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00:03 Riding the wake of the new Weimar Republic, still free and at large. It's time once again for no agenda emanating from both coasts of Gitmo Nation From The United Kingdom I'm Adam Curry And i am in Northern Silicon Valley San Francisco Bay Area I'm John C Dvorak Hey John how you doing on this Sunday? Not that well because my local football team coached by a guy who obviously can't do the job anymore lost So sorry to hear that Talk about the University of California bears. Yeah, I'm a little bit out of whack just time zone wise I was in Amsterdam yesterday with with the girls we had a surprise party for Bob who's my stepdad and So you know between the San Francisco? Time difference and then that one hour between London and and the mayor between the UK and the continental Europe That really throws me off wack

01:08 And of course it's just Sunday in general, and I'm coming back tomorrow. So you say? Yes. So unfortunately the plan that we had initially was for you to send me a DVD of the CNN side-by-side with the debate along with the audience data from Ohio or whatever And that first was going to be sent on DVD, but there were all kinds of... Unbelievable. You can't get a DVD overnight to Europe anymore? That seems to be impossible? Well there's something to do with at least what we could figure out It had something to do with you couldn't do it because of some restriction I don't know We couldn't get it until Monday was the point You're kidding me! So if you send it on Thursday and couldn't get in there until Monday

02:01 That's what seems to be the case. Yeah, DHL FedEx and UPS But you have no idea what the limitation was there was something to do in 9-11 There were some now you're kidding me know that's what Maggie said I don't know I didn't talk to these people it had to do with 911 and then you couldn't send Me a disc that just telling ya That's the report I got. So then of course you had poor, was it David? Chris. Chris IT. You had him upload 4.4 gigs onto some fucking server and then you actually believe or someone there thought that i was going to download that? We can barely keep a Skype connection going on

02:44 on the bandwidth. I got like... It do seem unreasonable? I got like one megabit down, you want to do the calculation? it took him like one hour uploaded yeah he's gotten more a bandwidth uploading that i have to four gigs is an amazing amount of data. Well thought you would have somebody at the office doing it. It doesn't matter because he uploaded two US server And we don't have a dedicated backhaul. You're not getting like, you know true download data rates across the ocean it just doesn't happen that way particularly uh... you know the server they uploaded it to So he never got the disk? I didn't have 36 hours! But anyway so I thought

03:32 We could play it a little bit differently. An amazing thing happened on my way back from the United States to Europe, I stopped caring about the presidential debate! It's pretty funny that way. That's funny you'd say that because my notes instead of being on a big giant box are are just on the back of an envelope and it's only like three things. And, so I arrived Thursday morning so they were still you know the debate was still kind of fresh because it took place in the middle of the night UK time um... and so I got like this summary which was literally on the BBC I kid you not John uh... You see them sit down at the table

04:17 You hear some blah, blah, blah voiceover and then they went straight to a montage of Joe the Plumber. Joe the plumber! Joe the plumber! Joe the plumber! The plumber! The plumber! Joe the plumber! And that was their entire report? Yeah they think there's a Jon Stewart show. The BBC?! It was unbelievable. And that was it, and there was... I saw some buffs. If you want to do something like that why don't just have a montage of Obama saying look Look Look Look Let me tell ya, my friends Joe the Plumber So anyway But i would love to hear your highlights because obviously I heard a couple of them

04:59 I've been reading a few quotes. You can't get away from it, obviously there's no way you can be in touch with any media and not pick up some pieces of it. I would think so. So I'd love to hear your notes Well, I'll give a couple things for one thing About two-thirds of the way through the debate Obama all of a sudden decided that To heck with this format. I'm looking into the camera Oh he went he went to his teleprompter mode He was, well actually when he's on the teleprompter they usually left and right. He is actually looking off yeah true They don't usually keep one on the camera or I mean they probably do they will but no he just looked into the camera started you know telling people look you know we got a blah blah blah blah and he started talking to the audience Right There was a couple interesting facts that came out in the debate One...I guess they figured this out

05:53 Which is kind of interesting, you know because Obama's so international and all this. He's never been south of the border. Hmm... How did that come out? He just said I've never been down to Mexico? No, no, Bill McCain just said it! He says you've never been south of the border You've never been to Mexico or South America And meanwhile your trying to do this treaty with I think it was Colombia There's some bill or something he's against in it Right Oh interesting He doesn't know what he's talking about Uh huh Huh Now I thought that was interesting cause there's a guy supposed to be well traveled I mean, of course the thing is that we have to always remember is that George Bush before he was elected president was never out of the country at all. He didn't even have a passport! Right... Like most Americans That's 3%, 25% came up again

06:41 Oh, now did McCain say anything about that? No. You want to just explain that briefly because that is an irker and I don't know if everyone listening... We have 3% of the world's oil reserves yet we use 25% of Daniel Oil production. It's a complete specious thing to say. One does not have anything to do with the other If we use that 3%, how long would that last us? It would probably last us, you know, God knows how many decades Because that 3% is a lot. And the other fact is, of course if you want to talk about stuff like this you have to mention that we have 350 years worth of coal energy available to us within our own borders. McCain wants nuclear!

07:35 He does one, yeah apparently he does. Which is weird because one of the biggest providers of nukes is General Electric and they obviously don't want McCain But at the end of day their backing him you know there backing him come on Oh come on they got MSNBC just an NBC network No oh of course but they've got a hedge You're just talking about what...but they've got a hedge They've GOT A HEDGE no doubt abou it I saw, just as an interlude. I saw what's her name? Lynn Forrester de Rothschild was on Fox News the other day and she is now saying because she was supporting Obama and now she is saying I'm switching, I am supporting McCain. Huh! Yeah, just speaking of big money... She was good. Yeah, I don't remember ever seeing her. Okay a couple more things there are not that many

08:32 Obama did say, and I'm sorry. We like to look at offshore in terms of drilling and McCain busted him for saying we're going to look at it. He said what does that mean? That was cute. Obama said his faux pas that i thought was funny he said this is a direct quote... Did anyone catch it? No, of course not. Nobody catches anything. Anything that's unfair I will enforce!

09:09 Here's a couple more gaffes. Here is a McCain gaffe, which it wasn't a gaffe it was just bull. McCain threw in Herbert Hoover this is like what you call a call back for people over 70. But anyway so he says Hoover implying that Obama was going to be the next Herbert Hoover which by the way would be the case based on my cycles. He says, we went from a deep recession because of Hoover. We went from a deep recession to a depression. That's bull! It's just... This is not true right? I don't know. Bull. Hoover when he was in office when he got elected that was not there was not a deep recession going on at least by any standards i've ever researched

09:59 Anyway, there was a crash during his thing and it just drove into a deep recession and right into a depression after he got elected. Now I'm a little bit younger the only reference I have to Herbert Hoover is the theme tune to All in The Family Oh right yeah that's funny So why would Archie Bunker like Herbert Hoover? It was just to mock the Republicans Nobody liked Herbert Hoover anyway McCain had one more kind of a gaffe where he didn't call him, you know like Joe the Plumber I guess became...I was talking to my wife about this. This is the way people used to be named back in the feudal era You'd be Joe Carpenter or Adam Broadcaster would be your name or something When Napoleon conquered Europe

10:50 In the Netherlands you see a lot of this. Everyone had to re-register their names and because, you know typical Dutch they registered with really... so some was like I'm John the Carpenter or Tim Ramon or I'd be The Baker and you still have lots of these very simple names but there are a lot of them that people had later centuries later change their name because it was like some really rank shit. Like I'm Peter The Whore stuff like that. Yeah, there's all kinds of funny examples. Well you know those guys have a dry sense of humor over there. No shit! So McCain at one point called Obama Senator Government. That's...Senator Government? That's pretty funny. He said Senator Government, not Obama

11:39 Senator government. Again, you know nobody's... I never saw any of this written about it just like nobody does a very good job of any of this Meanwhile the one thing that i thought was interesting and that nobody again here McCain had a shot at this Obama made the out-and-out claim and you can find in the transcript that the average health care plan for individual in this country anyone is twelve thousand dollars a year What? That's what he said. That means everyone is paying $1,000 a month in health care premiums. That can't be true! It's not true. That's the point. McCain has another high number which is closer to reality for some people which is $5800 a month and he said that. I think that's not the average number either. No, I think it's lower than that

12:31 Well, what is the typical cost for an employee at a startup company? Yeah. And let's see... our benefits I think are pretty good we even have uh... we pay half dental even which i guess is good yeah I think it's between two and three thousand A year Yeah, I don't think yeah. Where's the 12 000 coming from? Maybe he says it and nobody calls him on it in the media Nobody calls it. I mean this is but to throw out some outrageous number like that But you know what because i've had to pay for my own personal health care every so often And I know what the figure is It's not cheap

13:11 But it's not $12,000 for God sake. Well I'll tell you we have private insurance I couldn't I was afraid to switch honestly because then Patricia would have a pre-existing condition and she has been on this medical before heart trouble and we're paying about 4,500 euros a year. And she has had some really expensive shit done. So I still don't understand where the 12 thousand comes from that just makes no sense but it's really... It comes out of his ass is where it comes from and I'm actually shocked that this stuff just flies around and nobody says anything about it. I'm not because this is like Boston Legal, you know? You watch it for Denny Crane and you know and for Shirley and when they get into the real courtroom stuff in a technicality like uh... just gloss over who gives a shit we're watching the show here okay so here's the news this morning of course

14:04 Colin Powell endorses Barack Obama and everybody runs this is a straight story. The funny, the interesting thing about that story to me is nobody makes the following connection... Except you my friend! Colin Powell, where is he getting most of his money nowadays? You know he's a consultant. Consultant yeah, isn't he like... For Kleiner Perkins who was run which is largely run by John Doar who was a major Democrat funder who also hired Al Gore so they could do their green stuff and so you have this little cabal out here on the West Coast consisting of Door, Gore and Powell And then he endorses Obama and everyone shocked

14:47 You know, Schwarzenegger's in that group too. As is Bono. Yeah I know but they're not on the Kleiner Perkins masthead. Colin Powell is on the Kleiner Perkins masthead and so is Gore If you go to KleinerPerkins.com or K-P-B-C-B, Kleiner Perkins Golf Fuel and Buyer dot com and look at their partners you'll find their names And may I just say that to state the obvious Look who they invest in there one of our investors In The Financial Times, The Weekend Edition Colin Powell was in the UK just maybe Thursday

15:27 and he sends a picture of him on stage with uh... here, new tune. Colin Powell dances with Nigerian hip-hop group at London festival this week it is that you know he's got these guy like his fingers sticking out like he said doing it oh yeah and its gonna sunglasses I gotta send you the picture he looks like such a blogger it looks like Kanye West is next to him that doesn't look like the nigerian guy think it's kanye west I'm sure maybe it's online, but you got to look at it because what it's like yeah that That's the guy that endorses Obama So anyway so that was fixed. That was rigged

16:04 And, you know I'm just kidding. Just imagine that John Doar was strong-arming him You know But they were already ramping that up and you were reading the possibility of him endorsing Obama for at least 36 hours Well they... That type of ramp up The way they were doing it was obviously to see what kind of pushback was going to happen Exactly And they got none, obviously. Pierce said well what do you expect? So they're probably just going to blame it on the fact that Powell's black and all the blacks are gonna push for Obama and that's that but that's not the reason is because of this green stuff. Are you done because I want to continue on Obama if you're done with a debate Yeah! I think now is time to talk about project Oscar Mike November Delta Okay here we go You don't know Oscar Mike November Delta

16:54 Oscar Mike November de OMND. Yes, that would be the Obama MILF next door Oh God do you really want to talk about that now? What do you want to talk about it later? We'll keep that a surprise for later yes That's probably good idea I think we should finish the project before we actually reveal the details. Well, there's been a new twist to...to the project Since you sent me the email? Yeah, there has been a couple more emails Okay, well I think we should use that as a teaser. You should document this and take just few notes you don't have to like get carried away. Believe me i'm taking notes. I even have my daughter in on this she's helping me out. Dude this is like family project now! Alright maybe next week will be more appropriate because then it actually might even come to closure

17:50 As it were okay, so let's we're gonna leave the audience hanging even though you know that that did you know although? That is kind of a job. They must hate us for that I thought you know what I don't think so I mean the fact is let me just explain to the audience Adam has this kind of an amusing project Unfortunately, talking about it could ruin the outcome and we don't want to ruin the outcome. You see I don't think so! We have too many... No you say that but i'm not..I don't take any chances in this kind of a situation Alright because it is a good well anyway let me just say that part of the project is to understand more about um the operations of the Obama campaign Is that fair to say? Yes you can say that Okay And one of things has already come out of this project

18:33 is that the Obama camp is extremely, not just worried but convinced that if he wins it'll be an automatic recount. And its funny because this comes on the heels of the Acorn Ohio voter registration fraud and all this kind of noise starting to crop up I think they might have a good point Well thats why... The other thing people should know about is the 50 state strategy And you find that, if I go to Berkeley now to shop at one of the better vegetable stands. One of the upscale vegetable stands? Well it's not really upscale but it's got definitely... When you can buy 10-20 different kinds of mushrooms including chanterelles for nine bucks a pound, this is gonna be something. You know your in Berkeley!

19:22 Well, anyway the place is crawling with people. They're signing anyone up they can for... I mean they are still collecting money like it's going out of style but they have this thing called a 50 state strategy which is they're gonna push to get their numbers. They want so many, so much in the way of total headcount It has to be a landslide because they are afraid of the recount Right. And there's also a big push to get people to absentee ballot as much as they can to try and get everyone to pre-vote. They want everyone to vote, if you can vote now, vote! Because they're worried that people are going to change their mind at the last minute because that does happen in these elections I'm a little confused about how this pre voting works because i already found out that was one of...I didn't know it was called the 50 state strategy but I know they were working on uh...on a lot of early votes How can it be we have people who are able to vote is that only by absentee ballot? That you could vote early or how does that work

20:26 Well, as far as I... In California, I think the only way you can vote early is with an absentee ballot. And in other states they may have some other process where you can actually go in and vote in advance. I don't know maybe somebody out there knows Some Obama supporter who could tell us. Yeah Alright So anyway yeah we'll talk about now because one of the reasons that I want to put off the deeper discussion about the Oscar Mayer North Dakota Is um The October 14th fiasco. Ah yes, about the alien ship that was supposed to surface somewhere near a place or thing called Alabama it was to be there for three days yeah well obviously I'm gullible bonehead

21:18 I might as well put that up front right there. I will say that... Totally, and i'm a gullible bonehead no doubt about it! I will say that there are you know there's a couple of like three or four pretty good video videos of UFOs and light ships taken around the globe on the 14th which is actually probably low for a typical day and I still believe that we're not alone in the universe but yeah, i'm pretty much done with the channeling business.

21:54 That didn't work too well for me. No, and you got a bunch of flack too but it was fun while it lasted You were actually slightly glib just before the day with the possibility perhaps I mean I find it hard to believe but with the possibility actually ringing in your head that this could happen Well yeah! I'm young and hopeful Hopefully. I'm hopeful we get invaded from Mars and all be killed and eaten! No, no... I was hoping for an invasion. Now that i know that they're not coming or at least the messages of them coming were bogus now worried about us getting eaten alive here on earth by the reptiles that run the freaking place so now i can focus my energy entirely on uh... the world around us in the true reality

22:49 uh... because that's getting bad so talking about eating we had a dinner yes by the way i'm reminded of the show, I try to do these more often these segues there is this show on this hour has twenty two minutes one of their little sub shows called awkward segues and it just the funniest thing you've ever seen. It very difficult to write but anyways in terms of awkward segues we went to a restaurant called Aysa yes i'd just like to say they were going to go doing it have to drop our uh... target to some spritzer serving a little more and certainly affordable look maybe uh... unless formal less sticky but actually did you do these are the real gems is what we're looking for now is that he's great food at a reasonable price a nice atmosphere not near the the rich carlton said i mean it would basically john

23:45 The expensive stuff has been pretty shitty recently. We were disappointed, so I thought maybe going to the second tier which are places that are considered kind of gourmet-ish but you know wouldn't be getting a michelin star anytime soon uh... well not now we're not going to have enough with the rope light around the railing now i don't think so so we go to this place by sir which had a kind of a nice front and good night's front of the house is involved where in san francisco just two people now yes in san francisco it's a little bit um... off-the-beaten track kinda

24:25 No, actually that's a main one of the better parts of town is a town part of town where they Where there's a lot of restaurants Steiner and? Lombard and I thought the place was at the front of the house. I thought looked like it looked like it could have been in front of a disco It too many dark don't say it had rope lights all over the place. It was funny Yeah, it was like there wasn't... I didn't think it was a very good taste. And the front of the house also had kind of odiferous. The smells from the kitchen which was an open kitchen by the way and looked very clean and looked pretty nice but there was no ventilation in the front of the place near the street But in the back they had where most people were It's kinda like a covered garden Right, it was a covered patio and it was big but it was like being in somebody's backyard

25:18 You know, there was wood like a little porch and it was strange. It was unusual that said I think overall the food was worth them you know worth it was nice and it was very inexpensive yeah the service with the service is great was good and Yeah, it was almost kind of family atmosphere in fact There were some like some kind of family reunion with three or four tables shoved together right behind us But yeah, it was good. I was actually quite hammered whenever we had a couple glasses of wine. I don't know what happened to you but you were actually... What we did is that we had a glass of Chardonnay because they were going to have oysters and they had some very outstanding oysters. We got a couple dozen oysters and you were actually...I noticed this by the way You are actually hammered on the one glass of white wine

26:11 How do you know I'm hammered, John? What's the giveaway?" And, which I had to assume. Because the oysters obviously will not do anything to hamper... Not much no. You know that's not going to help and then we had a really nice bottle of 2004 Heights Cabernet which was you liked it and it was good and the thing is compared to these other places where were at where would have paid probably 80-90 bucks for a bottle this one was 55 which was cheap, relatively. Even though the wine you can buy I think at the store for $30. But it's right... You know what? I think all the prices of the wines to be honest about because i was looking at them were less than a double... Most these places are double retail markup. These guys may have been doubling wholesale price which is really old school way of doing things

27:08 You double the wholesale price and, or well actually you don't double it's more it comes out to be less than double the retail price. If you know that the wine is 30 bucks and they're selling for 55 and all of the other wines are matching they're less than doubled as opposed to the Ritz-Carlton where the prices of the wines were triple their retail price and you find that in most expensive restaurants now they're tripling the retail price. And it was corked Oh, the wine at The Ritz-Carlton was for. So anyway I would say this is a great restaurant to go with an acquaintance or friend possibly even family if it's like four and the kids aren't too young because otherwise they'd be bored not a place to take a date really no no definitely not it's too funky

27:59 You look like it, I don't know what it would be. It just doesn't feel like a date place No, yeah, I'm not going to include in Project Oscar Mike November Delta Good so my sister loves the foods talk by the way. I saw her last night she was and she lives in Italy and She was there with their kids And she said oh man when you guys talk about food particularly in Italy is it in the wine? I love hearing about the wine as he was actually kind of really complimentary about you which was unfortunate huh you You know, you want to hear from a... Well except for you the family seems pretty bright. Speaking of family and food I have extremely good news for you! I'm so glad i came back here had time on Friday to go into into the city with Patricia to look at the house

28:43 Oh yeah. And so you know we haven't, I've explained it here until you signed in blood on the dotted line there's no deal with the UK market which is good and of course the market is tanking and everyone's in terror But I knew that there were a couple of things that both Patricia and Christina had overlooked. Because, I know what they were falling in love with and it wasn't the right things And there was a secondary place like a backup that I knew we had to see which none of us have seen And so there were a number of signs, you know. When we're buying houses boy we really care about the actual numbers not... You know basically how do you feel? Do you want to live here etc.? Well that's a reasonable thing. You have to live in the place and if your uncomfortable or if the place has bad... I am not the cornball type but I believe there is a vibe that this place is nice. Yeah! You have good vibes or bad vibes

29:43 So there were a number of things, which I don't even have to explain. And then so we went to look at the other place and so you know it's... The minute Patricia walked in she was like oh and it's night-and-day difference in a number of aspects but she was like Oh wow this feels really good until you know there's whole bunch of things just tick tick tick and then right there in the kitchen John. Oh you're kidding me! No I'm not There is a off white cream colored aga Sitting right there like this is the sign for this is the hand of God has touched my shoulder and said This is though. This is the one so we've put in an offer, and hopefully will be able to get this place

30:21 That's too much. Yeah, cuz I know how much anybody who doesn't listen to the show all the time and by the way if you do Listen to this show please tell us we like to get our numbers up to a point where can actually make money but Adam has a there's a crackpot stove that I looked at years ago when I was getting upgrading my stoves and and called an Aga. That has always fascinated me, and Adam's the only person I know that actually has one, and now apparently there is more than one in the city And, uh... yeah. That would be the sign—yeah that would be the big you know... It's like that joke where the guy is on top of a roof and it floods You know he makes this Katrina flood and then he says um... The guy comes by in a boat and says hey do you need some help? He can get out of the boat and say no God is going to save me I don't have to worry about it

31:15 it. Okay, and the helicopter comes by and says no don't worry about it God's gonna save me! And then you know then something else and something else... and then the next thing you know he drowns and goes to heaven and he says well I thought you're gonna save me? And God says like shit I sent a helicopter or I sent a boat Exactly. Well, the agas aren't very typical in the city as far as I know it's much more of a country home type thing and what is nice about the Aga is that actually it becomes the center hearth not just for room but many cases the actual house because its on all the time imagine a huge cast iron oven It has four ovens and two hot plates on top

31:55 and you have the pets lying in front of it, you can put your fresh laundry on top of it to keep it warm before you put it away. You lean against it in the morning with your cup of tea I know that sounds real dorky but its really a lot more than just cooking device but Patricia is actually making chicken right now in the Aga here and it tastes better I mean, I've known my wife's cooking for almost a quarter of a century. And it's better when it's done in the aga! Yeah, I think it was... has something to do with the way that it uh... The way the heat is or the infrared rays are bouncing around? It's not just infrared. It's almost as though you're cooking in a cast iron

32:44 it's a it's just above surrounds would this i don't know how to work their mind but surrounds the the product with heat in such a way that it makes it and i'll because i was so quickly to say uh... sounds like you're stumped john they had enough i've never cooked on one of our very amiable even see just seen him as though he's always fascinated me because i know that people who have these devices rave about the product that comes out of them absolutely okay awkward segue Back to the front page of the Financial Times. I know you don't subscribe yet, so it's once again just chock full of nuggets and this one... You're going to want a blog this Andrew Lodd, L-A-H-D-E hedge fund manager who quit after

32:44 it's a it's just above surrounds would this i don't know how to work their mind but surrounds the the product with heat in such a way that it makes it and i'll because i was so quickly to say uh... sounds like you're stumped john they had enough i've never cooked on one of our very amiable even see just seen him as though he's always fascinated me because i know that people who have these devices rave about the product that comes out of them absolutely okay awkward segue Back to the front page of the Financial Times. I know you don't subscribe yet, so it's once again just chock full of nuggets and this one... You're going to want a blog this Andrew Lodd, L-A-H-D-E hedge fund manager who quit after

33:30 posting an eight hundred and seventy percent gain last year he quit any sent a two-page letter to all this already blogged how you did it to all of his clients thanking stupid traders for making rich and yes they said yes yeah and actually what do you say I am idiots whose parents paid for the prep school Yale in the Harvard MBA they were there for the taking He said he loved making those idiots his counterparty. But of course the part that I liked is that he then goes on to endorse marijuana, or hemp actually. Right exactly! I have the headline crackpot...I call him a crackpot. Of course we're all crackers here. This is clearly a brilliant guy no doubt about it. He knows what he's talking about-the innocuous plant

34:20 Here's the headlines. You get the headline, this is it This is my quote I like The evil female plant marijuana It gets you high It makes you laugh It does not produce a hangover Unlike alcohol It does not result in bar fights or wife beating So why is this innocuous plant illegal? Is it a gateway drug No! That would be alcohol Which is so heavily advertised in this country Yeah good on ya man Crackpot millionaire weed loving money manager calls it quits and thanks idiots out there. We'd loving money manager I Love writing headlines, yeah That's excellent Very funny we love in money manager oh And I wanted to say something about Obama because because we're not gonna come back to him i'm sure There's this PDF file floating out there that if you don't have a yet. I'll send it to you um

35:17 And it's empirical proof, of course. Of Obama using neuro-linguistic programming and other hidden hypnosis techniques in all of his speeches and television appearances. I think there is something to that! That's funny. Yeah, I'd like to read that. It could be something... It's like 60 pages and when you read it and I'm sure you've read up on NLP who hasn't? He is doing a lot of stuff that is maybe just some kind of training but its working thats for sure. Yeah he has got the bots working for him The Obama Bots Something we didn't talk about last week

36:08 which I'm kind of bummed about. Jörg Heider? I'm sure you blogged this... No, I don't know it doesn't ring a bell Do you remember who Jörg Heider was? no it doesn't ring a bell he was the extreme right-wing Austrian politician people equated with Hitler yeah yeah I do remember that so I never really looked into it of course and this is several years ago like what I'm sure he is someone coming from Austria that sounds like Hitler duh possible So, here's the series of events. He was on television in a roundtable debate and he said you know we have to put an immediate end to this banking mafia yeah I was really going off on a rant but really calling him the mob and organized crime 36 hours later...He's dead! A high-speed car crash by himself

37:02 And when you see the picture of the car, there's like this perfectly round puncture right in the roof above the driver side. Almost like an RPG hit it. But yeah pretty amazing. Taken out by a drone? You know I wouldn't even laugh about that honestly It's possible but you know i don't think...I dunno So, uh... Jorg Heider. I should look into that and see what the deal is Yeah, ummm....I'll send you a link. I gotta send you a lot of links there's so much stuff Bill Maher! You're fan of his show? I know you watch that don't ya? I can barely get through it because Maher is so creepy Well yeah he is. He had this guy on, the former Comptroller General

37:59 and the comptroller general is part of the, I guess it's the Congressional Oversight Bureau? Does that sound right? They're independent. I've never heard any of this stuff! I think they're independent from government but they have some kind of oversight God knows But this guy was on and I saw a YouTube clip And he lays into the whole bailout, he's like dude this is not 850 billion. This is a 56 trillion dollar deficit that we now have added to He was saying that the actual deficit if you take all of the off book transactions is 56 trillion dollars no 10

38:41 And I was kind of shaken by that. Like, okay... Well there's a number that the CIA factbook has on one of its pages showing all the deaths of all nations around the world and we're it's like We're at some number where the next country- we're dead last! We are the worst in the whole world Right. and the country up next to us- I gotta get this page. It's got to be Zimbabwe obviously No, no they're not even...no it's somebody else. Zimbabwe can't have enough debt to even get on the list. They're just poor. Right I'm sorry And by the way i do want to thank Stroh who sent me a 10 million dollar zimbabwe note and I hope to post it today You promised that last week Yeah you know what? I just cant get enough done

39:35 I can't get enough done, it's ridiculous. But anyway so yeah the debt is pretty bad but there was a guy that wrote again in the Financial Times, there was really good article by professor that broke down the bailout and extremely interesting ways and and is it with an argument that isn't it in fact it is a good idea and it was uh... well-structured so you know there's been two sides all these arguments now what i want to do unit who wanted to talk about this as we're talking about greenbacks is the green channel working on the same way did you get we have on them condition network now a new channel that showed up out of the blue called greener

40:24 And it has some of the most dreadful programming. And we've talked about this over at Mevio, is there any real market for... Everyone wants to do this green programming and is there anybody willing to sponsor it? It's questionable but this Green Channel is a proof-of-the pudding but you can see that the programming is so dreadful uh... it's if anyone has the dish network you should check this out and especially want to take a look at his dinner with tom tom farger on the guy who does no that's uh... he's like some dorky uh... home videos guide oh that's right america's funniest home videos yeah so he brings out in this is when i watch it but then by making a copy for u thanks

41:16 Because you have to watch it, because it's a jaw dropper. It's like a bunch of cliche... You know these people will sit around this whole group of old Hollywood types and they're all sitting around the dinner table eating this green very everything is local and all this other crap that's all trendy right now. And to listen to these guys spew these cliches about one thing or another, I think where I heard the one that just floored me, which is that you'll do more good for the Earth. By the way and this whole thing is all about... The more I watch this green stuff, the more I'm thinking it's political veganism bull. I'm with you man but you know what? It's NLP. It's total programming. Let me give you the meme

42:13 You do more good, more green comes of you. You produce more green whatever balance or the carbon footprint and everything's improved much more so if you become a vegetarian, you make a decision to stop eating meat and become a vegetarian than if you sold your SUV and never drove again. Or if you sold your SUV- I know! And bought a hybrid. Are you sure it's not- What is the logic in this? Well, look. We've been programmed through... These people hate cows! No it's all boils down to the horrific images of Al Green's movie. Al Green? That would be funny. Al Gore's movie. I like it! Call him Al Green. Dude that is an insult to the reverend okay?! I cannot do that. That is so wrong

43:04 No, Al Gore he had a great movie it freaked everybody out and it's been embedded you know in fact I was thinking about this particularly in light of this green shit and the carbon credits all this crap that we're gonna be get rammed up our ass pretty soon. Carbon tax? Well carbon credits that comes along with carbon tax I'm beginning to think that maybe the Bush-Gore election, maybe the whole point was to have it be a close call. Al to bow out gracefully and then come back as a hero to save the world. I am almost thinking it was planned! And look at how fast all of these taxes and all this crap came about

43:46 Meanwhile, the oil is down to 70 bucks a barrel. Flying is still outrageously expensive mainly because of all these idiotic taxes which keep getting put up on top of the regular fare It's crazy! And it's not as though the plane doesn't take off and land with or without the tags. Okay, is your channel called Planet Green? It says channel name green but the network is planet green... Is that possible? Is it a red-green dot? Is that their fucking logo? Yeah! Let me just read this description. Planet Green is Discovery Communications global cross company initiative with a commitment to document preserve and celebrate the planet

44:27 including the first ever 24-hour eco lifestyle television network coming to homes on June 4th 2008. Planet Green is the multi platform media destination with a mission it's the center for the new green conversation speaking people who want to understand green living and those who truly want to make a difference in meeting the critical challenge of protecting our environment planet greens unique content tools and information will enlighten empower most importantly entertain I don't know how much entertainment's involved. Oh, it is like a jaw-dropper and mostly it's just a bunch of people sitting around at different shows if they're not yodeling or hippie singing songs with the guitar... Kumbaya my lord! Or a bunch of pretentious

45:21 you know, kind of rich screw-ups from Hollywood that are just seemingly to go along with anything that comes their way. People should just watch it and see how much of it you can take. Maybe they'll like it but I thought it was absolutely horrible. That's another thing I really hate about this presidential race the question that Sarah Palin never answers, you know is and of course it's now been whittled down to are greenhouse gases man-made or not which of course is not even a fair question. It...it's annoying! It's really really annoying that people have just taken all this for granted, you know? And they keep throwing the IPCC report back in your face and look at all these researchers and yeah The thing is a total sham and there has been tons

46:12 reports for researchers that have debunked it all. Not to say that we're not fucking up our earth, obviously but you know the idea of you know taxing or buying credits so I can still pollute It's ridiculous. So that someone else will have to pollute less in the future is bullshit It's it's almost like you're like your pension like your Social Security I'm never gonna see if I can dime of that John, you might not even see it and you're getting there Yeah See it but you know what? I'll see Listen the New York controller is now taking 110 billion dollars of pension money To save New York from the crisis

46:53 then and he said well no worries because of course all in this that wisely bullshit it's called unit it is going to take the end of our wits on one of our conversations that you can people should be listened to if your interest in the stock market that's a lot of men mentions that as far as he can tell new yorkers broke where was back in the ed kosh days and nobody wants to talk about it this is what i'm saying man note right now we're in Look, we've talked about how this has become the nanny pussy. Not the state but the world and there's no losers everybody is a winner and what no one wants is to accept that we are about to get our asses kicked in real time big time

47:34 by what has happened to the financial structure of the world and particularly in the United States we all lived above our means you know 125 to maybe 300 percent and the credit cards are all filled up it's over, it's done with but no one actually wants to go through any pain. And so you're not even seeing on television people getting kicked... The guy in London! The real estate agent just this week he said two people who couldn't sell their home were trying to rent out He went to go get the keys to show up a prospective tenant and the bank had foreclosed. On both of them, and he had another client who was renting and he had to find him another place because the bank had repossessed the apartment or whatever it was. And they were kicking the guy out! He paid his rent

48:25 I mean, this is real pain that's happening. No one's talking... It's not on mainstream television! It's being held back purposely Now they're too interested in carbon credits and you know green and climate change Meanwhile Iceland, you'll love this And this is something that was pointed out to me at a Dutch food retailing website like an industry type website that in Iceland, where of course the whole country has collapsed there's been a run on the supermarkets and I guess they have only a couple... it's only 300 thousand people that live there so they have a chain of bonus supermarkets is what their called total run taking everything off the shelf

49:04 And they produce nothing. They have no food! Hey, you know I've been in that supermarket... The big one in Reykjavik Really? It's like what do they take off the shelves all day it seems to me that the main thing they sell in Iceland is a grocery store Is the most amazing variety of cod liver oil. I swear to God. It must be bigger than any dairy section You've ever seen and it's all fish oil different brands and What did they do there drink it Yeah, it turns out and for people who live in northern areas. Thank you should even consider it Okay It turns out that cod liver oil in particular But most of these fish oil mixtures which are being promoted a little bit by health food nuts nowadays here in the United States is one of the absolute best things you could take for depression in Areas where you have a shortened daylight

49:54 Oh, right. Iceland has of course yeah So you find that in Sweden and Finland and Norway, Iceland and the UK should Scotland for sure The people who take lots of cod liver oil just as a daily dietary supplement not only don't have much depression because you get depressed in these areas because of the lack of sunlight They don't have much depression and they also have, apparently it lessens arthritis and is good for the bones. And it has a vitamin D component that's important. Really? In fact I use in the winter time here

50:34 My son, by the way is the one who got turned us on to this. He's like a kind of he digs all this weird stuff up and it gets into the definitive point of it and then he reports back to the family with you know his survey And it turns out that documentation for this is really elaborate and this is the kinda stuff that when your what just want to see what your mom told you do in the 1930s You know take your cod liver oil and it's been lost. Because, who needs it? We take a vitamin supplement because the big drug companies make these vitamins. Nobody pushes these old remedies anymore but in fact they're better. I was just going to say if what you say is true and of course I have no reason to doubt it If cod liver oil truly is such a wonder miracle substance particularly against depression

51:28 assets going to be outlawed by the codex alimentarius sooner or later because they of course if you want to push the uh... in other words there drugs on the youthhood here which is like a sodium chloride and shit like that but that's what's important for its salt now you know i mean yeah uh... that someone from florida maybe i don't know drugs fucking chemicals drugs and chemical axle it also then we have anything good So anyway, but the Icelanders I mean this is what as soon as they heard about this from you know The report about why this is good for you in the winter And I use it in the winter. It's not a cheap product by the way But oh by the way there's one brand called Carlsborg or Carlsberg That's a beer isn't it? Yeah, it is of the Carlsborg severe maybe its Carlsberg game was Carlsbourg Borg. I don't know

52:19 Carlsborg is also a little town up in Washington. But it's Carlsborg or Carlsberg, something like this, blue label and it says lemon flavored. This stuff, by the way. That brand is the one to get it is absolutely delicious A you can take it without gagging It's really amazingly good and you don't get this You know, you don't taste it afterwards which was used always a problem with the cut liver It's the best brand you can buy. They should be sponsoring this show So people out there who have these, and I'd say if you live in North Dakota or Washington State, Wisconsin those places is where you want to use it. Meanwhile while we're on the subject of weird stuff, I made the error and talking about vegetarianism, I made the bonehead error of not looking at the package of some on sale yogurt

53:17 where they actually were selling soy gurt. Oh no! Did your brain shrink? I'm tell...I couldn't swallow it You know we've stopped drinking soy milk here. Good, good This stuff tastes like puke. I'm using that on the daily source code That's a great drop right there And it's got a chalky texture, you can't swallow it. As you go my god what is this garbage? Did you do one of those and spit it out I did spit it out and dumped it out and was disgusted It was so horrible that people eat this stuff and they think its good Excuse me That's funny That's nasty

54:11 Did nasty's the word I mean people want to check it out for themselves but holy, I was just stunned at how bad it was. I talked and mentioned this to my wife and she laughed she said she says she's mentioned this to these various vegetarians in there oh you must have got a bad one that's your answer everything. A bad one? It happens from time-to-time you get a bad one Oh man anyway so that was my report Alaskan glaciers for the growing for the first time in 240 years? Yes, what they say. Yeah that's your global warming I guess Well supposedly that's balanced by the lowering of the average temperature at the North Pole

54:56 Yada yada yada. You know these things move around that's you know, and you're also losing our magnet magnetic under I went to the North Pole once have you ever been to the North Pole? You're kidding me! You went to the North Pole?! Yes would you like to hear the story Wow, yeah. That's impressive. No I have not been to the North Pole. Oh this was with OnRamp before we took it public and changed the name to Think New Ideas Ron and I were running a company And there was a promotion that we did with another agency called The Molson Ice Polar Beach Party

55:35 and it was a contest, and it was 100 winners. And it would be... It was cool MTV-like contest actually. A hundred winner would go to the North Pole for concert with Metallica. Actually it was Metallica, Hole, so Courtney Love one other band, I can't remember. And we did a cybercast from the North Pole and it was pretty interesting because you know what we... The only way to do it is that we took a multiplexer so we could take 24 phone lines and basically convert that into like 150 kilobits per second or whatever and we had that linked all the way down from Tuktoyuktuk which is Northwestern Territory So literally like couple miles inside of Arctic Circle there

56:23 Well, let's get back to the how did you get to the North Pole? Ah. Well it is a combination of many flights and the last one is basically an otter so an otter is one of those airplanes with huge inflated tires and its a real workhorse just you can sit in it kind of like jump seats but really meant for taking cargo and uh... yes so you basically land up on the ice near drilling platform up there and it'd and so in did not being the dark period it was like for twenty four hours straight which was really really weird um... and of course europe they were at you know we had our crew and uh... toward a misleading in in the oil barracks if u will uh... and anyways is metallic as everybody and uh... incident would look we're looking for this nothing to do obviously

57:14 And so we like, and it's dry right? There is no alcohol. It's forbidden but you know we figure that we can probably figure something out So we go outside and it's midnight but kids are riding around on their bikes as if it were midday Some of the kids come over and say hey... Wait wait wait! How big.. there's a... let's back up a minute There's buncha people at the North Pole Well its not exactly on the North Pole North Pole But within I don't know what is it 50 miles, 75 miles? Yeah. There's all kinds of villages. I thought it was pretty barren up there It was pretty barren up there! Oh okay No kidding You know the next town was several hundred miles and that was in New Vic I think is what it was called Anyway... It was September actually because it was my birthday I put my toe into the Arctic waters

58:16 of the poll. I dip my toe and it's a tradition, i think is what it was so we said to these kids hey man do you know we can uh... Tradition? We can get something uh... So oh! You want the drug dealer yeah he lives in that house right over there Drug dealer? Swear to god These kids riding around on their bikes It was a fantastic experience Well, you got me on that one. I know another guy who like a year or so ago went to Antarctica and there's a cruise I guess you can take an icebreaker. Icebreaker cruise yeah, I think I've heard about that. Yeah, you leave from somewhere in South America it gets down at the tip down in southern Argentina I suppose and boat over there and crack your way into them and that supposed to be even worse than the Arctic

59:09 because it's windier. I guess storms, yeah. Yeah. Well i don't know what...I don't know It doesn't really you know there are a bunch of things that want to do so have my checklist the places to see and go too. I mean they have an A, B & C list And I got most most of the A-list done. A lot of the Bs just fall you know happen but I never had either the North Pole or the South Pole on the lists any of them. I've also stood on the equator Well, I've probably done that. Do you have a picture? I have photographic evidence! Well it's a little more... see in Brazil you know there is uh.. it's not a big deal Oh yeah no and in ah where was it maybe I guess must of been Africa Yeah I've ah what country does the equator run through in Africa It's up pretty high isn't it Ah I don't know I'm thinking its gotta be somewhere near Uganda because while we were there well maybe man maybe not

1:00:11 Okay, equator map. Here we go I'm afraid to pop open Google Earth because it'll crunch the bandwidth Yeah probably crunching me too. Let me just take a look at this Okay here's the here's a map with the Equator It's not high higher it must be higher than Uganda no it actually looks like it might be lower oh It runs through... Tells you what the hell I know. It runs through the very northern part, let me take a look where's some better countries they don't outline the countries well enough here is one. Not found! And i have one that has got the country showing once more second. Yeah it's not quite what I thought.

1:01:10 You know, I'm not gonna... These websites you know the problem with you know that did the problem we've had on the internet recently is that there's too many things. And you can't get to a good one because all the crap is pushed to the top artificially Yeah and this is one of those things I complain about when I say yeah go try to find and this is the challenge who has the absolute best cell phone service package in the United States. Yeah, you can't get through all the ads and all the SEO stuff now it's horrible. It's not possible. I think that is probably where people like the Mahalo project is the right idea but I don't think they can scale and even that is susceptible to

1:01:54 you know, deals and stuff like that. It's impossible I guess. It looks like Angola is right... plows right through Angola and those countries along there just top maybe the top of Mozambique it's northern Brazil and yeah anyway meanwhile in Indonesia too. In Gitmo nation east We gotta get our Gitmo Nation t-shirts out to the public. I haven't even seen a design yet, you keep threatening me with one! I'll have a design for you tonight. Okay cool You gonna make one up yourself with Photoshop or paint? Microsoft Paint? I was just going to use uh... ASCII text. I can see you using paint, i really can Tell me you use it don't you Noooo, I haven't even seen that thing boot for like fuck 10 years

1:02:44 in Gitmo Nation East in the United Kingdom where it's really we're falling fast and we're falling really, really hard. The Times has a report you'd hate this looks like they gonna put into law a requirement that you show a passport as identification when you are buying a mobile telephone even if its a burner with pay-and-go card Wow yeah that's a big deal well here you Yeah, you can still go to Target and just buy one. Yeah you just pick one up of course but here they're going to take down your name... well the other had that you heard about the big database project right?

1:03:24 where every single email, text and phone call everything made will be stored in a big government database. It won't be the content of the email they say it won't be the content of that SMS text message but who you called when you called them or who you texted them they're going to store on this huge database which of course is for national security purposes yeah of course Well, you know I saw a presentation probably around 1996 not sure from Interpol

1:04:02 They had been working on this software for a long time and I think there are lot of governments use it, whatever it is. But its a very interesting piece of code that allows you to plug in connections between people that... In other words if Im calling your number alot and then your calling somebody else's number then I call somebody in the list they can put together... If you get enough data and the key to success here is really load up but I think their may be a tipping point where you get too much data But I'm not sure but this this interpol software would allow and the guy broke it down, and he showed that here's a bunch of gangsters And they're their friends and associates and families everybody else. It was for mob related tracking and then they ran the software in all the calls are made to each other in there and how long the calls took place for how long and then They could they could literally create a or chart yeah, yeah org chart Yeah, I'm sure that exists

1:04:59 Well, it does exist. I've seen it! But you know that I think you can take it to the next level and you can pretty much... And the key long-term thing of course is that which is what people should be complaining about Is at some point we could say hey now we can figure out the entire political structure of the Republican Party Why don't we just start assassinating these people here with that show up in this list? It actually sounds a lot like like the software that OpenTable uses It's my, it was a funny idea. It's possible! Well you told me that specifically that there are rumors that there is something going on with their system where they track Silicon Valley executives... Well actually here is the rumor and its not, it doesn't have anything to do with OpenTable. It has to do with the backdoor that seems to be an OpenTable that people have exploited And here is the whole story for people who want to hear this You know it doesn't mean you shouldn't use OpenTable because you get all these bonus points

1:06:01 Which do expire, so use them quick. Even though they don't do anything... So there's a... and I was skeptical as usual about when i heard the story well here is the deal there's a consulting group that does stock market consulting to try to predetermine mergers and acquisitions and they do it by taking all of public records of private aircraft arrivals and departures who they're associated with, which apparently is a database you can get ahold of. Or maybe there's the backdoor to that too and then they use the open table back door and they can see fine meetings

1:06:41 And, in other words if you flew in. You know your General Electric CEO and he just flew in for some unknown reason to meet with a little CEO of small company is possible that it's the...if your secretary which is very common secretaries use open table all the time to figure out that oh he flew into here and then they're having at dinner at this restaurant on this night something's up Unless they can prove that they're old pals or something and they're meeting for some other reason. And so you could then surmise that maybe we have a merger acquisition candidate here and maybe we should invest in this company or that company. So it's basically spook kind of work with the stock market, so I'm saying that's his bull and he said...and the friend of mine who was telling me said well who do you wanna see what dinner? And I said just give me Will Hurst's itinerary.

1:07:39 The next day I got a list of the restaurants he went to over the past three or four months. He went to Chapeau, and I recognize because I know Will very well. And he and I know what kind of places he likes to eat at. It was just right you know that made nothing but sense looking at this list. And then I immediately called the secretary and told her to stop booking. Don't use open table. Unless you want it to be known. You could probably do just a reverse scam on that set up phony baloney meetings

1:08:15 Yeah, yeah. Hype the stock you bet! But that's just a story that I've never proven it one way or another There is no proof of that now. I could be trying to trick me but i'm just mentioning it to anyone out there who needs to know For years there has been talk about a backdoor into...I think its Israeli made Was it banking software? Or trading software? I gotta look that up It even has a name like fast or something like that. Well, fast is the search engine from Norway. No, that's not it. Something else I can't remember now this i'm sure there's all... look they're all in it! Well you know back doors are needed if you are a consultant and you need to get into a program because something bad happened to it

1:09:06 You sometimes have to remotely access the thing. And because you may be in a remote, you know...you may not BE there! I mean most software has a backdoor for no other reason so you can get...you know cause alot of coders nowadays don't work on the computer that's running the code They have to get into it. And so, you know if they let somebody else know about it the next thing you know is out in the wild and some sneak is out there looking at database just casually and if you don't abuse it... In other words, no one's seeing you constantly pounding the database to see who is booked where. You can get away with it. By the way I'd say that now is a really good time to be in the IT consulting business if

1:09:53 you know, can do SQL Server and Oracle and .NET and all that Microsoft stuff. And some heavy lifting maybe some AS400 skills or whatever because basically all the banks in the world are being rolled up into one and that's a big ass computer project But, um... I think that- Well somebody's gonna take- take- I mean you can just see that money being stolen. Oh yeah absolutely and you know now the American government owns a piece of every single major bank That was signed over the weekend? Did you- I'm sure you heard about that right? Oh yeah not only that but everybody was complaining about it And the Wells Fargo guys didn't want to do the deal They were forced into it! Yeah they put a gun in their head Yeah it was take this deal or take this deal

1:10:37 And you know what, I heard the interesting rationale about that on one of these talk shows was the following. Well they had to be that aggressive with making every one of the banks do the deal because they didn't want the public to know which banks were the bad ones. According to the, I think the Germans started this first. Now they've written almost a trillion dollars now in their bailout package which of course will rise significantly but every single bank in the world now that is not talking about smaller local retail banking the way we have it in the States yet

1:11:13 but they're now all partially owned by the government and this is trillions of dollars, not the original amount. And this is what they weren't going to do! They said we're not gonna do that and then a week later they are doing exactly that. Everyone's blaming each other but in the meantime it's one financial system It's all being rolled into one little ball you can bet were getting screwed for it Here ya go John, historian So there's a lot of talk, even in the intro I couldn't resist talking about the Weimar Republic. And since you like your ten billion dollar bill notes... Dr Ron Paul is actually getting a lot of air time and i'm loving it because he's a kook right John?

1:12:00 and he is a kook. He's been saying this since 1983 that I've seen on record. You know you keep saying something for 20 years it's gonna happen eventually right so okay so we stuck in there, he hung it doesn't matter how to get to the finish line but now he's on CNN all the time Fox News brings him on he's on Bloomberg even some of them are mainstream shows and he's saying inflation, you can't write trillions of dollars. In fact it was really funny he made me think of you! He said why should we work in America? Let's just print money and give everybody money! And I thought that was an excellent line but i don't think anyone actually gets it

1:12:45 But we have to be destined for 20% inflation compounded over the next few months even. It's going to happen! No, it's not going to happen for a while. When it happens, it'll ramp very slowly and I think the only way that we can get out of this hole is through hyperinflation that fixes the problem. It ruins everything, but it fixes the problem. And then the banks have got the problem and they need it fixed and screw the public you know we just go crazy We've never experienced that in United States. We've never had anything close...we've had like bad inflationary period during the stagflation era of 1970s which was one of those economic downturn

1:13:27 We had the situation with interest rates... Let me ask you a question. I got to interrogate you here now, okay 1970s bad things stagflation You I believe you were out of work for a while But how was it really in America at and maybe you travel? I don't know How was it in the world at that time what actually is this weirdest thing there's a bottom of one of these cycles which would have been 1973 because as you know That's where things kind of bottom out Actually, in the case of the Great Depression Buffett had it. He says that the Dow hit the bottom in July of 32 but I think there was...I'm not absolutely sure that's true But anyway, um, 1973 would be typically a bottom of a downturn. I actually went to France for the first time! So what was your movement? And I remember floating around France In France during this era you would be in the French countryside and things were so grim

1:14:20 Although, it was an enjoyable trip to say the least. But things were so grim that I clearly remember and I've never seen this since you'd be driving along in a car And there would be... most of the people were traveling on mopeds, a lot of girls and guys and girls whatever. There'd be these little moped bicycles or these bicycles that have a little gas motor on the back It's uh..on the front actually and it's called a Solex Yeah right I'm gonna find little crappy motors again It's called a Solex Solex right there were so Lexus everywhere and let me just say who was let me explain the solex John hold on one second This is a good story. The solex is essentially a bicycle it has a I believe it might even be if 50 CC engine, so you basically have a cylinder head where your

1:15:11 where your front light would be and when you get up to speed, you then push the engine forward with a lever onto the tire. It has a rotating wheel and then it fires up! And in many cases there... You didn't even have a throttle it just has a set throttle because that only will do so much for you I will have you know this is side note um... that I participated in the 24-hour Solex race in De Kwakel in The Netherlands uh... did not win but I did finish and uh... and i'd be happy to tell you how we see that then engine a different day but anyway uh... total beautiful french invention the solex okay so they did take care of those stories you see these people floating around in his own bicycles but they beat pulling each other so one person would have her soul x engaged holding their hand of another bicyclist and pulling them along

1:16:04 Yeah, you know when I had my moped in the Netherlands that was actually quite common. You'd see a buddy who was biking along the road and you say hey hold on second he let them hold onto you and then you drag him along Talk about stretching your dollar It's also quite a dangerous exercise That would think it's not really this is common so So you think that was really that? That was the epitome of grim It looks pretty grim. No, actually it looked pretty joyous! I mean these people were having fun they were fooling each other around but no it just seemed that looking back on it the real...actually the grimmest part is you never really improve much and it never does in a true down cycle it just kind of lingers bouncing around the bottom for a really long time as opposed to this short time I'm hoping for now

1:16:53 And so by the time Jimmy Carter got in office, because they had to get rid of the Republicans because they weren't getting anything accomplished. So they figured they're going to bring in a liberal Democrat who's gonna fix things and things just got worse with him and then inflation took over and we ended up with like interest rates if you wanted to buy a house you had to pay 20 plus points or percentage The interest rates were twenty-one, twenty two, twenty three, 24 percent interest you know, to get a mortgage. It was unbelievable and that guy was out in four years So I'm... so okay so life was very expensive there wasn't any other things that you didn't have? Did you go without anything? Well here's the kicker for me i was working for the government Of course When I hear my father-in-law talk about after the second world war in Rotterdam That he would bicycle on wooden tires

1:17:51 And not, yeah you laugh. On wooden tires for 50 miles to get a sugar beet to eat! That's grim. That's what I could... that's getting up there in the grim category Yeah, I will say. I'm totally looking forward to what we're about to go through in fact Oh, yeah now listen to me in fact the Financial Times have brought this up and I like this People are responding to the credit crunch by relearning the self-reliance of the postwar austerity years Knitting is having a renaissance Gardeners are planting carrots where once they grew chrysanthemums and home cooking is making a comeback. I like that

1:18:35 I can't help it. This is a moment of pure decadence the way that's described Why? Home cooking is not making much of a comeback It's you know, oh I think we can cook at home and this all like bunch of people that don't have to cook at home This is no because they have to cook at home this is not because they have to knit to because they cannot afford a sweater These are people for example there's little group or little club And I won't mention the names, but there are a bunch of people you know who they are. And they're wives of a bunch of Silicon Valley guys who were billionaires... No man this is in Britain! This is in The Financial Times in Britain dude this has nothing to do with Silicon Valley. Please

1:19:25 I don't buy that for a second. And besides, it doesn't matter if the trendsetters are doing it thats good In fact Patricia came back she says the official Patricia Curry high street index because she knows exactly what the high street shopping is like She says lots less people She said very uncharacteristic somethings going on people are buying less for sure And that's part of... I think that is a good index, it is probably as valid as anything. Yeah but that's part of an economic downturn people automatically take to these things whether they have too or not because they are preparing themselves for whatever. But at the end of day I think its good you know if we actually cook some meals at home maybe we won't kill ourselves by eating crap

1:20:07 Well, no I'm not gonna argue. But i mean but im a big advocate of this and i love knitting! Im very good at knitting John you should see me go You can knit? Yes my mom taught me that. I've always been able to knit That's funny Mimi's first husband was a big knitter and she is too although she does only knit in straight lines She has tried to do other things There are some women that can knit, you know just sit there and within a few hours have a beautiful sweater. So did she divorce him or did he die in a fiery crash? No they got divorced long time ago Because of the knitting or something else? No I'm just mentioning it's a guy who knits and there is lot of guys who knit My mom always used to say football players knit

1:20:52 Well, it's something to do if you're sitting waiting. I mean if you're gonna in a depression where you're going to be sitting and standing in line a lot or waiting and waiting for the government assigned doctor... For soup! For soup? You can knit. Might as well knit while your at it. Yeah because you need clothes If you're up in the Andes, in one of the little villages in Peru for example. All the women there because their place is crawling with like alpacas and vicunas and all these great animals that have fantastic... Akuma Matatas? Sorry? Akuma Matatas No, no. Vicuna! That's alright. It's a small llama You don't watch Disney movies apparently I don't get the joke But anyway what they do though these Peruvian women who all look exactly like Incas They're colorfully dressed They usually have wherever they are these women they're equipped with a big pile of wool that is wrapped around their arm

1:21:52 and you know, on their left arm. And as they sit at the benches in the plazas chatting with each other that two women will be there talking and talking yaking like two women would do to each other in a park bench but they're knitting together constantly and it's just seem to be knitting 24 seven is that it's just a cultural thing and its actually... You know then you can buy these sweaters for like five bucks get pretty nice sweaters amazing Well, I'm happy all of that's coming back and it will because we're gonna have to change. I've just given up You know, I can see what's happening It's clear you know, it's so clear yeah, I'm just preparing for it well you might be preparing yourself psychologically Are you gonna tell me? It's not true So something has to happen. I mean this coffee here's another one remember was telling about the letters of credit that That's becoming a problem

1:22:46 Yeah, this idea. Why don't you explain to people that are eavesdropping what you're talking about? Okay so if you If you import a product that you sell in your home country. So it could be certain types of groceries, actually oil probably works the same way but anything that you're importing usually from China It's not like you fly to China and sign a check right? There has to be a little more efficient way doing it and the banks will assign a letter of credit. So, they act as an intermediary and once the bank says okay this money is good it's here kind of in escrow you can start sending the goods that once the goods arrived then the letter of credit is executed everyone gets paid its kinda like super paypal

1:23:37 And if there's some kind of argument and the bank is involved as well, I've never dealt with it but they're the middle man. So the letter of credit is exactly what it says It's a letter of credit and that credit is also often taken to credit because that's the way a lot of businesses are financed That's the way a lot of states and municipalities are financed Like you know hey, I need a couple million credits here to do this stuff and you'll get it from me when taxes come in, whatever. So banks are now cutting back drastically on the amount of credit they're giving to companies so that means companies can import less and coffee I was just reading

1:24:21 Because there's problems with these letters of credit, they've got an oversupply of coffee. They can't ship it out to the country fast enough so they're actually talking about stopping production or inflating the price because if prices are too low they're going out of business and these guys can't grow coffee So this is just the start, I think of many problems that will actually affect us. And in fact it is exactly what happened with that Icelandic supermarket, the bonus supermarket chain They can't get letters of credit and people are worried about that and thats why there's a run on food Besides there being a general food crisis in the world already You look at me...I think this gonna be big equalizer It'll be good for people Go hungry for couple weeks

1:25:14 It'll change your attitude. It'll change your outlook on life. Yeah, you can have a big freezer! Yeah but... A lot of people are gonna get caught without big freezers I think most people are going to get caught without big freezers Most people don't have more than that week's supply food So i want your opinion on that because you never haven't been in these types of things You do be an ever express it when we put it that way That's not true Well I'm still pondering it Because I don't have the, you know...I'm not taking the grimest possible scenarios that you would imagine. Which is to come up with some whoppers But this is not just plausible it's happening these letters of credit are becoming a problem. I mean I have first-hand proof

1:26:06 Yeah, okay fine but I'm just saying it won't be a long term problem. It'll be something that will be resolved and everything will be better and rosier once Obama's elected. Okay yeah you're right! Oh man...I don't know Once he's in, the market is going to skyrocket. Yeah but I don't give a shit about that! I care about human beings... I know you care about it It just- it's all wrong We're basically now The world is now one big socialist banking system and then we're gonna introduce welfare into the United States Really introduce it Calling it a refundable tax credit

1:26:50 That's messed up. Yeah, it's true they want to make 45% of the public on welfare so here is the kicker to the whole economic financial crisis situation is that apparently I guess UBS or at least... Oh shit! The Swiss bank? How does any Swiss bank get caught in this fiasco? You're seriously asking me that Dude! I thought these guys had something on the ball No, they're all... it's all in the same game. It's all the same people running it This is all intended to be this way please, please Actually there was a good article on The Financial Times I think that explains it better which discusses the... it really boils down to the... see I do read The Financial Times

1:27:38 It boils down to the rating agencies. Yeah, that was a good point they made and the Brits are furious about the ratings agencies calling all these securities AAA when they were really just crap yeah and that's a good point But that's what I mean. It's all it's all part of the scam in fact, I believe in your book Which you know whenever you're ready to show me a draft? You know I actually love you enough And I will read it um I think you should you should at least Consider including a side note or thread or something about the concept of the Illuminati controlling these cyclical motions

1:28:19 Are you checking if it's on again? Unbelievable. I think you should at least consider... Unbelievable! We can't, y'know, I was wondering how long it'd take for us to go off the track. No we're not off the track. We're not off the track. Look, but come on John you cannot deny that the Goldman Sachs ex-CEO and he's got his cash and carry heel dude in there also from Goldman Sachs You know they hoodwinked everyone they took under the auspices of only 700 billion which included another 150 billion of bullshit just to ram it through under basically threat of idiots who sit in Congress who we elect

1:29:00 And then basically they bring in the banks, they put a gun to their head. I mean come on man this is not America! This is the fucking mob! This is...I shouldn't say that because I'm gonna crash my car but this is not right you know we can't be cavalier about it and thats what everyone's being its just fucking outrage You're cursing quotient has risen for some reason when we bring up this topic. Well, because the apathy just slays me John! Well the apathy... you know I blame the educational system. And who controls the educational system? Well you might have something there because there was a funny post that i put on the blog, Dvorak.org slash blog Have A Drink

1:29:51 Where this guy goes to this college and somebody point out? This has been around I have never seen this before but a kid did it and you can do this anywhere Yeah, kid goes around some hoity college that's supposed to be so good And he goes all the women and gets him to sign a petition to end woman suffrage. And You know all these girls sign it happily you know because they don't even know what the hell With a vaccination hey So, uh... you know this is a I don't know what it is why the-I don't remember when I was a kid. What's the point? Wait now your getting off track! What is the point of end to suffrage where are you going? Well they would say as women's suffrage refers to the right to vote and so you go to some dummy some girl who's in college and you say would you like we've gotta stop women's suffrage

1:30:44 And that would mean, technically, that they want to end the women's right to vote. Oh and women just signed it went oh suffrage! That sounds like suffering and they signed it? Left and right except one girl who wouldn't do it because she knew what it meant out of the whole group. But they're just signing left to right, and when I see these Obama bots around the Andronico's Whole Ores store, people are like you gotta sign this! People are just signing anything. These petitions that are floating around... They don't mean anything. I mean, people just get... Just to get rid of the person you'll sign anything People will sign these things left and right And I have these people come into my door once in a while and they're always stunned by the fact that i refuse to sign any petition Look! I'm taking it one step further with you John I am telling you that people are hypnotized and programmed mainly by television and their not watching CNN or CNBC or whatever Their watching mainstream television and there hypnotize them programed There walking zombies

1:31:45 and they're just, we're blithering idiots. And indeed the Department of Education determines the syllabus they determine the education and it's lame! It's lame ass You know, they're making us into dumb fucks. Sorry! Have another drink. And meanwhile by the way then when you do homeschooling it's frowned upon by the state and in California as a matter of fact it is almost impossible to do homeschooling we home school our daughter or she went to high school now doing very well and liking it which is unusual because kids if they go through public school system at some point hate school

1:32:21 and but do you know the homeschools always when they will be of various uh... spelling bees and they do this in case you can't you don't have their not under control some state syllabus right that is just a bunch of propaganda i remember one of my kids coming home years and years ago, saying oh you know why are we taking it's indigenous people's day. Columbus Day was Indigenous People's Day and Columbus was a horrible slave owner who went on with all this stuff going what are you talking about? Another one of my kids, sometime even further back, you know just out of the blue I said well who freed the slaves? You know he was old enough to know. And he said Martin Luther King! Oh shit...I got one for ya In 1975 I entered the Dutch schooling system in fifth grade and very government controlled over there but just for idiotic stuff and uh... barely spoke dutch

1:33:17 And the teacher at one point was talking about how many states America has, and then they added Alaska and Hawaii. Now they have 52 states! I think that's probably where my questioning of authority came from So I rose my hand like dude...I'm like an idiot over here? The guy with the wrong clothes and mild Tourette who doesn't speak the language There are only 50 states And the teacher got in my face about it. Yeah, I can see that! So what I did is went home and called the embassy and taped it on a cassette and brought it with the Encyclopedia Britannica the next day. Well here's all of my evidence... That Encyclopedia Britannica was from 1970 so that doesn't count

1:34:09 They wouldn't buy it? No, no! And I said why'd you count the stars there's only 50 stars. It remains a... anyway so the educational system but certainly in the United States it's meant to dumb our children not to make them smart interesting your homeschooled your daughter what from what age to what age and and what was the syllabus how did you do that There is a lot of support by the way for home schooling in the United States its extreme I mean, there's whole stores dedicated to homeschooling. What was the decision John? Was it that you smoked weed or what was going on? There was some mild bullying going on at one of the schools and she didn't like it and she wasn't gonna do well there we could see that a mile away We offered her the opportunity The kids have to subscribe to it And so she said sure I can do that Since we have residence in Washington My wife is technically a Washington State

1:35:06 not a Californian. We registered her as a homeschooling, in Washington State they encourage homeschooling and you can register your child as a home-schooled person and they make them and they give him tests And they, you know this all... They make you take a test so if your not keeping up then you have to make the kid work harder or put him in school. So the whole thing is structured and California has none of that and if your homeschooling they try to bust you on truancy because their not getting there pound of flesh or whatever from them. To get 800 bucks per day or month or whatever per student

1:35:44 And they don't like losing income, and so they make a big deal out of it. So we do it in Washington State's legal...and she liked it and at one point I guess she got fed up with it or she wanted to socialize more and learn less. And so now she is going into small school in Port Townsend. And at your home school did you have mandatory vaccinations? Did you hear about New Jersey? Did you hear about that? Mandatory flu shots for kindergarten, otherwise you can't attend school. Yeah what a crock! That's an outrage

1:36:20 Yeah, it is an outrage. Get Monation my friends! Get Monation! Being Bill before you bury us... So talking about people getting in your face I remember one time-I still remember this always baffles me that people are so pigheaded about stuff. I was giving a speech and there was some forum or something and I had to give a keynote later in the night but meanwhile I listened all these little sessions You know there's all these guys giving session at typical conference right? And some guy thought of himself as some sort of a hotshot, was talking about new technologies and something like that. He says, the LED and he was talking about the LED. And he says in the LED which is a liquid crystal display blah blah blah. In the LED which is a liquid crystal display blah blah blah So after the thing was over I went up to him and said you know LED stands for light emitting diode Liquid Crystal Display LCD And the guy looks at me and says hey! I know what I'm talking about. And then what? You beat him to a pulp

1:37:20 No, I was just like rolling my eyes thinking what an idiot and people are listening to this guy as an expert. You did the Vulcan thing where you grab his shoulder and he just melted into the ground? That would have been a wish! Are you doing twit today? Yeah, no idea. Hmm...you heard about Washington DC moving to The Cloud? Figured that give me that for The Twit Show. Why? Well then maybe guys will actually talk about some tech news, thats why Well, if they move to the cloud. They're just moving you obviously there's want to be hit that NSA needs to listen in I guess I don't know what do that this is but this is why it's interesting the District of Columbia of Colombia is migrating its 38 thousand employees to Google Apps Huh uh-huh? That's interesting say no more huh I told him I got the goods for you dude If it wasn't so late I'd beyond on Skype with you during the whole show

1:38:20 typing evil messages. Yeah, that's always good for a laugh so okay well I think we're done yeah we talked too long boring people stiff out there with this crap We could go on forever but maybe not since you it's like where hour and a half yeah were done So next week hopefully more information on project Oscar Mike November Delta Well yeah then by the way we didn't talk about Palin being on the Saturday Night Live show what'd ya think? You know what, not a moment made me laugh. And that was partially because I'd already read about what was going to be on...I looked at it on Hulu through our VPN so i was able to see it but again- Yeah it was a little stiff. I just lost interest in the whole thing on my way back as like who gives a shit and I started looking at the rest of the world what's going on in my own backyard where I sometimes live and I was like eh who cares? And you know what people here they don't care anymore They all assume Obama is gonna win and they're done with it

1:39:22 Yeah, I heard some Irish bookies actually paid off all his bets. Yeah, like one to 1.5 or something whatever it was But no, I'd say that people completely think Obama has it and they don't care. Right now the big argument over here is about Gordon Brown, he's cashing in on the financial crisis by saying he's a hero and saving the country. Everyone is up in arms about it. As well as they should be. It's a wacky world. Alright so take me to dinner this week!

1:40:01 Yeah, I got a couple places lined up would be worth checking out. Okay and If you're in the office tomorrow see it cuz I'll come right from the airport to the office all right what time you land? I don't know 130 I think so well you won't get there till 4 Coming to you from Gitmo Nation East my name is Adam Curry And I'm John C. Dvorak in Northern Silicon Valley, the place that doesn't exist but we think it does We'll talk to you again next week right here on NO Agenda