Episode 346 · Sunday, 9 October 2011

The Indignati

Protest movements face corporate hijacking while global financial systems teeter on the brink of a sovereign debt meltdown and biometric surveillance expands across international borders.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 346

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Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak dissect the Occupy Wall Street protests in Los Angeles, where union leaders and actors like Danny Glover have reportedly hijacked the grassroots messaging of the 99 percent. While the media portrays demonstrators as disorganized, the presence of Ron Paul supporters and organized labor suggests a more complex struggle for the movement's identity. The hosts contrast these American 'weekend warriors' with the Indignados of Spain, who completed a marathon march to Brussels to defy EU-ordered austerity measures.

President Barack Obama defended the lack of Wall Street prosecutions during a recent press conference, labeling executive behavior as reckless but not illegal. Meanwhile, the European sovereign debt crisis threatens a global banking meltdown, prompting experts on BBC Newsnight to call for massive taxpayer-funded bank recapitalization. In the United States, the FBI and Director Robert Mueller face scrutiny over Patriot Act Section 215 and the expansion of the Next Generation Identification biometric system, which now tracks tattoos and facial markers using civil submissions from social media.

Ralph Nader joins the program to criticize the Obama administration's use of a secret kill list for American citizens like Anwar al-Awlaki, describing the current presidency as a functional dictatorship. The hosts also explore the absurdity of Dutch trains replacing bathrooms with absorbent pee bags and the implementation of radiation security tunnels at Schiphol Airport. Adam Curry details his upcoming move to Austin, Texas, to establish the new Camp Mofo studio while selling off his Saab and Range Rover.


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CHAPTER 01 / 45 Discussion

No Agenda Episode 346 Introduction, Sysadmin Appreciation

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open Episode 346 of the No Agenda show on Sunday, October 9, 2011. The hosts greet their audience of "sysadmins worldwide" and "human resources" in the chatroom. Curry reports on his recent visit to the Occupy Wall Street protests in Los Angeles.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· gitmo nation· sysadmins· silicon valley· southern california

00:00 After use, the bags can be sealed and thrown in the trash. Or thrown at someone. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. And Sunday, October 9th, 2011, time again for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 346. This is no agenda. Representing sysadmins worldwide from the hilltop watchtower crackpot command center counting down the days here in the people's Republic of Southern California in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we're doing the tent pole of all podcasts John C. Dvorak Hey, man, I like that a lot the tent pole of all podcasts I'm pitching a tent. How are you?

00:45 Yeah, right as we speak. Yeah. In the morning to you, John. In the morning to you, Adam Curry and all ships at sea in the morning and all boots on the ground in the morning and also the feet in the air. Yes. And in the morning to all sysadmins, the administrators who manage the systems who are clearly starting to do stuff. We'll be talking about that today. Very nice to see you all charged up in your various positions. We know you're at it and we love you for it. And of course, All of the human resources in the chatroom at noagentistream.com and noagentitchat.net, they call you human resources for a reason, you know. You're a resource, you happen to be human, and they're sucking you dry. Glad to have you aboard. Well, John, I went down to Occupy Wall Street, Los Angeles yesterday. Los Angeles. Los Angeles, yeah. This was very interesting. I felt it was time to get some boots on the ground. Of course, I knew we already had boots on the ground.

CHAPTER 02 / 45 Discussion

Occupy Wall Street Los Angeles, Union Hijacking Claims

Adam Curry describes the four distinct groups present at the Occupy Wall Street camp at Los Angeles City Hall, including homeless individuals and union representatives. He notes that the public address system was dominated by unions and actors like Danny Glover, while Ron Paul supporters and "Fed guys" occupied a separate area. Curry expresses concern over the "99%" messaging and the lack of centralized organization beyond the union presence.

occupy wall street· los angeles city hall· unions· danny glover· ron paul· department of children and family services

01:42 We got a couple of our producers there who have pitched their own tent for the past few days. They've been down there. It's at City Hall in Los Angeles. Very interesting. What did you learn? Well, there are multiple camps. In this case, literally, there's kind of like three groups of people who were there. Four, really. First of all, you've got people who are generally homeless who are like, oh, finally a place I can pitch my tent without getting kicked out. Exactly. And there's no kidding. Like, there's a lot. That's got to be the majority. Yeah. Particularly around here. So there's just California. Tons of tents with actual homeless people who are just really happy to have a place where they can set up tent and not get kicked out. Obamaville. Yeah, exactly.

02:32 Then you have, and it's kind of weird the way City Hall is here in Los Angeles, you have the steps of City Hall. And which is big and pompous. And so there's a lot of people kind of converging in front of those because there's a PA system, which I guess showed up a couple of days ago. Unfortunately, I believe the PA system may be owned by the unions. When we got there yesterday afternoon, it was just one union after another. The ATLA, which is the teachers union, and then Danny Glover showed up. And he was talking unions. So just a lot of, yeah, a lot of union stuff. Yeah. But, you know, good signs though. I like a lot of the signage. Did you see my sign? I had a sign. What did it say? Well, why don't you go to MickeyC's.com. M-I-C-K-Y-S-E-E-S.com. Take a look at my sign. I had two signs. M-I-C-K-E-Y. No, K-Y, no E. How, ugh.

03:32 Yes, ee sees dot-com. Yeah, Mickey sees you'll see my sign. I think it's the second collection then around the corner kind of on the side entrance is where you have essentially the attack the media Ron Paul and the Fed guys and it's kind of grungy on that side, but that's where I feel though a lot of the real people and who are really down with the message. You also completely understood my sign. When you see my sign... I'm looking all over. I'm on the fourth or fifth page. I have not seen any sign. No, it's the... if you go to mickeysees.com, I think it's the second batch of pictures. Hold on. Let me take a look. I don't think so. Yeah, I think so. Let's see. Okay, so you see the masks, the V-masks?

04:26 I'm looking at I do if you see Mickey sees calm you see the V mass see the V mess I see evil is that yours no you click on the V masks How would I know this what says view when you hover over it? Wait, that's not the right one I'm sorry. It's okay. You see the evil sucks now go to the fourth one so not on evil sucks clicking on it And we all get evil so now not the evil sucks the one next terrible sight. Yeah, it's a tumbler We're fixing that yeah, yeah, anyway the sign said don't drone me bro, and I had drone nation.com and The no agenda kind of a no agenda logo

05:17 It was interesting because on the city steps people would look at me and go like, huh? What do you mean don't don't drow me now I'm kind of the Ron Paul side of City Hall people like hey, don't drown me bro. They totally got it I think Mickey just uploaded a uploaded a set that's why it switched around And then on the reverse side of that I had sysadmins United and use RSS not Facebook and Facebook Inc. and I had the F and the B and the I of Facebook Inc. capitalized so it looked like FBI and that's cute and that actually got a lot of sysadmins, hey man, hey that's pretty cool man, right on man and there was the no agenda tent with you know all the signage there but it is growing there were several hundred people there for sure

06:09 And it was just, you know, the thing is like the PA is dominated by the union guys. You can't just get up there and, you know, well maybe if you're in the morning, it's early in the morning or something, maybe you can get up there. But there's like a line and you know, there's people who are managing who's on the microphone like, okay, all right then. So, because I was going to go up there and throw some smack down. Yeah. Yeah. But that didn't feel very welcome. And you know, when Danny Glover shows up anywhere, beware! You know, that's just, that's not good. But it is interesting, people protesting all kinds of different things. There's this DCFS, which I didn't know what that stood for. You know what that stands for? DCFS? I have no idea. Department of Children and Family Services. Oh, yeah. It's like, give us back our children. People holding up signs, predominantly look like

07:08 Mexican people walking around I guess they came in with their kids and Department of Children and Family Services We're taking your kid away from you, so there's probably legitimate concern. I'm sure it is problem in Texas Yeah, but the but what was really nice is everyone's kind of hanging around everyone's talking You know and that was nice to see that people are at least talking about stuff amongst themselves which I think is the big benefit of going to one of these things and It's just meeting other people and hearing what their grievances are. But the 99% thing has me extremely bothered. I'm not liking that at all. My mama taught me, you know, you don't want to join any club that excludes anybody. And you go down, it's like, well, what if you're part of the 1%? You can't be a part of it?

07:56 It was a cute no agenda sign no agenda. 99% thing by the way is cropping up everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Well the no agenda guys they got it. They had no agenda show.com 99% free They understand the joke that's good so Mmm, you learn anything you didn't know that no not really it kind of just solidified everything for me that it's it's being hijacked by the unions. And I guess it's good that everyone's down there. At least people are off their asses, you know? That I like.

CHAPTER 03 / 45 Discussion

Get a Job Losers, Media Portrayal of Protesters

A news clip features a commentator criticizing Occupy Wall Street protesters for lacking logic and suggesting they would be better off looking for employment. The discussion highlights the media's attempt to frame the protesters as disorganized or lazy. The hosts contrast this with the early Tea Party movement's lack of centralized leadership.

fox news· tea party· union spending· wall street· job market· media memes

08:37 I really do like that. So the fact that Fox is completely sold out and they don't represent anybody that's a real person. I do have a clip that applies to this these events. I think it summarizes the attitude even though no one wants to admit that there's different kind of disparate discrepant let's say groups at these events but play the the get a job losers clip. Is this demonstration in your judgment, is it rational? Do they have a point? And do you think we'll see it continue to grow? I doubt it. You know, they're supposed to be marching today on the strip right about right now. Supposedly, I had one of the representatives of that group on my show this morning and you know, he's not really clear what he wants. You know, he wants to take the money out of politics, you know, things like that. And I reminded him how much money the union spend in politics. He goes, well, no, no.

09:32 they don't spend nearly as much as some other groups. You know, they're not logical. I don't think they're going to stay together very long and the reality is, you know, they're complaining about Wall Street and unfairness. The amount of time they spend marching and organizing, they'd be better off looking for a job, frankly. Yeah, it was interesting. One thing I did learn actually is, you know, they have these general assemblies now at all of the Occupy Wall Street things. And it's basically they everyone gets together, I guess, yells out stuff and they write up a big list of everything that we need, which varies from water. By the way, that's also there's no organization. They have a couple of porta potties there, but no food trucks around. I don't know what's going on with the food truck. Can we mention the fact that it was like considered a great

CHAPTER 04 / 45 Discussion

Ralph Nader on Occupy Wall Street, Corporate Hijacking

Ralph Nader appears on Judge Napolitano's show to discuss similarities between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street, arguing both were subject to hijacking by corporate interests. Media outlets are accused of setting up the protests as a wedge for the Obama administration. The segment notes the delayed media coverage of the movement which officially began on September 17.

ralph nader· judge napolitano· tea party· corporatist republicans· barack obama· unabomber

10:11 thing that there was no organization with the early Tea Parties, there were just individuals and there was no centralized group. Oh yeah, oh no, of course. Well it's funny. It was great, it was fantastic. Ralph Nader. Who I'm starting to like more and more I've never really paid attention to him I thought it was kind of a dork He was on judge Napolitano show which is the only show on Fox where they actually do have kind of half a clue about what's happening and he spoke specifically about the tea party which he basically echoed what we've said from the get-go before it even happened. Welcome back to the show thank you do you see do you see similarities of ralph between uh... the tea party movement and the occupy wall street movement which started in lower manhattan and has now spread to other cities around the country well before the tea party move was hijacked by the corporatist republicans yes exactly before it was hijacked you got it and but this is one and i was a common tator

11:12 on Fox, what's her name? Terry something or other, the real hard ass and she took that whole get a job thing one step further was really quite astounding to listen to. Well I mean it's the media is really in search of itself. I advise anybody who has a sense of humor left about this to go to occupywallstreet.com and what you will read is the ravings of what sounds like the Unabomber Is that setting someone up to be a terrorist by saying it's the ravings of the Unabomber? Also the use of the word meta, a Greek degree of

11:51 of language. is on the way i will go on to use please do it anyway what they want uh... but it's certainly better going down there and he carrying signs of the then going out and and hitting the pavement for a job now i think it's interesting about this is that uh... maybe is being delivered media is being accused of

12:28 setting this up uh... for obama so that he can use this as a these people as a wedge against the republicans in the election uh... i don't know if that's true or not but the unions couldn't the public service unions couldn't wait to get down there last week and there is something that there is that there is something it's a magnet for the disenchanted isn't just people without jobs it isn't all the old people isn't just young people it's also people who like good weather by the way so we'll see how long this lasts for new york in She forgot the dating part, but the weather is a new one. I like that one. I heard the weather one. February will test everybody's metal. But they missed the story starting at the beginning. Officially the date, this of course comes from the New York Times, that's why it's official.

CHAPTER 05 / 45 Discussion

Media Confusion, Historical Protest Parallels

The hosts discuss the media's inability to understand the Occupy movement compared to the Arab Spring in Egypt and Tunisia. They draw parallels to 1960s "get a job" and "get a haircut" memes, predicting a progression toward police violence. A brief mention is made of Greek protesters depicting Angela Merkel with a Hitler mustache.

egypt· tunisia· 1960s· 1970s· angela merkel· hitler mustache· armed protest

13:14 says that September 17th was the start of this thing and then stories didn't start being printed until early October. I found also by the way that one of the reasons the Washington Post didn't do much with it is because they don't have an office. You guys know all kinds of stupid stuff about the Washington Post but the bottom line is for most people who are not intimately involved and it is still most people they're only seeing bits and bobs and little snippets of idiots that they put on television and it's all with that and that's the media meme. They've got no message. They have no message. Whereas strangely enough the same media never ever questioned Egypt or Tunisia

14:00 You know, it's, oh no, they want the corrupt government, the evil dictator, you know, the guy that kills his own people. Obama. That guy. I'm sorry, that's our dictator, not theirs. You know, it was very simple. People on the media understood it completely, but they just haven't gotten their marching orders. I think that's the problem. The media is confused because no one has told them what to say yet. Like, where's the memo? Apparently that's the only excuse I can think of. And they come up with this old meme by the way, and this thing goes back to the 60s and 70s. Thank you. I mean, every time they say it, which is one of the, you know, since I go back to the 60s and 70s as a kid,

14:39 It's like every time I hear it I go wow I can't believe they're saying that get a job all that's missing is get a job and get a haircut. Yeah haircut. They used to say so it's the same thing. Get a haircut. Get a job. Get a haircut. Once again it's the same thing. You can't get a job people. There's a lot of these jobs aren't available. I mean unless you want to work for nothing. And the three dollar haircut is also long gone. Yeah. Well, apparently they've dropped the haircut meme. It's going to be something though because you have to have two things. So it's going to be get a job, take a bath or something like that because I think a lot of these people apparently stink the high end. Oh no, no, that's in there too. It's like you're pooping on the street and I'm hearing that crop up here and there.

15:17 So what happened in the 60s, John, in your recollection? What was the progression of this? So now we're at the get a job, get a haircut phase. What happened after that? Then comes the cops to beat the crap out of people. That's already happening. And then a bunch of people get killed and then everyone goes, oh, we killed people for no good reason. So I think it's time that the protesters go down there armed. Well, this is this is this is the thing that's not gonna help. Well, yeah, well, if if we had those thousands of people and they all had a gun like in, you know, in North Africa where it's legal. Yeah, well, then they become it with the SWAT teams. You know what? I question that. I question that if there's if there's 100 or 200000 people and they've all got a weapon, the cops aren't going to just start shooting on them. Oh, yeah.

16:09 No, I think they'll be very afraid. Yeah, uh-huh. They'll just be behind cars shooting at them. Don't kid yourself. Well, that's the only thing that our government is truly afraid of is that our population is armed. That's all I know. Yeah, well, not that afraid. Meanwhile, the Occupy Wall Street idea, of course, is spreading around the globe. Athens, Athens is very funny actually, they're now protesting Germany because of course this is what was always the setup right? Is let's say Germany is trying to ruin everything once again and now we've got the brothers and sisters of Greece angry at the brothers and sisters in Germany and vice versa and now they're holding up signs of Angela Merkel with a Hitler mustache which actually looks pretty good on her I have to say. It kind of fits.

CHAPTER 06 / 45 Discussion

Indignados Movement, Spain to Brussels March

Protesters known as the "indignant" or Indignados completed a marathon march from Spain to Brussels to denounce EU-ordered austerity measures. Hundreds of demonstrators defied bans to set up camp in Elizabeth Park. The hosts contrast the commitment of these European marchers with American "weekend warrior" protesters.

indignados· spain· brussels· elizabeth park· european union· austerity cuts

17:00 But have you heard of the indignant? No. The indignant protest is something off the hook. These people are very serious. I mean, you think it's tough for people to go down to City Hall or down to Wall Street? Listen to this. The marathon march is over for these so-called indignant protesters who've converged on Brussels from several European countries. Defying a ban, hundreds of demonstrators set up camp in the city's Elizabeth Park. They want to make their voices heard and denounce EU-ordered austerity cuts. But first there was time to celebrate the sheer joy of reaching their journey's end.

17:41 Organizers said more than a hundred had marched from Spain where the indignados movement became a phenomenon this spring. People marching from Spain. Indignado. Yeah, they walked from Spain to Brussels. That's a long way. Are you kidding me? That's why it took so long. Yeah, but that's a serious protest right there. Yeah, that's more than a weekend warrior. We don't want to do anything. We're going to basically have these homeless encampments protected by a bunch of youngsters. Well, no, isn't it? And the and the the what's the name of that guy?

CHAPTER 07 / 45 Discussion

Lyndon LaRouche, Glass-Steagall Act Reinstatement

Lyndon LaRouche appears on the Alex Jones show to argue that reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act is the only way to prevent an unavoidable financial crash. The hosts discuss how the repeal of the act under the Clinton administration allowed commercial banks to merge with investment banks and insurance companies. They speculate that future civil unrest may lead to the use of FEMA camps.

lyndon larouche· alex jones· glass-steagall act· bill clinton· fema camps· financial crash

18:19 Linden LaRouche crowd will be in force. Did you find any Linden LaRouche people there? No. He set up a table. No, I heard Linden LaRouche on Alex Jones. Ugh. Which is what a great combo. By the way, Alex Jones all of a sudden has an RV and he's traveling around the country. Thanks. And Linden LaRouche says, if I can paraphrase him, And this is the only reason why I would listen is to hear the guest. He said, look, everyone's the administration is falling apart. Wall Street, of course, is actually kind of falling apart. And he says the only way to stop the unavoidable crash, which I guess you and I kind of believe is a cycle. Whatever you do, it's going to happen anyway. It's unavoidable, he says, is to reinstate Glass-Steagall.

19:12 He says that is truly the only way to stop it. Yeah, well it's too late. And they won't do that by the way. Just so people understand, Glass-Steagall was... Was it Clinton who busted that up? Yeah, it was Clinton. Thanks, Clinton. It was the idea that a bank, if it was, you had to have a separate... If it was a bank, it has to be a bank. Yeah, where you put your money and if it was an investment bank, it's something else. And of course, that is now all one, where a bank is also an investment bank. And an insurance company and a stockbroker. Yeah, and a whorehouse, I hear some of those on Wall Street. Well, that's actually the only good part.

19:54 Yeah, but it's a this is not going to end well. It will end in riots and I'm pretty sure it's going to end initially in these fractions inside of the movement warring against each other because they will heat up and And this is what the FEMA camps are for. We've been talking about that for years. Yeah, I'm not joking. This is what the FEMA camps are for. The question is, will the protesters be thrown into the FEMA camps or will the law-abiding citizens be invited in for their protection? That's the only question I have left. Now, President Obama had a news conference, a long one. I spent so much time watching C-SPAN over the past few days.

CHAPTER 08 / 45 Discussion

Obama Press Conference, Wall Street Prosecutions

During a press conference, President Obama responds to questions from Jake Tapper regarding the lack of prosecutions for Wall Street executives following the 2008 financial crisis. Obama claims that much of the activity leading to the collapse was "immoral" or "reckless" but not necessarily illegal. The hosts criticize the president's long-winded answers and perceived elitism.

barack obama· jake tapper· wall street· lehman brothers· subprime lending· prosecutions

20:41 And it was actually the conference was rather short. He had, you know, his statement was five minutes. It's all the same thing. It's like, oh, the Republicans, you know, do they have a better plan or the Republicans? Dude, it was so tiring to listen to. But finally, people are starting to ask the right questions. And this is Jake. Just to follow up on Jackie's question. One of the reasons why so many of the people at the Occupy Wall Street protests are so angry is because, as you say, so many people on Wall Street did not follow the rules. But your administration hasn't really been very aggressive in prosecuting. In fact, I don't think any Wall Street executives have gone to jail despite the rampant corruption and malfeasance that did take place. So I was wondering if you could comment on that. And then just as a separate question,

21:25 as you're watching the cylindra and fast and furious furious controversies playing out i'm wondering if it gives you any pause about any of the decision-making going on in your administration some of the emails the democrats put out indicating that people at the office of management budget were concerned about the department of energy some of the emails going on uh... and with the attorney general i think he didn't know about uh... the details of fast and furious are you worried at all about how this is how your administration is running. Well, first on the issue of prosecutions on Wall Street, one of the biggest problems about the collapse of Lehman's and the subsequent financial crisis and the whole subprime lending fiasco is that a lot of that stuff wasn't necessarily illegal, it was just immoral or

22:25 inappropriate or reckless. So it wasn't illegal? Did I actually hear the president say that? Did he just let all of Wall Street off the hook by saying that stuff they did wasn't illegal? Really? But the promise he was vague, what was he referring to? A lot of that stuff. Well, there you go. Laundering drug money. I guess a lot of that stuff wasn't illegal. Ponzi schemes. I understand this press conference went like 90 minutes and he took like a total of like less than 10 questions. Well, yeah, when the questions are like this. No, it's his long-winded answers. He has gotten to the point, I've seen him interviewed before and I noticed this and I think I pointed out on another show.

CHAPTER 09 / 45 Discussion

Solyndra Loan Controversy, Presidential Golf Outings

President Obama claims the Solyndra loan guarantee program predated his administration, though reports indicate the Bush administration had previously declined the loan. The hosts mock the president for playing his 86th round of golf over the weekend. They also dismiss comparisons between current protests and Woodstock, calling the latter a failed commercial venture.

solyndra· department of energy· george w. bush· golf· woodstock· rage against the machine

23:07 when he was, I think O'Reilly interviewed him and he kept interrupting him because Obama would start yakking. He's learned this from Clinton. He just goes and goes and goes and he goes and he drones and he drones and he goes, you know, talking about John Kerry. And just continues to chat and let's just stop him. No, why do you think I was bored to tears? I have to sit through all of that. Oh, I'm surprised you didn't shoot yourself. I'm saving my bullets for the real revolution. Another quick thing I picked up was about the solar energy company, Solyndra, where he slips in another convenient lie. So, Solyndra, this is a loan guarantee program that predates me, that historically has had support from Democrats and Republicans as well. Sure. It predates him, however the Bush administration actually declined or denied

23:56 the Solyndra loan and then two weeks into the Obama administration all of a sudden Department of Energy approved the loan but it once again it's like I was the other guys I had nothing to do predates me I had nothing to do from do with it and meanwhile what did our president do this weekend you know what he does yeah this was I think is 86th round and and and by the way he took the helicopter Yeah, he's that's that's pretty bad elitism right there. He's really concerned about the American people Let me do this damn press conference on Thursday, and I can at least I can get off for the weekend to go play some golf Got to go play some golf. I'm sick and tired of it so yeah, it's

24:51 It's funny, a lot of people yesterday were saying, well you know, and it was interesting, Tom Marino of Rage Against the Machine stopped by the tent and then he went to play live. And a lot of people, particularly here in Los Angeles, saying, hey man, this is kind of what happened with Woodstock. I'm like, are you kidding me? Woodstock was a commercial venture that went wrong because people converged on it, but people were having sex and getting high. I don't think it was that much about the protest and what good did it do by the way? Look at where we are. Good work John's generation. Thanks for all the love, peace and happiness. How's that working out? It can't help it if people sold out. Yeah, it's true. It's like the Clintons. Weren't they love, peace and aren't they of your era? Oh yeah, they're right from that crowd. Yeah. Asswipes. Yeah, well just send us your cash. Whatever you do.

CHAPTER 10 / 45 Discussion

High-Frequency Trading, Flash Crash Regulation

The New York Times reports on potential crackdowns on rapid computerized stock trading following the "flash crash." The hosts suggest that these high-frequency trading mechanisms, used by firms like Goldman Sachs, are currently propping up the market. They predict a market collapse if these systems are restricted.

new york times· goldman sachs· flash crash· high-frequency trading· stock market

25:49 So, um, interesting. Well, you know, by the way, there is a, uh, I hate to mention this, but I have yet to completely cancel the New York Times. I thought you already canceled it. Oh, well, it keeps coming back like bad Mexican food. So, uh, I want to mention since we brought this up, uh, the Wall Street, they all don't can't blame them. There's a front page story in today's New York Times that I think is, you know, even though this is a cycle, these collapses, this is the one that's going to bring, this is my prediction, this is what's going to bring the market to a halt. And it's the front page, left hand side, top story, clamping down on rapid trades and stock market. Reply to a flash crash. Computerized system said to distort prices around the globe. So they're going, you know, this is the flash trading mechanism. We talked about it before.

26:40 Yeah, I've actually seen the code that does it. You have some of the code and it's, you know, Goldman Sachs uses it and it's used a lot and I think it's, personally, I think it's what's propping up the market. Interesting. And so when you pull the plug on this scam, you're going to end up, the market's going to collapse. You know, it's interesting you say that and I think it's the setup is there. There was a, you know, a Jeremy Paxman on the BBC who does Newsnight, who I like. I think he's pretty cool, although he probably comes across a lot dumber than he is. He had, of course, you know, the BBC has to propagate. It seems like it's a controlled demolition. You know, this is the WTC7 of our time, is we're going to bring down all the markets.

27:33 And the only way, I think what I've been saying is the only way that any of this is going to be stopped is if we completely give all political power to Brussels and the European Union, because that of course is the new Lehman Brothers. And they have this shill on from the IMF, a former Clinton advisor and IMF director, I think Shapiro, along with some Lord Muckety-Muck. And well, they're basically just propagating the meme and saying... Shapiro, wasn't she the one that was the head of enforcement during the Madoff era? No, it's a guy. It's a guy. No, he was more the Clinton era. So they're basically setting it up. And once again, just like that, you know, because this is what the BBC is doing.

CHAPTER 11 / 45 Discussion

European Sovereign Debt Crisis, Global Banking Meltdown

BBC's Newsnight features experts warning of a sovereign debt meltdown in Europe within weeks if credible action is not taken. The crisis is predicted to spread from smaller banks to major institutions in Germany, France, and the UK. The hosts interpret the alarmist rhetoric as a push for a "one world government" managed from Brussels.

bbc· newsnight· jeremy paxman· imf· sovereign debt· european union· 2008 financial crisis

26:40 Yeah, I've actually seen the code that does it. You have some of the code and it's, you know, Goldman Sachs uses it and it's used a lot and I think it's, personally, I think it's what's propping up the market. Interesting. And so when you pull the plug on this scam, you're going to end up, the market's going to collapse. You know, it's interesting you say that and I think it's the setup is there. There was a, you know, a Jeremy Paxman on the BBC who does Newsnight, who I like. I think he's pretty cool, although he probably comes across a lot dumber than he is. He had, of course, you know, the BBC has to propagate. It seems like it's a controlled demolition. You know, this is the WTC7 of our time, is we're going to bring down all the markets.

27:33 And the only way, I think what I've been saying is the only way that any of this is going to be stopped is if we completely give all political power to Brussels and the European Union, because that of course is the new Lehman Brothers. And they have this shill on from the IMF, a former Clinton advisor and IMF director, I think Shapiro, along with some Lord Muckety-Muck. And well, they're basically just propagating the meme and saying... Shapiro, wasn't she the one that was the head of enforcement during the Madoff era? No, it's a guy. It's a guy. No, he was more the Clinton era. So they're basically setting it up. And once again, just like that, you know, because this is what the BBC is doing.

28:15 Just like that so-called traitor that everyone got all freaked out about now now they're bringing these guys on and they're actually going like oh really Oh, this sounds very bleak. Oh We're so surprised if if they if they cannot address this in a credible way I believe within perhaps two to three weeks We will have a meltdown in sovereign debt which will produce a meltdown across the European banking system we're not just talking about a a relatively small Belgian bank. We're talking about the largest banks in the world, the largest banks in Germany, the largest banks in France. That will spread, it will spread to the United Kingdom in part through sovereign debt problems in Ireland. It will spread everywhere because the global financial system is so interconnected

29:01 They are each counter, all those banks are counter parties to every significant bank in the United States and in Britain and in Japan and around the world. This would be a crisis that would be, in my view, more serious than the crisis in 2008. Yay, yay for global government! Is he exaggerating, Lord Biles? Yay for global government! Yay for one world government! Now they're bringing Lord Muckety-Muck. A more cheerful complexion, but we're on the verge of a perfect storm. A number of European countries cannot raise money. Banks are therefore increasingly worried about the default. Therefore people won't lend money to banks and therefore banks won't lend money to business. So something has to be done and has to be done substantially across the whole of Europe. If you do it individually, country by country, you should simply shift

CHAPTER 12 / 45 Discussion

Bank Recapitalization, V for Vendetta Imagery

Jeremy Paxman and guests discuss the "political will" needed to recapitalize European banks using taxpayer funds. The hosts argue this is a transfer of wealth from citizens to financial institutions. They also note the prevalence of V for Vendetta masks at protests and the frequent airing of the film on cable television.

bank recapitalization· italy· spain· taxpayers· v for vendetta· guy fawkes mask

29:51 the focus from one country or one bank to another. That's why in October 2008 we obliged all the major UK banks to increase their capitalization. So it's pretty interesting how they're doing this where of course it is one world government as you point out and oh yes, it's so great we all Glommed it together. This is the part. There's the problem works, but now they're saying the only way we can solve it is by one world government and all getting together and making a good here this is 40 seconds Because Jeremy Paxman would like war What needs to happen right now what needs to happen right now John what needs to happen right now? I think we need the political will

30:34 a political will of this perfect storm. A very significant agreement across Europe to recapitalise the banks. This problem can be solved, Jeremy. It's within the wit of man to do it. It's within the wit of man! The wit! How's your wit doing? Can I take some of your wit? Because I think if we use your wit, John, we can solve the problem. So I mean if unless I'm crazy they're saying everyone needs to pitch in to save the banks. Well doesn't that mean all the slaves have to... Taxpayers. Yeah. More taxes to do. Pony up some money. I mean you know like yeah I got here some of my wit. No it's gonna be your pounds. It's going to be your euros. It's gonna be real money that they're basically saying the only this we talked about this for weeks. This is exactly what was predicted. Cross it out of the book. It's here.

31:23 And all the laws and all the taxes all going to Brussels. It requires the political will of Europe's leaders to agree a program as soon as possible. Come on my wits. And thus far we haven't seen it have we? No, I mean they're talking in more urgent terms about the plan for the plan, but we haven't got the plan yet. Where's the plan for the plan? John have you seen the plan for the plan or is that still in the planning stage? I think there's a plan for it being released. We need the plan for the meeting notes. We need to get that now. Thank you all very much indeed. We really need two things. Wait he wasn't done yet. Hey hey there's still a p... I still got a script at my sides.

31:58 Look, I didn't study these lines for nothing. Let me finish. I came on your satellite to read my prompter. Very quickly. We need not only to recapitalize the banks, even more crucially, we have to come up with a credible plan to preserve the stability of the sovereign debt of Italy and Spain. No, we don't. Screw them. We just got to go down. It's all got to go down and we all have to stop paying taxes. And that'll be easy to do, by the way. That won't be such a hard protest because you won't have any money to pay taxes. Yeah, that's true. You get below that certain minimum. I'm sure a lot of the people that are protesting in the streets over in Los Angeles there aren't taxpayers. Oh no, completely broke.

32:45 A lot of V for Vendetta masks though. It's good. It always looks good. It always does. It's a good-looking mask. And by the way... It has a certain creepy quality that you can't put your finger on. Have you noticed that V for Vendetta is playing on cable a lot? No, I didn't notice this. Oh yeah, of course. Hey, hey! Let's have a programming meeting. Look at the grid. What's on the grid? Wipe it clean. We need to put V for Vendetta on. The kids love it. The masks are a hit! Yeah, they are quite awesome, I have to say. Before we get into thanking some of our producers who clocked in today to help us out, John, I do think we have to go to the most emailed subject of the week. It's Drone Nation time. Don't you mean Donation Time? He means Adam's got another story about drones. I'm sure you saw this one emailed to you quite a lot and tweeted

CHAPTER 13 / 45 Discussion

Drone System Virus, National Cybersecurity Awareness Month

Wired reports that a computer virus has infected the cockpits of U.S. Predator and Reaper drones, logging pilot keystrokes. The hosts suggest this news was planted to coincide with National Cybersecurity Awareness Month. They note that encryption on drone links is often disabled to prevent system lag.

predator drone· reaper drone· wired magazine· computer virus· cybersecurity· robert gates

33:46 about the virus in the drone system. Virus in the drone system! So, and of course, whenever something breaks on wired, you know it's a plant. Okay, so headline computer virus has infected the cockpits of America's predator and Reaper drones logging pilots every keystroke as they remotely fly missions over Afghanistan and other war zones And I've got a picture of what it actually looks like something I might have built if I wanted to create a war room out of wood You know they've got little monitors hung up, and I love how those aren't those the pilot rooms in the trailers I

34:28 I don't know if it's a trailer, but it looks like it's made of wood. But yeah, it's the pilot's room, exactly. And they're wearing flight suits just so you know they're pilots. That is the ludicrous part about it. They did a special on 60 Minutes about these guys and they were wearing flight suits. Yeah, because you gotta know that they're real pilots. And so, first of all, there's a couple of reasons why this news was planted, because that's what it is. And no one has even remotely suggested that to me, which once again is a huge disappointment. But first of all, we have to understand that it is National Cybersecurity Awareness Month. We have to start right there as proclaimed by President Obama. So, by the way, John, happy National Cybersecurity Awareness Month to you.

35:16 Well, happy cyber security, what? Cyber security awareness month. Happy cyber security awareness to everyone in the US of A. So I have a couple of insiders in these drone programs, sysadmins once again. And so here's what came back to me. First of all, The encryption link between these flight suited jockeys and the drones themselves are often turned off. And you can receive this. Remember the guy had video? The interceptor? Yeah, some guy had tapped into one of these things and was looking at the video coming back. Yeah, now they turn off encryption a lot apparently because it gets in the way and it doesn't work really well. It slows down. It slows it down. Because encryption is too harsh. Exactly, so it slows it down.

CHAPTER 14 / 45 Discussion

Defense Contract Wars, Ted Stevens Death Theory

The hosts discuss a battle for drone contracts between BAE Systems and Alaska Native corporations. They suggest the late Senator Ted Stevens was targeted because he removed contract limits for these preferred Alaskan vendors. The segment also covers the psychological toll on drone pilots, citing a 60 Minutes report on operators experiencing trauma while living in domestic suburbs.

bae systems· alaska native corporations· ted stevens· military industrial complex· 60 minutes· ptsd

36:06 But the big thing, the big reason for this is the drone programs, which by the way, as per Robert Gates, is the only, I think the only part of the defense budget which is not allowed to get cut because let's face it, it's a bonanza. This is where everyone's going into drones. The contracts are up next month. So the contra... Yes. So we have BAE, the British Aerospace... What does the E stand for? BAE, British Aerospace guys, up against, and this will actually explain... I think we talked about this before, this will help explain Ted Stevens' apparent death by airplane crash.

36:53 against the Alaska, the Native American Alaskan companies. The main one being, I think it's NJSV, I think it is. Let me just look it up here for a second. Because these Native American companies, they are preferred vendors to the government. The ones from Alaska. We talked about this, right? No. Yeah, we did. You just don't remember particularly. No, not about drones. Yeah, and it's particularly in specifically drones because I remember we were talking about it's not the predators, it's the Reapers, it's the Reaper drones. So you've got the NJSV, I think is the name of the company. They are the ones that have the preferred status over the contract. They're running a lot of these contracts. And of course, when the contracts come up for renegotiation, for rebid, they have the upper hand. So there's either two things that's going on.

37:53 is, oh, yeah, we've got all kinds of hackers, it's National Cyber Security Awareness Month, and we need more money to secure it, more money, more money. Or it's the Brits coming in saying, those guys suck, they can't even keep their keyboard login secure. So this is a total war inside the military industrial complex just to get either more money for an existing contract or to steal the contract away from a competitor. It's nothing else. There would be no reason to let this leak out via Wired. So don't be duped by this. This is only going to get more money into this bonanza, absolute bonanza of defense contracting. And by the way, I also heard a lot of these guys who are flying these drones, like almost half of them are going insane.

38:50 Like literally, like my sysadmin friends are saying these guys are freaking out because you know, you're playing around, you're flying your drone, you shoot it down and then you look at the bits of human being that you've blown up there in the sand thousands of miles away. You go home and eventually you go, hey, wait a minute, dude, I just blew someone up. Yeah, and these guys are going a little disconcerting. Yeah, these guys are going insane. I think it was on 60 Minutes and they had the guys, you know, he was like, he thought it was weird anyway because he lived in Nevada and he was working out of those trailers like the ones you see in the picture and he would be blowing people up and then he'd go home and have a nice dinner with the wife and kids. Yeah. You know, in his suburb. Steak.

39:31 nice raw steak. And it was just so weird because he had to turn himself on and off, he's at war, wait a minute, then he's at home in Nevada and then he's at war. And I think it probably... And a lot of these people aren't... take a look at the... at that job. And a lot of these people aren't necessarily military people, they're contractors brought in to do the job. Anyway, so Ted Stevens was the guy who removed the limitation on these Alaskan Native American companies. It used to be 20 million dollar contracts was the limit. That they would get almost like in non-bid and he removed that which of course made him extremely unpopular with other other fractions within the military industrial complex So that's probably why they got rid of him well, but it's it's it's It's sad that's why I had don't drone me, bro. I

CHAPTER 15 / 45 Discussion

Executive Producer Donations, 9-10-11 Date Significance

Victor Gonzalez contributes $910.11, a number representing the date October 9, 2011, in the European format. The hosts realize they missed the significance of the 9-10-11 sequence. Wiley Harp also contributes $350 toward his knighthood. The hosts grant "de-douching" and karma to the donors.

victor gonzalez· wiley harp· donations· italy· knighthood· karma

40:26 Only a couple guys got it. I was like, hmm? Isn't that good? Yeah, that's the kind of sorry state of affairs that we are trying to change. And in fact, pretty much all we got this show is loose change. So let's go on and thank our executive producers for show 246. It begins with a couple of checks came in the mail. One from Victor Gonzalez. You always pull this trick on me. Whenever the numbers are low on the spreadsheet, you're like, yeah, but I got some checks from the PO box.

41:07 Yeah, well this check came in specifically for today. 3-4-6? Yeah, well for the following reason which I'll read. It's $910.11. Wow! This donation is for... this is kind of... this is very irksome by the way when you... when you analyze it because we missed... missed it big time. And this is of course... this is a European... numbering system but even though the guys in Houston this donation is for Sunday show on October 9th 2011 thanks for the work you all do in the effort you put in the show it's great now obviously this and obviously this and much more whatever I found your show after it had started but listened back from show one I've been a listener and boner since then your podcast series

41:56 See that's can't read that word of great company during travel. Oh, it's great. It's a great. It's something he uses when he works in and jogs English It's a written in handwritten letter. Alright. On top of that is the last best source of information out there, the real news. Please de-douche me and send me some karma. Give him a double. Yeah, absolutely. You've been de-douched. You've got karma. Wow. So of course the number here is 9-10-11. Hello? Yeah, are we idiots or what? stupid American date system the whole world does it the other way around. When it was 9, 10, 11 we could have done it back then too on September 10th. Now that is annoying was it was that a show day? Well it wasn't a show day but it was. But yeah we could have. No because we did the show on September 11th so it was just before the September 11th show. It was a Friday or something like that yeah.

42:52 Anyway, he says he needs a deducing because to explain to his wife where the money is going. We're celebrating today our seventh wedding anniversary and it may take me seven more years to add the remaining to get night to knighthood which is like 90 bucks. Oh my goodness. Well so please send us some karma as we have embarked on family, new family, into some family and work related changes in the near future. Ciao from Gitmo Nation Bunga Bunga. Oh! He is apparently in Italy which is why he came up with the 9-10-11 which is the Italian version. That is so incredibly kind. October 9th, 2011 in most of Europe is 9-10-11. That's the 9-10-11. Again, like I said... That is annoying that we missed that. Over our heads. Yeah. It went completely like, whoa, what's that? 9-10-11 just flew by. There goes the lucky number. Also, and he'll be the executive producer for today's show along with Wiley Harp.

CHAPTER 16 / 45 Discussion

Producer Credits, No Agenda PR Initiatives

Additional donations are acknowledged from Eric Hockel, James Howard, and Mark Wilson. Adam Curry discusses using domain names like "Rick Perry Sucks" and "Drone Nation" for PR. New domains "Drone Airways" and "Occupy the Streets" are announced as forwards to the show's website.

eric hockel· james howard· mark wilson· paypal· rick perry· drone nation

43:52 Salt Lake City, Utah 350 bucks decided to be a boner not a donor been listening to the show I don't know a donor a donor. He said to be a bow That's most of our listeners yeah For quite some time about six months requesting a D dose Sheen I Love a D douching So he's considered as a down payment for knighthood. And then we have one that came in, I don't know if it came in, Eric Hockel, I think, H-O-C-E, I think, because these came in with some characters that didn't show up on the spreadsheet properly. When will PayPal get their act together? It sucks. Anyway, it's $222.22. And finally, a donation from... Oh, I'm sorry, there's a couple other ones. Hold on. I have all these notes around here.

44:54 I want to thank James Howard and I have to dig up, I can't find his note actually. James Howard came in with $345.67 so he'll be a executive producer. Nice. Credit him next week. And then finally from Scotland, Mark Wilson came in with $200 in pounds. I'm a student... So basically whatever he found beneath the couch he sent off to us and it became $200. Right. I'm a student and I just thought I'd drop a line to say that No Agenda is the best podcast in the world. I'd like to ask for a de-douching and Karm another double. Yeah, absolutely. You've been de-douched. You've got...

45:43 I love it when students check in that's so they don't have to do that just learn and become a better world leader But thank you anyway. No we I think it's good for them and That will be our executive producers for show three four five fourth three four six want to thank everybody who's who donated in at that level also You can go to know agenda show comm to work org slash na no agenda nation comm and find donation buttons there long along with the donation button on no agenda show calm and of course the wonderful slave t-shirt which I also wore yesterday another thing people look at me like selling out of these shirts by the way oh yeah well we I think I told you we got the new cut right we talked about the new cut of the shirt yeah but people I have was wearing that yesterday and people look at me like hmm slave it wasn't like people like hey man that's a great shirt I need that we're all slaves not like

46:36 Can I be 99% slave, please? That would actually... How about Eric the shill? Make 99% slave t-shirts. Those will sell like hotcakes. It's not you can't be a hundred percent. Yeah, or org slash and a just a couple of PR initiatives in this case today all Domain name forwards forwarding to know agenda show calm of course very handy I used drone nation calm on my sign at Occupy Wall Street, LA But when I was in Texas talking to people I just said hey Rick Perry sucks calm. Oh great. Oh

47:12 I said adios mofos calm. Oh, yeah great. So they won't forget that there's tons of them You can go to domains dot na show notes calm and find one that suits your particular milieu Occupy the streets calm is now forwarding to the show, which is nice It's set up for I guess get my nation lowlands But other countries including this one these get my nation of United States blow my car org for those of you have alcohol interlock You can blow my car org get drone calm Which we now have the trifecta. I think was droned got droned and get droned calm and then Sir, Kelly Sponberg, of course, he heard the call out and John you and I are now the proud owners and operators of drone airways calm. Oh good Yeah, and dot CA so we can have a Canadian subsidiary

CHAPTER 17 / 45 Discussion

Next-Gen Flight System, FAA Software Delays

The Federal Aviation Administration's program to replace air traffic control with satellite technology is reportedly delayed due to software issues at Raytheon. The hosts characterize the billion-dollar project as a way to funnel money to the military-industrial complex without achieving completion until at least 2014.

faa· raytheon· air traffic control· satellite technology· software problems· defense spending

48:07 You too soon will fly without a pilot. Gotta love it. Everyone else out there, there is something you can do to help us if you are still a boner and not a donor, is you can propagate the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order. You're wearing the shirt, you should say it loudly now. Shut up, Slade. What about the bomb I want to thank everybody so you know so I listen to like I didn't five it didn't get a lot of clips today because I didn't find a lot of stuff going on and C-span that I didn't clip a lot and then I look back and now this is not this boring so I actually the clips I have I actually cut down I had that too I watched two and a half hours of the next-gen flight system hoping to get some nuggets about drones yeah

49:06 And what I did what I did learn is that? Erram erram which of course means something else in our world, but erram stands for The hell's it stand for well anyway. It's it's the platform on which all this is going to be built Already a billion dollars into it. Oh, we're nowhere near completion. It's it won't happen until 2014 another contractor bullcrap Here, Business Week had the... Federal Aviation Administration's program to replace the current air traffic control system with a system based on satellite technology is being held back by software problems that have delayed as Raytheon. Software problems? I'm sorry, man, we got some software problems. Just more money being sucked out of your wit to go to the military-industrial complex. But I did get two clips. Count them.

CHAPTER 18 / 45 Discussion

Robert Mueller, Homegrown Terrorism Threats

FBI Director Robert Mueller testifies before the Homeland Security Committee regarding threat streams from Al-Qaeda and the Pakistani Taliban (TTP). Mueller emphasizes the danger of "homegrown violent extremists" who may be radicalized over the internet. The hosts mock Mueller's newsreel-style delivery and the vague definition of radicalization.

robert mueller· fbi· al-qaeda· ttp· homegrown extremists· internet radicalization

50:01 From the Homeland Security, the intelligence committee hearing. Did you see that one with Mueller and the other guy, the counterintelligence guy, the lawyer? I was watching, I watched part of it but I didn't get any clips. I got two. Well, it was in the second half, so maybe you didn't make it all the way through. Yeah, probably didn't watch the whole thing. They're relatively short. This is Mueller, FBI director who was put in place in July of 2001. And of course, by law, you're only supposed to hold, you can't hold that slot for longer than 10 years. But since the guy knows so much about, I guess, 9-11, which came only months after he was put into the position,

50:44 And he did such a great job in his new job that President Obama thought he should have an extended term So the guy is still in there and then he'll be in forever. We're looking at the next Jad go Yeah, and an arrogant prick to boot as you know we continue to track current threat streams from al-qaeda We did during the weeks leading up to the 10th anniversary of September 11th Other groups from the Qatar region such as TTP now who's TTP? I hear a lot about the new guys. TTP I believe is another, I can look it up, but it's one of the, there's about 10 of these and they're all with initials like that, Pakistani based terrorist operations. TTP. It's like TTP, Kabob, Shabab, everyone's all an affiliate of Al Qaeda, they're working together. Have similarly shown the intent to target the United States. We saw this when TTP claimed responsibility for the Times Square attempted bombing.

51:41 I didn't know that. This is Tariq-e-Taliban Pakistan. This is the Students Movement of Pakistan. The Students? Well, that's what they call it. The Students on Al-Qaeda? The L.E.T. is the one that seems to be more dangerous than the... Didn't talk about that for the whole hour and a half. That's weird. ...main concern that all these groups encourage radicalized Westerners, particularly U.S. citizens, to travel overseas for training with the potential to return to the United States to conduct an attack. Of course the threat from homegrown violent extremists is among our most serious terrorism threats today. Individuals may be radicalized over the internet. I love how he says that. Do you hear the cadence of him saying that? Individuals may be radicalized over the internet. He sounds like one of those old time movie newsreel announcers. Walter Winchell. Is that who the guy is? The guy's talking like this. Individuals may be radicalized over the internet. Round 10.

52:38 Individuals may be radicalized around the internet. Violent extremists are among our most serious terrorism threats today. Individuals may be radicalized over the internet, and even if they don't receive direct guidance or training from a terrorist group, these individuals may have come from diverse backgrounds and life experiences. Like the technology industries living in Berkeley or in Los Angeles, California, they could be radicalized over the internet. As well, they may have differing motives. Increasingly, they may act alone. And for these reasons, homegrown violent extremists are harder to detect and disrupt. And the FBI, along with our partners, is focused more than ever on this threat.

53:24 As I say, the overall threat environment has evolved significantly since September 11th. And this requires the FBI and all of our partners to change and adapt constantly to address these threats. So what was interesting, and I have one more clip about Section 215 of the Patriot Act, what was interesting is they continuously talk about this balance. The balance between our security and our rights. Doesn't that mean, I mean, there is no balance to be had. There's this set of rules and there's what you can do without violating those rules. But they keep talking about the balance which to me means they keep creeping up, which of course we know they do.

CHAPTER 19 / 45 Discussion

FBI Mandate, Security Contractor Redundancy

The hosts question why the FBI is focused on international terrorism rather than domestic financial crimes like Ponzi schemes. They discuss the lack of coordination between the FBI and Homeland Security. Reference is made to a New York Times report on the massive, redundant network of private security contractors on the government payroll.

fbi· cia· homeland security· 9/11 commission· security contractors· new york times

54:03 And since when is the FBI concerned with Al Qaeda? Isn't that the CIA's job? Aren't these guys supposed to like investigate Ponzi schemes and Archer Daniel Midlands and you know Rico fraud? Since when are these guys all of a sudden now Homeland Security Al Qaeda guys? I don't understand. What is the mandate of the FBI? This was brought up in another series of Kind of a weird show that was on C-SPAN that had all the 9-11 commissioners seated. This has been disbanded since 2004, but apparently there's an organization that kind of brings them back together for further meetings. And they discuss this. For more threatening, don't you dare tell the truth. Now remember what we wrote down. One of the things that they mention is there is no

54:59 point man for the for for what the what you're hearing the FBI guy go on and on about they don't know should the FBI have this should this should the Homeland Security do this work I mean who should be doing this work well they're all competing that that's what I'm here that's what they're doing they're all competing and they're not talking to each other as usual and so you know you end up with a bunch of and not to mention the fact that there's 10,000 of these little operations that are contractors in the entire United States you know where every about one in 10 people I think have worked for a security company some way, shape or form or a spy agency. And they don't even know who each other is. I mean, remember that report that came out in the New York Times where they started looking into this and they were just finding these hordes and hordes of these contractors, they're all on the dole, you're doing redundant work. Well, they're not on the dole. The dole is something else. That's welfare. They're all on the payroll.

CHAPTER 20 / 45 Discussion

Patriot Act Section 215, Roving Wiretaps

FBI officials defend Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which allows the government to seize commercial records to "paint a picture" of potential terrorists. The justification for roving wiretaps is based on the ease of swapping SIM cards. The hosts argue these measures are a direct violation of constitutional rights against illegal search and seizure.

patriot act· section 215· fbi· roving wiretaps· sim cards· fourth amendment

55:54 Yeah, well, in reality it's a dole. It is a government payout program, true. So then let's just hear justification for violating United States citizens' rights and how great Section 215 is of the Patriot Act. And I think that we discussed this several months ago when the Patriot Act was re-upped by President George W. Obama. Section 215, it's all legalese, however you want to interpret it. And they interpret particularly the right to grab records as the bonanza. And this basically means that any records of you held by any commercial interest or entity anywhere can be seized by the government, in this case, as the FBI talking. And that, of course, is really illegal search and seizure.

56:51 And a complete violation of rights, but it's great according to this douchebag. They're essential, I would say some are more essential than others. 215 for instance, the ability to obtain records where 215 really gives us the only access to obtain the records that are necessary to paint a picture of a potential terrorist. Oh, it's just to paint a picture.

57:31 Don't worry. I just need to paint a picture. Just give me the records. I'm only painting a picture the roving wiretap we've had any for any number of years in the criminal side of the house and In this day and age where you can dispose of cell phones and SIM cards Excuse me. What network are you on? Really? Are you on AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile? You can't just go like discarding your SIM card. What, do you guys have your phone unlocked? This is bullcrap. Within a matter of minutes, I change numbers and the like. It's essential to be able to swiftly move to the new number as opposed to having to draft another application and go back to a court. Okay, so what he's saying here is the reason why he has to be able to have roving wiretaps, which means we can listen to you anytime we want, shut up slave, because it's so easy to swap SIM cards. And so the roving wiretap was important.

58:32 uh... as both of us i think uh... you have a emphasized uh... agree that one of the greatest concerns now or alone actors loan walls while we have not in the past had to utilize that statute my expectation is that we'll be in the future as persons are being radicalized on the internet may not be part of a formal terrorist group but it's somebody that uh... a foreign person not an american citizen whom we need to Utilize our intelligence resources to investigate that will be instrumental great. Thank you very much. Thank you very much That's great, so that's the meme I mean you hear it over and over and over again. You won't say radicalized It's always radicalized on the internet on the internet. Yeah, right. I'll get right You can't get radicalized in a mosque not from up not from a flyer or a pamphlet

59:17 You can't get radicalized by a book, you can't get radicalized by a newspaper, you can't get radicalized by a temple or a mosque, you can't get radicalized at a meeting, but you get radicalized by the internet. Maybe it's time for new t-shirts, radicalized on the internet and proud of it, with a big target on the back. I want to keep the operation in business. Yeah, radicalized on the internet. Well anyway, disgusting. And let me just check and see, where are the news reports on this? Oh gee, none. None. It's just accepted fact. The fact of the matter is, they've got homegrown terrorists. And it's like, you know, it's like they're OccupyWallStreet.com, she said, dot com, which should be dot org.

CHAPTER 21 / 45 Discussion

David Headley, Mumbai Attacks Investigation

The 9/11 Commission Redux discusses David Headley, a Chicago-based terrorist who helped plan the Mumbai attacks. Headley was revealed to be a former DEA informant, leading to speculation about his ties to the CIA. The hosts question the logic of the ISI using an American operative to scout targets in India and compare Headley to other "mind-controlled" figures.

david headley· mumbai attacks· dea informant· cia· isi· pakistan· india

1:00:11 It's, uh, you know, it's like the Unabomber's manifesto. Radicalize on the... These people have been radicalized on the internet. It is time to shoot a drone on them. You're talking about lone wolves and radicalized on the internet. Do you remember David Headley? Yeah, of course I remember David Headley. I beat him at poker. No, he was, um, he was the shoe bomber. No. Oh, then I'm wrong. Who was David Headley? Well, you know, I don't think we talked about it much. In fact, I don't think we talked about it at all because this all came to light after, long after. Remember the Mumbai attacks that killed 168 people? Oh, right. They went from one guy to another saying, are you an American? Yeah, boom. Yes, right. Yeah, he was the guy that actually set up that false flag in Mumbai, wasn't he? Supposedly. Play the 9-11 Commission Redux 1. Oh, you watch some good stuff. I watch all the crap on C-SPAN.

1:01:08 and a radical, self-radicalized or a cell in the United States that is undetected and can pull off a catastrophic event here. Now, several months ago we had something that almost combined both. There was a person by the name of David Headley who was a terrorist living in Chicago who could travel between India, Pakistan and the United States seamlessly and he was the guy that planned, helped plan the attacks on Mumbai. Those attacks killed 177 people in Mumbai two years ago, six Americans were killed, and they almost started a war between Pakistan and India that might have resulted in some kind of a nuclear war.

1:01:56 so this this self radicalization issue is a critically important one it's one we didn't look up a lot at but i think lee and tom have pointed to the answer it is designating a lead agency here in the united states is responsible for whether cfb i a homeland security and having spent the last couple years abroad i would do that i would say that you know tom's five years now these self radicalized people can train themselves on the internet. A five-year time frame is now down to sometimes months before they can be radicalized. It's because of the broadband. You can radicalize much faster. We need more broadband. So anyway, I'm looking into this, this kind of screwed me up. You know, this is typical, you get into this. So you read about it. Actually, there's a good article in the Wikipedia about David Headley. Yeah, I'm reading it. He was apparently a stooge for the Drug Enforcement Administration. He was an informant at the time.

1:02:49 And then I and there's some thought thoughts that he is a CIA guy with the CIA came out with a huge Statement these guys got nothing to do with the CIA now They're talking about you know sell you know lone wolf and what to look for and we're gonna tap everybody's phone But meanwhile they got this guy David Coleman Headley, formerly his real name is Dawood Sayyad Jilani who changed his Pakistan name to a classic American name but I guess nobody noticed this. And so he was sent supposedly by the ISI out of Pakistan. Now tell me this isn't a bull crap story. He was sent to India as this American to scope out various targets for this attack, for the Mumbai attack.

1:03:36 And so he went from place to place and then apparently he did this for some other places too. He was like the location guy. But is it logical for anyone, this is like me saying to some, like you say, let's blow up a restaurant in Las Vegas. I want that. And how are we gonna, which one are we gonna do? How do you think we're gonna do it? Well, I got a guy in France. I'm gonna send him to Las Vegas and he's gonna figure it out for us. You're right next door in Pakistan. Pakistanis are all over India. India's got plenty of Muslims floating around. Why can't they find their own target? Why do they have this guy come from Chicago to find this thing? This is a dubious, dubious story. And then if you take a look at his photos, David Headley, H-E-A-D-L-E-Y, hit images on Google and look at this guy. This guy is a chameleon.

1:04:30 You know, yeah, what I heard is that he is mind-controlled and that there's a lot of comparisons between him and Breivik, the guy who shot up, allegedly shot up all those kids on the island in Oslo. That these are kind of these drugged out, mind-controlled wackos that the CIA mainly controls. Well, there's some possibility. I'm not going along with this 100%, but as you know, but he got involved as an informant for the DEA because of a drug conviction. So that he's kind of the lead in.

1:05:10 So anyway, this kind of stuff is just surrounding us and I find it extremely annoying. But anyway, this comes out in the... I just thought it would be worth revisiting this character. Totally. And if you start looking at his Wikipedia page, what you want to do is go down to the references and you start reading through the references of all the different stories about him, all kind of buried here and there. But it's a very sketchy, sketchy character and I don't even know where how soon we forget to John like remember that what that was like pretty big like they killed they killed 60 people it was a hundred sixty-eight people I was more than that and it's just like ah whatever

CHAPTER 22 / 45 Discussion

Saudi Wahhabist Network, Mosque Funding

A commission member identifies the Saudi Wahhabist network as the "500-pound elephant in the room," noting that 80% of U.S. mosques receive Saudi funding. The discussion highlights that 9/11 hijackers received aid from Saudi-funded institutions. The hosts criticize the U.S. government for failing to address Saudi Arabia's role in promoting Islamist extremism.

saudi arabia· wahhabism· mosques· king fahd mosque· anwar al-awlaki· pakistan

1:05:49 Next. And they're blaming the ISI. This may be part of the, you know, that whole movement to screw up our relationship with Pakistan so we can, you know, go in there and steal their atom bomb, which is of course what we put on our Red Book years ago. And then we had that other douchebag, the CIA guy who we bought out. Remember he killed two civilians? Right in Pakistan. Yeah for some and that's never been fully explained So anyway, so so this this they brought it up in this in this meeting but the one that came up next which is nobody really wants to address and and these guys seem to have these ex-commissioned members and

1:06:32 Seem to have a bunch of different grudges that they've I think each one of them has their own kind of agenda But we play clip two we hear another one this guy counters the lone wolf thing and he gets to the heart of the matter I think self radicalization is the wrong term. There's a 500 pound elephant in the room kind of small elephant, but Supposed to be a gorilla you idiot and that is the Saudi Wahhabist network of mosques and schools that are preaching a very austere puritanical and Islamist point of view. 80% of the mosques and Muslim schools in this country get most of their funding from Saudi Arabia.

1:07:21 We found, as many of you who watched and read the report watched the TV, there were many of the hijackers were given aid and assistance by the King Fahd Mosque and other Saudi funded mosques around the country. They were helped in the training at one point. The wife of the Saudi ambassador personally wrote checks to two of them. They run a network of 400 schools around the world. that preach a very Islamist point of view and there's no alternative. And as Ambassador Romer made the point during one of the hearings, it would take at the time less than one day's operations costs in Iraq to fund a secular school to match every Saudi funded school in Pakistan.

1:08:22 We haven't done any of that. We haven't worked with any of the more secular Islamic countries to build schools, to give parents an alternative to the hatred and the intolerance that they're being taught in these Saudi funded schools. Nor, to my knowledge, And you're closer, I know in the Bush administration, never was that issue ever raised with the Saudi Arabian government. I'm so sick and tired of this. I'm really sick and tired of it. There is no threat. There's no threat. We're the threat. We're going out there and we're throwing bombs on brown people in deserts. Sick and tired of it.

CHAPTER 23 / 45 Discussion

Ron Paul Straw Poll, Media Marginalization

Ron Paul wins the Values Voter straw poll, but the hosts note the media's continued efforts to marginalize him. They observe that C-SPAN refers to him as a "presidential candidate" while Fox News calls him a "congressman" or "kook." Adam Curry mentions he registered as a Republican specifically to vote for Paul in the primary.

ron paul· mitt romney· rick perry· mormonism· values voter straw poll· c-span· fox news

1:09:12 I gotta go back to Wall Street. You gotta get back to the tent. Yeah, I mean, it's... I'm really... And you'd have a... I think your tent wouldn't stink. No, Miss Mickey keeps my tent clean. But it's... I'm just... Occupy Wall Street people, this is what you have to understand. We are the terrorists. We're terrorizing people everywhere. Not you and me, not my brothers and sisters. These douchebags, elitist douchebags, military, contractors, politicians. God, it makes me so angry. We've got to stop this. We really have to stop this. Ron Paul won the straw poll.

1:09:55 of was it wasn't a state straw poll this time it was it was there was that Christian meeting that took place where the I was I can't remember the name of the group is a big organization and their whole goal was to demean Romney by calling him a Mormon the Mormons being a cult it comes up in the conversation which became a meme yeah yeah and so because they these guys are reason rick perry's running let's make that clear is because nobody in the republican the current wants to win angelical arm of the republican party wants a mormon As president because they think Mormons are not Christian. Here's your choice, the Mormon or the moron. Which one do you want? So they'd rather have the moron. Yeah, it's the values voter straw poll. Yeah, and so they asked to take the vote, they picked Ron Paul. Yeah, yeah, it just blows me away.

1:10:47 How, you know, and the media is, they're so afraid of him. They are so afraid of him. Mimi pointed out a little thing that's getting by us. Again? When, when she, she noticed this, she said C-SPAN mentions Ron Paul, they call him presidential candidate Ron Paul. When Fox mentions Ron Paul, they call him congressman. Oh, interesting. Or kook. for sure. Yeah well they don't use kook as much as they used to. But they used to use kook the last time around but now it's not kooking. But it's like yeah you have presidential candidate Ron Paul which gives him you know which is what he is or you just you know it's congressman Ron Paul you know that guy. It was funny. This is classic I mean they really the powers that be are scared to death. Yeah.

1:11:31 Ron Paul that air to death that is so the best thing that we can do but of course the voting machines are all rigged These see-bold machine. There's the chances of a guy like that ever getting a presidency under these circumstances is zero But it's fun to watch him sweat. I like that. I like so much what he's trying to do. I really do I I registered as a Republican to vote for him. Yeah, I know it hurts. I don't want to be of any party, but you can't vote for him in the primary in California if you're not a registered Republican. So that'll show up on my record somewhere, you know, with that picture of me holding the AR-15, the assault rifle, like, Curry registered as a Republican in 2011, and look at him, here's his rifle, his website was like a manifesto!

1:12:21 He's so radical isn't he? He knew he was gonna flip out, but we didn't know when. It'll be something like assassination and you'll be the guy who did it. And the interview in the Gabers. It's like, oh, he... You might as well get the clip from me now. You know, Adam Curry was an amazing shot. Everyone was so incredibly surprised. He just clipped that out. What did his partner say? You have the clip? Yes, we have the clip. Adam Curry was an amazing shot. Hey man. I'm happy you're bread and butter, you know. You may... You may... The publicity! Yeah, but... Okay. Uh-oh. Mr. Adam Curry. Open up the door, Mr. Curry! Coming for me. By the way, Leon Panetta, you asked me about this on the last show. He was at the...

CHAPTER 24 / 45 Discussion

Leon Panetta, North Africa Military Orders

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta visits a naval air base in Sicily, boasting about the weapons available to him. Reports suggest President Obama has ordered military strikes against Syria despite a UN Security Council veto. The hosts discuss the potential for a broader conflict across Northern Africa involving drone "carpet bombing."

leon panetta· libya· syria· global hawk· barack obama· un security council

1:13:19 Signionella Naval Air Base Station in Sicily. Where apparently we also have all kinds of groovy people hanging out that we're paying for. Here's his quote, no clip of it unfortunately. Quote, obviously I have a hell of a lot more weapons available to me here than I had at the CIA he said. Although the predators aren't that bad. While he's saying this a global hawk took off in the background. Presumably on its way to Libya. I know I got more weapons Was was power crazy no no no it's nothing compared to these guys nothing at all There's reports going around that you know ever since the UN Security Council vetoed essentially the same type of action that was taken against Libya against Syria

1:14:20 Apparently, according to inside sources, President Obama has now called for lighting all of Northern Africa on fire. It's going to blow everything up. It's going to be like one big drone carpet bomb. Everything up there. And the Russian leader tells top generals, prepare for Armageddon. Where'd you get this one? Well, that's a Russian report, but this other report is from... that's Russian as well. Obama gives CIA-controlled Pentagon order for military strikes against Syria despite UN Security Council vetoing. I don't know, it's... you know, these are kind of crackpotty reports, but it wouldn't surprise me.

CHAPTER 25 / 45 Discussion

George Clooney, Lake Como Guests

George Clooney appears on Letterman and discusses high-profile guests at his Lake Como estate, including Walter Cronkite and David Gergen. The hosts find the presence of political consultant David Gergen suspicious, as he is not a traditional journalist. They speculate about the nature of these gatherings and Clooney's role as a potential "handler."

george clooney· david letterman· lake como· walter cronkite· david gergen· charlie rose

1:15:14 Within those crackpot reports there tend to be a couple of gems in there that are accurate little minor thing I like hide them for some reason well the whole talking about Italy I do have a clip. Oh, that's kind of interesting good cuz I got one too. That's kind of interesting What's your so after three and a half years and about three or four movies for some reason George Clooney Has not gone on the Letterman show because Letterman keeps grilling him about stuff that apparently he's not supposed to talk about Well, he can't come on without his handler. That other guy has to come on and help George talk. Something like that. Whatever the case was, Clooney talks about his place in Lake Como, which is a hideaway of his. And the kind of guests and visitors he gets. And I don't know about you, but it doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense who shows up and who hangs out there because

1:16:09 Well, if you play this clip you'll see what I'm... it's just kind of a creepy... and I did chop it down quite a bit. Bunga bunga parties? Is that what he's doing? Well, no, kinda, yeah, maybe, but just... it's the people that are interesting. Yeah, and how are things going in Italy? Do they still love you? You're Mr. Hollywood in Italy, right? I in some ways I am Mr. Hollywood in Italy because there aren't a whole lot of us there. But yeah I think it's going well they have not yet kicked me out. What I'm getting at here is I periodically read about gatherings you have there at your home. Yes. Tell me some of the guests who arrive there and what goes on?

1:16:53 Ask me more about Vera Farmiga's butt. We have fun groups of people that show up. Like who? Give us an example. Well, there was a period of time... You know what? I heard that Bill Murray came and spent two weeks there. He did. He's been there a couple of times. of times for the love of God Walter Cronkite stayed there Walter Cronkite yeah Walter we got Walter got a little toasty and ended up in the lake no he didn't he did yeah when you say toasty it was a little let me hear that sound again there you go he walked by us

1:17:34 And he jumped in the lake. And I use that, I use that on other newsmen when they've come to my home. Like who, for example? Well, like this summer, David Gergen came to do a story. Yes, this David Gergen. Former political presidential advisor to Nixon and to Clinton. Yes, David Gergen. Yes. Used to be on the Jim Lehrer show with the Shields. Very, very, very sophisticated journalist. And then I got Charlie Rose this summer. Charlie Rose in your new film by the way, playing himself. He does play himself very well by the way. Now let's just say for a second, tell me about Brad Pitt. Do you feel sexy in your DNA when you're with him in La Coma? That I would be invited over there and I'm not asking for an invitation.

1:18:20 and i don't drink what i have no fun not being when you do you have no fun so i know a little bit about this is all right this is using the crockford and her husband uh... and your brandy gerber and randy gerber is one of these guys who uh... what's your nightclubs or restaurants or he he owned uh... nightclubs and uh... and uh... he's married a week ago yeah yeah so the idea is that everyone goes to uh... italy to hang out with george have bunga bunga parties and get programmed by the cia who of course uh... are Controlling him. It's what it seems like yeah, oh, yeah The thing is George comes on he acts away about this and then they say what are you even doing this guy's show? Cuz it gives letterman's good curious. We had to promote the movie well He didn't promote the business you did the whole thing, but he didn't promote three other movies He just refused to do it wouldn't let him come on Letterman show he didn't promote a bunch of movies And that's what letterman went over and he's bitching about it. I

1:19:17 Maybe George is cracking under the pressure. Maybe he's... They did a little chit-chat about Sudan and all the rest of it. I didn't want to make this... It could have gone on forever, but he kept getting grilled by lettermen about this stuff and it was like... But I didn't say what is David Gergen doing? He doesn't do stories for one thing. He's a consultant. And so what's he doing there? Passing off Cindy Crawford to everyone to have a bunga bunga with. Did you see? No, you didn't. I'm sure. But I, you know, I do try once in a while to see what the the idiot human resources are watching. So I watched Dancing with the Stars and give me crap. Tell me about it. And George Clooney's ex girlfriend was on.

CHAPTER 26 / 45 Discussion

Vagina Monologues in Media, Erin Burnett CNN Debut

The hosts discuss the sudden frequent use of the word "vagina" on network television, including Parks and Recreation. CNN's Erin Burnett reports on Silvio Berlusconi's "Pussy Party" name suggestion but struggles to use the specific slang terms. The hosts mock Burnett's halting delivery and the media's "family show" censorship.

vagina· parks and recreation· erin burnett· cnn· silvio berlusconi· reuters

1:20:53 So I have two clips just to show you the id- and we'll figure out what this is about by the way. I'm not sure what it is. Parks and Recreation, which I have not seen. Several people alerted this to me and one of our producers actually sent me the clip. I'll have another drink and so will this adorable hunk of caramel to my right. Drink up Tom. I'm gonna go powder my nose amongst other things. If you know what I mean. Is she gonna powder her vagina? Really? Boy, that's lame. And then we have Aaron Burnett. Oh, your buddy. Yeah, who by the way is engaged, just got engaged to get married to an executive from Citicorp. Yeah, that's not a conflict.

1:21:42 So Erin Burnett, she apparently on CNN is not allowed to say vagina. She can't in fact she can't even use a replacement word. The word, here's the secret word, the word you will not hear in this clip is pussy. So we cover a lot of serious stories on the show but here's one that's more seriously. Business and religious leaders in Italy have called for the resignation of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi as groups across the country held protests against his government. Now Berlusconi's political party, nicknamed Forza Italia or Go Italy, is suffering record low popularity and this week the ratings agency Moody's actually downgraded the country's debt, adding to the economic pain. That is not the reason the story makes us say, seriously. No, that is because of what Berlusconi said yesterday.

1:22:39 During a meeting with his party deputies, Berlusconi joked that because of his party's terrible polling numbers and his own reputation for, shall we say, carousing, they should change the name of their party from Go Italy to something else. The new name he suggested is much too inappropriate for me to repeat on any television channel, never mind in a family show, but other members of the press have tried to describe the name of the party in English. One said, quote, it was a Reuters said, quote, a vulgar slang term for female genitalia. And then Reuters took it a step further and added, also used to describe an attractive woman. And the Telegraph, who said the meaning of the word, quote, can range from babe to crumpet to the female genitalia. Well, Berlusconi says demands for his resignation are absurd. In fact, he's so unfazed by the issue that today he's in Russia.

1:23:34 So she can't say the word pussy. I think she could have said it's a slang for vagina. What is this I can't say that then but did the question on my mind is this? Definition that she beats around the bush and by the way she seems very halting She doesn't see she's not very unrelaxed doing this show. She is not gonna. She's gonna lose. You're gonna fail She's gonna fail on this show for sure fail written all over and she's turkey jerk. She can't read she also said it's a family show really It's a noosh because her family is watching her do the show. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Seriously? Describe it. When does the word pussy describe an attractive woman? Oh, there's a pussy. Or a crumpet. What? She said, Reuters apparently said it can also be a word for crumpet. Crumpet? I don't get that. I don't know what a crumpet is. Maybe we got some, maybe it's a different word. No, no, no, no. Because I checked this with the Italianos and they say it's pussy. It was the pussy party. Well, their definition stinks.

1:24:36 Okay, anyway, that's beside the point. I like that by the way. She makes you nervous to listen to her talk. Crumpet. A thick, flat, savory cake with a soft, porous texture made from a yeast mixture cooked on a griddle and eaten toasted and buttered. Crumpet. Yeah, that sounds like it to me. Crumpet. Crumpet. Crumpet. Crumpet. It was just surprising to me. That's news people. CNN is bad. I don't know why I wind up watching it so much because I think because they're so clueless I just can't help myself. I don't watch it. I watch it, and then I can't I don't actually watch CNN as much as I watch Fox No, no, I can't watch Fox at all. Yeah, well, that's good Meanwhile boots on the ground coming soon for Libya. There's no doubt about it. This has got to happen. It's falling apart

CHAPTER 27 / 45 Discussion

Libyan Civil War, TNC Instability

Reports indicate that Qaddafi's forces are effectively resisting the Transitional National Council (TNC) on the ground. The hosts predict that Western powers will soon deploy "boots on the ground" to secure oil interests. Meanwhile, the Obama administration continues to demand that Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad step down.

libya· muammar qaddafi· transitional national council· oil companies· syria· bashar al-assad

1:25:32 As, you know, now we've got the Libyan forces, Qaddafi's forces are winning. They're kicking these jabronis' ass on the ground. And of course, you know, it's like the way it's described in news reporting as well, you know, there's some problems. There's some problems here and there. It's not going too well, you know, like the TNC can't actually function very well because, you know, people are like, oh, there's problems. You watch. Because we've got to make that place safer for the oil companies to go in and start drilling and start taking over everything and buying everything up. You know, these violent flare-ups, rivalries, warring fractions within the governments. Everyone is getting their knives out, according to the Tripoli civilian stabilization team.

1:26:27 And the Prime Minister, unelected I might add, Jabril, Juju Jabril, the educated in the United States, is deeply unpopular in the capital and other parts of Libya. Boots on the ground soon. You know, the companies who funded all this are going to be calling for it. Boots on the ground. Hey, we need some boots here. Right now. Well, yeah. Don't know what did this whole thing is and also now I noticed the even though that New York Times has not approved it yet There seems to be a lot more coverage of whatever is going on in Syria. Yeah this of course is only because Obama has given the order to go and hellfire that place if it does fit in with the theory it fits in because I'm seeing it too There was another

1:27:22 There was a note, not a speech, but a note from Obama saying Assad has to step down and step down now. So they're just disregarding the UN, which of course on one hand is good, but all they have to do is just turn the predators left. You know what, maybe they'll find an American self-radicalized on the internet terrorist, they can go drone. Yeah, happens to be spending the night at the Holiday Inn in Syria. In Damascus. Oh, that was kind of funny. So, again, I have... because he's back on now, he's back on the air. Judge Napolitano.

CHAPTER 28 / 45 Discussion

Secret Kill List, Anwar al-Awlaki Execution

Judge Napolitano rants against the secret government panel that placed American citizen Anwar al-Awlaki on a kill list without due process. The hosts highlight the hypocrisy of the Obama administration regarding executive power. They also mention NPR's Andy Carvin retweeting false reports of a girl's death in Syria who later appeared alive on TV.

judge napolitano· anwar al-awlaki· drone strike· due process· barack obama· andy carvin

1:28:07 And so he has this great... They keep him off the air for this period of the shooting so they could berate him for even thinking about talking about it. Right, well he's all over it now. And he has a good rant and then I have another Ralph Nader thing. Ralph Nader is, I don't know man, I'll talk about him in a second. First an Apollitano rant, which is... And now a few items from our Freedom Files. Tonight we're learning of a secret government panel that decides who goes on the government's kill list. A list that includes Americans. Your federal government makes such decisions in secret with an unknown, unelected group of bureaucrats. There is no oversight. There is no public record. There are no rules about the secret panel's activity. And of course, no laws establishing such a list or such a panel.

1:28:54 The secret panel of current and former government officials informs the president who he should kill. And this very panel is responsible for ending the life of an American citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, a man who had alleged terrorist ties but was never charged with a crime, never tried in a court of law as his constitutional rights to due process require. Oh, the hypocrisy of President Barack Obama is just stunning. When then-Senator Obama was campaigning to become president, he denounced the way in which then-President George W. Bush used his executive powers. President Obama the hypocrite now has blood on his hands and now has many people wondering what other secrets has he hidden in the West Wing and who might he kill next? Is it you? Who might he kill next? There's some fighting words I'd like that from the judge. By the way on Syria and actually went back two weeks ago our buddy Randy Corvin

1:29:51 better known as aka Andy Carvin from NPR our national treasure was retweeting all these horrible pictures and videos of this girl who her head was chopped off and she was burned in Syria and they're horrible on a side it's great so she shows up alive on Syrian TV shows her ID and says that no I just ran away from home And the BBC comes out with this whole report, which you can look at it in the show notes, 346.nashownotes.com. I've got the video. Of course, damage control is an order here. And so they say, well, you know, it's clear, it's obvious how these poor parents could have made this mistake, you know, and oh, and we're still not sure it's actually her after all it is Syrian state TV. The girl looks exactly like her. It's her. She's not dead.

CHAPTER 29 / 45 Discussion

Ralph Nader on Presidential Dictatorship, Libya War

Ralph Nader criticizes President Obama for acting as "judge, jury, and executioner" in the killing of American citizens. Nader argues that Obama has outdone George W. Bush in unconstitutional behavior, specifically citing the unauthorized military intervention in Libya. He describes the current presidency as a dictatorship that ignores Congress.

ralph nader· new york times· anwar al-awlaki· libya· war powers resolution· constitution

1:30:48 So I retweeted Randy. Hey Randy nice retweet dude. He doesn't respond of course not you're just a pest I am a pest But it's just like really it's so wag the dog. She shows up. No, I'm not dead. Here I am. I'm just I'm OK. So Ralph Nader, I've never really paid attention. Before you go on to that, let me just back up to the Apollo Townsend. I didn't want to throw something in. Yeah, because The New York Times again, the Sunday paper on the other main story besides the the rapid stock trading is this one, which is the headline Secret U.S. Memo made legal case to kill a citizen. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're not allowed to see said memo.

1:31:29 No, but it was, let me just read this graph because it kind of is funny, or as it were. The Obama administration's secret legal memorandum that opened the door to killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-born radical Muslim, they always say American-born, instead of saying American citizen. hiding in Yemen found that it would be lawful only if we're not if it were not it would be lawful under these circumstances which I find dubious. Okay, circumstance one. If it was found that he would not be lawful it would be not be lawful if it was feasible to take him alive. No, it was so hard he was driving in a car. How hard is that? We couldn't take him alive.

1:32:08 Yeah, you know what it's atrocious and this is this is the disappointing thing of Occupy Wall Street When I'm walking around with don't drone me bro that no one understands. They don't understand it They have no idea what the implications are Ralph Nader now This is it comes right into Ralph Nader than what you were just talking about now He's a consumer advocate is this guy any good or not because I'm liking what he's saying Yeah, you've known him for a lot longer obviously because the guy's always been an interesting character, a thorn in the side of the liberal establishment and a thorn in the side of the Republican establishment. He's a thorn in the side. So he could take over either one of our roles on the show.

1:32:50 If one of us gets drunk... It's not as funny as we are. Well, yeah, true. He has no humor. But I was laughing out loud when I heard this, because he just nails it. Can the president make himself judge, jury and executioner and kill an American anywhere on the planet whom the president alone has decided, perhaps in consultation in secret with others, is a danger to society and to national security? That's not a president, that's a dictator. That's a complete violation of due process, separation of powers. You don't put in the White House and our framers, as you know so well with your books, the founders of our republic refused, I say refused, Article 1, Section 8 to begin with, to put the power to exercise violence abroad and plunge a nation into a war in the hands

1:33:41 of the president he has done that now he is out done bush in his unconstitutional behavior not just with what you described but he also attacked libya without any war resolution never mind declaration war from congress without any of authorization appropriation money that's the way a dictator he took a billion dollars himself and put it on the war and ralph the congress like a potted plant did nothing. He's a dictator. This is what I always say. We want regime change. We want to take the evil dictator out who was killing his own people and get rid of all the corrupt politicians in the military industrial complex that has nothing to do with 99%. There was some other guy in the staying on Anwar al-Alki, Al-Akhtar, Terry Greenberg.

CHAPTER 30 / 45 Discussion

FBI Contact with Awlaki, Congressional Inquiry

A congressman grills Director Mueller about the FBI's contact with Anwar al-Awlaki prior to 9/11. Despite Mueller's denials, reports suggest Awlaki had contact with two hijackers and was even invited to the Pentagon after the attacks. The hosts predict the congressman will be marginalized for asking "tough questions" about Awlaki's status as a potential asset.

anwar al-awlaki· fbi· robert mueller· pentagon· 9/11 hijackers· homeland security committee

1:34:35 Some congressman, I forget who he was, and he was grilling the Mueller and the Olson, I guess, from the counterintelligence lawyer, lawyer about Anwar al-Awlaki. Very interesting how forthcoming and transparent this administration is. Director Mueller, if Chairman Rogers will allow me, this is my hat from the Homeland Security Committee. We were doing work on Awlaki's involvement prior to 9-11. and back in may may twenty six of this year i sent a letter to the attorney general eric holder asking for any uh... letters communications whatever between justice department fbi dealing with a lot to try it's a term eleven uh... it's been out for months we've got no response at all from the attorney general or from the fbi as i'm sorry that that'll ackee with uh...

1:35:29 Yes, with the Lockheed. He was here in the United States prior to September 11th. Dealings that our government may have had with him, contacts we had with him, communications with him prior to September 11th, and we've got no response at all. We've dealt with the FBI legislative affairs. We've got no response at all on that, and now it's over four months. Do I have any reason to believe that we're not going to get the information involving the FBI's dealings with the Lockheed and Justice Department's dealings with the Lockheed? No, and quite obviously I'll go back and check and see what has happened to the response to that letter. And we'll get a response to you, I will say, without looking at it, but being somewhat familiar with the circumstances of September 11th and Milwaukee.

1:36:13 as he came to our attention subsequent to September 11th and throughout the years, I do not believe there was contact prior to September 11th with Allocchi, but I would have to check on that and get you a definitive response in response to your letter. And we will do that. Yeah, especially because I do know, I do believe that the FBI did an investigation back in 1999 or 2000. Basically I just want to see what we knew about Allocchi's activities in the U.S. prior to 9-11, what contacts he had with any of the hijackers prior to 9-11, and then also dealing with them immediately after 9-11. We'll get back to you on that later. Especially with the fact that he wasn't even invited to the Pentagon after 9-11 to give a discussion on moderate Islam, and how that contrasted with what we actually knew about him at that time.

1:36:57 Thank you. Yeah, yeah, I'll get back to you on that. Prediction for the Red Book. This guy is going to have an unfortunate heart attack because he's clearly not on board with the program. Who? This congressman. Oh, that guy. Hey, dude, Ixnay Anolakeke, dude. Stop with the tough questions. You didn't get a letter. Don't you understand? You get a response. Don't you get it? Shut up. He's one of ours. He was an asset. We put him in and we caught him out. I also don't think Ralph Nader's heart is doing too well. They had a stroke some years back that slowed him down. They'll probably get him in the hot tub with hookers and he'll have a heart attack. He's already been marginalized and they need these guys floating around and they need a certain amount of crackpots out there.

1:37:51 and they, you know, he's harmless. That's the point. I mean, Ron Paul's getting some traction, so he's like a little more of a target, but I don't think Nate or anything. Okay, well this congressman better watch it. He's asking, he's a little annoying. Well he obviously needs to be taken aside. The FBI guy, Mueller actually said, well you know we didn't have any contact with him. No, you did actually and in fact that's been reported that he had contact with two of the hijackers. What are you talking about man? Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. I'm bored with the program. Don't you want your presidential model? Idiot. Well I think we should

CHAPTER 31 / 45 Discussion

International Donations, US of Europe

Donors from California, New Jersey, and Sweden contribute to the show. Daniel Bjorkman from Malmo, Sweden, thanks the hosts for providing a "compensation" for the media propaganda he identified in his youth. The hosts discuss the ongoing development of the "United States of Europe."

sweden· karma· donations· brainwashing· propaganda· slavery

1:38:40 Get our donation segment out of the way. All right, we have a few donors for this show three four six and anyone else who wants to help us out here go to no agenda show.com to work that org slash na sir Marinov from Eliso Viejo, California, please keep on giving the good karma to my wife my kids future kids and me Okay You've got karma keep those kids listening my friend. You'll grow up to be fine upstanding citizens and

1:39:26 Mark on exile because he doesn't want me to pronounce his name which is I have no idea how to pronounce it Yardville you want to try Zavadzky first name Mark Mark Jan Zavadzky possibly Yardville, New Jersey as much as I'd like to hear John trying to pronounce my name Please just use mark on exile instead. I'm also requesting some karma and a birthday mention for my wife Janet long-time subscriber I think I was supposed to be an anonymous quiet donation. We really highlighted it now. You found karma All the anonymous donations are the guy's name is X doubt. He never said it wanted to be anonymous Well, he kind of said as much as I'd like to hear John here and pronounce my name, please just use

1:40:10 Well, now we got another Daniel Borkman. I'm sure that's what that is Bjorkman Bjorkman in Malmo in Sweden which is down south they make the truck right mark on Excel is $111 11 cents. Yes. Thank you $100 from Malmo Dear John and Adam, although I don't agree with everything you say, I highly appreciate your show. You feel like a compensation for the friends I alienated in my early teens, accusing their favorite TV shows as being brainwashing propaganda and the news media to be controlled and censored to make us believe slavery is freedom.

1:40:49 Anyway, donated before but forgot to ask for karma. Let's make that right right now. You've got karma. There you go. That'll help. I'd like to ask for some right now but my life is so awesome, I mean really awesome right now. I would be very happy if you would just spread a big karma shot to the donating part of the No Agenda listeners and remind the rest that their karma crumbles with every new episode consumed without fair compensation. And please more on the US of Europe. Don't forget us just because you left for California Adam I do this all the time. Yeah, I'm always talking about you. I think you do your part. Yeah, I think so, too Thank you Daniel

CHAPTER 32 / 45 Discussion

Adam Curry's Move to Texas, U-Haul Calculations

A donor from Maryland calculates the cost of a U-Haul for Adam Curry's upcoming move from Los Angeles to Austin. Curry explains that he will need a professional moving company due to the volume of belongings. Listeners suggest names for his new location, including "Camp Mofo" and "Texas Tower."

austin· texas· u-haul· moving· paypal· subscriptions

1:41:31 Clint Brown in Frederick, Maryland, one of those little suburbs for Spook Nation. 7839, congratulations Adam on your decision to move to the Lone Star State. Since you mentioned your plans to rent a truck, I decided to take up the price of renting a U-Haul from LA to Austin based on the prices listed. He makes a calculation accounting for gas and the rest of it. He donated $78.39, which is not the whole cost. Hopefully some other listeners will get you the rest of the way there. Apparently he'd be stopping in Albuquerque and stuck. Happy trucking. Clint Brown, native Texan living abroad in Maryland.

1:42:08 And then he's got all the calculations. First of all, thank you so much. I got a lot of emails from people saying that they were happy for us. Many saying they were actually envious that we're getting out just before the riots. They are saying that that's really cool. Some people donating gas money. Unfortunately, we have to actually have a moving company. It won't fit in the U-Haul because of Mickey's stuff. She got a lot of stuff. What could she possibly have? She's a woman. Yeah, which by the way is designated as her stuff. Yeah, my couch. What do you mean your couch? To a chemo sabe? What is going on with that? When you find out when you we find you kind of washed up on the side of the road in some ditch We'll understand it better. Well, no more No, but it's very very sweet. Thank you. It's not you know, every move costs money and It's highly appreciated that people are helping out so I can we need a new name by the way for the for the new place. I

1:43:11 And so far I've only gotten Crackpot Hacienda? No, it's not a Hacienda. Bat Cave? I think there's a lot of bats in Austin, isn't there? I know there's a bunch of San Antonio. I don't like that. I don't like Bat Cave. That sounds too Alex Jones-y. Yeah. Need something else. We'll think about it. I'm sure some listener will come up with a great idea. Of course. Sir James Briscoe in Bayshore, New York. Hey gents, 7889. It's hey gents psycho night. James Briscoe checking in again. Just wanted to donate as a thanks for the double plug for cnsagallery.org. Unfortunately I haven't gotten that many submissions but it was fun putting up the site anyway. Please give some karma to Smita, the love of my life, to support her endless devotion to programming until the early morning hour. She needs it the way things are going back in Melville.

1:44:02 You've got karma. So I've got Texas Tower, the Ranch of Truth, the Radicals Ranch, Austin FEMA Camp, I like that one. From the Austin FEMA Camp. It's getting good. Alright. Texas Tower I like. Texas Tower is pretty good. That's good. Rancho Del Curry. I actually like Ranch of Truth too. Ranch of Truth, but I am the voice of treason at the Ranch of Truth. Yeah, I don't care for that nigger head Austin. Yeah, thanks hell hound. Yeah, that'll do it. That'll work If I'm running for president, yeah, if you're Perry, yeah, really Danielson Burnsville, Minnesota at 7290. This is the balance for my unpurchased twit brick

1:44:49 I'd like to call out my friend Dana as a douchebag. Douchebag Dana since he has yet to donate. I also appreciate some karma for my 47th birthday which is Tuesday. Thanks guys. You've got karma. And he makes a point of checking his PayPal subscription and reminds everyone else to do the same. Yeah, they get canceled. Yeah, that is very important. For some reason PayPal just kicks those subscriptions out after a while. So if you If you are you think you're a subscriber make sure that that a recent donation went out We had the $5 a month the 1111 some $33 a month subscriptions These actually do carry us over a little bit on the slow days So it's important and I think it's well worth it if you look at the value for value of it all And you may find out that you've never actually signed up to a subscription so that maybe it's time to think about doing that exactly

CHAPTER 33 / 45 Discussion

Book Karma, Camp Mofo Branding

A Dutch listener sends "book karma" to John C. Dvorak to encourage him to publish. The hosts discuss the finalization of a No Agenda book featuring Dvorak's artwork, including a drawing of WTC 7. They officially test "Camp Mofo" as the new name for the Texas studio.

john c. dvorak· book publishing· wtc 7· camp mofo· lone star state

1:45:47 Bjorn Pennenberg from Kuk on the Rhine. Kaude Kerk on the Rhine. John would you please read this on the show? Greg, wat karma voor John C. Dvorak in de hoop, dat hij eindelijk in boek schrift. You've got karma. Would you like the translation? Something. Something about me. Please, please, some karma for Jean-Claude Dvorak in the hopes that he will finally publish a book. Oh, okay.

1:46:30 So I need is book karma, but I'd be probably Jay's book of ABC dad by the way when is that done because that thing is beautiful finally finished the WTC 7 drawing because we bumped one of the drawings up from the book and and The book was done and then we didn't you didn't like WTC 7 so what did we change that to? We say we changed it to Debbie. I'm sorry you we changed it to WC 7 from we need money or something like that Finally you know Kicked and screamed and did it and so now we can finish the book and have it printed probably before Christmas easy quick intermezzo lone wolf ranch lone wolf ranch by curious bunker Camp mofo Camp mofo, okay Coming to you you have to practice you say I would say that so you're starting the show coming to you from let me try

1:47:34 We should probably camp Moe. Do you think I don't know if camp mofo sounds it might not ring. That's what I'm thinking We can try it. Let me see Adam Curry John C. Devorah and Sunday October 9 2011 time to get my nation media assassination episode 3 4 6 This is no agenda Coming to you from Camp Mofo in the Lone Star State in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. What do you think? Like it yeah camp mofo. It has a ring to it. I'm sure Mickey will be delighted camp mofo Okay, the close our state. That's what that's what makes it work. Yeah in the Lone Star State. Yeah, yeah, okay? We'll go with this, but let's think about that. That's the winner so far. Yeah, we'll keep it as a bookmark

CHAPTER 34 / 45 Discussion

Producer Challenges, No Agenda Records

Sir Alan Asaf issues a "double nickels on the dime" donation challenge. Amanda Renz, a PhD candidate in chemistry, celebrates passing her exams with a donation. The hosts also acknowledge $114 in proceeds from No Agenda Records and discuss the site's artwork and musical contributors.

alan asaf· amanda renz· phd· tattoos· no agenda records· jasper avenue

1:48:25 Some anonymous actually Julian Kennedy in Melbourne Australia caretaker of the no agenda show calm dot a you Requesting a combination de douching and double karma shot We don't do we don't do double shots anymore, I think the double what he meant by double was to do she okay gotcha gotcha and uh... which is a double thingy double double double double speak of the week michael bileby bilby i guess brisbane uh... good day john and adam from gitmo nation kangaroo i'm in need of a deducing i've been a boner for way too long you've been deduced

1:49:11 He also needs karma for his girlfriend for the new job. Let me do a MILF karma double shot. That's better. That's 55-55. Sir Alan Asaf. Asaf to you, Alan Asaf. Decatur. Georgia USA gentlemen Alan the Arabian night here you continue to hit it out of the park every show with your cogent analysis of what's happening around the world I think you thank you again for the work you do and hope some boners out there would just send you some cash owner challenge yeah I challenge all this to match my donation of double nickels on the dime and I will match those donations with additional $5 per donation for the show three four seven that's all double nickels on the dime will be matched by sir Alan

1:50:00 At a five buck a match clip. That's the Arabian night everybody. I love that. That's a good deal. That's a great deal. Amanda Renz in Bryan, Texas. New one. I've been listening for a while but sadly I'm a first-time donor. I've got a graduate student working on my PhD in chemistry and yesterday I passed my candidacy exam so I decided I must celebrate and donate. Great! I would also like to call my brother Logan out as a douchebag. Because he's never been, he's been listening since show one and has never donated. Douchebag! That's horrible. Double douchebag for him. That's double nickels on the dime from Amanda. Dennis Cruz, Sir Dennis Cruz in Beaverton, Oregon, double nickels on the dime. Mark Cable, Roberts Bridge, East Sussex, double nickels on the dime. David Alston, Yukon, Oklahoma. Please de-douche me, I was spending all my money making the Alston David album. Please mention that I have made my album a free download specifically for No Agenda people in the next few weeks at this site.

1:50:58 alstondavid.bandacamp.com. You've been D-douched. And anyone who knows who Alston David is can spell it but it's alstondavid.bandacamp.com and that was $50. David Middlebrook and Ellen Aberdenshire UK 50. Aberdeenshire. Matthew Parker Lakewood Illinois 50 love the show better dedicated I'm a better educated slave who sees the media agenda more clearly, I'm better at cocktail parties. Stop! You win! That's all, that's the whole point.

1:51:36 You're a better educated slave, and you do better at cocktail parties. I mean, that's what our show, right there, in a nutshell, is what our show is about. And it works! Yeah. And you can really annoy people. We must move for a job and we're taking a risk so we need a double shot of karma and de-douching. Please keep up the good work, Vagina! Yeah! You've been de-douched. You've got karma. Vagina. Hilarious! Boy boy our TV is great here in America, isn't it? What's a vagina? Tim Lennon and Altamont Springs, Florida 50 bucks steak making the donation as a birthday gift to my buddy Sean left which from Jacksonville, Florida His birthday's Monday October 10th and get a call out, but they call it also Tristan Lennon in from Wagga Wagga with another 50 bucks and then a check also came in and

1:52:29 from Nichelle Moore in Knightdale, North Carolina decided to switch from using the $50 PayPal automated payments to give myself more flexibility to send extra donations when I can. I really appreciate the analysis you guys do as it's helped me develop the critical eye on a bunch of other things. Please accept this donation as a small token of my appreciation as I continue to make my way toward damehood. She needs some karma for her mom who just received her doctorate and is looking for a job. Oh wow. Alright mom, here you go. You've got karma. Now we love moms on this show. Actually, she sent in two checks for 50 each. So that's so sweet a hundred. She should have been listed higher up But I thank her very much also one hundred and fourteen dollars and seventy cents received our proceeds from no agenda records.com Which is that's actually that's pretty good. That's not bad. We're selling some music there

1:53:24 Noah Jenna records calm of course we've got just have you seen that it looks pretty good actually The site no it needs to be on our list of things to plug. Yeah, we don't plug it often enough There's like a hot chick dancing with her boobs scrunched together Good album art Of course Jasper Avenue, I think is what is sold the most but GX2 was on there with his with a couple of albums three in total and Jasper Avenue and that's of course Mr. Oiled and Get Mo' Slave and I think Enlightenment and all those guys working on that and they need some new even though I like it I like the hot chick on the front yeah I like her but I like her facial bone structure yes

1:54:08 Yes, it is very nice. Her facial bone structure and her vagina! But they need new art. They're looking for new art for the site. So that was a call out that was requested. And I think that does it. So thank you all very much. And also the chat room has just been on fire. Camp Vagina is now in the running as well. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable. Well, we have to figure out what this is really all about. Well, there's something going on with it. There's some demeaning or there's something... I don't know what it is. Or it's code. It just doesn't sound right. And then the shows that are using it, they're using it gratuitously. It's not funny. It's just not funny. It's not funny. I mean, if it was funny...

CHAPTER 35 / 45 Discussion

Peter Pan Syndrome, Value for Value Model

The hosts discuss a theory that men in America are becoming more "effeminate," linking it to the "Peter Pan syndrome." They reiterate the show's "value for value" model, where listeners support the non-commercial program in exchange for the analysis provided.

sociology· effeminate men· non-commercial· value for value· internet radicalization

1:54:59 It's not a funny word. No, so why is this happening? I just don't understand. I did see a report the other day that women are much more powerful than men in America and there's the Peter Pan syndrome that men are like, you know, becoming all effeminate and which I mean we talked about this already, but then can we tie that into the vagina thing? It's a possibility, but maybe it's a it's I don't know what I mean we would some sociologists listening to this show has to help us here. Hopefully we'll figure it out because it is quite distressing because you know the news about this memo and this agreement was only a couple of weeks ago most of these shows were in the can I think. Yeah well it was in the New York Times so that was gave it the go ahead. Right right.

1:55:48 and then it's just gonna blossom from there. Well anyway, I think all these shows should be taken off the air because it's just not funny. It's just, it's not. I have yet to laugh about it. It's like when you were a kid did you ever use the word vagina and crack up? Never. Except now? Now apparently you like it. No, but I mean, so like, how can... No, I'm only cracking up at the stupidity of it. Yeah, yeah. So thank you very, very much. As you know this program is completely non-commercial. I think we have I'm very proud of what we're doing here and I'm proud of the people who enjoy and quite frankly are funnier at cocktail parties because of listening to the show. And you have more time during the day because you don't have to watch the stupid crap on television.

1:56:38 Because we'll do all that for you and we'll give you the actual news which is just a benefit. It's a value for value model. All we're asking for is that you support the show. Either way, you can go to, well here's the, let me brainwash you for a second. And our formula is really simple. We go out, we hit them in the mouth and no one can stop us. Until of course you need a license for this stuff which will be denied for us because we might be self-radicalizing on the internet. Vagina! We're doing something self. Yeah. Well, we certainly appreciate it. It's very cool. And so that's the work.org slash and a no agenda nation dot com. Feel free to pick up one of the slave T shirts. I think they're sold out, but we're getting new ones. And of course, the channel to work dot com is also a place. Is it channel to work dot com slash NA or just channel dot com. OK, slash NA.

1:57:29 Or go to the show notes three four six dot na show notes calm for today And you can find out where to donate also look at every single clip that has been played We've got them always uploaded in timely fashion, and we got about a month to go before we hit the ultra ultras number Yes, magic number 11 11 11. This is never going to happen again in anyone's lifetime so you can get it on the 1111 monthly or or 11 11 11 11 11 that would be so incredibly 11 11 11 11 night hood or you get the monthly 11 11 or you do I have a feeling people are saving up for that one because that that's a very big Mega one but try and spread it out because we have to eat in the meantime We can't wait. I can't wait until 11 11 11 to eat. I got I got I got a move coming up. I

CHAPTER 36 / 45 Discussion

Studio Relocation, Selling the Saab and Range Rover

Adam Curry discusses the financial logistics of his move to Austin, including plans to sell his Saab and Range Rover. He notes that Range Rovers are impractical in Austin due to a lack of spare parts. He plans to purchase a "made in Texas" Toyota upon arrival.

11-11-11· austin· saab· range rover· ebay· toyota

1:56:38 Because we'll do all that for you and we'll give you the actual news which is just a benefit. It's a value for value model. All we're asking for is that you support the show. Either way, you can go to, well here's the, let me brainwash you for a second. And our formula is really simple. We go out, we hit them in the mouth and no one can stop us. Until of course you need a license for this stuff which will be denied for us because we might be self-radicalizing on the internet. Vagina! We're doing something self. Yeah. Well, we certainly appreciate it. It's very cool. And so that's the work.org slash and a no agenda nation dot com. Feel free to pick up one of the slave T shirts. I think they're sold out, but we're getting new ones. And of course, the channel to work dot com is also a place. Is it channel to work dot com slash NA or just channel dot com. OK, slash NA.

1:57:29 Or go to the show notes three four six dot na show notes calm for today And you can find out where to donate also look at every single clip that has been played We've got them always uploaded in timely fashion, and we got about a month to go before we hit the ultra ultras number Yes, magic number 11 11 11. This is never going to happen again in anyone's lifetime so you can get it on the 1111 monthly or or 11 11 11 11 11 that would be so incredibly 11 11 11 11 night hood or you get the monthly 11 11 or you do I have a feeling people are saving up for that one because that that's a very big Mega one but try and spread it out because we have to eat in the meantime We can't wait. I can't wait until 11 11 11 to eat. I got I got I got a move coming up. I

1:58:25 The move is going to be expensive, but it will save you money in the long term because the cost of living in Austin is not... Much lower. Not only that, but it's the cost of your environment. I mean, the nightmarish town of Los Angeles with that traffic and the people and the douchebags everywhere. And I got to sell the cars. Tell me about it. I got to sell the cars. I'm going to sell the Saab and the Range Rover. If you're living in Austin, you don't have to drive in Austin. Well, I'm not we're not in the town itself. We're outside the town. It's a joke Oh vagina you got to end it with that so I know that it's funny vagina So maybe we can do something with the sob maybe we can wreck it Drive it off Mulholland Drive. Yeah, no, maybe I can fake my death. You know there's an area over here by Mount Tamalpais and

1:59:18 where apparently people have just driven their car off the side of the cliff and there's like a pile of these cars down in the gully because it's literally impossible to get them out. And they just drive off the cliff and then they make the insurance claim. How about, why don't I put it on eBay? Maybe someone will send in a lot of money for it. Maybe we can bid that up. It's a good car. And we'll both autograph. It's a great car, are you kidding me? The kids took it to San Francisco and back, it made it. It's good news. And the Range Rover, we decided to sell the Range Rover, which is a fine 1999 Range Rover with low mileage. Because as we were driving around, guess what you don't see on the roads there? No Range Rovers. There's tons of them up here. I know, but nothing in Austin. And that means no parts.

2:00:08 Oh, that's what you're thinking. Yeah, no I'm not going to be driving around in a 12 year old car with no spare parts. Everyone's driving big, made in Texas Toyotas. Oh, okay. So we're going to... Yeah, no it's actually good. We used to have a long... years and years ago I owned a Fiat. and there was this guy called, you know, Tony, believe it or not. Fix it again, Tony's what Fiat was stood for. But he was like a local independent mechanic who loved Fiats. And as long as you had a guy, if you have a guy that loves a car, the car runs like a champ. That's what I got here, I got Hovik. Hovik, the Armenian who does British cars exclusively.

2:00:52 And I guess I'm just gonna go to him and say, look, can you find anyone who wants to buy this? But the Saab, I'm thinking that might be an eBay auction. Yeah, it would probably, yeah, probably pick up a couple bucks. I mean, it's a good car. There's no doubt about it. 117,000 miles. So how are you going to get, when you're in Austin, are you going to rent a car? No, we're going to buy something there. We're going to take the... Right on the spot? We're going to take our winnings from selling these automobiles and buy, you know, like a Toyota or something. You know, a made in Texas Toyota, I might add. Yeah, because that's what everyone's driving. If you want a car that's going to stick together, you want one of those. With all respect, but the Range Rover is a piece of shit.

2:01:38 British car, what do you expect? I mean it's great as an urban assault vehicle but the you know the relays are always burning out and this doesn't work. It's the electronics. They don't know how to do electronics in Britain. It sucks. It's a pretty car. It looks nice. Looks mean. I like it. The Saab is the deal though. That's the deal. Now what did I spend on it? $3,000? Something like that. Yeah and I drove what maybe 4,000 miles maybe. So that's well worth it. Well, we'll see what we do with that. So again, thank you all very much. Enough about my personal troubles.

CHAPTER 37 / 45 Discussion

European Train Pee Bags, Privacy Concerns

New trains in the Netherlands are reportedly being built without bathrooms for "security" reasons. Instead, passengers are provided with "pee bags" containing absorbent gel. The hosts mock the absurdity of the proposal and compare it to previous suggestions of handcuffing or shocking airline passengers.

netherlands· trains· bathrooms· pee bags· security· taser

2:02:20 It's your birthday, birthday On No Agenda Alright, let's look at the list. Mark on exile says happy birthday to his wife, Janelle Mark. Kurt Danielson congratulates himself, he turns 47 today. And Tim Johnson says happy birthday to his buddy, Sean Leftwich from Faxonville, which I guess might be Jacksonville, Florida. He's celebrating on the 10th, that'll be tomorrow. Happy birthday from all your buddies here at the No Agenda Show! It's your birthday, yeah And no knighthoods today, unfortunately. I do have a crazy story about Gitmo Nation Lowlands. Wow. So this happened actually when we first started the show. It started to happen all across Europe. I think it started in Gitmo Nation East where they were putting new trains in and these trains would not have any bathrooms. Remember us joking about that?

2:03:18 You don't remember. I know I do remember that. No joking matter. Yeah, so same thing now in Gitmo Nation lowlands. They'll be putting trains in without bathrooms. Now you have to understand that whenever there's really bad weather the trains often get stopped in the middle of the track, derailments. There's a lot of suicides actually. People they stop in the middle of bad weather one time I was on the high-speed rail in Sweden going from Stockholm to Gothenburg and this is this famous train they have which is makes you sick to be on it by the way and they stopped because there's a cow

2:04:01 on the tracks and we stopped for a good 40 minutes because they couldn't get the cow to move. If I were running that train I'd say hamburger for lunch. Well, I probably would have knocked the thing over. Anyway, since this happens a lot but they don't want to go through, you know, slaves are meant to just be on the train and shut up. So let's say you're stuck for 40 minutes. They will now, the trains will come equipped with pee bags. What? Yeah, pee bags. The bags have a cup-shaped plastic top and contain a highly... What? Listen to me. The bags have a cup-shaped plastic top and contain a highly absorbent material that turns urine into a gel-like mixture. After use, the bags can be sealed and thrown in the trash. Or thrown at someone. So instead of toilets... Pee in the bag, slave! This isn't...

2:04:55 It's in the New York Times even. Now what's the rationale for this again? Because people are going to drop bombs down the toilet? I guess, yeah security, whatever. I don't know. It was too much of a hassle to put toilets in the train. So here's your bag slave. Pee in the bag. Why? Yeah. Just like that idea where you strap people into, you know, the best security system, somebody put a thing together where you'd have everybody basically handcuffed to their seats in the airplane. Yeah, right, naked. Yeah, or if you get up and then you've got a necklace on that shocks you. Hey, hey! Yeah, pee in the bag. That was an actual proposal. Oh no, I remember we talked about it. Absolutely. You get a jolt of electricity. Oops, hit the wrong button. Oh, sorry old lady. Yeah, no, it's awesome. So pee in the bag slave and shut up. There was another, yeah, oh yeah, no, it's bad over there. There was another thing.

CHAPTER 38 / 45 Discussion

Schiphol Airport Security Tunnel, Privacy is for Bathrooms

Schiphol Airport is implementing a "top-secret" security tunnel that scans passengers with radiation as they walk through. The official in charge reportedly stated that "privacy is for the bathroom" and has no place at the airport. The hosts argue these measures are designed to keep the public in a state of fear.

schiphol airport· radiation· body scanners· tsa· military industrial complex

2:05:54 Gitmo Nation lowlands. Where do you pee in the bed? Do they have a little room you can go into to pee? No, you just turn around. Or do you just pee in your seat? Yeah, yeah, and you can't get up because we're gonna zap you. We're gonna tase you if you get up. Shut up. So you just pull out your dick and you start peeing right there next to some old woman? Or, get this. That makes sense now, right? Now get this, you pull out your vagina! Yeah, that's what it is. It's fantastic. Unbelievable. Yeah, no, it's not unbelievable. It's true. It's what's happening. So there was I'm looking for this I kept this link somewhere So there the Gitmo nation lowlands is now implementing a top-secret tunnel at the airport at Schiphol Airport which includes it has all kinds of

2:06:47 you know, non-disclosed stuff and it's the new way of checking people at the airport. And it's literally a tunnel and you walk through the tunnel and it's scanning you and throwing radiation at you and all kinds of stuff. And so I can't find the link, I have it somewhere. The guy in charge of this literally said, privacy is for the bathroom, it has no place at the airport. Yeah, can you believe that? Privacy has no... privacy is for your bathroom. Well guess what? It ain't gonna last long before you ain't private there either. What is the... well probably already... What is the point of putting everyone in a tunnel? Now it seems that I think we've talked about this but I've never made an actual prediction that one of these days, I mean the biggest bottleneck in the airport, the best way if you were a terrorist to do a lot of damage... Is to blow up the tunnel!

2:07:43 Is to blow it up, blow yourself up in the tunnel or blow yourself up in a really long waiting line for the body scanners and you know just do it there and you take out at least as much as an airplane, it would scare the crap out of everybody and what would they do? You have to make an appointment to go through the TSA. You have to, okay, we had, you know, people have to be scattered all over the place and they make it Adam Curry, Adam Curry. And you'd have to then get up and come in. I mean, well, how would this work if somebody did that? Well, I think it's well established John that all of this is just bullcrap and it's just to keep us afraid and to keep us in line and keep us as good little slaves and to up the ante on the military-industrial complex. It's a bonanza. We're stupid that we don't know what I was she'd be selling a tunnel. Curry Dvorak Consulting brings you the securities squirrel tunnel.

CHAPTER 39 / 45 Discussion

FAST and NGI Biometric Systems

The Department of Homeland Security is testing "Future Attribute Screening Technology" (FAST) to monitor body movements and breathing patterns. Simultaneously, the FBI's "Next Generation Identification" (NGI) system is expanding facial recognition capabilities. The hosts note the integration of "civil submissions," implying the use of Facebook photos for government databases.

dhs· fbi· fast· ngi· facial recognition· biometrics· facebook

2:08:42 Anyway, so there were two more links that were some of the most passed on outside of the virus on the drone. Before it's a crime, it's pre-crime. So this news came to most people through CNET of all places. This is about FAST, the new Department of Homeland Security future attribute screening technology. Yeah. Designed to track and monitor body movements, voice pitch changes. Prosody changes? What's a prosody? Oh, alterations in the rhythm and intonation of speech, eye movements, body heat changes, and breathing patterns. Well then Aaron is going to have a real problem. Yeah. A field test was performed at a large venue earlier this year, undisclosed, so that's probably the Super Bowl. And documents recently obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request indicate that testing is proceeding on other members of the public as well.

2:09:42 which of course is, you're not, it's, so the acronym is FAST, the Future Attribute Screening Technology. So that's one that was interesting to note and of course DHS says, well, you know, it's just, we're never gonna use this. We're just testing it. The other one was the FBI's Next Generation Identification System, which is facial recognition. And there's a interesting link on the FBI website itself Driven by advances in technology, customer requirements, really? Customer requirements? What customers do they have? And growing demand for integrated automated fingerprint identification system services. The FBI has initiated the next generation identification program. This program will further advance the FBI's biometric identification services. Now I've been telling you about this. This is what the naked body scanners are about. Because they are taking your biometric information. Now this is, it's recording that.

2:10:45 So these capabilities will be introduced across the multi-year time frame within a phased approach It will offer state-of-the-art biometric identification services providing a flexible framework blah blah blah blah blah and there's a whole bunch of things about how this is going to work, but essentially this facial recognition system, which is exactly the same technology that Facebook uses And as you recall in the Time Magazine article about when Mark Zuckerberg was on the cover of the Time Magazine article, Robert Mueller pops his head in around the corner of the conference room door and says, hey I was in the building just wanted to say hi. Coincidence? I think not! But another thing that I thought was kind of interesting is it will also do recognition of tattoos.

CHAPTER 40 / 45 Discussion

Tattoo Recognition, Checkpoint of the Future

The FBI's new biometric system includes the ability to search for scars, marks, and tattoos. The hosts suggest that the "tattoo culture" has inadvertently provided the government with permanent identification marks. They also discuss the IATA "checkpoint of the future," which uses biometric passports to sort travelers into different security tunnels.

tattoos· fbi· iata· biometric passport· security tunnel· lone wolf

2:11:38 Which is probably really good. Because you know everyone these days has got a tattoo. And apparently it does very well with... Why is that really good? What? That it does recognition of tattoos. Well because everyone has a tattoo. We've been so duped into this tattoo culture That now, you know, facial recognition... You're just basically self-imposed identification marks. Exactly. Why don't you just tattoo your social security number on your arm? Exactly. That's exactly it. It's like being in a concentration camp and involuntarily getting your tattoo. Now listen to this very carefully. Close-up photos of an arm tattoo

2:12:25 Currently the IAFIS, that's the system, can accept photographs with criminal 10-print submissions. The interstate photo system will allow customers, who are the customers? Do they have like a store? The FBI? Customers to add photographs to previously submitted arrest data, listen to this, submit photos with civil submissions, what does that mean John? Facebook photos. Facebook, thank you. And submit photos in bulk formats. The IPS will also allow for easier retrieval of photos and include... Clicker. Yes. And include the ability to accept and search for photographs of scars, marks and tattoos. It's literally saying civil submissions. They're going to go search Facebook. My God, delete it. Delete your account. Quickly. This is the time to get that, you know, those tattoo

2:13:24 decals that you can get, they're temporary, they stay on for like a month. This is the time to get your US Marines one on your left arm. Yeah, and we need this to be selling those at knowagenthenation.com. Yeah, we need some phony tattoos that say something and people can wear them and they make sure they get their picture taken when they go through TSA and then from then on they're gold. Does it have the tattoo? No, no tattoo on that guy. Okay, I've got the article, it's in Dutch. The IATA That's who doing this, the International Air Traffic something. So it's a... They're calling it the checkpoint of the future. Travelers will be selected on the basis of their booking and information from security services. There's talk about here about a biometric passport scan. Oh, if you had the biometric passport scan, whatever that is, something else new coming down the pike, you can keep walking, then you go into the tunnel.

2:14:32 So you don't have to take off your shoes, you can just carry your own bag with a bomb in it apparently. But if we know who you are, known passengers have nothing to worry about. You can go through a separate tunnel. It's just all going to be going through the tunnels. Jeez. Privacy is for the bathroom, not when it's about flying safely, says Swagermom. Whoever this guy is. Yeah, that's great. Right, okay, so back to the tattoos. Great idea. We need to get us some tattoo. Maybe if we all just have the same one, the same tattoo, that'll screw up the system. Yeah, it probably would. Yeah, everyone, yeah, we should get some of those tattoos. I like that idea of a lone wolf with a no agenda thing on it. I think a no, a lone wolf. Yeah, a wolf tattoo would be good.

CHAPTER 41 / 45 Discussion

ACTA Treaty, Intellectual Property and Saxophones

The Obama administration has signed the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) in secret. A WIPO official suggests that if the World Wide Web had been patented, it could have funded more research. The hosts discuss the history of the saxophone patent from 1842 as a contrast to modern rigid patent systems.

acta· wipo· patents· world wide web· saxophone· adolf sax· fcc

2:15:31 So something we haven't talked about but which did take place and I've had it in the show notes for the past two shows is that ACTA was signed. This is the intellectual property agreement amongst, I think it's 53 nations, that the Obama administration said was so egregious, I mean so great that they couldn't tell us about it because it would cause rioting in the streets. I'm paraphrasing but I think that's kind of what they said. And we've been talking about ACTA for a long time and so the United States signed it, the China signed it, the United States of Europe has not signed it but are fully expected to sign it. This took place just a couple weeks ago.

2:16:17 And now, and so there's a draft that's floating around which is very, you know, it talks about the disconnect your internet and all this stuff. And I don't have any more information on it. I guess eventually, since this is the most transparent administration in our nation's history, I'm sure they'll be posting that on the internet sometime soon. But there was a conference, and this is of the World Intellectual Property Organization, and some douchebag was talking about the Internet and in regards to intellectual property and patents. I just thought it was interesting to hear what their general thinking is about intellectual property as it pertains to the Internet. Let me just remind you if I may that intellectual property is a very flexible instrument. It's a very flexible instrument. So, for example, had the World Wide Web been able to be patented, and I think that's a question in itself,

2:17:18 Perhaps the amount of investment that has gone into or would be able to go into basic science would be different. So if you had found a very flexible licensing model in which the burden for the innovation of the World Wide Web had been shared across the whole user community in a very fair and reasonable manner and with a modest contribution for everyone for this wonderful innovation, it would have enabled an enormous investment in turn in further basic research.

2:17:57 I'm thinking it's possible since we've had all this talk of changing the patent system and there's always talk about changing patents maybe they're gonna award a patent to someone for the internet and then we'll wind up having to pay for it. That may be the egregious part of acting. That would end the world as we know it. I think it'd be an interesting scheme but that's no. The same guy, I did learn something from this guy This is kind of interesting. It has nothing to do with that, but it does have to do with patents. I disagree with everything he's saying, but I didn't know this. And that is the sort of flexibility that is built into the intellectual property system. It is not a rigid system. It can be used in a vast variety of manners in which to encourage innovation. And indeed, one of its other roles is the sharing of knowledge.

2:18:55 because it has put together the most accessible and systematic record of humanities technology. And the example I like to use is of the saxophone, which is the only instrument in the classical orchestra that has ever been patented, and it was patented in 1842 by Adolf Sachs. And over the ensuing period of 30 or 40 years, a number of improvements were indeed patented to the sax by Adolf Sax himself, but by a number of other inventors' improvements in the mouthpiece, we ended up with a much better saxophone which fell into the public domain over 100 years ago as a piece of technology. And you can contrast that, of course, with the violin.

2:19:42 where nobody knows how the violins of Cremona in the 18th century were made because the secret was lost. I didn't know the saxophone was patented. I didn't either. I think his point is specious and bullcrap. Oh well, of course! Because you know, if the saxophone were patented today, it wouldn't be in the public domain for another thousand years. Yeah, that too. Disney would own it. But yeah, no, I don't know. I don't know where this guy's headed. Well, no we're not going to be, no they're going to, they can't do it. They're not going to, it's not going to happen. Well, you know, then what will it be? I mean, it's going to be, it's going to be considered a broadcast medium and it's going to be something that the FCC has to control because it's a form of communications, Federal Communications Commission, and that's that. It's going to be easy.

CHAPTER 42 / 45 Discussion

Medical Marijuana Crackdown, Melinda Haag

The federal government is cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries in California, specifically those near schools and parks. Assistant Attorney General Melinda Haag claims the move is to protect children. The hosts argue the government is actually protecting its "turf" for pharmaceutical drugs like Adderall and Zoloft.

ken burns· prohibition· pbs· medical marijuana· melinda haag· adderall

2:20:33 Well, I mean your statement as that would be the end of the world was much closer to the reason that the administration was giving for not making the active document public. And by the way, what gives our government the right to go sign stuff with other countries without showing it to us? Oh, I'm sorry. The same guys who can go kill people with a drone based upon a secret kill list. I'm sorry. How silly am I? I should have known better. dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb so when we finish the show we're gonna play a clip mm-hmm which is Ken Burns who actually is quite entertaining and I think he's been altered by this special that was done on PBS which I recommend people watch who's Ken Burns called prohibition it's a three-part series and you get if you have an iPad you can watch on your iPad with the national treasure app

2:21:30 And it's very interesting, this documentary. There's a bunch of stuff that was uncovered, at least by the documentarians, that is unique. And it also applies to what's going on in California. They are going out of their way to shut down all the medical marijuana places. Oh yes. To an extreme. I got the Melinda... Where's Obama? By the way, didn't Obama say that this was not going to happen? You dumb Californians who voted him in? Yeah. So I have a clip of Melinda Haag, which you would pronounce Haag in Dutch, who Miki by the way pointed out has a very cool haircut. I was listening on the headphones, Miki's like, oh I love her hair. I'm like, she's a douchebag. Oh. So there are reasons for this. Shut down.

2:22:18 And John, I think our California state government should bring out the National Guard and shoot anyone who tries to close down the pot stores. I agree. They have no right to do this whatsoever, but maybe if it's about the children, maybe we'll all agree, John. I think it's about the children. As soon as that comes out, you know it's bogus. The reason for the security guards and fences, where there's marijuana, there's money and lots of it. These places are prime targets for robberies and violence. Despite the fact that these marijuana stores operate in violation of federal law and oftentimes in violation of state law, we simply don't have the resources to address them all.

2:23:01 In the Northern District of California, I have decided to focus initially on stores that sell marijuana and allow people to smoke marijuana very close to schools, parks, and other places where children learn and play. Last week, we sent letters to the landlords and lien holders of these stores, putting them on notice that marijuana is being sold and used on their property in close proximity to children. and that the operations must cease. I understand there are people in California who believe marijuana stores should be allowed to exist, but I trust that these same people will all agree we don't need retail marijuana outlets across the street from playgrounds and schools and Little League fields. So here's the problem. I can tell you why this is happening.

2:23:54 The children, schools, parks and little league fields, that is the government's turf. That's where we sell Adderall and Zoloft and Xanax legally. We push these drugs legally on children. You can't have like some natural plant weaseling in on our business. Get out of there. This is our federal turf. We are the ones that supply the drugs to the children, not you locally. That's what this is about. They don't want kids using a plant that might actually cure them of some ailments.

CHAPTER 43 / 45 Discussion

Pharmaceutical Influence, California Liberalism Myth

The hosts discuss the use of natural hemp in other cultures versus the immediate prescription of drugs to children in the U.S. They criticize California Attorney General Kamala Harris and the "myth" of California liberalism, noting that voters failed to legalize marijuana due to negative media campaigns.

jamaica· hemp· pharmaceuticals· kamala harris· marijuana legalization· media indoctrination

2:24:32 Little Lee like that theory. This is it. It's not a theory. It's it's the fact of the matter is right is fact that the fact of the matter is I think that I think the scenario is the theory but your your factual and all your Assertions yeah, I mean what happens when your kid is a little crazy I have spoken to so many Mickey talks to a lot of her friends here have kids and You know, like two kids maybe. And one kid's a little hyperactive. The school immediately, immediately! Oh, I think we should, you know, there are medication for this child and should get her some Adderall or whatever. It's drugs, immediately. Drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs. Take the kid to the psychologist. What did the psychologist say? We're going to start you off with a really low dose of Adderall. It is beyond me. You know, marijuana, you know in Jamaica,

2:25:27 Which is where I started smoking of the marijuana before I quit over two years ago. And by the way, you don't have to smoke marijuana. If you smoke it, yeah, you're gonna get high. But in Jamaica, when the kid is like colic, can't sleep, or has a stomach ache, or is teething, they put a little leaf, a little hemp leaf into the kid's drink and it cures it. It's a magical plant. By the way, it's a plant. You don't have to process it, you don't have to do anything to it, you can just take it, eat it, smoke it, drink it, whatever, and it's illegal because they don't want you to witness the power of it. No. We sell you the drugs. Cool hairdo though. So now what's this woman's name? Melinda Haag. H-A-A-G. She is the Attorney General for the State of California. Yes? I think so.

2:26:28 No. Yeah. She's an assistant or something. She can't be the Attorney General. She's an assistant Attorney General then. Well whose side is she on? She's supposed to be representing the people of California, not the US government. No. I'm telling you, people think California is so liberal? Ha! It's not liberal. We're slaves. All of you. The state telling you what to do. State telling you the attorney general is this creep Camilla Harris the one it used to be the San Francisco District Attorney And she was like a complete screw-up and somehow she got in over the Chief of Police of Los Angeles in the election I guess she's now she's brought in her stooges and

2:27:12 and I guess you know she's against marijuana. I mean, yes, the people's desire to have medical marijuana legalized. I think the whole state should have legalized the drug in the last election. They screwed up. I mean, this is what I've been listening to. I'm a California. I've listened to this all my life. How liberal the state is, they're always voting Democrat. They're gonna legalize marijuana. They get the opportunity and they say no. What the hell's wrong with these people? Well, we witnessed the media indoctrination. Remember? It was like, oh, the kids ate some cookies and they almost died. Remember when the vote was coming up and we had all these negative stories. Negative, negative, negative. We don't need more drugs. We need less. And you know, the rest of it. And by the way, at Occupy LA, not a single sign about legalizing marijuana. Hmm. That's not good. No, of course it's not good.

CHAPTER 44 / 45 Discussion

Pfizer Press Award, Vaccine for Smoking

Pfizer offers a "Press Award" of 5,000 euros to journalists who promote narratives about infectious diseases like H1N1. The hosts also highlight reports of "vaccines" being developed for smoking and cocaine addiction, questioning how a vaccine can treat a non-viral behavioral addiction.

pfizer· h1n1· swine flu· journalism· vaccines· cocaine addiction

2:28:03 People are afraid they get arrested. There was one more thing that caught my eye and I guess it's only in Gitmo Nation Lowlands and it's in the Netherlands and it's not in, it's not an international program. There's something called the Pfizer Press Award. Have you ever heard of such a thing? No, but I can just, I've heard of such a thing, not from Pfizer, but this is not uncommon. an uncommon thing that a lot of these large companies do. They reward the press who couch-housed it there. Yes, I will translate on the fly. Pfizer will be crowning journalists, that's a literal translation, who in 2011 paid attention in the public media to infectious and viral diseases such as the H1N1

2:28:59 swine flu virus. Journalists who wrote about these viral infection diseases or made an item for radio or television can submit themselves to the website. Prize 5000 euros and the four runner-ups get a thousand euros each. Wow. So essentially if you write about the H1N1 virus, propagate the meme of falsehood, Which turned out to be not such a big deal, we know that, and the vaccine didn't help anybody. Pandemic! Yeah, in fact, it gave a lot of people narcolepsy. If you wrote about it, you can submit your own story to show how great you are being a part of the system, and we'll reward you with 5,000 bucks.

2:29:51 So this happens more often? Big companies do this? They have a press prize? Oh yeah, there's a bunch of these crazy awards like this. They're all over the place. A press prize. Public relations companies give a lot of them out. Yeah, but Pfizer itself! Yeah, that's great. That to me was outrageous. They've been doing it since 1959 apparently. Yes, they have. Then a couple other things. They are back with the vaccine against smoking and cocaine. New York Times reporting that it's in the works! Which of course, a vaccine makes no sense because smoking addiction is not an actual virus that you pick up somewhere. You don't get the smoking addiction from someone. I don't think you can catch cocaine addiction from somebody. However, they're calling it vaccine. The New York Times, the paper of record, the truth is calling it a vaccine.

CHAPTER 45 / 45 Discussion

Ken Burns on Prohibition, 16th Amendment

Documentarian Ken Burns discusses the history of Prohibition and the power of the Anti-Saloon League. He explains how the 16th Amendment (income tax) was essential to Prohibition because it replaced the federal government's reliance on liquor tax revenue, which previously accounted for 70% of internal revenue.

ken burns· prohibition· anti-saloon league· 16th amendment· income tax· wayne b. wheeler

2:30:47 And Australian scientists have found that a type of immune response in the brain is linked to how we respond to alcohol. They were coming up with the Stay Sober pill. Which will fit right into our final clip. So you can drink as much as you want and you'll still stay sober. So set that clip up for me one more time, John. Yeah, this is Ken Burns, the documentarian who's always on PBS and made all his money there. And this thing I think kind of changed his attitude about his worldview a little bit from extremely liberal to a little more conservative. And it's about prohibition. It's just kind of the wrap up of the story and kind of the key to how it got started and some of the bad actors.

2:31:34 Some of the crap it's just a very kind of a summary of prohibition Happened in the 20s in the United States where they banned the sale of alcohol correct for 14 years, right? That was the 20th amendment or the 18th 18th amendment later repealed by the 21st and yet when it also brings up the question if marijuana is illegal why isn't there a constitutional amendment the same way there was with prohibition a A, well it's because we all want it, it's the drug companies who don't want to plant weaselin' in on their business. Why isn't there a constitutional amendment? How can it be legal to make marijuana illegal the same way alcohol was made? It had to be a constitutional amendment. It's because the government's decided they don't need constitutional amendments, they can just do what they want.

2:32:18 These questions and more will be answered for you on Thursday. Coming to you from the Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center in the morning, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where we're producing the 10th poll of all podcasts, I'm John C. Dvorak. No Agenda producer update coming up after the show live on the stream and we'll be back here Thursday on No Agenda. The right to vote and had absolutely no rights at the beginning of the 19th century but who through their support of abolition and temperance began to find that voice, began to achieve that agency, began to act outside the house in powerful and interesting ways. That movement ebbed and flowed. It was of course hijacked by those who thought not just temperance

2:33:01 but total abstinence, capital T total abstinence would be the best thing. And of course a new modern single issue movement was born that blotted out the efforts of the Women's Christian Temperance Union and other periodic crusades that were sponsored by women across the country and taken over by the single most effective and powerful lobbying organization in the history of the United States. Something a group that I had never heard of going into this project called the Anti-Saloon League. Its leader, Wayne B. Wheeler, was as powerful as any human being has ever been outside of holding public office in the United States, and I had never heard of him either. It was said of Wayne B. Wheeler that he could make the Senate of the United States sit up and beg, and he did, and they did.

2:33:53 It is an interesting and fascinating story as the Women's Christian Temperance Union was sort of shoved aside and the Anti-Saloon League with its single issue campaign. They wanted only one goal, the elimination of alcohol and worked tirelessly to do it. And they were willing to compromise on nothing and yet willing to make alliances with anybody if it would advance their goal. when Myron T. Herrick, who was the very popular but moderate Republican governor of Ohio, said he thought that local towns should have a voice in what they were doing. The anti-Saloon League got him unelected and the Democratic challenger, who was thought to have no chance in the race, elected in his place. It is a fascinating story which seems

2:34:43 ultimately modern in every respect. They were turning out tons and tons and tons of anti-liquor propaganda every month from their plant in Westerville, Ohio, which was their headquarters, a town just north of Columbus. It is a fascinating story. But what is more fascinating is how a majority of Americans came to embrace the notion that we needed an amendment to the Constitution that actually limited human freedom when every other amendment to the Constitution has actually expanded human freedom. That has been the American model. We have moved forward into our uncertain future by extending to our citizens more rights than they had before. This is the only amendment

2:35:32 that actually curtailed those rights. And by the turn of the 20th century and in the first two decades of that tumultuous century, we found a huge, strange collection of people who were for prohibition in some way, shape or form. Progressives were for it as well as the very conservative anti-saloon league. Democrats as well as Republicans Prohibition came to be seen as a way to solve all of society's ills, that we could just swallow this pill, this magic bullet, this panacea which would change everything. That every family would be improved, that the slums would empty, men would walk upright, the evangelist Billy Sunday said. Women would smile, children would laugh, and hell would forever be for rent.

2:36:22 if this amendment went through. Industrialists like Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller were for it because they thought that alcohol weakened the output of their working man. The Wobblies, the radical labor union of the IWW, the International Workers of the World, were for it too. They saw prohibition, they saw alcohol as a capitalist plot to destroy the working man and joined this odd bandwagon towards prohibition. We had the NAACP was for it, Booker T. Washington arguing always and passionately for a black advancement and the development of a black middle class saw the obstacle of alcoholism as central or as a huge enough problem that they needed to join that bandwagon. But then the Ku Klux Klan was for it too.

2:37:18 They were anti-Catholic, anti-Jew, anti-black, and the last thing they feared was a black man with a bottle in one hand and a ballot in the other. Everything coalesced around it. And then finally, as we moved into the second decade of the 20th century, two things sort of made it a reality. The first was was the 16th Amendment. Now, the Anti-Saloon League shrewdly allied themselves, many would say cynically allied themselves, with progressive groups interested in the redistribution of wealth in the United States because there was in that time, as we argue and debate today, a huge disparity between the haves and the have-nots. The Gilded Age and the Robber Barons had squeezed the middle class,

2:38:04 The poor were rising in their ranks, the rich were getting richer, and progressive movement wanted among a number of agendas to redistribute the wealth in the United States. They thought the best way to do this was to pass an amendment to the Constitution that would initiate an income tax. Strangely, the Anti-Saloon League joined with them because they knew that by supporting this amendment, they would ensure that the liquor industry, the brewers and distillers, would no longer have the symbiotic relationship they had with Uncle Sam. Because up to that point, fully 70% of all internal revenues for the federal government came

2:38:46 from taxing beer and spirits. And despite local prohibition movements, the beer and the liquor industries were confident that they would never be disconnected from their, the person most addicted to them, which was the federal government. The income tax proved them wrong and they found themselves in deep trouble. Devorak.org slash N-A Adios, mofo.