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00:00 The name of the talk show is Legally Drunk. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday June 9th 2013 time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 520! This is no agenda. Celebrating the miracle of Swazilov this morning here in the Travis Heights hideout in Austin Texas capital drone star state in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where it's cold and miserable I'm John C. Dvorak We had a huge rainstorm this morning here I mean like just all of us and you know, and don't you hate it when yeah There you go. Don't you hate it when you spend an hour the day before? Doing things like I don't know washing the car That's that's waterings watering the lawn. You can't wash your car It is not even my car

00:57 It's Miss Mickey's car. You know, she's coming back so I... Oh so you're making the car? Not just the car! I got flowers in the house and I am totally... So she is finally coming tonight? Yes. She'll be there tomorrow probably. What's next flight? She is going to go through Atlanta. Well if she gets stuck in Atlanta that's good news because we have about 10 producers in Atlanta who will pick her up. I'd love to party with her. Yeah, well you're snappy today. Oh hold on John before we do anything We need to play our new theme song from they might be Giants You've heard of these guys right? Yeah course I think these guys are so awesome. They get it may be giants yes is true. They really get it and

02:04 And they had this out, I can't remember. This has been a while! Yeah well this is not news we're gonna talk about this right off the bat No no no no We might as well you got this song No no no no no no we have to ease into it because i have uh... I'm going to satisfy everyone with the value that im going to provide today Because I have a theory on it all Why don't we ease into it though With a little bit of fun at our president's expense Oh, well I'm always game for that. So the president had a little press thingy it wasn't really intended to be much of a press thingy about specifically about the PRISM and all of this spying that people are talking about it was about Obamacare and if you were ever invited to stand behind the president

02:58 You really got to think about if you want to do this. Did you see this particular press conference? Not with the guy standing back there mugging. No, there were four people and they fell asleep. Well if you watch them after about five minutes they zombify You get these starry eyes and one guy's head is cocked to the right the whole time. I don't know why they, this is a bad idea. You should always say Ed that's alright man I don't need be on stage with the president that's okay I'll just sit here in the audience so what happened right off the bat it was exhilarating and wonderful to watch

03:34 because the stage manager forgot to hand the president, not just hand the president his script but put it onto the podium. And oh and the president was not happy with this I mean he...I would say that he came close to throwing a celebrity tantrum And here's what happened. Morning everybody, it is wonderful to see all of you and I want to thank everybody who is here. I think there's only one problem and that is that my remarks are not sitting here. People! This is the sign of a man who was very frustrated and stuff bubbling under when you talk like this to your staff

04:21 and you call them people, and you say, People? People! Hello now people. And Ed McMahon apparently isn't in the audience yucking it up for him. You know things by Friday afternoon things get a little a little challenged. I'm gonna have, answer a question... So it's interesting that he knows already he is going to answer A question at the end of the remarks but i want make sure that we get their remarks out people? People! What does this mean to you John when someone does that to his staff

04:59 Well, I think it could be taken as a light-hearted kind of thing. No, no, did you see? He's getting big laughs! Yeah but when you...no not the second time and his face was mad he was mad But really the whole thing he can't even start he can just start to ad lib a little bit Just a teeny weeny bit. Or, say hold on a second I'll be right back just get off the stage and dude where's my script or where are my remarks? This is what it's called now... Remarks! Yes yeah i have some remarks with this movie I'm doing oh goodness oh goodness Oh somethings tripping

05:39 Folks are folks are sweating. Did you hear someone said don't fire him? Did you hear that it's very the very interesting moment I felt this but folks folks are sweating those people right now Well, good morning everybody Good morning So we fast forward through all of all the stuff and then there's the shill And we know that there's always a shill who's going to ask a question here or there But there was only one question and one shill Thank you very much. I'm going to take one question and then remember people are gonna have opportunities also answer questions when i'm with the Chinese president today so I don't want the whole day to just be a bleeding press conference but I'm gonna... Bleeding press conference? Is he now British all of a sudden and instead of saying fucking press conference it's a bleeding or is there actual blood involved, what does this mean

06:34 That's odd. Right? Yeah, yeah. Take a... Why don't you say, he could have said sh... You know start using scheisskopf. Some other terms Scheisskopf? This is not an outstanding word! No I'm just saying if he's gonna start swearing in kind of offhanded foreign ways He should definitely mix it up a bit is what your saying Yeah Scheisskoff Merde So this doesn't turn into a merde Jackie calms question now Jackie calms interesting so he calls on one reporter one reporter only and she is a reporter if and He's he pronounces it combs, and it took me a while to find out who he's talking about So the New York Times got got the 1g Oh figure How does that work of all the people in the room The New York Times gets to ask the question and listen specifically to how she phrases her question

07:33 For the newspaper of record, I would have to say quite shameful. Is she reporting for a high school newspaper? Wow! Can you also assure the American people that you don't, I mean is this leading the witness or how does that qualify as an actual question? Can you ensure the American people that you don't have some massive database that your spying on all you have to do is say no. That was whoa New York Times huh okay now let's go into uh... I have to say it always happens with this guy but here we go and people pay attention yeah when I came into this office

08:31 I've made two commitments that are more important than any commitment. Okay, do we need to play his oath again John? Is it is at that time where we think so yeah okay, actually I was I did forgot to put that in my Hold on I'll have in two seconds damn So the two things that he promised you would expect it would be equal to the oath that he took when he was sworn in on his inauguration day and right so that's not gonna happen I don't have it for you now number one to keep the American people safe what that's the number one thing? That's not, that's not what is says. I Barack Hussein Obama do solemnly swear... ...That I will faithfully execute... ...The office of President of the United States... ...And will to the best of my ability

09:29 Preserve, protect and defend. The American people. The Constitution of the United States. So help you God? Congratulations Mr President. I've made two commitments that are more important than any commitment I make. Number one to keep the American people safe and number two to uphold the Constitution. He forgets a couple things there, what happened to protect and defend? Does he think you just have to hold it up in the air like this every night I'll pull that thing like this just put it up there in the air no Mr President nowhere in the Constitution or in article 2 does it state that you have to defend and protect the American people you can appoint

10:15 You can you can do meetings, meetings with- you are the Commander in Chief which means you get to Do meetings. Okay? Unless you want to get on like a horse and go out there and be in front with a saber then I'll give you a little slack or cut you some slack on that but no No, that is not your job. The American people defend the American people. Am I correct John? You are the constitutional lawyer in this view. Absolutely! And that includes what i consider to be a constitutional right to privacy and no no now you see it's it's not really a constitutional right to privacy it's a con you already have the rights of privacy uh... the government is not allowed to encroach that rights this is very very disturbing that the constitutional law professor president obama continuously propagates his mean this isn't deserved an observance of civil liberties

11:14 The programs that... Alright, so he's full of just nothing but slippery stuff in this. To me this was just comedy gold, this whole speech it was 15 minutes and I just broke it down little 30 second bits So this is about the uh we're getting into prism John and I do want to hear what you're thinking about um so He said-the words matter with this guy We know this! So let's listen to his exact words When it comes to telephone calls Nobody is listening to your telephone calls. I think he's telling the truth here, however what he saying is no one's listening to him He didn't say they're not being recorded To get listened too later Yeah, that's what going on Exactly This whole thing has been an exercise in obfuscation

12:03 You know, the oh there's no direct connection. There are all these key buzzwords that have been used to defend them. This is out of control." Well it gets a little better when and I thought this to me where he uses the very same reporter Jackie Combs as an example And if you were talking to me this way i'd be like Are you threatening me? Anybody in government wanted to go further than just that top line data and wanted to, for example listen to Jackie Calm's phone call. That could happen Jackie. They'd have to back to... You might be nodded at Jude, Jackie!

12:39 federal judge I don't think I like the way you ask that question Jackie yeah no so here it is we all know what Ben I think was Benjamin Franklin I'll paraphrase I have there's multiple versions of his quote but Benjamin Franklin one of the great statesmen in America and a guy who flew a kite in a lightning storm said if you and those who trade security for privacy or privacy for security really deserve neither And our president, what he said here really just blew me away. I specifically said that one of the things we're going to have to discuss and debate is how are we striking this balance between the need to keep the American people safe which is not a need I guess or maybe it is in an anti-state and our concerns about privacy Our concerns about privacy John? It's just a concern

12:03 You know, the oh there's no direct connection. There are all these key buzzwords that have been used to defend them. This is out of control." Well it gets a little better when and I thought this to me where he uses the very same reporter Jackie Combs as an example And if you were talking to me this way i'd be like Are you threatening me? Anybody in government wanted to go further than just that top line data and wanted to, for example listen to Jackie Calm's phone call. That could happen Jackie. They'd have to back to... You might be nodded at Jude, Jackie!

12:39 federal judge I don't think I like the way you ask that question Jackie yeah no so here it is we all know what Ben I think was Benjamin Franklin I'll paraphrase I have there's multiple versions of his quote but Benjamin Franklin one of the great statesmen in America and a guy who flew a kite in a lightning storm said if you and those who trade security for privacy or privacy for security really deserve neither And our president, what he said here really just blew me away. I specifically said that one of the things we're going to have to discuss and debate is how are we striking this balance between the need to keep the American people safe which is not a need I guess or maybe it is in an anti-state and our concerns about privacy Our concerns about privacy John? It's just a concern

13:38 Because there are some trade-offs involved. No, no! There's no trade off. There shouldn't be any trade offs I welcome this debate Oh wait And...I think it is healthy for our democracy That's what got me This is healthy for our democracy John Trading privacy for security is a health sign of maturity It was probably five years ago six years ago we might not have been having this debate. And I think it's interesting that there are some folks on the left, but also some folks on the right who are now worried about it who weren't very worried about when he was a Republican president. I think thats good. That were having this discussion But I think its important for everybody to understand and I think the American people understand

14:32 Hold on a second. That's us John shit us in a shit isn't me do we? We think what that there are some trade-offs involved straight up Yeah, of course yeah no came in with a healthy skepticism about these programs No I think you came in actually with some promises about getting rid of these programs my team evaluated them We scrubbed them thoroughly we actually expand what does that mean we scrubbed them and I mean, you know most of my clips have got stuff like this in them. Somebody using a word, a screwball word it's like why are they doing this? Yeah go on. Increase some of the safeguards but my assessment and my team's assessment was that

15:26 they help us prevent terrorist attacks. And by the way, this is something that CEOs do a lot when they want to convince people of bullcrap They'll talk about the team You've probably heard this John in a company meeting Well my team or the team Hey it's the team man It's not just me it's the team The whole teams behind me We didn't elect your team okay? we elected you Not the team So of weird words This was And of course I had to look this one up, but this is a term when you're talking about breaking the law essentially or breaking the constitutional law. To use this term specifically was mind-boggling and the modest encroachments Okay let's look at some analogies of the term modest encroachment Do you have any John?

16:27 No, but I'm sure you do. No! Well...I just have one like don't worry baby it's only the tip. It's... I think that is a good analogy of modest encroachment on privacy that are involved in getting... Wait how did he even have a modest encroachment on privacy? Definition of encroach from I think this is Miriam Webster That'll suffice encroached to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions, or rights of another. But only modestly." So he is admitting to a crime! No... well yeah that's true but and

17:12 The way, if you look at the overall possibilities of encroachment on privacy this would be just that. Just a modest because it's only tapping your phones and listening to your calls there are no mics in your house there is no guy following around they're not taking pictures when you leave your house every one of these as one whole unit I could go on and on and on, they're not coming in to check your underwear. People aren't barreling into the house just to sit with you at dinner." So there's all these possibilities that they're not doing... It's modest yes it is very modest. Only this one little thing which is tapping your phone and listening in No no no! Not listening, not listening. They are not listening yet But it isn't encroachment so he is infact admitting to breaking constitutional law

18:04 I mean, if you take the words by their definition. Phone numbers or duration without a name attached and not looking at content that... Not looking at content? No! You don't look at a phone call. You listen to a phone call or it's transcribed maybe that's what he means that we're not looking at the transcription of it yet on net It was worth us doing. That's... It was worth doing? Why was it worth doing, you didn't accomplish anything. Oh no hold on now hold on Worth us doing Some other folks may have a different assessment of that All folks who have a different assessment raise your hand without talking But I think it is important to recognize that You can't have 100% security and also then have 100% privacy And zero inconvenience That's perfect

19:04 Benjamin Franklin just threw up. I don't know what happened, I just puked all over myself in my grave You know, we're going to have to make some choices as a society. Make some choices as a society! So he's done and remember that he was only going to answer one question and if you watch the video he leaves the stage but he has forgotten to address the whole reason behind this coming out...the leak so some dude Just yells out And and you know how the president has been when people yell stuff out, and he says I'm gonna do one question in one question Only he keeps walking. He just leaves doesn't come back, and he went you can see him go oh crap Thank you guys

20:02 Oh shit, alright. Yeah whoa I don't welcome leaks He forgot to mention this so they have a souffleur sitting in the- The reporter was botched he should've let him go But this wasn't even a reporter! This was just one of the dudes A staffer Yes a souffleur isn't that what it's called? Someone who sits in a little box on stage when you forget your lines Maybe, I think he's under the stage with a little trap door. You see his head? He has a little trap door open up... No you don't say that! What is my line?! It would be funny if Obama just said guys i'm up what's my line That would be funny Because there's a reason why these programs are classified. Yeah. You know I think that there is a suggestion that somehow any classified program

20:59 a quote-unquote secret program which is somehow suspicious. Yes, fact of the matter if you are the most transparent government in history yes that's suspicious in our modern history there There are a whole range of programs that have been classified because when it comes to, for example fighting terror. Oh! Terror? I mean he almost is saying terror like George Bush now. What's so funny is that he's talking about those leaked documents that got on the net right? The five slides probably of 20 slides. Well they didn't exactly just get on the net yeah but that's what he's talking about. Yeah they were planted or whatever but it says top secret at the bottom and it has all this other crap on there which none if its really

21:44 I don't see it was secret at all and i think we've known about this for a long time. Play some more of them, play em out! Our goal is to stop folks from doing us harm... Folks? Wait a minute if the folks are handing you the script and its folks are doing you harm who are the folks? At certain point you can't- You gotta stop saying they and you got identify you can just say folks. Every step that were taking try to prevent AQ on the F a terrorist act is on the front page of the newspapers or on television, then presumably the people who are trying to do us harm are going to be able to get around our preventive measures. That's why these things are classified

22:28 But, hmmm... There was one measure that wasn't even listed on there. It was just a blowout of when these guys started doing deals with Google. Exactly! Now let's wind it up as we play them out. People can trust not only the executive branch but also don't trust Congress and don't trust uh... federal judges are let me see how we do it i three for three i think that's not the king nailed him to make sure the were abiding by the constitution due process and rule of law then we're gonna have some problems yes exactly we have a problem we don't trust the executive office or congress for the federal judges i think they have plenty of reason to distrust my observation is that people who are involved in

23:12 America's national security. They take this work very seriously Yeah, they're not gonna screw you They cherish our Constitution And they actually know what it was in there The last thing they'd be doing is taking programs like this to listen to somebody's phone calls Now do you hear how his voice like he's almost laughing? Because I had to listen to several times where he said the last thing these people want to do is Listen Listen to somebody's phone calls. What is that all about? I don't know why even did this press conference it just seems like a bonehead move and so of course finally the His last statement is obviously the zinger and if people can't trust not only the executive branch We already did but also Don't trust Conrad we already did that one, so yeah, so we can't trust the government and

24:14 I just found this you're right this whole press conference to be weird ill-thought out The fact that I guess they were still making changes to his remarks or something. This isn't just something that gets forgotten Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure someone was changing something or adding something or well it's probably III would listen to the twerp and come out and when she took her thank you for putting me in the head of national security and I listened to the way she speaks. You mean Susan Rice? It took me a second, we were talking about the twerp. Okay yes. She talks like this when she talks to people

25:01 It's very weird. So she came out and I have a, it was just a long talk she gave but she took forever to get her words out and it's always this kind of stilted weird type of communication That's herky jerk and she threw a couple of weird terms in there too. I mean, play this thing and then...I think she was, I believe as the new honcho She is the one who was supposed to have the remarks ready, I'll bet! Mr President thank you so much. I'm deeply honored And humbled To serve our country As your National Security Advisor I am proud to have worked with you for more than six years

25:47 And I'm deeply grateful for your enduring confidence in me. As you've outlined, we have vital opportunities to seize and ongoing challenges to confront. We have much still to accomplish on behalf of the American people and I look forward to continuing to serve on your national security team to keep our nation strong and safe Tom it's been a real honor to work with Dan. You have led with great dedication, smarts and skill and you leave a legacy of enormous accomplishment all of us around the principals table will miss you

26:39 And I wish you and Kathy, and your family all the very best. Can I interrupt for one second? The chat room is pointing something out that we missed something with the president said here. He says if people can't trust the executive branch and don't trust Congress... That's interesting

27:23 That's a good catch. They can't trust and they don't trust me. Yeah, that was a good catch I like that. Eh yeah, I don't know quite what it means but... It's definitely interesting he would do it He is saying you can't trust me! That's-I think that is subliminal if people can't trust me because they can't Well I don't think you CAN trust him No no well so I've been laughing so SO hard at the Obama bots of just freaking out about this I mean just like totally totally freaking out Yeah, no and which is weird because this is not anything let me tell as a anecdote This is nothing new what they did and I wrote a column last Thursday's PC magazine You should read how people should read which is called Your telecom provider is the enemy. I don't think that was my title but anyway that No, they they

28:19 We know a couple of things and we've known a couple of things that the grabbing metadata is nothing new. I was shown in the early 1990s when i was in London with the PC Magazine UK, Interpol gave us a lecture on this And they showed how you can use metadata to develop personal networks. So, and they showed an example of Italian crime family. They had all the same thing that they collected here just phone who you called? How long was the call for? You could put all these numbers together then they had a network analysis map And they could figure out who the boss of the crime family was based on the way things fell, you know. And that's essentially all that has been going on and this is like not a big shocker to anybody who keeps up with this that we've been doing this The more interesting thing I pointed out in the column is what the big picture which is what you mentioned earlier

29:19 the recording of every call constantly and then storing them in this huge database at warehouses that they're building around the country. Mostly I think that monster in Utah, Colorado's got one so what what's fascinating to me though is that I guess even like Leo Laporte posted this whole thing on his Google Plus page where he's just outraged and like I gave you thousands people he's bitching at Obama for yes but of all people he should know what goes on in the technology world let me just play two quick clips because it's so funny to see people like chunk over there at where is he now at current TV who is without a doubt um he has always been pro-Obama. He tries to be fair but he's done a lot

30:09 really a lot of defending the president and he certainly is more left than right. He was incensed! Well that's not who we're supposed to be but that's exactly who Barack Obama is, that's who he is. Look people sometimes say oh no no you never promised not to spy on you yes he did he promised it right there in 08 campaign So like this is supposed to be a big faux pas and like, oh no don't do it. He lied! It's not subtle he said there will be no spying on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. He lied! There is spying on all of us and we're not suspected of a crime Barack Obama is a liar can I make it clear? Like that's like a big thing to say

30:58 This is funny because nobody spoke about the gitmo thing in fact I have a clip that combines two of these things okay which is the gitmo thing which by the way, I want to mention but they got a guy from The National Review on Bill Maher's crappy show And I'm going to, when i play my second clip from Bill Maher then you know why he said crappy. So here's the Guantanamo clip this is Bill Maher and Guantanamo so you get the national review guy talks about that this shouldn't be news to anybody and then he mentions a few things in them and then Maher cuts it off with this weird snide ending. In fact this sort of dragnet approach to these sorts of things goes back along long time we had in the nineteen nineties

31:42 possibly earlier than that. Oh yes, surveillance of computer networks phone records things like that in the 90s yeah before 9-11 we had a number of programs like this already going on it wasn't talked about as much at the time but they're not exactly new things you know you've got a lot of people on the right that are really taking advantage over there's an element of selective outrage I think there but it's also the fact that you did have a guy who campaigned for president saying, I won't tap your phones. I'm gonna get rid of this stuff in the Patriot Act we don't like. I'm going to close down Guantanamo Bay and all the rest of that stuff he's taken the George W Bush football and run with it and I think... He tried to close Guantanamo Bay Congress wouldn't let him so let's not spread bullshit right away

32:23 Okay. Oh wait, you're telling me that when he got into office and had owned the Senate and owned the House of Representatives and had the executive branch? He tried to close Guantanamo Bay but Congress... Yeah but John- Which is all Democrats wouldn't look at him?! If you wrote a million dollar check wouldn't you be pissed off now too? And wouldn't it be like trying to say anything to defend that money that you gave? It wasn't his fault man! I'm not dumb with my money All right, do we play this other thing here? No. No don't play that. Okay well can I play you then to Chris Matthews just because he's funny not because people watch him anymore He can't do anything but to take it to race all the time He always has to say it's... they don't want the black man in the White House But of all the things you can say as a person on a news channel

31:42 possibly earlier than that. Oh yes, surveillance of computer networks phone records things like that in the 90s yeah before 9-11 we had a number of programs like this already going on it wasn't talked about as much at the time but they're not exactly new things you know you've got a lot of people on the right that are really taking advantage over there's an element of selective outrage I think there but it's also the fact that you did have a guy who campaigned for president saying, I won't tap your phones. I'm gonna get rid of this stuff in the Patriot Act we don't like. I'm going to close down Guantanamo Bay and all the rest of that stuff he's taken the George W Bush football and run with it and I think... He tried to close Guantanamo Bay Congress wouldn't let him so let's not spread bullshit right away

32:23 Okay. Oh wait, you're telling me that when he got into office and had owned the Senate and owned the House of Representatives and had the executive branch? He tried to close Guantanamo Bay but Congress... Yeah but John- Which is all Democrats wouldn't look at him?! If you wrote a million dollar check wouldn't you be pissed off now too? And wouldn't it be like trying to say anything to defend that money that you gave? It wasn't his fault man! I'm not dumb with my money All right, do we play this other thing here? No. No don't play that. Okay well can I play you then to Chris Matthews just because he's funny not because people watch him anymore He can't do anything but to take it to race all the time He always has to say it's... they don't want the black man in the White House But of all the things you can say as a person on a news channel

33:17 The things that Chris Matthews says is just ludicrous. An ethnic scandal! Peter, again to you why do they get the idea if it isn't ethnic and I'll just leave the possibility of it's not? Why do they just assume evil on the part of Obama? I mean, he's raised his life. His whole life has been crystal clear and clean as a whistle and transparent We know his whole life through all the great excellent education He's had the good part working through a pro bono work. He's done throughout his life. He's never been a money grubber He's never done anything wrong in this life legally ethically whatever his family is picture-perfect the raise hold on I gotta stop, hold on. His school records are sealed. There's no evidence he ever went to Columbia He admitted to breaking the law by smoking weed and snorting coke.

34:09 about it well yeah in his book, he was born in Kenya so this you know there's definitely smudges everybody has smudges to say the least but to say he's clean as a whistle. Anything wrong with his life legally ethically whatever his family is picture perfect the way he raised those daughters that everything is clean as a whistle and yet they just refute They referred him as evil. They just referred him as a liar, I've got to believe it's ethnic with these people they just got a problem with this guy being president. Ethnic! Well is there any other evidence to justify why they keep calling him a bad man? Yeah he's a bad man Clean as a whistle. He should talk to Chunk. Liar, liar, liar! So Miss Mickey called... So he's the last holdout amongst the lefties because I mean even Democracy Now is all over this guy. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. Did you have something? Chris is the last hold out because he was the first guy who said ooh it makes my...I feel tingling up my leg. That's what he said. Yeah of course I remember. He loved the man so much

35:13 Got a man crush miss Mickey. I called uh spoke to her Friday or Saturday? Anyway, and so she told me what's going on. I said you know people are freaking out here She says well what and that's why tell the story about because that really hasn't it's only now starting to really pop in the in the press where We have a culture here in America where people yeah You're seeing it I'm getting messages from people saying man you were right is this guys the same And of course Huffington Post literally took a picture That was one of our album art pieces of work and put under it George W. Obama, I mean literally took what we used God two years ago maybe? I'm sure they just did a Google search with images and it came up with it and there was And so you're seeing the really truly the Obama boss just freaking out and so I tell Mickey this and she says

36:07 This is fantastic. I'm like, what do you mean? It's like everyone says no this is great because now people are good This is gonna be great for the show people are gonna wake up They're starting to figure things out as well That's a very positive way of looking at it III think that's great and I subsequently went okay I've got to find out what's really going on because this cannot this cannot be the truth This cannot be happening. I have a theory if you will... Well let me finish with what i was discussing earlier which was this column I wrote, we already knew about this network analysis thing that's been going on like this guy said the 90s which seemed to have stunned Bill Maher and I've seen the demo

36:46 in the 90s and what's going on now is this collection of, you have to listen to the end of this thesis. The collection of all phone calls all the time into this and like Obama says nobody's listening they're just collecting and I think this is genius by the way and I point this out in the column. The idea will be in the future that if they are going to subpoena your phone records, they will subpoena your old calls. Of course! They'll pull out the whole file of everything you've talked about since 2002 and they'll listen to it after they get the court order

37:24 but meanwhile it's already there and they are getting it's already there ready to be looked at if you get a warrant so you're gonna stick with the law here is what I think geniuses in i'd like to hear your argument is this if somebody gets a warrant to come into my house to look for evidence that i've been no done something can only can only look at for that one piece of everything going on at once you should watch they are looking for stuff that indicates something I already did. So it's actually looking into the past when they come into my house that's the argument you're going to use for these phone calls all we're doing is doing what we do with any other kind of warrant, were looking in the past We couldn't do that before! We could get a wire tap and we can start listening to you Wait a minute wait here we go let's look into the past

38:13 So you could go and grab all of Adam Curry's old phone calls that had been stored, and they're safe. Nobody has been listening to them but now with the court order I can't. And I'm doing the same thing as if I went into your house. thing. That's exactly what this is and they're going to get away with this, everybody's calls are gonna be recorded forever yes it's safe it's gonna be there it's not gonna be you know listened to but casually although that could happen by the way can't overlook that possibility This is the... You'll hear this now because I noticed this as well you will hear people talking about getting a court order

38:57 Not to listen to wire, the word is no longer wiretap it's go and listen to your calls. And I think you're spot on with this that everything has been recorded and they will go back and they will then subsequently have everything...and my god what a bunch of evidence do you have then? That's phenomenal! Yeah, and I would call this a reverse-wire. It's a post crime It's a post crime and you use a reverse wire. It just, it just geniuses right? And nobody is talking about this all they're talking about is this which is funny because they can't seem to defend themselves against this thing that has been going on since the 90s which is getting metadata from the phone companies

39:40 And I think by the way, getting the emails which they're doing the same thing with from Google and all these email providers. They're storing all that stuff too and that will be part when you get a warrant You also grab all of that old email that you've done on your Gmail This is why should have your own mail server by the way Yeah...which i think I had for the past five years Exactly Would you like to hear my theory, what I've uncovered? What I've come up with here on this because there's a lot of loose ends. You almost got the clip of the day for Chris Matthews. I want it to be something for value not just throw away. Lame guy! This guy is terrible Let's thank our producers first we have a very short list We do have long list being Swazilnaf Day so will get into that in moment Actually almost everybody was a... Was a swazilnaver

40:28 We broke the record, we'll do that later. But right now let's take a look at as I open it... Yeah... Okay we have uh... I don't know why it always opens in this funny way halfway down? We have one executive producer and one associate executive producer for show 520 No 520 club members Sir Craig of Monomena in the UK Dorothy and Lillian he addresses us finally I found the comment box for my PayPal comment finally found it okay and the irony is that have nothing to say except a request some job karma nidasha travel karma on the side from upcoming holiday absolutely sir Craig of Menomina thank you very much from Dorothy and Lillian. You've got Karma! Thank you for addressing us properly by our proper names Dorothy

41:26 Henry Reese of Nagoya, Japan. I thought sent me a note? I don't recall an email so maybe... No no it came in the mail. Okay well i'm sorry uh No that's not that's not sufficient 26660 I have to go downstairs and dig around but you need to... I brought the notes up but I don't see his When you come to school you need to come prepared Maybe this is it no this isn't it I mean yeah did dog ate your homework Wait a minute uh-huh see I'm not giving up that easy. Okay? No the big hold on a second mm-hmm holding on Well, I'm holding on. I'm still holding on maybe I'll play some Harry Reid while we're holding on right now I think we should every just everyone should just calm down and understand This isn't anything that is brand new it's been going on for some seven years and we've tried to

42:22 often to try to make it better and we'll continue to do that. Calm down slaves, resume normal activities says Harry Reid What did he even say? He said calm down. Okay so I was looking at last week's notes that i brought to this desk Make a Sunday donation, I don't like the short list of producers I'm donating 26667 to get me halfway to knighthood Dear John and Adam Henry Rees from Gitmo Nation teetering Teetering. Yeah, teetering as in ready to collapse? Ready to collapse yeah I guess on the edge very nice living here on a broken income in Nagoya Japan Adam stop with the Joe Biden president routine Why?! I don't know he doesn't say why and may I point out... Maybe it's scaring him May I point out that a number of people sent in and said here's what happened with Gerald Ford

43:16 Gerald Ford became president, was never elected and what happened is Spiro Agnew had to leave because he was caught cheating or taking a bribe. Then President Nixon said oh you know what why don't I bring in this guy Gerald Ford then Nixon got impeached or he left during his impeachment Gerald Ford became president first time a man became president who was not elected for any office so my theory Could actually... I thought Gerald Ford was a senator or something somewhere. He was n- mmmmmmmm? Yeah, Book of Knowledge! Yeah? Ohhhhhhhhhh let me see.. I have- EXCELS THE BOOK OF KNOWLEDGE!!! I actually did look it up and uh here we go... It's so hard to read the book of knowledge

44:14 But a lot of and number of people sent this to me. I don't think he was darling see in October 10th Agnew reside pleaded no contest criminal charges or representatives Okay, house member from 49 273 long haul into the house right? but he was not buddy would buddy with but he the point is He was not elected to the executive office and certainly not elected to be president now It was a fluke But you say he was never elected to an executive, any... I'm sorry. Well maybe he was Boy Scout leader. No it's in the 70s still in the house He was pulled from the house What's interesting is House Speaker Carl Albert said we gave Nixon no choice but Ford So again you can smell some you can smell it I'm kind of set up there and of course he was a boob Yeah actually he was considered really a good house member Not a boob at all

45:11 Anyway, let's get back to the letter from our friend in Japan. John I also heard stories of candles burning down many fine old houses during my hippie days in Eugene and Portland Okay Yeah They need some karma a de-douching and a noodle guy A noodle guy? Well... Yeah the noodle guy The noodle..the whole Noodle Kid clip?! I'm always game for it! Okay you caught me off guard here You know let me see where is the....I have a noodle laugh I think i have that let me see what this is... I don't know, do I have the noodle kid? How was that?! I don't know! You're catching me off guard with this. You're like oh now we need the noodle guy Let me do the karma and de-douching first. I mean de-douche first. You've been de-douched you got Karma

46:11 I didn't know you did there was no we will give him the noodle guy when you find it. Anyway, I feel bad. I don't have the noodle kid ready Yeah, I thought I always thought it was at the ready So anyway those are executive associate executive producers for show 4 520 and by end I want to thank them and remind people that we do have a show coming up on Thursday And we need continued support Dvorak org slash in a yeah Yes, indeed. Here's your noodles kid. Well like I described earlier there are two fundamental classes that are just a plain fact in society You either work for someone else or you work for yourself and most people work for someone else in the way that they aren't free

46:52 You don't really get to decide your work. For example, I work at Noodles a restaurant and basically it's a dictatorship there We're told exactly what we're gonna cook how are we going to cook it? What time are you gonna get there and basically if they don't like what they doing They try to tell us what to do If they don't listen they get rid of us And so we were not able to actually cooperate in a way that we make decisions together. I tried to convince my my fellow employees that we should have a union at Noodle, so it's a source of power to start with. And then I think in terms of the bigger picture when you look at revolutions the way that you actually get rid of any sort of dictatorship is by having workers take control of the place where they work

47:35 Would your plan, your vision for noodles? Sure. Would it include the owner? What capacity would he be granted? If the owner wanted to cooperate with us as an equal and provide his skills that we have we would definitely cooperate with him We'd have to abdicate his position of being an owner and controller of us And he would have to recognize that if we run noodles together basically if he doesn't want There you go. The owner's against us! They tell us what we have to cook, man and if we don't want them... And they tell us what time to come in? Yeah this is bad! This is dictator! Dictator!! Oh man Well there ya'go once in a while you gotta bring the noodle kit out That noodle kit we need to bring him every six months We gotta do it It's like clockwork it always just picks me up and gives me little boost

48:32 So, uh... Well hold on. Let me do the whole... Devorak dot org slash N-A And let me say in the morning to you John C. Devorack. In the morning to you Adam Curry and all ships and sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs of water and all the dames and knights out there. And to our artists thank you very much Joshua Pettigrew who created the art for episode 519er highly appreciated Noah Jenner Art Generator dot com is where you can find more information playing a role in today's show thank you very much to the chat room no agenda it's chat.net no agenda stream calm did I get that the right way around i'm not sure and you out there please continue to propagate our formula our formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth

49:32 Think that's an evergreen Whatever it is with the noodles laugh It's in the evergreen box. That's why I grabbed it So a friend of mine, and you said so you said so we got to stop saying so thank yeah Yeah, I appreciate four times myself this morning as bugging this shit out of me I haven't heard it mm-hmm But I should be paying careful more careful attention just to catch doing it go ahead. Yeah Yes, we're trying to for everyone listening. We are trying to eliminate the use of the word so there's some other words and ever Eva yes awesome amazing amazing amazing is out in any who and any who is also off the list that was never on the list I'm telling you they were scrambling my brains I know they were scrambling my brains can I give you my theory or do you want to talk about your UK guy it could be a lead-in I just want to mention this with a friend of mine actually

50:25 Teresa Holcomb is married to a famous harmonica player who must... he'll cringe as he hears me. And I got them into the show because Teresa came out to visit with Mimi, they're all down here partying and so... Partying? Wait a minute! You're partying?! Well I wasn't, I was working on the show What kind of party are they doing? They're out floating around, I have no idea hanging out with comics. Teresas a comic and Mimi used to produce it I said so again. Yep, I caught it the second time that's all right It's hard. It's how it is very hard yeah, it's very hard. It's gonna be a tough one Yeah uh? I noticed that Obama saying the fact of the matter the facts from out of the fact to them and we've broken ourselves at That horrible have it so ah I did it again anyway Just don't It's hard it's hard. I know it says Teresa said that

51:20 that Mitt was a conspiracy, turning into a conspiracy nut UK style. Who's? Her husband you mean? Yeah yeah okay and I said well you've got to get him to listen to the No Agenda show right She got him to listen to the show and he says, He can't understand a word we're talking. And I was listening to our... The way we did the opening and we started to talk about our producers and the douchebags and all of that rest. And I realized that were so way ahead of new listener. Yeah It's really problematic. Bollocks! I said you've got to read the no agenda page in the Wikipedia and maybe that would help. It's tea time everybody! Maybe he understands that or this is my favorite, this is a fact yeah there you go fact so he couldn't understand any of it and I said so He could not understand any of did he give up? Did he get into it at a certain point you do understand what was going on So he hasn't given up yet

52:24 Mmm, okay. Let's try this on him maybe this will work 11 and even I can spot a douchebag His daughter seems to understand it that's his daughter yeah cool like it That's a good jingle by the way I Like that one a lot all right after after the conversation with miss Mickey? I'm thinking I have to think like no agenda And it's been very good being Completely isolated because the path I went down. I don't think if I had been distracted by anything, I might not have figured out a few interesting Points in this whole prism affair and the main thing as an O agenda Producer and I put myself in there in the listeners chair and our listeners are producers It was all a little too easy You know what? I mean

53:16 I felt the same way. It looked rigged Yeah, a little rigged and here's another thing when you're doing these slides at the bottom of these slides it says top secret! And let's face it they need some templates or something their powerpoints are horrendous If you were doing a PowerPoint presentation generally speaking especially to a larger group would you put all that crap at the bottom? I don't think so Okay, so you had the same feeling I had And the journey really started for me with an interview on a podcast. Oh, I feel stupid now. I forgot the name of the podcast well that the guy who was being interviewed is Ray McGovern and Ray McGovern was an analyst for the CIA during the Kennedy administration. He's a blogger now essentially he's retired then he's on the program because he wrote this article

54:15 called Doubting Obama's Resolve to Do Right, wherein he essentially calls the president a wuss. And I'll get to why he called him that in a moment. So here is just like 30 or 40 seconds of part of... Are you okay? Yeah, I'm okay. That was a weird sound. Here is part of what kind of got me on to and this is an anecdote that I found very interesting... And I know from a good friend who was there when it happened that at a small dinner with progressive supporters After these progressive supporters were banging on Obama before the election, why don't you do the things we thought you stood for? Obama turned sharply and said, Don't you remember what happened to Martin Luther King Jr.? That's a quote. And that's a very revealing quote. The other thing is I've always been kind of shocked that when he came into office not only did he not prosecute the torturers

55:18 of the kidnappers, the people with the black prisons or even the people who violated our fourth amendment rights. He left them all in place and you know I suspected at that time now i'm pretty convinced the president united states is afraid of the CIA so oh I said it! I really like that where he said the President of The United States Is Afraid Of The CIA and this makes sense In our general thesis that we... Ed, we've been saying this for what? Yes. Well since the first election since Obama first got elected We know there's a feud well not just a feud but even Ron Paul said why I actually look for that clip I couldn't find it where he said look the CIA is taken over they're running they're running the joint What?! They took it from you It's been scrubbed and they scrubbed it

56:08 Now in his article, and by the way I have an outline for in the show notes which is not just an outline but also indented. This whole story about to tell you can go and follow the steps and see if I went wrong or see if you like what I came up with So you can do that after the fact. 520.nashownotes.com So in this article he says, the CIA is messing with Obama's head and this is where he contradicts our initial theory and says the hecklers are put in place by the CIA to show Obama we can get to you at any time

55:18 of the kidnappers, the people with the black prisons or even the people who violated our fourth amendment rights. He left them all in place and you know I suspected at that time now i'm pretty convinced the president united states is afraid of the CIA so oh I said it! I really like that where he said the President of The United States Is Afraid Of The CIA and this makes sense In our general thesis that we... Ed, we've been saying this for what? Yes. Well since the first election since Obama first got elected We know there's a feud well not just a feud but even Ron Paul said why I actually look for that clip I couldn't find it where he said look the CIA is taken over they're running they're running the joint What?! They took it from you It's been scrubbed and they scrubbed it

56:08 Now in his article, and by the way I have an outline for in the show notes which is not just an outline but also indented. This whole story about to tell you can go and follow the steps and see if I went wrong or see if you like what I came up with So you can do that after the fact. 520.nashownotes.com So in this article he says, the CIA is messing with Obama's head and this is where he contradicts our initial theory and says the hecklers are put in place by the CIA to show Obama we can get to you at any time

56:50 And like wow, that's very... Well we've had this thesis too. I think there was a number of incidents where suddenly something crazy happened which was that sort of thing. I can't remember the details but we've spotted this trick a couple of times But this has been happening a lot in recent memory and so you take into account the president saying hey man i don't want to be Martin Luther King and that he's afraid, and then the CIA possibly. And I think it's more likely than it scripted the way we talked on the last show but we certainly have discussed...I think it seems more likely this is a way of saying oh you know what? We can get anyone into anywhere Oh by the way your wife here we go! We've got people right in front so whatever you do we got our eyes on you. And I'm like okay that makes sense now

57:43 How do I bring this into prison? First of all, the CIA runs everything. Now the feuds we without doubt have identified and have played many different anecdotes of people saying that the CIA hates all other intelligence agencies. I'm pretty sure they would love to get one over on NSA So let's presume for a moment this may be... The NSA has been uncooperative. Very uncooperative We've noticed this, we reported this I don't know for years now the NSA and they're arrogant Now what if we could make the president look bad

58:24 At the same time, distract everyone from the true bad actor in the cyber world. I'm not talking about phone calls but in this cyber world so that we could really continue our massive surveillance program without anyone and of course hiding it in plain sight without anyone suspecting what were doing because everyone's focused on something else. So let's... crap! I did it Looking at what we know already obviously Google. I mean are you kidding me in 2010? They had to admit yes, we have the NSA alliance program and this is this is not like a secret This has been out there for years as Google and the NSA have a department they have us part of joint venture discussed in mainstream media even the court records upheld

59:14 the Google's denial and the NSA's denial of a Freedom of Information Act request that they could keep it secret. So this is new, oh and by the way we do all remember that after 180 days the government has the right to read your email anyway I mean this is, did we forget this all of a sudden? This is the biggest joke there is. Right did we forget this all of a sudden that this has already been out there and... And if your email's over 180 days old... ...and it's stored on an email service Any service any many of them The government can look at without a warrant Now let's just grab one Let's look to Facebook

59:53 So Facebook, we know that Facebook had one of their venture capital founding funders was In-Q-Tel which is the intelligence agency's venture capital fund. And person of the year 2010 Mark Zuckerberg Time Magazine how quickly we forget. I've pointed this out to a couple of my Obama bot friends who are like, how is this possible? I said well let's just read your leftist propaganda and the relevant paragraph from this article from it was and we talked about this on the show that no one talks about numerous times The door opened and a distinguished looking gray haired man burst in it's the only way to describe his entrance trailed by a couple of deputies

1:00:36 He was both the oldest person in the room by 20 years and the only one wearing a suit. He was in the building, he explained with the delighted air of a man about to secure ironclad bragging rights forever and had just had to stop in to introduce himself to Zuckerberg. Robert Mueller, director of FBI pleased to meet you! Are you kidding me? Did no one see this? I love that paragraph. So yes, the FBI is in there And it was put in there for code! That was put in the article so everyone would...that was in whatever circle that was being transmitted to Oh okay we're good now We're in

1:01:15 What we're seeing is Silicon Valley freaking out now because of course they cooperate. It's all part of the sharing program and I truly believe, John that they've been taken off guard like whoa wait a minute you're accusing us of what? So they are very careful with their little wording and don't give you direct access and all this stuff By the way did you see Jeff Jarvis defending Google Jeff Jarvis is a Google stooge, you might as well just work for him. But it was just... actually I should... he's like, I take Larry Page at his literal word so in other words whatever Larry said literally I'm taking my word and then he talks about conspiratorial thinking about these companies all this can't be true there's no gambling going on here okay but I have a feeling

1:02:12 that they were really taken off guard with this. Now, we look at this PowerPoint and as we just discussed I mean what kind of PowerPoint is this? What I found immediately interesting was to note that Apple was added to the so-called prison program six months after Steve Jobs died I've always heard notice that too. Yeah, I've always heard the Steve Jobs You know this is a definitely conspiratorial story That the the government always wanted to backdoor into everything Microsoft rolled over like it like a bitch puppy and you know and Yes, but you don't even know that need a back door to break into windows And you can just put this so easy did to compromise it But the jobs always said no I'm not gonna let you into my system and that sounds like him

1:02:59 We'll get back to that later. In fact, I know there was probably some struggle at Microsoft. I don't think they rolled over that quickly because here's the problem with having NSA dot dat or whatever you know there were these little pieces of code floating around in Windows. The DLL system or what? The registry or whatever yeah You ruin foreign sales. I mean you can't take this product into France or Germany and expect anyone to use it if it's just a Trojan horse as a whole for the NSA, that is not possible. And there are all these stories about an Israeli back end into all these things but I have heard many many times Steve Jobs won't allow that to happen so I found it interesting we'll get back to the Apple thing but

1:03:50 So Apple jumps on board the... Well, I'll get back to that. Would you let me get to my story? There's so much more to talk about! If that would be the conclusion of this story which it is That would be sad there's a lot more to talk about. The leaks come out through a guy named Glenn Greenwald. You have to go back to the source, no one is questioning this very disturbing to me who is Glenn Greenwald? Of course I... Well Glenn... Glenn Greenwald is an outstanding columnist was of total lefty I do follow him he used to be at Salon Magazine and he's kind of out easy as one those progressive progressives that's gone beyond being on Obama bot and it's nothing but critical the president

1:04:38 And then somehow, I don't know how this even hooks up with him but he's the one who rolled it out in The Guardian. Well there you go. There was something fishy about what the progress was and I'm guessing you're going to tell me? Yes that is correct John! That's where i started So here's what I learned briefly about Glenn Greenwald. He is a former lawyer, he was a civil rights lawyer and many people have said some nasty things about his work as a civil rights lawyer but i don't think that it's important...He lives in Brazil with his boyfriend and he worked at Salon Magazine since 2007 before a high-profile move to Guardian USA less than a year ago. God damnit! I keep saying so

1:05:25 To me, very interesting to see Glenn's move to the Guardian. And here he is the biggest story of a century really for him as you say He's so left that I would say he almost hates the president and part of his reasoning for not liking the president for many years was the Defense of Marriage Act And, you know he's gay so he is in Brazil. It's like I can't live in America because America is all f'ed up and so I'm living in Brazil So there... He has been very very critical of all that but more importantly he loves Petraeus! And I went back to... What? Yes oh yeah well let me put it this way

1:06:12 Now he defended what happened to Petraeus. So, Petraeus as you recall was director of the CIA and John Brennan who our friend McGovern says, President Obama brought Brennan in because he's so afraid of the CIA. He thought I have loyalty from Brennan so they won't try to kill me because Brennan is running the show. Remember this is a you know Brennan is appointed by the president So the president was so afraid of the CIA and also said let's get the drones out of the CIA before they drone me or whatever And so Brennan was brought in Glenn Greenwald

1:06:53 public fights. If you go back and read his columns, which apparently you follow him he was like Brennan is the worst guy ever You can't have him in and I'm portray us just have a little clip here from democracy now instead of saying yeah well betrays is douchebag elitist douche bag now He immediately goes and bitches about the FBI I think there's a lot of media focus on this salacious aspects of this case for reasons that are obvious Which is that the media loves sex scandals But there are real issues arising from this of genuine importance and substance, beginning with the fact that the FBI based on really no evidence of any actual crime engaged in this massive surveillance effort. First obtaining all kinds of intimate and private information about two women one of whom complained one of whom was the target of the complaint Paula Broadwell and Jill Kelly

1:07:47 learned the locations and email accounts of Paula Broadwell, who was the subject of this fairly innocuous complaint. Read through all her emails, learned the identity of her anonymous lover David Petraeus, likely read- certainly read through all of her emails probably read through his and then in a process as well learned about an affair between the complainant, Jill Kelly or not an affair but inappropriate communications as they're calling it and the four-star general in Afghanistan General Allen. And then obtained 20 to 30 thousand pages of emails between them as well so you're talking about a massively invasive investigation without any of their knowledge obtaining their most private intimate communications all

1:08:29 without evidence of any predicate crime, really without the need except in a few cases for judicial review or oversight. And to me it really illustrates how invasive and sprawling this unaccountable surveillance state has become that happens all the time just generally to people less powerful and influential than the two generals in question here so we can really learn lessons I hope about what we've allowed the government to do in terms of its investigative powers Instead of saying, well wow this is really not okay what the CIA director was doing. The title of his article that's why he was invited onto Democracy Now! was FBI's abuse of the surveillance state is the real scandal here regarding John Brennan being picked as CIA chief

1:09:13 He wrote, Brennan's appointment is crossing multiple lines that no Obama supporter should sanction. So he was very much against that very much so I believe that he is possibly compromised and that's not the first time you'd hear about the CIA using people in the press or writing stories for them. So I'm like okay maybe this is, you know maybe there's something to this now So Glenn Greenwald now we have friends by the way inside all the alphabet letter agencies We have NSA challenge coins, you know But I've never received anything as cool as this. I mean this I mean getting a PowerPoint like that And that's that's I'm in it. I mean wow I mean we don't get past the gift shop but Glenn Greenwald in The New York Times says the leak came from quote a reader of mine Who was comfortable working with me?

1:10:14 The source, Mr. Greenwald said quote knew the views that I had and had an expectation of how I would display them. I'm thinking really is that simple just you're telling me that we have all these people inside the NSA and other agencies but your source Gets a hold of this PowerPoint. So I'm thinking this is either bullcrap or it's much higher up than we could ever be Or maybe or perhaps maybe it's a little combination so now, I'm going to look into mr Greenwald's history as a journalist

1:10:51 So he's a journalist. He started out at Salon Magazine where he became a blogger Now, Salon magazine is very interesting It is a publicly listed company so there are all kinds of information available about them Current stock price of Salon Magazine the salon media publishing empire Is 11 cents a share John Yeah I know They lose $1 million dollars a year have never been profitable ever And that's kind of interesting Who was funding this outfit? Considering you, by the way that's kind of interesting when you consider all these other little startups that have come and gone tech crunch and all these other guys who get bought for millions of dollars and get incorporated into AOL and other things. Salon has always been never been up for grabs I find that actually peculiar but go on they coming from a corporate a-hole shill background i also particularly when it comes to funding companies

1:11:48 Well, how does something continue to exist? They've got to have some sugar daddy someone who is paying for this and if they're paying for it Then there's a reason for that as well. So there must be some there's gotta be something behind this So it has been unprofitable throughout its entire history, all this public knowledge. But since 2007 two board members including the chairman of the board have been funding the company with approximately three to four million dollars a year These two gentlemen are John Warnock and William Hambrecht Would you are you familiar with these names John? I know these guys. Yes, William Hambrecht is of course one of the founders of One of the largest Silicon Valley venture capital companies and John Warnock is The CEO I believe of Adobe German chairman chairman of Adobe

1:12:47 And all this information is in the show notes and Bill Hambrick's daughter I might point out is the president of Salon magazine So, you know there that's a good hire right there. So if you think about for a second All of the companies that were mentioned in the PRISM document, all the companies that could compromise data that's centrally located. What is the one company that really is inside the CIA and NSA and FBI? That has its products used every single day! That is Adobe and that is primarily Adobe with their reader, Acrobat. And when they have this thing called F-Secure which is to redact PDF files... PDF files! There's such a black box of the PDF by itself but let's of course look at what we all think outside of the creative suite of Adobe We always think about Flash Let's go back to The Dead Man talking to me

1:13:49 Dead man being Steve Jobs who refused to put flash into iOS and he wrote a letter in 2000 this was not long before it was 2010 I think or 11. He wrote a letter called his thoughts on Flash, and he outlined a number of reasons why he didn't want Adobe in iOS Third, there's reliability security and performance. Symantec recently highlighted flash for having one of the worst security records in 2009 We also know firsthand that flash is the number one reason Macs crash we've been working with Adobe to fix these problems but have persisted for several years and we don't want to reduce the reliability and security of our iPhones iPods and iPads by adding Flash

1:14:38 And if you read now, headline from the register from June 9th. That would be today maybe it was yesterday and it was the 8th that this came out Steve Jobs death clears way for Adobe CTO defection The CTO of Adobe has just left to join Apple and there is some question whether maybe flash will come to the iPhone which I'll get to in just a moment Now, we know that Flash has been doing... it has been a security risk. There's been exploits. It's been accused of phoning home. It's also on every single computing device pretty much except for the iOS platform. Most guys who are security conscious that I know

1:15:25 uh, sysadmins won't run it. They refuse like I can't watch that video which is why Steve Jobs i believe said no flash that thing's a mess but maybe he knew a little bit more maybe he knew that that really what Flash is, it really is a true spying mechanism. It can access your camera or your microphone and do all kinds of things. Flash cookies are really very persistent and very hard to get rid of. And who uses these things? The advertising world! So I'm thinking to myself if Adobe truly were evil and Adobe wants to get this document out and make all the competitors look

1:16:03 like horrible people so they can go on their merry way and really aggregate the data of the people, not go in and sift it but really get the data directly right off your computer which can be keystrokes for all I know. It could be anything Flash is very sophisticated but its a black box we are not...we cant look inside all of it Of course you cant have flash just dialing home People would catch onto that But what if one thing this entire conversation that everyone dismisses off hand Well, advertising networks track you. Yeah well I guess it's a good trade-off. Why wouldn't Adobe acquire an advertising network? Well as it turns out Adobe acquired something better which is a company which was funded by our friend Warnock's buddy William Omniture. Omniture which they bought for three billion dollars. Omniture is the

1:17:04 statistics system of the advertising industry. And Omniture is a company that was started by a guy called Josh James in Utah as part of the Church of Latter-day Saints, i.e., the Mormons who have the largest database of human beings on the universe or in the universe What I'm seeing is, Adobe is the true bad actor. And how many times do they upgrade their Flash and it's still sucking and it's crashing? And they have Omniture embedded in that they're not hiding anything! They're tracking you! Most people go, oh well, you know... It's just advertising obviously whatever we don't really know what the data is being sent back but there it's open its free and clear on the omniture tracking

1:17:55 And people say it's just advertising, it's not the government. No I think this is by far worse and this now makes sense to me that Steve Jobs knew that these guys were up to no good and he didn't want any part of it! Now of course none of this would make sense unless You could also really put this on all iOS devices and here's where I think Apple is now on board with the program. We've got Tim Cook who probably doesn't have the same scruples as Steve Jobs, and you need to know that Adobe acquired a video ad platform called Auditude just recently $120 million acquisition and they immediately turned this around

1:18:33 And you can't buy ads with them, not as far as I can tell from their website. But they've turned this into Adobe Primetime It's called Project Primetime. It's a video platform and it will now come to iOS, it will work on everything this is what the CTO guy is coming to do and it essentially has Flash built into it and they were at NAB making deals with every single broadcaster and they will become the streaming video provider of choice because they're going to give it all away and now they have successfully put in

1:19:11 The true, true spying mechanism into every single computing device on the planet sucking that data out right in plain sight. Going back into the databases and they have huge data centers through Omniture, and that's That's the company that you need to be afraid of. And that's the company that... The CIA maybe the NSA but I think these guys They'll sell it to anybody we know the Mormons they sell their database to ancestry.com It's free. No, it's just selling it So there's nothing sneaky and that's why Google, Yahoo and Microsoft are like what? They were taken off guard because they have no idea what is happening. But these guys directly tied into Glenn Greenwald, directly! They're the ones behind this. Well a couple of things I like the way you piece this together you'll be getting a call from Glenn Beck

1:20:11 because you put, you threw a lot of stuff into one thesis that looks like it makes sense except a couple little items. One the these companies that you say were caught off guard it was curious that they all had pretty much the exact same wordage to their denials And I don't think they all called each other say what are you gonna? Say, what are you gonna say that doesn't detract from What's not saying that but it said that nothing there was caught off as much guard As you might imagine with to call me Glenn Beck is a huge insult. I'm sorry I didn't call you get Glenn Beck. I said he'd be calling well We I guess you were saying that I did it like getting Glenn Beck or something which is insulting too That's not meant to be okay

1:20:58 Play the weasel words for data capture and I think there's a couple of little things in there that at least want to bounce off. The US National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. internet companies, that is according to a report in The Washington Post It comes in the back of Britain's Guardian newspaper, claiming Washington is collecting telephone records of millions of Americans. Google, Apple, Yahoo and Facebook have in statements denied the government had direct access to their central servers Microsoft said it does not voluntarily take part in any government data collection I'd like to say two things

1:21:38 Be reminded, The Guardian was in direct cahoots with WikiLeaks. But not like they took WikiLeaks and published it in their newspaper no we now know and its been published everywhere that the Guardian would then call up the State Department say hey we're gonna publish this is that okay well no could you take that out could you take that out okay yeah right so The New York Times but if you truly want to really instead of having to go yes of course of course this taking place with these companies But if you really want to have the information of everybody, it's a pain in... No I'm not going to argue this. What I wanted to point out is Microsoft's comment which was now has been lost through the history but where they said they don't voluntarily do anything which means that i think that there are some other program in place which is forcing them to do stuff

1:22:26 since they use the word volunteer, meaning they don't wrap up the aid and send it in. But this is the point that you made earlier This is not news. We know that they're doing this, we know that this has been going on and we know the FBI's in Facebook... ...We know that NSA in Google but these are all peanuts! That's my point it's peanuts and distracting from what's really going on right in front of our noses I wish they would get rid of Flash. Flash when he was doing The X3 Show Joe Angle went onto a rant about how Flash, and talk about the cookies you can't get rid of. It does all kinds of stuff that you can't get rid off there's nothing you can do when when you get whatever it is that they might get planted through Flash its impossible to get off your machine And Steve Jobs knew this he knew they were up to no good He was very famous for hating a lot of these kinds people really getting in big feuds with guys exactly like this

1:23:28 Exactly like this and I think for these reasons, and how many truly elite superstars super-rich people do we know that still die of cancer today? Not a lot. If you look at the cancer rate amongst the citizens How many would besides Steve Jobs who else of super elite status way up there in the echelons has died of cancer in recent memory Yeah Hugo Chavez another enemy of the state give me another one Well, they would all be enemies of the state. Yes! Well Steve Jobs was an enemy of the state So... but I think you've got an interesting thesis and I like it But it doesn't detract from my Red Book prediction Way to backpedal dude It doesn't detract from my prediction some weeks back that once they go these scandals going there were gonna pile on to get rid of Obama

1:24:27 I think that this you can't ignore that. This is part of that well we also in this It's funny did we not play that do we not play where the president said that he would probably He might be gone by the next three and a half years, so did we play that piece? Oh, you didn't played you have it Yes, I was at the end of this clip. I think people can trust not only the executive don't trust Congress and don't trust federal judges. It was very weird, I'm actually amazed that I didn't play it earlier. Due process and rule of law then we're gonna have some problems here but my observation is is that the people who are involved in America's national security... Let me see if I can roll this forward a little bit. ...carrish our Constitution. Forward And by the way with...and after that I will be a private citizen Here we go. Oh! And I suspect...I went too far. ...the privacy issues

1:25:24 I will leave this office at some point, sometime in the next three and a half years. Maybe earlier? I don't know! Could be sometime... maybe next year, maybe next month Well, hmmm..maybe There's two interesting clips that are also floating around that seem to have been regurgitated into the net To pile on Obama And one of them, I got the two here. They're floating around and I didn't have to do any digging at him to go to C-SPAN they are just out there which is the one where Laffer lies to Congress. You can play that. So what i wanted to see if you could give me... Is this Laffer or Clapper?

1:26:12 Who is it? Clapper, I think it's Clapper. No no its Laffer the new guy. Oh it was Laffer. So wait wait wait this is months ago and this is Wyden in one of those committee meetings. So what I wanted to see if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans? No sir It does not Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps collect but not wittingly It's like she fell onto my penis! I can't... it just happened

1:27:00 So he's done. Meanwhile, Holder who is no idiot... Yeah that was my favorite. I liked that clip a lot. ...Holder comes out and says the following which is actually frightening answer if you think about it. I just want to ask could you assure us that no phones inside of the Capitol were monitored by members of Congress? that would give a future executive branch if they started pulling this kind of thing off, would give them unique leverage over the legislature. With all due respect Senator I don't think this is an appropriate setting for me to discuss that issue i'd be more than glad to come back in an appropriate setting to discuss the issues you have raised. You didn't get the last part where the senator says no... The appropriate answer would be NO

1:27:53 Oh, I didn't get that because it wasn't on the clip. Oh really? Who's doing your clips?! No no this is the clip that was floating around the net. Hold on here let me play you the full and proper clip When government bureaucrats are sloppy they're usually really sloppy. Want to just ask could you assure us uh...that uh...no phones inside the Capitol were monitored of members of Congress that would give a future executive branch, if they started pulling this kind of thing off, would give them unique leverage over the legislature? With all due respect Senator I don't think this is an appropriate setting for me to discuss that issue. I'd be more than glad to come back in an appropriate setting to discuss

1:28:36 the issues that you have raised but in this open forum I don't think... I would interrupt you and say, the correct answer would be to say no we stayed within our lane and i'm assuring you we did not spy on members of congress. That would be the correct answers! Nooo, noooo, we didn't spy on you but of course he did yeah obviously thats what the answer says. He obviously did It's great it's great I love it So yeah, well things are going downhill as we speak. The McLaughlin group had a guy on from the Economist and someone told me... who was that that said that to me the other day?

1:29:19 Well, this story is so big it's even in The Economist. I'm like yeah... Potential for abuse but there is no reality yet and of course its a British guy from The Economist who was on the McLaughlin group he has a different reality than we do here in America Watch very closely potential is great because I agree with Eleanor that the reality is not What's the economist saying about this? Look, I think that you're right. You know you had the choice to say is it shocking or is an abuse of privacy? Well you know what... It IS an abuse of privacy but I don't think it shocks anyone! If someone says to you did you know that the American government pays attention when someone in New York makes a phone call to a known jihadi in Pakistan and if that flashes up they then track him

1:30:03 I kind of assumed that's what the NSA is there for. Now we have confirmation that they're there for it. They may not be talking about their business, they may be talking about their personal lives! The idea that the NSA tracks these foreign phone calls and emails is what the NSA is for... You don't realize the materiality... Yeah, the American public realizes this. This is bullcrap, this is a pivot. It has nothing to do with... That's not what were talking about tracking and saving the Google emails, and taking all the metadata from all the phones from Verizon. Yes! It's not about... I mean yeah that old saw about well you know when a phone call comes in the NSA is all over it. No he actually said a light switch on the switchboard goes on

1:30:51 Oh, we've got a Pakistani jihadi calling. It's like laying a jackpot on a slot machine in Vegas the way he makes it sound. Pakistani Jihadi calling oh we better check this one out that's what we're for here at the NSA so we are being duped in a number of things I believe Glenn Greenwald is a shill I believe that he is compromised by the CIA and that he has published these documents which may not be May or may not be authentic. I believe that he has published them under the auspices of Adobe and Omniture

1:31:31 To make it maybe he might not even know that he's doing it. He may think that he has the scoop of the century But I think the connections are close enough That this is made to obfuscate The word you used earlier, the true spying mechanism that is taking place and when Adobe primetime comes out I encourage you not to install It'll be hard because they're going to have all the prime time all your shows all your favorite celebraties Oh, I gotta install the software man because it's got all the celebraties on it. All the sports! It's gonna be a bit... Gonna have everything and it's gonna be almost free another free trinket we hold in front of you. It's shiny and glistening don't worry just install it'll all be perfect Well the problem with the thesis is that if this was ever discovered

1:32:26 It's really risky. I don't understand what you mean by it discovered, it is happening No you say its happening but there no evidence that these guys are phoning home or spying on you using the flash mechanism Hold on! You seem to misunderstand what im saying this and you didn't get it Omniture cookies... Go look in your flash cookies right now and you'll see their ominature flash cookie Yeah? That is phoning home, it is phoning home consistently It is, I mean it's not the actual phoning home mechanism but you go to a site and Omniture is on every single site John. So they are tracking you but they're not tracking for advertising purposes they're tracking... That's that's just that's the You've got to prove that What do you mean I have to prove? As an advertiser The biggest advertising agencies in the universe pay Omniture money To get behavioral data

1:33:24 what people are surfing to. I'm not gonna say that you're wrong, I just really wonder because for example we criticize constantly the crappy job they do of targeting advertising and this is all done through Omniture So you're saying that even though they can't do their own, what they're supposed to be doing correctly. They are somehow profiling everybody in the country and sending off this data to NSA or CIA? Or one of these three letter words? I would say... And they are doing a good job with that?! There's two different things! You're talking about

1:34:02 ads people are seeing. That's different than knowing every single website you surf to, that's different than when and when you install Gmail there's flash in that there's all this flash everywhere John! There is flash everywhere on you install ghostry and see that Omniture is not on every single page it's one thing to get the data and then try and recommend an ad it's another thing to get the data and know what the hell someone's doing there's two different things I agree. Okay, and what... And now I have to uninstall a bunch of stuff and use the different... I think we should do the no agenda browser Oh! And by the way this Adobe Primetime will also be on Xbox it's gonna it's gonna be on everything is going to be the new de facto standard

1:34:53 Truly and this is what the fight has always been about between HTML 5 and And flash, and you get an open standard that doesn't have the celebrities and everyone The people are stupid they're stupid well. Here's a little tidbit when htML5 was rolled out Mm-hmm I won't say who this was but a very kind of a famous guy Why can't you say because you'll be compromised? You'll get shot now. It's because it's just cheap okay alright And the guy says to me, um, ah Adobe's dead really Dead because this is gonna kill flash and I thought about that for a while and I said well You know it's a possibility that this HTML 5 could kill flesh because we now we just put video Colon or whatever the tag is for running videos instead of doing it through flash which is always problematic as you know

1:35:51 They go updating it all. It's worse than real player! They're updating it constantly for whatever reason and its suspect, and you get these... All the time there is always an update. So... And it's always sucking. I just said so. Why is it crashing? Who knows what it's doing in there?! It probably should be banished. Most definitely should be banished this is we need to start a anti-Adobe Primetime campaign Because that's the final frontier they need to get on the iOS devices. That's what it has always been about The CTO of Adobe leaves and goes to Apple just before this happens? All this takes place after Steve Jobs dies? Nah

1:36:35 No, no. If anyone wanted to preserve any legacy of Steve Jobs and you should... when they do this, when they basically through a backhanded way install Flash onto the iOS platform you all should take your phones and go throw them at headquarters in Cupertino smash your phones and say that you are pissing on the legacy of Steve Jobs Because that's what will take place. And Tim Cook, look at the guy! Come on... You know he'd be like, Okay come on in CIA, come on in NSA... You can see the guy is a wuss. A wimp, little wimp. He should be British. He's not?

1:37:20 I think, i'm very very concerned and I just look at all these things and the advertising angle. I've never thought about that And it's not just... Omniture is not an ad network It is a tracking mechanism! And thats the thing that... Directly started by the Mormons! Hello? If anyone can connect names to numbers its them Alright well I'll follow this, and I'm sure you have more to say about it. This prime time thing...I am not sure if that's even going to catch on but we will see When they have the celebrity content it will That is what they...I am surprised that you didn't see this at the... I didn't At the NAB It may have been there but I didn't see it And when I went to the Adobe conference I did not see it I actually know very little about project primetime

1:38:18 I hadn't heard of it at all. I had no idea what was going on until I stumbled across it and then see the CTO of Adobe's left to go work for Apple, okay? And then I see comments if you look up and all this is in the show notes 520 any shown us that comp but you see comments from I think like your typical sysadmin Linux guy Who'd be like hey This is just bringing flash in on the back end Everyone sees it people that care. It doesn't matter if it's installed, it's installed! And once its installed then any page that has a little even those invisible flash things there you go. Okay I like this so I like the theory. Well thank you very much. Apple is higher of anti-Adobe... Anti apple Adobe CTO raises eyes so the guy was anti Apple

1:39:13 Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch will soon be trading jerseys and going over to team Apple a move that has some Apple watchers perplexed. Adobe confirmed Lynch's job change late Tuesday following a regulatory filing that revealed Lynch's plans. Apple later confirm the move as well saying Lynch is blot title at Apple would be VP of technology and then he'd re-reporting to current hardware lead Bob Mansfield. Kevin Lynch, Adobe CTO is leaving the company to take a position at Apple Well, here's a question that comes to mind. Why? For the integration! Obviously... We have iOS 7 coming. No reason you would do a That's not a job change that makes any sense normally. No. It was a lot of things it didn't make sense

1:40:04 When Adobe bought, if you read the articles. If you go back and read the articles why Adobe bought Omniture people are like why is Adobe buying Omniture? This makes no sense but yeah actually I've noticed that Lynch originally hails from Macromedia which of course is Flash, Flash, Flash Well now to really add to your thesis You should do a little background around Macromedia and how that got started To create Flash in the first place Well the funny thing is Mark Cantor started that Yes, he did and I'm one of them. I'm not I'd have to say he did director He did director so I yeah, I don't think he's a spook I Know mark pretty well. He's uh he's not a spook. He's a stoner for sure And he's a fun guy but now none. He's he's not a part of part of that

1:40:56 But when you look at Adobe, if you look there they have an entire program for PDFs by themselves. You shouldn't use PDF either or Acrobat or whatever and I think I'm convinced this is why... Which is Apple again they had their own review. Thank-you! They had the preview because they didn't want the calling home thing of Acrobat Reader. If you look at the government, if you look... I spent some time last night looking at the Adobe website particularly their government stuff You can track a PDF through an entire organization as large as the government. You can track exactly who has it where it's going they have this thing called EchoSign which is for legal documents There are couple competing products but Adobe EchoSign is used for contracts in commercial world

1:41:45 And the minute you sign that and click it, it's talking back. It's calling home. It's definitely calling Adobe. This is a known fact. PDF by itself is evil! Do not open... do not open it in Adobe Reader! Macromedia created Shockwave which was the forerunner of Flash. Precursor, yep a director viewer plugin for web browsers but later moved to expand its market by this and that is by branching out the Web Native Media tools. In 1997, Kaur Patel founder of social philanthropy fund Fuse Global look into that and then IT head Stefan Elop now CEO of Nokia

1:42:33 created its first web strategy which later proved to be the most valuable pivot point for macro media and being acquired by Adobe for multi-billions of dollars. Yeah, it's not like this is... They're not making the money off of sales of a director. Okay? Adobe makes a lot of money! They're not making it off the sales of Photoshop. Actually there's history of macromedia on Wikipedia that's worth reading Alright, should we leave this for the time being so we can regroup a little and maybe we'll come back to that on Thursday? If there's anything else. I do have some interesting clips Well i think right now 69! 69 dudes! I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda Imagine all the people who could do that Oh yeah, that'd be fab On no agenda in the morning

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1:52:59 Victor Greg in parts unknown David Bearson Altoona, Iowa and that concludes our Now there's a couple things here we have this is the record 74 But there may be some make goods that show up in In a revised spreadsheet and anyone who came in after midnight you didn't get in on this And that's quite as maybe 10 but we're gonna hold it record at 74. I Until the next six nine will be done this has to end so we have so the next six nine will Be in five years well no This is not true because today was USA swazzle enough day as most people pointed out The truth was enough of the world's walls on off day will be in September yes, but I don't think they have a show on that day. Let's take a look what we can still celebrate today and

1:53:54 With this by doing it so it'd be nine September 6. Yes Yeah, is do we have a show on Friday? It's Friday. It'll still be world swallows enough day by presidential proclamation I will see anyway So that's our group and want to thank all of them and only a few more We have two regrets read which lesser amounts in the $650 they got Michael Allen in Brooklyn at 5555 at rocker 182 go get him on Twitter Kevin Dandridge in Charleston South Carolina 52 a Joel pool and gray Tennessee 50 and then 50 from Tyler Doherty in Savannah Georgia great town by the way Mark Tanner Whittier California and Keith Gibson in Holly Springs North Carolina shows been great lately

1:54:43 Shout out to the shill and Chapel Hill. And Vincent Farrell who you skipped I think this spreadsheet needs to changing because it's difficult for you. I didn't say Vincent Farrell in San Bruno, California? I don't think so no. Okay well he's I said it now Yes, you did indeed. Hey well good showing everybody thank you very much I made a personal plea this time for Swazilnov and it's a good Swazilnov indeed particularly since Mickey will be home she will not get stuck in Atlanta she will be home and I feel that we've delivered some value for value so I feel pretty good about this today thank you so much We have some make goods which I don't know what they mean John do you have note on Bart Bertens and Marco Strauss?

1:55:29 Where's this? Well, this showed up in the... Yeah. They were mentioned earlier and apparently that was part of it they were left off the last spreadsheet so they weren't mentioned. Gotcha gotcha. They're in a green on your... Oh yeah I got it oh its green is that green okay got it I'm a little colorblind It's green on mine. I'm sure it's green see it looks more like a sickly yellow on mine but that could be just my monitor I want to thank Healthy Surprise did you get a box Yes, I did get a box of... the boxes are shrinking. Well you know it's a crisis. Oh I think that is because these guys who are making these products, a lot of them are going out of business because not all of these products are edible Did you try anything new in the healthy surprise box?

1:56:14 Nothing that was that stood out as I mean this stuff They're old classics like those little macaroons and some of these other things that are just delicious Yeah, the Macaroni and a nut combinations. Yeah, well I had the chips What was it? Was there was one of the bigger bags in there had kind of the pineapple chips no No, it was like what was it now? I can't remember what oh It was crisps more not like really chips but more It was light, light and I gobbled them up. I like the pineapple chips. HealthySurprise.com always hooks us up with a box of...

1:56:55 Box of free food. Yeah, free food well we like it and it keeps forever that stuff That's what I like about is you that stuff just never goes out a real drawback to that box There's always something with kale I'm not big on the kale kale dried kale and kale chips kale donuts kale all these different kinds of kale things they're terrible Kale doughnuts Also, at least Garling did she send you a bottle of wine? Of her homemade wine. You're talking about the lemon and... No not the limoncello I know you got that no she sent me a bottle over homemade wine which have I have not consumed yet I'm waiting to consume that with there with lovely Miss Mickey looking forward to that

1:57:43 No, I didn't get a bottle of wine. Well, uh...I think she actually said in the note don't let John get his panties in a bunch he's getting one too so maybe So she makes it one bottle at a time? Nah! I dunno, maybe could be She's fermenting as we speak She is our hot fisher chick from Alaska there so this was fun Washington Yeah whatever same thing Washington Alaska isn't that kind of the same area Kinda Anyway, thank you very much for supporting the swazzle enough and for supporting the program that's highly appreciated to everyone who checked in and of course to our executive producer and associate executive producer for episode 520 And if you feel that you're getting value for value on this program then go to vorac.org slash n

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1:59:22 Sir Pate Snakes is officially a baronet. I want to mention that, his title changes today as second knighthood he had no idea that he overlooked his knighthood over a year ago yeah there's a couple we have to bring up the speed and i wanna apologize to Greg Brunsell who has been a knight forever Because he comes in at a... I don't know why it doesn't show up. And we got a note, which i'll read because we do have a daming today In the morning boys! I've given Adam and Miss Mickey a blanket sent cash to the show and enjoyed the water conferred by the rain stick. I listened to The Big Voice and sentenced Swazilnaf Luka

2:00:06 I've hit people in the mouth and thrown shoes. I have been a good little slave, but lately... ...I've been spinning questioning authority and reading Atlas Shrugged Come to find out i'm not turning into an Illuminati But I turned into a dame weeks ago when I didn't even know it Include me at the round table please! I have an appetite for mud bugs and moonshine No, not another one. I'm gonna add it right now Mud bugs and moonshine Now do you remember who this is? Uh, no. Not offhand. I didn't get a blanket. And- and no you did not... You did not! She will be Lady of the Loom Dame Melody When we were in on the Hot Pockets Tour she is the producer who said that we helped her get through her chemo Oh thats right, right I remember Her whole cancer and i said No no, YOU got through cancer She said NO NO NO! You guys go me through cancer And the blanket that she knitted for us

2:01:04 Do you know if you have it knitted or loomed? It's knitted. Oh, it's knitted a knitted blanket And it's huge. It's a two-person blanket yeah no I'm absolutely sure because we talked about it If you had this week this our go to blanket do you have one of those like a go-to blanking in the house where Yes, I do from and it tends to be my blankets tend to be from Peru Well, mine's from Dallas. That's the difference between you and me We love our blanket And it's very special to us because of the story behind it So we really like that and very happy to bring you in To the exclusive club if John if you wouldn't mind and we can have a second I can't get stuck Let me get some WD-40 okay Wow theater of the mind ladies gentlemen

2:01:57 Melody Man, step forward! We are very proud to have you still with us first of all and at the No Agenda Roundtable of Knights & Dames. And thanks for your contributions which they are many I hereby pronounce the Dame Melody Man Lady Of The Loom come on! Fool Your Hookers And Blow Ramp Boys In Chardonnay Long Haired Heavy Metal Guys in Scotch Vodka and vanilla, bonkits and bourbon sparkling cider and escorts mutton and meat or by your choice mud bugs! And moonshine. I skip a couple there for the dames because you know she may want the long-haired heavy metal guys in scotch but she may not you know want the wenches in beer. I don't think so just knowing her little bit. Right. She'd be hauling into that You should have two lists Yeah oh yeah to read from Exactly To read from I tell you

2:02:55 Oh, man. Well let's see... Oh I have something funny! I got something funny Yeah it's not as funny is what i got Okay play your funny thing first Well here's what I have Hey why doesn't it play? It's a little faster now I think Is that the faster one? Think it is the faster one This came in from Torrey Pines High School, San Diego. Student Voices! And this is actually a... I guess it's from the student newspaper and they have a couple of slaves in training The question is was the Department of Justice correct in using a subpoena to access Associated Press' records?

2:03:52 Are you interested in hearing what the students of Torrey Pines High School in San Diego say? Oh, absolutely! Charlie Pope 9 years old says they are justified. If one of the CIA's own told a person information then it is their own responsibility. Casey Cunningham 10 years old she says It was for the overall good everyone involved national security is more important than someone writing in newspaper. Right, good kids? Ali Zimmer is 11. Yeah! I think it's okay because it's our country and they're doing this to keep us safe It's a reasonable thing to do And finally Santiago Quintana who's 12 says Hey man not wiretapping would compromise the safety of our nation The AP should be sorry maybe even properly say so

2:04:46 There you go, ladies and gentlemen. That's your future! That is truly the future of the slaves in America. Yep that's your future. about the Bill of Rights. Can you play that please? And by the way, before I start... It's less offensive what Bill Maher said than the audience's reaction to what Bill Maher said. Oh boy! We talked about this before on the show If it is good for the goose it's good for the gander You know? I mean if the fourth amendment now is up for debate and apparently it is because all these things we're doing if you go through the fourth amendment line-by-line now we've kind of really abrogated that then why isn't the second amendment up for debate because its just as obsolete as the fourth amendment

2:05:47 No, no, no. The applause sign went on! They don't know what they're... well yeah but they didn't actually listen to what he said What he said essentially was that the Bill of Rights which includes this Second Amendment and the Fourth Amendment and the First Amendment and the Tenth Amendment and everything in between is up for grabs because we've or he's accepted story on the Fourth Amendment being useless or archaic or old-fashioned, whatever the heck he said. This is the most disgusting person in the world to do this! It's the most anti American thing he has done...to say that essentially the Bill of Rights is bull crap

2:06:36 So there's no freedom of press. If it's up for grabs, good for the goose, good for the gander! Let's take another second look at the First Amendment. Freedom of religion? Screw that! Freedom of press and freedom of assembly? Screw it! This is horrible I don't know if they took it that way...I took that a little differently. I thought he was saying it facetiously No, he hates the Second Amendment So why would he say it facetiously? He has a gun. He's a gun owner. Well, that's beside the point No, he did-that was-he's not a facetious person. He meant it! He meant that the Fourth Amendment shot so the Second Amendment just gotta go. Should we have looked at the Fourth Amendment? Well, we've looked at in the past We can look at it again I think maybe should just talk about her for a second because what's always interesting about these when people say oh there is the fourth amendment you know The First Amendment and Second Amendment

2:07:31 You sometimes just got to go and read it and just see what it says, and let's see if it is reasonable or not. I have it here the text of the Fourth Amendment. The right of people to be secure in their persons houses papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated So...I like this again This is-the fourth amendment Is NOT a RIGHT! I HAVE THE RIGHT to be secure in my person, house, paper and effects against unreasonable search and seizures. The Fourth Amendment is telling the government you cannot violate my already existing rights." In addition, no warrants shall be issued but upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched and persons or things to be seized

2:08:27 Now, I think they get around. Yes that's the end it's that simple so it has been reasonably encroached and by the way I should mention this the reason this was written in the first place is because during the pre-revolutionary war times George III and his goons they were just busting into anybody's house whenever they felt like it kind of like what happened in Boston yes which there's a word for that And I had that last, because I was reading about the governor. Maybe I have it here... So the governor of Massachusetts The story is... What's his name? I bet you still have this story here somewhere. What's his name? Governor... What's his name John? I don't know! Why don't you know this? You're in the book of knowledge Patrick, that black guy

2:09:22 Is his name Patrick? Yeah, Deval. Deval. Oh, D-E-V-A-L? Yeah. Hmm... I can't find it offhand. Oh yes! Here it is. Um... After here this is pretty funny so after the manhunt was over he apparently went out and got hammered yeah Yeah, so I just want to read this to you. This is very interesting. Governor Deval Patrick gave a candid behind-the-scenes look at the horrific days after the Boston Marathon bombings telling employees that a Cambridge marketing firm yesterday he got quite drunk the day after the intense manhunt finally ended and we know why he got drunk because he knows that there was no evidence there's no video evidence of anything that went on

2:10:04 Right, he was the one who let these stormtroopers go in and out of one house after another. So here's how he plays it back... By the way dressed as storm troopers Yes that's even worse Patrick said the killing of bomber Tamerian Sarnef and the capture of his younger brother Jokar Sarnef on April 19th was a relief because people wouldn't be bitching and moaning, he said about the unprecedented shelter in place order. He gave that day and he says he claims the president called him and said hey Yval, how long you keep that shelter in place in place? Did you know about that is called a shelter-in-place if that was the actual word. Yeah I knew it was the words they used. I didn't...I think that's a great term. I didn't know that. Shelter-in-place doesn't mean like crouch and cower It's the same thing as they do with those kids at school. Yes! That's exactly what it is go crouching in the dark closet, cowering in the corner and be a wimp

2:11:04 crouching tower. Well, that's... So what did the president tell him? What was the... Go back to that He said he said Deval I'm briefed! What are you going to do about the city?! You can't keep it locked down indefinitely!! I said Mr. President I know that I'm trying to sort that out now basically the state police had said we should end this when we finish the door to door in Watertown, so if we haven't found him, we should say to people look live your lives but please be careful because he's still at large." And then it was just more about him being drunk. Interesting. Yeah I like that. Crouch and cower So you remember when we did the... So what? You catch yourself more than i catch myself at the moment anyways anywho

2:12:09 It's horrible, no take that away. That is mean, that is unnecessary roughness I call it We heard a story we talked about this sometime back when there was some stuff we were picking up on C-SPAN about the massacre that took place in Yemen early in Obama's bombing career The place was called It was some village where they kill all these women. Yeah, it's where they make the cots...the drugs And so I want to play that clip which is the...some here...where is it? Attack on Yemen we heard about first time that time. Play that.

2:12:57 Well, the first time that President Obama authorized any strikes against Yemen was December 17th 2009. Yemen had been bombed by the United States once before that under President Bush in November of 2002 and president obama was expanding the authorities for the joint special operations command in the CIA to strike in countries beyond Afghanistan and elsewhere around the world And in this first missile attack The US used cruise missiles and cluster bombs on this small Bedouin village in the, in Majula, in Abyan province. And they said that they were targeting an al-Qaeda leader and an al-Qaeda training camp. It turned out that the bombing killed 46 people 14 women and 21 children. The Yemeni government actually took responsibility for the strikes and said its own air force had conducted it and that was a successful attack against an Al Qaeda base. The United States began conspiring with the Yemeni regime to bomb Yemen

2:13:55 and then have the Yemenis take responsibility for it. And General David Petraeus, a CENTCOM commander was revealed in the WikiLeaks cables to have hatched this plot with the Yemeni dictator Ali Abdullah Saleh but this was one of the most gruesome attacks that's been conducted over the past three years in Yemen shredding human beings children and women in this strike that they said was aimed at an al-Qaeda camp So we've talked about this before, that with these details. They also had some people on from Yemen including this one guy who is describing essentially this was like hundreds of cows and sheep and goats and these women and children and when the cluster bombs came in it blew everything up killed all these animals which I think at least Obama bots can get worked up about that kill all these animals and according to this guy who was on the scene later he says it was like meat

2:14:46 Mixed meat we had pieces of cow with humans disgusting description, and it was all burnt up and stuff Yeah, it was just a horrible... probably stunk to high heaven. Whatever the case, he's explaining kind of this at the end of The Democracy Now! show and this is one of those things I want to point out with this clip which is The Democracy Now or Amy Goodman ends show in a hurry This is one of the reasons I want to point out that people why you're supporting this show because we never, in fact broadcasters can get around us but generally speaking its disgusting they have to end the show when the middle somebody chatting and here's an example

2:15:23 Honestly, we could only find very few whom we can recognize. It was mixed with hundreds of sheep and goats. They were all mixed together with blood. And they got... They were bombed with about six or seven Sheikh Salim bin Farid and Nasser Al-Awlaki, I want to thank you both for being with us. We're so sorry the broadcast has ended we will continue the conversation after posted at democracy now dot org Dirty Wars which covers this opens today in Washington DC in Los Angeles and New York at the IFC and Lincoln Plaza and Washington E Street Theater and at The Landmark Theater in Los Angeles And I'll be touring at the Laugh Factory

2:16:10 And uh... Yeah, she gets all his plugs in at the end but she can't let the guy finish. This is why these shows stink! It was a mixed meat shish kebab plate which smelled really delicious Very nice. I think that some of the media people can't get it out of their heads, you know the people who work in these commercial operations... Can't help themselves. And so and i think its getting to them because if you play this clip Central Coast you'll see what im talking about This is a little outro For this week's Ag Report Im Brianna Bermansolo your Central Coast News What? How come I didn't understand this one. She said Central Coast schnooze! With this week's Ag Report, I'm Brianna Berman Solo your Central Coast Schnooze

2:16:56 That's right, it was the Ag Report so yes it was a snooze. What are you doing watching the Ag Report Dvorak? I always watch that, its very important in California to watch the Ag Reports Now if you didn't think that was bad enough... Yeah oh no Okay we're wrapping up The Armed Services Committee has finally voted on a bill and they're going to just pass it and they're in the process of doing the voting and the rest of it And then this happens clowning in Congress. The chair now recognizes the gentleman from Texas, Mr Thornberry vice-chair of the house for the purpose of a motion. Mr Chairman I move that committee report the bill HR1960 as amended favorably to the House with a recommendation that it do pass. The question is on the motion of the gentleman from Texas, Mr Thornberry so many are in favor will vote aye

2:17:54 Those opposed, no. I call for a vote! I want to count... I'm sorry to interrupt this late date but i would be doing a bad job we have a member of our staff whose birthday is today as well What? We don't have a song and we'll sing Kind of embarrassed about that but Tim McLeese who has done an outstanding job for us What is going on? So Mr. Chairman, if you want to quickly sing the Republican song... Would you like that song? Yes, do the Republican song I don't remember it This is your birthday song It doesn't last too long Hey! Second verse

2:18:45 It's much like the first. This is your birthday song, it doesn't last too long I'm trying to give you guys a chance to learn this. It takes some of us years Happy Birthday! I'd like to thank the members for working in such a harmonious bipartisan manner The heck is this? That's what it was. You're watching your Congress at work! Wow, and then they get thanked for the harmonious manner in which they sang together? Alright well then I get to do something stupid that was on television This came in this morning, I'm sure you've heard about it So the Bilderberg group or what you call John The Drinking Club is going on over there in Watford Watford I believe is where Elton John is from I think Is he invited?

2:19:44 I think he's performing in the foyer actually. And you know every single year, we've looked at this...I met a couple Bilderbergers The current Minister of Foreign Affairs for the Secretary of State is what you'd call him in the Netherlands He's the guy that I interviewed once on the Dutch radio show where they burned the station to the ground and he said You're doing very important work here. You gotta continue this. He was trying to give me like a clue We're really up to no good But this Bilderberg, you know it's like oh the last time was oh they're there and Romney is the man. The new world order has determined that Romney is going to win? Well how'd that work out so now I'm much more on the drinking club front

2:20:30 But this year, there must be 3,000 people out there. And it's funny because you can see now whether some of them are... I'm sure some people are doing it intentionally. You know, there was an actual guy in a clown suit. The clown makeup on running around this you know these people ventriloquist talking the whole thing so it makes it look like a bunch of nut jobs true true freaking nut jobs who really some people have very good analysis There's some really intelligent people there You know we we look at and we try to give you an alternative version of what's happening in the world

2:21:11 But what discredits us time and time again, Alex Jones is an a-hole. He goes out there and he does this stuff on mainstream television which makes it that much harder for anyone to question any type of True conspiracy which are the stories the mainstream and then the minority? Mainstream media propagates when you do things like this on the BBC and by the way There's no reason for him to go on the BBC. He says he's got three million listeners 40 million people watch his videos There's no reason for him to go on the BBC on a Sunday because he just always I mean just listen how this ended it was

2:21:52 unbelievable how he is hurting, hurting the alternative media's chances at reaching anybody because the minute you bring up anything now people think that this is who you are. And that's why because the establishment doesn't know what to do against his people. Alex has this point and it's an important one I would have, say ten years ago said listen to all this stuff he believes that people put cancer virus in vaccines in order to create a eugenics program. That's what he believes. We talk about medical discoveries... And we would've said and i would've said hey that kind of mad an so on it is interesting psychological phenomenon. Like the speedy blackmail cellulose? The problem is conspiracy theories like this are believed Hey listen! Im here to warn people you keep telling me shut up This isn't a game

2:22:39 okay our government the u.s.'s building fema camps we have an india where they disappear people now you have this arrest for public safety life in prison you are the worst person i've ever interviewed no it's basically off with their heads, disappear them take them away infowars.com liberty is rising! liberty is rising! freedom will not stop! you will not stop freedom! humanity is awakening! I'll be looking at the week ahead with our political panel. Until then, The Sunday Politics of Across the UK!

2:23:27 So I think this really, I think it's unnecessary. Before you go can you can I just interrupt for a second before yeah because i want to hear what you say but this reminds me of that guy that has the question marks all over his suit remember that guy? The Riddler? He sold a book and hiding in all its money from the government guy yeah he had all these question marks on his suit. I had an agent, i won't mention his name because it's ridiculous who said you know what you ought to do? I know we can get a bestseller out of this because you got the same guy... You know that guy forgot his name! You should do something like that! This is like this is like what Alex Jones is doing it's just uh he's just a clown What yeah complete complete clown here's the guy

2:24:15 Hold on, what's his name? I got him on the Googles. Free money Matthew Lesko Yeah, Lesko You know you could pull it off actually if you put on the suit and bow tie The bow tie that really tops it So what were you thinking when you heard this by the way No no no I can't take it I cant take it Whoa what was that? You cant take their clip of the day No, I can't take it. I cannot accept it. Why? No, I can't! I don't think its that great. Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I'll hold it in abeyance. You got a second place. After you compared me to Glenn Beck. That still kind of smarts a little bit. Poor thing... Well, you won't be so sensitive after Mickey shows up and slaps ya around.

2:25:10 This is so unnecessary and so stupid and so counterproductive. It really is! Now, you just got to question the motives... No I'm in total agreement with you on this that there's no- this guy has got some motives behind this sort of ranting because it makes everybody including us look like a- Oh ho not a conspiracy jerks! And here's what's really important understand He is so 1970 with his FEMA camps and what else was he yelling about? They're coming to take you away. The NDAA has been disappearing people. Okay, so here is what you need to understand it is so much more subtle but so much worse than that

2:26:02 It is so beyond, no one's coming to take you away to a FEMA camp. No I think you having those kids clips... Yes this is the subtlety of it! This is where the kids say oh that's a free press that's not important we don't need that yes this is this is the real problem this is really where its going and this is what you have to protest if you really want to do something Do this with your own family, do this in your own environment. Do this with your own friends and you got to be because now it's gotten that much harder You can't just say well this is nuts we're teaching our kids to cower in the corner We're teaching people to what was the term again? Shelter-in-place

2:26:47 balance out your security for your freedom. This is the thing you need to fight that, that the only thing that he has right is and I wish they didn't this is a whole idea of an information war That is the truth. And it's so much more damaging, but if they want to kill you, dude that's not a problem we just release one of the viruses there are tons of ways to do it this does not have come and take you away You know what? It's annoying they're not going to take you away! It's annoying to have to stack bodies anywhere or put them in camps and take care of them They don't want that It's too much work. They're re-educating your children, you're no longer important! You and I John we have no stake in the outcome anymore quite honestly which is why i think we are so free No I agree, I think that we have zero stake in the outcome And actually even my kids

2:27:43 have maybe Jay might have some I think this is a long-term process yeah probably take one more generation and then you just have the whole public could be gone you know they essentially we lose the Republic to the one world order or whatever. Whatever that thing is. We'd probably running it, not saying that...we would be running Americans, but it's like there's the public could just be left behind But it is truly only a matter of you changing your own attitude and behavior That's all that. It is when miss Mickey says this is great and people are gonna wake up I have to say I'm cautiously little optimistic But you really have to we got to work at so much more And you need to do very simple things

2:28:29 Like saying don't install flash or the new Adobe whatever but also Hey, did you know that the first and second and third and fourth amendment that they're not rights? But that they are actually right. You already have in there And this is stuff the government can do to your existing rights These are very minimal things but when people see that they go huh They don't even know this I don't even know this. I know that one little fact which you like to pound, which is... Yes! ...I think you should because i never do it uh... is really important for people realize that the constitution was to keep the government from doing things not give them abilities to do things and taxing And the president who keeps saying his first responsibility is to protect the american people is not true That is NOT his responsibility You can look in article two

2:29:20 And I picked it up just the other day. It is not true! He's supposed to do meetings, he's supposed to nominate people and he is the commander-in-chief which does not mean that he gets to declare war, or get to have more meetings and give some advice He does have a responsibility towards Congress to suggest he is in fact the president is supposed to buy article 2 Petition the government on behalf of the people that is one of the president's most important jobs. He's supposed to listen to the people and then go Okay, people I got you And he's supposed to go to Congress and say hey Congress here's what the people want instead. He's become this elaborate pitchman

2:30:09 to pitch whatever the agenda is on the inside and this particular president I have to say, i feel very very sorry because I thought for the longest time up until this week. I thought he was really part of part of the evil empire and now I find out he's just an actor really just an actor and he's afraid! He's afraid for his job he's afraid for his life Because he doesn't want to wind up like Martin Luther King. He's not going to fight against this stuff, he's not gonna fight for anybody! He is gonna shut-up read his lines don't bump into the furniture dogmate waves because he doesn't want to die The only thing he might do and I'm only repeating what we've heard on this show This is not something...I am not you know..don't wanna be taken the wrong way The only thing he might do is he might punch out early! Screw this!! He has talked about it, he said Michelle would take a hundred million they'd go

2:31:10 He says today, he says well you know I'll be gone sometime in the next three and a half years might be sooner rather than later. Don't waste your time impeaching this guy your problem is much much bigger much bigger You got to get every single one of these douchebags out of Congress and Senate just every single one of them This guy's...you gotta have a complete reboot And we have no stake in that it's gonna take decades And there's no way that anyone would do it because the way this rigged Yeah, because only Congress can impeach people in Congress. I think it's completely...I look this up. They've gerrymandered their way into permanent jobs. John Boehner for example is a known fact that he could be a child molester and he would not get voted out of that spot because they have gerrymandered his area. Does it make any sense to people where you have these districts, representative districts

2:32:00 and you have the district that has a little gob up here, and there's a long thin line that may go down 100 miles. And then over to the left where is another gob. This person represents this crazy district. We're doing this in Texas now too it's incredible the redistricting its nuts Yeah, they read districts and say well I'll tell you what. You can have this, this and this and they will vote Democrat no matter what but you've got to give me this, this and this because it's all Republican territory and then I know that I've got a job for life That is what they have done In your own little circle of influence, your own sphere of influence is where you can make these changes and live a happy life. Don't worry about buying seeds! No this is not going to help you or make you happier. Or storable food or water filter. Water filter I'm not against any of that but

2:32:59 I am the clowns like this is just that's useless you can run some really crappy vodka through those water filters and it actually improves no really I so I have not turned on the television since miss Mickey left. I have not and not even CNN or anything, I've only been watching online it was kind of my test And I think that it's been very successful. I don't think the show has suffered whatsoever, and I feel fantastic! I feel really really good. I've done...I've been very productive and done a lot of fun things. I'm a little disappointed there is one thing that's a real bummer. Real bummer

2:32:00 and you have the district that has a little gob up here, and there's a long thin line that may go down 100 miles. And then over to the left where is another gob. This person represents this crazy district. We're doing this in Texas now too it's incredible the redistricting its nuts Yeah, they read districts and say well I'll tell you what. You can have this, this and this and they will vote Democrat no matter what but you've got to give me this, this and this because it's all Republican territory and then I know that I've got a job for life That is what they have done In your own little circle of influence, your own sphere of influence is where you can make these changes and live a happy life. Don't worry about buying seeds! No this is not going to help you or make you happier. Or storable food or water filter. Water filter I'm not against any of that but

2:32:59 I am the clowns like this is just that's useless you can run some really crappy vodka through those water filters and it actually improves no really I so I have not turned on the television since miss Mickey left. I have not and not even CNN or anything, I've only been watching online it was kind of my test And I think that it's been very successful. I don't think the show has suffered whatsoever, and I feel fantastic! I feel really really good. I've done...I've been very productive and done a lot of fun things. I'm a little disappointed there is one thing that's a real bummer. Real bummer

2:33:41 You know, because I'm so excited about ham radio and you know, really. I got some ideas about Morse code and which has been around for 170 years and is still valid in relative today. And I find out the FBI has put out a tender, you know, a tender where they are requesting to purchase something they have to do this You know, so RFP it's an RFP quest for person. Yeah So what they so there's this document and it's the required so is the equipment that they want I come 9500 ah 800 antenna yesu vx8 dr with Mars mod FC 40 antenna icon IC 9100

2:34:30 Kenwood THD 72a, Kenwood TM 710 2 meter 70 centimeter. Icom ICR2, it goes on and on they are essentially building an entire lab because they heard that I was making Morse code cool again. They're like hey! Yes there's a good one. Hey that curry is all over this. What's Curry doing? We gotta stop that guy we got to listen in on what he's doing So one of the dad just before we go I got one last thing actually have a couple actually I can put this off I'll put it off till Thursday. It's that answer your question Oh, are you doing a tweet today? Yes, I am Perfect

2:35:16 I don't know what you're talking about. It's all gonna be about Prism and you're not going to be able to show it off? No, no! I'm gonna tell them the same story. I've got the column, I got the whole thing... ...I'm just not changing much. And you're not gonna mention Adobe at all or are we not gonna talk about...? I couldn't do that. You had all this stuff is not in my head but... Alright. But I do have a little thing where you can play end of show or you can play it now or never play it But I decided, and I've done this before. John Kerry gave a long speech it was like an hour And so i started skipping through it And then I realized you can skip through a John Kerry speech and just pick up a word or two

2:35:57 And you realize that all he does is throw in cliche after cliche. He's droning on it, click-click-click and it just like dumb useless speaker this guy, Useless Eaters is a useless speaker. He's terrible! Well should I play this? Why don't you play it for as long as you can stand it? Okay. War, for human rights! And let me point out this is John Kerry, Secretary of State who signs his name John F. Kerry so y'all kind of get the inference that he's the new JFK He's the second coming of Camelot Community As many of you might know I am even if its just a short while inclined to act

2:36:44 a possibility and time of promise. Tremendously, to each and every one of you, I know the deep personal connection that I have with survivors and veterans. And to sit at that ceremony in 1986 almost 30 years ago, this is at the top of the mountain across the Dead Sea We had a big debate. Why don't we just call him cliche carry from now on? It's good man, it's like when he speaks he can say in 1986 it has to be in 1986 almost 30 years ago yeah and what is he taking further by the Gregorian calendar I mean you can't just get tell you what his point is yes Yeah in 1936 in the year of our Lord almost thirty years ago which is three decades

2:37:29 Cliche carry anymore, but you get the idea I would like to do two plugs here two plugs one is one of our relatively new listeners James Prohoshka has released a self-published book on Amazon. It's an interesting book So it's kind of it's for The Book Club Andrew Jackson and The Vampires An alternative historical fiction screenplay And it's a screenplay, it reads like a script. It's printed like a script and reads like a script... I say that it is pretty funny! And its kind of one these things you know.. Its just short book One these things that when you read them you go... So that and then completely... I wanted to... Do you remember Kevin the Blade? Yeah Kevin The Blade He was the Canadian kid who listened to No Agenda

2:38:28 And I was looking for someone to help me edit the big app show when I was still doing that. Remember him? Oh, that's some time back. Yeah, Kevin The Blade. Back in the LA days. So Kevin The Blade and he basically gave up and went back to Canada with his girlfriend and he has been toodling around but he has come up with a project... He is an intern essentially. I paid him whatever I could but he really worked for basically no money And so I wanted to thank him by giving him a plug for his new project, which i think is going to be A massive hit and he's doing uh... I don't know if it's a kickstarter or an Indiegogo or something. Anyway It's called come giggle with me ComeGiggleWithMe.com and its a reality cooking show with people who are stoned on marijuana That's funny you know I've always wanted to do a talk show

2:39:21 Really similar to this it was but it was different my idea is this and I still think it's valid The name of the talk show is Legally Drunk. Okay, yeah that sounds about right! And you have to have a breathalyzer. Right to make sure your legally drunk. You take the breathalyzer and then an announcer comes over and big thing slams on the screen LEGALLY DRUNK!! Okay, your good to go! And then what? Then you get on the talk show? Then you're on the talk show I'd be the host...I would be sober. Yeah uh-huh. And you just get people yakking drunk because they'll say all kinds of crazy things

2:39:58 It would be a great show. Somebody's produced this show! I like it, well so in this case five stoners are pitted against each other to see who can cook the best munchies and throw the best party Oh but that is similar Yeah Legally drunk is good How about legally baked? I think its funny when people are stoned because when people are drunk they can also get aggressive Well thats fine too That's good television Its great television I would produce this with you And here's your host of Legally Baked Who would be your first guest? I think you first got to find people that are, that like to drink. But I can do legally...I'll get baked for your show to be a guest. Well baked implies marijuana or something like that. Yeah yeah no i don't want to do legally drunk. I'm not going to do a baked show because it's too slow moving and nobody would ever be aggressive and they wouldn't start yelling or falling off the chair drunk

2:40:55 Come on, it's a good opportunity. Yeah yeah you're right you're right what am I thinking? Fantastic Oh hold on Alright i guess that's it We actually have a little jingle for that It's time to drink up There ya go That would be your opening That would be the opening Drink Up Whew! Okay well quite a show I would say You have to get moving You going up there right? To the... Oops sorry let me try that again Crazy not to Yeah no it was good and I shall be putting the finishing touches on cleaning up the house here for the lady of the manor as she returns. She should leave it a mess! Yeah right, that's some great advice there John You're already married you don't have to show off Besides that usually when guys clean up the house and the woman comes home after some

2:41:56 She's wow what did you do the house is a mess? You can't win That's true. That's true. You can't wait absolutely all right everybody Thank you very much for tuning in to the best podcasting universe where we bring you our analysis of worldly events and such twice a week Thursdays and Sundays here, uh... And of course we'll be back on Thursday to bring you another jam-packed episode. Who knows what will happen? If you're a celebrity I'd be careful! Someone's gotta die between now and Thursday to change the news cycle. I'm looking at you Mandela

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