Episode 554 · Sunday, 6 October 2013

Slave Bracelet

A fatal security breach at the Capitol reveals a disturbing disconnect between police conduct and congressional praise as global surveillance and digital currency markets face upheaval.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 554

About this episode

Capitol Police received a standing ovation from Steny Hoyer and Sanford Bishop following the fatal shooting of Miriam Carey, an unarmed mother who led authorities on a high-speed chase from the White House to a security barricade. While DC Police Chief Cathy Lanier praised the response, reports surfaced of officers allegedly bragging about the lethal force used while the victim's one-year-old child remained in the vehicle. The incident triggered a Capitol Hill lockdown where members of Congress were ordered to remove identification pins to avoid becoming targets.

Global security narratives shifted as U.S. Special Forces captured Al-Qaeda operative Abu Anas al-Libi in Tripoli, prompting the Libyan government to question the legality of the snatch-and-grab operation. In Kenya, CCTV footage from the Westgate Mall attack contradicted official military accounts, appearing to show soldiers looting retail shops during the siege. Domestically, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation faced scrutiny for its role in Common Core standards, which critics argue will phase out cursive writing and independent research skills in favor of digital tracking. Meanwhile, Adobe confirmed a massive data breach affecting 2.9 million customers, highlighting the risks of government-integrated software services.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak break down the mandatory RFID 'slave bracelets' used for corporate tracking at the Austin City Limits music festival. The duo examines the 'performance art' of modern news, from the visual formulas of RT host Abby Martin to the suspicious lack of photographic evidence in the FBI's Silk Road shutdown. Sir Jono, Elder of Zion, joins the ranks of the knighthood as the broadcast explores the intersection of big data, pharmaceutical suggestibility, and the transition to electronic currency slavery.


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CHAPTER 01 / 53 Discussion

Shecky Green Reference, Mob Anecdote

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the broadcast from Austin and Silicon Valley. Dvorak explains a reference to comedian Shecky Green, recounting an anecdote about Green insulting a mob boss in the mid-20th century.

shecky green· mob· adam curry· john c. dvorak· travis heights

00:00 I don't want to build a raspberry pie. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak It's Sunday October 6th 2013 time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 554 This is no agenda Sporting my ACL RFID slave bracelet in the Travis Heights hideout, capital of the known star state Austin Tejas. In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where a wet bird doesn't fly at night i'm John C Dvorak Okay so your Russian counterparts have heard the code? Exactly The wet bird does not fly at night what is that

00:43 It's a Shecky Green reference for all the old timers out there. Wow, I don't think I've ever heard Shecky Green Yeah, Shecky Green He was one of the guys that was...I think the mob had gotten something happened he was doing some material this guy is from 50-60-70 and I guess he insulted some mob boss And that was the end of him? No it didn't kill him but it didn't help his career much I want to say John right at the top of the show here, and i've been saying this since our last broadcast Thank you for your courage. Oh yeah thank you for your courage This has become quite the meme by the way You caught it again? Well no people keep emailing me like hey Adam thank you for your courage

CHAPTER 02 / 53 Discussion

German Texan Heritage, Presidential Proclamations

The discussion covers various presidential proclamations for October, including German-American Day. The hosts explore the history of German settlements in Texas, specifically towns like Pflugerville and Fredericksburg, and the legacy of Admiral Chester Nimitz.

pflugerville· schlitterbahn· fredericksburg· german texans· chester nimitz

01:33 And there's you know, we have a new month. I kind of skipped over it on On Thursday show but we have a lot of this is not just a special month It's a special week. We've got special days most of these by presidential proclamation. I thought I would yeah Back on the stick so first of all in apparently in Finland they also proclaim days and months today is National Day of older persons day In Finland so we want to say heyo to all the old folks listening to the show in Helsinki And it's also speech pathology week in Finland, and I was surprised. I thought only the American president could proclaim days and months I guess well We could do it too apparently so by present presidential proclamation Today is German American Day It's good to know and do you know that there's a lot of Germans in Texas?

02:29 It wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, no but we have entire communities! We have towns called like Pflugerville and... Pflugerville? And yeah we have a very famous amusement park not too far I think between Austin and San Antone called Schlitterbahn. It's like this big water park, there are tons of Germans! There is a whole settlement of Germans in Texas. I wonder what the deal is? They moved here in the 1800s and they still speak German some of them or kind of a Texarkana-German thing it's very strange to be driving to San Antonio and just see all these German names of towns pop up...very weird thing

03:09 But we will move on. There's actually, there's actually... wait before you go on! There is actually something called the German Texan and it's in the Wikipedia. Yes! German Texans are an ethnic category belonging to residents of the state of Texas who acknowledge German ancestry and self-identify with term From the first immigration to Texas in the 1830s, the Germans tended to cluster in ethnic enclaves. The majority settled in broad fragmented belt across the south part of the state. In 1890 about 3 million Texans considered themselves at least part German." One of our friends is German-Mexican which is even crazier!

03:46 and a guy doesn't i mean we went to his house and he's got like beer steins from his family you know and then he's cooking tacos the whole is weird the whole thing it's a minor it's mine fleet admiral chester w nimitz whose grandfather had joined the adels verin uh... that settled fredericksburg and they don't know if it's working other germany after a king frederick yeah and and his business buddy chancellor fredericker frederic the uh... little bit the elder frederick the minor i don't know he was a baseball player actually i'm sorry go on sat

CHAPTER 03 / 53 Discussion

October Awareness Months, Cybersecurity and Bullying

A review of federally proclaimed awareness months for October includes Fire Prevention Week, National Disability Employment Awareness Month, and National Domestic Violence Awareness Month. The hosts critique the inclusion of National Energy Action Month and National Cybersecurity Awareness Month.

smokey the bear· silk road· climate change· breast cancer awareness· cybersecurity

04:25 Child Health Day, John. We just missed that just a couple days ago by presidential proclamation also it is fire prevention when they were celebrating shooting at that Hey we saved the kid didn't we? I got to get through this list But yes obviously in observance of child health day we didn't shoot the kid so I would say well done It is also Fire Prevention Week. Smokey the Bear says only you can prevent forest fires National Disability Employment Awareness Month which is kind of a weird one National Disability Employment Awareness Month I guess you're supposed to be like hey if you're invalid then you can't get a job and...I'm well aware of it! I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be thinking about that There's also national- sorry? I don't know, doesn't make sense to me

05:21 How many things can this month be? National Arts and Humanities Month, National Domestic Violence Awareness Month. Yeah a month yeah. That was National Domestic Violence Month It is! National Domestic Violence Awareness Month. Awareness is different So you can beat up your wife just as long as you're aware of doing it. National Substance Abuse Prevention Month Well hello Silk Road there ya go we could have seen that coming. National Energy Action Month You think someone's paying for this? In that case, yes. Let me see... To meet the challenges of the 21st century we must work to ensure a clean safe and sustainable energy future The National Energy Action Month we can build on the progress We have made by recommitting to increasing our energy security strengthening our economy combating climate change and improving the environment Okay

06:16 It is also National Breast Cancer Awareness Month, and finally my favorite which means something's bound to happen in October. National Cybersecurity Awareness Month! If I were a part of that this would be the great month to have something happen... Ooh! And I almost forgot. National Bullying Prevention Month Yeah no I noticed that when I tweeted about it I said this national bullying prevention month go beat up a bully Is that what you're supposed to do? I think so. Yeah, yeah that'll prevent bullying So it's a big the big goings on here in uh in Austin John we have our annual ACL Austin City Limits Big festival music festival here in Austin

CHAPTER 04 / 53 Discussion

Austin City Limits Festival, RFID Slave Bracelets

Adam Curry describes his experience at the Austin City Limits music festival in Zilker Park, focusing on the mandatory RFID wristbands. He details how the tags are used by corporate sponsors like Samsung to automatically post attendee locations to Facebook.

acl festival· rfid tag· zilker park· facebook· samsung

07:01 I thought that was a weekly show on PBS. Yes, well that's... yes it is a weekly show on PBS but the Austin City Limits is an annual concert It's two weekends so it started on Friday and then it'll kind of lull down little bit and kick up again on Friday and all the big names are in town Miss Mickey and I actually went out to the event we're not really festival goers but the thing that's a little annoying is you're tagged essentially to get like a cowl yeah you get this three-day pass and they're very specific about what you can do and you can't, you have to put it on so that it can't come off. It's an RFID tag

07:41 and it has, you know... You can't cut off the excess ribbon which is really kind of dangerous because you know... The antenna. Of course it's the antenna! It's obvious so like oh you can't cut that off or we'll invalidate your badge and literally walking into the fairgrounds in Zilker Park Why does anybody put up with this crap? Yeah I don't know ummm....I mean I'm putting up with it just because I wanted to go but its quite annoying The way it works you have to register your pass And so you have to register it to your name for some reason. I guess if they want to check that it's really yours or whatever and then they immediately give you an option

08:22 link to Facebook which of course I did not do but all weekend I've been watching and I'm seeing people you know automatic tweets go out say hey you want some VIP treatment? I'm over here at the Samsung tent at ACL so these things are being detected by individual tents and then they're putting out Facebook status messages. They're pulling a four square on ya! Yes, but with the RFID tag on your wrist... slave bracelet Unbelievable. That's a good reason, another good reason not to use Facebook No and I asked someone did you tweet this? Did you put that on Facebook? He said no. I said did you realize? Yeah and i actually was able to track one guy And it and I guess the way Facebook works It made it look like he was online even So he was just going from tent to tent and they kept posting messages To where he was

09:15 This is not good. I think you should take that thing and attach it to a dog Well the things like this guy's a drug dealer, I'm like man You really don't want you really don't want that you just take that thing off when you're in the fairground And then I wanted to share one thing with everybody Both thank you. Holy crap there go 1 2 3 4 There's about 100 motorcycles going down their freeway Yeah, are they rice burners or harleys? Can't tell too far away, and I just wanted to share one thing with everybody We were invited by some by the Eric the lawyer who's going to go to the Supreme Court Yeah, we were in the heinous wife of I guess they built the Zack theater here in Austin. No no Their name is on the steps let's put it that way and so they invited us to the opening of Les Miserables

CHAPTER 05 / 53 Discussion

Les Misérables Theater Production, Austin Zack Theater

Adam Curry recounts attending a Broadway production of Les Misérables at the Zack Theater in Austin. He describes the experience of sitting in the third row and complains about having the song "Master of the House" stuck in his head.

les miserables· zack theater· broadway· master of the house· mickey curry

10:10 Oh, that's real. I've always wanted to see Les Miserables in Austin Texas So it is the Broadway production i will point out yeah and And I couldn't even sit through the movie at home At home I was like Mickey I can't watch this anymore So I was like, okay. But you know, I want to go the Supreme Court so I don't want to be a downer on the guy and his whole Lin-Is thing. We had a couple drinks. We head off...I gotta tell you! I thoroughly enjoyed myself! Yeah, you were plastered

10:46 Well not totally but it was really... It doesn't take much for you. That's true, that's true but I really enjoyed the show we also were like third row center so it's almost like the actors are literally singing to you so they couldn't have been much better um The only problem is and we've been discussing this how do you get songs stuck in your head? Oh, you got a song stuck in your head? Master of the house, doling out the charm. Ready with a handshake and an open palm. I want everyone to have that song. That's horrible! No you won't get that stuck in anyone's head. Yes yes. So it doesn't have enough of a tune. Everybody... oh it's master of the house. Master of the house, doling out the charm. Ready with a handshake and an open palm. Tell us a saucy tale. Aw man and it's like... And now Mickey is now like

11:36 reminding me of the song every five minutes. Just when I'd gotten rid of it, the horrible song! Well, you're the master of the house. Yes! Doling out the charm. I wish he'd little of that but that's another story. Anyway so that's a brief update here from Travis Heights hideout. I have my slave bracelet on displaying it proudly and uh... I shall slap it on a dog before we leave tonight because after this show were gonna go see-we're going to back Yeah well I went to the Oakland A's playoff game Oh really? And it was a great game, it was a pitching duel. Some kid named Sonny Gray who's just a terror and Verlander the great pitcher from Detroit they just pitched a duel 0-0 for 9 innings and then at the bottom of the ninth he A's 1 but here is the thing that got me...a pitching duel which is where there's just getting everybody out you know there's no real scores right?

CHAPTER 06 / 53 Discussion

Oakland A's Pitching Duel, Television Commercial Delays

John C. Dvorak discusses attending an Oakland A's playoff game featuring pitchers Sonny Gray and Justin Verlander. He criticizes the length of the game, attributing the three-and-a-half-hour duration to excessive commercial breaks mandated by the TBS broadcast.

oakland a's· sonny gray· justin verlander· tbs· commercial timeouts

12:34 I remember when i was a kid, you'd go see an A's game with Catfish Hunter who actually was one of the world's greatest pitchers and he would... And the game not a lot of times but many times. The whole game with scores under two hours This game was a pitcher's duel, which means it wasn't a lot of you know just getting people up and down out lots of hours. Lots of strikeouts three and a half hours Now it seems a little excessive. It seems more than a little excessive, and here's the problem because it was broadcast on TBS they did Once I would be out in the other picture come out and you'd wait five commercial break of course yes Yes now this is ruined foot live football for me. I don't go people invite me They say hey would you like to come to the game? I've got a booze. God. I've got a box with hookers No, I won't go

13:31 Professional football game it's you just sit and use diggity guy who hunts the ball boom five minute commercial break Yeah, the guys you know they're gonna punt the ball. They take a timeout I've always wondered how they coordinate that between the so who really calls those shots What when how do they call down to the to the field and say okay? You know you got a hold on for a second because we're in a commercial break We're going to commercial break. Do they all have IFBs into then they're running like oh hold on a second It's of the minute head referee in a football game, and he will call timeout when they like them The balls exchange other teams exchange

14:09 Possession and then they've stopped the clock on the change of possession He just calls a timeout and it's a commercial time out and they just stay on And then so you was your sitting in the stands and use and you're just watching these guys want You know, there could be something going on It could be been a game that was pretty well paced. Now they stop and you wait one minute two minutes three minutes you're waiting minutes and minutes four minutes and then they go to the hike the ball in their sump like he's got a fumbles on the stop it again and i'll play but your commercials right this is ruining the games these games are being ruined by this crap and i didn't ever expect to see it baseball to this extreme there was no commercial timeouts during uh... let me grab

14:50 Yeah, well maybe people start going to the theater against these television games. These televised games Anyway so I was a little annoyed but it was an outstanding performance by the team So we both had a little bit of relief from the onslaught of mainstream bullcrap that was coming through all the tubes and pipes Actually, right after we were still doing our Thursday show when we had this... I'm just calling it Capital Shield exercise because there was a drill as you know John called Capitol Shield where everyone in the nation's capital was on heightened alert.

CHAPTER 07 / 53 Discussion

Miriam Carey Shooting, Capitol Hill Security Incident

An investigation into the shooting of Miriam Carey near the U.S. Capitol reveals she suffered from postpartum depression and delusions. Reports detail a high-speed chase from the White House to the Capitol, ending with police firing 17 shots at her vehicle while her one-year-old child was inside.

miriam carey· capitol police· secret service· washington dc· postpartum depression

15:27 And of course we have this incident which is details no one really has any details. No I've got the longest probably best report, okay? Which says Vest Report on the clip list because... I don't do any speeches. When it's Vest from NBC. I don't even have that! It says drugged woman vest report on NBC. These are the drugged women reports Right, but just when you say it says vest report I'm looking at the V Yeah But it's not this is drugs have to look at the D yeah drugged woman So let play that and we'll get this will give us a background to bounce some stuff off of

16:07 Good evening. Brian, good evening. Investigators say that Miriam Carey went downhill after having her baby suffered postpartum depression and then began having delusions and was hospitalized at one point they say she believed that the federal government had her under surveillance and that President Obama was communicating with her I just want before we move on with this i just wanna point out that this if we predicted this was going to happen Is this not part of the war on crazy, John? It is part of the war on crazy. I consider it part of the war on whatever drugs they had her on that she stopped using. Obviously. Let's continue. After searching Miriam Carey's condo in Stamford Connecticut and talking with relatives investigators say she had been diagnosed with depression and psychosis but had recently stopped taking her medications They say travel records show she drove directly from there to Washington Stop! Stop! Travel records?! She's in the car! Stop

17:05 Travel records, what is this? Toll roads. Yeah it would be toll roads License plate scanners. Yeah that'd be that too Cell phone records Can you go back and play start that clip over or that part over because there's a very interesting little grammatical thing in there That I found interesting And then began having delusions and was hospitalized at one point They say she believed that the federal government had her under surveillance and that President Obama was communicating with her After searching Miriam Carey's condo in Stamford, Connecticut and talking with relatives investigators say she had been diagnosed with depression and psychosis but had recently stopped taking her medications. They say... Instead of saying Anne has stopped taking your medications they said but

17:56 Ah, yes. So she was diagnosed... Bad! Bad slave If you listen to the way this is presented it's that she was diagnosed with depression and psychosis but had stopped taking her medications. So all was well? No, her diagnosis was with or on the medications it sounds like to me right yeah she were psychotic because of the med she was taking. Yeah but... That's good I like that She had stopped and not and she had stopped taking she didn't use the word and but it was but

18:33 Which means, it sounds to me that they had her drugged and she went in she had a baby. She's all you know I'm but i don't feel good oh yeah we got postpartum depression start taking whatever things started doping her with which made her crazy and then she stopped taking them and went even crazier because she said wait a minute I've been drugged all this time It's gotta be something to do with Obama, I have some thoughts about this Okay well let's play the rest of this cause it really tells us a pretty good story Remember in the good old days when people just got psychotic from shantyx? That was easy. Those were the, you know... Yeah we don't get enough shanty stories anymore. You just stop the shantyx and start smoking again and everything went away And now this stuff is with you forever. Travel records show she drove directly from there to Washington yesterday The chaotic events begin here at one of the security checkpoints on the perimeter of the White House grounds Investigators say that 2-12 in the afternoon Miriam Carey's car turned into this driveway hit some temporary fencing

19:29 and then started backing up, striking a Secret Service officer causing minor injuries. No shots were fired here." From there she speeds up Pennsylvania Avenue toward the U.S Capitol going 80 at one point. Police thought it was all over when she got to the foot of Capitol Hill just below the US Capitol when they managed to get her stopped But that's when it escalated. As they approached her car, she jammed it into reverse striking one of the patrol cars and took off again This time police and Secret Service officers fired trying to stop her nine shots Police say but she kept driving looping around traffic circles And then on up past the Capitol building with bullet holes in her car visible

20:07 It ended on the other side of the Capitol from the White House. Police say Miriam Carey was coming up Constitution Avenue near this Senate office building when police again opened fire, they say she saw that these barriers that pop in the street had been raised so she shifted into reverse to try and turn around and police say in the course of that she backed into this police guard booth. 17 shots at that location police say only afterward did they discover her one year old child was in the car unharmed Chuck Wexler runs the police executive research forum. He says police are trained not to shoot at fleeing cars, but around the White House and the Capitol he says there's a constant worry about car bombs. You have improvised device you have terrorism policing in Washington DC is a lot more complicated they have to protect

20:52 the US Capitol and the White House. They're concerned about terrorism... Well, one thing people often ask is why not just shoot out the tires? These things happen very quickly you had a situation where one police officer was already hurt they tried to get into the White House now they're trying to get into the U.S. Capitol these things happen almost instantaneously Police will conduct an investigation to see if the use of force deadly force was justified as standard practice in an incident like this All right, but now before you say anything about this and I don't think you have this in your clips What we have on in basic information. We know that a woman with a child in the car was killed by Capitol Police Just shot to death In or outside her car That's that's a little a little unclear

CHAPTER 08 / 53 Discussion

Congressional Standing Ovation, Capitol Police Tribute

Members of Congress, including Steny Hoyer and Sanford Bishop, lead a standing ovation for the Capitol Police following the Miriam Carey shooting. The hosts criticize the lack of mention regarding the unarmed mother or the child during the floor speeches.

capitol police· steny hoyer· sanford bishop· paul irving· house of representatives

21:43 an unarmed woman. An unarmed mom with a one-year old? This is what took place in the house not long after that and the whole thing is five minutes only got a minute and a half or so of it just to give you an idea of how insane Washington DC is Purpose of gentleman from Maryland rise Mr Speaker I ask unanimous consent to speak out of order for one minute The gentleman is recognized for one minute Thank You mr speaker at the outset I know that I joined the majority leader in expressing our gratitude to the Capitol Police. This is a standing ovation! Save the baby, good work excellent! Oh you ever thank them? Yeah. Excellent save- wait but it's not done yet! Yeah this is how- this is not edited this is the true length. Wooo! Good work! We're all too often we take for granted

23:00 The folks who are prepared to put their own lives and safety at risk, to save from harm's way. Not only those of us who work on Capitol Hill but those who visit their capital. So I know that round of applause was heartfelt and deeply meant. Thank you for your courage! We thank them, and I'll yield to the majority leader before asking a question on the schedule but i yield to the majority leader Yes yes thank you for your courage sir Mr Speaker I want to thank the gentleman for yielding and concur with his thanks to the Capitol Police But I'm going to throw one on top And as well each and every day all of us benefit from their dedication and commitment to our safety The people who visit this capitol and its surroundings

23:49 to their safety and I know all of us here are two-up there can extend that thanks and just let them know we really appreciate really really about now he yields back but not the not this is he's gonna throw one on top we got more heroes we have who shot this on our mom more hero also a speaker I know again the majority leader mister Sanford Bishop who himself gave such a tribute at the beginning in the last bill To the Capitol Police, but also we want to thank the sergeant arms. Yes Paul Irving and all those who work? You make sure boy there's three more minutes of that it's I'm sure it goes on thing It's disgusting they never anyone they said God bless them And they never said anything about the poor you know god blessed a baby or I mean did you hear that though by the way before We go on about that

CHAPTER 09 / 53 Discussion

Police Misconduct Allegations, Trigger-Happy Officer Anecdote

A listener report alleges that a Capitol Police officer involved in the Miriam Carey incident bragged about trying to "shoot the bitch" while showing off photos of his AR-15. The discussion compares the lethal force used in DC to the low-speed pursuit of OJ Simpson.

ar-15· capitol police· trigger-happy· oj simpson· police training

25:04 So the woman comes up to the Capitol steps, we have plenty of film of this and she's surrounded by about six seven eight nine they couldn't block her in because they're incompetent. Let's stop start right there They could have blocked him but no she backs up and then she goes zooming off again But they could've blocked her and they didn't And their standing around holding guns on her She doesn't...they're close enough to see that theres a baby in the car but apparently nobody saw the baby! Let me ask you this This is what I don't understand This woman was shot dead with multiple gunshots, yet OJ Simpson gets to just kind of cruise down the road going 35 miles an hour for hours on end. You know it's like this makes no sense other than and I think i have a note here from one of our producers who is in the DC area which I'd just like to share with you that will kinda explain unfortunately what we already thought

26:01 Hello, I read the newsletter John just put out for this upcoming show. I was happy to see that you guys will be discussing the incident on Capitol Hill. I live in the suburbs just outside DC so i'm very familiar with all of the activity that goes on around here. Uh...I like to do volunteer work at my high school uh it just so happens that one of the capitol police officers was on the scene of this incident also has a second job at my high school I've known him for about two months now. The day after the shooting, i was at work and saw that he was there as well a small group of us went over to greet him and i said wow yesterday must have been very chaotic we were around the police chase he said that in fact he was on the scene

26:37 And then he took out his phone and showed us a picture. It was a picture of himself in uniform holding his AR-15 while he was yelling at someone, there were some sort of crashed vehicle or maybe the back end of an ambulance in the picture for the whole day everyone was treating him like a celebrity While the group of us were dispersing He said I was trying so hard to shoot the bitch but I just didn't have a shot He said that according to our guy? And I was very disappointed that he was such a trigger-happy cop like the newsletter said. I have often had good encounters with the police around the city, but hearing him say that makes me think they are extremely under trained and that is scary. I'd say not that, I'd say they're roided out these guys are hyped up on all kinds of... They're on medication too you know!

27:24 Not all of them, but I think a lot of these guys are not the wrong shooting left They can't hit inside of a barn apparently this is the quote. I was trying hard to shoot the bitch But it didn't have a shot and if that is the attitude Woe is me Yeah, that's bad. And did you know that this I thought this was kind of funny the cops were telling the as a congressmen and women Were inside the building but think somewhere also outside The cops are telling them to take off their pins yeah because there'd be targets I had actually have that clip Oh you do oh? Which one is it which one isn't love that that was like oh my god take off your pin You'll be a target

CHAPTER 10 / 53 Discussion

Member of Congress Identification, Barricade Collision

Reports from the Capitol Hill lockdown describe police ordering members of Congress to remove their identification pins to avoid becoming targets. Footage also shows a police cruiser being destroyed after striking a pop-up security barricade at high speed.

capitol barricade· senate office building· nightline· identification pins· car crash

28:05 Well, you can... I don't have a lot of this specifically but the other clip I have, drugged woman. This is the Nightline report. This may have that in it. Personnel carrier that came in about... Oh yeah? Hold on! We didn't get much of the reports that a personnel carrier came in. This is like unbelievable, this is Keystone. Personnel carrier? Like one of those armored... With dudes hanging off the side with those tall helmets? A personnel carrier that came in about five minutes later. So heavy-duty stuff was there? Very heavy, they were clearing the scene and what added to the feel of it was the smell of gunpowder. I love the smell of gunpowder in DC! Walking around the Capitol we're told to hide their identities Then very excitedly a police officer comes running towards me He saw my pin and goes are you member of Congress? And i said yeah I am let's see your identification so pulled out my identification and says well take your pin off

29:04 We wear these little pins around. And so he told me to take the pin off, because you could be a target." And on the floor of the Senate all proceedings are ordered to stop. You thought we heard shots? I saw a lot of police cars then we heard shots and then the police told us to go back. We were simply walking back to our office. I said we heard pops that sounded like shots. The suspect was shot and taken to a nearby hospital where she died. A Capitol Police officer injured when his car hit a Capitol barricade was also hospitalized." Did you see that? I have the video of when that car hit the barricades. Yeah, that video is great! Oh my god because all of DC apparently has these just barricades that pop out on the road... Some cop going 80 miles an hour hits that thing as it's coming out and he was hurt

CHAPTER 11 / 53 Discussion

Chief Cathy Lanier, DC Metropolitan Police Leadership

The hosts critique DC Police Chief Cathy Lanier, focusing on her uniform's numerous medals and her past criticism of motorists using Waze to avoid traffic cameras. They analyze her public statement regarding the "pronouncement" of Miriam Carey's death.

cathy lanier· metropolitan police· medals· waze· iron cross

29:56 That car was destroyed. He was one of the cops that was injured, he wasn't anywhere near the action. By our own stupid security crap! Yeah no I'm surprised some cops didn't get shot by other cops Who knows? This is what's gonna happen. We don't know anything So here's one last thing about this Right And this is a little annoying, my annoyance for today Go to Google and type in Metropolitan... actually I did it on Bing So you may have to do it on Bing to get the exact right page. But Metropolitan Police, type in Metropolitan Police DC Kathy Lanier C-A-T-H-Y L-A-N-I-E-R and go to her page which is under District of Columbia One City One Future and it's got a picture of her Now she is the chief of police and she came out with a statement Yeah this is the one that I thought was so interesting The Navy Yard Shooter

30:53 I have the clip of her on this one and i thought it was pretty cold-blooded but im gonna ask you a question, this is almost an Ask Adam. Do you see your picture there? Yeah, I see your picture yeah Why has she got four stars like she's like she's a general in the army AND a bunch of those little badges! Yeah well she's got all kinds of cool stuff doesn't she? She looks like Petraeus I'm asking you why? What is all these badges for let me look at images Let me see what she's got even get a good close-up shot. She's got well first of all it's You know in a police state this is kind of what you do, you know you need to have all Wow so on her Honor on our shirt she's got the stars but her jacket there there I think they are they almost looked like Star Trek insignias and

31:40 Look at those things, man. I haven't gone to the right one yet... Now i think she's very cute in a kind of uh... Oh she is not when you see her in action she's not cute at all yeah but cop groupies No no no no she's not even cop cute She's got a fruit salad there man! She's got all kinds of medals. She's a hero Yes, she's obviously a hero. She is the chief of police! She must be out there shooting it up with people What is she? A fast draw artist? I mean what's the deal? Well... Did you...? I mean she's the Chief of Police and supposed to be a person behind a desk managing the police department Did you consult The Book Of Knowledge on her? Aha! Aha see?! You can't do that! Let's see!

32:20 There must certainly there must be something about her or her valor her medals Although at all she has let's see As a desk jockey well, let's see he has a big giant thing on the one hand which is yeah It's the iron cross as what? Iron Cross I don't think she's ever had any other job with this She dropped out of junior high school, ninth grade became mother at the age of 15. Wow! Well she's all about killing moms. Laniere came under fire in 2009 after claiming that motorists who use GPS we're talking about Waze here and iPhone technology to avoid traffic cameras were employing a cowardly tactic Ah that's what she got the three ribbons on the left for for that statement

33:11 Yeah, well anyway here she is which I thought would did this is the DC lady chief of police clip and I just thought she was just cold-blooded about the death of this unarmed mother. Different points we do know that there were shots fired in at least two locations during this pursuit the pursuit was from 15th down to 100 block of Maryland Avenue. So the pursuit went several blocks, involved both United States Secret Service and United States Capitol Police. Right now the suspect in the vehicle we do know was struck by gunfire and at this point has been pronounced so the suspect has been pronounced at this point The child is approximately a year old that is in good condition And in protective custody

33:59 What kind of thing is this? She's been pronounced, pronounced man and wife. Pronounced black. Well that's pronounced... Is she pronounced dead or has she died? Why don't they just say she died. She died D-I-E-D four letters. She's been pronounced Ben B. That's four letters with Ben and then pronounce what kind of language is this? Yes, well, she's been pronounced Well, this is a part I think it's cavalier and sickening to be honest Is this not what how this is not like NCIS talk isn't this kind of how they talk on television They use this this this whack job code This is a little beyond if you I don't want maybe that's what she'd maybe she gets her Maybe those are all viewing medals

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Twitter Alert System, Emergency Push Notifications

The Senate Sergeant-at-Arms utilized a new Twitter tool to send emergency push notifications during the Capitol shooting. The hosts discuss the criteria for organizations to join the Twitter Alerts program and express interest in applying as an independent media entity.

twitter alerts· giant voice· shelter in place· push notifications· ngo

34:43 She's actually watched the entire series of NCIS. Here's a medal she gets a metal and if she can recite at least five Episodes the plot and some of the lines that's where she gets the iron cross from and they guess you're viewing medals Well, there were some cool things that happened as a part of this one Of course was the activation of the giant voice system in DC shelter in place. Close lock and move away from doors, windows if you are outside of an office building, be cover away from the area additional information will follow So this shelter in place, I don't know if you could hear that through the Skype thing but... Actually can. Yeah shelter-in-place has really become a meme that everyone just buys into immediately which of course is now also being activated at airports when the TSA will all of a sudden tell you to stop and freeze and you know shelter in place and cower in the corner and all this nutty stuff And! This was the first time the giant voice system was activated on Twitter

35:48 Did you hear about it? Was it yeah, the twitter has an alert system. I didn't know this um I'll read from the reports here police uh closing on close Police closing. Oh, that's a caption Okay as people turn to Twitter to get updates on the shots fight at the Capitol The office of the Senate sergeant-at-arms took advantage of a new Twitter tool That allows certain accounts such as government offices To send push notifications or text messages directly to the phones of followers who sign up to receive emergency alerts

36:26 And this service apparently started just September 24th. Oh, just in time! Yes Just in time to be tested So I'm looking at this and like...I want this! And so I've looked it up that the alerts Twitter said are meant for crisis disaster and emergency communications and those enrolled in the program that want to send to Twitter followers. So essentially if you have twitter on your phone and we are a member of the program Then we can tweet something very much like a bat signal. In fact, it is the no agenda bat signal they've stolen here some kind of feature

37:03 you know because when I send out a tweet and anyone who is following um uh you know well it's not through Twitter, it's through our No Agenda app. You get a notification like your phone comes to life and tells you the bat signal that something's going on but this is now part of Twitter and I want to apply and it says organizations must apply for participation in the program. Twitter said once approved they must increase the security on their twitter accounts Presumably to discourage hackers from being able to spam the users phones, but I think we should get this Twitter alerts program is available to local national and international institutions that provide critical information To the public. That's us. I think so too The following have priority access to this feature. I don't think we get priority access now We're never gonna get priority anything Not even priority tickets on the plane

37:56 Priority access includes law enforcement, public safety agencies, emergency management agencies city and municipal governments county and regional agencies select state federal and national agencies and NGOs. We could always become an NGO or we are kind of an NGO just not nonprofit before gaining access to Twitter alerts organizations will be required to increase security of their Twitter account well anyway I think we should try and apply for this Or at least have someone, one of our producers. Might as well! Yeah why don't we have one of our producers apply for it? Someone who has... There's got to be someone out there with an NGO that they can use and uh yeah I'm sure there's some way but yeah let's go for it you know what we need? We need pictures of us in this type of outfit With all the badges All the viewing medals You know by looking at this I'm looking at that picture then I see Chief Lanier dropped out of junior high school after the ninth grade And became a mother at age 15 That's what I just said

CHAPTER 13 / 53 Discussion

Chief Lanier Career Path, Teenage Motherhood

A discussion of Chief Cathy Lanier's biography highlights her journey from a ninth-grade dropout and teenage mother to the head of the DC Metropolitan Police. The hosts debate whether her career trajectory represents the American Dream or a lack of traditional qualifications.

cathy lanier· american dream· high school dropout· sergeant· commander

38:54 Missed that somehow yeah, no you were looking at the motorcycles. No no Whatever the case that motorcycles is way early in this show so she I didn't realize she's white trash which explains Just because he dropped out of school doesn't mean your white trash and had a kid at 15 And then begin then talk like she does pronounced pronounced Sorry, well I may be bigoted. Yeah, I think you are somewhat bigoted okay? That is the American dream You can drink this is the whole point as a woman remember She's also a woman you can drop out of school have be a teenage mom and

39:31 Watch a lot of TV and become like chief of police. Well, it is well You're right you got me It is the American dream much more so than just getting by she didn't do that So she's got something on them and she worked in DC as a foot patrolman Since she was promoted to sergeant. Now, she worked her way up. She used to be called in the oil refining business a stallion. You start at the bottom and then you have an officer then a sergeant then a lieutenant then a captain inspector commander chief of police In 2007 she's been doing that since. And she did go on to get all kinds of degrees so... Yeah, she's no slouch. She worked hard! I agree that the medals are a little bit much but if they're viewing medals then i'm okay with that. Does she have the Kardashian badge of honor somewhere? I think it is in the third row and you get two different versions to that one if you think that the girls have big butts It's kind of gold color and then has blue stripe in it If you don't think there really that big

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Media Narrative Construction, Miriam Carey Medications

The hosts analyze how mainstream media outlets like CNN and Jake Tapper disseminated talking points regarding Miriam Carey's mental health. They question the validity of reports citing an unnamed boyfriend and specific medications for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

jake tapper· cnn· schizophrenia· bipolar disorder· boyfriend

40:34 So the mean went out pretty quickly and this is you know something coming this quickly within the after the occurrence You know means that this is pretty much the talking points that are put out there. Here's Jake Tapper What could have made this woman seemingly snap? investigators who searched her Stanford Connecticut home say they found medication to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder And her boyfriend reportedly told police that she appeared to be quote delusional Okay, then we have CNN who take it a step further. for two kinds of medications. One of the medications was to treat symptoms bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, the other was... Why don't they tell me what it is? This is what annoys me to no end I think I know the answer but I'd really like to know For an antidepressant It's not clear whether there was actual medication there in the apartment but we do now according to a source Wait a minute! Yeah oh yeah The other report said that there was Oh yeah well she said its a clarification so their kind doing their job

41:42 police saying that she was delusional, that she thought President Obama was surveilling her electronically and whether this is why she decided to go down to Washington to the White House. All of that under investigation right now but again there were certain things that were going on. The boyfriend said that she had been on some medications but that she had stopped taking those medications think about it She actually packed a bag strapped daughter in that car and then drove hundreds of miles down to the White House Possibly to get an audience with the president. Okay, so this is all just spoon-fed by some agency or PR mechanism that just hands us over to people because where is this boyfriend? You talked to the boyfriend you got this information Why didn't you put him on camera who was this guy what does he look like what does he do This is not true

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Sandy Hook Medical Records, Connecticut Assistant Attorney General

A deposition from a Connecticut Assistant Attorney General explains the state's refusal to release Adam Lanza's medical records. The official argues that linking antidepressants to the Sandy Hook shooting would cause the public to stop taking their medications.

adam lanza· sandy hook· medical records· antidepressants· connecticut

42:33 No one's, this is almost like the Silk Road indictment. They got a piece of paper everyone's copy pasted this and they're just repeating. Just repeating! They've not spoken to anyone this is not an actual news report now what is... And I've been keeping this clip for three weeks now This is the... You've been pulling this on every show. I know, I hate to do it but this assistant attorney general you know actually i'm glad i'm doing this because and i'm glad I didn't play then and playing now This is the assistant attorney general from Connecticut Now was this woman not from where she from? Connecticut Yep Just pointing out that there's a small coincidence And this about the refusal of the Connecticut officials to release

43:21 The medical records on Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Newtown so-called school shooter. About what medications he was or was not on if he was taking them, or not taking them now This is a one-minute clip I'm gonna play it because I want people to hear it's very difficult to understand this guy's a couple of things one. Uh... I believe he's blind which is really weird when you watch the video the videos in the show notes But he also seems to be from a crew from the Caribbean and this is the assistant attorney general to Connecticut so if you really have to get into focusing on what he's saying

43:57 You know, blind people sometimes have a strange cadence. That's why I bring that up when they speak to try and listen to what he is saying about why they will not release these records. is murderous actions were caused by antidepressants. You can logically from that conclude that, you know, others would

44:41 commit the same actions as a result of taking antidepressants. So it's simply not legitimate and not only is it not, the use to which you are proposing to put information not legitimate, it is harmful because then you can cause a lot of people to stop taking their medications, stop cooperating with their treating physicians just because of the heinousness of what Adam Lanza did. So what this guy is saying, in case it was too hard to understand... Let me insert see if I can get it right. Yes please. What he's saying is that

45:21 Any you don't want to well here's what he really said let me just go right to the chase What he's saying is they've come up with a combination of ingredients that if the public ever found out about this For one thing they'd stop taking it. Yeah, because it makes you nuts My interpretation is almost of this opinion which is that Someone somewhere somehow has discovered a combination of ingredients that Possibly make you suggestible and murderous. Is that a possibility? Because I think okay, you'd want to keep that is rich Well, I think it's binary and the kinetic need a combination. I know is its well It's tertiary then it's not it's not just the combination of ingredients binary on the medication

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Connecticut Drug Experiments, Electronic Trigger Theory

The hosts speculate on a "crackpot" theory involving drug experiments in Connecticut triggered by 4G or radio waves. They question how authorities obtained Miriam Carey's travel records so quickly and why the NSA failed to track her movement toward the capital.

4g· radio waves· connecticut· travel records· nsa

46:09 But I think location has something to do with it. So this, the only reason and I have no evidence other than... Experiments taking place in Connecticut And i think it has to do with either 4G or some kind of radio waves because you have this combination of ingredients which may by itself do nothing but then something is flicked on intentional or not and you can go insane. And it happened in Connecticut except in this case, this woman she got in her car and drove down to DC and tried to ram something or whatever and was clearly not thinking straight. Well now we take another step when I want to go into this kind of

46:51 borderline crackpot. Yeah, but here's the third one is which is... And the government not listening to you? The straight well there's a government listening is great one but we already know that's true. But the comment that you picked up on and I will admit that I didn't pick up on it first time I played the clip which was they had her travel records So they had drugged this woman, they whoever they are and again I'm just saying it's a possibility. And tracked her now when they talk about travel records they may have put a bug on her car for all or a tracking device so they can really see where she was going and they knew once she started heading into DC that's when the head that's why they had the alert that's why within minutes there was a that the guy mentions a

47:37 personnel carrier within minutes of her showing up and once the action began there were, the cops were on full alert and they had to put a stop to her because they didn't know what she was going to do. And they didn't know if she was armed because apparently couldn't track it well enough to know that. So then obviously they didn't know that she had the baby but there was way too much activity And that's why I think they went to the congressman and said, you know you could be a target. We don't know exactly what what's going on here but we do know we have a lunatic that the cops would never notice that somebody set off let's say from Connecticut. Well have to keep an eye on this well i mean i think this is all supposition but it's a little too weird and that crappy clip you had which was your right you shouldn't have played in the first place

48:27 That guy The whole the whole video is like an hour. Oh, it's horrible Yeah, there's nothing I tried getting different that's video But he did say that you know we don't want to give out what him testifying in Connecticut by the way That's that's like official state video. Oh that was actually a that was a deposition Yes yeah, yeah well they were lawyers under FOIA were trying to get these records and And this is his deposition statement where he's saying, no we can't do that. This is not a legitimate request because of these reasons. So that was actual video...this is not like some guy in his living room. This was actually deposition footage. Interesting! Yeah and when I first saw that footage I'm like this isn't for real? Who is this guy?! It's like Stevie Wonder from Barbados. No it's Assistant Attorney General to Connecticut. It's the real deal

49:20 So we're thinking now if we also take this thesis and extrapolate it a bit. The woman had a baby, she's been a dental hygienist for a long time apparently so she wasn't nuts then and then they determine in the hospital after the baby that she is bipolar and schizophrenic and she is working on people's teeth None of that makes a lot of sense, I agree. But you know it's a year and half 18 months I think so... You know a lot can change there but the thing that just hit it for me and actually with this and I'm reading it everywhere now that this travel record show she drove straight from Connecticut to DC

50:03 So either they're track I either they're tracking her or you know there's a lot of toll roads that you can write She might have a fast pass. What just your license plate, but anyway They shoot the license, but that is but who does those records in five minutes not that easy well You don't know maybe it is it could take a week now who knows? I do apparent It's not possible why not what isn't it just select star from No, these machines. Yeah if they were of the highest tech and the greatest software but let's face it this is garbage and where's the NSA in all this? They should have been able to spot this woman coming in! They should have seen her for miles Where's the pre-crime squad?! This is all just wasted money now they can't do anything That's right from you know CSI Well here's what I'd like to ask our producers we have some of the best producers in the universe

CHAPTER 17 / 53 Discussion

Pharmaceutical Combinations, Aaron Alexis Connection

The discussion explores potential pharmaceutical combinations that might induce suggestibility or violence, referencing the CIA's MKUltra program. The hosts attempt to find links between the Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis and mental health treatment patterns in Connecticut.

aaron alexis· mkultra· cia· lsd· mental illness

50:55 We have a lot of people who are very familiar with drugs and I'm not talking of the Silk Road variety, you know administered in emergency situations hospital situations Psychosis situations we have doctors. We have emergency medical technicians police officer. We got a lot of people who understand this stuff What is the combination? that we have not been given the actual names. We know there was bipolar, postpartum depression so what is the combination? Schizophrenia was mentioned. What is the possible combination of drugs one that's what I'd like to know and then yeah I'll be the crackpot and say I think that there's something possibly local to Connecticut but there's some other thing that triggers

51:41 triggers this. Because you know, these combinations can't be just given in Connecticut they're given all over the place but there may be some kind of trigger. They could be given all over the place like Aurora maybe but it wouldn't have to get the black eyed weird guy right? But let's just assume since there are two incidents in Connecticut that involve drugs. That maybe there's a single doctor who is handing out a lethal combo of stuff? It could be a doctor or it could be a program they're testing where was it let's face it the CIA has been working on this problem as and as they would consider it forever says that we know it goes back into the late 50s MKUltra yeah they were doping people up with LSD to see if you go you know if he could control them in return guess what? They finally figured out apparently. It is a possibility but I guess its such a loose cannon situation that you have to be, you have to...I don't think

52:43 I think they're still working on this problem because they you know, and I know something something's up We'll have to one more thing happens in Connecticut. Will no was Aaron Alexis ever in Connecticut? Erin Alexis yeah that guy Yeah with the black guy with the who looks like a maniac with those videos. Yeah Oh by the way do I have was at the clip that we played or you may have cut it short It was one of the report, yeah I think it was that Nightline Report. At the very end the guy says this is reminiscent of Aaron Alexis and he says who came in with a shotgun and then there's this weird pause and then he says and a handgun. He had to slip the hand gun thing. Yeah he came in with a shotgun with no ammo as we can see in the video and yet somehow was able to shoot off at least 50 rounds just from the shotgun

53:38 but they slipped this handgun thing and it was really annoying when I heard it. I'm trying to make a connection now between Aaron Alexis in Connecticut, I wonder if we could find that somehow? Well why don't we just type it into the Google? Yeah yeah I'm doing that but I haven't really come up with anything...Google doesn't isn't very handy Because so many stories about Aaron Alexis. That's actually the great thing about Google if you're trying to cover this stuff up, once the incident happens it's Google bombed! It's like you can't... I've tried this by the way because there are date search mechanisms that you can use with Google, use Julianne's and Julian dates, and you can get free stuff. But no Google overflows into the date searches too it makes a mess just like it's like Google just makes a mess once something once the event happens And you cant do a lot of research on google now that's why I'm running YACY but uh... I'll work on that. Now I've got like a Connecticut column. Eric and Alexia same thing treated for mental illness hearing voices

CHAPTER 18 / 53 Discussion

Targeted Advertising Failures, Amazon Big Data

The hosts mock the inaccuracy of big data and targeted advertising, noting that Amazon frequently suggests irrelevant products like "Honey Boo Boo" costumes. They discuss how searching for items like the Berkey water filter leads to persistent, unwanted ads.

amazon· berkey water filter· big data· honey boo boo· targeted ads

54:45 I've got this report here. I'm hearing voices Aaron Alexis, oh this is interesting This is from WFSB Eyewitness News Channel 3 which I believe is in Connecticut Yes same the same MO actually she was hearing voices She was being treated for this you know similar kinds of things supposedly mm-hmm well This is the same mo as this guy well that this could just be a bad batch Oh, nice advertising program here or there on this site. I got a little ad on the right Amazon dot com! I should buy the M-Audio device that i bought already Do you know how many people are angry at me for mentioning the Berkey water filter? So you google that thing once

55:40 And it follows you for months, no matter where you go. I still have a Berkey water filter. Amazon... This is just proof that all of this big data we can do it all? It's not true! Amazon are the only guys I believe should be able to know what I want and they today tried to sell me an Amazon cloud player for a PC. I'm sorry, I don't-I never use-I just don't use a PC They know what I'm accessing their music service with, with the Macs and with an iPhone thing. Yeah they should know technically that you have a Mac because they would keep these records but they don't this whole thing is... It doesn't work! The entire business it's a scam! It doesn't work! They're sending me like deals suggestions it's like outfits for honey boo-boo like little kids you know Halloween costumes yeah because you're looking weird stuff up for this show

56:34 No, I'm not looking up stuff for kids. Well i don't know where you got the honey booboo stuff. Baby is just looking to Mickey using it. But at this point we have no kids? No but she might like that show. Nah... I'm just kidding yeah they just Amazon really just doesn't know they just really don't know and if they don't know nobody knows nobody which is why we know luckily when people say how many people listen to Noah Jenner's I really don't know So you know, I said no. I don't know there's tracking and knowledge of numbers on the internet is also a lie that's just no way there's just no way you know exactly well then i'll take that back under certain circumstances if you're completely registered and you're logging in with passwords and there's logs yes

57:26 then you can know about stuff. But that's not how it works with a broadcast where we allow anyone to take the program, redistribute it... We've got BitTorrent Sync, we've got BitTorrents, we've got rehashes and people upload it to you there are a million different ways you can get this show. We have no idea how many people are listening but the good news is we don't care! Because we don't have to take that number and go to some advertiser and say well if you take a look at this high proportion of new agenda listeners are like They're in the 18 to 24 demo. That's right well first of all they're not Do have a lot of people in the demo? We've got people on the lower end of the demo in fact a lot of young youngins listening to the show

CHAPTER 19 / 53 Discussion

Podcast Metrics, Value-for-Value Model

The hosts explain why they do not track listener numbers or demographics, rejecting the traditional advertising model. They credit artist Joshua Pettigrew for the episode artwork and introduce the "Value-for-Value" funding system.

bittorrent· stats· joshua pettigrew· silk road· executive producers

56:34 No, I'm not looking up stuff for kids. Well i don't know where you got the honey booboo stuff. Baby is just looking to Mickey using it. But at this point we have no kids? No but she might like that show. Nah... I'm just kidding yeah they just Amazon really just doesn't know they just really don't know and if they don't know nobody knows nobody which is why we know luckily when people say how many people listen to Noah Jenner's I really don't know So you know, I said no. I don't know there's tracking and knowledge of numbers on the internet is also a lie that's just no way there's just no way you know exactly well then i'll take that back under certain circumstances if you're completely registered and you're logging in with passwords and there's logs yes

57:26 then you can know about stuff. But that's not how it works with a broadcast where we allow anyone to take the program, redistribute it... We've got BitTorrent Sync, we've got BitTorrents, we've got rehashes and people upload it to you there are a million different ways you can get this show. We have no idea how many people are listening but the good news is we don't care! Because we don't have to take that number and go to some advertiser and say well if you take a look at this high proportion of new agenda listeners are like They're in the 18 to 24 demo. That's right well first of all they're not Do have a lot of people in the demo? We've got people on the lower end of the demo in fact a lot of young youngins listening to the show

58:12 But also a lot of people who have kids in the demo, which is probably even better. I think we're pretty low... It would be nice to know but you were... We did have an NOA agenda guy doing some stats for us once and it's still self-selecting which makes it a problem. But doesn't matter because that's not our model and that's what great about it so let me with that say In the morning to you, John C. And in the morning to you Adam Curry! In the morning to all the ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there and there are plenty of them Yes, in the morning to our human resources they're in the chat room knowagenestream.com knowagenechat.net Thank you for your courage and thank you to our artist Joshua Pettigrew who did the art for episode 553 another outstanding piece of art that was this podcast has been seized image which I thought was great

59:04 That of course playing into the Silk Road seized hidden site, whatever. Looking forward to what we'll see today at noagenartgenerator.com and as I alluded our model here does not rely on numbers and registering people and tracking what they're doing and who's listening to show and how long where they're listening in how old they are... That's because our audience is not the product Exactly what you are hearing is the product our audience are the producers co-producers of the product and on every single show we love to hand out the executive producer credits at the right at the top there kind of the way now, You have an opening like on NCSI And then you get the plot. And then there's the opening credit so we have our executive producers and associate executive producers and unlike Thursday We have

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4K Television Technology, Sir David Foley

Sir David Foley, the "Duke of Silicon Valley," is thanked for his donation and his promotion of 4K televisions. The hosts discuss the visual quality of 4K content, the process of upconversion, and the potential impact of high-definition detail on television makeup.

4k tv· david foley· upconversion· hdmi· nose hair

59:55 Couple people today, which is not yeah We got some people luckily so let's start by thanking them our executive producers and associate executive producers for show five five four and back again is Sir David Foley the Duke of Silicon Valley and some other he's got the Duke of Mystery He's got a whole bunch of different titles when you can and he's also the one who sells we don't have his little plug Yeah, there it is. You can go to him at 4k special calm He is a specialist apparently now in selling for KTVS Oh really? yeah, that's what he's got a business in the whole thing and its uh And he's got this special discount for no agenda

1:00:34 Yeah, let me read the note here. He became a member of the 554 club. Oh! Soul member today? Soul Member. Dot six six he gave us for the celebration and in the morning John and Adam enclosed my donation to five five four five six which is Club 554 plus 6 cents a good major dollars is donations into purchases in my value for value campaign or case special dot com where i will continue to donate for each product sold using the discount code and any also so people can go buy something uh... from four k special dot com use the discount code and a the buyer gets fifty dollars off and then he matches that fifty dollars in a donation to the show

1:01:17 That's a serious donation thing he has going there. And he sold two apparently. Yeah, well I hope he sold more than two TVs but... Well no, two No Agenda TVs. We're mac and cheese people here man that is pretty good Yeah, well hopefully he's selling it. The 4K TVs are beautiful Jonathan and it turns out I was looking at his site a lot of them aren't that expensive What's if now miss Mickey had a question about the 4k TV She says will it ruin my experience when I see these people in every detail? Well, right now I think most of the stuff you're going to see on a 4K TV is going to be upconverted. Right but when we have actual 4k content... And if you can't see the nose hair on the HD signal it's going to be converted-upconverted

1:02:09 Don't see the nose hair. It'll still be just be a little nicer looking okay, and if and let's get over it I remember when the first analog TVs were went before pre HD TV They were always trying to get some other thing going on which analogue in was took the equipment was too expensive right? And it would digital save HD and When you first looked at these things say oh my god these this woman Is terrible looking, she's wrinkly and all the rest. They've fixed most of that with all kinds of filters and... Well they also have the spray-on makeup now Yeah you have to trowel it on And it works Trowel? I hadn't heard that expression in a while! Trowel it on! Curse shlap

CHAPTER 21 / 53 Discussion

Donation Segment, Elder of Zion Title

Individual donors are recognized, including Jonathan Rose, who requests the title "Sir Jono, Elder of Zion." The hosts also discuss mobile tracking services like Flurry and the persistence of spam messages following international travel.

jonathan rose· liam hemmings· paul simon· dr. kiki· flurry

1:02:56 I'm just thinking porn is gonna kind of get ruined by this 4k business. Oh, you're making me sick! Bobby Eden will be out of a job. Jonathan Rose $350 from Joe Rose nice Joe rose John in it John whatever Natanya in Israel, give me some money for my birthday. Got some money for my birthday last week via PayPal thought I'd complete my knighthood Would like to be known henceforth as Sir Jono elder of Zion All right

1:03:35 That's great The only show that actually has an elder of Zion. Yes, we have one of the elders of Zion as one of our knights People people made me thinking they've got conspiracy We got one of the elders right here people I'm gonna give him some karma for that. I love that good one You've got karma the elders of we have been compromised by the elders of Zion Liam Hennings Hemmings in Minton France mental mental $300 and I don't have a note from him, but you know that I still receiving at least four spam messages in French every day since you know since we were in France and

1:04:20 Oh, because I use the why. I don't know how they do it. The unique device ID is...I've been reading a lot about this Flurry thing or this Flurry application. No tell me. Yeah, Flurry is like a tracking service you can put into your app and it essentially tracks your unique device ID and some other things really across the entire spectrum. And so without divulging your email address directly It can eventually find another site with that can relate you to your email address or some other way of connecting to you through your unique device ID Because I didn't sign up for anything in French while I was there. I just might have used the Wi-Fi here and there And it's it's fascinating, but it's just it's fascinating To me that that a that had happened and be that that there's no

1:05:12 Well, I guess if they only could figure out that...I'm reading the messages but it's just the wrong message. Send me something I want! Well again... That's probably why you get all this stuff from Brazil Yeah yeah you and your tranny sites Oh yeah Paul Simon you wish. Paul Simon in Toronto, Ontario 250 and he wants is requesting a Dr.. Kiki growl shut up already science Yeah, yeah, dr. Kiki and finally Daniel Gray

CHAPTER 23 / 53 Discussion

Audio Equipment Troubleshooting, Performance Art

A technical interlude occurs as the hosts adjust audio levels and discuss the "performance art" nature of the podcast. They encourage listeners to visit various community websites, including No Agenda Nation and Innocent Show.

microphone· audio levels· performance art· dvorak.org· no agenda nation

1:08:26 Yeah, there's people and they're artists and they just do their thing. Ah yeah They're expressive annoyingly nice we're expressive too you know in our own artistic performance art way The show is a piece of performance total performance art that said we get the kind of money that performance artists get That's right We make it to nothing we make about we need a hat Well, we make about as much as the guy that is spray-painted gold Stands like a statue. Could you imagine us? We probably make more that way actually Hey, talk into the mic. I'm like an inch away from you. Alright then turn something up because something turned down and I don't know what happened Really? Yes really. Well let's give me 10 counts go 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8... I don't see what..really i'm like right on well I could play around with these buttons

1:09:26 On this new device Turn turn them all a little bit to the right. Let's see what happens just every every every knob you got just I'm not gonna do them all at once alright testing one two three four five six look All I know is that all of a sudden you just went down like 15 dog biscuits Oh, man no I have now your back so it's good. I don't know what's going on It's fine your side. That's fine So, I want to thank all these producers and executive producers for show 554 and remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA channel Dvorak dot com slash NA especially if you're a boner and go to channel Dvorak dot com oh i already said that

1:10:08 uh... what else no agenda nation dot com innocent show dot com and they should be a don't eat but i hope yes and usual icon as usual i would like to program your barrier brain for a moment here master of the house don't have enough time to go ahead with that it's not just any thank you very much is a real credits we will vouch for your life those forms of hollywood now about four months We hit people in the mouth. Order! Shut up, slave! Give the kid a new toy. These things are expensive. Yes, it's $35 bucks

CHAPTER 24 / 53 Discussion

BBC Bitcoin Coverage, Silk Road Market Shutdown

The BBC reports that the FBI shutdown of the Silk Road marketplace was a "major blow" to Bitcoin. The hosts dispute this claim, noting that the currency's value quickly recovered and suggesting the shutdown might actually legitimize Bitcoin for mainstream use.

bbc· bitcoin· silk road· ross ulbricht· dread pirate roberts

1:11:02 Yeah, they're Pretty junky to say Japanese garbage is what it is But I until I get the theremin now. I'm hoping somebody out there has a theremin in their attic There's a theremin kit you can buy and build no no no no It's really nice one though. That's a really nice one. No yeah, I know but they're desktop I want two big old clunker the original one that was on The Ed Sullivan Show I've never seen that So here's a little interesting diddy I picked up from the, from Auntie. From the BBC who apparently the BBC is just basically an American broadcast propaganda arm now

1:11:42 And when I'm here in Austin, and I'm in the car. It's all BBC America though Which are the BBC's you listen to on NPR? It's all BBC shows it's all BBC. Yeah, this is all Brits I hear all right well We'll have your say will why the world would you what you want your boogie good morning with BBC World hello This is all BBC people Anyway, here's something that I caught which is patently untrue but i thought it was interesting and this is in regard to the Silk Road shutdown. Now there has been a major blow for the digital currency Bitcoin A major blow? Major blow! To the digital currency BITCOIN Listen how she pronounces BIT-coin And she keeps on pronouncing BIT-Coin The FBI says its shut down the notorious Silk Road online marketplace

1:12:30 its alleged founder, 29-year old Ross William Obrecht who called himself Dread Pirate Roberts. Now the site which used bitcoins was made for allowing users to buy illegal drugs and engage in other criminal activities anonymously online." With Bitcoins! So this is patently untrue and I went to go look it up of course. There has been no major blow to Bitcoin It is at 130, almost $136 today the 6th of October Sunday. When the takedown took place it was hovering around 139-140 dollars went down to 109 and that of course is where uh the scammers came in and then started ticking up again when now it's up above the mid 130s

1:13:15 So A, why is the BBC saying this? So they could buy in. Well you have to wonder... It's like pump and dump! And was the Silk Road... there are a couple of things... Did you hear that secondary analysis after it popped back up where it belongs which is about 135 or so. Did you hear the secondary? This is like stock market analysis, you always get the biggest kick out of it. The market goes down and its because of this. The market goes up and its because of the same thing. So this was the thing I heard but And bitcoins back to where it was it appears that the shutdown of the Silk Road Legitimized Bitcoin hmm and now that is not associated with drug and all the rest of it apparently. It's now better Yeah, it's in the whole thing as those stressors still we have not Sorry about my finger slip I Loose loose hands here sorry about that

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Silk Road Financial Discrepancies, Courtroom Sketches

The hosts express skepticism regarding the reported $1.2 billion valuation of the Silk Road and the lack of photographic evidence of Ross Ulbricht. They question why only courtroom sketches have been released in 2013 and suggest the figures may be inflated by the FBI.

commissions· courtroom drawing· fbi· economic hitman· bitcoin scam

1:14:18 You know, so we still have not seen anything really in the news. It's like just a passing mention where this is supposed to have been like this... you know what? What is going on here stop! Like this unbelievable 1.2 billion dollar outfit I'm doubting that now I'm seriously doubting that they had that much money. There's no evidence of the 80 million in commissions, there is no evidence of this guy! All i've seen now is a courtroom drawing... Hello it's 2013 can we stop with the courtroom drawings already? With the sketch artist?! How was that supposed to make me believe he was even arraigned anywhere!? Why can't we have a photo of him??

1:15:03 I don't understand what the judge said. Oh, no this is a Bitcoin pirate we can't have a photo of him! What is that? This is a pet peeve of yours That and the fact that I just don't see the type of activity you would expect from this incredible win on the war on drugs No, I agree with that too. Well maybe the whole thing was just you know it did... Just a Bitcoin scam! It could be a Bitcoin scam it could mean they could have been drugs I mean you BBC had a person do it and you did it work for the system but that's not the same as 1 point X billion dollars which is a big operation yeah yeah You'd think there would be some more bragging Yeah

1:15:57 Anyway, that is also a pet peeve of mine. But then when I hear the BBC pontificating about it's been a major blow to Bitcoin... No! That's just not true and why don't you say a major blow to the war on drugs or you know or to the internet freedom? Or something just say something please but not that All right, so I have a little letter from our economic hitman. Well actually he sent me a note linking me to a story which i like to read Oh nice yeah we always love that Yeah this is not reported in the western media This is an actual economic hitman very similar to the confessions of economic hitmen He has never contacted only John Yeah well you have your own guy? Yeah no I have my own guy but he doesn't really like me I'm pretty convinced Your guy No your guy

CHAPTER 26 / 53 Discussion

Westgate Mall Looting, Kenyan Soldier CCTV

CCTV footage from the Westgate Mall attack in Kenya appears to show soldiers looting shops and emptying cash registers into plastic bags. The reports contradict official narratives about the military operation to secure the mall from terrorists.

westgate mall· kenya· looting· cctv· nakumatt supermarket

1:16:46 No, he's in love with you. It's a man crush. I don't know... I've known this guy for awhile. I think this guy is trying to handle me through you. Oh that could be! CCTV footage from the Westgate mall attack confirms that some soldiers took part in the looting. Virtually all of the shops in the mall were looted except the Bata shoe shop With jewelry and mobile shops emptied ATMs banks and a casino also lost funds amateur video They had a casino in the mall. Yeah, maybe that's like it like more like an arcade No, no would be a casino. Let me out you keep waiting I'll look You've seen those things in England that you know they're little drink eating casinos is it Africa? They don't gamble in Africa do they oh? No

1:17:47 I have it here, Kenyan soldiers filmed rifling cash registers. Amateur video shows bottles of alcohol all over Art Cafe after a drinking spree now the CCTV footage indicates that some soldiers looted started after the army took over the Westgate operation from the police on Saturday night Army who stole from okay here's that somebody said he witnessed this some of it going on three soldiers are seen walking out of the Nakumat supermarket with plastic shopping bags filled with cash. With his back to the camera one is seen at 9 12 p.m.. On Saturday September 21st emptying a cash register into the plastic nakumat bag while another soldier holds the bag open,

1:18:30 The soldier then collects another cash register which he empties into the bag. The faces of two soldiers, bareheaded and not wearing their berets are clearly visible in CCTV footage. Another KDF officer is seen walking out of the NACU mat supermarket with two big shopping bags in direction of the basement parking he returns after ten minutes and is seen walking around the supermarket looking at the shelves anyway goes on and on and apparently there's only four guys that went into him videos of them and by the way it's the soldiers that i saw robbing the passengers in the but not in the terminal in in nairobi wait a minute wait a minute sts stop how can we

CHAPTER 27 / 53 Discussion

Abu Anas al-Libi Capture, US Libya Operation

U.S. Special Forces captured Al-Qaeda operative Abu Anas al-Libi in Tripoli, Libya, in connection with the 1998 embassy bombings. The Libyan government has since questioned the legality of the operation, despite U.S. claims of cooperation.

al-qaeda· tripoli· libya· abu anas al-libi· bounty

1:19:13 I don't- how can we now square this with our incredible American prowess as SEAL Team 6 went in and got one of these? We shot him in his hideout. We killed him! It seemed, you know, because it's SEAL Team Six, you know, it's like team America You had some terrorism there? We're gonna come in and kill them?! and why did you hear what do you bring that up play the jesse ventura well i'll set you up with it i'll set you up with the report and then I want you to go to Jesse Ventura are two major US military attacks in Africa us special forces captured an al-qaeda operative wanted for the 1998 bombings on the u.s embassies in kenya and Tanzania Abu annas al libya has topped the most wanted list

1:19:59 for quite some time now he was captured in libya's capital of triple e how much one about this guy is alive in two months from now official says the operation was conducted with the knowledge of the libyan government us any five million dollar bounty on his head okay uh... quickly Libya is now saying, we didn't know about that. If you read the news reports this morning they are literally saying we have a couple questions about this thing you say we knew about and I found it also odd to hear all the news reports saying we did it with the knowledge of the Libyan government who gives a crap about the Libyan government? We took over that place, we bombed it. We run this show Why do you have to say that there's something weird about that we haven't figured out yet That's new information captured with the knowledge See he is saying again just as he says it with very emphasis With the knowledge The Libyan government Al-Libi joined al Qaeda soon after its founding and is considered a senior member

CHAPTER 28 / 53 Discussion

John Kerry Bali Speech, Somalia SEAL Raid

Secretary of State John Kerry, speaking from Bali, warns terrorist organizations that they "can run but they can't hide" following a Navy SEAL raid in Somalia. The hosts criticize the interventionist rhetoric and the ongoing military actions in Africa.

john kerry· bali· somalia· navy seals· al-shabaab

1:20:59 the terror group. Is this Don Lemon or is this Al Jazeera? This is Don Lemon. Now we go to Somalia Let's go to Somalia. US Navy SEALS team went on a mission to nab an al-Qaeda, an al Shabaab excuse me leader possibly linked to that Kenya mall attack that left 67 people dead the Navy seals had to withdraw before they could confirm he was killed because they were under fire and then we have Bali in this is uh now then and then will go to uh... Nightmarish bunch of bull crap oh yeah well here's John F Kerry the f means he is royal like Camelot fake it means fake F A K E and he's basically propagating the meme of Team America. The US Secretary of State John Kerry who has arrived in Bali to attend a meeting of Asian leaders said that recent actions in Libya and Somalia were a warning we hope this makes clear

1:21:54 The United States of America will never stop in its effort to hold those accountable who conduct acts of terror. And those members of Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations, literally run but they can't hide." So someone's gonna get fired for this audio being so crappy because you know John F. Kerry wants to make sure that his message is always heard but what he said is... I agree Just so you know bitches, You Can Run But You Can't Hide! From America, because no matter who you're terrorizing, you're terrorizing some poor Africans. We are going to come in there and kick your ass! Son?

1:22:33 This is so annoying. Please, I don't agree with this and 2014 don't we have like a vote midterms John? Can we vote is it possible in the 2014 midterm elections to actually vote every incumbent out? It would be nice but they probably won't do it But it's possible right? No it's not possible Everyone's up for re-election no? Yeah all Congress is re-elected every two years And the Senate? About third of them Oh, so they're not all in one go? No because it's a six-year and it's staggered. I have no idea how works. I'm American we don't understand our system How would you know that? But I'm angry about this enough please just stop

CHAPTER 29 / 53 Discussion

RT Host Abby Martin, Media Professionalism Critique

The hosts offer a harsh critique of RT host Abby Martin's presentation style and wardrobe, comparing her leadership to Christie Hefner's tenure at Playboy. They discuss the "Fox News formula" of using visual appeal to drive viewership in cable news.

rt· abby martin· christie hefner· playboy· television production

1:23:17 You know, just focus on getting the deal with Europe so we can ship our gas over there save the world economy. Stop blowing up crap! I'm tired of it. Stop killing people and why don't you go get the soldiers who were looting? The whole thing was apparently a scam but now you say you found the guy who was behind it and the guys in his like seaside cottage chilling out smoking a dube and then SEAL Team 6 comes in trying to blow him up It doesn't sound right. No, no it doesn't sound right at all so so Ventura was on breaking the set Oh Abby on the RT Abby and I have to now after watching her trying to be melodramatic And all the rest of it. I have to say you're I think you were absolutely correct I kind of probably would thought this originally but I'm You always criticizing me for being kind of harsh and She's an idiot

1:24:17 Yes, what I've always said but she no. I mean she's actually I think she's really an idiot I mean it's the watcher do her show She's terrible. I don't know. I mean she's pretty she would her good shot And she wait your body language everything sucks by the way But in-the-box shot with just of her face looking into the camera yeah gorgeous. She's beautiful Yeah into in-the-box shot is what you call that? Yeah the in-the-box. She's in the left mind never heard Oh in the box yes in the box in the box with the two box shot. No, she's an Oakland chick. She's gonna wear flats and stockings... Exactly! And hair is never going to be washed. Right! And you dress her up in kind of a sexy outfit and it doesn't work. By the way we're only talking as television professionals here We're not talking as... I'm glad that you clarified that because a lot people say well these two sexist pips... Misogynist A-holes no no yeah but that's what we sound like but when we go into this rant these are TV execs suits

1:25:19 were sounding like suits. And you look at this woman who's the exec producer of RT and you're like, oh no wonder. No wonder this is what she thinks is what the audience wants but it's not... Oh! This reminds me when Christina Hefner took over Playboy. Ah! The lesbian! Of course and that ruined it It ruined because she doesn't see what sexy to her as a lesbian Yeah I mean yeah and by the way I love lesbians but that's not the point She just does not have the hormonal qualifications. Right? God...

1:26:01 God. That's true, I know and you're just disgusting misogynist sexist pig! I'm already hating myself but this is how media talks go this is how the meeting goes it has to because otherwise nothing gets done and you know there was meetings about her taking over and oh and I'm sure Hugh assuaded the board of directors no don't worry about she's sensible she knows what a hot woman looks like and no no that magazine went downhill from the day she took over and never recovered So it's a men's magazine. Why would you put an out lesbian in charge of kind of screwball mens magazines, that was really quasi-political about the sexual revolution? It makes no sense!

1:26:57 But that's just so they have this spy woman running RT and you know She's a first-time mom, and she's she'd you know we know what you need I mean look at the success formula people Fox News legs That's it legs So they dress poor Abby up who write is it flats Birkenstock kind of you know probably even dockers with a flat butt oh That's how she walks around all day and then they dress her up, and she's wobbly on the shoes She's totally wobbly is that you can tell she's gonna fall over But then she doesn't have to what's the point of her being in heels that tall no reason for it And then yeah, and then she's trying to do the whole outrage about how crazy everything is but she's reading a script and she can't Make me yes. She can act all right so with that said where are we at okay? With that said she's got Jesse Ventura on and she's actually

CHAPTER 30 / 53 Discussion

Jesse Ventura on SEAL Team 6, Extrajudicial Assassination

Former Governor Jesse Ventura appears on RT to discuss the glorification of SEAL Team 6. The hosts analyze a segment where the interviewer refers to the unit as an "extrajudicial assassination" group, noting Ventura's history with unit creator Dick Marcinko.

jesse ventura· seal team 6· dick marcinko· rt· assassination

1:27:54 thrilled, she's really happy to see him. So he came out and talked about the Kennedy assassination. How topical! And so she asked him a few questions that are kind of about Bin Laden and some other stuff but let's play a few of these clips and we'll see. Play the one that is the Ventura Seal Team 6 story I got the story spelled wrong, but it's a typo. I get it! It was much better in the old days where we simply wore green uniforms with jump wings and wore no other insignias at all to indicate who we were. And SEAL Team 6 was the highly secretive one In fact my good friend Dick Marcinko is the creator of SEAL Team Six He writes all the Rogue Warrior books and Dick's the one that created SEAL Team Six The anti-terrorist unit

1:28:50 and I've had personal friends that have served in SEAL Team 6. They weren't even knowing that they wouldn't even acknowledge SEAL Team 6 existed and now today They're like every day everyone knows it. Everyone wants to be one and Hollywood wants to exploit them Jimmy What is it about Jesse Ventura that I that? No longer really works for me because when that when you know, he was first It's his cadence and his and he's also somewhat I think he's full of crap Well, that's kind of what I'm feeling at first. This guy's pretty awesome He brags about certain things. Is he? I don't know. Well, I thought he was and so let's play this clip here. Ventura... the first guy that should have been actually played first because she says this is this is the sealed

1:29:36 Fail fail yeah, this is where she calls the SEAL team six an assassination unit and we by the way deconstructed seal Team Six when the bin Laden situation took place And I mean the guys who were killed afterwards in a helicopter accident well No, we before that. We talked about the group being at a extraction Unit yeah, and an anti-terrorist right they were not a assassin no so she says that in here And he doesn't call her on it. I don't know if he's not paying attention, but i find him weird. But play that clip. Former Navy SEAL do you find it weird that Seal Team 6 a group that embodies this extrajudicial assassination has been glorified in the mainstream? No! I'm upset people even know about the seal team because back when I was in the navy

1:30:26 They weren't even hardly known to the public now. They've turned them into the Green Berets movies about them this about them that about them Yeah, okay yeah that is in extra judicial assassination which is well Maybe he didn't understand what she was saying or maybe that's possible because she's reading that and she's blowing through it She's reading yeah cuz in fact let's play that again interesting you say that so with the knowledge that she Did not have this in her head extrajudicial. What did she say? Extrajudicial assassination She's reading this off the prompter or off of the paper, and I agree she's not enunciating properly Former Navy SEAL do you find it weird that seal team six a group that embodies This extrajudicial assassination has been glorified Yeah, she's fumbling through us. You couldn't even read it

CHAPTER 31 / 53 Discussion

E. Howard Hunt Confession, JFK Conspiracy Theories

Jesse Ventura discusses the deathbed confession of Watergate figure E. Howard Hunt, who allegedly admitted to involvement in the JFK assassination. The hosts explore the lack of mainstream media coverage regarding Hunt's claims and his son St. John Hunt's efforts to publicize the story.

e. howard hunt· jfk· cia· watergate· st. john hunt

1:31:13 So I don't think he heard it, John. Quite honestly Yeah, that could be It could have been anything He's like what? What?! And meanwhile he is looking like Man girl you can't stand on those heels She can't! So here are a couple of things We'll just get these out the way Here is Ventura on Hunt Yeah, what is this about? This is a... she's bringing up just trying to talk about the book and he brings up a point which I think kind of interesting because it's the point that I bring up every so often when we talk about radical Muslims. The media is always saying oh or not the media but talking head pundits, the Buchanans and all these guys that are on

1:31:58 McLaughlin report and all the rest of them, always saying stuff like oh if the Muslims would only speak up. The Muslims themselves would only speak up about these radicals. Oh right they do it's just no one ever puts them on the air. They do! They speak up all the time and there are plenty of websites that condemn this and the rest of it but never put them on the air Ben Shura's belief that this was common during the Kennedy assassination. Jesse, a majority of Americans believe this they believe that JFK was assassinated by a conspiracy and also a majority of people have questions about 9-11 also knowing this how does it feel to go on shows like Piers Morgan and other shows in mainstream media and to be ridiculed and painted

1:32:38 painted as a lunatic for bringing up these issues. Wow, I'm sorry this what a dumb question but a dumb question and the cadence with which he asks it. No her cadence is that's because she's on all the time and you think she learned to read from a prompter more naturally nobody talks like no they don't. These issues well because we'll show you in mission to anyone that questioned it, that's how they do. They try to marginalize you. They try to make it seem like your a conspiracy nut That's where the mainstream media comes in because they are also culpable of this deal because excuse me

1:33:24 Many times you hear, well someone would have talked. Many people have talked it's simply mainstream media won't report that they did I'll give you an example I have an audio, visual and written confession from E. Howard Hunt from Watergate of the CIA He did a deathbed confession to his son St John Hunt We've got it all on tape we aired it on my TV show It should have been headlines across America E. Howard Hunt admits he was part of JFK conspiracy to kill him It didn't receive one word

1:34:02 of mainstream media coverage, not a word that E. Howard Hunt had confessed to an outside participation he even named who did it. Yeah. That's enough. Well, that does kind of slip into this... By the way for people out there who want to have some fun read the E. Howard Hunt Wikipedia entry it is quite fascinating because they've got all kinds of stuff some whoever put that together did a pretty good job yeah I don't know anything about E. Howard Hunt i don't know he was one of the plumbers with during the Nixon Watergate break and he was one of the guys who's an old CIA hack from the early days

1:34:44 He's the guy was cited along with a couple these other guys in the book The Legacy family what's that one family of secrets family of secrets? he was cited as one of the guys who they believe the writer believes purposely Screwed that deal up so they could get Nixon caught right That's that guy Yeah, I what I always like about that book Great book everyone should read the only person in the world who doesn't remember where he was on the day The JFK was killed is George H. Walker Bush There was a this kind of rolls into a public policy polling report that came out earlier in the week and

CHAPTER 32 / 53 Discussion

Public Policy Polling, Conspiracy Theory Survey

A survey by Public Policy Polling examines American beliefs in various conspiracy theories, including the existence of the "Men in Black" and secret societies like Skull and Bones. The hosts analyze the partisan and ethnic breakdowns of the survey results.

ppp· skull and bones· men in black· black helicopters· sharia law

1:35:36 about conspiracy theories and And actually the the press release says here Republicans more likely to subscribe to government conspiracy theories, and I always love these reports in and the percentages No, I just want to run through a couple of things. I thought some of the questions actually were very Interesting that this is what's considered Government conspiracies and there so they pulled I guess you went through all the questions then they said are you Republican, are your Democrat independent not sure etc. You mean like the Gulf of Tompkins government conspiracy? Well unfortunately that wasn't one of the questions strangely enough. Oh fascinating! That one got busted it only got outed but some of the questions are great do you think the Obama administration is secretly trying to take everyone's guns away

1:36:28 Do you think there is a secret society such as Skull and Bones that produces most of America's political and financial leaders to serve the interests of the wealthy elite? These are really great questions. Do you think that a government organization such as the Men in Black exists to stop people from finding out that aliens do exist and live amongst humans on Earth? I like the way they mix these things so you have something this actually has some credibility with a piece of fiction that was shown on the movie screens Do you think the US government has engaged in the assassination of entertainers who've tried to spread a counterculture message they didn't like, such as John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, Tupac Shakur and others? These are very interesting questions.

1:37:15 Do you think it's easy to have a person killed and get away with it if you have enough money? Is that really a conspiracy question?" How is that a conspiracy question?! Well, 54% of... You think you'll get caught if you run a red light after midnight. Well, 54 percent of Americans according the survey think it IS easy 27% no and 18% were not sure. They will be dead soon by the way that 18%. Do you think, this is my favorite I love this a lot... do you think that major sporting events like the NBA playoffs or the Super Bowl are sometimes rigged by referees and league offices to create an outcome that will lead to better ratings and more money and publicity for the sport?

1:38:01 32% of Americans think yes, 49% think no. And those 32% listen to NO AGENDA! Do you think the US government has a secret fleet of black helicopters that will be used in an eventual United Nations military takeover of the United States? This is not even... I mean this is... This is dumb, but this is well someone paid for it. Let's look at some of the results I have a just highlighted a few the whole thing of course in the show notes 5-5 4 dot any show notes calm marked up appropriately Secret Society produce to serve the elite 20% of Democrats say yes 15 percent of Republicans say yes

1:38:47 Well that doesn't make sense with the basic thesis. Interesting, which is the Republicans are all in on this and Democrats... That's why I highlighted that so this is the skull and bones so apparently Democrats are thinking skull and bones there's something to it right then we have Obama trying to take away guns? This is now Hispanic and white The base, 36%, says yes. 31% of Hispanics believe Obama's trying to take away guns but we all know that the Hispanic community is great if they can only speak English it'd be great for no agenda If you speak in Spanish it's not gonna happen But they love our show

1:39:26 Are sports rigged even? 31% across the board. Democrats, Republicans, Hispanics, whites everyone... How does this fit into this thesis that Republicans are nuts I'm just wondering where I don't get it and not getting it Now like this Does the government have black helicopters for the United Nations takeover? Whites 6%, African-Americans 16%, Hispanic 20%. Exactly They know the truth, man. They see him. A lot of the thing they don't put in there is questions like do you think a lot of sports are rigged because of gambling interests? Yeah or mobsters I mean i was at a horse race with their favorite horse...I was betting on this horse and then I forgot this is years ago about four years ago Sharbone or whatever some famous horse that was the fastest thing on the track

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Global Banking Power Grid, Electronic Currency Slavery

The hosts discuss a survey question regarding world bankers eliminating paper currency to force citizens into electronic slavery. They debate the likelihood of a deliberate power grid failure used as a tool for global financial control.

power grid· paper currency· slavery· world bankers· conspiracy

1:40:19 And they put all the horses in this little thing there where you get them ready to go before you open the gate. And his gate opens! Just one gate out of the blue, a horse takes off and then breaks his leg. Whoops... I'm thinking wait a minute.... Let me just ask you a couple more questions here from this server. I can't believe someone paid money for this Wow, do you think a group of world bankers is slowly eliminating paper currency until most banking is done electronically and then will cut the power grid so that most citizens will not have access to any money and will be forced into worldwide slavery? Well we got part of it right. I think that's what's wrong they're asking too much! Is like eliminating paper currency yes

1:41:06 It's obvious because that's what they're doing. But then they throw in the cut, the power grids well no I mean... They throw in some bull crap! No you need-you need the control is there though and only 17% of Americans believe that 65 percent say no. Surprised any of them believe it Do you think Barack Obama is secretly trying to figure out a way to stay in office beyond 2017? Surprisingly 25 percent of Americans do so This is a common belief with every president gets reelected The same thing was Bush Oh he's gonna run for a third term term, oh they're gonna change the Constitution and there's always one or two boneheads. There is one guy in particular that every year he offers a constitutional amendment to repeal the term limits on the precedent. He does it every time the session is in never passes obviously and it wouldn't pass the states anyway

1:41:58 But he does it all the time and they always point to that. Oh, this guy's trying to make it so the president can get a third term! Yeah well now it'll be martial law! Right? He's gonna do something... I'm very disappointed by- These guys don't need that. They make so much scam money look at Clinton has become a billionaire after he left office. A hundred billionaire Question 12 is very disappointed. Only 3% of Americans believe this. Do you think the US government has secretly allowed aliens to take over our society in exchange for help with industrial technological advances such as electric power and the microwave? Very, very sad only three percent of Americans believe that

1:42:40 Well, that's a good sign. Do you think Muslims are... I think they do a little better than what we've got. Yeah please! Do you think Muslims are covertly implementing Sharia law in American court systems or not? I would say yes But it's not Muslims. That's not a conspiracy, it's just a fact No, it's not even a fact I mean you can't pose everything as a conspiracy Do you think that cops hide behind trees and stop at speed limit signs in hopes to get people You know for speeding? Yeah, that's the conspiracy Is that a conspiracy? Yes 26% of Americans believe that Everything is a conspiracy apparently

CHAPTER 34 / 53 Discussion

FDA Furloughs, Food Supply Scare Tactics

Media reports suggest that FDA furloughs during the government shutdown will lead to higher food prices and safety risks. The hosts dismiss these claims as "crock," noting that many furloughed workers are being recalled with back pay.

fda· government shutdown· food safety· inspections· supply chain

1:43:21 Yes, well you know how words are maligned. There you go. Yeah who is the public policy polling? What is this outfit? Never heard of them No and I see them all the time it's that the PP logo You'd notice it immediately PPP latest round of conspiracy theory related questions finds Republicans are more likely than Democrats to believe various government-related conspiracy theories Well this is clearly meant to make people look like idiots Alright, I've got a couple of you know the math thing. I was into these people with this these numbers because they shut down Yes yes, and not a couple here that I could get it I want to hear you play this one the play this clip is called the FDA crock-off shit Ah I noticed that clip the FDA which checks fruits and vegetables for quality and safety has furloughed nearly half its workforce in cancelled routine inspections

1:44:25 The consumer may see prices rise if things cannot be imported because inspections are not being done. There may be less of a choice in the grocery store. Fewer inspectors means higher prices. It puts me and my family at risk if the cruise vendors aren't being inspected, and if the price increases as well it puts a strain on our budget. Yeah this is... Well now we... Wait let me ask you a question before you go on How does laying off half of the FDA make prices go up? It seems to me that it would cost less to have the lesser number of inspectors. Many of them I think are paid in various subsystems that work through the food industry

1:45:09 Why would it make prices go up? I'm asking you. How does it, what's the correlation between we have less inspectors which means you can really flood the market with stuff at a cheaper price! What they're saying in their report is if we have less inspectors, less food gets approved for sale so there's less supply... That's not the way it works. That's what they're saying! Look, the whole thing is bogative anyway and turns out everyone gets to go back paid vacation, you were right Everyone's going back? Yeah, and it's a paid vacation. No but they're going back- did you read this morning?

CHAPTER 35 / 53 Discussion

California Truancy Costs, School Funding Models

California school districts report losing $1.4 billion annually due to student truancy. The hosts argue that the state views students as "profit items" because federal funding is tied to daily attendance records, which explains the opposition to homeschooling.

truancy· california· homeschooling· department of education· profit center

1:45:46 Half of the furloughed workers are going back. Yeah, because they're getting paid anyway Right I know this whole thing's a joke so here's it I got another money maker here for you I got two clips one is truancy part 1 and truancy part 2 first play This is a horrible situation Truancy and by the way this all is plain hooky right isn't it not showing up for school going to school not going to school Yeah, you want me to play it? Yeah part one sorry. 250 000 California kids are expected to miss a tenth of the school year and research shows that first graders who miss more than nine days of school a year are twice as likely to drop out in high school.

1:46:30 Okay, first of all that's a cause and effect. That's bullcrap So let's just get that out of the way if somebody is missing A lot of school is not because they missed the school They have other problems And which probably caused him to miss school and probably causes further hangover you got a hangover You know high on weed whatever he can't always go through it now Now here's the part that this is the part besides that being bogus I want to play part two and then this is where again, I get into the numbers thing. In San Jose Chris Sanchez NBC Bay Area News Thanks Chris and more details now as Chris just mentioned California school districts lose 1.4 billion dollars a year because of truancy it's proven that chronically truant students are likely to drop out

1:47:10 or turn to crime. And the cost of incarceration, lost productivity and dropouts costs California more than 46 billion dollars a year. Yeah I okay even i'm like what? What bullcrap! 46 billion dollars a year because the kid didn't show up? Yeah. Why?! And how do you get to 1.4 billion dollars a year because the kid didn't show up so in other words, I'll tell you what their problem is. Someone's stealing. The 1.4 billion is because the state has sold out to the federal government who pays on a per head basis they don't care about educating anybody if this kids shows up I think the state gets 100 bucks or something like that and so the kids don't show up they don't get the money from the feds and that's why they have to keep careful enrollment records and Billy you here yeah bad Joanie and then they won't lie, i dont know why not

1:48:04 And that's why homeschooling is frowned upon because those are kids that could be making money for the state. So the kids have become a profit item, a profit center by showing up. Ah! I see if you can't keep the kid in school you get less money? Right This is well this is the charter school issue right? This is the Department of Education at work I had an interesting dinner last night, and I've been sworn to secrecy about some but this this does eventually back to wait a minute Yes, I can't talk about it. Just yet. It can't put someone in danger Okay like like me like legal hassle danger because these guys we eventually so we let it all hang out And by the way come and sue us good luck

CHAPTER 36 / 53 Discussion

Common Core Standards, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is linked to studies praising the Common Core State Standards. The hosts discuss the influence of the Gulen movement on charter schools in Texas and warn that the new standards are designed to "dumb down" the population.

common core· bill gates· gulen movement· scholastic· national governors association

1:48:48 Like hey, what do you want? The word is called judgment proof. Yeah you want my microphone I mean what do you want this and that you can only take so much or you can't bleed money from a stone my friends So this all comes back to common core It comes back to the, interestingly enough, the Gulen movement. Remember we talked about this guy who's holed up in Pennsylvania? He's financed 50 charter schools in Texas. Right and they're all Sharia Muslim schools Yes! And it's all crazy curriculum Well the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation are involved as well Surprise surprise and they just finance a study This is how it works by the way

1:49:31 Oh yeah, well Bill knew he learned this when he was at Microsoft. They'd finance bogus studies and then put them... I busted him on a couple of years ago because they would never say who paid for the study it would be like why people love Windows? And so obviously what was going on, so I called the company. I badgered them until they told me that Microsoft paid for the study and directed the study So it's like oh come on! So BMGF Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation have financed a study and the outcome of the study is astounding John

1:50:07 K-12 teachers praised the Common Core Standards as the perfect way to improve students' thinking skills. Data for the study was provided by a national online survey conducted by The Harrison Group, wherein 20,000 public school educators were questioned There were 20,000 participants. The study was published by Scholastic Inc.. These are all tied into this and with the backing of... there it is I told you to look out for them! The National Governors Association Remember this bunch of jabronis? Were their 50 million dollars in the kitty? Yeah. 50 million dollars your kids yeah This thing it's mind-boggling really what this is Your kids are about to be pulled into a robotics program

1:50:56 And you must stop it. If you have CCSS, Common Core Scholastic Standards in your state and Texas says they don't have it but they do is just called something different here You have to stop this! You got a homeschool your kids. It's like public tap water is really no longer safe for human consumption anywhere in the world By the way, you know what's good is that zero device not the one that you were talking about but it It said you get a Costco there. The water is delicious That comes out of them now I like my Berkey and by the way on this page And I'm looking at right here there it is again and already have one they could have marketed something else to me anyway Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, this is the great ass its genius Yeah works so well in work So we have big data at its best

CHAPTER 37 / 53 Discussion

Cursive Writing Removal, Keyboard Skills Transition

Critics of Common Core argue that the removal of cursive writing requirements will leave future generations unable to read historical documents or sign their names. The hosts discuss the shift toward keyboarding and the potential loss of independent research skills.

cursive· handwriting· keyboarding· literacy· anti-common core

1:51:51 Um... Free lesson plans, please check out commoncorecollective.com I'm on their Facebook page they have a huge Facebook page with 513 likes! Hey wait a minute how can you be on a Facebook page if you don't have a Facebook account? It's one of the open uh there are some Facebook pages Okay alright no all right as long as your telling me I believe ya Telling ya guys most of them i cant get under Under the CCSS new standards of learning have been implemented with the express purpose of dumbing down the population Says that? I say this. Basic knowledge of the classics without a focus on reading comprehension, reinvention of writing skill to focus on keyboard and typing skills for college and career readiness... So you can't even scribble out a note to your buddy when you're imprisoned

1:52:38 You can scratch your initials on the wall. No, they won't even teach printing! There's no handwriting none! None we have to stop all handwriting you must use machines Do you think that kids will literally no longer have the ability to write? Yes I do Hey you just dropped in dog business again are you moving away? I didn't move anywhere Really this is frightening John Talk into the mic I'm talking like if i actually too close to the mic and not...I don't have a fist distance That's really weird. Let me see what's going on over here. I keep talking for a minute, and I'm talking away You just did you pause the recording? Oh oh well okay? Well hello everybody

1:53:18 So yeah, no I believe that kids will not be able to write a word with their hands. In fact it'll be alien the whole idea! Yeah and by the way the next step is they won't be able to read But they will be able to sign their credit agreements With an X Which is a whisper by the way Or a design, a little design. A little smiley face with a heart Well and this is another part learning how to speak improperly by integrating slang and other alternative modes of communication such as emoticons You should say that this is what I'm saying. Oh, yeah Yeah There's a list okay does that I'm reading from a website read from the lists without ad-libbing? I'm so I can actually hear what the list says okay with this list is from people who are against Common Core oh That oh, that's why I'm that's why I'm telling you is that I'm giving you the anti common core Okay

1:54:12 I misunderstood that, you're actually reading from some talking points from Common Core. No these are talking points from anti-Common Core Alright well those are valuable Learning how to speak improperly using media as a form of learning to train students become dependent on mainstream media for their information while deemphasizing personal research and independent thought replacing cursive writing with courses on keyboard and focus on improving typing skills Why is cursive writing important John? I don't know. I think there's something, there is something very valuable to it actually Yeah well one thing if you can't read it you use it as code very effortlessly Right

CHAPTER 38 / 53 Discussion

Amateur Radio Testing, Memorization vs. Comprehension

Adam Curry describes the testing process for U.S. amateur radio licenses, where questions and answers are published in advance. This leads to a discussion on the cultural emphasis on memorization in India and its impact on modern educational standards.

ham radio· fcc· sanskrit· india· memorization

1:54:52 I probably have something to do with the way the brain works if you can do cursive and you can, you know make it readable. I think it affects the way the brain is structured as opposed to printing block letters like everybody does but in ways It's very and you see this system all across America And it is government-sponsored I will give you a I'm gonna reveal a huge secret which has been revealed on this This program before but I'm going not a reveal anymore. It's a re-reveal. It's a real reveal The test for amateur radio operators in the United States, there's three levels technician general and extra. In all three cases the questions and the four multiple choice answers by law, by government regulation are published

1:55:44 So that you can literally, and it is the same...you will not get all the questions. No you get a selection of published questions. And answers! Public Questions with the answers. And it's not just like one of them is no, it's the actual four answers that you will see on the test. The only difference is the order so if I can remember the question and the answer Of 300 questions you ace this test without any knowledge whatsoever of anything yeah, and that is the standard of American the American system

1:56:23 If you can memorize it, and by the way I'm not entirely against that all the time. In this case I feel that you're receiving a license to learn and I kind of like that but if that's not how you want kids to understand, to comprehend and not just be good at testing which is what it's all about! And this is being prophesied by Bill & Melinda Gates... The lizard people This is why Indians do so well in these environments. The Indians from India, the ones who never donate to the show because they're cheap. Because they are smart apparently? No no they're good at memorization They are extremely good at it because this was the last culture in the world, the last major culture that had a written language

1:57:17 And they never even invented it themselves, it was given to them. It was Sanskrit They were the...they had to memorize everything! They had to memorize how their books were kept, they had to memorize stories All of this stuff that we would normally just say well go read Homer's book or your recent play So they are the memorization genetically superior So does that not mean there is a valid point? What's the valid point if as long as you can memorize? You will you will be great gas exactly no it's true. I don't know anything You just have to know right so how if I look at India, it doesn't look like it's working for everybody No, it's a horrible place So maybe it's not such a great idea after all I don't know what the problem is with India

1:58:08 They just don't have any respect. That's why they don't donate to the show. Yeah, they got no respect. No respect. That's it. No respect. I'm gonna show my support by donating to Know Agenda! Imagine all the people who could do that? Oh yeah that'd be fab! First they go after the white trash then the Indians... It's not a good show for me Now, it's a great show. I think you're doing fine. Pedro... oh no, Pedro Villafon or Villafane, Villafan I guess, Villafain Oh man! El Cid Campiodor! Oh it's El Cid Campiodor from the fifth column of course in Sepulpa Oklahoma

CHAPTER 39 / 53 Discussion

Colossus: The Forbin Project, Science Fiction Film

John C. Dvorak recommends the film "Colossus: The Forbin Project," noting its relevance to modern concerns about the NSA and autonomous computer systems. The hosts also briefly mention the cult classic "Death Race 2000."

colossus· forbin project· nsa· death race 2000· movies

1:58:53 He wants to round a comrade everybody might as well give it to him. I suggest you watch the movie Colossus, The Forbidden Project yeah it's great great movie. What is that? Oh thats the movie where they create this computer its kind of actually more better movie now than before the NSA stuff. It kinda takes...the computer meets with another computers very similar next thing they are running the world these computers and it's actually a well done science fiction movie. Oh yeah, we'll put it on the list and here goes round of karma to everybody! You've got karma He also has listed on there the last chase network of course is a classic yes, but the last chase I believe it's that the one where the guys got these sports car and he's shooting to count free California which was the last bastion of democracy in the world By turns out you can get across the country with which is bit Which is abandoned cars so nobody can really travel around and this guy gets there somehow as this very interesting movie It's fun

1:59:55 uh... not as good as death race two thousand hey my buddy did death race but to win three will be free and a bit part i can get one in four perhaps yeah all i want it you know that's what i should be in debt three you and i can both the in the no agenda car we will die quickly he had killed himself again yet now has something close up with them with howard i'm working on work another brother more than our journey wilson ninety nine sixty six in charleston south carolina anonymous and frivolous spending New Jersey you know who you are $75 Josh Josh Morris app it hello now I see it we have a bunch of 69 69 errs today Josh Morrish Morrish Morris in Kearney Missouri

CHAPTER 40 / 53 Discussion

Donor Recognition, Birthday Shoutouts

A lengthy list of donors is read, including those contributing specific amounts like $69.69 and $66.66. The hosts offer birthday wishes and acknowledge personal stories from producers, such as Brandon St. Armand's family situation.

69.69· 66.66· baroness tanya wyman· michael madaloni· okc

2:00:47 Christopher Gray in Grand Blanc, Michigan. Sam Menner in Box Hill South Victoria. Penton Technologies and Tonawanda New York AJ in One Tree Hill South Australia Jeffrey Maxwell in Cranberry Township Pennsylvania and that closes our 69-69. Congratulations to all of you receiving your Swazilnaf Karma for those who don't know just think of what 69 means those who donate that amount usually get it If they're lucky. Mm-hmm Colin Callen, Callen Nistory in Northville Michigan these are all 6666 Congratulations sack of six sack of six guys when is our anniversary a sixth anniversary is coming on the 28th 26 or 20 23rd no No, no 26 to the 28 could be the 23rd how come we can't remember? We're Gary Howell Houston Texas Lucas

2:01:41 Zouwa I think. Zee-wah probably is. Zeewa, zeewaa. In Munich Germany... Deutschland That's nice. Baroness Tanya Wyman in New York, New York She got a birthday call out I think she has a sling box but i think it died. I don't think it works Brandon St. Armand in Woodstock Ontario He drives 20 hours round trip every weekend to help his brother take care of their mom who's dying of cancer. It's terrible and the show helps the hours go by more quickly with the information, the laughs I get from you guys worth way more than i can afford to give you right now uh if you don't mind i'd like to yeah no why would it be a little bit of fuck cancer karma. You thought karma. If you don't mind for everybody Michael Bowling or bowling depending on how you want to pronounce it in Goleta California Nick Barnes in North Canton Ohio

2:02:46 pre-night of the living dead in Buxton, Derbyshire. He's got a birthday coming up and that closes our 6666 where we do have 66 flat out with from Kenneth Cross and Felton Pennsylvania also 5555 from John W Schumann in Wis Madison Wisconsin Israel's cazares parts unknown I got a birthday thing coming up, 52 bucks. Baron Von Gerlach in Lincoln California 5149 Sir Kevin Payne 5069 Chantilly Virginia Sir Jake Milligan Las Wages Nevada the Birthday Boy Michael Madaloni in Chicago these are all $50 Raleigh Hawken Anna Illinois Christopher Walker parts unknown Matthew Januszewski in Chicago and finally

2:03:40 Patrick Maycombe in Mount Vernon, New York. Sir Brett Farrell in Oklahoma City. Sir Alan Bean over here in Oakland where Abby was from and Bogdan Lachendo in Irvine Texas I want to thank every one of those folks for helping us do show 554. We appreciate it, and we remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA to continue to help us out. We have a show coming up on Thursday hopefully the newsletter will arrive at its final destination for a change And i would also like to just add Raleigh Hawker was sending out some love to The Love is Life Robin for speedy recovery from her car wreck along with his donation there. Just wanted to mention that one right

CHAPTER 41 / 53 Discussion

Bank Check Bundling, Credit Union Processing

The hosts discuss the logistics of receiving donations via physical checks, noting that some smaller banks and credit unions bundle multiple checks into a single envelope to save on postage. They contrast this with larger institutions like Chase.

po box· bank checks· credit unions· chase· processing centers

2:04:24 Well, okay. Didn't quite make up for Thursday but thank you very much we highly appreciate the support of the program this is the only way that we can do it go to Dvorak dot org slash NA more and more people seem to be using the PO box for checks though that seems to be working out quite well Yeah, a lot of people have done the deal with the bank. You go to the bank and do a time payment plan and you say you want us in The No Agenda show, you get the name, the address everything's available there on their support page And we like it...and we get a check every month A lot of people send us $50 dollars a month Oh yeah! I just got a note from someone who upgraded from 1111 to 50 a month Yeah Um..and also ya know it uh There is no fees for us involved right? There are no fees for them usually So its kind of win-win-win

2:05:11 It's kind of funny when they come in because there is like apparently from what I can tell, there are maybe five processing centers that take care of all the banks. because the checks... Oh that's right, they bundle them all and they send them all in one go. Well that's the funny thing is that most of them send individual checks except for the all the little credit unions because I checked the banks you know Chase has their own system and then some have these crazy there are a bunch of crazy systems i'm gonna probably make a video on cause they're interesting to me but does one group and it usually small credit unions small banks and whole bunch of others whenever they have a system that they bundle

2:05:50 all the checks in one envelope from all the different people. And so you open this envelope and there's like maybe 10, 20 checks in there or maybe five. There is always more than one or two but everybody else sends a check it just seems like a money loser because they're sending a check and a check as opposed to these guys who pile them into one envelope and pay one postage Well, it certainly works for us so we appreciate that. Anyway it doesn't affect the contributor producer but... It just affects the banks and you have to wonder about some of these banks And of course thank you Sir David Foley Jonathan Rose Liam Hemings Paul Simon and Daniel Gray for being our executive producers and associate executive producers Thank you everyone no matter what you've donated or what you've done We appreciate it! Its only way we make it work But we do make it work somehow miraculously Devorac.org

CHAPTER 42 / 53 Discussion

Knighting Ceremony, Sir Jono Elder of Zion

Jonathan Rose is officially knighted as "Sir Jono, Elder of Zion." The ceremony includes the traditional humorous list of rewards, such as geishas and fried chicken, and acknowledges his transition from a critic to a supporter of the show.

knighting· elder of zion· jonathan rose· sir gq· round table

2:06:40 slash and so don't know john rose he celebrated last week will be nighting in a moment to be uh... congratulate him after the fact that i was telling you why men turning out well celebrating today as it's going on talk about ages of our fairness is here on this show united living dead morgan blake celebrated last thursday israel Yeah, it's a little annoying.

2:07:30 That was static. Yeah, and we've got oh actually today sir Nate that's certain GQ becomes a baronet so he'll be on his way to Baron hood very soon as the Request probably our most handsome patron is that right? Oh, it's sir GQ Oh, okay. Guys smoking hot! You can't call yourself that unless you're good looking. Exactly because that would be wrong. It would be very wrong. Hey Jonathan Rose step forward sir nice to see you joining our knights here at the round table along with the dames, the barons, the dukes, the grand dukes

2:08:14 And today we are very proud to add you to the list and hereby pronounce thee Sir Jono, Elder of Zion! Come on over for your hookers and blow. Three geishas with a bucket of fried chicken, rent boys in chardonnay hot pants and booze wenches in beer, rougenesque women in rosé Geishas in sake, vodka vanilla sparkling cider and escorts or maybe just some plain old mutton and mead Thank you again for your support This is actually guy who went from not being very angry with us if I recall Yeah, no. No he was one of these people like tweeting you suck you know did it shows you were In exactly that voice at that same voice this guy guys a lot of people with that voice Yes So he went from one of those to becoming sir Jono elder of Zion yeah I find I find I find this to be a personal Victory victory there's still a bunch of wives out there that

CHAPTER 44 / 53 Discussion

Tor Network Security, WikiLeaks Employee Conflict

A Twitter conflict erupts between Jacob Applebaum, Glenn Greenwald, and James Ball regarding the security of the Tor network. The discussion centers on redacted NSA PowerPoints published by The Guardian and whether the network has been compromised by the GCHQ.

tor· jacob applebaum· glenn greenwald· james ball· guardian

2:12:26 for this Silk Road takedown being involved in explaining that the Tor network is completely safe, you can use it whenever you want. Trouble in Paradise? A Twitter war between former WikiLeaks employee James Ball, Glenn Greenwald and Jacob Applebaum! Did you follow any of this?! Well, no you got me. You got me on this one I'm gonna have to go check it out This was a so that I have tons of links in in the show notes and let me see I'm actually pulling up the Twitter thread right now And so here's Jacob Applebaum now Jacob Applebaum is the guy who's apart? That's 1.3 million dollar nonprofit enterprise financed primarily by the By consulting work they do what was at s SRI was that the

2:13:20 Stanford used to be Stanford Research Institute. It's actually now it's just called SRI doesn't have a name anymore right by some Swedish think-tank so that's the thing tank some Swedish think tank by the inter news Network, which is a propaganda arm of the State Department USA ID funded 50 million dollars plus So really not even funded by the by the military anymore who were very quick to point out They don't fund it anymore And so this came just before the latest revelations or should I say powerpoints were released. Here's Jacob Applebaum, James when are you going to release the TOR story? Will you comment on the redaction request from The White House and the GCHQ?" It just kind of degrades from there... So this James Ball guy- Can i point something out? Yeah Are you on Twitter now? Yes What is the point of Jacob Applebaum's creepy picture

2:14:20 Because the guy's a creep. It's a very creepy picture now me take a look at it closer Yeah, well did and and why does he have Arabic in his yeah? Why is you have Arabic in this thing so his handle was IO error and under his Twitter Subtext there or sub whatever you call it Cassidy cast iron club n ampersand ampersand something in Arabic ampersand Ampersand ethics enthusiasts the village be seeing you Yeah, not creepy at all dude. But if you look at these are all like little masturbatory boys Look at this James Ball

2:15:01 Who is the data editor of The Guardian now apparently former and so you know he's they're all in fights? You know James Ball used to be? Yeah, it was used to be a song just buddy and And here's here's his Twitter Bio data editor of The Guardian City University University lecturer leakers of wikis former readers of riots Secretor of Offshores, Filer of NSA's... What? Do these boys realize that this sounds pretty sad. James Ball. Anyway, so they come out with this report which I guess that Applebaum knew the report was coming and it's not a report did you see these powerpoints? No i haven't, im not on this but ill give you what the translation of the Arabic is Love and life in short time So The Guardian publishes

2:16:07 apparently NSA GCHQ PowerPoints regarding the Tor network and how NSA has been trying to compromise it with some success but indeed as Applebaum said in this Twitter fight There are lots of pieces redacted so you can't actually figure out what the NSA does or does not know, but it seems like they have compromised certain things. Certainly when it comes to the Tor bundle we kind of knew that... But what I just found interesting is that all these WikiLeaks boys are all kinda fighting amongst each other. Yeah, that's a bad sign. You know what I mean? Let me see...

CHAPTER 45 / 53 Discussion

Glenn Greenwald BBC Interview, Terrorist Evasion Tactics

Glenn Greenwald defends his reporting in a BBC Newsnight interview, dismissing claims that his revelations help terrorists. He argues that any capable terrorist already knew the U.S. and UK were monitoring communications, and that the leaks primarily inform the general public.

glenn greenwald· bbc newsnight· kirsty wark· metadata· surveillance

2:16:55 Foreign first policy may have had a good story on them anyway, it just seems like You know the fight that we think initially was kind of between CIA NSA and Only Lord knows where the FBI is in all of this new with their new Comey guy. The former HSBC Bank Board of Director member Glenn Greenwald is you know his becoming more interesting to observe and he was the subject of a news net BBC Newsnight interview which I thought was interesting because a lot of people were yelling on Twitter all caps

2:17:35 That the woman who was doing the interview Kirsty, Christy whatever her name is. You know she was a horrible journalist and how dare she ask these crazy stupid questions I thought actually a lot of her questions were quite valid It's a style that they have on that show They all do it. Yeah they all do it. I did pull a couple of clips from that because Some things became apparent to me about Glenn Greenwald and the Guardian, and how this is taking place. And what we're really witnessing unfolding before us right here... But first kind of the the obvious question that was asked and I give Glenn Greenwald props for answering this in a very straightforward, no agenda manner actually. Terrorists would be terrorists change their tactics so it is very possible that you actually by your actions make it easier for terrorist to understand how to evade all the checks that are made on them online

2:18:29 That's completely ludicrous. First of all, by the way it's interesting they had like a two-second satellite delay in this interview Yeah And what's fun is she'll start to interject but Greenwald won't respond to it until two seconds later Right because of the latency He was kind of yelling at himself all of sudden It's very Tourette's like The premise of your question is entirely false We've shown much more than just the mere collection of metadata. We've shown all sorts of invasions into the content of communications between innocent people, having conversations with one another online through emails, online chat, collection of their browsing history... The idea that terrorists didn't know—excuse me—that the United States and UK governments were trying to monitor their communications is laughable! Of course every terrorist who's capable of tying their own shoes has long

2:19:17 known that the UK and US governments are trying to monitor their communications. The only thing we've informed people of is that the spying system is aimed at them." I like, okay good answer makes sense yes obviously so she's following the talking points he comes back with a valid answer now this is where Glenn gave us some information uh... that i don't think was necessarily known but leads me to believe No one, we may not know who we're really dealing with when it comes to Mr. Snowden. The thing is could it possibly be on a memory stick in your pocket? I mean people want to know how you think you can keep things safe ,

CHAPTER 46 / 53 Discussion

Edward Snowden Identity, Rubik's Cube Verification

The hosts analyze Glenn Greenwald's account of meeting Edward Snowden in a Hong Kong hotel, where a Rubik's Cube was used as a visual identifier. They question how Greenwald can be certain of Snowden's identity and whether the material is actually being managed by a third-party agency.

edward snowden· rubik's cube· encryption· laura poitras· cia

2:20:16 Tens of thousands of people have access to we at the Guardian have protected all of our data with Extremely advanced methods of encryption and our documents have remained completely secure We have not lost control of any of our material that remains entirely secure two snaps girlfriend now That's interesting. So what he's saying the way I translated that is is that Edward J. Mr Snowden was able to grab all of these documents because they were available to tens of thousands of people I think he kind of let something out of the bag there that was heretofore unknown would you agree that's possible? That, that's kinda what slipped out there? Well...

2:21:01 I think Snowden indicated that people at his level or it was easy to grab this stuff. So again, of course we still have no... This could be a piece of false data that Greenwald believes to be true and it still might be possible that this is not true and our basic thesis that the CIA gave Snowden the material to embarrass the agency. Here's what I'm thinking first of all These are PowerPoints. All right, you know this is not code You know let's be very realistic for a moment Is the powerpoint saying something?

2:21:38 with a pretty diag- not even, with bad clip art all over the place. I have not seen any actual code as to how it works. I have you know no evidence other than what we've seen on drawings of splitting of fiber... You know the b- We see the NSA data warehouse in Utah. We haven't actually- we don't know anything other than PowerPoints is what i'm saying It's just an ad So I just want to point out that we don't really... Yeah, I mean it's possible the search engine he did searched star.ppt Who knows? Could be anything yeah exactly but if it is true that tens of thousands of people have access to this marketing material which is the way I view it how do we know that the person who Glenn Greenwald is communicating with and Laura Poitras is communicating with security through secure channels how do we know what's actually Snowden How do we know as not just some operative

2:22:33 How do we know it's not a whole room full of guys? Because the only proof that Greenwald knows that he initially met with THE guy is explained in this story. It's interesting because this in some ways elements of spy film, because when you first met him I understand that how did you identify him when you first met him Right, I had no idea how old he was. This by the way is a set up question they agreed in this in the pre-interview like oh yeah tell us about how you figured out who he was? You can hear her asking the pre-agreed question Who he was what it looked like before I first met him and so the plan was He had asked us to go to a part of the hotel where he was staying at a designated time And he said that he would enter that room and we would know him because he was carrying a Rubik's Cube

2:23:23 And we went at the designated time. He wasn't there, we came back at the second time that he had given us... ...and he showed up a couple of minutes later carrying a Rubik's Cube and that was how we knew it was our source that we had been communicating with." So, that is how you knew it was your source after they killed the real guy? Yes, well is that not possible in this spy novel as they say it and so is he when you're talking to him? And you're communicating through your secure channels Glenn Greenwald Does a Rubik's Cube show up how do you know what's in how do you know with him? How do you know it's not the CIA or some other agency who was really running the show and are pissed at the Kaiser Alexander for having a cool office looking like The Enterprise

CHAPTER 47 / 53 Discussion

Bolivian Presidential Plane, Passport Revocation Myths

Adam Curry disputes Glenn Greenwald's claims regarding the forced landing of the Bolivian presidential plane and the mechanics of passport revocation. He argues that a revoked passport does not prevent international travel but rather ensures arrest upon return to the United States.

evo morales· bolivia· passport· russia· state department

2:24:07 and are just rolling out whatever they feel is appropriate to you. There's no evidence, there's no evidence that any of this stuff exists... ...there's no evidence that it's coming from this guy named Snowden Right, and we also know that Snowden's girlfriend disappeared. And they put their house up in Hawaii for sale just immediately thereafter and there was a bunch of mysterious things happening around that situation that has never been explained like the boxes an all the rest... And Greenwald is still prepared to cover-up and lie about basic facts that we have debunked clearly on this podcast I wonder though with Edward Snowden whether or not his position in Russia. I mean, you know if he tried to travel look what happened and look at the Americans did to the presidential plane, the Bolivian presidential plane over European territory... I'm sorry that the Americans did nothing to the Bolivian plane, nothing at all we have proof they landed under false pretence of something wrong with their fuel indicators there was no forced landing so that's a lie Glenn should dispel! Glenn say something does it really feel all that safe? The Russians have only said they'd keep him for a year

2:25:14 Well, remember he didn't choose to be in Russia. He was trying to pass through Russia and the United States government basically forced him to be there by revoking his passport and preventing other countries from letting him transit through I'm sorry another blatant lie your passport does not explode when we've read verbatim from the State Department Revoking a passport means when you come back into the United States, you will be apprehended. There is no central passport system when you go to a country that says oh I'm sorry your passport is going to melt we have to cut it like a credit card

2:25:51 This does not exist. It's a lie, Glenn Greenwald! But he certainly given the alternative which is a supermax prison in United States where he has disappeared for the next 40 years I think he is quite content to be where he is So what I like Greenwald for lot of things it these things that really bug me about the guy Yeah yeah I can see that bugging you Well... And it is annoying there no reason There is no practical reason just like weak talking point about the force landing And then the misunderstanding about revoking a passport that's in play in a foreign country, it just... It's a lie. It's a lie and he knows it's a lie! So there are two other things that fit into this no job category for this week one is unfortunately still no video or audio of and we talked about this

CHAPTER 48 / 53 Discussion

Michael Hayden Kill List, Chertoff Group Sales

Former NSA Director Michael Hayden and Congressman Mike Rogers are reported to have joked about putting Edward Snowden on a kill list. The hosts discuss Hayden's current role at the Chertoff Group, where he promotes security services and scanners.

michael hayden· chertoff group· kill list· torture program· scanners

2:26:47 Just before the end of the last show, but now of course we have the reports everywhere that Hayden a former chief for the NSA and Mike Rogers who was the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee were of course joking around laughing that they wanted to put Snowden on On the hit list. Yeah He was nominated kill this snowed has been nominated for a European Human Rights Award whatever that is Shit, we should do our own human rights award. I know you should press the awards are fun Yeah And anyone can do them a parent a European so his human rights are only valid in Europe His award he has to take the award off if he travels outside of Europe I heard that So they were joking about putting him on the kill list at least according to some tweets A lot of people with The Washington Post

2:27:40 Well, maybe they were I don't understand why they didn't have a tape of it there. Well, it's there It's I mean I immediately went to C span video org that's usually where they have these things but If it was they're covering that event unfortunate and The other thing what was the other thing that I had here? Oh yes Adobe who of course are by the way What is Hayden's dog in the hunt? You know, his whole thing is he's borderline under indictment for promoting the torture program that was done under his jurisdiction. And he has been apologizing for it and not apologizing but rationalizing it on various... which you've caught him doing in one of the things at clips I have from some time ago. But what does he do right now? Is he a member of the Chertoff group or...?

2:28:34 Oh yeah, no he's isn't he one of the... Yeah. He is one of those guys I think he is in the Chertoff group Let's look him up Yes you know what we should do is... Is it Michael Hayden? I can't remember his first name Yeah, yeah Michael. Michael Hayden I don't know if he still.. I'm pretty sure yes Currently principal at the Chertoff Group Of course So he's out there! He's a sales guy You watch I bet she has brown shoes All sales guys have brown shoes. Do you think he still wears, does he still wear his uniform when he's out and about? He doesn't do that doesn't he? No I get to give him credit for that yeah although if you look at it... I think gave those all this little Chevron so that woman at the police department yeah says she could wear them So he's a sales guy so he's out there making sure everyone is really worried about stuff selling you know shirt off group services Scanners Scanners and whatever else they got

CHAPTER 49 / 53 Discussion

Adobe Data Breach, Acrobat Tracking Services

Adobe announces a data breach affecting 2.9 million customers, including credit card information. The hosts discuss Adobe's deep integration with government tracking, specifically through Acrobat forms and persistent background update services on Mac and Windows.

adobe· data breach· acrobat· flash· creative cloud

2:29:33 Meanwhile Adobe who of course we know are truly involved in In tracking people openly and are selling these services to the government. We've had we have the white paper from them We've put it in the show notes before what is it again? What does it adobe connect? Is that what was called was a call for God Adobe Connect It was I'll find it With it, you know literally selling to the government All the information they glean from flash essentially From all the crap that is in flash and all the stuff. That's in their Adobe Acrobat products of the government uses tracking in adobe acrobat all over the place when you fill out forms In Adobe immigration forms, you cannot use preview on the Mac You have to use the official Adobe program

2:30:24 and it's sending information back about who accessed the form, who filled it out. And of course the Adobe...and I've always wondered how this works How does the Adobe program get permission on my Mac to continuously ask to be updated? Have you ever wondered that? Well I find, look i think they do it so often that you get so annoyed. You never wonder but how no but but so the Mac has you know the mac has uh the software update and it will you know when it's time you get your iTunes and all this other stuff and um and but the only program that bugs me individually separately to be upgraded without starting the program is Adobe

2:31:10 You mean out of the blue it comes in? Just out of the blue, yeah. How does it get permission to do that? There's obviously a piece of code that they've implanted on the machine... Yeah That is calling home all the time saying hey do I need tell this idiot to upgrade But the fact that it can actually give me this warning without starting the program means something is running from Adobe without me having Adobe Acrobat Without me having asked to start the program In fact, I'm gonna do this right now. This is kind of driving me nuts and i know some

2:31:49 Techno expert out there will help us. Let me just okay well here we go I'm you're gonna look on the windows i'm going to look on the mac i've already got my processes open adobe i have i haven't taken these out and There's one right here so it shows up let me stop this thing from jumping around nothing running On this, one that says adobe i have fire or a at firefox they got that flash player yeah is running and i get two of them once a short one which i believe Is the wind that's the good the Call home Flash Player. It just says Flash Player 11 dot 8 R 800 Uh, is there anything else? I have no...I don't have.... I love how people in the chat are like why are you using Adobe Engine?! Well um because i had to do forms for immigration for my wife isn't that what I just said You didn't say it for my wife Okay..i've said this before

2:32:51 How else would I know it? When you fill out forms for immigration, you have to use this. Well how what's what I know with all right doesn't matter there You go well that's easiest way to keep track of ya yeah Anyway, Adobe of course is It is they are right next to the NSA data center in Utah conveniently What do you think did they share the same power and Is that all they're sharing? So if I go to services, which is really hard to edit. Uh...I see Adobe Arm and Adobe Flash in there doing something One of them's running which is the Adobe uh this one here is the Acrobat thing Which I'm not using so why is that going? Oh okay! I see it. The read- Adobe Reader Updater

2:33:43 is running on the Mac. I got that here too, I got two of them Adobe Flash which is the Adobe flash update service and then you've got the Adobe Acrobat update service and these are obviously running as a service not a process and they are commonly I would assume calling home yeah hold on But no one ever asked me if it was okay for those to be installed and running. So I just quit that, and it's probably in the login item or something. It's probably... yeah well here's another one oh wait a minute why is there two of them? That's to start up your webcam and microphone. Luckily I have a piece of gaffer's tape! Well anyway Adobe says data on 2.9 million customers was compromised Yeah I know I saw that

CHAPTER 50 / 53 Discussion

Personal Cloud Computing, Raspberry Pi ArkOS

The hosts discuss ArkOS, a personal cloud system designed to run on a Raspberry Pi. While Dvorak expresses disinterest in building hardware, Curry highlights the difficulty of truly leaving the "cloud" when services like PayPal and email are essential.

arkos· raspberry pi· cloud computing· paypal· mesh network

2:34:36 So how do we interpret this? I would take it straight up. There's about that many users of the creative cloud, there better be more than that! There is a lot and they are making you go there whether you like it or not and they stole much credit card data but the rest of us so they had to send embarrassing notices out How does this kind of thing happen all the cloud services are gonna have this happen to him by the way? I don't think this is part Of course it is. It's already happening So there's this cool new thing was it called the arc OS which look kind of interesting It's like a it's like your own personal Cloud you build on a Raspberry Pi That's what I want to do are you being facetious oh

2:35:29 Yeah. I don't want to build a raspberry pie! You don't have to build it, you just... You don't have to build it. I don't want one. Well then live in the clouds young man enjoy your life there. I'm not living in the cloud. I'm that guy who keeps everything at home base. I could turn off my internet and actually have a computer that works. Well your email's in the clouds. Yeah that is only thing that is. Really? Well, PayPal. What else? I'd say that's two rather important details... I can't do PayPal outside the cloud but i have been trying to move people to Chex. That's true Yeah those are two things I can't do anything about it Twitter is in the cloud Keep going! You'll be amazed how much is in the cloud my friend when you really think about it Everything is in the cloud. The cloud just means its on the internet

2:36:22 I'm the one guy who's advocated shutting the internet down. Nobody else goes in that direction. Shut it down? Including you! No, and I love this McAfee coming out who is by the way coked out now with him i can see have you seen him touching his nose wiping his nose squeezing yeah clue here what to look for well that's easy i mean he can't stop Well he's best because he's really coked out He was on wars of just something other people. Well he was on with Cavuto And the Cavutos I as my friend John McAfee, and he's like oh I'm gonna build this box and it'll decentralize into like Oh My God You know this is clearly sitting around eating mushrooms with some hey, I got a great idea man Yeah, it will build a mesh network here out of both call it decentralized And this guy's getting airtime

CHAPTER 51 / 53 Discussion

John McAfee Marketing, Computer Virus History

John C. Dvorak recounts his personal history with John McAfee, describing him as a marketing genius who popularized the concept of computer viruses. The discussion follows McAfee's trajectory from tech wealth to his legal troubles in Belize and his recent public appearances.

john mcafee· computer virus· symantec· peter norton· belize

2:37:20 Yeah. It's sad, it's not gonna happen that way. Neil Cavuto... yeah. And McAfee is a wreck. Yeah you know him? You ever met him? He still owes me dinner! For what?! For my buying him dinner that he was supposed to pick up and he didn't. There wasn't a bet or anything? Sorry? There was no bet or anything? Just his turn? Yeah. So you know him, so talk about this guy. Can you talk about him? Well I know before he ran out of the country He was the guy who actually to me, my way of thinking is one of the greatest marketing guys that you'll ever find. He's the one who invented the entire market. He made computer viruses popular

2:38:06 There were no computer viruses when he first showed up with the little boots. He created a market for them is what you're saying? Yes! And there was a couple of little pranks that came around and this is the era, this is very early in the 80's where there was really no computer viruses and to the point that there was none, this is the irony of the whole thing. Peter Norton actually made a public statement that there's no such thing as a computer virus Which is, you can look this up and it's very funny because he ended up doing the antivirus for Symantec. So McAfee had a little newsletter and he began to popularize

2:38:52 Guys, he was like he was like the billboard a hot 100 of virus guys Yeah So you make it stink every time one would be discovered and he started to popularize him and people would get publicity so that It became a subculture right? Yes out in antivirus product And do you remember how the first ones work the first I think the first viruses if I recall correctly were the ones that would grab your address book in your Microsoft... Was it Outlook at that point? Maybe not. Maybe it was Outlook that started it all It would grab every single address in your because you'd click on an attachment this Remember that hey yeah, be honest about it. It's a late in the game I thought that was kind of the first ones no No Okay There was a bunch of these really The earliest viruses were these things that were passed around and different forms usually from floppy disk to floppy disk right booted thing And it would erase your hard disk now is those but those are no fun oh

2:39:53 No, they weren't any fun. Those are lame! That's the ones he started to popularize and then these later ones of the one you're talking about like the I love you virus Oh yeah! Remember that? MacAfee by the time those showed up was already out with a hundred million dollars He had made tons of money just selling his company to well one of these guys is I guess it was Symantec and he was done, and he took his hundred million. And I met him and chatted with him just before dinner went public. He had a good place too And then I didn't hear from him again. He's like one of those classic guys that was in tech and then he made money left, and then fuck you Dvorak who needs you? Pretty much bailed on everyone and then he had last time but then I heard that he was up into some mountain chalet That he'd build with some of his money and Colorado hills and then I again didn't hear from him for a long or here about him for a long time And then I find out he has this place in New Mexico and then boom all over sudden he's in Belize and now he's completely

2:40:56 on drugs and he's advocating everyone should be stoned all the time and be with hookers. And it all went crazy, the guy went nuts! And then he went broke! This is a great- this is an American success story Yeah I love it Skyrocket to fame and then crash One of the few guys who actually there's a bunch of these guys who... I'm not so sure he's broke by the way Well he probably has a few mil but I don't think he has his wealth There did you IRAs back in the country? The IRS is not gonna let this guy get away with hiding money No, it's out. Is that the deal he was hiding money? Yeah Well, we don't know that's what he'd have to be doing to be should be That's not so rich You know what, you know where the new places the new the where a lot of guys are going In fact one of our friends has just purchased a place there and And we will be allowed to go visit is Panama. I

CHAPTER 52 / 53 Discussion

Panama Relocation, Airline Electronic Device Rules

The FAA moves closer to allowing the use of electronic devices during all phases of flight. Adam Curry provides a technical explanation for the previous ban, citing interference in pilot headsets rather than actual navigation system failure.

panama· faa· cell phones· gsm· interference

2:41:52 Yeah, I heard Panama's gonna get hot. And apparently... Panama is supposed to be really nice too it's like they're turning into a Costa Rica-like operation Right and they got you know great bandwidth and great infrastructure there are a lot of banks there and there's just a lot going on but apparently a lot of dudes with money are going to Panama yeah I've heard Panama so we have an invite all right But not you. Do a show from down there? Well that was, I'm like immediately is there enough bandwidth i'll come yeah we'll come down we'll hang out I'd love that anyway anyway I got some stuff left over here right We really only have time for one or two because we're running Let me just do the one thing though okay no let me not do that oh let me do yeah let me do this one thing I thought this was an interesting story since it was

2:42:43 I was actually the editor of InfoWorld when this bullcrap began. This is how long ago it was, play the electronics device on a plane story The FAA is getting even closer to letting you fly with your cell phone or iPad turned on They've been investigating this issue for a couple of weeks now but their social committee has officially said that Wi-Fi won't cause the plane to malfunction Your cellphone will not bring down at 747 and Alec Baldwin can still play words with friends on the tormac. But make no mistake about it, the rule isn't on the books yet but this study means that someday it will finally be there I have an actual opinion on this so I'd love to hear what your thoughts are I don't have an opinion, I just thought the whole thing was nonsense from the beginning Just another way for crowd control I do not like people talking on cell phones which is almost impossible anyway from a plane

2:43:33 but even trying it because you're going from too many towers to towers and this was always, always sketchy. And I always thought it was just a bogus idea and... I was always annoyed by the commentary because we wrote about this and said, this is bullcrap. There's no evidence of this. And then people would always chime in. This is when I really got started. This one I became a No Agenda guy. People would start writing in, oh better to be safe than sorry! Yeah well let me tell you what the real facts are

2:44:09 Now when this initially started and I have proof because i got busted for doing this. In the early days of early, early cell phones the radios were very different than what they were today and there was absolutely certainly with a higher output... Do you remember that HP Palm Top? Remember that crazy thing it was like plastic and it was kind of the size of I don't know the like three times a size of an iPhone you'd flip the lid open and had kind Of a bad LCD screen, and then yeah had a keyboard on one side And you could jam a PC card in there from the rim network Which I think didn't the Rim Network eventually become Blackberry?

2:45:02 Always thought there were there always were blackberry. No, no it started as the rim network and they had Towers around the u.s.. But certainly in New York And it was a 1 watt card Was quite powerful and you could send email messages? And it was a very slow process but it would work and Ron bloom and I we would fly when this is during the Think New Ideas days and you know we'd fly coach and not always together, you know. And it would be like four or five six seven rows apart but we could still use this rim communicator thing even at 10-20 thousand feet because of it was one watt and there was nothing else really going on at the time. We're talking 94 95 at this point

2:45:47 And we use this and at one point, we actually you know the pilot actually said were having an issue. Yeah with a what? Yes! We're having an issue with navigation could everyone make sure their cell phones are turned off and you know and we turned off our stuff in the end of pilots like okay I'm pretty sure that was us. I wouldn't be surprised but your talking about a watch. Of course so that was crazy. You're kind of guy to cause the problem. However As we move towards newer technologies and GSM, etc. The problem is...and much better radios the problem is not interference in the navigation system There's only one reason this has not been allowed and the reason why it will be allowed will become evident When these radios either for Wi-Fi or for telephony are trying to find a cell you know the sound You hear it on television all the time

2:46:45 And that bleeds through, very often bleeds through into the cockpit onto the headsets. That is the only reason why it is not allowed because that isn't... It's annoying, it's distracting, I mean it could distract from the communications once you put Wi-Fi on board It's not going to be searching around. It finds its access point once you put a set of mini, a micro cell on board it also won't be searching around it's gonna find it so that's the only reason why it's not allowed is because of the actual interference on the flight crews headset Well I like that explanation how come that was never brought for? Well... Because the news media is too busy with great reporting and other things well there's great stuff out there That's for sure Anyway! You can take that as little tip from No Agenda

CHAPTER 53 / 53 Discussion

In-Flight Wi-Fi, Show Outro

The hosts conclude the show with a discussion on the limitations of in-flight Wi-Fi and the upcoming Thursday broadcast. They remind listeners to "see something, say something" and support the show via Dvorak.org/NA.

wi-fi· adam curry· john c. dvorak· austin· silicon valley

2:47:36 And so that's all I got. That's all you got? They're gonna eliminate the whole thing, I think you're probably right Wi-Fi on board because they want to get the 10 bucks off ya and It's not it's a...I think its maybe just ten Its ten on most of these flights And a long flight I can do it. I'd do it from coast to coast and I had a bunch of stuff that finished because I didn't get Stuff done, I paid the 10 bucks yeah They don't really let you do anything this Seattle to Oakland its name Oh Yeah, then there's no streaming You know a lot of I can't really I've tried to use it for show prep But you can't you can't really watch a youtube video That's about it. Yeah that is really about it

2:48:16 Or for downloading songs like... Master of the house, darling how's it job? Ready with a handshake and an open pop- There you go. Alright everybody we have once again deconstructed the bullcrap for you hopefully you feel better knowing that well knowing that you're being bullcrapped Yeah, that's the idea yeah The idea is for you to feel better knowing That they just bull crap on ya Yeah, that's the only thing we accomplish Some people don't enjoy it. They don't enjoy knowing this knowledge and they'd rather be... In the dark, in the dark. ...in the dark and dumb. Yeah. Anyway I think we should come up with a No Agenda listener ribbon. You wear it with your police uniform! Exactly! It'll look great, I guarantee you. It will be better looking than those other chevrons. Let's see..I think there is a No Agenda producer update

2:49:15 Coming up on the stream today, so make sure you catch that right here NoahGenestream.com And we will be back on Thursday No doubt with more information That you probably can't get anywhere else Beware of the eugenicists! They're out there trying to kill you and your children... ...and here in Austin Texas Wearing my slave bracelet In the morning I'm Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley, where there's no slave bracelets. I'm John C. Dvorak We'll talk to you again on Thursday right here on No Agenda! The best podcast in the universe If you see something Say something dvorak dot org slash n a