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00:00 What is an artisan? They're guys who make pots. I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley the Mecca of something. I'm John C Dvorak Use your new moniker man, pretty good huh? The mecca of something great that's just great think that sucked

00:42 Yeah. A little bit. Okay, so it's warm out there you said earlier? Oh! Really?! It's horrible. What is warm? Is it 80? Is that what's warm for you? Yeah, 80 is hot for us because of the nature of the barometric pressure and the humidity and the variables. And we don't have any cooling mechanisms. You have no air conditioning right? That's your main problem yeah But that's okay. It's winding up, this will be hot for a few days and then generally speaking traditionally on July the 4th just before the fireworks yeah the fog rolls in That's right you can't see the fireworks I know we were in San Francisco for two July fours and it was like there is one building that has a party on the rooftop remember that? Yeah And you could just see pew

01:27 A couple of rockets just coming above the fog layer. That's very funny, that doesn't matter because I presume the city is just one big party right now have you not gone down to the district? Have you no hung out with the boys? Everyone must be going insane! And i'm sure they're all crediting the fact that it's a conservative supreme court I it's funny because notice that anyone said no no, no. No I saw some of my Obama bought friends you know their brain was getting scrambled like I Don't understand how is it possible what? How can the Republican guys do this? Yeah, man, I mean I spent so much time yesterday understanding what actually went down and for those of you who are

02:18 who are new to the program and I'm sure a lot of listeners from other countries probably only got the news in the following manner. Highest Court in America says gay marriage okay, I think that's probably the message exactly what they said but yeah but well no that's what the news is as I'm pretty sure that's what the news is yeah and that's how it's being accepted I don't think people understand the significance of what happened here. What is your take on this, John? As a gay man yourself...what is your take on it? It's time to celebrate! Run around in a circle waving your arms and yelling yay! Yay! There are a lot of things going on with this. This is the Defense of Marriage Act

03:17 And it is kind of... That was doomed. That we knew was gonna get chucked out, but they had the two things one was in California We had Proposition, which was the initiative that didn't allow gay marriage in California kept getting voting you think they kept You know this going to come up again because here's the way that thing went down to begin with some time back I can remember what the original proposition was but it voted Gay Marriage Out! You want gay marriage go someplace else And so everyone was, you know the gays were all irked about this but it everyone was nobody else didn't think much about. So they went to court and they did out some craziness and they got the thing thrown out and referendums and initiatives in California are really important we like the idea that we can just vote in a law

04:04 So there was a backlash against the backdoor removal of this initiative. And so they came up with Prop 8 and then they voted it in! And again, there's no gay marriage and I think that reason it got voted into the second time was because certain liberal elements of society were gloating about it being can't do nothing about now but one of the main ones was Gavin Newsom And so they voted it in again, and now it went to the Supreme Court. Now they got thrown out again because this is never going to end. Let me back up for a second because what you need to understand – and this is what I found – the process as a government legislation analyst is really kind of fun

04:50 So when you look at what exactly is the Doma, as it's called. I bet if you went on the street and asked people that 90% wouldn't even know what it stood for but they know... Around here they would say it's a stuffed grape leaf. And its tasty! DOMA, the Defense of Marriage Act by itself is it fits on one page. It fits on half a page actually and what it did is it added a number of paragraphs actually two specifically to the US law and kind of the rule book at the very beginning of our United States code. So that's all of the law, it has a number of definitions we talked about one on the previous show which is the definition of what a person is U S persons and so that's in there And it says you know a person is a company or corporation. You saw all the things that everyone always laughs about It actually says that they're

05:47 And the Defense of Marriage Act, which was signed into law in 1996 by President Bill Clinton has two additions to these definitions. One is paragraph 2 which shows up as I think paragraph 7 in the actual US Code says no state, territory or possession of the United States or Indian tribe shall be required to give effect to any public act record or judicial proceeding of any other state, territory, possession or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other state, territory possession or tribe or right or claim arising from such relationship. This has been left in place and was not ruled on by the Supreme Court and the way I understand that kind of long text is

06:39 No state has the right over any other state, which is kind of how it's supposed to work in our federalist system. Section 3 is the one that the Supreme Court has deemed unconstitutional and what that exactly means is what I'd like to talk about but let me read specifically section three And this happens a lot when judges, in fact most lawsuits are about the meaning of the word. This is why we love talking about words. We look up the definition of words all the time so the definition of marriage which you can find in many dictionaries and many dictionaries have different definitions In fact interesting that the Supreme Court did not reference any dictionaries in this case

07:22 The definition of marriage according to this was added as paragraph 7, an addendum the last definition before you get to the US Code. In determining the meaning of any act of Congress or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies in the United States, the word marriage means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife. And the word spouse refers to only a person who is a husband or wife." Here's what I find interesting. Everyone is jumping up and down celebrating saying, oh yes the Supreme Court has deemed this unconstitutional. Well so here is the key to me the key point and of course there are lots of other things that we need to talk about specifically when it comes to you know what defines marriage

08:16 But the Supreme Court didn't write a new law, a new phrase. They didn't say oh you know it can be one person of any gender they just said this is on or they voted and ruled this is unconstitutional And this is now, and this is what surprises me been taken by everyone as ah perfect done party I get to file joint taxes. And everyone's like loving the fact that now you know that they're being ruled over even more by the government but strangely enough aren't we supposed to isn't Congress in charge of doing this? Does the Supreme Court now decide who's in charge

08:59 Are they now, do they determine law? Well they are the oversight of the laws and yeah. They can do that, it's what they do. There are three parts of the government there is the judicial, executive and legislative and any one of them can create laws but the Supreme Court doesn't do it out of the blue. Right so now this... okay but don't they need to put because I've read both the dissent and what does it called the opinion and dissenting opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah Okay so as a bi-curious male here's my question Can I not now say that i am being discriminated against because I'm torn obviously and it is LGBT So I'm bisexual in the making I'm still bi curious but when I become bisexual do I then not have the right to be married both man and woman

09:58 I think there's another US code about bigamy, or not bigamy. Yeah, bigamy where you can't be married to two people at the same time. It is a different part of the law And let me ask you a specific question Why is that? Well, I've always been against it But I'm asking you a question why is the government involved in marriage at all? What are the benefits? A lot of people say that the government should be involved essentially licensing businesses so you know these relationships where you form a kind of joint operation. Yeah, we have companies with multiple shareholders between two people the churches are the only ones that really because it's kind of a religious thing to get married per se but I'm not interested in that

10:49 specific government has to make determine it because it's in their best interest they have some clue and some rigid rules about how they dole out there there a compensation when they you got somebody on a health care plan does your wife get part of it what if your wife is a guy and you're a guy that did this he gets part of it. It's a mess stay with me this is exactly what I want Did it become an incentive to be married and why has the government been sponsoring this? I mean, it's not about children because we don't have rules about how many... It is not China. There are no rules about how many kids you can or can't have The whole thing seems to me enslavement to me The whole concept Well, I think that what amounts too but what stems from is doling out benefits

11:43 Right if you are a slave yes, you have to get. You know that you get they got to give you food They gotta give you some bowl of porridge right and so that takes the form of health care in today's world because it's so its It's ridiculously expensive in the United States our greatest healthcare system which is complete scam mm-hmm Based you know because of the it's just a scam let's face it right and so they they this is the whole gay marriage thing to me has always been about benefits you know so they and here's the thing I see my my gay friends there they're extremely happy that now they can file jointly and in some cases that's very beneficial but i can just see that this will does not open up this it's going to go on forever now because why would you not have the right

12:36 to have a polyamorous marriage. I think that would be the next step and by the way there's you know the Mormons are, you know there is a lot of people who already kind of live that way and this has to be the next step because this is about discrimination of benefits and what difference does it make? Can I not have a great family with maybe Mickey wants two husbands And what is wrong about that? Let's just be really honest about the conversation. You can't say that that's not okay! You can't keep up, huh?

13:13 I was gonna extend the offer to you, but you just blew it now. It's all over. Yeah yeah good luck. So uh... But this is very interesting! You're talking to the choir here. I've always thought that again the problem is simple. Now let's say you are a guy who can maintain a relationship with five women. These Mormon guys have done it many of them and the women are happy because they don't have one guy hounding them all the time for sex There's one hottie in the group she takes care of. Let's just generalize for a moment here, yeah? Yeah it's fact. It is fact! So anyway, fact so let's say the guy has got seven wives and he's doing a good job with them He's managing this operation like a corporation and he's got like 40 kids right And now he goes to work for you know TSA and they gotta give benefits that like

14:03 wives and 40 kids? Do you know what that would cost them, the guys making 50 thousand a year be getting million dollars worth of benefits. They're not going to put up with this right right well the whole thing to me and I watched there were two sessions one well there were multiple things the president called some people from Air Force One it was pretty exciting it's a very joyous occasion but my bullshit detector went off so bad This has the defense of marriage act as I understand it has never really been about gay marriage It's always about who has the right to decide About gay marriage is that the states is at Congress or is it the Supreme Court? I believe that the state should have the full reign over that most of the analysis. I've seen say that the states still do and They did throw out the California deal so that can be but that can be reversed with another law, right

14:58 But there's something like 34 states that prohibit gay marriage and everyone says that that is still in play. You're still prohibited from gay marriage in these states, so I don't see anything has really changed The only reason for celebration in San Francisco is because again we've gone through this process where the specific law that was passed in California has been overturned Null and void so there was gonna go crazy getting married over it. You know this was the this was done on The Simpsons episode where's where they passed gay marriage and Homer started doing marriages and he was making money hand over fist. I'm thinking, geez this is the way to get with our low donations we can... Hey we're both licensed right? I'm licensed. A hundred bucks a pop! Universal Life Church we can do all kinds of marriages yeah but so you know and of course you get all kinds of extreme examples

15:51 Yes, this has always been about... The whole thing stems from a lawsuit which is kind of funny because There was a lawsuit and the woman's partner died, and this woman... I forget her name. Edwina. She had to pay $350,000 in taxes which she would not have had to pay if they'd been legally married. That's really what this is about let's not overlook that. Right! And i think that it was reasonably good idea for a lawsuit Yes! It's horrible you get screwed like that But what's interesting Everyone agreed, the administration agreed. You know everyone's like yeah that's no good that's no good That's not good but they took it in fact that's even what the dissenting document says Why is this case here? Everyone agrees why do we have to make a decision and I think Yeah they were a little irked by this Yeah And I think They sent most of it back down

16:50 But you need to, people need to understand that yeah we're really happy about this but what will it be next time that the Supreme Court just decides is going to be the law? That's what I think we need to be a little bit careful about. Eh. I'm not buying this! What do you mean you're not buying it?! Not worried about anything, its just the way it is. It's the way the system works, it has these elements I think it's over, you know, overplayed. I think everyone was a little too enthusiastic but you know they're just looking for an excuse to party That's really what it is It's just an excuse to party I don't know By the way so you said you got my clips and you said you've got the same clip And I can look at my clipless and tell you which one or two it is No You get one guess and one guess only Shot spotter No Oh! The spinning mummy

17:46 Yes. I was saving that for second half and we can't be doing that now, we can't be doing that. I do want to say that I wanna bring something up then apparently in today's show my theme is going to be questions the media supposed ask and none of them asked. Oh okay alright. So there is a play the clip, this is Crack me up when I heard this apparently because of Snowden al-qaeda is already changing the way it does business. Well, this is Happening I'm seeing one of the first reports from The Associated Press that goes into detail about how Al Qaeda specifically The group the group now kind of group in Yemen is already changing the way that they're operating Due to the information for the leaks there's a lot at play here ambassador. I'll write time for today Thank you so much. Oh thank you. That's nothing. That's nothing

18:37 Are you kidding me? Let's look at- I was gonna Well no, wait. No hold on Hold on! Let me bring out the waterhead for a second Now you know who i'm talking about John Fitzgerald, John Fitzgerald Kerry. Oh, okay Watermelon head what I see is an individual who threatened his country and put Americans at risk through the acts that he took People may die as a consequence of what this man did It is possible The United States will be attacked because terrorists may now know how to protect themselves in some way or another that they didn't know before

19:15 This is a very dangerous app. So don't use pal talk is basically the message here That was my punchline you stepped on it I'm sorry, I didn't know you had a punch line for my clip No, I had a punch that from Mike that which was the same as the punch time for your clothes I'm sorry, but it out tided change because this is bullcrap I mean, we got one week after this thing breaks and all of a sudden they're so on top of Al Qaeda making all these changes. Why don't they drone them if they know so much? And let me say...I have changed a behavior. Yes! I've disconnected certain computers from the network

19:51 You know I already run my own mail server and this of course is the definition of tyranny that the government Of the United States is not just placing upon us American citizens, but the entire world And a lot of people are worried. The Germans in fact are very worried about this They're the only ones actually saying anything about it But I am no longer carrying around a cell phone and of course there are some cases where I will need to travel on have a phone But I'm just using a Wi-Fi enabled device here at home and if i go out, I'll take a Wi-Fi thing. And If need to connect, I can. There's no...if you want to call me tough shit! You just..you can't call me. You can't text me. Umm....I just refuse to be listened too. I refuse to be tracked

20:34 And it's not even if they're doing in a real time. I just refuse to have a log of me where I am I'm just I'm just not gonna stand for up to anyway, mr. Curry lots of things to hide Lots of things to hide here's the here's the Germans This is the German minister. I think European Parliament member who? Who sounds pretty funny but he's right GCHQ is alleged to have tapped into fiber optic cables that carry international communications traffic. That's caused anger among some allies. Our concerns are that friends are spying on us and we want to know, is there a legal basis? This guy from Central Casting?! Are our friends spying on us? Check it out though this gets creepy! Um...are you spying on any Germans? Is there a judge involved?

21:26 But despite all the controversies and criticisms, today the Chancellor announced more money for the intelligence services including MI6 based here. And the Foreign Secretary in America gave a speech in which he defended their work Let us be clear about it In both our countries I love the performative let us be clear about it Intelligence take work takes place within a strong legal framework We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it In some countries, secret intelligence is used to control their people. In ours it only exists to protect their freedoms." You know so I heard this and i'm like if we just... He flubs that billiard ball guy? Yeah its the billiard ball guy! If we just take away the little flub in the beginning, if we slow him down about 5%, if we give him a little bit of echo and we put some you know maniacal music underneath them he's perfect

22:26 Intelligence work takes place within a strong legal framework. We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it In some countries, secret intelligence is used to control their people In ours it only exists to protect their freedoms Protect their freedoms I think the guys are winner Well that's clip of the day Really? It was produced though. I like it! You never produce anything. I'll take it, thank you very much. Now you made me a yeah up the ante on this producing thing! I spent at least 45... but I swear to God I heard the guy going like protect their freedoms or like holy crap and i slowed him down little bit put some echo on them like the guy music was good in the echo is ideal The guy is the guy is a total... Okay so good you got to play again

23:27 Wow, okay. I get that again. Whoa, I made oh my goodness here we go Intelligence work takes place within a strong legal framework We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it In some countries, secret intelligence is used to control their people. In ours it only exists to protect their freedoms. Protect their freedoms. Protect their freedoms. Protect their freedoms." And I was looking for the whole... It wasn't on C-SPAN? He said this somewhere in America and I couldn't find the clips. Only had what this to work with and I'm sure we can do more with him. That guy's such a creep! You think?!

24:10 It's super creepy. Super creepy! Yeah, that's a good one. Well it's all downhill from here folks. I hope you enjoyed that. Wow how fast we go from gay marriage to protect your freedoms and that's what its all about ladies and gentlemen just to protect your freedoms have no fear. This morning Miss Mickey and I were talking and said yeah I think the Unabomber was really right I come back, you know. I read his manifesto from time to time and it's... the fun one is the typed... there's a PDF of the typed up, you know, his actual typing because it gives a little more context how twisted his brain was but really? The guy was a genius who certified... Was he Harvard or Stanford? I think he was at Harvard

25:06 A friend of mine knew him and found it unbelievable that he'd become such a maniac because he said he was one the smartest people who's ever met in his life. Yeah And I guess something flipped Well, he saw the writing on the wall and of course you know Unabomber, he was bombing universities He was trying to stop people from buying into technology And this morning I was like, is it? Do we really benefited from all of this information and all the things we now know. I make less money! But I think the internet screwed us all it's just the way it goes but you know things happen things change what do you mean screwed us all I think it's screwed us I don't think our time has been spent

25:53 sucked away like with the Facebook addicts and all this kind of thing. And I don't notice that I'm better organized with all the computing power I have, in fact it's a mess in this room! And it just...I think we've been screwed. I think everything is cheapened. You can't Writers don't make as much money because everybody's a writer and they're all bloggers and some people are actually pretty talented at it Artists are making less money. Everybody's making less money except CEOs, and they're making way too much of course And they're gonna get screwed when if there's anything you know The public begins to riot put their heads on a stick which could happen I had it It's funny You say that I had a thought about the CEOs and and I was thinking this just may start in Silicon Valley If you look at

26:36 Let's look at the Snowden affair and by the way, what's with the mr. Snowden business? See we did a memo go out that everyone has to say mr. Snowden. Mr. Snowden. Mr. Snowden have you noticed this yeah I'm notice. I don't know what would I don't know what the deal is with that but maybe Maybe he was a hitman all along And maybe this is the beginning of going after the corporates, the dissenters. The ones who need to be reined in like hey, sure Be careful Google you know we can have slaves riot against you

27:15 There's all kinds of possibilities. You see the the ars technica stuff that came out about Snowden about they magically have an IRC chat log from when he was from 2006 I think gee, I wonder where they got that mm-hmm and yeah And he's well there's no I don't think there's any mention in the article where that comes from and he's freaking out about The CIA leaking stuff And he's like, well I would shoot those guys in the balls and there is all this really weird stuff. Of course he was NSA contractor so it seems like he may have flipped... There are so many parameters to this! The one thing that it definitely happening is we've been distracted away from the true issue

28:00 So, all we're talking about is you know... Is he in the Moscow Airport Hotel? Is he in China? Oh to watch these idiots go on and on. In fact I have a couple clips just to prove your point. Yeah please! That they are preoccupied with this bull crap and here's the let see We got a McCain clip, let's start with that. Okay always fun to hear our douchebag He'd been hiding out ever since admitting to leaking information on our government secret surveillance programs Snowden is wanted in the United States on charges of espionage Just yesterday we mentioned this on the show but just to remind you Russian President Vladimir Putin confirmed for the first time that Snowden is in a Moscow airport and he said he still...Snowden is still Can I ask a question?

28:42 Now, did you see him say this? No. Did you see a piece of paper? Did you see your representative? No. Or anything other than just the talking... There's a fact that McCain throws out that I've never heard either You'll hear it and it stands out like a sore thumb It is all bull crap In this transit area and hasn't gone through immigration so he's not in Russia Putin rejecting calls to extradite Snowden into the United States getting this reaction from Arizona Senator John McCain Did you notice the report first was that he wasn't in Russia? That's the classic old Soviet Union double speak. No, technically because he was in the lounge at the airport He is not technically in Russia This this is the kind of Cold War Old Soviet speak kinda behavior

29:34 has characterized Colonel Putin, colonel in the KGB for a long time. We just have refused to recognize it and we keep pushing that reset button and now maybe we'll wake up and have a realistic approach to our relations with Russia." What does he want us to do? Bomb them?" So Mr. Oil is in the back channel here telling me that he saw Putin on television and Putin was basically making a big joke out of it, like yeah yeah yeah he's in transit he's not here. Yeah well I mean these guys... Well this is the problem we have become The Laughing Stock! Well play The Bolton Clip if you want to hear The Laughing Stock Oh boy and let's tell everyone who Bolton is again

30:27 Bolton was our ex-US ambassador, who was considered a douchebag when he was running one of the departments in Washington DC and the government. But he gives really great speech about the 10th Amendment, on the right side of the argument but funny thing is in this situation he's on the wrong side of the argument and he's back to being a douche bag Joining us now, Ambassador John Bolton. Former U.S. ambassador to the UN and a Fox News contributor and he just admitted to us during break that he's been to the Moscow airport many times, Ambassador. And we keep on saying Edward Snowden is in this like it's some sort of legitimate place like oh he's just in the grocery store or who's this on the street? I mean what are we really talking about here

31:09 Well, the notion that because he hasn't gone through Russian customs somehow he's in a different place than the country called Russia is utterly ridiculous. And what makes it so insulting is Putin as a lawyer knows its ridiculous Snowden came under Russian jurisdiction when his airplane crossed into Russian airspace. Russian security officials could have opened the cabin door and pulled him off the plane and arrested him. They should have kicked them out in the air before they landed! Yeah, or they could've shot him right? Why didn't Bolton just take it to the limit?! They could've gone in there and shot him like I'd like to see! Hold on... Can I just give you a quick translation of exactly what Putin said on television? Mr. Oyl gave it to me

31:49 I prefer not to deal with this issue at all. It's like shearing a pig, too much squealing not enough wool." That mofo is deep ain't he? Nobody has brought that up on the mainstream media! That is a great quote of the day These people are idiots Then the fact that Russia doesn't have an extradition treaty with the United States is utterly irrelevant Russia has... No it's not It's not irrelevant. Are you squealing like a pig with no wool? You will is big they could deliver him back if they wanted to, they don't want to for several reasons I think probably the most important and most dangerous is there trying to get everything that can off his computers copying his documents and debriefing him on what he knows personally so you say what Putin is saying is ridiculous do we validate it then with some sort of response or not

32:45 Well, I think if they don't turn him over we should start responding. Honestly we should have started responding to the Chinese when he left Hong Kong They obviously didn't pay any attention to our diplomacy either and to the extent there's any chance to influence Russia it would help to start penalizing China There are several things We could do withdraw our ambassador from Beijing withdrawal our consul general from Hong Kong put all of them This guy's unbelievable, but this is a I think you're absolutely correct. It's complete distraction But the thing that's kind of interesting is you know is the is this commentary running commentaries Everybody's talking about it from Chip Gregory everybody else

33:30 Oh he's got four computers and they're gonna steal all the stuff that he knows and it's going to be a huge disaster. Now what was the number of people with top-secret clearance? You always have it on your head well there's five million Americans with clearance one and a half million have top secret clear right so here is the question I'm gonna ask the question, the media has never asked this please please ask the question ask away! I don't know why they don't bring this up but especially when his computers and he's gonna get debriefs, and he's gonna tell them stuff. You're telling me that the Soviets, the Chinese, the French, the British don't... are not one of those five million people? No! That have this sort of clearance or the 1 million that have the top-secret clearance already working in one of these agencies

34:20 with smarter skills than Snowden, downloading all this stuff. The British, the Russians and the Chinese don't need Snowden for anything! They have everything he's got! And nobody thinks that is correct? They're crazy! With a million... You know, they're throwing away these top secret clearances left and right. And nobody thinks that these guys aren't there already getting this stuff? Everybody knows about this except the American public! It's unbelievable not one journalist has ever even asked that question. Oh John are you okay barely yeah well This is of course the entire reason that this is being told right now Anyone who knows anything about technology

35:06 knows a couple things. They know all of these possibilities, but they also know the inherent weakness and this is why I thought it was funny that this came out of the sysadmins. I know a sysadmin who worked in the drone program And when this sysadmin left to go into private, you know to work for a private company. This sysadmin was physically sick of working for the drone program because it entailed retrieving pictures of people blown up by drones...by drone strikes was asked to change the root password for the next sysadmin. This is how dumb this is! And now they're going after sysadmins, which is the stupidest thing! You want real trouble? Mess with those guys. We've always said sys administrators run the world and they keep most things honest but no... Now we're gonna have to put all kinds of bullcrap there so it's just gonna be even more insecure If there's only one person you can trust in an organization that's a sysadmin

36:14 That's the only person you can trust. It's the only person who looks away when you type in your password, everyone else is like... With a stupid Apple Store to go the Genius Bar. Oh geez! You went through the genius bar recently? Yes. Did you get a beer? I was really it was not it was not a good experience because they don't really fix it and they're condescending Yeah, totally little condescending a little little weird because you're not a genius Not quite as condescending as the edge show I Don't know if I can get to in a day So this is your mainstream media and how they are programming your mind about the about allowing

37:05 All of this stuff that the government is actually denying, but which goes way beyond anything they're admitting to. Which is why I'm not going to take cell phones with me anymore. Screw it! I'm just done with it. I'm sick and tired of it. I'm disconnecting stuff because... screw you! I'm gonna do everything I can to fight this stupidity So here's the Ed show, truly belongs with that clip of Haig as this is your big brother and how the telescreen tells you that it's all okay. I think this kid is a punk! I think he's a coward and I don't view him as patriot at all He's a coward because he won't come home to face the music And if United States of America is doing something so egregiously wrong in its surveillance program

37:54 How come he's the only one speaking up? You mean nobody else is willing to step up and say we're doing really bad stuff here. Look, the Constitution yes abiding by it very important We've been down this road but basically as I see this This is a white bronco chase today Is what this is And we are now balancing The credibility of this guy and The President Of United States Or this guy in our safety I'm going to err on the side of the president. I am going to error on the side of safety in this country, and I do not believe that we have done things so terribly wrong to keep our country safe that we need to prop this guy up who won't come home and face music because i understand there's a lot people in america that are willing to support him he should be empowered by that not going to china not going to russia and certainly not seeking asylum

38:50 This isn't about you, dude. This is about the security of the country." I like that! Isn't it about you, dude? Dude?! The security of all of us and based on what i saw in Washington DC on September 11th 2001... ...I'll never forget that smoke coming out of the Pentagon as it just barreled across the city and people screaming and sirens and people scared And everything we've gone after- I don't know. I just kind of want to go through that again Oh God!! So I don't trust this guy. Have we made mistakes? Yes! Are we perfect? No! I don't like getting felt up in airports, but sometimes what we have to realize is that maybe our laws don't keep up with technology Maybe it's not a perfect world out there But I think the United States since September 11th has done a pretty good job of getting it right

39:45 I'll go with President Obama and his administration in the NSA over this guy. Until of course, I get more evidence! Maybe some of his co-workers... maybe a whole department will come out and say you know Snowden's right don't count on it stick around Oh man what's wrong with that guy? He is on MSNBC This is continuous on MSNBC It never stops This whole Mandela thing, now you tell me. Here's a little Ask John and we can come back to this crap because it is important but... This Mandela thing I think the guy has been dead for couple of days

40:26 But they're waiting, the president finally you know the president had to do his climate change speech and everything. And so he finally you know is in Africa So I guess he can attend the funeral. So it's like now they're gonna... We've had everywhere around the world people have stopped and said oh we miss Mandela were sorry passed away there was a whole controversy in the Gitmo Nation lowlands where like officials were saying oh he's dead, oh no he's not dead. Oh he's dead! Oh no he's not dead I mean the whole thing is they're keeping the guy alive until President Obama shows up no doubt and here's proof because MSNBC came up with this gem, gem I tell you that they repeated several times. We have some developing news that we just have to share Nelson Mandela's daughter

41:13 Zinzi Mandela tells NBC that she was with Nelson Mandela, that she told him of President Obama's upcoming visit to South Africa and in Zinzi's words she told him quote, Obama is coming. And he opened his eyes and gave me a smile Wait, wait. Let's report on this again. Mandela's condition remains critical his daughter telling NBC News that when she told him of President Obama's upcoming visit to South Africa That he opened his eyes and he smiled. Oh this seems like real news John. Mandela's daughter Zinzi spoke to NBC News this morning After visiting her father she said he opened his eyes and smiled When she told him about President Obama I turned on the

41:57 Can you say something? Because I screwed up my speaker. Yeah, hold on... Please help me! Adam and John the bastards are trying to kill me! Are you okay can hear me now? Hello? As much as i'm going to hate to find this but I have to put some headphones on Oh no what happened? What happened? That's crap Well perhaps we should do a little bit of uh Do you have headphones Hello? H-hello? Alright, we'll just have to wait. Oh hold on... You back? Yeah with headphones. I mean do you want a pause and get comfortable honey? Thank you dear. Alright, I'll fix it here but just wait okay y'all fixed now yeah it's weird what happened honey well will you quit calling me honey okay sweetie so is your sound device

43:09 You want me to explain it so people get a little clue about this? Yeah, why not. So I got these speakers that are USB speakers that are from Edify and i've never really screwed around with the volume much but there's a button and you push the button hold down your volume goes down and I was on the impression pushing did then cycle back up and went down and up and now no I just now, I just figured it out. Apparently what so you were not loud enough and I was fooling around on the console to get a louder because they could barely hear you So I decided go and push this button and it turns you down in off. Oh that's not good And so then I'm pushing the button and then pushing nothing is happening so so then I realized that by fooling around which is the only way you get anything to work in tech

43:52 is a... Yes. Seriously, right? Am I wrong? You are correct sir! Once people get the clue about that then they're okay So now what if you're gonna here's how it works you push the button and hold down again he turns on down to zero To turn the volume back up, you have to click on the button. Push push push push push push over and over. Oh it's incremental steps? Yeah! And so you have to push push push push because I noticed when i pushed down a little bit of unit went away because I had hold it. It was holding it down. Right right yeah... So then I started rat-a-tatting it bang bang bang bang bang and came right at the way it should now I know how to use these things. Okay good well good did you get these mail order? Hey! Did you ordered them from my catalog?! That's really good

44:43 Very nice. I think we should move on to Chip Gregory, I see you have two clips. I have Chip he's like...Chip is the worst in this regard I think listening to this thing go He is another spokeshole for the government uh-huh In fact he is so...He's horrible Horrible person! I didn't realize how much This is a Chip Gregory who hosts Meet The Press Which is, I would say is that not the premiere of Sunday show? Is that not the one everyone wants to get? Well there's two competitors. And remember they killed... Face The Nation. They killed the other guy who was hosting it. Remember that? Right. They brought Chip in. Generally speaking was the top one Face The Nation was the competitor and that's with Bob Schieffer who's damn near as bad only he just kind of senile What's um what uh who's Chip Gregory married to again

45:36 He's married to some one of our favorite people. Yeah, what's his real name? Uh David Gregory Okay David Greg Isn't he married to like some douche douchette I think so i think because he truly is a Washington insider and he's kind of the definition here David Gregory also known as Chip born August 24th 1970 uh Imus he was on imus in the morning okay meet the press where's his personal personal life um Oh yeah, married to federal prosecutor former Fannie Mae executive vice president Beth Wilkinson. That's right. Right okay that's right that's right Yeah she's screwing us from the back door he's doing it through into our face

46:22 Alright, ok. Jesse you have a very short clip of Chip. Is this the... Yeah well I just thought this was disgusting way he asked his question, the short clip is just him asking a simple question and he was serious in that it was flabbergasted because he isn't insider and probably works for one of the agencies from what I can tell. But just play the clip, and I'll explain why you can hear what it's about. What else does he intend to do? You have been in contact with him is there additional information he has prepared to leak to bolster his and your claim that he is actually a whistleblower and not a criminal responsible for espionage Sure! I think the key definition of whistleblower somebody who brings to light what political officials doing the dark that is either deceitful or illegal

47:06 Interesting you didn't like the no, no that's not the clip I was looking for well It says with that clip one or two clip one. Where is this short clip on wait hold on? Let me find out that is the short clip. No there's a shorter one This is only 22 seconds well There's one that's even shorter hmm shortest thing I got on this list right dad. I don't know I don't have to say I have it here it is Oh no, I'm sorry this is Schieffer that does the short one. I mixed the two up. Gregor wasn't as bad as this question. This is the worst. Bart, I want to just ask you to start off with a threshold question

47:43 Why did the Washington Post think it should publish this story? No, no. Let me go back to Chip Gregory I'm sure you saw this in the Greenwald interview and this is his question with Greenwald's answer To the extent that you have aided and abetted Snowden even in his current... And aided and abetted is a technical term for treason Well, aided and abetted not just treason any crime. You could do aided and abetted bank robberies. Why shouldn't you Mr Greenwald be charged with a crime? Mr Greenwald... what is this mister mister stuff I want to be mr curry! I think it's pretty extraordinary that anybody who would call themselves a journalist would publicly muse about whether or not other journalists

48:35 should be charged with felonies the assumption in your question david is completely without evidence the idea that i've aided and abetted him anyway this scandal that arose in washington before our stories began was about the fact of the obama administration is trying to criminalize investigative journalism by going through the the emails and phone records of a p reporters accusing a fox news journalist uh... the theory that you just embrace being a co-conspirator with felony in felonies for working with sources. If you want to embrace that theory, it means that every investigative journalist in the United States who works with their sources who receives classified information is a criminal and its precisely those theories and precisely that climate has become so menacing in the United States its why The New Yorker's Jane Mayer said investigative reporting has come to stand still her word as a result of the theories that you just referenced Well the question of whose a journalist may be upto debate

49:25 with regard to what you're doing and of course anybody who's watching this understands I was asking a question that question has been raised by lawmakers as well. i'm not embracing anything but obviously, I take your point all right so to me we play the douchebag clip yeah you're absolutely right to me this is spy versus spy you got the white spy and the black spy and clearly we've got opposite sides And this is a message. This is a message to you, Rudy... ...to every single reporter out there which is basically fuck off! Because we got your number

50:04 You know? Yeah, and we got your phone calls. We got your phone records. For the last five years we've gotten it! Because this show is not live they didn't have to leave that in that little tete-a-tete so they put that in for the express reason of putting every single journalist on notice and for putting every whistleblower on notice It's funny I got a... Here there's the very first whistle blower that President Obama had arrested his trial is coming up and I just want to give you the name because i was talking to someone who knows his dad and here we go so sit here hmm here it is no now sorry I can't find that quickly I'll find but it was the oh yeah, here's newly elected this is an article from 2009 freshly elected freshman election night victory

51:08 that the president has charged another former government employee with violating the Espionage Act and this guy's name is Hitzelberger. You ever hear of this guy? No Okay, so he pleaded not guilty and what happened is he left the service And he went home and had some documents and they said oh you took those documents because you were going to sell them to the Chinese! Ha ha! And they locked him up Yeah, well they locked up that NSA guy. The CIA guy too. Lock him up! Lock them all up! And they lock out all these people up and of course this is unbelievably fascistic But doesn't it work both ways? You know where the government says if you have nothing to hide then... Yeah I know but they won't listen to that argument from their perspective. Well if we say well if you have nothing to hide why don't you show everything Then all of a sudden its smoke billowing out of the Pentagon Which by the way aside from the people in there would be a pretty good start

52:03 I mean, please. This is getting annoying! I'll tell you this is uh... yeah it's bad but I think you're right that Gregory here who should be fired for even asking the question the way he did literally should be fired because what kind of a journalist or host is he to ask a question like that and assume the guy talking to him is a criminal And then Boa, that's not what I meant. He made it worse by saying this is not what he meant but this is what all the lawmakers are saying! It's really disgusting Now here is something interesting...I went down a bit of rabbit hole with the connection

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57:05 The majority of these independents keep medical records in paper charts, not electronic records. Thus the NSA, CIA and President Obama cannot snoop in real time unless they perform a breaking and entering after hours The Pentagon, FBI etc have all been hacked. Does anyone really believe that an EHR electronic health record is safe from prying eyes? I would encourage all our pre-drunk, pre diabetic donors and our fine producers to find a doctor that doesn't use a government approved healthcare record but instead uses paper charts

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59:18 And so all of the, and we have Blue Cross. All of the approved doctors they all have electronic records and we like no! We don't want to do that and then she had to have her procedure And they're like well you got a sign in on the website I'm like no we're not doing that and we go in you know They're like now if you don't do it on there, you can have your procedure done So she has one doctor who is you know really good? He's the guy that got at a compounded stuff for her thyroid. That's made locally here in Austin tailored to her specific Situation yeah those guys are under attack Well

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1:09:08 Because they have the website is noagendatexas.com and you should check this out! They've improved it Remember remember that this September John fires black powder shot What's the name of this URL? NoagendaTexas.com Event details, let me see what's going on with the event Mm-hmm Let's see. Anyway, so they're working on... Yeah very funny. So they're working on something but I'm leaving this up to you. By the way, I don't know what the guys got there but that is not a black powder gun. It looks like a bad ass... Unless it's some new modern version? Could be! Could be. Why not?! Why would he do that? You've got a really long scope

1:09:59 I don't know what the deal is with that, but i think it's just funny. I just love... I think thats not scope thats not a scope you shoot the black powder and then you put your mouth on that thing and suck in this pile of smoke flying off of it yeah okay yeah right im sorry its not fun devorek dot org slash n-a hey! No matter what you do we always ask to go out and do this important thing which is propagate our formula Our formula is this We go out, we hit people in the mouth All right rabbit hole quick little rabbit hole hit it all right so rabbit hole is we now We know that John Young who runs Kryptome org Left wiki leaks in 2007 and said you guys are a CIA front. I want nothing to do with you

1:10:59 And we have gone through this ad nauseum about the Julia Sanchez background, pretty much just feeling like the way it came down, the way that documents were published in newspapers and not online. There's also some code thing going on where they're calling him Assange. Have you noticed this? No, is it Mr. Assange? No just Julian Assange and the CIA guys are calling him this and the whole thing is fishy Interesting I have not heard of this Yeah, in fact it was a douchebag that was the head of the agency for some period of time I think under Bush. I can't remember his name but it was Woolsey or something like that. Yeah, Woolsey. He's back in the picture now. And he came on some show going on and on about something or other and he called him Assange. He said Assange and Manning needed to be thrown into slammer. Then they would go on...

1:09:59 I don't know what the deal is with that, but i think it's just funny. I just love... I think thats not scope thats not a scope you shoot the black powder and then you put your mouth on that thing and suck in this pile of smoke flying off of it yeah okay yeah right im sorry its not fun devorek dot org slash n-a hey! No matter what you do we always ask to go out and do this important thing which is propagate our formula Our formula is this We go out, we hit people in the mouth All right rabbit hole quick little rabbit hole hit it all right so rabbit hole is we now We know that John Young who runs Kryptome org Left wiki leaks in 2007 and said you guys are a CIA front. I want nothing to do with you

1:10:59 And we have gone through this ad nauseum about the Julia Sanchez background, pretty much just feeling like the way it came down, the way that documents were published in newspapers and not online. There's also some code thing going on where they're calling him Assange. Have you noticed this? No, is it Mr. Assange? No just Julian Assange and the CIA guys are calling him this and the whole thing is fishy Interesting I have not heard of this Yeah, in fact it was a douchebag that was the head of the agency for some period of time I think under Bush. I can't remember his name but it was Woolsey or something like that. Yeah, Woolsey. He's back in the picture now. And he came on some show going on and on about something or other and he called him Assange. He said Assange and Manning needed to be thrown into slammer. Then they would go on...

1:11:56 So I'm looking at the reports coming in and how WikiLeaks is now basically claiming Mr. Snowden as their own, and this woman appears... What i see... Oh! I am sorry that's not that woman, that was the waterhead Here it is. This is what I wanted. Legal advisor to WikiLeaks, she joins me here live from London Jennifer thank you for coming on and and I just have to ask first couple of questions where is Edward Snowden right now? Now this woman her name is Jennifer Robinson

1:12:41 and she is a lawyer, so let's listen to what she says and then let's go down the hall. As Julian Assange confirmed this afternoon on the telephone conference call he is in direct contact with WikiLeaks but at this stage they are not disclosing where he is He is in good health, he is in high spirits we understand but they are not disclosing his whereabouts Can you tell me where he would like to go? Priority number one I understand my instructions are and as has been widely reported that he has now sought asylum from Ecuador and made an application exercising his legal right under international law to seek asylum. That is now a matter for the Ecuadorian government. This entire interview she's saying, My instructions are this is what I've been told really to you? I am a moron!

1:13:27 And so I'm like, OK. Who is this woman? So Jennifer Robinson is a lawyer and she is the legal director for the Bertha Foundation. Berthafoundation.org go to this website and this is this is a very, very interesting in fact, I'm going to go there myself They hand out money to all kinds of groups, but there's no information about who is behind it. How do you spell this? B-U? B-E. Bravo Echo Romeo Tango Hotel Alpha. Bertha Foundation was established in 2010 by a family who believes that bright ideas combined with resources and strong leadership can create profound social impact

1:14:15 We believe in the power of social activism to generate social, political economic and environmental change. We believe in passionate individuals and projects that can affect change on a local or global scale." These are the people who paid for this woman to represent WikiLeaks and Mr Snowden. Let me mention a couple other things one the on the web page people should check out there's a bunch of people in a circle, a bunch of kids and it looks like they're maybe African. Yeah And then there's a woman with a camera wearing a headscarf and she appears to be a Muslim I don't know what the point of that is? And then there's a quote from Peter Gabriel uh-huh On this on the right hand side so this thing is very... Go to grantees John if you click on grantees up there at the top

1:15:03 And they also have a weird logo with the B in the middle of it. Yep, kind of a fascist looking thing Oh yeah so they're handing out money to The Sundance Institute The Ubuntu Education Fund But here's what is interesting There is no record Of the birth of foundation that I could find as A non-profit in the United States Even though they claim To be a Non-Profit Foundation Why do you say that? Where did they claim that? If you look at about, they well then I'm sorry. They're not talking about being in nonprofit We believe philanthropy is more than science and we focus on people in their vision we try to be trailblazers and finding daring opportunities and You look at the grantees and it's

1:15:54 It's basically propagandistic. I write down to the Ubuntu Education Fund, which i think is the African thing... Now the Ubuntu Education Fund they receive a lot of money like a million dollars just from The Bertha Foundation but who is The Bertha Foundation? That's all I really want to know! Oh by the way on the grantees page there's a quote from Harry Belafonte Radical thought is the energy of the universe. Now it's not saying that Harry Belafonte is a member of The Bertha Foundation No, they just put a quote on there I could do that myself if I wanted to And then if you look at... They have all these crazy like news stories Let me see our focus

1:16:40 They have a thing called We Own TV. Yeah, I'm telling you this is... we aim to inspire lawyers and legal activists and we aim to inspire and enable the work of socially minded lawyers and are committed to strengthening the field of public interest law so now I go on a search for hours to find out yeah is there a family called Bertha? Who are these people who are these people and why don't they just disclose that on their website They do say, we do not fund animal rights welfare organizations, crisis and disaster relief, genetic and rare diseases governments large-scale scientific or social research political candidates in campaigns religious organizations universities in the developed world. But they do fund Wikileaks apparently because they're paying for WikiLeaks' legal help

1:17:29 And I run into a woman who is featured as part of the Ubuntu Foundation, A video on one of these bull crap sites. Her name is Lara Tabatsnik Yes you can't make it any crazier than that and she's the CEO and founder of The Bertha Foundation Ah! You finally got to the bottom of it It's kind of like a fake Ted Being in position to be able to create change I feel it's a privilege and responsibility. I'm Lara Tabatsinik, founder and CEO of the Bertha Foundation One of the trips that we did this year was out in rural Kenya one of the schools you went to is probably the poorest one i've ever been to my life It was literally two mud structures And all the kids were out on their lawn The principal asked this little boy to stand up Everyone started clapping This boy until about a week ago he was 11 or 12

1:18:31 and he used to come to school naked because he couldn't afford a uniform. Alright, so do you get the point? She's full of shit! What are you talking about?! But she has that kind of fake accent... And then I'm like okay what is going on with this woman the only thing i can find so the birthofoundation.org is registered to her at what I presume is her address of 70 Washington um hold on a second it is seventy I think Washington Street in Brooklyn, New York. Penthouse H and if you look at it this is a two and half million dollar penthouse but this is just some rich woman who likes to help black kids with no clothes and finances this stuff and-and you cannot find a single thing about her she is invisible as far as anything Bertha Foundation goes she has a wiki page um

1:19:30 which only references the Ubuntu Education Foundation. The whole thing is like, what is going on? And where are these people coming from? Who are they and why are they funding this? Laura Tabaznik. And you found what? Nothing! Well this is not good... No! This is actually very very bad Because we have an unknown group with unknown financiers providing legal and spokes-hole assistance to WikiLeaks and Mr. Snowden, I do have his... you're gonna love this... I have inside information

1:20:20 that the same PR firm that handles Mr. Assange will now also be handling Mr Snowdon and that is Fitzgibbon Media, and you need to take a look at their site. Okay. Fitzgibbon is f-i-t-z gibbon media dot com And their clients are a veritable who's who of douchebags The Courage Campaign, who of course were very big on the gay marriage thing. The Invisible War Demand Action to End Gun Violence MoveOn.org Amnesty Safer Chemicals Healthy Families Common Cause America's Voice It goes on and on and on Democracy for America So this is one of the true Washington insider PR campaigns

1:21:13 And they already represent Mr. Assange and Wikileaks, because of course you know the huge organization I guess... ...I guess they just have money coming out of their assholes and they will now be doing the PR for Mr Snowdon. Interesting is that they have a... so like exposing backpage.com They're real policy guys They have a what we do you should read this and they have something called artist action Connecting causes with like-minded artists to raise awareness and inspire action. This is how people like Bono and REM then, you know get involved

1:22:02 No. This is how they calculate how much they charge their clients. Oh, one of these operations? Well this is an old idea that comes and goes in public relations we should explain it. Yes so the way I understand it... is they go out and they promote something, and it'll say okay we're gonna have Bono talk about how we need WikiLeaks to be freed. Julian Assange needs to be freed. And there will be five you know 50 stories and they'll measure the actual size of the stories in print that time that was spent on the stories on the news

1:22:59 and the number of web pages, and let's say if you had to buy banners commercials and other forms of advertising it would cost this much money to get this much exposure. Almost! Oh okay what did I miss? Well how it really works Actually, this is 20 years old. This information from the guy one of the guys who invented this idea although that this has come and gone in public relations generally speaking it's looked out down upon but they actually have a fee schedule that they present the client, they say here's what the deal is. We're going to be representing you and here's the fee schedule in other words if you get an article in The Wall Street Journal because of what we did then actually anything that happens once you sign on with these guys whether it was because of us or somebody from The Wall Street Journal wanted to know this is what its gonna cost you. And The Wall Street Journal will be worth like $1500 for that article a couple of this and they don't actually go through any trouble measuring just that if your in The Wall Street Journal

1:24:01 And essentially, people sign on to that. There's not much work involved in this except tracking all the places where something showed up you get a guest spot on MSNBC you have to pay five grand and all the rest of it and then it's just pretty straightforward business but its really sleazy. I would like to point out that as far as I know the celebrities who I've known who participated in stuff like this they get paid They get paid for their participation. If you look at the site here, you see Artist Action introducing Artists Action let's see Sir Paul McCartney backs the Global Zero Movement which is now he may not have received payment for it but he was recruited Let's see do we have any oh they have a video here? They might have a little promo. They're a little promo that'd be cool I didn't realize that now it doesn't seem to be working

1:24:53 Artists we've worked with, REM, Pearl Jam Tom Morello, Rise Against... Rise Against? Jason Mraz Steve Earle The Roots Alicia Keys Yoko Ono Chris Cornell Paul McCartney Ozo Motley Oh man I'm showing my age Dirty Projectors Jackson Brown Serge Tankian Talib Kweli Alabama Shakes Dave Matthews Artist Action adds a powerful new element to advocacy When combined with Fitzgibbon's media earned, media and digital strategies can tip the scales cause a campaign to stand out and reach a much wider audience. Yeah so in other words what you're saying and what I believe is they're selling here is that these bands have sold out of these guys? Correct correct And so when you have them for one thing they'll do even though they will get paid but they'll do

1:25:45 a benefit for one of these operations, the drop on the hat. They'll get paid but they'll do the benefit and then while doing the benefit they will be saying things on stage like this is great what their doing! Yeah have you been apart of this? So they have case studies and this was the exposing backpage dot com child sex trafficking in our own backyard Do you remember how big this campaign was Well, these guys they do that. Now I'm not saying that this is bad but it's certainly not transparent as how its happening This was Fair Girls paid for the campaign which was partnered with Change.org SignOn.org The Polaris Project and something called Auburn And they essentially show how they attacked Backpage

1:26:44 And so you may think that when you're watching television, oh man it kind of started with We Are The World and Artists United Against Sun City. Hands across America there's a million of these! It's all bogative! It's totally what we've been saying now for five years I know but to advertise it and say hey... Oh yeah no actually if we would do..we could find all these operations I think exposing them once in a while is a good thing. And this is a great example, these guys are pay for play, which is one way to do public relations by the way but some people think it's better deal turns out not to be and then they have all these sellouts which you just named Dave Matthews Jackson Brown R.E.M. R.E.M. I've always suspected that guy Well there ya have it

1:27:39 And Jimmy Wales now has said, oh you know what? We're gonna break the Wikipedia rules and we're going to track who was using the Snowden talk page. Remember you are supposed be able to be anonymous there's no tracking of Wikipedia editors and so... No! Not Jimmy Wales! He is the protector of the book of knowledge he'll go in try and track him down I don't think that guy... You know what? I'm not even sure this Snowden exists I'm not even sure. It could be a scam, you don't know we've never met him no idea whatsoever Of course that kind of thinking falls out

1:28:28 Which I just cracked it. I didn't want to clip this whole thing because it was really, really kind of odd but there's a clip which is called the idiotic puff piece for Google The person that you're going to be listening to here Is a woman who probably a high paid executive at Google Sounds like a moron and they're rolling out some new product, you know where Google can track you in all kinds of new ways. It's gonna make your life so much better! But there are a couple zingers in here that make you wonder... Do they think the American public is as stupid to think that there is no such thing as Barack Obama and their Eiffel Tower was made up? Just play this. You are fully wired That's what Google aimed to show at a townhouse in New York City

1:29:15 The tech giant demonstrated how its enhanced search capabilities could potentially improve everything. from planning a wedding to cooking. Google now understands real people, places and things in the world like who is Barack Obama that he's an actual person or the MoMA or Eiffel Tower it understands it's actually a real thing and can sort of give you all the information you want to know about that topic available through this beautiful panel on the web page Show me pictures of the boardwalk in Santa Cruz Ah! Ah! Make it stop my ears So who is Rob? A top man, a top man. Show me pictures of the boardwalk show me pictures okay glass show me pictures of the boardwalk this is a smart home oh wow you know we have not moved beyond your refrigerator will know when to order milk We're still at that stage aren't we? Our all time favorite yeah where is that I'm still waiting for the Smart Refrigerator I wil say The Smart Meters have got to go

1:30:19 This crap is, and let me explain why. Because this is very apropos in the whole conversation about cell phone metadata. Man the metadata you get from a smart meter when you're home when you turn on certain stuff I mean it is actual RF reception It can do a million different things. This is the metadata of your life Is in these smart meters And they can shut them off remotely. Well, that's the best part! Hey buddy you don't like it? You don't like the way your voting? Boom! Although I got a... and this is funny because it's from FEMA and I put in the show notes on the last show, I'll republish it It's a wood-burning gasifier Are you familiar with this?

1:31:11 As a matter of fact, I am. This is really cool! You build this wood-burning thing and with the series of tubes you hook it up to a generator and you can run your car on wood Well, yes. Yes? It's a weird product because it creates electricity No! Is this the electricity one? No! It creates gasoline that powers an engine Oh okay Have you ever seen this? No, I've got that. I've seen the electricity one which you burn a bunch of stuff and then they get some voltage out of a plug oh I like that haven't seen yeah They're very small and then you just burned in there and this is electricity This is real and it's from a FEMA brochure so it's a gasification plant

1:31:59 Yeah, and you put like wood. You put wood pellets in and then you stir it around And then it's burning the charcoal and whatever and then again you throw and it goes through a filtration thing And then before you know what? Do you open up the valve and hook that up to your generator or I've seen people with a pickup truck They have actual pickup trucks with this thing in the back. I mean, it's huge It's like it's like an alcohol distillery but they have that in the back and the tube going right into the engine. And they're driving us right up your alley! This is perfect, I'm like wow how come this where's this been all my life? This is...I have a pickup truck if someone would want to help me out, I try to look to buy one uh and there's really you know it's like everybody goes oh buy plans I don't want a plan I want someone to come here build me the gasifier put it in the back of the truck and I wanna drive on wood

1:32:52 It's great! And the FEMA brochure actually says, you know in case of if the grid goes down here is what you need to do. You can build this gasifier and run your generator on it and there are tons of YouTube videos of guys that have built this and it's fascinating I'm like wow they put wood in? And yeah you got a barrel full of stuff and you can run your generator for five hours On wood pellets or whatever you, whatever would you want to burn? I had not heard of this. I was like, wow yeah right up my alley you're absolutely right Keep researching it Let's get back to our sleazeball operations Come on that was the highlight of love Yeah no i can tell You would probably be thrilled by this knowledge Yeah very very thrilled Ah use wood...I can buy some seeds and some water purification Alright Maybe we should sell this stuff Well ummm....yeah there ya go let's sell plans

1:33:53 Hi everybody, buy plans now on how you can drive your car on wood. That's right! Only $99.95 will send you the plans and that's with an extra ten dollars for shipping and handling I read the president's climate action plan which i read before he did his speech which conveniently was done on the hottest day he could find so it looked like he was really sweating from all of this global warming And... Exactly. Right? Yeah, I need to ask you a couple questions You are of course not only historian you're a scientist who worked for the Environmental Protection for an environmental protection agency You were also an outstanding chef so i need to ask you regional Regional Agency I need to ask you a few questions about the statements made by the president Around the same time we began exploring space

1:34:51 Scientists were studying changes taking place in the Earth's atmosphere. Now scientists had known since the 1800s that greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide trap heat Is this true? Have we known this since the 1800s? Not that I know of... I mean, the 1800 scientists- is this Antony van Leeuwenhoek when he was inventing the telescope and he went, ahh see some greenhouses gases up there! I mean is this a fact?! I know, you know. If you read everything written in the 1800s somebody probably said something but... And that burning fossil fuels released those gases into the air That wasn't news But in late 1950's The National Weather Service began measuring the levels of carbon dioxide In our atmosphere With a worry that rising levels might someday disrupt

1:35:46 the fragile balance that makes our planet so hospitable. Okay, so... Alright! Fragile Balance. Alright, Fragile Balance Now this is a this is the big one that they're using The 12 warmest years in recorded history have all come in the last 15 years This is a very interesting statistic to me So was that, um... Was the last three years that it went down? Or where there's a gap of three years where they weren't the warmest and what happened to those. And is it just forever and ever or recorded history do we have records going back to 1800 when these scientists were watching this and measuring this and knew about fossil fuels To me it was mind-boggling statistic

1:36:35 Last year temperatures in some areas of the ocean reached record highs. Some? And ice in the Arctic shrank to its smallest size on record, faster than most models had predicted it would. Models... These are facts! Oh! Facts! Now we know that no single weather event is caused solely by climate change Now this is very interesting. You can see them working on the new sales pitch This is very well done, very well done Drought and fires and floods they go back to ancient times As recorded But we also know that in a world that's warmer than it used to be all weather events are affected

1:37:25 by a warming planet. This is fact. Alright, so okay alright I'm still good to go now he comes out with what i think is the best line of the speech in fact those who are already feeling the effects of climate change don't have time to deny it they're busy dealing with it! I think that's a great line. What? Oh we're in a hurry actually this was put in there Because we know that this may be changing, you know because of the sunspot cycle and whatever. It may be reversing and we're not going to have any more of these examples they're gonna start disappearing just enough of an extreme that it's gonna make everyone lose interest which they are already doing because of the fake data on all the rest of it

1:38:12 And so I think this was put in there to create the sense of urgency that they need to start doing something, So when it does reverse they can say look we started doing something and it works! Oh yeah. No no this is very clear It's already going to happen in this term You are already going to see this go down. It will change... This is what happened with, by the way, acid rain He mentioned that in his speech he mentioned acid rain and how I didn't notice it they had a cap-and-trade program they put in somebody made a lot of money on acid rain and I don't notice that anything's really changed in the way people do anything The whole acid rain thing was bogus Let's listen to the science John So the question

1:38:55 whether we need to act. The overwhelming judgment of science, of chemistry and physics... Wow! ...and millions of measurements... Millions of measurements I tell you! ...has put all that to rest 97% of scientists. Science? Science is in! Including by the way some who originally disputed the data 97% of all scientists in the known universe... Yeah, this is bogus because there's so many scientists that will not speak up about this because they get shouted down by the maniacs. 96? No no no 98? No! 97 percent Because there's a known number of scientists you know we know exactly how many scientist there are We asked them all and 97% said yep I'm in And now put that to rest They've acknowledged The planet is warming

1:39:53 And human activity is contributing to it. This is very important, that's fact! Fact! FACT! So the question now... Is whether we will have the courage to act before its too late Okay, courage very good Now, now the president has the- We talked about performatives on uh..on this show Performatives are, yeah they're really... I mean would you like to take a stab at that John? The performative. Well their way of couching a phraseology that essentially focuses attention on what you're doing not what you're saying, i think is part of the explanation. It's used as propaganda. Yeah it allows you to tell a lie without really telling a lie

1:40:44 As a president, as a father and as an American I'm here to say we need to act. It doesn't get any better than that! Yeah? As a scientist no... No, as a father, as a American, as a President I'm here to say He's not doing the fact thing. He's like I'm here to say I found that to be one of the best performatives i've heard him do in a long time. It was a good one, it was a gem Now the sad fact of all this or really not sad have you looked at the price of natural gas John? Has it gone up? It must have gone up isn't it cannot have stayed down

1:41:29 It hasn't gone up as much as you'd like to believe is it around four bucks now. Is it finally? I think it's still under four and let me take a look. It's got a big it's like 390 last time I looked it's got to be okay, but remember it was three so it's gone up by 33% Ayo Because this is all about It's $3.59. Okay, so it's not bounding out of the gate This is all about natural gas by the way gold is down to 1212 no we can talk about that Let's listen natural gas for a moment the bottom line is natural gases creating jobs ah? It's lowering many families heat and power bills And it's the transition fuel that can power our economy in

1:42:19 with less carbon pollution, even as our businesses work to develop and then deploy more of the technology required for the even cleaner energy economy of the future. In his speech he very briefly mentions nuclear, which I was happy to hear you know a big fan of nuclear think it truly is the ultimate renewable in the plan itself there's there is under these seven billion dollars that will be made available which is pretty much nothing and there is a provision for new compact reactors Now, we have the NEA, the regulatory agency within our government. It pretty much has anti-nuke people running it so I don't expect this to happen because nuclear is not a good deal! You can't gouge people over and over again for nuclear.

1:43:10 Although I think they're stupid because there's actually a there is a model that does work for a backyard Yeah, yeah that will power your house for over 100 years on Unmaintained. Yeah you just put it back there and you plug them You know thing into the mid to your circuit and you're done you good to go forever Yeah, I don't understand why they don't see the opportunity is to create new... and nuclear plants are very expensive to build. Not because the plant is so expensive to build because of all the regulatory bull crap that made it impossible almost Well also there's some elements at the plant because we don't do what the French do We have a non-standardized system So every plant is different They're all custom made It's like let's say you have a car You know, we drive cars

1:43:55 So instead of buying a Toyota, every time you buy a new car you'd actually go to a custom guy and have the car built from scratch. What do you think that would cost compared to a Toyota? Right right right I think the opportunity is to build these reactors, hook everyone up to it and then just charge them for nothing. They're so...I don't understand why no one sees this because once you build it's working, its running these new reactors, the breeders they eat their own bulk, they eat their own poop, put it back into the front end

1:44:30 There's very little, there is almost no waste. It just keeps perpetual motion almost that's how good this stuff is and then you could charge people for air! I don't understand why no one sees that opportunity but okay... I did get a note from producer Steve Adam I want to confirm gas lines are installed with solar panels? I'm an attorney for a large corporation and was asked to review some provisions in the contract for the installation of solar panels on one of our locations In these instances, I usually scan the entire contract before honing in on the language directly related to my speciality. Much to my surprise a lot of information that contract related to gas lines. They found this particularly odd because this is an existing location so it already has utility service as such there's no need for backup... to back up the solar presumably they could just use the existing electrical provider when the solar isn't adequate

1:45:24 But all of this solar stuff and wind stuff, it's all hiding gas burners. Gas turbines. It's all about gas and we know this because this is what we've been following ever since episode 381 I think. We've been following pipelines and gas lines and that's what this is all about. So the idea was, as predicted under the Clean Air Act is to I think essentially give us rolling blackouts or whatever. It's going to make coal which is dirty although you can make it very clean Actually most coal today could be made extremely clean Yes

1:46:01 with the floating beds and scrubbers and all the rest of it. But nobody wants to talk about any of this because after all we have 350 years if we just powered the entire country with coal We have so much coal. Everyone says this, they don't say it anymore we're going to say it again on the show we are the Saudi Arabia of coal. We have 350 years supply if we use nothing but coal we would be powering the United States for the next 350 years no problem So well you know that's not any good that.

1:46:50 What does this partner with the private sector business? What does that mean? It's corporatism, it's fascisms is what it means. I mean when someone says that to me that's like well...I'd like a deal like that can I partner with the government? Yeah let's partner up with me bro Private sector technological know-how in countries the transition to natural gas Yeah, so he's now selling for the gas industry. We've mobilized billions of dollars in private capital for clean energy projects How does he mobilize billions of dollars and clean in private capital? how does that I mean I'm hearing the words come out of his mouth we've mobilized billions of dollars in private equity really then you must have held some carrot in front of them and

1:47:34 Private equity doesn't just jump up and down say oh, oh I really want to save the world Let me give you billions of dollars now around the world today. I'm calling for an end of public financing for new coal plants overseas unless they deploy carbon capture technologies or there's no other viable way for the poorest countries to generate electricity well There's G's contract Wow, so unless there's really no other way they can do it then you know but since when do we fund public funds for coal plants overseas? Mexico is what it foreign. I think that means Mexico

1:48:14 We don't know that. Yes we do, are you kidding me? No we don't know that it's just Mexico Oh no but its important to us because they're shutting down coal plants in Texas Texas now buys its electricity from Mexico from coal plants built by GE Did you know this? No. This is like a Texas piece of news Yeah, they shut down... Do you remember the Super Bowl we had here in Texas? We have a Super Bowl where the power went out Right! This was the Super Bowl in Dallas

1:48:51 That's because they had to shut down the plants. They're shutting down these coal plants in Texas so that we can then import energy from Mexico with coal, from coal plants it is not like the coal dust doesn't float over the border built by GE and you can't make this stuff up. Another viable way for the poorest countries to generate electricity You know what I say? Screw the poor countries is what i say. Screw you guys! All right then, the final bit and this just put it all to rest so the conversation IS over...you just need to shut up Nobody has a monopoly on what is a very hard problem but I don't have much patience for anyone who denies that this challenge is real No! Shut Up Slave!

1:49:37 The science is in! Science! We don't have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society. Wow That was... You know it's funny because I heard that thing but taking it apart the way you just did by deconstructing and listening to each segment and then trying to figure out what is about, because everything's about something. Yeah And then coming up with the shut-up slave at the end would have got your clip of the week except for the produce thing which I'm gonna add I want you to play again at the end of this show Yeah yeah no I understand I understand Well let me wrap it up there cause this whole speech was filled with performatives

1:50:20 And one of our producers who just blew my mind Let me see if I have this producers. Let me see who the this was Mike kowalsk Adam, I study linguistics in college and grad school So your discussion of performatives on Sunday show was very interesting. I was thinking about it so this is we have smart people listening grad school that means you're a professor No, no. It means he's a grad student trying to get his PhD or his masters So he may already have it He may already be there But I didn't go to college so i'm already impressed! I got a college kid talking to me Yeah Um...I was thinking and I think I found the ultimate performative Would you like to hear it John?

1:51:08 No, not really. Yes you do! I, Barack Hussein Obama do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States. The whole oath is a performative. I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute to the best of my ability. The office of President of the United States and will, to the best of my ability, preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. The whole thing is open to interpretation now! Well he's already interpreted that his job is not to defend the constitution but to protect us from evil

1:51:57 And let me just mess with your head. On the No Agenda Show Final note for today from Jared I had to call Microsoft this morning and remembered what was said on Sunday's show, I was on hold and said fuck each time the voice system wanted me to say things like office! I then told them to hold on for a representative The outsource representative was even nicer than usual to me. I think the tip works! Why don't you re-explain the tip to somebody who didn't catch that show? We've had multiple sys administrators who work on voice systems

1:52:40 email us about voice recognition that of course the NSA employs and uses to listen to everything. And these are used in commercial companies, and if the voice system detects you're agitated, you get moved to the front of the line! And he specifically said the F word is the word that you use and make it sound like you're really agitated. This guy tested it, he called Microsoft and every single time they had to provide an answer with I don't even think you have to wait for the voice prompt. He's like fuck! And boom! He got immediately put onto a live person within 35 seconds

1:53:20 That is the tip of the year for us. Well, it goes along with our can't raise my arms above my shoulder thing Yeah well there's that but you know not everyone is flying around all time You do need technical support or have to call these phony machines constantly So yeah, its interesting No I mean we need to try this Everyone please try this We really really need to know that this is working But to me this is fact proof! Im liking it And that alone, THAT ALONE will be worth your price of admission to this podcast.

1:54:10 I think i'm telling you one hour of that would be ideal just over and over again it'll put you to sleep. Yeah, that guy but five seconds in between try try it now uh oh hold on I just dropped it um well so it's kind of wait hold on I know how to do this this uh this is a fact yeah I'll do I'll do a couple times in a row hold on a second let me set it up because now you're asking me to do stuff that wasn't prepared Like something in between or no it should just be this is a fact and then a pause of about five seconds, okay? All right, then again forever. Here we go This is a fact this is a fact now It's got to be more in between More time in-between I think close to 10 seconds really yeah, okay well let's try it This is a fact this is a fact

1:55:08 This is a fact. Yeah, I think that would be it. I'm not done yet! This is a fact... Yeah. This is a fact and then you can play that bald guy, the billionaire guy Okay I'll do that at the end of the show Here we go let's just thank a few other producers for this show Please save me Jason Stevens in Lost Wages Nevada $111.11 Allen $110 just plain old Allen in Silverdale Washington home of The Silverdale Mall I just got my DOD federal furlough letter so i'd better do this now while I can still afford it. He's got a birthday shout out for George Orwell. Really? Is that on the list? I would think so, its highlighted. Philip Merkert

1:56:01 in Rothelmund Munster. Okay, I would say Merkert? Merkert, Merkert. Philippe Merkert-Merkert in Gitmo Deutschland? Deutschland 100 bucks Let's see what does he say here? Hi having lost... show out of sight for a longer period of time but like to report back by donating some my hard earned money as an employee of the Deutsche Bahn Oh is that the railroad man yeah Bahn gut, Flugzeug schlecht. Actually they have that crazy little beep-beep horn which I'd love to get a good recording of We need to do a German version. It should be... Einsteigen! All aboard trains good Deutsche Bahn gut, Flugzeug schlecht

1:56:44 That was kind of a... Woodman colon or Colin 94 95 note. Irvin Owens Jr. 75 57 in Alameda California Josh Morris 69 Oh sorry I was still uh, I'm still on my German vibe There we go! 69 dude! See the last show we did there was four and then of course it's all been downhill since our big 69-69 date. He says he has been a boner for too long, we had some karma at the end of the messaging Matthew Wittering, 69 in Bedford by the way Morris was in Kirtland Sir Matthew. Kearney Missouri Sir Matthew Wittering in Bedfordshire UK Gregory Ball in Walson Tyne on Thames or someplace in the UK And that is it! It's done

1:57:37 Holy mackerel that's it! 69! Done dudes. So we'll have probably two on Sunday and then I think this whole thing which has been going on for over a year will be dead good I know you've been looking forward to it being dead Yeah, yeah that's me man. I've been looking forward to it. Rebecca Waters came in with 69.00 out of New Mexico Lawrence Dring and Chesterfield Michigan 55-55 Maxwell Roberts double nickels on the dime in Manhattan Kansas Aaron Schnee Lincoln Nebraska 55 10 Kevin Payne

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2:02:06 Please remember us for the Sunday show. It's always a little slow on Sunday and today was light So we are going into the summer months when we need extra help Because it's not like you'd like to workload gets less Jon Stewart went on vacation thinking what could be no actually I think yeah He misses all the good stuff Yeah, I think he's directing a movie or something but you know We can't we can't leave we're gonna take nothing two shows off. We're working on July 4th Yeah, what what is it? What person on television works on July the fourth nobody I've been a fan of Howard Stern. I've always liked what he'd do what he does on the radio and I grew up when I grew But I listened to him in New York When I had you know was driving into MTV from Jersey when I lived in New York and also more my first company And I was I listened a lot and I think he still has quite a big following

2:03:03 on Sirius XM. Would you say that's pretty much all the people listen to? I've listened to, one time when it last time I drove up to Washington and ended up listening to Howard Stern on a lot of the trip because they had satellite radio in the car right and i would say that one thing is interesting about him this was just best stuff so which is like a lot of his stuff I think the one thing has overlooked about him since he kind of presents himself as a douchebag But he is one of the most interesting and outrageously talented interviewers that I've ever heard in my life because he will get people, because the way he does it. I mean, I follow interviewers cause if you do interviewing at all and I do it occasionally, uh... You can learn a lot by watching The Best. Larry King was another good one. He had some tricks that were interesting but Stern

2:03:54 absolutely astonishing the way he will start to dig at somebody when he's when he senses a nugget yeah that he wants to get out of him. Yeah and he will just go after it, dig and dig and dig in it is I any somewhat irresistible I suppose Luckily, he has always kept Robin by his side. For she understands how this country works. Stern? Not so much. Spying on us they now are saying look because of that spying We've been foiling terror plots. Yeah, so I believe that is their excuse He's he's truthful here That's the sad part people who don't believe anything the government says but I believe them you know we've heard about some of them There's no problem with wanting to catch terrorists right? The problem is

2:05:02 When my rights as an American citizen are infringed upon because of your desire to find a problem. people being blown up. Listen... Yes, but we're also talking about people having information they might use against people who don't deserve to be spied upon The next time a World Trade Center thing goes off or a dirty bomb god forbid goes off in the city... The next time Wow We can't read your... How bad is this?

2:05:39 And he just goes on and on and on. He thinks it's great. It was terrible, they bought into that 50 hour plot bull crap because we had a clip in the last show people who didn't listen to the last show should listen to this clip which was a caucus discussion in front of all the aides some of the congressional aides where the guy outlined the ones that were revealed and they were all bogus! They have foiled nothing Yeah, it goes on and on. I'll leave it in the show notes so you can listen to the whole clip but he just keeps going like if you want to say something private don't say it on the phone, don't say it on email... yeah let's just turn into a Stasi run operation that's terrible there is no excuse for that this what happens when your guy has over $100 million dollars in the bank half-a-billion dollars they gave him so much money and he doesn't care anymore he doesn't care about the people

2:06:33 The people who made him, man. Dude! We made you dude on WNEW, man. So they've been doing an interesting job of slamming Ecuador I've noticed There's a couple things that I want to point out Another thing that was never asked by the media but I thought was hilarious That no one has ever brought this up When Snowden was supposedly on the flight to, depending on who you talk to, Cuba Or Venezuela from the Russian airport on seat 15 on an Aeroflot flight. You remember that, he wasn't on it? No this is all a joke! This is the part you didn't know I was talking about and then I would like to see somebody even bring it up Does anybody notice the hilarity of this whole thing because that plane was stuffed

2:07:21 with reporters. Yeah and so here you are, you're a reporter, you found out about this because they publicized the flight number, you get it ticket now you're on a flight to Venezuela with nothing to do and you gotta go turn back around the other way! This is just... To me this is the funniest thing about this whole deal was all these boneheads who've gone on the flights. Where am I going? Oh man I'm gonna be stuck in Venice or Cuba what am I gonna do in Cuba?! Well, that's what these guys do. They go there they go get drunk and have sex with each other. Yeah, maybe yeah That could be yeah But they were already doing that we have to remember I got two clips about Ecuador And they're dead they're doing everything they can to defame the place and they got these people with these crazy analysis that are crap but I want to make sure that people remember if you've read one of our seminal books that we push on this show which is confessions of an economic hitman and We haven't

2:08:20 least one if not a bunch of economic hitmen men who listen to the show the target that the government was going to be Ecuador and for various reasons, Ecuador managed to pull out of being used by the United States to be just exploited. And they're still trying to get money from Standard Oil for screwing up a bunch of part of their environment with a big oil spill they won't clean up and the US won't do anything about it. The guy who wrote wants to move to Ecuador. I think this is a great place and a lot of people you know, think it's a fine place to live because you don't have a lot of these crazy influences but they're doing everything they can on these TV shows to blast the crap out of Ecuador that make it sound like its world worst place and we just play these clips comments on Ecuador and then Ecuador 2 If Ecuador grants Snowden a pass should we stop handing them

2:09:21 the cash. The US shelling out more than 21 million dollars this year to the Latin American nation on top of another 11 million dollars requested for next year national security analyst Aaron Cohen said... I love this, the sound effects are off-the-hook on this show! They're gonna have to use that on PBS what are we flying through the screen when he's talking like this? Nothing they just show a little nothing Just cut them off if they cut this guy a break. That's what you do, Ann? Cut him right off right there. I think we need to take a look at a couple of hard facts, Stuart regarding Ecuador. I don't think many people are aware but the fact is we don't even have an Ecuadorian ambassador in the US and the reason why is because in April 2011

2:10:07 a secret classified cable was leaked by our then ambassador in Ecuador which had significant proof and information that there was such an extreme amount of corruption in Ecuador. And so they ended up tossing him out, and so effectively ended up tossing the ambassador here in the U.S., out to reciprocate it. So the fact is that we're giving millions and millions of dollars to this country right now who may potentially be harboring somebody who could have been responsible for one of the most massive intelligence leaks in history, both private contracting and our espionage world which could affect the national security or the threat level for us on a very high macro level as it pertains to terrorism so we've had trouble with these guys for a long time. Well if whoever that guy is does he have a book out? He better have a book out! No, no...he's some private operation. Really?! He's just a total douche. I don't see that he has anything going on

2:11:02 recently on the second we did what we need to we needed some little more important i don't think we're doing it right so i'm gonna have you intro ecuador too but i'm going to first set you up so uh... no agenda show me a good job for john what is your record or clip i don't know but it got do we have that much leverage by if we suggest will take away their cash twenty one million dollars are if u give him asylum is is that much leverage for people already hostile to us It's a good question. I think that $20 million is a lot of leverage to a country that faces as much corruption as Ecuador does, you've got to remember that... 21 million dollars? That's what an actor gets for a movie! This is not money

2:11:45 shanti deputies not money with doors a country that uh... is one of the the largest countries involved with money laundering which is a key element to terrorism it's also one of the hubs for processing wanted to cookbell about chemical elements in cocaine and they also have those drugs to be able to moved freely and while they claim they want to clean up their country the fact this is that there's very little proof of that so i think taking away those funds will actually deliver a significant enough hit for those people, and for that government to go hey wait a second here maybe we need to have a closer look at our policy regarding US security interests particularly with our spy business as it relates to terror this is serious stuff. You're a national security analyst in your opinion is it likely? Stop stop stop stop stop! This is what I'm going to try the next dinner when I am introduced to the professor

2:12:41 the Performatives Linguistic Professor? Yeah. And he said, what do you do? I said, I'm a national security analyst. Yeah! Which... I think that's what we are. We are national security analysts. That Snowden has already given whatever information he can to China and Russia. I think that, that's a good question. I think we have to assume that whatever information Snowden had on his little martyr escapade which is really what this is right now... Oh! I'm gonna throw up Yeah this gets good you gotta back it up so they can hear the whole thing its beautiful

2:13:19 Escapade. Whatever information Snowden had on his little martyr escapade, which is really what this is right now it's just attention-seeking bizarre thing that's happening I believe that we have to treat this particular case as if all of the information that he may have access to was leaked All right. Of course I brought up the other point which is they don't even got spies they got more stuff than Snowden ever dug up Can I just say one thing? Say two things. How fantastic is Australia? Well, they finally got rid of the ginger. But apparently we have a system in Australia where it's like a poison pill! It's like this one is no good get rid of this one and put another one in place Can you imagine if we had that here

2:14:14 Well, they have that in the UK too and in Canada. It's the same system and yeah you can get these people... You can oust these people at a drop of a hat I love that system! Oh come on it is great! Well, it has its problems too Look she got in there and was stuck for a long time She should have been out for a long time Some of those people were in there decades Of course it has its problems The main problem being the Queen has to approve it The Queen of England Okay, I approve that's the real problem. No she it but it's just a theater by the way I want to go back to that clip where they guy says oh they had chemical elements Chemical elements in the processing of the cocaine what is that? What is it? No no you make you make coke with other stuff don't you know

2:15:08 Yeah, it's coca leaves you to extract the coca leaves. You don't you? Don't you all they did let's put this stop Ecuador and and Peru both are cocaine Legalized is cocaine is legal But nobody use that they use these leaves constantly because they're high-altitude countries and so people are chewing on these leaves constantly It's a good. It's a great product And you know they're not part of the cartels or anything else. This is this It's a great product did you just say that I've used it cocaine no, no the lead oh Okay in what believe and what have you use that in? I used it when I was in The Andes and I was floating around and if you don't have this stuff my favorite example okay So there's a old man up there Hold on could you please indulge me for a moment? I want everyone to get a little visual close your eyes

2:16:01 John is roaming around in the Andes Exactly so here I am and so I'm up in this that Friday. We're at 14 5 or some some altitude by yourself for you with sure The group of people who want to visit some little village did you ever Sherpa? That's the Sherpas in a different part of the world. Anyway, so there are these old guys I knew about the coca leaf trick because... You chew it for altitude sickness Well and energy because you don't have oxygen Yeah no kidding Don't get a buzz from it. This whole thing is bogus I'm very productive One thing they have all, they have the coca tea you drink a bunch of that and then you get the coca leaf And you put the cocoa...and the guys old guys show me how to do it You know and I was like the only guy like He was showing how to cut it I am the only guy in this group thats chewing this stuff because the other Americans are oh its illegal! And so Im thinking great for the Andy's for God sake Wait wait what? Was this group from Berkeley

2:17:01 No, there were just a bunch of guys from around the country. But whatever the case is they were none of them but myself and maybe one other guy would chew these leaves and so... And I'm like the oldest guy by 20 years because they're all a bunch of Millennials or ex-Generals So I'm wandering around and it's very hard to walk First of all you know you've told us this story before right oh, yeah twice But I would like you to add a new twist. I want who are these guys? I don't remember Oh Bull crap You don't remember what what group were you with you know that they were Gen Xers so who were these people you need to have as a new information

2:17:41 by the... Just be honest for once. I'm always honest, just trying to think what the group was called at the time it was Roberto Milk and a bunch of his compatriots who run an import-export operation that invited us all to go visit one of the... Import export eh? Roberto Milk? Yeah, the company was in fact I think it was bought by National Geographic. It's called Novica He is... Roberto Milk from Novica? Yeah, Novica A mission driven company that works with artisans around Are you an artisan? No, I was brought to meet some of these artisans Ah! I was part of a group What is an artisan? They're guys who make pots Maybe I'm not... Let me finish this story I want to be an artisan and don't wanna be analyst anymore

2:18:29 Alright, finish your story. I don't know if you have any skills so you're a better analyst So anyway, meanwhile there's very few of us that are chewing on it but i'm chewing on this fine and wandering around We visited some places and then we have to come down back...we have to walk up a hill and down a hill in order to get back to the bus And uh..I am walking past these kids who are 20 years younger than me and they're bent over trying to catch their breath And it was like, and I just breezed right by them. And go get in the bus and wait for them to finally drag their sorry asses to the bus because they're pooped! Because they can't... They wouldn't... Oh we can't... It's illegal! It's like what is wrong with you people? And it's still a good story. And did you go hey girls as you walked by

2:19:20 You know, you think this story is so funny. I think it's pathetic because you have a situation where you have a very positive product and the coca leaf tea is a great product It's and it's like his thought of cocaine which isn't bullcrap at this somehow there's that come okay? Let me explain why the whites funny So your story's never tight. It's like my uncle Don, I've heard him tell the Shito Bajo story ten times and it's funny every single time and when you tell a story it's the combination of you painting the picture and the chatroom comments that really bring it to life Screw the chat room! I like it no I'm sad I wasn't there

2:20:13 You would have loved it. It's great I would have been like, drugs? Hand it over! Let's do it JCD we're high! Not drugs They serve coca leaf tea in the airport lounge I know No you are debunking great myths and I just like that these idiot Gen Xers were like oh man thats coke I can't have that That's funny When they saw you doing it didn't someone go wait a minute No, they're just an old Berkeley hippie. I don't know what they're thinking. Alright so the worst of Berkeley people... Anyway Artisans! I'm an entertainment artisan Well i like that. I like your stories. I really do. I'm not telling that story again ever Oh please. I'll make sure you bring it up So anyway there's a couple things I wanted to mention in this second half before we get into the spinning mummy Whoa hold on a second You can't just go to second half without the official

2:21:17 So talking about my anecdotes, did I ever mention the story where I worked with Dianne Feinstein? No, the douchebag of California? Yeah. Also Barbara Boxer both of them they were both on the air pollution district board of directors and did a bunch of things for them and The hearing board I believe and and I've always thought that two things to things we're noteworthy one is that this is like long time ago But Barbara boxer was always trying to pick up the air pollution inspectors And it's you know as naming dry right like sex yes

2:22:06 Whoa really Barbara boxer yeah, no is she still look at I mean she looks like it. You know the type but anyway better story Imagine her 20 years young Yeah, oh she looks totally slutty you're so right is she married? I don't know I can follow her career Can I just say something if what were you married at the time? I never to do a driver home because i was warned but these guys didn't like it she there were she was very pushy. But 20 years ago come on and I would have done her? Well you probably would have yeah so anyway so here's the story the better stories that Dianne Feinstein story, So we have a... It is actually longer than twenty years ago since shows really she was really young. So Diane..So we have at the dispatch room which also as the file room

2:22:58 And so there's a couple women dispatchers in the file room and it was, it just got no windows. It's in the middle of the place is horrible So they decided that the women decide they're gonna keep the back door open so they get some sunlight in there and it's a nicer place Once they opened the back door and left it open, inspectors would commonly go into the file part of this operation and steal files. They'd just take them because then they wouldn't check them out because what's the point? Pain in the ass. Right pain in the ass I'll bring you back later So that women working in the dispatch office cause they were responsible for all these missing files They put a chain across the door. They bolted a chain to keep guys from coming in and out but they kept the door open

2:23:44 Feinstein with all her wisdom she comes rolling in and she sees the chain and she sees the women and she makes a big stink saying why are they chaining the door to lock these women in place it's disgusting It's sexist. Right and no one would try to explain to her that this was, no this was the keep the inspectors from coming in and out and casually grabbing files which is a huge problem but no she would have none of it The chain had to be removed so they had to close the door So they locked these girls back up into this dark room And this is kind of idiot that she is

2:24:25 So, you have to take... always assume she's a dummy. And the point I'm gonna make here is that here are idiotic suppositions about Snowden Let's play that first Okay I was so into the story. I had actually thought that China would see this as an opportunity to improve relations and extradite him to the United States. China clearly had a role in this, in my view. I don't think it was just Hong Kong without Chinese acquiescence I think his choice of Moscow was interesting. What's interesting is that he was taken off in a car and his luggage in a separate car,

2:25:08 Wow. Alright, so this bullcrap. There's not a single fact in there! Not a single fact? No none of it is all bullshit and whatever she heard in the... She's the head of the intelligence committee for the Senate So she gets to hear everything and they the other guy who was also a stooge which is Mike Rogers as the head of the Intelligence Committee for the house and both of these people Mike Rogers in particular I believe actually think they're spies Yeah They have all this

2:25:57 information that the rest of Congress does not have and they're essentially working for the agencies that they're supposed to be doing oversight on. And this is explained in a clip called capture theory, that public administrators know about and if you play the capture theory clip you can see what's happening here why these people are essentially useless in these jobs. ...and certifications...the court has pretty limited discretion in denying that order And also, more generally there's a concept in public choice theory called regulatory capture. The idea here is that a regulatory agency that works very closely with a particular regulated industry will often get captured by that industry and in effect the regulation will become not a way of checking the industry but a form of serving its interest because that's who the regulators are spending most of their time talking to I think there's a lot evidence to suggest something similar

2:26:48 may have happened with the FISA court, which again is meeting in secret with one side kind of continuously. One tidbit of evidence here right is that we know initially the kind of bulk metadata surveillance that we've seen disclosed in these orders was done just according to presidential directive without court order and so you ask well why if the court can do this and this legal under the Patriot Act, would you not just have gone that route from the beginning? And I think the answer seems to be pretty clearly no one in fact thought initially that the Patriot Act had authorized this kind of bulk collection brought as it was. But once that was underway and had been going on for a while, um, the court was able to be sort of brought around into signing off on it even though no one had initially imagined

2:27:39 something that was within their power to authorize. So he brings up this capture theory which I thought explains to me at least why when you hear Mike Rogers or you hear Feinstein, the head of these committees these intelligence oversight committees they don't talk like anyone who's doing oversight literally lorded over everybody else, Rogers in particular and they just think they're working for the CIA. They think they're oh I'm a spy! I know all this cool stuff and Rogers is the worst example of this and his other buddy that other guy that's on the committee and they come out and lorde it over everyone we know what's going on we've heard this stuff behind closed doors take our word for it

2:28:25 and this is they have been captured by the intelligence community. They should all be fired from the intelligence oversight committees, and they should put new people in who are not captured into at least do some real oversight. This is terrible! Like us Yeah, we should do it. We'd be great. But Feinstein's a perfect example everything she said in that little gossipy thing was somebody told her in secret and she's just kind of revealing some of it you know the two cars and all they rest of who would know this yeah Anyway I find these people to be disgusting Abhorrent is what I think is the word your looking for. I was going say that but then... I think the word abhorrent is a good word invalid in this case

2:29:07 I need to switch some gears now, and I would like you to acknowledge the fact that I have been very good at not starting off every sentence with so. You've been great at it. I should acknowledge that i was about to say amazing once in the show and then said astounding Yes, but you also have been saying so quite a bit It's on my secondary list. I try this in my daily life its extremely difficult Bring the bell if you hear me singing Please we can't have the...it is called No Agenda not The Bell Show Quick move over to Europe. I just need to get some international news in here and then maybe if you're interested we can talk about some local Texas news In Euro land a couple things going on first of all the Germans are now saying well, you know according to the ESM which is this European stability mechanism Which I was all on for months and months and months And then they passed it at two years early

2:30:10 They expect that any bank bailout in Germany will also require at least an 8% tax on anyone who has their money in the German Bank. I think this is quite astounding news! Wow! Yeah, and so they're really making a big deal out of this. You know... Who's they? The Bundeskanzlei. Bank bailout. Germany requires compulsory levy of eight percent And this is being discussed at the Bundesbank. But it turns out, it's all part of the ESM which is kind of what we were saying and this was rushed through and everyone was like oh yeah great great great! It'll save everything but... ...it's coming out of the slaves very own pockets and so I think we can expect to see this happen very soon

2:31:05 since they are talking about it more and more. Along with that comes a set up interview, very funny Haiku Herman the outgoing president of the United States of Europe and Haiku Herman this is when he was at the G8 and he had a camera crew with a blonde who is asking fake questions by fake citizens of Europe Only for him to tell you exactly what's going to happen. Now, they've been talking about this tax avoidance that people are stealing from their fellow European citizens by not paying tax

2:31:43 In this particular one minute interview where the Haiku Herman answers the question, he's really telling you that they that the European government in Brussels is going to know everything about your money. Where it comes from and this is about total control of view as an individual. Hello Europe! Mr. President, we have a question from Johan who is asking how does the EU plan to tackle tax fraud and tax havens? Sounds like a question Johan would ask doesn't it John? Of all the questions I could ask the president of Europe that would be hey how are you going to tackle that! First and foremost this is national competence

2:32:23 and we see big difference inside the Union on the results of the fight against tax fraud and tax avoidance. When you compare the so-called black markets, you see a huge divergence in the Union some have highly developed black economies or parts of the economy are black and others haven't that at all or mostly not nearly at all So the effectiveness of tax authorities is absolutely key and to strengthen tax authorities, to make them more effective, to strengthen also the legislation is absolutely key in the fight against tax fraud and tax avoidance. Now at a union level they were decided on automatic exchange of information

2:33:13 on savings first and that we are already working on this automatic exchange since 2005. And now we are broadening the scope to all kinds of incomes, also incomes of employment for instance. Capital gains, royalties dividends and hopefully we will have that kind of automatic exchange of information starting from 2015. So we are not touching upon the tax levels it's not an exercise in tax harmonization it is the automatic exchange of information between the countries

2:33:52 And of course the removal of cash from the equation because that's how you get the black markets as he was saying. This is a total clampdown on Europe, total! Oh yeah well you know the thing is it that the solution to tax fraud which is illegal and tax avoidance which really isn't... It's simple and I don't understand why they go through all this trouble when they can solve the problem quite quickly and quite easily By killing everybody? Wealth tax. Wealth tax, yeah! Yeah that's it baby That's the ticket. Well that's what they do in Switzerland wealth tax you taxed the wealth You don't tax income Income is crazy to tax people are trying to get wealthy so they can tag be taxed but its like

2:34:36 just like the 8% across the board. That's no good! No, it should be a wealth tax to be your total wealth should be taxed at certain amounts not that much and it will until you make a couple million dollars a year your taxes will actually go down and super wealthy will get there sitting on their money. And are you just gonna keep saying this until I'm dead too? We're all dead because never going happen they're gonna do this They want to steal your money. They want to steal your money! Not interested in fairness. There is that... Have you been following- Why are you listening all this cool stuff? You know, you've got a lot of good clips today I have to say. Well, I have a little more... Well, I want to just take a break here and show you the unfortunate situation that i was in because I ended up picking up some clips that are just dreadful horrible. Let's not play them! Let's not play them! So you know what agony I'm going through? No, come on! Not the spinning mummy. No, that's later. The classic Fox

2:35:33 The classic Fox name-calling clip. This is what he listened to on Fox. Larry, for President Barack Hussein Obama. Sign the petition Tamara to call for the resignation of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer this nation because he lied in her oath when he criminalized journalism and you know we did it but you refuse to do what's right But I really hope that when you speak to a judge you don't point your finger in the person's face the entire time by making your point. Your finger does not Whose fingers are in my face right now? Mine! Because I'm telling you shut up

2:36:18 But anyway, I mean you shut up know your role and shut your mouth my role is a woman. Yeah nevermind Shake hands and make friends. I don't shake my own rolls no oh See you guys calling takes the place of reason Taking lessons from Michelle Malkin on how to call all right Okay, don't ever do that to me again. And I am putting my finger in your face Don't ever make me listen to that again That is that is just a whole minute and three seconds of my life wasted Yeah we've heard that bit before I know I know I try Come on! This is the kind of thing... this is Fox These guys are beside themselves because they have to go after Snowden Let me deconstruct something for you. I'm done with it. I'm so done with Snowden I'm so done with look bottom line

2:37:14 The government is spying on your ass, you're a slave. Shut up! Now let's just laugh about some other things. I can tell you are very annoyed by this total lack of information. You grew up in... By the coverage? With the coverage. You grew up in a different era with different types of newsmen because there were all men at that time and you are very annoyed by this lack of coverage but you cant make up for it I can make up for it with this clip to show you how clamped down this is. And by the way, the clip you're going to listen to... This item, this product ShotSpotter, was in Boston when all that craziness was coming about and nobody ever said can we look at the Shotspotter data because we could have solved some very interesting questions about these two guys running around

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2:39:05 Shotspotter is the critical first step in stopping gun violence. Shotspotter enhances every aspect of law enforcement operations, providing unprecedented situational awareness for faster and safer response. Are they sending us a check? They should. You can play the whole thing or not, but the point is that unbeknownst to most people this system is in almost every major city it's in Oakland, it's in San Francisco It's all over the place I need to ask you a question One of my military contacts sent me a link about this particular product and the link was directly to page about all the cities that this is in

2:39:51 Where did you get this from and why because I think there's something that someone is trying to communicate something to me. Looked at this. I saw this I saw this commercial and like okay Why is why is my contact all? I know is that this would have did the Boston situation The shot spotter data would have told us what was really going on with that bullcrap That that that theater that they were playing where they apparently took the one brother And they brought him down, and there was holding him down and then the other brother while a guy was standing right there with a gun This is the way the story was told ran him over

2:40:29 And they didn't shoot the guy in the car. Where did you get the link? Where did you find out about this product? Probably from the same guy who sent you that links only I went through all of them Hmm, I was fascinated by this thing because it's a little it's a little box with a it's got a recorder or some sort It's a triangulation system for the whole city. It's been around there's like long time It also just basically listens to everything that's going on. It's not just for shots. I mean this is I don't think you can pick up a guy talking. No, no that's impossible sure I got Mickey got a new iPhone Because we got the upgrade from AT&T for being such a loyal customer Yeah So I went to the Apple Store That's why we also the genius borrow this crap and so now installed on your iPhone is giant voice system

2:41:22 So the president can talk to your iPhone. What? Yes, so pre-installed you get Amber alerts and emergency alerts and you can turn those off but you can't turn off the presidential alerts. AT&T and they're gonna do it on all phones that now the president can essentially press a button and talk to all of you on his phone Wow yeah take that shot spotter Wow. Yeah, yeah this is a scandal please have you been following this Paula Deen thing because I certainly wasn't? Yeah i was kind of off handedly following it but why don't care because she's just another celebrity chef on the food network and seems like a lot of publicity for them in that idea well how interesting cuz that's what I thought

2:42:16 Until one of a very insistent producer was like, you know You got to look at this thing. You gotta look at this thing Like did you and hit what he basically was saying? Was did you realize that The so-called she used the n word which we can't use in America But it's somewhere she said nigger I love having a podcast because you can say that and not get fired It's just a fucking word people Um, in context it's okay to say this. And but she said this like 15 years ago. This is not like she's walking around the Food Network office going hey nigga get me this nigga! It's not like what happened so why is she being railroaded? That was basically the question my producer put to me and I'm like okay and so you go back and look and she was in the news around February Why was she in the news in February do you recall

2:43:12 No, but you're gonna tell me. She had type 2 diabetes and yeah I remember that right and then from that she became the voice of Victoza and Victoza is a is from Novartis it is a diabetes drug And she became, along with her sons I think. She became the spokesperson for this drug and you can see it at the voices of Victoza and she's all over this thing all over the place. So I'm like okay that might be interesting and then here is the news from June 25th headline, Victoza in its crosshairs Eli Lilly primes for marketing duel

2:44:02 As the dust settles from the American Diabetes Association meeting this week, a marketing battle is brewing. Data presented at the Big Confab suggested that Eli Lilly's experimental GLP-1 analogue DeLagLitude is largely on par efficacy wise with some of its would be competition There is a huge marketing war underway and we know what these drugs are. Are you kidding me? Type 2 diabetes, we know that Lipitor even out of patent the revenues from Lipitor is $2 billion more than the entire music industry one drug so type two diabetes and then

2:44:44 I find this little gem from the Wall Street Journal. and told socially inappropriate jokes in her past. The question now is will Novo Nordisk, a pharmaceutical company that uses Dean to endorse its type 2 diabetes drug be next? It doesn't look good for Dean. Novo Nordisk has put a lot of resources into corporate diversity and sponsoring events that bring diabetes testing and awareness to events that target African Americans and other racial minorities who are disproportionately impacted by Type II Diabetes."

2:45:27 It's obvious. If you want to kill your competition, take the spokesperson and you're going and your market is black people African-Americans... Yeah? Then go after your spokesperson! She's a racist!! So did you or were you stunned by this revelation? I'm stunned that no one has put it together Oh okay well as we've done on the entire show today pointed out questions aren't asked The conclusions aren't drawn the obvious is ignored and now you just bring another one And then I'd like to I like to finally wind up from my end, and I got clips. Wait a minute I got this I just got one thing to say just want to finalize this when when we started podcasting

2:46:16 It truly is a revolutionary thing, even though it's not all that complicated and these days it's getting so much easier. You can basically throw an MP3 file in an email... I mean when this started in 2004 Took hours to download stuff, we had always on computing but nothing was fast and the world has changed so dramatically. There is a group of people I am convinced we are serving that we are serving better than the entire mainstream publishing industry in particular because we deliver this information for free

2:46:55 No charge. No commercials? If you find that there's some value in the program, we'd love to receive something back. Money is very important because we have no other jobs and John you seem to be getting increasingly less work. You're getting fired from every column your writing The end is near. It's ageism! Yes, of course it's ageism. It's just an observation but yes so this is what we do I have no other plans you know yeah you know will try and put a podcast device together or some you know prep for SDR ham thing but there was always something to do but isn't that I think the days of hey I made a million bucks that's over listen that's not happening anymore I will be doing this until I fall down I'm pretty sure of it

2:47:44 I had no idea, but there is in Marrakesh right now a huge conference. A douchebag conference. The diplomatic conference to conclude a treaty to facilitate access to published works by visually impaired persons and persons with print disabilities. Steve you wonder has come out with a little video. This has been going on for decades, decades to get this done and what it is should be evident but I'll let him talk for second here. In 2019 I spoke to Francis Curry who gave me an update on your negotiations. I was pleased to hear that you're working very hard in that everyone is committed to leaving Marrakesh with an agreement

2:48:30 This is music to my ears, and you all know how much I love me some music. I promised Francis that I would come to Marrakesh for a special celebration if a treaty that meets the expectations of the world's blind and visually impaired is concluded Okay, so he goes on for a bit there and of course the end you always see sync sign seal delivered I'm yours. So Stevie Wonder is saying if you guys get this deal together, I will come to Marrakesh And I'll do a free concert for y'all do whatever it takes. I'll blow you and please because what is happening? Is the publishers of the world refuse to refused to publish 90, more than 95% of all published works are not published in print challenged formats because they're afraid that the gooky eyed motherfuckers are going to steal their work. Steal their copyrights

2:49:25 How sad is it? What, is that what it says? It says gooky eyed motherfuckers right here in the document. No no besides your profanity. Yes! But it says they're afraid its going to be ripped off? Mindful of the challenges that are pre... Hold on a second let me get the logic straight because I want to ask this simple question you don't have a version for the blind because if the blind gets a version Which they can't, they're not buying anything now so there's no money being lost in this deal and if they start passing it around amongst themselves the blind version of braille version or spoken word version. They're gonna just pass it around themselves are going to steal it but they're not buying it now what are they stealing? It's the passing it around and the audio versions that these guys are so fearful off So they are going to make official

2:50:18 Nonprofit organizations who will be sanctioned who will be able to make this material available There has to be all kinds of DRM They're so afraid that they can't sell more than one copy because you know these blind people Turns out they like hang out in groups. You know these fuckers Can you believe them? They hang out in groups and they trade stuff amongst themselves think so How are we gonna sell individual copies to all of them we can't make enough money on them that is what it that is exactly I have the documents here it would in blue my fucking mind John barely since you're I'm yeah like a truck driver it's the Tourette's it's the Tourette's it's really the Tourettes it just blew me

2:51:06 Away, and I've highlighted this document you could look at it in the show notes under the war on the blind It was just appropriate Right yeah And and and actually I have to be honest. I was looking at it like where is there an opportunity for us Can we do like audiobook versions of stuff and get a special deal? You can we do something that I'm like what am I talking about we do This service, specifically for visually impaired blind gookie-eyed people. Hello! We love y'all. This is a fantastic service for them. What are you talking about? The No Agenda podcast? Yes! It's the best service. I mean can you imagine where they get some history book in braille? Great yeah that'll be factual that will be true

2:52:02 We're going to get the New York Times and Braille? Oh, I bet. Yeah! How sad is it that our fellow human homo sapiens who cannot get true information in a topical accessible manner so i will so i welcome you and if you know anyone who was blind or print challenged or whatever all the politically correct words are let's turn them on to The No Agenda Podcast this is a huge market we can go after I think we've already got a good piece of it. Oh, i'm sure we have some but this needs to be shared because you're being screwed people! There are bunch of elitist pricks in Marrakesh and nice little conference... Yeah, let's do a conference in Marrakesh That'll keep the hoi polloi away Right Well now that you mention that this great service were doing I think its about time we played the clip The spinning mummy

2:53:04 What you're seeing has yet to be explained. This ancient Egyptian statue appears to be spinning on its own, as seen in time-lapse footage from the Manchester Museum. The nearly 4,000 year old statue has been part of the museum's collection for 80 years and has never moved until recently Ancient Egyptians believed this type of statuette could act as a vessel for spirits, but the exhibit's curator thinks even the ancient Egyptians would have been surprised by the strange occurrence. Some logical explanations could be vibrations from cars outside or foot traffic in the museum, but that doesn't explain why it moves in a perfect circle

2:53:54 Whatever the answer, the phenomenon is sure to draw more visitors to the exhibit. I had the same one, and you've got to hear this because it's... And did you see that? You saw the video. I take it right oh yeah a little thing spinning around but in the video I had I thought it was like six feet tall and then they show that is just like it's like yes a little bitty things like eight inches tall right And it's spinning. It's spinning! And of course this is all bullcrap, but this was only done to get this poor museum some more customers because everyone wants to see the spinning mummy and so it's like...and its such...it's shameless! Shameless!! Yeah and that passes for actual news and entertainment people

2:54:48 That's what it is. Without question, nobody said well why don't you put a guard on it? Why don't have somebody standing there? Why don't you put a camera on it running not time-lapse but just have it running because obviously somebody coming in there and they're moving it to take another picture and move it some more It's so phony! And they play it straight and may have spirits in it What kind of presentation is this for the public? This shameless plug from the museum Bogative story. It's disgusting and both of us saw it how horrible is that? What a reason was being played all over the place There is a public relations agency that was behind this Yeah, so I don't think I can oops sorry I did it I don't know if I get if I can I don't think we have enough time for today to get into the big abortion bill debate here in Texas

2:55:41 No, we'll do it on this Sunday show and I also want you and everyone else to go look at something kind of interesting that was revealed recently. Most of the work that's done for the NSA, CIA all the people who are profiling all these bad actors they're kept track of is not being kept track by any of these agencies if your a bad person You're in the dossiers of the State Department, a special operation that's been around for years and nobody ever talks about called the Bureau of Intelligence and Research. And it is the INR, intelligence research managed by Assistant Secretary Phillip Goldberg This is a major operation that has never discussed Well Bernstein & Woodward We're done What was the point of that?

2:56:33 I just want people to get clued in because i'm going to look into this. Oh okay, this is a tease it's a tease for Sunday. It's a tease for Sunday all right well anyway um sorry about Nelson Mandela because he'll be dead by sunday yeah we need a Deadpool on on this now the he's already dead they just needed Obama to get there and he's dead Obama's gonna be by his side as he dies. Yeah, yeah How about that for an idea? That well that boy yes hello That's how we started the whole show As end of show okay, we don't even have time for an end-of-show clip I wanted to play

2:57:13 We'll do all this on Sunday. You know what you got to come back on Sunday, you really do Because we only get the music going there because we've really got all kinds of groovy stuff for you John's gonna be working on On the INR which I had not heard of Will have more stories about chewing leaves with hookers in the Andes or whatever it was and I would love to give you my analysis of Senate Bill 5 of the Texas legislature, which seemingly thousands of people were able to organize around stopping that and all these other atrocities just go on and oh it's all good for your security. So I don't know...I think we need to look at our priorities. I'd love to discuss that because no other news outfit can have a frank conversation We can! Why? Because you support us

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