its always been about. Here's the joke of it...it's not that good for the general economy. Why not? What it does is gets back to less than what we were spending. Maybe more! Then we have this little issue coming into play by this nervous Nelly who came on one of the business shows. Play the 11% clip which will kind of like maybe take it back a notch Hmm labor-saving technology and you would think that manufacturing would have the biggest expenditure and It actually is pretty constant across different industries. So about About 11% of the current employees are basically going to be made Redundant by robots over a little over the next five years good Okay, so eleven percent across the board if you look at that number of employees losing their jobs

1:56:31 That is equivalent to the amount of unemployed we have today. It's a huge chunk of the population and with minimum wage increasing, that is going to be ramped up so what we're talking about is more than 11%. Wow wow wow alright professor thank you very much! You know what? Someone has got to get voted off the island might as well be the eleven percent I don't care. Eleven percent?! Take your phone and go away Indiscriminate narrative acceptance disorder. No, that's too complicated I can't remember it you just said it like could repeat it back Yeah, let's put on the list yeah, but this is and so many people want this they want oh This is just making our show better So the president showed up on Chuck Todd This was on this is Chucky's chips chips Yeah

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Chuck Todd as Casper Milquetoast, The Exhausted President

Adam Curry compares new *Meet the Press* host Chuck Todd to the 1920s cartoon character "Casper Milquetoast," a timid and weak figure. In an interview, Todd asks Obama if he is "exhausted," allowing the president to deliver a rehearsed speech about his global responsibilities regarding Ukraine, ISIS, and Ebola.

chuck todd· nbc· casper milquetoast· ebola· ukraine

1:57:30 Chuck Todd, who I've now determined is a version...I'm going to try to reintroduce this character into the public consciousness or at least in the agenda consciousness. A character that was 1920s through about 1950 cartoon character named Casper Milk Toast. Milk toast of course! And this is Chuck Todd. I didn't realize it until somebody said, oh, Chuck Todd's gonna be fired because of stupid questions He's toast! Somebody said. Yeah exactly he's milk toast Yes Casper Milktoast! He will not get fired he's perfect Do you want explain Casper Milktoast briefly? I think it would be important. Caspar Milktoast was this wimp A woos that always just wouldn't make a statement He was always beating around the bush He was the original politically correct person and this was in the 20s

1:58:15 And this came, it was also ran under the cartoon that was called The Timid Soul by a very famous cartoonist at the time who is considered kind of the Mark Twain of cartooning. He just played this wimp, his outright you know oh I can't do this or that and he's just a scared woos in fact he was described as such back then And well, not really. But this is where the milk toast saying comes from? Yes and it's spelled M-I-L-Q-U-E toast right and his caspar c-a-s-p-a-r you can look him up on the Wikipedia he is very interesting but so I've decided that Chuck Todd

1:58:52 is this guy and he's going to be perfect for NBC. So listen to this, this is the Chuck Todd and The Exhausted query This is where he has Obama He tries to ask a hard question And then just Obama brushes him off and continues chatting Plenty of supporters of yours say to me that he looks exhausted Are you exhausted? You know I actually feel energized about the opportunities that we've got. There are days where I'm not getting enough sleep because we got a lot on our plate. When you're president of the United States, you're not just dealing with the United States as we saw during the NATO summit

1:59:38 If there's a problem in Ukraine, we're the ones who are expected to mobilize the world community to isolate Russia. That's right! Put pressure and support Ukrainians and vindicate the principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity Shut up! that we stand for If there's a problem in the Middle East, the expectation is that we create the coalitions to deal with a problem like ISIL. If there's an issue in Africa around Ebola, uh...we need to help mobilize that public health infrastructure." You should be wearing a cape! Don't you think? A big super-cape! And so this is exactly what the progressives liberals whatever you want to call it, the Obama bots like my friends here

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Obot Dinners, Joe Scarborough and Israeli Moon Bases

The hosts discuss the "Obot" (Obama-bot) culture and the format of MSNBC's *Morning Joe*. Dvorak is reminded of a past claim about "Israeli moon bases," which a listener identified as originating in Episode 141, leading to a brief moment of vindication for Curry.

obots· joe scarborough· msnbc· israeli moon bases· episode 141

2:00:25 This is...even though the professor moved away, the artist wants to introduce a new person and wants to rekindle the Obot sessions. The dinners. I think I have to go! I need to tap into how they are handling this because they're going to say no drama Obama's gonna go in there you know this is our job as who we are as Americans which And I will be able to throw all these things at them. It's crazy! Not just me, it's my staff also that wear... Our inbox gets pretty high. I got asked to adjourn that. Gets pretty high? What kind of metaphor is that for your inbox? Foal maybe or maybe he means an actual paper inbox They print out the emails. I don't know what's going on there Vacation made this statement on foley you went and golfed Do ya do want that back You know it is always a challenge when

2:01:17 Yeah, here's the challenge that he really had. His real bosses. Go away boy! He's real bosses, he's real bosses. The bankers... No we're not- you can't play? No, we don't want your bullcrap with your helicopters and go away We have a game here Son Move off

2:01:53 Yeah, that's exactly what that means. I'm sorry the boy thing came out very racist but i think that may be the case! No no, thats what they would say. You were just mocking them. I am mocking of course. Im sure they'd say something like that Anyway so we go on and now they have a little table And then Chuck Todd sits in the middle and there is two people on either side Is this new in the format? Think that this way they're doing this new. They got new people very dangerous to do this very dangerous You gotta be ease into the old format don't just go changing everything I don't know you know, I never watch the show but anyway They had the they have the I don't remember seeing it like this. I remember seeing a little more modern This is the old-fashioned guy in the middle two on each side that is very old Right nobody does that so anyway? He's got the two guys Scarborough was one of them then he's got a Chuck Scarborough no

2:02:47 No. Yeah! Chuck Scarborough from New York Five? No, you must have been uh... no the Scarborough guy that's on the MSNBC morning Joe That's not Chuck Joe?! You said Chuck I didn't say Chuck YOU said Chuck I said Scarborough You said Chuck Scarborough I know I said Chuck Scarborough and you said yeah it was Joe nevermind Joe anyway the point Israeli moon bases He'll be sorry if he keeps mocking me about that Episode 141 you were right What do you mean I was right? Someone...I haven't checked it. Someone said it was 141 a long time ago Yeah, what happened when I said Israeli moon bases so but I haven't checked it But I believe any random Twitter person over you any day So you said Israeli moon bases were you telling in episode 141 I stand corrected. I haven't checked it, but I believe it

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Political "Optics" and Compartmentalization

The hosts deconstruct the repetitive use of the words "optics" and "compartmentalization" by political pundits on NBC and MSNBC. They argue these terms are "insider code" used by consultants and politicians to describe how events are perceived or distorted for public consumption.

optics· compartmentalization· chuck todd· joe scarborough· beltway

2:03:39 Well, I feel very good now. Very vindicated because I was challenged when...I absolutely remember this and people kept reminding me of it Let me just tell you that i'm feeling very weak right now. I'm sharting That's fine You'll be feel better in a minute Back to this So really Chuck's chuck in the middle has got this guy on his right that is A bold clone of Chuck He's got that same little beard that little round goat ear Exactly the same. It's like it was kind of creepy to see it anyway So I have a clip and I want to see if you can spot Spot the odd usage Of a single term that, to be honest about it...I've never heard before let alone heard a million times now on this little exchange between Chuck and these other people that were very cons- they were trying to deconstruct his screw up with the Foley

2:04:35 the Foley commentary which apparently... You mean the JV, the junior varsity? The thing that Chuck Todd didn't. It was a castor milk toast could not really talk to the president about except mention and passing them back off so let's listen to this and look for the term I want you tell me the term Okay, calm I want to bring back Joe Amy Mia and Stan here. Yeah Let me start with you the president talking optics when he does He hates that aspect of the job. He admitted it It was sort of that sort of a very honest moment

2:05:13 I remember when you covered President Obama in 2008, or Canada-Obama when he was running. He did get the optics then right? We like Scoot Optics! But he got the theater of politics and this idea that somehow he doesn't get it now I think he gets it, i think he probably just doesn't care at this point and is fine with blaming the press. Presidents do have to compartmentalize. That's a fact of the matter if you don't you could never go to sleep. They do have to compartmentalize so I was glad... It was good to hear the president say that I'm not really good at it, I should be better at optics

2:05:51 That's hard for him. You know, Stan it is important to note that he is basically saying I messed up the optics He is not saying I shouldn't have done the golf He is basically saying look...I deal with this all of time you guys just had a different picture Yeah and they've had this problem throughout particularly last couple of years since the last election but i mean it's been a systemic problem for the administration where they don't quite understand that these things matter to people does matter to see the president being serious leaving something like that and not being out you know laughing and joking with his friends even though we are working most americans get that he can compartmentalize in that you know this does not necessarily impact is ability to do the job it matters still for them psychological or is on the west side when elections i mean this guy has what

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Venture Capitalist Lingo, Groupthink and Deception

Curry notes that he has heard high-level Silicon Valley investors using the term "optics" in the same way as D.C. politicians. The hosts argue that this shared vocabulary is evidence of groupthink and a rigged system where the media and political elite signal their membership in the same "club."

venture capital· silicon valley· groupthink· merriam-webster· optics

2:06:35 he's been attacked for not getting optics since 2008 I have an opinion on this. This is, uh... Well you go first! I have an opinion. First of all it's the stupidest conversation i've ever heard probably for six months compartmentalized and optics which is some sort of an insider's beltway- I don't even know if it's that because I never heard this used like this before over and over again in exchange for the word appearance appearances, maybe. Whatever the case is it's like some sort of a consultant term or something that some douchebag would say in a meeting I found it like a conversation of what planet are these idiots from? This word optics...I have heard on a conference call within the past couple months with very high level very famous

2:07:34 Silicon Valley investors, very rich and who know Obama personally. And they are Democrats and they were using this word...and I think it's just one of those things but to me optics is means that you're distorting the light path or you're doing something scientific with optics with lenses So I think the code, the way I interpret it is you are trying to portray something... ...to the public and you have your magic wiki lenses in front of it. You're trying to laser focus beam whatever you're trying to do distort the image. I think it means distortion optics but I know what they may mean by saying okay this is how it looks but why not just say it would look bad? Now the optics-I think this is true code that was

2:08:36 pretty outrageous how many times they used it. Doesn't anyone think to themselves, crap I shouldn't use that word? I wonder about that myself. There's more evidence, and I could have made that clip longer. They did it in the war? Optics! Optics! Well he is aware of the optics... well they used to be more aware of the optics... well the optics... we could have done this with the optics. And was floored by this particular... and to be honest about it, I've never heard it used before. You got lucky you got to hear it when you picked up on it first time. I actually mentioned this to you when...doesn't matter, but I remember you and I having a conversation. Well apparently it wasn't pounded home like listening to these guys use it over and over and over all of them they all used it Here's optics The scientific study of sight and the behavior of light or the properties of transmission and deflection of other forms of radiation

2:09:35 And then it has North America typically in a political context, the way in which an event or course of action is perceived by the public. So I would change that definition to the way the public is deceived by politicians. That's why... The fact that it's good. That is in the dictionary there as that definition which is what we just discussed means it's been around a lot longer and apparently I was not paying attention I've never heard of you so much on television. That is, by the way that is the Google when you just throw it into Google if you go to dictionary Merriam-Webster does not have this definition okay? So it's new this is a new thing that these and this came from consultants I'm sure of it yeah and the fact that venture capitalists would be and I'm saying they're the fact um you get it buzz me on this. I do have to nail ya uh

2:10:27 I don't know how else to get to the sentence, but venture capitalists are using the term and they are extremely susceptible to language change based on meetings with consultants and advisors. And groupthink! So they'll go to conferences and somebody uses the term a lot... Boom! They're using it the next day. Exactly exactly well that's a good catch Yeah, I was kind of...I'm just interested in the...I hope I don't hear it much more because it's very annoying. I think it's an annoying term to hear when they just use what you're talking about—appearances or theater or a couple other things. Because I think they really mean the distortion of the light to the public not how the public perceives something

2:11:17 I don't know that these guys, Scarborough and... They're all come on! Scarborough is a politician. They're all in the circuit. Come on John this whole game is so rigged. Everybody is... Then they are discussing stuff in front of the public on two levels Yeah, and the level that they're discussing amongst themselves is not the level that the public hearing That's what you hear when pooper and Tapper laugh about these so-called advisors. They're like advisers right and Cooper goes yeah Right we know but doesn't discuss it Doesn't say he's advised them. Yeah, they are just essentially buffaloing in the public with this is Public by talking at two levels like this let me point out

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Mainstream Media Control, Global Post and Boston Connections

The hosts conclude that the mainstream media is fully "in on it," acting as a controlled propaganda arm for the government. They point to the "Boston connection" with Global Post and the selective propagation of shocking videos as evidence of a coordinated effort to manipulate public opinion.

mainstream media· global post· boston· beheading videos· propaganda

2:12:02 that you say it's never going to be up to that level. No, no the so the military, the consultants, the advisors, the academies of the world and there's a couple others they charge so much money to do this work It is a huge bonanza. It gets thrown into this 500 million dollar, you know counterterrorism fund Its total slush fund it's it is it is a big Bonanza what is happening here Toyota's in on everybody's in on it John everybody he is rocking this they love it does well Well yes No So good You're indicating at some level that and I'm or if you're not I'm going to do it now That these douchebags on this show

2:12:47 Talking amongst themselves. They're not the media there's nobody's meeting the press is the press talking a month to amongst itself It looks like after an interview somebody did they are Indicating by using the word optics optics optics that they're in yes, sir Dave They went to the right the right meetings that they can now and they're indicating To each other that their members of the club of some club. Yes That is exactly what you're hearing. I see no difference between them saying optics, optics and Pooper and Tapper laughing at the advisors while not sharing the joke." Yes! This is what astounds me because I've tried to move...I've tried to place my conspiratorial thinking into a certain box and be very careful just for my own credibility. You know this these things will always come back too that I have a set of thinking about but

2:13:41 To me, it's becoming more and more evident with every passing day that the mainstream media really is in on it. And it really IS controlled! It is so evident... You know facebook.com slash carolcnn she's cute she just not she dumb yeah this is why Donna Brazile she's not in the meeting They expect her to just say, hey look you're black, you know, you're a democrat. Go say nice things about the president go on CNN This is how they think by the way this is not me this is how they think and she screws it up They've pulled her off after an hour of that crap she didn't say goodbye She was gone. She was loser. She couldn't handle it because wasn't at the meeting

2:14:21 Now there are meetings going on and it's really, really rampant. And I find it hard to believe that this is something I would have said six years ago, mainstream media is all in! But it seems from all evidence I'm seeing that it's true. Which is why we have an audience that enjoys the simple fact that we can deconstruct this and pull it out without limits. It's critical, I think...I don't know why our skills are so good at spotting this stuff but it at least to me not always but often these things stand out like a sore thumb and i'm stunned people aren't noticing well the 94 percent of all Americans who had heard about the videos if you know it's very difficult even the smart people I know say oh I don't want to watch the video

2:15:18 And it's so easy to dupe people by...I mean, we've seen beheading videos. We've seen people getting... I find the videos where there are guys sitting in a row and they get shot through the back of the head? It's very shocking to see that! That's real but that's not being propagated because you know if not our actors, no one famous. We needed our global post boys. The Boston Connection which I will point out is very The Boston connection is becoming extremely annoying. Global Post is from Boston, the... Here's this... I didn't want to...I'll save this until after the break but let's talk about our model first and then I'll get into all of that as we close out the segment I think we should probably do that.

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Donation Segment, Birthday Karma and Divorce Settlements

The hosts acknowledge various donations from listeners in Connecticut, Puerto Rico, Portugal, and Belgium. They grant "divorce settlement karma" to a listener in Belgium and discuss the "Value for Value" model as a conduit for truth-seeking individuals.

value for value· karma· lgy· belgium· portugal· divorce

2:16:10 I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that! Oh yeah, that'd be fab! And I do want to point out that we have a global intelligence network and people contribute to this show from all walks of life if there's something we need an expert on that expert is there Many of them go anonymous, they don't want to be credited on the show. Most of them... a lot of them not Elbowsome, but a lot of them. And other people contribute by keeping us in business

2:16:53 It's kind of a network ourselves because we, these people communicate with each other. Oh yeah and it's a conduit for understanding what's going on for people who want to know that what's going on. A lot of people don't care most people don't care they got their little Facebook thing they got their iPhones in front of them they don't care if you present this show to him then we don't get it. I'm trying to ignore that because it's too upsetting and I think is where our rulers really want us to be, just in a non-caring mode. So all they have to do is just make the optics look right and you're good to go! It's that simple! Make the optics true—maybe that's how we present it—and then we have no argument. Exactly

2:17:44 So let's thank a few people that helped us out with show 651, including Christopher Dolan who came in with one of my favorite donations. One two three four five and he is in Berlin Connecticut and he wants to thank us for the best podcast in the universe and he wants luck with the ladies. We'll give you some luck with the ladies Karma coming up at me at the end yes we will most definitely Hugh Becker one two three four five nice isn't actually in Puerto Rico And he wants to give karma to everybody who listens to the show. You might want to look over his notes because he's got a couple of interesting things in here. Let me see, what do we have? Oh, but you told us about NATO backwards, OTANIA, Organização de Tratado de Aleves etc., right? I guess it is yeah... more than a few people use that. Rui Salgado in Guimaras Portugal

2:18:38 And that's not pronounced that way. Because the Portuguese pronounce things oddly, that would be more closer to Spanish maybe. Another one two three four five... And he says his hope is not too late wishing Adam a happy birthday. Not at all! And he says, you guys have changed my view on media and educated me on the value of healthy cynicism and critical thinking... All while putting on an amazing show I don't know about amazing Amazing It's amazing! I'll be forever grateful Please, and he's on the birthday list Oh my dang! John Knowles in Tennessee

2:19:15 Murfreesboro, Murfreesboro. $111 and 11 cents which is not we don't get that as much. Not a lot anymore no. Matthew Helley. Mathew? Mathew Helly. Mathew. Yeah, Gesundheit I'm sweating i have the fevers back 110 dollars and 69 cents if i start vomiting then then i could have ebola right Now you don't have Ebola. Sure is my common core donation 10 because of your friend 5 and 6 if you can decompress 69 because it adds up to 15 okay absolutely sure what he's talking about. Oh bro! And next yeah but I didn't realize hello? Yeah well, you know i'm just trying to keep up with everything give me a second You know I should just have these in the jingle machine

2:20:07 I love that. That's a great one. Steven Pelsmarkers in Belgium, $109 and 14 cents his note reads, ITM gentlemen inspirational creators of the BP ITU Felt compelled to donate today, September 10th 2014. As those numbers add up to... Imagine the number! That's right I have a great show i would love some ongoing divorce settlement karma To help decide the outstanding financial and child custody issues reasonably even and fair All the lawyers do is suck us dry

2:20:56 What a job. He needs an LGY and a Karma, we have to give him one of course on the spot. Well yeah I agree i think we should do an LGY right now for him. You've got karma! Yeah send that out to you Grand Duke Scott Edmunds stun in San Diego California $101 EA of Woodland Hills $100.65 Sir Don D. Tomaso DiTorante I see 166, is it just me? $100 and 66 cents Don D. Tomaso DiTorante Sorry wrong one $100 in Kettleby on Terraces for his son's knighthood Right Well he'll take care of the numbers I'm sure Joshua Borkland in Casper Wyoming 88 Yeah nailed at that time Darryl

CHAPTER 48 / 62 Discussion

Texas Meetups, Birthday Lists and Alan Bean

Adam Curry and John Dvorak thank more donors from Illinois, Nevada, and Texas. They discuss potential meetups in Texas and acknowledge Sir Alan Bean in Oakland, who sends a hand-written check every month.

texas· meetup· birthday· alan bean· oakland

2:21:59 Coquillette. Coquelette, yeah I think that's it. Or Portland Illinois at 7777. Saka 7s that's for our birthday. 26th of October? Yeah 26th of October. Kaelin and we're doing a show on that day. That's right. Kaelin Nistore in Northville Minnesota Minnesota, Michigan. Sorry. Sir Brian Ferguson in Foothill Ranch California $77.77 Christine Zuckerman in Lost Wages Nevada $77.77 Adam Colby $75 in Menasha Wisconsin

2:22:39 Brian Williams, is Sir Brian Williams in Streamwood Illinois? 73-73. 73's to him. Jetson Noel in Oxford Mississippi 6680 Jaysh which is the Reagan alternative we have all of two people that jumped on board with that Jason Daniel 6680 in Dallas Texas Dallas nuts Dallas nuts, Texas nuts. Michael Dwyer in Bryan, Texas we have look at this on the spreadsheet that just by coincidence is three Texans and a row he's double niggles on the dime and Armando Vieira in Buda. That is I miss you Armando that's our mailman right? Yeah but really miss him 5033 well why don't you go to have a beer with him buy them a beer yeah Patrick or do a meet up down there

2:23:29 Do a Texas meetup. Patrick Banks in Bangston, Sweden $50 and 33 cents. Tyneson. Tyneson. Tyneson. In Grave. Grave. Grave. We can do this until we're dead, but I love doing that with you. Okay Brian said Holland obviously Netherlands a

2:24:15 Paul Vela, Sir Paul Vela if I'm not mistaken Milton Keynes UK so we have two U.K.'s in a row Parts Unknown Antonio McMullen $50 David Pete and we have a screw up of his something or the birthday from last time Did we fix that? Yes it's on the list to make good It was a big issue I think that is one of the letters I lost Jan van der Lijn Assen John Van Der Laan, Austin. John Van Der Laan, Austin! Yeah yeah very good sir and finally Sir Alan Bean over here in Oakland our regular he writes a check out by hand every month on the dot and sends it over and that we only thank them and all the other people who gave lesser amounts to show

2:25:06 651 and reminds you that we do have another show coming up on Sunday. The shows have been quite good recently There's a lot of good stuff in here You're not gonna hear it anyplace else and it goes on forever It never stops Never stop goes on for all the show so you might as well help us keep this going And we will do the best job that you ever heard is the best podcast in the universe is fact That is a fact Dvorak org slash and jobs jobs jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma." Yeah, there you go everybody. Karma. Now I'm just going to read this before i get into it so Carolyn Pete donated $94.54 via check we missed her 60th birthday call out on September 4th and so was it her birthday or his birthday?

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Ageism in Retail, 60th Birthdays and Iranian News

The hosts apologize for missing a 60th birthday shout-out for Carolyn Peet. This leads to a discussion about ageism in retail, specifically the use of terms like "young lady" or "young man" for seniors. Dvorak also mentions getting Iranian news from a friend who travels to Tehran frequently.

ageism· 60th birthday· tehran· iran· retail

2:25:56 Well, it doesn't was not clear missed her boat says missed her 60th birthday call. I think that's what happened Let me take a look at there is an email from her We're gonna because I only have the note that will take the time to look at the email I don't want to screw this up You know no No Oh by the way people if you want to be on the birthday list mention that in your note when you make your donation Don't just even let me say if it's my birthday now That's not gonna work I'm going to read it and you can figure out whose birthday it is. It sure doesn't pay to have your 60th birthday on the day after Adam's 50th! I sent a check for $94,554 which is good get it she says just so I get my birthday shout-out on MY BIRTHDAY. So its her birthday and we really apologize for this no mention at all until Sunday show where you listed the amount but NO BIRTHDAY!!!

2:26:43 So anyway, please add my donation to my husband's account. David P., he gets the credit and she gets a birthday call out and loves the show hope you never stop as long people like you support us and don't mind us missing a birthday once in awhile 60th by the way which is a nasty one. You would know! Is it depressing? No not at all Why do you say it's a nasty one It just because people are saying ohhhh you old You know, oh senior citizen. I'm going to tell you here's something when everyone out there who works in retail or anything like this

2:27:21 You go buy something, and the guy at the counter says that'll be five dollars young man. To who? to you?! Yeah! Fuck you is what I'd say. Yeah! Douchebag Right! Huh... How- how bad would throw it out of the- fuck you. Sorry said it twice. Sincerely. I'm not- I don't want just where's your manager This is ageism if you might as well just say boy to a black man It's an ISM yeah same thing. That's horrible My first boss... And they do it with women too, they say young lady. I watched it on television and saw somebody do this It was on one of the game shows Somebody comes down and says come on now, oh! So where are you from young lady? The woman was 70 Yeah that's messed up

2:28:06 Yeah, and it happens commonly. I don't know where it came from but it's...and I never noticed it before But yeah, I notice that now because this happens to me about once every few months And just see I do that once every few months. Oh man This is reason for you know concealed weapon Mm-hmm Just pull that out say that again punk? Yeah It's kind of a southern thing kind of a Texas thing If a woman unknown to me asks me something or I need to confirm something, say yes ma'am. But if I say ma'am which i think makes women feel old and crappy but it used to be just polite and I think now its probably throws them off Well I know that 20-somethings women really hate it Yeah They consider some sort of insult

2:28:59 Well, my former...my first boss Lex who has all the war holes and all that. He's 72 then he was at my birthday with his 40 year old Persian princess I might point out which is where i get all my Iranian news from because she travels to Tehran all the time believe me they're like a big fence around it and everyone's like ready to kill Americans yeah no if you go there you can go there yeah um but he said dude This should be your last big birthday party. It says, you 60 or 65 people are dead they can't show up anymore that all dried up and decrepit looking so it'll just bum you out don't do it and I'm taking that to heart. I think the 50 is it? That's a great everyone still look good we partied was nice done what'd you think yeah yeah I would say this right okay thank you for your courage there

CHAPTER 50 / 62 Discussion

Knighting of Sir Hugo Becker and Sir Hey Idiot

The hosts officially knight Hugo Becker and "Hey Idiot" of Atlas McDowell for their $1,000+ donations. They also mention a billboard in Times Square by "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" showing the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7.

knighthood· hugo becker· atlas mcdowell· world trade center 7· 9/11

2:30:01 And we make good on Carolyn Peet's birthday. Sorry for missing her big six-oh! Happy Birthday from your buddies here, PG Kellett turned 50 on the 9th and Reese Salgado celebrated on September 7th. Happy Birthday from all your friends here at The Best Podcast in the Universe Then we have two nightings, Hugo Becker and Hey Idiot from Atlas McDowell. So I brought it back with me in the suitcase not a problem now that i'm a trusted traveler and there's yours good we got that Hugo Becker, come on down along with Hey Idiot from Atlas MacDowell. Both of you have contributed to no agenda in the amount of $1,000 or more and therefore you can be welcomed to the round table of The Knights and Dames And I hereby pronounce thee Sir Hugo Becker and Sir Hey Idiot of Atlas MacDowell gentlemen for you we've got hookers & blow rempoys and chardonnay root beer and Legos ass cream and bear fillings girlfriend experience with good bourbon porn stars and pot opium and warm orange juice three gay shows

2:31:00 Three geishas and a bucket of fried chicken, vodka and vanilla, bong hits and bourbon ore. There's always the mutton in me which always seems to be the one that I wind up last with Go to noagenination.com slash rings your well-deserved jewelry And thank you very much Today on Times Square there is big billboard That I think the architects and engineers for 9 11 paid for And it shows a loop, a video loop of Trade Tower 7 in freefall collapse. I think it says... Let me look at the article here. But I thought the image wasn't all that great. It's little confusing the way they did it but it says Did you know a third tower fell on 9-11? Then it shows as their website address then it shows the tower falling. Though I'm glad that someone still doing that

2:32:01 Because that is one of their still doing it all over the place that one guy who's floating around the architects for 9-11 truth Lots of them. Yeah, they're finally focusing on that tower yeah, you know fell fell down No apparent reason yeah, and we so that would be nice to understand MSNBC this morning was quite disturbing They reared in real time times synchronized The NBC Today show broadcast very interesting to Relive that yeah, it was I was doing editing clips during this morning But that's what you do the show later than I do well even though. It sounds like we're doing at the same time in fact Very very annoying how it just won't go away Yeah, I want to do a light-hearted clip

CHAPTER 51 / 62 Discussion

Tide Sport Commercial, Puberty and Filler

The hosts play a "strange" 30-second commercial for Tide Sport that features a mother talking about the smell of her son's clothes during puberty. They dismiss the clip as "filler" used to transition between segments.

tide sport· commercial· puberty· soap operas· filler

2:32:59 This was a, I was flipping around and i ran into this commercial. This is a type that I use the word weird in the title yeah this commercial is on daytime television during soap operas which of course soap opera's but it's a tight commercial isn't that a coincidence yes but I found this to be one of the strangest commercials and we it's worth Trying to understand this woman who's acts like she's kind of a drunk housewife But this is a very short. I think it's 15 seconds or maybe 30 It's a third okay ways to thirty and it is a very very strange commercial

2:33:37 With kids you expect stuff like grass stains, but nobody warned me about this. The boys start to smell! What? You're becoming a man! This bag filled with his baseball clothes let's just say it's got a powerful scent But with Tide Sport I just throw the bag right in the wash close and all and it comes out fresh as a daisy Makes this puberty thing easier on all of us, right? Puberty makes it fun to say Acne is coming next I'm surprised they didn't mention wet dreams. What do you got to say? Anyway, that was... Okay. Well that was what we call filler. Yeah totally filler! I have another bill that i'd like to discuss actually it's a joint resolution so that's an SJ Senate Joint Resolution Number 19 and here is Senator Grassley complaining about this is a Reid's

CHAPTER 52 / 62 Discussion

First Amendment Proposal, Harry Reid and Campaign Finance

Senator Chuck Grassley criticizes a proposal by Harry Reid to amend the First Amendment to allow Congress to regulate campaign spending. The hosts read the text of the joint resolution, which aims to limit the influence of corporations and "artificial entities" in elections, noting it is a response to the Citizens United ruling.

harry reed· first amendment· bill of rights· campaign finance· citizens united

2:34:51 First Amendment proposal. Mr President, with all the problems facing the country and the world The majority has decided that the time has come to cut back on the Bill of Rights To be amended for the first time in our history We hear from the other side repeatedly That they revere the Constitution But they want to restrict the core Of free speech That is speech that allows a self-governing people to choose in elections the people who will represent them. This proposed amendment would enshrine in our Constitution, the ability of elected officials to criminally punish those who would dare to criticize them more than the elected officials think is reasonable." Sounds legit? The amendment being proposed

2:35:50 would put those who would engage in political speech on notice that they may be prosecuted for being active citizens in our democracy. The First Amendment creates a marketplace of ideas when people disagree on political speech competing voices respond to each other and the public then decides When speeches free People are not shut up with the threat of jail if government thinks they speak too much. Now, I don't think that this will really make it anywhere because an amendment is very difficult but it just gives you the thinking and I do want to read a few because no one else will do this maybe congressional dish girl This is the joint resolution proposing an amendment to the constitution. She only does House stuff

2:36:43 Only House stuff? Yep. Okay, congressional... Alright. So they have a lot of stuff. The following articles propose as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of these several states." Which is why it makes it so difficult to get a constitutional amendment through. Purposely so! Section 1. To advance democratic self-government and political equality, and to protect the integrity of government and the electoral process, Congress and the states may regulate and set reasonable limits on the raising and spending of money by candidates and others to influence elections

2:37:23 Section 2. Congress and the state shall have power to implement and enforce this article by appropriate legislation, it may distinguish between natural persons and corporations or other artificial entities created by law including by prohibiting such entities from spending money to influence elections. Section 3. Nothing in this article shall be construed to grant congress or the states the power to abridge the freedom of the press So the idea here is there will be a limit and New York has already started some of this with, you know... You have to report. That's how it starts. Report your what you've spent but this is of course... It's been discussed and the Supreme Court has talked about this to no end. But you cannot do this

2:38:13 Well, you know this is not a new topic for us. We've actually discussed this exact... But here's the now Reid has put in the actual paperwork which is new Not discussed by the way. Yeah, it's about the Koch brothers It's about Citizens United. He doesn't really mention Doesn't really mention If you look at the list of all the great big donors, there's one at the top that is way... The Koch brothers aren't even. I think they're in the top 10 maybe but they're not the big spenders now. There are a couple organizations mostly to support the Democrats that this is part of campaign finance. I don't know what they're trying to accomplish.

CHAPTER 53 / 62 Discussion

Chicago Metra Vigilance, 9/11 Anniversary

A recording from the Chicago Metra rail system reminds passengers to remain "vigilant" on the anniversary of September 11th. The hosts mock the "if you see something, say something" mantra as a tool for maintaining a state of fear.

chicago· metra· 9/11· terrorism· vigilance

2:38:59 They're just assholes who get in Congress. They don't want to compete anymore, they just say I'm here and you know I don't want to have to deal with all these guys coming after me getting voted out. It's got a good deal going on and then they blame the Koch brothers... You know? And they've uh.. I dunno. It's annoying no it's not. I just wanted to point it out. I got a sound clip this morning from one of our producers, SysAdmin Mark in Chicago And they have the Metra. Is the Metra, is that like a shopping center or something? I don't know anything about the Metro. Let me just check. Chicago...Metro...Metrorail. Oh! Metrorail of course. The Chicago Rail. There you go. Okay and he recorded it this is a very futuristic Hey Citizens type of recording

2:39:54 that he was... In the subway, elevated. Yes and he recorded this this morning. Attention please today is the anniversary of September 11th 2001. Metro asks that you remain vigilant to your surroundings and notify metro employees if anything suspicious If you see something, say something. I just love it! If you see something, say something... I just love be vigilant on this anniversary of September 11th This is terrorism You can't do this terrorism Now Rand Paul who i don't like Had a very funny there was a hearing

CHAPTER 54 / 62 Discussion

Police Militarization, 12,000 Bayonets and School Evacuations

During a Senate hearing, Rand Paul questions why the Department of Defense has provided 12,000 bayonets to local police departments through the 1033 program. The hosts joke that police chiefs likely order them because they are only $1 each, and they discuss the absurdity of using armored vehicles for school evacuations.

rand paul· police militarization· bayonets· 1033 program· school shooting

2:40:41 about the militarization of the police departments and how, you know this is an obvious extension of military industrial complex where oh yeah it's surplus. No it was just using tax dollars to just sell more crap into the police forces who of course then look like armies And there were two clips that came out of this I thought was very very funny First I had no idea that this is part of the equipment that is being given, granted to police departments. Mr. Estevez in the NPR investigation of the 1033 program they list that 12,000 bayonets have been given out what purpose are bayonets being given out for?

2:41:32 Senator, bayonets are available under the program. I can't answer what a local police force would need a bayonet for. I can give you an answer none No, to stick citizens with obviously. Come on! So what's President Obama's administration position on handing out bayonets to the police forces? Shut up slave and we'll stick this bayonet up your butt It's on your list you guys create the list You're gonna take it off the list We're gonna keep doing it We are going look at what we are providing under the administration's review of all these programs so its unclear at this point whether president obama approves 12 thousand bayonets being given out

2:42:10 I would think you can make that decision last week. I think we need to review all the equipment that we're providing, Senator and as i said We the Department of Defense do not push any of this equipment on any police force The states decide what they need! I love it but I think that's so old-fashioned bayonets Where are bayonets still used and even ISIL doesn't have bayonets? No, why would you guys hate you know a K whatever model they're using and Bayonet on those things high-five like World War one. I love that bayonets You know what there do you know what if you're in the police department just from my some understanding of government work

2:42:53 You're at the police department and they got these bayonets for sale on the list. You get a list of stuff you can get, and they're cheap like they have this one of these giant troop things some little area there was a report on this day had this big armored and they painted it white and put a Red Cross thing on the side, they're gonna use it to evacuate kids in case there's like school shooting. And can the kids will be safe in this thing? It holds like two classrooms. And you know that makes some logical sense. They cost them $5,000. This thing is probably a $250,000 vehicle.

2:43:28 Well, the bayonets are probably on the list with a similar discount. Bayonet's $1. So I'm the police chief and I'm looking at the list and I'm going hey Bill these bayonets they got bayonets on this is for a dollar Hey man! I want one too! Get me one! Do they even make- And so all of these guys order 25 bayonets in their hand out to the cops The cops take them home And they have them in the kitchen or something, and use them to slice beef. They use it in the barbecue and then cut this huge bayonet! I think they should hand out mace balls. They'd buy em', take em' home

CHAPTER 55 / 62 Discussion

Riot Suppression Gear, FEMA Grants and Noncompliance

A clip from the Senate hearing reveals that certain protective gear provided by FEMA grants is technically prohibited from being used for "riot suppression." The hosts discuss the irony of this rule given the recent images of militarized police responses to protests in Missouri.

fema· riot suppression· ferguson· missouri· grants

2:44:05 And for those of you who don't know, a mace ball is one of those chains with a grip and... Paul Jay Yeah. With a big horrible ball with points on it. John Ligato So there was something else that I learned from Senator Paul that I did not know about this gear. Paul Jay In FEMA's authorized equipment list there are actually written descriptions for how the equipment should be used and it says it specifically not supposed to be used for riot suppression Mr. Kamoy, is that true? That it's not supposed to be used for riot suppression and how do you plan on policing that since the images show us clearly large pieces of equipment that were bought with your grants being used in that riot suppression? Senator Paul, that is... Or protest suppression rather. That is accurate

2:44:47 The categories of personal protective equipment that include helmets, ear and eye protection, ballistics. Personal protective equipment is a prohibition in the authorized equipment list that is not to be used for ride suppression. And what will you do about it? We're going to follow the lead of the Department of Justice's investigation about the facts we're gonna work with the state of Missouri to determine what pieces of equipment were grant funded. And then we have a range of remedies available to us should there be any finding of noncompliance with those requirements, those include everything from corrective action plans to ensure it doesn't happen again, recruitment funds so will look very closely at the facts

2:45:32 uh... but we're gonna allow the investigation to run its course and determine what the appropriate remedies so i didn't know that there was not allowed to be used as i think that's what is used for exclusively yes it was for but it makes no sense interesting can use protective gear riots all day when you go now we bought this in debt he has a home on security kit protect those things off yesterday or their assets will reduce it for instead just look cool I guess, oh no. There was one more from the Hill there was a couple of interesting long sessions the IRS stuff continues of course it's just more and but no one even reports on this anymore i don't think because yeah this is how you increase the fever of the sickness

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IRS Compliance, John Koskinen and Affordable Care Act

IRS Commissioner John Koskinen is questioned in Congress about the recapture of ineligible healthcare subsidies. The hosts highlight his comment that the IRS follows the law "wherever we can," which they interpret as a cavalier admission that the agency operates with little regard for legal constraints.

irs· john koskinen· affordable care act· subsidies· congress

2:46:25 by whipping people around. You actually predicted that in 2014 the six-week cycle would end, and you're correct it has ended because we're now in a six day cycle we're being whipped back and forth from douchebags hitting their wives to ISIL blowing us up to Russia Putin Koch brothers... It's boggling! mind-boggling. It's great! Well, it is working and so the IRS... there's more evidence that Blackberries were destroyed. The government is completely out of control and this cavalier conversation

2:47:09 where this Cavalier answer at the end of this clip proves that beyond any doubt. This is an IRS question. You got a clear answer on one part of Representative Black's questions? This is Koshkinin, you know this is the hatchet man, the guy who supposed to be running the joint who came into fix the IRS He's being questioned in Congress. If your income changes or for some reason there is an overpayment of subsidies, there is a cap on your overpayment depending upon your income but if you were given for example affordable offer affordable insurance to work and you don't take it, you are not eligible period the law is very clear that all of that must be repaid

2:47:57 Will you be following the law in the collection of that, in that instance an ineligible subsidy? Yes, if somebody's ineligible and as we receive the credit they will be treated the way anybody else would be in our compliance process. No no questions on the law in that case there is not a cap all of the subsidy must be repaid Will you be following the law on that in that recapture? yes wherever we can we follow the law. Wherever we can otherwise forget it! That's what he's saying mm-hmm and that's how they think up there

CHAPTER 57 / 62 Discussion

Megyn Kelly Gaffe, Double Agents and Society's Destruction

The hosts play a clip of Megyn Kelly on Fox News where she uses the word "we" when referring to the FBI, suggesting she may be a media asset. They discuss the blurring lines between journalism and intelligence work and the general "destruction of society" through tech addiction.

megyn kelly· fbi· double agent· isis· al-qaeda

2:48:34 Yeah, whenever we can. Otherwise, eh! What are you gonna do about it? Wow that's actually a very very revealing clip That is...that is That's how they think. This is the truth, everyone always somehow they're always telling the truth Yes exactly how they... well talking about little clips where people make gaffes But this is only a very short clip there was some Muslim recruiter from Minnesota that apparently you know getting kids to join ISIL or ISIS Yeah this is where all coming from Yeah, so there's some guys gone missing and I didn't play the whole clip about this guy. I just want you to listen to the very subtle little errors that Megyn Kelly makes that makes you wonder who she really working for? He would make contact on the campus and he would meet with them off-site That's the guy we interviewed over 30 times, that was arrested in Kenya

2:49:29 to the United States and now he's missing. And we don't know where he is, but he suspected of some recruitment or possibly even being a double agent working for us. Go ahead. Sure no question... So now she says we and then she's I mean the FBI is just at the beginning so is she working for the FBI? That she would make that gaffe. I mean, it's not the kind of thing. I think I'd say oh She's a total asset And then she goes on and when she comes up with this off-the-wall double agent thing. I've never heard that There's a CNN... What if Mill is talking about this guy being a double agent? Well, there's a CNN tonight has a special and I just caught the promo this morning out of the corner of my eye. And it's that CIA spy for Al-Qaeda they've got their over dramatizing everything and of course the lines blur then you know it's This Is It John! You and I are witnessing the actual destruction

2:50:28 of society, I think. It's a possibility! And instead of Nero playing the harp we're all fiddling with our iPhones while we're on. Chicken hearts chicken and chicken. I didn't get enough likes. Oh let me like that Adam you like that if you like me i'll like you After the show We have to come up with a name because someone else is going to turn this some bullcrap professor. No, nobody no you don't think that's gonna happen? They're all in everybody is in on this including probably a lot of our listeners

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James Pennebaker, Function Words and Social Status

The hosts discuss the work of psychologist James Pennebaker regarding "function words" (e.g., I, the, this). Pennebaker's research suggests that these "invisible" words can predict the success of relationships and reveal the relative social status of speakers, with higher-status individuals using the word "I" less frequently.

james pennebaker· university of texas· function words· linguistics· social status

2:51:04 on this whole being sucked into this tech scene of Facebook and Netflix. And smartphones. And smartphones, right? Right! That's the trio. I would just say it's... The triad! The triad. The triad that Facebook has smartphones and Netflix. Yep. By the way did you know that you can get Facebook AND Netflix on your smartphone?! Oh my gosh! OH MY GOD THAT'S AMAZING!!! I have a little longer clip which i'd like to be the last clip for me As our buddy, James Pennebaker from the University of Texas has released another report. This is the professor who I met...but before I met him, I'd already studied what he does. He wrote the Performatives paper that you... Right and we've talked about this about a year ago? Yeah, I guess so performative is when politicians do this very well

2:52:02 I want to tell the American people that and then you say something. So it doesn't mean that is truth, you're just telling the American people something." No what is true there? You wanted to tell them that. Yeah, best correct! That's the truth. I wanted to tell the American people that... And that's what I wanna tell you. Doesn't means the truth. It's a truth that I wanna tell you. That's a performative. He has now... Another word game right here. Very tricky like him He is as he was an NPR very long piece. I clipped it down to about two and a half minutes Well worth it, where else can you really get to the meat and potatoes of this stuff? first about the well just listen It's about words that people use and how that affects their social standing which I think is relevant to our Analysis of the triad of Facebook smartphones and Netflix And then also the balance of relationship What how people use a particular word

2:52:55 and what that means for their standing in the relationship. Just listen, it becomes apparent well worth listening to this is about how we speak I find it fascinating I really like what this guy's doing About 20 years ago a psychologist at the University of Texas at Austin named James Pennebaker got interested in looking more closely at the words that we use or rather he got interested in looking more closely at a certain subset of the words that we use The This Though I any are as it was not very of us while who there

2:53:45 Now, according to the way that Pennebaker organized his language there's another set of words. Content words. These content words, Pennebaker says are heftier unlike function words they actually conjure a specific image in your mind he reads some examples school family, live, friends. Well the way I think about it is that I speak bad Spanish and if i'm in a conversation when im listening to the other person speak I am just trying to find out what are they talking about? Im listening to what where when those

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Language Style Matching, Speed Dating and Show Business

The discussion continues on Pennebaker's "language style matching" metric, which can predict if a couple will still be dating months later. The hosts relate this to sales techniques, neuro-linguistic programming (NLP), and the self-centered language often used by people in show business.

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2:54:23 big content heavy words. All those little words in between, the is etc., I don't pay attention to those because they're just too complex for me to pay attention to." In fact says Pennebaker even in our native language these function words are basically invisible to us. You can't hear them even though you You and I are talking, you and I are not processing what the other person says in terms of these function words. Humans just aren't able to do it." Humans aren't able to do it but computers ARE! See one of the things that Pennebaker did was transcribe conversations that took place between people on speed dates... ...to see how the couples used function words This is what he found. We can predict by analyzing their language

2:55:08 who will go on a date, who will match at rates better than the people themselves. Specifically what Pennebaker found was that in the speed dating context when the language style of two people matched that is when they used these function words in similar ways and similar rates they were much more likely to contact each other later to go on a date And this is even cooler we can even look at if we are dating let's say we're young dating couple The more similar we are using this language style matching metric, the more likely you and I will still be dating three months from now. When two people are paying close attention they use language the same

2:55:50 And it's one of these things that humans do automatically. They aren't aware of it, he says that by analyzing people's use of function words you can easily tell who among two people has more power in a relationship the relative social status and its amazingly simple listen to the relative use of the word I And the results are completely different from what most people would think. The person who is the higher status uses the word I less. I love this guy! Are you still on? I thought it was going to go on. No, that's it now. That guy Tony Robbins who does neuro linguistic programming. Yeah he is into this and actually I think he trains people to do this and a lot of salespeople have come out of various systems. I think his is one of them the old Est

2:56:49 Earhart sensitivity training used to also produce a lot of sales people. And it would also produces addicts to the system, which was the drawback well not for Earhart obviously or any other systems there's a bunch of them and there are elements in Scientology. Oh yeah oh yeah mirroring all kinds of stuff like this but I know good stuff so we need to be...I really liked the case that people in a relationship, the person who uses the word I more often is more... what did you say? Subjective no? No they're there are the lesser status in terms of status. They're below the other person yes. I this, I that, I this and you see if anything as you kind of sense

2:57:37 When you're with somebody, I'm just kind of imagining that. But when you're with somebody who just talks about themselves and they constantly use I, you always think of them as very inferior. At least I do. No, I haven't but now i'm going to pay attention. I had no idea maybe I'm just inferior because I say I all the time. That's the joke! The joke was enough about me what did you think about me? Where that stems from And a lot of people in show business are that way. They just talk about themselves constantly

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Ebola Hoax Rumors, Sierra Leone and Frontline

A clip from a Frontline documentary describes rumors in Sierra Leone that Ebola is a "hoax" designed by doctors to steal blood. The hosts discuss the lack of compelling visuals in the documentary and the relatively low death toll compared to fictional "outbreak" scenarios.

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2:58:15 I have something that's off the wall, but it is part of my long-term plan to actually do my second Ebola report. This is not about the origins of Ebola or anything like that. It's about what is going on and what we're trying to accomplish with the current Ebola outbreak. And this was on Frontline. There's a pretty good Frontline thing out there. Yes, I saw this. dramatized, then I have some...I actually wrote down some thoughts about this to talk to you about it. Okay well this is the only part that i think is interesting which is the Ebola hoax meme which was created in Sierra Leone by I don't know who or why but has been causing problems there and still part of my structure I'm beginning to see. Let's just play this yeah. By Kenema, the third largest town in Sierra Leone

2:59:07 Rumors about the virus have brought people onto the streets. A story is going around that Ebola is a hoax, a trick devised by doctors to steal people's blood. The rioters are trying to break down hospital gates and rescue patients inside. They say this Ebola lie. Not Ebola. There are blood people they want. That's what he said The police use tear gas and fire live bullets to disperse the rioters. But the rumors that Ebola is a hoax mean that more victims hide in their homes, infecting their families and neighbors." General observations... I found this frontline documentary except for this scene pretty much everything they showed it didn't seem like this huge epidemic

3:00:08 There wasn't a lot, it seemed very content free on the visuals. you know, well we can't go in there. We can show this...we only show this one woman who has fever and she's laying outside her house." Well they had that one woman and her husband in the containment area and then he died and she lived with the family I don't think it is not like if you look at the numbers when this began which was a couple of months ago were only up to about 1500 dead This is not the movie Outbreak where you have the map and then, bloop! The whole world's dead within two weeks. Which brings me to what the point I'll be making about this whole thing...

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African Resource Grab, Nigerian Oil and Chinese Competition

Adam Curry theorizes that the Ebola crisis is being used as a "humanitarian" cover for the U.S. military to enter West Africa and secure oil resources in places like Nigeria. He argues this is a strategic move to displace Chinese influence in the region while the local economies are paralyzed by the outbreak.

ebola· nigeria· boko haram· china· oil· west africa

3:00:54 To the workers that have to deal with it, it's kind of out of control because they can't get anyone to go along with anything. Can't get them into containment. They're all staying at home infecting everybody and there are a lot of corpses everywhere. I see it differently. What this is effectively doing, and just reading some headlines here British military is being sent to fight Ebola. Like hey we're here I got my bayonet! I don't know what that's...I don't know what any of that has got to do with it. Well I'm gonna tell you. I'm going try and explain U.S. military will provide equipment resources to battle Ebola epidemic in Africa Washington Post This is killing

3:01:38 the economies of these countries. That is the underreported part, people aren't going to work everything's stopped there no one wants to bring crap in there's no food this is killing these economies then that's why you need military who are then of course they can catch Ebola because they've got goggles and bayonets And they will then...it'll be a humanitarian mission. And the first thing we do from a humanitarian standpoint is kick the Chinese out of all these places, which conveniently is where all the oil in Nigeria. This is...It's a brilliant strategy to grab Africa! That's the part that- West Africa? But Nigeria isn't West Africa Yeah it is I would say its more central No, I think it's considered West Africa

3:02:33 Really? All right, West Africa then. Well that's where we want it. West Africa is the area that we've always had a lot of connections to. We tried to get into Nigeria with the Boko Haram save our daughters crap. That wears that gone no one cares. Ebola is great! It is killing the economies you can just search around on the internet for stories and it's at a standstill so nothing is moving people are going to start getting hungry and they're very afraid and I...of course I don't know about the hoax to steal blood. I think it's very creative! Here in America we have to...

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Ebola Evacuations, Phoenix Air Group and Sign-Off

The show concludes with a report on the Phoenix Air Group evacuating Ebola victims to the U.S. and the WHO's prediction of 20,000 future cases. The hosts sign off, reminding listeners of the upcoming Sunday show and the "Value for Value" model.

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3:03:10 keep up the appearance of how bad it is. Nine minutes after the hour there may be a lot more Ebola victims being evacuated to the United States than we are being told about The vice president of the Phoenix Air Group, an air ambulance company under contract with the State Department confirms his pilots have transported quote a lot of other people who have been exposed to deadly virus How many exactly? He's not saying And one of the four Americans infected by Ebola that we have been told about has arrived at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta for treatment. His identity is not being released. Meanwhile, in West Africa the outbreak continues with a death toll near 2300 with more than 4200 confirmed or suspected cases

3:03:53 And the World Health Organization predicts that number could soon top 20,000. I want to show you this map of Africa published by researchers at Oxford shows 15 nations that experts predict are now at risk for Ebola outbreaks. Big area! So be afraid support the military missions Help the poor black people in Africa. Well, I think this is multi-dimensional which i'll discuss in some other show All right when I can put that got too many long long clips it I do have a long clip for today. As an end of show clip? Well, it could be because- I've got the music playing you know i'm done You always complain that you can do this is too long why don't we do something let's do it Sunday We'll do it Sunday This is the Facebook case that's going before the Supreme Court Can we do it Sunday so we can have a whole Facebook sickness segment? Yeah but...we could do that um

3:04:47 It's time John you always complain to me when we go along here too long I do this time to end the show and I have a fever, and I'm gassy okay. Yeah, okay? You're not feeling good. Um you sound great though This is the funny thing about you always say you're sick. Yeah, I'm a professional. I'm a professional I am a professor. I look like death warmed over. All right, well let's end this show you're right we actually are over i didn't realize it was this late yeah uh we'll be back on sunday we want to remind people that keep helping us out with contributions especially people who never contributed you know they mention when they do but i would like to get some newbies in here to help us out here once in awhile so insta nights that would be nice indeed

3:05:35 So we'll be back on Sunday coming to you from FEMA Region 6. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley... Uhh..I'm John C. Dvorak We'll be back on Sunday right here on NO Agenda. I'm Joe Biden and thank you for taking the time to listen Adios MoFo The best podcast in the universe! dvorak dot org slash n a