Episode 309 · Thursday, 2 June 2011

Syria Be Next

A high-profile congressional sex scandal collides with shifting geopolitical doctrines as the State Department maneuvers through leadership changes at the IMF and escalating military intervention in Libya.

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About this episode

Representative Anthony Weiner faces a media firestorm following a lewd Twitter photo scandal that has drawn aggressive scrutiny from CNN and Fox News. The controversy deepens as questions arise regarding the role of his wife, Huma Abedin, a top aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and the potential involvement of State Department technical experts in the unfolding narrative. This digital fallout coincides with a broader media push for the Budapest Convention and increased internet regulation under the guise of a rising hacker meme.

International tensions escalate as the Obama administration bypasses the War Powers Resolution to continue military operations in Libya despite official denials of boots on the ground. In Paris, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shifts her explanation for the famous Situation Room hand gesture while signaling support for Christine Lagarde to lead the IMF following the arrest of Dominique Strauss-Kahn. Meanwhile, General Wesley Clark’s 2001 Pentagon memo regarding the targeting of seven countries remains a focal point as regional instability spreads toward Syria. Domestic concerns also mount as the Oakland Police Department and TSA face allegations of prioritizing profit and theft over public safety, while the automotive industry introduces Progressive Snapshot surveillance devices.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak prepare for the No Agenda Hot Pockets RV Tour across America after listener Maggie Vincent donated a thirty-foot vehicle for the journey. The duo explores the cultural shift toward genderless parenting in Canada and the strange timing of a German E. coli outbreak linked to Spanish cucumbers. Between tracking solar flare activity and debating the merits of Peter Thiel’s anti-college program, the hosts acknowledge new knights of the 309er Club and the birth of a new human resource in the Dechille family.


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CHAPTER 01 / 30 Discussion

Eric Dechille and the New Human Resource

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the show by congratulating Eric Dechille on the birth of a new child, referred to as a "new human resource." The hosts joke about the family's wealth and discuss the possibility of raising goats at the Hilltop Watchtower, noting the animals' tendency to jump fences.

eric dechille· mimi· baby· human resource· goats

00:00 I am offended by such a usage. Adam Curry, John C. Devorah. And it's Thursday June 2nd 2011 time to give donation media assassination episode 309-er This is no agenda Finding new uses for my cucumbers here at the Hilltop Watchtower, Crackpot Command Center, Gimel Nation West and People's Republic of Southern California. In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where i had something clever to say wrote it down and then lost it...I am John C. Dvorak I'm Buzzkill! In the morning. Good morning to you, John. In the morning to you Adam Curry and all ships at sea and feet in the air. And congratulations Opa!

00:45 You've contributed to a brand new human resource. You're rich! 9.1 million dollars in the family We have another nine point one million dollar member of the extended household Eric Dechille and you can congratulate him people there in the chat room I had a French kid somehow Henri, Henri Le Chille Henri? Henri Le Chille Mimi must be- He keeps calling Henry but it's spelled Honoree. Mimi must be beside herself, she must be so happy

01:22 Doesn't she like, you know, little goats? Oh yeah. She's thrilled! Gives her more to do for baby sake. No doesn't she like little goats and lambs and stuff...and chickens isn't she? We don't have goats. You know, goats has been on the agenda And it just hasn't happened because I think we need to wall them in because they jump. Next thing you know you got goats all over the neighborhood Goats are silly pets They're not very fun Goats are great. They eat everything no, it's they're not great on trim you can't pet them because they run away You can't ride him Trust me I've tried I'd try to ride my goat and if you bend over they give you one right in the butt big time And it hurry go and it hurts too

CHAPTER 02 / 30 Discussion

Genderless Child Parenting Controversy and Lady Gaga Promotion

A Canadian couple's decision to raise their baby, Storm, without a designated gender sparks international criticism and media coverage on ABC News. The hosts suggest the story is a "fractal" of 1970s social experiments and potentially a marketing promotion for Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" album.

storm· genderless child· lady gaga· abc news· androgyny

02:08 Johnny boy yeah, well that's nice. That's we're very happy for you There's nothing like the joy of a new child and I bet you're so happy your hundreds of miles away You gotta go up though man you got to go up you gotta see the kid when are you gonna? Go I'm going shortly not yet today aren't you you leaving today? I know you are. I'm reminded, you know this dude...I think i was suggesting this but no one wants to listen to me but there are ideas about this By the way yeah that's right no one wants to listen to ya end of story They don't! So, um... You got a clip about goats or kids? Which one? About kids. These people! There's this story that ran It's been running here and there but it's about the genderless child Oh! Okay So this family decides they just have a baby and so they decide to make it genderless This is the stupidest story by the way I think uh..I've collected for a long time

03:10 uh... let's see what i wanted to do well there it is a play bc news as i was on the abc network news that was a big reason breaking story ever set this up yeah okay before we go on with anything else but he was and uh... it was an abc network is added in his case did you start out with this stupid story then it continues on with the with the with the story about a u two video does one network news has come back company com looking for g cute youtube videos Anyway, so this couple and apparently this has happened before is a fairly long report but very funny. There's aspects of it being completely ludicrous because somebody some expert comes in said well the child may have gender identity issues if this continues and it's like a baby! Let me listen to the clip I never set up

04:00 We're going to turn now to a controversial decision by mother and father, to allow their baby... ...to choose his or her own identity. The couple won't say whether their new child is a boy or girl and they say with good reason but so many others are not convinced of this And here's Lindsay Davis A blonde-haired, blue eyed five month old baby named Storm. We know all the basics about this baby except whether it's a boy or girl The Canadian couple decided not to share storm sex because they want to allow the baby to develop without the constraints of gender stereotypes It is being kept so under wraps

04:35 Not even the grandparents know if they have a granddaughter or grandson. And ever since they said the gender of their baby is none of the world's business, suddenly the world not only wants to know but feels entitled to criticize their parenting style. I think it causes a lot of confusion don't you think for the child? Babystorm has caused a blizzard of criticism on the internet where bloggers are saying things like our kids are now science experiments sad and another example of where the world is heading absolute stupidity but Kathy Witterecht Storm's mother is defending their decision to keep the baby's private parts private in a

05:12 In a letter to ABC News, she said the strong lightning fast vitriolic response was a shock and that Storm will need to understand his her own sex and gender to navigate this world. The outcry has confirmed it. Cheryl Kelo Davis experienced a similar backlash earlier this year after allowing her five-year old son to dress up as a princess for a preschool Halloween party but the big difference in that case Her son made the decision. Storm didn't choose to be genderless The parents are making huge decisions for this child that can cause it to be ostracized, that can cause it to feel humiliated To cause it to feel a lot of doubt and uncertainty about who it is This concept dates back to the 70s when X, a fabulous child story appeared in Ms Magazine It's a fictional story about a baby who was raised not as a girl or boy but as an ex

06:02 The parents decide not to tell anyone whether X is a boy or girl. Sound familiar? And Lindsay, who's been covering the stories with us now and you were telling me earlier that this is not the first couple to have done this There's actually a couple in Sweden who two years ago got a lot of publicity for the same thing with a child named Pop and it's basically the same premise where they don't want society To assign the gender they want their child to have the freedom to choose It's a couple years later do we know yet We still don't know what pop was genderist. Alright it is provocative Lindsay Davis thanks so much and when we... You know this is an agenda John, and I've been seeing this go as this is two things one this of course is what the New World Order elites really want us all to do just to be a mindless genderless human resources

06:49 And that's just three things actually. It's a fractal from the 70s story, but more importantly it's promotion for Lady Gaga's album Born This Way That's what this story is about It's a it's a promotion for I like that kid. It's a promotion for an album Yeah well That's what she's all about she's the same way like the genderless yeah She has these kind of mutants dancers you can't tell if they're men or women are white man and and uh... i can't believe we opened the show with that. That's an all new low. Well you brought it up by bringing up the baby. An all new low! There are a couple of little things, actually more subtle than the Lady Gaga observation which I'm not going to argue against. You may have stumbled onto something

07:31 But, for one thing the arrogance of the parents because it goes...the relationships with all their friends goes like this. Oh you had a new baby! Is it a boy or girl? None of your business! I don't know which candies to put on Rusks whether they should be pink or blue And you have the rusk issue and also that during the story they had these quotes that they read, these were like quotes from Twitter. When does network news... Yeah I know, they've been reading hashtags. I'm surprised she didn't say hashtag sad because it's completely well Twitter dominated the news! The biggest distraction of the week

08:13 Yeah, we'll talk about that. I just want to make a couple more last observations on this particular story One the dad is never shown or mentioned and whether he is into this or not I don't know but the woman is very let's say Diesel Dycky and the mom, and I suspect that it's her idea. But whatever the case this story is just like an eye roller And then of the analysis of us is all the kid could have all kinds of a you know The kid in Sweden is two years old he still to or she is still too I mean you're not going to have, if the kid is 13 and this is still going on then I'd say yeah maybe you should address it but what difference does that make? Boy girl at the age... It's only a convenience at that point. You know so he can give them their just say they are boy or dress them in blue or pink who knows who cares. Hey Opa! I think this story has overblown but I think your right. Its a promotion for Lady Gaga its nothing else the whole androgyny thing. It's blatant

CHAPTER 03 / 30 Discussion

Anthony Weiner Twitter Photo Scandal and Media Coverage

Representative Anthony Weiner faces intense media scrutiny following the posting of a lewd photograph to his Twitter account. The discussion focuses on the aggressive coverage by CNN's Wolf Blitzer and Anderson Cooper, as well as Weiner's combative interview with Fox News reporter Brett Baier regarding claims of being hacked.

anthony weiner· wolf blitzer· anderson cooper· twitter· brett baier

09:16 So anyway, yes the number one story and obviously gonna have to talk about you we can talk about it before after mentioning the executive producers I might want to get that out of the way first because okay um let's do it let's do wiener first and that cuz the producers is like I don't want anyone feeling like they're responsible for this now. Of course if you watch the news or what is called the news And there's a couple of observations to be made about this. First, we're talking about Anthony Weiner now we talked about this early on Sunday as it was just coming and we were already laughing about it then I really didn't expect it to get any play because Anthony Weiner is a Democrat he's Chuck Schumer's boy but I think that there there's a subtext going on here

10:06 And of course most people will have seen by now if you watch noagentivenewsnetwork.com or if you watch some of the mainstream news then you probably saw these CNN pieces, CNN seem to be over this the most where Anthony Weiner is basically getting into a big huff with the CNN reporter and he calls the producer a jackass, like oh! And they play these endless endless clips. I'm talking like four or five minutes of this stuff and they literally set it up... Wolf Blitzer Literally setting it up with this is long, but it's really interesting and an Anderson. That's bad Anderson Vanderbilt never do that as like I got a joke that's hilarious You're gonna laugh when you hear this one yeah exactly ever funny and then Andersen Vanderbilt 360 who by the way? you know it's like

10:59 He's so he is so actually horny about this you can just see it his whole show was about this penis picture His whole show I swear and well, yeah And where's keeping him honest Anderson? He's like we're keeping them on us but no hard-hitting questions here. Yeah So But here's... You know what I have not seen? What? I have not seen the uh, but i know it is coming as soon as they suggested some of you probably go out and do it. Uh, I know that when George Bush had a was doing the debates and he had this thing in his back Yeah that receiver And then they would start to do photo enhancement using various filters who could bring out the details yeah we say how come no one has done that in Photoshop Where are the details on this thing On this monster This nyoka which is Swahili for snake

11:47 Okay, so he so of course we don't want to replay any of this stuff because it's I'll just give you my quick I have I do want to play. I got one thing I want to play in a but will do yours first Just let me say this after analyzing everything and after wiener came out yesterday with a whole new strategy And now he can't say with certitude what a great word by the way? I mean of all the words sir. I can't I can't say with certitude that it is my My picture of me. I don't know what the deal is with that, it's obvious that its his picture. I'm gonna tell you what happened!

12:24 It's a picture was on his BlackBerry and he made a mistake But instead of being a man and just owning up to it He may not have it doesn't matter who we sent the two whatever The fact is he lied, and then he's backpedaling And of course our great technology press looking at you John You know if everyone has to go like to he got hacked Twitter that oh good hack Where's the technology prison press on the hack ability of Twitter? No one's talking about that. Where is our great news organization seeing if Twitter is hackable? Because, gee! If we all accept that Anthony Weiner's Twitter account was hacked... Well listen douchebag Andy Carvin maybe all those tweets you're passing on to our national treasure are hacked as well and aren't actually from people on the ground in the Arab Spring I don't think the technology person can be blamed for anything because everybody knows that you can get somebody's password by

13:19 you know various methodologies is not that big of a deal it's not what is and wasn't technically hacked well we saw the word hat is continuously used well actually in the clip I have here you might want to play which is Wiener trying to beg off he kind of discusses the word hacked in the Wiener vs. Brett Baier which is a one of the interviews that was clipped a lot this is the whole interview which is still clip but it's longer we're not going to play all four minutes of this are you out of your mind? just play what you can until you get sick of it wait, wait stop

13:55 So I want people to pay attention to one thing because we're dealing with a major news network, what's their name Fox right? Yeah. Listen to the sound on that nobody miked Bayer! You know this is interesting because CNN in the beginning had a problem and hadn't miked Wiener That's very interesting. I noticed this... Where are the, you know what? This is the low budget kind of quality we now get on the networks Yeah and when and when we clip it sounds even worse people so could you please get it together so that we can have quality on our show We're concerned about saying anything definitively You know pictures get manipulated Pictures get dropped into accounts And so we've asked an internet security firm and a law firm to take a hard look at this and try to come up with a conclusion Hard Look! Hard Look!!

14:38 Yeah, he's completely moved this to well people always make jokes about wiener I've grown up with wiener jokes. About what happened and how we make sure it doesn't happen again Is there a picture out there of you in your Well, ors that you are worried about it. You can't defend it. You know say that here's not you? You know we're here We've been sitting down for a brief moment already asking if there are pictures of me in my drawers I mean look I wanted us here well affairs you asked to interview me And I'm doing the interview invited all the networks here too. I assume clear up What was a very vague and evasive and combative?

15:15 Well, meeting with reporters yesterday. In fairness I answered questions about this on Saturday. Oh please! I can't listen to this...I've heard all of this a million times it's all their play You have heard it but our listeners may not have Are you kidding me? What are they living under a rock?! Everyone has heard this Okay so here is the one that you want to play then O'Reilly Really!? Could you just let me- do you want me to stop talking No I don't have a lot of other clips. I know that's what so sad, i've got tons of other stuff because I was not being distracted by this. I was distracted but I was mostly distracted. Wow that some big penis, I'm distracted and I don't know what to do! I don't see where there was big... all I saw was just like..

CHAPTER 04 / 30 Discussion

Huma Abedin and the Clinton State Department Connection

The hosts examine the background of Anthony Weiner's wife, Huma Abedin, noting her long-standing role as a top aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. They question why CNN edited out references to her high-level government position and speculate on the involvement of "techno experts" from the State Department in the unfolding scandal.

huma abedin· hillary clinton· anthony weiner· state department· bill clinton

15:59 That's why I would like to see some enhancement. I don't see a penis in there, just a lump. Could have been a sock. John! John! Do you want to see some enhancement? Really?! Are you okay? No not really... You're right, I'm not-I don't really want to but they would think that somebody would- Because i have something that is actually interesting about this but we'll play your O'Reilly clip Is this another Weiner? Is it another Penis pun? Don't play the O'Reilly Clip. Go ahead take it. No I'm going to play the O'Reilly Clip. That needs to be set up. So just go on with whatever you got all right, so there is a throwback in all of this There was a movie and I can't and I was hoping you might be able to remember it there was a movie in maybe was the late 70's and

16:40 And there's this woman, she gets into big trouble. She is a government official and she is lying about what happened and it turns out at the end of the movie after all of Congress and everyone signs off on that, you can tell us who blew the whistle on you we won't prosecute this person it turns out it was her six-year old daughter what was the name of that movie I never heard of such a movie see I just can't come up with it so somebody in the chat room will know. So there was a pretty valid thought out there that maybe he was covering... The 6 year old daughter took the picture? Maybe he was covered, no but maybe someone he was covering for someone who did this they didn't want to get them involved which I think is pretty valid

17:28 And Wolf Blitzer, of all people in the world actually asked are you protecting someone? His answer was interesting but more interesting is... He's protecting little Anthony. This is a big federal issue Are you protecting anyone? Yes Who? So who is it? Now this is where gets interesting Protecting my wife Who everyday is waking up to these insane stories. So, last night as I was scanning the airwaves this story had been edited from its original version so he talks about yeah i'm protecting my wife it's really horrible but what I have here is the unedited version do you know who Anthony Weiner's wife is? Who?

18:13 that are getting so far from reality. You know, we've been married less than a year to watch her watch these stories get some crazier and crazier about what is essentially a prank, a hoax you know when you went to bed that night not batting an eye this was a goofy thing that happened she married a congressman okay she knows a little something about living in public life She knows with that goes a certain amount of aggravation I don't think she imagined that it would be this. These bizarre stories about people who are connected to me by eight or nine rings of connection on social media, I'm protecting her the best i can. Um...I can handle myself these poor people who are getting dragged into this with these more and more bizarre conspiracy theories. So here's where the edit occurred on the new CNN story so here is the original When CNN puts this Breitbart guy down and says most outlandish thing about complete innocent people

19:07 You know, I can take the flack but at some point when i say you know what? I'm not going to do any more questions about that. It is to some degree a certain amount of integrity for all of us that we are in this place where constantly having this conversation about something that was essentially a prank. I know your wife Houma she's she's a great lady and your very lucky guy to be married to her She works for the Secretary of State has been for a long time How is she handling all these? Well, she's bemused. You know she has some experience and she is not a public person as you know I mean She went the entire campaign in 2008 with probably most Americans not knowing that she was traveling chief of staff to Hillary Clinton Aha! Now why did they cut that out on CNN? Why do they play 5 minutes of bullshit...I'm sorry excuse me BS story And cut out the part where she is currently still working for Secretary of State

20:02 Was her chief of staff while she was traveling during the presidential elections? I think it puts a an angle on this that no one's looked at what's the angle though techno experts Tech techno experts. Oh, yeah, you got me on that one techno experts Yeah We need to keep that clip hand Hillary Clinton's got her techno experts and as Anthony Wiener himself said no I tweet myself But you know sometimes we hire a firm to do mass emails and then they made it so his password is out there Okay This was no hack His password is out there many people have it Hillary Clinton State Department she has techno experts

20:39 They know how to do this stuff. So maybe it was an inside prank like let's mess with the boss or let's mess with someone else because you know The reason is this was edited out of the all subsequent airings of this is Because Clinton's called the Clinton called up and say I don't want to be any part of this Bill Clinton by the way presided over their wedding Anthony Weiner, and His and his wife. Well, let's put it this way he's got his tit in a ringer All right Let's thank some people who are probably gonna be very embarrassed to be producers of this show At least the opening not necessarily you're right we got some good stuff coming up Yeah, we got two executive producers into associate executive producers for today showed debate actually curiously and what's weird is that these two

CHAPTER 05 / 30 Discussion

Executive Producer Credits and 309er Club Donations

The show acknowledges top donors and executive producers for episode 309, including Sir Jordi Ramirez and Sir Sander Huxbergen. The hosts discuss donation amounts, ring sizes for the No Agenda knighthoods, and the "309er Club" membership.

jordi ramirez· sander huxbergen· emmanuel lozier· donations· 309er club

21:33 execs executive producers are both members of the 309 club and the curious part is that they did those donations came in almost simultaneously you know it's nice that people are back on the club numbers because we hadn't had that for a while and remember once your lines a good number yeah we have three three three coming up everybody 309 or Club I might point out so we have sir Jordi Ramirez from Cancun yo Live in the life of Riley hi again from knit get mo nation taco the donations and commemoration was 35th birthday And he needs his ring size changed to 9.5 is that big well? I don't you know That's a funny thing I'd see all these ring sizes, and I don't I think I don't have any wiener size isn't it? Sander

22:24 Sander hulk sir sir so sir and her thunder sir sound fun our Huxbury it's Bergen yes Hawks Bergen yeah yeah uh... three oh nine members ron i could just support the fantastic show thanks and we have a couple of associate executive this is emmanuel low cd in brose are dk back new listener asia new donor anew don't or not to keen on letting people draw money weekly monthly on my account so try to contribute everyone's know why i wish somebody would do the same as you do here in quebec In the meantime, you're the ones getting my donation. Wish somebody would do the same... Oh I see! In other words they's..I guess Please keep up with good work PS I'm highly critical of some your views but open-minded enough to hear them out and it is worth $233.33 apparently to disagree. Tim, would you... Excuse me for interrupting. I am reliably informed that Miss Mickey has size 8 so a size 9 point 2 whatever for guys not all that big

23:25 Okay, it's all right. Yeah Tim Wichenski and Elkins of West Virginia Random Hillbilly which is what he yeah the rule of section 215 donations that you cannot discuss the name of the person giving the donation well I'm sorry that was But that's a second time we've called random hillbilly by some crazy Polish or yes We'll just keep doing those are our executive producers for show 309 good job So the big news of course is that today not only did Eric DeShill receive a new human resource but the knight and dame rings should be in today which is very exciting. So we should have pictures and stuff, he'll be sending them out as soon as the early morning feeding is done

CHAPTER 06 / 30 Discussion

Podcast License Domain and CSS Design Challenge

Adam Curry discusses a potential project to sell official "podcast licenses" for $33.33 via the domain podcastlicense.com. The segment also highlights a CSS design challenge for the show notes, featuring a Steve Jobs-themed layout for the previous episode.

dave winer· podcastlicense.com· css· show notes· steve jobs

24:12 Yeah, then we have a number of domain name forwards that were always highly appreciative of and of course now We are collecting these Simon Reed is keeping this all together at domains dot na show notes calm These are domain names it forward to know agenda show calm Osama bin Laden DNA test comm which I thought was kind of nice This week in douche calm. I feel the whole network coming on You know we have this week in tech, this week in Google, this week in startups. And now there's a new show ThisWeekInDouche.com Screw... what is this? How does it screw the... I don't even know how to pronounce this Oh! ScrewTheSystem.info Okay Got that one Yeah those are domain name forwards There's couple things I wanted to mention One

25:09 We had we have an ongoing design challenge for the show notes and the domain Registry as it were at domains dot know what na shownotes calm if you are any good at CSS just Go to the show notes today will be three zero Niner dot NA shownotes comm and you can actually design that but did you see the 308 designed John? Do you see what was done there no, oh well, we got a In honor of the WWDC Developers Conference in for Apple we have a Steve Jobs theme for 308.na show notes calm I'm not I forget who has podcast license calm, but it got an idea I think you and I were talking about it after the show then actually I discussed this with

25:58 with my partner in crime who was at the beginning of the creation of podcasting, ooh such a controversial statement Dave Weiner he says that he doesn't want any part of any money. He doesn't want any part of us guys! I said dude we're the ones that could hand out the podcast license nah I don't like asking for money from people and i said... He doesn't do anything like that. That didn't surprise me at all Once you get over that hump it's not that hard So I'm thinking why don't we actually do that if the person who owns podcastlicense.com could shoot me an email Then yeah, I need to have the a record set up And and I think we should we should sell podcast licenses maybe $33 John is that a reasonable price $33 in 33 cents Yeah, I think there'll be a reasonable price and you will put your name right there on the page as an official licensed Podcaster so when it comes around

CHAPTER 07 / 30 Discussion

Maggie Vincent and the Hot Pockets RV Tour

Listener Maggie Vincent offers her 30-foot RV to the hosts for a "No Agenda Hot Pockets Tour." The hosts plan to fly to Virginia to collect the vehicle and discuss using reprographic vinyl stickers to brand the RV with show graphics, similar to Sarah Palin's campaign bus.

maggie vincent· rv tour· virginia· hot pockets· reprographics

26:56 And you have to have a license. When the cops show up? Yeah, because excuse me it's right here it is documented I've got a podcast license. I'm licensed to podcasts! Yeah and all of the ten podcasters that listen to our show will get one of these licenses Now we have extremely exciting news and even though it is not on this spreadsheet there will be a knighting today although its a dame John, I think you probably caught this somewhere because the Twitters were more or less rampant with the information. Maggie Vincent from Virginia has kindly offered her 30-foot RV for the Getmo Nation Hot Pockets No Agenda Tour

27:44 This is the part where you get really excited. That's great! You're such a dick, what do you mean? This is great this fantastic I just said... What did I say?! Nothing!! Just assume that I'm like Dutch So uh We were just blown away she said look I have this thing it says from 2003 It's completely perfect working order only like 10,000 miles on and she said I'm not using it this summer feel free to come pick it up And so is it in Virginia Fredericksburg and you have to fly so what you would do is fly to Virginia. Yeah, we're gonna fly to Virginia and get picked up by someone well Maggie says she'll pick us at the airport yeah no no then you jump No, the sequence is not quite right We fly there She says then will have a hot tub and martinis party To kick it off Then we had a hot tub and martinis apparently she's got a hot tub

28:39 Yeah, I would make sure you get photos here She's a photo by the way just to complete my theory. She's a sysadmin Okay, sis admin save the world once again so Maggie is kindly and you can thank her and follow her at maggie Vincent on on Twitter And it's a word as you can imagine extremely excited about this she also thinks we should Name it the Hot Pockets 2008 Tour. So she's a true listener when you come up with something like that. Well we gotta find, here is our next little challenge, mini-challenge We got to find someone who has a shop, a reprographic shop

29:26 because that's what you want. You want a reprographic, we may have to buy this but the reprographics are the guys who make the big giant posters and billboards and all these big things... Right right yeah We need a big thing And they can make a vinyl temporary stick on vinyl kind of poster for the side of the thing that can be just removed when your done so your not painting the thing or destroying it something like Sarah Palins has done with one of these reprographic operations So her face? Or her van That van, that she's got a- She's got a van very similar to the one you're in. It's not a van dude it's a 30 foot RV with brown and grey water whatever that means but we have to look out for her. So she has 120 foot bus but anyway besides that point

30:10 She's got this huge bus with the Sarah Palin graphics all over it, which was really nicely done. And because you have to realize that this... To put this stuff on these... Do you see it on buses? I think we should have a big picture of Anthony Weiner as boxers on the side You know what, I think is such a vague photo If maybe it was enhanced So anyway Get CSI on it We'll get one of those, absolutely. We'll get one of those vinyl stickers. With the noagendershow.com that's got to be the biggest thing and that would be on the side and then off you go! So obviously when you look at value for value this is huge so I think we may even have to make her a baroness and not just a dame what do you think?

CHAPTER 08 / 30 Discussion

RV Test Trip and Listener Hospitality Offers

Adam Curry prepares for a test run of a rented 27-foot RV with Ms. Mickey, traveling through Palm Springs and Death Valley. They review hospitality offers from listeners across the country, including a tour of a major telecom hub in Denver, and discuss producing a photo book of the journey.

palm springs· death valley· rv· mike from colorado· photo book

30:59 I think that's probably not a bad idea. Or high priestess is another one we could do. Give her the state of Virginia, she'll have the state of Virginia. You know what? We make her a baroness and she gets the State of Virginia okay yeah now on that note Miss Mickey and I today initiate our test uh...we have rented 27 foot RV we're picking it up today, and we leave either tonight or early tomorrow morning And we're not quite sure which direction. We're going but we will drive Go to Palm Springs I keep telling you funny You say that because the idea is to go to Palm Springs then loop back through Death Valley and yeah, and Sunday morning Sunday morning the show will emanate from the test vehicle

31:44 so uh... you know this is a full-on test to see and how everything works and we gotta get our feet wet in driving an understanding these great brown water thing uh... so i have to say on that right now mhmm yes it does not sound so well i said about that so uh... well you'd be surprised how much brown water those things are carried so uh... let me just sit put it make him point here for ya i took one of these things are very long trip with the wife and kids, and I would say that after about a week of being on the road in one of these little devices which is... The one i had was like similar to the size you're getting. Yours might be a little bigger it's pretty big that one 30 foots pretty big. Yeah its huge! And imagine a thirty-foot yacht as large. This is this is a long thing yeah You by about day eight day nine I'm guessing I could be wrong you'll become into blows

32:42 Yeah, well every step of this trip is I don't mean to be dark no. No I know every step of this trip is going to Be documented Eric the shield will be the back office you'll be able to follow our GPS track which will be delayed So we don't like yeah We also want to have some privacy so we don't have enemies in this show and I mean yeah Enemies are the show coming to kill us But what's really nice is since this news of the Hot Pockets vehicle has come out, we've received even more invitations. And remember you can email micky at curry dot com m i c k y she's the keeper of all the info on the trip and here's just one that she forwarded to me from Mike from Wade Slave formerly known as Mike from Colorado

33:30 And he's welcoming us to his home. By the way, everyone says you know park in my driveway steal my Wi-Fi Swap my wife I mean all this great stuff is coming up Denver of course home with the Denver Federal Center Suppose a new headquarters the CIA as a federal employee. I have access would you like it to her? Also, the telecom building at 14th Street good tour yeah at 14th Street and Champa in downtown Roots nearly all internet traffic to the west coast through the Midwest It's been said that if that building were to be destroyed most of the Western United States would lose all internet access So we're probably gonna go visit Mike but it's really really nice everywhere in the country people are offering

34:12 hospitality and we really look forward to it. And of course, we will need continuous support for the show as a...as we roll throughout the Gitmo Nation States if there's any ideas that you have in regards to that those are also welcome so just very excited and it's gonna be great! We're also going to do a... Ms. Mickey is gonna do a photo book which if we can find a reasonably Inexpensive way to produce it. We'd love to China Call the ring guys see if they can help no ring guys forget them There's a lot of good book printers in China quick does all the books now all those photo books that you're talking about from child done in China like the Tashin books are those from done in China I don't know are they? I don't know That's what I'm asking because they sell enough They got like the big butt books 65 bucks how can you make that book for 65 bucks on understand as made in China right

CHAPTER 09 / 30 Discussion

Gary Johnson Interview Announcement and Guest Policy

Adam Curry announces an upcoming live-streamed interview with presidential candidate and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson. While the show typically avoids guests, Curry explains that this conversation will be released as a separate podcast feed, following the model of his previous interview with Ron Paul.

gary johnson· presidential candidate· new mexico· ron paul· interview

35:10 Programming note Tuesday 11 a.m. Gitmo Nation West time on the stream write it down in your calendar I will be interviewing presidential candidate Gary Johnson On the show, I guess someone from his camp heard us talking about it and Got in touch with me and said hey that we'd love to have the the governor of New Mexico on The show. I said well It's not gonna be on the show but here's what will do will will talk for as long as the governor has time like we did with Ron Paul at the time and We'll stream it live And we might use a clip or two from the show who also put the show the interview out as a full podcast

35:50 So hey man, I think that's kind of interesting so people have to realize we don't do guests on this show No We don't we don't just two guys talking but it'll. I think it'll be well It'll just be me and Gary Johnson talking which I think will be fun Well once you know there's I want to use that as a whole show if you can talk to him for two and A half hours Could you just send him the bell? Can you bring some clips some clips and bring us slide whistle oh And one of these things you're hot you're hired that should be fun. Yeah, and if you got any questions yeah email them to me and Guy I'd ya know how I do interviews or just ask the guy question let him talk am I gonna force him in? I'm gonna be confrontational all I want to know is how he's gonna pay for it all

36:35 I'm gonna take some money from some banks like Obama. What are you gonna do? Of course see it! Well, if he's serious about it... I just give it out to everybody they don't show real favoritism until near the end when they know who is going to win BOOM So support for the show is extremely important. We'll be talking later in our donation segment about a new development with our other national treasure PBS to show you just how important it is that we continue to do this work without commercial interruption or commercial corruption as it were And the place to do that, of course is devorak.org slash N A So we highly appreciate the support from our associate executive producers Emmanuel Lausier Random Hillbilly and of course our executive producers and 309er club members Sir Jordi Ramirez and Sir Sondra Huxbergen

37:28 Both of you and our associate executive producers, all four of you can put this on your stationary. You can put it on your IMDB account anywhere you want. It's an official credit. There is nothing less official... Hello everybody! What am I trying to say? It's just as official as a Hollywood credit. It's a real Hollywood credit! Oh yeah, and we won't screw you by telling ya that we never heard of ya Yeah no, well actually vouch for you That's the whole idea Everybody else out there what you can do to support is propagate the formula Our formula is this We go out...we hit people in the mouth So uh Lucifer was in Paris

CHAPTER 10 / 30 Discussion

Hillary Clinton Paris Interview and Bin Laden Situation Room

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton conducts interviews in Paris, where she discusses the 38-minute operation to kill Osama bin Laden. The hosts analyze her changing explanations for her hand gesture in the famous Situation Room photo, moving from a "cough" to "holding her breath."

hillary clinton· paris· situation room· osama bin laden· 38 minutes

38:29 Lucifer. Oh, why? She needed a trim? And she's wearing this outrageous yellow outfit our dear Lucifer Hillary Clinton and you know I love it when when she goes on tour and she does interviews with foreign press Because that's when she starts to you know get kind of like she slips up a little bit. Yeah, and she thinks it's like nobody's paying attention Exactly and she saw she's in the mood. She's in France shopping shoes getting her hair done getting a new dress Well, that's not true That's not true It's not true. She has no time so she's interviewed by walking around she's on the shop Sally's day

39:14 I got a couple of different clips here which is just too hilarious. She was interviewed by this gorgeous woman from LTF1, I guess which is the French television and the woman who's gorgeous and the Russians could take note for Russia today. But she's got to get their act together, but she literally in the interview it went like Hillary would answer a question then there'd be like a three second pause the woman would look down at her paper and read the next question and then look up it was like wow really so but Hillary actually as he threw another one add us you know she said if you're in Paris you're in Paris yeah that with all the elites you must talk like the elites what do you call it when

39:59 when you fly a mission with jets, what is that called? Isn't that a sortie? Mission. Sortie or... Sortie yeah it could be a sortie No you're wrong And the ability to withstand the pounding they took from Qaddafi's forces in Misrata was a real turning point and we believe that with the increased military tempo that has been going on and United States still flies 25% of every day sorties It's a sorte It's a SORTEEE How many sorties did you fly today? It's a sortie. Oh really Lucifer is the sortie So of course with every interview But the question pops up the number one question because this is all these idiots can ask us About this picture the picture of you in the situation home, but the picture so she keeps changing her answer What have we heard so far about the picture? We've heard she had to cough and

40:57 We heard she had to sneeze. Uh, we heard she had to yawn... What else? W-we've heard every single variation from her! Well yawn was ours. Oh okay but cough and sneeze And the only consistent part of her answer is that it was 38 minutes. 38 minutes! It was the most intense 38 minutes Well, she has a new variation on the answer and by the way now she's hanging out in Paris I have my yellow outfit on About Oussama Bin Laden Can i show you this picture? You know it...it's in The Situation Room Yes, I remember I saw that pic I didn't know it was being taken at the time

41:37 I saw the picture and no it was taken at that time, the sorté. So you are holding your hand in front of your mouth? Yes! What did you think about that moment were you frightened what did you see? Were you frightened what did you see?! I don't know how to describe it other than it was a very intense period The operation went on for 38 minutes And we all, as you can look at the expressions on everyone's face had been working on this with a very small group of top officials for months. Months? Then it was out of our hands. The very well-trained special forces Navy SEALS were going to carry out the mission

42:27 And it was a breath-holding moment for all of us. She's holding her breath! This is a new one, John. For 38 minutes! She's holding her breath... she can do that by the way By the way You know there's something about the 38 minute meme that I'm not sure what it's about but its bullcrap because most people say well was a good half hour or over an half hour why would be so specific? Two reasons First of all if you add 3 plus 8 its 11 So it's a magic number Second of all I'm sure that somewhere in the timeline and we'll probably see this in the future There will be a reason because someone wasn't there or someone had to be somewhere Or there's someone who has to be placed at a certain time Somewhere, that's why the 30 it. This is what always happens in the novels So somewhere in the script this comes back this 38 minutes as you watch and put it in your book

CHAPTER 11 / 30 Discussion

Christine Lagarde and the IMF Leadership Race

Hillary Clinton signals unofficial support for Christine Lagarde to lead the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The hosts discuss the political maneuvering behind the IMF leadership following the departure of Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Lagarde's ties to a Chicago law firm.

christine lagarde· imf· hillary clinton· france· oecd

43:23 put it in the prediction book. Most definitely, I'm going to grab the red book of predictions yes meanwhile while you write that down let us just hear Madame Lucifer Cliton talking about how much she loves Paris and oh she has no time between France and America nothing's broken Oh you know you are our oldest... hold on a second that was the wrong one this is about this is good one too this is about Do we have a problem with the French because the French are all angry about Afghanistan? Now I'll remind you, when the French were like balking at Afghanistan what did we do in this country

44:03 We renamed French fries to freedom fries. Can y'all remember that? We don't like the French, do we John? Do we have some... Well traditionally politically I don't like the French. Oh are you nuts! That's not what Hilary Clinton says! You are our oldest ally. You were there for us back in the Revolutionary War and there's wonderful reports from the French court by Benjamin Franklin, and then our revolutions were within years of each other, our commitments to human rights and human freedom, our aspirations are so common

44:47 No two people agree on everything and certainly no two great nations can agree on everything, but the relationship between France and the United States is deep broad enduring one that I highly value. Yes, look! I did not even shave my armpits just because i love you so much France what a bunch of hooey That's not true... I'm surprised that the French somebody in the french side didn't call him on that freedom fries bullcrap Well it is obvious and she lets couple things slip up So Christine Lagarde My obvious choice as per the prediction book for head of the IMF

45:29 You mean that the one for there? What's your name again from Egypt is that what you're saying this prediction of yours I changed my prediction. I'm allowed to change my prediction. I did that last time I said please change the prediction You dropped Egypt but you did not mention Lagarde. What is this some kind of race? What are you talking about I said this two shows ago, I said I dropped Egypt and I said Lagarde in because she's running... She ran a law firm in Chicago! Don't recall that whole conversation?! I remember that but I don't remember it being an official prediction It's not in the book Okay well then whatever so uh but she's in here why So let's talk about a French woman yesterday, Christine Lagarde said she was candidate for the managing of the IMF. Do you know her and do you think she has necessary experience for that job? And she said... No this question is set up! Of course it's setup thats why shes in She would be good candidate because she is a woman what do you think? Yes because she is a woman This is sexist and this is pissing me off Well I actually know her, I admire her

46:28 I saw her last night at a dinner that I hosted for all of the ministers attending the OECD 50th anniversary. And I told her privately and I said publicly at a press conference earlier today that the United States has not taken an official position. Obviously, other candidates may come forth but speaking unofficially and personally, I am a strong supporter of qualified women which she is certainly one being given the opportunities to lead international organizations. So I wish her well last night and i will be watching closely as this unfolds. Right, so she's in! She's in... you're right total setup question she's in

CHAPTER 12 / 30 Discussion

Libya Military Operations and Boots on the Ground

Despite official denials of "boots on the ground" in Libya, reports emerge of foreign armed groups and the deployment of attack helicopters. The hosts contrast statements from the NATO Secretary General with Hillary Clinton's assertions regarding the extent of the military intervention.

libya· nato· qaddafi· attack helicopters· special forces

47:16 So now... Well, that's because they had a French person in before and they were promised so much time in that job. And they rousted him and they got to put another French person in it just happens be a woman so they get a little icing on the cake. Well notice The United States is not protesting at all because she is a shill for The United States She ran the Chicago law firm. Well apparently other guy was too everybody is but she's better shill maybe So now she contradicts the Secretary General of NATO. This is the one that I found very interesting about boots on the ground in Libya. Does it mean that we are now close to fighting on the ground? Will America commit any troops if France and Great Britain commit to ground fightings?

48:02 We will not commit any troops, but I don't believe that either France or Great Britain are committing troops by adding if they do these attack helicopters. Oh really? There's no... we're not doing any troops well here is what the Secretary General says NATO and partners have just decided to extend our mission for Libya for another 90 days This decision sends a clear message to the Qaddafi regime We are determined to continue our operation to protect the people of Libya. We will sustain our efforts to fulfil the United Nations mandate, we will keep up the pressure to see it through." Our decision also sends a clear message to the people of Libya NATO, our partners and the whole international community stand with you. We stand united to make sure that you can shape your own future

49:04 And that day is getting closer. So on the same day, the Secretary General says this these news reports come out help is on hand evidence for the first time of Allied boots on the ground here a group of armed foreigners possibly British seen liaising with the fighters it could be to facilitate forthcoming helicopter attacks The men left hurriedly when they spotted us Yeah so there's boots on the ground attack helicopters really you tell me you're telling me there's no boots on the ground but you've got helicopters flying around This is ridiculous. You can't, this makes no sense. Helicopters are meant to land you know that's the whole point is they can land in small confined reasonably confined areas of course this has boots on the ground they're dropping the boots in with the helicopters I think there have already been reports of that yeah but now... okay right so Clinton says one thing and these guys say another it's not supposed to be our operation anymore anyway Yeah well It Is

CHAPTER 13 / 30 Discussion

Dominique Strauss-Kahn Gold Conspiracy and Fort Knox Audits

The hosts explore theories surrounding the arrest of Dominique Strauss-Kahn, including a "crackpot" theory that he discovered the U.S. lacks the gold reserves it owes the IMF. They discuss the lack of recent audits at Fort Knox and the possibility of gold bars being faked with tungsten.

dominique strauss-kahn· imf· gold· fort knox· tungsten

50:10 You know Dominic Smith-Kahn, just to come back to him. There's two theories floating out there right now one is crackpot one is actually pretty damn good. Let's hear the crackpot one first okay The crackpot one is that I like this is that Dominics so the IMF deals in a lot of gold and they started a gold selling program in 2010. They were going to sell several tons of gold and they sold it all kinds of countries, and then they run a lot of their operation based on gold

50:48 And apparently, so this gold of course comes from countries who are members of the IMF. Apparently the United States had committed as per the Second Amendment of the Articles of Agreement of the IMF 191.3 tons of gold to be sold but they keep stalling delivery of the gold And so the crackpot theory is that Dominique Strauss-Kahn discovered through a couple of whistleblowers within the US government, that there is no gold. That they can't deliver the gold and he was on his way to get out of the country quickly... Did they run out of tungsten or what? Well yeah exactly we know that there's a lot of tungsten gold floating around

51:31 and that's why they nabbed him. And then, of course you probably heard about this Egyptian banker who the exact same thing happens to him he is in a hotel room in New York now he apparently was supposed go back to New York and retrieve the evidence or details whatever it is on this gold that can't be delivered because we no longer have gold in Fort Knox which by the way no one is allowed to see anymore You know, there's no audit of the gold at Fort Knox. And so this guy has exactly the same thing happen he has a... Thank you darling He has a chambermaid that he sexually assaults The only difference is This guy is 74 year old devout Muslim which is kind of little weird when you think about him doing the same as Dominique Strauss-Kahn So that's kinda the crackpot theory Here's the theory that I It was not much of a theory this guy was arrested

52:32 No, but the theory is that it's about the US not being able to deliver the gold and that this guy wanted to pop it on everybody and have the evidence let everybody know. That the U.S doesn't have the gold? Well you know... More interesting is an Abel and Cain story he has a brother Mark Oliver Strauss-Kahn who is a senior advisor to the Federal Reserve no actually A. He is THE senior advisor to the Federal Reserve. He works for The World Bank and the theory on this is, and there's a excellent story that The Slog wrote. And I'll put a link to his blog in the show notes at noagendashow.com His entire theory is that this is a move by his brother To get his older brother Dominic Strauss-Kahn out of the picture for him to take over and Abel and Cain. I think that is actually viable

53:30 I like the first theory better. The gold? It could be, you know we don't know there's this yeah it's certainly not a coincidence what happened here but those are the two theories and i'm following up on both of them the gold is little hard but you know there's been several calls for an audit at Fort Knox to go and see the gold when was the last time that happened like the 70s didn't they open it up and people were allowed to go down and look at the gold and they go oh that looks like gold to me Didn't that happen there in the 70s? Well, you know you could make a fake exhibition of the gold. I don't know why they don't do that if this theory is correct. Well because now everyone knows about tungsten and be like hey drill a hole in that let me just see what's inside it there. Let me let me uh...do a little sample That's not true

54:14 The number of people that know about the tungsten scam is very small. I think our listeners and a few other people, the general public going down to Fort Knox to look at the gold aren't gonna bring it up Yeah but it wouldn't just be general public It would be people who know what they're doing No its...its....it.....I'm not putting... Put a camera on it! I'm not putting beyond the... Take one brick of silk and drill a hole in it and have real gold in it Its not that hard to fake it Well then why don't they just do that? That's what I am asking you! Yeah well I dont'know I think we deserve to see our gold. I mean if they're gonna scam us out of the gold, which is what the theory has... how the theory has it you'd think at least they have a phony baloney show that could put on a dog and pony show yeah well maybe there's not enough for maybe they're just like no one don't even have enough to play it's like hello hello

55:13 Fort Knox now being used as an echo chamber. It's completely possible. Turn it into a disco! Hello everybody, welcome to the fort- hello everybody I'm Barack your DJ welcome to the Fort Knox Disco and now The Sugar Hill Gang. I can just see him doing that now. Barack's Fort Knox Disco 2008 Did you see what the president did on Memorial Day? I'll take that as a No

CHAPTER 14 / 30 Discussion

Barack Obama Memorial Day Golf Controversy

President Barack Obama faces criticism for playing golf at Fort Belvoir on Memorial Day after a wreath-laying ceremony at Arlington Cemetery. Adam Curry expresses frustration that the mainstream media ignored the event, viewing it as an insult to fallen soldiers.

barack obama· memorial day· arlington cemetery· golf· fort belvoir

55:48 No, this was not reported. So first for good reason yeah Yeah, so you know I take Memorial Day pretty seriously You know it's not to me like unlike most Americans unfortunately It's not a day to go get a good deal on a car Or oh or just get hammered at a barbecue But it's a day to remember is started initially with the Civil War you know to remember the fallen soldiers and The Memorial Day began with the World War I as Armistice Day and turned into Memorial Day, and actually the Civil War celebrations all morphed into Thanksgiving. It is seen more as Armistice Day but if you consult the Book of Knowledge Wikipedia on this you'll see that it actually started after the Civil War but let's say World War 1 that makes more sense

56:39 But you do, and thank you I can hear your consulting the book of knowledge. I am. Yeah but for obvious reason considering my family history and the service that my family has provided me I think about that now you know I don't mind having a barbecue in slapping back some brewskis But I think about the fallen men and women, and we've had several thousand in the past 10 years who have died protecting what they believe is our country. But of course it's really protecting the interests of the military industrial complex so i have extra thinking to do about how horrible that is So the president does his little wreath laying at the tomb of the unknown soldier there in Arlington Cemetery And then he goes off and plays golf When did he become such an avid golfer?

57:29 I mean, there's so many things he could have done. He could have spent the day with veterans. He could've mowed the lawn for somebody you know what Joe Biden suggested There is a million things that president could've done No! He like... Michelle! I gotta lay that reef and get in a quick nine Then it goes off and plays golf It just wrong And of course no one reported on this You did Well, that's what people tune into the show for. Somebody must have reported on it or you wouldn't have found out about it! Yeah well I have my sources we have knowagenthenewsnetwork.com He went to Fort Belvoir Golf Course. He's in the neighborhood

58:15 Yeah, but it's Memorial Day. There's so much... I know he shouldn't be playing golf as the president on Memorial Day! It's an insult! Not a day to go to Coney Island! Yay! Get on the rollercoaster! No, it's an insult. The guy goes off and there are so many things that he should have done, I feel, As our Commander-in-Chief who puts him... He commands people And puts them in harm's way Let me go play some golf I can tell this irked you. Yeah, throw a shoe at him! That did irk me are you kidding? It's very irksome and i think uh... i hope mainstream media will make some news on it. There have been some interesting studies done recently in the mainstream media is just very democrat they don't want to criticize the president and they don't want any republicans to get any ink and they slant the news that i think has been well documented and so this kind of thing doesn't show up anymore

CHAPTER 15 / 30 Discussion

Sunday Power Outages and Solar Flare Activity

Widespread power outages on Sunday are officially attributed to squirrels biting through lines, but the hosts suspect solar flares or other atmospheric events. They discuss a mobile app that tracks Class C solar flares and a dinner conversation regarding a potential EMP strike.

power outage· solar flares· nasa· squirrels· emp

59:11 Yeah, it's a travesty. Pure travesty So after the show on Sunday Was it Sunday? Yeah the last show Indeed Literally as I was rolling out Mr Oil Show The power went out And it went out countrywide No, it didn't. Hold on! Spotted but countrywide It was out in Austin, it was out in Detroit, it was out in multiple places in Los Angeles, it was out in Canada Toronto, Quebec Multiple power facilities went down all on Sunday But the crazy thing is this happened around... I don't know

1:00:00 That wasn't Mr. Oil Show, it happened around 3 30 but at 2 o'clock I got that crazy app on my android which measures solar flares Keep seeing class C solar flares, which aren't all that big a deal You know like a one or two or three or whatever but I at 3 o'clock. I got the work to 45 I got this 8 point 7 Class C solar flare and then 45 minutes later you get this crazy wind and it's like really weird storm and then You know the power goes out for 2 hours And of course The only place they can go is stupid Twitter Which is pathetic You know, it's Memorial Day weekend. I'm trying to figure out what's going on not a single news organization local to Los Angeles is even reporting on it because they're all drinking beer and playing golf with the president Well, I just want to get some news on this you call the LADWP They're like, you know give us our your can number whatever the hell that is Customer access Nunchuk number which I don't yeah, I just want to know what's going on? Well, they answered me do you know what happened? This is the most insulting thing

1:01:06 Turns out squirrels were biting through the aluminium near the Burbank power station and that's why the power went out. Oh really? Squirrels! Where is your sound effect?! It's gone... For some reason my squirrel sound effect is gone, but how lame is that!? They're gonna tell me- But it does happen a lot. Oh please, squirrels Yeah, no. Squirrels are a big plague! In fact I was talking to a guy... power guy It's more of a problem less with the power guys than it is with the telecom guys because typically a squirrel gets a little nip or something and he just electrocuted but with the guys at the phone system the squirrels eat through the wires and they just keep eating

1:01:54 In fact, I was told the story, the fascinating story personal anecdote here about the fact that in California they Pacific Bell when running it. They've been trying to do something about squirrels eating through their phone lines for years and so they decided to put... To develop a plastic laced with capsicum. Capsicum? Capsicum is the vital ingredient in hot chili pepper Okay, and so they made this extremely hot chili flavored Plastic and it turned out that the squirrels got a taste for it. Oh no They love it, but so they started eating even more because they you using at a spice for the nuts I guess I have no idea So but it's as if it is a problem squirrels are a problem now whether they would cause in

1:02:45 A power outage all over the country seems highly unlikely. This is my point, like that's the only thing you can come up with? Is squirrels I mean solar flares could be a real problem can't they John i mean that that's just that's a real issue yeah but i'm trying to get the time because i think when a solar flare Now, does this app of yours tell you when the flare occurs or when it starts or when the effect begins? Because there's a distance between Earth and Sun that is long enough that I don't think is a 45 minute travel time. Is it longer or shorter? I think its longer. It basically alerts from some government organization

1:03:28 Isn't it NASA or NOAA or some? I don't know. I've never seen it Yeah, and I don't know anyone would have it on their phone by the way So someone someone suggested one of our producers suggested that I have it on my phone for this very reason He said we're gonna get a lot of solar flares a lot of weird stuff is gonna happen NASA has been warning about Communications going out because of solar flares them and that's official We talked about it on the show Yeah, well that's been going on forever. Right and it does happen I don't think this is as bad as it used to be because most of these you know satellites and everything have been hardened against such events And they also turn the satellite around I mean I think there's so much time that you know for example The satellite folks if a solar flare happens in its starting head toward Earth They can actually take the satellite and they repositioned it they turn it

1:04:19 So it doesn't so the vital parts of it don't get wiped out by the flare because these things are expensive And and so there's enough time to do that. You know not everybody can do that Not everyone since I mean, there's a lot of junk up there Yeah, but I'm talking about the expense of you know communication stuff that we need to bomb people and The important things you're the bomb oriented here's the crazy thing So that night, so of course you know we had to do our hair without hairdryers and stuff. Oh no! Real emergency We had dinner with our power lesbian friends power lesbian couple friends Well did they provide power for the lights? Yes by rubbing sticks together But yeah they're high-powered members of society

1:05:07 So we're having dinner, and I'm like yeah this solar flare stuff And one of them turns to me and says are you sure it wasn't an EMP strike? Are you kidding me so We're propagating the formula and doing well EMP I couldn't believe she said that really is Yeah, so my squirrel jingle is gone. Oh What do you mean it's gone? It's gone! You know, here I am ready to talk about squirrels and then all of a sudden it is gone. Really?! Yeah. Huh... Well you can always reclip it, its right in there-I have that movie on DVD, I can clip for ya if you need. Oh I know that but it's kind of irritating. Thank you very much Gitmo Slave Somebody just sent it to you? Of course Are you kidding me? These are our people man! Squirrel!! There we go. Perfect got it back

CHAPTER 16 / 30 Discussion

Hacker Meme and the Budapest Convention

The hosts argue that the media is aggressively propagating a "hacker meme" to justify increased internet regulation and the Budapest Convention. They cite the hacking of PBS and Anthony Weiner's claims as examples used to make the public fearful of online security threats.

hacker· pbs· budapest convention· cybersecurity· internet license

1:06:01 So I found two memes floating around one of them was pointed out by a listener, okay? And I didn't even think about it as a meme We've talked about it and talked about it and talked about it. But we never declared it to be a meme we We just declared it was part of a scheme to regulate the internet, which seems to be going full steam ahead. Remember podcastlicense.com If anybody hasn't noticed we should also have an internet license while were at it. Get somebody get Internet Licence.com Yeah that's a good one Cause that way everybody could buy that instead of the 10 podcasters that were gonna end up selling these things too as a joke It's not... Hey! Its'a real license okay?

1:06:45 We are, we are qualified to have... It's as real as the knighthoods. Exactly! Why not? Yeah nothing wrong with that Think anyone can do these things internet license calm. I'm sure that's available all right, maybe So we also call it an eye license somebody at eyelight No because Apple will come and sue us no Before they have a naked week is they own the letter? I dude forget about it And I go with it died there's plenty of up yeah anyway so the meme is just the meme itself its hacker oh Oh really? And we've seen it with Anthony Weiner and the hacker, hacker, hacker. He's got this long definition he talks about with a clip that you didn't play and it was a hacker, hacker, hacker thing so I have like a definitive classic version of this hacker meme floating around from CNN with Kandi Crowley. And visitors to the PBS website saw her shocking story claiming that the late rapper Tupac Shakur dead almost 15 years is

1:07:46 He's alive and living in New Zealand. The fake article was the work of hackers who also posted sensitive PBS information, they say they were motivated by a recent Frontline episode about Bradley Manning U.S soldiers suspected of leaking government secrets. Andy? The hacking thing is out of control. It's pretty scary when you think that people's personal information also was posted online as well, it wasn't just getting into it. They say nothing really essential was gotten by the hackers but the day has come and we know. Very good John so let's connect the dots for a second Let's say Anthony Weiner

1:08:31 connected to Lucifer Clinton State Department with techno experts who desperately want a harmonization of the Budapest Convention which essentially, no literally states you can't disparage anyone online. They desperately want to propagate the hacker meme so that we have a reason to go arrest people because you're a hacker and Which that name by the way is changed just the way gay change hacker used to be someone who just hacked around in code and wasn't really a struck didn't take a structured approach to programming computer programming so what if this meme needed to be propagated because What's not working as people are not afraid? People are not afraid of hackers taking their personal data people. Just aren't afraid, so maybe

1:09:24 Anthony Weiner was either set up or complicit in the setup to really propagate the whole idea of hacking. He certainly used it a lot, didn't he? Yeah used the word constantly and I don't believe is complicit because unless this is a prank on him... Unless he's doing the pranking and it went out of control and he lost control of it And I don't believe that's true because he just not reacting properly So I think he just happens to be part of the system that is trying to promote this hacking meme. That has become like, we hacker hacker hacker bad bad bad! We have to do something government has to step in and you're right about the Budapest thing

1:10:06 hackers because they're so dangerous and you're right that fact is the hacker term which was originally the guys that used to be worried about were called crackers. Crackers, that's right! And they became generically called... in fact Stephen Levy a writer who was all over the place he writes a lot of pro Apple books pretty much is bread and butter. And he wrote a book called Hackers, I think it was Hackers or Cray, it was Hackers and he bitches about because apparently people were true hackers the guys who like to fool around with the machine by playing with it doing your right non-standard things too with the computer to see how they work you know just their hobby

1:10:50 have been called, are now considered evil and that started almost 20 years ago or more. And now it's become, now it's showing up too much and one of our listeners has sent to me saying look you've been talking about this but you don't realize there is a meme that is rampant and when this Candy Crowley thing came out after the wiener thing I said this is just unbelievably ridiculous so people out there want to bring these up so they can keep an eye out Yeah, no I think it's good that our producer brought that up and this is internetlicense.com you're so right we got to get on this we gotta start licensing people we gotta you know license them up We can be a will be the clearinghouse The agency of record The agency of record and would be an NGO

1:11:42 A 50313C, whatever. It would be an NGO licensing self-flight. This is what free enterprise is all about! And by the way it's the way the internet supposed to work where we're self organizing industry is regulating itself And so you can be assured, when you get the license and you'll get a bug. A little logo that you can put on your website so people can now trust you and in fact we have a line of code goes into every website and the line of code has the licensed number and so when the search engine goes through it sees the licensed license number checks it against the database and then you know you're assured you're not on some sort of evil site

1:12:25 And of course when you click on that logo it'll take you right back to internetlicense.com Right, by license It goes viral and by the way there's a lot going on with this cyber security bill Of which parts have been released There is no real definitive bill that has actually been introduced as such But I... You were the first one to say is I feel these The walls closing in very very rapidly It's uh... it's well we'll be in easy street because will be having to be the license agency so will always have been able to get out you know and it would be great till they shut us down. This is good but I guess internetlicense.com has taken

CHAPTER 17 / 30 Discussion

Anti-College Education Meme and Peter Thiel

A new cultural meme discourages higher education, highlighted by Peter Thiel's program paying students to drop out of college. The hosts discuss the rising cost of tuition, the burden of student loans, and the potential "dumbing down" of the American workforce.

peter thiel· college debt· student loans· uc berkeley· education

1:13:11 Of course. Yeah, yeah and so maybe we have to it's too bad maybe I license that. We'll come up with something similar look the chat room has got enough brain power they're working on it. They're working on it. Boy vey! So anyway so that's a meme now this week again I think memes are important to follow I caught another one which I've been thinking about for awhile but I just didn't put it together until I got this clip And this clip is, uh... and it was- actually it was this clip that made me realize that there's a meme in play that we've only kind of touched on but we haven't really played up. It's the anti college education meme. Oh so its Peter Thiel? No! This is a clip from a soap opera. Look I'm about to graduate. I have to finish school because of the whole parole thing but after that I am completely free

1:14:05 Didn't apply to any colleges. I'm not really interested in higher education Can imagine that's gonna go over 12 with your family although have to live with that? I know where it belong and the business learning my way up, but can already have a grasp of all the basics You know I just need more hands-on experience Look Johnny you won't be sorry you hired me. I'll help you Dedicated and loyal look Michael There's gonna be a day that comes when you look back on this choice and realize that this is Day changed your life forever, so I just want you to be sure and clear what you're signing up for So, where was this from by the way? I think it was either General Hospital or one of the other ones. The Young and the Restless, but not sure. They're trying to desperately stay on the air by propagating any meme that's thrown in front... Well this meme, I don't know they even know that they're propagating it but I just realized what a meme it was because we've been getting nothing- We've been inundated with stories about oh you know student loans if you go to college you come out you're broke! And they have the- And in debt

1:15:07 Yeah, and in debt. And they have women... I've saw it just before i got this meme I remember seeing on one of these news talk shows some woman being interviewed on the street oh I just graduated and now I owe $300,000 dollars! I'm never gonna pay it off! I only took out a ten thousand dollar loan but now I owe half a million dollars and I don't know how i'm gonna pay it off so there's all these stories you know Peter Thiel, Peter Thiel literally came out and he says he's paying college students to drop out of school and go work at his companies in other forms but not to complete college. And Peter Thiel is a well-known Silicon Valley guy Facebook all the CIA companies PayPal eBay Facebook

1:15:54 Now this all harkens back, and by the way Peter Thiel should be ashamed of himself. But this all harkens back to probably about two or three years ago when I read that quote from the guy who had worked up in Cheyenne Mountain or one of those things out near Colorado. Iron Mountain? Iron Mountain and he was talking to some general saying you know these This was in the 60s or 70s. These kids are protesting too much, they know too much we need to dumb down the American public We gotta do something about it because you know the educated public is a problem and then now that were... Yeah it's a real problem It's a real problem and now that we're going into a second double dip depression

1:16:35 we don't need a bunch of smarty pants that you know have their education. We need workers, we need the... You know want people that can think for themselves so let's take and do a couple of things one let's do this college loan scam and ruin everybody's life then show them it as a terrible threat and then if they and unless jack up the prices i mean it used to be when i was a kid you could go to college for nothing and now it's like you know what did so hundred thousand dollars in the whole just to get into you know do do the four years that they have it uh... documented on dubin on our website i was talking to her with about this on the d h unplug show he's got a list of cost a hundred thousand dollars for four-year education at cal berkeley ameen which is uh...

1:17:19 And that's low for most of these schools. So they're trying and there also, there is another meme you'll be hearing a lot of and I've heard it last night which is that well you know there's all these countries and they're all in disarray and there's Asia, and there's cropping up. And the one thing they all agree on it's best to get their education in the United States at one of our universities yeah so now there was everybody wants to come here and so they're catering to foreign students in fact University California here in Cal Berkeley I believe is almost half out-of-state and foreign students as opposed you know training and educating the Californians who set up this institution. So you bring all these foreigners in and educate them, let dumb down the American public screw them with these college loans and have this never-ending meme that you don't need to go to college your better off getting right into work while we go back to the days when it was you know you graduated from the eighth grade and you can start working! This is

1:18:17 terrible situation that nobody's addressing and the fact that it is being promoted and people like Peter Thiel is part of the problem. So let's look at the facts here, you went to college? I did! Which institution did you attend? I went to this University over here University California Berkeley okay you you went to Berkeley which of course is where all the spooks are Yeah. You went to Berkeley... Only recently, by the way I don't believe it was the case when I was there. Spook spook spook. You went to Berkeley and you completed-you graduated do have a degree? Yeah of course i have a degree What's your degree? It's a degree in history History okay Do you go on to do a master or any other type of No I did some little post grad work but never get a-I was always promising to get a PhD but just never followed up

1:19:08 So we're established you have graduated from UC Berkeley a fine spook institution You have the degree in history. I dropped out of college after three months And here we are together same show same gig Yeah, so what does that tell me about the value of your piece of paper? Well, this is your part of the problem. Yeah, I could there's a sociological difference between the two of us and it has only been equalized by the fact that i have a college education. And you've decided to dumb yourself down so that is another issue Daniel Collins, Grosse Pointe Michigan we have actually three

CHAPTER 18 / 30 Discussion

Global Donations and Japanese Earthquake Relief

The show processes donations from around the world, including a $100 contribution from South Australia. The hosts discuss the ongoing recovery efforts in Japan three months after the earthquake and provide links to non-profit organizations providing direct aid to affected communities.

japan· red cross· donations· 111.11· karma

1:20:07 111.11 donors and people have to realize we've got 11-11-11 coming up now there's a couple of eleven elevens that take place, we also have five Saturdays five Sundays in this year this is a very special years very magical very powerful So we have three donors at the 111.11 level, Daniel Collins a new donor Grosse Pointe Michigan is one to thank you so much by donating I just recently started listening so i don't know if I need to deduce she actually doesn't anyway thanks again keep up the great work and try to keep on donating Keith Edwards of Gilbert Arizona and Sir

1:20:47 Schnee snakes haters snakes haters snakes it's also in on that one one one one one Lena no boo hara in Tusmore South Australia $100 which she wants to thank us for many hours of hard work keep us all informed in the morning It's almost been three months since the Japan earthquake and tsunami. Even though Red Cross has started distributing the donated funds, it will take a while to reach the most affected people and besides there is not cash they want...they want blankets hot showers bath linen. Wait a minute let us just play that for a second We just need cash I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water Just send your cash

1:21:28 She also gave us the list of a couple of non-profit organizations at Civic Force, which we'll have links in the show notes on. A lot more information on the Japanese page and some clips you'd like to look at and they work with the community to see who they need most and this is apparently not a scam like these other operations. So I'll put those into the show notes at 309er.nashownotes.com. 309ershownotes.nashownotes.com Mind Over Media John and Adam here, this is another $100 to support No Agenda in the celebration of my wife's birthday. We got her listed. Send some karma to wish Belisa... Melissa? You thought! Karma. Ladies and gentlemen that's your Berkeley education right there. Melissa very good very good UC Berkeley everybody. Belisa so you're just so you're basically on board with Peter Tile

1:22:23 His name is Teal. There's your Berkeley education everybody! Okay... Hey, well you slammed me bro. Brah no no you slammed me You started it I just know I asked a question I did was have here We are both winding up in the same gig begging for money to support a show because we have nothing else we can do right and if it wasn't for my education I would probably be driving a truck and I wouldn't even know who you were That's not the way to look at it That's the way I see it. If i had an education, I'd be driving this truck. You have to demean me for actually making the effort to get a degree because you didn't have to cause you were born with a silver spoon! Oh wow! Excuse me let me just pull the silver spoon out of my butt yeah so that's not your problem is that you swallowed it. Silver spoon really? Oh that's rich

1:23:22 That's really nice. I had to go to West Virginia, my parents couldn't afford UC Berkeley. Douche! So you're calling West Virginia a second-rate school? Salem, West Virginia not WVU. Oh... Yes. Give a shout out to Lawrence Dring APO is in the military give a shout out to Haley and Loopy in Sagamihara, Japan. Hey John we want more sumo updates at this point! Yes I've been missing those Keep the good workies from the land of the rising Geiger counter Michael Miller Sir Michael Miller it is Tiburon 55 double nickels on a dime Misty Tallman Colorado Springs double nickels on the dime Vincent Farrell

1:24:08 San Jose John Adam love the show gets me through the gym and my commute sometimes I really listen to the show so i can make sure you get all the talking points when definitely getting a full value can I get a de-douching and a karma shot together no double shots you've been D do shot karma that tightness of those two jingles is the work of an uneducated person Interested but born with a silver spoon that he swallowed and he admitted it, it came out his ass. No. Interstate meals at Ventura Florida can you please de-douche me? You've been de-douched. He needs some karma. Could you please... hey Berkeley boy could you please like read ahead so that we can get them both at the same time I know its hard y'know

1:25:02 karma. You know that advanced reading class at Berkeley? iPhone4parts.com is his website, we sell iPhone parts worldwide and listen to no agenda in the office while packing orders! Yeah of course get back to work you people yeah hi John and Adam I was sad to hear donations are down but even though even thought how can i be sad if i'm part of the problem can you please er we just deduced him We always sell iPhone, blah blah. This is like he's repeated himself okay? Now this name... Is this person named Lone really? Oh Mickey is worried that we're fighting Goodbye honey Stop it! It's his fault He's a douchebag Lone Emmerich No It has to be Joan right? Nope Lone I don't know I didn't go to Berkeley I can't Broke Park Ohio you can drop it

1:26:05 PropagateTheFormula.com is now redirecting to NoAgendaShow.com and guys please send me some karma with a C, he's got it, it's different. Oh okay... You've got karma I didn't have that one, I'll put that one in here. PropagateTheFormula.com Christopher Gray, Palm Bay Florida. I'm a five buck a month subscriber wanted to give $50 is my 40th birthday on June 2nd Please give me a birthday shout out recently got my liberal actor brother into the show as well that's interesting yeah That's good Yeah we got him on the list Christopher Lawton Greg Brunsell Christopher Lawrence in Dartmouth Massachusetts and Greg brunsells in Kenosha Wisconsin 50 bucks each and Then we have an anonymous donor

1:26:51 $50? Uh, well please just call me Officer Friendly from Cage Match and a de-douching karma for his wife combination would be appreciated. You've been de-douched! You've got karma Just had to donate after the package we made about Biden's speech because it was so damn good. Thanks for everything and my wife needs to karma for some morons killed the garden she worked hard on in the past week and hopefully, huh... funds will pick up and whatever. The garden will grow better and Jonas Ensby in Oslo. Greetings from Gitmo Nation, Brown Cheese love the show because contributed being a boner although now he's a donor and although my credit card bank account is in the negative I had to take advantage of the terrible US dollar also like they hear both you pronounce my name I got Jonas Ensby what do you have? I got Jonas Ensby or Jonas Ansby

1:27:48 It's probably Jonas Onsby or something like that. Jonas, Jonas! He is a new donor and also the last new donor for the day is... I'm sorry there are two more but one is as new Robert Vitale in Staten Island he says we're a riot thinks were funny and Robert Durden brother of Tyler Hoboken New Jersey And that's our group of fine investors and producers and helpers contributors to today's show. Thank you very much everybody. Emanuel Lozier, so these are all people who are new to the show. This warms my heart and we have non-boners but new donors Daniel Collins, Lawrence Dring, Misty Tallman Vincent Farrell, Interstate Deals Jonas Ensby as we just had there Robert Vitale and Kevin Payne all new donors over $10 and we highly appreciate that

CHAPTER 19 / 30 Discussion

PBS Commercialization and Value for Value Model

PBS announces it will begin breaking for corporate sponsor spots every 15 minutes, effectively becoming a commercial network. The hosts contrast this with their "value for value" model, arguing that corporate sponsorship inevitably leads to editorial corruption.

pbs· npr· commercial interruption· underwriting· value for value

1:28:53 I did want to mention one thing about the reason why we run the show this way, as became extremely apparent with an announcement from PBS earlier this week. Of course covered up by the news media who were too obsessed with looking at a penis. at their annual meeting in Orlando said that starting this fall they are going to break every 15 minutes for corporate and foundation sponsor spots promotional messages and branding. Yeah I saw this article, it's not as though it's something we didn't see coming

1:29:32 Right, but our national treasure NPR has been doing this for well certainly the last year that I've been listening regularly. They interrupt the programming for a commercial message A commercial? It's just a commercial Why are people giving them money? I hear the Car Talk guys and it's like car talk is proudly underwritten by Valvoline Well hello! I mean Valvoline makes sense it's an oil product for your car its targeted towards car talk Its commercial It's completely commercial and now PBS is going to break. So that's only five minutes longer than then, and by the way they don't mention how long the pods will be it will be one spot two spots five spots

1:30:14 I saw one break recently where they had 10 spots. It was after the news hour, one of these shows and we just went on and on and these are long spots where that people go on and on about their product. I mean does Chevron commercial that they run is the same when they run a network TV? Exactly! Of course it is So PBS is now basically a commercial station. What kind of taxes do they pay? Because I guess they're non-profit, if i were running a real network I'd be angry! These guys have coverage everywhere that probably don't have to pay for cable space the way a commercial network has to. That's a good question... Do they pay for carriage?

1:30:57 I probably don't. It's...I don't know the rules but it may even be that cable companies are forced to carry it like they're forced to carry C-SPAN We need to talk to a cable guy. I'm sure some cable guy out there in the audience can help us with this So it's now a commercial entity. They have an unfair advantage and then they're begging for money, give me a break! They are corrupted or at least at the very best corruptible because you cannot bite the hand that feeds you so if General Electric puts on a couple million dollars in ad buy your not going to do a negative story

1:31:33 You're just not going to do it. It will be circumvented through management one way or the other, John and I both have worked at media companies long enough, I certainly have worked in media companies most of my adult life that it's just how it works so you can't trust it anymore! You can't now we of course don't have a staff other than the most important staff we can get our producers who we call our listeners and you know that when you're getting something for free you are the product Now you are getting this program for free, but you are supporting it. You're sponsoring and supporting the show so you know there's a value for value in there and you know that there is no one going to come knocking on our door that is going to have tell us what we have to say about a certain topic

1:32:18 right right absolutely right right so where's the reporting on this pbf story i tell you simply for a dot org slash also and also go to know agenda nation dot com and uh... you can click on a big donation but no one else in those in the show dot com has a donation now button you can click which is taking it to work that works last n any and there will be adding some new stuff this week uh... specifically to help the adam and his uh... national national tour get my name is not pockets two thousand eight or that you doesn't have to work with them and we do believe they'll probably know what he would it would be probably good in area can organize this uh... in between feedings in between breastfeeding yeah i think what's going to some of that too

1:33:09 I think if you're gonna be on the road and this is a...I don't think we, you know, when taking donations as usual and some of it obviously has to go to gas money but i think that with a big box of t-shirts that say no agenda hot pockets tour 2008 with the cities listed you could be selling them out of the back at the van for 20 bucks a pop. Yeah, bag to the van, 20 bucks... You open the trunk and you got him in there and they're twenty bucks a pop and it pays for gas! You could go as long as you want

1:33:46 What a great idea, John. It sounds fantastic! Albums! Albums is another thing you can sell. Yeah we could sell albums, stickers, trinkets... Get some CDs made of you and Mickey singing. And uh... Trinkets? Sell them out the back of the truck. The van. Just go as long as you can. I mean stay on the road don't come back just stay out there Don't come back once we need a name for said van She has to have a name because we get so it's the gitmo nation hot pockets tour 2008 tour We've got that can just imagine what we're rolling up with this big sticker on the side It says Gitmo Nation Hot Pockets 2008 and these guys be hey man, you been on the road a long time haven't ya?

CHAPTER 20 / 30 Discussion

Baroness Maggie Vincent and Subscription Stories

Maggie Vincent is officially knighted as a Baroness and Ruler of Virginia for her RV donation. The hosts also read an email from a listener explaining why she chose to subscribe to the show instead of buying magazines, while noting ongoing technical issues with PayPal subscriptions.

maggie vincent· virginia· knighting· katarina hog· paypal

1:34:31 Hey, hey! Wanna buy a t-shirt? Alright happy birthday to the following people who are on our list here. Jordi Ramirez turns 75 today I guess Mind Over Media says happy birthday to Bay Alisa and Christopher Gray turns 40 on today June 2nd 2011 Happy Birthday from all of you buddies here at The No Agenda Show And here it comes John very a very special moment right now is we're gonna give her the state of Virginia So you need the big good the big blade. Ooh, you got it Maggie Vincent, please step forward Maggie you have completely given us some value for value here which goes above and beyond the call of duty as you have gracefully allowed us to borrow your van

1:35:25 for the No Agenda Hot Pockets 2008 Tour. And we're gonna give you the state of Virginia, Maggie Vincent! We hereby pronounce thee Baroness Maggie Vincent! Dane and Baroness of The No Agenda Roundtable AND Ruler Of Virginia So she's got Virginia covered which is good. Yeah, I was thinking that you might want to look at that. That's it from Catherine hug It's one it's a story that I think is worth relating yeah So and when you send me stuff You know I actually open your email read it And you know there's one time ever that I didn't open your email Please this happens all the time one time oh

1:36:21 Okay, one time from Katharina hog hello John. I just wanted to pop an email to let you know I signed up for the 1111 dollar month subscription I was at the airport today after having downloaded a couple of shows on my iPod listen to them on the plane I then wandered into the airport bookstore trying to decide what magazines I should buy to alternate my methods of entertainment You could always self radicalize. I said to myself Self why buy two or three magazines at four dollars and ninety nine each when I have this great podcast to listen to instead? I realized then if I was ready to spend fifteen dollars for crappy magazines Three-quarters of which are just ads to lure me into buying something. I really don't need Then I should really be able to pay a nominal monthly fee to help support my favorite show the show I spend more time listening To than I do talking to my boyfriend oops

1:37:09 I honestly don't know what I would listen to cooking biking working out and Just all-around living if you guys stop doing the show So please take my donation buy yourself some food and batteries for the potential future and keep hitting friends in the mouth It's a beautiful email and we appreciate not just Katarina who signed up for the $11.11 a month plan, but everybody else people also on the five dollar a month plan That's really long-term the stuff that should sustain us were it not that PayPal keeps deleting people subscriptions It's just really messed up. Gotcha! It's messed up, I mean it really is. What bugs me about that is like real mean spirited emails a guy says I supported you guys and then you dropped me Yeah we get blamed for it yeah and I said I didn't drop any... We don't drop anybody

1:38:03 So, anyway. People should check on that but the 11-11 thing is I think well worth it It's a good number and i think she's right and I like that pitch You were spending money on all kinds of things We're here doing this thing in a new model which is that you have to... It's like buying a magazine or newspaper Or going to a lousy movie A lousy movie is a lot more than 15 bucks That's just the ticket Yeah yeah I know go broke one of those things But anyway, so I want to thank everybody who comes up with... we need more of these stories. Yeah we do! Let me just implant the jingle in your mind one more time. Can you just go back to a story from a couple weeks ago that's been bothering me and finally I kind of discovered what was bothering me about it?

CHAPTER 21 / 30 Discussion

Air France Flight 447 Investigation Discrepancies

Adam Curry analyzes the official report on Air France Flight 447, questioning why the co-pilot pulled back on the stick during a stall, which contradicts standard pilot training. The discussion touches on potential software flaws in Airbus aircraft and the "fly-by-wire" systems.

air france 447· pitot tubes· stall· airbus· flight data recorder

1:38:50 This Air France flight 447? I'm surprised you haven't... yeah. Well, there's very- I was actually gonna ask you about that. I was going to do an Ask Adam about this because this is getting pretty weird. Well in case you didn't... In case you might have slipped your mind and asked me about it on Sunday. I don't remember if one minute to the next. No, no that's okay so here's the official of course the reason why it's a problem is because there's there's no data known I mean with air incidents there's data known about the location we really don't know much about it cuz not like there's not a lot of weather sensors in the middle of the Atlantic you know when either was some turbulence coming up but heres as I'm reading through something was bugging me about this uh...so what they're saying is

1:39:37 that according to the flight data recorder, the aircraft sensors these known as the pitot tubes which measures airspeed which are heated continuously in flight to make sure no ice accumulates on them malfunctioned. So they didn't know What their airspeed was and if you really look at the pure facts of the matter this aircraft Stalled and it's not a doesn't mean the engine stalled, but if you don't have enough forward airspeed Then there's not enough airflow under the wings And then it's called a wing stall and you fall down to the ground so the thing that bothers me is that they the sensors are

1:40:21 They only said that the sensors for airspeed malfunction. And they actually, in the report it says that all other systems were functioning properly Now there's when you're training to fly an aircraft Attitude of your aircraft is you have speed and attitude are the most important things without speed You know, you got a problem but attitude is right up there on the list And the attitude is is the pitch of the airplane So what they're saying in the report? Is that the co-pilot apparently was flying at the time notice something was wrong and started pulling back on the stick In other words setting the airplane into a nose-up attitude. This is contrary to every piece of training you receive

1:41:03 particularly if there's an airspeed issue. You will always, you're trained to do this it's like when you take the test, this is what the... you go through a stalled test and it's the simplest thing in the world The airplane starts to buffet first thing you immediately push the nose forward push the nose forward It's a part of the test This co-pilot apparently pulled back It makes no sense, particularly if his attitude indicator is artificial horizon was functioning which according to the report the official report says it was functioning that he made this move. So something happened that is either not being reported

1:41:49 But what is being reported is contrary to every single thing an airman would actually know about what happens in any type of situation where you cannot either measure your air speed or, you know there's a degradation of airspeed. So I don't have more than that other than... Yeah it's so obvious to anyone who has followed these Airbuses That they suck! software issue. Yeah he probably pulled back, pushed forward and it might have reversed or pulled up or whatever it is but... He may have done a bunch of things and said no I know what I'm doing in the computer took over and lifted the plane and dropped into the ground. This is what happened at the air show which the poor pilot was blamed for we remember this one early air buses that were showing off at the Paris Air Show and they guy came in to do some low flying you know

1:42:36 not a touchdown but apparently just do kind of a mock landing, you know the story I'm talking about. He came down but not to land and then he tried to pull back up in the plane said wait a minute your supposed to be landing and it drove him right into a bunch of trees! As he drove me no less... And then they blamed the guy. He was driving! I'm driving around here my plane So, uh and you know now we've got the 380 which is a monster I would love to take a ride in it. They're gonna be bringing them into SFO And apparently Dubai just bought 90 of these things They didn't buy one or two Yeah and notice they didn't buy Airbus because they crashed! No this is the Airbus What?! That they bought I thought they bought the... 9380's The big giant They bought the Airbus? What idiots!

1:43:30 Well, they got 90 of them. I mean, I'm a double decker you know yeah right that one Yeah right? It's a huge double-decker and of course like all the new when they bring out a plane this big, you know they put up disco and bowling alley in it. And bunch of things that are kind of cool. Stripper pole. Stripper pole and nightclub and they have like soda fountain hamburger places all in there. Drive through. And they leave it like that for a while and then next thing you know, it's 900 people instead all crammed. Yeah But uh... They make it kind of attractive at first but the-the but yeah no Emirates? Emirates

1:44:12 I believe, bought 90 of these suckers. So they're trying to fly everybody into the Middle East you know into Dubai for shopping and uh...I think it's just.. I don't know One of these things crashes there is a lot people that are gonna It's going to be a mess You know I've flown a French aircraft but a helicopter which has very-you know its french Its the Eurocopter And the Airbus is arguably French I But you had to wait. When you started up, you have to wait because it has a management system and I always bothered me to sit on the ground with the engine running waiting for the system to boot-up and see that Microsoft NT startup screen It's always really bothered me! I never really liked the Eurocopter for that only reason You know like this thing is managing my engine? Really? Microsoft NT? No...I'm not feeling too good

CHAPTER 22 / 30 Discussion

Ford Smart Cars and Progressive Snapshot Surveillance

The automotive industry moves toward "talking cars" and usage-based insurance programs like Progressive's Snapshot. The hosts warn that these "black box" devices will eventually be used by police to issue retroactive speeding tickets and monitor driver locations.

ford· progressive· snapshot· black box· traffic tickets

1:45:21 Yeah, I would be concerned. So that's where we're going to end up with cars eventually and we haven't gotten there yet but they have some fly-by-wire stuff in a car but eventually... Oh yeah just you're too stupid just shut up and we'll drive for ya. There was just an event yesterday as a matter of fact that Ford put on I went to part of it. They invited you back? Yeah unbelievable amazing So I went to and it's for, you know my wife asked me what it was about. It is a talking car but its not a car that talks to you Its a car that talks to other cars, the road, it talks to police

1:46:00 and it talks to all these things, and we're seeing these cars. This is like the smart car, and we're starting to see there's a big bunch of good panelists talking about the new cars you know you're not gonna they Ford doesn't believe that Google's approach which is to have a car that drives itself and you just sit there and enjoy the view They think it's going to be just a enhanced car that doesn't drive itself. You still get the fantastic experience of driving, but if you're gonna ram into somebody it'll stop and stay whether you want or not and let you know there is a cop on board. Would you like to ram into car? Press OK, Cancel or Retry

1:46:38 We'll get one of those dialogues. Exactly, so they have these new... They're trying to push this in it but it's all so far into the future that you know people still buy I mean just bogus because there is no way your gonna get enough these cars on the road and make a difference except when you buy a new car in fact some people believe since 2006 most of the new American cars you buy have a black box in them Yeah, so the black box is something that Ray Gangstala Hood would of course like to become a law where everybody has to have one of these black boxes and there's two forms. One is the black box which is very similar to an aircraft black box where it's recording stuff that happens so in the event of an incident we can go back and then blame it on pilot error, of course. It'll be all your fault

1:47:25 The secondary one that they're talking about is for taxation issues to tax Your road usage and of course track where you go I heard a commercial actually saw commercial yesterday from progressive And this is the reason why I guarantee you. I guarantee you 100% put it in the book You will have a black box in your car because you will not be able to afford insurance without it, and here's progressive one of the largest Car insurers in the United States with their latest promotion So what's the snapshot discount? It's pretty revolutionary. Patented, actually! It takes a snapshot of your good driving habits so you can save money. Just like a snapshot... That's what I'm talking about. You're in a sports car. Show it to me! Yes! I want to believe it! Fierce! Love it! Well that's-

1:48:25 I think we have it the snapshot discount new huge and only from progressive So it's kind of a cutesy commercial where she's taking pictures, you know It was like in the other I'm taking pictures but the snapshot literally now what's for a discount? But soon it will be if you don't have this little device. You have it in your car. You have to manually at this point press a button so it takes a snapshot as that's happened and I have the article here somewhere yeah you're right it's gonna just morph into a black box and you're gonna get a better deal if you have one. You're going to save hundreds of dollars a year, If you have one in its what and it's gonna be for your benefit because if you get into a wreck you're right you can reverse engineer but what is also going to be useful they don't even think about talking about this

1:49:09 is that the local police department will find some way of downloading this when you go in to get your smog check in California, which you have to do every year. They're gonna download the data from the black box and then give you retroactive tickets Because they're gonna know where you were and what speed you were doing and you're gonna say well look You're in a school zone. It was three o'clock in the afternoon there are children in the area that means 15 miles an hour you Were doing 18 miles an hour we owe it, you know its money? You know you run the freeway And it was at midnight and yeah There was nobody else on their freeway But it was like if freeway had a posted speed limit of 65 right here, and you were doing 80

1:49:47 you owe us money and that's exactly where this is going because then of course it will keep people from speeding a lot because you can't, you won't speed with the damn black box in your car but you know it's a little onerous and they're also gonna tell where you were. Well let see what we doing over here? What are you doing over there? You wouldn't excuse me Mr. Curry you wouldn't want us to call your family and let them know that you were over here on this day now would ya I think we can use a donation to the police retirement fund. So, I was incorrect. I'm looking at the webpage on progressive dot com here's how it works here's how our usage based in they're calling it a usage-based insurance program works hello getmo nation

1:50:29 One, enroll online. We'll send you the device and tell you where to plug it into your car. Drive as you normally do for the next 30 days You'll keep track of your good driving habits with a snapshot device. You can log into your Progressive Policy anytime to see your projected snapshot discount on day 31 Your initial snapshot savings which can be anywhere from 0%-30% kicks in After six months you'll send back the device will finalize your driving snapshot notice how they use those words and you can keep saving for as long As you're insured by progressive well guaranteed that this end This is how do you get screwed on both ends like? You won't be able to get insurance without your snapshot And then when you have your snapshot, you're gonna Get tickets and all kinds of you know Mickey took a right-hand turn here in in Los Angeles off of sunset and one and I think she knew she was doing

1:51:23 She's doing something that shouldn't be done because it was like not between 3 and 7 or whatever. You know, you get these intersections in Los Angeles there are 20 signs! And you know... It's like okay she turns right the cops are waiting there how much should that fine be? Well, it should be like $20 or 50 dollars max but I'm sure it wasn't. Two hundred and forty three dollars. Jeez! Yeah... Mickey had a heart attack She's been saying sorry for like the past week. She was like, I'm really sorry It was a trap Of course there was a trap because they were waiting right there But anyway that's pretty outlandish

CHAPTER 23 / 30 Discussion

Oakland Police Profit Centers and TSA Theft

The hosts criticize the Oakland Police Department for prioritizing profitable parking traps over investigating property theft. They also discuss reports of TSA agents stealing from passengers at checkpoints and the agency's quiet reimbursement of claims to avoid public scandal.

oakland· tsa· theft· bus lanes· parking tickets

1:52:11 two hundred and forty three dollars it will one thing slave you won't do it again slaves that's for sure and helps feed the coffers because we have a overpaid public officials yeah and you know we had this situation that just took place in oakland over paid public officials with a gay wouldn't you know there's work due which I think is part of some other mean but dude where's my stolen macbook yeah uh... that took place recently and um Some guy lost his MacBook, but has some snooper software on the things so he kept taking pictures of the guy who stole it And which I think is funny But it's still you know did the police said they didn't care until they got all this publicity and they had to go out and finally Go rest a guy even though. It's like $1100 product. I mean this is granted was just theft

1:52:58 They don't care about theft anymore. And my comment to that was every time someone brought up, well you know the police are busy... Yeah the police in Oakland one of the things they do and I think around the country this is gonna another money maker... Don't they go around shooting black people? Is that kind what they're supposed to do there? Oh yeah but that's been going on forever! The latest scam that they've got going instead of helping people find their stolen property because stolen property is no big deal apparently is that red bus stops, bus stops that you know say you're at the BART station and there's a parking lot and then there's a bus area. There are no buses there but it is like room for three buses and your friend just got off the BART you're coming to pick him up so use slow down in his stop real quick into the bus section and throw them in the car takeoff! You will get $250 fine

1:53:48 because it's illegal for anyone to use those bus lanes and there is a cop waiting, just sitting there waiting. It's like a speed trap you know we don't use speed traps we use parking traps and they have time to do that and just nick people because thats a profit center There is no profit in helping people find their lost property This is ridiculous these are public servants They're not supposed to making money on the deal The taxes are supposed to paying for what they do but no no they gotta pay themselves more money didn't they have to get more money so they're gonna get more money by creating profit centers overpriced public parking on the streets these phony baloney tickets and all this rest of meanwhile they can do anything about helping the public fight get their stolen property back this is ridiculous in his just getting worse so that he has a uh... has come under some investigation of late but it's very quiet

1:54:39 You know, there are 43 reports per day of people's possessions being stolen by the TSA when they're at the checkpoint. Yeah! They're stealing laptops left and right. But guess what? There is a secret reimbursement program... Listen to this His vacation went great It's the trip home that soured it all for Jason Lowe Flying back from Disneyland, TSA randomly selected him for extra screening. Lowe says that's when someone must have snatched his wallet from the bin by the X-ray. At this moment of the only people I can hold responsible is a TSA he lost his ID credit cards and $500 cash The TSA though has quietly reimbursed tens of thousands of travelers who have experienced similar

1:55:30 Paid out more than a half million dollars last year alone. Lowe learned about it the hard way. I hope that it was just a passenger that grabbed it and walked off with it, I would much rather think that then to think that an employee or agent of TSA could have done it So far no one has been caught in his case More then half billion bags go through TSA security checkpoints every year Gradually though fewer claims are being filed Of those, we have learned the TSA is rejecting more of them. The TSA points out it only gets about 45 claims a day despite screening two and half million bags! Yeah

1:56:09 So here's the way I read that, is the TSA in some regards is an organized crime unit. They're stealing your stuff and when they get found out instead of having a blemish on their tainted record as-is they pay people off. Shut up just take the money! And of course people take the money...and that's pretty outrageous We should have some congressional hearings about it. 45 a day? Really?! That's a pretty bad record. And they got cameras all over the thing and this is an area where security, this is a security area where you're checking people and your making observations and your carefully monitoring what's going on in your word six some terrorist is gonna get on the plane so it's a high-security area and... Sorry terror? It doesn't make any sense that anything being stolen in that area So there's new book out attention No Agenda Book Club maintainers

CHAPTER 24 / 30 Discussion

The New Jim Crow and Prison Industrial Complex

The segment explores the book "The New Jim Crow," which details how the war on drugs has led to a massive increase in the incarceration of Black Americans. The hosts discuss the use of prison labor as a form of modern slavery and the political implications of disenfranchising felons.

the new jim crow· incarceration· war on drugs· slave labor· barack obama

1:57:02 that talks about, in a way about some of these issues. It is about the security industry, the prison industry in these United States with some very interesting data The name of this book is called The New Jim Crow You want to explain Jim Crow laws briefly or just Jim Crow so we understand what that is for our non-Gitmo Nation West people? These were laws that were designed to essentially put the blacks in their place. You could put your hood back on now! Very nice. We should absolutely be releasing people from prison rather than trying to warehouse them more cheaply over the last 30

1:57:45 30 years our prison population has exploded, has quintupled gone from around 300 thousand 350 thousand to well over 2 million for reasons that have stunningly little to do with crime or crime rates. Crime rates have fluctuated during this period gone up gone down and today as bad as crime is in many parts of the country crime rate rates are at historical lows. But incarceration rates, especially black incarceration rates have consistently soared. Most criminologists and sociologists today will acknowledge that crime rates and incarceration rates have moved independently of one another. Incarceration rates have soared regardless whether crime was going up or down in any given community for the nation as a whole. So what does explain this prison boom?

1:58:34 Well, the answer is the war on drugs and the get tough movement. The wave of punitiveness that washed over the United States. In fact today there are more people in prisons and jails just for drug offenses than were incarcerated for all reasons in 1980. And overwhelming majority of those swept up in this drug war have been poor folks of color arrested and convicted of primarily nonviolent relatively minor drug offenses. So there you go, there's your prison industrial complex at work as we've talked about this on and off a lot and if Jim Crow laws were

1:59:16 you know this is I guess the modern version but the fact is that blacks in particular, in fact there was a black prosecutor that way. I had clips from it and I don't know if we ever use those clips up to dig him up again who was moaning and groaning about this saying no matter what we do with the crime goes down the prison population goes up the crime goes up the prison population no matter what you do and as mostly blacks and much of these are people arrested for their minor crimes or smoking dope You know, they're in a nightclub smoking dope or you know smoking crack pipe maybe and they get thrown in jail because the reason for that is because now they're literally blacks being you know epitomizing slave labor.

1:59:59 Yeah, because you're in there and you gotta work. You gotta work for money! You start looking at the websites and we should probably find a bunch of them because they are quite interesting that document... In fact there's websites that not only document but offer services Yeah, they're like the medic companies that say well you know when you're not getting enough money out of your prisoners. You can also do this and that and the other thing And meanwhile because we always point the finger at China as though they use a slave labor We use more slave labor in this country through the prisoners than any other nation. That's right, and it's not just license plates anymore ladies and gentlemen Oh no the license plate thing is a absolute It's a meme meant to be kept alive So you just feel like oh they make license plates Now they do lots of work that actually good way to position is it's just slave labor cheap slave labor which the state in the country actually subsidizes Yeah And its big money maker

2:01:01 Yeah, well great. I am stunned and then what is Obama by the way? Obama i believe is a black president What has he done for the black community regarding this scandal Oh well you know the whole idea Is he's got to throw all the blacks in jail before the next election because they're not gonna vote for him There's a huge... That's another thing You throw one of these guys In jail and now They can never vote again in their lifetime Hello everybody! I'm going To throw you in jail You can't vote for me. Yeah, there's a huge, huge uprising coming against him from the black community and the black business community is really... I mean livid with him

CHAPTER 25 / 30 Discussion

War Powers Resolution and the Obama Doctrine

Congress debates the War Powers Resolution of 1973 in the context of the military intervention in Libya. Representative Ron Paul questions constitutional experts about the "Obama Doctrine," which suggests the President can bypass Congress for humanitarian missions or NATO obligations.

war powers act· ron paul· libya· congress· constitution

2:01:48 Everyone's angry. I think it's the beauty, you know the rock star Barack we see on television in Ireland and the guy from 2008 at Westminster Abbey this is trying to program people It's trying to program dumb white people or not even dumb just white people who aren't getting thrown in jail Into thinking oh, this is the right guy. Yeah, that's a good it's good in July We're supposed to start withdrawing troops I let me let me let me make a prediction Let me make a prediction you know what is this Adams prediction day? You're filling up the book yeah, I'll say 5,000 troops we withdraw

2:02:31 Oh no, I'm not giving you that one. I'm not even gonna put it in the book because that number has come up over and we've brought it up? Did we did well...I don't remember okay so 5000 is the number that's been memed by everybody wouldn't be cool if he did like 3300 wouldn't that be like awesome yeah would be but it's gonna be 5,000 It will be claimed as a great victory yes Yes cuz he's fulfilling his promises very much like this one it is US policy that Qaddafi needs to go. But let me emphasize that we

2:03:07 anticipate this transition to take place in a matter of days and not a matter of weeks. Okay, that was... Wait he said that a couple days ago? What's the deal? Yeah that was a couple days ago on March 21st 2011 I think we're the only show doing... That tracks it? That has tracked this to the end. I mean where do you keep...? I personally don't think we should be harping on the president lies but no idea No Well, there was a congressional hearing about this. About the War Powers Resolution of 1973 as tied to the War Powers Act and so there's a bill now floating in Congress and this bill it's a Republican bill

2:03:56 would reinforce the whole idea of, hey you know you got 60 days after 48 hours. You gotta notify Congress then you have 60 days and then you got 30 days to clean it all up or get congressional approval to go kill people! So, Dr. Ron Paul is on this and I watched this for... I think it was two hours? The following program it's about 2 hours and 20 minutes that's what C-SPAN always does and Congressman Ron Paul talks to Rooney who's a Republican representative from Florida And so what they want to do is they want to slip in some language

2:04:37 into this bill that says essentially, well you know the War Powers Resolution of 1973 tied to the War Powers Act can be enacted if there's an imminent threat. If the security of United States is being threatened or if we have some kind of agreement like the NATO agreement so that we don't look like douchebags and Indian givers. So this is how slowly our constitution will be, well slowly radically is being eroded so that we basically do whatever the United Nations and NATO says just a little clip as Ron Paul asks constitutional experts

2:05:18 Congressman Rooney of Florida about this, uh, about this bill. Thank you. I would like to ask Mr. Rooney this question. I know you deferred and didn't want to particularly discuss Mr. Gibson's bill but since you've been a professor of constitutional law it'd be nice to have your opinion That phrase that he wants to add into about obligations under treaties, would you care to make any comment about that? Yes. Certainly I think there obviously is mention of that in the Constitution and with regard to what you were asking before one of the concerns that I have certainly with

2:05:57 the way that this president has moved forward and some of the comments that have come out of the administration, that deal with kind of like the new way we're going to go to war in the future under the Obama doctrine is if it's small humanitarian. We have NATO there's no need for Congress to get involved. You know, that and somehow to go to your question that trumps what our role is. That concerns me greatly but again as I said before those words have been used by prior administrations this humanitarian idea was used by Clinton you know so we're not in uncharted territory and possibly new legislation that trumps the War Powers Resolution

2:06:43 might bring clarity, but I think that you know what my resolution simply says is just let's act within accordance of the law. If the President took the time to follow the law when it came to notifying us within 48 hours then obviously he has some interest as Representative Gibson said in following the law but it's where we go from there that we always sort of have the wheels come off and uh... and so i would just say that you know if if we don't continue to assert ourselves course we have the power of the person in but um... you know i think that i think that you know what we shouldn't stop this fight just because we do or don't like more powers resolution and what it says they're in so i a i'd like one room he says there but of course the whole idea of the war powers resolution is kind of ridiculous

2:07:34 Well, the thing that gets me about this and I've said it on the show a couple of times. Why does Congress want to take some of the powers they have granted them by the Constitution and give them to another, to give them to the executive branch? This is ridiculous things you do! It seems to be if your within any government situation, I mean this is why agencies get so big is you want to grow your power so you're more powerful. I mean that's the kind of... and you have people preventing you from doing that, i've never heard of the opposite where you say we don't really want to do anything take the powers from us well course what happens is if you got a big mouth uh... i'll give an example congressman anthony wiener he has got a big mouth he's telling Clarence Thomas long dong silver pubic hair on the can of coke guy

CHAPTER 26 / 30 Discussion

General Wesley Clark and the Seven Countries Plan

The hosts replay a classic clip of General Wesley Clark describing a 2001 Pentagon memo to "take out" seven countries in five years. They apply this framework to current events in Syria and Libya, suggesting the "path to Persia" is being systematically followed.

wesley clark· pentagon· syria· iraq· regime change

2:08:33 That he has to recuse himself from the from any constitutional issues that are raised about health care because of his wife's Work for think tanks and connections, you know You got a big mouth. And then what happens? Oh yeah. Oh yeah stupid slave shut up Here's a boner in your boxers picture, you know stuff like no and people get worried about stuff like that Now, I did something as we agreed that would do on the previous show. Wait a minute! Stop for second... You don't think that within a million with it within any dimension that Clarence Thomas has any connection whatsoever with the Boner and the Boxers? I'm thinking Long Dong Silver. I'm thinking Boner in the boxers. That's my connection. That's okay is fine you can go off in that direction News reports toll of Syrian crackdown

2:09:28 where more than a thousand people have been killed nationwide, including 25 children rises to 33 in two towns. So the code has been transmitted it's time to go into Syria This is one of our predictions and I promised I would bring back general... It's not our prediction. We based this whole thing based on that old clip which i have queued up from General Wesley Clark on Democracy Now! And people who have listened to the show, there are a couple things about us replaying clips by the way. I want to say this now these clips have to be replayed because we have new listeners and we need to keep certain things in mind A.) and B.) they're worth listening to more than once. I enjoy hearing this clip

2:10:14 About ten days after 9-11, I went through the Pentagon and saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. So I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the joint staff who used to work for me. And one of the generals called me in he said sir you gotta come in talk with me a second. Well your too busy. No no. He says We've made the decision were going to war with Iraq This was on or about the 20th September. I said were going to war with Iraq? Why He said, I don't know. He said, I guess they don't know what else to do? So uh...I say well did they find some information collecting Saddam to Al Qaeda he said no no there's nothing new that way they just made the decision to go to war with Iraq he said i guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists but

2:11:07 We've got a good military and we can take down governments. And he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer every problem has to look like a nail So I came back to see him a few weeks later and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. Are we still going to war with Iraq? He said oh it's worse than that! He reached over on his desk picked up a piece of paper He said, I just got this down from upstairs meeting the Secretary of Defense's office today and he said This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years. Starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon Libya, Somalia Sudan and finishing off Iran There you go everybody That's the path to Persia An official plan

2:11:55 Right, so we do have to do something with Syria. Yeah of course well and who's a pal of ours until recently of course yeah I think the Egypt Tunisia thing just kind of got in the way or triggered re-triggered the old plan Because once the Egypt and Tunisia thing got underway, then we created this Libyan thing which follows that model that Clark mentioned. And the next thing on the list would be Syria. Particularly because the Russians have their naval base there

2:12:33 Well, that's your thinking. So the Russians... this is the thing that gets me. This is the variable. Is the Russians you know how much of this are they gonna put up with? I think that you know I think the Russians are just they've been through what we're doing right now They've been through the whole Afghanistan thing. They've been to the bankrupt thing. I think they just going back and going like We'll just wait until you're all messed up and then we'll be the true leaders with our buddies China. I think they are just hanging back, they don't care! I really don't. They either don't care or they are in on it. Possibly... possibly. Didn't the Russians raise their interest rates like some amazing two points? Something weird with finance going on there, I gotta look into it.

CHAPTER 27 / 30 Discussion

Dennis Kucinich and the Libya War Powers Bill

Representative Dennis Kucinich attempts to bring a resolution to the House floor to end the war in Libya, but the vote is postponed by leadership. The hosts also play a clip of Kucinich criticizing the Federal Reserve and the cost of foreign wars while domestic needs go unmet.

dennis kucinich· libya· c-span· federal reserve· stephen harper

2:13:22 Meanwhile, the Canadian news doing a pretty good job. Did you hear what Harper came out and said? What? Presiding over the exit of Canadian troops from combat in Afghanistan, Prime Minister Harper yesterday said this. Afghanistan is no longer a threat to the world The country may indeed still be a miserable and dangerous place for its citizens said Harper But this country does not represent a geo-strategic risk to world It is no longer a source of global terrorism

2:13:59 Quite a declaration. The question is, might it not be a little too early for such confidence? The Americans are anxious to leave too but they keep warning there remains much to do. The White House says the goals remain. Disrupt dismantle and ultimately defeat Al Qaeda and to ensure that Afghanistan would not again become a haven for terrorists. So there you go Canadian says is it's not dangerous over there No, we're only over there to maintain a watch on Pakistan. I think we've listened enough C-SPAN to realize that the reason why we are in Afghanistan now is to maintain a watch on Pakistan and of course still protect the poppy fields because it's huge income Still a big deal! A lot money to be made there and we aren't going let that slide

2:14:48 There was something really weird that happened. By the way, I just looked up the Russian interest rates and know they're historic lows they went up... They may be good they went up to 775 was the lowest ever and it just bounced around now its at 825 its not very high Oh okay! That's why said I wasn't sure I thought I'd seen some kind of a some kinda weird message about that So Dennis Kucinich The congressman from Ohio who is, he seems to be a light of hope in Congress. On the Democrat side? He's the analog of Ron Paul on the Democrat side. I actually have two clips by him one is uh... this is pretty short talking about why we're in debt and it's like I'm hearing Ron Paul talk and then I have message that C-SPAN broadcast about him Why are we in debt

2:15:42 We borrow trillions for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, trillions for tax cuts for the rich. We borrow billions from China and Japan. We have plenty of money for war, Wall Street, and welfare for the wealthy but when millions of honest Americans need jobs, need wage increases, need health care, need education, need retirement security they're told no we don't have the money How is it that the Fed can create trillions of dollars to give to banks, but the US can't meet its needs without going into debt? The financial system works for a few at the expense of many. The founders did not intend for America to be run by big banks and Wall Street

2:16:28 The Constitution put the ability to create money in the hands of Congress. The Fed took away that power in 1913, we need to get that power back! To invest in our economy, to create jobs, to put America back to work, to rebuild America without going into debt. We must reclaim our destiny by reclaiming control over the money system. The gentleman's time has expired. That is right, and your life is going to expire if you keep talking like that don't be too smart no they've already gotten him so much he's like Ron Paul he's been marginalized right nobody covers him you know what you hear that on c-span you'd never see that on a network broadcast democrat mind you a democrat you never know but he's always been kind of you know

2:17:14 loose cannon and nobody pays attention to these guys. It's all like a big scheme that so, you know these opinions that are expressed by him are covered up and meanwhile Anthony Weiner would get he gets all kinds of kind of quote-unquote ink coverage. So Dennis Kucinich was about... He wanted to introduce a bill Libya War Powers Bill onto the floor And so of course while everybody is looking at Anthony Wiener penis We're watching C-SPAN. Even C-SPAN can barely cover it, so this is the guy who does the... The following will last about an hour and 47 minutes

2:17:54 One item we've been anticipating in the House was debate over the War Powers Act and a bill crafted by Congressman Kucinich of Ohio to end the war in Libya. Well, we learned today that resolution H-Con Resolution 51 was pulled from the floor calendar. Congressman Kucinich responded with this statement I'll read a portion he says in part The house leadership has communicated to me via email that the vote on Libya will be postponed in an effort to compel more information consultation from the administration I have been asked to provide input for the information which the House will seek from the administration. It's clear that the administration violated Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution which reserves to Congress the power to declare war. It is clear that the administration is in violation of the War Powers Act which within a 60-day period

2:18:44 requires the president to terminate military action or seek authorization from Congress to continue the military action. Congress needs to act to defend the Constitution and the statute." And he concludes, I look forward to the time when we will debate House Concurrent Resolution 51 and the constitutional and statutory issues surrounding the war power. We will keep you posted on whether this bill gets re-added to the house agenda There's your news everybody! Yeah So that's the only place this was reported. The announcer on C-SPAN. The announcer yet? The one hour, this show will last one hour guy! It is always about an hour. No it is about an hour and 47 minutes in 22 seconds. About which will be followed by a really boring program Yeah no this is scandal

2:19:39 Of course it's a scam, they sent him an email. Yeah I love that! Why did they send him a text message on his phone? Just tweet it. Hey, Dennis Ears forget about it dude we're pulling this from the calendar and meanwhile all the stupid human resources... You can be sure that was bipartisan only Ron Paul would probably be on the side of it The two of them should team up They should get married. Run for president, vice-president is what they should do but that's never going to happen because nobody wants that. No money! They got no money you can't do it. You won't get any money because the whole thing is rigged Now as we're drawing to the end of the program here What is going on down under?

CHAPTER 28 / 30 Discussion

Australian Public Swearing Fines in Victoria

The government of Victoria, Australia, introduces laws allowing police to issue on-the-spot fines for using indecent language in public. Critics argue the law will be used to selectively target individuals and represents an overreach into personal speech and civil liberties.

australia· victoria· swearing· fines· civil liberties

2:20:27 In Australia, this I mean you know. I have...I hold Australia and their values very highly. I like the Aussies you know they're they play hard work hard fight hard drink hard You know they do all kinds of stuff really hard And they have their own version of football which is actually quite entertaining Yeah where you get beat up and stuff it's like yeah that's good amazing! I like them I've only been there once but i did really fell in love with the country And by the way, it's not easy to... I've checked. If you want to immigrate- if you wanna go move to Australia You have to have like a... No joke! A college degree

2:21:08 And you have to have some special talents and skills or two million dollars or some crap like that. It's not easy What just a move there? Yeah, if you want to go live there yeah the immigration laws are very tough That may have changed but what I was reading seems like that's the deal so in Victoria the province of Victoria where the VBs come from the Victoria bidders There is a new law on the books that will be implemented by the police and the police do not, they can hand out fines immediately so very much like here in Los Angeles if you round the corner at the wrong time of day get a $243 fine. Here's what is going on in Victoria The new laws to be introduced to the Victorian Parliament this week Police will have the power to issue on-the spot fines to people using indecent language but even Attorney General Robert Clark admits he has used the odd swear word

2:22:03 I occasionally mutter things under my breath, as probably everybody does. But this law is not targeted at that it's targeted at the sort of obnoxious offensive behaviour in public that makes life unpleasant for everybody else The reforms are part of the Bailey U Government's broader Law and Order Agenda which includes minimum jail terms for 16- and 17 year olds convicted of violent crimes and protective security officers at suburban police stations Robert Clark says the new swear jar should make it easier for police to deal with anti-social behaviour. Clearly this sort of loutish, obnoxious behaviour can be very off putting for many members of the public going about their ordinary business in public places. It's contributing to a growing level of anti social behaviour that Victoria has been experiencing over

2:22:52 ten years or so and this will give the police the tools they need to be able to act against this sort of obnoxious behavior on the spot rather than... I mean, is Australia...? Hey buddy! What was that you said? Tools. Yeah, I said poop. Can you believe this?! Excuse me, I've been to Australia there's a swear word every five words and it's how they talk and it's cool And it's with that cool accent, it doesn't even sound bad. So what will the word be? What is a swear word and they call it the swear jar

2:23:31 There may be more to this than one explain drag offenders off the court and take up time and money in Proceeding in the court bus Tiffany overall from youth law says young people feel they're being targeted The reality is that you know, young people are more commonly using public spaces and whatever You know you that brings up a point when she said targeted Is that when you have a situation Russia's known for this? We're where basically there's so many onerous laws that you're essentially in violation of the law. all the time. I mean that's starting to happen in this country. It is definitely happening here. Where you're basically, there is something you are doing whatever it is at any given point You are doing something illegal and all they have to do is target you Yeah exactly And say well ya know let us go get him because you know if everyone is cussing then the cops can selectively say hey fat boy! And go over there and give that guy a ticket Hey Fat Boy your too fat

CHAPTER 30 / 30 Discussion

German E. Coli Outbreak and Cucumber Contamination

A deadly E. coli outbreak in Germany is initially blamed on Spanish cucumbers, causing a trade crisis. The hosts discuss the "vicious" nature of the new strain, which primarily affects adult women, and the difficulty health officials face in identifying the exact source of the contamination.

e. coli· germany· cucumbers· spain· world health organization

2:26:53 You know, this is your cucumbers... They don't know though. That's the joke of it they don't know and they screwed Spain by some false report saying it was Spanish cucumbers We'll listen to the report and then we can discuss Nobody knows the exact source so many react with fear In Spain, cucumbers are being thrown away by the cartload The country's been accused of being the source of the deadly strain of E. coli, so veg traders destroy produce to try to... Veg traders! How does that one feel for you John? VEG TRADERS! ...preserve their reputation Others assert their food is safe but demand more information

2:27:34 An alarm like this can't be raised without having reliable information. We don't have it, neither does Germany and neither does the European Union. Vegetable markets in Germany have suffered. This market manager says tomatoes and cucumbers all safe here Scientists are trying to identify the strain of E.coli One possibility is that it's come from food that health conscious women eat cucumbers because they're low calorie So this is what interesting, is that apparently women are dying of this This doesn't attack everybody but primarily women which is kind of weird Well they think its because of what he explained Which is something Because more woman eat healthy That's what he's trying to say

2:28:22 But the problem is there's enough cases of this and epidemiological models should be in play showing where it's centered and where it's coming from. And you should by now, you'd think I mean in the United States we're isolating stuff within weeks generally speaking as always a farm in Salinas but that's beside the point Damn those Salinas farms. But we tend to find the place pretty quickly and they seem to be completely befuddled by the whole thing Or perhaps women are just particularly susceptible to this strain of the bug At present, mostly adult people young adults and preferably women are severely affected. I like the use of the word preferrably women hello? Preferably! He says preferably Well that's probably some arcane usage that we're not familiar with Or maybe he just wants it to be... He wants all women to die Listen

2:29:17 young adults and preferably women. I'm telling you, preferably women! We have... Preferably women are going to die from this ugly virus. Are severely affected the reason for this is still unknown There is some very sophisticated scientific investigation going on to try to identify the- This is great, so they show a guy with a couple of Petri dishes. Very sophisticated investigation! But the real work is old fashioned detective work asking all the victims what they ate when they ate it Is that proper English? At? Et? What they et when they et isn't it eight I mean well I would say eight when they ate it Did you at this morning

2:29:59 Ah, ah eh, a saute. Where they bought it and trying to find the patent In the absence of hard evidence many sources come under suspicion until the source is definitely identified The best advice remains use yet most hygiene when preparing food Stephen Evans, BBC News Berlin. theoretically you could unless it's inside the fruit which is always a possibility because it can get in through different mechanisms but you can cook anyway once it's cooked its okay cuz I mean it's not like cucumbers cooked or like well you know so we may have to do that there are other uses for cucumbers

2:30:52 Mm-hmm. Anyway, so that's how I started the show in case you didn't notice my opening line! I'm glad we have a throwback at the very end of the show beautiful So usually this is kind of coincidental friend of mine sent me a link i just sent it to ya which will put into shown us called travel trots dot CEO UK and it's a interactive map of areas of massive diarrhea. And very interesting actually, and the funny thing is there's countries that believe this E-coli came out of Africa Really? Who's they? The mysterious they This is a great site! There's a ticket that pops up on my screen

2:31:37 By it's an airline ticket from Brown Air Did you get this did you look at the sign and get the brown area? Yeah, that is diarrhea destinations. Yes on your travels Don't let the travel trots ruin your trip Oh my goodness click on a continent then country to see how likely you are to get diarrhea Let's click on your click on one of them middle African countries now I'm clicking on Europe Germany Nice sound effects. 5% of respondents had it, this is bogus! 5%, they're saying it's safe I mean safe in Germany. I like the sound effects on this, this is pretty good. Anyway its just a funny site but its in the news lets put it that way The E-Cola seems to have been some... I'm sorry thats your website

2:32:31 a new strain of uh... e-coli that's not and i did not good for the world health organization has weighed in at the quick look on them well they are break doesn't look as though it's increasing rapidly that that the germans from the european stinking may well have paid don't worry everybody is also if we are from the world or the world health organization nothing to fear but of course Because there's an incubation period between being exposed and falling ill, which might be as long as two weeks. The outbreak will look as though it is going on, look as though it increasing in size when perhaps the suspect food or whatever that is has been taken off the market. Only time will tell. We know about these kidney complications... It's a new strain? Is it a more vicious strain?

2:33:16 Well, so far it looks as though it may well be. I think we'll have to wait and see until all the dust has settled before we can be certain of that but it certainly is as nasty as any of these particular kinds of E-coli that we've seen in the past The proportion of people getting the Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome which is the kidney complication affects the blood and goes on sometimes to affect the brain and heart seems to be really quite high in this outbreak, in fact very high. And it's affecting people outside the normal risk groups that are very young and old as well. As long as we're killing women that is all groovy, that's preferable I don't know...I'm not alarmist but I think its weird

2:33:57 How we're not seeing immediate huge response, you know big news stories I mean maybe it's still forthcoming Maybe the penis thing with the boner and the boxers was just too much for Wolf Blitzer to handle anything else But I do know that in Gitmo Nation Deutschland and now Gitmo nation East people are starting to freak out They're very worried. And we have to track down this source right? The kind of like the ground zero of this E-coli Yeah, you have to track down the source. Now it could've been some one tainted supply of one type of food that could be, you know, got parsley for all you know that got into the food supply and then it got eaten up and now is the end of it? And then it'll disappear we never know what happened which is a possibility at least in way this guy describes it but generally speaking

2:34:47 You should be able to figure out, you know there's got to be somebody that can figure this out. I mean it didn't just mysteriously appear out of the blue all over the place Well maybe we just want to kill off the women and reduce the population seems preferable preferably Preferably it seems exactly what we want to do so And uh...I gotta hurry up because I gotta get the show up and then were off to go um Get the rental van And Sunday, well hopefully there will be a show. Say hi to the listeners in Palm Springs California and Death Valley By the way just outside of Palm Springs as you're heading there on that road There is shopping mall outlet mall on the left side of the freeway Just before you get to Palm Springs That is one of the best in California You should go there and buy something

2:35:38 And what should I buy? I don't know whatever you think you whatever you bite an outlet mall Okay fine, so be careful. What you do with that cucumber everybody And we will be back with you coming from the Gitmo Nation Hot Pockets Across America 2008 Tour Van, the test van on Sunday. Currently here at the Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where i did have something clever to say but I lost it in this shuffle somewhere maybe next week ill have it Im John C Dvorak We'll talk to again on Sunday

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