Episode 206 · Sunday, 6 June 2010

Cameras as Weapons

A Maryland wiretapping arrest signals a new war on citizen journalism while global health officials face scrutiny over manufactured pandemic narratives and pharmaceutical industry influence.

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About this episode

Maryland prosecutors have charged Anthony Graber with violating state wiretapping statutes after he posted helmet-cam footage of a state trooper to YouTube. This arrest highlights a growing national trend where law enforcement agencies utilize possession of an interception device charges to penalize citizens for filming police in public spaces. The incident coincides with a Federal Trade Commission proposal to overhaul the media industry by taxing consumer electronics and news aggregators to fund a national journalism endowment.

The Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly reports that World Health Organization scientists maintained undisclosed financial ties to pharmaceutical companies during the H1N1 pandemic. Director-General Margaret Chan dismissed these corruption allegations as the work of armchair quarterbacks, yet the report suggests the global health threat was manufactured to drive vaccine sales. Meanwhile, USDA Secretary Tom Vilsack is promoting a rural revitalization plan that critics argue serves as a front for Monsanto and the expansion of pesticide-resistant super weeds across the Southern United States. In the United Kingdom, the BBC is intensifying enforcement of its annual television license fee, employing database tracking and detector vans to target residents who have not paid the three-hundred-fifty-pound levy.

Adam Curry recounts the military service of his grandfather, Albert Schoble, during the Normandy invasion and the Battle of Arnhem on this D-Day anniversary. John C. Dvorak questions the installation of a massive Anubis statue at Denver International Airport, noting the grim irony of placing the Egyptian god of death in a transit hub. The duo also reviews the linguistic decline of reality television, mocking the excessive use of the word amazing by contestants on programs like The Bachelor.


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CHAPTER 01 / 35 Discussion

D-Day Anniversary, Adam Curry's Paternal Grandfather

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 206 of No Agenda on the anniversary of D-Day. Curry recounts the military history of his paternal grandfather, Albert Schoble, who participated in the Normandy invasion and the Battle of Arnhem at the bridge too far. The hosts note the lack of contemporary media coverage regarding the historic event.

d-day· normandy· arnhem· albert schoble· gitmo nation

00:02 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's 0606, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 206. This is no agenda. Remembering D-Day and coming to you from the Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West in the People's Republic of Southern California in the morning. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, it is indeed 0606, show 206, and soon it will be the time 6. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill!

00:57 This is D-Day? Yeah, today is D-Day. They don't tell us about it anymore? They don't care? I guess not. My paternal grandfather, on my mom's side, Albert Schoble, actually a former German, he was in the Normandy invasion. He was there at D-Day. On what side? On the American side. He was at Arnhem, a bridge too far. Dude had some major... I mean, I wish... I didn't know him until I was like 35 or something, or 30. Because my grandmother got remarried two or three times And he passed away. Let me see probably ten years ago at age like, you know 97 in his comfy chair. He just like poop went to sleep I went through D-Day and Arnhem amazing Hey John So in the morning to everybody all ships at sea. This is the no agenda British Bread Corporation broadcast and

CHAPTER 02 / 35 Discussion

United Kingdom Fox Attacks, Predictive News Hits

Adam Curry addresses a previous prediction regarding foxes attacking humans after a fox stole his daughter's shoe. Recent reports from the BBC and the Times of London confirm that twin nine-month-old girls in the United Kingdom were injured in a suspected fox attack after the animal entered through an open window. The hosts compare this "hit" to their previous prediction of Brett Michaels winning Celebrity Apprentice.

fox attack· united kingdom· bbc· times of london· celebrity apprentice

01:58 And it is later than normal for people on a live stream, but luckily for people down under in Gitmo Nation there, it is actually in the morning that we're doing the live show. Yep, it's a good thing for them if they can handle it in the morning. And I have to say, it happens from time to time and I do get called out for it when we make a really big mistake. And I think I have to do a little mea culpa here. I made a big boo-boo, John. What? Well, you'll recall not once but twice did I say, after relating the story of a fox stealing my daughter's shoe, I said, hey, you know, the next headline will be Fox Steals Baby. I was wrong. It's two babies. You didn't say steal, you said they'd attack or eat. Eat.

03:00 My email box is like filled with people saying oh my god. Do you like write the news before you make it happen? Yeah, we do that and I'm like wow this is pretty amazing so this happened in In the United Kingdom, and it's funny kind of like as we as we discussed twin girls injured in suspected Fox attack although that's the BBC the Times of London is now saying it was a Fox attack and Yeah, I guess the foxes are sneaking into these houses. Yeah, it's a Snuck in through because it was really warm Saturday night in in Gitmo Nation East and so that people had their windows open the Fox crept through the window these two nine-month-old baby twin girls and attacked them and they have scratches on their arms one apparently on on her on her face and

03:54 One has bite marks? No, wait a minute. What are these kids leaving these little girls alone with a fox for? Arrest those parents I say. Call Child Protective Services. That's next. You watch. Anyway, so we were close. Yeah, no, I think actually, I think that qualifies as a hit. Let's go to the official score table. Yes How we doing? It's can it's they're calling it a hit yeah so far we have Brett double actually Brett Michaels winning Celebrity apprentice if only we could get some of the important stuff right well, I got another news story I don't know there's anything predictive about this I mean we've actually we've predicted a lot of stuff and but we're not gonna brag about it anymore because it's just ridiculous that you know the whole shit I hate to say this

CHAPTER 03 / 35 Discussion

Stephen Hill Death, Porn Star Tased on Cliff

Pornographic actor Stephen Hill, known for playing Barack Obama in adult parodies, died following a standoff with the LAPD. After allegedly killing a colleague, Hill was cornered on a cliffside where officers used a stun gun on him. The tasing caused Hill to fall from the cliff to his death, leading the hosts to question the safety of using tasers in high-altitude standoffs.

stephen hill· lapd· porn star· barack obama· taser

04:45 But the whole show would be nothing but us bragging. That's how good we are. John at Dvorak.org. So here we go. Okay, you got one? So it appears as if... Stephen Hill, sword-wielding porn star dies after allegedly killing Tom Dong. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Stephen Hill, I'm confused. It sounds like two stories. Stephen Hill who once played Barack Obama in the porn spoof Palin, Erection 2008. Oh, this wasn't Nalin Palin?

05:29 No, this is a different one. This is Erection 2008. Okay, then I'm thinking of the wrong porn actor. I'm sorry. Okay. It's a Cuban. I mean, there's probably a number of Obamas in the business. They're going to maybe think twice about it. Because the way he died was kind of dubious. After holding authorities at bay supposedly for eight hours, I guess he must have a huge one. SWAT officers used a stun gun to end the standoff said LAPD officer Bruce something. He jumped down off the cliff after he was tased and fell to his death. Oh right, that sounds like a very serious case of two to the head. Totally. So that's not okay, I mean you can't be tasing people who are on a cliff, that's just wrong.

06:17 Yeah, that doesn't sound right if you were taste how do you jump out you when you're taste you drop? No jump. I don't know. I haven't been taste we bounced off of something Barty pot Barty well This is a very sad day for the pornography industry. This is a very sad day for the pornography industry Yeah, they lost another Obama and Okay, this is not good. No all the good ones have to go oh First this is horrible. Yeah, it's a good day young so We there's a couple things we definitely have to get into but perhaps we can talk about our do we have executive producers? Did anyone support us for this show? Yes, and let me get to them immediately. I

CHAPTER 04 / 35 Discussion

Executive Producer Credits, Zydeco's Restaurant Promotion

The hosts recognize new executive producers Howard Johnson and Jason Chomel, along with associate executive producer Deborah Hutchinson. They promote Zydeco's Restaurant in Mooresville, Indiana, which offers a 10% donation to the show for patrons who mention No Agenda on Wednesdays or Thursdays. The segment highlights the "de-douching" process for new donors.

howard johnson· jason chomel· deborah hutchinson· zydeco's restaurant· mooresville

07:06 What I call immediate okay, we got two executive producers followed by a an associate executive producer okey-dokey and The three there by again the two guys are three thirty three dot thirty three They're lucky number and they're loading up on their their triple play for an automatic knighthood one from Gloucester Ontario is Howard Johnson and and he wants to be a dedouched member of the choir plus a down payment on nighthood. You've been dedouched. Alright, with that one there, Howard. He's good to go. Yeah. Hojo. Hojo has been dedouched. And then Jason Chomel, Chomel or Chamel,

07:55 I think it's C-H-O-M-E-L from San Diego, California. Another 33333. Dear, hello John and Adam. I've been listening to the program for quite a while now and even though I don't agree with everything you guys say, who does? No Agenda is consistently the first podcast I listen to and always find myself looking forward to the next episode in the morning. Please keep up the good work. I would like to take this opportunity to de-douche myself. Oh my goodness. You've been de-douched. With the affixed donation, my first step toward knighthood. Another one very similar to the other one. It's funny. Funny. And then our associate executive producer, I'm not absolutely sure this may be the first female associate or... Well no, we have ladies. We have ladies and knights, but I don't know that they came in when we started the producer program. Okay. So Deborah Hutchinson from Boarsville, Indiana. 216.

08:50 Oh, this is from Zydeco's restaurant. They donate 10% of Wednesday's takings. Or Thursday, if you mention no agenda. On any Wednesday, yeah. If you mention NoAgenda on any Wednesday or Thursday, you get 10% Oh, that's it. 10% of your check goes to NoAgenda and you get a gift certificate for your next visit. Go to Zydecos.net for menus and directions in, is that Mooresville, right? Yeah, Mooresville, Indiana. Yeah, and that's Z-Y-D-E-C-O-S I really hope we can get to Indiana one of these days John. Yeah, I would like to go if I go to Chicago I'm gonna make a point of going down there. That would be so awesome We have we have so many and Mickey and I were talking about you and I and of course she'd come along because she'd be our impresario She says we've got to go to Australia. So we're crazy if we don't got you we have we're having breakfast and

CHAPTER 05 / 35 Discussion

Australian Politics, Kevin Rudd Public Sentiment

During a breakfast in Los Angeles, Adam Curry encountered Australian tourists and discussed the political climate in their home country. Curry reports that mentioning Prime Minister Kevin Rudd triggered a strong negative reaction from the visitors. The hosts discuss the potential for a future live show tour in Australia based on listener support.

australia· kevin rudd· los angeles· tourists· prime minister

09:45 Yesterday morning, of course had a fantastic day because it didn't have to prep at night or anything like that So we had breakfast there's the earth cafe in LA It was like crazy busy with tourists and went next door as a couple of Australian people, you know Like older people with their son who apparently lived in Los Angeles and I was looking at his plate and he had something really amazing cheese plate and excuse me, what is that on the menu? And so I hear he's Australian And I said, oh, and of course, like my grandfather, you know, I'm getting old now. Hey, are you people from out of town? And she goes, yeah, yeah, we're visiting our son here. I said, oh, welcome to Los Angeles. And I said, you know, I love Australia. And I told him a little bit about the documentary and I did. And I just looked at these people and I knew that if I laid out the, hey, by the way, everything's cool there except for that dickhead Kevin Rudd. And I hit, I nailed it. You know, the old guys like, ah, don't got me started.

10:40 he just went off, he's like, oh my gosh, there's some hate for that guy down there. Yeah, and there's probably a number of Americans who even knows who he is. That was probably surprising to them, yeah. Anyway, thank you very much to our executive producers, Howard Johnson, Hojo, and Jason Shomel, I think we should just say Shomel, it sounds kind of classy. And our associate executive producer, Deborah Hutchinson. And of course, the series producer for the month of June, Andrew McKinnon. Thank you for the support. Everyone else, please go out, propagate the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Hell yeah. And get ready to all say it together. Everyone in the chat room, refresh your radios. Scream at the top of your lungs. Shut up, sleep.

CHAPTER 06 / 35 Discussion

Directors Guild of America, Professional Screening Standards

A host describes attending a screening at the Directors Guild of America (DGA) theater, noting the strict professional etiquette required. The facility enforces rules against food, talking, and leaving before the final credits have rolled. The segment emphasizes the high technical quality of the sound and projection systems used by industry professionals.

directors guild of america· sag· movie theater· credits· screening

11:32 And I want to remind anyone who wants to be an executive producer that if you go to No Agenda Show or Dvorak.org slash NA and go to the donations link, there's a special thing you can check. You can go in and do it that way. And you will get, anybody over $200 gets to be an executive producer. Yes. No knighthoods though today, correct? No. And we should, you might as well remind them what good the executive producer title is. Well, it's extremely good to get you gigs. So you can put it on your resume, in your email signature, I see it come by all the time. It's also good for me when someone has it in there, they say executive producer or associate executive producer of No Agenda episode, and they give you the episode number. And it is recognized, it's a credit. You know, last night, Miki as a SAG member, she gets special deals on stuff, besides great healthcare. There's these free screenings at the Directors Guild of America.

12:27 And, uh, I mean, if you can get into one of these, it's amazing. First of all, it's free. Um, but it's a theater the way a theater should be. It's this, you know, the screen is fantastic. There's not a bad seat in the house. Uh, the sound is just amazing. Uh, it's tweaked. Everything is the way it should be. Because let's face it, directors do their screenings in this, uh, in this theater. And there's a couple of rules. One is, you know, no food, no popcorn, no talking during the movie, shut up. Although last night's movie there was lots of talking and laughing, but it was okay. And also, you are not allowed to get up until all the credits have rolled, which I think is cool. And there's a real respect for the movie. Now, of course, last night it was Sex and the City 2. Well, hold on a second. You went to see Sex and the City 2? Yes, and I have a recommendation.

CHAPTER 07 / 35 Discussion

Sex and the City 2, Relationship Movie Warning

The hosts provide a negative review of the film Sex and the City 2, describing it as insulting to the audience's intelligence. They warn male listeners that attending the movie with a partner will lead to unnecessary and difficult relationship discussions. The film is criticized for its excessive two-hour and fifteen-minute runtime and disjointed storytelling.

sex and the city 2· movie review· relationships· intelligence· sequel

13:21 Yeah, I have one too. Okay, here's mine first. If you are currently in a relationship, I warn you now, guys, do not go to this movie with your wife, your girlfriend, your spouse, or even your boyfriend for all I... it will... only discussion can come from this movie. It is not a good idea. Stay away. Bad. There's nothing but things to talk about afterwards. Well, I think that's good advice for people in a relationship. My advice for people not in a relationship is not to go to this movie. It's really bad. Just let the women go to it by themselves. Try to keep them from going to it. Tell them it's better on DVD. The thing is, it's two hours and 15 minutes. That's too long for a 90 minute movie. Absolutely. And it's like three stories in one. It was just like, what? And it's an insulting movie. Anyway, don't get me started. Why is it insulting? Go on, give us the spoiler.

14:23 There's no do it. No, I don't want to talk about it. It's just it's insulting on so many levels Intelligence at the top. I didn't see the top the first movie. I mean, I watched sex in the city's casing once in a while I thought that the whole thing well, they tried they tried to put a storyline into it and they tried to you know, it's like You know, it's okay if it's just all you know gay stuff and fashion stuff and I can handle that part then don't put like relationship stories in and stuff that's gonna just begat conversation later. Anyway, so the big news coming out of the global government is a report from the Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly, better known as PACE. Would you believe it, John, that after how many years have we been harping on swine flu?

CHAPTER 08 / 35 Discussion

World Health Organization, Swine Flu Corruption Report

A report from the Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly (PACE) alleges that scientists at the World Health Organization (WHO) had undisclosed ties to pharmaceutical companies during the H1N1 pandemic. WHO Director-General Margaret Chan defended the organization, dismissing critics as "armchair quarterbacks." The hosts argue that the pandemic threat was manufactured to benefit manufacturers of vaccines and Tamiflu.

world health organization· swine flu· margaret chan· tamiflu· council of europe

15:17 How many years have you... Actually we started harping on swine flu. I started harping on it first, I think. Yeah, on the same show, but I jumped right on. I was only a millisecond behind you. Yes, not much behind me. It's not like I took a show off. So... Oh, I have, but I didn't do it that day. You caught it right at the beginning and you did and you made a point of saying you think you're calling it as bullshit. As soon as the first story hit about the pig farm in Mexico. So the report that came out says, well, as it turns out, the scientists at the World Health Organization who are responsible for

16:02 identifying, raising the threat level to pandemic level after changing the definition of a pandemic. Turns out they had rather close ties to manufacturers of vaccines and antiviral medicines such as Tamiflu, which they did not publicly disclose. Wow, yeah, stunner. And then Margaret Chan, this is... And we have to mention by the way, we also talked about the fact that we were getting reports from people pointing out the fact that these pharmacies were getting kind of semi, not quite, but almost expired Tamiflu during the panic. So they could dump it up, you know, get it out of there. Get rid of it, absolutely. Get it out of inventory. So this woman who you really dislike, Margaret Chan... Yeah, Ms. Swan. Yes.

16:52 said that well you know uh... yes we have of course everyone that we always ask for disclosures always ask for disclosure however however the committee members you know, they had to, they couldn't disclose it and the reason why is to quote, protect the integrity and independence of the members while doing this critical work but also to ensure transparency by publicly providing the names of the members as well as the information about any interest declared by them at the appropriate time. She says, I do not, I think their decisions were driven by the existing and evolving conditions at that time

17:29 And what the best scientific information was telling us. It's very easy to look back through a 20-20 lens and essentially be an armchair quarterback. Dude, we were calling the game from our armchair as it unfolded. Wait, wait, wait. Was that a quote from Chan? Chan, yeah. Chan, whatever her name is. She said the word armchair quarterback? Oh yes, oh yes. She doesn't even know what football is. It's a PR company, it's probably Hill and Knowlton. It's bogus, yeah, it's probably one of these guys because she's from Hong Kong, what does she know about the term armchair quarterback? What a crock. Well, we have a jingle for that. Bullshit! Addressing the possibility of industry influence... Stinger. Yeah, Stinger. Addressing the possibility of industry influence on the World Health Organization's decisions, the spokesman said, so this is the spokesman unidentified,

18:20 The World Health Organization based its decisions on strong public health considerations. I don't think there was any indication from our perspective that their decisions were influenced by industry in any way. Shut up, slave! I'm the spokesman. I'm a spokeshole. Spokesful. Yes, sir. Using that it's a new one. You like it spokes whole Yeah, cuz you're kind of a visual so so now of course we we really need to call a couple of things into question Such as why did everyone jump on board? Why didn't we have our fabulous scientists in the United States and around the world question this and

CHAPTER 09 / 35 Discussion

Scientific Denialism, Media Lockstep Coverage

The hosts criticize the emergence of "scientific explanations for denialism," viewing it as a way to silence dissent against official narratives. They point to media coverage by George Stephanopoulos on ABC News as an example of "douchebaggery" regarding flu reporting. The discussion suggests that network journalists are prohibited from questioning government-sanctioned medical information.

denialism· fascism· george stephanopoulos· abc news· flu symptoms

18:58 And these are the same people who are bringing you the war against salt, the war against alcohol. Maybe those reports and studies aren't so good either or maybe they have some ties to people that they should be disclosing which they're not. Yeah. But no one enforces that. And then of course the new scientists just today uh... you know that guy that idiot who did the denialist book uh... yeah he's like a guy who he's got these other guys picking up on this concept in the writing there's a scientific explanation for denialism and this is this article i just found it i just got saw it this morning it's just like

19:38 It's just, it's the same lockstep fascist crap, you know, where nobody can question this phony baloney information that's out there. And if you're on the side, everybody's in total agreement and that kind of thing. It's just annoying. It's very annoying. And now you have to question all those people who stood in line and were frightened into taking a shot. Were they just guinea pigs? Do we know? Will we ever know? No, first time. It could be guinea pigs. Well, but I mean, you have to question everything now. Of course, I got a couple of links under swine flu in the show notes at noagendershow.com. If you see like the ABC News with George Stepanopoulos. I didn't see it today. I didn't see it today. It's from yesterday. It's just, it's douchebaggery. So, first of all, George Stepanopoulos, who died and made him anchorman?

20:38 And he's on Good Morning America now too, it's just weird. So they do this whole story and the only thing they're saying is well you know it's down and flu-like symptoms which is the same as jobs saved or created. Flu-like symptoms are down so they couldn't even get enough flu symptoms it had to be like flu-like symptoms. It's too late in the season, it's just summer upon us. Yeah, but they don't even mention it. I'm sorry but what bothers me is somebody actually was on one of these network shows and said this is bogus, this is crap, this is bunk. They would be fired. Oh yeah, you're off the air. I mean you're off the air for just asking whether Michael Jackson was murdered. I'm still waiting for him to call back and say hey. Hey, thank you for giving us the tip. You got nothing. The planetary premiere of the news. No, that's all right.

CHAPTER 10 / 35 Discussion

Photography Arrests, Maryland Wiretapping Statutes

Anthony Graber was arrested in Maryland for posting helmet-cam footage of a state trooper to YouTube. Prosecutors charged Graber with violating wiretapping laws and possession of an "interception device," referring to his video camera. The hosts discuss a broader trend of police arresting citizens for filming them in public spaces, citing similar incidents in Boston.

anthony graber· maryland· wiretapping· youtube· police photography

22:28 Who knows what after effects you know after getting shot up with this stuff two or three times what it'll do to you Who knows? Yeah, you might go mental or something. Yeah, well, but everyone's like oh, this is good. This is really awesome Science is in on this one. Well. I was gonna head in a different direction, okay? So I got a bunch of news stories of cropping up one after another and we just read this one January 12 2010 this is like one of about ten incidents and A lot of these aren't getting played up enough. A lawyer was walking down Tremont Street in Boston when he saw these three police officers struggling to extract a plastic bag from a teenager's mouth, thinking that their force seemed excessive for a drug arrest. He pulled out his cell phone and was immediately arrested. Oh yes, this is the cameras as weapons meme.

23:23 Yeah, and one that came in interesting, there's a bunch of them. There's that guy, everybody in Maryland if you take a picture you're subject to arrest even though the lawyers say they're enforcing a law that doesn't exist. So everybody's full of crap. But this is already law under section 44 of the Terrorism Act in the United Kingdom. It's already law. You are not allowed to photograph a police officer. It's law. Section 44 and they can quite they can take you in without even having any reason to other than suspicion This is where we're headed. Yeah, I know, I know, and nobody's doing anything. The public is not objecting to this. This is what's bothersome. Anthony Graber, a Maryland man who was arrested for posting a video of a traffic cop to YouTube. By the way, here's the deal. Get an account at YouTube that's anonymous. Go through a proxy server. By the way, we have noagendaproxy.com.

24:19 use that as a good uh... proxies to be no agenda proxy dot com is good for listening to the show and in companies i can't be they won't they get a blocked or in countries that have a block who knows Anyway, no agenda showed it at no agenda proxy calm. I think there's another one we have to have it some in their notes Anyway, Graber was pulled over for his motorcycle by a state trooper Olber owner or older Euler he dealer draws his gun during the stop for no apparent reason Graber was wearing a helmet cam. Yeah, yeah. Graber thought Illner's actions were excessive and he posted the video to the internet. Days later, police called the home of his parents. He was arrested, booked, and jailed. He was charged with violating Maryland's wiretapping statute. In an interview he gave to one of the bloggers, he said that he told them that the judge, quote, the judge released me

25:14 after he looked at the paperwork and said that it is seemingly violation of the wiretapping law and then it turns out the judge did release him, dropped the case as a matter of fact but that wasn't what happened. Graber's due in court next week he faces up to five years in prison because the state's attorney Joseph Casilli a douchebag. He's also charged Graber with possession of a, by the way it's probably illegal in Maryland to call somebody a douchebag. Oh yeah, we're going to, we're still going to Gitmo baby. Well I'm not going to go to Maryland. He also charged Graber with possession of an interception device. This is the new one. An interception device. Oh wow. Do detail what that is. The device would be Graber's otherwise perfectly legal video camera.

CHAPTER 11 / 35 Discussion

Federal Trade Commission, Reinventing Journalism Proposal

A draft proposal from the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) suggests a government-led overhaul of the media industry to save struggling news organizations. The plan includes requiring news aggregators like the Drudge Report, Digg, and Reddit to pay for content through copyright licenses. The hosts argue that taxing aggregators will further damage the news industry's failing business model.

ftc· journalism· news aggregators· drudge report· copyright

26:06 This is great. Of course the news is not going to report on this because they love it. It's like, yeah, get rid of those citizen journalists. Get rid of them. Yeah, we're the only ones who know how to do journalism. Get rid of them. We don't want that. Yeah, of course, the next thing you know, those guys will get clubbed by the same cops. And the cameras are a lot more expensive. Well, this actually came from Eric the Shill. The Federal Trade Commission, this is a right along the same lines although more you know anti-internet, is seeking ways to quote reinvent journalism according to a draft proposal from dated May 24th. The agency thinks government should be at the center of a media overhaul. The idea is to save the industry they should

26:51 The industry, the news organizations. Oh you mean the ones that couldn't see their own demise coming down Broadway? Exactly. With a March ban, they didn't figure it out? Give me a break. They need to agree on a mechanism to require news aggregators and others, the quote and others, and we're basically news aggregators, to pay for the use of online content perhaps through the use of copyright licenses. In other words, according to the Washington Times, government policy would encourage attacks on websites like the Drudge Report. and like it or hate it, Drudge Report is definitely a source of news. It's an aggregator of headlines. It doesn't do anything more than that. And the other factor of the matter is headlines, which can't even be copyrighted, as far as I know, like book titles. I could be wrong about the headlines, but typically speaking, book titles are not copyrightable. And I would assume headlines wouldn't be either, because you can't, you know, most headlines are either redundant or they're used over and over again over the years.

27:52 And most of these websites that are aggregators just have the headline. And then a link to the original site. What's wrong with that? Who cares? What's the big deal? I don't get it. the tax would hit other news aggregators such as dig, fark and reddit which not only gather links but provide a forum. This is how stupid these people are. They're trying to tax themselves out of business. These operations, reddit and dig and all those other things, anyone who's ever had something linked to dig knows this, gives you thousands and thousands and thousands of readers that you wouldn't have otherwise had under any circumstances whatsoever. So you want to tax them out of business so you're fading

28:32 model, your fading business model which is in the toilet already is going to worsen because you're a fucking idiot. John C. DuBois acts at V-Bub Day. Nice one. Well timed. Um, you know, This show would be a lot shorter if we could only do headlines though. It would be a lot easier for us. We'd just be like... We're essentially... We'd be like, in the morning, John, report WHO overstated H1N1 threat. In the morning. Hope a pill to banish bad memories. In the morning. A couple douchebags in there would help. So, most of this is fair use that they're trying to tax. It's horse manure. Yeah.

CHAPTER 12 / 35 Discussion

Journalist Licensing, Consumer Electronics Taxes

The hosts predict a future move toward licensing journalists to restrict freedom of the press. They discuss a Washington Times report regarding potential taxes on consumer electronics like iPads and Kindles to fund a national local news fund and an "AmeriCorps for reporters." This "news tax" would also extend to radio and television spectrum advertising.

licensing· washington times· americorps· ipad· kindle

29:15 Well, but it's interesting because that's a draft proposal from the FTC. They've had a number of weird things, but it's just more more internet bad get rid of the internet well you know here's what here's the here's my little prediction you're gonna see this will crop up it's already cropped up once or twice it'll crop up over and over they're gonna try to license journalists oh yeah yeah oh yeah because then you'll be efficient you know do you remember there was a time when you had an official an official international press card and you could not get in anywhere unless you had one and i think that this was handed out by i want to say like united nations or or the uh... some what was the wasn't like a united nations of press corps at one point and it was it was like a red hardcover almost like a passport size thing and that was your official press card if you didn't have that you were a journalist clearly you never had one the problem is we have what's called a constitution and we have a bill of rights and in there it says you do the right to uh...

30:19 freedom of the press and it's not defined in such a way that it doesn't include blogs and everything else. Anyone can be a member of the press if they just want to report. Well, that's all it is. And I think that this freedom, I think that somebody should take on this camera thing as a freedom of the press issue. Because all the guy's doing is reporting on his situation. He's recording a cop standing there pulling his gun, waving it around like a big shot. And he's got it on tape, he puts it on YouTube and says it's a news report. Well, how is this not a news report? So the report also, this again, Washington Times, so I take this, you know, with

31:00 With some authority, the report also discusses the possibility of offering tax exemptions to news organizations, establishing an AmeriCorps for reporters and creating a national fund for local news organizations. The money for those benefits would come from a new suite of taxes. A 5% tax on consumer electronic devices such as iPads, Kindles and laptops that let consumers read the news, allow the slaves to read the news, And this could be used to encourage people to keep reading the dead tree version of the news. Well, this is the Washington Times. Other taxes might be levied on radio and television spectrum advertising and on cell phones.

CHAPTER 13 / 35 Discussion

British Television License, BBC Funding Enforcement

In the United Kingdom, residents are required to pay an annual television license fee of approximately 350 pounds to fund the BBC. Adam Curry shares an anecdote about his daughter receiving threatening letters from enforcement agencies after her payment card was declined. The segment explains how the UK uses database tracking and detector vans to find unlicensed television users.

bbc· television license· united kingdom· tax· enforcement

31:42 We just gotta keep our eye on this, man. This is the kind of stuff that you wake up one day and you're thinking about Lindsay Lohan and then before you know it, it's like, hey, wait a minute, I need a license for this all of a sudden. Yeah, well, you know, licenses like the British with their, you know, you can't have it. Americans always forget that in England you have to have a license for a television set in your home? Yes, it's like 350 pounds a year. And it's, and it's, uh, that's for at least one television set. You can get one only for radio. or the wireless but then you know the and and and uh if you have two tvs do you have to pay for two of them no no just one my poor daughter though so she this is how kids think so i think that she has a a big flat screen tv that was part of the household that got divided so that's in her flat

32:33 And the aerial broke or something because she has that free view. So you can basically stick a wire in the air and you can get digital TV. But I guess the aerial broke or maybe something went wrong, no reception. And she got convinced that it's because she didn't pay her television license tax. I'm like, baby. This is a she ever taken one science course in her life Well give the kid a break, but here's the worst thing So then she goes and she's like, okay and you know and she goes to pay for the tax which is 350 pounds She hasn't she comes up like 20 pounds short. And so her card gets Declined I only found this out yesterday because I keep telling her do not do not waste your money They don't know where you are gives a crap

33:18 But because she did that and it got declined, she's receiving very threatening letters. We know where you are. You're in the... literally, you're in the database. We know where you are. You must pay now. So now she has to pay for it. So you were thinking that she could get away with not paying because she was in a block of places that they couldn't identify? Because you know they have these... Yeah, they have these trucks that roam around and identify, I know. But you know, I just wanted to save the kid a couple hundred pounds. Me, essentially. Now I gotta pay for it. Now you got her in trouble. And if you don't pay for it, it's like a thousand pound fine or something. But that money does go to fund the BBC, in all honesty.

34:02 That's what it's for. The British Bread Corporation. So I've been watching, now you were out and I don't think you were watching, you were on some college drunken stupor weekend, whatever. I don't think you were watching a lot of C-SPAN, let's put it that way. No, but you have a C-SPAN, coincidentally I have a C-SPAN clip that's kind of unique. Oh, can I do mine first? I don't, I'm not in a hurry. Okay. So the president, you know, even his, as you know, I'm a big fan of the weekly address from our president and he's in Louisiana and he's doing it from a shrimping boat. And so the, yeah, I'm not kidding. Yeah, really. And so isn't the greenest green? So the president... Was he throwing water in his face? No.

CHAPTER 14 / 35 Discussion

Deepwater Horizon Moratorium, Louisiana Economic Impact

Representative Charlie Melancon and other Louisiana officials express concern over the federal moratorium on deepwater drilling following the BP oil spill. While the seafood industry is impacted, officials argue the drilling ban will have a more devastating and permanent effect on the local economy. They claim thousands of jobs in catering, fabrication, and rig operation are at risk as equipment moves to other countries.

bp oil spill· louisiana· drilling moratorium· c-span· charlie melancon

34:51 Well this is what's interesting, so the president's down there... Is the wind machine on? Let me finish. The wind machine. So the president's down there. He's down there for the past week. And, you know, and it's all about shrimping and fishery and tourism and shrimping and fishery. And he's having some shrimp with a shrimping company. And of course, it's horrible because of this oil spill. There's no shrimping going on. And I don't know if they can't shrimp or they're not allowed to shrimp. It doesn't matter. The shrimping industry is completely destroyed. But what interests me is this little ditty. Now it's about two minutes. I do want to play the whole thing. This is Representative Melanchon, and he represents a parish.

35:41 in Louisiana and he sat down. It was on C-SPAN, it was really interesting. It was almost like a flip video cam. There was only one camera shot in a council meeting room or something. It was really kind of an unprofessional thing. So again, the scene all week long is the president's down there, the shrimpers are screwed, the seafood industry is screwed. And this guy actually tells it like it is when you realize that the petroleum industry started in 1947 in Louisiana that the drilling ban that has been called out, an immediate drilling ban is actually going to, well there's another representative here who says is going to kill people.

36:23 And that's probably the plan, he says. First let's listen to this representative as he is talking about the atrocity of the drilling ban. And it's interesting to listen to this. Are you pleased with the federal government's response now? This is the C-SPAN reporter. Kim has suggested that we're tripling our assets. The thing, and this is me, and this is not for Congressman Melissa, But what's going to hurt Terrebonne Paris the worst right now is the moratorium and the ban on drilling. Please understand that Terrebonne has worked with the oil field and the seafood industry for years. A lot of people go from seafood to oil field, oil field to seafood, and right now

37:06 The economic impact on the fishing industry is survivable. BP has been coming in and making claims. We believe that the response is getting to be better, that we think that there's, at least if they can cap it, that there may be some hope for the future for our fishing industry. Our biggest problem right now is the Hall Field Ban, where they've discontinued drilling and that's... 500 feet is the maximum that they're letting. And we had somebody that was at 1,000 feet drilling in 1,000 feet of water. The other day, they only had 2,000 feet left to go, and they were told to cease and desist. All these rigs are very expensive. The horizon was $500,000 a day.

37:58 There's no way that it's going to be sitting around for six months and what's going to happen, they're going to have to go to other countries. Once they're there, they're not going to move back at the end of six months. It's going to be a horrendous impact in our area. And right now, easily, We're going to have many, many thousands of people that will be impacted. And I'd be willing to bet that at least 60% of my parish, and I have 120,000 people, are directly or indirectly affected by the hog field. 60%. 60%. That's what I would think. Meaning employed?

38:38 Or directly or indirectly. Understand they have outfield people that work on the rigs, they have boat companies, they have catering companies, they have machine shops, fabrication yards that build the rigs. All of this is going to come to a screeching halt and there is, and this is the critical thing, with BP or the spill, they have a resource to go to. on this moratorium, it's not compensable by anybody. So this is a loss that we're going to have. And this, the off-field drilling is without question such a significant problem that it will affect my community and my parish more at this time than the off-spill will. So then we have

CHAPTER 15 / 35 Discussion

St. Bernard Parish, Oil Spill Alarmism

St. Bernard Parish President Craig Taffaro claims the federal response to the oil spill suggests a plan to let the region "die." The hosts criticize the media's alarmist coverage, specifically the fear that the entire ocean will be filled with oil. They also discuss the unpredictability of the upcoming hurricane season and its potential effect on the dispersed oil.

craig taffaro· st. bernard parish· hurricane season· oil spill· alarmism

39:30 the St. Bernard Parish president, Craig Taffaro, I don't have audio from him unfortunately, he says quote, I would be betting the plan is to let us die. I think that's the plan. Yeah, the guy comes right out and says it. He says you know they just want to kill us. I mean so I don't understand economically speaking what I'm hearing is And of course it's just a couple guys, but they're parish presidents saying, you know, yes, it's survivable. The seafood industry will get over it, but a lot of people certainly in seasons, you know, the big money. And if you fly over this Louisiana coastline, I mean, it's all petroleum. I mean, that's what the industry is there. But why is everyone being focused on the sea? I mean, sure, it sucks what's happening.

40:24 But you can't just like shut it all down for a number of reasons. One of them being people are gonna starve. Yeah, let's guess Obama's idea of a jobs program. Hey, so I don't know. It's just it's a sorry situation. You know one of the things that I don't know, it's just so poorly handled on every level. Everybody's an alarmist, you know, especially the people in Congress. Oh, and then all the news media, they're running around like chickens with their heads cut off like, oh, hell's gonna break loose. We had someone in the office the other day say, ask me the question, I won't say who it is. At our office? Yeah. Yeah. Asked me the question, do you think it's gonna, are we gonna be able to stop it? And if they don't stop it, will all the oceans just be filled with oil?

41:14 Oh gee, I love Jersey Joe but man. No that wasn't Jersey Joe. That must have been Eddie then. No, no that would be something Eddie might think but no. It's a good guess. I love Eddie. Okay, doesn't really matter. yes uh... there are people who say we don't understand public is freaked out i mean the demand that how much it affects uh... and then it like hurricane season has been zero you said something really good on uh... the vorac horowitz on plugged where and it's funny to hear uh... horowitz he makes me laugh because he'd be like well you know hurricane season is coming in you went like it's not like football season it's not like on day one all of a sudden the football game starts and then horowitz immediately turns he's like you're pussy he's like yeah you're right yeah well yes of course it's not right i was like laughing you should listen to that bit again it's genius

42:11 But anyway, yeah, no, that is the point. Is that we could hurricane season, yeah, it starts, we're gonna see a hurricane in the next 10 years for all we know. We're gonna see a thousand of them. I mean, it doesn't mean anything. It's meaningless. And, uh... So what you're saying is that, no, the oceans will not be ruined by this oil? No, that you can't do the math to make them ruined. I mean, somebody's got to do some calculations here. I mean, it's going to be a mess in that area, and if a hurricane does come through, you know, nobody knows what's going to happen. It may actually just distribute the droplets of crap all over this, you know, everywhere from all of Louisiana throughout the Mississippi, Alabama, for all we know, one drop or two, like,

CHAPTER 16 / 35 Discussion

BP Conspiracy Theories, Transocean CEO Bollywood Dance

The hosts discuss a conspiracy theory involving BP, Shell, and Halliburton fighting over oil veins that allegedly connect to Bolivia. They also mock Transocean CEO Steven Newman for a video showing him performing a Bollywood dance at a company event. The segment questions the professional judgment of high-level executives engaging in such public displays during a crisis.

bp· shell· halliburton· transocean· steven newline

42:54 bee droppings, who knows? It could make a worse mess, it could make a, it may clean it up. I mean, nobody has a clue. So I did hear a very crazy story about how this all went down. A total nut job conspiracy and I actually have it linked, we can put it on noagendatv.com because it's a YouTube video. Here's the story how it went down. That BP, which in this story claims is actually owned by Shell, and I'm not quite sure how that works and I didn't do any of the research. Doesn't sound right. Doesn't sound right to me either, which is why my hairs went like hmm okay. But you know Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, she's a very wealthy woman and she's of course a Bilderberger and a global elitist and just don't like her. And

43:43 So what the story is that the transocean was there drilling so deep they were drilling down into the vein that actually is a part of the oil in Bolivia and that that is a Halliburton well in Bolivia. And that Halliburton got all pissed off that they were basically tapping out their oil at that depth that then they sent black water over to go blow up the transocean. I thought so too. I'm like, well, you know, you don't know man, if you're like 30,000 feet, you know, who knows? You could be drilling into Australian oil for all I know. Wow. But I do know that the, that where they were, the vein, um, I think I mentioned this before is like on some,

44:26 long to longitudinal, it would be longitudinal or latitudinal, parallel that the pyramids are on and there's all kinds of geographic stuff. But I thought that was kind of interesting that this is actually the oil cabal fighting it out amongst themselves. You never know. So that guy who owns Transocean, and there's a clip of him on the blog, devorek.org slash blog, dancing with a bunch of Hindi, you know, Bollywood actresses on the stage of, I guess, his board meeting or his shareholders meeting or something. Oh really? Steven Newman?

45:03 Yeah, did you see it there? Hold on a second. That looks pretty good actually. A Bollywood dance. But this guy's an idiot. Okay, hold on a second. Why does the CEO do this? Because he's going to endear himself to somebody so he can go out there and look like a fool? Well, I'm waiting for it to play. Trans Ocean president and CEO Steven Newman performs a Bollywood dance after the company's Indian division achieved top safety warning targets Oh totally All right, oh yeah, the girls are hot holy moly. This is like this would be like Steve Ballmer doing this

CHAPTER 17 / 35 Discussion

Global Disaster Fund, G20 Summit Security

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has called for a global fund to fight ecological catastrophes, a topic set for the G20 summit in Canada. The hosts criticize the billion-dollar security budget for the summit and note that Bill Gates is reportedly attending the Bilderberg meeting in Spain. They suggest that global elites are becoming increasingly afraid of public scrutiny and citizen journalism.

dmitry medvedev· g20· canada· bill gates· bilderberg

45:53 Why do white guys bomber has a track record for doing stupid white guys do this? No, I mean, I think you mean it makes you look foolish and what's the point is making yourself look foolish and daring to anybody No, oh what a character. Oh, he's so cool. It's just one of the Probably all those Russian friends in the in the audience. Hey, yeah, yeah, but I'll take number two with a girl on the left. Oh Which one do you end Vladimir I get that one on the other side meanwhile Russian president Dmitry Medvedev Saturday called for a global fund to fight ecological catastrophes Yeah, that's what we want more global stuff man. He said the global fund was needed to ensure and reinsure against the risk of such disasters

46:48 In some cases the richest companies and even the big countries would not have sufficient funds to fight their consequences This is like you just pile jumping now a and by the way this issue will be raised at the G20 summit in Canada later this month where they're spending what a billion dollars in security is that what a waste of the taxpayers money yeah, it's it's hey you guys you know if you went to Iceland and To Vestmann Island, for example, and had your meeting there, you wouldn't have a lot of protesters. I think you gotta be careful, man. These Icelanders are pretty pissed off still, so... Well, you'd have some Iceland protesters, but, eh, you know, they'd rather drink at the bar on Friday nights. No, I disagree. I think the I- Okay, well, let's think of some other places. Places you can go in the world that you won't have to have this sort of security.

47:44 Like Catalonia, you can go to Sitges in Spain. Oh, I'm sorry, the place is already booked by the Bilderbergs. Well, they don't stay there for that long. They well, they've got a builder burgers have some outrageous amount of security money's being spent to its ridiculous Yeah, this is these guys maybe develop some secret meeting or something. I mean it had to advertise the thing what I understood Bill Gates is attending this year, but he with the builder burger. Yeah, but he why why It's a drinking club, John. He likes to drink. Why? Because he's the chief eugenicist. His idea is to kill everybody. This Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is no good.

48:29 Until we get into the educational, but he went coming up, but he went to yeah right along with your book so he went to a Things get done. He flew in he said yeah, I'm going to a medical conference and there was no medical conference and Said well, no, I'm actually here for the Bilderberg meeting he'd like faked fake that was going to a meeting because no one wants to show up and People the the elites are now afraid because people are standing around and yelling at them and taking video and and They don't want to they don't that's what they should do have the thing in Maryland. You can't take video You can't stand around. Yeah, well, you know, why do you think they're making these cameras illegal?

CHAPTER 18 / 35 Discussion

Bilderberg Group, Media Non-Disclosure Agreements

The hosts criticize media executives from organizations like Time Warner and NBC for attending Bilderberg meetings without reporting on the proceedings. They argue that signing non-disclosure agreements is unconscionable for journalists and serves to keep the public in the dark about global elite agendas. The segment also includes a brief technical discussion on microphone pop filters.

bilderberg· time warner· nbc· journalism· non-disclosure agreement

49:09 Oh, there's a cop next to him. Oh, you can't videotape him. Now that would be illegal because it's a weapon. I see the cops beating the crap out of that guy. Now he's kicking him. Oh, you can't, no video of that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So the only thing, and I do just want to touch on Bilderberg for a minute because this is the first time that I can remember that we're really seeing some real reporting more in Gitmo Nation East Press. I mean, it's not like you're seeing this on the nightly news. I mean, they could just say, Hey, you know the Bilderberg meeting is going on and all these luminaries showed up, you know, that would be a fair report, you know, they don't have to say anything. They don't even do that because, you know, the first rule of Bilderberg is you don't talk about Bilderberg. But the thing that galls me is that you have these top

49:51 Guys from like Time Warner, NBC, you know, lots of media companies and they go there but there's no reporting. You know, that's lame. That's like signing a non-disclosure agreement. Yeah, we'll come to your meeting, we'll talk about whatever, but we promise not to report on it. I mean, that's bogus. That's just bogus. I think it's unconscionable for a journalist to sign a non-disclosure under any circumstances. Well, so I'm sure that this is... I mean the non-disclosure here is like, listen, you will not talk about it or else... you catch my drift? Well, that would be... I would sign that, yeah. Yeah. Alright, how about your C-SPAN clip? How do you like my microphone, by the way? I don't know, but you went to... your volume dropped to like nothing. Oh, really?

50:42 I want to thank the producers of this program because I totally purchased this microphone with your funds and I shall purchase pantyhose to go with it next. You know, the kind of... I use the pop filters that are made out of a mesh that has an angle to it. I'm trying to figure out how this stuff works. I think the pantyhose works pretty good but these mesh ones are better because I think more sound comes through, it doesn't muffle it. But what it does is it takes the angle of the puffing were you popping your pees? Oh and it deflects it. It pushes it down. That's why they have to actually be about four inches away from the mic. Yeah, well I have the... Because I had it up too close and it was popping the pees. I asked this thing popping the pees? It's because it wasn't far enough back to push the air down. Right. Now I have just the old school that has a swan neck on it and I just can't find it. It's somewhere in one of my boxes.

CHAPTER 19 / 35 Discussion

Tom Vilsack, USDA Rural Revitalization Plan

USDA Secretary Tom Vilsack appeared on C-SPAN to discuss a new framework for revitalizing the rural economy. The hosts identify Vilsack as a shill for agribusiness giants like Monsanto, noting his focus on "production agriculture" and "ecosystem markets." The plan includes expanding broadband technology and promoting renewable energy industries in small towns.

tom vilsack· usda· monsanto· broadband· carbon markets

51:41 C-SPAN. Now what was the point of playing that? That's your cue for your C-SPAN clip. Oh, okay well I got the guy his name is uh what's it say on there? Wizak? Willsack. I just spelled it wrong. Willsack is the Department of Agriculture guy and besides the fact that he keeps using the word opportunity listen to how many times he- Isn't he the guy from Monsanto? Well, he's the guy from Iowa and I think he may have been really look at my boy while you were playing this clip. He has got the Essentially, this is the beginning of an interview with him on C-SPAN and but I found it interesting because when he kind of introduced himself Off of a very lame question. He listed all the talking points that we can expect over the next year or two which include taxing the farmer to death

52:38 uh... but not calling it that calling an opportunity because we're gonna have to you know ted uh... cap and trade energy tax all these other things we have bigger farms in any twists and words around on on the way with with a big farm is and how we should get to know our producers and it's just a crazy twisted opportunity ridden bunch of talking points that just diners don't see any hope with this administration is clown where you're leading this effort and why. Sure. The summit was an opportunity for us to first and foremost educate America about the important role that rural America plays for all of us. It is the supply of inexpensive, affordable, quality food. It's the supply of water that we drink and rely on. It helps to make us energy independent and at the same time it's a substantial percentage of our military comes from these small towns. So it's important that there be a vibrant economy in rural America to support families.

53:34 Sadly, for the last several decades, we've seen a decline in rural America, an aging population, persistent poverty, a fairly significant distinction between per capita income. And so the Obama administration has decided to put a new framework in place to sort of revitalize the rural economy. And it's based on a couple of fundamental principles. One is that production agriculture is important to the country and it's important to rural America, so we have to continue to expand markets, both domestically and foreign. That's why our Know Your Farmer, Know Your Food effort is trying to link people with local production and local consumers. Does he work for Whole Foods? Well the one thing he says when he talks about production agriculture, he's talking about the big farm.

54:18 Yeah, he's talking about big factories. Yeah, factory farms. And then he says, and then he slips it over right to the next sentence. He says, uh, then we're going to, we want to, that's why we're pushing, uh, it forces production agriculture. And then he says, that's why we're pushing. Know your farmer, know your producer, uh, which makes no sense. It's almost a non sequitur. He's just throwing these things out. He talks about water, he talks about families, he talks about the military. I mean, he's throwing every buzzword he can. Says opportunity a few more times, as you'll see. And it's just like, is this whole administration just a bunch of blowhards that they have two agendas. One is to screw us with cap and trade, and the other one is to just, you know,

55:00 tax tax tax or know your farmer know your food effort is trying to link people with local production and local consumers we recognize that there's a 21st century infrastructure that needs to be expanded in rural america that's broadband technology it's important that we expand the bio broadband technology that's important john we need broadband technology on renewable energy industry it's necessary for us to do a better job of working with conservation to make sure that those outdoor recreational opportunities are enhanced and finally this whole notion of ecosystem markets, carbon markets, water markets are opportunities to put new capital into rural America all of which designed to revitalize the economy and really give a sense of opportunity where we've been struggling for several years. Tom Vilsack has a glowing reputation as being a shill for agribusiness biotech giants like, oh yes, Monsanto

CHAPTER 20 / 35 Discussion

Super Weeds, Pesticide Resistance in Agriculture

Farmers in the Southern United States are facing an "agricultural arms race" against pesticide-resistant super weeds. These plants have evolved resistance to Monsanto's Roundup Ready system, creating a nightmare for large-scale agribusiness. The hosts discuss how these genetic traits are spreading through the environment, complicating traditional farming practices.

super weeds· roundup ready· monsanto· evolutionary genetics· pesticides

55:55 Sustainable ag advocated across the country were spreading the word of Vilsack's history as he was attempting to appeal to voters in his presidential bid. Apparently he is a big fan of genetically engineered pharmaceutical crops, especially... Oh, there's a whole bunch of links here, I should drop that in. Yeah, this is the shill. This is the Monsanto shill. And he, what is it, tell me what it means, outdoor recreational opportunity. What does that mean? It's that little patch of grass. He says we want to make sure outdoor recreational opportunities are enhanced.

56:32 and you put a but toilet in there and what does that mean i think he gets it i think he deserves that one was so meanwhile he'd what he should be addressing the chris they brought into to reporters who are of the new era style they can't seem to ask anything that's actually interesting uh... now we've got Super weeds threat to mega agriculture farmers are across the South find themselves in an agricultural arms race with pesticide resistant super weeds Observers like Anna LaPay are pointing out that as farmers and consumers are paying the price of agribusiness power to silence those pointing out the mere basic fact fact of evolutionary genetics that plants evolve resistance and

57:21 The advent of Monsanto's Roundup Ready seeds genetically engineered to blah blah blah, we know all that. Anyways, apparently some weeds are like getting through and the next thing you know they're breeding and you can't kill them and we're also finding other farmers complaining about these genes getting into all the different plants and it's just a nightmare. This is a nightmare. Yeah. What can I say? Thanks for your support. Yeah, I know, I mean, I don't want... You know what? Okay, hit the real news... Actually, let's mention some donors. Okay. Since we're taking a break and we'll talk... I got a real news thing that would be kind of interesting. Yeah, we need to get out of the bummed-out mode for a moment here. Yeah, you know, we're depressing people. Yeah.

CHAPTER 21 / 35 Discussion

Public Broadcasting Revenue, PBS Underwriting

The hosts contrast their listener-supported model with PBS and NPR, which receive government funding and corporate underwriting. They reference a recent interview with a public broadcasting executive who described five different revenue streams, including what the hosts characterize as "straight-up advertising" disguised as sponsorship.

pbs· npr· underwriting· advertising· revenue streams

58:07 So some people that apparently aren't depressed, somebody mentioned a few people that donated, contributed, became producers and everything else in between, helped us out on the show. We need your help. This is a user supported show, a listener supported. We do the show because you Pay us, donate, contribute, help us with volunteer work and the rest of it to do the show. We're not like the National Treasure, PBS or NPR which take money from big corporations. Right, and then gouge the listener. That woman who we always laugh about, who talks about advertising, call it whatever you want it, she was at the D conference.

58:48 Yeah, and so they only had one little clip. So I'm hoping they release her whole interview She says they have five revenue streams five and like how does that work? What are they? Well, they would have a government right West why instead David in it would have the straight-up advertisers like Ford right which he calls under foundations Well, no, that's underwriting She calls that a revenue stream. No, she calls it all underwriting. Remember she said call it underwriting or whatever you want, advertising, sponsorship. That's one revenue stream for her. I think maybe she's to make her, I don't know, I have no idea where we have to find the whole speech. Yes. It was not a speech that was being questioned. Yeah, they put it like... What did they even put her on for?

59:32 some feel-good thing oh it was about feel good about our digital conference and bring in some public broadcaster yeah I think I think it was that we did we do need to that they're not doing partnerships with local local newspapers or some some who we like that just to control it I presume you did she throw a carbonite ad right and i was speech by the way you know it back it up and uh... one of the things we've done here pbs metro backing up which is what we need to back it up you use the code you know whatever okay so we have a bunch of uh... died who layaway as it came in this week again that course doro friend travis wayne chris abraham tristan lennon and mike westerfield and then donors include that casey boatman who gave us fifty dollars dean carson from uh...

1:00:24 South Australia Australia 55 and he said He hoped this doesn't get me a job. It's kind of a twisted logic But but apparently a good luck for him is not working as in not working Gertz automation are Chad Gertz actually Chad Gertz from Vancouver, Washington Hold on a second. Let's I know what to do here. I'm prepared for this one stay with me It's your birthday, birthday On No Agenda That's your cue. This is Victoria Gertz's 15th birthday on June 7th with the comment, whenever we go on a road trip, Victoria always insists we listen to No Agenda or else she will not go. Yes! She is a winner. Yes! Victoria Gertz, happy birthday. It's your birthday, yeah

CHAPTER 22 / 35 Discussion

Listener Birthdays, Puerto Rico Birth Certificate Scam

The hosts celebrate the birthdays of listeners Victoria Gertz and Raul Torres. Torres highlights a new policy in Puerto Rico that invalidates all birth certificates issued before July 1, 2010, ostensibly to combat identity theft. The hosts label this a "money-making scam," as citizens must pay five dollars for new documents by providing sensitive personal information through the mail.

victoria gertz· raul torres· puerto rico· birth certificates· identity theft

59:32 some feel-good thing oh it was about feel good about our digital conference and bring in some public broadcaster yeah I think I think it was that we did we do need to that they're not doing partnerships with local local newspapers or some some who we like that just to control it I presume you did she throw a carbonite ad right and i was speech by the way you know it back it up and uh... one of the things we've done here pbs metro backing up which is what we need to back it up you use the code you know whatever okay so we have a bunch of uh... died who layaway as it came in this week again that course doro friend travis wayne chris abraham tristan lennon and mike westerfield and then donors include that casey boatman who gave us fifty dollars dean carson from uh...

1:00:24 South Australia Australia 55 and he said He hoped this doesn't get me a job. It's kind of a twisted logic But but apparently a good luck for him is not working as in not working Gertz automation are Chad Gertz actually Chad Gertz from Vancouver, Washington Hold on a second. Let's I know what to do here. I'm prepared for this one stay with me It's your birthday, birthday On No Agenda That's your cue. This is Victoria Gertz's 15th birthday on June 7th with the comment, whenever we go on a road trip, Victoria always insists we listen to No Agenda or else she will not go. Yes! She is a winner. Yes! Victoria Gertz, happy birthday. It's your birthday, yeah

1:01:26 Oh, that's so cool. She has nothing but success written all over her. That's right. She will go on to great things. And we have, I think, another birthday. I don't know if it's in this list, but anyway, let's finish off. We've got David Habedank in Placerville, which is a cool little town, who... I just... There we go. Hey, John and Adam, I'm donating in order to out Scott Sanstead as a douchebag. Let me be clear though, I demand that any karma resulting from this will go towards finding Scott a job. Also a woman and a fuller head of hair.

1:02:11 Well, the hair thing we don't have much control over. We can get you laid though if you get a credit, if you get an associate producer credit that does seem to work. You can put on your business card and say, hey, how you doing, baby? Definitely. And let's see, where was I? Anyway, so that's 55, two nickels on the dime. Also, Raul Torres, Indianapolis, Indiana, two nickels on the dime. June 6th is his 38th birthday. It's your birthday, birthday On NOA Agenda When is that? On June what? Sixth today. Oh my god, how old is he? He's 38, big ones. Well, happy birthday my friend from John and Adam and all your friends at the NOA Agenda Show. It's your birthday, yeah

1:03:00 So he's got an interesting little thing that we have not documented. By the way, he wants to de-douche himself. Can you do that for him, please? You've been de-douched. He's pissed at the U.S. Commonwealth of Puerto Rico for making all birth certificates invalid if they're issued prior to July 1st, 2010 in order to combat identity theft. This is a money-making scam at $5 a pop to get new ones by merely filling out a form and mailing a photocopy of your driver's license. That sounds like a complete and total scam. Yeah, it is. Because everybody is a good number of people that you know not everybody will get one. They're just I mean if all I do is keep the old one telling to screw themselves.

1:03:46 But, uh, anyway, that's all we got. Is that along while you're filming the officer? Yeah. We do have one more birthday, I believe. Oh, really? Well, there's something here. Let me get it. Uh, pretty soon we're going to start requesting birth certificates and proof. The birthday is, uh, Ivan is sending a note last show, um, to Jaco. J.Coe, this is 35th birthday.

CHAPTER 23 / 35 Discussion

Ziff Davis Sale, No Agenda Business Model

Ziff Davis has reportedly been sold to an investment firm looking to create an online media "megalith." The hosts discuss how their independent business model is unattractive to large media buyers because it does not generate traditional corporate profits. They encourage listeners to continue supporting the show through donations to maintain its independence.

ziff davis· bug magazine· media acquisition· donations· executive producers

1:04:24 He's in Croatia. First time donor for one and only reason, it's for my buddy Jaco's 35th birthday. I'd like to ask you to call him out as a douchebag. Since he hasn't yet donated, also congratulate him on his birthday. The big softie will appreciate it. Cheers from Croatia. Also, write it for Bug Magazine. The best in the world. Which magazine? Bug. Oh, is that what you write for too? Yeah. Oh cool. Hey, Ziff Davis got sold. Yeah. Ziff Davis is a great, it's not a magazine anymore so I can say that Bug is the best in the world. Yeah, Ziff Davis is all online. Yeah, it got sold to a, I haven't found out the details yet but it was just sold to a- An Indian guy, an Indian guy at an investment firm. He's buying up all kinds of media properties. Yeah, they're trying to create an online media megalith. Oh boy.

1:05:19 Well, you know, they only only just time before they buy us, John. Well, the problem is our business model is not appropriate for most of these seats. It sucks. Yeah, it's not appropriate because it doesn't really make enough money for them. No, we're barely getting by and we hope people will donate at Dvorak.org slash NA. Noagendershow.com. Click on the donation button which takes you to Dvorak.org slash NA and also ChannelDvorak.com slash NA for the next show. We'll appreciate it. Hopefully we get a few more executive producers and they get their money's worth. We also need some more stories about how well the karma has done for you individually.

1:05:59 And if you'd like to support the stream, of course we had the Dvorak interlude extravaganza today to keep everybody happy. A lot of people were listening on the stream. We need support for that as well. You get Dvorak Horowitz unplugged, you get the interludes, you get no agenda, you get daily source code, looking at acquiring some more programming for the stream. uh... sustaining producers are listed and no agenda stream dot com as well as founding producers you name on the list and uh... donate go to do more at dot org slash and a s for channel to work dot com slash and a s november alpha sierra and uh... yes sorry so i got a couple clips i've got uh... this is the real news segment of the show i think i just want to a real news thing i just thought it was a

CHAPTER 25 / 35 Discussion

Australian UFO Spiral, Falcon 9 Rocket Launch

A mysterious spiraling light seen across Eastern Australia is linked to the launch of a private Falcon 9 rocket from Florida. While some observers estimated the object's speed at 20,000 kilometers per hour, experts suggest it was a spent rocket stage venting fuel in the upper atmosphere. John Dvorak shares his own experiences viewing missile launches from Vandenberg Air Force Base.

ufo· australia· falcon 9· spacex· vandenberg air force base

1:09:17 Yeah, did you see this video of the UFO spiral over eastern Australia? Get Monatian, man. They're on the map now. They had a spiral. Yeah, they had a spiral. Yeah, is anybody out there documented? Did any of our listeners ever seen one of these spirals? I would like to hear from them. Send me an email. Okay. Because these things could be all photoshopped for all I know. Well, yeah, could be. But if you don't want to get to new, you want to talk about that a little more, I might do a deconstruction of a new story. Well this is kind of related, you know, this story, there's like four or five different stories in Australia about this spiral. A lot of people saw it and there's YouTube videos of it and so I think that, I mean, it's a spiral. And the headline, a mysterious ball of light seen across eastern Australia early yesterday may be linked to the launch of a private spacecraft.

1:10:12 So we had our first private use of the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, a Falcon 9 rocket, which I don't know anything about. Whose was it? What was it carrying? I haven't done any research on us, honestly, but right after that, in Queensland, New South Wales, people started reporting a UFO spiraling, estimated at 20,000 kilometers per hour. I don't know who came up with that estimate. Going in a west to east direction were indeed consistent with a spent rocket grazing the earth's upper atmosphere But it looks a lot like you know a spiral

1:10:53 Yeah, well you know, these are new it seems to me, so there's something screwy going on. Maybe this has to do with the kind of motors they're using on these rockets, I don't know. All I know is that over the years, where I'm located, every once in a while the Vandenberg Air Force Base, which is a missile launching place, they have some big ones. They launch some of the big boys. Yeah, secret shit too. And a lot of secret stuff. They shoot essentially over the Bay Area. And I've actually seen it at least twice. I'd like to get a listing of it somebody else. Oh, you didn't get video John How come you didn't grab your camera? Exactly. That's why people don't do it because you go you it's amazing you get so anyway you get to watch it and you see it's like you talk about a Con trail this is a smoke trail that's like unbelievably big it goes over and you can watch the the second stage go off. That's the cool part and

CHAPTER 26 / 35 Discussion

Guatemala Sinkhole, Mars Comparison

A 15-year-old listener from India named Rajdeep sent photos comparing the massive sinkhole in Guatemala to similar geological features on Mars. The hosts discuss the visual similarities between the two and joke about the possibility of the same technology being used to create holes on both planets.

guatemala· sinkhole· mars· nasa· rajdeep

1:11:48 Because it goes up and he goes up and it's just getting farther far away Then you see a little ping a little flash and then the second stage takes off with a different kind of a plume And the other thing I don't know what happens to it, but it doesn't spiral by any means It just you know drops down and crushes some poor guy in Gurneyville So we have a 15 year old listener from India, right? We have more than we also have a 15 year old it was a birthday. Yes correct but this 15 year old is Rajdeep and he says by the way I can't donate. Here's what he says. I love the show want to donate soon but I just don't have any money plus I'm Indian.

1:12:31 You guys want to perpetuate the me? Knock yourself out. So he says, I think it's a bad idea. He says, he sent a couple pictures and I asked him to send me the link to the second picture. He actually was his dad who got him listening to the show. And he says, my dad hasn't donated yet either because guess what? He's also Indian. And he says the Guatemala sinkhole, he says it looks exactly like these giant holes in Mars. And he sent some pictures, which I guess was NASA material. And I have to say, it looks exactly the same. It's like whatever they're shooting at Mars, they're shooting at Guatemala. I'm like, this kid will go far. This is a good little kid.

CHAPTER 27 / 35 Discussion

Media Bias Analysis, Jobs Report Discrepancies

A listener provides a deconstruction of a Reuters headline to demonstrate how word choices like "pounced" and "to cast doubt" create a slanted narrative. The hosts also discuss the discrepancy between the White House's claim of job growth and Wall Street's negative reaction to the weaker-than-expected jobs report. They argue that the numbers are inflated by temporary census hiring.

reuters· media bias· jobs report· barack obama· census jobs

1:13:18 Well, that sinkhole is still weird. So, uh, we got a letter from a guy. Unless you want to talk more about the spiral. No, I'm done with the spiral. I felt real good about this letter because we're actually teaching some people to look more carefully. Everybody I talk to that listens to our show, whether they like it or not, they always say, well, at least we're taking a more skeptical look at things instead of just, you know, we're not hooked like fish anymore. Right. So this guy came in with a little thing and I wanted to go over it because I have some comments for him. Here's a headline, this is Jeff Wheeler, here's a headline and subhead I saw on Reuters and after learning from your show how to identify one-sided reporting I saw right away how biased and unfair this was.

1:14:04 And he, I think rightly so, he feels that this has been slanted in the way it's told, the way the story's told, and we talked about this before, toward a Republican or toward a Democratic slant. Here's the story, Reuters, with an eye on November elections. This is very short, there's only a sentence. With an eye on November elections, Republicans pounced on a weaker than expected jobs report on Friday to cast doubt on President Obama's economic leadership and question if his policies would spur enough growth. his interpretation he said he's noticed right away says pounced like a kitten it's a weak word yeah and this one I thought was really good this is outstanding this little thing to cast doubt the word to with to cast doubt implies that it was their intention and they didn't actually do it oh very good I thought that was his best best hit words matter and this by the way we say words matter this is what we're talking about spur enough growth

1:15:01 unquote, the word enough here is double speak. Have you ever had enough growth? It's saying Republicans are so hard to please. So he alternatively wrote it as, with an eye on November's election, Republicans noted in a weaker than expected jobs report on Friday that cast doubt on President Obama's economic leadership and questioned if his policies would spur growth, which is a pretty neutral way of doing it. But I would slant it toward the Republican side just for, to be balanced. And I would, here's what I would do. With the eye on November elections, Republican, instead of noted, said, that's more statement-like rather than just something that's minor. Noted always implies, oh they noted it, I noted it. Said a weaker than expected jobs report on Friday.

1:15:50 see if friday there was friday june fourth and i'm trying to let him try to get a word kit that cast doubt that that that would be eliminated and i would go with a more active uh... were were in the past tense casted doubt should go like uh... expect jobs report on friday but that didn't get friday not that but you can restart over the athletes uh... republicans said in a week and expected jobs report on friday that cast a doubt on President Barack Obama's economic leadership and questioned, it should be, and questioned his policies, questions if his policy would spur any growth. Now that would be the real slanted way of putting it. In other words, instead of if his policy would spur growth, if his policy would spur any growth. And then with question, you might want to take a look at using this usage instead of Obama's economic leadership

1:16:52 and questioned if his policies too, and now questioned if his policies would, and that changes it from past tense to what happened the other day to something more, um... uh... it would be now now is which become kind of a a story because you have a pass is moving toward the present so you're creating kind of a uh... movement you creating a drama and uh... it did brings the readers in a little better and it's the but this is completely slanted the way i wrote of course so what what i can't reconcile is all the financial reporting says weaker than expected jobs report yet the president

1:17:34 is out at Kay Neal International Trucks in Hyattsville, Maryland saying, uh, hey it's working! We added 431,000 jobs! Applause. Fifth month in a row we've seen jobs gains! Applause. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. You know, it's just like, the front page of WhiteHouse.gov is like, what's the headline? It's a great headline. On the road to recovery, during the first month of last year our economy lost an average 750,000 jobs each month. Now new job numbers show that even excluding temporary census jobs in the first five months of this year, the economy has created nearly half a million new jobs. But everyone at Wall Street says exactly the opposite. Somebody's wrong. Yeah, not the Ministry of Truth, John. Well, you know, if you lose 500,000 jobs and you create 400,000 jobs with a net loss of 100,000, you can still say you've created 400,000 jobs.

CHAPTER 28 / 35 Discussion

Flotilla Incident, Intellectual Decline in Media

The hosts address accusations of being "racist fascist assholes" following their analysis of the Israeli-Turkish flotilla incident. They play a clip from writer Emmett Tyrrell regarding the intellectual decline of American journalism and the lack of constructive discourse between opposing political factions. The hosts argue that their goal is to deconstruct PR-driven narratives rather than take sides.

flotilla· israel· turkey· emmett tyrrell· intellectual decline

1:18:35 Right. Anyway. Sliding down the hill. And these of course are census jobs. But first. Which we know... Yeah, and they're census jobs. Yeah, but they were firing people and hiring them three times over. Yeah, it's a scam. Yeah, total scam. So the one thing that was disturbing this past week is I got several emails, a couple of tweets directed at you and I that we are racist, fascist assholes. Because of mainly your analysis of the flotilla incident. What flotilla incident? This is what it's called, the flotilla incident. The Israeli attack on the Turkish ship. And there is... Why are we racist to anything? Well, of course, but this is kind of the whole point. It's like...

1:19:31 There's this huge surge of people online and they're attacking, I mean people are attacking each other quite viciously. It's all words of course. You know, fuck the Jews, fuck the Palestinians, fuck Hamas, fuck Israel, fuck Turkey. It's like we're all fighting. It's like, I think this is what the global elite want us to be doing. It's crazy. It's really, really crazy what's going on. People are getting so outraged. Yeah, they're balkanizing their thought process. You might want to play the intellectual discourse clip from Emmett Turrell, the kind of the right-wing writer.

1:20:12 One of the themes I didn't want to hit too hard in the book because it would just go on and on and on is a theme of intellectual decline in this country, certainly in the culture. Not amongst engineers, not amongst doctors, but amongst journalists and people in the humanities. There's been an enormous intellectual decline and I don't think I don't think we want... I've given up on the culture smog. liberal media. I mean, you and I have been around long enough to know that there was a day when the Washington Post and the New York Times were interested in some disagreement. It took place in the 1970s. But by the 1980s, they found out they didn't have to enter into conversation with us. And you'll note at this table here, there's not a liberal. They wouldn't come. We couldn't invite them to engage us.

1:21:05 I know you are, that's what, you're a true neoconservative, but my point is the intellectual debate in this country has become a monologue on one side or the other. And on their side, there's no way we're ever going to engage them. And I gave up on them a long time ago. The point I make at the end of the book is we've established our own counterculture. Yeah, but he didn't go all the way with it. The fact is, it's more than just the two groups. Now you have the liberals and the conservatives that don't talk to each other, that are kind of like the Democrats and the Republicans generally. And then, because there's no peacemakers in Congress or in the culture.

1:21:52 They just attack each other. And then you have these, you know, which is a lot of this, by the way, might stem from the Israeli-Palestinian impasse, which when I was in college, you know, decades ago, this was going on. It hasn't changed a bit. and it was the then they you would see at the university california out there on sprawl plaza there would be these that israeli commonly there'd be will always be at least daily one israeli and one palestinian standing across from each other or a daily is yelling uh... at each other regret get a little crowd usually and they would be talking over each other's heads they wanted me to why would be listening to the other days the yelling

1:22:34 and that seems to have that this this particular impasse isn't is this just seems to be the theme for the uh... this you know millennium i guess i don't know it's just the dam this thing but but the fact that he would complain about anything we do uh... which is to look into uh... get to the bottom of certain things especially when we make the assumption that everything is driven by PR companies and we have to kind of deconstruct it just to find out who those PR companies are and what else they're doing and how these hidden messages are placed within stories. The fact that we'd be criticized for

CHAPTER 29 / 35 Discussion

Greek Economic Crisis, Taxation and Socialism

A listener in Greece provides a detailed account of the country's economic collapse, citing an appalling educational system and a workforce dominated by government employees. The report describes extreme regulations, such as fixed numbers of bakeries per town, and a tax system that levies fees on the "objective value" of all personal property, including cars and small homes.

greece· socialism· taxation· property value· unemployment

1:23:11 not doing much more than trying to figure out what was going on on that boat is ridiculous. These people should go find somebody else to pester. It's interesting because the same goes, we got a beautiful email, I don't think you were copied on it, from a listener in Greece, Xenographos is his code name. And he heard my story about Taxi Eric in the Netherlands, who was all pissed off about the Greeks and they got to send the Greeks 5 billion euros from the Netherlands alone. And this is also just an intellectual discourse.

1:23:49 uh... where are you interested in hearing from him a little bit about the real situation and what's it what the real problem is in greece unless the here where he has to say so he says ok first educational system in this country is appalling every aspect of critical thinking has been removed from the curriculum starting let me see what i meant for my usa checklist now while you're in the picture exactly cc if we fit the bill Okay, every aspect of critical thinking has been removed from the curriculum starting from kindergarten going through to university Second Greeks have been indoctrinated to accepting the idea and practice of socialism since the end of the military dictatorship in the early 70s Greeks are taught very subtly that any other system will lead to a return of the fascist dictators. I don't think we have that here yet

1:24:35 Third, up until the mid-90s, more than 60% of the workforce were government employees. More than 80% of businesses were nationalized monopolies. Sound familiar, John? Even private companies were, and in some cases still are, very carefully regulated. The ratio of bakeries to residents in a town is fixed. Even if you want to open a bakery in your hometown, you can't unless someone else closes their bakery first. Wow, I didn't know that. That's interesting. Yeah, that's good for competition. Yeah. Fourth, salaries suck. A high school math teacher of four years of university under his belt has a starting salary of 860 euros about, well, when he wrote it, a thousand dollars a month, a little less now. A newly appointed police officer makes the same.

1:25:30 The government even influences the salaries in the private sector by requiring social security premiums that are about one half of the salary amount. Fifth, unemployment is unreal. 35% of people over the age of 30 are unemployed and more than 20% of those have never been legally employed. Sixth and the last and salient point, taxation here is out of control. The lowest income bracket is 26% for a family of four with €20,000 in income, which is not a lot of money. But how do they calculate income? Listen to this. This could be things to come, John. We pay income tax not only on our income, but on the objective value of all our property. And I mean the objective value is determined by the government. By property it's not just land, it's anything you own. If you have two cars, the government says that's equal to 5,000 euros a year of income. And they tax you on it. If you have a house of 100 square meters, which is a very small house, that is equal to some arbitrary amount of income.

1:26:33 which you're taxed on. We also pay 20% value added tax on every purchase, luxury tax on cigarettes, gasoline, automobiles and a thousand other things other Europeans take for granted. Even electricity usage is taxed to support state-run television. The place is a mess! That doesn't sound very good. No! So I think and he's basically saying hey Taxi Eric man, you know, we got some problems here that you're not aware of. But yeah, it's abhorrent. You got it in. Yes, I know. And I think, did I see Hungary now? Yeah, this one snuck up on you. All of a sudden Hungary's in the news. I think it's a nothing to see here thing. Could be.

CHAPTER 30 / 35 Discussion

European Union GM Crops, Alcohol Pandemic

The European Union is reportedly overhauling its approval system for genetically modified crops, paving the way for large-scale cultivation by companies like Monsanto and Dow Chemical. Additionally, the hosts discuss a World Health Organization report labeling alcohol as a "demon drink," suggesting a new global push for prohibition-style regulations.

european union· gm crops· monsanto· alcohol· world health organization

1:27:24 Trying to distract us from something else. I don't know but these like hungry lied they lied on their application. Oh, it's not true They they lied about their money or like whoa, okay Meanwhile back at home Wait wait anyway, you're mentioning the European Union I got one little item that I should mention because this is really always It makes me shake my head every time I run into this is happening. We talked about this before because we thought, at least initially, that the European Union was going to be the big hole out against GM food. European Union is to radically overhaul its approval system for genetically modified crops from next month, opening the way to large-scale GM cultivation in Europe. Yeah, they'd already approved it though. We already had that, didn't we, a couple months ago? Apparently there's some news. They're just going to basically open the door to Monsanto, Dow, Dow Chemical and Syngenta.

1:28:23 Time to buy some stock. Hudson Genta, that sounds like a good one. Kill all the earth, I'm in. What's the share price? Yeah. So, also coming out of the World Health Organization, so we're kind of talking global stuff here. We talked about how the demon drink, as they call in their own report, the demon drink alcohol, Which of course now we know we can't be sure if it really is a demon drink because who knows? You know, we could have a pandemic of demon drink pretty soon, but it's spreading to the United States John Michael Bowling from Santa Barbara, California. Hey dudes I started listening to your show a couple months ago. Love it. I've not donated yet as I am a starving college student. Don't worry We'll send some tasty GM snacks your way

CHAPTER 31 / 35 Discussion

Santa Barbara Social Host Ordinance, Underage Drinking Laws

The Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors passed a "social host ordinance" that allows police to enter private residences without provocation if five or more people are gathered. The law is aimed at curbing underage drinking in the college town of Isla Vista but is criticized for violating constitutional rights to privacy. Violators face fines, community service, and potential jail time.

santa barbara· isla vista· social host ordinance· alcohol· fourth amendment

1:29:23 Will be needing some no agenda karma soon I was listening on Wednesday was very intrigued with the topics concerning alcohol consumption And by the way, I've got a guy on the inside who does the monitoring at the interlock company And he's gonna send me some details. How cool is that? Good. That's very cool I'm a graduate student attending UCSB. That would be the University of California Santa Barbara if you know anything about us, I UCSB also stands for you can study buzzed. Is this true John? Yeah. When they had the riots in the 60s at Berkeley. They didn't show up. No, the riots in the 60s in Berkeley were riots and there was, but in Santa Barbara the riots they had there, they, I remember there was a scene where there was somebody through, you know, there was some cops coming every which way and there was all these cans of

1:30:15 tear gas I was on the roof of a bank and these kids would throw these things... protecting it or drilling a hole? onto the bank roof and I couldn't understand why they weren't throwing it through the bank window in Santa Barbara they not only threw it through the Bank of America window but they set the bank on fire and and the Bank of America burnt to the ground and it became one of the top background images for personal checking accounts in the Santa Barbara area for about 10 years. Cool. So we take great pride in our drinking is his point, but this county board of supervisors has been trying to curtail all drinking here in the little college town next to campus, Isla Vista.

1:31:00 They have now gone way too far and are taking away our right to privacy and covenant to quiet enjoyment with this new social host ordinance, which is linked in the show notes, noagendershow.com. Basically, it gives the police the right to enter any private residence without provocation that has five or more people gathered for a social event. Now he says, I don't know if you know what... What? Back up and read that again. Basically, it gives the police the right to enter any private residence without provocation that has five or more people gathered for a social event. This is against the Constitution. Hold on. I don't know if you know what the housing situation is like here, but the rent is so high most houses have six or more tenants just to be able to pay the $600 per person per month, about $3,600 per month for a three-bedroom apartment that was built somewhere in 1940.

1:31:58 Think the no agenda nation should be aware of this ordinance so they can help out help put a stop to it and keep it Spreading to other counties protect your right to drink and get fucked up. He says in the morning Mike We're in the morning to him. Yeah, so I here it is. There's the news County passes alcohol edict four to one vote The social host ordinances indeed is what it's called. Keep a couple of Dobermans in the place. The new measure would impose fines beginning at $500 for a first offense and require hosts to take a county approved counseling program, no doubt with something you gotta wear and have a monthly fee subscription. The law also notes that hosts should check ID cards and insist that minors leave from their parties.

1:32:51 Yeah, here it is. The fact that five people is considered a party or a gathering. That's pretty nuts, man. That's unbelievable. Let me just see if I have the... I haven't looked through the whole ordinance but that's also linked. Let me see if it's penalties, enforcement, why the ordinance is needed. Two reasons. Here's the ordinance. Law enforcement has inadequate enforcement authority to respond to underage drinking on private property. And the damage underage drinking does to developing brains. There you go. Oh, there you go. Developing brains. We're not going to college to develop our brains, you fool. It's there to drink. In California, there's no law that makes it illegal for a minor to consume alcoholic beverages or to have alcoholic beverages in a place that is not open to the public. Yeah, with good reason.

1:33:46 Without a law or ordinance underage drinking in private places is difficult for law enforcement to address. First they take you off the road from driving and drinking now you can't drink at home. That's right. The proposed ordinance will fill the gap in the law by prohibiting consumption of alcohol by minors and both so that's all about the minors whose brains have to grow. Oh here's what you do. Proposed ordinance violations, misdemeanor offense, possible fines up to $1,000, community services and at least 24 hours of at least 24 hours, jail time up to six months with cost recovery for law enforcement response to rowdy parties. Excuse me, it just makes me want to puke. Oh my god. Unbelievable. They have a whole chart. Alcohol use last 30 days in Imperial County compared to national averages. Fifth grade.

1:34:43 7% use alcohol in the last 30 days 7th grade 16% The AI is unbelievable. The adolescent brain goes through dynamic change during adolescence. Alcohol can seriously damage long and short term growth processes. You can say that about any age. Alcohol has a damaging effect on the brain in some way, shape or form if you drink too much of it. Frontal lobe development and the refinement of pathways and connections continue until age 16 and a high rate of energy is used as the brain matures until age 20. That's like I do with college kids. Damage from alcohol at this time can be long-term and irreversible. In addition, short-term or moderate drinking impairs learning and memory far more in youth than adults. Adolescents need only drink half as much to suffer the same negative effects.

CHAPTER 32 / 35 Discussion

Zombie Fit Classes, Shaun of the Dead

An exercise class in St. Charles, Illinois, called "Zombie Fit," trains students in cardio and parkour to prepare for a hypothetical "Z-Day." The hosts discuss the enduring popularity of the zombie genre in pop culture, referencing films like Shaun of the Dead and Zombieland. They predict that the "zombie meme" will continue to grow despite claims that it has peaked.

zombies· zombie fit· parkour· shaun of the dead· woody harrelson

1:35:40 Here we go again. I don't have any anything fun to play at the end of the show. Well, we're not quite done yet There's plenty of other I know but I got I'm gonna be unless you come up with something interesting We're gonna have another depressing show. Ah, it's you shouldn't be too put too depressed. Although this is this is a very interesting thing that is spreading also got a note from One of our younger listeners and get more nation east in the United Kingdom. He said the end of Doctor Who and There was a link right there in the credits to BBC.co.uk slash headroom. So this is after Doctor Who, right? And you go to that website and it's about the demon drink. Alcohol. Do you feel you need to cut down your drinking? Drugs, smoking, improve your well-being. Weird. Hmm. So Nelson Ferreira just sent me a nasty note. Who?

1:36:48 He's one of our contributors. He says his wife was the associate producer once before. This is what you don't have the first associate producer woman. This is what you get. You got to be very, very careful with saying this. Nowadays everyone's picky. I was very pleased to see that, uh, you know, I told you that we're going to see more and more zombie stuff and you said, no zombies are over and no, the zombies has come and gone. I don't think so, man. Okay. What? Um, Exercise class in St. Charles, Illinois. Zombie fit is this exercise class. What? Zombie fit. Where'd you get this story? Wired. To prepare for Z-Day, which is zombie day. Students do cardio, lift weights, and practice parkour maneuvers. You know what parkour is? No. It's like jumping over city walls and stuff. Because you gotta be able to evade the zombies.

1:37:52 So the survival workout is as follows. One, climb. Zombies aren't very spry, so climbing over barriers is a key evasive maneuver. Practice on a wall that's a little taller than you. Two, free fall. Jumping off a roof may provide temporary respite, but break a leg on landing and you're dinner. Cushion the impact by extending your legs and touching down on the balls of your feet. It's a whole zombie workout, man. For when everyone turns into a zombie and you need to evade them. It's just the beginning. You watch, it's just the beginning. More and more zombie stuff. I guarantee it. What was that movie, actually Eric would probably know it, that had, there was a British movie, there was two comics and they were surrounded by zombies and they didn't even realize it for a long time and they just kind of killed millions of them. It was a zombie comedy. I saw the Woody Harrelson zombie movie, which I liked.

1:38:48 No, this is something else. This was a... actually, Eric should know it. Eric, you still there? Maybe not. Anyway, he'll come over later. I don't know. This zombie thing seems it should be over, but it doesn't. It's not, apparently. It's going to continue, I guarantee you. Nice to see the guardian of all newspapers, Christian Vollmar, who is on the train beat. He should be a NOAGENDA listener. Sean of the dead is the name of the movie one of the dead no you ever see that no no hilarious Sean of the dead is what yes Sean SH you and people on the no agenda book club please put that on the movies that you must see so Christian Vollmar of the the Guardian newspaper communist newspaper

CHAPTER 33 / 35 Discussion

High-Speed Rail, Internet Throttling Legislation

The hosts discuss a Guardian article criticizing the UK's pursuit of expensive high-speed rail lines while basic train services remain unaffordable. In the US, 74 Democrats signed a letter to the FCC supporting internet throttling by major carriers like Verizon and AT&T. The hosts argue this is a direct attack on net neutrality and share personal experiences with unreliable cable internet service.

high-speed rail· the guardian· fcc· net neutrality· throttling

1:39:49 He actually calls it out. He says the train policy goes off the rails. He says what the hell is going on? He says the coalition's pursuit of a high-speed line is baffling and so he hasn't quite figured it out yet that this is obviously some money-making scheme. Everybody's in with Siemens or whatever. But he can't figure it out. He says, why the hell are we trying to... people can't even afford the slow train. Let alone that we're going to build a high-speed rail. Which is true. It's unaffordable. Yeah, but high-speed trains are not cheap. No, but even in Gitmo, it's impossible. It costs you a month's salary just to take the train. And they took the toilets out. Yeah, can't have toilets.

1:40:36 So, 74 Democrats signed a joint letter to the FCC supporting internet throttling by Verizon, AT&T and Comcast. What does that mean exactly? Throttling lets carriers slow or block internet traffic. This is a clear attack on net neutrality, obviously. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi just endorsed net neutrality, but the Money Party is busy burying votes. There's a top ten list of the big... there's a top ten list of... this is theagonist.com or .org. Throttling is where you, you know, you got some guy, hey this guy's using a lot of bandwidth, don't you think? Yeah, let's cut him back. This is what happens when, you know, sometimes our Skype... Yeah, like with us. I'm sure it happens all the time. These guys have been on... Hey, what's going on with these two jerks? Well, they've been on for almost two hours. You're kidding. What are they doing? Two hours? What are they doing? Pull it back, pull it back.

1:41:35 I will say that Memorial Day weekend they did send someone out from Time Warner Cable and unsolicited? No, not unsolicited, no way. No, last Thursday, it died. It wasn't a piece of, it wasn't total crap, but during the upload of the show, my whole connection dropped and it was gone. It was gone and Sunday was the next time they could get someone out. So you didn't have any connection with satellite? No man, it was horrible. I was tethered on my iPhone. It sucked. It totally blows. And it's still weird, but then the guy comes out and he measures everything. And I was, because it's high frequency stuff, and I was like getting red my signal here and not, you know, it should be maybe a little yellow but certainly green. And I guess the wires outside or something was corroded or whatever.

1:42:34 Squirrels. Yeah, squirrels. And so he replaced a bunch of stuff. And I must say now I do get a burst of 25 megabit download. But still it's wonky. It still craps out from time to time. It was pretty good today. It's reasonable, but I think they've been doing that throttling all along. I think there's nothing new. I think they just do it whenever they need to. Whenever they feel like it. Yeah. Probably when we're doing a show. You're right. It's like, hey, that connection there, pretty constant stream. Pull that back. So the, uh, I have noticed one thing. If I keep a, uh, on the other computer, if I keep like a, uh, an IRC open, they do much less dicking around with this guy. It's possible that you can send a, it's like a,

1:43:24 a shadow signal or a, you know, kind of a smoke screen signal. And when they're all mixed up together, the deep packet sniffing probably gets much more difficult to do. Well, I always have IRC open and I always have a ping open, a continuous ping, so I can kind of just like a command line, so I can just kind of see the health of the network. And it also, that's like, you know, I know when my network's down because then I get timeouts in that one window. But yeah, we're screwed. I mean I keep telling everybody please you got to make that mesh network We got to do something because the day is gonna be upon us and I'll be like okay oops wish we had done it We should have done it earlier right just like we just I'm gonna tell you something now, too we've talked about the the strange symbolisms at Denver Airport and

CHAPTER 34 / 35 Discussion

Denver Airport Anubis, King Tut Exhibit

Denver International Airport has installed a 26-foot tall, 7-ton sculpture of Anubis, the Egyptian god of death, to promote a King Tut exhibit. The hosts find the choice of a death deity for an airport to be foreboding and "criminally insane." The statue stands near the "Mustang" sculpture, which famously killed its creator during its construction.

denver international airport· anubis· king tut· egyptian god of death· mustang

1:44:20 particularly that crazy-ass horse, the one with the red eyes, the light up at night. Yeah. So they've just added Anubis. A huge Anubis. You know what Anubis is? Yeah, besides being the character in one of the Stargate shows. Yes, well Anubis is the Egyptian god of death. Egyptian god with a head of a duck or something. No, not really. It's like a dog kind of thing. So they have the 30-foot tall blue Mustang, which of course has been the talk of the town ever since it was put in there. Now they're installing a 7-ton, 26-foot tall concrete sculpture of Anubis. Why? It's on exhibit June 29th through January 9th, 2011. It actually says here, the exhibit runs June 29th through January 11th, 2011. The Anubis will be standing guard during that time. Guard over what?

1:45:21 But the Egyptian god of death, I mean are they just messing with us? Egyptian god of death. A standing guard. Do I want the Egyptian god of death at the airport? Yes. This is more of the trains bad or trains good. All aboard trains good, planes bad. The Egyptian god of death. Is that the airport? Yeah, notice they didn't put it- What are these people criminally insane that run this airport? They didn't put it at Grand Central Station, you'll note. No, it has to go at Denver Airport. The thing is huge! It's 26 foot tall sculpture! Who comes up with this crap?

1:46:02 Yeah, it's a copy of the original, I guess. Seven tons. Right next to the main terminal to promote the upcoming King Tut exhibit. Hey. Oh, is that what it's for? To promote the King Tut exhibit? Yeah, it's the Art Museum. By the way, they had the King Tut Museum at this... It sucked! It sucked! It was horrible. It totally sucks and the line is a mile long and now you have to buy tickets. It stinks. It was like a facsimile of the actual exhibit in London. It was an interesting little foreboding. I'm going to read it from the same article on this Anubis character.

CHAPTER 35 / 35 Discussion

Operation Blackjack, Show Outro

The hosts discuss the "Operation Blackjack" conspiracy theory, which predicts nuclear attacks on major cities like London, New York, and Los Angeles on June 22nd. They dismiss it as a recurring meme likely tied to upcoming media releases. The episode concludes with a reminder of the next live show time and a greeting to the listeners in Australia.

operation blackjack· conspiracy· london· los angeles· mexico city

1:46:44 The Nubis is not far from the sculpture of the blue horse called Mustang by Luis Jimenez. The artist was killed in 2006 when a large piece of the sculpture fell on him in his studio. Yeah, I know. I think we talked about that. I'm laughing but I'm not really that happy. There's something weird about this whole thing going on in Denver. Get out of Denver people! So radioactive anyway, do you remember if you ever heard of operation blackjack? No, because it would go along perfectly with all of the women when is this thing on exhibit in sixth is this? You know what this when is this thing go on exhibit this Anubis? I think it's there now It's already there now so operation blackjack was supposed to happen June 22nd 2009 as predicted Was this predicted?

1:47:47 It was like a big conspiracy meme running around. It was in a movie as well somewhere. Anyway, Operation Blackjack is when nuclear bombs are supposed to explode in... Let me get the list for you. London, Los Angeles, Mexico City, and I think New York. Probably not Denver, because that's where they all hang out. So now this conspiracy is back.

1:48:26 That 2010 June 22nd is when Operation Blackjack goes into effect and the bombs will be popping off. Here it is London, New York, Portland, Los Angeles, Toronto and Mexico City. And this is on June 2010, this coming week? 22nd. No, we have 14 days. Yeah, this month. Okay, well if I were you, then I would make a list of those cities and stay out of all of them. Yeah. Do you think San Francisco will be safe? Yeah, but it's not on the list. It's gotta be safe. No, Los Angeles is on the list. Don't you think there'll be some fallout? From what? Yeah, there'll be tons of fallout. Everyone in the air will be killed. They have a great picture on this page of, I guess, Anubis, this statue. This is crazy. They have a picture of Anubis and the Statue of Liberty in the background. Where the hell was this from? So they're tying this in somehow to this Anubis is the symbol that Operation Blackjack is now going to take place.

1:49:27 Oh well, nice knowing you John. It's another date that will come and go like the giant flying saucer that was supposed to land a couple years ago in Brazil or something. It wasn't gonna land, it was just going to make itself, it was just going to appear. Hover. It was going to hover and make itself known. A girl can hope, can't she? So okay, so we have to assume, so the blackjack thing reappeared, so that means a movie has to be coming out. Yes. Within the next five or six months or next maybe I'll be announcing it shortly that has pretty much this kind of thing, right? Yeah, so we'll keep her eye on it So can we do the show at a normal time on Thursday? Okay, I'll tell you what let's do it in the normal time, but it won't be till next Thursday No, but we'll do it in the morning. Yeah, absolutely in the morning. Okay, but hello to Australia from afar

1:50:26 And, uh, should we really plan a trip? I would really like to do that. Well, let's start working on it. Seriously? First we- Yeah, well we got people that can help us. Well, let's do the night rings first. What do you think? I'm working on them right now as we speak. Yeah, yeah, okay, right. Alright, my friends and ships at sea, coming to you from the Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West in the People's Republic of Southern California. It's been my pleasure to be with you. My name is Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where the weather's actually quite nice and horns honk, ducks quack, geese honk, seagulls do whatever they do. I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll talk to you again on Thursday at our regularly scheduled time, 9 a.m. Gitmo Midnation West time in the morning, right here on No Agenda.