Meat Hands

00:00 If I was the owner of this tyrannical government, I'd do it. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, December 9th, 2012. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 468. This is no agenda. Coming to you from the soccer killing fields of Gitmo Nation lowlands in Amsterdam in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. and from northern Silicon Valley where I wait and wait to do the show and here I am I'm John C. Dvorak. I hate it. I just hate it. I really hate it. Okay? I really hate hate hate it. How you doing there in Europe? Yeah, I'm really I'm really... I hate it. I hate it. I cannot stand when whatever happens I'm on this crappy ass

00:52 mobile setup this is it's it sounds like poop in my head it's just it's horrible I'm not well today I'm very very sure you sure it's this sound no that could just be poop in my head but it's just like you know and I'm I guess we spent at least 20 minutes before the show trying to make it so that John couldn't hear himself feeding back. When I'm talking now, I sound so distorted in my headphones, I don't know if we're even recording properly. And on top of that, because of the way this little miniature desk is set up,

01:29 It is too far away for me to see without my glasses, but too close for me to see with my glasses, so I can't actually read anything. Sounds comedic. It's not comedic. So where are you? The same place? No, no, no, no, no, no. We've... Okay, update. Update. Update. Wait a minute. We've got an update! Here's the update. So we're in our own place now, and I have to say, Producers, human resources, all extremely, extremely nice. Very, very helpful. I've really done a great job. You know what? I gotta turn this down. This can't be right. This is gonna be... You know, I'm gonna listen to the... Damn! Sorry. I just get so frustrated.

02:24 Can someone on the stream just tell me if my voice is distorted or not because all I hear is it here I'll tell you here's what it sounds like in my headphone John That sounds like a blues connection That's actually a pretty good imitation of a loose connection. Yeah, well that's what it sounds like in my headphones right now. That was good. See you sound really good, but I sound like... Oh that sounds... I think that's just fine. That's fantastic. Okay, so no, everyone has been really nice, been very very kind. Everyone's offered us varying from you can sleep in my car to you can sleep... Don't they have to up... in Holland don't they have to do that just by law?

03:08 What to be nice be nice. Yeah, I think I think it's a prerequisite People have offered, you know, they're sped bedrooms a lot of people very Saddened by the fact that I was so harsh on Rotterdam Apparently we have a lot of listeners in the Rotterdam area Like okay. Well, you probably don't want to hang out with us You know I was, when I took my grand tour of Holland with Jan Eelman of Servoy, who took me all over the place with him, and we spent a lot, went to a couple of Rotterdam restaurants and hung out there for a day. I thought it was a fine town. Well yeah, it is, but it's not Amsterdam. If you're from Amsterdam, then you know, I know my way around here.

03:56 Anyway, so we're in our own place. We've rented a place then it's very it's very very small for two tall people But it's a low ceilings. Yeah. Yeah Yes, it has low ceilings very narrow doorways It's it's not alt. It's not it's not home. I It sounds like it's from the 1600s. Yes, 1690 I'm sure. You know, it's like it's not home. Everything is just a little... there's just we're getting used to stuff. On top of that Mickey is now at the emergency room with some kind of infection, some bladder infection or some crap. It's like this is not good. It's not been a good week.

04:40 No wonder you're so uptight. You know, if you have a bladder infection and you don't know it, you know what happens? You get really, really sick. Yeah, you throw up. A lot. Yeah, I had a bladder infection about 25 years ago. I mean get him to or urinary tract or something I don't know yeah and you get sick as a dog your stomach hurts and you're throwing up and you can't figure out what it is you go to the doctor and then they you know ho ho ho exactly exactly Mickey's like and then they give you a pill and you're good yeah I know but so Mickey's like you know I don't feel so good I'm like wait a minute I show up and now you don't feel good she's been so sick and we can't figure it out and then you know she texts me before the show starts says oh yeah it's I have a bladder infection well

05:22 But don't you know with a bladder infection, you know, like normally doesn't it burn a burning sensation? Well, apparently it doesn't have to be that way. No, that's that's the irony. Yeah, so the poor girl has been deathly ill, you know, I've been schlepping her around and anyway, so we'll be much better by tomorrow. I hope. And then on top of that, you know, it's like, it's really weird to be in the Netherlands for a number of reasons, one of which is, I can't get used to the paparazzi thing. It's like, I'm not interested. They're still going on? It's like I'm not a tip them off early when you went over there, and I maybe picked up some coin for the show Well, you should have picked up some coin. This is what I can't believe you didn't even think of that But then we just didn't know I don't have to wear with I don't look at you paparazzi out there Hey, yeah, I'll tip you off on where this guy is give me some contact information and what you'll pay Then seriously John at the vorac org the thing is they don't pay crap

06:22 Don't pay anything. I'll take those hundred bucks. I'm good to go. You can probably get a hundred. That's for sure. So anyway, so wait, let me get this straight. Yeah, so you step outside to go to the store now and I some douchebag with a camera taking your picture well worse It's like I'm bringing my wife who is not feeling well. You know she looks like death. She looks like crap Yeah, it's just and women don't like their picture taken when they're not looking good This whole thing has been very very stressful very stressful and of course there's also like a million people like you know now now everyone knows we're here is like my family's like well Thanks for not calling

07:00 Like, oh, yeah. Yeah, this puts you in. You should have picked up Mickey immediately and gone right straight to Vienna. Well, when I got some places, by the way, I know, I know, I know, I really appreciate that. But she's been ill. Okay, so so she's, she actually just texted me, she's getting whatever medication she'll be coming home. I couldn't even take her to the to the emergency room myself because of the show. So anyway, so the paparazzi thing is kind of annoying. But there are a couple of things I have noticed here in the Netherlands that are disturbing. The number one thing, you know what, even if you're in New York City and you're walking down the street, it's a busy street and someone bumps into you, what's gonna happen? Well generally they say sorry or something. Right, exactly. Here, nothing.

07:58 half the people are just bumping into each other saying anything you're zombified they bump in so I do someone like really bumped into me and they just kept walking and I was like oh I'm sorry and these people it's and now it's not everybody but it's a large amount of people who are walking on the street here are zombies certified I'm just like, wow, they don't care. They're just walking through people. They have this thousand yard stare on them. It's really frightening. Then you got the other half of the people who apparently have no job. They're just sitting in the cafes all day. The cafes are filled on Friday. Do these people have no job? No. All day? Yeah, they're just sitting in the cafes drinking. I mean coffee, you know, coffee, tea, having a tea, having a beer.

08:51 They've got nothing to do. It's disturbing. It sounds hilarious. It's very, very, it's surreal is what it is. It really is. And I don't know if I've ever seen it like this. It's just there's something going. And now there is a lot of, of course, they're in the middle of austerity here. And the TV news, besides everyone talking about a lack of respect. in general, in society, as they say. Well if they're bumping into you, you're not saying excuse me or sorry or something. This is what's interesting because the reason that this is the big topic of the day is respect because these three or now maybe four, fifteen, sixteen year old little soccer players kick this referee to death and everyone's like there's just no respect in the society. Like no kidding. And then you get this zombification on the street thing. It's like wow this is very very intense. I don't know if it's just

09:53 The lowlands or if it's other places in Europe, hopefully we can travel around a bit and find out. But in the middle of the austerity stuff, people are You know, it's funny to see how the government is just telling them that they're slaves and shut up and pay more taxes and everyone's health insurance is going up. Oh, by the way, not like our health insurance is covering Mickey going to the emergency room. That was funny. He's like, okay, honey, I've learned one thing. We've got to call the insurance before you go. Okay. And everywhere on the card, on the website, call 1-800- Frickin' frickin' blue. You can't call an 800 number from overseas.

10:34 Now they should have the alternative number on there. No, do not have it. Do not have it. That's a good one. And then you call and it's like, well, we're just the weekend guys, you know, we don't have your dossier. In fact, no one you call will actually have your dossier for your own privacy, of course. So what you're going to have to do is you're going to have to pay for everything and then we're going to send you a claim form and well, if you're lucky, if you're lucky, then you might get something reimbursed. What is this, Obamacare? No, doesn't she have a Dutch passport? Yeah, but it doesn't give you insurance. There's no national insurance here. You have to, you know... Oh, I thought there was. No, no, no, no. Oh, so it's the same scam they're pulling on us. Oh yeah.

11:24 Oh yeah, oh it's worse. In fact what's happening here is exactly what's going to happen in the States. First it's all groovy and all good and you think it's righteous and now everyone's getting screwed. Now you have to pay more according to how much you make. I mean the whole, it's not okay here. You know talking about that, so this week in San Francisco the Board of Supervisors decided And I guess it was Muni in San Francisco, they decided, you know, we think that it's unfair that seniors get a discount and students get a discount. It should be done on the basis of income. Yeah, well, there you go. So you should have cheaper fares for low income.

12:07 And higher fares for people who are really loaded, who normally wouldn't be taking the idiotic bus. So essentially, anyone who could afford not to take the bus, will now not be able to afford to take the bus. So when you get on the bus, there's going to be a bunch of literally poor people going around on the bus because it's damn near free. And they'll be just living in the bus. Instead of being homeless, they'll be in the bus. And they think this is a good idea? Yeah, the world is when I want you know what I'm I really have to sit down and calm myself sometimes because I'm like in all my 48 years I don't think I've ever felt

12:49 About the world, you know, I mean maybe it's because of December 21st. Maybe in fact I'd prefer the whole thing just end on the 21st. Just put us out of our misery, please. This is horrible. This is no way to live. December 21st? Yeah, you know when the Mayan calendar ends. You know what I'm talking about. Well, I think it's part of the just the depression cycle, the 40-year cycle where we have a depression which began, of course, in 2008, a little early, six months early, but still 2008, 2009. And I've always, you know, what causes this, what causes the depression, you know, the economic depression? I think it's an actual, I think the depression is a good word because it,

13:30 I think during these cycles people literally get depressed. They don't feel like buying anything, maybe they celebrate the holidays and then they get depressed after the holidays and then another year's gone by and they haven't cleaned their office, another year's gone by they haven't finished the cycle book, another year's gone by they have... Wait a minute! Hey, wait a minute! I haven't finished the cycle book? Oh no! Well, I'll tell you. It does feel a bit, you have to add, yesterday I will say it was beautiful. It was one of those beautiful, cold, crisp Dutch days. You have them once every 18 years where the sun is shining but it's nice and crispy cold and the market was there and everything was kind of really idyllic. And of course, you know, the Dutch, have you ever seen the Dutch street organ? Have you ever been here when the street organ goes by?

14:23 So it's kind of hard, maybe if you Google it you'll see a picture of a Dutch street organ and they used to literally have the big, almost like the piano rolls that you put through. And it also controls little figurines on the outside and like ding and then a figurine pops out of a door and then hits a bell. And it's a very, very, very picturesque. These big giant ones. I may have seen one of these things that they're the size of a trailer. Yeah, and they're narrow but they are about the size of a trailer. And so these things have a very typical sound.

15:02 And so we're walking through the... No, no, well, that's a little more typical Dutch. And so we're walking through the market, which is... I mean, the Dutch market is really nice and you've got this cold, crisp day and you've got the really, you know, the fantastic sunshine. But the thing is playing Havana Gila. I'm like, this makes no sense! I'm not kidding! And then it played like some Turkish thing. And it's like, what?! Where am I? I'm not having a gila from a Dutch organ. This is not right. It's supposed to be... You know, not like... I don't know where I am. I don't know what's going on.

15:49 That's hilarious. And then today, and today it was just rain and dark. Why don't you go up to the guy, go up to the guy, the organ guy and say, can you program me a stairway to heaven? Freebird, man. Play some free bird. Freebird. Driving me nuts. Crazy. Anyway, good news. We were completely wrong about the coffee shops. You know, I thought the weed pass and everything that that at all kind of that was a national thing apparently that was only in the south of the country and Notre Dame below Rotterdam and and coffee shops are still wide open for business if you're a Even if you're just coming over from the UK or whatever, there's no problem. You can still grab your weed. Everything's all good No, man, I'm hearing myself slapping back to your speakers like no one else's business

16:45 Don't worry, don't change anything. We'll just have to deal with it. Position the mic. But it's funny because I've mentioned this to a couple of people. They're like, yeah, you know, we heard about that. We heard that in America people think that you can't buy weed anymore. I said, yeah, yeah, let's just say that. Because you told them that. No, that was, come on, that's the reporting that even I, just from what I read and what I understood, I mean that's... Yes, it's a bogus reporting that we get in this country, hello? But the bogus reporting was coming from the Dutch media themselves! Okay, so I'm gonna have to go out and buy a mixer and a preamp and all kinds of stuff. I cannot live with the sound that I... I mean, I live to make this the best podcast in the universe. I live to make it sound right and it's just... this is just so way below any quality. Ugh, hate my life. Oh, with that in mind... What?

17:56 So what's new besides the kick death of the referee? Okay, what is new is as of, well first it was as of the first of the year, now they've moved it to April. But most people, so the housing market here has pretty much collapsed. And most people here, there was a real boom, a real bubble because it's very normal in the Netherlands, or it was very normal, to get an interest only mortgage. which is I think kind of atypical in the world. So everybody here is only paying interest which means you know they got nice houses way above their means but now the government as part of the austerity program that has been brought to you by Brussels has said well you're not gonna be able to deduct that anymore and we're gonna start that January 1st so people like freaking out now they all have to convert to

18:52 Add to mortgages where you are paying for some interest but also some of the principal and of course it's not like all the deduction is going away but it is changing and you can answer people are freaking out and no one is changing the the pricing of their home, this is like the whole housing market is just, it's not even, it's just in irons, it's just not moving. And that's really hurting people because a lot of people, you know, would use the value in their homes to live and to take vacations and do all kinds of extra stuff. And so, you know, the Dutch... It becomes a growing asset. Yeah, it's a real problem. And you can really tell that people are just, you know, messed up over it.

19:37 Well, just to bring it back again, the alternative minimum tax which is going to go into effect for 2012 as of January 1st because of these idiots that want to take us over the fiscal cliff, and I have a couple of clips of some of the idiots. If you're one of the 30 million Americans who will be stuck with this, you will not be able to take off your interest from your mortgage. Let me ask you a question about this fiscal cliff. Because I did a little bit of research today and so the reason for the fiscal cliff or the reason so that we have these taxes that, you know, these tax cuts which are going to expire, the whole thing about having more taxes in general and it's not just taxes but a trillion dollars in cuts and all, just basically

20:24 Is this to repay some of the $16 trillion that the United States owes? Is that why we're doing this? I just need to understand. No, no. It was originally done as a... We don't want to do it. It was originally done as a, okay, we've got these financial problems that we have to fix. We have a debt ceiling issue that hasn't been fully resolved, which should be just eliminated in my opinion, even though the Republicans are against that. because they're afraid the Democrats are going to spend this into oblivion, which may or may not be true. Anyway, they had all these unresolved issues. They said, okay, here's what we're going to do. We have to resolve all this. This is in 2011, by the way. We have to resolve all this. And what is going to be the impetus to resolve it? Well, uh, let, uh, but I'm asking a different question. Why do we have to resolve all this? It turns, it turns out

21:14 Of the 16 trillion dollars that we owe, or that you know, only like a trillion three is owed to China, the rest is all owed to entitlements, like people who think they're going to get some money when they retire, some Medicare crap, you know, so who cares about sick people? I don't see really why we're trying to do anything for them. And the rest is to the Federal Reserve, i.e. the private banks. We owe it to ourselves. I always thought we owed all this money to other countries, but it's not. From what I can understand, it's just going to us. We're repaying banks and book craft. Most of our debt is to ourselves. That's true. Well then screw it. Why don't we just borrow some more from ourselves? What do we care?

22:00 Hey, you're talking to the guy who thinks we should be printing more money. What are you doing here? Yeah, well, I'm waking up into it. I'm like, this is crazy. I mean, obviously, is it just the banks who are just like, hey, you know, let's screw these human resources, blow these slaves, let's just take all their money now. There's a bunch of bill keepers involved that feel that, you know, this is not, the word is it's not sustainable. It has to be resolved sooner than later. and uh... i don't know i mean i'm just telling you what the the genesis of the thing is a nut saying it's good about right right i can tell you this if you listen to these a holes who don't care about anybody but themselves yeah but play the sean hannity could just play the shiny and here's a one of the many foxholes who wants to

22:45 pushes over the cliff he thinks it's a great idea it's time the republicans have the courage of their convictions it is simply immoral to continue to steal from future generations without a control deficits and now record debt now going over this cliff to prevent the country from going bankrupt would be under these circumstances i argue a very noble endeavor a noble goal Very noble. Very noble. I can't believe you watch, and that's the one thing, I'm really happy you don't have to watch any of that crap. There's no like lame-ass CNN here. They got CNN International. And CNN International, all they have is like Avon commercials. I'm sorry, it's disguised as a profile about Avon in South Africa, but it's essentially a half-hour commercial. There's no Fox News, there's Comedy Central,

23:41 Which has reasonably recent episodes of American comedic series and Jon Stewart. And there is no news. But you can get out there and send and get the pulse of the nation. Talking about Comedy Central, just as a segue, so the Democracy Now! woman is in Doha at the climate change thing. And she made this funny observation which we're talking to a couple of people she was interviewing and I'm just going to leave it as it is but play the Comedy Central observation. I think there is a the logo of this conference is a C within another C for climate change. If they just turn the C around it looks very much like Comedy Central, the actual logo. And that's painful given the seriousness of this issue. Wow that's some stellar stellar journalistic reporting right there ladies and gentlemen.

24:41 Yeah, well this is about probably the funniest thing she's ever said. But I think I could be wrong but I'm always suspicious that somebody didn't do this on purpose. No, that wouldn't surprise me. It really wouldn't. From the climate thing. Yeah. There hasn't been... The only thing I saw on the news here about that was things aren't going well. You know, there's no progress in Doha. Don't they understand that the whole point... and by the way, that was the woman from Siemens. I wish I had a clip of that. I don't have any of my equipment here to clip stuff off the TV. The woman from Siemens who's like, yeah, we got all kinds of great stuff that we can implement. This is another big huge bonanza for whatever bullcrap they're gonna come up with, whatever legislation of stuff that has to be implemented. It's a gouge. Oh my goodness. It really is.

25:46 Alright, well that'll end it for this today's show and we'll be back again on... Good night everybody! Good seeing ya! ...Thursday. Now I did... Let's see. I have kind of figured out the Syria thing though. Something has changed. Something very dramatic has changed. Do you think it has to do with Putin's injury? No, well it has to do with Putin, but he's not injured, or at least he's not showing it because he is showing up in some important places. Let me just run through for one second here. What do I have? I have, yeah, this was on since we're talking about PBS. Here's some analysts on PBS.

26:26 joking about the Russians, because it seems like there's been a little turn, where now of course we have this fake chemical weapons scare, and even the Russians are saying, oh well okay, well then might as well go in there and put some boots on the ground. Where are they right? Secretary Clinton met with the Prime Minister of Russia just a couple days ago Obviously Russia has backed another loser, which is its propensity in these things. Yeah, and I love how on democracy This is PBS like haha. It's very funny and I think they even see that now and the probably the best case scenario is that There's some sort of a soft landing where Assad is offered an exile deal gets out of the picture And there's not a power vacuum created with him falling and being strung up on a lamppost and then you start the retribution Massacres and it could really devolve into something extremely ugly. I love how they how is like you start the retribution massacres

27:25 This is all this very very easy with the language about who's starting one and who's doing who and by the way apparently there are now eight four hundred and million people in Syria who have been killed that number changes every single second. Even after Assad goes so the hope is Russia will finally get on board and be constructive here we haven't you know and he's the foreign minister said some kind of good things but we'll see what Russia does. What does an intervention look like? Well, if they're chemical weapons used, I think intervention looks a lot like the air strikes that we used in Libya and in some other places. Which makes no sense to me at all. You're going to have an intervention, you're going to bomb the chemical weapons sites? Does this seem like a good idea to you, John? This seems very unsmart to me.

28:12 I mean seriously, well it gets better. To destroy some of those major stockpiles of chemical weapons. Yeah, we're gonna destroy the stockpiles of chemical weapons. Hey, I know, let's just blow up that stockpile of chemical weapons. What could possibly go wrong? If they start to lose control of them and they fear that Hezbollah might get their hands on a terrorist group, I think the United States... I like the new use of the word intervention. Yeah. Oh man, I'm so loud coming back. Anyway, here's the big thing that changed. And this is what Putin was doing. And this is why I think the Russians are now backing off and going, you know what? You guys put the Al Qaeda's in there. You guys armed all the rebels in there. Congratulations. Enjoy your time with that now because we're backing off because we don't need Syria anymore because we've got South Stream.

29:04 Russian President Vladimir Putin was on hand to mark the start of construction of the South Stream gas pipeline, linking Russia with Europe. Gazprom, the state-run gas monopoly, will lay pipes under the Black Sea and via the Balkans. Bulgaria will act as a hub to access Southern Europe, neatly avoiding problematic transit countries. We are now about to finalize a huge infrastructure project. In parallel with Nord Stream, through the Baltic Sea, South Stream, using the same system, will guarantee a sure way of delivering Russian gas to our key consumers in Europe. And this is Putin talking, obviously, with a translation.

29:54 Disagreements on gas pricing with the Ukraine and Belarus has sometimes led to gas being cut off to certain regions in Europe. Now the hope is that Southern Europe will have a more dependable gas supply. So here's the big change. So they have now finally figured out how they're going to run the South Stream pipeline, which is the number one competitor to Nabucco. And if you look at the maps and you see, now we understand why Hillary Clinton was in the Balkans with what's No Chin's name? What's her name again? Rumpoy? No, no, no, the woman. Ashton.

30:37 So she of course was, what they were trying to do is try to block anything Russian. They don't want any Russian pipelines coming through. Now of course we have the gas coming from right above Georgia which obviously explains the commander of NATO saying this. NATO for its part is committed to close relations with Georgia. We support Georgia's territorial integrity and sovereignty within its internationally recognized borders. their economic zone of water there in the Caspian Sea where the pipelines are going to go right near and it also kind of explains what happened just last week in Brussels. Serbia's ambassador to NATO has died after falling from a high-rise car park in Brussels airport. A Serbian government statement said the envoy Branislav Milinkovic, who is 52, died instantly on Tuesday night

31:37 He was in Belgium for meetings of NATO foreign ministers. Reports suggest he may have jumped 30 feet or 10 meters or so from the parking level. Yeah, yeah, of course he jumped. He's like, hey, I'm just going to jump here. So they're killing off people who were in the way. We've got Hillary trying to Ward them off at every single pass. Syria has traditionally, historically always been very very important for the entire region when it comes to energy. And so now we have who is going to supply the gas to Europe. So we already have Russia supplying most of that.

32:18 but we've got the gas coming out of Egypt going up through Syria, which now we have to secure of course, which then goes from Syria through Turkey. We have Nabucco, which is going through Turkey. Everything is now going through Turkey. That is the stuff that Hillary Clinton has been working on and that's why Syria has been so important. And I think that Putin got his whole deal, whatever deal he struck, he's got his South Stream, it'll start delivering gas by 2015. And he's like, you know what? Screw it. We're not we know I can't deal with Siri anymore you deal with it. Congratulations As it were stuck holding the bag. Yeah You got to turn your speakers down John. It's so fucking annoying. I'm sorry. It's I'm I know you can barely wearing at me I'm not swearing at you. I'm sweating and I'm angry because turning it down as much as I can This is no way to do a show. I can't hear myself. I have to turn up the why don't you do that? Can you do dynamically turn up the clips?

33:17 No, I wish I could. If I turn up the clips then my voice gets louder, then it starts... No, no, I mean, in other words, play the clip without interrupting it. Yeah, but I can't change the volume. That's not the problem. Okay, well, whatever. No, I just have to buy a whole set of gear here. I can't do a month of shows like this. I'm gonna kill myself. A month? You think we're gonna... We're not gonna be home before the new year. This is not gonna happen. Alright. So anyway, so that's where I think that is. And in the New York Times, there was a very interesting article. Let me just grab this for a second. The New York Times is where the Obama administration... I wish I could find... why can't I find this article right off the bat? I'll find it in a minute.

34:17 The Obama administration is now blaming the delivery of weapons to Syrian opposition on Qatar. Qatar. Apparently Qatar... What? Yeah. Which of course is bull crap because we know that the weapons essentially were in Libya and that's the whole reason why everything went bad in Benghazi. And so they're saying, well, you know, we approved, this is where I want to find this article, we approved that Qatar gave those weapons to the opposition in Syria, because of course we could never do that.

34:57 And so now we have all these groups in Syria, we don't really know who they are and they've got all these weapons and maybe they actually do have access to the chemical weapons. And now it's going to be a huge mess and we're going to be either in the air or on the ground, boots on the ground, whatever it's going to be. Now we're stuck with it. We are literally stuck with this crap and it's our own damn fault. Looking through the times now. Yeah, it was... I don't understand. I had the article here and I just can't find it. Maybe it's under Benghazi. Here it is. U.S. approved weapons transfer ended up with Libyan jihadis and then it went on to Syria. Yeah, I'll put it in the show notes. It's definitely something to be seen. It's something to be read. It's just unbelievable.

35:55 The Obama administration did not initially raise objections when Qatar began shipping arms to opposition groups in Syria, even if it did not offer encouragement, according to current and former administration officials. Of course, no one ever goes named in these articles. But they said the United States has growing concerns that just as in Libya, the Qataris are equipping some of the wrong militants. So this is all a hedge, you know, because they know that this is a tinderbox and it's going to blow. Russia makes out again. Yeah, I really think they do and so this video Of Putin which you'll find in the show notes for six eight dot any show notes calm He's looking pretty healthy and he's literally standing there You don't know if he's the if he's the prime minister the president or if he's the CEO of Gazprom and actually he's all three of course and and you just see him like hey, we're rocking it we're gonna we're gonna deliver gas to our customers 2015 it'll be flowing right into Europe and

36:52 It'll be the, what is it now, the third different pipeline they've got into Europe? And they've completely gone around the Balkans and, you know, and they're just like screw it. We don't care. We don't care what you're doing. Surprised they haven't gone up the gut like that before. I guess it has still trouble with Georgia. Well, yeah. The Ukrainians hate them. If you look at the map for the South Stream, it goes right above Georgia into the Caspian Sea. Now that's not to say that it's a slam dunk, that there may still not be some trouble up that way. But I think that they're done with Syria. I really do. And we'll have to see. But the Nabucco pipeline, which is, as I said, the competitor, there's no plans. They're not doing it right. And all this, it's just, yeah, it's Russia. It's always been about Russia. It has nothing to do with the Syrians at all.

38:00 Are you still alive? Looking at the map. Oh, you see it? Yeah, it's uh... and they've also they also just announced something with the China better way to go it must be harder to build a pipeline through the Balkans. Well the Nabucco idea which is the the European Union and I guess the Texas companies was you know you get your stuff from Azerbaijan which of course is why we had the Eurovision song contest there you get your oil your gas from Azerbaijan yeah you bring it through Iraq through Syria

38:37 and then you bring it up through Turkey, or you take it straight through to Turkey from Iraq to Turkey. It all goes through Turkey, who by the way are going to become real royal pains in the ass. The Turks eventually are going to say, hey, we're kind of rocking it here, so we just want to... It's probably already started. Hey, why don't you bring us some Patriot missiles? Okay. Which are coming from the Netherlands, I might add. They're just going to become pains. I had a commentary about Patriot missiles recently. There's a story that was interesting because it was a Putin being quoted about the Patriot missiles and then they pulled the story I think was either in USA Today or New York Times. One of these national publications had the story. I think it was USA Today. And then the whole, all the Putin stuff was pulled out for some reason. Oh really? He was just essentially saying the Patriot missile is a piece of shit, it doesn't work. Well, the Turks like it. They already knew that.

39:34 Gazprom talks with China about natural gas pipeline in East Asia, so that's blowing it the other way. Where they would, it would be the Altai pipeline into China. And meanwhile, you know, the price of gas is so messed up that American companies can't even make enough money to get it out of the ground. That's funny. So I would say prediction wise all we have to do now is just sit back and watch as the Russians continue to build the pipelines and we are now stuck with this huge pain in the ass that is Syria with no upside, just none.

40:25 And, even worse, I think that the chemical weapons might actually be used. But not by Assad. Just all these a-holes that we've given weapons and funded and put in there, and they're just running amok. Yeah, and they don't know how anything will... you know... I mean, they're nuts. Yeah. Eat me, Hillary Clinton! Is there anything else you've been learning? You missed my... see, you didn't hear the jingle, did you? See if you can hear it. Don't eat me Hillary Clinton! Can you hear that? We should talk about this. About Lizzie? Little Lizzie. Well here's the problem with Lizzie stuff is that as I was trying to transfer this, I mean I need to do a lot of, I need to do some production work on this because the audio is just, there's not enough dynamics in it so it really doesn't have the sound that we want.

41:27 But we can talk about it. I have them here. I have them ready. We can talk about it. But you'll hear the dynamics are just not good enough to really use yet. Well, the thing is that, yeah, I know she's not Mike. She's actually being done by a camcorder. Yeah. She's hilarious. So Lizzie is, you know her from... Shut up Steve! So that's Lizzie who is, how old is she now? Is Lizzie like five? Or she's six? No, she might be six. So her dad decides it's a great idea to do a whole bunch of Lizzie clips that people can then request for donations. Which I think is a great idea. So we have these videos and it's a video of her sitting on the couch and he's filming her. And actually so here's the intro. Merry Christmas Adam and John. Here's some clips for your donation segment.

42:18 and she has a little beret and she's really cute. And then, you know, so we have all these like really awesome things like... Bah humbug slave. And what else do we have? We have this one. Merry Christmas, slave. It doesn't have the dynamics yet. I want to work on it before, you know, so for Thursday's show people will be able to request these. uh... as special donation uh... business spending human resource yes it is can't quite hear it yeah you know it's funny about little kids doing these clips

42:57 One thing, it's hard to get them to do them. I could never get my kids to do what they did and put up with it. It's one thing I can catch them where they put up with a little bit. But it's also funny because there's this one clip of they have her saying, I forgot what something, it wasn't douchebag, she does very well by the way. Here, this one. Check this. This one maybe. Donate now for your Christmas de-douching. That was the de-douching. I don't think I have the douchebag one. There's the douchebag once hilarious, but she was doing something and she kept saying it over and over and over again when she finally got it where it was actually hilarious to hear it the dad laughed at her because it was so funny and then she got all embarrassed. I know she goes like what? I mean cuz little kids don't know that they're supposed to when they're you know when they do it was children it was he was making her say WTF

43:52 I think that's what it was. And she was like, WTF. It was a long sentence. But whatever the case is, working with children and animals is like the hardest thing to do. It really is. But this one still slays me. Don't eat me, Hillary Clinton! Don't eat me, Hillary Clinton. I love that one. That one's genius. Don't eat me, Hillary Clinton. I think she just ad-libbed that. I didn't request that one, no. How sad. We're evil men, John. We are very evil. Explaining the youth of America. Meanwhile, Miss Mickey is back. Are you gonna live? Yeah? Yeah. So John immediately called it. He said, oh, she must have been puking her guts out. Yeah. Yeah. You could have gone blind.

44:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah, what? Impotent oh man. I better get checked get to work What what did you just say but I don't know that What what that was obviously a joke what obviously? Don't even want to I don't I do it. I'm so pissed off at the world. I don't want to talk about it. Oh Okay, well you can be pissed off, but I think we better thank a few executive producers because we did get a good Good to showing. Oh, that's nice. I can use that good news. What do we have? So we got some executive producers to thank and One associated executive producer starting with sir Ernie. Oh, he did the the 1212 He's an instant second night. Yeah, he did the super karma coins. Yeah, I

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46:33 Yeah, I'm gonna happen a couple of days. I might add. Yeah. Well, it's on that. What is it Sunday 9? Okay, Sunday I mean Wednesday, I don't it's dark out here. I don't know what time it is. It's It's it's 10 past 7 in the evening here. I never I don't even know where I'm where I'm always try pitch black Yeah, it is. I'm looking right outside. It's very dark. Anyway, I want to thank sir Ernie for this and also sir Robert rock and anchorage. I Did I get a note from him? 120912 which is uh essentially today. No it's not essentially today. It is today. Um you sure you didn't get a note from him? Hello? Yeah can you hear me? Yeah uh I said are you sure you didn't get a note from him? I'm looking. There it is. No I got no note from him. How can that be? Robert Joseph. Wait this might be it just says Robert. No note. No.

47:41 Wow. The donation is the corresponding... I asked him, I sent him an email saying, where's your note? He says, no note, the donation is the corresponding show date. That is... In month, date, year. Awesome. Very awesome. Thank you. Also, our Baron, the wonderful Stephen Pelsmacher, who has offered us the world by the way, he has offered us the barony of Belgium on a silver platter. He said, come on down, I'll take care of you, not a problem. Anyway, he's in with 999.99. I guess the DHS is hitting Miss Mickey and Adam in the mouth. Douchebags. Get him a douchebags. Douchebag. So a forced Hot Pockets Europe tour is in the works, something for which I can hardly be sad.

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52:55 as executive producers but also the associate executive producers we will vouch for you unlike those phonies in Hollywood and of course if you have nothing to give you can always propagate our formula. Our formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth. So there was a piece of interesting news. Okay. and I think it was hilarious that it was just glossed over and this is the

53:38 the kind of the glossing over you'd hear on any of these networks including MSNBC where I believe this came from, I think this was MSNBC, play the clip Books Cooked for the election. Okay. Jared, I have a question for you here, but first I do want to mention a little detail from this report. We actually found out that the job creation numbers for September and October were actually revised downward. So the obvious conclusion there is yes, the books were cooked by Chicago politics guys, and then i'm going to have you want to offer an apology jack welch are certainly a lot about it and i decidedly do not have to do uh... okay so apparently you know remember jack welch got fired because he came out said these numbers are bull crap waiting to get fired for the election to be able to people yelling at him about the uh... about the so-called cook uh... unemployment numbers right yeah he says they were cooked up

54:34 Well, now that they've come out with the revised numbers. Turns out they were. Well, we knew this was going to happen. By the way, I believe that we have in our red book that we believe they were cooked. Yeah, I think if you look in the red book, you'll probably see it says that after the election, it'll come out, there'll be a revision. And I think our model for this was George Bush going situation red you know, alert at all the airports, we're going to be attacked any minute by some terrorist just before his re-election. Exactly. Exactly. So the model was already set and so the Obama administration, nobody cares, nobody covered it, nobody, Jack Welch is, you know, nobody went back and said, yeah, geez, you're right, Jack. It's unbelievable to me.

55:22 It's not that unbelievable to me. I mean when it is unbelievable to me, right? But when we left what was a everyone was talking about? You know football player who killed his girlfriend and then killed himself, you know, meanwhile, we've had four five six more Young boys, and I think some women killed in Iraq Afghanistan, you know blown to pieces no one talks about that. You know the world has gone nuts and It's just crazy. Everything we talk about, everything that is on the news is the wrong thing. It is completely the wrong thing. Or good news. Yeah. This one, and this is also covered the same way that we can expect. Black boxes in cars. Play that clip. It's funny because I have this, I have, I don't know, it may not be the exact same clip, but I have a clip as well. So we'll see if it's, if it's different and I'll play, we'll play them back to back.

56:19 boxes in airplanes. What about black boxes under the hood of your car? The government accelerating plans forcing automakers to put black box recorders in every new car. It's designed to be a safety measure, Gary Vee. You say this could actually lead to a mileage tax? How's that? Absolutely, Brendan. These things always start out as safety measures. I'm sure that's the intent right now. But you know the government is like this big monolith that just needs revenues as fuel. And it's growing and growing. The easiest way to get revenues is via data. So people think, oh, that'll never happen. They just want it for safety. Look, the whole

56:57 reason Obamacare might be successful is because the IRS has the data. That's going to allow them to collect all that Obamacare revenue. That's interesting. How did they get from the black boxes to Obamacare? I don't quite understand the bridge. Hello? I'm sorry. I was trying to hear you. Hello. Is this thing on? I couldn't hear your clip. I couldn't hear your clip so I was dicking around. You couldn't hear your own clip? Seriously? I could hear my clip and then it was so low and you were starting to play your clip that I stopped. No, I didn't even play my clip so I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, that's what I was thinking. I was like, I can't hear this clip. So my question is how do they get from the black box which is

57:46 You know what is invasion of privacy and of course started with the insurance i do understand that and start started with the progressive the insurance companies you get a lower rate which is how they gonna get all these black boxes all over our lives but how in this clip how they get an idea of what is the. the move from the black box in your car to Obamacare I didn't understand that. Oh this is just bull crap that the guy just threw it in saying that you know what you buy one thing you get something else and he's trying to make an analogy my thinking is, well you can play your clip now, but it's the same thing essentially. Okay my thinking is and this is in the book I mean I think we've talked about this before

58:26 The black box is for one reason and one reason only. It's a revenue generator. It's when you, especially like in California, you have to go every year, you got every two years or every year you have to go get your smog. It's a complete scam that you go in and you have to pay, you know, 50 bucks or whatever to get your smog checked. And the guy has to buy a bunch of gear and then they send it to the state as a system. In the future, when you have your smog checked, or there's going to be like a yearly check, and they're going to check your black box for speeding violations. If you went 50 miles an hour in a 35 mile an hour zone, it's against the law. You don't need to have a cop catch you. You can catch yourself.

59:12 And so you're going to get a big bill at the end when you have to re-register your car and it's going to include all these tickets. Because they have a GPS, they know what street you're on. And if you're going past the speed limit, it'll be flagged and you'll be getting like thousands of dollars for the tickets could just go on a few. They can make it so you can't go one mile an hour over the speed limit. And so but we already have these data recorders in most in most American made cars, or most cars that are sold in America already have this. But what I don't understand is where was this legislation? Where did this just come in? Did

59:48 Did we miss something that was slipped in? This is now mandatory? I mean, when did this happen? This is not explained in your clip nor in my clip. I have no idea where this is coming from out of the blue. It's obviously a rider, but it's some transportation bill. Oh man. Well, I didn't see it. I didn't see it either. I think as much legislation as we plow through You're gonna have to get a hold of that Federal Register friend of yours in Denver and ask him if he's seen it. It's obvious they're gonna do this. I mean, I don't see why... If I was an owner of this tyrannical government, I'd do it. It's crazy not to. It's for the day. Yeah. It's not quite a pet peeve.

1:00:38 Not good enough for that. Yeah, I didn't quite get the pep. Well, it's because it's lukewarm, it's warmed over. We've done it before, we talked about it before. It's just now it's getting a little closer to reality. Right. And what I'm thinking is they have to standardize it. That's the key here. It's not that cars don't already have these black boxes, but they don't have them set up in a very easy way with a special series of data points that anyone can extract and then give you tickets. Right. So they'll standardize something that makes it so every one of these cars will be essentially spying on you. Let me see if there was something different in my clip. Let's just listen to it. Beginning in September of 2014, every new vehicle sold in the US will be required to have a so-called black box.

1:01:24 the boxes record the last few seconds before crash providing such clues as vehicle speed, steering, whether the brakes were applied and if the driver was wearing a seatbelt. If you are guilty of something it's gonna hurt you. If you're innocent of something it could be a real defense for you. That's one of the guys from Car Talk on NPR. The insurance industry supports the move even though most drivers are unaware that 96 percent of cars sold today already have data recorders installed. People are dying on the freeways and these people are trying to make it so that doesn't happen. That's a good thing. Privacy advocates say the government and automakers are traveling toward a slippery slope by spreading an intrusive technology without the policy in place to prevent the misuse of information. You know, that's nothing. That's nothing, man. The big conversation over here is the electronic patient dossier, the EPD for healthcare here.

1:02:21 When you go to the doctor and let's just say you are depressed, which happens a lot in these dark days, then the doctor will prescribe you some kind of psychotropic drug and will put, you know, depression on your sheet. It immediately goes electronically right to the insurance company. That's odd. United States really nice you think that's odd. I think it's yeah That's it's meant for the insurance industry surprise me, but this is what this is This is what's coming for everybody and people and a lot and a lot of people like yeah I think this in you know this EPD this you know electronic patient dossier is really good You know so they can't mess up my drugs or anything, but it's going to the insurance company directly to the insurance companies Yeah, and they'll mess up your drugs anyway. Yeah, I

1:03:19 But how crazy is that? Well I've always believed, I hate to say it because I'm now sounding a little too much like you, I've always believed those Safeway club cards, you join the Safeway club, I think that information is designed to go to insurance companies. Yeah, so this guy eats a lot of ham. Well we were at the market So literally, on Saturdays right around the corner from where we're renting this place, there's a market. And this is an old, old, old school market, you know, the one with the Havana Gila organs. And literally, they have signs everywhere, no cash, we prefer that you would pin. And pin is kind of the debit card system here. So at the market,

1:04:09 At the market where you're supposed to be using just cash, they're doing the same thing now. It's all cashless, everything's electronic, everything's going through databases. I mean it is truly Gitmo Nation, man. Man. Is it really, yeah man? Amen. These things are, are you telling me at a farmer's market? Yes, a farmer's market. Yes! Where the guy, I mean the guy is actually grabbing your ground beef with his bare hands, which is like a very Dutch kind of butcher thing to do. They don't wear gloves or anything. Of course they don't have to because it's not touching any money. But the whole thing is you've got this very old school kind of a true farmer's market where the butcher is almost like slaughtering the cow in the back, but then he wants electronic money. It's just mind-boggling.

1:05:05 Did you talk to anybody about this? Any of these farmers? Unless they think this is a good idea. Well it's funny because I said, do you really want me to give you plastic instead of money? He said, well no, it's up to you. But it was obvious. No, you can't talk to these guys. No, you can't talk sense into them. No, this is zombification man. Forget about it. I saw a great commercial on television. I'm going to play you the news story and then before we get to the payoff I want you to tell me what the promotion is for. Okay? You think you can do it? Uh, yeah. We're learning about a new investigation of the United States Secret Service for what's being called an immense and embarrassing security breach. Do you know what it is yet?

1:05:56 security breach. It's a commercial, it's a promotion for something. Sensitive information about employees and investigations lost in a very public place. Brian Tyler. You gotta turn down the speakers. I have to have it on my, up to my ear or I cannot hear the clip. Well, I'm just gonna stop doing the show. We can't do a show like this. has been looking into this and has the details. This is, I had all of us asking how could this happen? How could it happen and I think they're still asking that question. Kate Wolf, this data was on computer tapes that were misplaced. It is potentially damaging information that one expert says could put Secret Service agents lives at risk or the lives of their families and it's been unaccounted for for almost five years.

1:06:43 a common you know it is yet or not yeah i'd say i can look at their their their trying to sell floppy disks because to replace computer tapes no no that's gotta be a because no i know that all of you know computer tapes i have to move to floppy disks you gotta get away from that part of the story gotta get you gotta get more into the concept i just tell me what it is like It just sounds like a wolf going on and on. Law enforcement and congressional sources tell CNN the US Secret Service is being investigated for a potentially damaging loss of information. The data was on two backup computer tapes which contain very sensitive personnel and investigative information. Not the cloud, I hope. No, no. You lost the drive containing the identity of every agent. It might remind you of the new James Bond movie Skyfall. Ah, there it is. The James Bond movie.

1:07:39 And so they bring up this story about some tapes that have been lost for five years or whatever and it's only a promotion for the James Bond movie. Yeah, we're blatantly obvious. Computer tapes are so important. Computer tapes. So blatantly obvious. You know, we missed one a couple weeks ago. I had a clip. I was going to discuss this. There's a bunch of new diseases breaking out all over the world. Oh. And, oh yes, there's a new Ebola that's in the air. You're going to get that. And then apparently there's the reemergence of the Marfan virus, which is going to be an outbreak. What is that?

1:08:18 Well, if you can see what movie came out right during this bullcrap was, more fans is what Abraham Lincoln had that made him so tall and gangly. It's a syndrome. and uh... yeah look at that more fans so they're bringing a more fast just in time it's where to get you came out the little i've just forgot to talk about it became a exactly when the abraham lincoln movie was released exactly how i didn't know that the guy had some kind of weird disease marcia martin's yeah really maybe i have that uh... could be more fans it makes your face makes your face like abraham lincoln so i don't think you do

1:09:02 Wait a minute. I wish I could figure out how we can fix this sound. I'm just gonna... I can turn the threshold up. No, that... maybe. I just don't understand. I want to cry. I just want to make a good show. This is going to be great about... Yeah, about 10 minutes before we're done. About two or three weeks from now. Oh yeah. What? Adam Curry found dead in a ditch. Why? I just can't stand the echo. It's just fucking killing me.

1:09:48 Getting an echo now? Yeah. Even when you're... No, no, you have to understand, even when you're talking I'm hearing an echo. I mean that makes no sense. It's something... Right, onward. Onward, exactly. Okay, so... I have a funny clip. Oh, okay. There's a, this guy, let me, this is a guy named Kevin Hassett who is a former Federal Reserve senior economist testifying before Congress about, you know, the whole fiscal cliff, the economy falling apart. And this New Mexico senator who apparently has been in the Senate for 30 years and I've never heard of him before, never saw him before, Jeff Bingaman.

1:10:39 He seems to be a complete idiot. So he's got this hasset, now you have to just hear this, Hassett has already went on and on about how we can do this and how we can do that, but at no point did he ever think that we should either go over the cliff or we should do anything nasty, he was just saying we got, did not do that. But this guy was insisting that he was gonna, he just kinda, this is called leading the witness, and this went, I only have three examples, he does it once, twice, the third time. this was all he did the whole time is as a and you just have to hear it is so funny i wish i knew what to play

1:11:16 Douchebag Senator leading the witness. Oh, okay. Well, I was looking for L leading the witness. Here we go. If we have the spending cuts and deficits are lower, then we might have higher economic growth in the long run because we went through that struggle last year. So you think your position is that we should be ready to go through that struggle again and in fact default on the national debt if necessary in order to enforce spending limits? That's of course not my position, Senator. My position is not that we should ever default on the national debt. My position is that the politics of deficit reduction, as you all know better than me, are very, very difficult and I'm not a political expert.

1:11:58 And if there's a mechanism out there, a thing that we have to do now and then that helps deficit reduction occur, then I'm not so willing to stop that process for all of time. But you're saying that defaulting on the national debt may be one of those things we have to do now and then. No, it's not. No, sir. We did not default on the debt last summer. We did not, but the threat is there again that we might here in January or February default on the debt. Is it your position that we should be willing to default on the debt if that's necessary in order to force spending cuts? I would not be willing to default on the debt under any circumstance. I could add that if you look at... Okay.

1:12:43 Well, so this is what goes on in Congress. I'm watching this hearing and I'm listening to this guy go on, you think we should default on the national debt? No. So what I'm hearing from you is that we should default on the national debt. No, I'm not saying that. Okay, so then we should default on the national debt instead? Anyway, I just found it weird. I guess you didn't think much of it. I'm distracted john i'm sorry i'm angry i'm tired i'm upset i'm hearing myself fifteen times a year annoyed by me mentioning it every single time i just don't know what to do and i'm just hearing myself like soap in my head is just that i don't know what to do i don't know.

1:13:29 And on top of all that where we have our 12 12 12 celebration we how long have we been pushing 12 12 12 for 12 12 12 nights we've been pushing this for At least a year and now all of a sudden Oh, we've got to have some douchebags come in and take our date live December 12 who took our day Jovie and So, a couple of things with this. First of all,

1:14:20 What a bunch of douchebags. So they're doing a concert now, live from Madison Square Garden, and it's for Sandy, but if you listen closely, it's to benefit the Robin Hood Foundation. Because that's literally what the guy said. Not to benefit victims of Hurricane Sandy, but to benefit the Robin Hood Foundation. So I'm like, you know what, let me look at... Oh, by the way, presented by Chase. What the hell is that? Presented by chase, so I'm like I'm gonna go take a look at this organization who have not filed their 2011 form 990 I might point out which I think is incredibly bad form seeing as it's due by October 16th and must be published by law Which they have not done. This is the mother load John the mother effin load this charity

1:15:15 in 2010, because of course we don't have 2011 because they haven't published yet against all laws, brought in a $147,526,786. A hundred and forty seven million dollars. Their net assets in 2010 were $312 million. This is the mother load of all charities. Who's on the board of directors? Well, of course Jamie Dimon, obviously that's why it's presented by Chase You know, I mean, I mean what a douchebag move if Chase wants to help people out Fine, but they have to have this presented by Chase. Oh, and by the way, it's also presented by Verizon and by Sprint and by all it's like the whole thing is it makes me throw up in my mouth and

1:16:09 So I look at this 2010 Form 990, oh my god. So people are making so much money off of this. I beg of you, when they put this concert on, which will be televised on every network uninterrupted, brought to you by Chase, Do not give any money. You want to help people out, go down to the affected areas, Jersey, Jersey Shore, go to Staten Island, whatever it is, bring those people some actual water and blankets. Do not give money to these a-holes. Let me give you just a couple of examples of what they did in 2010. So they had this big show in 2010. And by the way, they don't give any money directly, they only give money to other charities.

1:16:58 Let me say that again. So they don't give money directly to people, they only give money to other non-profit charities and the list is endless when you look at it. But you know, they're given to charter schools and all kinds of other amazing charities. 100% of every dollar donated goes directly to help those in need, it says. Bullshit. Did you look at this board? Wow. Yeah, oh yeah, no, it's got everybody on there. So in 2010 they did another little concert to raise some money and I happen to know one of the guys who did the production, Alex Colletti. Alex Colletti, I worked with him for many years at MTV and he does, he did all the MTV Unplugged concerts. So let me see, Alex made $315,000 off that but even more important in this 2010 charity event Stevie Wonder performed and Stevie Wonder was paid $500,000 for that.

1:17:54 So these artists are not doing this for free. Some of them may be, but certainly not all of them. And Stevie Wonder apparently doesn't show up for nothing. These guys have $116 million invested in stocks and bonds. of this money that they have. I wonder, do you think Chase does that for them? They have $50 million invested in Central American and Caribbean investments, $9.5 million in North American investments, $24.5 million in European, including Iceland and Greenland. Oh, and by the way, the people who run this outfit, let's see, what do you think would a normal salary be for a charitable organization as the CEO, John? What would a normal salary be?

1:18:38 for a charitable organization? Yeah. But if it was huge like this one, I would say maybe $250,000. How about $575,000? Okay. A little high. A little high? A little high, he says? Oh my God. We've got the number two on the list, 282,000. Then we have 202, 264, 261, 382,000, 283, 256, 224. How many people do they need? Well, they've got, oh, the salaries in total are the millions of dollars a year, but just people who are in executive positions, 11 of them, this is a bunch of rich people

1:19:23 And I guess they just put their own money into this and then turn it right around and invest it in chase vehicles. The whole thing smells. I think there's more than just Chase here because you have a bunch of capital management companies that are involved with this Maverick Capital, Oxxif, Starwood Capital Group. Well it doesn't actually say what this is invested in but since we know that Chase is sponsoring the event and they're not doing it silently it's brought to you by Chase. Brought to you by Chase. It's just like The whole thing is disgusting and they do not give money directly to people, they give it to other charitable organizations like the Audubon Society. Well if you listen to this sentence again.

1:20:12 And tell me this, I'm going to read it. 100% of every dollar donated goes directly to help those in need. Ah, to help. Yes, correct. To help those in need through the... That's a great sentence, by the way. It is great. Well, let's listen to the commercial again. Maybe we can catch more from that. Live December 12th, Bon Jovi, Eric Clapton. Dave Grohl, Billy Joel, Alicia Keys, Chris Martin, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, Eddie Vedder, Roger Waters, Kanye West, The Who, Paul McCartney and many more. Live from Madison Square Garden 12 12 12. The concert for Sandy Relief to benefit the Robin Hood Relief Fund presented by Chase. Live

1:20:57 Wednesday night December 12th at 730. I mean literally it says the concert for Sandy to benefit the Robin Hood Relief Foundation doesn't say to benefit the Sandy people. It doesn't say that. No, you know. Presented by Chase. You know, you could have done that voiceover. It sounds like one of your voices. Yeah. Live to benefit a bunch of douchebags. Yeah. So they only give money to other charities and it's just a bunch of elitist BS. I've never heard of these charities. So there's the SEIU Home Industry Charity. That's the Service Employees International Union. Yeah.

1:21:49 What do they need money for? I don't know, they got $600,000 from them. This is all 2010, I don't have 2011 numbers. Advocates for Children of New York, After Hours Project, Inc., Aid for AIDS, AIDS Center of Queens, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Andrew Glover Youth Program, Associates to Benefit Children, Aster Services for Children, Audubon Family Planning, Bank Street College of Education. I mean, what is this? And I just picked one of them out, which was the Uncommon Schools, which they gave $2 million to Uncommon Schools. And Uncommon Schools has like, what's the guy from Audible is on the board?

1:22:38 What's his name, the owner of Audible? I have no idea his name. You know his name, you do know his name. I thought maybe. But you know, it's just, and again, and here's all these, so this is a charter school. And I'm just looking at the amounts of money that people are making here. The CEO of this non-profit, 200 grand. The COO, 175. The CFO, 150. This is a charitable school? They're getting tax-free money? Is the whole world just not paying taxes except us? Are we just stupid? Are we just completely stupid? There's 20 people here on this payroll.

1:23:26 Well, we're just not on that particular merry-go-round, aren't we? No, we're not on that merry-go-round. We missed it. We didn't get on. We didn't get on board. Instead, we're doing this podcast. And it's worse than that. People don't like me. Besides the fact that we're not on the merry-go-round, people just generally don't like me. Yeah, I agree with that. And it's not fair. I'm sad. Wow. Anyway, it will be worse by the way next year when you have to pay the minimum. Yeah. Yeah. I know you think it's funny No, I don't I don't think it's seriously. No, I Remember I recall that I talked about the AMT over a year ago and I was even trying to explain it Nice and I still don't really understand it. Of course. This is the whole thing is f'd

1:24:23 But this, you know, this, you know, it's like everyone's gonna feel good, everyone's gonna text their money, and we're gonna have another Bon Jovi fest, and these guys apparently are not doing it for free. I mean, can you believe Stevie Wonder charged half a million dollars for whatever he did for these guys? He said a hundred thousand. No, five hundred thousand dollars, half a million. Oh it's 500,000? Stevie Wonder received in 2010 from this fantastic 300 million dollar charity half a million dollars and in 2010 he did, you know I'll tell you what it is that he did because I looked it up. This was Robin Hood gala gets Uma Thurman Stevie Wonder to lure donors. This is what Stevie did in 2010. The entertainment is led by Stevie Wonder

1:25:12 I'm loading this article from Bloomberg foundation defy defy the recession and raise the record setting 72.7 million dollars of this annual spring gala last year and then they say Stevie Wonder you know he he took care of the entertainment so you can you can say yeah we had to pay the guy some money so that we could raise $72 million, but A, the $72 million is not all going directly into people's pockets. They're investing this money, maybe for later, for a rainy day. But the inference is that these people show up for nothing. But Stevie Wonder is charging a half a million bucks. Do you think any of these people are really doing it for free?

1:26:02 I mean we can't even know but what I mean I only apparently only the suckers are doing it for free. I can't wait you know I'm gonna mark this down on my calendar and I'm gonna I will make it my personal business that we're going to see who charged what and or at least who was paid what in a year from now or probably two years because these a-holes don't publish their their information in a timely manner because they have to have it in by October 16th So I don't even know what they did last year. But Stevie Wonder, half a million bucks, please. Hey, I'd do it for half a million bucks. Well, of course you would. But people get duped and they think that this is all great. And meanwhile, it's benefiting the foundation, not the people directly. And 100% of this money goes towards, say it one more time.

1:26:55 100% of every dollar donated goes directly to help those in need. To help doesn't mean it goes to them, it goes to help them by giving to the SEIU. This is like the Red Cross, this is horrible. If you look it says goes directly to help. Yeah. But does that even mean? Well it goes directly to help by giving it to someone else who's going to promise to help after they pay themselves a nice salary. These people are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year of these little charities you've never heard of that are living off of this big charity run by a bunch of elitist douchebags. Kind of summarize the situation. Very nicely I might add. Yeah.

1:27:48 Do not give any money to this to these jabronis if you want to help go down and help Seriously, these people do need water and blankets for real And don't change your Twitter icon either Right. I love people that change their Twitter icon. There's a few of them that still have the soap up icons floating around They never changed it back. I forgot to change it. I Hey man, I never changed it back. Wow. I think there are a couple people with the blue or the green icons that they've never changed back. Do you think we could ever get people to do that for us? Put a no agenda icon? Yeah. Or just, you know, I don't know, change something. Do we start a movement? Could we start any kind of movement whatsoever? What do you think? No, no.

1:28:48 I think you're right probably could. Okay, gotta move the microphone over here so I can. Did your microphone just crap out? No, they do. Well, you can't hear me? Yeah, I got you now. You're okay. You're good. You're good to go. All right, here we go. Sir Keith Edwards in Gilbert, Arizona came in this week with $125 asking us to keep up the great work and cheers to another year of living the American dream of just getting by. You can count on that. Please send karma to my fellow wage slaves and all of the donors. You've got karma. Hey, Cruz and Austin. Whoa.

1:29:46 Rene is currently robbing your house. No, well there's not much to rob so... $125 saying in the morning I just robbed Adam's house and I'm sending him the money. Just wanted to pay for one night Airbnb, stay for Adam and Mickey in the great city of Rotterdam. Does not say that, really? I heard the artificial beach at Boomjiscada. Boomjiscada. is real nice. I've never even heard of it. I'd like all the boners out there to at least pick up a small monthly donation and become part of the 1%. Please give me some karma for my new upcoming business. Alrighty. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it. You've got karma. Bow in Clear Lake, Wisconsin.

1:30:35 It'll travel money for Mickey and Adam donating since first show started two dollars a month, which is an old defunct donor, which is how you may still be on that. Uh, did we still have a couple of two buck a monthers? Yeah, we do now up to 49 a month value for value. Put push the subscriptions. I need a chemtrails little girl shut up slave two to the head little girl yay 73 dudes. Hold on a second the only thing I don't have lined up is the little girl yay. And he's got a mesh going I guess in Austin. Well you know what this is this is uh well let me do the the thing first and then uh we'll do the thing after uh the thing.

1:31:18 You've got karma. So Austin is actually home to the HSMM-mesh network which is a bunch of hams who have taken Linksys routers and they've put Jack software on it and they've actually created a mesh network, a Wi-Fi mesh network which I'm not quite sure how far it reaches but it's pretty big, it's bigger than Austin And it's something I've been in now that I'm an official ham I can do. And it's you know they've got like big antenna so imagine a Wi-Fi network that is really big with really big antennas and really powerful and is meshed. And it's all over the state. It's the kind of thing you like.

1:32:06 I find it hard to believe. No, he has the website here, hsmm-mesh.org. I've looked into it, it's pretty amazing. It really is. How do you get on it? If you were just sitting around with your computer, it would show up or they have a hidden SSID or whatever? You can't just get it with your computer, it's only for the mesh network. You'd have to have one of these routers, then you connect that to the mesh network and then you can connect your computer or your own Wi-Fi network to the mesh network, but you won't get just the SSID out of the air. That's not how it works. There's a special router involved? No, you take an old Linksys router and you got to load some Jack software onto it. Okay.

1:32:52 But it is truly very cool. I've never heard of it. Well, you also, you know, can't hit the repeater. I mean, you're not like an active man. From Tomsa Sedeviglind, we have Per Ola Gustafson Gustafson. Huh? That's what the owner is. Yeah. Tantanum Sedev? Yeah, that's what I said. Yeah. 120 bucks is the maximum amount I can pay for gas with my debit card. That gets you 13 gallons in Sweden, barely a full tank. So they're paying $10 a gallon, which is what everybody wants us to pay. I guess I cannot donate a higher amount either. Merry Christmas and a happy end of the world. Thank you. Happy end of the world to you too, Per. Patrick Mackem in Mount Vernon, New York, $111.11.

1:33:52 Hansjorg Schultz in Rostock. Some gas money for the Hot Pockets Europe Tour. 100 bucks. That's good gas money. That'll get you 10 gallons of gas. Yep. That'll get you 200 miles. Anthony Farmer, Lost Wages Nevada. 81-81. Here's 12-12 from Lost Wages and 69-69 from Nevada. Nuts. Hopefully it's enough to help Adam and Ms. M. grease their way out of Merkle's Euro land in time to enjoy Xmas where it's warm. A Dvorak you will obey, followed by a Huntsman and a little financial karma would be great. Okay... Hold on one second... You will obey. You will obey. You will obey. I don't really understand this situation.

1:34:47 You've got karma. 69! 69, dude! Alright, so this nonsense continues. It's unbelievable. As we know, this was begun almost, maybe a year ago. Do you think it was maybe a year ago already? I don't know. I have Carrie Shun's notes somewhere. Yeah, you have it written down, I believe. Anyway, she went and ran around and she gives us a donation depending on how far she goes. And a 6969 and triggered this crazy thing we don't even try to or solicit. Anyway, so did Ashley Hurst out of Seattle, Washington. 6969, the only Sunday service worth attending and a Huntsman Karma would be her request. You've got Karma.

1:35:48 ST Webb and Drumbo, Ontario, 6969. Huntsman Karma, that's interesting that two people in a row by coincidence would ask for Huntsman Karma, proving once again that random number theory is correct. Everything happens in bunches. Huntsman Karma, in a new world order please and a big douchebag call out to Homeland Security. that just for adam but in principle to get a He's a developer for you. Okay, I'll talk to him about this. Anyway... He wants a Huntsman Karma New World Order. You can't just gloss over these things. No, no, I was reading... He's still reading his note. You need to do this at the end of the note. All right. Are you done? Done. Done with the note? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You've got karma.

1:37:10 This has been Portugal, Jose Abreu, a donation to assist paying for Adam's teepee, which I still think you should have gone to, from Getmo Nation Sardines. Karma and Parliament Mumble Small Child Yay for my nephew and nieces. Okay, Parliament Mumble Small Child Yay. I think we can possibly do some of that. I just don't have enough hands on deck here. There we go. Done. You've got karma. Mike Nichol, Sir Mike Nicholaychuk, Nicholaychuk in Saskatoon.

1:38:05 ITM John and Adam, Sir Mike aka RollSK with another donation from Paris of the Prairies Saskatoon. Thanks very much for the birthday shoutout. Notice I didn't have to say that, he said it. It's the Paris of the Prairies. Yep. Thanks very much for the birthday shoutout and all the karma you've sent me over the years. I have no doubt that the karma played a big part in both my successful divorce... I don't know if that's what it's for. A.K.A. kept my house and didn't have to pay her out much. And also the new relationship I have with a wonderful girl, I'm sure the latter is directly a result of the swassle-nuff karma. So send me more. Please keep up the media assassination. And Mickey, get home safe. Please send me a shut-up slave kid with a parliament yay karma. Okey-dokey.

1:38:55 You've got karma. 6969 that it's pronounced Schroeder by the way. He says to me looks like Schroeder, but it's Schroeder looking at my paycheck. I noticed that it ended in 6969 So I must donate I have been a longtime five buck a month boner and now it's time to upgrade to $12 a month Can I get a karma shot for my birthday coming up on the 10th and Adam for his euro trip? Yes You've got karma

1:39:34 So I'm sitting here by the window where there's this little table in this apartment and I've just learned that the radiator is right underneath. So, thank you darling. So it's almost like someone lights a fire. In between my legs every 15 minutes and it just you know like have you ever sat by the radiator on a cold day and it's just it's just like wafting up and I'm fainting. Yeah, interesting show apparently. Yeah, all right. Just so you know. Okay, Maximilian Mann in Konstanz. Where is that? Is that Austria? Where is that? I don't know. 6969. Donald Kuhl, Windham North, New Hampshire, 6969. Hey fellow slaves, shaves, was introduced to the best podcast in the universe this fall on a 25 hour drive from New Hampshire to Nebraska towing my race car.

1:40:36 Thanks for keeping me sane. Yay! Done cool. P.S. The car took first, second, and third in two classes at the SCCA Nationals. Wow. Must be no agenda karma. Give us some more. You got it. You've got karma. How you get three places in two races? I don't know. And by the way... Or second and third in two classes. By the way that wraps it up doesn't it? Yeah, the 69-69 is done. 69, DUDES! James Shea from Brewston Mill, West Virginia, your neck of the woods, decided to go off the rails with 68-68.

1:41:26 Hey, Shada, since I've been listening to the show for about two months now, I'd have to say it's good stuff. Shout out to my buddy Aaron Yoho for turning me on to the show. After listening to Sunday's show, I decided to stop being a boner so Adam could take care of his hot mic issues. Merry Christmas. I'm not really into reciprocating oral sex, so let's just do 68-68 and I'll owe you one. Aha! A joke. Can I get a jobs, jobs, jobs to the head, little girl? Yay. Yeah, I think we can do that. Here we go. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Eric Henry, Orlando, Florida. Also off the reservation was 6776. I like that little palindrome.

1:42:20 Donating for my birthday today, 50 bucks for you guys, 1776 for the year of our revolution. This also happens to be the refund for two douchebag buttons from No Agenda Nation. I think if Eric got a little more plugging he would have made them. Oh. Remember the douchebag button? I did not. Oh well, it's just scraping by. Living the American dream in Orlando. I noticed the other day there are no knights living in Orlando. What? It's what he says. Please call me and all my fellow Orlando-ites out as douchebags. Douchebag! Need more Orlando-ites to be Orlando Knights! At this rate, with my poultry donation, I will be the first. Please give a special douchebag call out to Mac Farrell. Douchebag! Mac Farrell, can you get two to the head rainstick karma? You didn't bring the rainstick, did you? Uh, no. And even if I had, this is the last place I would shake that thing.

1:43:15 I don't blame you. So I got some karma for you two and the guys working on No Agenda Florida. Hopefully they will host a downloadable file soon. You've got karma. Charles Peden, Peenville, North Carolina, 6666. Nice. I'm donating 3333 for my buddy David Fox for his 33rd birthday on December 5th and 333 For myself and my 33rd birthday on 12-12-12, wow. Dave would like a 3 as the magic number with a lone wolf mixer. And I'd like an atl-ugh. An Atlas Shrug Karma as I close down my business and live the American dream of just getting by. Alright. 3, that's the magic number. 3, it's the magic number. Atlas Shrug. By Ayn Rand.

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1:46:04 555 please keep doing the show. Okay. Having your work with ICE is the worst or having to work for ICE is the worst. I'm so sorry you're stuck in Holland, Ms. Mickey. I'd like a two to the head for McAfee. This was definitely a hit job and karma for Adam and Ms. Mickey. Thank you so much. You've got karma. Highly appreciated. Robert Stokes in Middlethlee in Texas. 5555 send some Steven sisters and oil and gas karma to be a good friend in Oklahoma City Maybe the freeloading douchebag will get off of Santa's naughty list this year You've got a sense of seven sisters Yeah, the seven sisters as in the seven oil sisters All right, sir stone in Rapid City, South Dakota at 55 10 double nickels on the dime Which is a dying donation by the way

1:47:01 Stone giving thanks. I don't think people even remember when we started double nickels on the dime And it was really that it was really the first donation. That was a kind of gimmick. Yeah out of a first numerology donation So yeah, 55 10 double nickels on the dime. We have swazzle enough. We have nine nine nine nine nine We have 12 12 so we got all kinds of stuff. And by the way, we didn't make any of this up. I No, I agree. None of this was our initiatives. None of it. Nope. But our listeners want us to do.

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1:50:59 I'd like to remind people to go to devorek.org and help us out for this Thursday show which will also be done on the road and Adam won't be any happier than he is now. Well the only thing that's going to be different, first of all we're both going to have to reconnect. I can't even hear myself through the echo on this thing. And then I'm just going to go and spend the money we've received today on getting gear Because I this is just on it's we can't this is not the best in fact this is the worst podcast in the universe. Can you reconnect with me for a second? Can you even hear me? I'm fine. Yeah reconnect William just see if we can get rid of this echo because this is just like crazy so I'm just there we go. Yeah thank you disconnected from server let me reconnect and there we go reconnected. Let's see you there?

1:51:57 Yeah. Say something. Hello. Yeah, and now there's no echo. Unbelievable. I love it! Groovy let me hit this. So we will definitely be working on some of the equipment since it's going to be for an extended period of time. We'll get a couple things set up here and I will definitely move my location from the radiator. I'm literally I'm falling down from heat exhaustion from this radiator. It's crazy. place to place all that stuff there. Oh who knew? Just turn it off the radio, it doesn't have a knob on it you can twist it turns it off. No it's stuck behind some thing well maybe I can turn it off but you know it's like this is a small place there's only one you know one knob for everything. Don't worry about me let me congratulate a couple of people who are celebrating birthdays Lisa Carter says happy birthday to her fiance Carl Dietrich he turns 34 Charles

1:53:01 I just went faint. If you hear that hot yeah, and well yeah, yeah, it's just a window It's it's minus eight degrees outside. You know that'll that'll blend with the heat of this thing It's not going to blend at all Yeah, yeah, you will and then what's great about it. You get to feel that two kinds of atmospheres in the same room It's cool. Could you please just grab your sword? That's all we really need right now. Yeah, like that still have it Wiley Harp and Steve

1:53:58 So step forward, please, both of you have reached that level. That level that means that you've donated a sufficient amount to the best podcast in the universe. And that is part of our model that we call Value for Value. I hereby can proudly pronounce thee Sir Wiley and Sir Steven Knights of the No Agenda Roundtable. Gentlemen, come on down for your hookers and blow, your rent boys and chardonnay, your hot pants and booze, your wenches and beer, ruby nests, women and rosé, geishas and sake, vodka, vanilla, gerbils and ginger ale, and mutton and mead. We can't add much more to that list. Was gerbils in there? I don't know. Did you hear that?

1:54:35 I heard you say gerbils. Gerbils and ginger ale. That's the... Yeah. Terrible. I've been saying it for three weeks and now is the first time you're hearing it? Yeah, I never heard it before. Well, you will be happy to know the press is very peeved. The The White House has now said that not only are they going to do the inauguration of President Obama on Sunday, they're going to do it in private and they have not invited the press to be a part of this ceremony. Now we've been going on about this for a couple weeks now but of course it all really started when the president was inaugurated the first time around and they did that twice and according to John that was of course because there are two Obamas

1:55:29 And they're just holding, they're just keeping the whole vibe going, but the fact that they are not going to allow the press to be a part of the inauguration is, well, suspicious to say the least. Maybe he does a pledge to the devil. Yeah. Yeah, that was a billion wears a black kind of a thing and he's got there they have the pentagram Beelzebub and he did he pledges allegiance to the devil and they don't want the press seeing that only Hillary Well, there's a possible it's funny because there's on C-SPAN There was this it was almost like It was like a 10 minute video about how awesome Hillary is and

1:56:15 and that had all this world no seriously you gotta see this is a disease numbers on the other if it really fifty seven percent of the electorate will vote for tomorrow for to be president all that's what it was about and you have tony blair and uh... and as she won paris and just every single elitist douchebag and then we have a a who'd barack who is that what is the uh... what is his current title i don't know what he has one does he by must Douchebag. Yeah, Israeli douchebag. In this video he says the following thing. Hillary was flying so much and popping up in all corners of the world almost simultaneously that we launched an investigation through our intelligence community. They found that surely there are two Hillary's. There you go, two Hillary Clintons. Not just two Obamas but two Hillary's.

1:57:13 It's possible. That's why one of them doesn't sweat No, did you have any thoughts on the nurse being? Suiciding herself that one who picked up the phone for the Queen. Yeah. Well, so first of all, we don't actually know that she suicided herself This is the thing that bothers me is that this is not That has not been confirmed. So we don't know that that is just a you know, that's just what people are thinking and What I find unbelievable is that if it is true that we have this there's a lady who lives in a palace in the middle of London, an old lady, and she is so important that when someone makes a joke about her and then someone

1:58:07 Mistakes of her voice for someone else's they get so upset by the media that they go kill themselves I mean what kind of insane world are we living in and by the way, that would be The same lady whose daughter-in-law was killed by the same media I mean the whole thing is just bizarre to me bizarre. I think the nurse knew something now I you know what what what could it be that you would know about reptilian babies. Oh there you go. She was actually twins. That's the way it works. They got twins and in the womb is one mammalian baby and they have to wait for the lizard baby to eat the other one. Okay thanks John. Yeah you think me and David Ikes. You've really cheered me up.

1:59:08 Here's what I don't understand. Did we have a donation from Mike Elgin? No, I didn't see. Yes, Mike Elgin, who you called out as a douchebag, it came in after the midnight deadline. So he'll be thanked for it. He actually became an associate executive producer for the next show on Thursday. Okay, because he, you know, I guess I signed up for Google Plus at some point. No, I didn't sign up for it. I had a Gmail account. What? I have a calendar. So I you know, I get all these emails about Google Plus and because he mentioned me and you know There's a he so he wrote this blog post about you know how he got called out. So we'll talk about that But then there's all these people who posted they all hate me I mean, this is where you got to that hate me. They would they really hate you? Wow Okay, oh you poor thing Really?

2:00:05 Meanwhile the war on weed continues in the United States. Here's a little clip which kind of sets up the issue. Here's part of a letter he signed with 15 other members of Congress from around the country. Quote, we ask that your departments take no enforcement action against anyone who acts in compliance with the laws of Colorado, Washington or any other states that choose to regulate access to marijuana for medicinal or personal use. We believe the collective judgment of voters and state lawmakers must be respected. Now the only response we have from the feds is a statement issued yesterday by the U.S. attorney here in western Washington, Jenny Durkan. She says the department's responsibility to enforce the Controlled Substances Act remains unchanged. Growing, selling, or possessing any amount of marijuana remains illegal under federal law.

2:00:57 This is very interesting as of course the news media in particularly in Washington, I haven't seen too much news media in Colorado strangely enough, although it's got to be out there. It's like are we really going to see the federal agents move in? and arrest people in a state where this is now legal? Do you really think that's going to happen, John? Do you think that Obama is that stupid? Happened in California. Yeah, but it was different. It was medicinal marijuana and it was... Which is even... medicinal is like... there's about 14 states where medicinal marijuana is legal and they promised when Obama ran in 2008 that they were going to lay off and then meanwhile they've been busting places left and right.

2:01:43 You really think that... They don't go after individuals in California, they go after the middlemen, the distributors. Right. And the growers. Right. Hey, but you know, so here's another thing. Can't you just grow it yourself? Do we really need to have all industry? Can't you just like throw some seeds into the ground and everyone just grow their own stuff? I mean, is that also illegal? You can't grow it yourself? People do that in California. Right. But is that still illegal? Yeah. But it's not illegal in California. I think if you have a prescription for marijuana in California, which I think anyone can get if they wanted one, which may not be a bad, I'm almost recommending people do that because that way if some idiot's in your car and he's carrying around a bag of marijuana for some stupid reason and you get busted, they won't, you know, you got the prescription on you. Right. So it doesn't hurt to have one. And I think those people are allowed by law to grow it if they want, I think.

2:02:43 okay meanwhile this is this is coming to a head this is a good it's going to be very interesting because this is as you pointed out on uh... on the last show this is really about states rights and the way i understand the constitution is only things that are expressly laid out by the constitution is what the federal government can be in charge of everything else is the states so which you want to have uh... gay marriage or people want to marry horses if you want to smoke dope, I mean that's all the states get to determine that, correct? That's the theory, yeah, that's why the 10th Amendment in particular, it actually says that in the Constitution, but a couple of paranoid

2:03:26 founding fathers just pushed the 10th Amendment to emphasize, to re-emphasize states' rights. And so they put this amendment which essentially in the Bill of Rights, which essentially reiterates what's already in the Constitution, which just essentially limits the federal government to the specific things that are listed. Yet still, There's this thinking that now if the government, you know, you get it all the time, federal Trump state and that's bogus. I mean, it's been going that way and so everyone just kind of accepts it, but it's nonsense and somebody's got to put a stop to it because it's ruining the country. We don't have a national government. You know, why don't we just have a national government with the national police?

2:04:13 Which is kind of the FBI. Well the funny thing here is that in Europe they're all talking about how there seems to be such an obvious push to turn Europe into a federal system like America. And I'm like, no, because the states in America actually have rights and they trump the federal government. But the belief here is, which it's kind of almost a self-fulfilling prophecy, is that the way that Europe should be is just like America where the federal government is in charge of everything. But it's like, that's not the way it's supposed to work. Although it seems like that is the way it's working more and more.

2:04:54 Well, that is the, you know, internationalists are people who want to create one world government. They have to push in this direction because if you really have it set up the way the Constitution worked and with the 10th Amendment and all, There's no way, in fact this kind of works by the way, Switzerland is the perfect model for this because in Switzerland a lot of stuff never happens because all those little provinces, these little like state-like entities throughout Switzerland essentially have veto power over the federal government. And so a lot of stuff never gets done in Switzerland because it just

2:05:30 I would, one little county, one little group of people says no. But that's kind of the way it's supposed to work here. And when you have that sort of a setup, it's impossible to join a one world government. You know, the UN is, you really shouldn't be signing some of these treaties because some state may disagree. Say the state of Washington has a marijuana legal marijuana law and they just want to keep it that way. And the UN takes over the world and they say no more drugs anywhere. This doesn't fit into the way our system is structured. You can't do that. We can't have this sort of thing and that's

2:06:10 So the push for the people who are internationalists and who just think it'd be great to have one world government, they have their personal reasons, which I accept. It's rational. It's mostly so rich people never lose their stuff again in a war. They promote this federal government as the king of everybody idea and they stay with it. And you know that if you're going to go that way, yeah, then it's very easy to turn over sovereignty without anyone complaining. So that new world order thing, there's something to it after all. What? So that new world order thing, there's something to it after all. Right? Yeah, there is. I was reading the, you know, we have the WCIT taking place right now, the World Conference on International Telecommunications. This is the ITU, the International Telecommunications Union who, you know, they keep changing their name. Yeah.

2:07:10 It is the ITU, but it's the WCIT number 12 that is taking place right now in Dubai up until the end of this week. And so they have this big meeting and they're kind of leaking documents or documents are being leaked or being You know, kind of wiki leaked, if you will. And so here's one of the latest documents, the proposal for the work of the conference. This is from Russia. The United Arab Emirates, China, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Sudan and Egypt. And it's kind of just a couple of things are interesting so it is indeed true what they're trying to do and I don't think it's going to happen at all. In fact I think it's a red herring. I think this is just meant to distract us but

2:08:03 They are trying to, they're literally trying to turn the internet into the way that the telcos work. Where, well I have a couple of highlights here, hold on a second. Where is it? Where, okay. Operating agencies shall determine by mutual agreement which international routes are to be used. Member states shall have sovereign right to establish and implement public policy. These are all very typical telecommunications rules and regulations. But they want member states to ensure that operating agencies inform every roaming user

2:08:50 an internet roaming user promptly and free of charge of the number to be used for calls to the emergency services. You understand how ridiculous this sounds? They literally, they're so dumb or it's just you know it's just a copy-paste of some other document that they're saying that if you are in another country and you're using the internet you will be a roaming user And you will be informed of what number to use to call for emergency services on the internet. This is literally in their document for the internet. Yeah, I know I don't know what that even means. Well, it means that they don't know what they're talking about. They don't actually know how it works.

2:09:40 they're talking about... Oh yeah, it's possible, that's exactly what it means. No, no, this is so obvious to me that these people had no idea how the internet works. They're just sitting there going like, okay, this is running over telco lines, so we might as well just, you know, just do everything the way we've been doing telco for years and years, not understanding at all how peering arrangements work and transit, how it's purchased or how border gateway protocol balancing is, they don't understand any of this. And even worse, they've defined what spam is. This is great. So, because of course they've heard that spam is a problem, so they're like, okay, we're going to eradicate spam and we're going to do that through legislation and here's how we're going to do it. First, we're going to identify what it is. Listen very closely. They're going to tell us what is spam and what isn't spam.

2:10:30 spam, colon, information transmitted in bulk over telecommunication networks as text, sound, image, tangible data used in a man-machine interface bearing indiscriminate advertising nature or having no meaningful message simultaneously or during a short period of time to a large number of particular addressees without prior consent of the addressee as in a recipient to receive this information or information of this nature. That is spam. Note, here it comes, spam should be distinguished from information of any type, advertisements inclusive, transmitted over broadcasting networks. So what they're saying is when they determine it's spam, it's spam, but when it's advertising, it's not spam. Well, they see it does more.

2:11:27 No, I don't think that's what that said. I think it is. Spam should be distinguished from information of any type such as advertising transmitted over networks. What they're saying is that spam is not advertising. You said advertising transmitted over broadcast networks. Let me read it again. No, of any type, advertisements inclusive transmitted over broadcast networks. I think they mean the same type of networks. No, no, they mean television. Hmm, okay, I could be wrong then. Well, I don't think you're completely wrong though. No, I still, what I think they're saying is if it's advertising it can't be spam, but if it's spam it can never be advertising. No, no, I don't hear that at all. Okay, what do you hear?

2:12:21 I hear that they are trying to distinguish their crappy definition of spam with broadcasting advertising where you turn on the television and you don't want to see this thing, this ad for tree manure or whatever. uh... and how's that different that's the question that's a philosophical question that i turn on the television is that's been a lot of advertising exactly as that's banners advertising i'd believe it to be spent if one spam the other should be yeah you know that's kind of a point i'm making that's going to have a lot that's not the point you're making but it did now it is and i think it's a good point

2:13:07 It's not a good thing. I mean, maybe we should, you know, maybe advertisers just go by the wayside and people should either support something or not support it with their own, you know, because advertising is designed to get your money. I'm not anti-advertising. I think there's value to advertising. I mean, we wouldn't, we wouldn't, no, there is. We wouldn't know about certain products and services if there wasn't advertising. But, okay, you know, so I'm not against it. I just don't see how it's valuable for the programming that it fouls up. I have advertising channels. I still think that would work by the way. Yeah. Advertising channels? Very good idea. It's a station of nothing but ads. Yeah. It's called AGB. Are you bored? Turn on K-Ad. KAD. You won't be bored for long. It just plays nothing but ads. Just all the good ads from everyone. Some of them gratis.

2:14:09 So, yeah. Oh man, this... I'm just gonna reconnect for a second. I don't know if it's me or you. Who knows? Oops, oops. I'm just... oops. I'm just wondering... hello? Yeah, what? Yeah, it's funny because when I reconnect then the echo goes away. So, sorry. I'll just do it from time to time. Not a big deal. Okay, here's so there was another reason for the for the right-wing guys to Led by Rick Santorum, by the way that that you and Disability thing. Oh the you mean the the ratification of the treaty that that didn't happen Yeah, right Rick Santorum has a disabled child and and

2:14:59 There's no reason for him not to want this unless he found something in there. So what they decided, so Chris Matthews and his douchebag buddies brings in a guy, asks him a couple questions about why you would vote against this. The guy has a reasonable answer and then Chris Matthews changes the subject with an idiotic example and then the guy tries to explain more and the other douchebag says hey you're changing the subject and he never changed the subject. Chris Matthews did. I can't watch this guy anymore. Look the more control we give- This douchebag's won. In the UN it's control we're taking or we're losing US sovereignty. Well how does that work? Explain how that works. No, explain in this case how that works. Let me give you how in this case. Okay as you said before in the US we have made great progress

2:15:47 with people with disabilities. Rick Santorum has a child who is a special need child with a disability so he took a hard look at this legislation and the problem is this isn't as Bob said Bob was doing pretty good till this point but he's wrong on this this isn't where they're gonna take US standards and then apply it worldwide this is saying that we're gonna put the UN in control. Many countries in a terrible human... Name how? Name how? Stop using generalizations. First of all, well let me give you one. Name what's going to happen. The UN would get to, under this treaty, decide what is considered a person with a disability. Not the US, the UN would do that. So a lot of families with people with

2:16:26 disabilities and family members with disability were very nervous that what this ultimately was going to do was let the UN and countries with terrible human rights record decide who is disabled and how that's going to affect them. Let me answer the question. What would they do? Would they go into the homes in Pennsylvania or Virginia, Rick Santorum's house, go into where he teaches his kids? These are helicopters from somewhere out of the country coming in. How would they You know, I think we have to have a new rule. I think the new rule is no more Chris Matthews clips. This guy makes me so angry.

2:17:23 It's really annoying. He brings somebody on to explain their position, steps all over them, talks on top of them. It's unbelievable. Yeah, but all I'm seeing is just... It's MSNBC, right? MSNBC, there's no reason for its existence anymore. There's never been a reason for its existence. Well, yeah, there was. It was to get Obama elected. And to incite racism. And to incite all kinds of hatred. And to polarize the entire country. Yeah, I think that's the job. I think it's gonna be taken over by current TV. Yes, we need more Chunk. More Chunk. Meanwhile, I mean, Chunk is over there and so is Granholm and so is some other... Joy Behar now, she's over there. How does she get a show there? I don't know how she gets a show anywhere.

2:18:24 So she's over there, they're all over there, they're all moving to Current, and it's the same crap. And the guys in MSNBC are blowing it. Well, by the way, Touré has his own show. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And this guy, he's horrible by the way. I had a clip from him that I didn't want to put on because again it was him inciting racial hatred. It's just, that's all I hear from these people. So Fox, I think are rejiggering their entire, uh, the babe, babe-orama completely. They're bringing in brunettes. Good ones, good looking ones. Oh, okay. All right. They're, they're moving a bunch of the blondes out. They've gotten rid of a couple of their pundits are going to, they're not using them. In fact, it's apparently Karl Rove and Dick Morris have been put on the blacklist. Oh, that's just,

2:19:15 No, it's because the Democrats are restructuring the whole operation. You watch. More democratic nature. Exactly. Just more of it. Well, in that regard, I'm really glad I'm gone for a little while. My goodness, I don't miss any of that. Here's a perfect example. of some douchebaggery at work and how funny it is and how people don't even realize how sick the whole system is when it comes to who's going to be ambassador. The President could appoint Vogue's famed editor-in-chief Anna Wintour to be his next ambassador to England or France. More on what could be a very fashionable decision to date. This is not unusual. Savannah, you cover Washington. You know that this is part of the job. I think something like 30% of

2:20:03 appointees to ambassadorships are political it's a reward for people who raise a lot of money. Yes and this I mean either France or the UK would be considered the plumbiest of plum assignments. Yes that's the one to have. She raised more than $500,000 for his campaign so we need to get on the ball. and that rather than what the hell i like it on the bombers i think they should make an a wind to our ambassador to libya and put her in bangadze uh... or or nairobi uh... kenya is it really is unbelievable how did it does actually happen i mean you you become an ambassador after you raise a lot of money and she and uh... what's her name uh... older

2:20:51 Tickle toes there sarah jessica parker a lot of money and do you think she'll actually become the ambassador to the to the uk. Could be. It wouldn't surprise me. Wow. He doesn't like working, you know, the Vanity Fair and the whole publishing company that owned them. Well she's vogue. She's not Vanity Fair, she's vogue. She's still a big shot but the budget, it's not like it used to be. In the olden days before advanced publishing took over all these operations, they used to be just a limitless expense account. It's like old-fashioned publishing used to be in the 30s. You know, they wouldn't give you all the money you needed to make a splash Now there's a penny pinching and she's just she can go get back to her unlimited budget by becoming the ambassador to England Seriously, she just likes that. She's a party girl. Yeah ever smiles if she's you know, she's like I think she's she looks pretty young but I believe if I'm not mistaken, she's 83

2:21:47 Hey, by the way, I want to mention before we wrap as we started to do I do have an end of show clip that I want to explain. I have Carl Levin, that same thing where he goes and he says, I'd like to amend the bill and blah blah blah, you know this boring thing that we played last show, a couple shows ago? Carl Levin is at the end, he said Senate, doing the end of Senate business. They're passing legislation. Oh, right, right, yeah, where they do a million different things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Nurses, home, week, all this bullshit. I've decided to sweeten it.

2:22:24 Now, because I think they could actually make it interesting if they would practice what I did. And that is literally just adding a few bells and whistles, not gunshots necessarily, there is one in there, but bells and whistles and a music soundtrack. And I want to credit the Bohunks who are a Holland band that have pretty much everything from this famous symphony composer Ferd Grofey, I think is how you pronounce his name, who did, if you've ever been to Disneyland in Anaheim, they have that

2:23:02 Grand Canyon Suite plays on the train ride, he wrote that. But the guy also wrote all the little jingles and ditties for Laurel and Hardy and our gang and those kinds of things which the Bohunks have found the scores of and they've actually made all these. They've made a bunch of clips that you can use. And I just want to think people should go get Bohunk's albums. But this is to me is the would improve C-Span. lot Well, I think in general that we should We should consider Sweetening all of this kind of stuff. Yeah, just to make it more entertaining. Yeah, it doesn't hurt. They they try to do that on CNN Yeah, all right everybody

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2:24:45 that the globachar amendment which is at the desk be agreed to the bill as amended be read a third time and passed the motions to reconsider be considered made and laid upon the table with no intervening action or debate that any statements relating to the measure be printed at the appropriate place in the record as it read. Without objection. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the HELP Committee be discharged from further consideration of S. Res. 600 and the Senate proceed to its immediate consideration. I am for it. Senator Resolution 600, supporting the goals and ideals of American Diabetes Month. Without objection, the committee is discharged and the Senate will proceed to the measure.

2:25:26 I further ask Mr. President that the resolution be agreed to, the amendment to the preamble which is at the desk be agreed to, the preamble as amended be agreed to, the motions to be considered be considered, made and laid on the table with no intervening action or debate and that any amendments related to the measure be printed at the appropriate place in the record as if read. Without objection. I now ask unanimous consent, Mr. President, that the Senate proceed to consideration of S.R.S. 603 which was submitted earlier today. Clerk will report. Senate Resolution 603 designating the week of November 26th through November 30th, 2012 as National Nurse Managed Health Clinic Week. Without objection, Mayor.

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