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00:00 We make stuff that goes on to stuff that kills stuff. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Sunday, May 19, 2013, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 514. This is no agenda. Partying like it's 1837 here in the Travis Heights hideout where SoCo meets MoFo in Austin, Texas. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. DeVore. What was that? Well you cut it, it was weird because the Skype connection cut out just says and I'm... No, I... Oh really? Oh, I'm sorry. You know someone sent me an email about how to, there is a way, there is a way to

00:51 Use two copies of Skype and then because you know, it's essentially half duplex Skype. It's crazy least weird enough And there's a way to do it so that you know, you have you don't have that what they call it ducking In fact, it's kind of a you know, where it's trying to it's competing with itself trying to decide what to do Yeah, yeah, so that there's a way to do it Screw that they imagine having not one but two Skype Skype connections to deal with and This is not my idea of fun. Yeah. Anyway, so... In the morning. Oh, well in the morning to you, John C. D'Artagnan.

01:36 And in the morning all the ships at sea and the boots on the ground and also the subs in the water and the feet in the air and all the dames and knights out there. And of course our human resources in the chat room, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net. Our team is standing by, keeping us streaming. Sir Oil, Sir Gitmo Slave and Sir 19-inch Rack, good to have you guys around. And it is indeed very much like the Great Depression of 1837. Someone pointed that out to me the other day. And I read the book of knowledge entry, I'm like wow, the panic of 1837 I should call it. Yes, that wasn't a true depression. No, but it was the panic. One of those little panics which is the one we're going to have in 2017. Oh, I thought it was now. By the way, I get the biggest kick out of the 40 year cycle which I'm always promoting. Promoting, like hoping.

02:25 promoted. It's underway, I mean all the parallels have been coming in like clockwork, including the Obama versus Nixon comparisons. Nixon was the president during the period, the depression of the 70s, and we got the same kind of thing going on and some really good reports on what's, you know, the attempt to stifle the media and all the rest of it. It's fascinating. Yeah, you know, I've seen it but to me it seems Like this is, you know, the minority mainstream. Who clearly... What do we call it? We were talking about this the other day. The corrupt minority, known as the mainstream. Corrupt minority. Which is the mainstream media. Unlike us, guardians of reality. For some reason they feel that it's important or maybe there's a voting contingent or someone who gives a crap. I mean, you really have to be at least my age and even I don't really care

01:36 And in the morning all the ships at sea and the boots on the ground and also the subs in the water and the feet in the air and all the dames and knights out there. And of course our human resources in the chat room, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net. Our team is standing by, keeping us streaming. Sir Oil, Sir Gitmo Slave and Sir 19-inch Rack, good to have you guys around. And it is indeed very much like the Great Depression of 1837. Someone pointed that out to me the other day. And I read the book of knowledge entry, I'm like wow, the panic of 1837 I should call it. Yes, that wasn't a true depression. No, but it was the panic. One of those little panics which is the one we're going to have in 2017. Oh, I thought it was now. By the way, I get the biggest kick out of the 40 year cycle which I'm always promoting. Promoting, like hoping.

02:25 promoted. It's underway, I mean all the parallels have been coming in like clockwork, including the Obama versus Nixon comparisons. Nixon was the president during the period, the depression of the 70s, and we got the same kind of thing going on and some really good reports on what's, you know, the attempt to stifle the media and all the rest of it. It's fascinating. Yeah, you know, I've seen it but to me it seems Like this is, you know, the minority mainstream. Who clearly... What do we call it? We were talking about this the other day. The corrupt minority, known as the mainstream. Corrupt minority. Which is the mainstream media. Unlike us, guardians of reality. For some reason they feel that it's important or maybe there's a voting contingent or someone who gives a crap. I mean, you really have to be at least my age and even I don't really care

03:23 Because I'm not quite old enough. No, because I remember we were living in Amsterdam and I was maybe eight, maybe nine, I think. And my grandmother was sending to my mom cassette tapes, because of course, you know, there was no satellite, no CNN, you know, the Dutch television had two channels. They started at 7 p.m. with the same guy reading the same dumb news. And there was no international media to speak of the way we, today's kids know it. So she would email with the post cassette tapes, which she would call of course the Watergate tapes. And my mom would listen to them and she'd listen to hours and hours of Senate testimony. Yeah, it was on television actually and I watched most of it. In rap I was a little kid but I was watching it fascinated by it. It was really interesting. They had these characters and they were all a couple of weirdos and

04:24 and and they're all me see we had planned plans Thomas was kind of our yeah I was a lot that wasn't during a depression moment but no my great thing those when I studied it I was watching these these guys and I would notice a couple tricks they pull em I was a mention one or two of them that if you get called before Congress in the trying to trick you into either perjuring yourself or doing whatever and I think John Dean was the master this Like, ask me a question, I'll show you the proper response. John, were you involved in bombing Watergate? I'm not sure I understand the question.

05:07 Yeah, very good. Can you preface everything with that? And then when they go after you for lying, say, oh, well, I made it very clear. I didn't understand the question. Apparently I did. And it's interesting you say that. And could you turn up your mic a little bit? I need a little more. I can't. There's not enough coming out of you. OK, I got it. There's not enough coming out of you today. Old man. Wait, I got to get the right switch. I'll turn it down. All right. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. Oh, perfect. Oh, yeah. It just makes so much difference. Yeah. Yeah. It makes a world of difference that this this administration, in particular, our president, these guys are good when it comes to what they say, which I think is one of the reasons why the president is I mean, he was really he's really perfect for the job.

05:55 He knows how to, most of the time, stick to a script entirely. And you can't catch him on anything. Remember during the debates it was like, well you said it was an act of terrorism so you knew it was... and in fact he didn't even say terrorism, he said act of terror. I mean these guys are good. There's one thing they learned, and of course they're all lawyers, that's why they do it. You stick to the script, to exactly what it is, and you can never get caught. The minute you stray, that's when you get in trouble. Right, and they do kind of strike. Once in a while, and that's what we hear. That's why we hear. Guardians of reality. Let me play a couple clips about the Nixon-Obama comparison. Now there I have a bunch of clips. I have a background that kind of discusses what's going on with this AP stuff, but let's just skip the background and go right in. Democracy Now did a very good job on this considering what a poor job they did on a bunch of other stories.

06:50 but they didn't actually wasn't even them I think they were flabbergasted. They brought in the guy from the Pentagon Papers, the New York Times lawyer who went to the Supreme Court because the Nixon administration was after the New York Times trying to bust him. Now I think you need to explain the Pentagon Papers. The Pentagon Papers were Daniel Ellsberg worked for the Rand Corporation and took 42 volumes of the history of the beginnings of the Vietnam War home with him. And then he transcribed them and he started leaking this document which was the origins of the Vietnam War to the New York Times and they started running this stuff. And after three days, the Nixon administration freaked out and started suing everybody and trying to get court orders to stop the publication of this because it was embarrassing.

07:40 and they couldn't do it because the Supreme Court went the other way on it and they got stifled but all kinds of fallout happened and Nixon went after the media, Nixon went, he was beginning of the end for the administration. Now was it at the time, because luckily you witnessed that, you were really a part of that, Was it really analogous to what we're seeing here? You know when you say Nixon went after the media I mean was that like a P being investigated or no the parallels are exactly the same the difference is The media is flat-footed now and it wasn't just to be compromised compromise back then they were actually investigating stuff well they were

08:23 still compromise but not to the extreme they are today so now they're flabbergasted and it's not it's not turning out quite as they can actually lose this battle and with these clips you'll see that if they do and it's all really about julian assange by the way yes yes it's a very interesting uh... that media's done we have will have no free press at all but let's play that they asked the guy from uh... the new york times and then l the the pentagon papers era whether what Obama's doing today is as bad or worse than what Nixon was doing and I think the analysis is good especially for all the Obama bots out there and I've met a couple recently. Yeah, so I hear. Wait, wait, wait, stop. Do I bring that up now or do I bring that up later? We'll talk about it later. What the Pentagon Papers case is about is censorship.

09:13 and lawyers call it prior restraint. And after publishing for three days, all of a sudden we were in court and several days later really we were in the Supreme Court. So the Times came into it because I believed and those at the Times believed that this was an outrage and that the First Amendment protected us and that the government had no ability to come in and uh... tell us not what we shouldn't print sorry for the double negative for what we should print and uh... we uh... put our troops together and beat him with a stick rubber hose so now if I go on to uh... the nixon clip number three where we discussed the pentagon papers and censorship a little deeper that was number three oh that's why oh wait no no no no no I'm sorry no you're right clip number

10:09 I have no idea what I'm doing here. I'm just guessing. So that was number three. What was the one you wanted? Yeah, you played number three. You wanted to play number two, which is the one I wanted to... Neck and neck? Which was the point I was making. Neck and neck? Yeah, naked neck. Oh yeah, that's so obvious from the point you were making. No, no, I said number two. No, I didn't hear that. I'm sorry. Can I play them out of order and we'll pretend that we're hearing this first? No, this is fine. That clip was valid, but play number two. Well, for more, we turn to a guest who has a rather informed opinion on whether President Obama has been worse than President Nixon in their targeting of the press for published leaked information.

10:45 Joining us here in New York is James Goodell. He is the counsel, was the counsel for the New York Times in the Pentagon Papers case, a leading legal expert on the First Amendment, has just published a new book, Fighting for the Press, Why the Pentagon Papers Case Still Matters. We welcome you to Democracy Now! Thank you very much for having me. You say that President Obama is worse than President Nixon. Well, more precisely I say that if in fact he goes ahead and prosecutes Julian Assange, he will pass Nixon. He's close to Nixon now. The AP example is a good example of something that Obama has done.

11:29 But Nixon never did. So I have him presently in second place behind Nixon and ahead of Bush too. And he's moving up fast. And if he goes ahead against Assange, he'll at least be even. And we'll have to see how that prosecution, if it takes place, comes out, because maybe he'll pass him. I that dovetails with something else regarding Assange, but I think I'll hold on to it to see where you were you Okay, well, let's go to the next which is clip four. We already know the Pentagon Papers and censorship was just a small element Will we come back to Assange? It's this all comes back to a fish purpose wraps with the Sun perfect it for okay Pentagon Papers ended which was a case about censorship and

12:16 uh... mitchell who was nixon's attorney general got very excited about prosecuting the new york times people forgotten about that so he convened a grand jury in boston because uh... there was some evidence that the pentagon papers have been circulated in the anti-war community before they were published by the new york times and the theory was that the new york times reporter conspired with those anti-war protesters and he was going to indict them for conspiracy. So now fast forward, what is Obama doing? He's convened a grand jury, we haven't heard about it, I think it's still there, I think it may have even indicted Assange in secrecy, but what's the charge? Conspiracy. Well,

13:04 We don't expect our listeners to be lawyers and jump up and down when they hear the word conspiracy. I just want to tell you in the audience, it's very easy to prove conspiracy. Very hard to prove espionage under the Espionage Act. So what Obama is doing is doing an end run and trying to get an easy case against Assange after he's convicted. Manning. It's easy to convict Manning, okay? So that easy conviction then becomes the basis for the agreement for Assange. Well, let me ask you a question now. Because I was just, even though I hadn't really clearly understood the whole Assange angle here, and we'll get to it later, why I was looking at Assange again today.

13:47 The way I recall it, WikiLeaks didn't take this information from Manning and put it online. They went to their partners, which was New York Times, Time Magazine, The Spiegel, The Guardian. They sat down and then collectively decided, OK, here's the stuff we want to publish. First we'll send it to the State Department, by the way, to see if they want us to redact anything. Then whenever they, oh, okay, well you can publish all that. Then they published it in mainstream publications. Yeah. But if you listen to the narrative, not this, but the narrative in general, there is this belief that WikiLeaks took stolen information, published it everywhere and got Americans killed.

14:39 Yeah? That's not true. Right, well they did publish the whole, or a pile more than showed up in the New York Times eventually. After, only after though, a long time after. Right, but that would probably be the part they're bitching about. I don't know, because like he says there's apparently been a secret grand jury, a lot of stuff in this administration. The most transparent administration in the universe, what are you talking about? What's your problem? secret and a secret indictment which is just waiting which is the reason apparently Assange has some clue about this. Let's see that was clip four. Let's play five. This one's a little long but so was that one.

15:21 We'll get further along and then... I'm interested in why you're taking this. I have not heard any of this type of analysis anywhere, so this is great. Yeah, play five then. Wake up. There's danger out there. You may not like us, but wake up. The First Amendment is really going to be damaged if Obama goes forward. And as I said at the beginning of the show, if he does and succeeds, he will have succeeded or Nixon failed. Let's play a clip from WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange when he was on Democracy Now last November. He warns about the consequences of the Espionage Act being reinterpreted. Now the new interpretation of the Espionage Act that the Pentagon is trying to hammer in to the legal system in which the Department of Justice is complicit in

16:08 Would mean the end of national security journalism in the United States And not only the United States because the Pentagon is trying to apply this exuded extraterritorially Why would it be the end of national security journalism? Because the interpretation is that if any document that the US government claims to be classified is given to a journalist and who then makes any part of it public, that journalist has committed espionage and the person who gave them the material has committed the crime communicating with the enemy. Which is a nice take. Can you shoehorn yours in now? Do you want to get two more of these out of the way?

17:00 No, I want you to wrap... Okay, play this number six as a summary. This is not the last clip by the way, there's one more because there's a little gotcha that I had to get which is clip seven. But play clip six and you get a kind of a summary of what's going to happen to us all. Quite right about talking about the threat to journalism with respect to the way Obama's going about prosecuting him. What lawyers like to say is that If in fact the prosecution goes forward as Julian Assange has said, it criminalizes news gathering because I talk to you and ask you to give me a secret or anything but in fact not anything may be classified, we're all both going to go off

17:47 to the who's gal and you know Obama's is classified I think seven million and one year classified seven million documents everything's classified so that would give the government the ability to control all its information on the theory that's classified and if everybody asked for it and gets it they're complicit and they're gonna go to jail so that criminalizes the process and it means that the dissemination of information which is inevitable out of the classified sources of that information will be stopped. So does this mean that Julian Assange really is a dumb patsy and was set up

18:33 by the CIA I guess, maybe some other agency, but he was set up for all this to take place so that the redefinition of the, so that conspiracy now could be redefined as espionage. Is that what I'm hearing? I didn't take it to that level but I can see that argument being made and if you notice, if you remember over the last probably the last year and a half on this show we have run a lot of clips about over classification. There was a lot of hearings about classified documents, what qualifies. There was a number of sessions. We've never brought it all together. We never saw the larger picture.

19:15 until this guy comes out and starts talking. Well of course whenever someone in today in today's world no matter what it is whether it's global warming, you just got to immediately think global cooling. If someone says most transparent in the universe, you got to think they're locking it down. I know it sounds nuts, but this inversion, that's exactly where you have to go and you're usually, this is the new Occam's razor. But if whatever someone tells you, just think the opposite, that's going to be the truth. You might want to just play right now the little clip Nixon on heroes. I think it is time in this country to quit making national heroes out of those who steal secrets and publish them in the newspaper. Whoa! Wait, don't we have Obama saying that? I'm telling you, this is the 40-year cycle. Wow!

20:11 If not, he'd... oh my goodness, if not... Well, here's a secret tape that Nixon made about Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers, and this is probably going on in the White House too. Just because some guy's gonna be a martyr, we can't be in a position of allowing the fellow to get away with this kind of wholesale thievery or otherwise it's gonna happen all over the government. I just say that we've got to keep our eye on the main ball, the main ball's Ellsberg. We gotta get this son of a... Yeah, great, and he uses the IRS to do that well of course you do now I'll play one more another off-handed clip which is a little different Which is Jeremy Scahill wrote this book called world is a battlefield Yeah, and this little summary which is I have been fortunate to have it clipped twice But to play this clip and this kind of summarize where we're kind of headed Because I'm gonna play one last clip of the world is a battlefield Actually, it's not something. I thought up. It's a doctrine

21:08 actually a military doctrine called operational preparation of the battle space which views the world as a battlefield and what it says is that if there are countries where you predict, where the military predicts that conflicts are likely or that war is a possibility you can forward deploy troops to those countries to prepare the battlefield and under both Bush and Obama the world has been declared the battlefield. You know, the authorization for the use of military force that was passed after 9-11 is technically the law that President Obama and his administration point to when they say they have a right to drone strike in Yemen because these people are connected to the 9-11 attacks. But in reality... And they're brown. Come on, face it.

21:47 one of the enduring legacies of the Obama presidency is going to be that he solidified this Cheney-esque view of the US government, which says that when it comes to foreign policy, that the executive branch is effectively a dictatorship. Wow! I can see Obama-bots freaking out by hearing that. Wait a minute. Obama is... continuing the Cheney legacy? Oh yeah, big time. I mean there's some interesting congressional hearings I have some clips of that kind of relate to this but before I drop this and you can do your assignment thing I want to play this

22:23 Because one thing turned up during the discussion with Obama and the Nixon thing and all the rest of it, and this whole Associated Press thing, they decided they want to pass a new SHIELD law. Yeah, well I had the idea. The SHIELD law, so... Now... Wait a minute, I think I actually have a... Hold on. This will lead right into it. It's a very, very short clip. Okay, why don't you play it back and then play yours because this one may give away yours. No, okay. Now just tell me which one is it. What am I playing? Final irony. A final irony? Okay. Here we go. What about the irony of the Obama administration after the news of their surveillance of the AP comes out then going to Chuck Schumer and saying we need a stronger SHIELD law? I mean that, I have this whole history in my book and I just thought that was quite ridiculous because

23:23 The bill that Obama asked Schumer to put into the House has an exception for national security. In other words, if you're a reporter and you're talking about national security, the law doesn't apply. But what is the whole controversy about today with respect to AP. It's about a national security exception to the privilege that you would think reporters would otherwise have. So Obama puts it out thinking the public doesn't know what I know and I'm really going to be good to reporters, but it doesn't protect them at all in the AP situation.

24:04 Yeah, so I don't have to play my clip. So that so this is actually a law that the president tried to well, he didn't try to get it through. It was in, I don't think it even passed the House, it didn't pass Congress, but it's exactly what it was. Like, okay, you have the right to report anything you want, but we've got to have this little thing called national security and we'll have, of course, a blue ribbon panel of judges. And whenever we decide that you really can't report on this because this is in the interest of national security, then you won't be able to report on it. and they wanted to take that out and then the president instead of saying he would veto the bill he sent all of his minions saying I don't know you gotta put that in. Of course if that was actually put into law which I don't think it would ever happen

24:52 That would be the final nail. That would be the police state. We'd be there. It would be the perfect wrap-up. Here's Spokeswole Carney, because everyone had to go out and do the rounds and, of course, talk about how incredibly transparent they are. And he even went on Pierce Moron. He was on everyone's show in the news guy spot, if you noticed that. So they took him out of context and put him in front of the White House where all the news people normally stand, you know, do their stand-up intros to their pre-produced packages. Final question, Jay Carney. Obviously the President made a big deal when he came into office of being not like previous administrations and was going to be much more transparent. The charge today, after this week, is that you have had that reputation for transparency pretty heavily dented. Do you accept that? And just on a general

25:47 picture, how are you going to move on now and restore perhaps faith that some Americans have lost this week in your openness and honesty? Well, I'm not sure. Again, you're concocting scandals here that don't exist, especially with regards to the Benghazi affair that was contrived by Republicans. I think... This guy, he's a piece of work, isn't he? The Benghazi affair was contrived by Republicans. Contrived, but yeah, it never happened. and it was the republicans, they dreamed it up. And oh by the way, great mainstream media and even in the... I'll get to this. Finish Carney, finish. ...part largely this week. The fact of the matter is that this administration has a record on transparency that outdoes any previous administration and we are committed to that, the president is committed to that.

26:37 Jay Carney, you've probably been the busiest man in Washington this week and for that reason, if nothing else, I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to come and talk to me tonight. Piers, I was glad to do it. Thank you for having me. I was glad to do it, Piers. So there's a couple sides to this coin and I think this is really fabulously funny to see them going into this danger mode of trying to fix things. On the other side of this coin, something very important changed in the US code and I'm not quite sure. I think the change was made, it slipped by us, I'm sure it was one of these

27:16 thousand page bills that I read most of but even I can't find everything. So this is now almost a week ago. A subtle change in the US Code titled, Defense Support of Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies. And this relates to Boston. The military has quietly granted itself the ability to police the streets without obtaining prior local or state consent upending a precedent of course that has been in place for more than two years federal military commanders have the authority in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the president is impossible and duty constituent and duty constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation

28:06 to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale unexpected civil disturbances. Yeah, riots. Yeah, so this beats out the entire concept of posse comitatus. And I think, now I'm thinking, whether it was a part of it or not is pretty much irrelevant. Boston was a litmus test for this. for taking something that was not a huge outrage I mean it was it was bad but there were people were not rioting in the streets and put 9,000 troops and combination of militarized police on the streets but there were there were arousing people from their home yes no protecting them at the end at the barrel of a gun what was it not protecting them it was saving them what would know what was the term they used

28:59 Was it saving? Saving them? Oh, it was something. It was something crazy like that. There's a new player on the scene in all of this. And this is where I came up with the Ahsan stuff for today. It's hard to imagine that anyone would alter this indelible image of bombing victim Martin Richard to promote a cause. But that's just what someone did and then posted the Photoshop picture we will not show on Twitter. It's made a lot of people angry, including a self-described hacktivist for good who goes by the Twitter handle, Jester. Jester would not reveal his true identity and he would only communicate with us using a secure private chat service. He says over the last few weeks he's been targeting people he believes are trying to

29:45 capitalize on the marathon tragedy. Jester has published the name, phone number and address of the person he blames for the Dr. Martin Richard photo. He's also launched denial of service attacks on websites belonging to people associated with movements that claim the bombings are a government conspiracy. One of those sites has still not recovered. So, you know, we've always been very intrigued by WikiLeaks, by Anonymous, because you know whenever you are anonymous you could easily be a front for a government agency and so this way and of course we know that Hillary had set these operations up yes her so-called in Great Britain yes her so-called techno experts and not just Great Britain but even a targeting Russia she set them at she had there was a whole like 5,000 of them in in former Soviet states

30:40 So, gesture is on here. Check this out. So, this led me to just a little bit of research. Here is a presentation from I think finnelly is his name from the US cyber command He's doing a powerpoint presentation for Homeland Security Talking about you know cyber security and all of a sudden and here's maybe where I get a little controversial Oh, he's gonna get controversial on your ass this is this is a unique domain in the fact that we're used to in warfare the fact that you can train large masses of individuals to accomplish a strategic effect or a tactical effect or an operational effect. And usually that requires teamwork, cooperation. This is a domain of warfare where one individual can make a difference in both negative and positive. And you can argue whether or not this is negative or positive, but upon the initial publication of WikiLeaks,

31:41 I'd argue that that was largely damaging to a lot of people out there around the world. The information that was released compromised our ability to do certain things around the world and it compromised our reputation. We should have had the capability, the commander's capability to inherently protect ourselves from self-defense and shut it down. To date, my knowledge is that only one individual has shut it down. Alright, the, uh, a Patriot hacker known as the Jester for all intents and purposes has been the only individual to stop Wikileaks. PayPal, Mastercard, and Visa went after them. Um, as well in the corporate realm, they ceased payments for supporters of Wikileaks. But to actually physically stop the servers from processing data, the Jester is the only one that's done it. So that to me was just like, hold on a second.

32:44 This patriotic hacktivist, which is a contradiction in terms these days, is doing a lot of very interesting stuff. Most of it seemingly illegal. Yeah, and is being heralded for it by US Cyber Command. How can that be? The guy's wearing a uniform when he's doing this presentation. This guy. Yeah, this guy. So to me that means that it's all clearly, clearly an operation on the inside. Yeah, it's a government operation obviously. Yeah. So you know and then you bring around this. This is kind of why I'm thinking WikiLeaks, it makes so much sense now. You know Assange is just, they just need to get him. They just need to get him in their hands. I totally believe the idea of

33:37 of there being secret grand jury indictment and they'll get this done. I really actually don't have any doubt. They're going to get done what they want done. Oh no, they're much more talented. I mean this is again, this is the, I think the public's coming around to this belief that this is a Small group of people that are trying to trying to they've taken over the government. I think it started with change No, no, no, no, please this started with Bush. It started with Bush it can clean it continued through the Clinton Dynasty yeah, you're right probably just start with HW. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's totally started with HW who you know he brought CIA all the way into

34:24 Right, and he's the head of the CIA so he takes over the place and then Clinton comes in out of the blue. Yeah. And he's the neoliberal, you know, of all time and doesn't really change any policies. and is essentially more of a Republican than a Democrat if you really look at it. And you end up with this situation we've got now which is it's too late. Did you see... And they're making plans for the riots. Yeah, they're all ready, good to go, we're ready for that to happen. Did you see what both the president and the vice president were doing? It was like

35:01 I don't know who's running damage control over there when they need, you know, because there's huge companies. We talk about them all the time. Hill and Knowlton is a very, very famous one. And, you know, it's like when you've got something, you got to come up with some kind of distraction. You know, of course, we had they called Clooney. Clooney said, I got nothing called Angelina Jolie. Angelina said, well, this is thing I did working on my own thing. Yeah. Yeah. And but of course, you can always And so the president goes off and visits some pre-kindergarteners. And I'm disappointed he didn't say, hi all everybody. He said, hello. I mean, come on, get these kids early. But listen to what, in this little cliff here, what all of a sudden the teacher, like, is going to remind the slaves to be, and by the way, in this particular connotation, slaves is not such a good thing because the classroom was all black kids.

35:57 So I don't want to get caught on that later because yes, I did see the video. So the whole thing was just weird. Hi! Hi! How you doing? He actually said, hi! That's what he said. I wanted to see you guys. How's everybody doing today? I've got to say hi to your teachers first. Listen to the cameras camera guys, you know, you don't need to make these rackets are drawing our favorite zoo animal

36:40 It's a snake. Is it a big snake or a little snake? A big snake. Remember, I'm going to come and talk to you. So let's kiss it first, okay? Remember what we told you shut up slaves listen to the president you're not supposed to be talking. You think that they audition the photographers that they bring him in they go now shutters not loud enough. Not fast enough you gotta have like. So of course you can't have the vice president Joe O'Biden standing with a bunch of kindergartners because that's creepy and everyone knows it. It's like you know we can't have so

37:26 Biden did read some letters. Let me tell you about this picture I'm looking at a binder a binder full of kids full of letters from a group of third graders from North Philadelphia And they all wrote to me about guns my mom used to have an expression out of the mouths of babes come gems of wisdom as pablum And these little kids, they understand because a lot of them have seen the effects of gun violence in the streets. I want to read to you a little bit about what these kids in one of the city's most impoverished schools have to say. Well, I could go on forever, but the whole thing is just, really? That's your idea? That's like, oh, I know what we can do.

38:15 And I might as well just get a couple clips out of the way here. So here is your compromised minority news service, because that's what the mainstream is. People don't believe them anymore. You're right. And as you stated there, the people are catching on. Here's NBC comparing all of this that's going on to a blip. It's just a, it's like a little blip, little ping. That scandal just one of the political controversy facing the Obama administration right now, but this morning the president's trying to move past them. They'd say the president's keeping things in perspective and believes this is just a blip. They'll bounce back. In the end, they'd say Mr. Obama does not feel under siege this week. The New York Times reporting the president has talked longingly of going Bulworth. This is a very interesting thing that was done here. So this is the, I haven't seen this movie, is what was it called? It was with Warren Beatty.

39:06 Um, Bullworth? Bullworth? Bullworth or... I don't know, was that the name, the title of the movie? Yeah, it was, he was a politician. Yeah, so a politician who... Bullworth, I think. Yeah, who all of a sudden decides to speak the truth. Right. And they, yeah. And so... I think it was Die, if I was, was he dying or he gave up? I don't know the story. Yeah, Bullworth, 1998. So, so the president is privately saying now saying in meetings and I'll just roll this back so we can listen to this in context. That he's going Bullworth. In other words, he's just flapping it all out there. He's telling the honest truth. Because in this movie... This is kind of an old reference nobody gets. He said that? I don't think this movie was a big hit either. I mean, I... Was it? It was moderately. In fact, it only had three stars on the major reviews. Well, listen again to how they're bringing... To me, it's like... So who... They gotta fire somebody. Someone said, quick, go stand next to kids. Oh, Joe, just read these letters.

40:04 And then, uh... Like, I got PR people running the show there. Yeah, let's tell everyone it's bull... So, Carn... I think Carnie has been removed from this. He is not running this show for sure. That may be why he was doing the stand-up. Yes, exactly. He's on his way out. I'm putting it in the record. Put it in the book. Put it in the book. Say Mr. Obama does not feel under siege this week. The New York Times reporting the president has talked longingly of going Bulworth. Taxpayers! Taxpayers! Referencing the movie featuring Warren Beatty as a senator who suddenly decides to speak his mind whatever the political cost. Or he's gonna have a mental breakdown. That may have been what the movie was about too.

41:04 He's like the Gipper, he's awesome. And you always gotta throw in a little Chris Matthews, because it isn't complete until he's called you a racist. But the problem is there are people in this country, maybe 10 percent... And he's with Al Sharpton I think who's going, uh-huh, yeah preach, yeah, uh-huh. I don't know what the number, maybe 20 percent on a bad day. this president to have an asterisk next to it. 20% on a bad day. To his name in the history books that he really wasn't president you know like a guy in baseball that used drugs. They want to be able to say well he really didn't have that batting average he really wasn't the first African-American president he really didn't do health care he really didn't kill bin Laden there's an asterisk. No he didn't. They've been fighting for that the people like Donald Trump since day one they can't stand the idea

41:53 that he's president. And a piece of it is racism. Not that somebody in one racial group doesn't like somebody in another racial group, so what? It's the sense that the white race must rule. That's right. White power, my brother. What is wrong with him? He's all in on Obama. And of course he has to, I see, I think he grits his teeth a little bit when he has to talk to Sharpton because they have to do a throw to, you know, because where they change from one show to another. Yeah. And sometimes he just looks at you because he's I. It has to be embarrassing. Sharpton is an out and out idiot. And MSNBC should be ashamed of themselves for even having him on the air. Do they think that black folk that are all over the place, that don't watch MSNBC, which is a white man's network? Did you just say black folk? Black folk. Do you think the black folk are watching Sharpton? Yes! I don't think so. Yes, they're watching the brother Al. No, they're not.

42:49 Yes, they are! Rolling their eyes like everybody! So, I've been saving these two clips for three weeks. So while we're on it, just idiocy, have you seen the Ed Show? Yes, of course. Well, so this Ed, who apparently... Ed Schwartz, he's the worst! So he apparently is a private pilot and he's got a nice airplane by the way, he's got a million dollar aircraft at the Pilatus and he's flying around the country, he's doing a tour and on this tour, here's a little piece of... A tour by General Electric I might add. Here is a little bit of him speaking.

43:29 Well, Mr. Boehner wants to give these guys a vote again because there's again This is on stage doing his tour and when he has a leather jacket on and a bar stool on stage 70 people he says in the house that have never voted on Obamacare before and he wants to give them the chance now Let's go back and vote on women's rights. Can they still vote when I have a vote on that? Maybe we should do something on civil rights or the Voting Rights Act These people aren't living in reality. The country has voted twice for Barack Obama. There is no doubt that the Supreme Court gave the ruling which is best for the country for the greater good, which is in the Constitution. Well, the greater good is in the Constitution? Is it? I don't think so. No, of course it's not. Well, he's just full of crap as usual. He just said it's in the Constitution that you can do things for the greater good.

44:20 No, it's not. I'll say, I could be mistaken. Well, let's go take a look. The Constitution's online. We can search it. And is there, is there, well, I'll play the remaining 10 seconds of this clip. The Constitution, and we will never give up this fight to make sure that every American has a chance at decent health care coverage in this country. Liberals, that's who we are. We care about our neighbors. That was funny. So while you're looking it up, I want to play a little of the opening montage to show you how insane this guy is. He thinks he is the president.

44:59 So you'll hear him talking and then they'll cut to the president back and forth like he's the vice president or he's like the president's keeper or his guardian angel or some twisted thing. This is the opening montage of his tour. You know what? We're going back to work! Going around America is a big part of telling a story. Fire in the hole. So when you do this kind of thing, you're weird. You know, he's really, he really thinks he's all that in a bag of chips.

46:03 in his brown leather jacket. Did you find the greater good in the Constitution? It's not in there and... Are you sure? Because Ed said it. Some other funny stuff. In the Constitution? There's lots of funny stuff. The Constitution is the... on some of the answers forms where people jump in. The Constitution was not designed for the communistic dogma of the greater good. It was designed to protect individual sovereignty. The Constitution provides for the common defense and to promote the general welfare But we the people has always been denoted as a protection for individuals creating the people, not as a member of a minority group, but as a minority of I the individual with equal rights and freedom for everyone individually. I'm looking at the chat room. Here's a greater good in the Constitution can be found along a paved road with good intentions to hell. Okay. So I don't think that.

46:59 Oh, the Constitution that's online doesn't include the read between the lines text that is being referred to. It's not in there. I've read it a couple times. I really don't think it's in there. No, it's not in there. The common welfare might be in there and it is common defense, general welfare. No, no. It's a meaningless concept this other guy says, unless taken literally, in which case the only possible meaning is the sum of the good of all individual men involved. No, this guy's an a-hole, this Ed Schwartz. Hey, let me just stop for a second, John.

47:39 I'd like to take a moment and congratulate you on World Trade Week, which is coming up this week. Oh, and you got to trade some worlds. And that's exactly right. And by presidential proclamation, it is Emergency Medical Services Week. So all of my favorite EM technicians, We have a few listeners. We do. They will be handing out extra Haldol if you wig out this week. So that's a congratulations. And last night, John, somehow we forgot to discuss it. We forgot to call it, but it is a tradition here on the NOA Agenda program, which is also known as... The Best Podcast in the Universe! We always celebrate the winner of what is that pan... Uhhhhhhhhh.

48:27 I was making bets you were going to forget about this. How can I forget the Eurovision Song Contest, ladies and gentlemen? Congratulations to the People's Nation of Gitmo, Denmark for winning with Emily. DeForest, the song is only teardrops of good little ditty. I like it because it has, you know, like a little piccolo at the beginning. It's got some good militaristic drums going on. And she's smoking hot! Have you seen her? She's 20 years old. And she likes bicycling and walking in the rain. Now, there's something bad though. Controversy.

49:13 Oh, yeah. Yeah. So the Netherlands are first of all, this is it gets really sad. So England sent Bonnie Tyler And who had a number one hit in the 80s with it's a heartache and yes, she had a very distinct vocal Remember that song John? Yeah Can you sing two bars? two bars two bars and the the Netherlands sent a nuke and who was a very good singer, and has had... I don't know if she ever really had international success, but very well respected in the Netherlands. And this is the thing that I recommend against, because you have strikes against you by doing this as an established artist, even though it's the Eurovision Song Contest, it's only supposed to be about the song, and it appears that the Danish song, the winning song, was stolen

50:06 blatantly ripped off from an existing Dutch group. What? Yes! So the song by... Maybe she's just doing a cover. No, no it's not a cover. Oh no, it's a cover. No, here they are side by side. I didn't do this mix but it's kind of side by side. So here's the winning song by Emily de Fores from Denmark. The sky is red tonight And in a moment we'll switch over to chaotic from I think almost 10 years ago maybe here comes It is it really is I'm listening some like it gets this is just the intro wait until you hear the I like the hook Hold on something get to get to it here

51:03 So there's the winning song from Denmark. Here we go. Get ready. And... It's the same song. So I think we should be bombing Denmark any minute now. The World War III can commence. They ripped us off.

51:42 That is funny. It's the same song. I mean it is no it's the same song. It's actually actionable it's very actionable yeah, I just thought that before it was very funny and With that I think we should thank I see the spreadsheet came in so we can thank anyone who? supported us we've been having some issues with the Sunday show and I think you even put out a plea and said please yeah, well we did we caught up with the Sunday show Oh good, but Sunday shows gonna stay I mean we still had I don't want to keep sending to Eat mailings of a week. I noticed you sent your signature. Can we like take that and print it on checks? Yes, okay? It won't do you any good. There's no money in the bank. It's just bounce. Oh

52:29 Because I'll end up with the bounce fee Let's thank a few executive producers and associate executive producers for show 514 beginning with hyper wear technology black baron David Foley in Los Gatos the lost cat, California She's the cat. I think or the cats of 514 in the morning John and Adam from the black baron of Silicon Valley, please send a dose of no agenda karma my way Oh Absolutely, thank you so much You've got karma and black bear David Foley will also be the only member of the 514 club an exclusive club indeed this episode with one well you can bring in his wife Mary Paul Stewart 3 3 3 3 3 from Seattle now a proud lady of the manor and holder of the 3 3 4 challenge coin. Oh Missed it by that much. She's 3 3 3. Yeah, cool. Oh

53:22 Uh, Keith Brown, she's searching. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Does that mean she, is she already a lady? She is now. Uh, cause I don't have anything on the list. Well we don't, if you read the memo on peerage, we do not do any ceremonial stuff. You can just, you're just now allowed to call yourself the lady of the memo. Oh, I'm sorry. Or the grand gentleman. Oh, okay. I know, but, but I mean, that's usually a title change and that's usually listed in the email. Uh, we won't probably be able to do that. I just can't see it. Well, I'm gonna put it in. She mentions it, she says right there. Okay, you can put it in the credits. I'm going to do it right now. Lady Mary Paul Stewart. That's what I'm gonna do. Okay.

54:03 Sir Keith is getting complicated now that we got all these things going on. It's horrible. Real work, what were we thinking? Sir Keith Brown. Unfortunately when people dig up this era, I'm just reminding everybody out there, someday about 1500 years from now they're going to dig up this stuff and hopefully our stuff which we have digitized in all sorts of different ways and then pounded into tin plates and then when they dig it up and say oh my god there was a whole government structure world wide and here's the people who ran the world and Mary Paul Stewart will be seen as some lady of the manor from you know Seattle. She might get a posthumous plaque.

54:45 They'll find the remnants of Seattle, you know, they'll be digging away. Sir Keith Brown in Spring, Texas, 33333. Stepping up to support the Sunday show should put me well over the requirement for a baronet. If you have the time, I'd like to request some. aching back karma, oh aching back karma, okay, counting. He's got the money accounted for. Never received executive producer credits some point in a show, whatever. You know that may have been when we had that one PayPal. Oh yeah, we had a glitch. So huge apologies for that. And go to the show notes for Thursday. Under vaccines you will find a link to Dr. Ken

55:30 He's the guy who worked me over with his rubber bands and his broom handle. He will fix you up. What did he do with the broom handle? We talked about that. So if Sir Keith is in spring... I don't know if he may have emailed me about that. You should have a big Texas meetup. You've got more people down there including our next donor. Yeah, you're right. A contributor. Oh, Sir Gene? Executive producer. Sir Gene. First let me give Sir Keith his aching back karma for a second. You've got karma. Sir Gene is moving to Austin. Oh, so they just to keep better tabs on you. Well, we know, yeah, we know Sir Gene is a consultant of some sort. Yeah, I'm sure he is. I think he got a promotion. Yeah, the Adam Curry account. And he says, you guys don't know what you're talking about. You are so wrong. Here's 33333, which I think is code for good job.

56:32 And I'm pretty sure that refers to Boston. Sir Dwayne Melanson. Again, he's so fancy. High Guard Oregon. He's been helping us out all month. Yeah, he's been on a roll. 3-3. We have to check his numbers because he may be a Baron or a double Baron or something. Earl. No, he isn't Earl. I know he's an Earl because he was an Earl from the last show. Yes. Okay. Yeah, but change that sir to Earl. Well then how? Yeah, but you're gonna have problems with this like I said because we don't have the code. Actually JC may rewrite all this and... Can't he just write that in JavaScript? Yeah. We'll pay him extra. That's what he's learning. But not very much. Don't start promising things.

57:14 ITM gentlemen when I am present I can assure you the first thing I will do is close down Guantanamo. You can take that to the bank. Hold on a second, where is that thing? I can never find that one. You can take that to the bank. Then I will broadcast no agenda constantly over the giant voice system. Please resume normal activity. That's not a real good idea. That could irk some people after a while. Jason Montgomery in High River, Alberta, $300. I have no comment from him apparently. But we do have Jeremy Johnson in Port Anglea, Washington, 258 ADA. He'll be associate executive producer. Heil, Biff, Jebediah and Mabel.

57:53 Donating in honor of the IRS distraction of the week, when does Hot Pockets 2010 tour start? So, it's funny you ask that because two things happened. You know, I did wind up buying a Ms. Mickey replacement vehicle, a Ford Expedition from 2005. Not really the miles I want had a hundred thousand miles on it, but you know of course that but it was a clean car and I spent the extra I think $800 and I have like a huge warranty on it because that's the thing that I did I messed up on on the Range Rover So no, you know now and it's like oh I hear some something in the engine I don't care because that thing will fall apart and I can take it back and they'll fix it for free and

58:43 Or kind of for free, but this thing has the huge 5.7 Engine I mean miss Mickey. I just go to the gas station grab the pump and just shoot it under the ground And so Miss Mickey already, because of course, you know, it's meant for either six children or, you know, a huge payload. And so she already did a 180 turning onto the highway on I-35. It's like you got to learn the accelerator a little bit in that thing. And our producer Brandon here in Austin came all of a sudden he sent me an email and said just so you know, you know that 35-foot trailer the one with the TV screen that automatically pops up and everything the one we couldn't pull with with it with the pickup truck. He says whenever you need it.

59:30 So the thinking is when we get back from our European trip, which will be relatively short in since the beginning of August the idea is maybe to hook up Brandon's trailer to the to the expedition and and go up to Seattle and then maybe drive down the west coast a little bit before heading back. Yeah sounds good. Are you coming? You coming with? No. So that's the answer there. Okay. Onward. Volvo plus Tooney in Raleigh, North Carolina, 250. Keep the good work. Rolf Lehman in some play. Wooden Swill somewhere or other. Parts Unknown, 250. Sounds like

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1:01:08 Kent O'Rourke in Frostburg, Maryland, 200 bucks. Want to get some value for value. I'd like to get some karma for the show. Hopefully some pre-donor boners turn into full-blown donors. As always, thanks for the best podcast in the universe. You've got karma. And I think I remember something coming in from Varney. Let me just take a quick look. Okay. No. David Varney, $200 with no comment. We want to thank them and everybody else who helped us produce this show, Fyah. Yes, and we want to thank our artist in particular, new artist on the scene who did the album art for episode 513, Bomobot. Thank you, Bomobot. Good work.

1:01:56 and uh... managing to work that works last n a is the main donation donation support page also uh... or uh... channel of work dot com slash and a all ed No agenda show dot com. No agenda nation dot com. How's this working out? Sometimes I'm really good at that. It's like you and those names at the end. Let me help. And otherwise I'm just falling all over. Let me help. It's Sunday. That's right, Sunday, the beginning of a new week. Try to go out and propagate that formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. So, um,

1:02:48 I realize that you probably met up with our friends from Austin, Lori Frick and her husband Mark. Yeah. How was that? Did they talk to you about it? I'm just asking how it was. I think they're sweet. Did you, what's the, yeah they are. But now so just to set the stage these are the Obama bots. I didn't realize that until about halfway through the meeting. It was a meeting? You had a meeting? Oh you guys are the Obama bots! Oh, I've always wanted to meet you. You actually said that didn't you? Pretty much. So, um, Miss Mickey received an email this morning.

1:03:30 Uh, okay. John C. Dvorak's- this is from Lori- suggested I report that he was an incredible prick and keep his reputation intact. But in fact, he was gracious, chatty, charming, and we talked for at least two hours! He did a show. He met my dealer Edward. Oh yeah. And grilled him on the world of art and art fairs. Then we had wine at the Gucci Greens restaurant on the pier. And talked and gossiped about all sorts of things. Seriously, Hood was the highlight of the day. Thanks for urging him to come. Even Mark liked him. So, uh, you told me, they told me that you said to them

1:04:25 He's gonna be mean to you. I had to set expectations because, you know, I like these people. Even if they're Obama bots, it doesn't matter. I like them. I mean, I don't like crazy Republicans either. You know, but you know, it's like I don't want to, you know, because look, you're an acquired taste. That's bull. I remember the first time you met Mickey, we had dinner. And you were such a douchebag and she was and she hated you and she got so mad and this is like right now let's go over this correct she got so mad in the car she told me because you got plastered no I did not get claimed I egged you on it to be good what you missed yes so this is my point you see her being steamed up after that episode no no she actually said get out of the car

1:05:18 And I said, I'm not getting out of the car. You get out of the car. I did my part. It was horrible. But it was like some experiment. Like you're like, oh, I got a great idea. They love each other. He's just left his wife for her. Let's screw with their heads. That's the truth, Dvorak. That's what you did. Admit it. There was a little bit of that. Yeah, there was a little bit of that. So anyway, whatever happened somehow... From my perspective, that particular night was hilarious. It was like our first fight not to be the last. So anyway, yeah, no, I liked it too, but we ended up talking mostly about art movements, art trades. You know, she sold out!

1:06:05 What do you mean she sold out? All her works that were at that exhibit sold. Oh, I'm telling you she's incredibly successful. One piece went for 12 grand. I'm telling you she's hugely successful. And I see people copying what she does now. She sold out, I think they're still running today. She's got nothing to sell. Unbelievable. I mean not unbelievable, but fantastic. What the hell? They're paying for dinner next time that's what I told him after she said you guys are buying really where's her donation? Listening you know they're listening or did he oh, I know they're gonna talk about yeah, but where's your donation? Where's your where's your name hood? Where's your night? HP hacks from the yeah HP 3,000 yet. I think she worked at vignette oh

1:06:55 Maybe I think she started vignette. Maybe I don't remember that I shouldn't say anything about it. That's a thing No, that was no No, you mean the publishing platform? Yeah, no. Oh, yeah. Oh, no another one of Halsey miners little creations very Really Don't remember I can I'm maybe just be confused with someone else. I maybe you're confused with what she was part of I thought that Yeah, I maybe she was Well, let me see Laurie Frick that's really probably born in Thanks vignette software snap NBC. I see I told you she but I think she was a co-founder I don't know that I could I wish I had known that cuz I would love to gossip about Halsey minor. Yeah, I

1:07:51 Well, you need... What is wrong with you? Are you living in this age when you meet with someone, the first thing you do is Wikipedia Google them? I just went and did the... well, I could have. But I looked at her YouTube video from TEDx and bitched about TED a lot of times at this meeting. Yeah, I'm sure she agreed with you on that. Oh yeah, she did actually. And so I could recognize her. But she wouldn't admit to it because that could blow her chances of being in the TED crowd. Well anyway, so I wanted to see what she looked like so I and I watching someone on video you say I'll recognize them And it's just a I didn't do much more research than that anyway They are they are my favorite Obama bots without without doubt how they feel about all this stuff with the Obama extension of the Cheney

1:08:47 Well, I think we're meeting on the... It's like Ed Schultz, they're just oblivious. I think I should do a presentation at our next dinner. Yeah, but like a TEDx speech. Eighteen minutes. Canned. Stiff, rigid, boring. I'll play some video clips. And here is MSNBC. This is your channel. Let me just show you what you may have missed while you were out selling art. Again, the richest people I know are Democrats. There you go. Once again, good work. Adam's gonna read his email. Adam's gonna read his email. Adam's gonna read his email. On the No Agenda Show.

1:09:34 So there's only a couple of things that came in. I'm still in a never-ending search for youngins who listen to this program. By the way, the scariest email I got was the following. Your name is being tarnished by negative information online. What can you do to prevent this? Have you gotten any of these? Not for a while. I think they go into my spam box because I don't really get spam. Do something now. Time is not on your side. Wouldn't it be terrible if your loving family, current boss, the people you live beside, or your close friends see this embarrassing and potentially career-ending information? And I'm like, you mean the show notes? Hello, Adam, says producer Brendan. I'm a 17-year-old high school student at my school about an hour and a half northwest of Toronto.

1:10:29 And there we have tornado drills. What happens during this you ask? Well, the principal or some other bozo gets on the giant voice system and tells us to get in the halls and crouch down against the lockers. Then he proceeds to blow into the microphone to simulate wind noise. What? This is the test? This is a test! No one takes them seriously. So while in the halls, everyone pulls out their phones and snapchats each other. The last lockdown drill we had, I was in the library. Cops came to watch us have this lockdown drill and pound on the window with their guns.

1:11:12 We are locked into a small room with windows facing the street which makes all of about 50 of us in this room sitting ducks should a real threat be present in the morning adios mofos producer Brendan there in Toronto, so this is proof that That what you see on television is not what's really going on in the world People are smart. The new generation is smart. The kids are smart. They just need an outlet You know, they just need this is I need to start the Adam Curry School of podcasting. We need to get these kids communicating with each other About this kind of stuff. It's okay. I'm a 48 almost 49 year old guy, and I'm happy that we got a 17 year old Who's listening to this show? I hope they can relate to everything we talked about and

1:11:56 Maybe they do. Maybe this truly is... I'm sure they do what normal people do. They listen to it and they consider it and they maybe don't buy into some of it and some of them say they're skeptical, which they should be, and then they go look it up for themselves and see that it's worse or whatever. That's the way you're supposed to do things. That's the way the public I think generally speaking does things but they're not being allowed to. I think you have to always remember one of the things about the show that always struck me which is that people gravitate toward it saying stuff like you know I knew I always felt something was wrong. Yes, exactly. I always believed some crazy things was going on in the background. I wasn't being told I wasn't being told what was going on and now listening to you guys just read legislation and listen to these guys on these

1:12:50 various forums and hearings proves that I, the listener, was right all along. And it was like we're a breath of fresh air because we deliver the real information. Well, and we deliver the best that we can. So for instance, we were talking about Cody R. Wilson. Now this is the Austin law student at UT. So it said, so the book of knowledge says who runs a non-profit, which even though I can't find any information on this non-profit, Defense Distributed, which has been a non-profit for at least a year but has not filed any paperwork as such, and has fired a gun which was fired once, was replicated in Finland, the thing blew up, which is nothing short of a really bad zip gun.

1:13:43 We've been following this story thinking that there is something else going on here. And whether Cody Wilson is with the good guys or with the bad guys, there is definitely something going on here. So, when we discussed the previous show, and I got a lot of email about this which I'm not going to read. You know, we said, hey, this guy's got an accent, which already was a setup from one of our producers saying, you know, we thought it was Australian. John, you thought maybe South African. Most people who listened to our discussion and our analysis, which could be wrong, were the first ones to say. They all, a lot of them say, look, I'm Australian. I can, this sounds like an Australian who grew up here, moved to the States, has lived in the States for a long time.

1:14:31 All I know is we can't really find any background information on him, which is weird to say the least. His Wikipedia page is very, very sparse. None of where he grew up, who he grew up with, where he's from, you know, does he have family? None of that. And I got a couple of really angry emails of people, you know, who I think their heart is in the right place, saying, you know, why don't you just go talk to him? Go over there. He's in Austin. Like, that's not what we do. You know, I'm not an investigative reporter and that's also not the thing that I'm interested in. Whether he is for real or not. What I'm interested in is why are we seeing these very slick, it's almost like a promotional program about guns and printables and really 3D printing of weapons. Which is, what he's doing is not special.

1:15:29 And as I'm thinking about this, I think it was one or two, maybe three episodes ago, we went back to, oh, it was about climate change. And we went back to the State of the Union. And I had that clip laying around and somewhere in the back of my mind, I'm like, wasn't there something in the State of the Union about this very thing? And so I go back and by the way, You've got to do some work to find these states. When it's in February, do you know how many appearances the president has made in video? That's all he does. Oh my god. So, you know, luck and oh yeah, and the C-SPAN search is so helpful. State of the Union in quotes, not in quotes. Yeah, no, it's whore. It just says C-SPAN search is mediocre. Piece of crap. So anyway, I find this. There are things we can do right now to accelerate this trend.

1:16:25 Last year we created our first manufacturing innovation institute in Youngstown, Ohio. A once shuttered warehouse is now a state-of-the-art lab where new workers are mastering the 3D printing that has the potential to revolutionize the way we make almost everything. There's no reason this can't happen in other towns. So tonight I'm announcing the launch of three more of these manufacturing hubs, where businesses will partner with the Department of Defense and Energy to turn regions left behind by globalization into global centers of high-tech jobs. And I ask this Congress to help create a network of 15 of these hubs and guarantee that the next revolution in manufacturing is made right here in America. We can get that done.

1:17:11 So of course, and while he's saying this, actually the camera is getting a shot of some guys who actually does like a gang sign. He's like some young guy in the bleachers there during the State of the Union. And he does like, you know, with his two fingers, like, yeah, you know, like, you know, one of those douchebags, like throwing, throwing, throwing a gang sign. Yeah, the douchebag gang signs from guys, white guys. Yeah, like, wow, the guy just threw a gang sign during the State of the Union. Okay, I missed that the first time around. Okay, so now I go around looking and sign what did it say? You look at there are do you know there is a decoding system? Yes? No, no, I know exactly what it said. I'm a douchebag is what it was This is very typical that we've seen this sign before So there so he the president talks about these manufacturing innovation institutes, so I go looking for the innovation institutes and

1:18:14 And you come up with this manufacturing.gov where you can find some information about it. And this is relatively recent. The Obama administration announced it's launching competitions to create three new manufacturing innovation institutes with a federal commitment of $200 million. OK, so now this is getting interesting. There's a lot of money involved. And then we have a fact sheet. About the competition for three new manufacturing innovation institutes and at the bottom there talks about 3d printing additive manufacturing often referred to as 3d printing is a new way of making products and components from a digital model and will have implications in a wide range of industries including defense Aerospace which is the same thing automotive same thing and metals manufacturing

1:19:04 Like an office printer that puts 2D digital files on a piece of paper, a 3D printer creates compounds by depositing thin layers of material one after another using a digital blueprint until the exact component required has been created. The Department of Defense envisions customizing parts on-site for operational systems that would otherwise be expensive to make or ship. The Department of Energy anticipates that additive processes would be able to save more than 50% energy use compared to today's subtractive manufacturing process. So then I'm like, okay, where are these centers? You need to go to namii.org. That's November, Alpha, Mike, India, India.org, the National Additive Manufacturing Innovation Institute. When you see this,

1:19:53 It becomes very clear. What this is about is it's not even a war on 3D printers. This is a war on hacker spaces. We cannot have in the furthest of any imagination individuals grouping together in hacker spaces. And it turns out we have a pretty big one here in Austin. We have two or three here in the Bay Area. I'm going to visit this now. Now I'm really freaking interested. This is a and I think we were right in our assertion and whether Cody is on the good side of this or the where they no matter what he's doing he is helping the government make additive manufacturing dangerous and therefore it has to be controlled and the way you control that is in these innovation institutes

1:20:47 in these manufacturing innovation institutes which are government sanctioned with huge budgets. We're talking 75 million dollars a pop people. So where is everyone going to go? These are going to be and the Department of Defense, it's aerospace. This is the business of America. If you look at where our industry is, we make stuff that goes on to stuff that kills stuff. And predominantly brown people who live in sandy areas. We're very, very good at this. Not my favorite, but that is our industry. That is our industry, instead of people making their own bicycles or their own pots and pans. This is a, it truly is a revolution. This is what the TPP is about too, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, all of these intellectual property laws that are all secret, that we're not allowed to know about because of this. And we need to figure out

1:21:46 how to get a hold of as much of this technology and it's going to go underground. It has to go underground to protect it because this is truly our future. And this is this is training wheels. This is training wheels with a helmet on this stuff that we have right now. The future is so large. And these people, the big manufacturers and yes, of course, it's going to be GE who will has the big the giant voice system called Broadcast. who will be telling you how dangerous this is and we have to regulate this technology because oh you know stupid slaves they might be going off like Cody and making a gun and so I think we have latched on to something here that is as important

1:22:29 the energy pipeline industry that you know that is wrecking the world this is going to be a front and this is actually a front I want to be on I want to be on the front lines of this well something's up to sum it up ladies and gentlemen something's amiss thanks John thanks for the backup there buddy I'm good at this analysis yeah something's up So the hackerspace thing is fantastic and I'm thinking, although I see the one in Austin is already messed up. The minute people try to make money off of it, that's when it breaks down. It's like, oh we got shares in the hackerspace and there's angel investors, like, ugh, you're ruining everything.

1:23:24 Yeah, this is like farming. This is the 21st century version of farming. Yeah, that's actually a good analogy because the little farmer is... the whole goal of big egg, as they like to call it, is to just wipe out the little farmers and then industrialize all our food instead of having some... great tasting or heirloom product that we can get maybe a little actually it's not even that much more expensive than the commercial stuff but it keeps a little farmer in business. Those guys they would like love to shoot them all. In fact, there's a recent legislation that's coming out and we'll probably discussing it further and shows in the future when some hearings show up

1:24:12 about you know pretty much putting the organic farmer out of business and putting the small dairy out of business. Anyone who makes raw milk they go and I got letters from people, oh you've extolled the virtues of raw milk, you're going to kill everyone. And so then I said well that's interesting because we've been drinking raw milk up in Port Angeles for 15 years that's all we drink. gallons of it and no one's ever gotten ill actually feel a lot better drinking it you don't you know it's got well hold on a second now you are there are some things I'm seeing going wrong with you and I and I and I think I know that I wasn't mean to the two Obama bots no no that you remember what we talked about last week right after the show yeah do you know may I talk about it but was it about your new grandchild

1:25:03 Oh, well no, I'd rather not talk about family matters. But to be honest about it. Okay. But no, that's because I'm down here. It was hilarious. I have not, yes, very funny. To you, you just like to ridicule me. That's all I live for. Yes. It's true. I've been down here for four months. I have not had any raw milk. So my mind is slowly going. That's it. There you go. Okay, I'll take that. That's proof too. That's okay. That's good. So that's positive proof. Proof positive. That's good. Well, in Europe, you know... By the way, you have your little list there of people's birthdays? I get a kick out of this. The birthday list, you have to add a new name to it that JC apparently forgot. Okay. Eric, his brother. The shill? Yeah. When's his birthday? When is it? It was yesterday. Oh, okay. Wow.

1:26:04 Okay, but see now you're, this is actually kind of low. I mean you're calling out your kid. Nah, just kidding. Get back to the topic. In Euroland, they have new seed laws where you won't be able to have any seeds unless they're registered with the government. Yeah, there's been, actually there was another thing that happened in Eurolaw too besides the registered seed. The oil. There's a couple of horrible things that go on. The olive oil. Yeah! Yeah, the olive oil! Can you believe that? Yes. Why don't you explain what that is to people who don't know? Okay, I have it here. I have an actual link. You can find all this in the show notes, of course, at 514.nashownotes.com after the show is published.

1:26:53 The European Union is to ban olive jugs and dipping bowls from restaurant tables in a move described by one of Britain's top cooks as authoritarian and damaging to artisanal food makers. So yes, apparently starting next year, olive oil presented at restaurant table, quote unquote, must be in pre-packaged factory bottles with a tamper-proof dispensing nozzle and labeling in line with EU industrial standards. So in other words, if a little restaurant in the countryside in Italy, let's say, in Tuscany, where they grow their own olives and they crush their own olive oil and they bring it out to the customer, they can't do that anymore.

1:27:36 That is not allowed. Now, they can of course bring their olives to the industrial giant who will mash them with other olives and package them in nice little friendly cartons and then they can put the little cartons on the table. And the whole thing is sad. But this is just a pendulum. I mean it all comes back. Our grandkids will be great. Whatever their names are. Exactly. There are great. I wish I had a grandkid it will shortly my daughter decided. She's lesbian. It's like oh, oh That's a phase. I don't know no. I don't think this one's a face. They're really in love. Oh, she has a girlfriend Yeah, oh well there goes your grandkid Can I borrow one of yours or actually they make? No, there's talk about it. No. There's talk of of all kinds of the but I'm like well once you

1:28:31 try each other for a while. Take your time. Yeah. Anyway, so you got any more commentary about the National Additive Manufacturing Innovation Institute? Why do you comes up with these names? N-A-M-I-I has an official sound. It's the defense industry. It is the... Look at these guys though. Look at the site. Look at these guys. They're defense douches. They're Boeing guys, McDonald's guys, a lot of aerospace guys. Raytheon, the Palm Group. I mean, come on, this whole thing is... and this is Youngstown, Ohio. So, this is not... so the president said let's set up these centers and the first one is in Youngstown, Ohio, but this one, this is a... I think it's for-profit. This is not like a non-profit dealio here. Let me just see, members, become a member.

1:29:27 So anyway, this is, you know, it's clear what they want and we have to encourage... Maybe I should do... I think we need more and I think really the hackerspace is what it's about and maybe there's a Kickstarter in there. I think a Kickstarter for a hackerspace or like a national hackerspace or something, that would be big. I think a lot... Something to compete with the big boys. Yeah, because this is Blaine. And you won't be able to have anything made here. It's not like they're foundries. Exactly. So anyway, regardless of what Cody's mission, whatever he's about... Mission, I think you hit the right word. Yeah, mission. I think it is a mission. He's succeeding.

1:30:13 But he's not succeeding in some, you know, if he were to come out with this and say look we got to have, you know, free access to printers. Now he's all on the gun thing and there's some videos. I don't know. I'm not trusting this. Just anyway, it doesn't matter because now we know what it's about so we can keep our eye on this. This is the long game. It was an exciting time for our community, said the founding director to the boss of Raytheon. Please! The boss of Raytheon? I mean, this is like kids who have great ideas, but no, no, no, we have to take all these great skills and you gotta make parts for killing machines. Hey, slave, get over here! Design a paint part for my drone. No, that's not what this is about. We can make great things.

1:30:57 What did you go to the Maker Faire? Did you see, did you go? No, I didn't go. Oh. I was busy working on the show. Oh, well so Gene, Sir Gene, you know the Yeah, he was supposed to meet with me by the way. The Baron of the Marriott. With the uh... with the Fricks. Oh yeah, he didn't meet up? No. Never showed. Oh, maybe you just didn't see him. No, no. Don't worry, he saw you. He uh, he sent me a picture from the Maker Faire. What was the red dot that kept showing up on my chest? He sent me a picture and I think there was someone who made a whole bike. Like a printed bike with wooden fenders and it was beautiful.

1:31:37 So, you know, this is the kind of stuff that we can imagine how drastically that will change. I mean, yesterday we we tried something which turned out to be not such a great product and not an outstanding product. You actually recommended we get a misting fan. No, not a fan. I would recommend those little misting little nozzles. Right, so we got a fan that has those nozzles. Okay. This is not an outstanding product. It basically makes you... I didn't recommend that. I recommended just the nozzles. Alright, well we got the nozzles and we got one that had a fan attached to it. Alright. And it's not good. It just makes you wet. Why? It makes you wet! Oh, well that's no good. No, of course it's no good. That's what they use in the NFL. They use those things with a fan. Right, but when I look at this thing,

1:32:24 Because of course you know it comes in a box and some assembly required always the IKEA model Yeah, which I am really starting to dislike. I mean this is this is cheating people out of jobs This isn't this is that's truly what it is because all you're doing now is getting some cheap crap from China and believe me it is cheap crap from China and And you're not even keeping them in jobs. Like, no, no, no, just punch it out of your machine. Don't have any slaves put it together. No, no, no. Keep it in an economical box so you can fit a million of them in a container and ship them over. In fact, having a 3D printer is going to be deemed patriotic one day. Put that in the book.

1:33:09 Put that in the book, because it is how we will fight in the global war. It's how we become independent. Because I look at this fan and I'm like, this is such shit. It is shit. It's just plastic shit. Shit, I say. Yeah, you made your point. And I'm like, it's embarrassing that I'm putting this together and then you turn it on and it just makes you wet. You see the disappointment? I just put a hose and take a fan and... Yeah, like, hey Mickey, stand there. Enjoy your mist! It looked good in the brochure and everything, but no. No, no, no, no. This was not an outstanding product. So we can do that. I can imagine like, you know, I'm gonna have to figure out this 3D modeling stuff. What you said the other day, the 3D scanners, that's exciting. So I can go in, I can go into Home Depot, scan their piece of shit Chinese fan, and then make modifications to one that'll actually work.

1:34:12 And then I don't mind putting it together, because then it's mine. Alright. There's going to be a lot of that. Yeah, there will be. It's going to be a very exciting time. I wish I was 20 years younger. Because anyone who's you got to get in on this now you really got a guy I'll tell you what you have to do first you're gonna have to get to learn the software and and most of that is Autodesk right now yeah, and that's But they do have some Autodesk has some modules you can buy just for 3d printers that don't cost an arm and a leg and that's what you have to look for I think there's some public domain. Yeah, there's got to be some open-source stuff that does I think that Autodesk has free stuff that you can

1:34:49 Yeah, but I would support look around. I'm supporting open source in this too. I mean screw it I'm I'm I'm just that's a part of this revolution for the 21st century John And you're not helping with your, you know, raving articles about Adobe. You're not helping. I would be glad to move over if somebody would make GIMP so it was more than a piece of crap. You collaborator, are you? You're just a collaborator with the enemy. GIMP, when's the last time you tried the GIMP? They, you know, they do update this stuff. The GIMP, I keep forgetting that. You gotta say the GIMP. When's the last time you tried it? They do update it, you know.

1:35:30 Who they, huh? It's been a couple years. No, I'll tell you, it's like, so I'm really looking at this, and here's an example, Hamvention is going on. They have live video streams. Oh, cool! Oh no, it's not cool. Oh, okay. Mickey came in, I didn't know that she came in, she watched, she's like, oh my god. I'm like, oh shit. You gotta put up with these guys. There was a guy who had a hard hat on and on top of the hard hat he had a miniature antenna tower which he could raise. The guy that was speaking at the event? He was just walking around. I love that! And he could twist it and it went vroop vroop vroop. It could go up and down. Anyway, it's kind of sad because the whole thing is

1:36:20 There's a huge maker community there as well, but it's being overrun by you know by like Icom who? Pretend to be an American company, but I'm pretty sure their stuff's all Chinese. You know I think I think the the Chinese put their stuff together and you know, but there's anyway I Don't know what I was gonna say. Oh yes. I was gonna say that FL Digi. There's there's a program that that is open source, that really competes with, I mean not just competes, but blows the socks off of any other commercial product out there. And when you see the work that goes, there's an update every couple of days and people are contributing and it's really nice to see a really good piece of software that is much better than any of the commercial alternatives. And I think that if enough people were interested enough, and I'm trying to push Miss Mickey this way,

1:37:15 Yeah, because she's like, oh, you know, Photoshop. And she's like, oh, you know, I want to get the Adobe iCloud. It's a good deal. And it's not a good deal. I'll get you whatever you want, but it's not a good deal. It's $600, $700 a year. Yeah, you can get like just one module. OK, so then it's $300 a year. You don't own anything. You're on the hook. Like if you have a bad month and you can't, you know, you need the $20 for health care, then, you know, they cut you off. Your software doesn't work. You're done. You're done, scrounger. You're not an artist anymore. Go to GIMP. Go get GIMP. So the GIMP needs help. GIMP needs help. Why don't you just put yourself in a situation where you pay, you pay, you can't do it anymore, you go to the GIMP and get yourself back on your feet, then you can go back. What is, what are you missing from the GIMP? What? What are you missing from the GIMP?

1:38:10 everything? No, no, no, no, no. All right. You're not being serious with me. All right. That's fine. That's fine. You just you just you just talking. You haven't looked at the gimp in years. I haven't. I'll go look at the gimp again. And then you want me just want to do here's what I'm gonna do just to Just to assuage your doubting me, I'm going to go play with the game, but I'm going to write a review of it. I'm going to write a regular review about what a great or not great product is. You can be honest. But you should, it's about time someone did an honest review of the GIMP and if it sucks... And since I do have Photoshop experience I can make comparisons saying well this is better than Photoshop, this is not as good, this is better, good, and I can do the whole thing and then I can make my, you know, and that'll be it, I'm done. And then I'll never complain again. Okay. Ever. That's a deal. Interesting news came out about Huma Abedin. Did you see this? Your buddy. Yeah.

1:39:13 Turns out, during her entire time as Hillary's body man, their words not mine, she was also moonlighting as a consultant. Oh really? Yes. How nice. According to the Times, Uma Abedin worked for Teneo. Teneo is a strategic consulting firm founded by, co-founded I think, by Doug Band, former advisor to Bill Clinton. Oh, isn't that convenient? And if you read their about page, the firm has advised... Well, how do you spell Teneo? Tango Echo November Echo Oscar. The firm has advised corporate clients like Coca-Cola and MF Global.

1:40:07 And so she was working there, just like, you know, oh yeah, just working there part-time while she was with the most powerful woman in the universe. Really? Doesn't that seem like, what do they call that? It seems like it's illegal to be honest about it. Well, this of course, these stories now pop up because everyone knows that Hillary is the next president of the United States. And so, of course, this is not like this is unknown. This is the thing that bothers me about it. So it's like this IRS thing as well. This has been going on for years. And many, many people have complained and specifically people have complained about the IRS targeting Tea Party Patriot groups with that in their name, which is like one or two mom and pops who actually want to change the country. And well, while you're discussing, I do have a clip. Well, I was leading into a clip, but OK, but I OK, go. You probably have a better clip. By the way, before you go to the IRS story, I want to say something about Taneo.

1:41:09 Yes, I'm looking at it. It's a it's a it's a huge company. It's big and they have to nail capital to nail restructuring today Oh strategy and to nail intelligence. They're its own intelligence gathering. Oh sure, which works closely with the State Department obviously and they have all kinds of politics and policy security. Yeah, I Yeah, yeah, and this was this of course was not a story ever no But it's it's obvious that it's known. This is and this I think is the main thing that people are catching on to is that None of the media, and I'm looking at you New York Times in particular I mean those guys like wow and by the way You've got the the former BBC head who you know helped cover up BBC pedo gate now running the show you know

1:41:58 And you should see he was running news, like the Rothschilds have now joined the Newsnight team over there in the BBC. The whole thing, it's just hilarious how the elites get their hands all over... It's amazing, and listen to this. And you know the money comes in from every which way, especially the Defense Department money, which has never been audited. Teneo was founded in 2011 by three partners. Declan Kelly, former US Special Envoy to Northern Ireland, US CEO of Financial Dynamics and EVP and CIO of FTI Consulting. Doug Band, Counselor to President William Jefferson Clinton. That's what I just said, he co-founded the company. Yeah, and Paul Keery.

1:42:39 Former senior managing another FTA FTI consulting has got something to do with this. I'll look at that. Okay, I hadn't looked at that. Yeah. So when you when you said earlier, john, when you're thinking like, I feel I feel it's just something's wrong. I can feel it. That's because your body is inherently smarter than your brain, or it's it knows sooner for some reason. It's the our brains have been trained to be stupid. So I got a couple clips here regarding this IRS thing, which is just very interesting because it kind of flows along these same lines of really there was gambling going on there? Like we didn't know that the IRS are a bunch of armed hoods? Are you telling me that if you leave milk out it goes sour? So Charles Krauthammer, who I like, doesn't seem to have a show. He's just on shows.

1:43:31 So he's identifying what we said immediately. It's like, hold on a second. This information about the IRS was not discovered by accident. It was set up specifically on a call with a shill to ask the question to get this into light, which leads me to believe, as I prophesized on the previous episode, that this is meant to bring down the grand old party. Bit of news that we got. How this was released by the IRS. This is peculiar and I'm not even sure I can understand why. But they decide, knowing the IG report will come out this week, they decide a week ago to plant a question in a closed meeting of the ABA so that Lois Lerner answers it.

1:44:18 and gives an answer, assuming I think that it's going to leak out. But I'm not even sure I understand the logic of doing that. Why not just issue a press release, say it, but to do it in this sort of ridiculously devious way shows you an institution that is sort of given intrinsically to being untruthful and deceptive. See, that's where he goes off the rails, because I don't think that's what's going on here. No one is that dumb. Certainly not the IRS. By the way, in the chat room, No Corn Syrup says Teneo is Atlas McDowell. I thought that was a pretty good... You remember Atlas McDowell? Who on was your clip? From Rubicon. Yes. So here is...

1:45:09 So, so of course I believe that that this was brought out because it will turn out that it was indeed the Republican Party leadership who wanted the true Tea Party the true patriots, real people who really were angry and wanted some change. And they were angry at all political parties. That's why these small little mom and pops were targeted. But the calls came from the Republican Party. And I think my prophecy is coming true as the leadership of the GOP seems to be a bit worried.

1:45:45 Republicans on Capitol Hill, they're pursuing several investigations right now. You're even hearing talk of impeachment from some of them or some of their leaders worried that some of the Republicans may be overplaying their hand? There's real concern about this. You hear people saying, some Republicans on the right saying this is worse than Watergate, worse than Iran-Contra, talking about impeachment. Well, Republican leaders are worried that could go way too far. In fact, you saw the chairman of the Republican Party, Reince Priebus, today in Politico telling fellow Republicans, look, you don't talk about impeachment until you have the evidence. Well, isn't that interesting? Isn't that interesting that Mr. Priebus is a little worried about what's happening?

1:46:27 Did you see any of the C-SPAN miniseries with Miller, the outgoing head of the IRS? Yeah, I have one clip that I thought was interesting for two reasons. This is the one with, what's his name, Gr... What the fuck's his name? Oh. Is it Kelly? I think his name is Kelly. Mike Kelly, the Republican? Mike Kelly, go off on the guys. But what was interesting besides the rant was the huge round of applause he got from the peanut gallery. So your clip is... We have the same clip, so I'm going to play yours because yours is shorter. But this is not going to go away. This is a Pandora's box that has been opened. I don't think I can get the lid back on it. And I don't believe that the White House just found out about this in the news report

1:47:20 The president happened to grab a TV shot or just read Mr. George's report and said, you know what? Anybody heard about this before? I'm just getting a first look at this. Shouldn't somebody be responsible? I'm thinking maybe the executive office, maybe Treasury falls in there. I'm not sure that we understand how that organizational chart works. But I am really concerned. Now, I got to tell you, where you're sitting, you should be outraged, but you're not. The American people should be outraged, and they are. And this committee, this has nothing to do with political parties. This has to do with highly targeted groups. This reconfirms everything that the American public believes. This is a huge blow to the faith and trust that the American people have in their government. Is there any limit to the scope of where you folks can go? Is there anything at all? Is there any way that we could ask you? Is there any question that you shouldn't have asked? My goodness, how much money do you have in your wallet? Who do you get emails from?

1:48:21 who signed you put up in your front yard? This is a tax question? You don't think that's intimidating? It sure as hell intimidating. And I don't know that I got any answers from you today and I don't know that what Mr. George has done is great work, but you know what? There's a heck of a lot more that has to come out in this than anybody to sit here today and listen to what you have to say. I am more concerned today than I was before and the fact that you all can do just about anything you want to anybody, you know you can put anybody out of business that you want anytime you want and I gotta tell you, you talked about you're a horribly run organization. If you're on the other side of the fence, you're not given that excuse.

1:49:05 And when the IRS comes in, you're not allowed to be shoddy, you're not allowed to be run horribly, you're not allowed to make mistakes, you're not allowed to do one damn thing that doesn't come in compliance. If you do, you're held responsible right then. I just think the American people have seen what's going on right now in their government. This is absolutely an overreach and this is an outrage for all America. I yield back. Mr. Griffin is recognized for five minutes. Hang him by his balls! You know what I think, as I was listening to that? I'm thinking that these guys have to do this. They have to make the IRS just like, they have to drag them through the mud to deflect

1:49:47 The truth which I again I think is because the GOP called the Congress in general called for this investigation. We like the idea of making the IRS a a bogeyman, a really bad actor, because it helps scare the public. Every year some celebrity is busted and they make a big point of ruining his life so they can scare everybody. And this is just part of that, as far as I can tell. He wasn't accomplishing anything by berating these two or three guys that were just standing there going, shrugging their shoulders saying, we don't care, we're stuck here, we're just to get paid by the hour. You know, it's just part of the whole system, I believe, even though he seemed outraged and it got a big round of applause, it just makes it worse. Everybody likes a common enemy, that's for sure.

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1:58:12 Ramen, you know what you know this is happening. I see something so I'm gonna say something the Germans are Rising I think there's something going on because I was chatting with somebody from Germany recently mm-hmm And they said that this is this screwed up is it there's a reduced They're not talking about but they're just there's a baddest shape as France. Oh, it's horrible, but they have you know this is the so the new Germans are Who I've had the pleasure of working with about seven or eight years ago, we were thinking about setting up an office in Berlin and so I spent some quite a lot of time in the area and they're so incredibly nice and helpful and smart and of course, you know, there's a little bit of overcompensation for you know that whole bike thing and

1:59:03 Back in the second war. It's like the Jew thing. Whatever Maybe there's a little bit of that but not really anymore. It's like all cool and most kids like What I don't remember I wasn't around it's like and they're great and they are extremely technically competent and advanced in their thinking of solving problems and making cool shit, but honestly I've been very impressed and they're not falling for this dictatorship bullcrap, this Merkelization and worse the Bundesbank.

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2:09:38 So, I found it very, we talked about this a little bit at the beginning of the show about the country becoming a dictatorship of the executive branch. And I was incensed when I listened to Lindsey Graham in front of Congress essentially selling out the Congress. and promoting more of the executive branch bull crap. I have two clips. Now tell us again who Lindsey Graham is. Lindsey Graham's the douchebag from South Carolina Republican. He's very closely allied with McCain. He's a Republican or is he a Democrat? He's a Republican. He's very closely allied with McCain and when you see these deals they always have Lindsey Graham involved and McCain involved. Yeah, they're doing a reach around. Let's have more bombs. We gotta bomb these guys.

2:10:28 Why aren't we in Libya? Let's get some of those kids to print up some bombs. Lindsey Graham goes out of his way to essentially sell out Congress by giving the executive branch more power by a bad interpretation. I have two clips. I have first him and then Angus King, an independent from Maine going off on pretty much what Lindsey Graham said even though he never points the finger at him. But when you listen to this, I want to stop after you play this clip because there's a number of logical questions I would have loved to have seen one of the, in fact I think Angus King who came up right after Graham could have asked the question and I'm going to ask it and answer it but instead King just goes crazy. But Lindsey Graham sells out Congress

2:11:18 Do you agree with me the war against radical Islam or terror, whatever description you like to provide, will go on after the second term of President Obama? Senator, in my judgment, this is going to go on for quite a while and yes, beyond the second term of the President. And beyond this term of Congress? Yes, sir. I think it's at least 10 to 20 years. So, from your point of view, you have all the authorization and legal authorities necessary to conduct a drone strike against terrorist organizations in Yemen without changing the EMF? Yes, sir, I do believe that. You agree with that, General? I do, sir. General, do you agree with that? I do, sir. Okay, could we send military members into Yemen to strike against one of these organizations? Does the President have that authority to put boots on the ground in Yemen?

2:12:15 As I mentioned before, there's domestic authority and international law authority. the moment, the basis for putting boots in the ground in Yemen, we respect the sovereignty of Yemen and it would... I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about does he have the legal authority under our law to do that. Under domestic authority, he would have that authority. I hope the Congress is okay with that, I'm okay with that. Does he have authority to put boots in the ground in the Congo?

2:12:53 We have good people. Yes sir, he does. Okay. Do you agree with me that when it comes to international terrorism, we're talking about a worldwide struggle? Absolutely sir. Would you agree with me the battlefield is wherever the enemy chooses to make it? Yes, sir from Boston to to the Fatah. I couldn't agree with you more. We're in a general Yes, sir I agree that the enemy decides where the battlefield is and it could be any place on the planet and we have to be aware and Able to act and do you have the ability to act and you aware of the thrift?

2:13:29 Yes, sir. We do have the ability to react and we are tracking threats globally. From my point of view, I think your analysis is correct and I appreciate all of your service to our country. Now before you say a word, because I read the transcript of this and because of mainly the search function on cspanvideo.org I was not just unable to get anything in time. So it is by default a little bit, but still I have to give you the clip of the day. Because of course, this a-hole who, and I think he should be thrown into the hot box, is saying that Congress no longer has the constitutional authority to declare war.

2:14:26 It's basically the president and whatever powers he thinks he has. This is mind-boggling and for him to actually say I agree, I think Congress should agree, it's all this is exactly it. I mean I am almost speechless. Isn't that amazing that clip? That guy's unbelievable. Now here's the thing that should have happened right after that. Somebody should have come out with a kind of a just a similar line of questioning. Follow right with Lindsey Graham after he says, is it okay to put boots on the ground in Congo? Yeah, shit, no problem. Is it okay to put boots on the ground in Germany? Is it okay to put boots on the ground in England? Is it okay to put boots on the ground in Mexico? In Canada? Is it okay to put boots on the ground in China? They're already there. Is it okay to put... they have to say yes to all these questions.

2:15:18 Somebody should have said Germany for sure that would it that would it tick someone off? Well, they have to say yes to that. Well, the Germany's and is an ally we wouldn't we have but do we have the authorization? We do we have boots on the ground in Germany. Well, we do but I'm talking about you know what I'm saying? But that's how well we do have boots on the ground, but they're in a camp. So just for yeah, actually we do have boots on the ground in Germany. What am I thinking? So and so just for so people understand We have to explain that according to the rules of the United States, only Congress, and this of course has been going on for forever, because we have undeclared wars,

2:16:05 In both, uh, is what Iraq was declared though wasn't it? Didn't Congress declare that? No, no, it was a, uh, no the only, the closest they came to this authorization for military authority, or military action, sorry. Uh, there was never a declaration of war, technically we've never done one since, uh, a long time. Long time. Long time. So Angus King was the independent. This is going a little bit too far though. So basically wherever the enemy is at. So Boston, they can put boosters on the ground. Boston, he said Boston. That means we can bring the military in. And you brought the clip in earlier about the military taking over the place. It wasn't even a clip. I was just reading the law.

2:16:45 I know, it's unbelievable. So this all fits together. Meanwhile, there's one lone voice in the wilderness because the Republicans are all for this for some dumb reason. What do they think? They're going to get presidency again against Hillary? They're just giving to Hillary. Can you imagine Hillary as the dictator of the United States? Well, get used to it. Oh, I'm going to go work for her. It's the only job I'll get. So Angus Keene is independent. Let me know how that works out when you apply. I will. Hi Hillary, I really admire your work. I think you're good for all women. Love your work man.

2:17:24 So Angus King goes off and of course no Democrats say anything. They're not going to say anything because the president's got the dictatorial power and the Republicans seem to be a bunch of warmongers so you got nothing going on and the whole Congress is a corrupt bunch of creeps and we got this guy and you can play this for as long as you want but you can kill it because it's pretty long. That's a date, it doesn't go into the future and then it says or harbored such organizations, past tense. or persons in order to prevent any future acts by such nations, organizations or persons. It established a date. I don't disagree that we need to fight terrorism, but we need to do it in a constitutionally sound way.

2:18:04 Now, I'm just a little old lawyer from Brunswick, Maine, but I don't see how you can possibly read this to be in comport with the Constitution and authorize any acts by the President. You had testified to Senator Graham that you believe that you could put boots on the ground in Yemen under this document. That makes the war powers a nullity. I'm sorry to You ask such a long question, but my question is, what's your response to this? Senator, let me take the first response. I'm not a constitutional lawyer or a lawyer of any kind, but let me take a brief statement about Al Qaeda and the organization that attacked us on September 11, 2001. Two years prior to that, Senator King, that organization attacked us in East Africa and killed 17 Americans at our embassy in Nairobi with loosely affiliated groups of people in East Africa.

2:19:03 a year prior to 9-11, that same organization with its affiliates in Yemen almost sunk a U.S. ship, the USS Cole, a billion-dollar warship, killed 17 sailors in the port of Aden. The organization that attacked us on 9-11 already had its tentacles around the world with associated groups. That was the nature of the organization then. It is the nature of the organization now. In order to attack that organization, we have to attack it with those affiliates that are its operational arm that have previously

2:19:39 attack and kill the americans and and high-level interest and continue to try to do that that's fine but that's not what they you have says you can't you can uh... you can't you can't what i'm saying is we made need new authority but don't if you expand this to the extent that you have its meaningless and it and the limitation and the war powers meaningless i'm i'm not disagreeing that we need to attack terrorism wherever it comes from and where whoever's doing it But what I'm saying is, let's do it in a constitutional way, not by putting a gloss on the document that clearly won't support it. It just doesn't work. I'm just reading the words. It's all focused on September 11 and who was involved. And you guys have invented this term, associated forces, that's nowhere in this document.

2:20:31 As I mentioned in your written statement, you use that, that's the key term. You use it 13 times. It's the justification for everything and it renders the war powers of the Congress null and void. I don't understand. I mean, I do understand you're saying we don't need any change because of the way you read it. You can do anything. But why not come back to us and say, yes, you're correct, that this is an overbroad reading that renders the war powers of the Congress a nullity, therefore we need new authorization to respond to the new situation. I don't understand why... I mean, I do understand it because the way you read it is there's no limit. But that's not what the Constitution contemplates. Oh, he's new, isn't he?

2:21:19 Yeah, he's a new guy. Yeah, and new guy doesn't quite know how it works yet. So he's gonna get a little talking to a new guy. Well, he's in Japan so nobody can talk. Oh, no, but he no, no, no, no, he'll get a talking to hey new guy. You see this office? Okay, so this will burn with you in it. So new guy, shut up. Yeah, no, he's gonna get a talking to. Yeah, I actually enjoyed listening to all of that. It's fun to hear a new guy come in and try to be constitutional. What do you think, John? Do you think that this

2:21:56 You know, we had that poll that said that 29% of Americans feel that somewhere in the future an armed revolt will be necessary to bring America back to where it is. Is that what we're going to have to see? Is that what we're going to have to go? Or do we just or would we rather just starve to death and go through those hardships before we figure it out? Which way do you think is best? Or is there an alternative way? I don't like any of it. No, is there an alternative way? Well, we could elect somebody that's not corrupt. I don't know. I have no idea. All I know is I'm watching the ship go down helplessly. Hey look, the ship is sinking! Hey, let's party! Pop the bubbly. I wanted to talk briefly about Syria.

2:22:43 As the proxy war is now in full effect and I want to put it into a bit of perspective because all of this does kind of tie together, including Benghazi. Very important to understand what happened there besides the botch kidnapping, which got the ambassador raped, then killed. And I put in the show notes For those of you who might have forgotten, there was a lot of Middle Eastern press reported on how for hours before he was dead and after he was dead, the ambassador was sodomized.

2:23:23 in the streets of Benghazi. It's really quite horrible that no one is bringing that up and I guess we can't talk about that or whatever it is. That just tells me that the whole thing is one big facade and all these guys who are pretending to care really don't give a rat's ass. But what was also taking place there was a deal of arms to be shipped to Turkey and from Turkey being shipped down into Syria because of course, you know, we couldn't be caught actually handing our our weapons directly to Al-Qaeda. And this is the funny thing. There's a great article What was it it was like Obama now Al-Qaeda in chief or something. Let me see if I can find it. It was very funny.

2:24:09 And this article is actually circling around everyone in the armed forces. It's like kind of gone viral and everyone's laughing about it because it talks about Obama being in charge of Al Qaeda now, essentially. When you look at it, it kind of seems that way. We had Ambassador Ford had a secret meeting with the opposition, with Al-Nusra in Syria. And this is no secret actually. I mean, it is documented. It's just not really reported on. And this happened about three weeks, yeah, actually May 9th. And Al-Nusra, one month ago, the leader of Al-Nusra, which is kind of weird how this work was determined,

2:25:03 to be a terrorist, here it is, the matter of the designation of Abu Muhammad Al-Jawlani, also known as Al-Fatih, also known as Abu Muhammad Al-Ghulani, is now a specially designated global terrorist pursuant to section 1b of executive order 13224, which is an old Bush executive order. So first they make the guy who they have a meeting with, they make him who is the head of al-Nusra, who pledged allegiance to al-Zawahiri, who was the number two guy, I guess now arguably the number one guy of al-Qaeda. And they have a meeting with him and now they give them the oil fields. And unjustly so, there's reporting, and this kind of made me laugh,

2:25:51 Reporting that they have set up and you and John you understand how this works better than I do they're saying that the Al-Nusra and the and now the the rebels Have the the oil pipelines, but they they don't really focus too much in the pipelines Which is of course where I'm focused they talk about them setting up makeshift oil refineries is this I mean I know a refinery cost yeah, exactly a refinery cost like three billion dollars and You can't set up a makeshift refinery, can you? No. That makes no sense, right? I mean, if you've had another refinery, I mean, they rated that other place. I mean, if you go grab all the distillation towers and cracking facilities and all these things you need, and then you have to put them together so they actually make sense. To do a makeshift refinery, you can do a small refinery.

2:26:38 but none of it could be makeshift. This doesn't make any sense at all. I'm trying to... And you need engineers to put the thing to make it work. Yeah, let me see if I can find this article because I read that and I'm like... That makes no sense. We got a couple drums, and we're gonna hook them together, and we got a pot of boiling oil, and then we can take and run the boil off, and then we can take the bottom and put in the tank. That's kind of how it sounded. Now we're boiling it here in the desert. and burning it, yeah we're burning, boiling it. I don't know, it doesn't make shit for you. Here it is, this is in the Guardian. Now you've got to look at this. Google EU decision to lift Syrian oil sanctions and there's a picture

2:27:31 In the Guardian has a picture and the caption under the picture says, a makeshift oil refinery site at Al Mansoura village and they got like a big vat of oil with smoke coming out of it. Wait, wait, wait, EU decision to lift what? Syrian oil sanctions boosts jihadist groups. You probably won't need that. You just need the Syrian oil sanctions. The Guardian? Yeah. Do you see the picture? I'm just getting there now. There's a... What? Tell me this is nuts right? Yeah, this is just a picture of a burning barrel or something. And there's a bunch of barrels all over the place. This is a makeshift oil refinery? That's what they're saying. This is a joke! And what's the Guardian? And then they show plume of smoke, yeah.

2:28:24 I thought it was like wow that makes no sense so this is of course not an oil refinery I'm sure I know how they could rationalize this if you criticize them and say well this is the makeshift oil refinery site. We haven't actually built the refinery yet. Oh we just burn an oil here to market. Burn an oil in a bunch of barrels for some unknown reason. So the couple things... Wait, wait, let me get ready, I gotta read this. As a result of the rush to make quick money, open air refineries have been set up in Deir Ezzor and El Raka provinces. Crude is stored in ditches. and heated in metal tanks by wood fires, shrouding the region with plumes of black smoke, exposing the local population to the dangers of the thick smoke and the frequent explosions at the improvised plants. Heating oil, diesel and petrol is condensed in hoses running from the tanks through pools of water and sold acro... Oh, this is bull crap! Thank you. So what this is, is cover for capture of the pipelines.

2:29:30 And this and so I hate to bring it back to pipelines, but this is what I see going on. So we have the Russians now with submarines in the Mediterranean. They're being engaged. We have Erdogan, the president of Turkey. Obama brings him in, gives him hookers and blow like dude come on by we'll hang out you and me, Michelle, you and your wife, we'll get the kids, we'll get the kids, everyone's doing everyone's party, we got you know we got some musicians, we'll bring some people in, we got you know a little bring Taylor Swift, whatever we'll do. Because you're our buddy, because right now I think we are in a huge proxy war with Russia and it makes a lot of sense when you see some of the stories surrounding this. Because the Russians, now again, Europe needs gas, Russia is their number one supplier.

2:30:22 Israel right now has this huge Leviathan field. We've already cleared the way for the ownership of the piping, the refining and everything through Cyprus into Greece. From Greece it can go straight into all of Europe. That's completely clear. This is what it's all about. And Turkey is still the, they are the main hub for all things Gazprom, all things Russian oil. Yeah, they're trying to bring some stuff in from Baku up on the north, but we cannot have Syria. Syria, it's not, because Syria has no oil to speak of. No one gives a crap about Syrian oil. Where do you have the Syrian oil gas station? That's bull crap. They are a conduit.

2:31:05 a conduit for pipes coming all the way across into that harbor owned by Russia. And it was always Russians, Russia's intent to have all of their gas flowing up. And, you know, obviously we have some interesting paths now and they've been trying to do deals with the Israelis that have been hanging out there. But now we've got warships. But one thing certain, this is a war against American interest for sure. This is why I got a couple of clips here. We have Russia embarrassing us with with outing our our our spies you know so they just outed the head of the CIA of course but this is it's they could do anytime they want it's just to embarrass us

2:31:54 In fact, listen to this. This is Erin Burnett and she's got the CIA guy Bob Bair on. And I know exactly what happened here by the way. That's just silly. Which makes me wonder if the Russians didn't plant all of this, which they could have. And also Erin, you don't recruit in Russia. It's too dangerous because the KGB is always sending people into the CIA, fake volunteers, we call them dangles. simply to compromise us. So, you know, what I'm worried about is this is just indicative of bad relations with Moscow. Exactly. And let me tell you about this guy with the wig on. He was cruising for gays in the park with a wig on. That's what that's the they just all get the get the gay guy out of the park and embarrass America with that.

2:32:43 That's what the Whig was about. He was not undercover. He had 500 euro notes to pay for blowjobs. I know this. Listen, I had this on pretty high authority when it went down there. So they show this guy with all the press around and oh look he's got the crazy wig on, little tube smoker. And then we have our own version of embarrassing the Russians. Learn more about the Tsarnaev brothers. Interestingly that always comes through Aaron Burnett's CFR member. Connections to Chechnya and Kazakhstan. There is another terror case with ties to Uzbekistan. A 30 year old

2:33:18 30 year old Uzbek national appeared in a US court today on federal terrorism charges. Foslodin Karbanov, a Russian speaking truck driver, is accused of teaching people in Idaho to build bombs that could blow up a public transportation system. How do you blow up a public transportation system? In Idaho! In Idaho, yo, there's so much public transportation there. Idaho so this is just tit-for-tat this is you know oh you okay what you're gonna out our guy over there but they literally outed the gay guy I don't know about the station chief but of course he's in the embassy of course everyone knows who he is this is just back and forth and it has to stop it really has to stop and it will this will be fought in the Mediterranean it'll be fought over Syria and the

2:34:07 Really? I think we're losing this. I think the and let's just take a real pro-US perspective for a moment. We have alienated the Israelis who have the gas right there. They've got the whole thing going on. Hillary is on a whole different track. You know, she's been trying to get it all done through the Balkans and up through Baku. She's kind of old school with the old school Texas guys, actually. But Nobel Energy, who's got Cyprus and they're good to go, they've completely screwed all of this up. The Russians, they've got submarines now in the Mediterranean. Subs! In the water! They're not going to take this. Vladimir Putin, have you seen this dude? Have you seen his pecs?

2:34:57 Yeah, he's out there, he's on horses, he's flying ultralights, they try to blow him up. He's like, haha, I laugh at you trying to blow me up. He walks away. This guy's serious business. And we're not doing a good job. We are really pussyfooting around this and just taking it from the perspective of, okay, we might as well have dominance and let's go for it. This president needs to go for it and he needs to go pretty damn quick But he doesn't want it, you see. He wants legacies of saving the Earth. You can't walk that line. This is why he's in so much trouble.

2:35:36 and this will continue but tears will come as my mother would say. Who knows who's behind all these scandals all at once. I mean it's possible that this is like the shadow government. Get him out, get someone in who can do the job. Get him to quit, find a really good scandal he can't deal with. The Associated Press ones should turn the media against him. Yes. If it works right. Well, it's kind of. It's a little bit. Okay, well that's that's an interesting theory that is real tinfoil hat stuff. I like it that the shadow government If I so it's what Ron Paul said he said the CIA took over the United States in 68 true that so if you and I were CIA running the shadow government What would our plan be we can play this we can do this better than as good as anybody?

2:36:29 Well, we have to do some set-ups, so in other words, we have to create some traps. We need a warrior. We need a trap to get Obama to do something that could be considered illegal. that we did then they can throw all the then you can take all your you know you got all the stuff back that you have a bunch of reports you have all the books ready to go with things already pre-written you got you have a whole and you have a team of people that are can be re-pre writing a bunch of anti-Obama material they can throw at him and it would have to happen pretty soon but you know most of the stuff's are probably already done to just kind of destroy his credibility make him a little nutty I mean he has he's been pretty good at not

2:37:11 being super flustered like Nixon freaked he went nuts when they went after him and we know from that Bush book, what was the name of that? The Family of Secrets? The whole Watergate thing looks to be a setup to drive Nixon crazy. It wasn't, you know, you had these screwballs, the guy's screwing it up, they're leaving tape on the doors, all these non-professional kinds of mistakes were made. Very interesting section of that book by the way, which makes Nixon look like he had nothing to do with Watergate, but he got swept up in it like an idiot. Well it's possible that something like that could be done and this again is a 40 year cycle. These old tricks can be used again on the same in the same way they could be used on Obama. No one would remember the old days and I don't know it's definitely great for the show. Yeah no doubt about it but who so I think that they probably Petraeus was in play and Petraeus was I think he truly was supposed to be president

2:38:11 and still may be the guy that they want to run for president. That'd be hard now. I don't think so. Obama did coke, smoked weed. Yeah, but Patrasche is also a snotty character when he comes in front of the camera. He's not likable. Romney had the same problem. True, true. The telegenic aspects of Romney and Petraeus are very similar. He rubs you the wrong way when you watch him. Okay, well I'm sorry. Obama's got that beautiful smile. Really, why am I even saying this? I'm an idiot. I'm so stupid. I'm sorry. The answer is obvious. The next Republican president is Hillary Clinton.

2:38:55 Because, you know, she'll run as a Democrat, of course. Yeah, well, Bill was a Republican as far as I can tell. But she is, she is the one to do it. She is the one to do it. She's a kick-ass. She is a take it and take it name. She makes a Lindsey Graham look like a wimp. I take that back, he is a wimp. Her dick is five times bigger than mine. I know this will be interesting. If you're gonna go after Obama, it has to be now. Why now? Well, because it goes over, because it got all this stuff. There's four scandals going on right now. You can't let these all blow over and try to rebuild a bunch of scandals.

2:39:39 It's just, he'll be seen as another Teflon president that nothing will stick to. It's like Reagan was similar to that. And so they got to, this is the moment. You got all these things at once. You got the AP thing, you got the, you got the, you got a bunch of stuff going on. You got the IRS deal. You got a bunch of things going on at once. and maybe he can distract the IRS thing by putting it on the Republicans but there's things going on and he doesn't seem to be uh... so they gotta make him cry is what you're saying yeah they gotta do something they gotta make him cry and say well I'll just quit you can also suspect that you know you can also drug somebody

2:40:17 and it comes on and next thing you know there's something hits him right in the middle of a speech. Now can I say something? He starts talking like a madman. Dude, dude. That would be very effective. Let me say something. Now watch the president. Wow, this is funny you say this. He has been talking with his head cocked to the right. Like his neck hurts or something. Have you noticed this? No. Watch him. I'll look at it now. You watch him. His head is continuously cocked to the right when he's talking. Now he'll twist to the teleprompter, you know he goes from left to right and it's not really apparent but when he's answering questions his head is, that's when you really see it.

2:41:02 or at least from the camera angle that I saw, his head is cocked to the right. And I'm thinking, wow, does he have like a stiff neck or something? There could be something wrong. And regardless of whether I mean of course it would be hilarious if in the middle of some speech he just went like one of those maybe remember they were testing that on the TV reporters where they just like start talking backwards? Wouldn't that be hilarious? We discussed this in detail a couple years ago and it was going on for a long period of time then those stories kind of ended. Yeah. You might be right that may have been a testing of some sort of drug. Or beam.

2:41:40 Well, hold on. So it started with the girl who was at the Grammys. I have the, here's the video. What was her name? Serene Branson? I think her name was. Kerrigan? No, what was her name? Let's see if I can find it here. This was the Grammys and two... ...new details this morning about that Los Angeles television reporter who suddenly began slurring her speech and speaking gibberish in her report on the Grammys. The video of Serene Branson quickly went viral and Andrea Kenny has a lot more on this medical mystery and Andrea anyone who's done live TV can sympathize with Serene but right away this seemed to be something far more serious. Come on, where's the video? Yeah, it makes me break out into a cold sweat just watching it but it does seem to be... Here it is, let's do it here, here we go. Come on YouTube, play. Well a very very heavy, uh, heavy di-dirtation tonight. We had a very deris- derison... bite, let's go to Terris- Terris English for a bit to have the pain.

2:42:38 That's it! Put it in the book! That has been forgotten by most people. Not by me, baby! Put it in the book. This is a possibility because no one's gonna make the association that, well, they tested this already on a bunch of these news anchors who have to be on their toes and they're always reading from a prompter. And, uh, yeah, that can happen. That would be... that would be dynamite. What do you think happened to her? Serene Branson. Okay. This is... I wonder what happened. Do you think she's... is she dead? Did she leave the profession? Did she... let's see... Serene Branson. I don't think there's a lot of news about our friend Serene. I think she's, uh, off the map. Let me see.

2:43:36 I'll just do a quick scan. I'll have to look into this more. I don't see anything. She's just gone. She's just gone. Gone from the landscape. And then it happened again, but that was... and it made so much sense for it to happen there. She has a LinkedIn profile. Oh, good work. I can go there and see what she's got. She's now a reporter fill-in anchor. Oh, yeah. You'll be our fill-in. You're our go-to gal for when everyone's dead. K-C-A-L. Yeah, yes. This is not what you want to hear. Yes, you're our first fill-in. Yeah, no, that's not really gonna work. She looks very much like Shannon Bream.

2:44:30 Anyway, okay, so that could happen that would be but of course then Joe Biden comes in I think that'd be great. I think it would be pretty funny Yeah, I think we know it would be like yeah, well is is Joe the kind of well, you know, I think he's totally malleable Yeah, he plays I would say Joe finds the guy who not only plays ball, but would say it as I play ball Oh, yeah, hey, I play ball just so you know give me some of them hot babes When he did you know what he'd be a great president he would be hilarious think about it doesn't he look good He could like never would good-looking guy. He's a looking guy, but he could he could say like remember Fox remember when in

2:45:23 What was the movie we talked about? Remember Deliverance? When they got man- man raped? Man raped, you know, raped man raped? Yeah, well, no one's man raping Joe Biden. He would be fantastic. He would go up there and say, I'm gonna go man rape Bashir al-Assad myself. Whatever it takes, boys. I think he's the man. Joe's the guy to beat. And it would be great because he can run it for a couple of years, you know, easy in, and then be like, alright, I did my job. He's such an egomaniac, he'd have to run. No, no, no, no, no. I think he's going to run anyway. No, he would run for vice president with Hillary. I'm telling you. I think I'm going back to vice president. It's a great job. I'm telling you, that'd rock. Of course, he just wants to hang out. Well, I'm excited now. The future is fantastic.

2:46:23 Keep your eye on the cock head. I mean that in a sincere way, of course. If you enjoyed any of this analysis here on the program today, while you're listening in the car, while you're making dinner, while you're at work, hopefully your work isn't so horrible that you have to entertain yourself listening to us, but it's possible. And if you're young, remember, you are the new blacksmith. You are the new carpenter. You must get the gimp. Get into 3D modeling. Understand how this stuff works. New communities will be formed around you. And you'll be working with the local doctor to build pieces and parts. We can go around all of this. Every- This is my name- This will be my new book. The book is titled, Get the Gimp. Coming to you from the Travis Heights hideout.

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