Snowquestration

00:00 It is my fault and I feel bad now. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Thursday, March 7th, 2013. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 4, Niner 3. This is no agenda. Welcoming a million new people to town coming to you from Travis Heights hideouts at the intersection of MoFo and SoCo in the capital of the drone star state in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where hey what happened to my filibuster I'm John C. DeVore It's Crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning You didn't actually watch that did you yeah, you really you watch the whole filibuster now Oh, you don't watch the whole thing you go in and out. Yeah, I'm just talking now back and forth I do have the best flip of the filibuster. No okay hold on a second All right, what is it?

00:53 Paul N. Zvillabush. ...situation that we will obey the Constitution, that the Fifth Amendment does apply to all Americans and there aren't exceptions. But I thank you very much for the forbearance and I yield the floor. There will be order expressions of approval or disapproval are not permitted in the Senate. Right, all right, okay. Now we have many European, Euro land, Asian, Middle Eastern, Australian, Asia Pacific, Oceania,

01:32 uh... listeners and i think this means as i have a few i think it needs some explanation what exactly happened here and then i of course have a uh... a take on this uh... what is the uh... philip was all i'll explain the the reason why happen i think you need to explain the filibuster itself uh... so uh... ran paul i had sent a letter to eric holder our highest judicial uh... official in the land I guess in government, because above that of course is the Supreme Court. And he said, and I'm paraphrasing, I have the actual letter here and Holder's response, is it legal under the Constitution, is it constitutionally legal for an American to be droned on American soil if he is not posing an imminent threat, i.e. if he's not like, you know, holding a hand grenade about to chuck it towards the White House?

02:26 And the answer that came back was not entirely clear enough. So Senator Paul then, in order to stop the confirmation of John O. Brennan as CIA director, which I think that by itself is a good thing because John Brennan is the devil. And once he gets his hands in on the CIA, we're all in big trouble. But in order to stop that confirmation process, Rand Paul started the filibuster. Maybe you can explain what this is, John. Well, filibuster is a senator getting a hold of the floor under the circumstances where he can't be stopped from talking. And as long as he stays standing up and

03:15 keeps talking he can just stay on the floor as long as he wants so he began and which means he's just holding the Senate hostage right so he started yacking away and I think he went for about 12 hours with some help because other people would come in now you can tag team right you can you can go over yeah you can you can actually tag team in and out if you can get some guy to get the floor I think has been the other party because I think does he have to have the same wrestling mask In whatever the case is, he could only sustain this and then he quit. After 12 hours and it made it was kind of like an event, but the joke is of course that this is the Senate nobody was there anyway Because it was a snow day in Washington so they all took off right and so he and and it wasn't the Day of the vote I think they were actually take it back my understanding is they may have tried to ramrod the vote through the approval with with a small number of people there and

04:14 And so he took over the whole thing until they, you know, he quit and then they closed the session which will reopen I guess on Monday. Well I have a take on this. It's actually a protest move. It is a protest move. It's been done before. It used to be very, very popular in the 1800s to do this. In fact to the point where the House of Representatives banned the practice in 1840. So, the way the mainstream media picked up on this, I'm not sure if it was completely by surprise or not. I loved how it was being downplayed, but I think on purpose. Here's Miss Burnett.

04:53 Some call her Erin Burnett, but we like to call her Burnett here in Texas. And she decided to really downplay what the whole thing was about, which of course is about droning American citizens on American soil. And she decided to bring in the celebrity and piss angle. situation happening right now in the US Senate. Aaron, what do you think? It's wild! It's never happened before. It's wild! Seven hours and I think we're five or six minutes now, Kate and Wolf. Pretty incredible that Rand Paul has been filibustering the nomination for the new CIA chief and he's been doing it for a very serious reason. He says that this administration has not categorically said it will not use drones to kill Americans on American soil but one thing that's interesting about this is seven

05:39 hours and five minutes and counting and Rand Paul has not taken a bathroom break. Yes, I know that this thing seems small but that to me seemed to be a pretty significant part of the story. He has had... That's a big part of the story, John. This is a very, very big part of the story. Some real... He's been sticking with it today. So he is scheduled to be our guest at the top of the hour. Now, how can we distract people even more from the conversation besides talking about urine? We'll see if he will come out from that filibuster and talk to us. And also in tonight's essay we're going to be talking about Taylor Swift versus Tina Fey and Amy Poehler. Perfect! Now that's what I call news. That's what I call fantastic. That's how you do it. First you talk about urination and then you bring in some celebrities. Fantastic. So of course I, you know, I see this happening and I'm listening to a lot of the statements that are being made and well actually here is

06:36 kind of a rundown that talks about the letter from Eric Holder which apparently prompted this filibuster. This is Brolf talking to Brolf Witzer there on the CNNs, talking to his experts about this particular situation. Hold on for a second, Chris, because I want to bring Jeffrey Toobin into this conversation. Jeff, if it's okay, if it's legal for a U.S. drone to kill an American citizen on foreign soil, whether in Yemen or Somalia or Afghanistan, someplace else, what's the difference between using a U.S. drone to target an assassination of an American citizen on U.S. soil?

07:21 Well, it is a different situation. The federal government has more limited powers under the Constitution within the United States, but it still has a lot of powers here. And if you had a national security situation with that with tremendous urgency along the lines of Pearl Harbor or 9-11 you could see a situation where the drone like a fighter plane like a very powerful gun could be used in the United States. Now this is very interesting to me because the one thing that no one is discussing is posse commentatus

07:58 I have not heard the phrase, I didn't hear it at any time during the filibuster because that is essentially if you read the holder letter and these guys will get to it in this little back and forth. He specifically states, the question you have posed is entirely hypothetical. unlikely to occur and one we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the president to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. That to me is the key of this conversation and I think Rand Paul is either misguided or perhaps he is purposely misguiding everyone's attention to the drones. Where we're really talking about using military force

08:54 boots on the ground in the US to kill someone. Now whether that's a drone in the sky or whether that's an actual uniformed marine or some other armed forces personnel, we have very specific laws about that. Is posse comitatus, is that an act that is not necessarily part of the Constitution? What part of the Constitution, John you as a constitutional scholar, would prohibit lethal force by the military within the territory of the United States. I think it's in there somewhere. I don't have the Constitution in front of me. What?

09:31 I don't have the Constitution in front of me, but our military cannot be used as a police force in the United States. There would be a national government. It's not the way the thing works. Well, the President here says, for example... That's what the National Guard is for, by the way. Ah, well here it is. For example, in his letter he says, the President could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7th, 1941 and September 11th, 2001. So what the Attorney General is saying

10:11 is that there are circumstances where the president could authorize military force in the homeland. But you're saying that is constitutionally incorrect. The structure is set up so the National Guard is the operation that works with inside the borders. And I think over the years, and I think what's been overlooked here, and you may be overlooking it, I think everyone's kind of assuming that the National Guard, ever since they've been appropriated by George Bush to go fight overseas,

10:48 It's assumed, I think, that the National Guard is part of the military complex in the same way that the Army and the Navy and the Air Force and the Marines are, when they're not. So this is, indeed? I think this is just a whole redefinition of the way the whole structure of the country works. Well, I'm glad you used that word because coming through on the Federal Register, I've held it now for three shows. This was February 28th, 2013. There was a proposed change in the definition of contingency operation and I didn't quite know what to do with it and now I think I do. DoD, GSA and NASA are publishing an interim rule amending the FAR to revise the definition of contingency operation.

11:38 In accordance with the statutory change to the definition made by paragraph B, section 515 of the National Defense Authorization Act 2012, enacted December 31st, the definition of contingency operation was embedded by adding, and now it comes a whole bunch of legal mumbo-bumbo, jumbo, blah blah blah entitled authority to order army reserve, navy reserve, marine corps reserve and air force reserve to active duty to provide assistance in response to a major disaster or emergency. Amends chapter 1209 of title 10 by incorporating new provisions providing for treatment of an operation as a contingency operation

12:23 when the Secretary of Defense activates reserves under the terms in response to a governor's request for federal assistance in response to a major disaster or emergency declared by the president. And we've looked at this organization, the club of governors that all of us remember that legislation came together. There was like this governor's club that the president put together. Yeah. So here it is. You are absolutely right. We now have a change in definition that a governor can say, uh, Prez, we got an emergency here. Bring in the troops. And then all these reserves can be turned to active personnel on US soil, therefore completely legal. And of course, if it's the Air Force, then you can be droned. So it seems like kind of a setup. And to me, I think Rand Paul

13:18 is only in it to distract. I think he's posturing. Well, I think he's the whole thing. If he had gone for the record like an American would do in a competitive world, instead of bailing out at 1230 at night or whatever it was. I would have had a little more respect for this filibuster, but instead he claimed he had to take a crap or something. He had to pee, go on Aaron Burnett show. Well he had already supposedly peed according to all the experts because he'd given the floor over to one guy. And that's when he went. Yeah, and then he ran out. And by the way, every time he kind of

14:00 Went off camera, he seemed to have been going to his nose a lot. Oh really? You think he was on the dust? Well, I mean, it's just like it was even JC noticed that he says, you know, this is like all of a sudden you come back and then he'd be sniffing. I had a kid. Right. Oh, wow. I'll have you know, you know who can spot a lot faster for you know, who can spot this a mile away as Miss Mickey. She's coming from the Amsterdam nightlife. I'll ask her. Now, the thing that got me, John, is on C-SPAN three. While this was taking place on C-SPAN two, The Attorney General was factually being questioned about this very issue and he said, although it took three minutes,

14:46 He said, no, there's no constitutional reason that this could ever happen. And it was, I mean, this is like only a couple hours into this whole bull crap thing that Rand Paul was doing. The answer was on the other C-SPAN. You want to hear it? I mean, he... Yeah. No, that was brought up on the floor by, I think, Ted Cruz, who was very... Yeah, well, Ted Cruz is asking the questions. Well, that's funny because Ted Cruz then comes waltzing into the Senate and he tells this whole story about what the clip you're gonna play Ted Cruz Discussed in great detail. So we hear what Ted Cruz said first or do you have that or not? No, I don't I didn't bother cuz I Had a lot of these clips are all boring because the one of the problems especially with Cruz

15:36 Cruz and these other guys since it was a filibuster they all talked like this. So what was the essence? What was the essence of what Cruz said? The essence was he asked them a question, says it's not appropriate. He asked them a question, says it's not appropriate. He wouldn't answer the question. Oh wow. And then he said, then he says finally the fourth time we asked him he said no finally. Well I guess we don't have to play the clip then because that's exactly what happened. Yeah, no, he discussed it in detail. So then, but then I'd like to hear it. I didn't hear it. All I heard was him telling us. In the top of drones in your response to Senator Paul yesterday, you suggested there may well be circumstances in which it is permissible to use drones to target a US citizen on US soil. I'd like to explore those, those circumstances. And in particular, you pointed to two, you pointed to Pearl Harbor,

14:46 He said, no, there's no constitutional reason that this could ever happen. And it was, I mean, this is like only a couple hours into this whole bull crap thing that Rand Paul was doing. The answer was on the other C-SPAN. You want to hear it? I mean, he... Yeah. No, that was brought up on the floor by, I think, Ted Cruz, who was very... Yeah, well, Ted Cruz is asking the questions. Well, that's funny because Ted Cruz then comes waltzing into the Senate and he tells this whole story about what the clip you're gonna play Ted Cruz Discussed in great detail. So we hear what Ted Cruz said first or do you have that or not? No, I don't I didn't bother cuz I Had a lot of these clips are all boring because the one of the problems especially with Cruz

15:36 Cruz and these other guys since it was a filibuster they all talked like this. So what was the essence? What was the essence of what Cruz said? The essence was he asked them a question, says it's not appropriate. He asked them a question, says it's not appropriate. He wouldn't answer the question. Oh wow. And then he said, then he says finally the fourth time we asked him he said no finally. Well I guess we don't have to play the clip then because that's exactly what happened. Yeah, no, he discussed it in detail. So then, but then I'd like to hear it. I didn't hear it. All I heard was him telling us. In the top of drones in your response to Senator Paul yesterday, you suggested there may well be circumstances in which it is permissible to use drones to target a US citizen on US soil. I'd like to explore those, those circumstances. And in particular, you pointed to two, you pointed to Pearl Harbor,

16:31 and 9-11, both of which were extreme military attacks on the homeland. I want to ask a more specific question. If an individual is sitting quietly at a cafe in the United States, in your legal judgment, does the Constitution allow a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil to be killed by a drone? for sitting in a cafe and having a cup of coffee if that individual is not... I love how he's such an a-hole because he understands the question very well but like most lawyers I know he has to he has to and by the way unfortunately as a government legislation analyst I start to do this myself and when my wife asks me something I'll be so specific I'll be like but you said specifically this

17:18 Oh, that's real pleasant at home. It's not pleasant, but I can't help it anymore because I'm trying to understand what people are saying and I've trained myself to become an a-hole like this holder. ...posing an imminent and immediate threat of death or bodily harm. Does the Constitution allow a drone to kill that individual? On the basis of what you said, I don't think you can arrest that person. The person is suspected to be a terrorist you have abundant evidence. He's a terrorist he was involved in terrorist plots, but at the moment Okay, I get it now now. I understand gone. He is sitting in a cafe overseas

17:56 The United States government uses drones to take out individuals when they're walking down a pathway when they're sitting at a cafe. If they're- if the- Which of course is cruel. I mean that- that's just a given everyone's okay with that. If a US citizen on US soil- It's like, yeah, how's that coffee, mofo? Incoming! It's not posing an immediate threat to life or bodily harm, does the Constitution allow a drone to kill that citizen? I would not think that that would be an appropriate use of any kind of lethal force. We would deal with that in the way that we typically deal with a situation like that. With all respect, General Holder, my question wasn't about appropriateness or prosecutorial discretion. It was a simple legal question.

18:38 Does the Constitution allow a US citizen on US soil who doesn't pose an imminent threat to be killed by the US government? I do not believe that... Again, you have to look at all of the facts, but on the facts that you have given me, and this is a hypothetical, I would not think that in that situation the use of a drone or lethal force would be appropriate because the possibility... General Holder, I have to tell you, I find it remarkable that in that hypothetical, which is deliberately very simple, you are unable to give a simple one word, one syllable answer, no. I think it is unequivocal.

19:18 that if the US government were to use a drone to take the life of a US citizen on US soil and that individual did not pose an imminent threat, that that would be a deprivation of life without due process. Well, let me be clear, I've not been clear. I said that the use of lethal force, and I'm not, I'm saying drones, guns, or whatever else would not be appropriate in that circumstance. You keep saying appropriate. My question isn't about propriety. My question is about whether something is constitutional or not. As Attorney General, you are the Chief Legal Officer of the United States. Do you have a legal judgment on whether it would be constitutional to kill a US citizen on US soil in those circumstances? I think that this is the first time he's really asked the question properly. A person who is not engaged as you've described, and this is the problem with hypotheticals.

20:07 but that is the part of the way in which you have described this person sitting at the cafe not doing anything uh... imminently the use of lethal force would not be appropriate would not be something that i find it remarkable that you still will not given opinion on the constitutionality let me move on to the next topic as we translate around and around let me be clear translate my appropriate to know i thought i was saying no all right now no no other than i am glad after after much Gymnastics, I am very glad to hear that it is the opinion of the Department of Justice that it would be unconstitutional to kill a US citizen on US soil if that individual did not pose an imminent threat. That statement has not been easily forthcoming. I wish you had given that statement in response to Senator Paul's letter asking you it. And I will point out that this week I will be introducing legislation in the Senate to make clear

20:59 that the US government cannot kill a US citizen on US soil, absent an imminent threat. And I hope based on that representation that the department will support that legislation. Well that's totally consistent with the letter that I sent to Senator Paul. I talked about 9-11 and Pearl Harbor. Those are the instances where I said it might possibly be considered, but that other than that we would look at, we would use our normal law enforcement authorities in order to resolve situations along those lines and then use the normal things that you do when you try to decide if cops can shoot somebody. General Huller, I'd like to... Yeah, which is a lie because that's not in his letter. But, you know, so this really, this could have stopped this whole grandstanding very early on because there is the answer. I mean, he gave the answer and I'm telling you,

21:45 Rand Paul is grandstanding and I believe that the you know that Petraeus is now being railroaded again for the torture you know torture teams over there in Iraq and Afghanistan and he's you know he's they call him P4 by the way I'm getting messages from our insiders P4 is the code name for Petraeus and he's being railroaded and I think that this is already, they're working on 2016, we need to get Petraeus out of the way and it is my belief Rand Paul will be the VP with Jeb Bush. He's setting himself up for this and I think a lot of people particularly in the so-called liberty movement, what you might call it, you're being duped by this guy. This guy is full of crap. I'm sorry. What we need to determine... Can I put that in the Red Book?

20:59 that the US government cannot kill a US citizen on US soil, absent an imminent threat. And I hope based on that representation that the department will support that legislation. Well that's totally consistent with the letter that I sent to Senator Paul. I talked about 9-11 and Pearl Harbor. Those are the instances where I said it might possibly be considered, but that other than that we would look at, we would use our normal law enforcement authorities in order to resolve situations along those lines and then use the normal things that you do when you try to decide if cops can shoot somebody. General Huller, I'd like to... Yeah, which is a lie because that's not in his letter. But, you know, so this really, this could have stopped this whole grandstanding very early on because there is the answer. I mean, he gave the answer and I'm telling you,

21:45 Rand Paul is grandstanding and I believe that the you know that Petraeus is now being railroaded again for the torture you know torture teams over there in Iraq and Afghanistan and he's you know he's they call him P4 by the way I'm getting messages from our insiders P4 is the code name for Petraeus and he's being railroaded and I think that this is already, they're working on 2016, we need to get Petraeus out of the way and it is my belief Rand Paul will be the VP with Jeb Bush. He's setting himself up for this and I think a lot of people particularly in the so-called liberty movement, what you might call it, you're being duped by this guy. This guy is full of crap. I'm sorry. What we need to determine... Can I put that in the Red Book?

22:38 Please do. Please do. Jeb Bush and Ron Paul. Rand. Rand Paul. I mean, yeah. Rand. Rand. Rand. And this whole drone thing, which of course we've been talking about for years, is now being used. It's It's being misused and all attention is being focused on the drone. Really what we're talking about is illegal search from the skies, you know, what is the legality of your privacy? This is really about privacy and the Fourth Amendment than anything else. But you're being distracted. And then of course we heard, oh, the Alitalia pilot saw a drone, he saw a drone coming in.

23:21 You heard about this? No, tell me. So is every... Google it, it's like Alitalia sees drone on final in the JFK. Oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, the airline, yeah. Supposedly there was a little drone flying around. Well, this is the point. Missed it by 200 feet? If you read the uh... if you read the news the headlines and if you listen to the headlines all drawn drawn by you think i got it is a fucking predator flying around but of course i went and i got the actual air traffic control tapes and i'd like to uh... propose that this was something else if it was anything at all uh... one eight zero knots radio finale, St. Louis Union Alpha, Charlie six zero uniform heavy maintain one eight zero knots for another three miles please, in favor okay, I'm turning to the left of the radio, St. Louis Union

24:07 Kennedy Tower, LH-60U, just for information, we just saw a little drone below us. We just saw a little drone? Like I saw a flying pizza? I'm sorry, what did you say? We saw a drone, a drone aircraft. Oh, sorry, LH-60U, roger, what else did you see that aircraft? About 1,500. Roger. Now, before I continue, if you have a Predator drone at 1,500 feet, You're noticing this. This is you know, this is like this is it would be like a Cessna times three You'd be like holy crap, you know, these are huge I mean, you know, this is not this the way this is portrayed it when you have to make a very clear distinction What a drone is I think there's some douchebag flying around with this quadcopter 1500 feet maybe a little too high for that

24:53 But there's more evidence that this was not a predator or a reaper or something like this and also no other pilot could see this. 4400 heavy, you are in a report of a drone on about a 5 miles final by the chop state you're following. So 5 miles out from the airport at 1500 feet, which is an estimation by the way by this Alitalia pilot who is not at 1500 feet, that there's a drone and now this is being reported as a drone! There's no classification even. 4400 heavy, copy that, report, thank you.

25:46 So he doesn't see anything. Yes, just because it was a crow. Exactly. This guy's this guy's 15 miles out breakup sorry 319, cleared for land. 319, Delta 13, 6K. And Delta 13, 6K, use caution, there was a report of a drone aircraft on about a 5 mile final, 1,500 feet. Oh yeah? Thank you. Lufthansa 400 Heavy, do you see that aircraft at all? Lufthansa 400, negative, we don't see anything here. Roger.

26:41 Alitalia, 60 uniform heavy, turn left to Whiskey. Alright, so no one sees it, but now comes the funny bit, because now I have the tower, I believe. And apparently someone has called the tower. Now, you don't hear this at all on the... Alitalia at no point describes this drone other than a tiny drone. But now all of a sudden the tower has a description of it. Which, by the way, the aircraft still can't see, and they're even joking about it now. Alitalia, 13-68, do you see any other aircraft out there? One on the runway. Which better get out of the way because I'm coming in. Now here it comes. It says call me when you get a chance because he's like, dude, you're not on board with the program. By the way, when the tower says call me when you get a chance, you're always in trouble.

27:33 You're always, you know, like, would you mind coming up after you land and come and see me here in the tower? I'm gonna ream your ass. I didn't know about the aircraft on the runway. Yeah, exactly. Like, dude, that's not, that was not the answer. About 20 minutes ago, 15-20 minutes ago of a drone aircraft, four propellers apparently, on about a six, five to six mile funnel, the freeway right to DCA. You said four propellers? Yeah, so four propellers means it was a quadcopter. Not four propellers like it's being like it's a huge Reaper which doesn't even have four. No, it's got one. This is a little quadcopter. That's what this is. But all of a sudden now he has a description of it. Yeah, where'd that come from? Not from Alitalia. Not the recordings that I have. So this whole, I mean, whereas we were very early on way up to speed and ahead of the curve. The real, here's just the final thing on these drones you have to understand.

28:32 You are not going to be drones by Reapers and you know hellfire shooting off of predators. Yes, there's you know, the blimps are up there. They're listening to you Yes, Department of Homeland Security specified as now released by die epic that they wanted their drones to be equipped in order to see if someone is armed and to track communications like duh big surprise no no it is the micro drones that can swarm that's what you got to be worried about and not from the United States this is the I don't understand why this conversation isn't taking place but if it's so easy to fly drones and get your quadcopters up and

29:14 It can be done by anyone. Corporations will be running the drones, not countries. If the government wants to get you, they'll get you. They want to kill you, they're not going to drone you. They'll just poison you, throw you in the hot tub. It's much easier, much cheaper, no hassle, no airline pilots talking about it. They give a little flu virus, make people sick. You know, this is, this is, the drone thing is overplayed. It is. And now it's become a distraction and Rand Paul... Yes, totally a distraction. I will, I do want to go back to the, to the filibuster because there was one comment by Ted Cruz that I think kind of was the funniest comment. It also summarized the whole thing and I think you don't have, if you listen to this, you don't have to listen to anything else. It is ironic.

29:57 that a Nobel Peace Prize winner won't guarantee that he won't use drones against Americans. Well, in fact, that is specifically not true. I like this Ted Cruz though. He's your senator. Is he from Tejas? Yes, he's the senator from Texas. Well, it's interesting because right after that he laid into holder about Fast and Furious That's a lot shorter if you want to hear that because he followed on right from there went into Fast and Furious and I think he caught Holder in this one.

30:36 Much attention is... Oh, cool. I have a catch too that somebody else pulled. All right, so here he is talking about Fast and Furious and that the White House declared executive privilege in the communications between the Department of Justice and the White House if they had any knowledge and here's where he does his lawyer bit and we'll point that out. ...on the Fast and Furious program and the tragic consequences of that. Was the White House involved? in any way whatsoever in decision-making concerning Fast and Furious. No. Okay, that's very clear. Not involved in the discussions on Fast and Furious. But now let's backpedal a little bit. Given that, last year, my understanding is you asserted executive privilege against handing over documents concerning Fast and Furious. Now, executive privilege, the Supreme Court has made clear, protects communications and advice with the President.

31:37 If the White House was not involved, executive privilege does not apply to those documents. If executive privilege applies to those documents, it necessarily implies that the White House and the President personally was involved. So which of the two is it, General Holder? No, you're cutting two final lines. The President, the White House was not involved in the operational component. The operational component. Oh, okay, now I understand. In other words, wait a minute, let me get this straight. So in other words, Obama himself was not handing guns to the gun runners.

32:25 After all the operative facts that occurred, please. Controversy, controversial actions had been taken. When then we got into the situation where we were talking about the congressional investigation of Fast and Furious, there were communications between the White House and the justices. So, but nothing... Do I understand you correctly? My time has expired, so I want to just understand your response correctly. Here it comes. Is it your position that executive privilege only applies After the details of Fast and Furious became public and it was with subsequent communications, but there is no executive privilege that is applicable before it becoming public because as you just said a minute ago, the White House was not involved in any way, shape or form with Fast and Furious. I think Cruz is a lawyer too by the way, but he's a really good one. He's slick. So he just laid some smack down here and Holder I think messes it up. Executive privilege protects communications between the White House and

33:18 and the executive branch agency, and to my knowledge there are no... Oh, to my knowledge! ...that deal with the operational components of Fast and Furious between the White House and the Justice Department. So executive privilege does not apply to them? There's nothing there for executive privilege to apply to, as best I know. As best I know, to my knowledge. Time to resign, dude. You gotta get out now. He should get out. It's time to go. Ted Cruz was born in Canada. Canada? So he can't run for the office of president. And he from Calgary as a matter of fact, the world of money is. Oh, right. But he went to Harvard and then Harvard Law School and Princeton. Oh, there you go. He's an elite. So he has his own agenda. He has his own guys.

34:05 Believe me. Apparently it doesn't include Holder. No, not on this not batting for the same team But but I I really I want to stress it I know I get a lot of hate mail when I say this, but I want to stress Rand Paul eyes may not be your friend. Let's not forget he endorsed Mitt Romney Come on, actually over his own father. Yes, so I haven't forgotten that yeah, and this is just this is just this is what you do This is the big show. This is the big big show and That's all that it is a big big big big show. Yeah, well we've had nothing but a big show But I think there's an interesting sound kind of a big show aspect of the of this current economic situation Here's a here's a you mean the sequestration

34:52 Yeah, or actually, if you want to hear it, play snow gag so we can get this one little gag out of the way. Okay, I have a couple of Seeker Restoration gags. First came snowpocalypse, then snowmageddon, and now just a few years later, perhaps the worst storm DC has ever seen in March. Snowquest. It is a major snowstorm hitting our area. Snow Quester. That by the way as far as I know did not catch on. The Snow Quester? No, no, no. But I caught a drunk Diane Sawyer. Oh I got a drunk one for you too. Okay so here's here's drunk Diane and so you know this the secret the Ryan sequestration is being used for many different things. One to scare the American public, it's mainly for political advantage, but the Obamas

35:42 They really have taken it to the next level, as Drunk Diane explains. And we have another change from Washington tonight, sure to provoke a big reaction. It is day two after the big budget cuts and the White House says they are going to save money by canceling White House tours. We regret to inform you that White House tours will be canceled effective Saturday, March 9, 2013, until further notice. The White House says they no longer have the staff to supervise the tours, just as spring break with its tidal wave of tourists draws near. So this is literally like... Wait, wait, hold on a second. This is the family that had like 50 Christmas trees in the White House, right? Yeah. Yes. No, but this is exactly... It's like, hey, I got a great idea. Heil, everybody! How you doing? White House meeting. I got a great idea. Let's get these... I hate it when the slaves come through my house.

36:33 I know! We'll tell them we can't do any more tours because of the sequestration. Yeah, I think that's exactly... Literally! It's literally! What an a-hole move! And what does it cost to get a couple interns to run people through the people's house? But no. No, no, no. Let's... I'm tired of these shitters and slaves walking around here. Let's just put it on the voicemail. I'm an answering machine. Make a virtual tour you guys and put it on the website. And then, and this was the best, ABC, they of course have been talking about the American economy vaporizing due to these cuts in increases in money.

37:16 Of course nothing's really happening. Oh yes, I'm sorry. The stock market is above 14,000. It's going crazy. New record. And so how are they going to explain this? Well, George Stephanopolous got his girls. But Biana, investors seem to be... Biana is her name, by the way. Biana. Biana. Hi, B... Oh, I just had a girl. What's her name? Biana? Uh, okay. But, but, but, Bianna, investors seem to be shrugging off any economic impact from the stalemate in Washington, those across-the-board spending cuts. Yeah, isn't that kind of sad? It was basically a- It's kind of sad. Sad? It's sad. What kind of analyst is this woman? It's Bianna. We anticipated that we were going to have these spending cuts, and as you saw,

38:00 for the beginning of the year, in anticipation of the fiscal cliff, you saw a lot of CEOs really rallying to Washington, politicians asking them to come up with some sort of resolve. You didn't really see that now. You're not seeing a huge effect on the economy. Economists are saying that we could have some sort of impact. It could slow economic growth, but not really bring us into another recession. No, not really anything, basically. It's so sad because, you know, we did our bit and it didn't happen. We did all this bull crap and nothing happened. Nothing happened. We didn't get any... They canceled tours of the White House. They closed the National Park up in Olympia. Oh really? They closed the park? That's just because they wanted a holiday. That's lame. Really? Yeah. I can't believe they did that. And then I have to bring up a touchy subject. You know, I typically, I'm always enamored by your advice.

39:00 Except on the topic of gold, I usually ignore your advice. And I also ignored your advice on selling my bitcoins. Oh, well, that was probably a... No, actually sell them. You can't sell them. That's the problem. Well, this is what I want to bring up. So I held on to... I don't have 300. I have 143 bitcoins. And we talked about this when it hit 33, which was a clear mark. And as of today, now they soared up past 48. Looks like they've dropped down a little bit. We're now around, let me see, 43. So maybe we've hit the peak. But let me finish my comment. I'm very worried, very, very worried about this because I wanted to cash some in. I'm like, all right, we're at 48. I'm going to go cash them in. So guess what?

39:57 The only way you can really cash it in is if you do a private sale with someone who you trust. Because all these other places, yeah, oh yeah, no, you can sell through PayPal and we'll send you the money on PayPal. But if it's not a scam, and a lot of them I think are, then it says, oh, well we only have limited funds, you can only sell two. to two bitcoins so I'm like uh all right I got all these bitcoins then I'm like oh the bitcoin store.com opened is that the store sucks I you know I'm like oh I'll buy it I'll buy a tablet there's no tablets there's no iPhones there's no candy

40:37 I can't buy it. We should cancel our Bitcoin initiatives. I just tell him I want to because I'm worried that I'm like I'm holding on to it because who knows I would know it would be lovely but until my landlady accepts Bitcoin I can't do this because I need money I need money now that I can give to my landlady and give to H e B right she be head you don't know what a chibi is Oh baby, you've never been to Texas. What's HEB? That's our supermarket. And I can't even give them away, if I could give them away at the farmers market, if I could give them bitcoins I'd do that. And then all of a sudden we got like, I think we got a little over 10 bitcoin.

41:21 That was your challenge and we went past the 10 mark. Yeah, just wasted our time. Well, we have the money but we can't. Please do. We don't have the money, that's the point. We have Bitcoin. So please get a Bitcoin address so I can send you your share and good luck because we can't I can't yeah, I mean Wordpress and what we cash them in and we'll put it in the bank. You can't cash them in well Then what good are they this is the point? It's like I've had people offer privately and and since there's no agenda listeners I trust them, but you know that's not This is not this is not good. It will take a long time when I

42:03 If we all move that way, I'm all for it, but right now we're in the... I can't risk it. I can't. I can't risk it. I personally, you may be able to, I cannot risk that we get a lot of money. I don't want bitcoins. I need money in the bank. It should be in a bank account. Yes, I mean, I'm so worried that money we're gonna get all of these like buying stocks or something's great So a broker goes to its client. He says you got to get some dynamo dynamo corporations unbelievable It's a penny a share by as much as I can and by the way by the way just with people in chatroom gold is different There's a there's a liquid market in gold. I can go anywhere and sell gold Why would anybody equate bitcoins to gold you can let me tell my joke guy says

42:48 penny a share, so I'll buy $10,000 worth. It calls him back the next day, says, the stock's up to a dime. He says, you already made 10 times, oh, but buy another $10,000 worth, you buy some more. Then he calls him back the week after, he says, the stock is at a buck. He says, holy crap, just here, here's another 10 grand, buy more. And then he calls him back the next week, says, the stock is now at 100. He says, okay, buy, take all my money and buy more Dynamo. The guy, the week later says the stock is at a thousand dollars a share and the guy says, okay, sell it. And the broker says, to who? Exactly. Exactly. And the chat room is going, they're calling me a fucking idiot now.

43:32 But you know what? I mean, I disagree. What are you even communicating with this nutbone? Tell the chat room that one of those boneheads should buy the bitcoins from you in cash, cash money, and you'll be done with it. And then they can call you an idiot all they want. Yeah. Well, you know, I've had a couple people offer... I mean, talk is cheap when it comes to this stuff. Yeah. No, I mean, it's a great virtual It's great for virtual stuff. How is it great? Because what is the actual cost of a WordPress account? What is the actual cost of it? It's just about what the Bitcoin is worth. Yeah, so when people do something and there's a finite universe of Bitcoins. What's great about the Bitcoin concept is you can go 16 behind the decimal. So you can expand this money supply in a different way just based upon the value.

44:29 Why is any of this good? Well, let me finish my thought. Just explain it to me. So in the virtual world where I need some hosting, someone else wants some porn, there's all these different things. It kind of works. It's just a barter system. It's a peg for a barter system. And I'm totally OK with that because we could also say, hey, you give me some hosting, I'll give you this. But you put a value on it, you get a number, and that's OK. I think a lot of people who have the bitcoins either earn them that way. I don't think a lot of people took money from their bank account and bought bitcoins. I don't think so. I'm not sure. But I think there's a lot of bartering, so it's a great online bartering measure. But for what I do, I don't need stuff from online. I need my house.

45:25 And if and until my landlady sees that you know the Bitcoin I would give her for the rent can be used for whatever she needs and we I mean it could happen but please stop with this like you know idiocy it's just it's it's going to make me it's gonna put me in the poorhouse if we start accepting Bitcoin for this show. This is what I live on. And you, MTGox and all this stuff. My account got hacked on MTGox. My password was passed out everywhere. You can't trust any of this crap. What's MTDox? MTGox is the exchange. MTGox? MTGOX.com. And you know, everyone's like, oh yeah, I'll buy a hundred from you. Yeah, but okay. You know? Send me a check.

46:17 Yeah, and and you know and and the PayPal scam works like this. All right, send me the Bitcoin They send you the PayPal and the next day they say to PayPal reverse that I didn't get what he promised me and then right in PayPal No, they're not gonna back you up but all people believe me I got I got like a huge amount of money in dollars in Bitcoin I can't exchange it anywhere. I can do two to love the two to two at bit bitpay and bit what was the other one? Is it two a day, two a month, two a year, two forever? That's all they had right now period. It's like oh yeah it just says you know I'm like all right let's get rid of half of them. I'm like 50 Bitcoin and by the way I got these when the Bitcoin was you know a buck you know so you know I don't feel rich because I can't do anything with this money except buy lots of hosting.

47:21 And I looked at like me up by Miss Mickey a great monitor for her, you know for a photography the Bitcoin stores the shitty monitors and then with the one she wants I don't know. I've also gotten some People from three-letter agencies telling me that there's something else something else up, but I don't know about that Maybe they're just dis info in me to keep me away from it. I So I'm all for it. I'm all for alternative currency, but I'm not I know you're not and I'm and I'm a little more on your side only because of a practical reason that I can't spend it except on crap that I don't need and then it's like oh you're not part of the community will the community please pay my rent? Oh actually the community does pay my rent. That's kind of cool

48:11 But I need it in PayPal. So, this reminds me of Beans. Do you remember that? Yes, the Beans. What Beans? B-E-A-N-C. Oh, Beans. Yeah. There was another one. I don't know if Beans was the Whoopi Goldberg one. Whoopi Goldberg was in Toronto. I think it was. Let's see. Beans. Yeah, let's check out Beans. Beans. Here at beans.com. I do remember this. It was the same problem. Online currency performing activities visiting shopping online or logging on to an internet service provider Ludicrous to me is this is like going not that I would know but this is like going to a strip joint and you'd go buy their money to give to the girls and then they have to cash it in and they get screwed in the deal

48:56 As opposed to you just give the girls the dollar. Flooz was the other one. Flooz. That's it. Flooz. Flooz. Let me see if flooz.com still exists. Let's see. Flooz.com. Let's see how that worked out. The beans management team raised $100 million from venture capitalists including... This is the kind of thing going on. Larry Ellison of Oracle, Francois Pinot of PPR, Vivendi Universal. What the hell are they thinking? Well, so this of course, this has nothing, I think what's happening here is because apparently no one owns it and there's a finite number, etc. That's why people believe in it. But I think that's a mistake. So Beans has changed into, welcome to Beans, the innovative multi-channel reward program. Oh, green stamps. SNH green stamps. Check that one out, people.

49:56 So let's do some predictions then. What is going to happen to the Bitcoin? It's going to become worthless. A collector's item as a coin, the ones that are available, the actual coins, because there are coins out there, those will be collectible and probably be worth about $10 as collectible coins. That's my prediction. $10? Yeah. I think they'll be worth less than a challenge coin from the No Agenda show. Now you're talking. That's for sure. Yeah. Interesting. Well, there's a lot of hatred when you question this. You're an idiot, you don't get it, you don't understand free market economics. Like what? You know, you're dumb. You don't understand free market economics. That's a classic. Hold on, you want to hear some comments? Yeah, yeah, read the comments. This is the kind of people that we have in the chat room for people out there who need to be forewarned.

50:55 And people don't believe me like Adam says he can't sell them. That's bullshit. It's not. Why would I lie about that? Why would I lie about it? I tried. I tried four different exchanges. One says, hey, give us your bank credentials and we'll log in for you. And to verify your account so we can put it... yeah, right, I'm gonna do that. That's a great idea. No. Yeah, is that the exchange in Nigeria perhaps? This was one that was recommended on the Bitcoin Wikipedia site. The top one actually. Alright, here's some... here's just some random... 21 comments actually. Okay. Here's number one. Is there any currency Curry won't grovel for? Okay, that's a good one.

51:42 People donated those bitcoins when they were an unproven experiment and practically worthless. Then you had the June 2011 bubble and subsequent crash. That was when the Bitcoin community needed you the most. Instead, you and Dvorak proceeded to diss the independent currency every time you got the chance to mention it. Bitcoin has been slowly regaining confidence throughout 2012, but not thanks to you. You can't expect Bitcoiners, this is now people are now Bitcoiners, to suddenly part with their BTC, especially knowing their upside potential. This sounds like a pump and dump. Having said that, you do have a healthy stash of bitcoins. If you believe there's even a small chance that Bitcoin will become a significant player in the currency commodity market, then the potential for price appreciation is mind-blowing.

52:32 A good strategy I've heard is to cash out 10% of your stash every time the price doubles. I'd like to! That way you'll never run out of BTC and at the same time you won't feel bad if one day the whole thing comes crumbling down. At least you got something out of it. Let me see what that's amazing you have a problem with people sharing common interest forming communities Bitcoins like Facebook. Yeah, I'll donate BTC once you've shown some understanding of the underlying principles I suggest you start by figuring out the meaning of salted password hashes Okay So what are the underlying principles then of Bitcoin lives at home? What are the underlying principles of Bitcoin?

53:17 What is that? What is the underlying... It's the same as the challenge coin. There's a limited number manufactured. They're given an arbitrary value and now they're on the open market. That's the underlying principles. There's nothing more in a collectible. I mean, it's not a species. It's not accepted for exchange on any international exchange. I can't exchange bitcoins for Chinese yuan or Japanese yen or even the dollar or even the Canadian dollar. Okay, here's what I'm going to do. I have an idea. I am going to divest, and this is, you can check this by the way, there's like, if you do Bitcoin address, you can see exactly how much Bitcoin someone has, which is so much for privacy. If you publish your Bitcoin address, then people can see how much Bitcoin you have, and I guess go and kill me for them. Seriously, if you go to blockchain.info, and you fill in the address that we used,

54:14 You can see how many transactions, total received, final balance. So this is great. This is fantastic. So I actually published this. It's associated with me. And now people will come in here, try and find the laptop that it's on, cut my throat for the Bitcoin. This is horrible. Where's the privacy in this? This is bullshit. This is really bullshit. Oh, by the way, to that one commenter who said that, you know, when the Bitcoin people needed your help, hey, we're a podcast, people. Whatever we say has zero influence on any market whatsoever. Who are you kidding? You're not a Bitcoiner, John. OK, so here's what I'm going to do. I will sell all of my bitcoins and the price is, um,

54:59 $50 per Bitcoin. So you're going about the wrong way. No, I'm not. If everyone is such a believer, it's a good deal because it's going to triple, quadruple. What's wrong about that? What am I supposed to do? Dump it for $35 a coin. Get rid of it. $50, no one's going to take that deal. $35, under market value, buy a lot. Do you think I can move the market? You can get rid of all the coins and you'll be in business. Do you think I can move the market? You're not going to move, no, there's 21 million bitcoins I believe. You're not going to move anything. No, but if all these people who are so big on bitcoin, why don't they just step up and... No, they're all full of crap. You haven't figured this out? No, this is what I... They're not going to buy any coins from you. This is what I want to... They're going to sit in the chat room and carp. This is what I want to prove. If you really believe in it, buy them from me for 50 bucks. Otherwise you're full of crap. Then why don't you get them in the open market cheaper? What kind of thinking is this?

55:58 It's a dump them. All right. I'm done with the Bitcoin. Let's talk about let's talk about real money No, you're not you're not dumping them because no one's gonna okay. I'm done. I'm done talking about it is what I said Let's talk about real money money that I can give to my landlady lovely Joyce is her name all right well we have four executive producers and nice or I'm sorry two executive producers and three actually sorry and two Associates and let me tell you who they are they came in this week for show 493 Sir gear Torquette Hagen who is one of our Knights? He's in Taipei. I didn't know that so anyway. He gave us $500 for the 500 anniversary He's adding it up to so it's up to 700 for his daughter's name hood the entire family are soon Knights except the wife and

56:53 And apparently the wife thinks the two of us are morons. And that's what... Chat room, obviously. Who is she in the chat? She's in the chat room. Why does Leo have such a highly regarded chat room and we... We have very stringent rules. You start pulling that crap that this chat room does and then, boop, the IP addresses are copied. They never get back in. Oh man. Very strict. Very, very strict. Very good. Basically have a bunch of communists in ours. Oh man. This is gonna be so much hate. And by the way, you'll get none of it. You're the most anti-Bitcoin person I know.

57:45 And yet I get all the crap just for being honest and not buying into the bullshit like everybody does. I'm all for it people, we'll take stakes, whatever. And by the way, this doesn't mean I believe the dollar is so fantastic. We all know how that works. That's another thing people confuse me with. Someone who cares about the dollar. Like, oh you love fiat money. Okay, Sir Dwayne Melanson. In Tigard, Oregon, or as I like to pronounce it, Tigard. He's like an ITM. Congrats on the milestone with this donation. I'm a seventh degree knight. By the way, these people get a executive producer for this show and show 500. Hell yeah, absolutely. Donating either 500 or 313.13. And we do a special page, right? There'll be a page and a, yeah.

58:38 I'm a seventh degree knight and hope to keep it going. We need to figure out what color shirts we can standardize on so it'd be easy for the drones to pick out the knights from the air. Bro, I think he's left. We're gonna be wearing this little tape. Tape, pins, and a brown shirt with an armband. You'll be perfect! Yeah, perfect. Go on a meeting and let us know what you decide. You bet. There you go, big ITM for you. Thank you so much. So it's Sir Gere and Sir Melathon both stepping it up and stepping in. Yeah, meanwhile I'm very concerned about our donations, the way they're going, which maybe we'll talk about at the break.

59:16 Philip Meason in Welshpool, Powell's UK 31313, the only one who came in with that donation I might add. Which is the magic number for our show 500-31313. It's been over a year since I first started listening to the best podcast in the universe and today I finally reached my knighthood. I really appreciate the effort you both put in. Wellmore Adam as John seems to show up on a Sunday and a Thursday to wing it. Smiley face. I think we, yeah I do. Your media assassination is both enlightening and entertaining through, though my paranoia has increased tenfold since starting to listen. Give yourself some karma for the upcoming show 500. I'll take a Dr. Kiki, one hell, hot milf and a

1:00:09 And I guess the karma for us. Then he thanks us profusely. Alright, there we go. Shut up already! Science has won Hotmail, baby. You've got karma. There you go. Thank you so much, Philip. Very nice. Love that 31313. Our big episode 500 falls on the 31st of March 2013. 31313 is the special donation amount for that. So and it said so and we have a newsletter and also the it's reflected in the Dvorak org slash and a page along with the Bitcoin number which brings us to Adam Levine who sent us or you like to your account which we have to close I donated five

1:00:55 Can you actually close it? Can you close that? Can you destroy your number? I don't know. You have to do something. The problem is we... Well, I'll tell you some other time. But anyway, he donated 5.000000033 bitcoins, which are worth $44.97. I'm sorry, no longer. They're now worth $42. So you're now... We're down. May have to recalculate him and drop him from the exact so he squeaks in at 210 okay anyway Thanks for exit. Thanks for accepting bitcoins. I'd like karma for my family and a vote for keeping the donation segment as short as possible Well, I certainly give you a karma for the family absolutely you've got karma and finally Judy Schwartz in the pleasant town of

1:01:51 Burn, Texas. I'm not familiar with the burn. I don't know if he's even spelled right anyway 200 bucks She says thanks for keeping me informed. She loves the two of us and that would be our Associate executive producer executive producer people for the show 493 as we approach show 500 remind people to go to Dvorak org slash and a channel of work comm slash and a no agenda nation comm and no agenda show comm and click the donate button there it would be very useful if we kept at least kept alive until show 500 and that would be nice yeah and a couple of PR mentions to make first of all our drone night is

1:02:28 Adam there from Gitmo Nation Manhattan. He's doing this little benefit concert that he's putting on called Free SM and we certainly would like you to support him. FreeSMESSAM.com. It's in the PR segment of the show notes. Also, let's see, the Blackberry super abuser Anthony, producer Anthony, Says Adam and John, I'm aware BlackBerry isn't very popular in Gitmo nation proper, but there's a few of us citizens here and many more around the world who still love the BlackBerry. The new devices are proving to be popular as well now that they are available. Is that true, John? Is that a fact? With that in mind, and with no money to donate, I decided to place a NoAgenda app in BlackBerry's App Store under the development name Hammer Down Media.

1:03:18 Aren't any frills, but it allows the user to view the artwork listen to the show And he's charging nice 299 for it. He will of course share the proceeds with us, so that's very good you can find that at blackberry dot in a show notes calm I set that up and Then we have oh we are now also automatically trans Morphic rated to YouTube There's a link to the no agenda YouTube archives where someone is putting the entire show up the audio up on YouTube Which it's not easy to do most people can only do 10 minutes And if you get it in your full account, it's a pain in the ass, you know It's like I gotta upload the thing again and people forget so he set it up an automatic system And it'll just it'll do it forever if it doesn't break. So that's very very cool. And we appreciate that as it break is the key Yeah, well, you know so things break over time and

1:04:13 But more importantly, yes, we do need your support and it will become very evident in this program why we need your support because we're doing a crap load of work and We actually got a nice call out. What was it? Someone with it was like some article on the verb or something Where someone pegged it very well and said, you know, they said the two top podcasts, This Week in Tech, Leo Laporte, completely independent. His shows are better than what they were on tech TV. And then second, it was No Agenda Show where Adam and John do not take advertising money because that is the number one way every single piece of media gets compromised, is by taking advertising money. Then you will be limited one way or the other.

1:04:58 See, we can talk crap about gold. We can talk crap about seeds. We can talk crap about water filtration systems. Yeah, just see it, you're prepper stuff going. Now of course if you are broke, don't send us Bitcoin, just go out and propagate the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up, Ray.

1:05:37 That's right slaves. Hey, so I'm looking up flues calm in the wiki. It's gone racist parking site Yeah, what says in 2001 flues calm was notified by the was notified by the FBI? That a Russian organized crime syndicate was using flues and stolen credit card numbers as part of a money laundering scheme mm-hmm in which the credit cards were used to purchase currency and then redeemed right and Yeah, oh that's gonna I'm sure that'll happen with Bitcoin. Yeah money launderers are always looking for a good idea. Yeah, well since we're talking about money laundering money laundering I do want to play this one here, which is a quiz for you.

1:06:21 And there's two versions. There's one that confirms one way or the other, but the one that has the word one in it, which is the drunk or not drunk. This is Newt Gingrich. Tell you this is a quiz for you. Is he drunk or not drunk? Okay, I'm playing one. Yeah, one. Okay, Newt Gingrich, drunk or not drunk? Good to be with you. Your thoughts watching filibuster? It's been a while since we've seen this. I'm really proud of Rand Paul. I'm proud of him for standing up for the rights of Americans and the Constitution. I'm proud of him for pushing the Senate and actually having a genuine filibuster, which is the right of a senator. And I'm proud of him for getting all of us, as you are tonight, to pay some attention. This is a serious question. We've evolved into a world where the President of the United States basically signs off on killing people on a remarkable frequency.

1:07:16 Okay, now he had more like a weed smokers cough in there like he had the cough that I think it was a belch and then he went vuvuv. He said like something vuvuv. Yeah, and then he said basically, but we don't know for sure. Basically. I'm going to say I'm going to say Newt Gingrich, um, hammered. Okay, well play part two and confirm or deny. And historic in raising the constitution of the country and I commend him for this level of leadership and as you yourself said, he's beginning to gradually attract a bipartisan group. I have a sheeple-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able-able

1:07:58 So Rand Paul was late. Rand Paul was coked out and Newt Gingrich was hammered drunk. Oh actually there's a bunch of guys hammered drunk because they were a lot of them I was actually impressed by the guys who didn't get drunk because many of them came over from the from some nearby hotel after a dinner with Obama. Right. And I guess they were holding it in. Well you know that's all what else you gonna do? You know, you're just damned. I can't imagine being there and not being just plastered all the time. In fact, you're drunk right now, aren't you? I wish.

1:08:34 So let's see, let's try, here's another one. This is an interesting clip as far as I, because when I heard it I said, is this guy really right? Is he saying this? This is Carney and he's stammering and when he starts to stammer he blurts things out and to me I interpreted this a certain way. So Carney of course for those of you living outside or even inside America who can't identify the state of Texas, Carney is the spokeshole for the White House. You know our interest is not in As long as these goals are met, that we do not go headlong into another manufactured crisis. We are focused on trying to find common sense solutions to the challenges that face us. Did he just say manufactured crisis? Did he just say manufactured crisis?

1:09:25 Yes. Why did he say that? Because it's a manufactured crisis? Exactly. Wow. When I heard this, is he admitting that these... Let me hear it again. And he said another as though there's been many. Let me hear it again. You know, our interest is not in... you know. As long as these goals are met, that we do not go headlong into another manufacturing crisis. We are focused on trying to find common sense solutions to the challenges that face us. You know, and another thing that I'm really sick and tired of, common sense.

1:10:05 Common sense. It's a common sense. It's common sense. Now, where do we know? I know, but perhaps we should ask you as a general historian where the term common sense comes from. You know, I have comes from, I think, the common people or something, the sense of the masses. No, this was a book. Oh right, Common Sense. It was a book. It was a very famous book in the 1800s. Was it not Thomas Paine I think who wrote the Common Sense? Let's see. Yeah, Paine it is. From the... hold on a second. I shall... Was it in the 1700s? Common Sense, a pamphlet written by Thomas Paine. First published anonymously on January 10th, 1776 at the beginning of the American Revolution. Common Sense was signed, written by an Englishman and it became an immediate success.

1:10:53 Having sold almost a hundred thousand copies in 1776 in relative proportion to the population of the colonies at that time it had the largest sale and circulation of any book in American history. Common Sense presented the American colonists with an argument for freedom from British rule at a time when the question of seeking independence was still undecided. Paine wrote and reasoned in a style that common people understood. Slaves. foregoing the philosophical and Latin references used by the Enlightenment era. In other words, when the president or his spokesman talk about common sense, that means we're dumbing it down for you stupid slaves to understand. Don't you think?

1:11:33 I think there's a good argument to be made if you play that the beginning of that carny clip again by the way I think I would urge you to do this. This is one of those well the central question is you have to read the book you know kind of thing yeah he says something as an intro and then says something else and it's like a total non sequitur just that don't get to the part about the manufactured crisis just play that first part and then him kind of mumbling to himself and then the second part. You know, our interest is not in, you know, as long as these goals are met that we do not... Our interest is not in... Hold on, let's go back, let's go back again. This is pretty good actually. You know, our interest is not in telling you the truth, you know.

1:12:20 As long as these goals are met, that we do not go headlong into another manufactured crisis. We are focused on trying to find common sense solutions to the challenges that face us. It's just amazing to live, you should really start to parse this character. He's just always doing stuff like this. But do this, if you do a Google search on the term common sense, right? Besides common sense media, and maybe just hit news, and then you just see it's all like common sense, common sense, common sense, FTC, common sense, common sense, and this, common sense, and that.

1:13:06 Politics this week, caucus, oh a caucus of common sense. Ooh, caucus of common sense. What's a caucus of common sense? Let's see, uh, let's see, politics this week, this is 45 minutes ago. Again the common sense, every single time you use common sense an angel gets peed upon. Let's see, let me find the term common sense. Obama appeals to caucus of common sense to stop sequester. Hit the caucus of common sense. I want to be a part of that. Of course the other word cropping up is the charm offensive. Mmm, okay. That's also an oldie but a goodie. I have too many M's here, that's why I'm not finding... God, there's so many ads on the stupid web. Can I use my Bitcoin to buy them away? Yeah, you wish.

1:13:58 In America, the deadline passed for avoiding the sequester of severe cuts to spending. Barack Obama met Republicans to try to secure a deal on the deficit and said he would strive to find a caucus of common sense. The president said he would try and find it. So the president apparently said... He's trying to find the caucus? Is that the deal? Of common sense. Well why doesn't he just do something, you know, like take action instead of trying to find the caucus? Because it's more fun. It's like an Easter egg hunt. Yeah, he's got nothing to do. He's got no visitors at the White House because it's all closed. He's all lonely. Well that's what that dinner was last night. It says right here on the hill. He's trying to build the idea of a common sense caucus. That's why he had this dinner. It was a dinner for some reason in a hotel. Do they serve cocoa van at the common sense caucus? No, they never gave out the menu. They should give out the menus to these things. The public has a right to know. There's a picture.

1:14:52 from last year. We need a foodie that takes pictures of his food. Well, you know, the White House has a Flickr stream and gosh if I could find it. It's somewhere last year. If you Google Obama, Pelosi, Reid and what's the other Mitch McConnell, sub sandwiches. So it's them like having a caucus of common sense, but they've got like $300 worth of sub sandwiches like, you know, footlongs. They've got cookies the size of hubcaps. They've all got their individual little tea. It's unbelievable. I mean, and they think that that's like common folk? I mean, seriously, you gotta see this. I gotta find this. Let's see if I can find a Flickr. If you do, so you do Flickr, Obama,

1:15:39 Pelosi sub sandwiches sub Sandwich, that's how you'll find it. And then you do images. You're gonna see this picture. It's gonna freak you out I found that already number three on Google here it is. Oh, yeah, look at it Look at you see the cookies are like hubcaps And then look at that point. Do you have the picture where Obama is telling... He's farting. He's squeezing a fart out. Oh, that one? Yeah, I got that one. But the one I'm thinking is where he's telling Pelosi, no, no, I've had enough, which just looks like a different event. No, I don't have that one. Oh, okay. But you see the one with the sub sandwiches? Look, it's like stacked three high.

1:16:22 This is one of those elite bag lunches that they have. This is what Obama looks like. He's actually lifting his leg up. Man, that sub got to me. And these sandwiches, these starchy sandwiches. What are the bags in front? Chips, chips, chips. They got chips. And then meanwhile it's all on the finest White House china. Hold on a second, let me give all of them a little douche bag. My god. And they've got their little tea, their little individual teapots. But what are they trying to commit? This is when elites think they're going to... We're like common people. Let's talk about the sequestration.

1:17:06 With sub sandwiches on hundred dollar plates. But look how many there are. There is 200, 300 dollars of sub sandwiches there John. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. I count 14 sandwiches for five people. 14 sub sandwiches. These are the seven dollar versions. So okay let it be 120 bucks. They look like they were made at the White House. The bread looks way too much better than a... How about those cookies though? Look how big they are. Yeah, they're huge. They're bigger than Pelosi's head, bigger than an areola's. Oh, I don't know, that just freaked me out, like made me sick. Yeah, yeah, please, you're making us sick. Sorry about that. I didn't mean to do that. Let me lighten the mood then. Let me lighten the mood as it took a little bit for us to figure it out, but didn't take all that long actually. This Dennis Rodman thing.

1:17:56 And what was interesting is in the past few days since our Sunday show, when we said, hey, Dennis Rodman, you got to smoke some dope or maybe it was some heroin or probably opium over there with Kim Jong-un with the vice crew. You know the outrage that the anger of the political media elite was surprising and then of course I figured out what it was all about because we just we We actually missed it first time around how dumb are we? So just to give an example here is Mika. Oh Mika Brzezinski, who of all people being Brezhnev's daughter, should be very interested in the grand chess game, which is his book.

1:18:42 of North Korea and the move that Kim Jong-un is making. Instead, she belittles not only Dennis Rodman as a moron, but also anyone who even wants to talk about him going to North Korea and breaking bread with Kim Jong-un, including people on her own show. I'm a little angry about that. What are you mad about? My author friend is back. We need to share. No sharing. I don't share. What are you angry about? Well, just a loaded question. Are you serious right now? What particularly are you angry about when it comes to George Stephanopoulos having Dennis Rodman on this week?

1:19:21 Um, I think that you just said it, right there. That coupling probably is not what you expect to see on a Sunday show, nor do you need to see, nor do you need to give attention to someone who... No, because we need it to be elitist important. Clearly brings nothing to the table. Clearly brings nothing to the table, but Carmen Electra smell. It's not just George Stephanopoulos, the news stories are all treating this as though Dennis Rodman is like an actual person. Hey idiots, you're treating it like a story now. It's four minutes past the hour. Hey you idiots! It's four minutes past the hour, we should have been into some hard hitting heavy metal.

1:19:57 news being called the highest-ranking American official he's not an official he got rebounds for Michael Jordan so why is every why is the media laughing at Dennis Rodman John do you know the answer because they can't get access I have no idea no because this whole thing was completely entirely perfectly timed he was on the Sunday shows what came on Sunday night What? Celebrity Apprentice. Wait a minute, is this a stretch? No, it was Celebrity Apprentice with Dennis Rodman. Oh, was he on the show? Yes! Oh, if I had known that I would have put two and two together. Yeah, but Trump is the best at this. Well, unfortunately not so good. The ratings sucked. I think he made a mistake. The ratings, he put all his money into Dennis Rodman going to, because you know, I think this is how it works.

1:20:56 So Trump of course can call up, yeah he screwed up. Trump of course can call Kim Jong-un and say, hey dude, like listen I got my show starting, I need you to, you know, let's do something cool, I got my guy here. Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. No, no, the first question would be do you want to be on it? Well of course, duh. Do you want to be on the show? No, I don't, Kimberly's can't do it. No, no, I don't. You want to be on the show. Hey Kim, Kim, hey Kim Jong, do you want to be on the show? No, okay. All right. Well listen. I got Brett Michaels. I got who else do we have? This happened by the way every single year on our show we find some Trump connection to some bullcrap news story Yeah, but he didn't but he didn't do great. Oh

1:21:41 only 5.1 million viewers. That's not good. So here's the... It must be on NBC. It's NBC, yeah. NBC is in the toilet. Yeah, so they have Trace Adkins. No, Kim Jong don't want him. They got Bret Michaels, like, no, he's annoying. Latoya Jackson, well, he's already had her. And then there's Dennis Rodman and Dennis Rodman's interesting. You know, he's interesting. He's an interesting guy. I'd love to hang out with Dennis Rodman. I said between his mumbling. So, you know, NBC has gotten some of the worst ratings. They're number five or something network now. Yeah, they're bad. They're really... I want to just make a point about this. When they started in the decline when General Electric bought them, and even though they were doing much better before GE came along, GE is the ones who implemented stacked ranking.

1:22:43 Stacked ranking. Yes, stacked ranking or forced ranking is a technique used by a lot of companies that was developed by Jack Welch at GE and he forced it on his employees. It made them angry, they all got screwed. Yeah, because you take four people in a group and then they rank each other and then the fourth guy, the guy gets the lowest ranking amongst peers, in other words the supervisors rank you, you rank the supervisors, and there's also rank lists going on. The lower 25% get fired unceremoniously. Really? Wow. You've got to look into this, it's really nasty. Which is fine, like apparently with a startup or some company that needs to have a shake out, you'll do this for a couple of years and then you stop. Wisely you would stop doing it, you don't keep doing it, which is what GE did.

1:23:34 essentially if you do it in a creative environment like a TV network, you might as well just shoot yourself. So I believe everybody is was stack ranked out of NBC if they had a clue and all that's left is just these losers who are good at politics because the people that can stick around during a stacked ranking type of employment model They're just really charming, you know, they get really nice. Everybody likes them. They're useless. So that's NGC right now. So Mark Benz. Mark Benz was my dad's neighbor when he was growing up. Marky Benz we used to call him. I mean, he used to call him because of course now Mark is in his, you know, 70s. And Marky Benz from time to time if I'm visiting Uncle Don, he'll still come over and visit. And he was an inventor at GE.

1:24:29 He had something to do with, I think it was something with methane or, well he had several patents where he invented several things and he got screwed out of everything, he says directly by Jack Welch. They took all the money, all the credit, all the patents, all the rights and he got screwed on everything. He says like Jack Welch is the biggest a-hole in the world. I should talk to Marky Bentz. Yeah, you should. You should talk to him. I think, just off the top of my head, I agree with that thesis. I never thought much of Jack Welch. And then when, of course, when his own company, because he created the monster, when his own company, when he retired, Welch

1:25:14 expected to get you know a free plane for the rest of his life and some a lot of a big bonus because he didn't have a lot of stock and he's expecting to get a big pension and and the end of and a permanent free airplane that he wouldn't have to pay taxes on company plane and they pulled the plug from all that crap with one board meeting they he'd actually created the environment that would screw him yeah which I think was the great irony and so Welch's actually has to write books now for a living and he seems like just a douche His wife is pretty smoking hot, his current one. Oh good for him. Yeah, no, hey, hey, I'm all for it. I'm all for it. Anyway, so that was very obvious and that's why everyone's angry. Not because Dennis Rodman got to go to Korea. I mean, Eric Schmidt went to Korea. You think he didn't, I mean he just didn't, you know, didn't do a, didn't do a hash under a glass. But he, you know, you think he just stayed in his hotel room? No. You know, but that's like, that's a real mission.

1:26:11 And this is just promotion for celebrity apprentice which also by the way includes Gary Busey who Kim Jong-un would have no He doesn't want that guy anywhere near his Bordeaux collection Busey man, just eat everything. No, no drink it. No, we don't want that So Dennis Robbin was the obvious guy and that's what that's what it was. And that's why everyone's angry And that and of course it was misplayed Trump Sent the wrong guy Because Rodman is dumb. I mean I like him and everything, but he's done. He doesn't know how to promote now. He is dumb Okay, he's always mumbling ah and then of course ladies and gentlemen as we continue into the depths of the Sequestration and as we prepare for complete Armageddon we now are living the mac and cheese life

1:27:08 Mac and cheese hey now the Jeff Smith you like it very good very good like a snappy sir sir Jeff Smith checks in once again with with the jingle as expected play it again okay Mac and cheese. That's right, mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. We've got a couple stories. First of all, perhaps you give him some cash right now to say pull that thing from the Noah Gent. The show will use it. Send him some Bitcoin. Thank you to producer Ryan who did a Google Trends analysis which will be linked in the show notes 4903.nashownotes.com. Very interesting John that the term mac and cheese

1:27:55 really didn't start popping until, interestingly enough, 2008. This is exactly when, in November 2007, which is pretty much the election for President Obama. I hate to correlate it, but... And it is a trend line that has gone up consistently with some peaks and valleys. We had a big peak November 2010, so I guess it comes around election time. And then November, oh yeah, it is November 2011, big spike in mac and cheese. And now the last spike was November 2012. So let me go back. Wow, mac and cheese seems to spike every election. This is interesting, I didn't even realize this. Here, November 2005, November 2006.

1:28:47 November 2007 but big spikes now. Now we're really ramping up. No, we're on a mac and cheese world. We are. We're on a mac and cheese gravy train. And someone dug up a couple of actually there's a couple of you know a couple of interesting stories. There is a two food bloggers have are waging war on Kraft and it's kind of funny you know it's how it's not funny it's really sad These are the 100 days of realfood.com Lisa Lisa and who's the other one? Well, Lisa is a Waging war on craft for their macaroni and cheese. We are petitioning craft to remove all artificial food dyes from their line of macaroni and cheese products

1:29:39 Yes, artificial food dyes. Apparently, Kraft uses yellow number six, I think, to make that fake cheese, fake chemical cheese look so scrumptious. Surprise, surprise! And here it is. U.S. version of mac and cheese has yellow number five and yellow number six. But the UK version does not contain any artificial food dye of the Kraft cheesy pasta. Because they don't call it mac and cheese over there, they call it cheesy pasta. I think it's a better name. Cheesy pasta? It's classier. It's classier. Very class- It's cheesy, eh. It's chee- cheese- but this is a video, hold on a second.

1:30:25 You want to replay this video? Let's see if they have something to say. Might as well. Yeah, might as well do it right. Let's see. Hi there. I'm Lisa Leak with 100DaysOfRealFood.com. And I'm Bonnie Hari with FoodBabe.com. Okay, first of all, FoodBabe. Good name. FoodBabe. Both brunettes, by the way. We're here to tell you about an important petition that we're starting to ask Kraft to remove all artificial food dyes from their entire line of macaroni and cheese products. We found out that Kraft is using two ingredients in their US version of mac and cheese. Yellow number 5 and yellow number 6, but they're not using it overseas in their other products. And we think this is an important issue to tackle because Kraft has... Oh brother. How about the fact that you're serving your kids mac and cheese? From Kraft. From Kraft. That's what you need to be talking about. Like, we want to serve something healthy to our kids. We don't want food dye. We don't want those dyes in it.

1:31:19 Anyway, Pat Robertson on that 700 Club finds out that this is actually a, as he calls it, a black thing. As Condoleezza Rice was interviewed by one of his parishioners on the show and she's going on about mac and cheese at Christmas. One thing at Thanksgiving you just have to have. I'm sorry, Thanksgiving. It's mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Sister that is my dish. That is the one thing that I can rock but only once what's a year good interview Christy? Congratulations, what is this mac and cheese is that a black thing it is a black thing Pat? Listen and you guys other people of the world needs to get on board with macaroni and cheese Seriously, I just okay Christmas and Thanksgiving we have to have macaroni and cheese and it just it trips me out that you don't

1:32:10 I really don't. I don't and I have never. There you go. It's a black thing, according to the black woman who's there, but it's not a black thing. It's bull crap. It's mac and cheese. It's mac and cheese. It's a depression food that people are eating because they can't afford anything else. And a box of mac and cheese is disgusting. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Now, So there's a petition, they have it on change.org. Oh really? These women should get it. You mean change.gov you mean? Is that a White House petition? No, that's change.org. It's a phony baloney. It's different. Check it out, change.org. No, I know what change.org is. I didn't think that change.org would stoop to our level.

1:33:06 Mac and cheese they got 51,000 people who are supporting the mac and cheese petition I Call that potential customers they oh, no I take it back as half that many they need 51 603 why? Because I never mind. I did just I don't care. I don't care. No well. We do care We're tracking the mac and cheese trend you identified it and It's your fault. It is my fault and I feel bad now. That's okay. Well, but now that we have a jingle it'll be around for a while. So we have a new development in the Department of Homeland Security, new development, stop the presses. Okay. You can now bring a pen knife. Yes. On board the plane. Yes. And I have a little report here that was so slanted that they didn't even bother balancing it.

1:34:02 It's just that this whole idea is terrible. By the way, if I'm not mistaken, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it always a problem to bring any sort of knife on board a plane before 9-11? Yes, you could not bring a pocket knife. You could get it through. It could you could get lucky where it could get through but we're supposed to do so so somehow now it's okay I don't know why oh I did I think it's just a cause a I think this report which is I believe slanted for a purpose and I think this is on the today show I think I know why but I Same boat with you. I think this is to create jobs in it so they can crack down harder and the fact that people

1:34:45 I think if I went out there and started talking to people about this, half of them would say, yeah, it doesn't make any difference to me, I don't carry a knife anyway, or I don't think it's a big deal. You can get people to say that, and you can get people to say, oh, this is a terrible idea, we're all going to die. But you don't, if you're going to do any kind of journalism whatsoever, especially with a stupid story like this, it's not that hard to balance the story. This is completely slanted. in a way that made me very suspicious. You're right, that's a lie. It's not the first time. You could not carry a knife on board. Not that I can remember at least. NBC's justice correspondent Pete Williams is at Reagan. Even scissors was a problem. National Airport, Pete, good morning.

1:35:38 Reagan National pretty much shut down right now Matt, but the TSA says the whole idea here is to avoid hassles. For the millions of Americans who carry pocket knives and for its screeners freed from having to search for small knives and other carry-on items that cannot bring down a plane and it says with hardened cockpit doors knives are less of a threat. It's been in place for more than a decade, the strict airline security rule that forbids passengers to carry knives on board with them. But that's about to change. TSA says it's part of an effort to focus the attention of screeners on the most serious threats. We are trying to focus on the highest risk, that being the non-metallic improvised explosive devices and we don't want these small

1:36:22 knives, pocket knives or the sporting equipment to be a distraction. The change also brings the U.S. in line with international security rules, allowing knives that have blades up to six centimeters long. Beginning next month, passengers can carry on knives with folding blades no longer than about two and a third inches, that's six centimeters and no wider than half an inch. Knives with blades that are fixed or that lock into place or have molded handles will still be banned. Same for box cutters and razor blades, still banned. Passengers will be allowed to carry on a hockey or lacrosse stick, a pool cue, ski poles, and up to two golf clubs, another change in line with the international standards. Some 35 million Americans carry a pocket knife, but early reaction we sampled was negative. I don't like it.

1:37:10 I don't know why they would allow people to carry knives on the plane. I mean, it's just ridiculous to me. But representatives of flight attendants say the move increases the risk to them. We believe this is a slippery slope. What will be the next weapon that can come on board? Oh, I bet water bottles! We're there to protect and serve passengers and also ourselves. And we don't want to see weapons unnecessarily introduced on board the aircraft. Wait a minute, flight attendants are there to protect and serve? Do you wear a badge? Here's a couple of interesting things on this clip. I know what this is about, this is bullcrap. Now one of them was the way they use the, you know you're supposed to do a kind of a balance report. Yeah.

1:37:54 So you had, I hate this idea, I hate this idea, I hate this idea, and then he used the word but. Right. And then it was I hate the idea. So it goes like this, well they don't like the idea, I don't like the idea, I don't like the idea, but the airline attendants don't like the idea. Right. Why would he use the word but? Makes it sound like there's a balanced report, but it's basically the same side. Yeah. I thought that was genius. So I got, no I'm sorry. The other thing is, I love the way they slipped in the IED. Oh yeah, oh yeah, no I heard it. Non-metallic, non-metallic IED. No, this is all a part of that. The other thing is, why would anyone want to bring two golf clubs? What's the point of that? Well you need your putter and you need your wedge on board. You can bring two golf clubs. That's a very good question. I had a similar report from a drunk Diane.

1:38:53 I have lots of drunk Diane for some reason who by the way looks like a movie star. Yeah. I mean she just I mean she just I mean isn't she when we're done John isn't that good I mean I know you love your wife and everything but I mean you'd run away with Diane Sawyer wouldn't you? I think if you saw her close up you might think differently. Okay, well. She had a lot of work done. You know how it is when you see they look great on the screen and then you see them it's like they've got carving marks all over their face. It's like have you ever seen Nicole Kidman? Next time you see Nicole Kidman notice that when she talks her eyebrows don't move and her forehead of course is completely flat because she's had so much Botox. She doesn't get any roses. She can't act. She has no expression.

1:39:40 No, she screwed herself by getting the Botox. It takes forever to get rid of some people. It can. You also can't emote well. You know, there was that study. We had it on the show. We played it. Yeah. For people who get all Botoxed up, they lose the ability to actually be emotional if they can't express the emotion. And you become like a zombie. Yeah. So at the end of the... Diane Sorr, by the way, is 67. She's 5'9", so she's probably... She's married to Mike Nichols. Who's that? Who's that? He's a famous director and used to be one of the ones that was in Economic... He did Catch-22 and some other movies. But she, if you look at her pictures, there's no way she's 67 without a lot of work. She's had a neck job, obviously. Seriously. Alright, John, deconstruct Diane Sawyer's look for us. She's had a neck job. She's had an eye job. She's had a neck job. Boob job. Boob job. I don't know, she may have Botoxed her forehead. That's pretty common. She's been work done. I like her because she's sloshed.

1:40:38 She is sloshing all the time. I really like her for that. Well here she is and at the end of this report I think is the true reason, besides slipping in the IED meme which of course we identified here, there's something else here. And a big change to tell you about tonight. A bigma change. Did you hear that John? Say it again. It's a bigma change. And a big change to tell you about tonight. And a big change to tell you about tonight, about to take place for American travelers heading towards security at the airport. For the first time since 9-11, the TSA is allowing some knives on board. An announcement greeted with confusion and outrage by flight attendants. ABC's David Curley has our story.

1:41:34 The things people try to carry on a plane may boggle your mind, but tonight, after more than a decade of confiscating tens of millions of pocket knives, the TSA says it's time for a change. You can now carry a small knife on board. We know that these small little items are unlikely to be used again to try and hijack an aircraft. In a month and a half, you'll be allowed to carry a folding knife if the blade is less than 2.36 inches long and a half inch wide. Golfers will be able to carry on two clubs, and hockey, lacrosse, and pool players can board with their sticks. Razor blades and box cutters, like those used by the hijackers on 9-11, will still be banned. Not every flight has an air marshal on board who is trained to deal with knife-wielding passengers. Drop the knife. Drop the knife. Which is why the flight attendants

1:42:24 are angry tonight saying they and their passengers will now be at risk. Having knives on board is a horrible decision and we're incredibly disappointed in the TSA for allowing weapons on board an aircraft. And by the way, is the TSA, they just make, they're allowed to decide this? A bunch of yahoos? They have that right? I thought this was all congressional. The TSA says the change will allow officers to concentrate on more serious threats. Explosives, they find some of those. Everything from mortar rounds to fuses and guns. Every day, four guns are found at U.S. checkpoints and on average, three of them are loaded. Diane, every month at each of our 20 biggest airports, they collect about 850 pounds of confiscated goods. About half of that, more than 400 pounds.

1:43:09 are these small knives and other larger knives as well. They hope these changes will help these lines move a little quicker. Now that of course is what it's about. Because you know now it's going to be every single pocket knife, every golf club, every bat, every hockey stick will have to be measured. It's going to be a nightmare. Because not just like oh, sorry you can't take that toss it in the bin or you know you can throw it out yourself They're gonna have to measure it. Let's see the blade is it a locking blade does it have a molded handle? Because it can't have a molded handle you see that's what this is about. This is about more work more TSA personnel bullcrap and a report from the front ladies and gentlemen after we reported that

1:43:54 that you can simply avoid the slave scanner and get to the magnetometer. We now have seven reports, six reports of people who went up to the TSA employee and said, I'm sorry, I have a medical condition, I can't lift my arms above my head. Six of those were sent through the magnetometer, no pat-down, no slave scanner. One received a pat-down, but on his way back he did the same trick again and he got passed right through. And I've got some more inside info. Adam, this is from one of our producers, confirmed with a friend of mine who's banging a TSA manager.

1:44:35 Hell, we love our... Hell, she told him to do it. The arm thing, not the banging. They apparently make you show that you can't raise your arms, but then they just send you through the junior slave scanner, which is the magnetometer. And I got a note from Michael Brown, former DHS undersecretary. An email. Adam, listening to Thursday Night's No Agenda, I heard you talk about avoiding the full body scanners at airports. Just a heads up, this does work. While I haven't made a big deal of it on my radio program, TSA will start requiring medical certificates or some other nonsense. I do routinely avoid the opt-out by simply telling the ID checker I can't raise my arm above my shoulder.

1:45:22 Every time I'm directed to the magnetometer instead of the full body scanner. And I checked this guy out. He was indeed, Michael Brown was the Undersecretary of Homeland Security for Bush. Did he want you outing him? Well he has a radio show. Oh I guess, sorry you're right. That's because you know, because here's how it works. Everybody has a radio show now what's he doing on the radio? Because he's telling the secrets and like there's no political career for him but you don't see Lucy Napolitano promoting him. No. It's because he's not a woman. No well there's that but also because you know he's he decided to tell the truth and then oh well we can't have you around douche.

1:46:04 Can't have you. I got one thing before we go to break here, which is really bugging me. We've talked about these jabronis, the SPLC, and I think it was inconclusive, the Southern Poverty Law Center. Yeah, you really have a distrust. Yeah, I got a real distrust for these guys. What do you know about the Southern Poverty? I mean, what kind of name is that? The Southern, it's a great name, actually, I should say, as a New World Order speak, Southern Poverty Law Center is poverty like for poor people like it serves poor of the south What is it? What does that name mean? Well began as an organization in the South is where this is what I remember from a door. They used to be very famous mm-hmm we'll do the book of knowledge search to get the history, but they did the They did a couple of interesting lawsuits. I think around the

1:47:01 1980s or 70s or something they were founded in 1971 so it had to be like between then and probably 80 maybe the late 70s they managed to do some suits against these skinhead type groups radical right really targeting yeah real target yeah they did some lawsuits where they found a guy writing you get a kick out of this a manifesto writing something like a manifesto that was that somebody was part of the clique and then he went and killed somebody and then it turned out that you could sue in some convoluted way the entire organization because of the manifesto that they were in creating the situation that caused somebody to die based on you know some just like you know how a helper to a murder you know you haven't be standing you'd be the guy driving the car when the guy shoot somebody

1:47:56 It managed to put a bunch of these organizations completely out of business. And so the guy, the main guy there, who's been on TV a lot, I can't think of his name, became very famous for this sort of thing. Richard, J. Richard Cohen? I don't know. He's the CEO? I think it's somebody else. He was one of the lawyers. Anyway, don't want with your thoughts on this. Okay. Well, because I'm always watching these guys because I hear him on NPR They're like the go-to for racial hate. They're like the go-to whenever there's racial hate and there's a lot of that being incited recently a lot of being talked about then there's always someone from the Southern Poverty Law Center like they are the go-to for mainstream media and So they sent they have a report a new report and they sent a letter to Attorney General

1:48:47 Eric Holder and DHS Secretary Lucy Napolitano. And you know they have a whole... I'm sorry, sorry. Morris Dees is the famous guy. That's the guy. And so this report is about hate and hate groups. And he starts off by, Dear... Hey Eric and Janet, on October 25th, 1994, six months before the Oklahoma City bombing, we wrote Attorney General Janet Reno about the growing threat of domestic terrorism. So that line by itself And by the way, I don't think it was ever called domestic terrorism. Certainly not at that point in time. But right there, what he's saying is, we called it! We had the red book on the Oklahoma City bombing six months ahead of time. So what I'm about to tell you is very, very important. In fact, the second line is, today, we write to express similar concerns. So he's talking about hate.

1:49:44 But what's interesting is in this, there's a video on his website, but he says the exact same thing I think with a pooper show, but it's not pooper, it's like some fill-in, like the financer guy is filling in the idiot. And he says the same, he has the same rap. And I just wanted to play this because so much is so wrong and so much of it is essentially saying that you and I, John, you, John C. Charles Dvorak and Adam C. Clark Curry could be deemed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as not only domestic homegrown terrorists, but we hate black people too, because it's the same thing, you see.

1:50:29 You understand? Are you following me? You hear me? So they're doing a connection? They're doing a connection between hate for the president because he's black. Oh right, the president's black. Yeah, I noticed. And of course if you were against the government. then you're a racist. Or fifth story out front, the rise of hate in America. So remember it's hate and it's hate and they keep talking about KKK and hate against the black man but it's not really even about that at all. They're just making it and it's very tricky and I want you to specifically listen for this John how they're making that connection without really even talking this there's no racial conversation here. It's all about hate for the government, but that means you hate the black man. Oberlin College in Ohio suspended classes this week after a student reported seeing someone dressed in Ku Klux Klan robes. By the way, it turned out to be not true. This is just a setup.

1:51:19 Which is disgusting as a setup for a new story. It follows a string of recent hate incidents on campus. Now last August, a 40-year-old ex-soldier turned white supremacist, Rocker, shot up Rocker! a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, killing six people. You'll remember that. Hate crime! A few weeks later, a group of Georgia men was linked to an anti-government plot to assassinate President Obama. And it's all part of what the Southern Poverty Law Center says is a disturbing trend. The group's new study says the number of anti-government groups is at an all-time high and many are driven by their fear that the government will strip them of their rights. But the study's findings, do they add up? Out front tonight, Mark Potok is the author of the report and a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center. A senior fellow? It's not a university! We gotta have these titles, John. Yeah, I'm gonna be the senior fellow of the No Agenda show. I'm Adam Curry, senior fellow of the No Agenda community.

1:52:16 Senior Fellow at the Southern... It's a 5013C Corporation. He's a non-private... Senior Fellow, what a bull crap thing. Michael Medved is a conservative commentator for Salem Radio and John Avalon is a CNN contributor and the author of Wingnuts, how the lunatic fringe is hijacking America, which is a suitable title for our discussion tonight. Thanks... Whoa! This is gonna be pretty balanced. Don't you think my and what's my Michael Medved is funny because now after you play this clip I have a clip to follow good good good good to all of you mark Let me start with you. You're the author of the report It's it focuses on so-called Patriot groups, which you describe as conspiracy minded Anti-government and on the radical right now back into okay. Hold on say I just want you to know sorry chat room. You might as well go home That's you. All right. It's everybody who listens to this show. I

1:53:09 So we went from killing Sikhs as white rockers and plotting to kill the president to now your patriot group. This is really, really interesting what's happening. The word patriot, it's almost like changing the word gay. Gay meant something else. Now it means homosexual. Patriot meant you were a fucking patriot. Now it means you're anti the government And you are a racist. Notice this, 813% since 2008. Right before President Obama took office. But lots of questions are coming up today, Mark, about how you define these groups. Give me some sense of how you define these patriot, extremist, right-wing groups. Okay, patriot, extremist, right-wing groups who hate the black man and hate the government. You ready, John? Do you have your pen? Because we've got to write all these things down.

1:54:17 Sure, Ali. What the groups are, are the very same groups that we all used to call the militia groups back in the 1990s. They more normally described themselves as patriot organizations or Christian patriot organizations. You know, essentially what holds these groups together, what kind of makes them a movement, is that they all subscribe to a conspiracy theory which goes more or less as follows. Come on, John, give it a guess. Come on, come on, give it a guess. Give it a guess. Yeah, she either be the new world order Yeah, keep going Or agenda 21 might be it Stop stop stop you're already there you already would jump to the end. It's perfect, but he builds it up

1:55:01 They believe that the federal government has a secret plan to impose martial law on this country. Well, yeah. Yeah, we just read about it. It's called the change of contingency operations, the definition, yes. Very likely with the aid of foreign troops, perhaps UN blue helmets. Well, we seem to be doing it everywhere else. that the government will then come in and take all guns away from all American citizens. Yeah, kind of happening. Those who resist will be thrown into concentration camps that either are now being built or already have been built. Oh, gee, what is this? The internment camps we've been reading about? It turns out as the 2010 memo becomes available that that is actually true?

1:55:47 by FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and ultimately the United States will be forced into some kind of one-world socialistic government, what's often called the New World Order. And there we have it. And of course we hate the black man. That's really what ties these groups together. How does the black man come into play? Well nothing, it has nothing to do with it at all. But if you got to go to the website, splcenter.org, because they have an interactive Google map of all of the hate groups. Now you'll be maybe surprised to find that you'd think that Texas would have the most hate groups of all, but no, California has the most hate groups and they've listed them, they've categorized them. So let me give you some names. American Patrol, Voice of Citizens Together, that is a hate group. Bare Naked Islam, that is a hate group.

1:56:41 Chick Publications, a hate group. Christian Guardians. Counter Currents Publishing. The Creative Alliance. Crew 38. Escaping Islam. Defend Students.org. I mean really? These are hate groups? I mean please. National Socialist American Labor Party. Official street preachers. Wu-Tang Clan. Oh, I'm sorry. That'd be funny if that showed up. Orange County Skins. Tony Alamo Christian Ministries. Come on, these are not hate groups! And at the top of this page, they've got like a guy with a swastika flag and a German helmet doing a Heil Hitler.

1:57:27 Come on people this is crazy and if anything I'm Disappointed that no agenda didn't make it every idiot is on this list and we didn't even make it on the list Come on, that's lame. Let me check Texas for a second I mean seriously this is no agenda this is the oh the creativity a lot of her side haters the creativity alliance faith and heritage first century Christian ministries again Lone Star United these are all hate groups okay hate groups Tom Brown ministries that a hate group really the hate group I don't know man let's look up a couple of these give me that one that was on both lists okay that is the

1:58:13 The creativity movement that's supposed to be a... Not that, no, the Christian, the first Christian something or other. First century Christian ministries. Type? Christian identity. Is that a hate group now? It's not a group, it's a style. Yeah, now always has been a hate group. Here it is. Overview. Of all the movements that have appeared among white racists in America, Christian identity is surely one of the strongest. although nominally Christian it owes little to even the most conservative of American Protestants. I don't know man conquer we must for our cause is just oh they have a slogan yay so anyway so uh what they should have been doing if they want to talk about hate and race was this little ditty that I picked up from um this is the uh the Alex hold on I got a clip in here because you had Michael Medved I want to make this a little move a little closer move move play the Aaron

1:59:13 This is Aaron on Obama with Van Jones. Oh, Aaron Burnett, there we go. Alright, see you in a few minutes, Anderson. And now our fifth story out front, President Obama is lazy. These are the explosive comments made by Fox News Chief Roger Ailes. Oh, I get it. This is the black man is lazy? Is that what this is? Oh, God. Vanity Fair just released an excerpt from Ailes' new biography in which he says, referring to a comment someone made about Ann Romney, Obama's the one who never worked a day in his life. He never earned a penny that wasn't public money. How many fundraisers does he attend every week? How often does he play basketball and golf? I wish I had that kind of time. He's lazy. But the media won't report that. I didn't come up with that. Obama said that to Barbara Walters. All right, he did, and I'm going to get to that in a moment. But the question is, are those comments racially charged or just frank talk? Michael Medved is a conservative commentator on Salem Radio, and Van Jones is a CNN contributor. Van, racial?

2:00:09 Very, very. I first of all I just want to say I worked with this president. I worked for him. He kicked you out! Very, very racially. There's a racist commentary. Of course now play Obama says lazy clip and then that resolves it it seems. What's the trait you most deplore in yourself and the trait you most deplore in others? Laziness. You're lazy? You know it's interesting. There is a deep down Underneath all the work I do I think there's a laziness in me. Wow! So Obama's a racist! He's a racist! Well, so here's what the this will close this will bring the whole thing to closure the no agenda show which also is known as The Best Podcast In The Universe!

2:01:01 always tries to bring you a little bit of balance, okay? A little bit of balance to the entire scene of information and disinformation that is being pumped into your veins through mainstream syringes. And they do prick you. They do prick you. You can't always stay away from it. This is from the Al Sharpton radio show. Now, Al Sharpton, of course, is the African-American preacher who is very tiny, has a big head, and he's on MSNBC, and he's always talking about how everyone hates the black president in the White House. Would that be a correct assumption? Yeah, that's his basic theme. Right.

2:01:38 So he has on a guy, Earl Ofari Hutchinson, who I don't know who he is but I just want to make sure you know that he's the guy talking. And he came up with some very interesting statistics from Gallup, not from, you know, that's a Gallup poll, that he was stunned, shocked, we know a few things about the nr in terms of their overall makeup even though they say they don't keep any statistics any figures uh... on race or ethnicity the whole thing is if you believe in the second amendment you want to protect on the gun ownership and other rights of gun owners that's all we ask in terms of being a member of bona fide member of the nr a however uh... couple things were ever now one thing actually i was surprised to find

2:02:22 Typically when you think of the NRA, you typically think of basically a bunch of, you know, conservative white guys that pretty much run the outfit. But, and also when you think of gun owners in America, gun ownership in America, you tend to think basically kind of rural, Southern, uh, white male. But now think about that for a second. Is that not exactly what you think, John? Is that exactly what we have been taught to think? It's what, what we've been taught to think. Yeah, like the NRA people who want guns, bunch of middle aged Southern white guys hanging out of their guns and their Bibles and my AR-15. Right, shooting squirrels. Shooting squirrels and any kind of cans. Mexicans

2:03:04 porter he can take hands and get my hands on so what i was stunned to find a little hole from gallup when they looked at gun ownership uh... as of twenty eleven forty five percent and this is what really caught my forty five percent of uh... gun owners in america are not white and even more by interesting almost thirty percent with a lot of legally owning guns 30% of gun owners in America are African-American. There's no real conflict! There you go. 30% of guns owned legally in America are African-Americans. 45% almost half of all guns owned are by non-whites. Interesting, isn't it? Yeah.

2:03:52 Hello slaves! HRH here. I've been listening to this tremendously good no agenda podcast thingy, and I'm here to ask you to help these two American chappies continue their fight against this new world order debacle. I am very happy with the old world order, thank you very much. To help them you can go onto the interweb to Dvorak.org slash NA and donate any spare gold or silver that you might have lying around. So, in the morning to you all, YAY! And shut up, it's science already. Whatever that means. Right, I'm off to shoot some peasants! There you have it. HRH. Mixing it up, helping us into our donation segment.

2:04:44 So, hit the donation segment. I thought we'd do something different for a change. I mean, I like the idea of that clip, but I thought it was going to lead to that clip because that's really the clip that says, okay, we're taking a break to the donation segment. I know, but I thought I'd mix it up and then, you know. It's hard for me to get, you know, I got a little music, you know, I'm lively, you know, I can get I made a mistake. I made a mistake. I would like to thank you for Skura, who is a new donor from Orlando, Florida. It's 12345. Dear Statler and Waldorf, thanks for the best podcast in the universe. He wants a Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Karma for us. He's starting a new job on Thursday. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Jobs. Let's vote for Jobs. You thought Karma. Also a newbie is Duncan Martin in Canyon County, California of 100.

2:05:46 Hi guys, I've been listening to the show a few weeks. You guys are great. Decided to add value for value. I'd like to add a further value by providing a science lesson. Listen to that? We're going to get a lesson? We're going to get a lesson. All right. On the last show, John implied that high fructose corn syrup is not real sugar. In fact, obviously he's not listened to the long arduous stuff. In fact, he apparently didn't pay any attention to last year's FDA decision that they can't even use the word corn sugar because according to the FDA high fructose corn syrup is not sugar. But okay, we'll forget that. It's not real sugar. In fact, sugar is the generalized name for a class of chemically related sweet flavored substances, one of which is fructose. Fructose is found in many fruits and vegetables. Furthermore, sucrose, common table sugar, breaks down into fructose and glucose. So it leaves a, you know, goes on. We've heard this a million times. Is ICFC bad for you? Probably yes. But don't say it isn't real sugar.

2:06:43 Well, yeah, it's not real, but I'll tell you what, from now on, Duncan, you take your sugar bowl and fill it with this goop and put it on the table for people and then give them the lecture. Say, hey, that's sugar. No, but that's like sugar. That's goop. No, that's sugar. High fructose corn syrup, I will remind you, was created and put into practice to fatten up cows. Am I not correct? That's what they use it for. They said, hey, This is sugar! Let's give it to our slaves! So he wants to shut up at science appropriately and a minimum wage karma shot. Shut up already! Science! You thought, karma. That combination. Tony Sprague and Grand Blanc, the big white in Michigan, $99.99.

2:07:42 Oh, I can do that one. We should do a 99999. Sorry for being- 99999. Yeah, I don't know, it's something... 99999! There we go, sorry. Grant- uh, Tony Sprague and Grand Blank Michigan Nuts. Hey Abbott and Costello, give me the old-fashioned 9er 9er 9er. My birthday present to me is a donation to you. Please put me on the March 7th, you're on the list. Thanks for the best podcast and the university wants a ringtone of Hey Citizen 2 to the head squirrel. A ringtone? Alright. You gotta be quiet then, okay? Hey Citizen. Good ringtone. It might be good.

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2:09:22 Or they call or they don't call back our ends fresh out of college Maybe the whole situation would be my catalyst to move to DFW, Texas all right Brian Let me I'm gonna hand out some RN candy striper hot milfy job karma. You've got karma pictures. Maybe that's it all right here. We go Rocking through the segment today works in parts unknown uh... high andy and jessa a telegram style note nine nine nine followed by fiscal cliff scream the ever vigilant missed the dutch lessons schwartz of the north was here followed by fiscal cliff i will deny nine nine is really only supposed to be for you nine nine nine

2:10:14 Brian Williams in Streamwood, Illinois 69. Hey, he's in the wrong spot. How did that even happen? Because it sorts by price. That's weird. I don't know what it is. 69.99. Okay. But says could be 69.69 a typo. Craig in Bloomington, Indiana 69.69 Just asked for job karma back in October to help my PhD research, but after a few months of deliberation I'm leaving the program instead. It's an amicable parting and I can still get a master. So maybe that's the karma at work, but I need a job I may. So he needs job karma. I'm asking for it here and hope to get a job where I can move back in with my beautiful girlfriend for more 69 times in my life and to hopefully turn her into a beautiful fiancee soon. Maybe she's listening.

2:11:11 Yeah, he seemed to shot more carefully than my last one. Thanks for keeping me informed and entertained during the rough transitional period I think that I think the mistake is Craig didn't send a picture of her That's that usually helps the the karma over to over helps it find its way. You've got karma It's like Mission Impossible. It helps it find its way. Nice, Dvorak. Johnny Haller in Missoula, Montana, 69, 69. My birthday's the 12th. I'll be 69 years old. That was awesome! 69 on 6969. You spoke about money laundering by large banks for drug dealers in the recent past. I was skeptical until I read at mathbabe.org that HSBC essentially pled guilty and yes, they paid a huge fine for that. Yeah, I think we've reported on that extensively. Yeah. Extensively. I think we're getting the kick out of people who are skeptical about this bullcrap that's going on around them. And the stuff that we say that...

2:12:10 69 yet. Yeah, anyway, but you should know that we do we got y'all said that that closes out our segment 69 69 Hold on this this is this what happened to our segment. We're like this like nothing here This is short it where our show is dying Missoula, Montana 60 another one what one after the other Wait a minute, let me look this over. That was John in Missoula, Montana. It's really weird on the spreadsheet to see this and then Sam... in Missoula, Montana, but this is Sam's awesome MILF wife Ashley sending in a happy 33rd birthday to my husband Sam, who's also in Missoula, a huge fan, he's been a douchebag for too long, I'm borrowing his PayPal account to donate. By the way, all lady listeners out there, get your spouse's PayPal account and send us some money. It's a great gift. It's a great gift, it's fantastic, and if you send us a picture

2:13:12 Helps and by the way, it's not only a great gift, but it costs you nothing. That's right She asked for it, thank you. Thank you awesome. Awesome milf wife Ashley. Yeah, Sam by the way. I Sam gets a douchebag give him a douchebag. No he gets a de-douching if anything she I'm giving him a de-douching That's a real that's a woman there. It's a real woman Megan Trotsky meanwhile what a name Romeoville, Illinois happy birthday to David Trotsky door turning 44 and March 6 we love you dad from Megan Rissa So sweet

2:13:58 I'm still befuddled by this Missoula thing and two listeners. You guys should get together. Maybe we turn the antenna that direction. Jeffrey Gerlach in Alamo, California. Good old Jeffrey is buying a house, going for a loan, needs some karma big time. I hear you my brother. You've got karma. Jay Kodachini in Kennett Square, Pennsylvania. ITM jabroni and Andre first-time donor for longtime boner please accept this real monopoly instead of digital monopoly money I would like to call out my boss bill and my co-worker Mike as douchebags yay

2:14:40 He says 6.3 What is 6.3 LG? I don't know what that is. I like it though. Happy to hand it out? Tuna a la King rocks the house.

2:15:32 Jodeci, I'm guessing it's how it's pronounced. Yes. Los Angeles. Call me Jodeci. I'm a female douchebag. Sorry about that. I enjoy the show and desperately need some house buying karma. Apparently California is so awesome there are now bidding wars starting at price, at list price plus P.A. That's happened before. What does that mean? What does that mean? That means you put the house up for $45,000. If only. What garage is this? I'm just doing it for the benefit. Yeah, right, okay. You put the house up for $45,000 and normally under circumstances, especially recently for sure, if you come in and say I'm buying it for $45,000, they are usually supposed to sell it to you at $45,000. Oh, now they're saying we'll get back to you? No, generally speaking, you bid $40,000 on a house

2:16:27 ask for 45 and then they do a deal and maybe get it for 42. That's the way it normally goes in the housing market. But in the case of the auction market, you go, I want to buy it for 45,000. Well, you and five other people, we're going to auction it. Really? Starting at 45. Is the housing market like all of a sudden it's great and we're now no longer in crisis? What happened to the mac and cheese life? In parts of California, San Francisco is a good example because of the... Well, this is Los Angeles. Yeah, I know. That's what kind of gets me. It's a home of corruption. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't know. I don't know what part of LA she's talking about. But apparently some places, you know, you have to go through this process and it's always called overbidding. So the place comes up at 45,000, you go, I'll give a 48. So, well, okay, we got one week and we're going to make a decision. Somebody else, I'll give them 52. Hey, the 48, 52 came in. You want to go higher? This is exactly how I want to sell my bitcoins.

2:17:29 All right, Jodeci live in the Bitcoin as Jodeci with a Y by the way not with an I which is the I think the girl group Jodeci from the 90s. I'm gonna give you a little bit of house buying karma. See if we can get the karma I'm like Chuck Willery. Do we have some house buying karma? Christopher Walker in Green Bay, Wisconsin. 50 Atmospheres in Davenport, Iowa. Great little place by the way. Keep the clips, crips and crips and drips coming. Your insights are gradually appreciated. Gradually. By the resident slaves out here in Gitmo Nation. I owe Mr. Oil a teaser clip to promote the Common Sense Revisited Show. Heard blah blah blah. Todd. Now hold on. Not blah blah blah. Heard sort of live on the No Agenda stream Saturdays from 1 to 3 Central Time.

2:18:13 Blah blah blah, his plug. Now you're like Kevin. Brett Ferrell, Oklahoma City 50 and finally Mack Harbor LLC 50 in Sheboygan, Michigan. And I want to talk about these donations being off to an extreme this year. Normally we always get more donation as time goes by but I think we're peaked. And here's my concern. Uh, if you look at this... No, no, stop for a second. I just want people to know this is... John sent me a note last night which I didn't get until this morning. Which, you know, and I think I even replied like, oh, thanks for some positive news in the morning, douche. So here's the thing.

2:18:57 Last time and this is included we had about 27 people that actually donated that we read in the these segments Everybody else on this on this list was either like a $2 subscription a $4 subscription We don't have that many subscribers, but we had enough to give us a total base of donations of a hundred or two hundred and two people Which most again were just subscriptions that show up on spreadsheets. Right, well it's half of those are subscriptions ranging between $2 and I think there's some 33's. Right? Actually, no, there's 27 out of that number that are not subscriptions. That's what I'm saying. You said half. Half of 27. Oh my god, so you're saying only 10% is not a subscription? Yeah.

2:19:45 But that's not the point. The real point is last year at this time we had 407 of these entries in the exact same time period. And the segment were shorter. We have half as many people that give a shit this year than this time last year. That's what's concerning. Yeah, that's messed up. 407 versus 202 those are the numbers so that year over year so we've gone down by by 50 percent percent Wow now either if you don't care or they got there you know they got their subscription we do have a few $4 a week subscribers but I when I say a few I mean a few we have 80 total

2:20:32 So that's like, you know, not what I call runaway success, that idea. Even though I think it's the best way to go. I think that gets everybody, you know, clears. I think a lot of subscriptions have been lost. A lot of people quit. I think we, I don't know what the total number of downloads is up. I don't think there's any doubt about that. We have more listeners, but more listeners that are... We have $44.40. No, yeah, but this is... That's per month. You know what your point is well made. I've done the math. Okay. Yeah, I haven't cuz I don't do this I mean, I just alright. So what's the so what are we gonna do? I don't know I just very disconcerting that this this trend is I'm gonna keep checking this I'll check it again next week with the exact same Download could though we have all our records that go all the way back Last year may have been the peak of the show. I mean four years into it. I

2:21:25 uh... i'm not worried anymore they say well these guys are coming into entertaining but you know i can do without it do you think is that anything that that we're not bitching and now for the do we think that the link to get more at more attention if we bitch uh... i'm not going to do that anymore you know what i was once a and i'm tired of it i'm tired of the bitching and i actually have pulled back a lot on the beach and i think i've bitched since November because I remember the last time a lot of people you know they're just you know they you know I wanted to by the way I want everyone to if you're on the newsletter please white list us because there's a lot of spam filters that pull us out I did a big

2:22:06 I did some work with MailChimp. I was bitching about the fact that the delivery doctor program doesn't work very well and so they turned me over to this woman named Ashley and she says we have numerous people that are on this mailing. She did a whole analysis. I mean this is like worth money. A whole analysis of our mailing. She named like we have 300 people that have been getting the mailing for the last three years. Have not for not open it never even opened it once I know what she said Why is this deadwood even doing on this list you should get rid of these people and there's a bunch of stuff like that going so we're Rethinking how to do this and of course and I went I'd gave a little speech with Leo At some conversion scene with a bunch of radio guys, and there's a number of guys Oh, you know you could you can change the show and get plenty of advertising you get enough

2:22:53 Who was saying this? Yeah, we can get plenty of advertising and then do what? Yes, that's the point. That's even Leo agrees with that. So we were in a bind here. We have like less people that care by 50%. than last year and I think the shows are just as good. I believe the shows are better than last year. They're going too long. They're going too long? You know, Shana Pepper's mama who does the copy, she copy edits the newsletter, she's like, she's told me she was, she's six weeks behind on the show. Because the shows are too long? Well, because a lot of these people listen to the whole show and the shows are running three hours instead of two to two and a half.

2:23:36 So they can't keep up and so they don't even know this is going on. They won't even know this complaint of mine right now for months. So what do you suggest we do? I think we should have a hard stop. You think that's gonna fix the problem? No, I don't. I think it's not gonna hurt because I do think the show's running too long. It really goes on too long. It's just... We slipped the three hours somehow and we have never retreated at all. We've kept... We're pushing 310. Yeah, but you think that's the reason why people are not donating? I don't see how those two correlate. You don't see the connection, but if they stop listening to the show because it's too long and they don't get to even hear the donations. Alright, so maybe we just need to stop at two hours then. Well, two hours would be nice if we could do it. I think it's almost impossible. No, I think we can... What do you mean it's not impossible at all? I'm done. Hey, I can stop right now. Let's end it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Fuck these people. I'm done. Are you done or not? I... I'm thinking. What?

2:24:42 I have one thing I should play. Well then let me, we have birthdays, maybe you should not do that. Birthdays, knighthoods, I mean you're really pissing me off with this, this information. Why, why does this... Well it's not, it's not you specifically, but I'm very upset about this, obviously. You should be. Yeah, well I... That doesn't mean to take it out on the group here that actually contributed, we're not bitching about them. We're not bitching about Surgir or Melon Salt in Tigard. No, no, no. Alright, well that's the problem. We have all these great nights that keep coming in. And they keep supporting us and then we have all these, you know, hangers on that like the show but they, you know, they complain. We had one guy send a nasty note in on the, because when I get, when we send a mailing out we get people unsubscribe. It's always about the same number. And one guy says, well, you know, and I, unfortunately the way it works, I mean, I have all this records. So this guy has been opening the mailing and he's bitching about this last mailing because there was no anything interesting. And so he just unsubscribes.

2:25:43 his whole history has been like with the show for like three years and his total donations were at five bucks total and he's complaining for three years five bucks for three years total yeah one-time donation of five bucks which I we have nothing against people donating five bucks and we would encourage everyone to donate what they can or empty their PayPal account or whatever but I don't think it gives you a five dollar donation over years period gives you the right to start bitching and the way this guy did and it just was a incredibly annoying which I think is what triggered my kind of anger here which is like it's like the chat room how many of these guys in the chat room contributed to show it all they do is go in there and kvetch

2:26:25 There's a number, there's quite a number. You know what, the Bitcoin people aren't. Now we got Bitcoin to deal with. No, we're not going to deal with this. It's a complete waste of time of mine pulling it from the... Yeah, pull it right off, pull it off. No, there's like... No, pull it off. Well, here's my... This is my ultimate fear. I'll just tell you, I'll just put it out there. My ultimate fear. And we've seen... The minute the New Year hit, that was like our peak. It's like that's when everything, am I correct? That's kind of when it really collapsed. Yeah, no, we did a great December and the January was not only mediocre but consistently mediocre in a funny way. This has never happened before by the way. I have been tracking this because I do all the tracking. For five years, six years almost. Yeah, and it used to be like, oh you have a bad show in terms of people showing any interest in helping and then it makes up for it the next week.

2:27:22 The next show it goes way up. What's an up-and-down thing? This is consistently Consistently mediocre just time you know the half a number of people and I think Part of it may be due to the fact that people are so backed up on the show because it's you know six hours or plus Instead of five which is an hour doesn't seem like you could get that backed up, but you know I have Well, okay here. He here is the bottom line is the following I? I'm getting worked up. It is the percentage of people who listen to the show and actually contribute is too small. That's the problem. It is 1%. 1% of the people who listen to this and if everyone, if 100% all contributed a dollar

2:28:19 a month, we would not even have this conversation at all. We wouldn't have to do a donation segment. Right. We could be, I mean, we're doing the, I mean, this is, seriously, I mean, why even do a donation segment? I'm seeing, it's interesting, I just see the chat room like, I wanted to give $500 but they won't even respond to my emails. Well, you know what? Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. What emails? I gotta calm down. It's bullcrap anyway. People who say that are full of it. I gotta calm down. I'm gonna. It's like, you know, oh I would do this and that. Well if you did this and I'd do that. If you do this I'd do that. That's not the way it works. No. We do the show. That's it.

2:29:03 you want to donate you could it's not just we're not forcing anybody to donate you can do whatever you want you can listen to hang on it's fine I it would bother some as guys like that guy you just said right there the guys are trying to lord it over us like there as if there were advertisers trying to lord it over us or the guys who bitch to me on the on the MailChimp program because it's like there's no content in this last newsletter so I quit it even though we do have content in the newsletters on it you know it's not everyone most of the time when we're not getting enough income we have to promote getting more income in the newsletter that's what we do but to think that you're an advertiser that can lord it over a show that's an independent thought process is crazy and I don't know what email this guy's talking about it's probably bullcrap. It's alright I am now

2:29:52 I'm getting out of the chat- fuck you, chatroom. Fuck you. Fuck everybody! I'm sick and tired of this shit. Really sick and tired. Don't donate. Fuck off. I'll go find something better to do with my time. Troy Sprague congratulates himself. He is celebrating today. John Haller turns 69 on the 12th. Good to have him aboard as a producer on the No Agenda program. Sam Coon? Coon? Let's see, it says Sam's husband. Did we say that right? Was this Sam for Sam's... Was that Ashley? Yeah, it was Ashley, I think.

2:30:36 Ashley says happy birthday to her husband Sam, he turns 33. Megan Trotsky congratulates dad David Trotsky, he turned 44 on the... Oh, today. And Jay Cottacini says happy birthday to Mike, he turns 31 tomorrow. Happy birthday from your friends here at the No Agenda Show. And we'll go right into it. Philip Meason, step forward please sir, as we have our blades at the ready. Thank you for being one of the 1% donating to the best podcast in the universe and therefore we are very proud to make you a Knight of the Noah-Jenner Roundtable. So I hereby pronounce the... There you go. Sir Philip! Knight of the Noah-Jenner Roundtable for you, sir. Hercules and Blow, Red Boys and Chardonnay, Hot Pants and Booze, Wenches and Beer, and oh, I'm sorry. That's all we have. It's sequestration. You left it out. Sequestration. Sorry, that's all we have.

2:31:37 So anyway, we'll work on this problem and figure it out. No, no, no, we're not. We're not going to work on the problem is I'm going to work on finding other sources of income. And I'm I'm very emotional about this. I'm very emotional about it. You don't think I should bring this up? No, no, no. I think you should. But I'm about to do a speech on Saturday at South by Southwest where I'm talking about the great value for value model, which apparently is now fucking failing. Well, Or maybe just cancel the speech. Oh, and by the way, I'm so happy to be there. It sucks. It doesn't work. People won't contribute. 1%. You can give that speech. It's interesting. Everyone bitches about the 1%. The richest 1% are douchebags. Well, that's correct. The 1% is all that is donating. The rest are the douchebags. It's the 99%. The leechers. The chatroom whores.

2:32:32 Thank you, people who support our program support it, thank you very much. But you know if we're actually on the downswing, which is what you're telling me... We should just be doing a private podcast for them. Thank you, how about that? That's a good idea. I mean, maybe we need to rethink our model. We got to rethink it because it's not working. It's just not working. And the amount of abuse and bullshit we have to deal with, it's not worth it. We put ourselves out there, people call us names, tell us we're full of crap, we don't know what we're talking about. And of course when we're right about stuff, you know, very few are jumping up and down, but it's okay. I think that we change your life, I think that we help you get through your commute, I believe that we give you better entertainment than anything you can find in the mainstream. You're probably paying between $100 and $200 a month for your stupid cable, and more and other dumb shit you don't need, but okay.

2:33:32 And then just give us the abuse. People who support the show, thank you very much. I think it's a great idea, John. How many people is it in total? How many is it? That 1%? How many people actually support this show? 4,000 maybe? Is that the number? That's about right, four to five. So why don't we just do a private podcast for those 4,000? I think that's the right way to go. Yeah, why not? I mean, obviously, you know, it doesn't help getting new people, but... I don't care that no one seems to give a shit about us. I have a stack of stuff that I've worked on. A stack. I've got a whole thing about Syria. I've got space wars. I've got the war on weed. I've got elites. I've got Gitmo Nation. I've got some on bullying. I've got some on banksters. None of it is going to be played today because we're stopping. What's your last clip so we can end this?

2:34:27 We can do a teaser here, this would be good for the next show, which is, here's this, they had a bunch of hearings and now about the sequester with the military. They finally given up on having the chief of staffs guy, they bailed out. And they left it up to the second rate guys to come in. So hold on a second, I'm also stopping the stream. I'm stopping the stream. We'll just continue like this, they don't need a stream, fuck them. So they tried to get the second rate guys in and I just got the biggest kick out of this army guy, the representative from the army, complaining about Iran and pronouncing it wrong. Then he's not on the inside if he's saying... Yeah, but just listen to this little thing of all this list of all these little things going on supposedly.

2:35:16 Iran remains the single most significant regional threat to stability and prosperity. Reckless behavior and bellicose rhetoric characterize a leadership that cannot win the affection of its own people or the respect of any responsible nation in the region. Iran's continued support to the murderous Assad regime in Syria coupled with its malign activities in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Bahrain, Yemen, and Gaza, and globally in Sudan, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Thailand, India, Georgia, Bulgaria, Nigeria, and even here in Washington DC, in an attempt to kill the Saudi ambassador, and elsewhere in the world. And elsewhere, there's other places I haven't mentioned. Where else is there?

2:36:05 So I have a whole thing on the Golan Heights, on the UN convoy that's been hijacked by the so-called Free Syrian Army, the UK sending in armored tanks, the whole thing that's going on. But we're not going to do that today because I'm ending the show. We're stopping it right here. I'm done and support us and then we'll see if we do it on Sunday. I have better things to do with my life. What? I'm kind of interested in your theory. About Syria yeah, well you can hear that on Sunday. You can hear that What I got a couple things to that I've left out here. Yeah, but you know we're cutting it off It's what is all right, so this puts you 39. We're 239. We're way too long 239. We're done. Yeah, we're done. It's 239 It's with that's already nine minutes too long and I and we'll see how I feel on Sunday after my Saturday speech Well be oh yeah, it works so well

2:37:08 Okay, well sign off my friend. I don't even I have to go get my pass today I don't feel like getting that all right. Go get your pass coming to you from Austin, Texas in the morning I'll talk to you on Sunday and for brother Silicon Valley. I'm John C. DeVore and I'll talk to you on Sunday