Episode 422 · Sunday, 1 July 2012

Chaff Hat

Economic turmoil in the Eurozone meets the rise of autonomous drone warfare as global powers jockey for control over natural gas pipelines and digital speech.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 422

About this episode

The Euro 2012 final between Spain and Italy serves as a backdrop for allegations of rigged professional sports designed to pacify nations facing economic collapse. As the European Stability Mechanism moves to recapitalize Spanish banks, German taxpayers are expressing outrage over a summit statement that protects private bondholders at the expense of public funds. Meanwhile, the bankruptcy of Stockton, California, signals a potential wave of municipal defaults across the United States as cities struggle to reorganize debt under Chapter 9 protection.

In Washington, the Supreme Court's Affordable Care Act ruling triggered a media firestorm after CNN and Fox News incorrectly reported that the individual mandate had been struck down. Nancy Pelosi later claimed the late Senator Ted Kennedy influenced the decision from heaven, while families face insurance premiums exceeding $1,000 per month. Internationally, Hillary Clinton and Kofi Annan met in Geneva to discuss the Syrian transition, where Russia successfully blocked language demanding the removal of Bashar al-Assad. This geopolitical maneuvering is increasingly tied to energy interests, including the $7 billion Trans-Anatolian Natural Gas Pipeline and Israeli offshore gas reserves.

Technological warfare reaches a new frontier as researchers at UT Austin demonstrate GPS spoofing for the Department of Homeland Security, paving the way for autonomous drones capable of making independent kill decisions. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak examine the rebranding of these machines as Guardian Angels while noting the official shutdown of France's Minitel service. The show wraps with a look at U.S. troops patrolling Afghan poppy fields and a listener's suggestion for a tinfoil chaff hat to deflect incoming drone missiles.


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CHAPTER 01 / 39 Discussion

Canada 145th Birthday, Cutting Room Floor Etymology

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the show by wishing Canada a happy 145th birthday. They discuss the decline of traditional film industry phrases like "the cutting room floor," noting that millennial editors working in nonlinear digital environments are unfamiliar with the physical origins of the term.

canada· austin· silicon valley· millennials· nonlinear editing· phrases

00:00 On the grounds that they'd actually made contact with the remains of an ancient shipwreck while on the lunar surface. tracking the Stargates here at Camp MoFo in the capital of the drone star state. Austin Tejas, In The Morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where we're sending a happy 145th birthday out to Canada. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot & Buzzkill...In The Mornin'!

00:40 Yeah, I mean that could have gone in the birthday segment. We didn't have to do it at the top of the show. I mean that's a little over-the-top. Hey Canada is our second biggest contributor to this show! Really? I thought it was Australia Oh, you're right. Canada's way down there for it. Exactly! If those Canadians will rack it up a little bit then I'm okay with this but this is like a... Well, if they can't take you back do you want to start the show over? We could cut them out. They're on the cutting room floor, I tell ya. Damn Canadians So I was at the MeVio offices about a week ago and we were talking about shooting this Bravo show. And I said, you know what? The way you guys are going is that your gonna end up on the cutting room floor! Yeah... Well- And nobody knew what that meant! You're kidding me

01:29 No, this is one of those many little phrases that the millennials don't know. Right because it doesn't exist anymore. Yes I can feel you sound like a broken record. What? You mean like my DMV records? They're not...you can't break them! Well if you're gonna really get into stuff like that look at iconography Does anyone still really understand the association between pasting and a clipboard A little picture of a clipboard Probably not. No, exactly So I do explain what the cutting room floor was because and these were all the editors I was talking to the ones that are editing videos Oh really? That's hilarious And they have no idea what a cutting room floors because they're nonlinear editors It's just kind of fascinating you'll write it really interesting All these old phrases are dying out if we don't keep using them Well there is a thing called what is it oh yeah progress John ever hear of it know okay

CHAPTER 02 / 39 Discussion

Tom Cruise Divorce, Scientology Numerology, 33 Code

The hosts address a flood of listener emails regarding the number 33 in relation to the Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes divorce. While some suggest the number is a Scientology code or a reference to Anonymous documents, the discussion dismisses the specific numerological significance in this case while acknowledging 33 as a recurring code in military-industrial circles.

tom cruise· katie holmes· scientology· anonymous· numerology· 33

02:27 Hey, um... Let's just kick it off because we got a new jingle. So we like kicking off the show with our favorite segment here let me just hit it. We suck! Is that booing at the end? I think so That Sir Jeff Smith He you know he's come back into our lives and uh... It's about time And even though we don't really suck I have to say I felt like we sucked How long have we been doing this show five years plus right I don't know. No, we're coming up on our fifth anniversary in October Oh that'll be our fifth or it will be our sixth okay So we're coming up with the 5th anniversary Which is a big one and we gotta start rounding up some Yeah five dollar donations yeah Um...I was very disappointed In the amount of tweets emails posting to the Noah Jimen News Network I know exactly where you are going You go ahead say it 33 Ugh The Tom Cruise thing with 30

03:34 Yeah, 33 is a very important number. But did you have to spam me with that? I mean it was... You got spammed! I got spammed and that's a big deal It's like oh it's a big discovery First of all Katie Holmes is divorcing him so he didn't pick the 33 out of the blue Now somebody did send me something this morning showing that 33 is a reference to some deep one of those crazy Scientology documents has been uncovered by Anonymous You know, the people have to understand there's a difference between random number theory which is things that will happen again and again and any sort of meaningful numerological situation or something like this 33 thing. I keep sending notes back

04:23 What's the what tell me what this is yeah? You know if you're so convinced I mean 33 is a code that we believe as a code being used in political and military industrial complex circles But this is not code. This is just you know Tom Cruise is gay, that's That's your code Yeah really come on It's been so what I got so what is real news give me a break. Yeah, I'm a fan of Tom Cruise I'd like his stuff. I've always liked Tom cruise as an actor yeah, and I think he has a person He's kind of weirdo, but I don't know that he jumps up and down on couches oh, I mean Have a drink well, that's just because you've never been in love That's the only reason why you don't do that dad would you like to go have a drink with this guy? Yes Of course I would

05:18 Well then again only because you think you could do a deal. Oh, duh Hey Tom I got a script about SS just the buddy having to drink I Got it. You know try no money. I think he would be fun to have a drink with I think would be a little weird You know because yeah, I think it's a height complex that might be a problem I think that I think he does have a problem with that seriously like a real guy Yeah He's only five foot two now Yeah, that would be a problem. Although we don't know for sure because they don't put these things in the Wikipedia. I know bastards! Bastards! In the morning to you John C. Dvorak. In the morning to you Adam Curry and in the morning to all ships at sea boots on the ground subs in the water and feet washing ashore on the west coast And in the morning to all of our human resources in our chat room noagendastream.com NoAgendaChat.net It's always fun when there are 30 seconds behind

CHAPTER 03 / 39 Discussion

Euro 2012 Final, Spain vs Italy, Rigged Sports

As Spain and Italy prepare for the Euro 2012 final, the hosts reiterate their theory that professional sports are rigged to favor nations facing economic crises. They transition into the Eurozone debt crisis, examining how the European Stability Mechanism (ESM) is being structured to recapitalize banks directly.

euro 2012· spain· italy· sports rigging· esm· banking crisis

06:12 They're still telling me I should slip Tom Cruise or Rufy when I go drinking with him. Okay, good to see everybody all charged up and ready to go exactly the way your government loves you we have a lot of things to discuss today. I've been doing my government legislation analysis for you there is good stuff and maybe we should just start it off and say that we've done it yet again was it four five weeks ago? We started off our conversation, and this always harkens back to our conviction that all professional sports are rigged. Now we may have picked two sides of the same coin. John was convinced that Spain would be winning the Euro 2012 foosball competition and I said Italy well the show wins regardless John today the big final Spain versus Italy

07:10 I think we're brilliant. The final decision may not have even been made yet No, no they don't start the game until... Oh you mean? That's what i'm saying right now they could be discussing it Exactly! Exactly because there is so much shit and we had this happen Over the past few days where all of a sudden you know, everyone's going crazy It seems like we have a deal and this is fantastic The euro is were saved and markets are skyrocketing euro was up based upon two pages of bullcrap as far as I can tell here's how you have it. I have a clip sure

07:49 Which is the one, I don't have my clip list in front of me. Let me get it. I can probably guess what it is... Missiles In London? No WTF Banks and The Eurozone Scam. Yeah okay here's the clip now this is a I'm telling you I have listened to this as I forgot this may either be from Euronews or Russia Today I'm not sure where this one came from but I listened to this and then listen to, and well i've got the clip of at least a piece of what's his name Haiku talking. Yeah? I don't know what they're talking about! Hmm...I do actually. Well play the clip and let me get confused and then you straighten out. More flexible approach to tackling its crippling debt crisis The blocks future permanent bailout fund the ESM for instance will be able to inject aid directly into banks from next year

08:40 without increasing a country's budget deficit. Last night we agreed that under certain circumstances and under certain conditions the ESM could recapitalize banks directly The biggest and most important condition is setting up single supervisory mechanism for bank and Eurozone leaders have asked the council to work in a very speedy way so that we can have results by the end of the year is a major breakthrough, I said it this night. It is the first step also to break the vicious circle between banks and sovereigns. Leaders also agreed to bend the rules, to bring down borrowing costs for troubled member states The deals widely seen as a victory for embattled Italy and Spain over Germany's Angela Merkel Alright so I basically had a similar clip except i just had these 37 seconds of Haiku Herman talking there So let me explain why markets went crazy

CHAPTER 04 / 39 Discussion

Eurozone Bailout Statement, German Taxpayer Backlash, Cyprus Presidency

Analysis of the two-page Euro area summit statement reveals that the EFSF and ESM funds will provide financial assistance to Spanish banks without gaining seniority status. This move protects private bondholders while placing the burden on European taxpayers, leading to significant anger in German media outlets like Die Welt.

efsf· esm· germany· greece· cyprus· bondholders

09:42 I've been so and by the way this is a once again proof that we never talk about anything but US news okay. I just want to say to everyone on the LinkedIn group blow me, we do all kinds of stuff crazy most I think most of this stuff like my clips today I don't think there's one US news item and then i got 14 clips. Oh no, I got one! One lone clip about foie gras in California Okay so here is what's going on and why the markets went crazy about this And then I'll tell you what the Germans think because that's kind of funny looking at all the German newspapers this morning So this is a two-page document the euro area summit statement and what everyone is talking about Is that the EFSF which will be replaced by the ESM? Which has not been ratified, and we know that Finland is saying yeah right show me some collateral That this fund which is basically taxpayer money from every single slave in the United States of Europe

10:42 will go directly into the banks. I mean, this is a genius move! Like... Here's a commercial bank They suck Give me your money slaves and i'll give it to them Okay So the banks of course love that but most importantly This is the clause And its two pages four points We urge the rapid conclusion of the Memorandum of Understanding attached to financial support for Spain's recapitalization of its banking sector. We reaffirm that financial assistance will be provided by EFSF until ESM becomes available, and here it comes, that is will be transferred to ESM without gaining seniority status."

11:23 This was the big deal because the EFSF has bondholders and they were afraid they were going to be subordinated. This is the word you've got to look for, so they thought that their bonds are going to be subordinated to the ESM which means shut up slaves who bought the bonds on that bailout this one gets paid back first So it's not subordinated and that's why all the bonds... The whole bond market is like yeah! We're not getting screwed. Only the slaves get screwed! So, when the slave money goes into the banks you are still below the bondholders That's what this is about Does that make sense to ya?

12:03 Yeah, and it would make that would boost things too because these as you say this is tax money And that's just taken from the slaves of the year of the eurozone or the I guess a European Union and since they Since this essentially stolen money so it doesn't ever have to get paid back And that's why, guess what Haiku Hurn or these guys were talking about saying. Exactly! It wasn't so Spain would get money into their banks without going further into debt so they didn't owe anything So this is basically free money Free money! It's a giant tax But here are all the papers front page of Die Welt in Germany I'm translating it, its not hard to understand Europe is coming for our money

12:54 The Germans are furious about this because they know now and immediately Greece is saying, hey can we have some of that free money? So the new government is applying. It says hey we should have this for Greece as well and Cyprus by the way congratulations Cyprus the next broke continent It's not important when it comes to population, but of course Cyprus is in the catbird seat of the Leviathan oil fields. They take over the presidency of the EU as of today for the next six months so that's going to be interesting what they'll they'll be pushing stuff for their own agenda but it seems like I think we've bought at least well

13:41 7, 8 days until the next bull crap crisis? The kind of a theme when I do this show with Horowitz is that these guys, this whole organized crime syndicate called the EU It just manages to put off paying and catching up to what they really owe. Now they're just gouging their own people, and I guess Germany is going to get gouged the worst. But the German people are PO'd. They're not having it. Yeah but they're the only ones who know what's going on it seems. So here's like four ways this can go...

CHAPTER 05 / 39 Discussion

Stockton Bankruptcy, Chapter 9 Reorganization, California Debt

Stockton, California, has filed for Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection after failed negotiations with creditors. The move is described as a "shot across the bow" for banks, as the city seeks to reorganize its debts rather than succumb to high interest payments, potentially setting a precedent for other struggling California municipalities.

stockton· california· chapter 9· bankruptcy· creditors· municipal debt

14:21 But really, I think the only solution to all of this John and you're much more versed in this because you know if you do a podcast about it she makes an expert. They have to... That's how you become an expert! You do a podcast. They have to devalue the euro they've got to bring it down to parity one-to-one with the dollar that's the only way. You get a little bit inflation its cheaper to pay back all these loans don't you think thats the only solution? Well, I think it is definitely a solution. I think going EU bankrupt country by country one after another like dominoes is another solution but they're not gonna do that too much pride involved but we're starting to see some of our people thinking in those terms Stockton for example just went...

15:11 9 is different from, I didn't look it up but Stockton California which is a big city right? That's not substantial. I think at one point... 4 million. Oh I think its bigger than that! Well let's consult the book of knowledge. So I type in the words into Google. Stockton Cal population. And I hit the button. Oh, it's only got 291 thousand. No! Yeah

15:48 Oh yeah, to San Joaquin Valley Forest largest city in the Central Valley. Who gives a crap then? Yeah it's small. Well anyway so they're bankrupt but what is the difference between... I know chapter 11 means you can come out... Chapter 9 bankruptcy. Why don't you know these things?! I used to know this by the way. I knew 7,9 and 11 Seven is like kaput. Eleven is you get a chance to come back and nine somewhere in the middle I guess then? I think nine as you get, you get to re- You get to Recap, you have to reorg and you don't have to pay back all the money or something like that All I know is this stems it must be something like that because this stems from The creditors apparently playing hardball Well sure And Stockton saying

16:39 Well, we can't afford this. We're gonna go broke! We're gonna have to declare bankruptcy So no you better pay this much or else it's okay screw ya and they filed bankruptcy and screwed all the creditors right which by the way is a shot across the bow for all of California's all these banks that think that are gonna pull this crap in and gouge the cities under these circumstances when they're sitting pretty with all this free money They got from the Fed That's not that's not gonna cut it and this this may be if one more City does this pulls this the everyone is gonna. Be panicked, and it's gonna be no no no No, we would just take a little stretch out to payments. No problem by the way I just got a link from one of our Spanish producers Let me just take a look here at this is a Spain

CHAPTER 06 / 39 Discussion

Spanish Protests, Mining Riots, East Coast Power Outages

Video footage from Spain shows citizens using homemade launchers and firecrackers in violent protests, which the hosts jokingly link to the soccer finals. Meanwhile, over two million people on the U.S. East Coast, particularly in Virginia, remain without power following severe summer storms.

spain· protests· virginia· power outage· storms· civil unrest

17:27 Today. Okay, here it is. Let me go you're doing that chapter 7s liquidation That means you're done chapter 9 is reorganization for municipalities specifically available to 11 12 and 13 are reorg's okay alright this is Where is this Wow? This is Spain Shot this is on the highway The cops are shooting there's cars burning What? Yeah. Is this coming through now? Yeah, this is from... yeah Oh they're trying to make sure the decision goes their way for the soccer game They clearly need to win Euro 2012 It's only got 908... oh dude! This is cool The guy has a homemade bazooka with like rocket... what is he shooting?! He's shooting like

18:22 This is crazy. What are you watching? I'm watching a YouTube video of Spanish citizens with like PVC tubes shooting firecrackers Home homemade jack stuff It's like a revolution! Here, listen to this here one of his firecrackers here it goes He's got up tube. He's shooting firecrackers from a shoulder mounted tube Think-I think they're gonna win I think that this is clear. This is very clear they're going to Italy doesn't know it yet. It'll Italy hasn't gotten that far down yet, you know maybe I'll maybe have to switch my vote here and go for it doesn't matter we win no matter what we were right

19:06 I said, we do this every time there's a big international thing event like this. We always call it. Yeah, we've not missed. I don't think so well this time you know we were evaluating all the way along but pretty much i think i said Italy from the get-go and you said Spain from the get go that was it right No, you mentioned Greece. Oh I did have Greece in there as a possibility but Spain was my number one pick. Yeah. You talked me out of Greece and you had good rationale for it. Now the semi-finals I had picked Germany over Italy but earlier in the show this is the last show

19:47 I had said that I agreed with you about Merkel not wanting to go to... Yeah, right. That's right when she couldn't go through the Ukraine So I was remiss when I called Germany. You did? No, no, you were right. Oh they can't win now because Merkel can't go to the finals because it is in the wrong spot Right and so I'm in on both these calls Hey look we're not betting on it okay We are not on ESPN but I think we are better than ESPN thats for sure The No Agenda Show, better than ESPN. Something like that. Or sports... But corrupt sports!

20:24 for corrupt sports. You know, every time somebody I run into somebody and they say oh yeah you're following the European soccer tournament? And i said ah... I said soccer's rigged! They always give me a funny look. Well it's not.. So we had the washing uh right after the Thursday show The Washing Machine Repair guys had showed up and I had to you know We'd always have little chat after the show and I said I gotta go because the guys are coming and hung up in the guy's cave and there was um one black guy and one I think he was He might have been Mexican, I don't know. It could've been Italian for all I know but I had the game on and he's like looking at it and I'm like hey go do your work! And he says who is winning? I said Italy. Oh yeah they're going to win the whole thing because you know they need it most because their in the most economic problems and he was like yeah absolutely this guy was right on board with me wow

21:20 Real fan. Yeah, exactly and it was to zero before they left crazy absolutely crazy in the morning to all of our East Coast particularly all of our human resources there in Virginia Who listened to the program religiously and always sending us cool information about their jobs? we have a number of producers without power since Friday and Which is disturbing since they also have pretty warm out there right now. What happened? Yeah, being facetious with me? No I don't know! Well there's like 2 million people without power since Friday

CHAPTER 07 / 39 Discussion

Supreme Court Healthcare Ruling, CNN Reporting Error

The hosts critique the media's botched coverage of the Supreme Court's Affordable Care Act ruling. CNN and Fox News initially reported that the individual mandate was struck down, leading to a chaotic "post-mortem" on the quality of modern news production and the complexity of the 190-page judicial document.

supreme court· obamacare· cnn· fox news· individual mandate· megyn kelly

22:04 From what? From the storms. Oh, the storms yeah, the storms I knew that and you know I think Instagram and all For some reason this storm are so... You know we're out here in California where it's just the same weather We've always had this like fogging up just in time for the July 4th holiday So you can't see the fireworks Yeah classic It's like uh.. There is some reason we have paid zero very little attention to that miserable storms they've had back there Well I don't see how you can miss it. I mean, well of course we luckily we watch different programming but this is all that CNN is doing and they keep running... Yeah I don't even rarely check in with CNN anymore. Well I have to because especially since the Supreme Court decision

22:52 CNN is just fascinating to me because you know, yeah it is. Because first of all no one watches so you know that the people that are watching are only elites who think it's still important because they get lots of airtime and they keep hiring like really high-end personnel I mean yeah no they got the chops don't have to have the wherewithal and I think it has to do something with them with the which is the attitude of the editors they editors there are just not that good apparently I mean or they are their major liberals I know what I think that they're completely compromised and the more i think about it the more I look at this Supreme Court ruling and of course

23:32 I looked at the document, it's like 190 pages and I went through it all. And um...I really don't understand how you any news organization could get this wrong because its so incredibly clear It's like one sentence explains exactly the decision what was made and I believe this to be not only a genius political move ever That I've ever seen but, i think cnn was probably complicit in the deal and maybe this this cock up they made Wasn't all that accidental. I have a clip of the of them fouling up along with interspersed with fox fowling up which is The interesting irony mm-hmm and then it's worth listening to i mean it's just a couple days too old but if you listen To it you'll hear megan Fox Megan Kelly

24:29 Yeah, pretty blonde who obviously got the right word and she's panicked trying to get it turned around Including telling him to fix the lower third and she's clearly annoyed at Fox's screw-up But this is you can kind of hear this. The individual mandate has been ruled unconstitutional justices have just gutted the centerpiece provision of the obama health care law. In fact that's the final word on the individual mandate it could be a little bit more complicated we're getting conflicting information as they say there is some confusion out there, conflicting reports coming in from inside the supreme court so let's hold off

25:11 I'm drawing any final conclusions. We're still trying to figure this out, be cautious with us we were trying to do the best we can right now as we sort through it and we need a lower third which may not be correct right now It may take several minutes As we are reading through this again So really the post-mortem on this This whole thing is your news is not news. It's terrible news are Jabroni's Doing people are just boneheads oh You know this was just interesting because it contrast nicely with this bullcrap a new Aaron Sorkin show Yeah, of course newsroom of course I've seen yeah news which is I

CHAPTER 08 / 39 Discussion

The Newsroom HBO Series, Aaron Sorkin, History Revisionism

A critique of the HBO series "The Newsroom" suggests the show serves as a vehicle for Aaron Sorkin to rewrite recent history, such as the BP oil spill, to favor a liberal perspective. The hosts argue the show portrays news producers in an unrealistic, idealized light that does not reflect the industry's actual ratings-driven nature.

hbo· the newsroom· aaron sorkin· rush limbaugh· bp oil spill

25:54 Actually, Newsroom is interesting because I heard of Rush Limbaugh deconstruction and he's actually pretty good at spotting some of these things that are kind of sneaky. Especially with guys like Sorkin who are knee-jerk liberals He says that the idea behind this show is to rewrite history. Oh, I totally agree particularly when it comes to what was the storyline they had? The BP disaster. Yeah, the oil rig. We had more information than then than the news networks had they were horrible and you're right rewriting history how it really came down oh the whole thing I totally agree with that

26:32 Yeah, they're trying to make themselves look good in hindsight and this is supposed to be CNN. But you know it's like... Okay, I found it's a very tedious show that i will not watch. Oh no! I will watch it because there is no other... Because you know im waiting for smash to come back on This the only show we DVR Cause you know girls is now done and veep is done Hey i gotta have some schlock to watch To offset c-span thankyouverymuch But the thing that bothers me is you never hear anyone say the ratings are up or down. You never hear anyone say, the advertisers are pissed off. You don't hear any of that and by the way if news producers were that cute I'd still be working in television!

CHAPTER 09 / 39 Discussion

Affordable Care Act, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy Heaven Claim

Nancy Pelosi is heard in a C-SPAN clip claiming that the late Senator Ted Kennedy helped pass the healthcare bill from heaven. The discussion also touches on the rising costs of health insurance premiums for families, which often exceed $1,000 per month despite the "affordable" branding of the legislation.

nancy pelosi· ted kennedy· affordable care act· c-span· health insurance

27:23 You know what I'm saying? I don't have to tell you. Anyway, so I can tell you how all of this happened because we have only one person to thank for the judgment, ruling and passing the, uh, certification of the American affordable healthcare act. Which is what I love that name has nothing to do with health care and then they do it in healthcare. It's all about insurance companies. Yeah. It's insurance company. And by the way, what is this $700 number? I keep reading everyone saying, yeah, it's like your insurance for a family of four will be $700. I'm like, yeah, what a month

28:04 I mean is this a year? Yeah but then they don't say that, just $700. But is that in a month?! It has to be because most people I know that are paying for their own insurance are paying at least 1,000 a month! I think I'm paying 7-800 now... yeah a month and I got three people yeah a month I've got myself Miss Mickey and Christina. Yeah it's about right. Anyway Horowitz mentioned on the show that he's paying 1100 a month well of course he's kranken kopf so He has a pre-condition. Nice try! So Nancy Pelosi explained exactly who we have to thank for this, can you think? Well Obama! Nooo! Wrong wrong wrong I want to say word about Senator Kennedy I spoke to Vicki Kennedy this morning Listen listen listen And to Patrick Kennedy before coming here thanking them for the important role that he played A lifetime of commitment

29:00 to making health care a right not a privilege in our country. He called it the great unfinished business of our country, of our society. Hold on! Hold on! Hold on! You're stepping on the best parts! Shut up slave! I knew that when he left us he would go to heaven and help pass the bill And now I knew he was busily at work until this decision came down. He was working the whole time! Clip of the day! Oh, I wasn't ready for it... Yes... This is why you gotta watch C-SPAN

29:55 You don't get this stuff on the news I Heard that unlike you've got to be kidding me. That's what you did Ted Kennedy went to heaven and worked a whole time gold Kennedy with David and then passed the health care bill Listen to that again, it's really it's the whole thing is 15 seconds go to heaven and help pass the bill And now I knew he was busily at work until this decision came down, inspiring one way or another. And now he can rest in peace." Oh my God! This woman is unbelievable. The Democrat Party should be ashamed of themselves for keeping her around. Ah, still get jollies... How awesome is that? Yeah it's pretty awesome

CHAPTER 10 / 39 Discussion

Austin Meetup, Google Drones URL, Hot Pockets Tour

Adam Curry recounts a meetup at an Austin farmer's market where he met a UT astronomy student. The hosts also acknowledge a listener who purchased the "googledrones.com" URL for the show and discuss upcoming "Hot Pockets 2009" tour t-shirts for Montana.

austin· ut austin· google drones· hot pockets· montana· imdb

34:32 I was at the market in Austin yesterday and actually it's kind of cool. You're following up on the Oryx, I hope? Yeah we're all good to go when we come back from our wedding trip. And so there was one guy Tim producer Tim he goes to school UT studying astronomy And he came up and said hi. And I was like standing at the farmer Chris's egg stand, and I hear behind me no agenda with Adam Curry in Webster Griffith Tarpley. I'm like you've got to be kidding me now that it won't work. It won't work. See? Doesn't even sound right

35:18 Really, it does sound funny. Yeah. Webster Tarpley No you gotta say Webster Griffin That is indeed his real name. Yeah, Webster Griffin Tarpley You got to say. Yeah, Webster Griffin Tarpley Anyway Well guys thank you so much and I say guys because it's all guys as far as we know yeah I want to make sure that people know to go to noagendashow.com noagenadnation.com dvorak.org slash na and channeldvorak.com slash na Keep us on the air and thank you to Martin JJ for the artwork on episode 3 4 2 1 Beautiful, of course. You can always see all of these submissions at no agenda art generator dot info You can find all over calm I think that I'm sorry right dot-com which is better Anyway, no agenda art generator comm which is a mouthful but once you've typed it in a few times don't worry Firefox will remember

36:12 And also want to thank, this is interesting. Although we don't really need them anymore Robert Halsey he says I know this initiative is over but I did a drunk URL purchase and got you googledrones.com which is now forwarding to the show. I have to say that's worth mentioning googledrones.com think that's good You know they'll have them so yeah, and I have some their own army of drones Some drone stuff to discuss later on also a Joe Esposito. Oh, I think is Joe the dish slave am I correct said Joe Esposito It sounds familiar Yeah, he's got to put a link in here under the PR He's uh he's very excited about our Hot Pockets 2009 tour Although we still need a We still need a trailer and there will be a no agenda producer update after this program today miss Mickey will be

37:02 Uh, we'll be on the show giving an update about our upcoming trip and he's so excited about Montana. He has made no agenda hot pockets, Montana t-shirts which will become instant collectors items I'm sure it's kind of cool. Yeah that's good So that is it. Thank you all so much, thanks to our executive producers and associate executive producers these are actual credits You can put them on your IMDB on your curriculum your resume and unlike the phonies in Hollywood we will actually vouch for you if someone brings into question the validity of these as actual media credits because they are Devorak dot org slash N A's And of course if you're too poor just go out help us by propagating the formula Our formula is this

37:48 We go out, we hit people in the mouth. I'm all that. Come on little kid! Yell it now! SHUT UP! You know, has their contingent of slaves. Oh yeah! No I get emails from time to time... Rome! The days of Roam are back. I get emails from producers who say hey I got my kid to say in the morning and i said yeah it's cute but shut up slave is better and they're like well yeah I'm kind of afraid to do that because you know the kids gonna say this to his mom one of these days like probably right so we had

CHAPTER 11 / 39 Discussion

Geneva Syria Meeting, Kofi Annan, Hillary Clinton Reaction

International powers met in Geneva to discuss a political transition in Syria. While Russia successfully blocked language demanding Bashar al-Assad step down, Hillary Clinton expressed visible frustration, insisting that Assad has no place in a future unity government due to the ongoing bloodshed.

syria· geneva· kofi annan· hillary clinton· russia· bashar al-assad

38:51 So much going on we had the big the big Geneva meetup Lucifer Kofi all those dudes And I have a clip of that that might be good again. Go ahead because my clips are better so go ahead You might be, because you may have more Hillary. I only have a little bit of Hillary No no! I have zero Hillary so if you have some Clippity-Clop Oh I got some Hillary in mine Yeah give me some Hillary man This is Syria Redux with the Hillary stinger Okay hold on a second first we gotta do uh... It's Clippity-Clop The message is clear Just Clippity-Clop

39:29 I'm gonna put that at the end since she's very deep into the clip. Okay, well but she's coming right? This is a heads-up It's so that you know everyone knows it's coming. Is a somber judge it will judge us all harshly Kofi Annan warned ministers gathered in Geneva time was running out to stop the bloodshed in Syria and stop this crisis from spilling over. Stop the clip right there Wait, how does Kofi Annan even stay into the game? Well he's corrupt. I mean we know that the oil for food program his son is corrupt you know the whole Kofi Annan dynasty there's one big corruption so it's just like it's like you go to central casting then we need some guy who has like some UN kind of credibility who talks kinda funny Who ya got? Who ya got? We've got Kofi Annan He works cheap Is he SAG?

40:21 No, yeah, is he sag eligible? Screen extras guild screen extras. Is he sag eligible That's how they choose these douches. It's obvious you go ahead and Google Kofi Annan oil for food program Big crook under this pressure the conference ended with an agreement So the powers present said Syria needed a political transition led by a unity government But it came with one key caveat the final deal says that governments could include members of the current regime A consensus, but with concessions. While international powers agreed on a political transition for Syria there was one key bone of contention The transitional governing body could include members of the present government and the opposition and other groups should be formed on the basis of mutual consent

41:19 A victory for Russian diplomacy. The long-time Syrian ally had refused to back a provision that would call for Syrian President Bashar al Assad to step aside. We consider it of key importance that there is no attempt in the document to impose any kind of transitional process upon the Syrian side. So so whether talking to show this Russian guy yakking away about whatever Hillary is livid and she looked harsh. She was pissed Pissed off about this yeah, because they have their scheme And then when she comes on in a couple of seconds you'll hear you know this do she kind of downplays the whole thing But she was just steam was coming out of her ears when there's Russian guys You know gets gets the credit for fixing the problem. You sure it wasn't cuz her hair looked like crap cuz I think that Her hair didn't look good, but it was I've seen her hair worse. I'm not did you see your face? She got big

42:17 But while the US agreed to the plan, it remained clear on one central point. Assad will still have to go. He will never pass the mutual consent test... Do not pass, go! Do not collect $200! ...given the blood on his hands I do not believe that anyone in the Assad regime ever thought we could come out with a unified statement today expressing not only their concerns but a path forward that would include Russia and China

CHAPTER 12 / 39 Discussion

Responsibility to Protect, R2P Doctrine, UN Intervention

The "Responsibility to Protect" (R2P) doctrine is identified as the legal framework the UN and U.S. intend to use for intervention in Syria. The hosts question the selective application of this principle, noting its absence during past atrocities like the Rwandan genocide.

r2p· united nations· syria· rwanda· international law· intervention

43:04 And he needs to hear loudly and clearly that his days are numbered. The message is clear. Okay, so let me give you some analysis on this because I've done some So first of all this really this whole thing the Wesley Clark, the Wesley Clark Five You know, all the seven I should say. All the countries were going to invade this goes back to a strategy known as The Redirection and this was of course a Bush strategy and the whole idea is To make a lot of noise there and essentially help our buddies out the Saudi Arabians which i'm gonna get to in a second

43:49 They're doing this, so you know we have all the I mean actually i have uh... I had a little Kofi clip which is very short respond just play it because he has twenty seven seconds the guy saying nothing. We are determined to work together urgently and intensively to bring about an end to the violence in human rights abuses and the launch of a Syrian-led political process leading to a transition that meets the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people, and enables them independently and democratically to determine their own future. So who gives a crap Kofi you just wasted 27 seconds in my life? You said nothing but I figured out what they're doing here The way to get around

44:40 United Nations Security Council is something known as R2P. Have you heard of R2P? No, I had to pee the other day but... Right! R2P is a United Nation's and we've all signed on to it rule of law and stands for Responsibility To Protect. This responsibility-to-protect principle often referred to as R2P and the prevention of atrocities And this is a so this is the legal form that they're going to use and you will see this one when we do exactly what John McCain is about to tell us. We're gonna do so R2P represents an important commitment by the international community to protect populations from egregious crimes This is the senior lawyer. How long has R2P been in play?

45:35 It's not last week, it's been years right? Yeah this is just something that has been on the books. Well how come they didn't do crap about 2 million killed in Rwanda Because it's United Nations dude! I don't give a... Duh There's a reason for this and if you want to know what's really going on then who do you have to listen to John McCain the biggest shill in the universe. Because this guy, and now Warren Bork... I don't even know if he's a war hero anymore! This guy is such an A-hole He works for the military industrial complex And you know we joke about how lucky we didn't get him as president We would have been to the finish line much quicker because he reveals his plans just so easily Like yo! This is what it's about here's what were gonna do

CHAPTER 13 / 39 Discussion

John McCain, Turkey Strategic Interests, Natural Gas Pipelines

Senator John McCain's advocacy for intervention in Syria is framed as a move to protect Turkish interests and secure energy corridors. The discussion highlights the $7 billion Trans-Anatolian Natural Gas Pipeline (TANAP) project, which aims to transport Azeri gas to Europe, directly competing with Russia's Gazprom.

john mccain· turkey· azerbaijan· gazprom· natural gas· tanap

46:24 He's speaking, so he is on the circuit. He has to go out all the think tanks and get everybody lined up and this a-hole literally tells us what the strategy is and why. And I'm happy for it of course but its brazen Here's his speech this week at Middle Eastern Institute The true mission The reason why Syria must go. An army defector, and I left a little extra in because he's so sincere, told us that killing and rape and torture is what they were instructed to do. Go rape these slaves! Go rape them! As a tool of terror and rape and torture and intimidation

47:08 So if I get a little emotional when i talk about Syria, that's why. Because of the rape? The situation in Syria cries out for US leadership not just to save Syrian lives, but to support our ally Turkey when they need our support the most. Oh! This is new information it's not just a safe Syrian lives No its to support our ally turkey when they need our support the most do tell me more John McCain The conflict in Syria is becoming a strategic threat to Turkey

47:47 The country is already facing massive flows of refugees and it is welcoming them by the thousands. Turkish pilots are now shot down over international waters, according to Turkish leaders and the longer this conflict grinds on the worse it gets. The more sectarian divisions hardened, the more Al-Qaeda Gains influence more the Syrian state disintegrates and the more Turkey is faced with violent chaos on its border now So there's a little more to go here, but I want you understand what he's saying. He's saying this isn't about Syrian people getting killed This is about turkey poor turkey And they're great and they're our buddies and wonder why I have to look into this and

48:33 The United States needs to devote a fuller measure of its power to help end the conflict in Syria as soon as possible. Not just because it's the right thing to do... Not because it is the right thing to do, you silly slaves! Is that what you think this is about? And not just because it will be a strategic defeat for Iran but because it can help consolidate a new kind of relationship with Turkey It can show the Turkish people and government that America is willing to take risks for the sake of their security and invest in their success. And that we are not an unreliable partner or a declining power as some in Turkey allege.

49:34 BOKU International Oil, Gas and Pipeline Conference that Hilary Lucifer Clippityclop attended. They signed an intergovernmental agreement a $7 billion Trans-Anatolian Natural Gas Pipeline TNAP designed to carry Azeri natural gas across Turkey to Europe. Who does that screw? The Russians! In fact Gazprom sent a warning... ...to Turkey saying, hey you better not do that because you are going back our South Stream You guys are Indian givers This is not okay So the whole thing Lucifer in Boku

CHAPTER 14 / 39 Discussion

Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi Interests, Israeli Gas Reserves

The Syrian opposition is described as being heavily influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafists, with financial backing from Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Meanwhile, Russia is strengthening ties with Israel to help develop offshore gas reserves, complicating the regional energy chessboard.

muslim brotherhood· saudi arabia· israel· gazprom· salafists· qatar

50:17 John McCain saying we're your business buddies is all about their relationship with the energy companies. The whole Syria is just bull crap And this is getting interesting let me of course you know that it's and it is such bullcrap because the Turks have gone Islamist mm-hmm they've set up a new way by the way I think the model that we're seeing the script for Egypt Is similar to what? We saw in Turkey where he prefers that before you guys know that Islamists gets in let me give you one more data point okay, one more data point there was a Q&A and

50:58 I think there's an Egyptian guy who stands up and, uh...I'll ask the question. I'l reiterate his question because it is a little hard to hear but listen to what he says. Do you know that the opposition forces in Syria are Muslim Bazaarhood? And they have very good relation with Turkish or Saudi who support Salafists in Syria So this guy says that the opposition is Muslim Brotherhood and it's all basically sponsored by the Saudis. And then he says, what is American interest? What is the American interest in this? You know I mean we could listen to John McCain stutter and stammer for 57 seconds but he doesn't answer the question and he's like play it! Thank you

51:51 If I understand the question... You understood the question, A-hole. Correctly. He should have said that's a great question! The Saudis are very concerned about events in Syria obviously as is Qatar and UAE even Libya is about events and unfairness of the conflict and the longer this drags out obviously the more likely or possibility that it could become a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. And not to mention, the longer it drags out the more likely foreign fighters come in and there's greater influence of Al Qaeda um...and other extremist organizations. All I can say is that

52:47 The Syrian resistance needs help so before you jump in Saudi Arabia signed a memorandum of understanding with the state oil company of Azerbaijan Socar this happened two weeks ago, so the Saudis Azerbaijan Turkey all working together makes total sense on the other hand We have Gazprom, you know we had What's-His-Face from Russia was visiting Israel. And they're going to launch an Israeli subsidiary that will help develop Israel's offshore gas reserves All future international tenders issued by Israel in the gas sector would be open to Gazprom and other Russian companies So there are all your pieces on the chessboard

CHAPTER 15 / 39 Discussion

Turkey Islamist Model, Egypt Transition, Huma Abedin

The hosts compare the political transition in Egypt to the Turkish model, where Islamist leaders gradually marginalized the secular military. They also touch on the controversy surrounding Huma Abedin and her alleged ties to the Muslim Brotherhood through family members.

turkey· egypt· ataturk· sharia law· huma abedin· muslim brotherhood

53:41 Well, this brings to mind a couple of things. First of all let's take a look at Turkey which was taken over by the fair election by an Islamist who was the first one that got anywhere close to that office president of Turkey Without being ousted by the military which is very similar to this situation as it was in Egypt where the military actually holds so much power that if you were a via violating and in the In the case of Turkey, the edict that you cannot be An islamist and be in a even discuss it in public without getting arrested in the EU I had for Turkey to stop doing this because there was a human rights violation But when added Turk first created modern turkey He knew that this was the only way to keep these Muslim nutcases. The worst-case scenario guys, the Salafists

54:35 who was specifically mentioned by that guy asking the question I might add. Yes. The Salafists from taking over because once they take over, they put in a Sharia law and they throw out the democratic institutions and they just run things by a bunch of essentially preachers And they stoned by curious people like me They would definitely you'd be stoned for sure yeah in more ways than one so anyway So the model is you get in and then you slowly? You eat, then they arrested a bunch of the generals who were plotting against the president It was a very slow process to take over and but they haven't completely implemented everything yet. This day same exact

55:12 Excuse me the same exact script is going to be implemented in Egypt which also has a strong military that is actually trained by us Yeah, now now did call back to what you said about Hillary maybe being in bed with the Muslim extremists literally with whom I abidin with Uma or whatever her name is. Kuma Abedin, yes. This looks to me as though we have jumped in bed with the worst people in the world at least from our own perspective because they've never liked us and they never will under any circumstance that were the great Satan

55:50 is crazy and the Russians must be beside themselves watching this go on because none of these people will turn on us in a minute. Now that said, it's possible that we would love to just screw things up in certain areas cause that's one of the things we do and when these people are over analyzing what were up too sometimes miss what were really up to which may be to create situation, especially in Europe. It just essentially breaks their back by creating some sort of friction between these two gas and oil companies I don't know...I can't say for sure but this is not a good thing. It's fascinating to me! And it's bullcrap everything McCain says is bull crap the guy is a liar yeah I love this Megyn Kelly Fox report you know of course now we have Mercy

CHAPTER 16 / 39 Discussion

Mohamed Morsi, Blind Sheikh, 9/11 Truther Claims

Newly elected Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi has called for the release of the "Blind Sheikh" Omar Abdel-Rahman from U.S. prison. Additionally, reports surface that Morsi has expressed interest in a scientific conference to investigate the "real" culprits of the 9/11 attacks, signaling a shift in Egypt's relationship with the West.

mohamed morsi· egypt· blind sheikh· 9/11· tahrir square· israel

56:45 Who is now the first democratically elected president of Egypt and we tell you I think they were doing fine? We gotta find the pictures on the front page everybody out there should find the front page at The New York Times Saturday where there's a picture this guy showing that he has no protection And he surrounded by a bunch of goons with sunglasses on that. It's just the funniest photo I have seen for years Here's a little sound bite from Fox that someone sent me that I thought was just hilarious because, you know... I have no words for it, here we go. This guy Morsi you know he went he was educated here in the West in the United States and yet when you look at sort of his list of highlights uh...the one that jumps out to me is He wants the United States to hold a scientific conference so we can determine The real culprits behind the 9-11 attacks because he doesn't believe it was Al Qaeda That doesn't sound good! That doesn't sound good does it?

57:50 It doesn't sound... She nailed that. Yeah, he also wants the first thing he demanded I think was to get that Sheikh The blind yes the blind sheik is right He wants to get him released because you know he's unfairly imprisoned I have a clip an image from Egypt today and words that have ignited anger back here at home Mohammed Morsi took the oath of office as Egypt's first freely elected president but remarks he made in the last 24 hours causing alarm here in the US. Morsi pledged to work for the release of a blind sheik who is serving a life sentence in the U S for plotting their first attack on the World Trade Center." Oh yeah, this is gonna be very interesting he's already playing tit-for-tat you give me this I give you that

58:32 Hey, how about my three billion dollars? Okay. Then maybe I'll throw the sheet under the bus and wait until he turns his sights on Israel because once they completely take over Egypt which will be soon...I mean they took over that Tahrir Square thing was wild Mean it was all salafists, and they're all wearing their hoods in there. You know crazy Outfits and screaming What do you mean by crazy outfits John what are you talking about the burkas? You know that women are all covered up already sexy man I love that the

59:20 you know, to be messed with and used as a pawn. It's used as a pawn for the Iranian missile or bomb they're not really building and it's going to be used as a pawn with Egypt I mean there is just essentially a ball being kicked around this is amazing that all of the American... The Jewish contingent is so democratic But we have the Russians now with the Israelis And they, of course are going to go right. They're going to go straight up through Cyprus into Greece. Gazprom is going own all that all the Greek assets and they're gonna shoot it all up from the south while Turkey is still gonna build this thing from Azerbaijan and so I think these Israelis in and the Russians there like having you know? I think both of them are in cahoots and we're still wish we've been doing since the 70's who were still dicking around with

CHAPTER 17 / 39 Discussion

Drone Psyop, GPS Spoofing, UT Austin Demonstration

The Department of Homeland Security recently invited researchers from the University of Texas at Austin to demonstrate GPS spoofing on a drone. The hosts argue this public demonstration is part of a psychological operation to justify the development of unhijackable, autonomous drones.

drones· psyop· gps spoofing· ut austin· todd humphreys· homeland security

1:00:17 You know, I think when these pipelines go in and they're shooting in every which way we're gonna get a lot of stories and we'll be discussing it on this show. These things being bombed left and right. Blown up absolutely! Oh yeah We are going to have drone strikes here Lots of drones Yeah lots of drones Maybe I should get into my drone story here This is a good transition For I think John C. Dvorak we have been submitted To a very effective PSYOP We have been psy-opt for years. You and I as well! If it's any good, it has to do work. Yes, in fact that should probably... WE SUCK WAPOOO

1:01:01 I will point out before Wired and Danger Room, and everybody else we were talking about drones. We've been talking about drones for years! We've been predicting drones over US skies... And it happened kind of so forcefully and so massively that we didn't even really have a chance to say yeah we kinda told you that was gonna happen right? It just it was amazing Now let me lay down a couple of, this latest news story which came out of Texas we talked about on Thursday. This was bothering me it was really bothering me and I figured out what's going on It is big psychological warfare and we can get out the red book because were gonna put this one down And we need to keep our eye on this so first of all

1:01:49 We had the drones, we had the stories of tired overworked personnel. They have you know stress 12 hours it's so weird. We had the unencrypted data links right? It was oh my you know like people can see the video maybe someone could hijack the drone remember all those stories then we actually had a drone hijacked Iran I got one of our drones. Of course, we have continuous stories about signature strikes this is all code signature strikes but yeah we laugh like if you're doing a jumping jack then you have the signature but of course even Facebook has facial recognition Google has facial recognition for their new tablet i mean this is all

1:02:32 And we have the Gorgon Stair and the Argus IR. These are all things that have been in the show notes before where we have real high resolution, real time data over six, 700 kilometers. I mean this is really, really, really highly visible stuff then and I was just talking about this actually with the I won't say who but one of the people who was at the at The meetup because of course you got to protect some what these guys are doing or have done The biggest problem and there's lots of new stories about this is we're running out of satellite bandwidth for both for the Video feeds which can be 20 gigabits a second, but also for controlling the drones You know we just knew they can't fly all the drones simultaneously because they don't have the satellite link so we can't get satellites up fast enough and then We have the big story Which is the GPS hijack? And what bothered me about this is that The Department of Homeland Security invited

1:03:35 Todd E Humphreys, he is the scholar at University of Texas invited them to demonstrate if they were capable of successfully spoofing the GPS system to take over the drone. Now if you invite someone from the University of Texas to come and do that and they're successful Do you send out press releases? You know, do you have all this big hoopla or whoa it's completely viral. Next to the Tom Cruise 33 story I wonder if people listen to the show because it's not like we haven't talked about this they're sending me the story oh the spoofing drones which of course we also said would happen so I'm like this is PR and I tried to figure out what it was and

CHAPTER 18 / 39 Discussion

Todd Humphreys, Cornell Research, Autonomous Kill Decisions

Researcher Todd Humphreys is linked to Cornell University's unmanned systems programs, which are sponsored by major defense contractors like Lockheed Martin. The goal of this research is to create autonomous aircraft capable of making their own "kill decisions" using advanced vision-based navigation and facial recognition.

todd humphreys· cornell· lockheed martin· autonomous drones· algorithms· mormonism

1:04:25 You know, having a new secure GPS non-spoofable GPS system is too simple an answer. And here's why I look into this Todd Humphreys guy now he currently works at University of Texas previously he worked he was at Cornell PhD in aerospace and And Cornell University is very specific. And by the way, these are not just courses that they have at the university. These are commercial entities. They have high-tech incubators. You know these universities where technology is made and then sold to defense related companies. They have something called CU Air, QAIR, C U AIR which is Cornell University Unmanned Air Systems

1:05:20 Before I tell you exactly what their focus is, let me give you the list of their sponsors. You can find it at qairr.engineering.cornell.edu So these are the platinum sponsors who sponsor this research at Cornell University where this Todd E Humphreys came from we have electronic warfare associates Lockheed Martin Intel Space Systems Laurel we have what is it, CloudCap technology. These are big especially Lockheed and Loral these are big defense contractors so they're sponsoring all this so-called research and what do they specialize in? They specialize actually our goal I'm quoting from the website is to design build and test an unmanned autonomous aircraft aha

1:06:15 Autonomous drones. That's where this is headed, John and Google is complicit in this by making us all feel so incredibly great about the autonomous car it can drive itself It doesn't need any help The IEEE another organization that Todd E Humphreys is a member of they have their plans 2012 conference And let me give you one of their fine little topics. Vision-integrated navigation for vehicular and robotic applications, projects concepts systems advanced algorithms related to emerging vision based navigation applications in vehicular and robotic applications including autonomous air and ground vehicles this is about making the drones autonomous with their own kill decision their own idea of how this signature fits and it's they're unhijackable

1:07:11 Toddy Humphreys, just to make it crazier is a Mormon. He's really big in the Mormon community What do the Mormons have John? They've got the biggest freaking database of every human being in the world and you can probably think they're gonna have pictures associated with that So this Toddy Humphreys...Toddy Humphreys This is a bad guy I'll give you why this is so important In warfare The first war machine we really had let's put it in the Middle Ages, were knights. You could you could put a knight in some armor give him a sword to put them on the horse and he was indestructible! He would chop heads off of peasants, he would kill people left and right...you couldn't you could throw chuck a spear at him some rocks or throw fire It wasn't gonna stop the knight then we had gunpowder

CHAPTER 19 / 39 Discussion

Removal of Human Element, Swarm Warfare, Kill TV

The evolution of warfare is moving toward removing the human element entirely through autonomous drone swarms. This shift allows those with sufficient capital to wage war without a large standing army, utilizing "Kill TV" feeds to monitor automated strikes from afar.

drone swarms· kill tv· warfare· military industrial complex· automation

1:08:04 Gunpowder was great because you didn't need to train some dude to ride a horse with metal on. You just give this stick to these idiots and say point in that direction, pull the trigger boom! But of course in order to win wars and be powerful you had to have a lot of human resources carrying these guns And this is obviously, the government is most afraid here in the United States of the civilian population because I don't care what kind of weaponry you're coming with when the entire population is armed or has access to guns. You generally know that odds are stacked against you So what is the ultimate, is to remove the human element from warfare and just program these drones. They can fly in swarms we've seen the videos have been so propagandized and made so used to it that I guarantee you were going to see huge money will have bills in Congress will have defense guys saying we need this really important for autonomous drones and that

1:09:07 That will be the destruction of the world because you don't all you need is money And when you have money, you can build a drone. You can build it in China and you can build you could copy them You can do whatever you want and every freaking country in the world is gonna have him and when they're autonomous Get in the basement Well, that's a pretty picture By the way, added to the kill list today. Killlist.curry.com Eight more suspected militants in Pakistan killed by a drone You can keep track of it Of course this happens every week after the Tuesday kill list meeting where they look at the baseball cards and power points and the president says yeah that guy But pretty soon no meetings The President can just sit in his office and watch the video which is known as KILL TV by the way by the drone people And just watch the video

1:10:01 And the drones will do all the business in itself. And this all came together to me, John people have been trying to tell me this and I didn't quite understand it but we have people who are in this business listening to our show. Yeah, we do! They've been trying to tell me in not so subtle ways and all of a sudden just it all clicked for me when I saw this UT thing We are being set up and made ready to accept the idea of autonomous drones Flying around making decisions based upon rules and killing us. Yeah, well there you have it Welcome to the 21st century That's an enlightening there we go donations down through I'm taking should be buying guns yeah It's not gonna do much good yet to shoot at these things as they should come by Probably those guys with those tubes in Spain will have a better shot Well

CHAPTER 20 / 39 Discussion

Denmark Drones, Google Self-Driving Cars, NSA Projects

Denmark's Defense Minister has expressed interest in replacing F-16 tasks with drones for Arctic surveillance. The hosts argue that Google's self-driving car project is a front for NSA-funded autonomous technology research, preparing the public to accept robotic policing and surveillance.

denmark· google· self-driving cars· nsa· robocop· skynet

1:11:02 I still believe the populations have a voice and we can at least try and say no, we don't think that's a good idea. Yeah, that's going to work Denmark is even getting drones! Denmark defense minister Nick Hukkerup wants Denmark to follow other countries have its own drones to take over some of the monitoring and battle tasks currently handled by the country's F-16s I can see a list of tasks that would be obvious to let drones carry out instead of fighter aircraft," Hooker-Roop tells information sources, adding that surveillance of Arctic regions would be one area. Sure! That's where all the oil is. Drones are relevant alternative particularly in times of austerity when they can supplement aircraft but they can also see benefit of using them as weaponry Yeah exactly So that's it?

1:11:58 And how good is all that? It frightens me that the government thinks they can build some artificial intelligence probably based on their investment in Facebook. I mean this is essentially, not that we've sunk this low but this is essentially RoboCop 1, the movie! Yeah it's Skynet. Well no Skynet is Not from Robocop. What was SkyNet? That was from Terminator. Well, it's a combination kind of. It's a combination... well actually the RoboCop 1

1:12:35 where you had these autonomous machines that were going to police Detroit, is essentially this. And why would you not have... You come down to a lower level and have an autonomous police force using the Google technology floating around pulling you over giving your tickets or just taking your number and sending you the bill? That's all hard! The flying part is relatively easy You know, because getting these things up there and flying around is relatively easy. You don't have to deal with traffic or not a lot of traffic. Yeah no that's true but the driving driverless cars... But we've been duped into thinking this is great

1:13:15 Specifically. We never thought it was great! No, well no... Autonomy specifically by Google with their car they're a part of the setup this is the psychological warfare they're apart of it why else? Why does Google have to make a freaking self-driving car make search give me Gmail alright do your google plus what's with the car seriously what is the business reason for Google and the car Seriously, you can't answer it because the only reason is it's an NSA project. Well the cars coming of course of course we'll be and so are the drones Of course! But they're gonna be loaded cocked and pointed in your direction And when one goes off accidentally kills a bunch of people like that incident as you recall there where the Chinese embassy was blown to smithereens during the Clinton administration

CHAPTER 21 / 39 Discussion

Resisting Google, WC Fields Shins, Guardian Angel Rebranding

The hosts urge listeners to stop using Google services to resist the "destruction of the universe." They brainstorm more palatable names for autonomous drones, such as "Guardian Angels" or "Buddy in the Sky," to counter the negative connotations of the word "drone."

google· wc fields· guardian angel· rebranding· drones· psychological warfare

1:14:18 By accident? Mm-hmm. There we already are set up for the accidents I mean it's that nobody bitched about that so here's the only things we can do there's nothing we can yeah, they're resumed No, we're not doomed now. I have more hope than that and I can just see miss Mickey smiling She'd like yes Yes, I've programmed him very good hey Boris and Natasha stop using Google Just stop using Google. Stop using... Google and do what? Just, just pull on your Amstel vein but stop using Google! Just stop using Google if you're in the University of Texas drop out now just drop out Drop out You are supporting the destruction of the universe And uh what else can we do Oh if you see this Toddy Humphreys stomp on his feet Don't kick him in the shins That's my mom used to say I'll kick him in the shins

1:15:19 Why is that? Where did that come from? It came from movies. If you remember those old WC Fields movies, there would be some like WC Fields or somebody walking up the street just by themselves and a little kid running out of the yard and kick him in the shins and run off for no reason! I remember my mom used to say Kick him in the shins like what how does that even you know? What is that what does that even mean anymore look at that routinely It's an equalizer. Yeah, it hurts to get your shins. No it sucks for sure anyway so that was my big revelation and Let's all be on the lookout for more from more of this propaganda And at least alert ourselves about it That's about the best we can do

1:16:10 and combat it that way. Because you just have to be aware that there is psychological warfare being practiced on you right now, and the amount of virality of this drone hijacking is a big part of it so please put that in the book. Mark O'Donnell's July 1st 2012 This thing, I mean the next big session we have the next conversation about defense budgets or whatever is going to be about autonomous drones. Now the only thing is they've gotta have a different name for it and I haven't quite figured out what because you know autonomous that's too complicated for The Slays We gotta have a cool name so I think part of the self-driving drone... Indy Drone

1:17:00 The autonomous car is helping because people get that. They don't call it that, its called self-driving. So self flying? No But its all going to be like this is safe we don't want Iran hijacking another one of our drones You know, it has to have its own but you won't hear a lot about the go-go drones. That's a good one I'm like that robo drone now that's too scary as to this too scary Go-Go drones is my chat room is happy little drones. Yeah, that's nice They need to be and also by the way, uh, and the current word drone has to go. Yes. The Curry Dvorak consulting group is available to the ministry, the department of defense if you need some help. Um, I think these things need a paint job. I mean you definitely need to paint smiley faces on them and they should be painted blue or pretty blue sky blue. Yeah exactly. That'd be a gorgeous thing to see it nice baby blue devices that this ugly gray looking monstrosity.

1:18:00 Yeah, the gray is not helping your cause here. People do you really want to do it right? Guardian angels who I like that one. Oh that is good guardian angels and finally something from the chat room this. Buddy in the sky buddy in this guy buddy in the sky with diamonds. Friends Buddy in this- I think Guardian Angel. That's a great project name, Guardian Angel Yeah well anyway

CHAPTER 22 / 39 Discussion

California Foie Gras Ban, PETA, Restaurant Fines

California has officially implemented a ban on the sale of foie gras, with restaurants facing fines starting at $250 and escalating to $1,000. The ban, heavily lobbied for by PETA, has led to "goodbye foie gras" events and sold-out inventories at high-end eateries.

california· foie gras· ban· peta· bernardus lodge· animal rights

1:18:40 Okay, well we got big news here in California. Oh this must be the foie gras Yeah it's over today is the day he congratulates Canada's birthday on Canada's birthday We've banned foie gras because it's so important that we ban it Gree protesting in San Francisco outside a goodbye foie gras event Executive chef at Bernardus Lodge, Cal Staminoff has been part of efforts for the last two years to keep foie gras on the table. We use it for a lot of our background like for some of our soups and and it's good instead of using butter we use duck fat but anyone

1:19:19 Anyone caught selling foie gras starting Sunday will face a thousand dollar fine. Until then, it's on the Bernardes menu. Other local restaurants have sold out. I think it is taking away our rights to be able to eat what we want. Staminoff says the delicacy is just one of the ingredients that make restaurants like his what they are There are quite a few upper end restaurants do need to supply some indulgent ingredients like caviar and foie gras and truffles. Now the first fines that restaurants could see if they disobey this new ban is actually $250, then it can grow from there but restaurants and chefs really aren't entirely sure how this new ban is going to be policed so that's something that they will watch going forward but of course they're going to try

1:20:15 that to start off with. All right Brittany, thank you some restaurants tell us they've already sold out of their foie gras supplies so if you are going out for that last foie gras meal make sure you call ahead. That's right! The Foie Gras Police. Yeah, this is all thanks to PETA. It's just the beginning of the end We you and I have consumed foie gras together yeah unfortunately You know the thing a lot of people don't realize duck foie gras The foie gras you get in the United States 90% of it is duck right? And they're really good stuff as goose But how come the ducks are

CHAPTER 23 / 39 Discussion

Japanese Rice Ducks, Pesticide Alternatives, Canada Geese

In Japan, rice farmers are using ducks as a systematic alternative to pesticides and manual labor. The ducks clear weeds, eat insects, and fertilize the soil with their waste before being harvested for meat at the end of the season.

japan· ducks· rice farming· pesticides· fertilizer· canada

1:20:58 Are you kidding? So is it just goose foie gras you can't have or you can no, you can't have any foie gras It was because of the duck foie gras that they banned it because they're force-feeding ducks and ducks are so cute and geese are mean Yeah, yeah. They hiss at you people got I mean talking about you know But there's some some thematic stuff going on here because there's duck news. Oh, oh, oh, hold on I'm sorry we don't have a jingle for it but we'll hit it This farmer in the rice growing area near Tokyo once used lots of pesticides on his crops these days he uses ducks

1:21:37 Like an advancing battalion, the hungry ducks clear the field of weeds and plant-destroying insects one bite at a time. It would be much easier to use pesticides but we don't know their effect in the long run We could also use humans but that would be much more expensive so we prefer to use ducks who work in a very systematic manner On top of eradicating insects ducks will help till the soil with their webbed feet But there are other advantages Their waste is a good fertilizer, so we don't have to use much of it at home. Then we can eat the ducks when the season's over." You can eat the ducks when the season's over? So you've got the drone stories! You've got the analysis that's going to affect our day-to-day life but I've got the duck stories! You are an awesome man John C. Devorah. The web feet will help plow the field somehow

1:22:33 It's all, you know this whole it's all Canada's fault. Because where do geese come from? Hello! Thanks Canada. You gotta blame Canada right I don't know who to blame i'm just saying we can get foie gras anymore because they're telling us what to eat Heaven forbid we force feed a duck. Meanwhile the Japanese are gonna eat these ducks that have so, you know they've gone into their fields and eaten the insects and done what they had to do And then they get eaten I mean but i don't see the difference. I don't understand one thing You have this duck story you don't use your duck call This is it a faux pas on the foie gras okay? Okay We get it So there's um... I'm done with it. I'm down with ducks There's this great

CHAPTER 24 / 39 Discussion

The Gate Short Film, Big Pharma Propaganda, DNA Mutation

The hosts discuss a high-production-value short film titled "The Gate," which depicts people transforming into murderous creatures due to unregulated pharmaceutical products purchased online. They suggest the film is a subtle propaganda piece funded by the pharmaceutical industry to discourage the use of non-regulated medicines.

the gate· short film· big pharma· dna· unregulated medicine· sci-fi

1:23:33 Someone sent me this link to I guess there was a short see if we can find it real quick There was a like of a short movie competition and let me see what its called. Hold on second great short films Not quite sure who put this out the great short Yeah, great short films the winner when this came out about a month ago is

1:24:09 is a eight minute movie and it's linked in the show notes 422.nashownotes.com called The Gate, and it is I mean the production value on this It's of you know Terminator quality It's short but I mean You've got vertical takeoff landing aircraft You've got soldiers with you know hydraulic suits And just amazing beautifully shot so this is no small little Film and there's some real big money behind it although not mentioned in the credits and the premise of the movie is that people start transforming into these horrible ugly four-footed murderous creatures That also you know like they're kind of like they look a little bit like The Thing another thing What's the Sigourney Weaver? Alien alien right the head looks like alien, but it's people on their

1:25:12 It starts off with a biblical quote, which I think is interesting. So here is the setup in the movie... I've pulled two clips as to what's happening. Cytology research at Roslin identified part of the biological process that we now know to be responsible By this stage research efforts were focused on what role DNA might have during these episodes and quite quickly the Roslin team determined that certain long redundant gene sequences were becoming activated It's never been clear as to what their function or purpose may have been in the past, but one theory is that they once played an important role in the evolutionary process. So there's something happening with these people's DNA in this movie? Are you watching it while we're talking? Yeah! Oh you know what... You turned on your YouTubes and then got helium. Oh really?! Turn off the clip. Your bandwidth blows

1:26:08 So I'm like, wow there's so much money behind this thing. Who made it? That is all revealed around the 8 minute mark here is the relevant clip. At 5 4pm Mr Wiseman was found deceased in the fourth floor lobby area but most importantly physical evidence found in Mr Wisemans office was confirmation that he regularly purchased pharmaceutical products via an unregulated online retailer The discovery of similar products found in the possession of the other victims led to the conclusion that they too had made purchases from the very same website. Forensic analysis of this evidence revealed that it contained a highly unstable, synthesized property... ...that was chemically similar to hormone that is naturally found in the process of DNA construction and repair It is this similarity that had prevented earlier detection during the pathology examinations In short

1:26:59 The prolonged usage of this unstable chemical combined with an unusual blood group eventually culminated in activating the catastrophic biological process that caused their deaths. So here's the idea, if you use unregulated medicines that you purchase on the internet You will wind up a creature that eats people funded entirely by big pharma Unbelievable! That is how they get all the special effects You're still watching because you're totally no. No I turned it off. I think what's the trick is? I'm screwed I'm gonna sound like this for the rest of the show It would be okay if we didn't cut out from that time to time, okay Let's reconnect Okay, all right. Can you just do one thing for me John before you go what can you sing a lollipop land song? I don't know it just say or just go Go oompa-loompa go

CHAPTER 25 / 39 Discussion

Calgary Stampede, Tinfoil Chaff Hats, Reverend Manning

A listener from Calgary writes in about the upcoming Stampede and the idea of a "chaff hat" to deflect drone missiles. The hosts also perform a "whooping" karma request in the style of Reverend Manning.

calgary· tinfoil hat· chaff· rev manning· saskatoon· drones

1:33:08 Alberta comes Steven from Calgary actually with this stampede is coming up in like a week or so. The Calgary Stampede I'm writing this letter at 3am and extremely tired, I apologize ahead of time if this becomes just one giant rambling letter of incoherency been a no agenda listener for the past few months now and i felt that it's time to stop being a boner and become a donor to the best podcast in universe please dedouche me so I can get get the stank of being a boner off me. Bonerstank! I was introduced to Noah Jenner from listening to John on Twit. It still works! I was fascinated every time John was on twit as i kept grandpa's... Guys, who is the guy who goes on rants and simmers to Grandpa Simpson? After finding out that I could listen to John go on rants for two plus hours I was sold

1:34:00 And finding out John was working with Adam Curry the guy from Swamp Thing was such a bonus I'm now a huge fan and they can no longer listen to twit Whoa He's screaming at the sky at drones while wearing a hopefully fashionable tinfoil hat by the way when the autonomous drones come interestingly enough The fallacy, the funny thing is... The only way to actually protect yourself will be by wearing a tinfoil hat. It's possible! Uh-huh They all laughed And he says apparently he enjoys the uh We need a tinfoil hat that shoots chaff A chaff hat? A chaff hat! Yeah this hat on is made of tin foil and when it detects an incoming hellfire missile from the drone it shoots chaff

1:35:04 So anyway, he thinks that I specifically refer to Saskatoon as the Paris of Canada. Yeah it's where they got all the money right? Well Saskatoon doesn't have the monies in Edmonton and Calgary but Saskatoon has got the style, the class is like Paris in the 50s Anyway give him his karma He wants a whoopin' karma No I thought you said he wanted no conflict Well he says whoopin' later in the thing. For to get laid, Carm I'd like a no conflict Reverend Manning whooping Carm. Okay you got both? Okay well...I could do everything. It's a lot of work here for 60 years. There is no real conflict! Now get out there and whoop them ass behind! Whooping, whooping, whooping prostitution!

CHAPTER 26 / 39 Discussion

Maine Property Purchase, Sir DaGoJay, Smoking Hot MILF

Producers Brian and Susie share their success in closing on a 152-acre property in Maine. Other listeners request nighthoods and "de-douching," including a birthday shout-out for a child named Kai and a move to South Carolina.

maine· real estate· nighthood· dago j· milf· benicia

1:36:14 There's no real conflict! You've got karma. Could have covered us. From Perth, definitely not one of those Aussie ferret loving freaks. But he wants a quick douchebag call out for his brother Carl Drake. This will be the third time I've called him out! That's a charm. Give him a second one. Yeah for sure. There we go it's five now Second mile productions in Melbourne, Ohio. Oh Brian and Susie! Yeah we stayed near the hot pocket store. We asked for house hunting karma didn't work or did it? After we had to pass on the first house Adam told us to be patient and I'm glad we were this past week we signed the closing papers on our dream property 152 acres in Maine Wow thanks Karma but the weeks just got better

1:37:12 We had a successful garage sale with Adam and Mickey's shooting buddy Sean and his wife Missy. Yay! Cool As we talked to the lady at the garage sale she said she was looking for a house, And we scheduled a viewing for our current house on Monday so I need some house selling karma The donation amount is because our new house payment and downpayment both contain 666 Adam you and Mickey are welcome anytime in a new place in Maine. Oh, I seems like I could build a house there with 152 acres that is awesome well congratulations guys who couldn't be happier for you And thanks again for putting up with this last year Scott karma very happy for them Susie has just an awesome garden I can only imagine

1:37:54 She's gonna have like she could be her own farmers market with that kind of acreage good. Good Yeah, very good number going we'll visit for sure guys not not this summer But we'll visit for sure sir Joe the dish slave in Stockton comes it was 60 Tour is sixty bucks towards his wife's damehood appreciate a mention of his show site ozone nightmare calm and Some post-operation recovery karma from my wife's granddad absolutely you've got karma From Augusta, Georgia Jason Morella 5555 and he needs a fiber fiber fiber fiver from Adam. Fiber fiber fiber fiber! I'm now also a knight

1:38:36 So he's got his little, his accounting here. Yeah, you hit it! I am proud of the fact that I've achieved this honor mostly on monthly donations but as an added token to my appreciation for what you guys do, I'm donating another palindrome amount for this Sunday show. I would like to be dubbed Sir DaGoJay. Day Go Jay? Dago J. It is the email and form handle I've been using for over a decade Okay, sir dago j got it right Andrew Richter Andy Richter from Wayne Michigan 5510 had to donate his response to the guy complaining about the newsletter it looks great on the gmail app for Android don't change that thing

1:39:14 After three donations, I'm finally ready for a de-douching and I could use some karma refill. Thanks for continuing the best podcast in the universe Adam should take his wedding weekend off and we'll talk about that afterwards You've been dedouched you thought Benicia California Mark Pipkin birthday boy thanks for all the hard work you guys do so I don't have to here's a small value for value 5510 please apply it to my smoking hot milf the presumptive Dame Rico is dame hood could i please get a birthday shout out of her human resource Kai who turns 11 on Wednesday finally please send us some cross-country moving karma

CHAPTER 27 / 39 Discussion

Synthetic THC Psychosis, Grade 8 Graduation, Class Evil Genius

A donor shares medical journal findings regarding mental psychosis linked to synthetic THC like Marinol. Another story involves a Grade 8 graduate in Ontario who was labeled the "class evil genius" by his valedictorian but failed to pick up on the social signal.

synthetic thc· marinol· psychosis· graduation· kenosha· evil genius

1:39:56 Yes, we're going to join the hordes of California refugees this summer settling in parts of West Carolina. Yeah I'm looking...I don't think...Oh yeah, Kaia's on a list okay good yeah here's your movement Karma! You've got karma. It's nice in South Carolina We start to wrap up Danny with I think he could be at North Carolina both states are nice Danny Wong Livermore California home of the radiation field 510 also where were getting our beef I'm back again, the original stoner... Back... I'm back again? The original stoner donor. I meant to donate for the 420 show but forgot! I asked for karma and a de-douching on that last donation but Adam was laughing so hard at your stoner voice that he missed it

1:40:45 Additionally, I've heard you mention marinol and other forms of synthetic THC. My mother has been in the medical industry for many years! She's been sending me publications from MD and Nurse only subscriber medical journals that point to several mental psychoses as a result of all forms of synthetic THC so far She sent me multiple articles on the subject. I just thought i'd add in that, I've heard of Maranol in multiple places but never discussed side effects Can I get a gospel-in-the morning jingle to accompany my previously owed karma and de-douching? Thanks! Keep up the media assassinations and production of the best podcast... ...In The World

1:41:32 Okay. My children, it's a Sunday morning service. Tell us what you know agenda. Can I get some Adam Curry? Can I get a little John Ciccarora? Lord help us in the morning! You've been de-douche'd. You've got karma. Another long ways. Podcast for peace from Alamo California 5150. You need some prosperity karma You've got karma. Sir Greg Brunsell in Kenosha, Wisconsin 50 Rick Dolishny I think I've always pronounced that right no? Peterborough Ontario Canada for mom and dad for earning honor roll status at his grade 8 graduation as a congratulations to his son Bryce Dolishny

1:42:25 for his grade 8 graduation. However, dad's going to call him out as a douchebag! Douchebag! This is the eighth grade! Yeah really? Why? You're not going to the dance after the ceremony when the lovely valedictorian signaled him out during her speech as the class evil genius Bryce That means she likes you! Yes, dude. Hello? Hello?! She's gonna need some karma to be more alert to these signals while at high school in the fall You should have done a 6969 Karma for him Yeah... I've got karma Bryce! Dude! Dude! The question is was she hot Well apparently it was lovely that's a minimal

CHAPTER 28 / 39 Discussion

Sergeant Fred, For Greater Glory Film, Veteran Discrimination

Sgt. Fred, a regular contributor, discusses his struggle with unemployment and age discrimination after being laid off for three years. He recommends the film "For Greater Glory," which explores the Cristero War in Mexico and the role of economic interests in government overreach.

sergeant fred· for greater glory· veterans· unemployment· douglas macarthur· austin

1:43:09 George Vanderhorst, Black Knight George in Catshovel. Cats-hovel? Cats-hoe-vul. He's in for 50 and that would conclude our donors for the show 422 we also want to thank people who donated lesser amounts as always I want to thank Sergeant Fred He came by our little meetup on Friday. It was weird Friday, there was no traffic going it was like the whole city was empty. Oh they shut it down for you? The NSA? Yeah! Hey guys Adam Curry and Miss Mickey are coming in Shut it down! Shut it down! And he gave us a double nickel's on the dime On The Spot donation and I'd like to read his note here Adam thanks for your effort and research in producing... THE GREATEST PODCAST IN THE UNIVERSE

1:44:03 As a prior contributing producer, I'm delivering another double nickels on the dime which he does in paper and then he also has nice little two nickels and a dime scotch tape together. Uh...I will be- Oh, I have to take my glasses off And like a snail I will be on my slow trek to knighthood, probably won't get there until the next millennium since i am still on fixed income and have been rejected from employment after being laid off for 3 years. Still trying to get a job and feeling the discrimination because of both age and veteran status Here's a shout out of praise to all combat infantrymen and paratroopers since they are always in harms way. As Douglas MacArthur once said, nobody hates war more than the soldier who has to fight it. Right on! Also one last shout out to the theme for the recently released independent film called For Greater Glory

1:44:52 Yes, America was involved via economic hitmen for petroleum in 1926. This is a movie with I think Andy Garcia but the focus of the film is this when the president becomes dictatorial and tries to take away rights and liberties of the people then resistance and possible rebellion may be the obligation as well as the right of the people Keep your judge, bang-bang and keep the faith. I appreciate the value of The No Agenda Show love those jingles tell John C. Dvorak that i like the slide whistle as well can you please shoot me a bit of karma so I can finally end this drought of unemployment since im right now just getting by on to fixed income sincerely Sgt Fred he also by the way paid for alot of drinks we didnt catch him doing that and we really appreciate it but he didn't have to do that And id like to promote his

1:45:40 He's got a podcast, The Struggling Entrepreneur. strugglingentrepreneur.com It was lovely to see Sergeant Fred again we saw at the meetup last time We were in Austin about a year ago Did you post any pictures of the meetup? Of this one? No it was dark we were outside drinking Anyway this is for Sgt. Fred everybody think along and give him some super karma You've got karma And in fact, I'm going to give him a little jingle as well. If you wake up with the blues, shine up for your day with news There's one thing you must remember No agenda in the morning For a healthy balanced news diet try noagendashow.com It's your birthday party

1:46:32 Hey! Hey, hey! The No Agenda! And we say happy birthday to Mark Pipkin's human resource Kai turning 11th on Wednesday. That would be Independence Day. Black Knight George Van Der Horst congratulates his son Joshua and everybody a big wave and shout out to Mr Oil he says he's turning 31 is probably a lie but we're very happy congratulate him on his birthday today Happy Birthday from all your buddies here at the no agenda show And we have two, no three knightings today John. Three count them one two blade very good

CHAPTER 29 / 39 Discussion

Nighthood Ceremony, Perth Meteorite, Vapor Trails

Todd Cochran, Anonymous, and Jason Morella are knighted for their $1,000 donations. The hosts then discuss a massive meteorite that crashed off the coast of Perth, Australia, leaving a persistent vapor trail that remained visible for 24 hours due to an atmospheric inversion layer.

nighthood· todd cochran· perth· meteorite· vapor trail· inversion layer

1:47:13 Ah, Todd Cochran! Anonymous and Jason Morella. Please step forward all of you who contributed to the No Agenda Show The best podcasting universe in the amount of $1,000 or more And we highly appreciate the support It's the only way we keep this show going Without you We would be nowhere So I hereby present and pronounce thee Sir Todd Sir Anonymous And Sir Dagojay, all of you now knight to the Noah Jenna Roundtable. Come on over hookers and blow, rent boys in Chardonnay hot pants and booze and some nice breast milk for you! Congratulations and thank you so much. How are you getting the breast milk? Oh just... I don't know We got some chocolate goat milk at the

1:47:56 at the market. That's funny, I got some raw goat milk the other day and but the chocolate goat milk is off-the hook it would be...I could see that working It was just fantastic really really loved it Hey wow John we had only one donation from Perth but this a second half of the show and you know people say there's no second half for the show stuff man well Because when there's no second half of the show stuff, I'm not just gonna make crap up. You know? I got legislation to read so a couple days ago what people are claiming was a meteorite crashed into the ocean right off of Perth and you can google this...you have to see it What our producer Aaron says is weird about this is that it left like a vapor trail First of all causes sonic boom

1:48:55 So everyone heard it, you know like in a thousand mile range. But it left the vapor trail that has been hanging around for 24 hours. Is this different than the... see on February 5th there was a bolide meteor fireball? This one just happened like uh in the last 48 hours and There's also a big one, the Perth meteorite on November 10th 2011. And there was another monster in December 22nd 2000 apparently Perth gets a lot of these and it is all offshore but get this here it is meteor plunges into ocean lighting up Perth sky but look at the vapor trail which

1:49:33 It's, you know... not a cloud. Yeah but the thing has been hanging there for like 24 hours! There is no wind and look at that inversion layer right there That is a classic I'm looking at the picture That's a classic inversion layer where there's no movement This does not surprise me this is this is non-starter Camden trails from space But he does say that ships, aircraft etc. are not allowed anywhere in the area which I find a little unnecessary although if you can go dig up some meteorite that could be worth a fine penny. If it's big one its worth millions but here is the crazy one have you heard about the Stargate?

CHAPTER 30 / 39 Discussion

Baltic Sea USO, Stargate Rumors, Electromagnetic Interference

Divers investigating an unidentified submerged object (USO) in the Baltic Sea report that electronic equipment, including satellite phones and cameras, fails within 200 meters of the site. The discussion links this to a PR campaign by Transception Inc. regarding alleged Apollo 11 lunar shipwreck discoveries.

baltic sea· uso· ocean explorer· electromagnetic field· apollo 11· nasa

1:50:19 I heard about it, yes. I did and was wondering if you were going to go with the story? Yes well...I've been watching, following the story for a while this is an unidentified submerged object Which has, let's see I've got the information. Where was this found again? The Baltic Sea or something? The Baltic Sea exactly and what's weird about this is that this is new news that has come out We've seen pictures of it Navy ships around UFO Stargate in the Gulf of Aden on June 9th 2011 It moved Abe somebody moved it Yeah so they moved over to the Baltic Sea

1:50:58 And they have the Explorer X team out there trying to figure out what it is. And here's a piece of report which I think is from Russian news report in English, interestingly about the weirdness surrounding this general area when divers are trying to figure out what's going on here. We looked at our dive computer and it said minus one degree That's pretty cold for a dive and it should really be impossible to have that cold water because that actually turns into ice at zero degrees. But that could be explained by the movement of the water... Also some strange phenomenon occurred, a main objective of the dive was to film the object and yet the camera stopped working when they approached the object That's why isn't anything working? Anything electrical

1:51:55 And the satellite phone we have as well stopped working when we were above the object. When we got away for about 200 meters, it turned on again and when we got back over the object it didn't work so that's kind of strange." It's got some kind of electromagnetic field or something. The minute you're within 200 meter range above the object, video cameras don't work, the sat phones go out and you travel outside that 200-meter range... How convenient! I think there is something going on we've got these things crashing in it could be the same thing like this crashing into the ocean there in Perth because if it looks kinda like a spaceship

1:52:44 So this all stems from some company called Transception Incorporated that began its public relations campaign, apparently shows up on the PR newswire from Austin Texas. No coincidence dated April 6th 2012 The technology transfer company submitted to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden a formal letter of recommendation pursuant to 14 CFR section 1221.2 that the crew Apollo 11 be nominated for the Congressional Space Medal of Honor on grounds they had actually made contact with remains of an ancient shipwreck while on the lunar surface

1:53:22 made available for public displays, 11 hours of video showing five professional and two trainee controlled remote views describing the unidentified submerged object. Image resting on the bottom of the Baltic Sea by the Swedish crew of The Ocean Explorer using its side scanning sonar last June." I'm so happy you read all that extremely cynical bullcrap voice of yours while you were helium It'll be a good make for a great opener of the show call me back We got him didn't we so apparently John can now not even load a video. I mean a picture on his home build Windows 95 computer, which is really starting to concern me a bit Is he calling me or after does not understand that? Maybe still talking it isn't know we've disconnected and

1:54:22 You there? Yeah. Okay, work this time. Yeah you were it was so funny you're like that mocking voice you do when you think I'm crazy. I wasn't doing a mocking voice! No. I never do a mocking voice. Lovely Do i do a mocking voice? yeah yeah you mock it when I question the universe and say hey wait a minute you know there's something going on here. Well I don't mean to be mocking but Love you hey by the way question is that here's what they really go back to this thing so the question is how could the Swedes get movies and pictures and get all this stuff and Shots of the thing in it now all of a sudden. You can't get a shot off come on There's a suggestion here from the chat room maybe should pay your AOL bill Problem with the chatroom is so funny

CHAPTER 31 / 39 Discussion

Paraguay Impeachment, Fernando Lugo, Eric Holder Contempt

Paraguayan President Fernando Lugo was swiftly impeached on charges including allowing leftist meetings on army bases. The hosts compare this to the U.S. situation where Attorney General Eric Holder was held in contempt of Congress over the Fast and Furious investigation, though the DOJ declined to prosecute.

paraguay· fernando lugo· impeachment· eric holder· fast and furious· contempt of congress

1:55:21 Oh, come on man. I love you. You know that they all everybody loves you and I love you man Hey Paraguay nice little job a little hit job there huh? Yeah. So this is where all the, if you want to be looking for the Kenneth lay the guy who died as supposedly dead died of a heart attack? You know, if you want to see where the bushes are hanging out go to Paraguay I guess it wasn't good and again, I guess they need to get rid of that president Fernando Lugo while he was getting sick of these expats moving in and taking over the place. And they just took him out didn't they

1:55:59 They just impeached him on like some incredibly stupid things. What was it? It was like, hold on here's the impeachment I wish we could have this in America by the way He was impeached because...it was really funny Where was it? It was like he did something in 2009 Crap they had it listed and now I can't find it feel like a douche Yeah, four charges. He improperly allowed leftist parties to hold a political meeting in an army base in 2009. He allowed 3,000 squatters to illegally invade a large Brazilian-owned soybean farm since he's camping and his government failed to capture members of a leftist guerrilla group the Paraguayan People's Army And he signed an international protocol without properly submitting it to Congress for approval

1:57:01 Geez, I mean we'd have no president if we had those rules. Yeah that's for sure So that brings me to Fast and Furious and Eric Holder so of course our Attorney General here in the United States was held in contempt of Congress which we knew would mean nothing In fact the Justice Department has said well we're not going to prosecute him Oh okay! So I guess that's it But what was weird, and we have been predicting this to happen. Was that the black caucus of the Democrats and there's very specific here the black caucus walked out Of this vote And for those who don't know our Attorney General Eric Holder is Black He's more brown but he is African American

CHAPTER 32 / 39 Discussion

Black Caucus Walkout, Wolf Blitzer Racism Claims, Colorado Wildfires

The Congressional Black Caucus walked out of the Eric Holder contempt vote, leading CNN's Wolf Blitzer to suggest the investigation "smells" of racism. Additionally, the hosts speculate that the media may eventually blame the Colorado wildfires on Al-Qaeda or global warming.

black caucus· wolf blitzer· racism· colorado· wildfires· al-qaeda

1:57:58 Not that I don't think anyone gives a crap and then these guys come out on the step. Well yeah, here's the little... This is from CNN and what came after it was what blew me away but listen to this. Is to make sure- This is Cleaver by the way. That at least a group of members of Congress expressed to the nation that we are non participants in what we believe to be a calamity. This is a terrible day for the House of Representatives, what this is about we can't decide for sure but it certainly is not about Eric Holder or holding back documents and so we did not want to participate

1:58:47 In something that We believe to have some kind of smell to it. Okay, so he says has some kind of smell to it smell Smell to it and I'm not just the black caucus but a lot of the Democrats are saying this is political It has a smell to it and wolf blitzer smelled something else. You heard Congressman Emanuel Cleaver say, and he was I think using some signals some code language if you will that this has some kind of smell to it and i know what a lot of members in the African-American community have been implying have been suggestion given the fact that the Attorney General of United States Eric Holder is himself african-american

1:59:34 But how do you interpret what Emanuel Cleaver has just said? Is this guy an asshole or what? Both. He's an asshole and...or what? I mean, that's incredible! He immediately says well this is clearly they smell racism Racism Blitzer He is inciting racism. Yeah, well we know that this has been going on but it's not even pretty lame though and you know nobody even half the public doesn't even know that this has gone on this Eric Holder situation The guy wouldn't cough up the documents he basically told Congress to screw itself they deserved him put him in contempt he was in contempt What's funny is that ISA has submitted to the congressional record pretty much the document that Holder is not producing

2:00:29 It's the affidavit describes the most controversial tactic of all abandoning surveillance of known straw purchasers resulting in the failure to interdict arms This is a letter that he put in the congressional record and on pages 4409 through 4411 He actually has the wiretap that shows that Holder knew about all this before. He said he knew about it Which shows that he was lying And all of this is you know it's it's so and it's very much like Watergate in some ways, and you know as being called Obama up, and it's a perjury. It's got all these things and then these black Congress guys they don't keep the view was Hitler they be any was black good to go Good to go You want I'm waiting for yeah put this in the red book will ya? I'm waiting for out read look out open page get the stamp get the date stamp

2:01:32 I'm just waiting for probably McCain by the way to say that the Colorado wildfires were started by Al Qaeda. Uh, I think they're sitting on that. I agree. The only thing has come out is the Colorado wildfires are because of global warming. Yeah, of course. I think they're one step away from doing that if they need too. I'm not gonna argue that because it's very and now because I heard a report oh there's 100 of them took place simultaneously doesn't make any sense. And of course we know Al Qaeda is out to get Colorado yeah yeah Colorado big giant international threat that the state of Colorado all those trees? Yeah, you'd get hit by their club

CHAPTER 33 / 39 Discussion

Wedding Hiatus Plans, Show 200.5, Listener Q&A

Adam Curry and Miss Mickey are preparing for their upcoming wedding trip. To cover the hiatus, the hosts plan to release a compilation clip show and a special "Show 200.5" featuring listener questions about the podcast's production and personal details.

wedding· hiatus· clip show· show 200.5· q&a· miss mickey

2:02:21 Well, we really hope that someone will come through with a trailer for us. We're just looking for it could be a 20 footer I mean doesn't have to be huge just something with little kitchen with the twin size bed will fit into it somehow in a bathroom you don't need a shower or anything Just your basic gray and black water facilities And we'd love to borrow that would love to borrow it starting somewhere in the state of Texas That'll be easier for us And we will definitely be going to Colorado Springs. I mean, as long as it's not burning... Yeah that'll be done by then. We'll be visiting everybody Well let's talk about the fact that you are going to what we're thinking about doing two not reruns but here is the current situation Let me set this up So were leaving on Monday July 9th and we are returning on I think its Wednesday would that be

2:03:16 18th? Let me take a look at the calendar. Yeah, okay July 9 which is next Monday so you can still do this Sunday show. Yes, Sunday show! Do the Sunday Show which by the way the 8th is Miss Mickey's birthday but she insists I do this show Okay well we wish her a happy birthday yeah exactly and then we return on the 18th right So then on the 13th we have our party they're throwing for us at supper club Right and you don't really want to work on the 12th the 15th right because Monday is when we have the actual ceremony, right? So you can take the 12 and 15 off if we can fill but we have to put something hold on Let me just go back. It's really started because donations are down during this summer Yeah And they're down today big time so it doesn't really matter If we do a show because apparently not enough people are listening To really make this out of our networks have known this forever yeah

2:04:17 It's not that we haven't discovered anything well no, but it's Do we can put up two good shows and this is what I might think okay? We have a somebody clip show did what I haven't heard it yet But you would do you think of it. Well he did a pipeline clip show And he did a compilation of episodes 381 82 and 83 I think even 84 Is like a 2-hour show Want you to listen to it. I thought it was pretty good and he's a different intro obviously yeah, we'd reintro it okay Well let me listen to that now the other thing I wanted to do which is the more complicated one Is show two hundred point five which was never actually released for normally? It was done for The Deuce Club people contributed $200 to commemorate show 200

2:05:03 and it was show 200.5 which kind of explains our model of a show I was thinking that we would run that show again with commentary as to what changed so in other words, we'd have a new fresh show In other words, we run the show and then talk about the show after the show is over because its not a long show its an hour and something So wait a minute...so we rerun 2000-2005 which was a hidden show Yes So now be made available everybody which is where we deconstructed the show And then will make What, like 20-30 minutes we'll talk about how things have changed? Right. We've changed...we go over and take notes on the show and then we say well here's what is different and here are some other things that we learned Well what's different? Actually there is a lot different when you listen to it! Do we still suck?! Yeah Here's the other thing I was thinking because I knew you'd say that One of the elements in that show that I think is interesting that we forgot all about which should probably done at show 300 point five Is we took questions from the audience specific

2:06:02 You know, personal questions. Oh right right yes we did We asked for a bunch of questions and you would read the question and we'd try to explain why do you guys use the... how do you do that? What kind of soundboard do you have? What kinda mic do you use I mean these kinds of things that were not normally gonna talk about on a regular show And i think if we open up, we got plenty of time, we got a week over a week actually to open it up for, open up questions we can have like you can email myself or Adam. No no no! Email it to rings at NoahGeneration dot com Don't do that will never get the questions

CHAPTER 34 / 39 Discussion

Show Question Submission, Podcast Awards, Best Podcast in the Universe

The hosts provide instructions for listeners to submit questions for the upcoming special episode. They also mention Todd Cochran's plan to create a specific category for "Best Podcast in the Universe" at the Podcast Awards, noting they already own the corresponding URL.

email· show questions· todd cochran· podcast awards· branding· url

2:06:38 Yeah, by the way it's always fun because some people email you. Some people will email me that way we get different questions and that way we don't know what questions we have with it'll still be kind of like a random show like we always do cause I think most people know at this point we never talk to each other except on the program now key to this for everyone out there listening You can send an e-mail to Adam at curry dot com or John at Dvorak dot org And the key, so it doesn't kill us in the subject line show question in caps if you can remember caps but show question or show questions. Why does have to be in caps? Is that so you could see this? I want to make it as easy as possible. It doesn't have to be in caps forget it just put show questions I'll do a search. With an asterisk! No don't put anything just put show question. Hashtag

2:07:33 Don't put a hashtag. Show questions in the subject line and then we can consolidate the questions No, no we're not going to consolidate them on the show in real time Yeah there you go And so it answers some more questions because people do have questions And it's very entertaining. So we'll do the show 200.5 plus a kind of summary of what has changed and then, and we'll cut show 200.5 down We will take out some of the stuff that is... You know, we had a long laundry list of people who donated to Show 200 I think-and by the way- Academic Don't ask what operating system John is running That makes his Skype so crappy That question is Bain

2:08:19 So anyway, so we'll do that and then that will cover us on probably run the clip show on Tuesday. No, I'm sure. On Thursday and then finish up with the 200 point six we'll call it Right A show on Sunday and then we're good to go the next week Well and then I return on Wednesday And then you know jet lagged or not You know I'll be banging away on Thursday Yeah and you have collected a lot of material from being in Europe for Oh yeah no I'll have tons of stuff The work doesn't stop It's just...I will say that this is a big deal For us

2:09:00 You know, a second rodeo. It's all friends and family over there and you know then of course there is a whole press element that makes it annoying so stressful The times are off because you know I'd have to start the show at 6 p.m.. Oh yeah no it's impossible. I mean its doable once when I was over their idea to show from Holland Yeah And you can do it not like as impossible but you know we're not in the middle of a wedding situation where you have a... And this summer And it's yeah, so doesn't hurt that much now. Do you think we'll lose audience? I think we'll lose some audience if we if we interrupt I mean That's what I'm concerned about well. I know will will lose donations. That's why I wanted to do these fillers Yeah But people aren't gonna give us donations for fillers Well they might I mean they gave us donations for the clip show this that was that was that was like a sympathy fuck that was

2:09:54 No, we'll get donations. I think the donations will pretty much be like they are today Okay well in that case then let's rock and roll Yeah so we'll put a donation segment in but it's not that were no doing any work We're just doing what we have to do ahead of time We have to re-intro on the clip show and edit 200.5 and then we'll crank something out It will be entertaining as ever Well I tell you one thing Miss Mickey is very happy if we do this Yeah I think we should do this I've always been a fan of some downtime once in awhile, but we do keep the show going. But in the same way that you know The Simpsons clip shows where they... Yeah but The Simpsons is like a talented show! Well yeah, if they can do it then we can do it. That's what I say. Oh by the way before I forget Show questions. Show with the first word SHOW Hashtag number sign pound Asterix show questions all uppercase

2:10:52 You know Todd Cochran who became a Knight today. He also runs the podcast awards And, and I, and uh, and he said, you know, the next year or this year whenever it is. He says, I'm going to make that a category. And I said no, no, you can't make that a category because we'll lose in someone else will be the best podcast in the universe. We got that time. And he said, no, no, I don't want to do a category best podcasting universe with only one podcast you can vote on. That'd be cute. How cool would that be? It'd be very cool. Best podcast you can vote, what's the best podcast in the universe of all? There is only one box! We're the only ones who claim to be I haven't heard anybody else claimed to be the best podcast in the universe Well we have the URL bestpodcastintheuniverse.com Yeah we got the URL and we've got the whole thing covered We've got the brand baby Hey i'm real sorry there for all our slaves in Gitmo Nation East This is crazy So this...we've been following this legislation

CHAPTER 35 / 39 Discussion

UK Communications Data Bill, Paul Chambers Twitter Case

The UK government is proposing a bill that would require ISPs to route encrypted webmail through government black boxes to extract header data. This follows the controversial case of Paul Chambers, who was prosecuted and lost his job over a joke tweet about blowing up an airport.

uk· data bill· isp· paul chambers· twitter· freedom of speech

2:11:55 The government of course, you know wants to stop porn and so will somebody please think of the children and now as part of the Home Office's communications data bill. Here's what they're proposing They're proposing that when when you use gmail I'm gonna read this directly When individual uses a web mail service such as Gmail The entire webpage is encrypted before it sent This makes it impossible for ISPs to distinguish the content of the message because they want to get Not the content, but they want to get the headers of the message. Under the proposal... Once the Gmail is sent, the ISP has to route the data via a government-approved black box which will decrypt the message separate the content from the header data and pass the latter back to the ISP for storage so you can then read it Are these people insane? Wow!

2:12:50 That's insane. Why don't they just put the black box in your house with a camera on it pointing at you at all times? Yeah, well they have that kind of I guess Well that reminds me there was this situation that took place in England with this Paul Chambers character, I have a couple clips Paul Chambers apparently was trying to get out of England and he couldn't Who is this guy? He's just some poor schmuck. I mean, this story has not been played much... Why does he want to get out of England if he's just a schmuck?! He was gonna go meet with some girl because they arrested him for twittering! Well read Paul Chambers and you'll get the story. And try. A British man has been convicted for sending a joke tweet

2:13:32 about blowing up an airport. He's having his appeal heard again now and the case of Paul Chambers has attracted widespread condemnation among civil liberties campaigners for fear its impact on freedom of speech. Laurence Lee explains This is the story of someone who uses Twitter and who had fallen in love with somebody in another country. He found out his local airport was snowed-in, his visit to the special person was in doubt In a moment of foolishness he committed his thoughts to the web and wrote this His name is Paul Chambers

2:14:10 One tweet, one bad joke led to him being arrested. Prosecuted for making a menacing comment, criminalised, sacked from his job It is self-evident that this was a joke it was taken as a joke the police said it was a joke the airport said it represented no threat whatsoever But Paul Chambers still ended up being prosecuted and convicted. In Britain, the Chambers case has become a landmark over freedom of expression and whether the law understands the Internet Wow! Yeah so this is what's going to be wrong with these autonomous drones you're gonna send some stupid tweet that's gonna locate it through your IMEI on your phone And then before you know it you've got incoming hellfire missile Preview

2:15:07 Preview. Preview, that's what you're gonna get. Preview! Yeah! It was terrible And it's just some douchebag prosecutor, so the law is the law. You know these guys are just soulless drones themselves that don't say this is bullcrap, don't do it again. Nobody ever thinks of actually policing the way it used to be done. Hey buddy! Don't do that again. That's done, it's a done deal. The guy won't do it again. But no let's go through the process of wasting taxpayers money and imprisoning the guy. What? Ruining his life essentially. He got fired

CHAPTER 36 / 39 Discussion

Twitter API Restrictions, Social Network Bots, Facebook Likes

Twitter is tightening its API restrictions, cutting off third-party developers to force users onto its official apps and website. The hosts discuss the prevalence of bots and fake personas on social networks, arguing that "likes" and follower counts are often manipulated by PR firms.

twitter· api· linkedin· bots· facebook· social media

2:15:44 Yeah. Wow. Because he just, you know... He wasn't thinking I guess even if he was thinking it wasn't a tweet yeah it's just irked well Twitter is going down man Well Twitter has got issues I know that in terms of the... I think I may have mentioned this on the show The whole API? I'm following the whole API discussion That's the big thing now Well, what's going on? What do you think well and this is gonna happen with Facebook and all these things. Yeah You know they cancel their contract with LinkedIn because basically the only way that you can use Twitter is if you use the Twitter app or The Twitter website they're cutting off all the external developers

2:16:29 And you lose your developers and then all these, your favorite clients not going to work etc. There's gonna be negativity that stuff always spins you know it's a... Social networks, you know people don't give a crap. Whatever is used tomorrow they'll use that and wow wouldn't it be interesting if all the people who make Twitter clients are now being shunned by Twitter decided to I don't know use RSS instead which is pretty much the same thing You just need to have subscription things built into the client and you're done You know, I know there's some issues with Twitter. Besides the basic corruption of people who have millions of followers that don't have millions of followers and you can buy followers and all these other issues... All I know is when Twitter began and I was one of the top 20 twitter-ers with like 10 thousand followers. This is years ago. We're at like 80 thousand now!

2:17:22 Yeah, I know but I never got put on one of their lists that would have pumped me up to a million. It's just bogus! I'm not even verified...I tried to get verified and they won't verify because they don't care. This is the story. If i had 10 000 followers if i had mentioned something to these ten thousand people and I tracked it because they always use bitly or something that tracks clicks and you do you want to use something the shrink your because now they shrink them automatically but used have the shrink the URL or they count as characters so I'd say hey, you gotta go see this website is really cool and i put the website there then I track it in I have out of 10 thousand followers I get three thousand click through's. And actually wrote a column about this about how direct mail when you start really adding things up It was very similar to the direct mail number that huge that that's a huge amount

2:18:13 That was a huge amount, that was ridiculous. But it wasn't and it was consistent with 80 thousand which is eight times more people supposedly You get this fraction I get probably at the most 300 Yeah Well its funny because whenever I tweet out So 8 times more gives me 1 tenth It doesn't make any sense! so I always look up my server when I tweet out the link to the show The minute the tweet is sent, before it even shows up in my timeline I get 300 hits. Because that's all the bots. That just bots going like... Oh a link click! A link click! And a lot of what all these millions and millions of Facebook and Twitter users they're all government PR companies with false personas

2:19:06 That's a lot of what is out there. The like thing on Facebook is such a scam, it's ludicrous I don't know what it accomplishes. I don't care if somebody likes something, and they go oh! I'm gonna buy it because its got 500 likes Well that... well I understand the mechanism, I understand it Well I understand but doesn't affect me No it doesn't affect you? I don't care either But it makes the sad individuals who really use this all of time You know gives them an out So I am too tired to say that was a cool picture your food so I'll just like it

2:19:42 That's all that is. You know, all these things... Twitter you know if news happens I go to Twitter to see what's going on that's the value of Twitter If somethings going on like power outage you can find it Yeah you can That's really cool Facebook not so It just people making themselves feel relevant to the consumerist society Oh look at my bag! It has a logo It has a logo on it Woohoo Anyway, so Twitter's uh them making mistakes and it's easy. It's easy You know people are fickle no people are really fickle especially these on these networks you know you do one thing and everyone bails out and then but Especially if there's something else that you can jump to yeah I've been working on something on a something all right well Eventually with our with one of our producers Dave Jones Yeah And we'd be building is something that will put out open source and

CHAPTER 37 / 39 Discussion

Decentralized Social Media, Australia Carbon Tax, IMF Influence

Adam Curry mentions a project to build a decentralized, open-source social media platform. Meanwhile, Australia has implemented a carbon tax of $23 per ton, a move predicted by the IMF's Christine Lagarde that is expected to impact consumers while benefiting clean energy companies.

open source· australia· carbon tax· imf· christine lagarde· global warming

2:20:49 When we're ready, then I'm sure if we put this out there Mr. Oil and Gitmo Slave and all those guys will immediately put it in 5,000 data centers so everyone can have an account but it will be decentralized And basically be this So working on something No money by the way I'll look forward to it Yeah! I know you will because you'l use it You'd like oh this is cool It would be no company, no central service just kind of work At least that's the idea No, kind of. Yeah well it'll get co-opted they all do so maybe let's catch up with Australia their second biggest donors they got I guess they put their carbon tax in play yeah well we knew that yeah yeah this is a complete ripoff and I have two clips mm-hmm one is just a discussion of what they've done and they're gonna charge everybody money for taxes Hold on a second! I gotta mention void zero

2:21:47 He's another one of the guys that runs the servers. You know, if I forget that then you know he's a sysadmin they get all pissed off and huffy Oh yeah no they ge-they get very sensitive to people You're awesome VoidZero! You rock! Okay sorry back to Australia Let's just play this uh introductory clip then i want to play a douchebag who is commenting on it and I don't even know why they ran this guy Think of pollution and this is what might spring to mind. But Australia's carbon tax will be felt right across its economy because although fewer than 300 creators of carbon dioxide will pay the tax directly, the effects will be felt by their customers and by their customers' customers too

2:22:30 The government wants its impact to filter down, nudging producers to make good in a greener way. Nudging people towards buying greener products but it's controversial opposition politicians call it a great big tax on everything It certainly ambitious although the price will eventually float for three years is fixed at $23 a ton more than... Woah! That's exactly what the IMF... What Christine Lagarde predicted remember? Yep Wow! Double the current price faced by producers in the EU. Predictably, mining companies have queued up to condemn it while producers of clean energy like the company producing this tidal energy equipment in Perth stand to benefit My goodness that is so... The IMF runs the show? Apparently. Wow! And meanwhile but well by the way I'm gonna just ask you maybe this guy will don't make an ask at him but what do they do with this money oh well they give it to other countries

2:23:28 That then goes, you know... so here's how it works. It's an economic hitman! So we're going to give this to I don't know pick a country the Congo and but they not actually give it to the Congo they give it to American companies that go do the work in the Congo. It's an economic hitman scheme Okay, so now there is douchebag comes on to make comment The effect on most Australian businesses though will be more subtle. This online shoe retailer will face higher energy costs at their Sydney headquarters, but they manufacture in China unaffected by Australia's tax

2:24:03 Carbon tax is going to have a very small impact on our business and if it encourages other economies and governments around the world to introduce similar carbon tax, that's going to have a positive effect on reducing global warming around the world. And it's gonna be really positive impacts so businessman small impacts citizen big impacts I think its great So this douchebag, in other words since he's having everything made in China doesn't have to it's not gonna affect him hardly and so as far as he's concerned that's great because everyone else is gonna have to pay a lot. It's gonna reduce global warming and there's nothing better than that I mean just this guy was like you're just oblivious to the abhorrent

CHAPTER 38 / 39 Discussion

Minitel Shutdown, Video Text History, Internet Regulations

France is officially shutting down the Minitel service after 30 years. The hosts reflect on the history of video text systems and critique recent C-SPAN discussions on internet regulation, which focus heavily on consumption rather than the ability of users to upload content.

minitel· france· video text· apple tv· roku· c-span

2:24:48 ridiculous tax that the Aussies are having to pick up now and he makes an excuse for it. I couldn't believe it anyway, just a personal douchebag guy. Well let me give him a little uh... Hey what happened? Whoa! Whoa whoa! There we go that feels better. It's like a... And so Minitel is dead Yeah yeah I read that We've talked about Minitel on the show in the past Rarely but play the Minitel clip and then we'll talk about it a little bit France's scrap is once groundbreaking Minitel service complete with mushroom colored boxes that blazed a trail for the world wide web. Launched in 1982, this homegrown precursor of the internet brought online banking travel reservations and even sex chats to millions.

2:25:43 I think that with the Minitel we invented a lot of today's technology. The fact that a terminal could access a service at the other end of the world, I mean the internet and all online networks." There are still an estimated 670 000 terminals in circulation. In the late 1990s France had 25 million users creator France Telecom was unable to sell the clunky system overseas and with the rapid growth of the internet making Minitel obsolete, the plug will be pulled this weekend once and for all. So two things here I'm very familiar with a Minitel system one it was primarily used for getting the weather and for booking hookers

2:26:28 Well, hold on a second. It was put in the place they never mentioned this by the phone company to prevent them from having to produce phone books it was a phone directory online phone directory and so they didn't have to print phone books anymore that was the reason it started it evolved into hookers Yes, in fact it got so hooker ish that if you went and even took you as soon as you turn on your terminal You got solicited by a dozen girls And I would love by the way and I know you would as well John. I would love to have a Minitel Terminal just for my My collection yeah, I'd love to have a mini tell ya hope they don't destroy them all they should auction them off There were several systems out there the Netherlands had They had

2:27:12 Well, they have the teletext system. What was the other one? Video text where you connected a little box to your... They had an upstream through the phone line and lots of... It went on television set though didn't it? Yeah it received... Text! Yeah received the texts but it was individual to your set so teletext is just everyone gets the same thing that's a page and that still used people use that a lot. But the video text You could actually talk back to the system and it would address your television specifically. And they were selling televisions, and this is just to prove that the whole idea of a web TV... It's not really going to work!

2:28:01 for them to finally start selling sets that had this built in, not the teletext but the video text. And it died off! People stopped using it. It never really became hugely successful, the videotex part of it and I always have to laugh when I hear Apple TV is going to be great... No its not. Roku was the only one by the way I watched this two hour C-Span thing about television and video online, and they're talking about the regulations. And there was a guy from Roku there of course all the cable guys were represented our government is such a bunch of douchebags all we can talk about is consumption consumption consumers consumption consumers consumption consumers consumers consumption not once nor of course was any representation of people who want to send something up

2:28:58 through the internet. It's all about this great programming, yes everyone has to have all this great programming it's going to be great and the consumers can consume great video they totally don't understand well maybe they do but they're not letting us... They're making regulations all for the downstream nothing for the upstream and by the way this is not about net neutrality that's a bull crap trap it's abhorrent Not a single person, even the Roku guy was disappointing. You know? Because if you want to put video online well then you have to come to one of the six guys that will be left over and they'll put it up for you Bull crap Get off Gmail! Get off Google Stop using Google Just stop it Stop it Unless you want autonomous drones Guardian Angel Just stop it please Please I beg of you

CHAPTER 39 / 39 Discussion

Afghan Poppy Fields, US Troop Protection, Show Outro

The show concludes with a look at photos from "poppys.curry.com" showing U.S. troops patrolling and protecting Afghan poppy fields. The hosts sign off with final predictions for the Euro 2012 final and a reminder of the next episode's schedule.

afghanistan· poppies· opium· us army· public intelligence· austin

2:30:05 I think that's about all of God. Um, um, um empty Oh, uh, I do have one beautiful thing for you just go to poppies curry calm here we go again What do you mean? Here we go again you and your yeah Well this handy it's handy not to send you a link. It just said poppy sub domains. Just go poppys curry These are June 2012 photos of our troops patrolling the poppy fields. Oh yeah! Look at these there, this is interesting because the poppies... There's two kinds of opium poppies and ones with a red flower and one with a pink flower that is variegated oh that's gorgeous! Aren't they beautiful? Yeah the red flower ones are the ones you see occasionally in United States growing

2:30:51 Yeah, the red ones are nice. They're pretty but these variegated pink ones are really nice. It's a very decorative... I love the farmer. See the picture of the farmer yet? No, I'm still going down. He's like like the big old bulbs The farmers like hey this is awesome. I got my got these dudes protecting my crop He knows and they're protecting that they're not burning them They're not eradicating him know that protecting them proof right there And that farmer is priceless for our banks but from farmers like how awesome Is this dude?

2:31:30 By the way, I love his outfit. That's a look man! Well that guy he is definitely... well he is in the money Yeah it's good look kind of like it You'd look good that way I would with beard and everything Allah Akbar! Alright everybody Allah Akbar to you Hold on a second before we finish There one picture The last one What is this thing on this guys back? Is it lightning rod or something what is that Huh, it's like a lightning rod. It looks more like a Witches broom that that was someone flew on too much or maybe it's like a transmitter Is that the latest in US government antenna technology Just above that the guys got this long antenna right at the back stick now That looks like it sticking out his butt yeah I mean that's he's actually making a call and

2:32:36 Hey mom, hey mom I'm in the middle of this poppy field. This is a great... you send people to this when they say you're full of crap about the fact that we're the one there's whole things about poppies That's why i made it a subdomain thank you very much poppys.curry.com And are you going to keep loading with photos? No! This is not me this is uh..I don't know You just vent forward your public intelligence Yes exactly that's what I do baby so what I do um So we are still on the lookout for A trailer for the 2009 Hot Pockets Tour. We have the Noah Jenner producer update coming up on the stream, which is with Ms. Mickey on the show today and she'll be talking- she'll give an update with with folks there I guess it's Mr. Oil, Gitmo Slave...I might just throw in Void Zero! I don't want to get caught when my pants down. And Italy! Italy for the win! John?

2:33:38 Spain again. Spain again, Italy for the win we shall see what happens in Euro 2012 and we appreciate all of you checking in and supporting us with our value for value model dvorak dot org slash NA 423 an anagram coming up that will be our next episode and we'd appreciate if you would support the work that we do I'm gonna start folding my tinfoil hat, or my chaff-hat. Chaff Hat. Coming to you from the capital of the drone star state, where guardian angel rules! Austin Tejas in the morning everybody My name's Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley and again happy birthday Canada i'm John C Dvorak we'll talk to you again on Thursday right here on No Agenda

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