Zero Risk Society

00:00 She can execute anyone at her own will. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora It's Sunday July 7th 2013 time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 528 This is no agenda! And join my star chamber in the Travis Heights hideout in Austin Tejas Capital of the Drone Star State of the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where it's dark and there's crickets out I'm John C. Dvorak. Did you have like some kind of corporate deal with the cricket maker guys who said... I'm thinking what i can do if I keep saying that this sounds like crickets, then people will believe it. Yeah then people are oh yeah that sounds just like crickets no doesn't sound do it make the sound we've been listening to this for 10 minutes already yeah Oh dear there's crickets! What shall we let's stay inside there's crickets

01:01 So we had a number of incidents over the past few days. We're hoping they get to hit our six-week cycle One of them I think it had promised but it got screwed up by this airplane crash which we've determined is not Part of anything and especially when the FBI comes out and says no terrorism here Yeah, so we need to backtrack just a little bit there may be some newer listeners to the program now we were informed quite a while ago by people inside of the FBI that the FBI Does a lot of these these kind of like honey pot? Deals where they infiltrate a group and their goading the guy and like, you know They at no point does he ever have any real explosives. And then yeah, man Hey, hey, you've dialed his cell phone number and you blow it all up

01:48 And the reason why they do this approximately every six weeks is because that's how they maintain their budgets, that's how they grow the organization. That's what they do quite frankly and we don't know if this is happening in every agency but we have pretty good confirmation affirmation this is happening with the FBI and we've been able to kind of set our clocks by it and I guess 4th July was time for a new one? Is that it? Yeah, the fourth of July week I would say that the incident in Washington State would qualify. There's a train wreck, peculiar train wreck that took place up in Canada but that doesn't seem to be getting any waves and then of course everything was upended by the 777 crash which looked like it had been a gem play-up. Yeah you're right and it was really interesting to see this happen

02:44 And most people who listen to the show for a while know that I have been flying for What is it now John a decade more than a decade? I've been flying. Yeah, like 12 years I've been flying helicopters airplanes and one of them there's that long period of time where you were smoking dope all the time while flying and What is always interesting is to see how the reporting is done on aviation incidents because this is something I, one of the few things actually know a lot about. You know, I do have a couple of clips. I want to play before you get into your analysis Yeah sure because I was watching I was watching in it the reporting of this from Central China News Service mm-hmm because most of the people that were on that plane were Chinese In fact most of them can I just ask you something about that?

03:35 So there were a hundred and sixty Chinese people on this plane. Yeah, lot of students. What? Oh they're students I'm like what are they doing?! A lot of them are students Are we like Africa now where it's just a million Chinese everywhere and they're building pipelines in hospitals? It's overflowing in the Korea They have to take a flight out of Seoul! I don't know if they don't trust their own carriers or not... Before you get into your clips And I think we've talked about this before that when you are in California airspace In particular around San Francisco You almost cannot understand what is being said on the radio because it's all Asian students primarily Chinese who are learning to fly. It's for a real show online What for a real show now online? What you have no idea what they're talking about, it's insane the airspace above San Francisco is unintelligible Asian pilots

04:30 Yeah, yeah. It's funny No it's not! It's frightening when you're up there. I guess it's not funny to you. No, that's fine. That's what I'm saying So we got a couple of things and one there was one very peculiar report But let's see which we got we had Asian passengers report. Uh...I think that's the second one Weird testimony of crash now. I want to start with this one This is a kid that was on the flight And he was talking, it was weird. What he says is odd enough but then when he says they were sitting next to a hole in the fuselage A cop came rushing over and grabbed him and hauled him off While he was doing this? Yeah! That's weird... This was on the Chinese news? Alright let's listen

05:23 One of the passengers aboard Asiana Airlines flight 2214 spoke to reporters after the crash. He described what happened when the plane came into land at San Francisco International Airport They went like, rolled it up and down. And then um...and then it flipped or something like that I'm not sure and then it hit the ground and yeah so.. And what happened when people were injured? What happened next? The top just totally collapsed on a lot of people So a lot of people were injured Yeah Okay Where were you sitting? I was sitting next to this big hole

06:06 Now one thing that there kind of struck me was the fuselage. I guess it was you know they slams down and the roof caves in Yeah, this is but this is not this is not abnormal yeah, I've had a hard landing once in my Cessna 182 besides it really rattling my teeth like like really really and I think I only landed hard from I'll say 10 feet perhaps, but you know essentially a hard landing is the wing stall so you have no lift. It's not an engine stall but the wing stall You have no lift and then you fall to the ground like a brick there's no floating No gliding it's like boom! You're down

06:48 It threw all my instruments, I had to have the entire instrument panel taken out. Because the altimeter everything was bent and broken The airframe...I was lucky that the airframe didn't have to go back into the jig And this is just 10 feet with a Cessna So to have this roof cave in it's not unexpected at all Okay, so now we go to Chinese passengers report. There's just a bunch of miscellaneous stuff here That's kind of interesting this is all for your edification more than anyone else So you when you give your report? You can take this into account okay? Thank you very much indeed our correspondent Rebecca Boehring at San Francisco International Airport some eyewitnesses say the plane appeared to lose control as it landed and others say the tail appeared To hit ground okay

07:33 What's this is this is kind of fun to? To analyze it's probably It was exactly the opposite but the way this has reported. It sounds like they were coming in wildly out-of-control going from left to right and then oh Then the tail fell off whereas, it's probably exactly the opposite where they came in nice and smooth The tail hits the seawall And then of course when you know when you have no tail and your landing gear is collapsed and you're essentially just rushing down whatever... Well the guy that follows this has I think kind of an explanation because he saw the landing. Okay well yeah people who say the plane flipped over and did triple somersaults, that's out there

08:18 What I saw was as it was coming into land at the last minute, you could see the front end pop up and then slam down. It was way too low, way to soon just the wheels caught in the tail of a plane caught before it got to the runway and then it pancaked on their own way A Chinese passenger aboard the Air Giana Airlines flight 214 has described his experience at the moment the plane caught fire. Xu Da describes the crash on a social network site, Weibo that's China's version of Twitter. He says he was seated at one end of the plane and that the plane seemed to lose altitude very quickly on landing as he looked through the window of the plane it seemed to be level with sea wall

09:05 The plane seemed to dip suddenly and pull up abruptly. Afterwards he heard a loud explosion and could smell burning and see flames." Another entry on Weibo, it says during the half-an-hour it took between landing to evacuation the passengers and rescuers all remained very calm there was no shouting and passengers evacuated in an orderly fashion In response to the crash of the asiana Airlines flight in San Francisco CCTV has launched an update service via social networking platform. Yeah, that shouldn't be on okay so Let me give you a little analysis what you're hearing here is pretty useless it's interesting this coming from the Chinese television and And from you know from Chinese Twitter

09:54 But none of this you know when people say I've read everything from it was coming in too low way too fast where all data shows exactly the opposite that it was if anything It was the aircraft was going to slow But for me the fun thing was to immediately and you know I think we can all agree that uh, I am always looking for the story behind the story i'm Always looking for and we've done lots of aviation Analysis where we think there has been a lot of fishiness going on or incomplete answers or something may even be covered up Uh, we've talked about this many different incidents in in the past six years this one though

10:30 The fact that Sheryl Sandberg switched flights to get her, to get Miles on United. That means nothing! It was not a message to Facebook I don't think they were trying to kill her and the guy from Samsung was on the plane And this was rampant. On any one of these flights there's a lot of famous people on the plane Yeah, of course! But the Sandberg thing I'm sketchy about it sounds like... It sounds like she's a whore and wants to promote her book is what it sounds like to me That's what it sounds like to me too If I was transferred flights and I do it all commonly

11:06 And then the plane crashed. I'm not gonna go out, oh jeez! I could have been on that plane It's just like you know i'm on another plane is no you wouldn't you probably would have if I had a book out yes? I'll take it back publicity whores what I meant to say not a whore publicity whore Because because that's what I'm seeing I'm saying I wouldn't do it unless I had a book to sell right and But let's go this last one and I hate to bring the bell out on this one but there is a little correspondent, cute little British girl who looks frightened. She is very pretty again the Chinese news service put CNN here and I call her the um girl because she has this habit of saying

11:48 ummm, not just uh which is very common amongst... She's like a hummer. She's kind of like a hummer but she doesn't really come off as one but her umms kinda make up for it and unfortunately I have to ring the bell as we play this one. Okay that's alright we always appreciate that. Some have gone to nearby cities too wait it out But as I say tomorrow morning is when will have an update on the assessment of that team Terrorism has been ruled out by the FBI, which is an important thing to add because after 9-11 questions are immediately raised as to whether or not there's some link to terrorism. We do not believe that to be the case and various theories are being put forward at this stage of absolutely only speculation but some people are wondering if there was a power outage on the plane other people wondering if the fact that the runway was lengthened in recent weeks might have impacted on the pilot's approach

12:44 Wait a minute, wait a minute. Was she a passenger? No no she's a reporter Oh okay thank you I'm like wait a minute what is she and she is just talking out of her anus this is funny um Also a piece of technology device which helps pilots to judge distances and height as they come into land A piece of technology that helps pilots measured distance in height it's been around since World War two young lady this piece of technology has reportedly been out of action for a few days out of action for a few days oh yes again people are asking questions about how the plane could have come down in beautiful weather, it was clear blue sky. We just have to let the accident investigators do their job but certainly many questions being asked about how

13:34 This could have happened. All right, all right Thank you this was a good clip because this is exactly what pisses me off so much and and Any one of you listening to this podcast will know something? You'll you're an expert in something it may be gardening It maybe bicycle shop repair it maybe Trading stocks and bonds I don't know what it is. It's probably those guys give us some tips What a stock surprise. You know, you may be working... I don't think you need to justify your position. No! I'm not justifying the position. I just want to remind people this is hey give me a break here is that when you see something in the news that you actually know something about and it's completely wrong you must assume everything else in the news is wrong That's the point on making Oh yeah, you tend to do that I think

14:22 Which means, we make these mistakes. We say some boneheaded stuff once in a while but we usually make up for it in an ummm follow-up. Well here's what happened... First of all this is great because only two people died why am I getting the bell rung at me? I said great! Okay okay every single time you say so I'll hit you with that. I wish you would! The show would be too long This is a Now you've made me self-conscious. This is an interesting accident because we have two pilots who are alive, very low death count everyone got off the plane quickly and of course the two victims I believe that they were probably ripped out of the plane when the tail came off Yes actually one report by The Chinese Let me get to my analysis Mr. Clipp Said that the 2 guys were thrown...2 women thrown out Yeah now it sounds like they were ripped out which sucks

15:20 Nope, I didn't. The ILS the instrument landing system on this particular runway was is out of service until August This was mentioned in the NOTAM the notice to airmen nothing unusual about that had they needed to do an instrument landing They could have taken Runway 19 Not a problem. That was fully in service When you do a visual approach and most of it in San Francisco, most of these landings are visual approaches Mainly because of the weather It's also a beautiful that's almost straight in all the way And it's nice coming over the water and then when then you're down as a huge huge long runway You also have your PAPI lights papi lights or you might hear a lot of

16:08 boneheads on the news talking about poppy lights or whatever they have no idea what they're talking about PAPI and this is their red and white lights position so that you can find the exact right glide path. And if you're too low then you have four red, if you're too high you get four whites, and if you're exactly on the glide path you have two red lights into white lights now These lights could have been tampered with, that's entirely possible. But that's pretty much how you come in but also if you know how to drive a car You kind of get a feel after 10 thousand hours of flying where are you going to put this airplane down? This is not like some big magical mystical thing. You do have a feel for the plane unless you don't know what your doing

16:54 Or maybe you haven't practiced in years and just letting the plane auto land. And these guys came in too low, and from the data we have which is not... not necessarily accurate as radar data. We can see that it appears the plane, the aircraft was going too slow at a certain point may have stalled they hit full throttle then essentially tried to execute a go around popped up the nose which is over rotation maybe they weren't even in rotation the tail hits the seawall and that's it! The rest of the plane slams down and nothing is starting to break apart the minute that happens you know you're still doing

17:30 According to the data we have about 85 miles an hour so you're gonna glide on for a bit and There's really nothing more or less to it. That doesn't seem to be any anything I'm gonna say probably pilot error in unless there were some Catastrophic events that doesn't appear to have happened that cut the engines You know a thousand feet up, but the data we have now just doesn't show it so we have two pilots who are alive We have black box Will and by the time you listen this podcast everything may already be? Be known but I agreed John at the minute the FBI came out and went and it's funny how

18:10 Whenever we have these events usually speculation of terrorism is right on the front Except when it's really not set up, and it really is an accident. You know what I mean exactly It's like was that weird Did you guys do anything in that department? No? We're clean no all clear here hey is this CIA ops no no oh They call USA Today, they know more than we do. No no we don't know anything Okay bring out the guy to say it's not us It was a bad day in aviation That's what we call it Now that is not to say because I did read Here we go The White House put out a statement Soon after the plane crash in San Francisco The president was made aware of the incident by Lisa Monaco Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counter-terrorism

19:06 It's not to say they won't use it. That is always a possibility, you know? It's gonna be hard I think yeah, he was very hard to do that now but But the I'm sure they probably evaluated it can we use this can we do anything with this no All right Oh well only thing I'll give you my little minor crackpot theory We've had a huge...I think we had a class X Solar flare it and at around the same time there was another triple seven that had an incident Where is it? There was another one. There was another triple seven that had some incident about five minutes apart from the flight 214 maybe maybe maybe somewhere, it is possible that instruments got

19:57 you know, jiggered because of some kind of solar... Because we have had some very severe solar weather events. So it's possible but yeah You know, I don't... That'd be a good excuse for the pilot. Yeah, and I'm not very familiar with the 777 what kind of steam gauges they have because all most aircraft that I know of yeah they got the computers and everything but they still have kind of a steam gauge version of an altimeter and that's kinda what you need your speed and altitude you can do pretty well with those two And it just seems like they messed it up It's sad but that's it Well wasn't a major disaster was just a disaster

20:36 Yeah, no. What constitutes a disaster? Does it have to have a certain body count or... No I don't even think it's body count. A bridge collapsing and nobody getting killed is a disaster That crazy galloping Gertie on the Verrazano Straits you know that bridge that was swinging back and forth with the car on it Though I think the only death was the dog in the car. I remember that, yeah! So John Kerry's head? Can we call that a disaster? Does it count as a big head? Did you see him... so did you know when a revolution is not planned? He is by the way he is the worst Secretary of State. And he doesn't even know how to do it right

21:15 No, all he does is talk. But worse! So Egypt is in the midst of some form of revolution and he's taking a canoe out to his tender to get on his yacht He was on this boat Did you see these pictures of him in a canoe? It's hilarious. He's taking, yeah it's a little red canoe and he's taking the canoe out to the tender you know the tenders kind of the boat that takes you to the shot to the yacht and then he's got his backpack in his weekend bag and he's like looking at the cameras like hey what are doing man? And he was on his yacht I mean it... The president was in the set B Yeah, he was in his war room, his situation room looking all concerned and everybody was there except Kerry. He couldn't even make it to the meeting! He was on the yacht That's dumb I mean that's... you don't aspire to a political future if this happens and you're not in the room Yeah pretty much

22:15 Was dumb especially with this thing going I mean that not only that but it's the other things going on He doesn't have time to be floating around on his yacht. This topsiders I do have a feeling that you're right this University of Washington thing Maybe they were gonna try and play this up, and this seems like a total You know FBI setup very sketchy I had one clip or two clips out actually can I play one? You have one? Is it the same clip I have? I don't know. I've got one with scary music. I think, I just might have a straight news report. Well, I have a news report... Play the scary music and then we can play mine So this is a news report from Washington, from local news where they put the scary music in which to me it's like oh! This is The Q! This has gotta be the guy

23:05 Now, our other big story of the night. A stolen truck, stolen guns and Molotov cocktails! Tonight police have arrested a suspect but now investigators are trying to figure out why he was here and what he might have been planning to do Have you ever heard a news report with that music? This is like a local news report? Yes, this is KT... Sounds like a package. Well thank you I'm pretty sure it's a package but then they do with this music this kind of electronica suspense music That man is in police custody and so as the cache of weapons and body armor from the back of truck Cache! A cache of weapons It's like a disaster of weapon Tonight were getting our first look at that vehicle but police still aren't sure what the suspect might have been planning Coma Force John Humbert has the latest developments for us tonight

23:53 The truck wasn't his, but police say the weapons were. Last night University of Washington Police arrested 21-year old Justin Miles Jasper a Nevada resident they first found him near UW Tuesday sleeping in the truck nothing seemed out of place there was no need to have any additional contact with the suspect at that time so he was released But Wednesday morning everything changed. That blue truck came back as stolen from Butte, Montana Police went back on the hunt This is what I find interesting this guy they talked to him he was sleeping in the truck and then the truck turns out to be stolen They go back but the guy's still there He's still sleeping because he's such a terrorist he's hanging around in the same spot We have no idea what his intentions are police eventually found Jasper in the truck last night

24:43 night and uncovered a stolen shotgun and scoped rifle scoped rifle a handful of Molotov cocktails and body armor molotov cocktails how do you have a handful of Molotov cocktails big hands his hands are he's got the big foam hands. He's got the biggest hands in the world, Molotov cocktails technically a bottle of like a milk bottle filled with gasoline and a rag stuffed in it yeah no this is this is Sterno things for cooking he had no molotov... This crazy! The best part which says not mentioned in this report I don't know if you have a report about it is that he had a podcast

25:25 Yeah, that was in the written report. I didn't hear any of the TV stuff No and and I was like oh really are they going for the podcast? But I listened to his podcast which is called Freedom fighter radio Oh you found it yeah, I sent you a note I sent you and I actually sent you a link to it on iTunes You have a clip no I can't I do don't even you can't listen to this for five seconds It's this guy is insane And this whole podcast, it's one of these Alex Jones wannabes like... Yeah! We're gonna do a rally and we got our ARs cocked and loaded and one in the chamber. I'm going to get pissed off people! That's- I'm telling you. You're doing pretty good Alex Jones. Oh, I can do much better. I've told you this!!

26:18 We have the documents, I've written them! The elites are doing this!" Okay again blow your voice. Stop yeah wouldn't it be that would be messed up if i then wound up having a voice like him all the time? Yeah you blew as you blow your voice out trying to do him and then you become his voice. All right let's have some tangy tangerine okay well I took a different little different tact on this I think maybe they were going after podcasts, but i think they de-emphasize that on these reports. Luckily well the podcast sucks so bad if it's a detriment to you can't even... It's not fair to call it a podcast just the rantings of a lunatic on a recording. Well I have a link to it everyone can go check out on TalkShoe what's interesting

27:00 Is he has one line on talk show you can record and then you can schedule it for release It's supposed to come out. I think On the 11th so tomorrow no the eleventh know the ninth Tuesday, it's supposed to automatically be released So you can't listen to it yet? Yeah, I know But this guy is over doesn't matter this there's no play No play He's out of its out-of-play I think so too, but i think there's still an element here that we have to be on the lookout for and see if you can spot what it is with uh... having both in well you'll catch in the second clip for sure. Which one am I? Oh Jasper 1!

27:44 Disturbing details emerge about a man... You got music too, do you hear that? Yeah! Some people use it at local news shows. These are great. ...arrested near the University of Washington. Investigators say not only was he armed with firebombs guns knives and a machete He had maps to three Seattle campuses It sounds very similar to mine To my scary music No yours is scarier Do you mind hold on just let me check Now our other big story of the night A judge called the suspect an imminent threat. The prosecutor laid out stunning new evidence It all unfolded today in a Seattle courtroom as we got our first look at the man behind all the ammo Come up for us Lindsey Cohen is live in downtown, Seattle with a very first appearance Wait a minute! Where did all the ammo come from? We haven't heard about all the... I don't know but he's behind it! He just drove through Cabela's

28:40 Picked up just thousands of boxes of ammo. Bye love have a good time We'll see you later Jasper Lindsay Eric we also got our first glimpse at some court papers where that suspect lists his occupation as a journalist what we don't have at this point is any sort of motive or explanation ah There I see what you're coming out now. He's a journalist He may have no criminal history, but prosecutors hint Justin Miles Jasper may have been planning something big. Being military grade in quality... In addition to a stockpile of military-grade weapons, prosecutors now say the Las Vegas resident was found with anti government literature in addition to detailed maps of Seattle area college campuses

29:26 He had a no agenda lanyard, which is anti-government literature. Police at the University of Washington pulled him over in a stolen truck Wednesday night. He had maps, detailed maps to three college campuses including University of Washington, the South Seattle Community College and Seattle University. That's great! I love the journalist Yeah, now he's a journalist. He went from podcaster to journalist! Now there are couple of memes we have to deal with One is that we know and we've talked about this At least the two of us I believe both of us are convinced they're trying to criminalize unlicensed journalism

30:07 Yes, wanton publishing and wanton podcasting. So there's going to be a lot of people I don't think the two of us would be categorized in this category. I mean i've been written for newspapers so I think I'd get through the filter Are you saying something about me? I have thoughts on what defines someone as a journalist or not. I do too, anyone is a journalist with the founding fathers they were all journalists that anyone who writes is a journalist and it's legal to write and say what you want

30:44 the whole deal is. I don't know why they've, they've...I mean why they're trying to crack down on this but that idea is to make you... I do. I do. Okay? Because their definition quote they there them those guys A journalist is someone who has an editor. That is what is going to be the ultimate definition of a journalist if you are within an organization or your work is submitted To an editor then you will be deemed a journalist and so you're gonna have to submit your work to me Yes, and you will have to approve it I have to and in fact grade me on it when i send the newsletter out in fact Saturday approve it. I approve your work, send it to you that's right edit it and I sent a baton usually I'm like

31:31 Oh man, don't you know how to spell? Use a spell checker. So I'd use the spell checker beside the point. Yeah it works great! But that... so whatever the case is that and the other one which i think is this is the one they're really working on here which is freedom of speech or freedom of press issue Anti-government literature. That's right, whatever that is We played Jasper 2 and we hear about some of this What Jasper was going to do at those universities remains to be seen but police say they found a shotgun, a rifle six Molotov cocktails three knives even body armor In court prosecutors held up some of the anti government literature that was also found The Syrian revolution is being hijacked by western vultures

32:17 The other one, the Brazilian revolution is in play. Pay attention! Jasper's arrest on the 4th of July caught the attention of students at UW. Hold on a second... He read.. this is anti-government literature It's talking about the Brazilian government Yeah he says that the Syrian revolution was being hijacked by Western powers and the Brazilian revolution is not being emphasized something or other How is this? anti-government. Even close to being anti government, maybe it's about some other government but this is not anti government literature? This is very dangerous this news report is more dangerous than this guy obviously this is the kind of stuff that... Oh this news report is disgusting! Yeah and clearly we have some packaged things being sent around with

33:08 with music all queued up to make it all, you know to emphasize it. We know that this happens all the time that these news packages are sent out and then the local news loves it they love getting because they don't have to send a guy out just do a voiceover didn't sound like they had much more than that they had pool video Yeah, this is dangerous. This is very dangerous stuff but we're getting close John we are now officially within target range when they start talking about Podcasters being journalists and then journalists having anti-government material How about our show notes?

33:45 They don't know to the no agenda show our anti-government I was a prosecutor with you know as a grudge Yeah, or. I just had you targeted let's say targeted yeah, I could go through that and I could make a case Easily but I could do that with The New York Times for that matter this is this is what this home man? This is exactly the conversation that people need to understand when it comes to allowing some mediocre encroachment on your liberty in turn for some safety. This is exactly the problem, the interpretation I was telling someone the other day The first real lawsuit I was involved with many more to follow

34:27 Was Viacom versus me about the MTV.com domain name and this is now 1993 and I went to the process of discovery and with discovery you pretty much have to show everything that the other side asked for And in those days it was email, but email we didn't have You know nice little didn't have Gmail or any of this, you know You had your email on a server that you typically had in your own office We didn't have no services that hosted mail servers and I had to take printouts of email. Yes print outs dreams of paper

35:06 And backups on floppies which were three and a half inch hard floppy's not quite the the floppy floppys and I had to take them over and I had to walk through it all with the with The other attorneys, and when this is used in court as I wrote something off-the-cuff like you know ah fuck those guys at MTV But about you know a video they were playing and I wrote that to someone else that was then used in court Yeah, and you hear the other lawyer use this. You know clearly mr.. Curry had a disdain for the And you sit there you go like holy crap? I'm guilty That's how it comes across, without context. That is why communications that are private have to be private because if I say this show John knows... you all know i'm talking about no agenda show but the someone who just reads that sentence in a transcript has no idea what they think oh he was talking about that guys' show

36:04 It's the context that can then be used to put anyone in jail, including as you point out John and the entire staff newsroom with The New York Times if you have no context. Yeah Alright, that's it. Good night! We're done. And I was like, oh no! Please. Those guys are hilarious! What are we going to do twice a week? What am I going to do on my commute?! Have you ever driven into D.C.? Come on... We can't pick those guys up. But clearly something's coming Yeah and it has to do with anti-government literature Anti government literature I have like a fairly decent collection for example Of anti government literature No i have a collection of Lenin

37:08 Anti-government literature. I've got Karl Marx's stuff, in fact i'm reading Karl Marx's history of the Civil War as we speak not you You, you, you commie anti government bastards It could be easily construed if it was taken completely out of context Yes! That I was a communist when I'm as far from a communist as you can get Absolutely and that's the number one thing with books I have Mein Kampf here Well, I've always suspected that. Oh please come on! Actually i have minecuff and another one... You have it? And i have Mussolini's novel Of course you have Minecomp Yeah of course its somewhere..I don't even know where it is Important information But then i have Mussolinis novel which has got to say must be crazy No yeah well... I can't remember the name of it It's really a piece of crap but i think it's very collectible Information man new shit has come to light You're not going to believe this

38:00 The book that you turned everyone on to in the Garden of the Beasts. Yeah? Yeah Now I and so there's only two possible reasons this is happening a which i want to believe we are Just, so ahead of the curtain are you did you just give me what was that not me wow that was mean never had That happen before On the Windows box. Either you are just so ahead of the curve, which I think is pretty much what we always are on this show or and i'd hate to think this You are an agent of change Throwing propaganda on us Yeah yeah that seems unlikely based on my income Tom Hanks will be releasing

38:55 the movie version of In The Garden Of Beasts in 2014. Well that'll be great! How about that? Is that insane, that we've been talking about this and he will play the... The ambassador He'll play the ambassador and Natalie Portman will be- This is gonna be huge movie Oh Natalie Portman's gonna be the dimwitted daughter Yeah It says it says rumored, but I'm Perfect. I think she'd be good all in on the Nazis. Yeah screwing the head of the Gestapo and she's smoking yeah Tom hey so now we have to think Tom Hanks him doing this is he what's the spin? He's gonna mean it's hard to put any spin on this book although

39:39 I looked at the budget. Who's producing and directing? He is, it's his touchstone! Oh he's going to be directing? No... Yes! Oh no, I'm sorry Director Michelle Havanavikas Let me see what Michelle Havanavikas has done... He's done... Some spy movies OSS17... What is this, The Artist 2011? Oh, he directed The Artist?! Hello You know the artist, right? I know the artist. Yeah the silent movie that won the best Oscar so that's a great director Well yeah but now he's got voices Is you gonna do it as a silent? It's going to be a silent movie! It's going to be a great movie no talking just a bunch of Nazis all over Natalie Portman

40:31 Well after reading the book I'm gonna be interested in see how they handle it as a screenplay because there's a lot of stuff and then that's really weird Play tone productions not touch some play tone productions. That's Hanks his movie company budget 50 million dollars, that's small That's a small but of course he yeah But it's not an action-adventure it that's actually for just a straight drama. That's that seems reason know if that's not true If it depends on the stars Most of the money that you see in these budgets Frank Karachi my friend who just did the he does it the Kevin James movies Which are not action movies, but he had Kevin James Salma Hayek He had Henry Winkler That's a hundred and seventy million dollar movie. And I said yeah, what do you spend it on hookers? It's like yeah they're called actors

41:21 Because every one of these actors, these days are getting 20-25 million dollars. It's crazy! Yeah but if you're doing it maybe this is a small... This is not the regular production company that Hanks works for. It sounds to me they just take just a piece of the action run it out as an indie and it's not going to cost that much well I think its fine budget He's probably not taking any money And this budget probably does not include anything regarding marketing and Playtone is his own production company. Yeah, he's just gonna go for the small... But it could you know? He's been known to do some kind of propagandistic stuff! Yeah very much so yeah So is he gonna turn this around and turn into the Nazis were good

42:06 I don't think so. How's he gonna work that one out? And how do you choose this if the only reason you brought this book up is to say hold on a second look at exactly where we are, this is the only reason to read this book now is to say here's history look at what happened the run-up to the Hitler regime to the killing of anyone not blue eyed and blonde to the overrun of Europe, to the second greatest world war. The only reason to read that now is to avoid the same trappings which were clearly headed right towards. Do you think Tom Hanks is the guy to bring this message in this movie? Or he's trying to thwart this message and make it into a Nazi movie? You know what I mean?"

42:52 I think the message of this book at base level is that the world back then is maybe what we're going through now, which as we talk about this commonly on the show. That are we in 1930's Germany? Was it like that? when you're around the dinner table what was going on in Germany they were all freaked out because Hitler was running things, they were all happy people were acting normal. They agreed with everything you know in fact like the story and in the book which with the dimwitted daughter who's screwing everybody she just thinks that Nazism is fantastic right? Right! And it the famous uh what's good Colton Bourne

43:36 Who was a radio commentator? We've I don't know if he played a clip of him before but we let me give you an alternative scenario and by the way, mr. So I'm saying that that's what's in the book. I don't know what Hanks is gonna do Alternative scenario mister silicon in the chat room who said oh my god who cares move on You're gonna be the first one in the oven Okay, you're there on the train in the oven get back to this story Don't don't be giving us chaperones Maybe it went down like this. Oh my god, and he's no agenda guys are talking about this book Stop people from reading the book Hanks. Thanks Hey, hey, it's not Clooney Well, he's Hollywood establishment

44:21 Yeah, no. No, no, that's not... When you need a distraction from an illegal action called Hollywood Hey Hanks man listen could you make this movie about some jackboot guys banging Natalie Portman or something? Just so people shouldn't read the book! Okay Well it's always been like that That's not unthinkable And the people who always complain about this when they see the movie and they've read the book They go, oh its nothing like the book Exactly But nobody reads the book after the movie Exactly Here's what is worse about that kind of thing if you think about it. Here is the psychology, Hanks puts a dynamite Nazi movie together with Hortman getting screwed by these jack booted thugs and she's loving it! And people come up to him and say there nothing like the book he says well then I don't want to read this book because this movie was great They win either way whether the movies are dog or not

45:14 Well, it's the important thing that with the takeaway from this is Tom Hanks is going to wind up giving you information Giving the world information that no matter how it turns out people will not read this book And he's getting he has a 50 million dollar budget for it We on the other hand produce the best podcast in the universe and we have zero budget. Well, not true We have producers who care about what we're putting on the air And I think we should thank our executive producers, very similar to when this movie comes out. You'll see people up there, you know John F. Carey, you know they have all the people that helped out on the movie will have some Holocaust experts but they will have the money people Harvey Weinstein now these are the people that are going to be financing the movie and say executive producer Harvey Weinstein associate executive producer Harvey Weinsteins kid brother all day just goes on and on

46:10 I don't think he's married actually. So we have our version of that and these are the people that keep the show on the air by enabling us to do this show Am i talking long enough for you bring up the spreadsheet? Well, here is the problem So I got a spreadsheet error. Oh, really? Excel is unable to open the file by repairing or removing the unreadable content and it gives a bunch of unreadables parts so all i do is that all have on mine is column B and a list of numbers Do you have a spreadsheet that can actually read from? Yeah, I do. What's wrong with mine? And also wish...I want to mention this Eric but I want to mention it everybody

46:55 If you're running newer versions of any of these prod, any of these Windows products don't send out the X version. Like for the spreadsheet send out an xls if you got a doc file people do this all the time they sent out to DocX now only people with the newest versions have these programs can read DocX I can read as xlsx on this machine by the way but it for some reason is not coming in Can i give you some data points? Yes. Number one, you can open the X versions I use OpenOffice and it opens all x versions of everything beautifully when Eric sent the spreadsheet this morning it said in the email it said I have stopped using Windows 8 I've moved to Linux there could be errors in the spreadsheet

47:47 I opened the spreadsheet on OpenOffice on the Mac, no problems. Can you try opening it in OpenOffice? And I encourage Eric not to use Microsoft products so I'm all for it and it opened fine and works perfectly in OpenOffice so... ...I don't understand why its an X. It would work in Microsoft because is supposed to be compatible No! Of course it won't. Microsoft is just not compatible They're job are you running 8? I'm running 7. You want to just try OpenOffice? I don't know that i have open office on this Windows machine because I try to keep stuff off this machine because it's a podcasting machine let me see really does it have a little sticker yes it does podcasting machine only hands-off well soon you will have the ultimate podcast device and yeah you will only need the computer for spreadsheets

48:46 Excel was able to open the file by repairing or removing the unreadable content. Yeah, go ahead Just say yeah doesn't still check views listing repair my device Do you mind if I just read the you're gonna have to because I can't okay Why don't you find a sir Eric's note of? Minnesota nuts apparently sent you an email Or no idea. I'll start though with Sir David are fully black baron of Silicon Valley who comes in with a very apropos? seven hundred and seventy-seven dollars and thirty three cents He knows how to send us the message that's for sure. I was from Los Gatos, California in the morning Adam John Please keep that no agenda karma coming my way as my stock doubled after your last dose so we are happy

49:37 to tell the Baron of Silicon Valley to bend over because here comes another dose of karma. You've got karma! That is fantastic as a measure of support for the program then we have Sir Eric of Minnesota Nuts who I believe this was meant for I'm thinking it has like the fourth he wanted to get it in but just showed up at the post office box on Saturday five so He does 5 2 7 7 4 But I'll gonna give him a five two eight club member. Yeah, because if you round that up It's five to eight and you have a note from him yeah He says here's some money

50:19 Right. That's it? And by the way, I want to mention this he is actually somewhat famous in where he is from but what he did was a very cute little letter and its got a seal He used the No Agenda Oh our sealing wax seal The envelope and then inside his little note he has got the seal again Really that cool! He using that wax now I think I use my wax pretty quick I did that for awhile Okay, I'm gonna put my signet ring in there. Ah perfect sir Mark Dytham of Tokyo Of course we have Sir mark and day mastered who have been longtime supporters of the show both of them are extremely famous in Japan and Sir Mark says what can we say you are already the only news source? We listen to we just cannot bear to listen to anything else. I've been doing my sums He's British

51:15 It looks like I can proudly call myself Baron of Tokyo. The territory will happily be the slave under the Viscountess Astrid of Tokyo Needless to say, I need to upgrade quickly to Viscount so that I can get by and we'll start by donating $333.33 today. I was in Beijing Friday night Did you see the note with the bottle? I did see the note with the bottle, yes. I was thinking of slipping this bottle of Chateau Latour 1981 into a bag for John to auction off however it was a six liter bottle This thing was beautiful and it was open! The cork was off and people were drinking it Yeah well 6-liter bottle is imperial

51:59 Right that's got to be a $8,000 bottle of wine. There was 81 Latour yeah more No it's a six liter of 80 when the tour is probably Probably about a thousand dollars and he says we ended up drink okay so 6,000 big deal He says we ended up drinking it The whole bottle? Yeah That's our audience I love it You just see Sir Mark. Ho ho ho! Ah, hello... Damien Rothschild? Apparently he's the Baron of Tokyo now. Welcome to Tokyo which I own Have you said hello to Viscountess Dame Astrid? If you don't she will clap you in irons Love you guys. We'll make sure we attach the proper title to you Baron Of Tokyo

52:59 That's great. You know I'm thinking that if Eric, which he just did he sent me the XLS file yeah because with these open office systems all these other ones they...I think that perfect works fine would you because they Microsoft is really screwed with things with this x thing yes cuz they did it with DocX and which i still moan and groan about okay so he's got the I got Well, not really. Because I have David Foley at the top HW Smith and Dame Francine Hardaway he sent me last week's or no that's not the right one 526 Eric that's not what it's okay I will continue work things out John Reichert I think it is RICHERT from New Orleans

53:48 This is also a 333-333 donation. This should put me over night level, could use some heartbreak karma. Aww... Are there any New Orleans area female listeners out there looking for love from a knight? Jesus that's sad he adds to his note! Well John we will be knighting you today and I would just have to use my regular line which is send pictures We'll see if we can hook ya up there in New Orleans and on a little bit of heartbreak karma for you You've got karma. Oh Sir, dr. Sharkey is back once again He is really on a roll and in fact today's donation of 3333 3 should bring him up to a baron he'd like to be Baron sir Dr. Sharky protector of the great Smokey Mountains oh cool I think that's possible. That's fine And he wants you know why those smoky mountains are smokey um

54:47 There's so many pine trees in the area and it gets a kind of hot humidity. That smoke of the Great Smoky Mountain is all pollution from evaporating pine tar liquids, terpenes mostly that get into this mess. It looks like smoke. Should be called The Great Smoggy Mountains. Well he shall be protector of The Great Smoggy Mountains And he wants, uh... what does he want here? He wants a magic number L-G-Y I-T-M karma. Okay. There you go! Baba Mustafa or Mustafa from Clayton North Carolina Uh, douchebag that other guy Who we supposed to be douche bagging

55:46 I'll do it, sure! I would have donated more but i had to buy some magic beans from that Alex James from infant wars. Hear the sonic boom from a hellfire and duck really? A missile traveling faster than sound will arrive after the sound of its sonic boom arrives oh Bogut of Clip best podcast in universe Oh course he's talking about the drone operator who was on NBC with that interview And he's saying this is total bogativeness because if the guy hears the sonic boom, then the hellfire is already up his butt.

56:24 You know, now that you mention it, I wish we'd caught that. There are so many things we miss that people point out... Yeah no, I would say that's a mea culpa error on our part because at 600-something miles an hour the boom is going to arrive long after the thing hits. That's really dumb that we missed that one. Isn't that annoying when that happens? Yeah, I got another correction we have to talk. We'll do that in a second first week and so Bubba will be an associate executive producer Michael Knight And Bubba came in with 250 Thank you very much Bubban and Michael night from Katy Texas also 250 longtime boner first-time donor Thank you very much appreciate that since you're in the first time want to give you a little bit of karma for that always nice To see them. You've got the newbies John Sextro st Peter's Missouri 222 with no note that I have

57:19 Keith Brown, another Spring Texas with $200 will come out to be a associate executive producer and oh there she is Dame Astrid will be associate executive producer. Dear John and Adam, Dame Astrid says your analyses are top-notch lately and getting better by the day over the years I've become such a no agenda bot that i have to remind myself to remain critical If all my calculations are right, please find accounting below. This should make me Viscountess of Tokyo and I shall endeavor to bring the city's giant voice system under my jurisdiction To allow for the best podcast in the universe to be broadcast when the need arises to awaken the slaves Thank you and keep it coming. Yeah, I have to say I really love these two yeah, they're the best It's um yeah, it's good to have them on our side Oh

58:17 Miss Mickey is doing everything in her power to get us over to Tokyo. So you should be able to manage that? Well, I said if you can get a gallery to show then yeah we'll go over We don't have money just gallivanting over to Tokyo It's not expensive over there. Tokyo is an expensive operation. That's other parts of Japan which are nicer too. I don't like Tokyo at all I think it's too crowded, it's too big. The traffic is terrible." Well, I've never been so it's kind of important to go see it you know? And Miki lived in Nagasaki for five years so she wants to show me Nagasaki which sounds like a dynamite place! Well Kyoto and Sapporo are the places that most Americans like That where the beer comes from? Maybe... It's named after it

59:09 All right, we want to thank all these people for generously helping us on show 528. We want to remind people go to Dvorak.org slash NA, channelDvorak.com slash NANOagendaShow.com and also NOAgendanation.com there's a donate button there you can click on it and give us some attention for show 529 coming out next Thursday. And I want to remind people that we're going to be early hour Oh, that's right on Thursday. Yes next Thursday so people if they want to listen live they might want to change their we will be at 8 a.m. Get my nation West time That will be 5 p.m.. Gitmo Nation East time

59:54 I think in the UK? No, no. In the UK yeah. Oh yo, UK! Yeah that's Gitmo Nation East here. Right right keep thinking it. I have no idea i'm just gonna wait until you call me i'm just going to get up real at five and just wait i have no idea what time that is now It's usually... What time is it there now? Thanks I think I get it i'm just kidding ya! devorak dot org slash n a There you go do you hear they changed it now now I can remember it Okay, three nine breaking up. I couldn't else Arito 9 4 5 3 0 that's it It works yes success okay of course we need you to do this Propaganda formula our formula is this We go out we hit people in the mouth

1:00:57 Shut up, snake! 33 is the magic number dot-com where this currently has 166 articles all articles that mention the number 33 are tracked on this website as a part of the school little Masonic symbol here. It's kind of funny This is an interesting website one of our producers put together. I like it, and i think its overdue Right? Yeah absolutely Let's have a quick little rundown McDowell clinches French Open title the 33 year old more time for missing women suspects interview 33 year old man UKIP is not Torrey Splinter Group thirty three percent It's interesting yeah that's it's an idea long long overdue very nice So there are couple things going on just kind of on the side here

1:02:02 I have a clip that i want to play because there will be some reference to it later. But ever since the guy, the blimey character Binnie who was the NSA whistleblower from sometime ago... This is the stellar winds guy? Is Binny, B-I-N-N-E-Y? I got this NSA... He has something else. Wasn't he the guy who ratted on the Stilver Wings? You'll have to make me look it up! Don't worry about it. No one cares. Doesn't matter. Anyway, we had Binny on and he's going around giving speeches and talks about how he turned whistleblower in 2001. It was illegal spying on the public. Same thing is going on now.

1:02:45 I mean these guys know what the law is and they see it being broken and they blow the whistle then they get you know thrown in jail by the FBI. This is a long clip but this is a rundown because here in the US if people haven't been following this worldwide, a very notorious criminal named Whitey Bolger was arrested about a year or so ago after he went on The Run. He was running most of the mob action Boston and he's the main, he is the character that was played by Jack Nicholson in the movie Departed. And he was involved with the FBI as a supposedly an informant which he denies but he was an informant. An FBI two FBI guys were indicted for being corrupt but it seems to me to be deeper than that when it comes to the FBI and the reason I bring this up because Benny

1:03:42 who says the one mistake he made as a whistleblower was talking to the FBI because essentially they railroaded him into something that ended up him being indicted for espionage or whatever. But this FBI story I think really The FBI needs to be called out when this reporter discusses the operation, especially the Boston group. Like they should be ashamed of themselves. Whitey Bulger are from the wrong side of the tracks. They're criminals themselves There was a corrupt FBI agent named John Morris who just spent a few days on the stand. And these are nefarious people and particularly the hitman, John Maderano who was up there for several days I described in one of my columns that after the first two days of his testimony we were hit by punishing rains

1:04:32 He is such a venal and vile man who's admitted to murdering 20 people that it was almost as if there was a higher power that needed to wash us of our having to listen to this guy. But I think the most powerful testimony over the last two weeks have come from ordinary people Because there was a myth that the government, particularly the FBI and the Justice Department wanted you to accept when it came to Whitey Bulger is that he only killed other criminals. Well, that died on the waterfront of South Boston with a man named Michael Donahue in 1982 And his family has been in court every day for the last few weeks. And yesterday, John Morris that corrupt FBI agent who helped get Michael Dunew murdered turned to the family and apologized to them Now that murder happened 31 years ago and this is the first time anyone remotely connected to this government has apologized to the Dunew family

1:05:26 is pat down to michael's widow who raised three boys on her own after a husband was murdered with fbi complicity as she said to me it's a little late for an apology but um... andy the if you look at the donahue family the way they have been dragged through the mud by their own government The idea that the FBI got their husband and their father killed is one thing, but the Justice Department refused to apologize to them. Refused to settle with them. Dragged him through nine years of litigation and so to see that apology in the court was one of the most emotional moments And it really had nothing to do with testimony It really wasn't evidence it was just a sign of emotion and humanity In a place where there's...that has been

1:06:09 sorely lacking. Now you're gonna have to explain this to me because I kind of lost the plot on it well the FBI was in bed with Bulger is the problem okay and they could cuz Bulger had convinced them and then movie pretty much discusses most of this he's convinced the FBI that can get him bigger fish By convincing them that he was not a big fish, but he was going to be great informant for them and that's what he did. So what he managed to do is use the FBI to get rid of his enemy This is no dissimilar from whats going on with the Sinaloa cartel by the way right now as we speak

1:06:47 We're in bed with the Sinaloa cartel thinking we got something going on, we got it over them. But anyway, Bolger was an extremely intelligent character using the FBI and he managed to use the FBI... this guy that was murdered, this citizen was gonna be like a I forget what his basis for for Bolger wanting him dead but the FBI essentially set it up And then once it was discovered some years back that the FBI was behind the murder of this innocent civilian, the family went to get some compensation and the government went after them. That sounds like America!

1:07:24 And it's just really a disgusting story that people should look into. And then the FBI has never explained it, the Justice Department has never... like he said, like the reporter says they've yet to apologize The corrupt FBI guy apologized on the stand because I guess he was getting badgered by the prosecution. But whatever the case, it's just a really sad point that this sort of thing takes place and i think is going on now with the Sinaloa cartel we have this sense there's a bunch of these law enforcement types who have this sense that they're smarter than the bad guys because the bad guys are undereducated or whatever but in most cases they're not and that this kind of hubris that is problematic. I would also say that most of the recruiting for

1:08:14 for the FBI and the CIA and many of the intelligence agencies are done at some of the most prestigious Universities in the country, and a lot of these students are hyped up. I'm sure you've heard the NSA recruiters going into universities trying to get kids To buy into their bullcrap and they weren't having it. Did you hear any of this? No, oh jeez Everyone's heard this I can't believe I would have clipped it if I didn't know you hadn't heard it Well, I don't know that I haven't heard it but yeah what no I don't have a clip But the kids are basically here they're saying well wait a minute You're asking us to spy on Americans like well, no, we're not really It just hit me there's really is beautiful listen too but my point being

1:09:01 that these recruiters come in, they make you feel great. This is the Matt Damon movie that he wrote and won awards for. The Boring Conspiracy? No! You know, Matt and Ben. Yeah I can't remember the name of that one where they also treat he's genius He's a genius. Everyone is blowing him to get him to work for them This is what happens and so the hubris has built into the process like oh yeah, I'm pretty fucking good I should be working. I should have clearance Get a badge you get some funky make it shoot somebody hey you get likes all kinds of passes could challenge coins Hey

1:09:48 Get a challenge. I gotta get that the challenge coin to own now by the way Did you get anybody out there has one or can get one? Did you get the NSA challenge coin? Yeah, I did get that because I was contacted anonymous person who sent it to me buy the NSA did it say w a W why on the note It's the same coin you have but did I apparently you got a note this at WAW y Okay, did you get a note that said that Not that I remember. Oh hmm interesting, and have to go get the coin Anyway stands for we are watching you So it's funny though Yeah, they can get that coin on eBay for $14 95 cents so Wow Thanks our NSA is dried up

1:10:42 The coin I want is that what's the name of the new guys? Secretary defense, what's his name Helger hold the whole room Yeah Dresden Okay Yeah Dumbo. I know I know who you mean yeah, I know he mean the secretary of Defense Yeah You can't even get his name by typing it into Wikipedia. What do you mean, of course you can! No I mean Chuck Hagel That's what i said, Hagel Who is the guy that's the head of CIA then? Either the new CIA or Hagel They have their own challenge coin It's like kind of one you have with some signed

1:11:32 Yeah, I had a signature but this one it doesn't even say that what they're doing is just their coin. I think we should have individual coins of Adam Curry challenge going yeah Okay, that's we need more We need more annoying things to have to send through the mail This is a great idea I could do it when I can do it anyway So just just throw me I throw the stuff out you should uh? We got an email from some guy Do you have the email the guy who says that he used to work for Alec and And he believes... Yes, yes I did. And and I found this to be very interesting so ALEC stands for what is it the abbreviation of? It's the American Legislative Exchange something right and essentially again they're a bill mill essentially what they do it's a bill mill is yeah as they sit around and they wait for... American Legislative Exchange Council Right They sit around and they wait

1:12:25 Deliver the goods to their members which are essentially large corporations, and then they draft legislation and Through their donations in their systems and through lobbying They get the legislation entered enacted or you know sometimes pass enacted a study by state State-by-state And he sent a note and said look I used to work for Alec and I think that you're onto something here with this abortion legislation being the same in all these different states including Texas and North Carolina. Not only is the legislation eerily similar when it comes to the level of sophistication clinics will have

1:13:04 But it was also introduced in a stealthy way here in Texas, in a special session which is weird certainly for something as controversial as this. And in North Carolina was attached to some bill that was about banning Sharia law so its kind of being introduced stealthily and I went and looked and low and behold this legislation called the... oh man! it's something like the right, something about the clinics was written for Republicans to introduce and you know my theory is yeah because somehow the next step is to figure out how how to use public funds for it to give to the insurance companies or to Medicaid and it'll be a bonanza. And your $500 abortion will go to five thousand

1:13:58 And you can just count out the money. It's gonna be huge! It turns out that Alec is also behind all kinds of... Pre-born pain act, that's what it's called. The pre-born pain act. Alec is behind all the stuff where you say oh can't take photos they're the ones working on legislation so you can't take photos of wrongdoing especially in the food business Oh right, where you can't take pictures of cows being led to slaughter and the chicken houses. That kind of legislation? Yeah well here let me play two clips and I'll play the Alec clip. Okay. Yes exactly. First start with Amy Meyers story. Okay does it need a lead in? No just this woman that was arrested for taking photos and luckily a bunch of social media got her out of prison or out of jail.

1:14:59 of how toxic sunshine is to this industry and to these bills, is the first prosecution which happened in Utah. This was the first prosecution under any of this legislation A woman named Amy Meyer was charged for filming a slaughterhouse from the public easement She went to this place because she knew abuse was happening. She heard that cows were being pushed around by bulldozers, much like that situation that led to the largest meat recall in US history so she had a reasonable interest in seeing what was happening I have her video I'll be putting up in the next couple days on my site but it shows heavy equipment moving these sick animals and she was charged under this legislation

1:15:46 So I wrote an article about it, and put it up on my own website. And within 24 hours, it was getting hundreds of thousands of views. Went up on Reddit and brought the site down because it was getting several hundred unique visitors a second for several hours. So within 24 hours after this had just made the rounds everywhere...I know that word viral doesn't mean a whole lot anymore but I think this legitimately went viral pretty fast The prosecutor is like we're going to drop all the charges So think about what that reflects. I mean, this is criminal activity up until the point people know what's going on and get pissed off about it and then it's oh no no we didn't mean to do that Amy Meyer's not gonna be prosecuted

1:16:28 Okay, what this is it tells me is that the deeds guys are putting laws on the books just to screw with people But if there's enough people find out about it There's such an outrage that these guys back off real quick Which means these are really really sketchy laws that shouldn't even be on the books and somehow some buddy rammed them through Played this other one which has no photos of farmers okay? Stuck here moment Sorry, here we go. So the response to these damning investigations by industry has not been to change animal welfare standards or to change the most abusive practices it's been outlawed people who are exposing them so last year there were 10 bills introduced that specifically criminalize undercover investigations of factory farms and slaughterhouses

1:17:24 They include language, which I'll talk about in a moment about banning photography, banning videotape and enhanced criminal penalties for that. This actually passed in several states, Iowa, Utah and Missouri which are green on this map here. Yeah we've talked about that a couple times. Alright so now play the Alex clip. Have you all heard of ALEC? The American Legislative Exchange Council has kind of become a well-known group especially at conferences like this Alec in 2003 drafted a piece of model legislation called the Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act. And, Alec for those of you who don't know it's a corporate front group and the way it operates is corporations give tens of thousands of dollars to their organization and then exchange for that they get a seat at the table drafting model legislation. Then those model bills are taken back by state lawmakers around the country and introduced

1:18:19 where their colleagues have no idea that they were actually written by Pfizer and Wyeth, and FlaxoSmithKline, and the Commons Association. Exactly! Monsanto, Enron... The union-busting bills in Wisconsin were ALEC. The standard ground bills in Florida So this Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act was written by these industries And the model bill includes things like undercover investigations It also includes really dangerous language about materially or financially supporting people who are doing things like this in order to encourage, plan and prepare carry out publicize or promote these activities. This kind of material support language is not just about undercover investigators it's not just about arsonists or the animal liberation front its about people like us I mean make absolutely no mistake about the intent of this language its about people who are sharing this information

1:19:12 online and writing about it, and people like me who are speaking out in defense of political prisoners. This all has to be viewed in this post-911 context. This is from a Freedom of Information Act document obtained from the FBI that shows the Bureau was actually considering terrorism prosecutions against undercover investigators as far back as 2003. This was even before new legislation called the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act was passed Again, this isn't about property destruction. It's not about arson. This is about people taking photographs. This is from another FOIA request. These were presentations given by the FBI to new FBI special agents. This was one page on animal rights and eco-activists and notice the emphasis on information

1:20:04 about them being engaged in a public relations war, how media is vital to every part of their campaigns. God forbid media sometimes is even slanted in their favor and sometimes they use celebrities. This rhetoric, in addition to being a top FBI priority of terrorism threat it's also been embraced by corporations and of course politicians when that meat recall happened in California And soon after, another investigation shut down a slaughterhouse. The industry put pressure on local lawmakers, members of Congress who in turn sent a letter to the USDA in which they said undercover investigations were an act of quote economic terrorism Okay help me understand because it so far It sounds pretty much like the American way I'm not quite sure how the FBI gets sucked into this

1:21:02 I don't know how they got sucked into it either, but apparently these guys have put together packages. These industry guys have put together these packages and they make such a... this is lobbyists! Yes And they make such a fuss that the legislative branch of the government tells the FBI or gives them a clue you know the FBI would like to arrest everyone says look this is terrorism and they make the argument that its terrorism these guys and this is the various angles of it, this guy came on to our facility posing as a worker and all he did was take pictures and then he exposed us for being...this is terrorism. They're terrorizing, they're hurting business, they are hurting the bottom line! And now we take it to another extreme which is one that really bothers me Oh did you read this? These guy wrote in defense of this guy who was working for us

1:21:54 taking pictures and making us look bad, he's a terrorist this writer. Yeah Seriously this is where it all headed Yes And Alec is...and you brought this You discovered this by bringing up the abortion deal Mm-hmm and then having our guy come in with the Alec notation which I forgot all about Alec Yeah me too And then I coincidentally listening to C-SPAN caught this little Alec clip I'm thinking this is this needs to be exposed. This is horrible a lot of people are trying to expose Alec I think that's pretty futile because it is the biggest companies It makes me kind of laugh Is that in many ways? It plays right into what people actually want and their anger and outrage is being used To get what they think they want And let me elaborate Oh, man we had so we had another dinner

1:22:51 We have one of our... Elaborate first or before after the dinner. It's a part of it, okay? Let's go into the dinner we will wrap it up Yeah The reason why Okay So I'm gonna jump around in the dinner there were two so this is the Obama bot dinners that we have which are turning out to be that our table mates are moving away from Obama botanist and I've got to be careful because you know once they're converted will be no more fun Why go? This is group 3, isn't it? Test Group A. Specimens A we have a Laurie and Mark and then we have Russ and his wife Jennifer and Russ you'll recall is the professor of brain shit here at University of Texas he's a brain professor

1:23:44 Now his, I guess technically his boss the chair of the psychology department at University of Texas joined our group. By the way how cool is this that a dropout this jockey gets to argue with these people for free like no tuition. For free? When do you have to pay to argue? And i get fed it's great! Yeah well your doing the cooking this time right? No no no this was at Lori's house now she did the cooking Okay, yeah and now we'll talk about Jamie Pennebaker later because Jamie is the performatives guy. He's the secret life of pronouns. The performers that we did... We heard his tape and I got to talk to him about that His wife is Ruth Pennebaker She has written wow! I think five or six books that have been published she's written extensively

1:24:32 for the New York Times, a lot in the arts section. But she's... I can say she is a very outspoken feminist and to give you an idea She well, she's very much... She talks like a Hummer! Like a Berkley Hummer In fact, she has that New York Times kind of cadence to her What's interesting about you what in the milieu? Yes indeed. What's interesting about Ruth is that she not only she blogged but she was at the protest and I think she was arrested Because she had a coat hanger Now Ruth, I don't know how old she is And I don't care to guess but I will say that she is at least two years older than I am so That would put her at a minimum of 50

1:25:23 And I was not about for a single minute going to really get into my personal feelings about this issue because I think I probably would have ruined the night at the get-go. So, you know... I admire your ability to manage this because I tend to in these situations, I just clam up. I'm the worst guy to be at this thing." Well, I had done a lot of homework. I had read their books...I'd read his book and her books or at least one of her columns so I already knew kind what i was getting into and you can't walk into these situations because people don't listen! This is the main thing and it became true. I don't think she really heard me when I did lay down my

1:26:12 My smack on her I said, oh you know, I think this is great because i've been following this and it looks to me like You know this 20 pages of legislation about the about the clinics And by the way She had not read the bill. I will point that out It's like oh, that's interesting. You went to protest something you had not read I said, did you wear an orange t-shirt? Yeah. Where'd it come from? I don't know someone's handing them out the Planned Parenthood who was handed... You just need to know these things because this is big money. Planned Parenthood has an annual income of $155 million dollars. I checked their form 990.

1:26:49 So there's a lot of money involved in this abortion business and then a lot of people want it for one reason or the other. And I'm not so sure necessarily about protecting unborn life, or protecting a woman's rights. I've never seen any legislator really give a shit about the citizenry. It's all about money! And I said, I think it's going to be a bonanza and they're setting it up. We've got this everywhere in the States and Alec is you know the Bill Mill was writing this stuff and it's gonna be great poor women everywhere will be able to get abortions It's just it's gonna be $5,000 billed to the insurance and ultimately we'll all pay for it You know, it's funny. It really didn't even register. I could see it was just kind of flying by but here's what I learned Almost no one at this protest was under 50 now What what's wrong with that?

1:27:41 Yes, not like they're having babies. Thank you and and I kind of probed a little bit and I said You know nowhere in the bill which I actually read does it this is later during the dinner not? Off the bat. I said, you know, I read the bill and it had all these requirements But yeah that's gonna make it all these All these clinics shut down. I said how do you know well this fact Oh your accepting the math we don't actually know the calculation Yeah, and I went looking John. I cannot far-I see graphics, I see maps, I see maps with pinpoints and flashing lights And you see like 50 in the group then they all go away and there's only six left It was like okay but yeah, this was designed to shut down clinics! No it was designed to if you look at it...and this is what I love with professors at the table and by the way Mr. Pennebaker had listened to some of our show when he loves it

1:28:40 He's like, oh you guys are great. I love this because he actually said you're fucking great i love this shit See he believes that when people use swear words they're more honest so i think he uses them a lot just gratuitously uh more than most people not gratuitously but when he really wants to accentuate a point he says it comes across he's an expert he's a linguist these people you're more believable if you use swear words I'm just a point, a small point i want to throw out there. But when you're talking to scientists it's very... It's great because now I've learned you can say oh really? Do you have the calculation no so well it's actually not in the bill and nowhere does it say this bill intends to shut down clinics So you are just making a your regurgitating talking points of which you have no scientific or mathematical fact Have you ever seen a professor shut up

1:29:31 Because you just said something like that? Well, if you say something like that and it's true they would shut up. Now... And then of course Russ the brain professor he hands me this article about the eat right for your blood type Oh man I'm totally shut down on that! He destroyed it I didn't think it made sense. But nothing about the whole back story, everything is wrong about it! The whole backstory and everything... He must have worked for a week on researching this. I'm gonna get this curry. I don't care, I'm gonna find it. And he has all these... I put in the show notes so that's pretty sure that was all placebo effect but ultimately yeah don't eat grains you'll be healthier that's for sure

1:30:13 Yeah, yeah that's I think absolutely true. So the main thing is in this kind of to bring it back to Alec is that there's big money involved in this particular legislation and and I You know look we put in God We trust on our money here in America okay? There's a reason for that the money is bigger than god. I'm sorry I'm just not buying it And then when I'm seeing all the money that is being spent by the way Wendy Davis who is now being heralded as the rising political star who has been born. I looked at her funding and you know it's $500,000 from this law firm it's all these law firms that are expert at suing the government so and they have essentially financed a lot of what she's been doing in the past

1:30:56 in the past year. So there's a lot of interest in this and again I thoroughly believe that it's all going to come down to something that is really going to be Republican led, that will be the joke of it all, Republican led and it will bring in some kind of financing for abortions We're talking about a very small amount of actual vaginal abortions. Most of this is RU486, it's a pill you know it goes in two weeks later everything's done It's relatively safe, its highly controversial but has been around for a long time I don't think it's in patent anymore and that's what we're really talking about and right now it's 500 bucks That's too cheap!

1:31:42 You can't really do anything with that. It needs to be $5,000. This is the same thing with a lot of these manufacturing chemists. Yes! With the compounders... They make the drug for the person customized at the manufacturer but it's too cheap Yeah no good Why should we be selling anyone drugs that they need to survive? For like $25 bucks a month Don't do that We could sell it for two thousand a month Don't do that this is no good No, let's gouge the public. Especially when it is a kind of captive market. Just gouge them! Gouge, gouge, gouge! But here is the big tip off John... It's not actually the women who need these abortions who are protesting So what does that tell you? And this is the discussion we got rigged Well its worse than that

1:32:33 And because I did lay a little bit of Because Jennifer who's there, you know? She's protested this before not this particular time But she's pro and and she's really really angry. You know this whole get out of my vagina thing What are you doing in my womb and and you can and I can feel a huge surge of emotion that's funneled that's channeled into this But it's about a lot more, you know. It's just people are crazy these days they're angry They're upset they're pressured by all kinds of things but it's a trigger and I think this is along This is kind of the Republican version or maybe it's all Democrat I don't know who gives a crap which one it is this is only about getting your vote? it's about getting your vote just like the gun issue and and it's about getting the upper middle-aged

1:33:22 Woman's vote. I don't think it's about anything else and it's and do you realize this bill is not really forbidding anything There's no real change You're listening to talking points, and you're getting riled up And you're getting angry and then you're walking around with coat hangers, and you know you don't even tend to get pregnant anymore Do you see that? You're being manipulated all men all that got everyone into a tizzy What you said that yes, I had to I had to this bit was late in the meal. Yes this way Yes, this was much later in the meal Oh Who got I had everyone on my it was alright? It was alright But it was a little tense betcha there's high fives and some PR agency as we speak No not you no, I'm talking about over this event oh Okay

1:34:12 Yeah, totally totally and if you look at the the people involved it's I mean Wow Cecile Richards who was Ann Richards daughter and Richard's who? Was here before George W. New Texas was run by Democrats You'd be like do you be amazed to know And she makes half a million dollars of this Planned Parenthood thing It's a big operation and there's all kinds of all kinds of things going on with this But I really have to say It is manipulation of people, using their utmost fears and desires and angers. And man you can get women really angry about this issue very easily! You can't just say well I think X Y or Z certainly not as a guy because then all of the sudden your just shit! You know? You could actually get beat up over this. You have to be very careful So I come back from the front saying it was not pretty sight

1:35:11 I do need to bring you some more reports from this dinner because there were some other interesting things we discussed, particularly with Professor Pennebaker who it was...I kind of eased into it. Kind of let him know that I had read his book and I said, you know this performative stuff was really quite fantastic and he's just launched into what he told everyone because no one knew what I was talking about except Mickey And then so he explains performatives, and for those of you who don't know it's where typically a politician will say things like let me be clear. And then whatever he says after that doesn't matter because he already told the truth because he just wanted to be clear didn't want to tell you the truth

1:35:52 He was just... My favorite one, I was thinking about this the other day and I realized the Kennedys had a distinct one that caught on for awhile and then it kind of dropped off. And it's Ted Kennedy used to say but John Kennedy used to say all the time And it was this, let me say this about that. That's the best one right? I think that is the best one because... Let me say this about that yeah! That is good one. Let me say this about that but what you are going to say next could be anything Well here is an example from Steven Harper of The Canadias And the Prime Minister is also defending his actions following new revelations in the Senate expenses scandal. Here's what he had to say when asked about the payment between his former Chief of Staff Nigel Wright and Conservative Senator Mike Duffy

1:36:37 First of all, let me be very clear on this. I've been clear repeatedly. It's a double whammy! I've been clear repeatedly. Let me be clear about this. I learned of this on May the 15th... He doesn't stop it's all performative. As soon as I learned of this I made this information available to public and people in Canada So that's basically what it is And then at late...I forget who it was one of our producers said The presidential oath is essentially the biggest performative Because it says, I here do by solemnly swear that to the best of my ability. Like okay thanks goodnight go home doesn't matter what you say after that. Pennebaker...I thought he was gonna shit himself! He's like oh my god and never thought about one so now i'm on the inside right now like hey this is good tell me some more. So I want to get into his research which hasn't been published yet

1:37:28 And he has computer programs and he does a lot with pronouns. So, he has computer programs that calculate the use of certain words but it's the words like I am we are that there they these types of things and he has several proven theorems that uh...that he can point to And the first thing he told me about was, and you can also see if a writer was male or female. And he's done some very interesting studies to see how good playwrights were at writing male or female characters etc., and just to give an example all of the female characters in Quentin Tarantino movies are extremely written as extreme males so are those of Shakespeare

1:38:20 And he has studied all the American presidents and he said about Barack Obama, he said it's unbelievable. He said every single American president is 100% macho male. Barack Obama could not be more female. It says it's like a woman is writing his stuff I said, Valerie Jarrett? He didn't get it. But he says the way the president talks speaks it's all very soft a little wishy-washy but he's doing it with scientific you know with word counts and yeah there are a lot of...there's actually a bunch of computer programs that attempt to do this and you can run

1:38:59 I've run professional writers, a copy through bunch of these systems and you can find...you can't always spot a female writer but you can see them trending to female. Most professional writers are all trained similarly so the femaleness comes from a professional. Professionals have a professional style that they develop from training and editing And they tend to be kind of mostly, if not all male even if they're women. But normal people that just write away and are just writing naturally I think it's easier with them. I think its harder with professionals. Well of course a professional is trying... A great writer can write a woman's character the way a woman thinks you know? That would be the hallmark of a great writer. I don't think so

1:39:47 I don't think that's the hallmark of a great writer being able to become a woman. No, but okay you're right... I'm not even sure many great writers have ever accomplished what you just said Well he has done this exact study and... Okay well what great writers have done it? I don't have that information handy but if you look at it doesn't I would say that it may be challenging to write like a woman if you don't know what you're doing, To actually write from a female perspective and for it to come out in the computer analysis as... ...a woman. But sometimes it may not be necessary ergo Quentin Tarantino's characters his female characters are all extremely male and His movies seem to do fine So it's just the point that you can distinguish between men and women in their writing in general Is that fair?

1:40:38 I'd say it's partially true. If you want to make the argument, I'm not going to argue against it but... It is what his research shows and he's probably coming up with that but I don't know if he's studying just professionals No no no in fact far from it and the reason why he does this The ultimate reason is to see that if you he's all about writing certain things if you had traumatic experiences and you can actually heal yourself so his This is all just side research which by the way is now going to Bing this is very interesting because after these guys All got consulting gigs. It's very interesting So being it looks like the search engine is gonna be looking at some some fun things Now the way things are written, but of course You know

1:41:25 These guys are vibing on Twitter and all these incredible data sets that we have. And what he's done is, if you go and look at the pronouns particularly the use of I words that every single president has used before warfare In speeches etc. You can see that right before They are about to attack or do something their use of I goes down significantly said George W with Iraq Senior with the with near the first Gulf War Nixon, I mean he's gone back and studied that and And I said, well how about Obama? He says no we haven't really done that research. So we have to... I bet she's gonna find a little contrariness there because if you remember we've spotted this when they got Bin Laden it was eye-eye-eye he's very eye oriented or and this is where i'm going It didn't actually happen

1:42:25 No intention. It's all it's not it's yeah, that's actually a good one Yeah That's the way I see it and he has done so and this kind of the reverse of the last piece of information that I got from him They studied the younger Sarnef brothers tweets you know the the So-called Boston bomber And so here like at first of all, he said no we took the Boston bomber. I said, I'm sorry He hasn't actually been convicted of anything Oh, you know the alleged Boston Bomber said yeah and they studied his tweets going on. You got somebody to actually have to use the word alleged at a dinner table? Hell Yeah! I would've just said eat shit! No these are professors this is what's so great about it you can do this thought...you can do it all night long

1:43:15 So they took the Tsarnaev brothers tweets and there were two things they analyzed, the I-word usage which started to go down when his older brother went back to Chechnya. But then when this older brother came back not only did the I word usage stop but the cognitive words really dropped off meaning according to the professor meaning that they had already made up their mind they were going to do something And I found this to be interesting because neither you or i necessarily believe that they were certainly solely responsible for the Boston bombing. A lot has yet to be proven, there's a lot of questions and sketchiness and certainly no videotape as alleged but it does feel like perhaps they were involved in some kind of operation and something was taking place but it's not necessarily that. He is going to submit this research, I'm wondering if it's going to be used in court which would be kinda funny

1:44:12 Go on, because that brings up another interesting thing that I picked up off the C-SPAN using this sort of thing in court. Well let's go ahead because I'm about to wrap it up with a document that I want to talk about so if you've got something about this... Yeah! I thought this was kind of interesting they had a bunch of people on and there is another one of these crazy little events somebody brought this using NSA data in court and I think that this is maybe one of the reasons that the FBI and all these other guys are freaked out about the Snowden revelations because they don't need this situation getting out of control where it's gonna require, and i'll tell you what I think it's going to require after you play the clip.

1:44:52 A really interesting example from my work just on this topic real fast is that in 2005 there were a group of environmentalists that were facing multiple life sentences for property destruction. And like these cases, the government was just turning the screws and really threatening them with this and they were refusing to take any plea agreement or a handful of these activists including Daniel McGowan from New York And the defense attorneys filed a motion for any NSA surveillance that was used. This was at really the peak of all the Bush administration spy scandal, right? The judge agreed and so it's just like wow holy crap this is amazing! This could throw out if that were used it could throw out entire prosecutions and then what happened is prosecutors have this amazing change of heart

1:45:40 And they agreed to take the plea agreements without them snitching on their friends in order to quash that motion so it wouldn't move forward. element that not a lot of people know about, I have a very strong suspicion that illegal surveillance is working its way into many court cases and there's a lot of pressure on prosecutors and the government to make sure the extent of it isn't. Hey Judge! You know if you think about it... You're you know, you're suing me over something. I'm gonna get discovery and i'm going to say well boy i'm at it i'm gonna Get all your phone calls say they give me give me all because they have them Yeah Give me all your what websites the whole thing if I want to see your email once your website So let's see what you visited. I want to see your google before I forget interesting data point The professor he you know The professor works of course with his undergrads right and he has them all do they all the experiments

1:46:42 They all were super happy to give him emails, tweets letters anything to analyze. When he said hey I'd like to analyze your search history everyone went oh no uh well uh... No one wanted to give him that? No! Everybody's got sketchy stuff in their searches history Yeah exactly Exactly And the NSA has it all or Omniture Adobe whoever has it all Somebody's gotta and by the way if you take any of that stuff out of context Woohoo Yeah, yeah We should do that. Shall I just read my you want to read your search history and all do mine You start to too many searches Really? Yeah III think it would be a wonderful Journey into the mind of John C Dvorak. Yeah, I would pay money for it actually how much

1:47:32 10 bucks the usual the usual Mortimer $1 I'll give you a fine one dollar so anyway, so here's what's gonna have to happen It's like it look almost a Red Book prediction. Oh which reminds me no great They're going to have to make this stuff, they're gonna have to do something legislatively To prevent abuse of all this data that the NSA is collecting I mean if i'm a lawyer. I'm going after that data on every case I do Can I? This almost brings me to a natural Segway into the snow job Snowden. I think I know where this is gonna come down All right once you go in that direction

1:48:15 Okay, and well I just want to make sure we will come back eventually to this document There's a new player on the scene in the snow job Now there's a lot going on And and i'm happy to talk about The bull crap flyovers that the Bolivian president wasn't allowed to fly and I can I can debunk all of that But the new guy on the scene now remember his dad came out Snowden's dad came out and said oh What are you? This guy is not even his dad. I don't know who this guy is He has brought in a lawyer and this is very interesting. The lawyer that Lonnie has brought in is Bruce Fine. Now, Bruce Fine... This is no slouch! He's part of Lickfield & Associates. Have you ever heard about this outfit?

1:49:04 Yeah, I have as a matter of fact. This is this is a huge huge old-school law firm their offices are at Lickfield Cathedral This this is an unbelievable group what in what Context if you heard of Lickfield and associates sir there's just a big giant firm Right now if you look at their mission statement, and you can find it lickfield group org Are you spelling Lickfield Lima India Charlie Hotel Foxtrot India echo Lima Delta? Lick field Group Org Enduring statement of mission of the lick field group by resolution feeding the world's hungry and preventing global hunger Yeah Okay. I know a lot of lawyers whose mission statement is that

1:49:57 Whereas the Lickfield Group is an independent, neutral and impartial organization whose humanitarian mission is to provide food and aid to those in need... ...and supply them with assistance in establishing and ultimately maintaining their own self-sustainability. Blah blah blah! We're like the International Red Cross they say? No no no no no no What's going to happen is we're going to have WikiLeaks on one side And of course, now that Mastercard has said oh yeah we're gonna allow... We're gonna let Wikileaks process credit cards again. Well how coincidental is that at this moment in time? And why such a change of heart I wonder

1:50:42 You know, I... we may have... this is not the company that i was thinking of by the way. But I think we've discussed this group before and if I'm not mistaken they're out of the... from like the Oxfam category over in England? Well it's also they got big Israeli money behind them This is a huge DC... like I guess you call Neo-Con or... These guys have been around and they are going to make some kind of huge trouble Because I think Snowden will come back, I think he's gonna give himself up but only under some kind of deal and we're going to have some kind of lawsuit. And i'm not sure exactly what... This guy is not you know.. You can't retain this guy! If your Lonnie Hi I'm Lonnie, I'm Edward Snowdens dad? Yeah hi Bruce, I want to retain you No that's not how it works

1:51:41 These guys are based in Geneva. Yeah, that's who I called something big is going down here and i think it has everything to do with With putting the screws to probably this administration as what I'm guessing well everything that we've seen over the last When it first began when they started and we said it a couple times. They're piling on Obama Yep, big and they are there is relentless in it We decided I believed the two of us that about a month ago went It had already begun and now we started, it was like we have a shot at getting rid of him now or never. And so it's been relentless, relentless, relentless and I don't see that they figure...I think somebody did a psychological profile on them the woman side of them I guess figuring he is going to crack

1:52:37 Let me let me give you a little more extra or let me give the the producers of the show a little more extra data So we had this Bolivian Incident and and this was essentially to set up to rile up all of South America. Let me play This is about a minute-and-a-half We have Bolivia Venezuela Argentina, by the way, the Venezuelan president what he's got it like a like a Devo safety dance hat on. This is very interesting outfit he's wearing and these are them speaking and translations, it's little compilation of what they're saying about the President and the United States of America. If necessary we will close the US Embassy in Bolivia

1:53:28 We do not need the US Embassy. We don't need this pretext of cooperation and diplomatic relations when they come to conspire from within and from outside The U.S. Ambassador to Bolivia is gone The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration is gone Surely, the CIA is infiltrated all over the place And now we go to Venezuela? My hand would not tremble to shut down the U.S. Embassy We have dignity, we have sovereignty. Without America we are better off politically and democratically." That was still Bolivia now it's Venezuela. The ones who gave the order to the authorities in these countries and said Jung Snowden was on a plane with CIA. According to what has happened in Europe the CIA is more powerful than governments so he's in charge of Europe

1:54:27 the European governments and their people, or the CIA? You president of Bolivia were held hostage for 13 hours. And now they're trying to explain all this saying it was due to technical problems or fuel problems Okay, so that was the three South American countries in a row and very interesting how they're talking about the CIA being infiltrated How America is shit? You know and by the way to the chat room. You're absolutely right Devo did not do safety dance there was men without hats And because that's the only thing you care about I'm logging off of the chat room cuz your idiots you're nice It's it's the only fact they can pick up on

1:55:12 So I mean, I just logged out. How stupid are you? Oh, it was me with that hat! Alright... So there's clearly, and this is all Russian based. Putin is sitting there laughing at this because... Oh no, Putin's having the time of his life. That wouldn't be surprising if Putin's group didn't make themselves look like the CIA pulling this off. Well let me tell you what happened so the Bolivian president had just had a meeting in Moscow he's flying back from Moscow where they have a five billion dollar deal with Gazprom which is Putin They know what side of the bread is buttered

1:55:49 this whole like oh they were for you, they were not allowed to cross. They were forced to land well here is the and if you look on the map they tried to land in Portugal for fueling at Portugal Faro Airport I believe could not take them for technical reasons which is highly possible that they had to divert but if you look at the map and then circle around they go to Austria This is the tail number, Fox Alpha Bravo 001. And I'm going to let you in on a little bit of pilot humor here as you listen to this force landing in Austria! Control, good evening, Fox Alpha Bravo 001. Fox Alpha Bravo 001, good evening. Information WISKEY, expect ILS runway 16.

1:56:35 Okay, so that's the tower saying good evening. How you doing information whiskey which this is That's the the current weather and atmospheric conditions expect this runway how are you doing? Do you need any assistance So this is the Austrian flight controller saying hey, do you guys need any assistance when you land? You know because we know that your presidential plan. Do you need anything? Anything we can do ice cream, twizzlers or anything we can get for ya? Okay

1:57:23 Now let me tell you a little bit of pilot humor. So what he said is, no no we don't need assistance We need to land because we cannot get a correct indication of our fuel level Therefore we need to land as a precautionary measure This is a 47 million dollar jet Which this is not like your fuel gauge in your car And it's not just one fuel gauge, there is multiple fuel gauges, fuel pressure and flow. This is very rare in fact there are two things pilots use when they want to make an unscheduled landing because this was an unscheduled landing probably because Putin said alright here's what we're going to do first I'm gonna say that Anna Chapman wants to marry Snowden that'll piss everybody off then I want you guys to pretend like your being forced down

1:58:14 But he's not. He is requested to land and the two things, if you need to make an unscheduled stop or some change that is not a part of your flight plan the 2 things you use are 1, oh man there's something wrong with the fuel we don't know because... he didn't declare an emergency you see Declaring an emergency is a whole different level. He said no, no as a precautionary measure We might have something wrong with the fuel we want to land The other one which he used in smaller aircraft and every pilot will know this you say oh yeah? We have passenger who's sick in other words that you know that when you got someone puking in your cockpit And you want to land and you just want to get him out because it smells of puke and you want to stop and though they're both usually lies Because you just want to convert to a different flight plan, you want to land somewhere. You were too lazy to file etc... So this does not jive with they were not allowed to enter airspace They did it made an unscheduled stop and it was their request And it was a lie that brought him down

1:59:10 But this whole thing, South America is... I think what Putin is doing saying okay you want to surround everything here? You want all your rockets. You want to put everything here. You wanted in Syria. You got your stuff in Poland. You got all of North Africa How about get South America! All I'm waiting for now was for Mexico To start saying something to us that we have to put the red book Mexico next Mexico Mexico next This is Cold War And I think, did you hear Bolivia Venezuela and Argentina? It's like all of South America is an uproar. Well i think the Russians pretty much have deals with all of those countries No it's becoming quite funny

1:59:55 To us. Now what was the point or do you think that this was Bogative where they came in and searched the plane for supposedly for Snowden but maybe they just continued with the ruse and had look if they really had a fuel indicator problem then it can take quite awhile to get someone out who knows this Trident jet, and knows how to look at the fuel indicator, you kind of have to keep the ruse going whatever but they asked if they needed assistance this is not a forced landing, this is not like someone checking... This is all all a lie. None of it is true none of it

2:00:33 There is no evidence other than news reports. I would say that the analysis is interesting because if you listen to the State Department, they were jumping all over it was Jen who was the spokeswoman. Do we have other clips of her? I've listened to her a couple times and I can't believe that the press corps doesn't shoot her! Yeah, no she is condescending. Oh she's much worse than our other girl in Newland yeah She is so condescending I don't have these clips because I was just didn't produce them I may put them together later because it takes a little production She has especially to Matt Lee who's our favorite guy? He was our guy he's our guy Matt yeah Matt and so Matt from AP I think I have the same thing on her constantly and she's always going she's like big nurse And they one flew over the cuckoo's nest

2:01:19 Oh well Matt, I know you'd like to think that way. It's not the facts and we're not going to talk that way are we Matt? And Matt is also always saying like well before you say the fluid is...the situation is fluid and we don't address it. He's always giving her crap about her bullcrap It's hilarious, but I haven't been able to find enough to clip from it you clearly got saying that oh well You know we can't talk essentially as a clipper for saying We can't talk about anything right? But they got on the case about this About this plane and all the crap that went on she seemed she seemed as though. She was either a

2:01:54 unaware from your perspective of what you say is true or what your thesis, say your thesis. The data I have shows... She does not have any of this at all. You mean that you're taking one side over the other? Go ahead! Did the US have any role in encouraging Western European countries to block the flight of the Libyan president yesterday was there any communication between the U.S and those countries Well, as you know because we've talked about it quite a bit in here the US has been in touch... The United States I should say officials have been in touch with a broad range of countries over the course of... What was that about? She says ah a lot. No no but she said something else she says the U.S., or I mean the United States I should say. Why is that? Yeah I heard that and tried to analyze this since the US and since the United States official

2:02:48 I do not know. Okay, that was weird. You will not get it. That was weird. And those countries... Well as you know because we've talked about it quite a bit in here the US has been in touch the United States officials have been in touch with a broad range of countries over the course of the last 10 days And we haven't, I haven't listed those countries. I'm certainly not going to do that today. Our position on Mr Snowden has also been crystal clear in terms of what we want to happen and that message has been communicated both publicly and privately in a range of these conversations we've had with countries. Let me just repeat he's been accused of leaking classified information He's been charged with three felony counts

2:03:38 and should be returned to the United States. I don't know that any country doesn't think that is what the United States would like to happen. The public, many of the public decisions made You know, over the course of the last week or so whether they're public comments about whether or not they'll accept asylum as an asylum request. Or whether it's closing airspace are decisions made by individual countries and I would point you to them too To describe why they made decisions if they made decisions And I know there have already been a range of public comments out there

2:04:16 There's been a great deal of criticism though from Latin American leaders about the decision, not least because Snowden doesn't appear to have been on board. You don't sound like you're denying that there were conversations about this? I mean they...a number of Latin American leaders today have specifically criticized the US for intervening in a diplomatic flight Are you, are you am I right in understanding that your not denying there were conversations about that? I'm no going to get into diplomatic conversations that happened over the past 10 days and which countries they were with but i would point you to the countries uh... that your referring too and ask you to ask them about decisions that were made. And I just got a little extra new piece of information in

2:05:00 the aircraft also made a refueling stop at Las Palmas Airport, which I think is Canary Islands where they only took on 3100 kilos of fuel. Which is about 1 third you know just about enough to run out or to refuel somewhere else this thing and by the way that clip which I had saw that whole piece I was thinking about it I realized it's better when She's so funny. I just get the biggest kick because she has a look! You have to kind of see the face when she does it, to really make out... No actually if you just listen to her audio is a lot different than if you watch her. Because its like this, its like you idiots.... I don't know, she is very Hillary style. Yes. Well of course. I think she was obviously hired by Hillary during that era. We should look into her background, I have not done that.

2:05:56 Because you know Victoria moved on right she's up. She's now she's on the plane She flies with Carrie, and she's you know she's a muckety-muck now Which of course? She wants to be because she is in the elitist circle with her husband there But this whole thing is And you can hear her Really having nothing to say about it There was no call There's nothing went out. It is theater, it is one big theater I'm telling you, I don't think she had a clue that she was included No no, she has no idea because it didn't happen that way! And we need to find out where did this come from first? Who was the first to report this atrocity

2:06:42 I'm pretty sure it came from sources RT. Yeah, exactly Rt made the first clip I saw that was on our team yeah, I'm telling you these guys are making fools of our people Yeah well there's two things you can do a shut RT down Get them off or be what? I would do or B hire the curry Dvorak consulting group and give us a channel to Give us MSNBC. I think what you want to do is create a... I don't know, yeah MSNBC would be good. Please! We could be great with that. You gotta get rid of some of these guys like Schultz. That guy he's not doing anybody a favor. It's okay to spy on the American public because terrorists are involved

2:07:31 I mean he doesn't even know what the right way to go. And the funny thing in all, in the midst of all this is... They just go after the Russians The New York Times for some reason they got left out. I'm not quite sure why but The New York Times didn't get a seat at this table for this grand game you know this whole uh... the leaking of the documents and they're just not apart of it In fact there's a pretty good article in the Times about the FISA court, the Foreign Intelligence Service Act courts and how they've created this huge body of legislation that actually enables under these special circumstances clause enables this type of large surveillance. And it is the same clause that is used for

2:08:20 Sobriety checkpoints for airport security and what you're seeing is near the so-called slippery slope, you know It's mud and we're down. We're headed on the way down And there's no stopping it because we allowed all this to happen even though lots of people are saying hey Hey don't do this The rest of the fools are like I want to be safe and we're only getting more of that We're only getting more of the yeah, I agree and this is and maybe I should just finish with with a document that Professor Russell get professor Russ gave to me because I put this in the show notes And this is something you have to see to believe In 1987 so Russ isn't one of our dinner group. And we were talking about what is you know? It was part of the manipulation thing

2:09:09 Like you know people get freaked out about all the wrong things and you're probably worried that you're gonna get shot by some White psycho in the shopping mall or the movies where really the likelihood of that is less than getting struck by lightning You have more chance of dying by driving home tonight, etc And of course, you know this this becomes a conversation and there was an email thread the next day. I And Russ sends, because he's a brain scientist so they he knows all the research on this stuff and let me just find the actual document here. There's a very famous study that was done and this type of research is done by you know it's federally funded

2:09:53 A lot of research is done by the, what do you call it? The National Institutes of Mental Health. What else do you have John? National Science Foundation. Yeah the Army. The Army and the intelligence agencies. DARPA does a lot of this. So he gives me the document... I'm just scrolling Little oh, I see what you're up to yeah. I can't find it. I'm fine like John help me out here Could you talk for a minute? And then I think you know brown is a pretty color if you really dump the The research was done by a guy named Slovic slovic and That's the name. I'm looking for right fuck This is horrible. I can't believe I lost fucking document yep

2:10:46 Yes, I said it. I'm sorry. It makes you more believable Yeah well believe me that i lost this document uh... I might have to come back to it otherwise and just run around like an idiot because I marked it up anyway in 1987 they did a survey and was done it was given to the government and given with the express notion of, hey wow the American people are afraid about really stupid things that aren't really all that dangerous and you should adjust your uh... the way you legislate to let people know that they're worried about all the wrong things. I look at this document 1987. You'd look at it in just the opposite way? Yes, 1987! Yeah yeah I would do the same thing let me guess what you're gonna say hmm The document comes and says oh this is what they're afraid of let's milk it And its top-of-the list nuclear energy At that point in time Top Of The List was... and of course it's segregated by women and students etc Top Of The List was private aviation

2:11:49 people on small airplanes, all of this stuff. And it goes into a level of how your brain works and it turns out that people are more afraid of events and I'm looking for a word because its going to be show title they're more afraid of events that actually have no real victims but that shows the failure typically technological failure that if that happens, thousands of people could die. And that's of course what nuclear energy is so the event doesn't actually... not a lot of people die or hurt or if anything at all happens but it gives you the idea that if the government doesn't fix this technology, fixed legislation technology is a big one in this by the way then it could have catastrophic results

2:12:46 It's probably why they're milking the cyber terrorism. Exactly! This thing is like a joke, this was essentially unfortunately everybody forgets about this...this is no worse than Y2K Same thing and Y2K if this was the study was done before Y2K otherwise it would have been perfect for it. Perfect And why 2k the biggest fiasco ever? Oh, I have it. Huh my goodness all this time I was looking for the dog is the shows over. I know what can I say okay? I just okay and it's one of these he got it from what's the thing that they killed Aaron Schwartz for J store So they kill people over talking about documents like this The zero risks here it is This is the

2:13:33 These perceptions and the opposition to technology that accompanies them have puzzled and frustrated industrials and regulators, and have led numerous observers to argue that the American public's apparent pursuit of a quote zero-risk society threatens the nation's political and economic stability." Which is if I read that right you go like no this is perfect how do you want me to like control people? It's exactly what we want. New evidence appears reliable and informative if it is consistent with one's initial beliefs. Contrary evidence tends to be dismissed as unreliable, this is kind of the basis of conspiracy theories, erroneous or unrepresentative." So it kind of is a reverse of conspiracy theories that shows the government how to help people get on board with some agenda

2:14:25 And then it goes into the Three Mile Island nuclear reactor in 79 provides a dramatic demonstration that factors besides injury, death and property damage impose serious costs. Despite the fact that not a single person died and few if any latent cancer fatalities are expected No other accident in our history has produced such costly social impacts The accident at Three Mile Island devastated the utility that owned an operated. Yeah, it all don't forget the movie Which came out in Fonda which came out 12 days before that happened yeah well there you go And so goes on now now I want to give you the meat of it Although TMI through my island

2:15:05 Accident is extreme, it is by no means unique. Other recent events resulting in enormous higher-order impacts include the chemical manufacturing accidents at Bhopal India, the pollution of Love Canal New York, The Times Beach Missouri, disasters launch of the space shuttle Challenger, meltdown of nuclear reactor Chernobyl etc., etc... And here it is an important concept that has emerged from these psychometric research Is that the seriousness and higher order impacts of unfortunate event redetermined in part by what that event signals or portends. The informativeness, or signal potential of an event is thus its potential social impact appears to be systematically related to characteristics of the hazard and the location of the event with a factor space described earlier. An accident that takes many lives may produce relatively little social disturbance

2:16:03 if it occurs as part of a familiar and well understood system like a train wreck. However, a small accident in an unfamiliar system such as nuclear reactor or recombinant DNA laboratory may have immense social consequences if it is perceived as a harbinger of further and possibly catastrophic mishaps." That is your cyber war right there! No one dies But you could say, oh I mean you really don't understand this. We should just quit the show and go do a cyber war company There's so much money in that maybe we should do both! I think we could do it part-time So here is the clip that relates to that clip which i thought was interesting again on C-SPAN watching these two guys who wrote

2:16:52 balance is on book TV. And they're talking about the economies of the various countries and how we can get out of this mess were in, why we need a balanced budget but it has to be balanced in certain way because we have emergency situations but then they drop this one in, manufactured crisis clip Times changes spurred by either a crisis in this country or good when our backs against the wall and other times technology advancements help. How do you see those two playing a role in your view of the future? It's great point, where the country has risen to great challenges have been economic crises wars one of the reasons we were for the rule changes

2:17:34 is if I can be really candid, to almost manufacture a crisis. Politicians have very difficult times in dealing with long-term present value issues they need a crisis in the here and now and we may have to manufacture that because if we don't the problem is as with other great powers over time our ability to do all of things that American people today take for granted will simply diminish Exactly And so these papers help. And so I sent this back to Russ, and went oh my god! This is 87. Cable television was just starting. CNN had been around for a couple of years but everyone had big 40 channel basic cable. We had cell phones which were the size of VHS cassettes. Hello? VHS cassettes what am i even talking about? The internet was ping finger and gopher

2:18:33 Can you imagine that this is and when this was starting? This is a bonanza So I said he's now he's gonna look for us and see if there's been any updated research But he says this is a paper That was landmark at the time and it's constantly referred to in the scientific community And so he said there may be there may be something new But he'll find it for us if there's been new research. But this is basically what everything started on, and if you correlate that back to 87 I mean look at all the things that have happened since then! Look at all the fantastic manufactured crises we've had including your Y2K example. Yeah a lot of money was spent on that Y2k thing. Yeah! I'm gonna show my support by donating to KnowAgenda Imagine all the people who could do that Oh yeah they'd be fab

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2:25:30 Why would we? Really, really. Eww stinky you gave me crap this guy Adam Curry on the Twitter I did. I do. I don't want to hear your crazy analysises! Oh, is that what i said? Or did I say stop with the amateur analysis? Yeah, same thing. The tail did not fall off Shut up slave is what you followed there. I didn't say shut up slave You said the tail fell off. I said no it didn't fall off. I never said it fell off. It says it could have fallen off. Ah, its not what you said. AH! AH! AH! That's not what you said That's not what you said. I never said the tail fell off! That is exactly what you said No, no, no, no You can't read tweets Okay shall i read it to you? Alright Yeah, now im reading it to ya now See your the guy that always so... By the way your artwork is beautiful on your twitter What is that? Is that Van Gogh? Pshhh..no its me

2:26:23 You did that? Yeah. That green thing? Yeah, it's Gray Marsh Farms. It's beautiful! How can I yell at you now? You're a sensitive man... I am probably be... yeah. No it was about the airplane and you said Yeah, and yeah guy sitting in the bathroom blew it up tail fell off. That's exactly what he said that made this up Okay um now you're gonna have to wait I will find it and yet You tweet a lot boy how annoying is that? It's how many followers do you have are you tweet them or followers you get I don't like blogging if you don't blog much nobody follows your blog ever keep looking I Don't I don't

2:27:12 Yeah, I'm gonna find these kids playing you do tweet a lot of nonsense Any nonsense yeah my some of this stuff that seems like nonsense is just me Responding to someone you have to read those hey by the way You know when they mentioned earlier in the show the guy who did They mention that Chinese version of Twitter and then we showed it was an English We should be members of this okay hold on a second so yeah. I'd found it And it was to Eve Connected and that's what I responded to. It wasn't even to you, and Eve Connected had... this was valid. They said it's only the six-week cycle if its terror related and you said how did the tail fall off? Is saying how did the tail fall off saying that the tail fell off

2:28:06 Yes, you said and you can rewind yes. Hey? Yes that's it Yeah You said the tail fell yes when you question how the tail fell off that means you believe the tail fell off Which is should be all which should be with two F's not one by the way whatever Very funny, guess my spelling. Yes he hates that. I'm gonna delete that one And then i said all i said was please stop with the amateur analysis The tail did not fall off and then you came back There's no tail on it! It fell off No it did not fall off it was chopped off It wasn't chopped off, it was banged and fell off. No! It did not fall off and then you come back and say... It's not on there because if its not on there then it has fallen off. Falling of is different than being chopped off

2:28:54 It wasn't chopped off, there was no big knife out of the sky chopping it off. No! It fell...it was off the plane. It got chopped off by the seawall. It must have fell on...if I know. It was chopped off by the seawall and then you come back and say this is Twitter not a place for your shut up slave invectives which meant i had to go to the dictionary to look up the word invective Which means, which is why you use the word. Which means insulting or whatever and I didn't insult you and then I said categorizing amateurish and grossly inaccurate conjecture is hardly invective!

2:29:32 The tail did not... Oh, I didn't even got that tweet. I'd have given up on this conversation already! The tail did not fall off? No no there was a tail on there yeah sure it didn't fall off it was chopped off Regardless It did prove the point that Twitter is nothing but a big global schoolyard of people just... Not as bad as Google Plus No and I loved your article by the way love the PC Magazine which I think was Google Plus blows chunks Was that title of it? That was close Then I got some guys on Google Plus just as usual come out, hey the bar is full of crap. He says where else how can Google Plus be dead? Where else can i post a picture of Robert... this what the guy said you didn't say it was dead by the way no I never said was that he thought it was a loser yeah he's where else can I post a picture of Robert Scoble with a caption and get 500 page views and I of

2:30:27 500,000 pages. Bots? Well besides the bots but my comment was if that's true this thing is worse off than I thought exactly who wants to be a part of that let me be apart of a picture Robert Scoble getting five hundred million views 5 billion I just don't like Google Plus. It's just annoying, it's Twitter on steroids. Take this now if you go and look all the people that have been at these dinner parties especially the women if they have Twitter accounts these are highly educated sophisticated very respectable women they get on twitter

2:31:15 You Republicans suck! Sarah Palin, you're dumb. It is literally that I'm not making these words up like you are an intelligent woman and you're sitting on Twitter going you Republicans are just lame it's like your on the schoolyard yelling to the other side what is this behavior? What is it we are all still six years old You and I would do the same thing yeah, it's six why no okay? We got to finish up the dinner you never finished it well I get one of them did the show yes hold on John. I have like 20 things I gotta Do one is borac dot org slash and trying to play that for the fast past 10 minutes and Yeah, I got like birthdays

2:32:10 It's your birthday, birthday. You know all kinds of important stuff. Oh no I can't get over it. Evelyn Bezelis says happy birthday to her hubby Diego Medina who celebrates today that being July 7 in the year of our Lord 2013. Catriona Scott Congratulations to her other half who turns 33 today. And celebrating tomorrow, the lovely and talented Miss Mickey will be celebrating her birthday so that should be a fun day! Happy Birthday to all of you from your buddies and lovers here at The No Agenda Show Then we have a couple titles sir, dr. Sharkey now becomes baron sir Dr. Sharkey protector of the Great Smoky Mountains and Sir Mark Dytham becomes the Baron of Tokyo and Dame Astrid which I don't know why it's not on here. I'm putting it on right now Astrid becomes the Viscountess of

2:33:07 Is that how you pronounce it? Viscountess? Yeah, the viscountess. The viscountess of Tokyo What does she get to do as a... as a... as a... uh... Viscountess is there some special- She can execute anyone at her own will Just like the Brits She can execute anyone at her beckon At her beck and call And we have a... Oh, this is very nice. We have a knight and we have one or two let me see. We have knighting to do so let's grab the swords here John if you can grab your sword there that will be perfect. John Reichert! Or I think it'll be Reichard. What do you think it'll be?

2:33:51 R.I.C.H.D.R.T.E.R. I'll take Reichert's later. John, would you please step forward because you have contributed to the best podcast in the universe with an amount of $1,000 or more so we hereby pronounce thee Sir John Neumann! Night of the no-entertainment table and for you I have reserved hookers and blow red poison Chardonnay hot pants and booze long hair heavy metal guys in Scotch went to the beer Ruben s women are rosé gushes and sake vodka vanilla bong hits and bourbon sparkling cider and escorts at mutton and mead Right here at the table that is round with all of our knights and dames. And of course along with this comes a Certificate, and you should be receiving that at some point. I have a point of business of announcement

2:34:34 No Agenda Show would like to announce that Eric DeShill has taken over the delivery and customer service regarding the rings. That means rings are really coming. So make sure you send your note to a no rings at NoahGeneration.com and I might add, a lot of the people that didn't get rings Mimi gave up finally she says guy who says he said what's your ring sizes is i don't know she wants to find out because I don't care it just became this kind of you know she couldn't get information but she's not like Eric

2:35:14 a born, somebody should just hire him for like $250,000 to manage the customer relations. He could run Amazon. He actually wrote a customer relations management package! Yeah he's extremely good at it yeah I mean he's in amongst the family and annoying but when it comes to customers... Somebody please hire him can I give an outsider view? He is fantastic when it comes to this kind of stuff. And getting things done and, you know I'm horrible when he's like you gotta sign this or approve this or whatever and he's very good at coming back at it and asking and never annoyed or whatever never annoying and eventually I'll do whatever he wants me to do

2:36:02 For some reason, within the family this is nightmarish. I just see it happen like wow! You guys all you guys it's funny the Dvorak family is funny We're hilarious. You think we're funny? Yeah, you are a C-Count. So Eric is back in charge of this and he will catch up to all the back stuff but send him a note. Rings at noagendanation dot com and if you got a ring that you need because just got your knighthood or something you just send him the mailing address which if you have a title... to put the form together and it'll all be taken care of. Yes, and he's also working on the special 33 bags... All kinds of stuff! It is good to have him back in the saddle we're very happy but also if you do have a position to run entire customer service at Amazon or eBay or something like that yeah this is the guy I need to hire. I would be very sad

2:36:59 Because no we'd be screwed yeah, but he's probably still doing on a Sunday. I Don't know he's busy. He likes to stay busy and so in shape or form Hey, so I did kind of I'd kind of finished out the dinner. I mean I had I hit everything right? What did you eat Oh everybody say today all drink where they're bunches luscious were they just circumspect because they didn't want to get outed on the show for drinking too much? Oh no, very interesting. So first of all it started you know Lori who's an artist she has a 3D printer now and we all had to wait for her 3d printed napkin rings to be completed before we could eat She was making 3d printing napkin rings Yeah well that's what I've thought about getting a 3-D printer That's what i end up doing! I don't need more napkins

2:37:49 What do you make napkin ring? Okay, great Now she lowered the bar. She says she lowered the bar because it's my turn next And she made gourmet hamburgers. Oh She lowered the bar that was her excuse because you're next and she figures you like a lousy cook She didn't say because I'm next but she said I'm lowering the bar Because she didn't want this thing to turn into now, this is a very interesting group I mean we none of us agrees on anything but yet it's a safe environment where we all can go nuts It's hard to find that And with the knowledge, because Lori actually said to Pennebaker... Oh by the way everything you say is going to be in the podcast. In case we forgot to notify you everything you say is on Adam's show tomorrow I'm sure there are a few things that you've left out Well they deserve it now because Russ and Lori are getting interviewed by NPR so now they're celebraties So now their fair game

2:38:55 I think. I take everybody's fair game if they show up with you! Yeah, so the Pennebakers... Lovely and i don't know if they're going to be in the core group but this was at the end there because we did have two vodka drinks some not champagne what do you call it Prosecco? Do they know that you really can't drink? I'm you know what, i have to admit. I am very careful during these dinners because I need to record in my head. I can't be like writing stuff down or talking into the microphone. But Mickey is actually she's hardcore during these dinners because she's the one that says

2:39:39 I have a gun. I love my gun! Or during the abortion debate, Mickey's like you know, I got a problem with this abortion thing. I was like yes! She's great. You know, she is like just you know did you got a fire? Here's Mickey Oh look I have a can of gasoline and i'm just gonna throw it right on top And it's fantastic because she she can lay into people like anybody and I just sat back and like okay This is good. I'm gonna watch this one take place It's nice to see these different opinions and I did get a beautiful email from one who was the wine

2:40:25 We had, uh... I don't remember. It was- yes i do it was a mmm no I don't remember what it was. It wasn't there was a local wine we have good wine here in Texas or pretty good one I think I John, I don't remember why did you have to record this now? No. I'm just wondering I started my I think it was a interesting group of people and very high-end Austin kind of toy hoity toys Yes, we probably roll out some Latour or something no like like our like our architects do know We don't have literally casually they bring Six liter bottle of little tour that week. I don't think anyone at this dinner has little tour money

2:41:03 This is intellectual hoity-toity university people. They do okay, we're not super rich We're not for sure. Drink good wine? Latour you do $6,000 bottle of Latour. Yeah! But that's a 6 liter special bottle that is really old I mean this is different than you know yeah I would say Latour is out because of the Chinese by the way. I'd say that. I've gotten Latours as cheap as 50 bucks a bottle. Well now I would serve that if I had it But you know, there's good similarly good wine. Okay well I'm next. I'm sorry this is a distraction and gonna stop talking about it. It's alright so what I did get a beautiful email from one of the women at the dinner saying hey you know we feel so fortunate that we can have dinner with friends who don't necessarily have the same opinion because every other place we go everyone set talks an all nods in agreement

2:42:04 It's boring. Who needs that? Yeah, right! Exactly exactly so now you and I have... By the way i wouldn't say this but I've been in these situations because you know obviously my opinion is libertarian style and it has certain things when you get a group especially around the Bay Area where everyone's a democrat You get these groups they're all nodding like you say And then if you start bringing some of this stuff up you will have one or two of these people that will never speak to again ever like Ever again They'll avoid you like the plague yeah yep true I'm toxic but now you and I you my friend And I have to work on the dinner the next dinner because it's gonna be me we've done the double-dip Recession slave stew now. We have to do something You know I got a up my game Coco van hmm interesting, but you think that's the way to go cocoa man oh

2:42:57 Yeah, a lot of people haven't had it for awhile and when you have it's always a pleasant dish. Yes that is true okay but you know what I think would really do it for you in this group? Oryx! Where first we show a little movie of me killing the oryx and then skinning him. And then it still fuzzes with you holding his horn It's like here it is bon appetit baby Oh wow, okay. So that was the dinner It was very entertaining and educational I feel very fortunate that i can bring this information to y'all because we would not have known about this type of research We would not... there's a lot of stuff we wouldn't know so I hope to keep it all coming Do you think we should just briefly touch on Egypt before we go? Yeah we should, I'm trying to see if there is anything here they need The thing I have on Egypt

2:43:56 is that remember we were tracking ElBaradei and everyone was saying, oh well ElBaradei's gonna be prime minister. And they announced him in the media except they forgot to tell the Egyptian people because he's not prime minister and he's doing his best to pretend it's just hilarious! He's like...and he's doing interviews but everywhere today and this is Sunday Everyone's reporting, well maybe he's not exactly you know everyone not everybody agrees and this guy was just and he is from the International Crisis Group. This is a Soros guy yeah this is this is a guy who who essentially you know is it complete shill

2:44:42 and this revolution. There was another, this was kind of interesting I think this is along the same lines propaganda This is an Egyptian who showed up on YouTube with a message to President Obama Dear Mr. Obama I'm talking to you today on behalf of a lot of Egyptians who want deliver a message not only for you but for all American citizens Leave us alone All families in Egypt want to tell you this message Leave Egypt alone. Please, Mr Obama and stop supporting the terrorists Stop supporting the friends of Omar Abdel Rahman The terrorist who killed lots of Americans Stop supporting the allies of Ayman al-Zawahiri Of Pakistan, Taliban You are giving them full support by calling what's happening in Egypt

2:45:45 A military coup. It's not a military coup, it is revolution by civilized people, civilized Egyptians who are counted officially more than 30 million. Here is what I find interesting... Can I say something first? Please! Putin! Duh! The whole structure of what that guy said was totally Russian today. Yes. Bull crap And here's what I find interesting. Do you think that the American armed forces could ever do this in America? Where, oh well we'll just remove the government because the people want it? I think they had their shot with Smedley Butler back in the 30s with Roosevelt. The plot to get Roosevelt out of there and it was a big plot all Democrats by the way It was all the Democrat industrialists which is where most of the money is

2:46:46 decided, and people can look this up. Look up Smedley Butler but it was very close to coming off of him. Smedley Butler who was the business general at the time had decided given it a go ahead that would have happened too late now never happen It's called The Business Plot is what John is referring to And I think it was General Smedley Butler who said, all war is a racket. I think that was his quote. Right he wrote a little book on that. It's very small book but it says War Is A Racket. Did they say war or all war? War! I'm sure its just war. So anyway, so Butler nixed the whole thing and that was the end of it. It would have happened then we'd be screwed in that cycle I think that this particular situation in Egypt is has to wake up the military and Turkey because doing this constantly but of course Erdogan outflanked them But according to today's New York Times let me grab the front page Okay Oh can I um? Yeah you might as well Might as well hold on a second yeah where is

2:47:54 We haven't done this in a while actually Two more two headlines on the front page above the folder worth looking at they have the plane on fire of course one Of them, but which is not what I want to talk about but you should be at least know this in secret The court vastly broadens the power of NSA. Oh, this is what I was talking about! This is the whole New York Times article Yeah it's right there on the front page and the front page just below the burning plane

2:48:31 Morsey spurned deals seeking seeing the military as tamed because he had figured that he had decapitated the military knowing that they could pull a stunt like this and got relaxed. I think this is going on in Turkey right now It would make sense. And if they don't calm these, the Turks are irked or this is a situation where the middle class what's left of them and many of them do the elites are irked by the government in the way their handling things down there and they know how it could be done to help the easy way to just take over the place at the military start over

2:49:09 And I think it can't happen in this country, the United States. I don't see this happening ever." How do you take... It would be ridiculous we have a pretty strict system if it was a parliamentary system where somebody could stay in office forever would be a problem right? But there's a problem with Roosevelt staying in for four terms You still think that this is um..I mean I do either This is still a Russian slash Chinese plot what's happening in Egypt? Scott, the Chinese I think are just supporters. I don't think they're involved seriously from the intelligence side. I think it is totally a Russian deal though These Russians are sick and tired and I think they've been given to go ahead by our intelligence people Go ahead! Do whatever you want! The CIA in particular

2:50:02 Do-do-doo because the CIA is getting blamed for a lot of stuff. Yeah, it's like whatever Here is the here's the proof Chinese and Russian naval forces will be putting on a show of strength over the next week They're holding joint exercises in this is a new meme The show of strength show of force show of whatever you have Japan China state-run Shin Hwa News Agency reports The eight day drill will start Friday off Vladivostok in Russia's Far East The navies will use 18 ships including China's latest destroyer. They'll also have submarines and aircraft on hand for the live fire drills

2:50:40 Shinhwa quoted a top general with the Chinese People's Liberation Army as saying the exercises are designed to boost cooperation and capability. He said that two nations can play a positive role in regional security and stability. Yeah, patrolling Japan where we've got this is the whole thing is do we not why let me ask you this Why is this not being reported as a huge chilling Cold War? Why is this not being played up it seems like a beautiful script for For the for the news media. It's fun. It's great, but you know it's got all the elements You want in it I mean in fact

2:51:22 I don't really want them to do it because now we get to, we get to do it. We get to analyze the phony plane landings and we've got everyone yelling in South America...I mean, I love it! I love that you're leaving it all to us, but why are you leaving all that meat on the table? I don't know why they're leaving that meat on the table. And it is meat and in fact this whole Putin thing and my favorite thing was when he... Did you see Putin do his press conference about Snowden where he's saying for one thing he's got a smirk! Yeah, he's laughing! They kept showing pictures of these Putin bots kind of doing everything they can to keep from cracking up. Well, that's the whole thing

2:52:05 Putin says, yeah we will take Snowden in but we'd require really... We would be real strict about making sure he doesn't do any more of these revelations. Wink wink nudge nudge? You know, we don't like that because our great friends the United States of America this is an insult to them! We would have to put a stop to that. Yeah, we couldn't have any of that. And it's just so phony and his laughing eyes are twinkling He's just having a ball doing this stuff, because he's you know former KGB so he knows all these tricks. Oh yeah And I guess you know probably still runs the security mechanism i'm sure It's more like uh... Hey Glenn! Glenn it's Vlad hey hey yeah right You got any more of that powerpoint stuff man? This shit is hilarious brother Put some more out there Yeah oh yeah good excellent oh by the way i'm gonna call Lanny Ruffenstahl

2:53:02 You see that she's now publishing? What? Leni Rufenstahl. That's not her name. Laura Poitras. Oh, it was Laurie, yeah. The filmmaker... She is now reporting in Der Spiegel. So she is the one who got the half a million dollar payoff and she has put this report that she has seen internal documents which are not published about all the spying done on Germany These people are agents and Glenn Greenwald you want to have a laugh. Are you following his Twitter? No, not really Oh my god John I am following it but haven't seen anything You just have to go to his Twitter and just watch it update if he's pretty like yeah Edward really wrote that thing in wiki leaks He just has a problem with nouns I kid you not this is the stuff he's writing. He's defending

2:54:06 The Bogut of Snowden writing on WikiLeaks. Glenn Greenwald, is he a reporter or what is he? What is Glenn Greenwald? Well I don't know what Glenn Greenwald is but he's doing everything he can to stay in the public eye and do a book deal that's the way I see it But this is whats so stupid where-where's the book get it out already No no thats kind of surprising that somebody hasn't called him to do a book Maybe the payoff was just huge just to do all this crap I've got so much stuff we're gonna do have to pass on for Thursday. Let me see, I've been sitting on this Haiti report from the General Accounting and Oversight Office which is so damning and not a peep in the news So I can just hold onto that. I think I've had it for almost three weeks now It'll hold but you can imagine it's not good

2:55:02 I got that. A lot of the stuff we do on this show is not good, except for the show itself. There you go! I did get a lot of email about this one particular clip, The Los Angeles Show Of Force which i just wanted to replay this 15 second clip about the holidays being tied to terror events Which of course is less and less going to be this fact. It's not going to be the 4th of July But a lot of people pointed out several things in this in this particular piece of the clip as we're talking To some muckety-muck there in Los Angeles who was terrorizing citizens with

2:55:45 police officers in complete fatigues and camouflage combat gear with automatic full automatic rifles and night vision goggles and tanks. Yesterday federal authorities released a bulletin saying the country is on heightened alert. Anytime you have holiday it's something that you want to look at, the Boston bombing took place on Patriots Day The Times Square incident took place on Mayday Benghazi on 9-11. Okay, so here's the things that people emailed me and we are even learning how to listen better May Day is really quite a cultish celebration if you look into the occult parts of May Day

2:56:31 That is a very weird thing to say that oh, you know this took place on this celebration of occultism Yes mayday is living. It was a day of Labor celebration But if you look into the Maypole and all the stuff there's a lot going on but the funniest thing Is this guy calls 9-11 a holiday? That's pretty hilarious One of these days right It will be a holiday. Holy crap, how could we have missed that one? Yeah, geez well That's why it is the best podcast in the universe although We shall never receive an award for such it's because we have the best producers in the universe who support the program financially and with content And that includes my friends here in Austin who put up with me at their dinners But you should have a taster a taster yes somebody to taste your food

2:57:29 Alrighty, this is not a bad plan. Thank you for suggesting that Hi everybody, a little bit longer than normal but what can I tell you? There's just so much going on. We'll be back with you on Thursday thank you very much for your support of the program remember Dvorak dot org slash NA P.O box three three nine El Cerrito nine four five three zero California USA for your checks and other goodies and coming to you from the capital the drone star state here in Texas that is Austin at Travis Hyde hideout i'm Adam Curry in the morning And from northern Silicon Valley

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