Kill Bill

00:03 From behind the invisible bars that encompass the reality, we call Gitmo Nation. This is your weekly tune-up, we call it no agenda. Coming to you from a sunny southern England in Gitmo Nation East, I'm Adam Curry. And in Gitmo Nation West, also known as Northern Silicon Valley. The place that doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. But I tell people to tell the cab driver to take you there. John, let me start this week's show off with some excellent news. You ready? Okay, we have now reached over 100,000 listeners per episode. Oh we have in fact two weeks ago We did a hundred it's progressive obviously so you know people are behind and catch up two weeks ago We did a hundred and thirty five thousand and we're already over a hundred and one thousand for last week

00:55 Well, I think we, uh, all we need to do now is plead. Beg. For it to double. We need to get to a quarter of a million. Yeah, that's our next milestone. But you know what? We didn't even do anything. We just focused on it and it happened. No, we did one week. Remember we begged and begged people to tell a friend. Yeah, but that's different. You know, you and I had talked about, you know, getting celebrity guests on, you know, getting Britney Spears on. We had all kinds of fabulous plans. Just goes to show. But we're too lazy. That would be it. Too busy or just too damn lazy. I can also tell, I can really tell though that the audience is up because I'm getting more hate mail than usual. Oh, hate mail. That's a good sign. Yeah. What do they hate you for? What is with the hate? A lot of hate, interestingly enough, about my comments on vaccination.

01:44 Oh, right. I mean like a lot of people in the medical field. What did you say? I don't even remember. On this show or was it a daily source code? Well, it's been back and forth. We talked about it briefly last week. In fact, one of those emails you were copied on and I can't remember what it was honestly, John, but I'm sure it was me saying something to the effect of, don't let the government stick needles in your children. Oh. Yeah. So anyway, but it's just a you know after doing this for well doing podcasts for four years Been in radio since I was 15. You know when the audience grows you can just feel it so welcome everybody Come on now we'll be correct now. We'll suck. Yeah exactly come into uncle Ernie's holiday camp where we fiddled about

02:32 So I understand it was really still it was like lousy weather back there. The people were getting flooded schools are being closed Yeah, unbelievably today has been absolutely fantastic But yes in the Midlands and in the north where that always happens just because of the geography flooding But the weather has just been extremely bad. Until of course they flipped on the Large Hadron Collider, now it's all clearing up. So I guess there's some benefits. But the worst thing actually is the wheat crop. And no one's really talking about that here. They grow wheat? Yeah, for bread and stuff. In England? Yeah, oh yeah. What do you think they make those crop circles in?

03:20 Oh, I think, now that you mention it, yeah, I guess it would be, it could be something. So the problem is that the rain wiped out like, you know, it's a third of the normal crop that they would have. So prices of wheat are now triple what they normally are. And now they're gearing up to import wheat from Germany, interestingly enough, who had a banner year. They did 20 or 25 percent better than normal. But it's rough, man. I mean, yeah, you think just bread, but I think wheat is used in a lot of stuff, so it is going to impact food prices once again. Yeah, and the funny thing is when the food prices go up, they don't usually come down. Well, look at gasoline. Oil going down, gasoline going up. It makes so much sense. My gasoline is going down around here. I don't know what you're talking about.

04:15 The oil prices are going to collapse. I mean right now it seems just teetering. Oh yeah, once it gets, I think the next bottom is probably, it's got to be like 95 or something and then it's just going to slide all the way down to 60. That'd be nice if it gets back to 40. Yeah, I don't know if they're going to manipulate it down that far. They're cutting back production, they're doing all these things now to try to prop it up because they're freaked. I was talking to my buddy, my Halliburton friend, who works for a UK company which does all infrastructure for oil drilling projects. He knows a lot about this stuff.

04:53 and he says that today to get oil out of the ground the actual infrastructure and people it's already around forty dollars just to forty to forty five dollars per barrel just to get out of the ground it's double that if you if you try to get out of like the North Sea as an example and that's because it's just that the equipment isn't there the people aren't there they cannot recruit enough people to do the surveys to do the work i mean it's it's a it's unbelievable the supply and demand of the workforce in the materials is just boosted that price that the the ground floor base price up i wonder what they pay somebody to be on an oil rig oh it's huge money oh dude i know a cab driver taxi eric who you will meet when you go to amsterdam because he will be driving you around uh... that he was on the uh...

05:50 on one of the drilling platforms in the North Sea and it was like, I think it was two weeks on, one week off and he said, you know, it was great money. He said he had to stop because it was just, he was freaking him out how dangerous it really was. But yeah, it's like, like those crab-tolling boats. Well, it was great money. I mean, what are we talking about here? At least double what he's making on the cab. So, you know, for manual labor, I think great work. We need to get some specifics. I'll ask him. Is it $100 an hour? I'll ask him. I'll ask him. But, um... I know the guys who... I have a couple of friends who ended up going to Iraq and they live in the green zone. They're private contractors. Huge money, I'll bet. Huge money. Hundreds of thousands of dollars, like two, three hundred thousand dollars a year just to... I've actually heard that they're, um... that they've paid off, uh... you know, there's like $35,000 spot bonuses to lieutenants and captains in Iraq. Hmm. Yeah. Well, that's the surge.

06:48 Maybe it's just a surge of money, surge of taxpayers' money. A money surge, that's right! Speaking of oil and surge, the big news this weekend over here in the United Kingdom is the bankruptcy of XL Travel. XL what? XL, I think it's travel or aviation, let me see. It's a package tour company. Why would that be big news? Because 89,000... We got Lehman Brothers going down the tubes in very... Listen to me. I'm getting to your bottom in a second.

07:27 Lima...uh...XL... There's 89,000 Britons who are now in vacation destinations who can't get back. Oh, I see. You think that's a problem? That's a good number. 89...here, it's 50,000 passengers stranded who booked with XL Tour operators, 10,000 who booked with the airline because it's a combo deal where you can get it separately, 25,000... Oh, these like... Oh, shit. I'm sorry. not to be your this connection got weird okay i got you the uh... are these like charter flights is that the reason because normally when i booked through if i'd book through a travel company give me some tickets i have a take a round trip on united and i don't know when you know i know they have they had their own aircraft and it's a it's kind of an interesting company it's a it's a hybrid so they uh... they typically book vacations with the flight the can also just book a flight because they're they're so big

08:25 uh... they had two hundred thousand advanced bookings those people their money's gone uh... the guy the the chairman philip what he was crying on television dude literally crying although i don't get it i mean who what the hell is the regulator over here doing if these guys were in such dire straits you'd think that maybe you want to check on their maintenance and some other stuff they knew about it so what was the the rationale for the folding uh... i mean oh um... also they had some of the converted a line of credit from Barclays into a loan and then Barclays said, okay, that's it, no more money. And all of their suppliers, i.e. landing fees, airports, etc., and of course fuel, required immediate cash payments. And so it just, you know, it's just that magical moment. Cascaded, thanks to Barclays. Yeah, thanks to Barclays, I would say. Well, you know, but Barclays was probably right.

09:21 The thing that's gotten so expensive for any airline, certainly in Europe, is the CO2 tax. That's what's really killing everybody. I'm sorry? The CO2 tax? This is where it's headed here too, some bogus tax. Let me see here, what else can we tax these guys for? You know, I like the CO2 idea because it's kind of so nebulous, you know, you can't prove it one way or the other. So let's just tax them for their emissions. Aren't they already being taxed for the gas when they buy it going in? Shouldn't that account for this? No, no, no. Let's just make another tax out of the blue and we'll call it CO2 tax and nobody will complain about it because all these green

10:02 freaks will think it's just cool. I'm sure you blogged this somewhere and I can't remember who it was, it was some official and he came out and said you need to eat less meat to save on carbon emissions. Did you read that story? Yeah. It's like amazing, it's like you know because this is what's gonna happen next. First they're gonna absolutely they're gonna say look okay you've got four four hundred uh... head of cattle they all take a dump about this is all the vegans i'm telling you this is a bunch of vegetarian, vegan, whatever you want to call them people behind all this. It's the greenies man! Damn greenies. So the next thing of course as they've now successfully taxed one of the four elements of life being sunlight, water, oxygen and carbon dioxide uh... is uh... you're going to be taxed on how much you speak

10:51 That could be. We're toast. You and me. Well, we get double taxed because what comes out of our mouth is bullshit, which is also, of course, harmful to the environment. Methane. It's lethal methane, emitting from their orifices. Alright, you ready for Lehman Brothers? Is that bottom there yet, John? You sure? You think there's a bottom here? Yeah, we're bouncing around it. I can feel it. Dude, it's Lehman. It's Washington Mutual. It's Merrill Lynch and This morning. I don't if you read the papers yet The so first the the congressional budget what is it office? I think or oversight? Is nuttle guy or whatever it's Nusselt whatever his name is he said oh I think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be on the books of the US government and

11:43 and uh... boy that got turned around it's a one hell the gun to his head said uh... i don't think you really want to say that did so now he's uh... he's pulled back itself running this guy is a total uh... total reptilian he's an insider he used to work at the treasury his wife is uh... connected uh... looking for his name but it's uh... that that's uh... that's a pretty big here it is uh... what's his name jim nussel Director of the White House Office of Management and Budget. Yeah, this guy should be told not to talk to anybody ever. So the way... well, that's kind of his job.

12:29 Oh. But the way I understand it is... Doesn't mean he has to do it. That's true. The way I understand it is that the Treasury is now, of course, they're doing another weekend deal, and Paulson has said, no way, we're not going to bail him out. Lehman has the same debt window, you know, the discount window facility. So, you know, you guys, you other bankers, let's go figure it out. We split it up into pieces and no one wants to do it. Which means to me that there's just either there's no value left in the company or it's too damn difficult to actually figure out what the value is.

13:09 You know, it was weird. Some guy came out with a book on this, on Lehman going under, about 3 or 4 or 5 months ago, and it was on CNBC being grilled by that morning crew. And the guy was pretty... he says, here's the questions that need to be answered. And he was talking about some things that were on the books that had no explanation. And he says, and I have talked to the company directly and they've never answered these questions in Bobo and these guys are just kind of like grilling him as though, you know, this can't possibly be true. I was kind of stunned by, although I was not totally stunned, but there's still this wishful thinking in the community out there, the people who cover this topic for the public, you know, on CNBC or wherever they are. And this includes the thing about the oil manipulation that we documented to death

14:07 And, um, the fact that it was, you know, this illegal, essentially speculation done... That's a front. That's just a cover. That's not the real... That's not what's really happening, John. It's being manipulated, but the whole traitor thing, that's just a front. I'm convinced of it now. But anyway, I digress. Yeah, and boy, you digressed into the sea. What are you talking about? This is being, this is not being, this is... Now don't tell me that you think it's space aliens. Only if you make my, if you give me my theme tune. No, this is the IMF and the World Bank, they're manipulating it. They know, they know exactly what they're doing. And they're doing it, and they're successful at it because they're bankrupting the Middle East. Look at what's happened with Russia.

14:55 uh... big part of it of course is because of uh... the georgia conflict uh... you know people are going belly up their gag oil companies freaking out i think that i think this is completely orchestrated and at the same time what what is everyone calling for what it what are the republicans calling for drill baby drill well orchestrated to what and it's a financial orchestration for to what and To bankrupt the Middle East, you said? Yeah, to bankrupt the Middle East, to bankrupt Russia, to get rid of... I think the whole financial... I think the plan was, honestly, now that I look at it, the plan was probably to destroy the whole system to start off with. The whole system? The whole financial system. And oil is tied right into that. It's money. To what end?

15:52 To what end? To uh... Yeah. Well to uh... kill people! I mean to what end? There's gotta be a goal. Yes, the goal is to kill people. To reduce the population. What do you want to kill and why? Or to reduce the population? Is this where you're going with this? That's certainly a direction I'm starting to look, yeah. Oh. Yeah, for sure. Okay, well you know... I'm not quite ready to expand on it but uh... Well, mull it over. It's all a part of the same thing. It's the same thing with the vaccinations. So how... there comes the letters. That's why I mentioned it. So what have you been drinking recently? No man, nothing at all. I've been smoking... Tea? No, I haven't been smoking either.

16:38 I'm completely clear-headed. So you're not drinking tea? Actually, today I decided to change and I'm drinking coffee for the show. Oh God. You're not a coffee personality. You wanna laugh? Of course you do. So actually I decided to try out some of the freeze-dried coffee that I bought, which I've stocked up on with a number of other essential life-saving ingredients for when the food crisis hits Britain. So I can make all kinds of stuff here at home and I figured I'd try some, see how it tastes, and it's not bad. You're drinking instant coffee? Freeze-dried, yep. It's all freeze-dried nowadays, I think. There must be some little evaporative coffees left.

17:29 Um, huh. Oh dude, here's the big news from over here. Did you hear about the tunnel fire? Yeah, I heard about that. That did get in. In fact, we blogged it. That was pretty severe. Yeah, I guess it closed down the whole, the one side of the tunnel, the transport side. Yeah, for, it's now going on three days. I mean, this thing burned for like nine hours, a thousand degrees centigrade. And what's interesting to me, John, is not one single newspaper, and I just went to the newspaper stand to pick up my Financial Times Weekly, or Weekend. Not one single newspaper even hinted of terrorism. Even though there were explosions, there was fires, all kinds of shit going on. How come no one talks about that? What is up with that?

18:17 You know there was some mention of it in the in our side of the well not it wasn't like played up much I mean, I mean bush didn't come out or anything. I mean it was just kind of in passing and they decided it wasn't what was the final determination? What caused this fire? They still have not been able to explain that but they did there was there were all kinds of chemicals toxic really toxic shit and I could probably find, actually looked it up, I forgot the name of it. Phenol, that's what it was. Phenol? Phenol, yeah, phenol. Nasty stuff. That's very nasty stuff. There was a tanker full of phenol and that went up. Phenol? Yeah. They shouldn't allow that in the channel. They can make phenol on the continent. They don't need this ship. Where was it coming from? Well, I guess it was coming from the UK, but it's very easy to make, I understand. Yeah, phenol is just a common... Like a by-prodder.

19:11 It's a common, commonly used chemical in the industrial, in chemical production of all kinds of things. Plastics, drugs and everything else. Yeah, they also used to inject that into people in World War II and kill them, according to which. They used to work with the stuff in Union Oil. It's very interesting. One of the things about it is you, it's like a lot of these other chemicals. Anyone who's been a professional chemist for any period of time realizes they all do this. Especially when you're working with some of these toxic materials, you're sniffing yourself constantly. Because the stuff splashes, you get like little micro droplets on yourself.

19:52 and uh... and you'll feel sniffier your hand you'll just be sniffing away all over and just to see if you can you can spot a micro droplet of phenol if it lands on you because this is not burning your flesh uh... well it does a little bit i mean you can't just a little it's in bird does but you can smell it has is very distinctive odor sexy quasi pleasant and um... Then you just wash it off or you put something to counteract it, just to change its structure. But you'd get, you know, you do that, but phenol is, the problem with phenol is it turns into, apparently when it is absorbed through the skin, this is from years ago, I can't remember the details, but it's absorbed into the skin is the problem if you get it on you. And it is slightly corrosive, but it gets into your system and then it turns, it goes through the liver and kidneys and turns into benzene, which is really a bad thing to have inside you.

20:50 and it's a carcinogenic. So I'm told. I'm reliably informed. I don't know, but yeah. I'm looking at the most recent article to see if they have any news on what caused it. But some of the eyewitness accounts were that there were multiple explosions. Here today it says temperatures reached as high as 1000 degrees Celsius according to the French Interior Minister. It's interesting because I don't see why you get explode unless you're getting some kind of weird reactions. I mean, what kind of chemicals are they carrying in these tankers? Because phenol is not explosive, you know, per se. Yeah, I'll have to look. That was in yesterday's paper, I think. So apparently they said it was going to resume this morning. I haven't heard any news reports that actually did resume yet. But I saw all the lorries, as we call them, all lined up. And I'm like, oh, man, that could disrupt the supplies.

21:48 Well, you know, it seems to me that if it was terrorism, they would have made a big deal about it. Or maybe it was actually, you know, like a real honest mistake and something went wrong and it wasn't one of those planned false flag operations that they usually dish out and they didn't have time to get to the press office for this one. You know, most of your stuff is pretty wacky, but that one is almost good. I mean, that's within the range of, well, you know, it's possible. Well, let's talk for a second about the liquid bombers on airplanes then. Another huge news story this week in the United Kingdom. I hope that trickled over to Gitmo Nation West. No, no, I didn't hear this one. You're kidding me! Oh my goodness. More liquid bombers? No, this is... They must be sick of these guys bringing in all these little bottles of liquids. No, no, you're gonna love this. So, they convicted

22:38 Out of the seven guys, the ringleader they had to let go. They couldn't convict him of anything. They could only convict three of these guys. And from the documents it's now apparent that they had not built a single bomb. Most of them did not have passports. They certainly had not booked any tickets. and the jury said we cannot convict them of even plotting to blow up airplanes by carrying liquids onto the aircraft and mixing them on board. So they were convicted of conspiring murderous action.

23:15 And these guys themselves say, well we just wanted to make a little bang somewhere in London to get attention for some kind of documentary they were making or something. Which is why they had this high quality jihadist videos. Of course I can't understand what they're saying, but I'm told that they're jihadist videos. So these guys were making like a movie or a documentary and they were clearly twisted. But they were not, according to the jury, not contemplating blowing up airplanes with liquid bombs. So Virgin Atlantic is the first one, I love these guys, the first ones who come out and say, okay great, that's fantastic. Now that that's all settled, can we please stop the ridiculous fucking bullshit of no more than 100 milliliters of liquid being carried onto the plane. And you know what the response was from the government or from the court?

24:04 We gotta retry these guys. They're literally gonna retry them. I mean, double jeopardy is already gone here. It's like, okay, you were convicted, you're guilty, but not of that. Well, we gotta go back again, I'm sorry. And for these guys, we're let go, free, not convicted. They could probably trump up some new charges. I mean, the great thing about today's legal system is that the double jeopardy thing has always been a crawl or a stone in the crawl. I can't remember the phrase. It's always gotten these... A thorn in the side. It's a thorn in the side, there we go, of these prosecutors and so you make the law so complicated if you can't, okay, you're out on law, you know, sections this is this, but there's section this, this, and this, we're going to refile with a different, you know, charge. You know, like the one you said they got convicted of planning murderous acts or talking badly about the... I don't know. Exhaling CO2, you dirty bastards.

25:02 So, I mean, essentially there's an limitless number of laws that you can be prosecuted under if somebody's out to get you. And, you know, or to make a point. Now, there must be some other reason to keep these liquids off of planes. I can think of one. I've traveled with people who overpack. and bring entire bottles of shampoo that are like this huge bottle of some shampoo you get on sale at Costco that's got a pump at the top, and they pack it with their suitcase and luggage and they go to Europe for three days. with this big giant bottle of shampoo or whatever it is. I mean, there's, I think, anything to encourage people to travel lightly, charge them for extra bags. I'm all for it. Charge them for extra bags, keep the liquids off the planes. It's mostly to keep people from overpacking. Okay. All right. I see it a little bit differently. Just a little bit. No, I'm, you know, and it's weird because

26:02 you think to yourself, well, you know, great, they can actually, you know, so it wasn't a threat, the scientists are on record now in, you know, mainstream newspapers saying, look, it's just really not that easy to go mix up something powerful enough on an airplane with multiple elements, and then you think to yourself, well, great, now so they can just remove all those stupid restrictions. But in the back of your mind, you've got something going like, well, Shit, you know maybe we've even I've been conditioned at this point to Yeah, well, yeah, well everybody has them and that's the idea We're just a bunch of robots But you know the funny thing the joke of this is is you can make a pretty damn good explosive with three ounces of I can name a couple of chemicals that are liquid That would blow the back of the plane off. I mean, it's just so the whole thing is bull. Yeah, I mean, well, of course It's all bull. I still love Heathrow Airport where you where you go through X-ray and then you go through an Passport exit where they would basically some

27:03 monkeys sitting there just comparing the name on your passport to the name on your ticket but they look all official and scary and shit. Well now they're holding it up too which cracks me up. Yeah, yeah, let me hold that up to the light for a second here and let me just compare. Oh yes, oh could you please take off your glasses? Now whatever. And then they've got, they've also got this, at least in the states, they've got this little, now all of a sudden they have this little blue light of some sort and they scan it over your driver's license looking for the code on there. I don't know what the hell they're doing. And then you're supposed to walk straight into a fishnet-like trap where there's another x-ray machine, but that's only for shoes. And I've made it a sport! And I get away with it every single time. You know, so there's someone there who's supposed to corral these eight lines of passport exit stands into the shoe x-ray line. Now right off to the right-hand side is a bureau de chance, where you can, you know, exchange money.

27:59 And so, either I'll walk straight that way and then pretend that I'm looking at the exchange rates and then just walk through. Or, if they're looking at me, I'll fumble around with my bag or, you know, with my passport or whatever, and I'll just wait until they're not looking, and then I just walk right past. It's total horse shit. I don't know what you... we don't have... I don't know... now what is this again? You have a separate thing at the end? Because our shoes are taken off. I know. No, no, no, no, no, no. They decided... this is very British of course because... Now where... this is at Heathrow? Yes. The taking off... Terminal 1 or 2. The taking off of the shoes is of course a big pain in the ass because there's really no place, there's no infrastructure in Heathrow, which is at shambles anyway, to put your shoes back on. So what they do is you go through the regular x-ray, interestingly enough you don't have to take your laptop out of your bag at Heathrow, just to show you the inconsistency.

28:53 And then they have a separate x-ray where you take off your shoes, put your shoes through the x-ray, and then they have little seats there so you can sit down and put your shoes back on. So it's, they're trying to do it to make it more comfortable for you. By the way, that's the guy that we should go find and beat up, which is that shoe bomber. Really? We should stop with that shit too. That's just outrageous. It's stupid, I know, but the fact is the guy who triggered it, I think we should, when these guys trigger these things, and I would include those liquid bomber guys, I think they should be put in stocks in a public place. I think there should be like an area, there should be a, since they're, you know, they're in this kind of thing anyway. Public shaming. There should be an area where you can't get right up to them and punch them, but you can throw things at them. Public shaming, I'm all for it.

29:41 I've also always said that I'm all for executions being aired on prime time in the United States. You and me both. But you know, I think, I mean, I've thought about this and I think a lot of people have, but everyone, oh it's too sick. Yeah, right. Duh. It's totally sick. That's the point. You think it might be some bit of a deterrent? You think it might work? We show everything else. We show all the trials. We don't even show dead military personnel anymore. We show all the gore and horror. But when we actually put some law into effect, we're too pussy to show it on television. In fact, I'd be more than happy to produce that show. It's a great reality show. It's called On Death Row. And you know how it ends. Each episode ends the same way.

30:30 You know, the thing is, that's the interesting thing here is that the people have, there's a pro and con when it comes to like the death penalty and everybody who's against it says, you know, it's deterrent, it's not a deterrent, it's not a deterrent. And the fact of the matter is it's not a deterrent because nobody sees it. Yeah. I mean, it's just a theoretical thing. You know, it's like, oh, it's a death penalty. Okay, the guy was executed. There were a few protesters out front. Remember how shocked we all were at the, I was thinking about this just the other day, about the Saddam Hussein hanging video? Yeah. But you know what? There's a lot of young kids who are going, shit, man, I ain't gonna become Saddam Hussein. That fucking blows.

31:10 I think, I think, and by the way, I'm against corporal punishment. Just so I can stop Corporal? Corporate. Corporate? Capital. Corporate? What kind of punishment are you against? Capital punishment. Oh, there we go. But corporal punishment's okay. I'm totally against taking a life for any reason whatsoever, but since we're doing this stupidity, maybe we'd get a different idea if we actually showed what that entails when you see people who are flopping around when one injection isn't enough. You know, show that. Go ahead, show it. Show what it really means to kill a human being. The electric chair would be the one to go with. Exactly. Show that, with their eyes popping out of their sockets. But as you know, I think the guillotine might be interesting too. Hell in a handbasket. There you go.

31:54 That's the name of the show. To Hell in a Handbasket, a new reality show this season on Fox. It would be hot. People would... Although you'd be... I don't know, you know, it'd be interesting to see just as a sociological experiment, I wonder what kind of ratings it would get. Would the family sit around and watch it and make the kids watch? It would be through the roof. Through the roof. And it just amazes me, I got hooked into watching a whole bunch of videos from TMZ.com yesterday. Patricia's recording another show in Holland, so there's no one to talk to, and my daughter's 18, she doesn't give a shit about me. Oh, poor Adam's home alone. That's right. Just me and my gold. And so I'm sitting here with my Krugerrands.

32:45 So I'm sitting around and I'm watching these videos, and have you ever watched this TMZ stuff? It's really amazing because here are people who are so brash and so mean and these paparazzi, and paparazzi is a big word, it's just idiots with a video camera, and they'll stick this camera in a celebrity's face and ask all these horrible questions you know, just egging them on to either grab the camera or say something that of course will be headline news and that's what these guys want because then they get to sell their video all over the world or their photos or whatever. And there's so many of these people

33:23 attacking these celebrities and de-lebrities, but not one of them has the fucking courage to do it to, like, a politician! You know, and really hound a politician and ask him the really tough questions. It's just outrageous to see that we've got the people with the equipment, we've got the people who do the research, okay, it's research on Lindsay Lohan, but they're doing the research, why can't we get them to do that about real things that matter? Real news. I think the politicians would, there would be a backlash. I think they'd pass legislation to screw these guys, they'd be out of business. They don't want that. Well, that legislation would be interesting to see. At least it would be honest.

34:07 No, it's something. So I'm never expecting to see what you're describing, which would be good. I mean, that's what should be happening. I mean, Reese, of course, you know the thing going on here is still the never-ending hounding of Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin, yeah, I've been following that. It's the same over here. All the news media just copy and paste whatever's coming over the wire. And so, but what's weird is you listen to the two sides, like you listen to Rush Limbaugh's interpretation of what's going on and then you listen to Bill Maher's interpretation. So you have the extreme, you know, the right wing and the left wing both, you know, talking about, you know, it's almost like the guy's describing the elephant, you know? I mean, it's unbelievable. Everybody sees things totally differently. And the fact is, though,

34:53 I think they're overdoing the bashing because it's unwarranted and it's actually making the Democrats look like extremely mean... mean-spirited, mean, evil people. And they don't seem to get that. And when they, and when it's pointed out to them, they say, well, maybe that's the way it has to be. We should be, we should go more on the offensive. We should be more like the, more like the Karl Rovians, you know, and be, you know, and be attack dogs and go out and be negative. Go negative, go negative. And they're gonna do that. I think this campaign is gonna go extremely negative and it's gonna be hilarious. I think it's just gonna be a laugh riot. It's gonna be fantastic.

35:31 Well, it is the greatest show on earth and that's all that it is. These people who are up for election won't actually run anything, they're just actors. The best one, the best president we had was an actor. And that's what people miss, you know, this is, it's all about the show. And it's, it's, it's no different than managing Amy Winehouse. No, no, no, no press. No, we have a press stop. You can't talk to Amy. And then, you know, it's like, then we'll, okay, let's go on Good Morning America, Charles Gibson. He's in our pocket. We got him. And he'll ask really easy questions. And he'll ask the tough questions in a rehearsed way. It's show business. I keep saying it. Show business, or politics is show business for ugly people. In this case, you know, they're even learning that because Sarah Pamelin is not ugly.

36:20 No, she's, I think she's fine looking. My wife doesn't think much of her. Anyway, so this Sarah Palin thing is continuing. So what we have to do, somebody wrote in and said, and by the way, somebody mentioned to me that we should mention the lipstick on the pig thing, which everybody, which is another phony baloney deal going on where, you know, Obama said it's like lipstick on a pig, which to most of the Republicans was a callback to the convention because Sarah Palin had this joke that it's all lipstick. stick. But meanwhile, you know, so they said, no, no, it's just an accident. People say lipstick on a pig all the time. And John McCain said it five years ago. And here's the, you know, blah, blah, blah. I'm thinking that right now. It was really clear. It was very clear what, what Obama said. Well, here's what made it clear that nobody talks about. This is why I thought it was totally clear. He goes from the lipstick on the pig reference, which was just an insult,

37:07 to talking about fish and how fish stinks. You put the fish, it's like stinky fish, which is a female reference that's used by the lower classes. It's extremely insulting and nobody, and it was the follow-up to Lipstick on a Pig. There's no doubt in my mind what this was intended to indicate. Well, when I heard Lipstick on a Pig, I was shocked. I was literally shocked because I knew immediately, because I had seen that bit where Sarah Palin says, you know, the only difference between a what you say, uh, pit bull and a hockey mom is lipstick. So it was really clear. And I was just like, wow, man, you calling a woman a pig? That's a, that's a big deal. And then I thought back to our conversation from last week where you said the democratic party in general is ageist and sexist. And like, there it is fucking ageist and sexist.

37:58 Yeah, totally ageist and sexist. But anyway, the follow-up stuff about the fish, all the fish references to me was even more insulting. But nobody wanted to touch that one because for one thing it became obvious, and the second thing was it was extremely insulting to even bring it up in a conversation. But I thought the whole thing was very referential and deferential. Do you have the exact quote that he used? Was it Obama who said that? Yeah, Obama, he goes on and on about lip-sticking on a pig, and then he goes on and on about it's like having dead fish, stinky dead fish in a newspaper, it just stinks, and he went on and on and on about the fish. And it was right after, I saw the whole thing, he was in a library someplace discussing this, and you know, it was all rehearsed.

38:43 and uh... he got huge laughs from this audience and i mean there is a list of the kind of pig they're all senior also nor clamped and i think i think i think i have a study and they had all these kind of dirty little uh... dweebs And so it was obvious what was going on. And then it went into the denial thing, by the way, which I always get a kick out of. It reminds me of what used to be professional wrestling, where somebody would come out. They don't do this anymore. I'm always shocked by this. But the wrestler would go beat the crap out of some guy and then he'd somehow turn around and the guy would beg him. He'd beg, no, no, no, no, don't hurt me, I'm, I'm, don't hurt me. And he'd be on his knees begging and then as the guy said, okay, I won't hurt you, then boom, he gives him one. Yeah, right, right, right, right. You know, that is an old...

39:27 They don't do that anymore. There's none of the begging. There's no more begging. But anyway, Obama goes into this, oh no, it was just a mistake. Oh, you're kidding. Oh, I didn't mean that. You're the one who's got the dirty mind, which is another trick that comedians use, which is you make a lewd reference and then you act so shocked when everybody notices it. Exactly. Let's see, maybe this is the one. I just want to see if I could find that quote. Let's see what this is. I want to say a few words about the latest made-up controversy. Oh no, that's not it. No, this is his reaction to it. Yeah, yeah, no. You have to get the original. That's what I'm looking for. Which just predates that. Yeah.

40:07 By the way, when he goes into the made-up controversy... By the way, I'm getting tired of this guy's cadence. Yeah. I mean, he was on Letterman... I saw a couple clips from Letterman. How was he? Was he good? He was funny. Yeah. Yeah, he was outstanding. He's a really smooth guy, but he's still got the cadence when he's giving his speeches. He's actually more... He's kind of... He's got a good personality. He's funny. He's not a joke maker, but he seems to have a sense of humor. and uh... but the cadence this this haughty cadence which is actually sounds a lot like john kerry i think is going to wear it thin you know the more they put him on the air because he just talks like a guy who's you know talking down to you here comes but anyway let's just list this for a second john mccain says he's about change too and so i guess his whole angle is watch out george bush except for economic policy, healthcare policy

41:06 tax policy, education policy, foreign policy, and Karl Rove style politics, we're really gonna shake things up in Washington. That's not change. That's just calling the same thing something different. But you know, you can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. Ah, shit. The fish thing isn't on here. I'll look for it later. Yeah, well it follows up with the fish stuff. Yeah, I'm sure it does. Everybody cut that out. But that to me was the confirmation. Was that also an Alaska reference, I guess? What, the fish? Yeah. I don't know. No, the fish is a reference to vaginal secretions, to be honest about it. Yeah, exactly.

42:06 And it's something that you wouldn't... I mean, first he gets the big... We got the big laugh with the lipstick on a pig comet in such a way that was obviously a callback to Sarah Palin. and her mention of lipstick. And then when he started pounding the fish stuff, then I'm thinking, you know, this is ridiculous. This is gonna get slogged for this. And indeed, the next day, you know, or actually that day, the right wing guys were all over it and the left wingers were all snickering. They're all, no, no, no, you guys are just sick to think that. But then nobody again on either side brought up all this fish malarkey.

42:47 I don't know, I think these guys are going in the wrong direction. In fact, it's already been discussed that the youth would be the group that puts these guys over. The young voters who never vote because they think everything's a crock of crap for obvious reasons. And Obama came out as the non-politician politician. And so he was gonna be above it all, and he was gonna do this above it all. And meanwhile, this mean-spirited Democratic base that shows up on the Bill Maher show last night, he had Jeanine Garofalo on, and she's about as crazy as they come. She's a massive truther. Oh, is she a massive truther? Oh, yeah, big time. Yeah, big time. That never came out. But anyway, she just hates the Republicans to an extreme. She said they should all be arrested.

43:37 I mean, even though she's supposedly just kidding. But anyway, so these guys are like so mean-spirited that they're like making Obama do stuff that's going in this direction of being snide and not being above the fray, but being just part of it. And it's gonna turn off the youth voters who are gonna say, eh, you know, yeah, I hope he wins, but I got other things to do, I'm not gonna vote. and they're gonna lose the election because of this kind of thing if they don't get back on their original track which was winning they were winning big with the original track you know just because they take a few some people take a few shots at him like Giuliani at the convention he had some great the guy was doing a stand-up routine it was the funniest thing I've ever seen a guy was great he could have what could have been a politician. You know what it is John what happened is it's it's the whole celebrity thing you know Obama was built up

44:29 uh... and and just like it does have good example is amy weinhaus uh... you know you see this is a great great persona here this great voice you know the song everything's fit together because it's an illusion right you don't actually know this issue that she's human and you never when you when you do this is the old school hollywood system you know you you protect your stars and you micromanage everything and you never ever Let the human side come out unless it's completely orchestrated. So this is not Obama's personal His personal opinion. It's not his words I mean all this shit is is written for him and made up for him But but that's not how you can't do that in the celebrity culture that we live in today when you use that celebrity culture To actually build the guy up because that's what happened

45:18 Well, yeah, no, that is what happened. I mean, he was built up as a celebrity and that's one of the things that they threw back in his face with those early ads, which may or may not have been effective. I think so. Well, I don't know if they were effective or not, but I know that they did, they weren't necessarily effective in terms of like changing anybody's mind, but I think they affected with an A, the perception of the the basic perceptions that the Democrats had of themselves, they found this very offensive because they were kind of playing a celebrity game and then they were busted for it. And then the next thing you know, they're like, well, this is a cheap shot. And then all of a sudden the Paris Hilton video comes out, which was actually the best thing to come out of it. And the whole thing is being twisted. And I think it's like the Republicans started out, there's no reason the Republicans should win this election.

46:15 I mean under any circumstances. I mean under any normal circumstances. You have a president that can't even show up at his own convention, a vice president that doesn't even have a videotape for their own convention. I mean he's not even being mentioned. He was off in Georgia. Yeah, you have an unpopular situation, but then again, the problem that the Democrats really have is that their crappy Congress that was put in office just two years ago was promising all this stuff. They delivered absolutely nothing, which gave the Republicans the possibility of getting in again because the Democrats are as do-nothing as you can be. But meanwhile, they create this guy Obama from an earlier speech in 2004 when he gave that great speech.

46:58 the speech. And they create this, you know, and they get the thing fine-tuned and fine-honed, and it's like the guy can't lose, and everybody just thinks he's a shoe-in, based on the earlier build-up, and then the Republicans just take a, poke a few, you know, just take a needle them a little bit, and the whole thing falls apart. Yep. Then they totally obliterated, with the Sarah Palin pick, they just obliterated Obama's huge appearance is his concert. Yeah, no, they did a good job of killing the concert with that and then they also, she became the target for all this out-and-out hatred of both women and you know her and the fact that she's only been a governor for two years and it's a small state, you know. And the press, the press were all pissed off because they didn't get to vet her.

47:56 Well, you know, if the press is doing its job, because I think it was either on this show or another show, I'm going to have somebody find this reference. I referenced her in May when they first, when she first came up in the conversation. She was mentioned as one of the possible choices and they, that's when the vetting began with the Republican Party, which was in May, which was a number of months back, but she was never put on any of the, on any of the lists at the press, came out with, even though these weren't official lists by the Republicans, they were just making it up as they go along. And then they got irked by the fact that the whole thing came out, apparently, to them, came out of left field when it actually didn't. I just gotta write this down. September 13th, John suggests the press might not have been doing their job. Interesting. Interesting little note there. Hey, let's riff on McCain for a second, because that video that came out blew me away.

48:46 Which one? Well, the one that everyone's been talking about. The one of him being released. Oh yeah, the Swedish video. We have it on the blog, devorek.org slash bloghaveadrink. Right. So here's McCain. And only when I saw your blog post did I realize that the story had been that he came out on crutches. And this was him actually leaving, not entering the States, but leaving Vietnam. But the thing that I saw that took me immediately was he saluted the guy with a high salute. And these days he can't put his arm up above his shoulder level. He can't put his arm up, but he can still salute though because if you look where the elbow is positioned, you don't necessarily have to have it straight up to make a salute work.

49:36 Anyway, interesting video just in general man about his background. But not to mention that he they they had remember hearing a couple of comments I mean you don't need to raise your arm up into the air to salute. You can salute with your, actually you could do it with a tuck if you wanted to look like Benny Hill. It looked high enough for me to actually go compare. And he's much older now obviously and it's not really that important because shit, the guy was really in a prison camp. Right, well it's obvious when you see him today you can see that he can't His arms have limited mobility, and I don't think he's faking that it could have been a progressive thing That's just deteriorated over time because you know there's so much ligament damage or who knows what but yeah He did have a salute he was limping severely so I can see the crutches thing actually happening but the thing that keeps coming up because I

50:28 No, you don't need to lift your arm way up in the air to make a salute. You just need to be able to bend your elbow. But they keep referencing the fact that poor John McCain can't salute the flag, and I'm not sure that's true. No, no, no. I'm trying it right now. Obviously you can salute. You can salute without bringing your arm all the way up. I don't know if it's an official salute. Well, you could do it, yeah. But the other pieces of history... It's not obviously a perfect Marine salute with the 90 degrees and all the rest of it. the uh... what was interesting to me is other information that i didn't know about john mccain uh... so for instance his wife uh... when he came back he was already married i guess when he went off to the vietnam he came back and uh... as wife had been in a really horrible car accident she had like thirteen or fourteen operations and that uh... that really messed with her and well he left her and he left her for uh... cindy who uh... subsequently was on uh...

51:27 all kinds of drugs like uh... was it Vicodin, Percocet, whatever for three years and she was completely completely drugged. She was actually, she had a she had a foundation that would bring drugs to poor nations and she was actually getting the drugs from her own foundation Oh, that's interesting. I mean, you know, she looks, she has a certain look of like an ex... I hate to say this because I don't think she's a totally unattractive woman by any means. She's thin and she looks rich and she has a lot of style and she's very involved in these foundations, but she has the kind of a look of a woman that may have gone through something like that.

52:05 Yeah, apparently it has left some permanent damage, particularly memory damage. So she can't remember things from like two weeks ago. Short-term memory is difficult, and this is by her own admission. So while they're digging up all this shit on Sarah Palin, there's a lot more shit, there's plenty for the Obama camp to do, that's for sure. Yeah, well I'm sure they're going to go after it, but they have to, you know, I know they have to have meetings because stuff like that is pretty hypersensitive, especially it's like, can we go after, here's a, you know, you gotta, the guy's got a, he's immediately got protection or insurance based on this, being five years in a prisoner of war camp.

52:43 And then, you know, do you go after some woman who had a drug problem even though she's... if you looked at her bio that they ran at the convention, it's like, oh my God, how does this woman have any time? She made her pale and looked like she was a lazy fatso sitting around eating bonbons. in terms of the money was stuff that she had going on and she was just like she's got this going on and i go easy did you know you have twenty kids and they did opted it you know about the african child and it went to the minister of whole families and enormous so as a football team when he brought him out and uh... So what are you going to do? How do you attack that without looking like an idiot? The nutty thing is, John, I hope our listeners realize how much of a banana republic the United States is when just this is the actual conversation. This is what it's about, you know, about stinky fish and lipstick on pigs and lack of experience and all this stuff while we're basically in a cold war with Russia.

53:45 and we've got stagflation and on the brink of disaster financially and this is the shit we're talking about. Even we're talking about it. What's wrong with us? Well, you know, what is wrong with us? We should be talking about Lehman Brothers. I can tell you about Lehman Brothers. Ron and I, our first company, Think New Ideas. So we had an option to take that public and Lehman Brothers courted us for, oh man, months. I think it was four or five months. And you know, that's a really difficult process and it really drains on any company just to get that going. It went around in circles and then I can just remember the meeting. We said, hey, you know what? Screw you guys. We're leaving. And we literally walked out and they came running down the street after us.

54:33 And, uh, but we wound up going with some like brown shoe firm with a huge $12 million raise. It was a little bit before the dot-com boom. But Lehman Brothers, yeah. It's interesting to work with a company like that on something of that magnitude, even though for them it was really small. Because it's essentially, the only thing they're doing from the minute you walk in the door is they're looking for reasons not to do it because it could screw up their career. They don't give a shit about if you're going to be successful or not. They just want to guide the IPO. Did you think they were sleazeballs? No. No.

55:16 And they were nice, you know, every meeting they had the bagels and the fruit, you know, that was nice. Well, they're toast now. They certainly are. 150, this is one of the big ones though, these are serious players, these guys. Yeah, yeah, it's a disaster. I mean, the Bear Stearns thing was like, you know, spit in the bucket. I mean, they got out smelling like a rose somehow. by doing it early. If you're going to fail, fail early in the game. Be first to fail. Because after a while they start saying, hey wait a minute, we've seen too much of this, you guys can just sink to the bottom for all we care because people, the government and everybody else gets sick of it and you want to go out early, not late. It's like losing the last game in a football season. I come back to my original statement which is knowing how Wall Street operates and many banks were my clients in our previous company,

56:10 If there's a penny to be made, if there's a basis point to be made, they'll go after it. Unless they don't know that they can go after it. And I think that's the problem. Did you hear, this was also interesting, that because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have gone into conservatorship, That that actually, according to the contracts, and I'm talking about trillions of dollars in derivatives contracts, is a credit event. And all of those deals have to be unwound. And Lehman Brothers is an essential part of that. You know, credit default swaps are a derivative. So I think that it's so big that no one understands how to unwind all of these deals that are poorly documented. Right, now these derivatives of, you know, there's derivatives that go both ways on all these deals. As Lehman Brothers fails, there's other things making, you know, going up in value. And then there's insurance derivatives that insure these companies. Oh yeah, that's outrageous!

57:06 Sorry, go ahead. There was like some, they had this on the other day and there's some guy who's made millions and millions off of these companies off of the Bear Stearns failure because he had a derivative of an insurance that was covering this that if this happened, you know, it would go up and if you shorted it, it would go up. It's unbelievable. I'm thinking. I was going to say that that's been fixed now because everyone's onto that and with Lehman Brothers, uh, no, wait a minute, it was Yeah, with Lehman Brothers, right now it costs, to insure 10 million dollars, it's like 786 basis points. So it's almost a million dollars now to insure 10 million dollars if it's through Lehman, whereas it was like 70,000 or something, like some fraction of what it was just a couple weeks ago. Yeah, it went up a little bit. Hello? Yeah, I'm sorry, your disconnection this week is not very good.

58:03 I think your daughter's downloading something. No, no, no, she's not here. I'm just me and my gold. Someone posted something interesting on my drop. If you go to Google Maps, Ossetia has been wiped off. No longer is the border showing what part of Georgia is Ossetia. Oh really? Yeah, it's been taken off of Google Maps. Has it been made part of Georgia or Russia? Part of Georgia. Yeah, there's a little politics going on there. Oh yeah. I think that's the whole Russian thing is the one, it is the story that we're, I mean, even if we try to piece it together what's really going on I think is gonna, you know, something, the whole thing is flaky. Well something's gotta give somewhere, John. I mean,

58:49 It's like billions, tens of billions of dollars has flowed out from Russia and from the stock market. And now a lot of these oil companies and gas companies are in trouble. Because they can't access capital either. There's just a shortage of actual money and the only solution is to print it. And, you know, no one wants to do that. Well, I don't know, maybe they're trying to for... Here's another theory, if you're going to go that the whole thing is set up by the international banking community or whoever. Which it is. Well, I'm not a complete subscriber to that, but let's just say that they're trying to fix the problem that we have in the United States, which is this unbelievable, you know, debt that we're suffering under. If you look at the most, you know, the countries in the world, there's a CIA document on this showing all the

59:36 the levels of debt that the various countries have. We're not even, nobody's even close to our numbers. We're number one with a bullet, baby. So we're like way out in front. But the way you pay off debts, of course, is with cheap money, and so you want to go into a hyperinflation economy. And then you can basically pay off all your debts really cheap because in hyperinflation, everything all of a sudden starts going up in value, which includes your pay and everything else. So now, say you're working on the basis of making $50,000 a year and you had a $50,000 debt, the debt stays at $50,000, but now because of hyperinflation, you're making $500,000 a year.

1:00:20 So you can pay that $50,000 debt off like there's nothing. It's just 10% of your salary when it was once 100% of your salary. And then of course the next year you're making a million a year and then two million. I mean this happened in Brazil. I have some of the Brazilian notes. I have a 500,000 Cruzeiro note which was worth like, would have been worth like the equivalent of $500,000 and when I got hold of it, it was worth like a buck. So hold on a second. I'm totally with you on this because that is fascinating. So how do they control that? How do they, under the presumption that it is the bankers who are the true owners of the universe and not Lehman Brothers, guys above that,

1:01:05 How do they control that from happening? Do they just go threaten the unions and make sure that wages stay low? I mean, how do you counteract a hyperinflation? When you start to go into an inflationary mode, you have to raise interest rates. Right. But you can only raise them so much before the economy essentially stops dead. It's almost like stalling a plane, right? At this point, you can't raise it because then the housing market will never recover. Right, so you're between a rock and a hard place. They set it up almost as though, you know, once the hyperinflation thing takes off, it's like what happened in Germany in the 30s, once the thing, which could happen in our country in our next decade, which would be the downturn decade based on my cyclical stuff, once the spigot's open on hyperinflation, it's very difficult to control it. It just goes completely crazy.

1:02:01 And I mean, it might take three, four, five, six, ten years before you can get it under control. But meanwhile, during that era, you can pay off all these old debts. And in a hyperinflation environment, what you want to be invested in is real property. Because if you have like a house, It's not going to go down in value in a hyperinflation environment. It's going to go up and it's going to skyrocket as a matter of fact. So your half a million dollar home is going to be worth maybe 50 million for all you know. Then they have to, but essentially... that would fix the problem but it would cause an interesting nobody knows exactly what the end result would be i mean cuz germany went through it and they don't have any you know long-term problems that i can see in their economy brazil's gone through it i think uh... of argentina went through it it's been done i think that i think the the main difference in in this cycle of uh... expansion contraction which of course is how

1:03:01 these true owners of the earth actually make their money by taking our real possessions when they contract everything. is that now there is nothing left. No one has any savings, there's no 401k, there's no home, we don't own our cars. There's nothing left. There's nothing left to create the next bubble with. That's the way I see it. You've got bubble following on bubble and it's a 10 year, whatever that cycle is. And this was part of the housing bubble and then we got the financial bubble and now it's over. There's nothing left to take. No savings, no money, there's just nothing. Well, there's actually, I'm not convinced that your view of the scorched earth is accurate. I mean, I have

1:02:01 And I mean, it might take three, four, five, six, ten years before you can get it under control. But meanwhile, during that era, you can pay off all these old debts. And in a hyperinflation environment, what you want to be invested in is real property. Because if you have like a house, It's not going to go down in value in a hyperinflation environment. It's going to go up and it's going to skyrocket as a matter of fact. So your half a million dollar home is going to be worth maybe 50 million for all you know. Then they have to, but essentially... that would fix the problem but it would cause an interesting nobody knows exactly what the end result would be i mean cuz germany went through it and they don't have any you know long-term problems that i can see in their economy brazil's gone through it i think uh... of argentina went through it it's been done i think that i think the the main difference in in this cycle of uh... expansion contraction which of course is how

1:03:01 these true owners of the earth actually make their money by taking our real possessions when they contract everything. is that now there is nothing left. No one has any savings, there's no 401k, there's no home, we don't own our cars. There's nothing left. There's nothing left to create the next bubble with. That's the way I see it. You've got bubble following on bubble and it's a 10 year, whatever that cycle is. And this was part of the housing bubble and then we got the financial bubble and now it's over. There's nothing left to take. No savings, no money, there's just nothing. Well, there's actually, I'm not convinced that your view of the scorched earth is accurate. I mean, I have

1:03:45 properties and uh... ok john john you and i are in the top one percentile of the universe. I'm looking around my neighborhood there's houses everywhere. John you live in an affluent neighborhood what are you talking about? I live in a middle class area of northern california there's nothing particularly ritzy about it. You know what I'm saying. No I know but I think you're wrong I think the home ownership is extremely high in this country. And yeah, there's a lot of people that were shaken out of their home ownerships. And you think it's over? If you look at the total numbers, there's not that many compared to how many people actually own homes and these homes would be extremely valuable in a hyperinflation environment. Yeah, sure they will be, but the people will never get to it and they're walking away from it. They've been paying off their mortgage with their credit cards. This is... It was unaffordable. It was a gravy train. Everyone was on it. That is a small number of people. Dude.

1:04:39 I so disagree. Everyone was on the property ladder. Hey, you know, just refinance, refi, refi. I mean, look, turn on the television. They're still trying to do it. No, everybody refied, but they didn't necessarily put themselves into a hole doing it. Yes, a lot of people did who just weren't smart. A lot of people is not, it's not the majority of homeowners, that's for sure. How do you know? The numbers, they don't make any sense. Where do you get the numbers from? If it was 10% of the total homeowners, we can do some research. And in fact, I'll bet you there's somebody out there that has the exact numbers. If it was 10% of the total homeowners, I'd be surprised if the number was that big. It's just being exaggerated. Well, then the financial meltdown has very little to do with the housing bubble then.

1:05:27 No, I think it has, I think it's connected, but I think there's other things wrong with the financials. I mean, these guys were, they were doing crazy deals every which way. I mean, they were speculating on the oil. I mean, was it Lehman Brothers or Morgan Stanley, one of the two that has the biggest, they're set in heating oil, I think for this winter, they're the biggest holders of all the contracts. Yeah, 80%. I mean, they're in everything. These guys have gone crazy. Okay, well, one thing's for sure, it's overpriced, but interesting to see if you all of a sudden, instead of making 50 grand, you're making half a million and then you can pay off. I guess that'll only hurt the financial institutions. The banks? Yeah.

1:06:11 Unless they have some small fine print there. Well, you know, they can be... also the banks can be... the banks aren't going to be hurt because they're all going to be out of business. The banks can deal with this because if you really think who's going to get hurt, it's not going to be our banks. It's going to be China. China is the one that holds most of our debt. Yeah, they hold all the debt. They won't do anything about changing the value of their money. They won't do this, they won't do that. They owe all the debt. They threaten us every once in a while. They've done this a couple of times. Oh, you know, we can start dumping your debt on the market. It's gonna be, your dollar's gonna be worthless. They won't do that because they export everything to us. No, they can't, because they'll screw themselves. So they won't do that, but the fact that they threaten it, it means it's a possibility. So say, okay, well let's just go into hyperinflation, take the whole thing into the stratosphere, and we'll pay you guys off, get our money back,

1:07:00 And, you know, screw ya. Here, here have a dollar, you know, here have 700 trillion dollars, you know, which is worth nothing. Right. But can we actually keep the people in line with the hyperinflation? Because that's got to lag behind. No, it always lags behind. But the Brazilians did it the best. And if you go to Brazil and talk about this era, and I was there during part of that era where you couldn't cash your dollars in. You had to cash in like within 10 minutes of your purchase. Because it was just like... Because it was changing so radically. It was fading away. The bankers... Leaving a parking garage, you have to go 100 miles an hour. Otherwise, your parking ticket costs twice as much by the time you get out.

1:07:44 So the banks there are the ones who save the day for the general public, which it is when you got your pay for that week, which would increase on a weekly basis because of the values. You go right into the bank and the bank would have all the mechanisms in place to ratchet whatever they were holding with the inflation. So in other words, the interest rates were quite high. And so you'd get your money in there real quick and then it would ratchet while it was in there. But it didn't, you know, it discouraged actually having cash So which countries did that? I want to look this up. Brazil had one of the more interesting periods and I think that was in, I look in the 70s and 80s, I think something like that. And then Argentina had a bout of this. And I think many of the South American countries had a bout. You can go to Zimbabwe. I actually had Zimbabwe written down on my list of things to talk about with you today because I wanted to understand

1:08:42 Maybe you have an idea. How does this work? Now they've got Tsvangirai, who was elected as the new... leader of the country but they still leave Mugabe in there and he's like still the president or something? How does that work? They can't get rid of the guy. That's crazy! That's crazy! What kind of power does he have? He must have the power of the people behind him. This is what, you know, everyone calls him a murderer. No, he's got the power of the secret police. He's essentially the Shah of Iran. Yeah, but what do you... Oh, come on! The CIA can go in there and kick his ass anytime they want. Do you think they want to?

1:09:22 Well, Zimbabwe or Rhodesia has never acted, no one's ever been able to control it. But yeah, I think they do. Of course they want to. It's just been extremely difficult. Why? Why do they care? It's comedy acting. Everyone's getting a kick out of it. Come on, Zimbabwe has something. I think it's already been pulled out, whatever it is. But I'll tell you this, there's an example of modern hyperinflation. And by the way, somebody sent me a note, I'm gonna thank him later. Trying to get some Mugabe dollars, which are the hyper, now you buy stuff with a brick. The money's so worthless that they brick it up and put a rubber band around it and then you trade in the weight.

1:10:00 of the worthless money but there's these bills that have Mugabe's picture on them and I'm trying to get some Mugabe money. You've only mentioned this five times, you know. I'm mentioning it the last time, I'm not going to mention it again. I mean I'm going to have to go through other channels obviously to get this money. We have more listeners now so it may just happen, you watch, you'll start getting your Mugabe notes. Well some guy said he's got a million dollar Zimbabwe note but it doesn't have Mugabe's picture on it but he's going to send it to me anyway. And so at least I have a million dollar note. A million dollars? It's worth like two cents or a penny. But to a collector it might be worth a dollar. So you know, whatever the case, that's an example of a situation where you have hyperinflation run amok.

1:10:46 I could say, you know, what do you do when you're... See, this is one of the reasons I believe that most of our debt is kept in dollars and that every time someone wants to switch to the euro we get upset about it. I always thought it would be fine if people switched to the euros and then we could reverse the trend of the value of the dollar and then we could kind of screw over anyone who went to the euro. Well, the euro has to come down now. That's what the European Central Bank is realizing. It's got to come down in value. It's too high. I was looking at, and of course every time you mention this, there's always somebody who writes, oh, you don't understand the international mechanisms, because I always like to mention wine prices, and I came up with another one yesterday. So I'm looking at this wine, it's a very small Maydoc wine I thought was pretty tasty. I had it, it was like $13.95, inexpensive, Bordeaux, that was being sold locally. And so I decided to look up the Chateau, which I never heard of before, and I look it up, and there they had it for sale in England,

1:11:45 and one of the better places that has good prices and it was ten pounds ninety. So the wine in England was $22 and the wine here was $14 and I'm thinking, and the wine is coming from France, which is a, you know, you could throw the bottles from Bordeaux and hit London. So it wasn't like a big shipping problem and to get the wine to California, you gotta ship it across the Atlantic Ocean, you know, you put it on a train across the country or you gotta run it around the Panama Canal. I mean, this is a long way. It must be five bucks in shipping to get this bottle of wine over here, yet it's still cheaper

1:12:22 by a good six, seven, eight bucks. What's wrong with this picture? Well, they have to manipulate the markets better. You know, you see this obvious discrepancies about why is somebody in England paying 22 bucks for and in this is a in your listing is obviously sold as a new wine so it's been sold in euros which is you know skewed to toward uh... away from the u s why am i get this stuff so much cheaper here it doesn't make any sense unless the whole system is like cock guide

1:12:58 And that's why I mean it's like this did what I talked about the other week where these you know you go to San Francisco places crawling with Germans and French and Italians and a lot of British and they're buying up the place because it's like they get all this stuff dirt cheap but you look at what they're buying and half the stuff's important imported from Europe. I mean it's like why are you buying this stuff here when you you know it's like when I go to Tokyo and you go to the Ginza and you go to those stores and you look in there they have all this European stuff in there. It's so expensive Then you go, my god, why would I even be buying this stuff? You know, here it's ridiculous. Then you realize it's because it's coming all the way from Europe, you know, and it's showing up in a Japanese store. Yeah, it's not going to be cheaper, but it is here. Let me switch gears on you for a second. Big news about Sotheby's, the auction house, for the first time ever, a living artist, Damien Hirst, have you heard of this guy?

1:13:57 No. This is the guy who does, he does like animals and formaldehyde and really weird art. Okay. So he set up for an auction on, I think it's Monday, which is estimated to sell 65 million pounds worth. This may be the guy who actually did, I wonder if he did the fat council collector or whatever it was that we talked about. eons ago. But anyway, he's going directly through the auction house. I don't know much about auctions, but I do know that when people are worried about something, he's not going through an agent. And now, you know, this is, and of course this stuff is all subjective anyway, and it's, you know, what is art worth other than the materials that it was put together with? Or as Andy Warhol would say, what you can get away with. And so there's, people are thinking this is going to flop.

1:14:56 which would just kill the, well, kill a lot of how the art world is thinking now that all the grandmasters have all been bought up and no one's selling anymore and they're all hidden away or been stolen or whatever and now people are going after living artists. And so it's interesting, it's something that's never happened in their history before. You know, if living artist stuff isn't dirt cheap, No, this guy... Especially when the guys... No, I'm just saying, I'm saying if living artists stuff isn't dirt cheap, it's not gonna move. I mean, the only appeal of living artists, generally speaking, is to have a nice decorative piece of possibly good art, inexpensively, relatively speaking. Well, um, I don't know... So now, who's gonna be paying, you know, this kind of money unless you're projecting into the future that's gonna be worth more? Because it's obviously, when you get into the millions of dollars, it's investment-grade art.

1:15:52 and I don't, I'm not seeing it. But I have to look into this. I read this differently. What I read is that you bypass the dealer. The dealer is of course the key guy because he's the one that inflates the value in the market and is out there doing the PR and the bullshit. Right. So now the artist is going direct. I don't know if 65 million pounds is dirt cheap. I don't see that it is dirty. It's not inexpensive, but let's put it this way. If anyone who go out there, and I think anyone who out there collects art from living artists, 90% of the time if you find an artist you like, you go bypass the dealer anyway. This is one of the reasons the dealers have to mark stuff up because they know this goes on and the artists say, oh, I've got an exclusive with such and such a gallery. That's bull. You can find an artist

1:16:33 that you really like, you just track them down, you go to their studio, you fall all over yourself, and the next thing you know, you're getting the stuff at the artist's price to the dealer or less. I mean, I've had people give me stuff. So that's not, that's bull. It sounds like the whole thing is a publicity stunt. Oh, we don't have to go through the dealer and go straight to the auction house. If you really want this guy's stuff, just go visit the guy. He's not like hiding. Speaking of bull, the sales centerpiece is the Golden Calf, a sculpture of a bullock in formaldehyde with hooves and horns cast in 18 karat solid gold, expected to sell for between 8 and 12 million pounds. It's a bargain.

1:17:18 They're giving it away. Buy two! Anyway, I'm just saying the whole thing sounds like a scam. And some tech news that you might be interested in. the uh... the government the government commission way way way before you go to the tennis i was at one more little thing to measure or i think by the way that most art you know the whole start seeing something of a scam anyway of course it is a bad but it's on day one so i i like rugs you know i like turkish inspersion person covers by the way our dirt cheap now you can get him russians also like what before before iran i think i want to show you i've always been fascinated

1:17:56 I've always been fascinated by like these carpets because they're all handmade and I like the different kinds. I like the flat weaves too, but so I know enough and I read books and I try to figure out because it's worse, it's worse, much worse than wine. I mean, this is like extremely complicated business. So I finally found some expert and he only had one word of advice. uh... i've got this guy knows everything in the world about rugs and the turkish rugs and the afghan rugs in the war and all the rest of the nice and i said so he gave me a stage piece of advice is whatever you paid for a rug you paid too much that's like the advice i got to have a look at buying my own plane and advice was if it floats flies a foreign case you should rent it so uh... the u k commissioned a uh... the government commission to report

1:18:45 about the internet because of course it's like America, we have to be leading, we have to be the leaders, we need more bandwidth and so what they're contemplating now and I didn't know that this was an issue but now that I think about it, it's obviously a beautification issue they're now talking about allowing fiber to run above ground in order to make it cheaper and to roll it out faster that's not new it is here Well, I know, because we have fiber coming to our place in Port Angeles and it's above ground. You have to understand, in America, telephone wires and all this stuff and electricity is above ground. In many countries in the world, John, it's below ground. And that's dumb because people think it's ugly.

1:19:29 It is. Well, you know, I think it's charming to be honest about it. I hate it because it really reduces the amount of places I can land my plane in an emergency. Well, that I can understand. But I'm looking at the, I'm looking at, there's some neighborhoods around here that have, you know, we do that too, we go underground, it always ends up getting flooded by the rain and it shorts out, it's a disaster. But, you know, some of the neighborhoods that had the telephone poles and they were like loaded with all kinds of, you know, cable TV and people just wire anything on there. And then they took the poles down and put it all underground and it looks kind of sterile. It doesn't have any life to it. I mean, it's just like, you know, it just looks kind of, you know,

1:20:10 It's creepy to me. I was raised in an environment filled with telephone poles, I have to say. But it's something creepy about the poleless areas. You don't feel the connection between people. You can visibly see the connections. You see this guy's hooked to the pole, and I'm hooked to the pole, and I got a cable TV thing coming in. You know, and it's easier for them to make changes. They want to bring, you want to bring an extra line in, you know, they just throw it up on the pole. They just throw it over the pole. Yeah, that's true. I've never thought of it that way, as you can see the connections between people. I've always found it to be somewhat comforting. And it's kind of cool to find you go to the old part of the, you know, some old little town in the middle of nowhere and they have all these old metal poles and these old glass insulators and it's still, you know, sparking, but it's still working.

1:21:00 You know, and you go, wow, it's just something about it. I don't know, I think it's charming. And the fact that people want to rip these poles down. I can see it in areas where you can't afford the wood because these poles are typically pretty tall trees, but I don't know. It doesn't bother me, let's put it that way. Right. Well, anyway, it's a big deal over here because people don't like their wires running around above ground. It's not done. Yeah, well in a city, of course, I mean, you don't want it because it doesn't make any sense. You've got a big skyscraper and a telephone pole up front. Yeah, but cities are never the problem. London's got 20 megabytes per second up and down. They've got the shit. I'm still doing one megabit down, 300 kilobytes up from where I am. Fastest I can get. Yeah, that's pretty lame. And boy, it shows when we do these shows, doesn't it? Well, sometimes.

1:21:57 But you know, that's a pretty lame connection for today. It's extremely lame. And it's just because I'm too far away from the exchange. I think it would be a good connection as a backup. Well actually I have one of those Vodafone dongles that you plug into your laptop and although there is a limit so I can't use it all the time, whenever I upload a show I always plug that in because it uploads at almost a megabit per second. So the wireless connection is better than the wired connection? Yeah, there's no reason for that. That's wrong. I don't think, you know, wireless is great, but wired is best. I'm down with that. So what else? Anything? I don't know. You got your notes? I didn't get any. The only note I had was to do the Sarah Palin lipstick thing because somebody was interested on Twitter. They mentioned, you gotta talk about it. What's your opinion?

1:22:55 And I also had a theory, oh yeah, I did have one thing I was gonna do, which was my, I was gonna send you this video, but it was a picture, it was Clinton talking to Obama. He was going to have lunch with him and then he was doing this thing, he came out and says that Obama's going to win handily. He's going to win big is what he said. Well he said the word was handily actually. Oh I thought he said big, okay. Anyway so they showed this video, it's on the blog, and Clinton is standing there with his mouth open, he looks like he's gassed. He doesn't look well. Sorry? He doesn't look well.

1:23:34 No, he doesn't look well. He looks like he's drunk, actually, and he sounds kind of slurry. And I'm thinking, now this is like out there, and I'm thinking, should I even bring this up? Because it's obvious that Clinton, Bill Clinton, wants Obama to win. He'll do anything for him to win for obvious reasons. He doesn't want his wife running in 2012 because it's a big hassle, and if she gets to be president, his life is ruined, right? Okay, I hadn't thought of that. Yeah, that makes sense. His life is ruined. Meanwhile, she wants to him to lose because she knows she has a shot in 2012 if he does. You know, I mean, this is going to be her last shot and she'd love to be president, otherwise she wouldn't have put all this work into it. So she wants him to lose and he wants him to win. I'm wondering if she's either poisoning him... Yes, she's going to kill him. There you go. Thank you, John. I love that theory. Next on the Clinton hit list is Bill.

1:24:28 I mean, it just seems to me that he doesn't look himself and he's kind of dingy and she, I'm sure, is not happy with this, him going and meeting with Bill Baum and then now going to Florida to promote him and all the rest of it. And, you know, I don't know if she has access to his food. But then again, it could be anybody who would want to get him out of the picture. But then again, it could also be the Obama people. Because if Clinton, for some reason, and I'm not wishing this on the guy because he's not even old enough to be elderly. uh... if something happened to me died let's say from natural causes you know the part of the heart attack from the baton with operation or who knows what drug did drugs that he had to take there's a million parts it was created huge sympathy vote for obama and oh man so i mean so your honor's camp could be killing him for all we know that

1:25:21 I mean, it's just like there's too many parties. It would be a great mystery, by the way, to write. Because there's all these different parties that would like to get rid of him for all kinds of different reasons. And then again, if it would cause a sympathy vote for Obama, then would Hillary really want him gone? Or then forget that. Let's don't kill Bill. Let's just make him kind of dingy and like a goofball. you know, because he's, you know, who knows, you know, so he's just standing there making stupid comments. Yeah, he can get through any kind of embarrassment. Let me analyze what you're saying, because that's very interesting. First of all, I think the idea that he would hate to be the first man is spot on, because that effectively takes away his main source of income, which is just millions and millions and millions of dollars on the speaking circuit. So I guess you can't do that when you're married to the president.

1:26:17 So that would probably suck because, and you and I know this, the guy's notorious coke head. This is probably what caused his heart trouble in the first place. He may still be snorting coke. Do you think he looked high? He didn't look coked up, let's put it that way, I don't think so. But he just seemed like he was like, didn't get enough sleep or his dingy... He's a shadow, when he turned towards Obama and it was on profile, he's a shadow of himself. He's really, really thin. He's like almost a Steve Jobs-like transformation, you know, and Steve Jobs was seriously ill. Clinton has a serious heart issue, but he has not gained back any of his posture.

1:27:00 He's a big guy. Yeah, yeah. And he used to work out a lot. So anyway, so that makes... Well, it wouldn't be hard if he's still a cokehead. It wouldn't be hard to keep him addicted. Maybe, I'm not buying that. I mean at his age with a bad heart, I can't imagine him not having enough willpower to just say no to that. And I always wonder about people that are using drugs in their older years. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But the, something's up is all I know. It just seems, he seemed dingy. He looked like he was like in some other planet. And then he makes these crazy assertions which you know, he thought Hillary was gonna win too as somebody pointed out.

1:27:45 But I just think that this guy's in, like in, you know, he's part, whatever we're gonna see in the next eight weeks or seven weeks is gonna be, he's gonna be part of the action. It's gonna be, again, like I said when we started the show, this is gonna be a hilarious little period to watch, you know, give us something to talk about. And I'll tell you, my blog numbers are way up, because we do a lot of political blog posts. mostly my bloggers are all a bunch of democrats generally and uh... we want to thank Bubba by the way for putting the notes up. Yeah, right on to Bubba. Hey, so I looked this up. So he said Obama will win handily? Yeah. Handily. Adverb. Yeah, he said handily. Skillfully, dexterously, expertly, conveniently, or easily? Easily is actually the third meaning according to Dick Starr in our column. Yeah, I think he meant easily.

1:28:39 And then last night on the Bill Maher show, you had your typical two, you had two Democrats, Salman Rushdie, who I didn't realize was almost a socialist, and Jeanine Garofalo, who is like this woman... By the way, I love Jeanine Garofalo, so lay off. She's awesome. Have you seen those tattoos? Did you see her tattoos on her arms? Yeah, she's got tattoos all over the place. Massive tattoos. Now she's hot, man. There's something really hot about her. I like her. I've never thought her as hot in any way, but that's okay if you feel that way. Yeah, but I love all women because they're all sun princesses, okay?

1:29:16 Can I finish? Yes. So the two of them, these two are sitting next to each other and they both agree, and by the way there's a guy from Wall Street Journal, John Ford I think is his name, who actually stood up to everybody very nicely. I'm going to have to send him an email. But anyway, these two both agreed to each other that it's going to be a landslide for Obama. Really? No matter what anybody thinks. And they're not the only ones who feel this way. And that's where I think the Clinton thing came from. Interesting. And what's interesting to me is that if you go to the other side of the fence, and I'm like trying to listen to both sides for the purposes of this show, no other reason. If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, who has become a very good deconstructionist, he believes it'll be a landslide for McCain. No, he doesn't say it'll be a landslide for McCain, but he says he wouldn't be surprised

1:30:08 And I'm kind of more in agreement with him. Except there's one little catch, which is, although I think it was poorly executed, Ron Paul's endorsement, what did he endorse? What exactly happened there? I don't know, I never got to see the end of it. I know they were going to do some sort of a deal, I thought they were going to run the guy, not Webb, but the uh... that other day that's good to be a libertarian candidate did he endorse him i'm looking it up because in and this is a and i was really pissed because i also they started getting all the emails from people saying hey man and a year on palm and run your big announcement and they had some heat going everyone was talking about it was blogging about it and the only blogger yeah and then uh... and then dislike moral it just kind of dies and you know there's no no coverage no nothing

1:31:00 and I'm looking now on campaignforliberty.com I think that he endorsed the... was either the Libertarian... It would have to be the Libertarian, who else would be? The Constitution Party? Oh, I guess there's another one. Yeah, there's actually about three fringe groups that are running. This is the thing that our foreign listeners probably don't realize is that America is not just a two... I mean, effectively, it is of course a two-party system, but it's not. Anyone can stand up and run for president. And you don't even have to be a member of a party.

1:31:37 And there are plenty of people that put themselves on the ticket. The problem is, of course, they don't get invited to the debates. And so if you're not on television and you don't have the budget for television, then you don't become president. Nor do you become Madge selling palm olive. That's just the way it works. Yeah, it was uh, they don't even have it on their on their website. What the hell is Bob Barr is the guy that's running our right and Chuck Baldwin That's libertarian is the other guy. He'd know Jeff Baldwin is the Constitution Party and bars the Libertarian I think Ron Paul endorsed both of them. Is that the story? I don't know I did I never got to follow up to this story I just blogged the first part of it which was on the 9th and

1:32:19 and then I never heard anything else and never bothered checking, you know, I thought it would show up on the radar, never did. That's frustrating. Well, did you do a Google on Ron Barr and, or Bob Barr and Ron Paul? Yeah, so I have a divider, not a uniter. The American Chronicle is the top hit, give me a break. This thing wasn't covered. Oh, I see, no, on the 10th, Barr asked Ron Paul to be his running mate. Right, but didn't he decline? Well, yeah, well he said in advance a long time ago that he wasn't going to do anything that would, uh, he wasn't going to do anything if he couldn't get the nomination as a Republican. I mean, he made a point of that. Oh, what's this now? I'm seeing Bob Barr pulled out of a press conference. Paul's campaign for liberty held at the National Press Club in D.C., which included independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader, Green Party candidate Cynthia McKinney, oh that's right, and Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin.

1:33:18 So I guess what Ron Paul was doing was saying, hey, here's some alternatives that you can also vote for. Cynthia McKinney, by the way, very interesting story. You know about her? No. Oh my gosh. There's a whole documentary movie about her. I'll send you a link. I can't remember what the name of it is right now. But she is quite a history of changing politics in the United States. She's a black senator. black female senator. I've seen her, yeah not to mention it. Just to hand all of it out there. Very sharp. Whoa, extremely. And Ralph Nader, I heard him on the Alex Jones show the other day. He's now become a truther. How about them apples? Well the truther thing has got, you know, the problem is that, here's the problem,

1:34:10 I don't know what, I mean, I'm almost thinking that the government is encouraging this, the truthers, because they refuse to release the videotape from the gas station showing the plane crashing into the Pentagon. Why? Because it wasn't a plane. John, listen. No, no, listen. Just listen to me for one second. I know all this crap. You don't know about the flight data recorder. You don't know about that. Alright, tell me about it. Okay, the flight data recorder, this is from pilotsfor911truth.org and I'm a member of that because that's the one thing I actually know something about, is about flying.

1:34:50 And so the NTSB finally released the black box data. And first of all it shows a trajectory, this 757 made, which is any professional pilot, and many of them have said impossible to do. You can't pull that maneuver off with that type of aircraft, which is a 330 degree turn. But also the altimeter settings, because we know the atmospheric conditions for each day, that's history, right? It's written down. And the way the altimeter was set and the data, the doctored data, the NTSB sent, shows that the plane actually overflew the Pentagon by about 480 feet as it dropped the motherfucking missile and flew off.

1:35:34 which eyewitnesses have also said they saw happen. So there was no plane, that's why they don't release that footage because it was... and by the way, it happened to be on a piece, a side of the Pentagon that was under construction. that had just been fortified. It was the exact opposite side of the building as where any of the heavyweights sat. And by the way, if you're going to crash a plane and kill someone in the Pentagon, hit the freaking roof! Why try and skim along the ground, which is virtually impossible to do, skim along the ground for hundreds of feet to hit right into the side? I mean, no! This was a missile that was sent by a, that was shot off by a plane that overflew and left. It's a standard maneuver.

1:36:15 And that's from the data. This data, by the way, the black box rebooted itself 20 times in this 45 minute flight. At least that's the data that NTSB sent back to the pilots from 911truth.org. That does not, either that doesn't happen or the plane would never take off. These black boxes are checked before they leave. There's regular routine checks. Rebooting 20 times in a short flight? No, it wasn't rebooted. It was doctored data, doctored poorly. Experts have corroborated this and that's why they're not going to release the footage.

1:36:53 Never mind the fact that there's not a single shred of passenger or luggage. I love flight 93 by the way, that's my favorite. The plane that bored itself into the ground in Pennsylvania. And they found nothing except a passport and a bandana belonging to the 5-foot hijacker who hijacked this airplane with a box cutter. Nothing is found nothing, but the bandana and the passport. It's like Muhammad Right I've always been a truth or I've never hid that I've always been a truther So so here's the thing that did do some of the other aspects that are kind of interesting I mean besides that the plane crash in Pennsylvania There's a

1:37:35 If the guy, say a fighter plane did a low pass over the Pentagon and dropped a missile or sent a little stinger or whatever they sent in, it was obviously something big, a side, I don't know, boom, they blow it up with a cruise missile perhaps, I don't know. Why they didn't use a cruise missile instead of this fighter is another question, but I would suspect that the If there was a fighter pilot and the whole thing wasn't just a missile from the beginning sent from someplace else, which would make more sense to me, the fighter pilot I think's life would be in jeopardy. Well, yeah, who says the guy's still alive? You don't know that. I'm just saying. More important is what happened to the people on flight 93?

1:38:21 Well, you know, if there was one documentary... Or 77 or whatever it was. Listen to this. I want you to listen to this audio clip or this video clip of Donald Rumsfeld. You've probably heard this one before. It's a Freudian slip as he's giving a news conference. It makes no sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the best ball in Mosul or the people who did the bombing in Spain or the people who attacked the United States in New York. Shot down the plane over Pennsylvania. Oops! Did you hear that? Shot down the plane in Pennsylvania. That's Donald Rumsfeld. Freudian slip. Come on, man. Come on. Yeah, no, that's good. Yeah.

1:39:05 So, uh, the plane was shot down. Don't you think they'd find some of the bodies or something? But I don't know. There was the other report that the plane never, never left. That whole thing was rigged up and they landed someplace. They took all the people off and of course they're probably in Gitmo. I mean, who knows? I actually followed this whole 93 story about who owned that land. There was a big dispute about the memorial and I did follow that trail for a while. I got bored with it. but there's a lot of weirdness going on with the ownership of the land, where it crashed and then next to it, you know, there was... uh... the people want to build a memorial is all kinds of stuff going on with that that's that's weird i think we do it's and uh... world trend world trade center building number seven those two really uh... looking into that investigating that those the ones that really when i said now i did you know we certainly need uh... a brand new full investigation

1:40:00 you know, whatever the case, I think you might as well take the whole thing back to TWA flight 800 that I think you could, you probably could, you probably could. Because that's still a suspicious, uh, because there's still have the guys reporting, you know, nobody ever talked to me because they didn't do a very thorough investigation of asking the eyewitnesses anything. They just made their report that it was a, this tank blew up and then they still have, I guess, the model of the thing someplace. They have all the pieces in some warehouse and they, I guess they're still looking it over. But to tell you John, yeah I'm definitely a truther. I've just heard too many really smart people look at this from too many different angles. And the thing is, you know, I just turned 44 and I really have come to the realization that, and this of course is the big thing, this is the big awakening, the big oh wow moment is when everything that you've been taught from a small child, that there actually is very true evil in the world. And there are people who are just evil and will do evil things.

1:41:03 So, you know, and that... So you'd put Rumsfeld in that group? Yeah, I think he'd be close to the top of the list. But they are just evil, evil people. And I've had a couple... I remember when I first got into business, you know, because I'd been working in entertainment, which you get like a check, but never really ran my own company. We had our own company and there were people who would come in who would seem like the most credible, and they were credible. And they just fuck you. People will just fuck you. I mean, for money. For any... For money, they will do anything they want. Anything. They will lie and cheat and fuck you. And so this evil is out there. Yeah, no, I would have to say that you could pretty much query me on anything about... in regards to 9-11, and I could probably answer it.

1:42:01 Okay, well, I'll do that. It's like, hmm, ah, fuck, no, I'm not gonna ask this guy anything. I'm sure that there'll be some questions coming in. The latest thing that was in the paper was, I loved this one, because, you know, of course, the NIST, which is, it's a Bush, it's part of the administration, it's not like some, you know, it's an organization that he chooses, he puts together. So they came out with their Building 7 report, which of course was laughable, But they had to go a little bit further, and I think it was yesterday, they were saying that the reason why the steel melted in the world, first time in history, and they actually say this is an unprecedented event, this has never happened before, it's amazing what happened John, you won't believe it. The actual magnetic structure of the steel in these buildings

1:42:52 was somehow modified probably due to age or something else, road and weather conditions may vary your mileage. Oh, here we go again. Seriously. No, no, no, this is coming from the government. No, no, no, no, this is coming from the government, dude. Listen to me. This is not from me. This is the ridiculous lengths they're going to to cover this up by saying, well, Well, normally of course jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel, but these steel beams, something had happened magnetically, this is the government saying something happened to them magnetically and they were sufficiently weakened so they were able to start melting at 500 degrees. This is the government now saying this. Now that's ridiculous. It's a new mercury alloy. It's ridiculous. It's fricking stupid and it's insulting. Well, I think that leaves us hanging.

1:43:45 Yeah, anyway, your homework John is you should go look at Rosie O'Donnell's weblog. Yeah, you laugh, you laugh. I know Rosie O'Donnell, I've known her for a long time. Actually, I got her her first gig on VH1. Give me the summation and I'll go look at it. She has a guy on whose name is William Rodriguez. William Rodriguez was a caretaker of I don't know which tower, one of the two towers, and his office was on sub-level one. There were six levels. So he was on the highest level of the sub-levels. And before the plane hit the building, there were multiple explosions in the basement. Yeah, I know that this has been documented by a bunch of people that heard multiple explosions. Right, but it's not in the official conspiracy theory known as the 9-11 report.

1:44:33 They interviewed him, they didn't write anything, he gave them like 15 other names to talk to. One guy who was one level below him, his job was to restock the vending machines. All his skin was burned off from the explosion. He lived, but he came up, actually I don't know if he lived or not, but he came up with his skin hanging off and there's tons and tons of eyewitness accounts of this. It's all over the place, it's unhideable. You know, and that's... okay, so maybe that's my conspiracy or the alternative conspiracy theory, but the 9-11 Commission report, which I have right here in my bookcase, doesn't mention anything about that. Not even, you know, the mention of, you know, some people thought. Nothing.

1:45:20 I can hear you sliding over to my side of the fence. It's an eerie sound. No, you know the thing that's interesting about this is that if... Let's assume that all the truthers are right and this was a... What's the... They burnt down the Reichstag, I think, in Germany. Pearl Harbor. Let's call it Pearl Harbor. The new Pearl Harbor. So he gets everybody all jacked up in one way or another. The thing, because it's such a ridiculous event, you know, to drop these two buildings that were just in the middle of town and they're one of the biggest buildings in the world and it took a lot of effort and planning, obviously, to make this work if the truthers are right. It's like, it's almost like saying, look, I wonder how outrageous we can get with the American public to see, you know, before they realize that they're just being suckered left and right.

1:46:12 uh... it's just that you know that concept that somebody that there are a group of people let's say you know whoever the foreign relations crowd or whatever you want to wherever they are the other hand council of foreign relations yes you know which is a bomb i'm trying to try lateral commission yes yeah all these crazy things are married about the stuff in the sixties it is because that's when it started that's when you know you was your duty you are on duty john c dvorak you should have stopped that shit then you let it slide I was buffaloed. Anyway, so it's just like, I mean, it's almost like a comedy act at this level if what you're saying is true because it's almost like saying, how dumb are these people?

1:46:56 Let's, you know, do this and let's do that. I mean, it's almost to the point where you can almost suspect Obama himself as part of the whole grand scheme of things. Thank you, thank you, finally. It's like, let's see if we can get a black guy in. Oh, we can get a black man elected president. I think we can do that. Well, okay, well, let's change it a little bit. Let's make a black guy with a ridiculous name. Yes, exactly. And just to fuck with everyone, we'll make his middle name Hussein, just to mess with everyone. John, you know what? I'm so happy to hear this. You are finally seeing the light my brother. You are waking up. You're finally seeing what you know what you know why that they absolutely thought because they had all the media in their pocket they have

1:47:36 radio, newspapers, books, television primarily. Television is a hypnotic medium. I've been in it long enough to know how it works. You can absolutely bullshit anything you want for any reason. People will buy it because it's on television. They still think it's true. But what they didn't understand and most of these guys, you know, they might have a Blackberry which is simple enough for them to understand but they do not understand the internet. They do not, they were not a part of this taking place and this is what's happened. All this collective knowledge is, look at Google. You type in Rumsfeld plane shot down and within three seconds I've got, you know, this video of him which is

1:48:15 not doctored video of Rumsfeld talking about the plane in Pennsylvania being shot down. This collective information that we have at our fingertips, which is of course the next thing to go, they're now realizing, oh shit, more and more people are jacking into this, and they're starting to catch on. and that's where they made the mistake because absolutely Zygmunt Brzezinski who is Obama's advisor on foreign affairs read his book John read his book I'll look at the title for a second he outlines all of this stuff all of it and these guys are huge on the Georgia thing yes it's orchestrated absolutely and I totally believe they went out and looked for the Manchurian candidate

1:49:05 Absolutely. Now, they play both sides of the fence because they've also got McCain. It's the same people. They don't give a shit. They can't lose. It's a no-lose situation. By your theory, there's a no-lose situation. Either one of these two guys gets in. Yes. Absolutely. They win no matter what. And they're saying the same things. And right now, oh, this was so beautiful. I talk about this on a daily source code. So, huge Antonovs have been spotted in Afghanistan. And these are Ukrainian registered Antonovs, which of course immediately explains... It's a big monster plane, it's got like eight engines and a million tires. Yeah, and so these are coming from the Ukraine, the place that Vice President Dick Cheney visited during the Republican National Convention under the cover of all that hoopla. And they're unloading tanks, John. Tanks. Now, let me ask you, because you are a man of the world, what will you do with tanks in Afghanistan?

1:50:05 I don't know. Nothing, because the Russians already proved that the tanks are ineffective in that mountainous terrain. They're unusable. However, the road to Iran is right there! And Iran is completely perfect for tanks. So this whole thing of, oh, let's move the troops out of Iraq, they gotta go to Afghanistan, they're all going to Afghanistan, because that's the ground force that's gonna enter into Iran. Wow, that's a good one. I haven't heard that one. That's not bad. I like that. So who says this? Is that your theory? No, no, no. This is from, uh, you know, there's pictures, there's, uh... No, I mean, is this your theory about their moving to Afghanistan? I mean, guys, I never thought of the two-step process where Obama wants to move all the troops to Afghanistan.

1:50:51 and so then you say so they both do. They both do. They both do. That's the whole, that's this is how, this is how the... Yeah, they both do. But whose theory is this? That we're moving stuff to Afghanistan so we can invade Iran? I can't say, I'm sure lots of people have seen this because you open up Google Earth and you look at the freaking geography of it all and you say, okay, I see where Georgia is, I see where Ukraine is, I see where Afghanistan is. Oh, hmm, isn't that interesting? Now I know that tanks don't work in the mountains I know that! This is well known. Alright, okay, okay. So what's Brzezinski's book? I'll read it over the weekend. You'll love this book. Hold on a second. Brzezinski's book. Don't you just love this collective... Here we go. Brzezinski's book. Yeah, this is Google. Do you want to shut down this thing, folks? Just shut down Google. That's true! Oh, I'm really worried about Google. I am very worried about it.

1:51:50 I'm worried about, you know, who's in charge over there. Let's be honest, Eric Schmidt looks pretty scary. Well, he was with Sun Microsystems for a long time and there's a lot of connection between Sun Microsystems and the agency. Yeah, that makes sense, doesn't it? The Grand Chessboard is what it's called. America's primacy... Is it primacy or primacy? Primacy? It's primacy, I think. But I think you can go either way with it. America's primacy and its geo-strategic imperatives. Read this book. Alright. Read this book. Everything that is happening now or is being proposed is described in this book. Okay, I'll get it and read it this week. And this guy is in cahoots with Soros. So this is where all this money is coming from. Obama's like a billion dollar campaign at this point. It's huge money. Huge!

1:52:45 John I love it. I love that sound. I love that. I'm gonna let's stop the show right here because The sound of silence no no it's not the sound of silence. It's got me stumped again ladies and gentlemen It's the sound of you actually going hey wait a minute My goodness there might be something to all of this Lots more where that came from Remember no one's a lot of it next week. I'm I'm hoping I Hey, and we didn't talk about it, but I hope people are okay in Texas. Yeah, that storm is really a whopper Yeah, that's massive and of course it it gets coverage, but not the same type of urgency as Gustav got no Gustav got more because of the new up nor New Orleans and in fact it was during a convention that gave him an excuse to Send Cheney to the you know Ukraine Ukraine so

1:53:42 The interesting thing about this storm thing is like taking up the whole Gulf of Mexico as it comes in. But the thing that always gets me about these storms is you go to CNN or any of these stations and they got these guys in the storm with a camera. But it's Geraldo Rivera is the funniest. Have you seen him? And his hair is... And like a piece of the pier popped up and hit him in the leg. It was hilarious. I'm like, yeah, this is great. This is television. Yeah. It's crazy. Uh, wow, this was one of my... I've never ended the show on such a high. Well, good. I shouldn't get used to it. I'm gonna go watch Cal hopefully beat Maryland. Alright, I'm gonna take my daughter to Wagamama. Okay. Are you familiar with Wagamama?

1:54:29 No, what is Wagamama? It's like a fast-food Chinese Vietnamese type place I've heard that don't have me here. It's English. That's an English outfit. They got it like 50 of them or something It's pretty big huh all right One of these days you know we're gonna have to actually do a show midweek because something astronomic is gonna take place Yeah, we can do it so I can gloat say see well you haven't had many opportunities All right, coming to you from Gitmo Nation East, my name is Adam Curry. And from Gitmo Nation West, I'm John C. Dvorak. We will talk to you again next week, right here on NO Agenda.