Trojan Horse

00:00 That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard. Adam Curry. John C. DeVora. That's Thursday, December 15, 2011. Time for your Good Monation Media assassination episode 365. This is no agenda. Bully Patrol here at Camp MoFo in Austin, Texas, the capital of the lone star state. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I'm eating a red-fleshed pomelo, I'm John C. Dvorak. And there it is again. There it is, the illustrious Stinger.

00:37 So in the morning to you Adam, currying all ships and seeing boots on the ground and feet in the air? Oh well, do I ever get to say in the morning to the bakers in the kitchens? You've never done that. Yeah we have done that. And to the, in the morning to all of the drone pilots in the bunkers, in the containers flying around at 18,000 feet above New York. And of course to all of the human resources in the chatroom, NoahJennerStream.com, NoahJennerChat.net. We do this show twice a week and we do it live. Why do we do it live actually? We do it because it makes us feel relevant. Because you like it. Yeah, exactly. And it's live to tape, which means there's no editing ever. You can dump it out, you know, before you bring it up. Production note there from John C. Dvorak. Yes, it's good to see we have a quorum in the chat room. That's always nice. And of course, most people are listening to this on the podcast. A fine distribution mechanism while it still lasts. Is today the SOPA vote?

01:39 Well, according to ISA, he says it's not passing unless they make some major changes. I don't think so. I don't think it's going to pass at all. Well, I never thought it was going to pass. Once I saw they'd done a pretty decent job of rallying the troops. In fact, a friend of mine is one of the PR agents behind rallying the troops. Oh, really? Which, the good guys or the bad guys? Good guys. And who are the good guys in this case? Uh, anybody designated against it, no. CNN has been running commercials non-stop for SOPA. Have you noticed that? No, you don't watch CNN. I'm, I'm, I watch, see what is my assignment? You're, well, we have different assignments. I think we both watched a lot of C-SPAN this week. I can see because I see identical clips.

02:30 That's a shame. Yeah, mainly from the NRC hearings which was just hilarious. Well I cut mine way down so I recommend my clips but I do have an end of show clip and I've decided to come with a new idea. Well you know we do have an end of show clip from Maynard interviewing Sir Thomas so it might have to be a double shot. Okay, we run my end of show clip and then run Maynard. Yeah, double shot, double shot. So I heard the Maynard clip, it's quite good. Yeah, it's excellent. So I've got like three short tight Clips with some explanation that that's it like a teaser for the end of show clip to keep people listening to the whole show So okay, it's funny because I have three NRC clips. This is the nuclear regulatory Commission It was a long was like six hours worth of C-SPAN this week

03:14 And and let's start off by making sure that everyone knows this is a huge distraction of the week. Oh, but hilarious Hold on. Let me just make sure we They're actually saying it they're actually saying this in the hearing itself like oh the press is all here This is a distraction this is like wow but if you had to write this and I know you can't write it any better. The actors are great. This guy, Jazco, by the way, if you if you look at his name, J A C Z K O, it looks like Jack off. I don't know. I keep thinking Jack off, jerk off. Well, he's apparently was a regular member of the NRC and then they promoted him to chairman. And I guess he's one of those guys. And I've seen this happen in

04:04 Other people have actually worked for a living have seen it happen where you have a guy was a normal guy and then he gets the he gets he gets the job where he can lord it over people and becomes a first-class a-hole with no skills Yeah, and you could just see this is a Steve Jobs kind of character who likes to yell at people It's so funny you say that because what I was going to say about this whole thing is when Steve Jobs bullies people and is an a-hole He's a genius But when some guy in the Nuclear Regulatory Commission bullies people, bullying, remember this is bullying, and these are adults, then we have to write a letter to the President's office because we're being bullied. And they have to have a whole congressional hearing which really irks them.

04:51 Alright, what do you got? I might have different, I also cut my clips down but maybe we have different things. Let's get into it. It's just funny. Well, I have them kind of in order so it starts off with I think the kicker and this guy, but people have to imagine what we're looking at here. The Jackoff guys in the middle. And his, the people bitching about him are flanking him, sitting right next to him on either side. But not even a distance like, you know. No, they're like bumping him. They're rubbing elbows, they're rubbing elbows for Christ's sake, I know. So play clip number one. I'm having a problem here, for some reason the clips aren't showing up in the system. What is going on here? Hold on a second. I don't know why this is happening, John.

05:39 This is weird. Okay, well we can talk about something else in the meantime. Well, I mean I have to like really focus on this for a second because I've got to start stuff. I don't know what happened. This is not... Okay, well I'll play a medley of my famous slide whistle tunes. There you go. Hold on, it might be here now. Let me just see. Oh yeah. Dance today! Hello everybody!

06:19 Alright, if this doesn't work then, uh, oh there we go. Hey, would you like me to play clip number one? Yeah! For each of the commissioners, do you believe that employees, professional staff of the NRC have experienced intimidation, hostile or offensive conduct on behalf of the chairman by the chairman anything that would be considered to be intimidating, hostile or offensive by the chairman any professional staff experience that yes yes and they're raising their hands yes ladies and gentlemen that's the definition of harassment

07:03 Yeah, it's funny about this clip is that the guy sitting there listening to this he's got a really grim look on his face But this is a clip they that C-SPAN itself pulled as a teaser and ran it separately To get people to watch C-SPAN, I've never seen them do that before. Oh dude, I'm seeing so much of this. If you go to c-span.org, I mean they've completely redone the site. It's almost like they're ready to take advertising. I mean they're really, and by the way, wouldn't that be a surprise? They're really working it. Now I know they're doing, I don't know if they got a new guy in at C-SPAN, maybe we should check.

07:39 But there's got to be a new guy because this is the old school broadcasting stuff that they're doing I admire it because it does get you you know, this is interesting. Of course it does. Let me tune into this boring hearing. And we're like lured like, oh yes, I can't wait for this. This is wonderful. Now I know it's I don't see anything. I don't see a I don't see a new guy at C-SPAN but someone is doing something new at at C-SPAN. Someone had a meeting, that's for sure. And anyway, so this hearing, this Jackoff guy, he was apparently harassing female employees, screaming at people. He was just a bad, you know, the classic bad manager. I guess he watched that bad manager new sitcom, he decided that's the way to do it. So now I got some more of the short clip, this guy, some more, a little more action here at the NRC hearings too.

08:31 So, as far as I know, I've had the ability to make decisions fully informed. I have questions, I have doubts, and I have concerns. Commissioner Ossendorf. My concerns with respect to Chairman Steyl have been primarily that his interface with our NRC staff has been abrasive, he uses the term passionate, I would say it has prevented staff from feeling comfortable they can bring forth their best views and recommendations to the commission. From that standpoint I think that's a grave concern. Have you lost confidence in his ability to lead? At this stage I have, yes. He's sitting right next to the guy. So you know, again, let's just set this up a little bit. So what happened is there's a

09:19 an oversight committee hearing for hours about and the day before this hearing the there's five commissioners one of which is the chairman this is the jack off guy and these four commissioners send a letter to chief of staff daily so that's like the the head guy at Obama's office well not really because of course it's Valerie Jarrett and they say we're being bullied this is not good we're being bullied he's very easily yelling at us he has a temper he's so angry and you know only for the female staffers were in tears by the way that's what they state but of course the guy denies did you hear the denials do you have that clip that's the that's the long clip I want for the end of the show that's when Labrador oh no no I'm talking about chaffetz no

10:08 Oh, no, I don't have Chaffetz. You got that one. I got Chaffetz. I thought Labrador was funnier, which is the end of the show clip. It goes on for about three or four minutes. Oh yeah, no, no, no. This is not that long. But Chaffetz, if you listen to it, it sounds like, seriously, if you put the music behind it, I just want you to close your eyes and imagine the Jeopardy music. it is just like jeopardy listen to this uh... this meeting chairman yasko uh... you're undoubtedly aware of the uh... letter that was sent uh... to the white house to uh... the chief of staff dated october thirteenth two thousand eleven there's five very serious charges in their number one intimidating and bullying bullied senior career staff truer falls i have not bullied and intimidate christa at truer falls ordered staff to withhold or modify policy information a recommendations intended to trend

10:54 for transmission to the commission uh... there is one occasion which i discussed with uh... a very senior manager uh... a recommendation that he wanted to make a on an issue and we'll only one time in the history of your time there are correct and i have uh... that's one thing i wrote all attempted to intimidate the advisory committee on reacting reactor safeguards the legislative anyway it goes on true or false True or false, ignore the will of the majority. Isn't that just like a Jeopardy question? True or false on the National Nuclear Regulatory Commission? True or false? And talk about who's bullying who here. Oh really? So I have the Osterhof who actually mentions the bullying.

11:37 What is this about? Let me play my, I have a real short the NRC hearings number three and then you we can save the Labrador which I think personally with that. We can argue about what was the best but I like Labrador's the best because he's the one that... He was good, he was good. All right this is um what's in this clip? I don't know. If he also controls his temper a little bit he can continue to lead the commission. Yes. Chairman, there was an apology issued. I don't know whether you drafted it or the White House drafted it. Who drafted your apology? I prepared a letter that I sent to Mr. Daley. I'm not sure if that's the letter you're referring to. Have you apologized more than once?

12:18 I have indicated to Mr. Daley in that letter that I was sorry for the distraction that this has caused. Is that the only thing you're sorry for, is the distraction? Do you admit any of the conduct that's been alleged this morning? If, again, many of these accusations I'm hearing for the first time... Well, that doesn't impact whether they're true or not. The fact that you haven't heard them yet doesn't mean they're not true. My question is simple. Are they true? I don't believe that they are true. What does that mean? I don't believe that they are true. Oh, I think you missed the best part. I have the follow-on to this. Listen to this. Again, many of these accusations I'm hearing for the first time... Well, that doesn't impact whether they're true or not. The fact that you haven't heard them yet doesn't mean they're not true. My question is simple. Are they true?

13:10 I don't believe that they are true. What does that mean? I don't believe that they are true. Have you been verbally abusive to female staff? No, I have not. Have you withheld information from your fellow commissioners? I have not. Have you asked anyone, are they on your team? I have never said something like that. Chairman, let me tell you what it looks like from my vantage point, which my background is not in nuclear science. When you have four eyewitnesses that testify to something under oath, You know what they call the defendant after that? An inmate. I thought that was the best line. Yeah, you know, I heard that part of it. I didn't know if... I mean, I could have clipped that too. I thought it was a good line. I thought that was the best line. But then, Doug Kucinich jumped all over him after that for delivering that line, because this guy's not under indictment and going to go to jail. But that doesn't matter! It was a good line, but it wasn't... Come on! That guy, I think he heard his cause by it. I was just applauding the script writers. I'm like, oh, good line, good line. I like it. Good one.

14:15 And by the way, John, so we'll have the longer, even better clip at the end of the show, just before Maynard's interview with Sir Thomas. Which is a great interview, by the way. President Obama is recycling his jokes! No, oh yeah, oh yeah, so here's a you know he welcomed the troops home for Christmas home for the holidays Which we knew would happen unfortunately? No one I thought Justin Bieber would do the home for the holidays remix He did sing home for Christmas at the the Christmas caroling session with the president So I guess it was wrong unless someone all of a sudden pops up with the with a single I thought that was gonna be a big hit we should you know we're stupid we should have re-released it and

14:59 We should have bought up the rights, home for the holidays. So he's talking to the troops and of course Michelle Obama goes first and then he gets on stage. Hello everybody! Hello everybody! Hello everybody! Hello! Hello Fort Bragg! Fort Bragg! All the way! All the way! Now, I'm sure you realize why I don't like following Michelle Obama. Obama! I'm just saying. Gentlemen, that's your goal, to marry up.

15:43 And I'm hearing that, I'm like, wait a minute, he's already done that joke. And here it is from October 27th. Thank you very much. I hate following Michelle. She's so good. How lucky am I to be married to Michelle Obama? See, for you men out there who are not yet married, let me explain. The whole goal is to marry up. I mean, really? If Seinfeld did the same joke twice in a row, he'd be vilified. Can't do that. Not if it's being taped. No, and it's almost identical. Hate following Michelle Obama. Yeah, just a couple different lines. Got to marry up. The wordage is a little different. It's the same joke. It's the exact same joke. Someone must have quit.

16:44 Yeah, as joke writer. What are we gonna do? Let's use the jokes. Who's gonna notice? What idiots are gonna do? No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff! No one's watching this stuff I'm just I was disappointed you know this I watch C-SPAN I want original material or put a date stamp on it that says this originally aired you know tell me it's the best television on TV besides the X Factor I have to say I got kind of sucked into the X Factor. Well I think before I go on that we maybe should thank our executive producers for today's show so we can get that out of the way. Alrighty.

17:32 We have a couple. Nice. Yeah, we do. We have... Oh, Atomic Rod. Atomic Bob or whatever his name is. Rod. Atomic Rod Adams. Atomic Rod, which is a great name. Well, you know, he's in the Navy. He's been on nuclear ships. He's our pro-nuke guy. We need people on all sides of the issues to give us the... We hope that they don't like what the oil guy did. Start leading us down to primrose path path to nowhere, but generally talking about our oil guy. What are you talking about? Not not mr. I'm talking about that guy some time ago that was on that it was on the platform and he was Grouse oh yeah, yeah, no he that guy he was not a military guy who yeah?

18:22 who blasted me for saying that generals design their own uniforms and he sent me some decode this is a you know the army decides and I sent him the code right back saying read paragraph one idiot. Do you know what I got from from I think it's the 256 airborne? They sent me a flag And a couple of new amazing challenge coins, but a flag that has flown over their their camp there in Afghanistan Oh, well you should fly it over your house, and yeah, oh you bet Austin. Yeah right next to the Mexican flag Yeah, well, I didn't get anything like that. Anyway, so let's give our three executive producers and one associate executive producers a call out, including Tom McRod in Annapolis, Maryland for donating $3.69. We gave him his birthday call out last show.

19:12 Your mainstream media deconstructions inspired my petroleum pusher deconstruction efforts on Atomic Insights.com. For nearly five decades people have been taught to fear nuclear energy by people who make hundreds of billions of dollars by selling competitive hydrocarbons. I'm asking for karma as I continue my second year of working on a team producing small modular reactor designs. I'm hoping the open warfare among commissioners in the NRC is resolved by demoting the chairman whose management competence has been denounced! and a letter to the White House signed by the other commissioners. He's hopping on that bullying train, obviously. Alright, Atomic Rod, good job. You've got karma. Lovely. He's been telling me a lot about these small modular ones and you could throw one in your backyard and run your entire neighborhood on it forever. I'm in. Yeah, me too. So, $365, a couple of 365s show commemorative executive producers Gavin Williams and Seven Oaks Kent.

20:13 long-time Lister, long-time freeloader, it's time to pay my dues. Difficult times here in Gitmo, UK as slaves we are torn. On the one hand we're happy to be a part of the democracy deficiency of the forthcoming EU super state and on the other hand stuck with a national government subservient to the discredited financial sector that dominates our ruling class. We escape from an asylum only to look into the mirror to see clowns laughing back at us. Yeah, that's true. The best podcast in the universe must have my money before it's too late. You know, Gavin, I've often flown over Seven Oaks. It's a very important point for aeronautical navigation. And the great thing about Seven Oaks is there's only six oaks there.

20:59 Sounds like something Canadians would love. One fell down, I think one got blown over or something. Yeah. It's beautiful though. Okay, Kirkann in Genesso, New York, $3.65 a day for the next year. I'd love to give more but unfortunately the overlords give me all the poverty I can afford. Please give me a shot at karma to complete my doctoral dissertation by the end of the year, another student. You've got Carmen. I'm just noticing that we missed a tremendous opportunity because of course we're you know too busy listening to the president's repeat of jokes. The opportunity of course was to donate a dollar a day a year in advance 365 this is episode 365. Hey we got another two weeks for that to happen. This is true. This is true. Carl Schmiemek

21:46 Or Shymeck, one of the two. Traeger, Wisconsin, $200.01. Adam, welcome to Austin. I guess he must have moved there too. Yeah, he's moved there, but his old PayPal address is in Wisconsin. He came in from Wisconsin. I'm sure you enjoy the unrelenting drought in 110 degree days this summer. Hell yeah! and uh... it's our associates doesn't bother me it doesn't matter i think it's a dry heat yet when i think everyone who donated what you uh... out there if you haven't did join the cause and joined our uh... our little club here to uh... go to the work that org slash in a divorce dot uh...

22:27 I'm sorry, Dvorak.org slash NA, channel Dvorak.com slash NA, noagendashow.com and noagendanation.com where you can hit the donate button and help us get through the rest of the year which is going to be a little rough here. Yeah. But of course I do like the idea of donating a dollar a day in advance that, hey, you know, the dollars add up. That's good. That's how it works. So we can continue to do this. I mean, people think, I had this discussion this morning with someone. We make it look easy. I have to say. We make it look easy. But there's a lot that goes on in between these shows. I mean, I'm done with the show. I'm immediately looking at, okay, what's going on now? You have to be constantly aware. I'm in the car, I'm on my phone. I mean, I don't know if you do this,

23:11 But I'm always, you know, it's always switching between channels, multiple monitors, you know, with C-Span 1 and 2 streaming on the computer, always watching what's happening, turning up volumes. You know, it's impossible to live with me. I don't know why Nikki puts up with it. But yeah, there's a lot of monitors going with some of the people come into the room. They go. What are you watching? If you're if you're awake, what am I not watching? Everyone's in my eyes. Those off. Oh, my God. What did I miss? I've had that happen where I'm on the couch, literally. It's falling asleep, and then I'm like what what did I hear what luckily you can back it up on a DVR Yeah, you see what it was that knocked you out. Yeah, exactly Dvorak.org Slash and a couple of the interesting PR initiatives happening here some domain names forwarding to know agenda show calm here's some Bogometer domain names reset your bogometer calm this of course is a derivative of bogative peg the bogometer calm

24:12 Reset the Bogometer.com all these forwarding to noagendashow.com that's highly appreciated a couple of and these are good of course Chelsea Clinton in her March to continue the legacy Blake has registered for us Clinton2020.com and ChelseaClinton2020.com which I think is you know we might be here in eight years ready for her to run for the presidency yeah She'll be clunking around just like her mom. We have a new one Clippity-clopping is not is not clunking. It's clippity-clopping watch TV for me calm which is exactly what we do and then Got an email. I'm not even sure who this is from I'm drunk, but my understanding is that is this is encouraged and

25:02 One of the awesome apps guys should make an app for newsstand on iOS devices. There's practically nothing in there besides the New York Times, Guitar World and something like effing .net today or whatever. A no agenda newsstand app that pulls from the show notes or something would probably be popular just because it's not about .net. F.net and I can't play the guitar. Show's awesome. I'm drunk. Cool. He didn't send any money. Hey buddy, you're getting missing the point. But at least he's doing something. He's on the right track. Everybody else out there, drunk or not, you can always go out and propagate the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. World order! Shut up, slave. Can I do something funny?

26:03 Yes, I'm really funny little pre-production stuff. I did it wasn't I mean don't get too excited now So you know I'm still following this whole pedo bear Penn State thing what reproduction yeah He said pretty pre-production So I'm following the whole pedo bear Penn State thing because you know I'm trying to and it really is Astounding what is going on and of course our media is completely useless completely useless And I picked up so the Sandusky's lawyer held a press conference and Guys actually pretty good. You know I guess Sandusky said you know I don't want to I waive my right to preliminary hearing so of course now we won't get any of the evidence pretty good because it looks like he's trying to set up a mistrial a lot of craziness is doing right so I'm listening to this and

26:53 Just like when someone says, you know a website we always look up the who is you know We're always looking for the source right which is what is that called? Oh, yeah, I think Morning. Yeah journalism. Yeah, right work. Yeah. Why why would anyone else do that but us here in the basement? and so I listened to this and then I had an idea. If anyone is naive enough to think for a minute that Tim Curley, Joe Paterno, Gary Schultz, and for that matter, Graham Spanier, the university president, were told by Mike McQuarrie that he observed Jerry Sandusky having anal sex with a 10-year-old looking kid in a shower room at Penn State, on Penn State property, and her response was simply to tell Jerry Sandusky that don't go in the shower room anymore with kids

27:38 I suggest you dial 1-800-REALITY because that makes absolutely... that makes absolutely no sense. Okay, so he says, uh, if you think this actually went down like this and someone just said, oh, don't go in the shower with kids, you should dial 1-800-REALITY, pal! So I know where you're headed with this one. I dialed 1-800-REALITY! Here we go! ...on its place for triple-X action. Get ready for both first-party engage, high-curious stun. What a bargain! So really if you dial 1-800-REALITY you get the gay and bi-curious line. You get a gay porn site, yeah. Only 99 cents a minute or $2.99 if you're bi-curious. I'm like, I'm in. I'm in. So how, how... So what do you mean you're in? Did you pay the $2.99? I'm considering it. Yeah, sure. Hey, there's hot guys. XXX Action. No, it's just for you. Talk is cheap.

28:52 How, what an imbecile. I know, isn't that funny? Bulge bursting hot guys. Call 1-800-REALITY. We had one reporter. That was picked up on the net I think. Oh really? Oh really? That doesn't surprise me. I think it was. Oh was that blogged? Don't tell me it was on Dvorak.org. It may have been blogged, but I don't think we picked it up. I don't think that I know for pretty sure that the news me the regular news me didn't pay any attention to the humor. I mean these guys are out to lunch. Oh yeah. I mean I got lots of stuff so go ahead.

29:30 Go ahead and what? I'm listening. I got all kinds of... well I got... I mean... Okay, I got a couple pet peeves. Oh! See if you can spot in these commercials... well actually there's a couple. Let's start with the short one. I have the short one. I'm listening to this... I was just flipping around. I got this show on. It's like on do-it-yourself or something. And this guy uses this term and I realized that I've heard this done before. And I didn't realize at the time how much I hated it. So play very exciting. Oh, okay. All times. Even has your name on it. What is it? Very exciting. Very exciting. The guy gives her something, he says, you got your name on it, very exciting. And I've noticed this before where people just drop in very exciting as though something's exciting about having your name on something. And I just realized that that little term very exciting is like a deal breaker for me. And if somebody says that out of the blue, what's not exciting, it's like that's a great question. It's exactly in that same category. It's not exciting. And it's certainly not very exciting.

30:32 Exactly. Now the other one that bugs me is the no one and tell me who's pick up in this clip what it is that might gall me about what they're talking about. This is just a vitamin commercial. I take an omega from my heart. But to be honest, I find the omega choice is overwhelming. Which one is right for me? Then I found NuPro Nutrients Omega-3. It's from Centrum, a name I trust. It goes beyond my heart to support my brain and eyes too. And these ultra-concentrated mini gels are much smaller than many others. It's part of a whole new line of supplements. There's probiotic and fruit and veggie too. NuPro Nutrients from Centrum helps make nutrition possible. Yeah, that would be the veggies. Veggies?

31:17 Bill and it's like a gel. It's a gel cap. What is fruit? What is she talking about? Sir veggies in the cap or what's veggies? I know you know what I think about the word veggie. Yeah, it's veggie gel I hate that word Veggie, that's a veggie. It's like you're 12. I so agree. I heard that at a restaurant the other day. I can't remember where it was. And I was all ready to launch into the guy. I'm just like, and I looked at Mickey and she gave me the eye and I'm like, give me the stink eye. Oh, yeah. Don't do it. Don't do it. Shut up. I want to have a nice dinner.

31:58 I want the guy peeing in the food in the back. So, Lucifer, this is very interesting and unfortunately I didn't have the time. If it's still relevant maybe I'll really get into it. So she was interviewed by PBS. And they really hacked up this entire interview and the full length interview is on the state.gov website. And just, you know, because I was listening to that while I was prepping last night and I'm like, wow, man, she's a real downer. You know, she's like, oh, we have to we have to make sure there's balance. I mean, it's all these code words for America. F yeah, basically.

32:39 So they really hacked up this interview and took out all the offensive bits I think on PBS and I took just one little relevant statement. Well that's the balancing act we do literally every day. You know I think one of our strongest values is our protection and advocacy for human rights and in particular our support for democracy and the recognition that although elections are not by any means the only definition of democracy, they are a kind of condition that has to be satisfied to go forward.

33:16 And so we're always looking at how we can communicate clearly what the United States stands for. We came, we saw, he died. There you go. You're doing a little editing. We want to communicate what the United States stands for. We came, we saw, he died. That wasn't actually in the interview, but I think you get my point. Yeah, well, you know, sometimes it gets boring. You have to like beef these things up. I got a little clip of a, from the new Ben Affleck, not Ben Affleck, the other guy. Matt Damon? Matt Damon's new movie, which is a summer, you know, movie. What's it called? They sell it by a house. It's actually a zoo. What's it called? I don't know. I don't really care because I'm not going to go see it. But I do have this one potential little, I do have the whole clip of him talking about it.

34:15 Well, I might as well play that first. This is an example of apparently Damon went out and said that you know Disney movies suck or something he did something It had to that Matt Lauer on the today show had to help him get dig himself out of a hole Because he figured oh my god. You know we'll never work for Disney again I might never get another acting job right and so you can see the nervousness in this clip And I and play play worried about Disney so it's the cutest kids you've ever seen and you know the most beautiful animals and and

34:51 That's it. So if it goes horribly pear-shaped for us, we'll have learned our lesson. Is it true that when you first started talking about doing this movie, you said, and I don't want this to sound derogatory, you said, I don't want it to turn out like a Disney version of this film. Nothing wrong with Disney movies. No, no, I mean, of course, nothing at all. But yeah, the over-saccharine version. You don't want things too simple and easy. Yeah, yeah. Or kind of cheesy, you know, so which is to say more of like the kind of TV movie version you know you know version of the thing pussy big pussy falling apart of course he knows what side his bed is buttered on you don't want to give that up so there's a little mini clip that I pulled that I think we can use as either an evergreen or I'm gonna start tacking it onto the end of clips which is they there's a scene from the movie where they guy

35:49 Tells Matt Damon that this house that he bought is actually a zoo and this little girl That's like I don't know she's like 10 or some goes yay, and it's just a really good yay, and I wanted to play it oh Okay, so I think this is gonna be my yay instead of the screaming yay for the next all right This is for to 2012. Just I'll make sure that I'll make sure this is queued up for the entire show. It's your your little yay. No problem. Oh So the president came out with an executive order late last night. Right there, hit it. An executive order. Late last night. And it's 2011 amendments to the manual for courts martial.

36:40 And we get the authority vested in me as president of the Constitution, of the laws, blah, blah, including chapter blah, blah, blah. In order to prescribe amendments to the Manual for Courts Martial of the United States prescribed by Executive Order 12473, which is the initial Court Martial Manual from 1984. To be amended, it is hereby ordered as follows. Section 1, parts 3 and 4 of the Manual for Courts Martial of the United States are amended as described in the annex attached and made a part of this order. So I'm like, where's the annex? And can't find it. The executive order is not even on the Federal Register website yet. So I'm looking around, I'm looking at what is going on. And it turns out he's done this exact same thing in 2010 on August 31st.

37:28 Here it was, in 30 days, same thing as this one, changes to part 2 and part 4. Part 2 is rules, part 4 is punitive articles of the court's martial manual will go into effect as described in the annex. And this annex never surfaced. And if you look around, if you Google this, it turns out that people say, hey, these are secret laws. It's not in the federal register, you can't find the annex. And I'm like, what is this about? Why is this so secret? So then I see the headline, military rules guide hearing in WikiLeaks case, which kicks off on Friday. I believe what? Oh, yeah. I believe that because, of course, Manning will be court martialed. Something has been changed.

38:14 related to specifically related to his case yes this is like typical ex post facto in other words you arrest a guy you got really maybe you got nothing on him and so you say well let's change the rules mm-hmm to to affect him which is a good which by the way is against the Constitution it's illegal to do this that's called the ex post facto law and but they're gonna do it anyway and you can kind of get away with it if the rules are secret yeah In other words, what we're gonna see is the guy's gonna get railroaded. Oh, totally. Well, we're never even gonna see the guy. That's why we need more military law in this country. We're never gonna see the guy. We won't see any video, we're not gonna see a perp walk, we're not gonna see anything. I still question if the guy exists.

39:00 Yeah, I have that up there. We've had that theory for a long time. But there would be no point in changing the military court-martialed handbook if that was the case. And so part four we know is punitive, part three is what constitutes a court-martial. And it's a very, you know, the entire manual for court martial is a long, long document. So I just tried to read the relevant part three and part four last night. I'm like, this is bogative. How can you like just change military law, it's law, and not tell us? And no one is asking. Well, the question is, would somebody must have a copy of this? And this can't be top secret. Well, the annex from 2010 has never surfaced.

39:45 It's gotta be around, someone must have seen it, it's gotta be around somewhere. Well we have a lot of military personnel listening so I'm hoping that someone might find something somewhere and can you know maybe slip me something in encrypted form because it's just... Yeah with a reasonable date on it so we can see what's being changed. Very very annoying, very annoying. So then there's all this bullying stuff which is driving me nuts. You know, so we had the nuclear regulatory commission. And by the way, the guy's probably a total dick. I mean, I'm sure he is. I'm sure he's pushing... Oh, he looks like a dick. Yeah, his head looks like a dick head. And when we hear the thing at the end, which I still think is the funniest clip, which is Labrador from Idaho going after him. It's just too funny. It's just hilarious. It's great entertainment. So, you know, but here's people who are... One of the guys ran an entire division within the Navy and he can't stand up to this douche? I mean, what are we teaching?

40:48 So now Facebook has opened up, what you'll see soon is where you can flag something as like terrorist content. Oh yeah, yeah great. Now you can flag someone if you think their posts are suicidal. And then Facebook will reach out to you? I just do that for everyone. You have to post something suicidal to me. I'm telling you, I still have a Facebook account. I'm gonna be flagging everybody as suicidal. I'm just gonna be flagging it around. This guy's suicidal, man. Hey, man. He's bringing me down. I'm just gonna be flagging everyone as a suicidal poster. So, you know, this is all part of this bullying thing and then you know just report after report and now it's like Bullying in the workplace again when Steve Jobs bullies people around he's a genius Oh, he's the Albert Einstein of our era. He's fantastic, but everyone else

41:39 I mean, he's a bully. He's my pet peeve. ...bullying when it comes to children, whether it be on the playground or on the internet. But what about adult bullies? Adult bullies! In the workplace. And if you work with one, what can you do about it? Kimberly... Shoot him! Exactly, get the judge. Talked with some experts. Kimberly. As you said, many of us have had a bully for a boss or co-worker at one point or another in our careers. Yeah, that's what it is. That's what's called a job. Yeah, it's called a job. You get bullied. Hello. They mess with you, they insult you, humiliate you, and nitpick just about everything you do. Because maybe you suck. You got to be motivated. Or maybe the guy's a dick. Yeah, impossible. Hey, if you get him while you're playing, just cue up the old noodle boy. Dude, I'm

42:23 I already have it ready! This is the next thing, this is the next one. Stress from bullying leads to health problems. Watch this. You can just see it coming. Sometimes you bully people to get them to quit. Let's get this guy out of here. He's a douche, he's no good, just bully him. It was a two year nightmare. A nightmare is how this person who wishes to remain anonymous describes the strain of working in an environment where he was constantly bullied by his supervisors. He says the abuse gave him anxiety attacks and high blood pressure. Oh, so we can get you Lipitor and we can get you uh what can we get you for? Ambien? Ambien yeah all kinds of groovy stuff don't work.

43:11 health concerns. This is a big setup. My supervisor was always interested. The guy's like blacked out and the voice is vocoded down. Oh please. He doesn't want to be a government informant against the mob. He doesn't want to be bullied even more. winning the argument and it did not matter who she was hurting in the process. He claims that while on the job he was belittled, yelled at and made the focus of gossip all while watching his co-workers who he says were less educated and less qualified be treated better. When he reported what was happening

43:47 My bosses basically looked the other way. Workplace bullying can take a number of forms from needlessly harsh criticism to being falsely accused of a mistake. What is needlessly harsh criticism? My goodness, I mean I've been a bully all my life apparently. I would say I like directness like hey that really sucks. Is that needlessly harsh? Do we have to sugarcoat everything because otherwise you're gonna cry? We're not China. Thank well in China we you know I remember I mean I've been there to lecture people about how about journalistic practices in the United States compared to China and

44:23 and in China you can't really be critical you had because everything is safe face so you can't really say anything like this product stinks. You can't say that it's impossible. Only if you're Steve Jobs and you're a genius are you allowed to say that. Steve Jobs is the exception to the rule. This is the hypocrisy of it all. This is the hypocrisy. Among other things I mean Steve Ballmer shouts at people, Bill Gates is notorious for going up to people. Here's a couple of Gates ones. Gates would go up to people, when Microsoft would buy a company, they'd always get these stories. And he said Gates would go up to people literally and look right at them and say, do we pay you for working here? Yeah, exactly. And his other one was, that's the stupidest idea I've ever heard. Sure. That's the opening of the show, by the way. Thank you. That's perfect. No, but this is what it is. I mean, and

45:19 leaders in companies have to be this way sometimes you know you may not like it well then there's different styles of management and the thing is that if you're working for one of these guys and you don't like it the apparently at Apple a lot of these people and I think it's a case with a lot of technical people especially coders they like to be badgered because they won't do anything otherwise right I mean it's just you have to treat him with disrespect or they won't They won't, some people need to be treated with disrespect or they won't perform this kind of like a, you know, crazy sex relationship some people might have. the fact is the second time you've saved yourself but okay even here you do it I'm not at couple saying that I even hear you doing on the back Horowitz I hear you for yourself yeah yeah is that if you don't perform well under these circumstances like this wimp here that is that's whining quit and get a different job or or or show it do a showdown with the guy I mean you or move to Europe or go to the EU

46:20 EU or sitting in parliament. Look at China, there's a lot of work in China. This is destroying this country, this type of, this attitude. Or work really hard, be really great, become the boss and then go bully someone else and make you feel better. It's what we do. Having your comments or opinions dismissed or not acknowledged and being held to different standards. Maybe they were dumb comments. Standards and policies and co-workers in similar positions. CMU's Dr. Denise Russo says stories of workplace bullying are common, but we've been slow to do anything about it. There are very few labor laws that really interfere with what goes on inside the workplace in terms of how people are treated within a normal range.

47:02 But I do think that doesn't absent the organization from a moral responsibility to make it, the workplace a place where people can behave cooperatively and effectively. Well that's true, of course you want your workplace to be, and if it's not, effective because of that then a good leader has to step in and change that obviously. That makes total sense. Experts say if you think you're being bullied in the workplace you need to take a stand. You should start by documenting the behavior then speak up to the harasser and if that doesn't work contact your HR department and or the harassers boss. This is where it really started these damn HR departments. Yeah I agree. This is where it all started. Here's the irony

47:48 of this entire report, in my opinion the irony. This is coming, this report is coming from a broadcasting organization. The biggest bullying companies in the universe. Totally. You're always bullied, sexually harassed. It's all about bullying. Yeah. Yeah. Let's play the noodles kid so we can see what the next generation has learned from all this. Well, like I described earlier, there are two fundamental classes that are just a plain fact in society. You either work for someone else or you work for yourself. And most people work for someone else in a way that they aren't free.

48:25 You don't really get to decide your work. For example, I work at Noodles, a restaurant, and basically it's a dictatorship there. We're told exactly what we're going to cook, how we're going to cook it, what time we're going to get there, and basically if they don't like what they're doing, they try to tell us what to do if we don't listen, they get rid of us. And so we're not able to actually cooperate in a way that we make decisions together. I try to convince my fellow employees that we should have a union at Noodles, so it's a source of power to start with. And then I think in terms of the bigger picture, when you look at revolutions, the way that you actually get rid of any sort of dictatorship is by having workers take control

49:07 of the place where they work. Would your plan, your vision for noodles? Sure. You don't own noodles together.

49:42 You don't! You don't own noodles! This guy's a communist! Well, that's what we're being taught here. Yeah, no, I think this is coming from the schools. Hey, this communism thing, does that work out? Is that proven to be... I mean, if it works out, I'm willing to try it, but I don't think it's been very successful. It hasn't worked out so far. It hasn't been very successful. This is coming from the schools. This is part of the self-esteem movement and all the other stuff that the kids are being taught, the cooperative, you know, we're not here to, you know, it's not about winning. There's no competition, we shouldn't have competition, we should be cooperating on everything. It's just a ridiculous perspective of... it's a do-nothing concept to be honest about it. Yeah. Yeah, it's... If you get nothing done, what is this kid talking about? He doesn't know how to run a noodle company. Why don't you start one if you're so good? Go get some VC money, jerk-off. The kid's an idiot. I mean, he's annoying. It's like ridiculous. I'd fire him if I heard this, you're out. Yeah, you're done, you're gone. Yeah.

50:40 You know in in Europe you can't even fire people you know the in Europe the bullying is much worse And then we'll get off this topic because you can't fire someone You can't you there has to be the only reason you're in like in Holland in the lowlands You can only fire someone if the if you can prove the company is in financial distress And in Germany, I think Americans realize these onerous European laws which are helping bring down the EU. But in Germany they have a period of time once a year I believe, it may have changed, but last time I heard there was one period like two weeks out of the year you can fire the... Oh really? I'm not familiar with this. That's called happy hour. Happy hour is what we call that. Yeah, here it comes. Here's the two weeks. Okay. And then once you get past the two weeks you're good to go. You're good for a year.

51:30 Might not even be two weeks, it might be a couple of days. One of our German listeners will straighten this out. So as listening to that Dvorak Horowitz unplugged show you guys do. Yeah, and great show dhm plug calm. Yeah, unfortunately you guys have no idea what you're talking about. That's the sad thing That's a problem, but it's still good. So let me tell you so the price of gold is Running this way. This is about gold. Well, you guys talked about it. It's running back down to 1500 it may even go below that but let me tell you what's happening. This is this is a and this is just John against Adam because I totally, I'm holding, I'm long, but I'm not, I don't have gold as an investment to go sell later on. When everything falls down and we have the new world currency, then I'll go exchange my gold for it and my gold will be worth three, four, five thousand dollars old money.

52:20 What's happening now is the banks are so freaked out They are liquidating everything so everyone is selling gold because they need money because the money there's just no money It's over and then once this is done you watch the price run up like crazy I was looking at for the lowlands listeners a BN amro The Greek government Or actually the Greek transportation companies owe them about 1.2 billion euros, which they're never going to get. IMF has already given ABN AMRO 180 million euros. The IMF didn't even go into the Greek bank. They just gave it to ABN AMRO. And where'd that IMF money come from? Hello, stupid slaves, from your taxes.

53:13 We're just paying off bankers now, directly. Not even going to the Greek Central Bank. So there was that and then you asked a very good question about this whole MF Global thing, which by the way is being completely censored in the media. This is John Corzine, former Goldman Sachs CEO who left Goldman Sachs with $400 million in cash uh... who subsequently subsequently became a bundler for president obama uh... in fact let's say i go back uh... when the john kors on was running for governor of new jersey i think the most in two thousand nine two thousand ten maybe two thousand nine uh... here is consult the book of knowledge once you do that here is president obama talking about john kors on the man who

54:05 as CEO of MF Global is directly responsible for over a billion dollars of his clients money gone missing and just missing and and and my question is why is this man smiling have you seen it well because so he's got a shitty he doesn't give a crap cuz isn't that gonna go to they're not even C-SPAN is pulling this off C-SPAN is interrupting their programming on this on C-SPAN 3 which most people don't have the hearing it's a it's a it's a senate hearing and they just they just like oh we're gonna go to something else now something else you know I don't know something much more important so here's President Obama endorsing John Corzine for governor.

54:52 an honorable man at the helm in this state. Honorable! During one of the most difficult periods in its history. Woo! Woot! Now listen how crazy Obama gets about this guy because he is the head of the Goldman Sachs empire. He is the money man. He is the actual guy whose ass Obama has to lick. You've had a leader who's put the interests of hard-working New Jersey families ahead of the special interests. Uh-huh. He was one of the best colleagues I had. in the Senate, but he's also one of the best partners I have in the White House. Oh, you mean the thief is a good partner, great! We work together. We work together. To steal!

55:36 When we were putting together the Recovery Act, we worked together to figure out how can we put people back to work as quickly as possible. One of the things you've got in John Corzine is somebody who tells it to you straight. Your voice will get John Corzine four more years as governor of New Jersey, and he and I will partner with you to make sure that every child gets a good education, everybody has healthcare. Listen, his voice is cracking, he's out of control. Everybody has a job that pays a living wage. That's what we're fighting for. I need you to work, so I'm gonna ask you, Camden, are you f- Ready to go! Ready to go! Ready to go! Let's get to work. Thank you everybody, God bless. He's totally freaking out. I need you to do this! Wow! I need you to do this!

56:39 So that's John Corzine, very important man to the president. Now John, could you just briefly explain what is the controversy here with MF Global? What is the problem? Well, the problem is the major is that it's the biggest, the biggest blunder, or not blunder, but the most criminal thing you can do. When you're running any of these investment companies, you have your working funds and you have customer funds. And the customer funds, so in other words, so if you're like, for example, Lehman Brothers, and you go out of business, your customer funds sit there and they get re-given back to the customers because they're investing using you as just a vehicle and so you take their money and invest in some companies and they now own that stock. Sometimes you have the street ownership or whatever but the thing is that you have, you

57:26 Your money safe and the company goes broke you get your money back you you cannot by law under any circumstances And by the way, we're Sarbanes-Oxley and all yes stay with me. That's what I'm gonna answer for you stay with me so you cannot start mixing or intermingling customer money with your personal you know your corporate money that you're investing or the profits or whatever you're doing it's not one big pot of money and It's like you have customer money that if something bad happens to the company, the customers get their money back and you're broke. Now it can be held in collateral for instance, you know, you may not be able to get it back immediately if you're a customer, but the money is going to be there and you can see it and you know where it is, right?

58:10 You should be able to get it back immediately, but you have to be able to get it back. It cannot disappear. This billion dollars of customer money disappeared, taking away, it's just an amazing, I mean, it's astonishing that this happened. A lot of people think this is bigger than Lehman Brothers. So here is Senator Stabenow, who's a Democrat, I like her a lot, and she's running the whole show, and she has a very simple question, edited for your convenience. I mean, how do you answer that? Where is the money from funds that were supposed to be kept separate? Customer money. Mr. Seenkamp is CFO. Where's the money? Senator, unfortunately I do not know where the money is. Mr. Corzine, where's the money?

59:05 enormous numbers of transactions were taking place in those very final days. I tried to put that in my statement. About the 38,000 customers, the many countries, and those need to be parsed through to arrive at an answer. Avril, for you as well, where is the money? We're looking at the top three people in the company who are responsible for the overall internal controls of this company and so Mr. Avlo, where's the money? Senator, as I said in my statement, I do not know where the money is. So here's the top three guys in the company.

59:48 I don't know where the money is. I mean, it's like you got caught with where the cookies in the cookie jar I don't know where they went and you're right and Corzine is just smiling. He's all like contrite as the CFO There's the CEO the COO. I don't know where the money is. It's so many transactions Well, let's talk about those transactions. Listen to Corzine waffle. Senator as I said in my opening remarks, I never directed anyone at MF Global to misuse Customer funds now that is a very shaky statement and words matter in this case I never directed anyone to misuse funds You know you could have told them to steal the funds and then you wouldn't be lying technically under oaths I never intended to never intended to but I might have done it and as far as I'm concerned I

1:00:38 and never gave instructions that anybody could misconstrue. As far as I'm concerned, I never gave instructions that anyone could misconstrue. So in other words, he could have given him instructions to steal the money. Yes. Now you ask very correctly. What about Sarbanes-Oxley? Isn't that supposed to these tough regulations that word that came in which essentially ruined the IPO market for years is now finally coming around but really ruined A lot of the financial sector covertly, I'd almost say. So what about these Sarbanes-Oxley? By the way, John Corzine, co-author of Sarbanes-Oxley. Did you know that? You got me. Co-author. He wrote the rules. If you write the rules, maybe you know how to get around them. First, Mr. Corzine and Mr. Steenkamp, on May 20th,

1:01:35 2011. You both signed certificates required by Sarbanes-Oxley legislation assuring that MF Global's internal controls were over financial reporting were accurate. And I have copies of that. And I'm wondering, given what you know today and the $1.2 billion potentially in customer funds that are missing, would you sign this document again, Mr. Corzine? So very interesting here. Apparently Sarbanes-Oxley, all it requires is for you to just say, yeah, it looks good. I mean, that's what it is. All they have to do is sign a statement that says, yeah, everything looks good. The controls look good. I guess we're all good to go. Is that all it requires? Is that what the big hoopla was about? Or is that how you get to interpret the law if you're the co-author of it? Thief! Thief! Now, listen to his answer.

1:02:31 Senator, given what we know today, you wouldn't sign that document because you would not have had the assurances of the people, the systems, the procedures verified by all of those that were responsible for internal confirmation that the data was accurate and clearly, as has been repeated, there is certainly some amount, 1.2 or 600 million different numbers of dollars that are unreconciled with regard to segregation accounts. The guy is a thief. Well, somebody's a thief. There's a million dollars missing. This doesn't go missing. But it doesn't seem like anyone really cares.

1:03:28 No one can, I mean so this could easily happen to your 401k account. It could happen anyway. And I think it's gonna. I think this is, this may be happening all over the place. You know if, if, if sovereign nations are not afraid to dip into your pensions, why wouldn't the banks? Look, look there's a billion dollars over there. What is that bill we have to pay? A billion dollars. Oh and I just use that for a little while. Don't worry I'll put it back. No one will know. Yeah that's the thinking. That's why you're not supposed to mix these funds because that temptation is too, you know, you get, you know, you want to balance your books a little bit. Let's take some of the customer money, even though it's somebody else's money and I'm borrowing it from them without asking and I'm going to use, oh, I lost it. Oh, now what am I going to do? Well, let me just borrow some more of that customer money. Who's going to know? Because I can't make the same mistake twice. Never going to happen. I'm too good at this because I'm an expert.

1:04:18 Let's take a bunch of money, we'll double it. Let's put in some crazy inv- Oh no! He lost us more money. I mean, there's no money left by the time, because these guys are obviously boneheads. He's not just an expert, he's the president's bestest buddy. So he's got nothing to worry about. Nothing's gonna happen. Well, I hope you burn in hell, Corzine. It's really- No, seriously. He's part of Sarbanes-Oxley. I hate him even more. Yeah, he co-authored it. And if you call, yeah, he knows all the, that's why he's so contrite and so, I don't, I have nothing, nothing to hide, nothing to worry about. I don't know where the money is. I don't know. And you know, it's a complicated business. It's just unbelievable to me. Just really, well, let's get this straight. He's an alleged thief. No, no. So no. Okay. Well,

1:05:13 Wait, like anyone is listening to this is gonna see me. I just say like anyone in the world. Well, um hearing will come to order. What is Curry saying there? Maybe we get the billion dollars out of him. Come on, come and get it bitches. So the uh... He's got gold. Bags, yeah right. It's abhorrent I tell you. So uh... We have a, we're staying on the EU's topic of conversation. Yeah, good idea. I have a Farage clip by the way, there's another... Well I have a short piece of a Farage clip, but you probably have the long one. But I was watching CCTV, whatever it is, this Chinese news network.

1:05:54 this is one of my I watch this when I saw Chinese news so the China here's the Chinese rundown of the EU troubles kind of in a nutshell package by the Chinese and and then there's a kind of a ferret comes out talking about being in the lifeboat and then the Chinese news anchor finishes the clip by blowing up the metaphor into not a lifeboat but an iceberg or something just it's kind of funny at the end right but the But the whole clip is kind of an interesting summary from a chain. perspective. On Friday British Prime Minister David Cameron left his country alone in the 27 nation European Union at a summit in Brussels to try and stop the eurozone debt crisis he vetoed plans for a fiscal treaty which would impose closer control over national government budgets. The plan is going ahead regardless. European Council President Herman Van Rompuy says the pact to enforce greater fiscal discipline will be finalized in March.

1:06:56 Following consultations with national parliaments, we should know the number of participating states. I'm optimistic because I know that it's going to be very close to 27. In fact, 26 leaders indicated their interest in this effort. They recognized the euro is a common good. On Monday, David Cameron defended his decision. Britain's anti-European UKIP party has a seat in the European Parliament and its outspoken leader, Nigel Farage, went a step further. Well, you've decided to head off on the Titanic towards economic

1:07:34 and democratic disaster. And we're now in a lifeboat. The new fiscal pact will be extremely demanding for some countries. It'll require national budgets to be balanced with annual deficits limited to 0.5 percent of GDP. It's hoped the first draft of the new fiscal treaty could be ready by next week. The European Union aims to have it in place by June. Yeah. What makes you wonder whether Europe's the Titanic and Britain the iceberg or the other way around? Yeah, so that's the essence of the Nigel Farage clip. That's the essence of it. It's kind of funny because he gets a blue card, blue card, blue card from the, you know, in those eight holes. What's a blue card? That means you can intervene and ask a question.

1:08:16 And then but all these like Schultz and all they're like they're laughing like maniacs like I know Every time I watch the European Union, whatever is what is that? The what is that Parliament body that he's in? Whatever the tower whatever it is Yeah It's like they have the camera on ferrage moaning about something and then they show all these other guys his stooges from all these other countries laughing Oh the guys an idiot. Yeah Yeah, like it's so and even when the the chairman whatever his name is the white haired rock hole No, no, no, no. Who? I forget the guy's name. When he calls on Nigel Farage, he's always like, it's time for the joke of the day. Time for the clown. That's right. Bring him on. Everyone's sitting down because we're going to have a little joke here. Get your recorders ready. This will be on YouTube. You know it will. It's great. Here we go. Make sure your makeup's ready.

1:09:14 So, um, there was another, uh... The Distraction of the Week. Hey! No! On the Woods' Gender. Look over there. So, oh, oh, the news. Everybody's talking about the National Transportation Safety Board's recommendations. You can't use cell phones in your cars. It's crazy. You can't even use Bluetooth. I'm like, my goodness, where is this coming from? Well, there must be... Think this is completely a commercial for Ford and their sync product because that's that's the ones highlighted the most on star of course is the bigger company that has Everything integrated because what they're saying and actually you know unlike those people that what are they called a journalist I actually went to the recommendations to look it up and

1:10:06 And so if you saw any of this hoopla going on, here is the actual language, which says nothing about Bluetooth or anything like that. They made all that up. To the CTIA, the Wireless Association and Consumer Electronics Association, the NTSB recommends, encourage the development of technology features that disable the functions of portable electronic devices within reach of the driver when a vehicle is in motion. These technology features should include the ability to permit emergency use of the device while the vehicle is in motion and have the capability of, and this is key, identifying occupant seating position as not to interfere with the use of device by passengers.

1:10:44 Now, this doesn't say at all that you can't use your Bluetooth, but immediately the reports were, well, you know, you have to get an in-car device and on the speakerphone, you can't use your Bluetooth. And by the way, we kind of want you to be connected so we can talk to you. And if there's an accident, it'll be really good because we can track you. This is, as far as I'm concerned, Watch Ford's product line and I see the Ford advertising on all of the news stations With their sync product and they do entire packages about how important Ford sync is so this got really played up. I haven't been able to trace How this little line got to you can't use Bluetooth headpieces because that's the report anyone luckily

1:11:34 The absurdity of it all was put into context by presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul. The federal government have a role in recommending when you can use your cell phone while driving. No, no way. I looked at Article 1, Section 8. They don't even say anything about telephones there. So, no, they shouldn't be doing that. That is really nitpicking away and if some state decides that you shouldn't do it, they certainly have the authority to do that. But what if I came up with a statistic and I could prove that eating in a car causes more accidents than using your cell phone?

1:12:12 uh... i think it's on and on reckless driving people cause accidents they're liable and responsible and should be punished for this but this idea that uh... the federal government's gonna write a rule about when we're going to use cell phones and then uh... force them maybe to buy a certain type cell phone and put it in your car that's more government than we need and that one of the reasons why we're in such a mess. Ron Paul nails it The government's gonna force you to buy OnStar and maybe it is. Heaven forbid that Ron Paul got to be the president. And of course we saw this last week, as one of our producers sent us a note showing that now they're double teaming him on the Fox network. Which normally is kind of odd but in this case is not okay. Well I have two short clips because now they've changed direction.

1:13:02 So now that the news media, which is so obvious, first of all Democrats run Fox, you'll see that in a second, you'll hear that in a second. They don't know what to do with Ron Paul because he's going to win Iowa. He's going to win Iowa because he has an an army, he's got... Oh yeah, there's always some other reason. Yeah, it's not because people like his ideas, but you know, his supporters are so fanatical. So now the meme is, he will win Iowa, but it means nothing. That's the meme. I love it. So here's Rachel Madcow first. Not going to win Iowa. Right now, the polls say that the guy who's going to win instead is not Mitt Romney, it's old Dr. Paul.

1:13:40 AGEIST old Dr. Paul, ageist bitch. Which is amazing, right? I mean that would change everything. Why don't we say, I didn't say lesbian Rachel Maddow, I didn't say that, why do we have to say old Dr. Paul? I dislike that. It is not Mitt Romney, it's old Dr. Paul. Which is amazing, right? I mean that would change it. By the way, this woman, you know, being the big liberal that she is and the politically, you know, politically correct type person, to say that is absolutely disgusting. The woman should be ashamed of herself. Exactly. And as I said, I didn't say here's the lesbian Rachel Maddow. There's no reason to do that. Here's Rachel Maddow. I said Matt Cower, made fun of her name, but that's good.

1:14:20 But yeah, to say the old Dr. Paul, it's ageist and it's wrong and it has no place in a news organization. Oh, I'm sorry, it's MSNBC. It is not Mitt Romney, it's old Dr. Paul, which is amazing, right? I mean, that would change everything in Republican politics. That would change everything in the 2012 race this year. If Ron Paul won Iowa, right? That would change everything, wouldn't it? No, no, it wouldn't. Remember which Republican won Iowa in 2008? That was this guy, self-help weight loss guru, Fox News personality, and the guy who is hosting the latest anti-abortion jubilee for the Republican candidates in Iowa tonight, Mike Huckabee. So her take on the angle, on the marching orders and talking points she's been given from her Uberlords is discredit the guy by showing that no one who ever won Iowa has ever won the president.

1:15:11 has ever become president. That is now what she's saying and all the other news networks are doing it as well. Fox, run by Democrats, did it a little differently with Chris Wallace, a respected journalist. If Ron Paul wins here, what then? The Ron Paul people are not going to like my saying this, but to a certain degree it will discredit the Iowa caucuses because... Then it's just no good. If he wins then it just discredits it. It's unbelievable! Then the caucus is just no good. It just sucks.

1:16:01 Well, as one of our producers sent us, they noticed that Sean Hannity teamed up with Bill Bennett on his show to trash Ron Paul. He had to have two now. And then also O'Reilly teamed up with what that consultant Dick Morris to trash Ron Paul in much the same way. and it's just like they are totally freaked out about this guy. Because they have no control over it. Because this is not... He's not part of the system, he's not part of the mechanism. Exactly, they have no control over him. Whoever it is that's calling the shots at MSNBC and Fox, disgusting. You know, the funny thing is I also listen to the radio talkers and

1:16:43 And the guy who's completely off the wall... They're called disc jockeys. Radio talkers? You mean disc jockeys? Well, they should be disc jockeys. So, you know, we already know that Rush Limbaugh hates Ron Paul, but he does it in kind of his kind way. He hasn't got a chance. He doesn't get on his case too much. But the guy who does is this, the world, the great one that Hannity calls him. He calls himself the great one. Mark Levin! That's what he sounds like. He screams all the time. Mark Levin, the great Y.I.! And so Mark Levin goes on, Ron Paul's an idiot! He says, gee, what's his... I disagree. His foreign policy goes on and on and on about this and then he spends a good segment I had to actually turn it off and go to NPR because I couldn't take it. He's going on and on about how great the Patriot Act is. It's great, it's the greatest thing ever and somebody would call in and say the Patriot Act is a piece of shit and he said, why? What's specifically about it? And he badgered them or bully in the sense of the meme. Anyway these guys

1:17:48 are running scared. But I hope the public Actually, Buzzkill Jr. Are you eating? No. Buzzkill Jr. As he puts down his fork. Yeah, okay. Buzzkill Jr. is getting, and I think other people are doing this, getting their friends to register as Republicans and vote for Ron Paul. He's a fanatic, Buzzkill Jr. He's part of the army. He's a kook. He's a kook. Send him to the FEMA camp. So Ron Paul is gonna just, I don't know, I mean this is getting to be funnier by the minute but to watch these people panic over the guy and nobody even gives him any credit for anything is...

1:18:32 I find that all of his ideas are very refreshing. Yes! I saw Andrew Sullivan who's... Yeah, Sullivan came out for him. And he said, you know, well I disagree with all his kooky ideas but he's still the best. My kooky ideas! Yeah, ending the Fed which by the way he has not said end the Fed. He said, you know, we have to audit them, we have to rein in, we have to have oversight. He said you can't just... even Ron Paul is not stupid. He said you can't just remove him but this is... people just say he's kooky! Just kooky. And old. And old. Old Ron Paul. Old Dr. Paul. He's just kooky. Old Dr. Paul. Old Dr. Paul.

1:19:10 So this was a very interesting little tidbit that came. This is it's time for a little bit of a... The science is in! Science! Science! So you were the first one that alerted the No Agenda family to what you call the Berkeley Hummer. Let's take a listen to one of your clips from back then. This of course is taken from the show notes at nashownotes.com and here we go. Among many other things, she joined the Times from the Wall Street Journal in 1997. Jill Abramson, congratulations and welcome. Thank you so much, Jim. First, just on the personal level, what does it mean to you to become the executive editor of the New York Times?

1:19:57 It means the world to me. I grew up here in Manhattan and the New York Times was worshipped in my family and what the Times said was true was the truth. And so I became an avid reader of the paper as a young school kid. So this actually makes my penis invert when I hear that. So you call the... Well, um, I'm not sure. So this has a technical term. It's called vocal fry.

1:20:36 Yeah, I ran into this article too. I wish to go because people send it in say hey there is such a thing as a technical hummer. Yeah vocal fry or glottalization is a low staccato vibration during speech produced by a low fluttering of the vocal cords. Yeah. And it says listen here click on the link for listen here. Vocal fry is the lowest of the voice registers. If you let your voice slide down the scale to the lowest pitches you can hear the creak. It sounds like this. Since the 1960s, vocal fry has been recognized as the lowest of the three vocal registers, which also includes falsetto and modal and the usual speaking register. Speakers creak differently according to their gender, although whether it is more common males or females varies among languages. In American English, anecdotal reports suggest that the behavior is much more common in women. Duh! Historically, continued use of vocal fry was classified as part of a voice disorder

1:21:41 It was believed to lead to vocal cord damage however in recent years researchers have noted Occasional use of the creek and speakers with normal voice quality it turns out. It is a part of being part of a group of Researchers plan to test students in high schools and middle schools to learn why... So mill you! Well listen, why young women creak when they speak. Quote, young students tend to use it when they get together. Maybe this is a social link between members of a group. It's like dolphins, John. It's like, you know, they... Yeah! So if you want to be a member of the group, you got to talk like that. You have to go down into your vocal fry.

1:22:21 Otherwise you're not part of it. So if you want to be successful in journalism if you talk to anyone you have to a little more into the low register like You know the kind of the stereotypical gay banter, you know that that voice that you hear that you saw those guys gay because he Because he hangs out with you know, a lot of girlfriend. I don't think so, honey like that. I Well, it's more exaggerated if you wanted to have fun with it. So... Well, I was trying to be true to what it is.

1:22:57 Yeah, well the things milieus will create, it's like the bird studies that were done in the Berkeley area, interestingly enough. They studied a bunch of sparrows for years and they found that sparrows, even though they just sound like they're chirping all the time, they actually have a distinctive chirp based on the milieu of the bird. And so if you take a bird from like somewhere in the North Bay and you bring him into Berkeley and throw him in with Berkeley sparrows, they roused him because he doesn't have the chirp pattern they're looking for. And this again a milieu theory where you have people within a group. It's like when I was working for the air pollution district and hanging out with a bunch of cops, I was picking up cop body language and where I was being perceived as a policeman which was

1:23:46 amusing when you went to a bar but anyway the this Berkeley sound I want to credit my wife for spotting it because she spotted about 15 years ago and I wrote a column in the Examiner about it called the Berkeley Hummer and which didn't get any play at all. Is that article still available somewhere? Well, the examiner was bought by the Chronicle and I don't know, I probably have a copy somewhere. I should probably find it and reprint. Berkeley Hummer, John C. DeVore, you know what I'm doing here. I'll have to find it on this computer and then reprint it on the blog. But it's an old, old column and I've always used it because every time I hear a Berkeley Hummer I go, oh my god, another one.

1:24:33 I see a lot of them. Until I read this article I didn't realize it was a worldwide phenomenon. It's like Valley Girl talk, that's another one where you have that... Totally. Totally. Totally. It's cool, I interviewed a guy for the big book show, he did the Holiday Book of Awesome. And we had this interesting conversation about the word awesome. He says, yeah, everyone uses the word awesome for everything. It's not awesome. Nothing is awesome. But his whole book is about how finding that first bottle of eggnog in the supermarket shelf, that's awesome. So he kind of takes it the other direction. But that's another one of those words, another one of those themes. Like it's awesome. It's so awesome. And I got to watch it because Mickey sometimes says that and I'm like,

1:25:21 Really, how awesome is it? Exit, backslash, no agenda mode, stop, do not do that. Bad for sex life, do not do this. Bad for robot, bad for robot. Very bad for robot. But what's disconcerting is that there may be more to this and we have to keep our eye on it. They've done some research. Apparently popular music stations feature creaky announcers Where vocal fry does not appear on national public radio, so it may be some kind of thing that appeals You know deep in the DNA of young people, so I think you should start all start talking to my daughter say hey How you doing and see if she listens better? You should try it with JC and J. She's like hey, maybe you should clean up your room You can't even do it

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1:27:01 Says newbies. So let's see who we have for our helpers. Fairfax, Virginia, Ryan Couture. Like Santa's helpers? What is that? Helpers. Our helpers. They're helping us. They're supporting the show. They're helping us pay the bills. Ryan Couture. I wonder if he's related to Paul. In the morning, long time listener, second time donor. Oh he's a second time, how come he came up in green? It's been over a year since, oh well that's probably the reason. It's been over a year since my first donation so I figured it was time to be a donor, not a boner and contribute. I'd be listening to the show as I begin my housing search and get Monation Big Sky, which means he must be in Montana. And I can use a little karma that the search relocation the new job goes smoothly my initial search turned up a house with the address 3 3 3 3 and I took it as a sign and maybe one of the that the price is right. Alright. Karma shot. You've got karma. Perfect. And he gave us $124.07. Hold on, hold on. That's the most uninteresting number ever.

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1:28:37 Synagogues which got him crucified the biblical version of Tudor they had an interesting I by the way I read this the other day, and I used this I was at a couple Christmas parties yesterday. I used this line about Jesus going after the bankers mm-hmm huge laughs it gets laughs It's a good way it gets laughs. Yeah, so Tom Shank should should get laughs Sorry car max what he wanted You've got karma. I'll remember to use that at the cocktail party tonight. Hey! Try it! Hey, you know, after Jesus went after the bankers, they nailed his ass to a cross!

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1:30:00 See, when I do something, money comes rolling in, baby. You got one guy to come in. Yeah. Yeah. Good work. Maybe I'm easily pleased. But Adam's mastery of the slide projector proved endless amusement. I agree completely with the both of you regarding the legal enforcement of political correctness beginning with bullying but never ending. Do either of you feel as I do that we need to enforce the current laws that we have even in schools? That means if a 17 year old punches a 16 year old in the nose for looking at his girlfriend that he gets arrested for assault? I just think it would be a consistent stand. I don't think that either of you believe in a Lord of the Flies school. What?

1:30:37 I digress. You can't assault and battery, there's laws against that. That's what I was saying, yeah. Yeah, so of course we agree that that- Do we get Dr. Nenninger's natural- No, Buzzkill is too busy practicing his humming. He fell asleep. He's in front of the mirror. Maybe I can do this and it won't look so obvious. Dr. Nenninger. So, okay. My spreadsheet has just gone crazy. Okay, here we go. Ray Jacobson in Ashland, Virginia, $74.95. This is my refund from my canceled Glenn Beck subscription. It took three calls to customer service to get this back. They automatically renewed me even though I turned off auto renew.

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1:38:42 Yeah, there is again in the morning, John. I'd like to credit, I think, oh he's got one for Rhino the Bearded Knighthood Celebration and Continued Education. Well, let us know if you really wanted to do two because sometimes... No, he did. No, he did. I'm pretty sure he did. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did. That's the kind of guy he is. Here's a karma for Rhino the Bearded or the Beardless these days. You've got karma. Yeah. And finally, normally the $49.99s we don't put, they're there for anonymous, but This anonymous person wanted to uh... I just started the family. ...grown stories in the news lately. I'm submitting my first donation. I've only been a listener for a few weeks. Probably do not fit the profile of your standard audience, but safe to say the whole family now seems to enjoy your... you do fit that profile.

1:39:25 They go the whole family enjoys it while listening in the kitchen when I first started listening I didn't understand the whole douchebag karma drone thing I can say the drone thing I'm getting now and the douchebag karma thing are almost not so annoying anymore Less commentary on women's appearances would be appreciated We get in Adams gonna explain why we do that. She's probably a girl and she's probably very hot. That's why I I really don't care who is hot and who has a big ass. I can understand your interest as well as your male audience. Wine and food rock by the way. Anyway, great commentary and lighthearted approach to the impending doom. You're almost up there now with Colbert and my must-have laughs to get me through the insanity. Thanks a million.

1:40:08 Well let me just say, again, once in a while I fall off the wagon, but in general we're only talking as TV executives who have been in the business for three to four decades. And really doing it as a virtual TV executive and a consultant, that is what we're doing. Now that said, I will mention the, oh, well go on, I'll think of the quote in a minute. No, I want to know. I had a quote. You had a quote? Oh yeah, Oliver Wilde. Sorry, an Oliver Wilde quote comes to mind which is that only a fool doesn't judge a person by their appearance. And so there's some elements of that, you know, when you see somebody, there's certain things you'd like to take a... Google the executive, the CEO of Exxon and then tell me what you think. That's a classic. But we do it because we're pretending to be

1:41:05 broadcasting executives trying to cast shows and so do we get various and most of these people are extremely they're extreme with their opinions about women's appearances and mints yeah they're there to the bullying degree to a total bullying degree and that's all Well, you're cracking up the meaning the unattractive so all I'm doing is following orders I see something I got to say something So I want to thank everybody on this list and hope that you can help us by going to DeVore org slash nhl DeVore comm slash a no agenda nation.com hit the donate button also

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1:42:30 Why doesn't have no agenda on it Eric that's lame well he can get a rubber stamp and stamp it on yeah or just with a crayon or something I think a manifesto I think is we need a manifesto book so all of our listeners can do their own manifestos. Comes with free music. That'll go great when they when they when they come to get you they grab a book. It comes with free brand new Facebook profile Really, okay. Well, whatever I've got a first of all a special Karma shout out to a Mr. Oil who just got married by the way Send pictures oil one is we want to see your girl and he's trying to get home for the holidays himself And he's really bummed that he's missing her so on Mr. Oil of course a longtime supporter of the show definitely gets a little karma there You've got karma

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1:44:07 The great white knight, Sir Chasin' Rodzilski. Well, we're totally gonna douchebag whoever was responsible for that. That was me, I was responsible, you douchebagged me. I think you might have been responsible, John. Well, he got a 69-69. Yeah, I was. We looked into this at the headquarters. An investigative team was put on it. And they found out that I had read the wrong, it was two shows ago by the way, it was on 63. I had read, I looked at, I jumped the names and I read the wrong, I attributed him for some unknown reason to this complaint. The unknown drunkard.

1:44:45 So the drunk complained and luckily the drunk never noticed. The drunk is like, wow, I wonder who wrote that? I'm the son of Sam. That sounds familiar. That's weird, he has the same friends I do. Tom Scheck congratulates himself, his birthday is today along with Paul Owls, that's Paul the book guy, also celebrating his birthday today on the 15th. Ray Jacobson wants to say happy birthday to his niece Katie, she turns 19 today. And Christian Wallenberg congratulates his girlfriend, Caro. She turns 29. Happy birthday from all your buddies here from the Red Book Prediction and No Agenda Show. It's your birthday, yeah! And remember, we need your support. Dvorak.org slash N-A. Trying to appeal to the younger demographic by humming Dvorak.org slash N-A.

1:45:51 It makes everyone sound like Kissinger. So Haiti in the news. Oh, yeah, as good as we're heating it up the holiday. I guess, you know, they've been building the Marriott Hotel there and everything. There's still, you know, 700,000 people swimming in their own poop. But luckily, Kim Kardashian visits Haiti for charity. She's reportedly on a charity mission to help those in need. The star is in the country with Maria Bello's charity We Advance, which aims to advance the health, safety and well-being of women throughout Haiti. The organization works in some of the poorest slums in Haiti, including Wharf, Jeremie and Cite Soleil. She connected with Maria Bello and is there with Maria's foundation, also with her mom, that publicity whore. This is all in People magazine, of course.

1:46:37 Now you know that her father instilled in her and her siblings every little bit counts. She's always tried to do as much as she can, whether privately or publicly, which of course is much better for ratings of the show. Thank you very much, Kim and Chris. And Oprah, also making a charity trip to Haiti. She's been in Haiti this week visiting some of the efforts being made to help the earthquake ravaged country as the second anniversary of the disaster approaches and the money still is not there, all stolen by the Clinton Foundation. The talk show queen visited refugees with Sean Penn on Monday saying, This is the part of the next chapter. Going around the world to see interesting and fascinating cases of profound examples of what can be done to make a difference in the world. Of course, she dined with Haitian President Michael, sweet Mickey Martelli during her trip and visited several charity ventures, including Caribbean Craft, a business that was established through a loan scheme launched by Bill Clinton where they make baskets. Yeah, we want to put those put those little Haitians to work weaving baskets.

1:47:34 Quote from Oprah everybody knows and we spend time in Haiti knows how important it is for the world to see what's going on here We really appreciate what yeah important basket weaving a basket weaving very very important Marriott Hotel brand-new hotel on Clinton Boulevard there and Bill and Lucifer will be sharing the top floor of suites The bill can't get it up anymore, but Lucifer will be there with Huma and After the baby's born and it's a great thing so congratulations on screwing that country out of their money out of their homes and now all the celebrities are there to go and celebrate all the great work that we've done makes you want to puke just makes you want to puke most people feel good about it so I'm looking at the New York Times oh is there now question for you

1:48:21 I believe... Well, no. Here's the question. Is there anything about Syria in it? Oh. No. Okay, I just got it, so I'm gonna have to open... Nope, nope, nope. Why don't you take a look because I have... There's only the front section. Well, I have a little clippy. Hold on, hold on. Let me go. I have a little clippy here. I'm not seeing anything and I'm on page 13. We got the zombie here. It's on page 13. Syrian Army defectors ambush soldiers. Below the fold, page 13. So it's very obvious. Now what were you saying again that we did a deal with Exxon?

1:48:59 With the Russians? No, Russia's... Putin did a deal with Exxon and it had something to do with Syria. And Syria was part of the deal somehow. Well, it's... when you listen to this quote from... now this is Dick Cheney the zombie. And he is a zombie because he has no heartbeat. He has a pump to keep it moving. Yeah. And he looks like a zombie which makes it even more obvious. Yeah, absolutely. So first Aaron Burnett asks him about the drone where he is answer there's a bomb I should have gone in Whack the drone out and then she immediately comes in because this is you know Iran and then straight into Syria and From Cheney's answer. There is no way we are going into Syria. They're gonna respond by

1:49:45 Not giving it back to us. I would assume that's the case or they'll send it back in pieces after they've gotten all of the intelligence They can out of it the right response to that would have been to go in immediately after to gone down and destroy it You can do that from the air you could do that with a quick airstrike. I could do that with my zombie forces and in effect Make it impossible for them to benefit from having captured captured that drone I was told that the president had three options on his desk He rejected all of them and they all involved they all involved sending somebody in You know to try to recover it or if you can't do that and admittedly that would be a difficult operation You certainly could have gone in and destroyed it on the ground with an airstrike. Yeah, just another drone to go kill the drone That's exactly what we do

1:50:34 But he didn't take any of the options. He asked nicely for them to return it and They aren't going to do that Should the United States now be intervening in Syria? Well I I think Bashir Assad is a bad actor without question. You know, that's why we didn't cast him originally. He's so bad that he can't remember his lines. Everybody's a bad actor. We don't need it. Bad actor. I think what we ought to do is try to support the efforts that are underway by the Arab League. And one of the intriguing developments there has been that a lot of the nations in the region have turned on Assad. So the Saudis, as well as a lot of the Gulf states, have gotten much, much tougher with the Syrians.

1:51:17 call on them to stop killing their people and I think we ought to work through that effort and try to support and channel those efforts to see if we can't get rid of Saddam. He says Saddam there which is kind of interesting. But not some sort of a no-fly zone or some other kind of a... I'm not in the loop these days on what's going on in the intelligence arena and what they're doing out there but I think we definitely ought to come down on the side of replacing Assad, supporting those who want to change the regime and clearly an awful lot of Syrians do because they've been in the streets proving it. So you know that Cheney of course has got all his oil assets there. He's like no we're not going to do that. We're not going to blow anything up. We're not going to do any no-fly zone. We can get rid of the bad acting thing. Bad actors just got to do a new casting.

1:52:02 I think it's interesting that he mentioned he had these drone alternatives which brings what we suggested a couple shows ago which is the drone was dropped there as a Trojan horse. A gift. With the wheels down. The wheels that you take a look at this. This is a really good technology. Yeah, there's no cameras There's no hidden stuff in there get out. You're gonna like it It is totally the Trojan why no one takes that angle why no one says Trojan horse, and why are the wheels down? We're gonna have a crash landing. We're gonna have a whole bunch of soldiers run out of a trap door in the belly

1:52:40 It landed! It's like, we take us to your leader, we are good. Yeah, no, I think you're totally, it's so right. So right. So we're listening to the new, NBC's got this new, Brian Williams, whatever it is, it's like a 60 minutes, it shows up in the middle of the week, like last night. And they had, they've hired Ted Koppel. This is actually quite interesting. It was a whole hour, so I only got a couple of clips from it. But they had Ted Koppel go to Iraq and go to the Green Zone and start looking at some of the crap that's going on there. And it's like weird, because this is footage I've never seen before. And Koppel was getting away with a lot of stuff that none of these other journalists would do. But let's just play two of these clips. They're not very long, but just play the one that says Koppel outline. And we get a little feeling that what

1:53:32 Koppel takes a perspective that we're not really leaving Iraq under any circumstances. An estimated 1,500 of these contractors have died in Iraq since 2003 and it's not over. Often it's those whose names we don't know, the men and women who continue to operate covertly, the security measures we can't show you that most eloquently make the case. The United States is not leaving Iraq. I realize you can't go into it in any detail, but I would assume that there is a healthy CIA mission here. I would assume that JSOC may still be active in this country, that joins special operations. You've got FBI here, you've got DEA here. Can you give me sort of a menu of who all falls under your control? You're actually doing pretty well, where I'm authorized to talk about half of this stuff.

1:54:27 He's the head of the mission, so and he won't say anything but you know he nails it. Koppel seems to be right on top of it so so he does another he wraps it up with this Ted Koppel. I don't know if this was approved by by the powers that be or whatever but he brings up the old the old issues in this other clip which is just like it's a head slapper. Military command in Iraq Did not want the US troops heading home the commanding general asked for 27,000 troops to stay behind The fact of the matter is if the Iranians were to launch an attack against that consulate in Basra You have to be willing to put your money on the Iraqi government And if the Iraqi government doesn't do it who else is gonna do it well as you've heard

1:55:20 There are a lot of American troops in that region, and I would put my quarter on saying they're coming back and they'll be the ones to evacuate. But we can't pull out of Iraq. It's too important. Second largest oil reserves in the world. We used to talk about that nine years ago. I haven't talked about it much for the last eight and a half. But yes, to a large extent, it is about the oil. No. You don't say, Ted. I love it. It's about the oil, duh! I gleaned all this from the President's comments. When he declared the war over, which by the way was declared by presidential decree by George Bush when all this should end. This is not like Obama didn't end anything. This was already determined when the pullout would take place. That's what she said.

1:56:07 The president did a press conference with the Iraqi prime minister, I guess. Listen very, very, very carefully to what he says here. With respect to the embassy, the actual size of our embassy with respect to diplomats is going to be comparable to other countries that we think are important. Bull crap. This place is the size of a convention center. It's not comparable to any other place. A typical mission like that would be 100 people, they've got 15,000. This thing is massive. There are still some special security needs inside of Iraq. Now listen carefully. That make the overall number larger. Look, we're only a few years removed from an active war inside of Iraq.

1:57:02 I think it's fair to say that there are still some groups, although they are greatly weakened, that might be tempted to target U.S. diplomats or civilians who are working to you know, improve the performance of the power sector inside of Iraq or are working to help train agricultural specialists inside of Iraq. Or the bankers who were there to nationalize and buy up the cell phone companies. Yeah, douchebags who are now running in for the spoils of war, yes. And as President of the United States, I want to make sure that anybody who's out in Iraq trying to help the Iraqi people is protected. Now,

1:57:47 As this transition proceeds, it may turn out that the security needs for our diplomats and for our civilians gradually reduces itself. Partly because Iraq continues to make additional progress. But I think the Iraqi people can understand that as President of the United States, if I'm putting civilians in the field in order to help the Iraqi people build their economy, and improve their productivity, I want to make sure that they come home because they are not soldiers. Oh, they're not soldiers. On this special report with Koppel, they show these people that work there, secretaries.

1:58:30 soldiers. Soldiers. And they're just, just to go down the street they have to have a convoy of about 14 cars and they're loaded up with helmets and flak jackets. It's actually quite funny. Academy is now Z's, Blackwater changed his name to Z. Of course everyone made fun of that. Now they've changed it to Academy with an I. Academy. Why don't they just keep Blackwater? What is the big deal? Well because it, you know, it's just a new entity. It's just a new entity. So, you know, if a company is outlawed from working because, you know, they killed civilians on the ground, then you just got to change your name. The she name didn't work. Everyone's making fun of them. So now it's just Academy. And of course, Aaron Burnett has the CEO on to talk about this great branding change. Yeah, we're now Academy. We're all great. We're fan. We've yeah, we're just awesome. We're just fantastic, y'all. Fantastic. It's so good.

1:59:30 I have to do my segment, John. And? Yeah, it's time. It's time, time, time, once again to play... Win, Lose, or Drone! That's right! Now we have the New York City edition everybody, as you can also have them circling over your head. It's time once again for Manhattanites to play... Win, Lose, or Drone! So, you know, I read all the airman type porn. You know, anything that has to do with flying and stuff. And a NOTAM came out. N-O-T-A-M stands for Notice to Airmen. Airspace Unmanned Aircraft Flight Level 180 will be flying around from December 1st, 2011 to February 29th. And I'm not going to give you all the coordinates, but basically over New York.

2:00:26 At 18,000 feet. Over New York City? New York. New York State, New York City, Connecticut, Watertown. So we're having drones? Yeah. How come this isn't front page news on the New York Times? Drones are over the United States now. Yeah. Now. Government military drones. Oh yeah. That's beautiful. So there's a new joke now in aviation. So what about all these planes? Drones is gonna run into something. Oh, yeah. No, the pilots are upset because you know, it's not so basically a Notice to airmen. It's like when there's a crane at a runway or something, which means look out So I'm gonna look out for a drone when they it's an 18,000 That big yeah, look out look out for the drone while you're up there while you're flying around look out for the drone 18,000 feet is class a airspace, you know, that's you know, I could fly in class a airspace and

2:01:21 But now you have a... it's like a crane in the sky. Just be careful. You know when there's firework displays and stuff, they have no TAMs or when something is closed. Not just... hey, just so you know, there's a thing flying around there with no pilot on board. Just be careful. FYI. It's an FYI, exactly. There's a new joke though in aviation. And the joke goes something like this, in 10 years, the cockpit will only have one seat for a pilot and a basket for a dog. You know why the dog? Just to bite the pilot if he does anything. That's right. That's a good one. That's right. That's right. Got me off guard on that one. Yeah, that's how it's gonna roll.

2:02:09 So, there's one of the senators or congressmen, one of the congressmen, I have his name on a sheet somewhere, but he was given, they have this one hour for everyone to talk after the congressional sessions or these guys go on their rants. So he's revisiting the Fort Hood shooter story which seems to have gotten off the front page. And he's upset and then of course the right-wing media picked up on it as you know something to complain about with Obama being too politically correct. Which is that they've changed the, I have some thoughts about this, they've changed the definition of what happened at Fort Hood to just simple workplace violence. Oh, bullying. Bullying. So play this clip and you'll get the gist of it and then I have something to say. Mr. Speaker,

2:02:59 13 adults and one unborn child were killed and 31 individuals wounded in a shooting attack at Fort Hood, Texas on November 5, 2009. Since that time, the Department of Defense has taken no steps to award combat benefits to the casualties or even officially recognize the attack as a terrorist incident. The House and Senate have included two reform measures in the NDAA which we just passed, all while additional attacks have been attempted by similar high-profile radical Islamic terrorists. It is past time for the government to deliver on this act. Mr. Speaker, here we are almost three years later, I guess three years later,

2:04:01 And it has been a recent report that has come out, and in that report, it references this incident of this slaughter of American troops on Fort Hood soil in Texas. And it references that it shall be taken up as part of workplace violence. Obama regime calls Fort Hood shooting workplace violence. Huh.

2:04:41 Okay, so what I'm so when I'm thinking I'm sorry I guess so boring what I'm thinking is that there there's a real blatant attempt to take anything that might actually involve the kind of terrorism we would see overseas based on Islamist terrorism of any sort and and try not to let that actually happen here and only thing that would be considered terrorism would be domestic terrorism where where you know just random groups of right-wingers against abortions or whatever would be you know so we'd have so we can push this domestic terrorism meme to such an extreme we can continue to up the ante on you know the military

2:05:24 basically running the country or having military courts or arresting people for domestic terrorism that aren't, they've got nothing to, you know, this is actually an anomaly. We don't need any of these Islamists to be credited with the terrorism because then it will change focus from which, and the focus should be on the American public. Wow. And all of the stuff that we've been reading over the last two or three years since that Ford Hood thing has been focused on turning the American public into a giant group of criminals. Wow. Don't you think? Yeah, everything is upside down. It's upside down. Exactly. Whoa. Oh, that's sad. Oh, by the way, I just got a

2:06:09 A picture? Of Mr. Oil, his wedding picture? Yeah. Oh my God! What? Oh, his wife? Well, send me the picture. Oh my God, she is smoking! You're gonna get another letter. Hold on a sec- No! I can say this. Not only- What is that? Go away. I'm doing a show here. Good. She is beautiful! And Mr. Oil, he could not have a more Russian head on his shoulders. Take a look, I just emailed it to you. Okay. Married on December 5th. Oh my goodness. She is beautiful. You know, this is the girl we need on Russia Today! This is the one! She'd be good. We've never done an open casting. Yeah, Mr. Owl does look like a Ruski. But look at her. Look at her. Look at her. Wouldn't she be perfect for Russia Today? You might be too good looking for Russia Today. Oh my goodness. Look at... This is our listener.

2:07:13 It's Mr. Oil! Yeah, well I'd rather have Zoe listening. Somehow, I think he protects himself from... I'm not listening, I'm just listening to some music on my iPod. I'm not listening to any show or anything. No, that would... I'm not... nothing like that at all. No, no. Alright, coming up is... Wait a minute, before we go on with that, I want to mention that the stuff we do listen to for the listeners out there is the C-SPAN stuff. I want to play the classic stuff that's constantly being done on one of the C-SPAN networks. Play House Business. This is what we listen to all day. The chair lays before the house the following personal request. Leave of absence requested for Mr. Diaz-Balart of Florida for today and through Friday, December 16th.

2:08:03 Without objection the request is granted. Oh, yeah No, I love those at the beginning goes on for hours and some of its like, you know He has jury duty or you know, there's all kinds of reasons that they can't show up I know I know we sit there and we watch it like like we're the drones. I just I got one final thing We haven't talked about this this shooter in Liege in Belgium Which I'm going to tell you right now, this was a false flag. Now I immediately reached out to Baron von Pelsmachers, because of course this is his barony. And I tell you, I didn't hear from two days from the Baron. I got worried because I think he might even be around that area. I'm like, oh please don't tell me that he was like shopping or something. But this thing reeks of crazy. You know, just like the Oslo bombing and shooting.

2:09:02 And Baron von Pelsenmacher, who is a very, he's got a solid square head on his shoulders. I know a little bit more about him than I can tell you, but he's just a proud former citizen, now royalty. of Belgium. And he says, this is exactly what we needed. We got the new government coming in, we need all the slaves to listen up and be very afraid. This is exactly what we needed. Timing was perfect, he says. Of course, he's a no agenda guy. That's why he's saying these things. But listen to this. This attacker had been let go after he had been found several years previous with nine and a half thousand gun parts in 2008. He had multiple firearms.

2:09:46 Uh, and the authorities actually let him go and police weren't allowed to question him because that would be harassment. This is such an inside false flag job, it's not funny. Add to the fact that- I like the idea of the police can't question you because it would be harassment. That's exactly what it is! He's also 33 years old, so, no, I'm just saying. Yeah, you get the magic numbers, you know. 33, that's the magic number. Oh, look out, though! So we have that final clip coming up from which again is stuff that we do for you hours and hours of C-Span

2:10:24 And it's by the way the C-SPAN stuff. It's free to use There's no copyright or royalties as long as it's of the government and not their self-produced shows You know any news organization could do what we do right and they can use the clips. Yeah, they can use the clips It's in fact you even have a download broadcast quality link right there. You know you can use the clips whatever you want to do They don't do any of that So this is the only place you can get that, and please remember us when you're looking at your PayPal and think- or just see that little donate button, you think, hey! And in my continuing quest to prove that the obsessive overuse of the word vagina in mainstream media, unfunny sitcoms, is to promote an agenda, I think we're getting very, very close.

2:11:18 Pfizer of course one of the biggest advertisers They now have the web commercials So it's only a minute just a little bit of time before we see this on television people are now being conditioned the word Vagina is not only is it good. It's hilarious apparently But at least it's now an accepted word And with the target audience, John, of the typical television audience, what is the age range these days? Fifteen. No, seriously. It depends. There are different demos on TV, but 18 to 24 is one group. There's also the 24 to, I guess, a camera group. Yeah, but who are the medical companies going after? Oh, the medical companies are going, well, on those

2:12:01 old people. Thank you. There's an older demo that the medical, that you can, by the way, people out there when you're watching a show and a commercial comes on, that commercial, any light is a show you like, that commercial is designed for you and your group. So look at yourself, look within and if the commercials for like, you know, hemorrhoid ointment or something, you know, if you want to hang out with a younger crowd, you might want to watch some other shows. Well, you're absolutely right. And this is the target group. I didn't even tell my husband, but you can't hide something like that. He would go to the drugstore, not discussing it or anything, but he would go to the drugstore and buy an over-the-counter product. Oh, I heard about this. I saw the commercial about this. It's a funny thing that women don't... What are we talking about? I don't know.

2:12:57 I would think it's hinting at condoms or blue pills. I have no idea. I mean, it's just I'm because I'm an older listener and I'm going, oh, I don't know. Here it comes. What? Here it comes. Talk about. vaginal dryness. There's a new vaccine? I swear to God they're pushing estrogen on women now. Literally if you go to the website, oh what is it? Oh my god it's so funny. It's the Pfizer website I gotta look it up again. They are saying, I just gotta find this for you, here it is.

2:13:43 The website is personalmenopauseanswers.com. Remember that unlike other symptoms of menopause, vaginal symptoms can make intercourse painful, may not go away on their own, and left untreated they could get worse. Now of course you may have already tried some of the vaginal gels and liquids. They can be purchased without prescription and are used prior to sex to offer temporary relief of vaginal dryness. But they're designed to lessen symptoms rather than treat root causes of the pain. Instead, you need medical options. Hormone therapy, which require prescription from your healthcare professional. Prescription treatments can replenish estrogen to the vagina, helping rebuild the tissue that creates vaginal lubrication. Hey, I'd give him some advice. Get Suzanne Somers out there.

2:14:34 push this stuff. She's the one who started off the whole, you know, hormone replacement thing for women and she's old enough. But it makes so much sense, you know, we've got guys who can't get it up so we've got to have Viagra and then women are like, oh now that it's up, this shit hurts man, get that, stop doing it. Get it out of here. Stop, get that thing out of here, it hurts. This commercial is great. But they talk about hot flashes. And by the way, you need some Viagra when you see this actress. Well, because I need her. Oh, she were OK. I'm listening. Had a hot flash. I didn't think that I was going through menopause with the prescription treatment. I know. Oh, I'm a Hummer. Hummer. Exactly. Hummer. Exactly. When to use it and how often to use it.

2:15:22 and by following the directions and instructions from my doctor, when we get into the moment to make love, we're into the moment without any interruptions. If I had the opportunity to tell women who were suffering through the same symptoms... She's a hummer too, by the way. She's a light hummer. ...that I did, I would say, don't wait. Don't go through what I did. Go to your doctor. Ask him what's best for you, but there is no sense in letting it go thinking it's gonna get better. No Better better you could stretch out and stretch out a little bit more obvious, but you're right. They're both hummers

2:16:04 It's unbelievable. So you watch this is going to be on television, vaginal dryness. That's where it's headed. That was what I was waiting for. Okay. Well, you didn't, you had, you had the wrong product, but the right, uh, you, I give you a 10, I give you a full prediction, follow up, a check Mark. You get in. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. Our two final clips today we have, uh, we're going to do them one after another. First is the Nuclear Regulatory Commission hearing and that will be followed by Maynard, our buddy there who works for Real Radio. He actually gets paid by a boss.

2:16:42 in Australia to, which sounds like a bum deal by the way. Maynard's gonna get fired one of these days, you know that right? He's gonna slip in something wrong, it's gonna be over. He'll get work, he's got a good voice. So he's interviewing, oh yeah, Sir Thomas of Virginia, who has been to several No Agenda, two No Agenda Hot Pocket store meetups. That will be followed by the hearing, set this up for us John. Yeah, this is that hearing that we heard early in the show. This is the bit that I thought was the funniest and it's Representative Labrador, who has a dog-like look to him by the way, from Idaho, who just goes after this guy. And it is, I think, it's very good. This is why C-SPAN can be entertaining. This is brutal.

2:17:32 Hearing no objections, I will assume they will be delivered to us. With that, we recognize the gentleman from Idaho, Mr. Labrador, for five minutes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I especially want to welcome Mr. Magwood, Commissioner Magwood, who worked diligently at Idaho National Laboratory, and I believe Commissioner Svinicki worked for one of our Senators, so thank you for being here. This has been Truly, one of the most frustrating hearings I've ever participated in because I've never seen such self-deluded behavior by any individual in probably my entire life. The lack of awareness of what's happening here in the commission is truly astounding to me. To watch an individual just sit here and say that the only thing he is responsible for and he's sorry about is the distraction.

2:18:27 that has been caused by your behavior. It's truly just embarrassing just to watch you this entire time that I've been here. So let's really just get down to what's happening here. You believe, and you did not answer this question when my good colleague over here asked you the question, but you believe that you are more passionate than the other four individuals sitting here about nuclear safety. Is that not true? Well, I, uh, I just answer the question yes or no. You can say yes, you can say no. Are you more passionate? Are you less passionate? Or are you equally passionate? It's a simple question. My voting record, I think, shows that I have taken positions on safety. So you're more passionate. Is that what you believe? I would say my position. And you also believe that you have better judgment than these four individuals. Is that not true?

2:19:22 I believe that I have... Yes or no? Simple question. I believe I have very good judgment as a safety net. And your judgment is better than the four individuals here combined. Isn't that true, according to your own opinion? It's up to others to determine... No, it's up to you because you're the one who's making the decisions that is making their life a living hell. So you tell me, do you have more passion, do you have better judgment? Yes or no? I feel very strongly that I have an appropriate judgment. So you have better judgment than the other four individuals that are sitting here, correct? According to you. Congressman, as I said many times, I'm not going to answer the question. Okay, you're not going to answer the question when it's clearly from your statements, from your actions that you believe that your judgment and your passion surpasses the four of them combined.

2:20:10 So your distraction that is being caused, it's interesting to me, I have managed an organization. I had a law firm for a while. Now I have to manage my congressional office. Your management style is bringing some problems that are being brought here to the fore and you're saying that you're willing to work with them but you're not willing to admit that you have done anything wrong. That's what I cannot understand. The only way you're going to be able to work with these individuals and actually change your management style is by admitting that you actually screwed up, that you actually did something wrong. Are you not willing to admit that there's something in your management style that has brought us to a congressional hearing that is unprecedented in American history?

2:20:55 Well, Congressman, I take responsibility for this agency and as I've indicated I'm willing to discuss these issues with my colleagues and figure out how we can better communicate. But you haven't done anything wrong. What are you going to discuss? That they're wrong and you're right, correct? I would like to discuss these communication issues and some of the misunderstandings that we have. Have you done anything wrong in your management of this agency? Congressman, as I said, I take full responsibility. For what? For this organization. No, for what in your behavior are you taking responsibility for? Just name one thing, just one thing that you admit that you have done wrong because I don't believe that these four individuals would come here if you haven't done a single thing wrong. Just name one thing that you have done wrong. Well, Congressman, as I said, I'm very passionate about safety and... So it's wrong for you to be passionate about safety? Is that what you're telling the American people right now? Congressman... Is that wrong to be passionate about safety? And they're not passionate about safety, right?

2:21:57 Congressman, as I said, I'm very passionate about safety and if that's ever been misconstrued by my colleagues, that's something I'd like to ask. So what in your passion, in your passionate statements was wrong that would bring us to a moment that we have to have these four individuals, these four commissioners who have dedicated their entire life to the public safety of our nation? What in your behavior is wrong? Just name one thing. That's all I'm asking. named twenty things that i have done wrong in my life if somebody asked me the question you can't name one thing Well, Congressman, as indicated, it's a conversation I think I'd like to have with my colleagues to better understand their... It's ridiculous. Your answers today have been totally ridiculous because there's no way that these individuals who have the same passion, the same commitment to the safety of the United States would be sitting here complaining about you, complaining about the staff, unless you had done something wrong. And it's absolutely ridiculous for us to

2:22:56 to think that under any circumstance you're going to change your behavior because you're not even willing to admit that you did one thing wrong. That's just incredulous to anybody who's watching this meeting. Mr. Chairman, I have run out of time. C-SPAN. So Thomas, whereabouts are you from? What great state are you from? Kansas. How did you find out about No Agenda? I was a long time listener of Dvorak, follower of all his magazine editorials and stuff like that. He mentioned it a couple of times and I didn't make a connection to

2:23:38 to Adam Curry and then after I heard him and you know looked him up I was like oh Adam Curry from MTV and immediately got hooked. Are there many people in Kansas you know that listen to No Agenda? No not at all. Currently in Virginia Beach I've travelled the world in the Navy and I haven't been back to Canada since. As being an ex-serviceman, does no agenda have a different tone for you, being someone who's been in the service? Oh definitely. I worked with electronic warfare while I was in the military and a lot of the stuff Adam talks about, I love hearing his view on HAARP and several other things. What is your favourite part of the show? Are you more into the second part of the show? I just love it when Adam and John get way off on a tangent.

2:24:21 and that that they're speaking there what that their true thoughts are rather than their kind of what they think they need for the show you gotta love the pet peeves No, I love it. Love it. And why did you decide to become a knight? What made you think, oh, I better be into this? I just love the whole idea of no commercials, their own business model. They have very strong opinions and they stand behind them. I'm just a single knight. And then after that, Nicole, my girlfriend, became a saint. I seem to remember that. She did something really special, didn't she? Both her and I have been to both the first and the last meeting of the Hot Pockets Tour. The first saint was

2:24:58 was also named Nicole and she worked in the health profession and so does my girlfriend so I was like, hey Adam we're going to make Nicole a saint and he was like, let's do it. Now we're talking, you're the first night I've spoken to that's been to one of the meetups of any sort. What's it like? What's the atmosphere like as Curry enters the room? Everybody was sitting down eating seafood and just talking and we went around the room and met everybody, met Adam and Mickey and it was just a wonderful time. Everybody had their own take on so many different

2:25:34 uh... ideas and opinions the person that picked up adam from the airport was a marine so him and i had kind of the uh... the military background it's just so nice that everybody was so friendly was there a certain commonality you said there's a lot of diversity in the no agenda listenership was there a commonality of there was one thing that main reason they were all there? Not really. It seemed that we kind of came from like every aspect of life from you know common workers to industrial people to technological people. I think maybe no agenda was the only thing that really drew us all together. A lot of respect for other people's opinions because as I talk to all the Knights here not everyone agrees with everything they hear on the show but they just want to hear different opinions on a multitude of subjects. Yeah that's

2:26:18 That's one of the things is when you're listening to No Agenda, I think you're at the, so you don't agree with that but you continue to the discussion, you hear other viewpoints and you move it along rather than just say you're wrong and it stops. Have you got any advice for the show? Is there anything in the show you'd like to see more of? Anything you'd like to see introduced? Any way you think the show could be improved at the moment? No, not really any real improvements. It slowly evolved. They originally started off the show with no jingles, to where now a jingle is a major part of No Agenda. What's your favourite jingle? Douchebag, of course. I'm a fan if you see something, say something. And I was only walking through Melbourne about a month ago. That has been adopted over a period of time by the Melbourne police as well. So every once in a while you'll see a sticker that says that on a Melbourne tram stop.

2:27:06 Every once in a blue moon here in the States, you hear it. It's just a friendly reminder. If you see something, say something, you know. Tell me, what do you do with your night ring? Hit people in the mouth. I did the candle wax seal a few times. 90% of the time it sits right on my desk. I've got Every one of the No Agenda Challenge coins I wear it to any of my formal meetings or business meetings or the other day to my business Christmas party. For those people that might be out there thinking of donating or thinking of becoming a Knight, what do you think are the advantages of doing that with No Agenda? It's a lot better than being a boner. People can say, yeah, this, that or the other thing, but when

2:27:46 they hear your name on, you know, on the podcast, they know that you're backing it up.