Train Crashes into Plane

00:00 Tell me a little bit about how the sexuality is in your DNA, because I'm Charlie Rose and I want you to come over here. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Wednesday, July 21st, 2010, time for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 219-er. This is no agenda. Avoiding two to the head by being nuttier than most and coming to you from the hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West in the People's Republic of Southern California in the morning somewhere. I'm Adam Curry.

00:36 Yes in the morning summer, but not here although the fog is finally lifting at quarter to seven in the evening But it's not gonna lift at all. I'm John C. DeVore can or this Silicon Valley Yeah, this sucked I Drive not supposed to say anything. It's not after your name. No, then it's kind of Process I was it's late. Yeah, I Well in the morning to you John. In the morning to everybody listening in all ships at sea. And to the human resources who are listening live at noagendastream.com, in the chat room at noagendachat.com. I hope you're all nice and charged up because your government needs you that way. Actually I got a funny, let me set my timer here, I got a funny picture from, let me see who was that from, one of our producers.

01:30 Shoot I forgot his name. He sent me a picture of a military base. I'm gonna pull it up right now. This is of Fort Fort Knox and so this is Fort Knox gold. There's this I thought was him no It's it's Fort Knox. I can't see I can't really see it's Fort Knox the gold place Strength no no this is uh well. There's a big tank at the at the gate now. This is tank of gold This is Fort Knox isn't that a? military base? Yeah, it's where they keep the gold. Oh, that's actually a military base too, I didn't know that. Well, somebody's got to guard the gold. Okay, it says Fort Knox, strength starts here and underneath it, and this is like a huge granite stone, it says home of the Human Resource Center of Excellence.

02:19 Those guys are crazy. Those human resource guys are just crazy. I'm telling you, human resources, welcome to the program. So we got some human resources supporting us this week. Yeah, which is is desperately needed because we had a very bad show as it comes to support even though we appreciate every single penny that comes in every Droplet is highly appreciated. We got to eat too. We like the we have bills to pay people who are serious about their support and they and they show it uh... let's start with a couple of the subway we have to executive pretty well actually back to our standard uh... model which is to executive producers and three associate executive producers the show we got to move the bunch of birthdays will bring up later in the show from uh... chastened uh... ruts deals ski uh... or chase and sorry chase in his jason a chase in ross deals keep ross deals ski uh... incident in the paris

03:22 of Canada. Yes. Saskatoon. Which by the way is installing new x-ray body scanners. Oh that's a shame. There's only like 250,000 people there. Yeah. And yet they're gonna get a $300,000 body scanner. Useless body scanner. Anyway he gave us $500 to finalize his knighthood. Yes. Well actually no CG Meyer I don't think Jason has, is he finished his... No, he's close. He's close. I think he might be very close. I think he's another $3.

03:58 CG Meyer is the one who's finalized his knighthood and he has from Montgomery a South Australia Australia 333 33 of course and he says is finishing his knighthood thanks for the advice from last time and thanks for the penny wasn't Gambier didn't he send a note that I think yeah I think you pronounce it Gambier I think it probably is pronounced it's in Australia and they would pronounce it that way and associate executive producers eric wilco in winona lake indiana and uh... uh... eric our uh... database manager for some reason put his name in green for some unknown reason

04:36 Lucas Hockenson, one of our long-time supporters, from Selkirk, Manitoba, 234563, 23456, and finally Jared Forrester in Regina, I'm sorry, Regina, Saskatchewan. So wait a minute, let me get this straight. We have one American and three Canadians and an Australian. What did we do to, what did we say? I don't know, well... Why are the Canadians chiming in all of a sudden? You insulted them in the last show. Who? You did. You said something about Canada. Oh, they know that I'm just kidding. That's code. But what's weird is that, is like two of them are from, both from Saskatchewan and one from Regina rhymes with. No, one is from Saskatoon. Yeah, the parrot says Canada. That's not Saskatchewan. Oh, I'm sorry. What am I thinking? Yeah, you're right. Wow, Saskatchewan.

05:32 We have a couple Saskatoon is in Saskatchewan. What are we thinking? I don't know. It's the capital I believe. I'm sorry. Well, Saskatchewan is actually the France of Canada and Saskatoon is the Paris. Yeah, and Regina rhymes with something. Please read that. That's what they say. If you ever met anybody from Regina, they'd say that's the first thing they'd tell you. No, they do not. Oh yes, they do. Okay, you Canadians tell him you send him some email. You know what to say, please don't don't overburden my email with that Let's thank these people and get to play the well hold on before we do that. We've got a couple of budding PR associates Lorne Neufeld says Adam I spent seven hours auto rolling chat roulette and

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07:53 See, Willow's actually contributed to the show. I've never seen Tiffany show up. She doesn't even know about the show. She doesn't care. But she'll be coming out here eventually and we'll guilt her. Now, Willow's a subscriber. She's a monthly subscriber. Yeah, I see her name float by. And so maybe I should try to go with this thing. Oh, that would be great. Yeah, well, if I went to it, by the way, I'd get some sponsors and nobody would be coughing up anything. Don't like the idea of you know, I like you know, there are people that will Will pay the tab. Yeah, I know but I'm not in charge of this nor do I wish to be yeah Okay, well, we won't worry about it. Thanks to Klaatu Nikto Klaatu sends me a lot of stories and ideas and links and he's also done something which I would encourage everyone to do he's submitted no agenda stream calm to screamer radio and

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11:19 There's a little crown on there too, I don't know what the... You should have Paul do the rings. Well, I didn't want to bring it up, but... Well, I knew you would, so I thought I'd jump in. You just might want to consider that these rings have to get done eventually. So we want to thank Chasen Rudzilski. CG Meyer as today's executive producers of no agenda show 219 and associate executive producers Eric will Eric Wilka Lucas Hawkinson and Jared Forrester You guys a couple of you returning producers highly appreciated. You know the deal you can add this to your ever-growing list of credits as as associate executive or executive producer of the show and the rest of you of course out there and

12:00 You have to do this one very simple thing, go out and propagate the formula. Our formula is this, we go out, we hit people in the mouth. Mill. Blood. Order. Alright everybody, let's say it now. Shut up, slave. I found there to be a tremendous amount of news, John. Did you find the same? Yeah, there's a lot of news, a lot of fake news, a lot of cover-up news, a lot of news, a lot of look-over-here news, lots of look-over-here news. And I want to talk about that when you feel like it.

12:41 But I think that there's like, I think I'm pretty sure I know what they're trying to cover up and I think it's the Republicans, the Democrats, the Conservatives and the Liberals all trying to shoo us away from the most important story, the most interesting story at least of the week. Well, why don't you lay it on me big boy? Well, you know, first of all, the one that, the breaking thing that was, that's chewing up all the time is this woman who was apparently Breitbart ran this clip of her. Oh, this is the woman who is the reverse racism clip of the week. Yeah, and so here, so to make the long story short, because everybody's harping on this, I got the big, including some of my bloggers, who you know, Shirley Sherrod, who apparently was wronged by the fact that they took a clip out of context. Apparently she gave a speech to the NAACP where she started off saying

13:32 Well, when I was a local USDA inspector, I ran into this ugly white man and I thought that he didn't know what he was doing and I was going to screw him over. But then I got to know, but then he stopped it. That's the clip. They play that clip. And so everybody goes ballistic. And then of course the whole clip goes like, then I learned my lesson. I'm no better than anybody else. And him and I are still good friends to this day. I helped him as much as I could. And she went, goes on and on. So the way I understood it, is that clip was on YouTube before it was even on TV and because of that clip which appears to be out of context because it's only a clip and indeed you don't hear the rest, the administration forced her to resign. Fired her.

14:18 So here's the way the story goes though. So they play this little clip, Bright Barstowgal made it popular and then the Fox News channel picks it up and they all, including O'Reilly and everybody else, they should fire this racist pig, she's got to go. And so the next thing you know, the White House gets a hold of all the people making a big fuss and they send her a bunch of notes and fire her. Will Zach, mainly the head of the Department of Agriculture, takes credit for firing the Monsanto shill. The Monsanto shill. He's the woe is me as though the White House had nothing to do with it. And then now they played then they rolled out in their left wing media comes out. Look at you didn't play the whole clip. Play the whole clip.

14:55 So they play the whole clip after all this has come down and now the right-wing media, the O'Reilly's and everybody say, what a bunch of shitheads the White House is for firing this poor woman without listening to the whole clip. You're right, John. Don't look over here. Nothing to see here. So anyway, but I got the biggest kick out of them manipulating the scene and coming out, you know, the right-wing guys came out smelling like a rose making the white. So the White House could have really made hay with this as a look over here moment by saying, wait a minute, we looked into this and here's the whole clip and these bastards are great officer, but they had already candor. They didn't they cander. Yeah, which is fell right into the trap. But that was just covering up the most important news.

15:42 The most important news as far as I'm concerned is the two-year study done by the Washington Post. Exactly. That reveals about, if you look at the adults in this country, about one person in every 90 people you know works for an intelligence agency. Is a spook. Is a spook. The country is crawling with spies. It's just outrageous. By the way, I want to say something right up here front for all these people that think we're just a couple of right wing lunatics. It's the Fox and all the who we believe is run by the Democrats, Fox and the entire organization over there. Nobody has talked about this story. In fact, the only time I saw a good report on this was on our national treasure on the NewsHour.

16:28 where they actually interviewed the writer, Dana. We do have a long clip of that we can play. I have the front line video, it's about seven minutes in the show notes, so that'll show up on noagendatv.com as well. And the fact is that they played this, they talked about it, she told what she had to say and it's very interesting and that was the end of it. What I find kind of interesting about this story is that really there's, it seems like we're merging the The CIA is not like spying on everybody. It's merging with corporate America and corporate America is the enemy now. They're the ones that are really spying on us in every nook and cranny and they all have top secret clearance. It's just it's frightening is what it is. I think the number was 850,000 people in this country are spies.

17:25 with spying on the public with top-secret clearance. And I have to say there's some interesting research being done into Google in this regard because Google is you know is just another part of this. Oh yeah. Where their In-Q-Tel investor which is a well-known CIA venture fund. Well they admitted and what was I reading? You know that Wi-Fi thing that they were doing where they were capturing packets? So someone dug up the patent for that for their Wi-Fi war driving sniffing thing and right there in the patent it says it's also intended to collect packets of user data. Yeah. Search histories, email, personal documents. Illegally. Yeah illegally and these guys it's admitted that they have a partnership with the NSA

18:19 I'm sure Google has a little campus somewhere in Virginia. You can just, I bet you if you looked it up you'd see it. They are an extended arm of the CIA like all these other commercial companies. And so is Microsoft. Yeah. And Apple, how about Apple? Come on. Apple's gotta be in there. They gotta be in there. It's just there's no escaping it. We already know AT&T's in the bag. I mean that big building down the street from the Mevio headquarters is where they keep all the computers. Echelon. Echelon. It's Echelon. It's in there. You can walk by the building. The windows are all blacked out. It's a beautiful, fairly new building. And it's got, it's the creepiest building on, what's this, on 2nd Street.

18:59 and it's well known. I take a picture of it every time I go by because I find it fascinating. And people say, what are you taking a picture of that? I say, that's Echelon. That's the CIA, NSA's big computers in there. They're spying on every phone call you make. Oh really? Oh, okay. And then they wander off. I mean, some believe it, nobody cares. In QTEL, a venture capital firm established by the CIA also has a connection with Facebook Their Facebook second round of funding, which was an early on round 12 and a half million dollars, came from Excel Partners. Its manager James Breyer, formerly chairman of the National Venture Capital Association, served on the board with Gilman Louie of In-Q-Tel.

19:41 It's all connected. And they're all spying on us. And you know, I think there's something with Facebook, because Facebook I don't think is ever going to go public, or may never, because I think there's too much weird stuff in the back rooms. Yeah, like they're not really making money. Well, that may be true, or it may not be true, but whatever the case is, they're definitely collecting a lot of information. And I think every time Zuckerberg, you know says anything that might indicate, you know, he wants out they have something screwy going on but and face it lawsuit and look at the guy he's total MK ultra He's just completely drugged out and controlled. It's obvious. I'm sure they've got a chip in his head by now. He starts sweating. So whatever the case is, this is the big story this week. These guys, these two reporters worked on this for, and I have to say this is why the big news media, the major news media is more important often than bloggers and you know wannabes.

20:36 because they can be paid to work for two solid years to develop this story and they developed this unbelievable story which they will turn into a book and I think you know the smart money will read the book because it'll have more stuff in it because obviously nobody's paying attention to this it is a scandal of epic proportions but what are we looking at? We're looking at this Shirley Sherrod and two or three other bonehead stories that are just dumb and nobody wants to talk about the fact that everybody in this country is a spy. One of our producers did some extra work and I put all his links in the show notes about Honeywell

19:41 It's all connected. And they're all spying on us. And you know, I think there's something with Facebook, because Facebook I don't think is ever going to go public, or may never, because I think there's too much weird stuff in the back rooms. Yeah, like they're not really making money. Well, that may be true, or it may not be true, but whatever the case is, they're definitely collecting a lot of information. And I think every time Zuckerberg, you know says anything that might indicate, you know, he wants out they have something screwy going on but and face it lawsuit and look at the guy he's total MK ultra He's just completely drugged out and controlled. It's obvious. I'm sure they've got a chip in his head by now. He starts sweating. So whatever the case is, this is the big story this week. These guys, these two reporters worked on this for, and I have to say this is why the big news media, the major news media is more important often than bloggers and you know wannabes.

20:36 because they can be paid to work for two solid years to develop this story and they developed this unbelievable story which they will turn into a book and I think you know the smart money will read the book because it'll have more stuff in it because obviously nobody's paying attention to this it is a scandal of epic proportions but what are we looking at? We're looking at this Shirley Sherrod and two or three other bonehead stories that are just dumb and nobody wants to talk about the fact that everybody in this country is a spy. One of our producers did some extra work and I put all his links in the show notes about Honeywell

21:14 Of course, oh yeah, they're right up there. They're cropping up in the news the spy news. Well, listen to what he's got. He's got a long time working relationship with the CIA that were selected provide both the initial navigation automatic flight control systems for I guess the drones Clinton connection climate change a global problem that requires local action and How was Honeywell is proud to put our energy management experience to work as part of this global effort So then, let's see what else. Oh, they're also in high-speed trains. They produce the QA650 for industrial grade applications including automotive test instrumentation, braking system deceleration, land navigation for vehicles, subway high-speed rail.

22:02 they are facilitating the carbon credit trading systems, building reactors in Iran. Hello! As they refuse to cease their business in Iran is participating in projects to develop Iran's energy industry. Wait, wait, that can't be legal. Well, they don't give a crap. Of course, well, I don't know, maybe it's only the the oil industry that is boycotting. It's a embargo. You can't be doing business with Iran unless there's something fishy going on. Well, let me read the... here it is. Yeah, this is a recent article, June 21st. Honeywell has refused to cease its business in Iran and is participating in projects to develop Iran's energy industry. A Honeywell subsidiary, Universal Oil Products, currently engaged in expanding and upgrading the Arak refinery.

23:00 Interesting. Well it says Iraq. No, it's A-R-A-K. It's Iran, but it's the A-RAC. A-RAC, refinery in Iran. Honeywell's decision is especially egregious considering that Honeywell does more business with the US government than any other company currently active in Iran. Wow. How many other companies are active? Who knows? Someone, they're holding a rally, united against nuclear Iran. Well, you can look at all those links great work I don't know if this producer wanted to be named or not So I'm a little careful with it We refrain from naming people if we don't know for sure because some people are in sure Some people are working for a living many of our supporters actually have jobs which is insider jobs, too I might I might add I got a lot of insider emails this week. I

23:50 from people who really know what's going on on the inside. Well before we go to that, and I think we made our point with this story, we could play by the way, I do have a long clip if you want. We can play at the end of the show. Which one is it just so I know? It's the interview with, let me go back to my little thing here, it's the interview with With the with the woman who do we will Margaret Warner speaks with Dana, right? Right. That's that's the seven minute clip. We'll play that at the end of the show the seven minutes a long seven minute clip. It's boring But it has a, there's a couple of interesting points that are made in the clip, including the fact that these researchers, they found like half a dozen intelligence agencies set up around the country and they have them mapped out everywhere. And they're working on the exact same project, you know, kind of redundant, a lot of redundancy, nobody's doing any real work.

24:47 They're doing she says they're doing like low-end stuff nobody wants to do any real hard heavy lifting and that's why you had this character at you know Letterman and the Hassan guy shooting up the place because nobody would cares There's just a this is just a complete waste of the taxpayers money, and then the clip is called spies everywhere Yeah, we'll play that the end of the show. We'll play that after the show's over I just wanted to mention one thing just before we got into some more meaty stuff You know, we talked about the 1099s being a scandal because they slipped this crazy stuff in the health care bill and I was listening today and I looked it up and in fact it's true. They not only put made people, everyone has to do a 10, you know, if you're self-employed especially or small business you have to do a 1099 for anything you spend over $600 for which includes airlines. Does that mean we have to start sending our Knights a 1099? We're not buying any services from them. Right.

25:44 they have to send a day proper well i don't know uh... became a little change in the air force you don't know be very careful here is reaches starting january first to this in twenty twelve so we don't the way yet and they're gonna try to read them dropped it is not a there although the obama administration the democrats may not allow it Form 1099 will become a means of reporting to the Internal Revenue Service the purchase of all goods and services, donations may not count, by small businesses and self-employed people that exceed $600 during a calendar year. Precious metals such as coins and bullion fall into this category and coin dealers have been among those most rankled by the change. In other words, if you go buy a thousand dollars worth of gold, it now has to become a public document. Oh yeah. And it's got all these gold nuts, you know, up in arms because you're not buying gold so it can be confiscated.

26:40 The big fear is that now the government's gonna know every ounce of gold you bought and when they wanted to confiscate all the gold, they're just gonna come knocking on your door because they got your 1099. Oh, right. Well, I'm glad I got my gold two years ago. It was still 800 bucks. That's what Roosevelt did. Yeah, he recalled it. Everyone had to hand in their coins, right? Yeah. Pried out of my dead fingers. It was a felony if you kept the gold. Yeah, there's more felonies I commit. Yeah, well. So all of this of course really distracted from the...

27:16 Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010 known as HR 4173 which I have dubbed the Federal Reserve Empowerment Act. The president signed that legislation today it is now law of the land and if you really look at this yeah there's some some print in there about credit cards and and fees etc that's the protection part and then the part where they stomp on you with a Jack Boot is giving all the power to the Federal Reserve. I know I'm sound like a broken record but the Federal Reserve is not a part of the government it's a private organization of banks and I have the CNBC app and whenever there's important news in fact I swear to God it went off when Lindsay Lohan went to jail which was which was oh that's important news CNBC

28:09 It's been going off all day Bernanke's out there booing. Well, I think we'll have you know, it's gonna be tough time So now he has the power right? So now Bernanke has been given the power and now he's in the foreground because now he's God He will run everything and he comes out. He said hey, we got to spend people you stupid slaves go to the mall Loosen up their purse strings. You need to go spend He's a stupid slave at the current moment the large deficits as unattractive as they are are important for supporting economic activity which means more debt for us. The nation's central banker told the Senate panel citing weak private spending and a great deal of excess capacity. Bernanke added he'll be reluctant to withdraw that support to precipitously in the near term his comments strongly echoed remarks he made in June. Precipitously? Yes it's the two dollar word of the day.

29:06 outstanding public debt currently 13.2 trillion dollars and he's gonna make it more he says we'll also see inflation he's gonna so I guess in rates are gonna go up a little bit but he's now the master he's now the master well he owns us he owns us he totally owns us and he's gonna put small banks out of business and he's gonna empower his buddies and everyone's gonna go what just happened how that happened huh It got ramrodded through and everyone who signed that bill should be shot at dawn. I said it. So there's a provision in the law on page 172 of the conference report which may lead to unconstitutional racial and gender preferences being forced on financial institutions. Oh, this is the you've got to have women and minorities part? Becker Posner blog talks about this. Yeah, you have to, you have to, you must

30:06 load up with women and minorities in the banks. So the Bank of America was taken over by women years ago. What do you mean? No, it's like they put a bunch of women executives, the whole place is crawling with women. It's just a bank of women. Really? It's called the Women's Bank. The Chick Bank. Seriously, it started some years ago. It's like everybody, all the officers, all the tellers, everybody, you go to a Bank of America, it's all women. Chick Bank. Chick bank, it's a total chick bank. I hate that bank by the way. Yeah me too. It blows It totally blows is one of the worst banks our bank is great mechanic our bank is yep mechanics bank mechanics bank It's a little bank. You can buy shares in mechanics bank really $8,000 a share how much it's like $13,000 okay? Well miss one of those they don't really want to trade the stock Maybe next year are they public?

31:00 Yeah, I looked it up. There's a public component and it's like some sort of preferred share. They've been as high as $18,000 and then they dropped down to like $11,000 during the crash and then they're back up to like $13,500. It's probably a buying opportunity if you got $13,000 to buy one share. Yeah. Well, I don't know about it. Now that Bernanke runs our lives, runs everything. You watch what happens. The economy is now he's going to totally crash it. Well these guys, luckily this bank and some other small banks like them have stuck to their guns and they've remained a real bank. They didn't do a bunch of crazy loans, they didn't take any TARP money. In fact they have little... Yeah, little clippings. Clipping on the... at the... what do you call it? The tellers. Some of the tellers have got clippings. We refuse to take TARP money. It's an old-fashioned bank and I thought it was privately held but I think there's some sort of shares out there.

31:55 There's a interesting little clip of Congressman Ron Paul, which is in the show notes where he explains how we're really at a 22% unemployment rate. That's what yeah, I think that's probably true. You want to hear his quick explanation? Yeah, he actually goes into detail. Welcome, Dr. Brummer. By the way, this is when he's talking to to Christie Christie Romer in the Senate or in the house I'm not very good at the partisan blame game, but I am very interested in the business cycle and why we have unemployment and And actually I'm interested in the measurement of our problems. I think sometimes we deceive ourselves because... I like by the way that he also says measurement, which is kind of our way of saying it. Measurement. It's nice. Measurement. Following some free market websites that measure unemployment somewhat differently than our government, they come up with a figure of 22% of unemployment.

32:50 And also, even the way the Bureau of Labor Statistics measure it, if they look at all the people who are not looking for work at the moment, that is 16%. So things are not very good. Also, the GDP is what we measure. If the GDP is going up, everybody's supposed to feel good. But you know if we spend a billion dollars on a missile and we blow it up that's kind of this increase in the GDP And it didn't give us a house and didn't give us a health care. That's funny if we blow them a million dollar missile up and it actually increases the GDP. Yeah It's like we did good. We increased, wait a minute, light the fuse. Let's watch the GDP go up. Cheaper, more expensive bullets. Here are education, so there's a big difference. And also the inflation rate is very important. If you go back and use the old CPI measurement of inflation, we have 6% not 2%. You know, this guy, he's an award-winning economist actually. Did you know that?

33:46 No, but I'd like his numbers because it makes a lot more sense to me than what I'm hearing. Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a long clip, but it's something you should take a look at it'll be at no on no agenda show tv.com And of course linked in the show notes at no agenda show calm, but yeah, I think his numbers are much closer to reality So with 22% like three more clicks and we're on par with the Great Depression, right? Yeah. Well, we're we're actually on par considering the Great Depression began With the crash of 29 we started a year earlier and then which is not uncommon historically and you know you can start to always say but then the

34:27 uh... it took uh... three years before the great depression actually began it didn't like it wasn't a crash of twenty nine and boom you're in a great depression thirty two right wasn't thirty three thirty three hit rock bottom and so uh... so we if it if it's going to go on that schedule then we're either going to hit rock bottom in twenty twelve or twenty thirteen and then uh... then you get done then we can start talking well it's going to be perfectly time for uh... barack obama to get ousted or worse and Hillary Clinton to come sailing right in. She's all over the news now. Now she's doing profile pieces, personal pieces. She has new hairdo too. Have you noticed the new hairdo she's got? Oh no, I have not seen the new hairdo. Oh, let me send you this. Send me a link. Actually, you have to see it because they make a comparison. Here it is. I'm just Skyping it to you. Well, I mean, she did change her hair when she used to wear that crazy band across her head. Yeah, well, no, no, no. Take a look at her now because she looks exactly like

35:24 George Washington Going for it. He is totally going for us like hey, you know what? It's my turn at bat. I'm gonna look like our father She does look like George Washington telling you she's got it completely down She's got the whole hairdo with the flip ups down there at the bottom and she's doing she's completely profiling herself So as you know as I've kind of predicted She'll resign as Secretary of State and she'll run in 2012. Barack Obama has done his job. He only has one thing left to do and that's cap and trade. That's the only thing left and he's predicting he's going to get that done in a couple weeks as well. And then, oh yeah, there's this, he's, God man, his

36:07 his weekly address which I don't want to play it for you but all he's doing is in fact he came out on the Rose Garden I think it's like the Republicans and Republicans they don't want you to have any they don't want you to have any employment benefits and you know they're they're they're using parliamentary tricks to stop the vote and and I And I don't even know what's true anymore. I really don't. No one's really reporting anything in depth on what's going on with that. And there's a ton of people who... We have the other nothing to see here element of the week, which is the revelation. Because apparently some closed journalistic chat room where all the

36:50 the democrat journalists apparently were hanging out during the uh... the two thousand eight election somebody blew out all their their chats and this is big like did not all of you listen right we'll talk show during the day now the other thing is reading the transcripts of various people are really and yes all the same thing i we can let that happen obama's a dead you know jeremiah writing has to be suppressed we had to stop really i've never seen this all interesting oh yeah this is where this is the news all week i mean this this supplanted the other story uh... Yeah, they say dog does it if somebody says the Jeremiah right thing coma racist that'll shut him up So it's the Ministry of Truth chatroom. Yeah, the ministry of truth chat room. It's actually quite. That's great kind of interesting It's not you know, I don't think it's as interesting as these guys think it is but it's just a bunch of guys gas and you know, but yeah, it shows you we already know that there are a bunch of Democrats that run the

37:47 Media and let me go kill this phone call while you bring up the next point Yeah, the point I was gonna bring up is I was watching I was flipping through the channels actually and I think we were watching the Big Bang Theory for some reason and you know, I rarely watch it network television and the Big Bang Theory is produced by Chuck Lorre productions and That's L-O-R-R-E. And I think the show before it, which may have been, it may have been Two and a Half Men, I don't know. And so the credits roll, and then there's like this slide, which is up for half a second, and it's filled with words! What?! Yeah, and I'm like, whoa! Did you catch this? Yes, yes. So I froze it. In fact, I'm gonna Skype this to you, because I want you to see it.

38:34 but i was like well that's a sublet that's something subliminal and you can't really do that one mississippi to mississippi that long no way shorter than that it was like one mississippi you know how sometimes in the in the here accept the file in the uh in the end credits you know the you'll have like fox 21 you'll have you know all these different yeah but sometimes at the end of a show and they're doing their short time they'll roll past these credits really fast it was just a flash And let me read this to the listeners. Chuck Lorre Productions number 240 it says, a wise man once told me that we are all God in drag. Wait a minute, I'm looking at this, you're kidding me. Let me read it. I like that. Sometimes when I'm in a public place or sitting at a stoplight, I'll watch people walking by and I'll silently say to myself, he's God, she's God, he's God, she's God. Before long I always find myself feeling a warm sense of affinity for these strangers.

39:26 The experience is even more powerful when I do this while observing a person who is clearly suffering. On occasion, I'll test my little spiritual practice by turning on Fox News. Within minutes, I become an atheist. Like what the hell is this? This is on... this... you win this week's award for catch of the day. And this was on... You got the big fish. This is on KCBS. You were watching this crappy show and you caught this? Well yeah, and I was like, whoa, what is that? Wait a minute, you were watching the Big Bang Theory? People gave me crap for watching Bonnie Hunt. I told you I was skipping through. Christina's here, you know, and she's like, oh, I like the Big Bang Theory, so we watch it.

40:05 And you can see it's almost over, right? 930 and so I just frame it back a little bit and I'm like holy crap! And I missed the one before because watching on the other TV of course the one that doesn't have the DVR. But this is number 240, he must be flipping these up all the time. What? Well, hold on a second. There's got to be some reference. If this is number 240 and they've been flipping it all the time, there is a database of these things on the internet. On the internet? Let's see. I'm gonna do Chuck. Chuck Lorre. 240. Yeah, that'll do it. Vanity card. Oh, here's 279. Oh my god! Oh my god! So everybody knew about this but us. Vanity cards. If you look at vanity cards... No, no, go to chucklorre.com. He has them all on his site. Yeah, there they are.

40:56 My god, so they're all there's some gems in here over the years CBS executives have always been very generous when it comes to sharing the idea their ideas as to how I might better do my job blah blah blah final thought if you adopt my idea my Consulting fee is 1 million shares of CBS stock or better yet 100 shares of Apple stock. What is this? Chuck Lorre productions number 195 a very terse one United we stand oh my gosh But he just flashes... Here we go, here we go. Chuck Lorre Productions number 182. This is the first one on the list on his page. And there must be earlier ones. But back when I was writing and producing Dharma and Greg, the only way to read my cards was to record each episode on a VCR and hit the pause button. This was not an easy task. The image wobbled like crazy, making tiny words of my weekly tome. It's very hard to see. He's been doing this for years. Then it hit me. It was about building a device that records video images digitally. Wouldn't this allow blah... and then he just goes on.

41:54 I'm not going to read the whole thing. But that whole thing about watching Fox and then I became an atheist, this is weird. Here, 210, change your mailing address and briefly reconsider drugs, alcohol, food, sex, and TV. Whatever. But it's subliminal, it's illegal by the way. You can't do this. I believe it is illegal. Maybe that law has been changed and nobody wants to enforce it. You can't do that. Well, anyway, I just thought it was interesting and now I'm gonna have to go look through all 300 of them to see what other stuff he's popping into the kids brains

42:34 Do you had none of it good? I'm gonna give him a little Totally did it again again a double doucher It's rare, but it happens all right from the to the head files three very disturbing reports journalist Socrates Gaiolias gunned down in Greece Greek investigative journalist has been shot dead outside his home in Athens terrible I don't know if he was a real truth writer though But he but apparently he was about to report on corruption Yeah, all you got to do is hold your pencil in the air in Greece and you find that then This one got no ink as far as I can tell Tennessee election official

43:28 from Monroe County, James R. Brown, found dead in the trunk of a burning car. That's suspicious. Yeah, an election official, you'd think. So that was like, wow. Madisonville. So the car was Yeah, the car was a blaze, a brand new car. Suicide? Yeah, he locked himself in the trunk and lit it on fire. Yeah, exactly. Let me see if they say an apparent suicide. That's always funny when they put that in the report. No, no they're not. But notice they don't say, dude, the guy was killed. No foul play suspected? No, don't even say that. However, the most interesting one

44:17 And apologies to anyone who's related to the Stanford climatologist and Nobel Peace Prize winner, Stephen Schneider, who was one of the driving forces behind the IPCC4 report and shared the 2007 Nobel Prize with former Vice President Al Gore, died of an apparent, it even says, an apparent heart attack while on a flight from Stockholm to London. and you and I were going back on email about this and to me it makes total sense I have to call this out as a total two to the head measure because we've gotten rid of this whole thing it didn't work

45:02 Right? And we have to start all over again. Luckily, we've got BP seeping oil and the whole Gulf Coast is ruined. So that's more than enough reason to get off of oil, certainly our dependence upon foreign oil. We got Al Gore out of the way by branding him as a sex-crazed poodle, and so he's off to the sideline. And now they're ramping up as we talked about on the last show on Sunday, they're ramping up to write the IPCC 5 report and I think they need to get this guy out of the way. And at the same time make him a martyr to the cause. A martyr to the cause, beautiful. So they can say, hey, let's do it for, what's his name, Stephen? Yeah, Stephen Snyder. Yeah, let's do it for Stephen. We really, Global Warming is Stephen, this, you know, we'd like to have a minute, two minutes of silence for Stephen. And then let's get this done for Stephen. For Stephen, right.

46:05 Is there any mention of a... Did he have a bad history? Was he sick? Heart problems? No, probably not. No, just happened. Just these things happen. That's sad, man. It's really sad. You know, it just makes you not want to work for the government. It's certainly not for the United Nations because you know you fall off of stairwells. Yeah, we forget about this You know one of these well we have I'm working on an evergreen show for people out there for some emergency But one of these days We should if we can get all these the crazy story about the guy falling down the stairwell one. It's like three or four Yeah, there's a bunch of these guys. They're whoops whoops. Whoa there he goes Throwback

46:52 We got a note from a No Agenda Minute man, Matt. In the morning guys, I just got back from my parents' place where my dad told me a story that my uncle had told him last Saturday and it blew me away. Particularly, it blew us away because you and I both received this email. His uncle apparently went to a Minnesota Twins game in April and he struck up a conversation with the man sitting next to him and Matt's uncle said, well what do you do for a living? uh... turns out the guys retired jag officer for washington dc he was in town for an anti-terrorism conference in the twin cities perfect catch a game wire uh... fighting terrorists and now works for a law firm in dc nothing but retired jacks what is jack stand for uh... does it is a a some magic in general edged jurist uh... jury is something to do with the uh... it's about the season

47:45 I don't know. Okay, I think it's a legal arm of our armed forces. Let me, I'll tell you what, I have a thought. Let's Google it. Why don't you ask the CIA? I mean Google. So this firm that the guy works for specializes... Judge Advocate General Corp. The firm specializes in anti-terrorism and intelligence. So his uncle said, you know, hey, well, since you would know, what's the next big terrorist attack going to be? And the guy gave him the answer. And this, for those of you who've been listening to this show. We'll recognize this story and you'll be blown away. Yes, because we dreamed it up long ago. Yeah. Basically, I'm just reading verbatim. Basically what the guy had to say was this, we know that about 5% of American women have breast implants. We know this from scanners at airports. We can see that they have implants but can't tell what's inside them. It could be silicone or C4. We have no way of telling. Well, I think C4 is a little harder to the touch.

48:45 We think that a terrorist group will recruit a Somali woman from a Midwest state, and I think he said either Minnesota, Wisconsin or Michigan. They will bring her over to Somalia to have a mastectomy and put fake breasts filled with C4 on her instead. From there she'll board a Delta flight back to Amsterdam, then back to the US. During the flight, she'll stick a detonator in her breasts and blow up the plane. I would do it. So this was on the 16th of April is when this conversation took place and the guy actually mentioned Delta by name apparently they have a flight from Somalia non-stop to Amsterdam then non-stop to the US. Delta by the way is being targeted I think it's going to be

49:39 uh... i think i think you have dealt a frequent flyer miles of course you might get on the wrong plane but if you do have these miles i would use them uh... yes something is up with delta So but now of course we had this story and and we laughed it off because it was reported somewhere That there would be exploding boobies and now all of a sudden and I have no reason to doubt this email I have no reason to doubt minute man Matt's uncle that he actually had this conversation. Yeah, there would you can tell Yeah, I mean, I'm sure this is... I mean, that's why we get a creative person that can dream something up, and at least it's entertaining. But this does sound reasonable. I think there's a fly in the ointment, as it were, with this concept. Well, it does come right along the heels, and this is something that I actually forgot to mention, although it's been making the rounds for almost two weeks now, that... what's his name? Shapiro, who used to be in the Clinton administration. Robert Shapiro.

50:41 He was in, he was- Sure that's the right name, that guy's the- Rob Shapiro. Yeah, Rob Shapiro. Is that not the same Rob Shapiro that does the law website and used to be OJ Simpson's lawyer? No, he worked with Clinton. I don't think it's the same one. Alright, go on. Sorry. So he was in a Washington Financial Times article. Financial Times I think is pretty good with reporting. They don't seem to have any real agenda. And near the end of this, it was basically about Obama and his approval rating. And here's the credit.

51:20 The bottom line here is that Americans don't believe in President Obama's leadership, says Rob Shapiro, another former Clinton official and a supporter of Mr. Obama. He has to find some way between now and November of demonstrating that he is a leader who can command confidence and, short of a 9-11 event or an Oklahoma City bombing, I can't think of how he could do that. That's kind of weird. Yeah, it's like saying, hey, there's a false flag coming up. That's like telegraphing it almost. Yeah, which you would do if you were in the Clinton camp.

51:57 So to keep him from doing, in other words, you say, well, you know, the only thing is he's going to have to blow up this building over here in the next two weeks to get away with anything. And you mean, well, now he can't blow up the building because you've pointed it out. And because, you know, maybe this guy's part of the whole agenda to get Hillary elected in 2012. Voila. Here's what I'm thinking. I think I predicted this on the show already. I'm going to predict it again because I can't really remember from one week to the next. which is not don't say yeah and like you're any better say the least anyway and you're like you know anyway so the point I think that I think Obama is not going to run for a second term

52:38 he's gonna point at his family, he's gonna say, look, I got two daughters who are now becoming teenagers and I'm gonna miss out on everything, it's gonna ruin their lives and I think I've done what I had to do, I did the job and I think we should give the job over to this woman. By the way, if Obama does bail out because the way the business cycle is, he'd be bailing out at the point where things would be so crappy and wouldn't really come back into any you we have no quality uh... economy for told twenty i think a couple things have to happen first here's here's what i see unfolding and i and i'm on board with you and you you actually started with the whole clinton uh... obama bashing by and i think you're right so now that the uh... ben bernanke has basically the switch uh... at his uh... right under his thumb

53:31 I believe that the economy, now the implosion of the economy starts and there's a number of reasons why that benefits him and his banking buddies. And it's going to be blamed by Obama on the Republicans because you don't really have a full-blown depression until everyone is in bread lines and you'll be in a bread line because this legislation for the extension of unemployment insurance benefits is not going to get through the House. It's going to be blocked and so people are going to start starving for real. For real. How long have these employment benefits been extended? 18 months already by now?

54:12 So there's a lot longer probably so people are going to be starving and when you see the lines and you see the soup kitchen you see the bread lines and then of course Bernanke flips the switch and then it's all going to come crashing down and then Obama's you know after he will of course wing cap and trade through I think is a real possibility he can get that done and then he'll then he'll get on that bag bandwagon what you said is you know what I've done everything But look at my past health care. That's the main thing look at my gray hair and he's gonna take over and by the way doesn't she look great with her new hairdo yeah, she looks like she should be on an oatmeal box She might be in the future you never know a hundred years from now so

55:01 Yeah, unfortunately it really seems like that is unfolding and it's it's crazy I was thinking about this under the shower John I thought of you in the shower. Oh, thanks for yeah great by itself is kind of I Was thinking about how much closer you've come to my thinking in the past two years. No, yeah, maybe you're just more vocal about it. No, your main thing, you're just thinking a little bit outside the box politically, but you're, the kind of thinking I don't come close to, which is the flying saucers, these idiots, the greats. Damn trails. Damn trails is part of the whole thing. I mean, I don't go that far, but I do, I've never not thought that there's a lot of intrigue

55:48 at these levels but uh... and then again a curse of an economic cycle we have to deal with and the fact of the matter is obama's not looking good he's not taking the bull by the horns is not showing leadership is not saying the buck stops here they fired that poor woman surely you know for no good reason when they could have made hay with that but you know they jumped to conclusions that this is kind of frightening by the way excuse me the message of jumping to conclusions over this Shirley thing is subconsciously sending a terrible message to the public that, oh my god, if this guy sees one missile, test missile from Russia, he's gonna push the button. This is not what you want as the president. I think I had another Obama bashing story. Let me see, I've actually made a subheading in the show notes. Oh, uh...

56:40 By the way, you can bash Obama a little bit more in the office and other places in public where... Oh, you can do it now? Yeah, now you can do it. You can do it. I know. They don't say anything. They're very sheepish. I know. Our national treasure... I might as well do that one too. Our national treasure... Actually had a great report and they were talking this weekend edition Saturday, headlined Obama's Very Good Week. I guess they didn't get the memo it's time to bash the guy. Let's see who they're sponsored by. Hold on. It's always fun to listen to who NPR is sponsored by. I don't want to listen to the story. You can listen to it yourself in the show notes, but since I have the audio file here, I might as well listen. It's coming directly from their NPR media player. Let's see.

57:29 Support for NPR comes from the Cedars-Sinai Center for Minimally Invasive Gynecological Surgery, offering fertility-sparing fibroid surgery. Learn more at 1-800-CEDARS-1. Yeah, that's a life-threatening disease. That's right. If you can't have a baby. That's a commercial. It's a total commercial. They have a bunch of commercials now, including the ones for, you know, LifeLock and whatever. And Carbonite. So there is a Carbonite. Here's our code. It's NPR. so i got a couple could select a mission still gonna stay on this uh... also well now i was thinking maybe we have thanks and people for their support uh... since we are we have to do we have already up there and of course we don't we don't have cedar sinai uh... it's a little money for for for birthing clinics people give us some money and that's that helps insert john smith of alpharetta georgia gave us a hundred bucks this weekend as much as he looks forward to and would love to get a night's ring it doesn't want any of the effort to

58:30 making it to cut into John's C-Span time because we all know that if you don't watch C-Span well I'd have to. And William Hyatt of Springdale, Arkansas gave us a hundred bucks and he has a note that he sent us which I now have to go find. And we'll read it at the end of the birthday thing. William Hyatt? Springdale. Okay, no, I don't I don't have his note. I've got it. I'll go find it Peter. Oh, I know I have his note right here. Oh, it's actually a great a great note

57:29 Support for NPR comes from the Cedars-Sinai Center for Minimally Invasive Gynecological Surgery, offering fertility-sparing fibroid surgery. Learn more at 1-800-CEDARS-1. Yeah, that's a life-threatening disease. That's right. If you can't have a baby. That's a commercial. It's a total commercial. They have a bunch of commercials now, including the ones for, you know, LifeLock and whatever. And Carbonite. So there is a Carbonite. Here's our code. It's NPR. so i got a couple could select a mission still gonna stay on this uh... also well now i was thinking maybe we have thanks and people for their support uh... since we are we have to do we have already up there and of course we don't we don't have cedar sinai uh... it's a little money for for for birthing clinics people give us some money and that's that helps insert john smith of alpharetta georgia gave us a hundred bucks this weekend as much as he looks forward to and would love to get a night's ring it doesn't want any of the effort to

58:30 making it to cut into John's C-Span time because we all know that if you don't watch C-Span well I'd have to. And William Hyatt of Springdale, Arkansas gave us a hundred bucks and he has a note that he sent us which I now have to go find. And we'll read it at the end of the birthday thing. William Hyatt? Springdale. Okay, no, I don't I don't have his note. I've got it. I'll go find it Peter. Oh, I know I have his note right here. Oh, it's actually a great a great note

59:10 He donated $110.20, that's 55 double nickels on the dime times two for my wife and I. So no man could call me a douchebag for not donating. In fact, I think you get de-douche for that. You've been de-douched. And he had a really interesting... I love it when the bass... How come it only shows up as 100 bucks on the spreadsheet? It should be 110. Well, PayPal takes the money. No, no, this is pre-PayPal money. Well, this is William Hyatt's email. He said he had to go back and donate again because of this amazing karma story and has some magic numbers in it, which was great. He may have another smaller donation. Okay, so he went for a job interview and he felt he did pretty good, found out while on the interview it wasn't quite the job he hoped for. He didn't get the job but a good friend of his did and it was a much better fit for this particular position. This was his first time when he was donating for karma. At the time he emailed us and said, hey the karma had failed.

1:00:08 He says, I wasn't too bummed out about it because I didn't get it and of course his buddy got it, but he didn't understand how the karma could fail. It's impossible. Karma doesn't fail. It didn't he says and here's how it did not fail a couple months later my wife and I were on vacation New Orleans I got a call from one of my co-workers that a person had vacated a position doing exactly what I wanted to do I waited patiently for them to post the job on the web once they did I called my boss to make sure he'd be okay with me applying for this promotion I guess within the same company he gave me his blessing I applied they called me for an interview everything just seemed to go so smoothly I left home to drive the five hours to the site where I'd be interviewing the night before the interview and

1:00:43 I stopped about an hour and a half out due to an upset stomach from the nervous feeling that I got that everyone gets when they have a big interview. I picked up a soda and some Imodium at the gas station and the total came to $3.33. Well, it gets better. I called my wife and told her the price. She said, that's a good sign. I then went to the hotel I was staying in for the night before the interview and I was assigned to room 333. Another odd coincidence. I went in for the interview in the morning and knocked it out of the park. They were really impressed with me, said they'd be in touch. I've worked with these guys for a number of years now. I know them pretty well. I have a great feeling about it. Traveled back home, kept working. A week passed. I hadn't heard anything. Then two weeks, then three weeks, and yesterday the HR, human resources, called me and extended an offer.

1:01:34 By three weeks in three days he'll be oh, yeah, it'll be a data network engineer for a major residential commercial ISP video services company Karma not only got me the job. I wanted it also kept me from getting the job I really was not fit for even though I felt a strong desire to do it So here's another hundred dollars just to shore up the good luck Yay, yay, yay. Now, and we have no proof about this karma, but it does seem pretty coincidental. Yeah, that was a good story. It happens a lot? One of the best stories yet, and hopefully it gets posted on our karma site. Peter Morris Elmhurst, New York and $94. He's donating what he made off selling his iPhone 3G online decided to donate it all to the show. He made 94 bucks. That's it. I figured I'd do more than just my five bucks subscription. I also need karma for at least one of the following to happen. So he's got like a karma list.

1:02:25 I'm looking for a better job, A. Two, my girlfriend is looking for a better job. Three, I am learning Objective C in hopes to build my own iPhone app. That's a good idea. I was inspired by the Big App Show. Thanks to Adam for an amazing app. I would recommend looking at... I keep up the good work and I hope my little contribution monthly in this money helps out. Thanks for inspiring me to be more informed and be a better citizen which is of course what we do. Yes, and I would recommend looking at tap links if you're building an app. It's a good framework. Tap links Todd Simmons or Sir Todd as we call him eight mile plains Queensland 6954 Sir Todd here I wish it was more towards my triple knighthood but at last taxes screwing me my girlfriend owed me $80 and this is what the exchange has given our this is what the exchange has given our cost to NA bad sentence

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1:06:21 Okay. Alright. Well, we got a double shot from Chasen Rodzilski, who of course is an executive producer on today's episode of No Agenda for episode 219er. He wants to, I guess, wish himself a happy birthday. He turned 20 on July 22nd. And he wishes a very happy birthday to Shane Rudzilski, whose birthday was on July 18th. And then David C. Pugh turns 20. I don't know what his age is, but it's his birthday tomorrow. Happy birthday on behalf of John Adam, Eric DeShill, and all the No Agenda HQ folks.

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1:11:18 Done deal. Yeah done deal done deal. Oh, you know what for 300 grand. I'll eat dirt, okay Dirt no problem. Yeah, so as I can drink wine. I don't care Bill Hutchinson from a Canadian answered my question about that company that is seeding the clouds with silver iodide. Yeah. And of course I questioned, you know, silver iodide is listed by the EPA as a primary toxic chemical and if it's coming down in the form of hail then it's probably touching you and that may not be good. And he says, listen, the cloud seeding is paid for by the insurance companies to reduce insurance claims apparently from huge hail.

1:12:03 not by the government and treating people for ailments associated with their exposure to silver iodide is paid for by our government through our socialized medicine so we're all good. But yeah I also got a link to this weather modification Inc. oh my god John they're everywhere. If you look at their programs they have a map and so if you go to weathermodification.com The link in the show notes. Yeah, so I click on the United so they actually there in the United States Canada Argentina Mali, that's in Africa Morocco Spain where else are they active Greece Turkey Saudi Arabia, so all of the United States and I go to The projects for the United States. Oh my gosh Delaware Illinois

1:13:00 uh... nevada new mexico north dakota oklahoma the panhandle santa barbara uh... texas uh... arizona utah uh... wyoming just tons and tons of projects where they're putting silver iodide in the clouds i'm not i don't wanna say anything but spraying uh... and then no agenda t v dot com will of course uh... have that great Video that's been doing the rounds this week of a KC-10 tanker plane Apparently dumping fuel They had you know the planes do dump fuel once. This is not a fuel dump, and they've got nozzles Nozzles on the wings. It's a hoax. It's not a hoax. This isn't all right. Whatever. I don't want to argue with you It's a I have no empirical proof yet of chemtrailing, but wow this looks like it

1:13:57 So I ran a piece on the blog, by the way. which is up right now for people who happen to be live. But you can go back and look it up. The title is Snow Everywhere in South America. You know they rush, I was very suspicious when they rushed out that information last week or the week before. Oh, this is the hottest year on record. 2010 is the hottest year on record. Yeah, people are freezing to death in Argentina. And I'm thinking, why are they making this announcement? We're just halfway through the year and now they've already, what, they can tell what it's going to be by the first? They already know it's hottest on record, yeah. It's the hottest on record. So meanwhile, apparently there is the worst weather in history in South America that is just apparent. It's just like it's dumping tons of snow everywhere, places where it's never snowed before. I would read this article. It's quite interesting. It's a very

1:14:51 It's just interesting. I've never seen, I mean it is by the way, it is winter in South America so that's kind of a plus but generally speaking you don't get a lot of snow in the equator or even in Brazil or Argentina under any circumstances. People are freezing to death there. Yeah 80 people are dead so far from you know the weather. It's like the guy's up to his shoulders in snow. I will mention that Weather modification Inc. has quite a hail damage mitigation program going on in Argentina. Do they? Yeah. Well, maybe they're the responsible party. But whatever the case is, it seems odd. The province of Mendoza Ministry of Economy commissioned them. Yes, it seems odd and it seems even odder that climatologists would say hottest... I mean forget Argentina, hottest year on record, we're only halfway through.

1:15:43 We're barely halfway through. I got the sense that they were rushing this out for some reason and I just, when I got this story I said well maybe this is the reason they don't want to get these numbers in there because it's going to screw up everything. So the story that infuriated me the most, and I'd just love to hear some of your clips John, because you've got a couple that we haven't dealt with yet, is this story, and usually when I talk about this it's about elitists in Europe and they're tied into European justice systems. Well, guess what folks? The pedo bear strikes again, this time in our very own United States of Gitmo. Hedge fund mogul Jeffrey Epstein

1:16:22 free man today five years just five years after we was first accused of sexually abusing underage girls and this is Unbelievable when you read this story this guy who by the way had his friends all the time on his plane flying around the country his play his friends such as Well, let's see Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew of Gitmo East, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, dude looks like a pedo bear. Just a few of the prominent passengers on his many private jets. This guy literally had like a system. Pulling 12 year old girls off of beaches in Palm Beach. He was trafficking them.

1:17:15 Flying them on his planes from in and out of the country which actually you know if you have Yugoslavian girls coming in that's like that's a whole nother offense and The judge just well, it's five years just go sit there and make some pasta in your cell Oh, do you know Bernie Bernie Madoff here? Let me introduce you to him the guy got off with five years and if this article which is written by Daily Beast is so frightening. Have you seen this article John? No, I was looking at the channel 12 CBS 12.com site. Oh my goodness Palm Beach police identified 17 local girls who had contact with Epstein before the age of consent The youngest was 14 many younger than 16 just and that was just one of his many homes around the world He owns property in New York Santa Fe Paris London the Caribbean

1:18:08 And also one of these fantastic modeling agencies was involved. No. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah That's that's you know that douchebag who runs fashion TV. Have you looked into that guy? I never get fashion TV. Oh, yeah I think you do on the satellite fashion TV. It's basically a camcorder of Fashion shows and and parties mainly parties and it's not on credit you do sure that's not running on current It would make sense but in mind Right. Yeah, that guy's a total douchebag and he's been indicted several times I don't know if they actually ever caught him but he was also involved with these modeling agencies and basically the douchebag just has a TV channel to get young girls onto his yacht. Sickening, sickening. But the tie-in with with all these other elitist dickheads and and the justice system and how the

1:19:04 And how he got off so incredibly lightly is just sickening. Well if you got that kind of money you can get a short sentence for that kind of thing because it just shows that people within the justice system are compromised because they're a part of it. They're a part of it. No, you should look into the judge. Screw that. These are the guys I'm actually afraid of. But I'm not afraid of it. It's the pedo bearer I'm afraid of. I have nightmares about the pedo bearer. He's coming to get me. It's just disgusting and they get off no problem literally. Yeah, meanwhile some kids smoke dope in Oakland. He's in jail for 20 years. Exactly.

1:19:45 And by the way, since we're on that topic, I do have a clip that's a little propaganda. It's not a new show, but I did catch it the other day, the Family Guy's pro-marijuana episode. Oh, really? Cool. Where they actually have a song and they do the whole thing. Oh, good! You can play it and you can get a feeling of where they're coming from on that show. I can't believe they threw me in jail for a quarter ounce of pot. Well, Brian, it's your own fault. I mean, pot is illegal for a reason. Lois, don't be a hypocrite. You've smoked pot. Well, sure, Brian, but I'm thinking about the children.

1:20:21 Pot's illegal mainly to protect them. No, no, pot is illegal because William Randolph Hearst ran a smear campaign against marijuana in the 1930s to protect his interests in the timber industry because hemp was poised to replace wood as an inexpensive raw material for the manufacture of paper. There's a smear campaign right there Brian Mom's right drugs are bad Brian. I mean haven't you seen those commercials. It's funny Do you know that reefer madness ran on Showtime the other day? It's a remastered yeah, they've made it from so they make so you can actually watch it without going my eyes

1:20:58 I made Mickey and Christina watch it. They were like, holy crap, this is so dumb. Yeah, well, you know what's dumb about it? That movie is interesting to me sociologically for a number of reasons. And the main one is any kid, I don't know anyone who's ever saw the movie when they were a kid, but if any kid would have seen that movie, especially a teenage boy, they'd be heading to the first pot party they could find. All it showed was these women, they'd take one drop and they were screwing everybody in the place. But I love the crazy piano player in that. The piano player wasn't mean yet. So a related story from the Wall Street Journal cropped up this week. Northern California's so-called Emerald Triangle, famous for marijuana farms that supply much of the U.S. with high quality pot. I don't know if that's true. Where was this again? Wall Street Journal. No, I mean where was the triangle?

1:21:46 Northern California. Oh that Mendocino thing, yeah. Yeah, that is probably some of the best in the world. Well, it's facing competition according to the Wall Street Journal from hundreds of miles away in Los Angeles County. Oh yes, as this year's marijuana harvest season gets underway, law enforcement officials are focused on the Southern California County which by some measures has bloomed into the nation's most productive pot garden. Yeah, is it really outside pot or is it because these guys growing these plants by the dozens in their houses? Using you know using artificial light you're not gonna get the quality. Well the picture they show is of a couple of Sheriffs like tomatoes you can't grow good hot house tomato. No you got to grow it outside You got to cover it with fish emulsion. That's what really works well. Oh god. Oh my days is a pothead a related story insider from one of our producers who wishes to remain anonymous and

1:22:39 Recently talked to a friend who came back from Afghanistan a couple of months ago. He said that his squad was guarding a poppy field for a few weeks and he couldn't understand why he was guarding it and from whom. Well, of course, John, you and I know why because that's one of the reasons we're over there is for the for the the heroin production so that we can Whitewash that money into our banking system. He assumed it was for insurgents But as soon as an embedded CNN crew came to the farm He thought it was funny that they were given orders to burn all the crops just in time for the CNN cameras It's like they were guarding it the whole time and then

1:23:20 Just waiting for the cameras to capture the evidence of it burning. He thinks that if the cameras never came by they would not have burned the crops. Duh. So yeah, this is the kind of thing that really annoys me that it's like I have this little logo I use on the blog say which says why ask yourself why you're reading this on a blog. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, and it's like just like these stories are like It's almost, it's so obvious and I think most of our listeners are, you catch this stuff now but generally speaking people don't think like this. No, of course not. I mean, I try it from time to time. I've gotten really good at holding back and we've had a lot of social situations recently, parties and stuff and Miki has really taught me that, you know, dude, easy on the get-mo shit because, you know, it makes me look bad.

1:24:12 But then from time to time I'll just slip it in. Well, you know, we're kind of guarding the poppies up there and it will like crickets, you know, no one no one even hears it. They're like, well, whatever. They're not hearing it. So no, most people don't think like that. But ever since I was given the information about the satellite company who live the satellite company in Guilford when I was living in Gitmo Nation East and The guy actually said look here's all of the camps because the satellites track the camps and here's all the poppy fields as you can see the camps are set up all around the poppy fields because we're guarding them and that's that's yeah

1:24:48 So one other thing... By the way, the number is, it came out on a 60-minute show where they were talking about everything but what we talk about. It's 9,000 tons. 9,000 tons of processed opium. Purse per harvest so is that one was that 18 2000 times 9000 that's how many pounds That's in the billions isn't it. It's a lot Makes my head hurt now sound of is a billion or not, but it's a lot. It's a thousand math. Okay. Let me get my pen I should be able to do in my head, but it's too late today. Okay, so nine thousand times two thousand two thousand is

1:25:31 And just count the zeros. One, two, three. Eighteen and one, two. Eighteen million pounds. Eighteen million pounds of raw opium. Yeah. That's a lot of high. That's a lot. That's a lot of high. Now here's what got me. I have a clip from 60 Minutes. This is where I got that number. And the number could be low. But it probably is as a matter of fact. So I got this, they were floating around, one of the 60 Minutes guys floating around Afghanistan and I ran into two clips that were interesting to me. One is called Taliban Redefined.

1:26:09 We used to know who the Taliban were and what they did and how they operated, but now they're trying to redefine them. Well, they have links to Al-Qaeda regardless, John. Yeah, they're now a kind of a nebulous thing. You know, they're the ones, by the way, when they were running the country, they're the ones who took the opium out of production. Yeah, no, they killed it. They completely... it was down and was gone. I mean, you know, they blew up some other shit and they were unfriendly towards women, but yeah, they stopped the heroin production. They stopped it. Exactly. Well, play the clip, Taliban Redefined. But the enemy isn't one force. Taliban is a catch-all for a collection of tribes and warlords. Some are religious extremists, some are drug traffickers, and in Gulf Companies area, many are locals fighting for money.

1:26:59 Golf company set up in Koshte, a village in Helmand province near Pakistan. It's a strange twist of history that golf company's area used to be called Little America. In the 1950s, a massive US foreign aid project dug the canals that now feed half of the world's heroin poppies and shoulder-high marijuana. We own it! We own it! Both crime sources. These irrigation ditches that are now used to feed the poppy fields and they don't make the connection that we may have had something to do with the whole deal. What news, what fine outlet is this from? This is 60 Minutes, you know, the great journalistic show that can't add two and two. That's the channel that runs those Chuck Lorre things. Well, if you want to hear what they do, first you get this crap

1:28:01 peace on on the uh... taliban redefine where now they're jenny buddy which makes no sense at all i'd get one more taliban clip to play for the one of my address of this or uh... dot that that's fine i think that's the highlight of the ok yet that that digging the canal so but i think i think a larry is taliban spy this one i want to set up jennifer much of this one either but they have this guy they say well right there having a big meeting in the generals in their talking to the local leaders in the leaders of bitching and moaning the americans are doing enough and you bring more and more and more canals with water and so then they say and then a guy from a nearby village who comes in with a note that he found that was written supposedly by the taliban that was nailed to a mosque that he coincidentally found and if you've seen enough pictures of the taliban

1:28:50 and how they present themselves he's a Taliban business card doesn't he but he's presenting himself as just some schmuck spy on this meeting and the way they play it because stupid that they play well here's his local guy he found his nasty note and it's like what are these guys with each did it this is the dumbest bunch of reporters I've ever seen in my life here we go on the people here want this they want a better way of life yes it's difficult and yes it's challenging it's challenging because 70 percent of Afghans are illiterate and 80 percent have no electricity one Marine said it's like fighting in the Bible

1:29:34 In golf companies area skepticism is worn into the faces that confront the company commander Captain Matt Martin. The US sees the new strategy as a fresh start. Afghans see it as the start of the ninth year that the Taliban haven't been defeated. If the men in your village are working with the Taliban, all I can tell you is to tell them to stop now. Every Wednesday, Captain Martin holds a village council called Ashura. This is what his Marines died for, the chance to win the people. He's interested in putting a clinic here in Koshte. Martin offers government aid projects, but it's a tough sell. They want to talk about security. This man said, don't say we're giving refuge to the Taliban. When you leave, they'll attack us. I'm not powerful enough to resist the Taliban. You're not accepting my point of view. We become victims between you and the Taliban.

1:30:31 This man worried that the US force is too small. You can't hide the Sun with two fingers He says Jesus this voiceover is from late 1950. Yeah, this is horrible. That's our reporter. Oh my god Meanwhile the guy sitting there going back. Hey, you want my sister? No love money back. Who knows what he's saying? More? Yeah, no, you gotta get to the part where the Taliban spy comes in. The Taliban are everywhere. The next week, Golf Company was inviting a man named Yunus to the meeting. He pulled out a letter that the Taliban had nailed to the mosque, threatening anyone who met with the Americans. But the letter didn't keep him from the meeting, and Golf Company counted that as a win. Yunus said,

1:31:15 When we're assured of our security, we'll cooperate with the Afghan army. On one of our last days with Gulf, we saw how cooperation can save the lives of Marines. Using new and secret technology, the Marines destroyed an IED from long range while it was still being planted in the road. We went with Captain Zach Lehman on a patrol to investigate the site. But at the same time, a quarter mile away, a different patrol led by Lance Corporal Kicina was stopped by a terrified villager. Tell him to calm down. Tell him to calm down. The man said the Taliban was setting an ambush for Captain Lehman's patrol, headed to the IED strike.

1:31:58 We won't show his face. He risked his life to tip the Marines. He believes the Taliban are in the corn, set up an ambush position. Kiseno reported to base that layman's patrols... This is like, it's like Hurt Locker. It's the worst thing ever and if that fact is versus Taliban guy comes in with his bogus note and then the who is a Taliban guy you know and then you have this the secret weapon that blew up this one IED supposedly. I mean the whole thing is just a scam. Yeah, so meanwhile. I'm watching the show. I'm thinking gee this is terrible terrible reporting I mean, I'm not really learning anything, so there's a secret weapon now that can stop you know Some guys planning is it was a drone. You know they saw the guy planting the thing and they blew him up I mean I'll see what that is so meanwhile Charlie Rose And you know because the 60 minutes has become something of an outlet for Viacom and all those movies and all those other functions so

1:32:54 So they're interviewing, of course they have to do celebrity interviews, and Charlie Rose, he should just stay on the nation's treasure because he is creepy on this show. And I got two clips from him, and he's interviewing on this fabulous news show, Penelope Cruz, on a fluff piece where he's just complimenting her left and right so just play the Penelope Cruz fluff piece where he calls her Sophia Loren and he's preoccupied with Sophia Loren apparently. Yeah, well he's old. Hit it. At 36 Spanish actress Penelope Cruz is one of the most sensual and photographed women in the world. In fact I've got a picture of her above my bed. He's drooling, he's close to drooling while he's doing this. Oh boy, I love you.

1:31:58 We won't show his face. He risked his life to tip the Marines. He believes the Taliban are in the corn, set up an ambush position. Kiseno reported to base that layman's patrols... This is like, it's like Hurt Locker. It's the worst thing ever and if that fact is versus Taliban guy comes in with his bogus note and then the who is a Taliban guy you know and then you have this the secret weapon that blew up this one IED supposedly. I mean the whole thing is just a scam. Yeah, so meanwhile. I'm watching the show. I'm thinking gee this is terrible terrible reporting I mean, I'm not really learning anything, so there's a secret weapon now that can stop you know Some guys planning is it was a drone. You know they saw the guy planting the thing and they blew him up I mean I'll see what that is so meanwhile Charlie Rose And you know because the 60 minutes has become something of an outlet for Viacom and all those movies and all those other functions so

1:32:54 So they're interviewing, of course they have to do celebrity interviews, and Charlie Rose, he should just stay on the nation's treasure because he is creepy on this show. And I got two clips from him, and he's interviewing on this fabulous news show, Penelope Cruz, on a fluff piece where he's just complimenting her left and right so just play the Penelope Cruz fluff piece where he calls her Sophia Loren and he's preoccupied with Sophia Loren apparently. Yeah, well he's old. Hit it. At 36 Spanish actress Penelope Cruz is one of the most sensual and photographed women in the world. In fact I've got a picture of her above my bed. He's drooling, he's close to drooling while he's doing this. Oh boy, I love you.

1:33:40 And as we reported earlier this year, she has won critical acclaim not only in Europe, but now also in Hollywood. And now I have my hands in my pants. She took home the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress last year, the first Spanish actress ever to win an Academy Award. How did this versatile performer from a working class suburb of Madrid become this generation's Sophia Loren? Come and sit on my lap and I will let you tell us all about it. So this goes on and on and on but then at some point he's kind of leans over and he gets really creepy And he says the following which I have on this clip Charlie Rose Creep clip her appeal. It's always there other actresses have had it to be a Lorena had it Tell me about in this sexuality. It's in your DNA. I

1:34:33 Tell me about the sexuality. He's leaning over, whispering in a low voice about this and he mentions Sophia Loren again and I swear to God it was, it would, it creeped me out. If you like Sophia Loren tell me a little bit about how the sexuality is in your DNA because I'm Charlie Rose and I want you to come over here. You do it actually better than he does. Yeah well practice makes perfect. Jeez. You're right, that is creepy. So that's 60 minutes, that's what it's for. Yeah, that's that, there you go. That's our national news media. So I think we need to talk about probably the most emailed story of the week, John. And this would be something that happened just yesterday, I guess. This is the BP photoshopped crisis command center. By the way, I saw the original, did you see the picture that's going, did you get a copy of the picture, the real picture? Yeah, I've seen them all, I've seen them all. By the way, BP admits this, by the way.

1:35:29 They acknowledged they posted an altered photo on their website exaggerating the activity in its Gulf oil spill command center in Houston. I saw the command center, it looked pretty busy to me, the real one. Okay, so I have a theory about this. So, you ready? And I do not have all of the data yet. But I believe that this entire thing and of course the number the Hit me all of a sudden. I'm like oh my god of course if this so call it a small Photoshop It doesn't matter what it is. This is equivalent to the fake moon landing the very first one which was done in the studio

1:36:09 and the and and and we go and I'll tell you why this is where we pay him for the show we have all of these roving cameras underneath you know five thousand feet underneath the the surface of the Gulf of Mexico who the crap knows what that is it could be in a swimming pool with some mud thrown in there I believe and I have some of the GPS data and some of the coordinates. I'm putting it together so hopefully we'll have this in time for Sunday, or should have it by Sunday. I believe that they have not actually capped the real problem well, that they capped the well that they drilled in February, which also had a problem with their blowout preventer and they were drilling a relief well for that.

1:36:55 And I can actually show you on the map, I can show you that the rover that was showing the capping of that well was in a whole different location than where the horizon, Trans Ocean's deep sea horizon exploded. I think the whole thing is a hoax. Not the blow up, but I think the underwater cameras. What proof is that? It's got BP logos everywhere. I don't know what this camera is. I have no idea what everyone's, oh it's gotta be real, it's gotta be real. No one has questioned that, no one has questioned these things. I want to see CBS 60, I want Charlie Rose down there, 5,000 feet, riding this rover and then maybe I'll believe that it's actually, the video is actually of the capping of the well. I think the whole thing is fake and it's still bleeding oil everywhere. I like this theory. And I have, I'm working on the data and there's actually a YouTube video

1:37:57 That that it's horrible, so I put in the show notes. You'll see it But they also are on to this different coordinates of the rover of these underwater cameras which by the way at first it was just like one camera one static shot a loop and now we have five of them all of a sudden also there's all these arms oh Yes, I'm The left arm jeep jeep and we're putting this thing on here We're twisting stuff and we're banging away with like hammers like rock'em sock'em robots It's all fake, John. This whole thing is a complete media hoax. That well is still spurting. It's still spurting away. And their porn more corrects it in there so it doesn't come to the surface. We're totally being pwned. Well, I'm not going to say that. You know, I can't believe a major corporation would do such a thing. But it's a good theory. I mean, you know, until somebody

1:38:53 You know, we'll see how it plays out. We'll base our thinking on that concept when the news starts to come out about one thing or another. Well, you know, already it's like, well... We're hearing about the other leak two miles away that's got nothing to do with this well. Which I think that that's what we've been seeing pictures of. That could be the original well for all we know. That could be true too, but I am not taking this BP sponsored, paid for, roving cameras which all of a sudden the quality is great we've got five different feeds we're switching back and forth where was that before? How did you get quality that good with all that oily water all over the place? Who was the lighting director? I'd like to know I mean it's dark down there it's really really dark

1:39:32 But but but we were watching the spill it was like grainy was hard to see now I'm seeing like high-res images Yeah, it's very you know and let's not forget they got what's-his-face It was the director James Cameron. He knows how to make it look good underwater Maybe he's doing it all good. He could totally could be could be a dog job be a set for all I know But I said, but I'm yeah, but I'm not I'm not taking it on at face value yeah i i i think we'd nobody should take it on face value we have no idea what we're really being shown and i i question so you can argue man this one quick trip around him on nation shall we would like to come on a little ride with me go around the world but they can play my first last clip first don't hold that because they think the trip around it malaysia or uh... did my nation do it slant the government has come out with dmail

1:40:30 DE-mail and this is a e-government communication service that makes it possible to exchange legal electronic documents between citizens, agencies and businesses over the internets and it's completely secure. Yeah, go ahead and use the government's encryption key kids. Great idea. It's unbelievable that they're actually pushing this out there to use the German government's very own encryption service for private citizens and business. Yeah. Very very smart. D-mail. It doesn't make a lot of sense does it? No. Then we have Gitmo Nation Down Under. We appreciate all of our folks listening down there, producers, lots of people supporting us. Reports about, well they're basically they're catching up to Gitmo Nation West. Looks like they've got

1:41:23 new speed cameras mounted on these indescript cars, expected to bring in a hundred million dollars in fines. So, and of course everyone down there is freaking out, like, wait a minute, what is this? Well, yeah, welcome, you're now officially a part of Gitmo Nation. And this great report came out, which I have a little bit of audio from, about their fine armed forces. Just listen to it. Two senior WA police officers have been stood down and two others sidelined amid allegations they tasered junior officers as part of an initiation ritual at the Rockingham Police Station. An internal police investigation was launched two weeks ago after news of the shocking and unlawful practice reached the police hierarchy. I love the copy, the shocking news. The shocking practice. The shocking practice.

1:42:20 So the cops are tasing each other as an initiation ritual. Yeah, they probably get a buzz. Well, no wonder they're tasing citizens. They don't mind tasing each other. Yeah, you probably get used to it after a while. Yeah, tase me, bitch. then Gordon Brown this just surfaced then we had the big Iraq inquiry in in Gitmo Nation East and everyone sailed through it and not a problem you know that Gordon Brown went in there as well you know of course we had to do this and was very important very very rare and after no the reports were not sexed up and rah but this piece of video has now come out and

1:43:00 And this of course is about Saddam Hussein and why he had to be eliminated. We essentially need to give him a good old two to the head. No, actually I got a rope to the neck. God, remember that video? How quickly we forget that was indeed him. Yeah, that's really so listen to Gordon Brown two pieces to the audio first the setup So, you know exactly what it's about and then listen to the second piece, which is just so enlightening It's a very important message to learn that nothing was going to be perfect in a situation where we were in the midst of creating the if you like the institutions and the practices of a new world

1:43:40 Okay, so what's what's wait? It's a new world the American objective of regime change which had always been their policy indeed under the previous administration Under pressure of an American military deadline, okay listen to the answer position was not that our position was to support action so that the will of the international community that Saddam Hussein disclose and dispose of weapons be enforced. And at the back of my mind was this sense that if the international community did not act here, then the international community would find it difficult to gain credibility for acting in other areas. And this new world order that we were trying to create was being put at risk. Okay. This new world order we are putting to put together was being put at risk.

1:44:30 Thanks Bordo. Or that we're trying to create was actually what he said. Thanks Bordo. Or that we're trying to create. Yeah. Well when he said that, by the way, that's a good thing. Excuse me. Because he's saying they're trying, they haven't created it yet in other words. I'll take that indeed is a very good thing. So I think that's a plus. Yeah. It hasn't been created, of course, you know, people in the way. And I think it's getting more and more difficult because I think with the internets and the people reading crazy stuff and listening to no agenda show, which is what we do. And I know we're not the only ones to say the least, but I think we do the best job and we're the best podcast in the in the world personally.

1:45:13 In the galaxy, that's just my opinion and you know what as a former Soviet spy I concur get mo nation Caribbean or Caribbean if you will little Actually not reported at all from the Economist Desi Bouters is back. He's back in charge there. Do you remember Desi Bouters? No, he sees control of Suriname and Following a coup in 1980, of course he has many ties to Moscow. What really set him off, he was actually convicted of this, although I don't think he ever served any time, he fled, of executing 15 political opponents in 1982. And I think the Netherlands convicted him of doing that. Well, he's back, he's got control of the country again. His mega combination only took 40% of the vote,

1:46:09 But somehow he's in charge. And there's a lot going on in the Caribbean. So it's a good time for him to pop up again. Yeah, this was a huge scandal that he executed these political opponents of his. He just gave him... It was more than two to the head. And then from Gitmo Nation proper, where we are, just a couple of things. A huge article that I'd like you to read about a number of People being arrested thrown in jail for two days for filming police officers in public places while arresting someone Oh, yeah happening everywhere And if you want to really help stop the new world order and the gitmo nation This is the one thing you can actually do

1:46:57 Is you just you just need to film it you just really need to film it and do it on quick or something like that So it's immediately going up to YouTube, you know, don't let it stay on your phone, right? And you will get arrested but but you'll get out and you'll be okay also get you can also get these things done Surreptitiously and you can get him posted surreptitiously you can do a lot. Don't make a don't draw attention to yourself But learn how to use the the filming of your of your phone the phones have a nice little unit that the circuitry is really good for making movies now with small cameras and And and phones it's actually quite astonishing the quality so a story of a couple guys who were literally thrown in jail for for two days all that you know no blankets and then they were convicted of illegal wiretapping

1:47:47 Yeah, where's the wire and resisting arrest now, it's just nuts Quatar is this a Gulf news? Okay. This is not from Gitmo nation proper Fuck it. Excuse me. We'll skip that one the next generation body scanner Which I don't think we touched on yet. We'll now be able to see through clothing without radiation, John. It's amazing how that works. Just amazing. It's amazing. Through Vision TS4. That's right. Just through your body heat. There's no radiation at all. But of course the article immediately references total recall. So that's just, you're already conditioned to accept that.

1:48:32 Then thank you to our producer who says the taser shotgun it exists the shotgun shell itself is self-contained no wires The shell leaves the gun flies through the air and on impact zaps the person so it does exist Taser shotguns, so you can hit with a battery. Yeah, shooting batteries at you. This can't be good It's alright it's my eye ow And then the earthquake machine I think was fired up again on Southern Iran which of course leads me to believe that we're pretty close to something happening there 5.1 magnitude whatever it means Actually, we have a lot of natural earthquakes there. You know yeah Yeah, well we have natural earthquakes in California waste the earthquake machine on Iran until they want to really not not buildings down producer Gordon and I'll leave all of his links up and

1:49:31 Really tried to figure out he titled it earthquake magnitude investigation Because of course the Richter scale was removed without any big Announcement notice yeah without real notice and it was in the licensing agreement Like someone had the patent on that and say screw it. We'll just come up with our own our Apparently it's very difficult to measure earthquakes This is the bottom line. And he got the... He has like six different links and a little bit of information. But his conclusion, which I'll read to you. Magnitude represented by a single number is sort of accurate but not really. Magnitudes derived from different methods, methods might be similar. Knowing the magnitude parameters reported on USGS.gov for a few earthquakes lead me down a multi-hour investigation on the internet where I discovered... Ah, never mind. I gotta go watch Extra.

1:50:26 Yeah, there's nothing to see here. Nothing to see here, but they've changed it and no one really knows what it means. That's the bottom line. And even all these official sites. I find it distressing. They really don't know what the new number means. Yeah, it's just a number. Apparently just did you feel that 3.1? Wow? Yeah, yeah, we had that the other day right a 3.1. Yeah Yeah, all right, then feeling my last moment for the day all the board trains good planes bad We're running out of time here on trains good. There's a whole bunch of trains and planes stories Yeah, there is and I believe that the air the aviation industry has got their own PR machine running because there are competing stories now I noticed I've said starting to see competing stories the train guys still have the upper hand we should have like a running a tote board a tote board

1:51:21 board you know and then maybe it's like an exciting announcement and the planes have gotten three stories in this week in the proderb and but no there's a train wreck there's a train wreck there's a train wreck in India train wreck in India counts for 10 points oh no wait a minute John we have a railroad that'll link Europe to Asia by way of the the the bullet says GilroyDispatch.com oh no this thing will never make any money chalk one up for the planes Germans to levy up to $33 per flight oh yes the train people go at it again airport body scanners reveal all but what about when's your kid oh yes st. Petersburg Times another one for the train people Saskatchewan full body scanners arrive at Saskatoon Airport oh it looks like

1:52:19 John, I don't think, I think the trained people are just going to win it today. Flying pasties claim to hide your nakedness from airport scanners. The trained people are really doing it now. Railroad education now being taught in a course at the university. These guys are going for the Gipper. At least 49 dead after express train smashed into stationary passenger train. There you go for the plain people. Greece's debt-ridden rail system adds economic breakdown. Oh yeah, they're really hammering it. In the New York Times, they got through all the way to train HQ. Plain people won more. And finally, Hill and Knowlton does have a German office. Ah, in Berlin? In Berlin, yes. That's where you do it. So all of those links

1:53:01 Yeah, no, trains, I think you're right. I think we could do it in this exciting manner. Very exciting. It's a great way to do it. It's the only way to do it because it gets through us because there's too many of these stories. They're really going after it and I think over the next couple months it's gonna get worse and worse. So right now all we can say is it looks like we have planes behind trailing by three as trains pull up more than seven stories this week. All aboard! Trains good, planes bad. Woo! Got a clip? So, uh, this is kind of a humorous clip, all state commercial. Uh, they're trying to make rich people out to be these really weird kind of creeps. Yeah.

1:53:44 uh... whether this is like you know uh... a good but it's a caricature and they want to pound at home so they make the you know the the the slaves of feel better about themselves if they course if they have to buy all state insurance to do so but uh... this is a i i was found this commercial quite amusing we go the rich executive here the markets down a million points I spill my large espresso. The searing pain makes me slam on the brakes. Uh-oh, your fault. And your 15-minute insurance may not cover my $90,000 car, so I sue you, because that's what I do. So get Allstate. You can save money and be better protected from mayhem. Like me. Dollar for dollar, nobody protects you from mayhem like Allstate. The only thing that's missing is, I'm a Republican. They should have thrown that in. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. I found it abhorrent. Yeah, it is, of course.

1:54:42 So, um, that's it for me. Allstate insurance. We do want to play, we're going to play a long clip at the end here. In the end here, and I think that's going to do it for today. Go to NoragendaShow.com or DeVore.org slash NA and click on the donation links and help us out. And you will be getting a, if you haven't opened your email, go open it and see if you got a solicitation for the 3333 program. It's a monthly subscription. to get your boarding pass to the mothership when it shows up. Yeah, well, it's going to be very handy. Very handy. Kool-Aid in the meantime. Or don't put on the purple tracksuit just yet. But the mothership will arrive. It's already been sighted, of course, over China. We know it shut down the airport, so we're getting close and I'm waiting for signals from occupants from interplanetary craft.

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1:56:44 Well, I've covered national security for a decade or more and after 9-11 you could see, you could feel the growth of something around you. You listened to officials and they had complaints and concerns about how much money was being spent. It was all sort of understandable in the beginning and it continued to grow at a great rapid rate. So a couple years ago, Bill, my co-author, Bill Larkin and I, who we've been talking about this for years and years, said, well, how would you go about trying to show this? And we got together and decided that one of the ways we would do it, since it is at the top secret level and we can't get inside of the government, we can't get inside those programs, is to start by just counting them, to find them and then count them and put them on a map.

1:57:33 sort of create an alternative geography of the United States. We did mapping like you would do on a genome project. Once we did that, which took a year and a half to assemble, while we were doing it we were also trying to talk with officials inside the government and figure out what kind of patterns and problems emerged. And that's where The issue of its size became such an issue. It's not just that it grew, it's that it's grown and the growth has overwhelmed some of the progress that has been made in intelligence sharing and other areas. Are you saying that then, I mean this already was a huge apparatus before this, was it not? Are you saying it really is, the dysfunctionality you found is really a result of the 9-11, post 9-11 proliferation?

1:58:21 Well, yes, I don't think it was that sort of large, unwieldy apparatus before 9-11. It was more disconnected than it was afterwards because after all we created the Director of National Intelligence to get all of this under control and to help coordinate all these different agencies. To some extent that has happened. The various directors have managed to get people to share information. in a better way and more effective way, but at the same time this growth was occurring and you had a proliferation of agencies and a number of people working on things and the focus, the direction that was given to those agencies and many sub-organizations that went about doing their own thing was lacking and every time there was a problem the question was not how can we

1:59:07 we do this better, it was let's do more of it. Let's bring in more people, let's bring in more resources. And that, as Secretary Bob Gates and Director of the CIA Leon Panetta told us on the record, is not always the answer to every problem. Now you came up with some eye-popping figures. One jumped out at me, that this whole enterprise produces some 50,000 intelligence reports every year, and you said many of them are routinely ignored. Well, and the reason for that is that many of them deal with exactly the same subject. uh... you doing the easiest thing is what happens a lot of fuel don't push people to do the hardest work that happens in many different ways in the fort hood uh... shooter is a good example of that the armies largest and counterintelligence organization which is supposed to be looking inside the army for for spies or potential jihadist is just twenty five miles of the road from walter reid where major has signed the suspect in that case

2:00:04 began to speak very oddly about Islam and warning the army that they should let people out who were religious. But that organization wasn't in fact looking hard within its own ranks because that's very hard to do. Instead they were doing something that the FBI and Homeland Security was already doing which was to look at other terrorist affiliations within the United States. So all agencies, many agencies had sort of a mission creep and many of them ended up doing the easiest things rather than the most difficult things. Now the office of the director of national intelligence as you know today reacted by saying look we have unsung successes absolutely every day.

2:00:44 Yet you found a general in the Pentagon who was involved in tracking all this who said it's so complex, he said, that we can't effectively assess whether it is making us more safe. Is there really a debate within the community about whether this is making us more safe? Well, absolutely. I think that on the surface everybody thinks that we're much more prepared for a simultaneous attack by airliners. That would be very unusual and very surprising if that ever happened again. But given the resources that we've put on this, the question is, are we getting what we think we're getting out of it? And what these officials are saying is they just can't tell because it's gotten so big and not any, nobody or not enough people have the reach and the visibility over the entire thing to be able to judge that. And certainly not the director of national intelligence who is supposed to be doing this.

2:01:39 That's a position that is never given the authority that I think most Americans think that it was given. And it's turned out through a succession of directors not to really be able to do the sort of directing and focusing that people intended it to do. Now, is anyone, is there any serious effort underway to revamp this? Let me turn it around. Do you think that the people you involved at the highest levels of this community were surprised by what they read in your report? Or do they know it and it's just so big and unwieldy that there's no way to get a handle on it. I think it's the latter. I think that people do know this problem. In fact, there's an on-the-record State Department briefing that says, well, we knew this was an issue. Well, they know it's an issue. They know, they can feel it. But I'm pretty certain that they don't have all the parameters of the problem because that was another one of our surprising findings that of the lack of information about other agencies

2:02:36 within the intelligence world. People would ask us, well what did you find over there? We found that more than two dozen agencies are looking at the same issue of, for instance, counter-terror financing, looking at the money flow from terrorist organizations. And they don't even know everyone else that's involved in it. So how can you coordinate if you can't even get everybody, you don't even know everybody to invite to the table. So this lack of information is one of the things that's impeding any kind of change. And you went to see the director of the National Counterterrorism Center and you described him sitting at his desk with all these

2:03:12 you know, I don't know, drives and so on, and all these information flows with internet networks that can't even talk to each other. Right, and this is five years after that office was stood up. Yes, he sits in front of a bank of computer monitors and a stack of hard drives at his feet and he has to go through over one after another during the day because they can't fuse the intelligence together and he said well I can get all my email now on the same computer and that was progress to him. Dana Priest of the Washington Post, thank you so much. Thanks for having me.

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