Elephant In The Room

00:00 kills me shameless shameless shameless Adam Curry John C Devorah is May 13 2010 time to your get my nation media assassination episode one niner niner this is no agenda screw me with a chainsaw let's do it again all right Ready? Yeah, hit it! Adam Curry. John C. DeVore It's May 13, 2010. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 199-er! This is no agenda. Partying like it's episode 199 and coming to you from the hilltop watchtower crackpot command center in Gitmo Nation West in the People's Republic of Southern California. In The Morning I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where the sun is always shining except when its not I am John C. Dvorak

00:59 In the morning. In the morning to you and everyone listening, and those at sea. Who used to say that? Those are old times. It used to be a common phrase on the radio. To people from all lands and ships at sea this is the BBC News. So, lots of news over the last few days. Well I wonder if you don't mind if I just do a little bit of... Why would I mind that? That's the best part of this show! Two episodes ago I made a bold prediction on this program regarding the next oil rig disaster

01:53 Do you recall my bold prediction John? No, but I'm guessing it would have to be Venezuela. I don't remember it personally Well no It was the Caribbean. I said look for the next one in the Caribbean okay and If you read the news report properly you would see that this Venezuelan natural gas platform which is now sunken into the Caribbean Off Trinidad Tobago and Trinidad Tobago. Oh, okay So let me just do it again How did I know it? How did I know it because it's a setup this is uh You know Chavez is now in on the game

02:45 You know, I don't think that's true. Let me tell you what I think okay? I think it's probably he may have been lured into the game because he's an idiot Okay Oh, oh, I'll take that And and the reason that he is wants to be in the games cuz basically what Chavez gets to do here He says look we had problems with our platform too but Nobody was killed and the thing didn't catch on fire, and we got to cut it off the flow so nothing's leaking. We're better than you are." Well everyone gets a Benny when they play along with the game I mean he's not just gonna do it for no reason So he gets to tell his people who have to listen to this crap on a day or what is it? A weekly TV show? Hourly basis yeah

03:32 You know the Hugo Chavez show It's kind of like no agenda only on real TV He probably has a bigger audience than we do But but not as smart an audience obviously or they wouldn't be watching it where they wouldn't be telling me where the next Oil cabal would strike which of course was exactly right. I didn't dream this up by myself obviously so anyway, the We should do Hugo Chavez show. It'd be nice to get somebody to give us a clip, an audio clip of the intro to the show where they... you know I'm sure it's that's the Hugo Chavez Show! In the morning? I like that. I like the clip of that. Anyway so this is part of

04:21 Albon gas company so I haven't had time to research him but as predicted in the Caribbean because the whole thing is a setup the idea is despite the prices of oil and gas and we could talk about that. I have a really funny clip later from Geraldo somehow some of this propaganda is running Well, before we get into that let's go and thank our executive producers. Okay we have more than one that is always good news We have two executive producers and no associate executive producer And the curious thing again is that we have a random number aspect to this We have 2 people who pretty much donated back-to-back from 2 different parts of the world The exact same amount of money

05:11 Wow, okay. So we have Matthew Greensmith from Melbourne Victoria Australia he also says thanks for the great show the closest... Matthew Greensmith you said? Greensmith yeah and I can get this spreadsheet spreadsheet you know people put stuff in spreadsheets unfortunately you have to with this but Spreadsheet, you don't like spreadsheet? It did kind of revolutionize the computer. The personal computer industry No I don't mind it revolutionizing it but people I run into constantly send memos written on a spreadsheet Who does that?! Who do I know... I just got one the other day somebody sent me it was like here's the list of this that and the other thing and it was all on a spreadsheet so I had to boot Excel That's a gripe to me because in my machines it doesn't work right

06:02 In the morning, John and Adam. Thanks for the great show I think your show comes the closest i've seen to the model that will replace the nothing-to-see here that has taken over than me the news we used to have My donation is support the continuation of that process hope to see you in Gitmo down under soon Oh And we have a d word call out to Simon Alicia Who needs to recognize the value he's receiving and pay up! DOOSHTAG! See, for some reason my spreadsheet is... let me see here. So of course Matthew came in with the first of his three installments? Is this the first of his three installments for... I don't know but it's $333.33 which is a good number for us and it's a lucky number from everybody And our other

06:52 executive producers Adam Miller who is now Sir Adam Miller. Well, not officially well he will be by the end of the show yes see right now until for a small window being just plain at it's just playing all that a miller H to the N nothing speciality from Perryville Missouri nice also gave us three hundred thirty-three dollars and thirty three cents in these are both within like like ten minutes of each other Well, this is... Let's get a kick out of that. This is awesome! So those are our guys and... Even though we don't have an associate executive producer we do have a PR associate for today

07:38 and that might be well first let me mention a couple of initiatives I like to do with the top of the show we have another kind of site this out there it's not a cool domain name but did want to mention it no agenda dot status . net of course all these are put into the show notes at noagendashow.com Do we have a master list someplace of all these linked sites? Well, uh... All of them are in the show notes under links that rock on every single show do we have the guy who did the I just got NoAgendaNetwork.com which is starting to really list all of the okay because we got the guy who does the floor mats i've got my floor mat

08:23 Actually sent to I think one is supposed to go to you. Yeah, you think? Damn You I want my floor mat and coming to San Francisco next week. Well, yeah, give me your floor mat Yeah, I'll have to bring an extra big suitcase It's not that I mean it's not a monster. It's not a rug gets the floor mat It's like you know just a small it's not small but as you'll see it. It's perfect for the kitchen It says No Agenda and In The Morning on it. It's quite nice! Perfect for the kitchen... It's perfect for the kitchen, right? Does it come in multiple colors? No, its black with the No Agenda logo and one of many No Agenda logos and the In The Morning moniker. Hey would you mind tweeting, twittering have you done that already did oh good okay then we have another great initiative actually installed this myself this is from Brent Mosley

09:16 Adam and John, I just got done creating a no agenda browser toolbar. Now normally I hate toolbars, I don't install them... ...I find them to be malware etc., but he's created one which i'm just going to have to presume is safe. I installed it and so far everything still running the features include an easy embedded No Agenda stream player Easy access to the No Agenda chat room. Compilation of the Links That Rock section, which is nice it's done in like a hierarchical drop-down menu so you can find all these sites. Twitter reader which follows No Agenda Adam Curry and The Real Dvorak. A No Agenda RSS feed. Embedded streaming of TV news from across Gitmo Nation One Click Page Translation

10:04 a Google search bar, customized No Agenda Network search possibility on its way and the direct link to the donation page. Not unimportant So I think that's cool! And you can find... That is more than cool Yeah noagendatoolbar dot rtoolbar dot com this will also be in the show notes Don't you think that deserves an associate public relations thing? Well we only have one PR associate per episode and haven't even gotten there yet So, it's a with recommendation. I mentioned with commendation let's put it that way then I got to...I can't ignore the fact that several people nominated you to be PR associate of the week for your work on this week in technology

10:59 Leo's twitch show people thought you did an excellent job particularly when you When Callie said in the morning, and then you said in the morning It was very funny. Yeah, it was reaction we should clip that out yeah I went she said in the morning. I said in the morning again Now as I tell people about the PR associate I'm going to send you this picture. I've purposely held off on sending it to you because i wanted You know, one of the people who listens to the show is Pat Wilson from Weezer? He's a we've had an email with him back and forth Do you remember this yeah, I am waiting for the photo do you know I haven't sent it yet Do you know the band Weezer actually John no I don't listen to bands anymore

11:48 What do you listen to then? Classical music. And bands don't perform that, what is it comes out of magical ether? Those are orchestras Oh okay I don't have anything handy they know I do have something handy hold on i'll play you a little bit of weed You'll say oh yeah those guys They've had some huge hits You're not gonna send the photo? I'm gonna send the photo Alright uh... here's one of their many hits and playing this from uh... the items music Yeah, yeah I've heard these guys. Okay well they're... So i am familiar with the band They are actually outstanding as shit This is their big hit Right? Yeah they have a big sound It's a good sound I like the big sound so Monday night on The George Lopez show which I believe Is on TNT or something Something like that They are performing On the show

12:57 Also, so they taped this last night and he sent me a picture also on the show was Donald Trump And I just want you to see what they will be wearing. I'm waiting for accept John on the Skype file transfer There you go Look at what they will be wearing On the show and people will freak out when they because of course you're gonna have to watch Monday but I wanted to make Pat Wilson and Weezer the PR associate for No Agenda episode 199. I'm waiting for your reaction. It's cute! Cute? It's awesome! In the morning... So, should we tell the audience what uh

13:44 Yeah, we have Trump in the picture. Well the picture will be linked in the show notes and I think you'll appreciate it. There's a guy in a bunny costume another guy in a... Well he's the guys from Weezer! Yes, the guys from Weezer is a Weezer guitarist and they Trump and this lead singer and they bunny outfits with a crown or something? I don't know what their dress was but then in the morning sash. I mean could it be any bigger Come on, they're our official band now. That's right we are the official band of No Agenda I love it all right so we want to thank Matthew... And Trump is looking like he would totally you know I would ask what do you what does this mean? Why am i here?

14:34 This is the craziest picture because it makes Trump look like some sort of a... He just doesn't get it, I guess. Alright we want to thank Matthew Greensmith and Adam Miller for being our executive producers for episode 199 You know the drill by now you can put on your resume you can put in your email signature you might be able to get some IMDB credit but definitely It is known In Hollywood circles To be a credit that means something Value For Value So please Let us know and let everyone know what the formula is. Our formula is this, we go out we hit people in the mouth. Build world order! Okay Weezer sing along Shut up Sleaze

15:27 Chat room's going nuts. They want to see it, but I don't think they have the right to it. So let's uh... You wanna send it to them? Well, I can't send it to the chatroom. I could put a link somewhere in the net. Don't get her on this show! Wait until the show notes come out. Give us- So lets get right into our topic of interest. I dont wanna talk about anything but this right now. Okay You spent like, I don't know how much money it takes to send stuff over and apparently you got a giant box of crap and it cost 80 bucks. No, hold on a second. Mickey had her stuff come in from Amsterdam she had to pay 1800 my shit comes in from London I paid 85

16:13 Right, so somebody's scamming somebody. Yeah and my boxes weren't opened I know that because my LMG 99 Japanese light machine gun arrived fine My double barrel shotgun arrived fine My ammo for the shotgun arrived fine So they didn't scam anything Wait a minute you're smuggling arms? Yes absolutely! I'm proud of it and nobody cares. This is the way with this is our I'm telling you, I have a Japanese machine gun in my boxes and it's marked labeled guitar which is like the oldest trick in the book. I should've put cello yeah! And I paid 85 bucks and they didn't open a single box but oh yes customs scanned it for you for your convenience sir well I'm sure they scanned his away so let's go over this though give some background to the people out there that you had moved

17:09 Your stuff from London and Mickey who you're now living with moves her stuff from Holland Yeah, and there seems to be a discrepancy in the way both Systems were handled. In other words the London stuff came in Both systems were handled the same way the rule state Department of Homeland Security is by law outsourcing unloading and preparation for scanning of all goods shipped into the United States. Okay so they have a whole, and these are published prices these prices were published in 2005 it costs more for garments apparently cost nothing for boxes containing weapons machine guns

17:58 And, uh yeah she wound up paying $8500 bucks. I'm sorry 1800 and i paid 85 bucks You paid 85 bucks? Now why was her so expensive with the... Was her box a thousand times bigger? No. Her box had four times as much stuff So, in calculations... It's a risky scenario but it should be less than 400 bucks. At the wildest calculation let's say it was 1000 because she had alot of clothes but how hard is to check clothes? I mean what do you put thousands of kilos of heroin and clothes? Hey honey your bras seem pretty puffy so yeah

18:43 How come you only want to talk about this? Are you on some kind of thing or... No, I thought that you were complaining bitterly about what a scam this was going to be and you knew you're gonna get ripped off by the time your stuff came in. You were worried sick about it. Well this shows how big the scam actually is! Coming in at such a low number shows that this makes no sense Who's charging this?! Is it has something to do with the thing coming from Amsterdam versus London No, because... Where does the bill come from? Is it American companies? Yes. We mentioned that last time there's only one company in Los Angeles doing that That what I'm getting at is why was yours so cheap

19:27 I don't know. You ask the shipping company, like look we can't really explain it to you this is the bill they give us and that's we have to live by that It must be one of those things where they're just ripping off the women. Like the car repair places Hey lady your freckles broken it looks like you're gonna need a new one and a new belt! It could be but its uh...it's the truth And I just find it funny that um, that uh...that i have a Japanese machine gun in there and-and I have ammo. Yeah the ammo is particularly disturbing. I don't have ammo for the machine gun. I'm still looking for a magazine and I think its 7.7 millimeter ammo. I'm sure someone out there can help me. Sure it's like five bucks a bullet so anyway

20:15 Now I understood that the thing came in, it looked like somebody just... It looked like it was just a mess. It wasn't very well organized in the box No that was a different problem. It was packed in London at my ex-wife's house and I think here is how they did it Hey! That's his shit throw that in that box Seriously, it's not a pretty sight. That's the way it works The stuff arrived pretty mashed It's not... But the machine gun is safe Probably the most rugged thing you got What about your audio gear? Yes all of its here and this weekend I'll be setting up

20:52 I have some plug conversions to do because they all have the UK, those crazy UK plugs which are bigger than my head. Yeah that's crazy you click UK plugs? The UK plugs have three big prongs and there is a fuse in the plug and switch yes Yeah, well they don't want people getting killed. I travel at 220 which a lot of people don't realize and you have to be careful with around 220 it's unlike 110 with 110 You get a jolt knocked on your butt with 220 or just it just drops ya you're dead. I've always wondered why

21:28 Why we have 110 in the... For safety reasons. The United States early on decided that it was better to have 110 because it was safer Really? And would kill less people and because we have liability issues in the United States, where a legal country that sues does a lot of lawsuits The Europeans don't give a crap So they basically say you know the guy kills himself he's an idiot so that's why they have 220 It just summarized Just an idiot It's an idiot. So, it's a difference between our kind of nanny state and their kind of nanny state. Hey do you have a pet peeve today? Because I got something for ya! I probably do but these things kinda come up upon... they sneak up on me. Alright if it happens I'll be on the ready. Okay I've got a lot to talk about but maybe I should let you go first

22:22 Oh, thanks! I don't have the... hold on. I can get it real quick. I like Rajiv Roo Baba and Big Brahman in the morning. Ooh that's a good one Yeah it is good isn't? That's from The Simpsons They're on board with the program What are you playing? in the morning people send me the craziest stuff well good keep sending him stuff keeping busy so let's talk about what we can talk well here let's run a humorous clip Betty White it says Betty Wife on Saturday night this is that was the big talk of everything last Saturday yeah oh wait why don't we I think that i think this qualifies uh and now back to real

23:18 And this is the reason. This is the reason everybody's all worked up. Hey, everybody! Look what I wrestled up! Oh, my Jesus! Young woman you get that fish out of my parlor? What has gotten into you?! She's a lesbian! Okay... Alright which brings us to Kagan Ah yes This is a very interesting story and it has people talking really. I have the links including the one you sent listed under the Ministry of Truth Well here's what's interesting to me, now we're talking about this Supreme Court nominee who was the elephant in the room when she was first... Pun intended!

23:56 When she was first nominated, nobody seemed to want to discuss the fact that she... In fact when we mentioned her on this last show I had a number of Skype messages saying just all the word which is lesbian. Well can i just say one thing? We mentioned her on the two shows ago and I said, hey the White House has just announced that they don't think there's any problem with her being a shill for Goldman Sachs. That to me is little more important as whether she's gay or not. But what I found interesting is that they didn't want to talk about her being gay, even though now they say oh that's all we talked about. Which is bogus because I have watched show after show right after her nomination and right after they started getting into it First I watched Olbermann then I watched Matthews and then I watched

24:50 I don't know who's the guys, there are a couple more of these on the other... Fox? I watched O'Reilly. I put these on the DVR so that i could run through all them. O'Reilly and I watched..I didn't see Beck but you know I didn't miss anything. But then I said well they're all ignoring the elephant in the room They are not going to talk about the fact that she appears to be gay we do not know if she is or not But she just carries herself like a gay woman and one of the shows showed pictures of when she was in college because she was actually a cute little Jewish girl that who's actually very pretty. You know, in a cute little Jewish girl way but I could see her having boyfriends but she is probably...I get the sense that she's asexual more than anything. Before you continue Politico reported two days ago that all of her friends now of course they're not going by name which I love this great reporting

25:42 are all sending messages saying hey she's not gay, she dated guys in college and even Elliot Spitzer. Elliot Spitzer that is the guy who has $5,000 a night hookers. He is my hero so he would know. He says I did not go out with her but other guys did Yeah. Well, Spitzer's actually an interesting character but anyway so I get the sense that she's probably not gay but she's not asexual. She just... No sex. Workaholic and she's kind of given up you know because doesn't look like a person who is preoccupied with their looks let's put it that way

26:21 But meanwhile, but there's still the issue exists and there are good reasons for it. I think Andrew Sullivan discussed this the best he went on about you know who is openly gay and he says Obama wants everybody to be open and honest do all this kind of thing and now nobody wants to talk about this gay thing and he says it's important from a lot of different perspectives. I mean look what they did to Clarence Thomas when they, you know... Oh the cocaine thing with uh... Cocaine! Yeah. Who can verify any that horrible woman? Anita Hill? Yeah, Anita Hill. So anyway... Long Dong Silver! Long Dong Silver? You remember all the good ones? Of course! All the memes! That was awesome! So I figure of all people The person that would most likely to bring this up and i was waiting for my hero to come to the rescue Rachel

27:11 Maddow! Oh boy. She says nothing and instead we hear this ridiculous... Let's see, where is it? I got it on the clips I must, no it's not on the road. The elephant in the room? Yeah that's it okay we'll just play a little Rachel by the way Rachel comes to her defense without ever saying why she's coming to her defense and let me set up one little thing one of the Republicans starts off this little clip by saying well the problem with this woman is she's got no judicial experience and she's got no litigation experience

27:50 Which is true, right? She's basically a bureaucrat. And Rachel comes out and she twists it by saying well now the Republicans are saying she has had no judicial experience and here are other people that have never had judicial experience but she goes on and on...she's very specious with her arguments like cheats! She doesn't say anything about the no litigious uh... experience either and racial did she is a book as a host she and the way they talk about back in and uh... limbaugh lying a lot this woman is really probably the worst of the group because he just leaves stuff out into her arguments it strikes me that if a nominee does not have judicial experience they should have substantial litigation experience

28:34 Ms. Kagan has neither. Senate Republicans pouncing today on the fact that Elena Kagan has never served as a judge The last time someone who wasn't a judge was nominated to be a Supreme Court Justice was in 2005 when President Bush nominated White House Counsel Harriet Myers to fill the seat of Justice Sandra Day O'Connor That nomination lasted all of 25 days whereupon Mr. Bush was forced to withdraw his pick for lack of political support The relevant comparison between Harriet Meyers and Elena Kagan is not actually about judicial questions, but whether Elena Kagan is qualified for the Supreme Court. Harriet Meyers had essentially been George Bush's lawyer and she'd been White House counsel for a hot minute and that's it. Elena Kagan on the other hand is the current Solicitor General of the United States – that's the person who argues the government cases in front of the Supreme Court – she was former dean at Harvard Law School, she was

29:27 to the Supreme Court. She has a nationwide, coast-to-coast, sterling legal reputation. She has been a longtime mainstay of Supreme Court speculation." Okay. Can I just tell you that um...I find it very important that my supreme court justices must have courtroom experience, litigation experience and lesbian experience. I think that's very important. Well you're going to have a lot of problems with all those guys! Now let me go over break down a couple things she says in here first she brings up the Harriet Meyers argument which is a completely off topic

30:06 way to make it. The Harry Meyers thing, he didn't pick her because she was his lawyer for a hot minute by the way. Obama's personal lawyers now defending all kinds of stuff inside the administration. I'm not talking about that, it's the fact that she says a hot minute meaning that she just showed up and who but meanwhile Kagan has only been solicitor general since there is less than two years into the embalming same thing but that's beside... completely ignores the fact that the reason harriet myers was dropped because a conservatives got bent out of shape about not about qualifications or anything in between at but it was about out and out cronyism which of course you could have made a point about cronyism because uh... you know uh... mad al you know we've is always looking to just still score points against george bush yeah i'd like to see your crew needs an enormous administration

30:59 She completely ignores and keeps... now she's just pounding the drum for this woman who I believe she thinks is a lesbian, and she probably thinks it's a good idea to get her in there. Yeah No, I think that something else is going on John. Don't look over here! Nothing to see here! Ooh, look at that! The things that I see one is that she worked for Goldman Sachs received money from them Which was never mentioned? no of course not this is why it's nothing to see here so talk about lesbianism the other one and this is currently I believe in court Monsanto was trying to overturn a 2007 California decision that imposed a nationwide injunction on planting the company's genetically modified alfalfa. In March, Kagan's office, that solicitor general interceded on Monsanto's behalf Oh you got me on that one good one of course of course You know I you know the way to

31:56 For anybody who wants to do what we do on this show, deconstruct these news stories. One of the tricks you can use is you put in... and I didn't do this, I should have Kagan Monsanto, Kagan Goldustack whoever it is, whoever you want. Just those two! Just start with those. Goldman Sachs, just put Goldman Sachs and then put the person's name. It is so funny you say that I do that all the time also i also add United Nations and Council on Foreign Relations those are the four and there's your show prep! There you go You're done it's uh yeah I'm trying to do this without cheating That's not cheating! It's totally cheating!

32:40 But you know the funny thing is that this stuff goes on and it never comes up in the conversation. In fact, Kurt's article I sent you which is linked to the show notes from The Washington Post It just goes on about quoting all these different people They made a huge smoke screen about this lesbian thing Which seems to be off topic when it comes down to what really important which she's a shill for Monsanto and Goldman Sachs And that won't even be, I would challenge anyone to find me a clip from C-SPAN where when they start grilling her. That even comes up on the conversation. You know it's funny you say that about C-SPAN because well first of all I hated when the programming executors put all the prime time shows on at the same time so of course you know you and i both know that everything happens in Washington is one big show which show business for ugly people

33:29 And so I didn't know what to, we have C-SPAN 1 2 & 3. I don't know whether to watch the financial hearings about the flash crash about all of the oil executives that are blaming each other or Kagan...I mean i'm confused! There's not enough Adam to watch everything and I didn't record the clip and I am sorry I didn't C-SPAN is now editorializing and it's starting to piss me off. So first of all, why do I need to have C-SPAN 2 all day with BP, Halliburton and Transocean executives? Because all you see is a bunch of politicians who are experts and they're talking about the blowout prevention and the dead man switch... Well shut up!

34:13 you don't do an investigation, don't take up my time with that. But then you get the woman who comes on sometimes a guy but it's been a woman for the past couple of weeks and says now we'll go to these Senate hearing about the oil crisis in the Gulf this program lasts about three hours I know they always give me the estimated time but now she is editorializing! And it went something like this We now switch over to the Senate hearings about the oil spill in the Gulf, where oil executives are pointing their finger at each other. This program lasts about three hours." Oh really? Yeah and I didn't record it... You can get it on C-SPAN archives which are outstanding but you can't get it because that's editorialized between them. So why is she telling me they were pointing fingers at each other?

35:08 We got a problem here, John. Yeah it's on your side? You have a loose connection maybe your battery is dead. Two! Check two! That sounds like a dead battery on your mic. No that was something else. Just start to replug everything in you'll have... It's not that simple. Hold up. It's not dead. Fail. Let me just... Colonel Panic Everything crashed hard and of course when that happens then the configurations get blown out And I can't you know what we just talking about my new studio John no actually we were talking about Goldman Sachs Kagan and Monsanto We did talk about it earlier. Oh Anyway, um I'm happy yeah Let me just check that's all recording Douchebag

36:13 You're hearing all that right? Oh, yeah. Sounds good. Okay. Hold on double check this in the morning So are we is this where we are so once you explain what happened and then I can do when I told you so and then we can get back to this show Okay What happened was we were talking about And then all of a sudden I got a kernel panic. That's the Mac equivalent of blue screen of death and everything started to freeze, I couldn't unfreeze it... I tried to dump out Ableton Live so that i could save because it should be saving directly to hard disk but whatever happened in this instance didn't leave anything

37:13 And so I had to reboot we did a half a show 40 minutes of the show and I think we did 30 minutes We were at 30 that was like it was 40 really yeah, you sure Yeah, cuz they made a note of the time So I could make a calculate when we're gonna do some other things okay? So we have 20 left for this half. Okay? So anyway, the good news is I think Nerdy Dude recorded the stream. Note his moniker... Nerdy Dude! Our hero Yes and so that's already being uploaded to a server so i can stitch it all together for the podcast which most of people listen to Although you stream at 32k or something No no we're streaming at 64

37:56 We've upped everything and we in case you hadn't noticed the quality of the show is now at 96 these days I've gotten no complaints Yeah, well it's a better sounding show at 96 obviously. So okay we do have the first half of the show so we don't have to worry about that and although we knew this was you know... We know that a number people back up the shows for us in The Cloud Yes Our version of The Cloud which are individuals sitting in their rooms here and there around the country Hopefully they're at work Yeah, I know your theory of it. It should be good work recording. Yes You should be doing that Okay All right So all right we are so weird I guess we were talking about Kagan and have we kind of wrapped up that topic on Kagan? I think so yeah, I think you mentioned the fact that you know where we're on at least we we mentioned

38:53 uh... the fact that you know people just no google peoples names with the words either monsanto or goldman sachs you find out that they're all connected i don't know what it was we were talking about that and then also in bloom they shoot a magic bullet through the line inmates new my system yeah that's what they did so um... but the point is is that you know this is another example he now we have essentially east coast elitists almost I don't think there's anybody not in the Ivy League that is on the court, so nobody represents the public. And to make matters worse they're all stooges for Monsanto This will come up in a conversation when there's a court case and judges are fined for the big corporation

39:43 So why don't we do something a little light just to get back into the swing of things. Light? Yeah, something light! I have some clips from a television show which are propagating an agenda an old one and a new one. I'm listening Okay so you're familiar with the program Supernatural I don't know. I may have watched it once, but i think its a crappy show so yeah...I guess I do. Im familiar somewhat Okay so first of all they like to propagate some memes So lets make sure we get them in there Can we commit our act of domestic terrorism already? Lets go! And what is that act of domestic terrorism Well were gonna throw a couple of memes at you and listen very closely because this is something your going to be hearing alot more about Something he needs to say

40:39 Niveus Pharmaceuticals rushing delivery of its new swine flu vaccine to quote stem the tide of the unprecedented outbreak. Shipments leave Wednesday... Niveus Pharmaceuticals, get it? You two are lucky you have your looks! Your demon lover Brady VP of distribution Niveus Ah yes that sound of the abacus clacking we all caught up So pestilence was spreading swine flu. It were not just for giggles, that was step one Step two is the vaccine and you think... I know! I'll stake my reputation That vaccine is chock full of grade A farm fresh Croatian virus Simultaneous countrywide distribution It's quite a plan You don't get to be horseman for nothing so you boys better stock up on well everything

41:43 This time next Thursday, we'll all be living in zombie land. Okay so you didn't see the show so let me tell you the premise Before you say anything more You watched this crap? No someone sent it to me Oh okay The premise is swine flu vaccine but this vaccine turns everyone into zombies and just look around at the slate of television shows and movies that are coming out It's all zombies John The zombie craze is over. No, no no it's getting a lot worse Look at all the upfronts We're gonna see a lot of zombie stuff And I always feel with some of this mainstream media stuff that kind of like giving us little message like hehehehe You're all going to be turned into zombies you watch It's a new meme Zombies It's much bigger than it was Okay I'm not buying it

42:47 Okay, that's sad. That the reason why is because the zombie thing has come and gone Well, I may be a little bit more in the media than you do might be wrong speaking of being wrong We talked about the flash crash Past couple of shows and a lot of people have been doing research sending in stuff some anonymous including this next message we talked about the Russian programmer Who would be related to Sergei? Alainikoff, that's the guy who took the code and got arrested at Newark Airport and went to Chicago. This of course is my theory entirely but based upon conversations with insiders and took that code into the computer room compiled it ran it for a couple seconds brought down the entire market down 1,000 points It was just little beta test

43:46 You said well, you know it's like this doing this. You got to compile the code I just want to give you a little bit of extra info The language that these guys program the stuff in is Erlang are you familiar with erlang? Okay, Erlang org and I'm reading verbatim from an email from an anonymous donor of information. Erlang has many properties that make it an excellent choice for building highly concurrent servers, one of which is the ability to recompile and reload code while it is operating under certain circumstances the erlang VM will even execute both old and new code

44:26 Revisions of a code base simultaneously so very plausible the new code was loaded even while trades were being processed I can believe that. So, i'm really sticking with this. So it's running with a virtual machine? It'd be very powerful. I'll look into the Erlang language Yeah, I had never heard of it before but erlang dot org There's a lot of these really weird little languages that are specialty languages used for one thing or another I'm not...I wasn't arguing with the fact that I think something was was I totally in on the concept that somebody ran some beta code just to see what would happen and then took and then rocketed away saying whoops

45:07 and I don't know if they meant to crash the market, but I'm sure that it may have been just a test. I will say that the SEC is extremely disappointing in, you know so the first of all what's her name? The SEC chief. The one that used to be with the other agency that she moved over to the SEC. The one that ignored Matt Madoff and they replaced it with another woman who ignored Madoff. That one? Mary Shapiro! So she calls all of the exchange chiefs to Washington and you know so without actually... Is she a computer expert? Oh yes well they're all experts in everything blowout preventers, computer code Erlang. She looks like she's an Erlang hacker. So of course not! So instead of actually getting to the bottom of this which they can't

46:00 Because there's like 250 different exchanges they have to look at and they're like, well you know it's gonna take forever. The fact of the matter is they need some real hackers that spend it's going to take six months to figure this out. I think six months you couldn't even do it. Maybe it might take years but whatever play my stock market crash clip which is what we're hearing now, this is what it's deteriorated into which is a bunch of lame excuses and we don't know this, we don't know that. Maybe was this maybe was that I think were concluding this and we are concluding that Now, SEC Chairman Mary Shapiro and CFTC boss Gary Gensler are answering from lawmakers on the capital markets subcommittee about that thousand point market flash last week. Basically both of them saying that their collective staffs are working around the clock along with participants from the key exchanges to find out what actually caused that thousand point drop last week?

47:00 We will get to the bottom of this. I think we will be able to determine what the initial triggers were, that's going to take time there are 66 million trades on May 6th covering 19 and a half billion shares of stock Now, collectively Shapiro and Gensler are telling lawmakers so far they have ruled out the so-called notion of a fat finger trade. They say they've had no evidence of prior securities trading out of the extraordinary shall we say? No evidence of a terrorist type cyber security attempt at hacking if you will and CFTC chair Gary Gensler in particular is honing in on the notion that it really was a confluence of events

47:44 Our own review of trading data shows that somewhere starting around 240 some of the most actively traded participants in the futures market, some of these high frequency traders started to limit their participation around 242-243 and so forth. Yeah... they don't know They don't know but to limit their participation is where it's headed now First of all the guy says there was a confluence which means it was a coincidence The the then it follows up with this idea and this is the one i think that's death this get in the most traction which is well you know these guys uh... the high-frequency trader guys decided to turn off their program for some unknown reason and they're not compiling code efficiency and not participate and essentially because a high frequency trading is so dumb is so dominant really everybody does is not just goldman

48:44 It's propping up the market. So once they pull it, yeah That's actually not a bad theory Yeah No It's propping up the markets is buying and selling making things look real active and then they just shut that thing down for a minute And the market just collapses because there's no support What is really saying? Is that the market is I would be Really afraid if I was an investor with this one thought that they're starting to propagate which is that if it wasn't for The high-frequency trading this market would be down at six thousand Well, so let me ask you a question because I find the timing of this very interesting. This happened just before... Just days before the announcement of the now what is it almost a trillion dollar quote bailout of the European Union in the eurozone which many financial experts are now saying is probably one-tenth of what will actually be needed

49:39 Now the way I see this, people don't really understand what is going on with this bailout. It's not like we're giving money to governments and saying thank you for that money. They have to pay off these loans! And if I'm not incorrect, these loans are from huge banks like Citibank and Goldman Sachs. There's derivatives trades and all kinds of complex stuff but it is really going back to bankers people who lent these countries the money Is that a correct assumption?

50:17 Well, you're gonna have to say it again. Okay? So I see that's you know City Bank comes out and says well we do have an exposure degrees It was uh, you know two one point seven billion dollars or something like that so the exposure is Greece borrowed money and they have to pay that back because these bonds are now maturing and it's time to pay back the loan. But these loans are going to banks, so this money that Greece is receiving is going Horowitz said it right. It's kind of like we had a credit card, it's full, it gets cut up and now we get a new credit card but you know we still have all this debt hanging out there and its never-ending story but is ultimately to the holder the credit card which I believe are pretty much banks. The money coming from somewhere yeah so it's banks that are lending this money they may be seeing other some sovereign funds or like the Chinese you know but that's still a bank in it basically banks

51:19 Is it thinkable or within the realm of possibility that the banks are like, hey you know you guys better get this...better get your crap together. You better like show us the money and if not we're gonna crash everything watch this flip the switch for two seconds No well I mean from my perspective its no because it would screw there the banks would be more screwed than anyone uh... you know what i would be will they really because they'll just get a bailout from- I mean if you think it was just like, you know Salvo said to scare them and then really never do something like that but if they crash the whole system the banks are there might as well close up shop. They'll never get any money from anybody. No, I don't think so. It doesn't make sense to me. Uh..I think that this stock market thing was either an accident or beta test of something or could have been another but is something

52:12 corrected itself rather quickly and it looked like a switch kind of thing. I mean, it did have an on-and-off switch quality to it And...I don't know! I think is more nefarious than just a bunch of bankers Either more nefarious or more frightening or just accidental? I dunno! I just find the whole thing disturbing and its not.. I dont think its being really looked at from the perspective There's a lot of implications that are just not being discussed. Well, so I just yeah Yeah, and it was two days before most of these things happen like right on you know Like you know is more interesting your argument that Goldman You know got this, you know indicted and fined and then it happened at the mix No, no, that was my argument at all. That would I don't think that was my argument? No, no They just only make they just want to make money at the end of the day

53:04 Yeah, and they all want to make money. But this whole thing you know the whole... You can make a lot of money on the short side by the way No kidding If it goes that fast but if we look at the United States of Europe with this bailout I think where I really feel that were headed towards war Well, isn't that the theory of our show since the beginning? Yeah! It really seems like it's crazy. I was reading some Gitmo Nation Lowlands articles actually someone and i had to read this in English book and I had to read on a Dutch website is

53:40 This is who wrote Free Fall written by Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz and this is about Iceland. So, this is kind of what started things off in Europe. Iceland of course was the first country to really be taken down through no fault of the people. No agenda bookstore make note! Yes So here is an interesting passage from the book. Iceland's banks had, like banks elsewhere taken on high leverage and high risks when financial markets realized the risk and started pulling money out these banks and especially Landsbanki now this is yet you had the ice saver accounts which British citizens and Dutch citizens invested in through the internet right

54:29 These banks lured money from depositors in the UK and the Netherlands by offering them ice saver accounts with high returns. The depositors foolishly thought there was a free lunch, they could get higher returns without risk perhaps also foolishly thought their own governments were doing their regulatory job because it turns out and this is 2008 So the finance ministers, I guess it would be the exchequer in the United Kingdom and the minister of Finance in The Netherlands which I guess would be Wouter Bos. They should have known or they should have done some, what do you call it? Due diligence before allowing this cross-border trade and this investment through the internet. Essentially what these banks were doing was saying hey you know what we're in trouble here We're gonna need some money What do we do oh yeah let's get those saps from over there! We'll have them invest and will take their money They literally took their money And the finance ministers should've at least known this

55:32 And this was 2008, way before there was any sign of a problem in the public eye. It just seems like it's all done with intent and then of course UK and the Netherlands pay their citizens they say okay we'll front the bill and then they go on and screw Iceland I don't know You got me on this one. Worse you probably don't care anyway There's an element to that well this of course has nothing to do with finances It is all about control and the euro is a government project about world government, not about

56:18 Money, although of course money controls it all Brussels Dateline yesterday Europe announced radical plans Wednesday to pre vet member states budgets from the next year Drawing decidedly mixed reactions from euro giants Germany and France so the idea here is We have to we have to look at your accounting. We've got to see what your budgets are And we're gonna determine from Brussels from Starfleet command. We're gonna determine what you can do yeah Now, this is control. This is total control! I agree with that everything's about control the thing that still gets me and I don't know how long this can continue Is that when you start looking at the nexus of power in the EU it always crops up as Germany and France They're the biggest by population they seem to be both dominant they're both type A personality countries in this regard

57:18 When is it, how long is that partnership gonna last? It's never lasted in, throughout history. It's never lasted the basic personality types of those two countries are extremely incompatible So, would you disagree with that? No I totally agree and of course the French and the Brits are always ragging on each other all the time. They have a love-hate relationship like a couple of brothers. Well yeah but they love hate...they love the French wine and cheese and hate everything else. That's not a real love-hate relationship. Well it's true but yeah..but they're...I think its less of a genuine personality conflict

57:56 I mean, the personality conflict between England and France never see...I mean it's interesting but it is not to the extreme of core personalities in so far as the differences are concerned between the French and Germans. I think there's a core difference between their way they're raised, the way they think, the way they operate everything about them. The French and English is kind of laughable because you know It's just different is it's not I don't see it as a how many you know there were wars between those two countries ended You know hundreds and hundreds of years ago that French and the Germans have been battling for less 200 And they still are as far as I can tell. I mean what was something wrong with that analysis? You think no III think that's a good point I just wonder if it's gonna be by proxy if it just seemed so now we know France is actually attacking Britain

58:49 for the other British now that they would camera and all give you some interesting thing I want to think of a clip of this up Cameron's problem? Yeah, why don't we play that and then we can go into it. The fact is you know this is something Americans don't fully understand because we've been taught in school and I can assure you have been taught in school that England is a constitutional monarchy and the monarchy itself is a figurehead position that has no meaning That's what Americans generally think That's not what I think. Obviously if you play this clip, it could be... Alright, I'm just saying if her name is on the dotted line she may be a figurehead but her name is on the dotted line. Over to Simon Hobbs, certainly been a big day for the British government and we want to get a look at sort of wrap up everything that has been happening there and talk about how its going to affect currency markets. Simon, if you would just recap

59:44 the day's events. Well effectively 13 years of Labour Party rule, Trish in the United Kingdom have come to an end under Tony Blair and more latterly of course the man who was his finance minister Gordon Brown we had an election last Thursday after five days finally today Gordon Brown resigned as Prime Minister because that election all three parties gave none of them a majority he couldn't do a deal with the third party in order to gain office there you see him walking out of Downing Street to go and ask the Queen if he could move on in life. She then asked David Cameron, who is the head of the Conservative party if you would kindly form a government? He's now therefore the Prime Minister and indeed we believe or it's apparent that he's going to rule in coalition with the third party, the Liberal Democrats. The scale

1:00:30 Cameron's task, and this is what the markets are focused on Trish. It is absolutely enormous outside Downing Street as you see him there he spoke about confronting problems facing up to challenges and front-and-center of those challenges are the British deficit this year expected to be 250 billion dollars that's 12 point 8 percent of GDP far more Right. It ended there

1:01:21 Yeah, sorry because he goes on forever but the point he ends up making is that the Tories may be forever screwed because of what they have to do. But at the beginning of the clip was the interesting part which is The Queen you know Gordon Brown went there begging that he could leave and she said yes and then she as we've weeks and weeks and weeks ago on the show that you know cameron was obviously on the fast track to become the next prime minister it's time for him to take a baton in and then but but the fact that the queen had to get into the news cycle and tell him you know that here's what's been his what's what you're going to be the prime minister and then you can work with these other guys and you have to fix this problem really kinda takes away the idea that the queens of figurehead

1:02:07 Well, you know what? It's a good backstop. Because in case the elites don't get what they want then she can always just step in and say here is how we're going to do it. A couple of other interesting things I noticed about this coalition which was the first one in 30 years if 55% of the coalition government does not agree on an issue then they disband Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah well and of course you know what? I love it how i get email from people saying you don't understand our government works! Well maybe it's just interesting to listen to how American... That looks great honey Maybe it's just interesting to learn how Americans think about it but I did live there and I do think that I have some knowledge what's going on so this is how a cabinet falls So 55% doesn't seem like a lot

1:02:59 You know, it seems like things could be kind of worked out particularly when you note that in this new cabinet Listen to the bankers who are now members of Parliament. Mark Garnier, emerging markets specialist Joe Johnson brother of London Mayor Boris Johnson who worked at Deutsche Bank Jacob Rees-Mogg formerly of Rothschild and Lord George Management Investment management expertise boosted by the arrival of Richard Graham former head of international business of Barings Asset Management also founder of the British Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai

1:03:37 And then we have Matthew Hancock, who was George Osborne's chief of staff and brains behind the conservatory economic policies. He was co-author of the Arculus Report on red tape and regulation commissioned by the Tories. Mark Reckless, economist for Barings & Warburg Bank... There are a lot of bankers in there! So who do you think... Don't you think it's interesting how the bankers are taking over the world of politics when it used to be the lawyers? Well, it is a much easier way to control people through their money. The law stuff is complicated and takes a lot of time to write. You know here just like shut up slave I'm gonna take your money! It's like okay what do you want me to do

1:04:28 One other interesting little ditty in the coalition document, which I read. Which of course is interesting because these two parties, the liberal democrats and conservatives have very different views on a number of issues. On most things? Yeah! One of the big ones seems to be a change in the way voting will happen which will include a referendum that's actually one of the longest pieces of the document There's some banking reform, immigration political reform. The funniest one though is out of nowhere we're gonna implement high-speed rail! It's right there in the coalition agreement. Really? Yeah. Listen to this I love this

1:05:21 the establishment of a high-speed rail network. So it's not just we're going to talk about, we're gonna do it! The cancellation of the third runway at Heathrow... planes good.. planes bad trains good Wow! The refusal of additional runways at Gatwick and Stansted and the replacement of the air passenger duty with a per flight duty so No wait, just go over that again. We're grounded the establishment of a high-speed rail network no no no no the last part about oh The replacement of the air passenger duty the tax with a per flight tax so now it's like mean Oh That means it's easier for guys to keep planes on the ground because there's extra taxes if it actually flies and I believe that the airlines have to charge that if they don't already

1:06:14 It's a tricky one. Well, there's definitely a movement to yeah I think this is the you've nice find by the way Thank You Reading you know it's not that hard to BBC By the way mandating and national recharging network for electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles Mandating mind you a mandate for power outlets on the highway? Do you know how long it takes or recharge of battery operated car? What are you gonna do, park it there for 12 hours and take it? I mean maybe in one of these things where you can sleep all night. Or at a motel... I still think it takes longer to prep this show than it does to charge your car Just one funny little bit Remember that... By the way, you know how long it takes to charge an iPad? Not that long actually Five minutes Yeah well just a little more than five No no five minutes because I went to this store the other day And I gave them the American Express card took five minutes

1:07:18 But a boom wait I have The tech grouch joke by the way. I like that so remember the crazy lady who was yelling although you kind of blew the joke Just mentioning it, you know I didn't know it was a joke I'm just saying I'm a horrible man Kay Burley is that crazy woman who was yelling, the Sky News woman who was yelling at the contestant. Oh that horrible person! Yeah so this is really funny she's gonna get sued. So apparently she doesn't do just political stuff but she also was covering Naomi Campbell and there are a whole bunch of photographers and everybody out there trying to get a shot of Naomi Campbell and some photographer bumps his lens into her cheek

1:08:06 And by the way, she's an elitist. She is a royal escort with her big hat on and everything lovely So she gets pissed off, she grabs the photographer by the throat and chokes her! And then later she says... I didn't put my hands on anyone. I was provoked well i might have put my hands up you know? I didn't choke anybody Great pictures of her literally with with a hand around this poor photographer's throat Choking her there's a picture of her neck is completely scarred with the with his choke marks This woman is a horrible horrible elitist person

1:08:54 She's terrible and then if she's so naive not to notice that everybody everyone's taking her picture Everyone was taking pictures. What an idiot. That's funny. It's in the show gets fired Yeah, it's a no-show notes at no Not gonna get fired. She's perfect. No, he's perfect So let's get back to this other point which is they I don't see I haven't heard a more obvious uh... rails good airplanes bad example yeah then that one because they want you to know what i have put the extra of runways up no we're not going to do that but yes we're gonna do high-speed rail which and i don't know that mean it britain is anne what did they need a high speed rail for their where you were you gonna go the trains are already such as success and there's so much more double they take the toilet on the trip to toilets out

1:09:48 to make room. So I say long on adult diapers now it's crazy. So okay we got an email from somebody in Australia discussing their, they got all out of the blue that this guy sent us a note saying that well I thought you guys are full of crap and what does high-speed rail thing is it? Then he says all of a sudden apparently passed with no discussion was like a billion dollars for high speed rail in Australia which he says is extremely ludicrous because there's a huge distance between all the towns and if you want to go to Perth on a high speed rail no matter how fast when we still take days

1:10:28 Well, I've taken that Trans-Australia line. It's 24 hours from like Melbourne to Perth And that doesn't go very fast, so it would go faster than that I think It's a how far is Melbourne to Port Perth. It's about 24 hours by train Yeah, but how much thank you very much? I don't know it's a famous real well. Is there with the India Pacific yeah? No, I've heard of when you want to take But anyway it seems to me that I don't know this whole high-speed rail thing is getting on my nerves Well there's two other things actually three other things um

1:11:05 Somebody also did some calculations on whatever the difference is to make the high-speed rail line unless it is an express line Is you has to stop all the time so the momentum, you know It goes up, you know the 200 miles an hour 300 let's hope and then it has a slow to nothing and stopped dead I mean that you know So your average speed is gonna be next to nothing somebody talked to me about there apparently some Japanese technology No one's implemented this. Yeah, but I have it in the show notes the animation of it of the top car being dropped off? Yeah, it's like they just unhook it. Like, hey I'm unhooking get out and so it does slow down a little bit but doesn't stop and then basically roars past the station The car... So everyone has to move into the drop-off car Everybody is like a mailbag

1:11:51 with a hook. It's just like, I'm on the hook and then it'll pick up the people who are waiting in the car that you know that is at that station and so it never really stops but this has not implemented yet. And its never going to be because it's too crazy but I think it would be funny they have a system like that because you can imagine your like you're on your train trip to your marriage and say hey honey gotta go to the bathroom I'll be right back you just sneak up to that top car into the drop-off car boom the train is on its way and you're like back behind the line so two things I wanted to mention there's something we have to be on a lookout for showing up everywhere in I'll just say real news sites are anti plane stories

1:12:41 I have two of them one from Gitmo Nation Lowlands and one from the National Journal which is that US? It's either you look us or yes, it's you and I think it's u.s.. Okay And so they'll have a story No, I'm sorry. This is UK they'll have a story Is the three-hour tarmac delay rule good for travelers and it's Lisa Caruso writes in the National Journal blah blah blah harsh penalties for US Airlines blah blah blah blah blah blah And then it's the whole page is filled with banners for northern Norfolk Southern transportation

1:13:23 Yeah, for the railway. And then there's one from the Netherlands on newsout.com and by the way these are not rotating banners these are set banners that do not rotate I've been...I captured them first in PDFs and refreshed refreshed the next day so top story The ash cloud, I'm translating on the fly. The ash cloud from the Iceland volcano is still disrupting air traffic in the north of Europe Here's the latest news and the most recent predictions foreclosures and right underneath it high-speed the fast and always trustworthy alternative

1:14:10 Travel by train in the middle of the page right underneath the story I think well, but why would they be promoting it in them on the continent because they've got already have it No no. No the Netherlands that oh the high-speed train story in The Netherlands is a two decade old story They started this of course all of this started a long time ago They they flattened villages, houses everything for this gutter which is going to have this high-speed train and the gutter's been there for a decade but the train is still not running. Now this has been a multi billion dollar fiasco in the Netherlands What difference does it make in Holland if you had high speed rail or not? You get on a slow train and your out of the country in about 14 minutes Well I've been thinking about it

1:15:05 And the only thing I could come up with is, with air travel you don't control anything except the takeoff and the landing. Yeah sure there's control over where you fly etc., but you can't tax someone for going over land... There's no infrastructure in the sky it's just a money grab! If we can move people on Earth then we can make a lot more money off of them that's the only thing i can see I don't know, i still think it's about freight. I mean Norfolk Southern or whatever you're talking about that other plant- that other operation? That's not a company that is ever going to carry passengers! That's a pure freight company Is it? Yeah! I'm not familiar with them

1:15:48 It's a freight company. I mean Burlington Northern is a freight company, the only people doing passenger traffic in the US because everybody else said this is a loser is Amtrak and they contract with a few of the other rails for their right-of-ways but you know what Norfolk Southern is never going to go into the passenger business in a million years I'm clicking on the banner and this is funny. Thefutureneedsus.com Oh, that's great! You see a road with cars and it's all smoky and then dusty... Smokey old cars Go to the future needs us dot com And then it goes to a freight train So first you see cars with two trucks and then whoop Freight train Amazing

1:16:38 The future needs us. It needs green jobs, a competitive economy, clear roads, clean air... You know what? I think anyone out there who has friends in the Teamsters union should be on this because this is an direct attack on the infrastructure of trucking in this country which is extreme. Not just this country but every country John. In every country but we are very truck oriented more so than Europe So I would say that something is up. We know something's up, it just you know... Well of course the big news and as Rahm Emanuel said never let a good crisis go to waste is John Kerry introduced the new version of the cap-and-trade bill yesterday Oh another version of the cap-and-trade scam Yes

1:17:30 Did you see the by the way did you see the fact that now science magazine finally revealed the fact I did this on the blog By the way, Devorah dot org slash blog that that polar bear picture was totally photoshopped. It would be scam Yeah, it's in the it's in the show notes Nobody of course will mention this today You know carry or anybody else as they try to plow through this cap and trade scams out-and-out scam You know all the pro-global warmists are all going, oh well you can't take a chance. We're just trying to yeah okay we used the bad photo but it was still good ideas right? And not only that but they also used another picture of a house underwater saying this was because of global warming flooding was happening everywhere and they got that off of stockphoto.com

1:18:21 or iStockphoto.com and it says literally right there, this is computer generated. So a couple of things and then we should get into thanking some of our our supporters today. So first of all, this bill which I looked it's 890 pages i looked through yesterday has cap and trade right in there of course is very complicated language but wow what a rollout we have this thing happening in the gulf every everyone's going crazy because you know were all gonna die and then cap-and-trade gets rolled out and its now called

1:19:02 Hold on a second. It's called the Climate Change Bill in the public vernacular, just S1733 uh... it is a bill to create clean energy jobs of course it's all about jobs oh yeah it's always about jobs yes, and the children. Yes, it's always about jobs. Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! uh... reduce global warming pollution and transition to a clean energy economy short title The Clean Energy Jobs and American Power Act

1:19:40 And he had Dow Corning, he had everybody there. All the guys who were gonna get a whole bunch of money and by the way it's free! John Kerry said it yesterday this is free It's gonna cost us nothing its all free I need to get that clip Its Free! Don't worry about it, ITS FREE This guy has turned out to be one of the great sleazeballs Total asswipe So everyone on board with this program and I wanna play a clip from Geraldo And so of course this is all on the heels of the disaster, the monumental massive disaster. We've never seen anything like it in the history of all mankind in the Gulf

1:20:23 interesting to note that you don't see any aerial photographs no one's got a helicopter showing this huge oil spill because I guess the oil is under the water. Well there are some pictures on National Geographic. Yeah but why is it if it was really that horrible why don't I see I hear about the turtles but i don't see birds with oil. Well, we had one clip that we didn't play it was last week or the week before and they found a dead bird! And of course this is not fun...

1:21:00 It's just like health care, you know. Where are all the people jumping up and down on the news saying yeah I've got healthcare? You don't see him because it's not happening because it's not true Because if it was I'm sure they would want to report on it so Geraldo has a guy go out and talk to a fisherman And by the way, the water's blue. It's beautiful. The guy is a salty guy. He has wind in his hair and he is being interviewed by one of Geraldo's dudes. Even Greenpeace recognizes America's need to be energy independent and Steiner scoffs at conspiracy theories that the Obama administration was slow to respond because it secretly wanted to undermine offshore oil industry By the way that's a little message for us to play the clip

1:21:49 Hey, you guys no agenda guys that we're talking about you I think that's kind of ludicrous Noah has placed a ban on fishing in most of the Gulf costing billions was the band and overreaction isn't it possible that this water this big body of water will just churn and to wash this stuff out. Let's hope so, I mean this is an open ocean environment there's going to be some wave activity and such it's a very different ecosystem than Alaska and elsewhere but... That i find very interesting because of course I'm not a biologist or a waterologist

1:22:29 But it is a different ecosystem, he says. And the waves can make a difference and I mean do you hear that John? You agree there's something... It is different from Alaska! That's what he just said this guy's an expert. Yeah Okay good. It's exposing all the water column organisms to toxicity that otherwise weren't. So, I mean there is no win out of this it's a lose-lose situation Do you see what is happening in the oil industry and offshore drilling comparable or some kind of parallel like the movie Avatar? Oh wait! It gets better John You thought it stopped there You know, these environments... we're terrestrial primates and so we get what goes on on land.

1:23:13 But humans haven't spent a lot of time on the ocean most people have and so it's a little bit of foreign environment for people but these are precious productive environments the oceans Sustained much of life on earth. So yeah, this is this is a treasure treasure a national treasure that we shouldn't put This this is fantastic this this is Now, your brain is about to fart. This is our avatar! It could... certainly could be Although the fight Sigourney and director James Cameron are waging to protect the rights of indigenous people in Amazon from a huge hydroelectric plant Is a world away from the situation in Gulf oil spill The principle is the same Protecting planet from those interested only quick profits Tell me

1:24:07 Since when do people, oil companies don't make quick profits. It takes billions and I'm...I don't want to sound like an oil company show but that's just bullshit! That's total bullshit and the bill one of these hydroelectric plants it takes decades deep to plant it and all the rest this side is anything but a quick profit as a profit but it's not quick and it's not easy It gets better. How is your life affected knowing the change that Avatar has had? I mean, so now we're on the avatar tip... ...in the world and making people more environmental But who was he talking to? ...conscious when you went to visit these people in their natural environment You know what I feel that Avatar did was show the world how concerned people are about our planet That we are aware of the damage were doing toward planet that- UGH! Sigourney Weaver

1:24:58 Unbelievable. Yeah, it showed people the damage we're doing to our planet No! It showed blue people in 3D! It is time more than time for us to stop now and all help each other find energy efficient ways of producing energy Shameless. What kills me though? Shameless shameless shameless Oh wait I can roll it out hold on John here comes I can finally do what have been waiting all day Pink pink pink Big, big, big. It's John's Big Beef! It's all about things that bring him grief He doesn't scream he doesn't shout He reaches in and whips it out He doesn't care who he offends When he starts his rants It's John's Big Beef! It's too big for his pants

1:25:53 I think that's your first and last playing of that not short ditty. Oh my god! It's so big!! It's your big beef? Yeah, alright but yeah it's completely outrageous that this is ridiculous and then what it was a role in this is on fox only ever but listen to what her although says his comeback after this uh... this bit with the we have a good day by the way yes or any river created she seems to me that this may be pivotal moment to re-energize a real environmental movement not you know uh... politicians and others who are claiming making preposterous claims not backed by science but having kids and people

1:26:47 i get involved the way they did in previous disasters three mile island for instance or what your noble I know you'd love it. The kids are getting involved in Chernobyl! They don't have any hair, let me tell you that's one aspect of it. Three Mile Island... Kids need to get involved! The politicians can't change anything. Kids from Chernobyl who were involved in Chernobyl! Those bald kids from Chernobyl! Listen, it gets better. See the Deepwater Horizon disaster as the Three Mile Island and even the Exxon Valdez a way the industry, you know? The tanker industry was changed. The nuclear industry was changed so this is going to be a catalyst and environmentalists want to see more of a move to cleaner energy as a result. So it just goes on and on... This is unbelievable! And I guess because the Democrats run for office... Why is Geraldo...? I mean I thought Fox at least had some semblance of middle-of-the road to right wing attitude about things. This is just out in

1:27:51 Crap, but what's a Raldo doing there? I mean why doesn't he just go to CNBC well because Fox is run by the Democrats Run by the Democrats we are we it isn't run by obviously it's run by the Democrats. They have this report Which was nothing less than pathetic and I'm glad I didn't see it cuz my blood would have been boiling By the time I had dubbed it so the thing that gets me And of course I watch a lot of C-SPAN, is that all the politicians are doing the same thing. We need clean energy! Hey, I don't think anyone is against windmills...I don't think anyone's against solar but it doesn't work well enough we know you can just like

1:28:38 So we're still a money loser. Yeah, it's like it doesn't work Nuclear all right I'm all for that what what does the administration give us? A couple of bullshit promises for maybe eight nuclear plants Maybe and the problem that we have with new nukes in this country are Well, no. There's also the fact that people go, France! France! France! France has a standardized power plant. Everyone is the same if you hire somebody that runs the power plant outside of Chinon at some other place in France they... The controls are the same In the United States all the nuke power plants we've done

1:29:15 all custom made, they're all different. They are extremely expensive. They are crap by comparison because we got to use the latest technology so they keep changing things and General Electric of course is the big winner in that regard there one other many companies but GE that's why you always never hear anything really negative about these things on MSNBC It just a corrupt horrible situation I don't know. I just find this distressing that they keep propagandizing people at the level of a movie called Avatar Yeah, I mean is that do they really think the public is that stupid? I'm sure yes Yes, John Shut up

1:30:09 Well, let's credit some of our non-slave listeners. Yes it's about time. Obviously who think for themselves for helping us out on this last show and by the way we do have show number 200 coming up on Sunday And now's the time, I don't want to pre-promote it but now is the time if you want to be one of the executive or associate executive producers for show number 200 and God knows if we'll get to 500 which will be the next big breakthrough. We're not going to do 250? Or 333? Or something like that? Oh we definitely would do 333 now that you mention it Yeah thank you, I thought so. Oh yeah, 333 absolutely That's the next milestone in our career

1:30:52 250 might happen too. That'd be nice to get you. If we get hungry, we'll do 250. We're running out of money! If I get a huge tax bill or some shit like that... Which can happen any minute after you brought in the Japanese machine gun. That's how they do it, be like hey 2007 you still owe us money from when we were rich you bastard come here I'm just waiting for it. A report of a Japanese machine gun be why did you get the report oh these guys are bragging about on some podcast? So Adam Birkpile who I believe is the creator of the Pocket No Agenda app

1:31:34 Donated $150 so I'm gonna presume that's from sales of the pocket no agenda app which i have to say is one of my favorites. I really do like it It's a winner yeah John Snyder from Chicago The the run-of-numbers, The Straight 1 2 3 4 5 hundred and twenty three dollars and forty five cents then we have Daniel Tersteny From Woodbury, Connecticut. Adam please dedicate a song to my wife on this Friday's DSC. Okay I'll do that on Friday sorry about that but he's clearly supporting the whole concept of the show with his $110 and 20 cents then we have anonymous from Montreal Quebec Canada Adam stop promoting Doctors Without Borders look into one of their founders Dr. Bernard Kuchner

1:32:33 French foreign secretary great show hmm. Oh, I don't think I've been overly promoting them No, we only actually only mentioned them a couple of times during the early days of Haiti But we will look into this and we will find the perfect the perfect charity for that Haitian relief and I'm getting the opinion or they're coming to the conclusion. We got a good note from Some what one of our issues actually did some research on that and I wouldn't mind talking about it on the International Red Cross Yeah, no, no on Haiti and the Internet the International Red Cross. I'm not there yet but Haiti Okay, well the International Red Cross is just an out and out. They got nothing to do with anything. They're a profitable organization I calculated. Yeah they are human rights operations it's got nothing to do with medicine And there's that shop in Haiti... I looked at their balance sheet they have six hundred million dollars in the bank Wow

1:33:27 Well, some of it's in derivatives by the way about 10% Yeah, why not? Good Christopher D'Escoto double nickels on the dime from Las Vegas Nevada. Hey got a better job two weeks ago I told myself I was able to find a better job this year would start a plan to become a knight four days later I got a call from an old boss basically offering me my dream job and it changed to move back to where my family lives I'm driving across the country from Las Vegas to PA My friend Steve from Detroit is a... DOOSHBAG! He's been listening from day one but not contributing. And Harry Meyer, from Stevenson Ranch California, also 5151 and then we have ClickLab Limited from Auckland New Zealand John that's wrong that's for Dvorak Uncensored Oh it shouldn't be on that list Okay take that off

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1:37:42 Yeah, and if you think about what your time is worth the fact that we don't have commercials to the tune of probably saving you four hours. If you listen to the show all the time a lot of people do saving you probably 4 or 5 maybe 6 hours a month of your personal time What is your time worth? We would appreciate it on monthly basis You know It's cheap investment To be honest about it to help us out It's cheaper than one of Elliot Spitzer's hookers Yeah, well he was going for you had the big money hookers I think he's with a two three thousand dollar girls and I don't think they were even worth it really when I looked at him Hey the Voyager 2 John which I recall This one. I was probably crap. I don't know 10 no not even ten years old one of this thing launch voyeur Voyager to launched in here it is 1977 and nature sorry

1:38:41 Veejer that's the one that becomes a Borg robot and comes back and tries to kill us all. Well it started as Voyager 2, all of a sudden started to transmit data that NASA could not decode So now of course, you know the Voyager this is the one that we put a whole bunch We put like Chuck Berry Johnny be good and we put music in there. We put like symbols And you know some poppy seeds and some other stuff from you know They if you guys discover us out there and this is what we're all about Here's who we are and this thing sends back signals takes about 13 hours for the signals to

1:39:24 To reach either way and of course it NASA has been in contact with it continuously. It's now at the very edge of our solar system and on April 22nd, the data packets returning from Voyager 2 cannot be decoded they've changed so I'm thinking Someone's on board send the messages back Some kid Some space some space kid is on there like hey, let me send some stuff back. He's probably sending his version of Johnny be good back So they've NASA is somewhat puzzled over this so I think it's kind of interesting that The data packets change and that doesn't just happen

1:40:18 You know, why would the computer all of a sudden just like start changing the packets and what it you know? So I wish it was like open source and we could get these packets and they should do like a SETI at home type thing. And uh... They should let everyone work on it and try to decode what messages are coming back. Don't we own this data as citizens of the United States of Gitmo? I would think. It'd be nice. I want to give some props One of our producers, as you know our listeners are our producers. I'm seeing more and more of this... ...of people doing the research for us so it's all- By the way, I think we forgot to mention that people if they want a donate where they can go? Yeah that would be helpful wouldn't it? It would be helpful noagendashow.com dvorak.org slash NA

1:41:07 And, uh, channeldvorak.com slash NA that might be useful and especially if you want to be one of the producers of the 200th show I think I would encourage participation and by the way we still have the Deuce Club it finishes off at Show 200 We're still collecting $200 for the 200th show as a tribute And we're gonna have a celebration episode which is going to deconstruct our own show and that's still that's still going on Devorah org slash deuce and every I sent a mailing out, you know, I'm pure You know, you're sending it these too many mailings. They send like two a month and Too many mailings right? How many shows do you get a month but we do too many shows John let's cut back

1:41:50 Just cut back. So anyway, we're just normal complainers but anyway the point is that this is a good moment to join the Deuce Club and of course some people pointed out that our logo for The Deuce Club looks like two enormous breasts And you think thats a mistake? Of course its not a mistake Exactly I'm just amazed at people who think it's a mistake By the way the chat room has already solved the Voyager 2 issue They say that the Voyagers SSL certificate from Network Solutions expired. So, that's clearly what is going on there. Our producer Kevin Flick

1:42:29 did some work on Haiti of course you know the drill by now this is a total takeover the country it's going to be great tourist destination Bill Clinton who economically screwed the country throughout his entire visit in the White House is now at the UN special envoy and he's in charge of billions of dollars but interestingly enough, the people of Haiti are drowning and are dying But of course we only need about 30,000 of them to man the hotels. That's probably what they're thinking so all these links are in the show notes I'm not going to belabor it but he found an interesting path of articles The oil developers are about to buy the island of La... I guess it's Jonave

1:43:22 And this is about two miles from the epicenter of the earthquake. And these guys have been trying to buy this for years and now all of a sudden it looks like they're going to buy, actually buying the island And it's so funny when you see some of the paperwork from Global Renewable Energy. There are Q&A, like FAQs saying what will happen to the inhabitants? Will they no longer be citizens of Haiti? No they'll be citizens! Well what will life be like? Life will be the same only better. That is literally their answer. They call themselves Global Renewable Energy but they're an oil outfit

1:44:03 And so in September of 2009, this is just three months before the earthquake. Bill Clinton spoke at the annual Haitian Unity Congress And of course the global renewable energy guys were there, we've got all kinds of pictures with them and it's so obvious what is going on there. It turns out according to Global Renewable Energy... Let me just get the FAQs for you because it's really funny. So how many people live on La Jonave? About 90 thousand. Why develop

1:44:42 Well, it is situated on the Windward Passage which is one of the world's most highly trafficked energy sea lanes. This I did not know so this is why its strategically so important because it'll be great to have a huge port there It's sheltered in the Gulf of La Jonave protected by high mountain ranges and it doesn't get much better! This is the perfect place...the perfect place What do you think? What do you mean, what do I think? I mean what's it perfect about me. You'd think that they would put in for example... It sounds to me if there is a bunch of it... Are you saying tankers go by there? Yeah! So what we want to do because you know we talked about this manipulation of the oil and gas prices so what you wanna doing yet this is what I would look out for in the future this will be my prediction as opposed your zombie prediction

1:45:35 You know what? I'm the one with the machine gun. When you just come over here when you need protection, okay? Yeah yeah when's the last time you cleaned that thing so anyway um i'm thinking if you have to protected port and everything that it sounds to me like a place you'd put a tank farm up and these big tankers are coming in offload... Yes now look I'm sorry It's in the FAQs three mammoth tanks. You're right! Oh well I'm already ahead of myself Yep Well three is only the beginning I'm looking at the FAQs right now. Oh, and it's going to be an oil refinery! I didn't even need to read the FAQs, I could see this coming. Why locate an oil refinery on La Genève? Well the island needs to have a balance of trade and be self-sufficient for the 90 000 people who are there they need an oil refinery The oil refiner will produce diesel fuel for machinery & generators jet fuel for airports bunker sea fuels for cruise ships petroleum coke for power plants asphalt for required paved area

1:46:40 steam industrial city and water for the industrial city. If it were necessary to import the aforementioned supplies, the island of Lajonave will be less attractive basically stinking up the place. Because if you don't have a lot of air pollution control devices on these refineries, because of the nature depending on what kind of crude oil you have but generally speaking we don't really do a lot... they talk about sweet and sour that's typical two types of crude oils that are available and then there is kinds of hybrids

1:47:24 pretty amazing. Bolivian oil, for example is notorious for almost being able to pump it out of the ground and put it right into a diesel engine without refining at all but anyway generally speaking you have two kinds of oils sweet and sour in the sweet oils what we usually have here sweet crude you see traded as a commodity and sweet crude goes in doesn't have a lot of sulfur doesn't stink up the place sour crude which has plenty of that around you gotta take it someplace like Haiti where you can refine it and just stink the place up without anybody worrying about it or complaining because who's gonna complain? Ah, nobody. A bunch of Haitians they're all drowning anyway so anyway the kicker the very last question on the FAQ and this goes completely to my theory of earthquake machines ready

1:48:08 What happens if the government of Haiti does not approve the project soon? So this was written a couple years ago. This FAQ The project has been delayed for nearly three years The developers are becoming impatient If the project is not approved soon, then it will be moved to the Dominican Republic so there you go Oh interesting the developer that's a little by the way patient Of course it's a threat Yes, it's an idle threat though because the Dominican Republic which is not going to put... I'm assuming they're gonna be doing a crude sour crude refining. Because that's what you would do The Dominican Republic wouldn't put up with it so they wouldn't allow a refinery like that in their area So anyway from this site now I started to do some research I bump across two

1:49:05 Oh, by the way one other thing. Monsanto those nice folks... Where's my jingle for them? I haven't used that in such a long time here it is. Yeah you lost it! They're so nice they're helping out the Haitians they sent them 475 tons of genetically modified seeds Thank You Monsanto that sounds sweet of you That's so nice So from this site, I bump around and on some pro-Haitian sites. And I come across something called the United States Institute of Peace

1:49:42 Have you ever heard of this? I did and not only heard of it but they had him on C-SPAN once and i tried to get some clips from a speech the guy was giving but it was so dull. I didn't get anything well these guys uh... and they have a beautiful building by the way oh they're loaded with money. And, by the way there's their pay the congress pays for them So its us we're basically paying for it It's just, it's amazing what they are the one... No we have to be everywhere and help people to propagate peace. We're here to propagate peace! We provide an... Hold on The United States of Peace is an independent nonpartisan institution established and funded by Congress to increase the nation's capacity to manage international conflict without violence so they're all over Haiti And then from that

1:50:36 I jump to the International Crisis Group. Oh my god! This is an amazing thing, working to prevent conflict worldwide because they're aligned with United States Institute of Peace and then you look at the crisis group and their board of trustees well i should just mention a couple of them perhaps let me guess are all one world government guys oh yeah George Soros, Kofi Annan The big new Brzezinski, your buddy. All the dudes are in here it's like it just is an amazing list. It must have a great drinking club! It IS a great drinking club! It's just amazing and so they're all involved with helping Haiti and keeping the peace and let's say hey we're the developers are becoming impatient

1:51:36 Unbelievable. So anyway, I want to thank Kevin Flake for doing that research and all of those links are on the show notes pretty amazing and we had a two to the head as well which was kind of interesting Russian scientist who is at Fermilab do you know what Fermilab is? Fermilab is...I think it's It's a collider? Oh, maybe yeah. Yeah I think it may be the second largest police... so what happened is... He may have been shot by someone from the future! Well no actually it's a she and 24 year old visiting Russian scientist Maria Beloyevan

1:52:35 And, uh... She fell to her death in the atrium. It's their favorite way of doing it! They're not quite sure how it happened but yeah she fell off the stairs into the atrium of the Fermilab and Of course she died 16-story building several bridges you know one these beautiful Beautiful Hadron Collider type things So of course all the conspiracy nuts who are crazier than I am, are out there saying she had information about the weaponization of these colliders. I put a link in the show notes about that but it's interesting that 24 year old Russian scientist stumbles and falls to her untimely death in the atrium

1:53:31 It happens all the time. Yeah, it does they should did any more safety features on these things and Big props to a guy I have met once I spoke with him for a couple of hours his name is young pote And he is a real estate developer from the Netherlands. And he got into a huge public fight, number of years ago because his idea... He's a very rich guy. His idea was to create something called Chips Hole. So you have Schiphol, which is the airport and they have all this real estate. I mean that airport is really a real estate project and he wanted to put in office buildings He wanted Cisco to be there. He had all the contracts yet Everything was all set it was good to go and then the government just pushed him out It's well documented You know that he sued them

1:54:25 uh... the judges were kind of losing ground uh... ministry of justice as switch the judges on and was all kinds of crazy shit going on so this guy is a definitely a radical he's very very smart uh... he says what sixty or seventy years old now sweet doesn't give us of rats ass you to gotta full page ad in in one of the Gitmo Nation Lowlands newspapers and basically said, the Ministry of Justice is crap. And why are you protecting the pedophile? Yeah! Yep this is the Director General of Justice who has admitted that he's a pedophile but he still in his position

1:55:14 so to speak and he basically is saying you know what I have a whole dossier here if you guys don't play by the rules neither will i, im gonna release all the information. Oh well hes going to be dead shortly yeah well we'll see. I hope he has backups all over the place ready to go drop into public domain that's what you gotta do Well the thing is this information isnt in the public domain everybody knows it Except he might have some new stuff. It doesn't matter I mean the the media won't reply by the way what good is it done? Yeah, the media doesn't report on it They don't care and really don't so I got a couple more things here before we finish Yes Oh one moment just whistle for a second John Why am I breaking up Mickey has a very important meeting so I wanted to give her some extra love Okay

1:56:16 Okay, we're back. We're back! We're back! I'm like a human theremin... Whatever that is Yeah you should look it up Here's something that bothers me if you notice the way the media has switched around the idea I want to play yeah got a clip here from Keith Olderman who was talking with John Dean on and he mentioned something interesting. We can play the whole clip or part of the clip, but you probably should play the whole thing. But it's about this Miranda rights thing which people keep talking about and holders come out and said well whether we should deal with some criminal as a terrorist or not? Well so there is... let me help you set this up There is now the what are they called belligerent

1:57:07 combatant terrorist homegrown act or something that's been proposed. So basically if you talk crap about the government, you're belligerent not only will your Miranda rights but they're actually talking now about the Secretary of State being able to take away your citizenship Which of course is the end around the Miranda rights, because first you take away your citizenship. Oh now you don't have the Miranda rights? Well that's really going on it seems to me there actually and if you just listen to the news and they hear they're complaining about

1:57:46 you know, John McCain part of this whole ridiculous situation. Oh they read him his Miranda rights! They shouldn't have done that. Why are they reading him his Miranda rights? And so we think that the debate is about whether you should read somebody their Miranda rights but when you start looking into it and John Dean I think points us out on this little clip i've got here from on the Keith Older Man show... And who was John Dean? John Dean's a former White House counsel under Nixon. Okay, and he's basically a writer and I think he's Connected some are you being ageist? What Keith older man? Yeah, it's old sir. No, I just think it's a funny pun Yeah

1:58:30 So, I mean...I'm John Olderman. Yeah okay. So anyway they...but here's what i'm trying to get at which is they keep talking about reading the rights, reading their rights No! They're talking about eliminating these rights In other words even if you read them or not and say I want a lawyer They say screw you You got no right to a lawyer That's what going on. They're trying to pull and holders part of this, pull the entire Miranda rights thing now it is not about reading the rights it's about having the rights and nobody talking about it. The safety context with this new threat I think we have to give serious consideration to at least modifying that public safety exception as one other things that I think will be reaching out to Congress to do come up with proposal that is both constitutional but there is also relevant to our time in the threats that we now face

1:59:19 No indication that a broader exception to Miranda based on international terrorism would even satisfy those bending the issue for political purposes who do not want terror suspects at all put through our nation's criminal justice system. Rudy Giuliani, for instance supported Hilder's proposal he said it would It would still be better to hold suspects like Shahzad as military detainees. Giuliani joins the likes of Senator Lindsey Graham and Senator Joe Lieberman, who have offered various ideas about how to discard Miranda rights in the case of a terror suspect. Let's bring in his promise former White House counsel now columnist for Findlaw dot com John Dean also the author of Blind Ambition. John good evening Good evening Keith Are we clear yet what Holder is proposing here? Do you have any idea

2:00:02 Well, I actually caught the clips and then thought that isn't very clear so i went back and looked at the entire transcript. And uh... it wasn't clear first if he was really responding just to leading questions or if he'd actually had some proposal in mind that he had in mind of the justice department appears as a latter although i don't think he was ready to announce it on sunday but rather it was forced out because of the questioning It would seem as if a public safety exception to Miranda would be enough of a dilution and we just saw its effectiveness in practical real-time circumstances in New York, in the capture an arrest an interrogation of Shahzad. But why would anybody think that's not sufficient?

2:00:44 Well, it's certainly good political grandstanding. The right has been hammering on this on how tough they are on terrorism and how weak the Democrats are so they keep pounding that drum It looks like Mr. Holder and the administration is trying to respond to that They're never going to satisfy it In fact we don't need legislation There's no evidence that Miranda has ever been a problem for law enforcement There's no evidence of its problem now with terrorism there's no evidence they need anything more in the exception than they already have In 2000, the Supreme Court addressed a Miranda case or a case that was supposed to... Yeah. That's pretty outrageous! Yeah they basically you know want to be able to arrest you give you no rights to an attorney probably try it you know just throw in the slammer beat the crap out of you whatever What happens is a van pulls up they threw a hood over your head and you're gone never heard from again yeah perfectly legal

2:01:42 And I'm telling you that Hillary Clinton, she's doing something with this take away your citizenship. That's a part of it John. Yeah. Just take away your... Take away your citizenship? Yes! That's the easy way around who needs legislation if Hillary Clinton can say, oh you're no longer a citizen. What a crazy world we live in. It turns out President Obama has a social security number from Connecticut where he's never worked So we're still in dispute whether he's an actual natural born citizen and someone like me and you who were born here, we just go oh! You're not a citizen anymore. In the slammer you go rendition flight goodbye That's where it's leading so now I have one last clip I have a bunch but i think there is one that kind of interesting talking about weird laws

2:02:32 This is a news story that took place in the Bay Area. The clip is secretly videotaping and tell me if you don't find this kind of weird? Alright, time now for a look at stories making headlines around the Bay Area tonight. San Jose man is accused of secretly video taping women's body parts while they were grocery shopping an off-duty sheriff's deputy noticed it happening at the Dunn Avenue Safeway in Morgan Hill. The deputy ended up in a struggle on the ground with the suspect Juan Rodriguez A Safeway customer helped the deputy make the arrest. Rodriguez is accused of using a concealed camera for sexual gratification and battery of a law enforcement officer. Lottery investigators are cracking down on- Wait a minute, that's good. Is there more? Hey! Is that a new crime? No, that's it

2:03:18 Is that a new crime? Apparently it is. I've never heard of videotaping for the purpose of sexual gratification. Let me hear it again. Rodriguez, a Safeway customer helped the deputy make the arrest. Rodriguez is accused of using a concealed camera for sexual gratification Using a concealed camera for sexual gratification...I love it! That's how is this? I mean, this is you can't do anything. What about just looking at somebody for sexual gratification? No that'll be illegal next in fact I have an end clip for the show which I want to play

2:03:55 we're winding it down and this is of course we've talked a lot about how you can't show big-breasted women in Australia. There's no small breasted, it's a pedophilia. I'm sorry small breasted exactly there's all kinds of weird stuff and this clip is about how young women are essentially manipulating themselves not Not manipulating, but what's the word I'm looking for? They're getting labiectomies. Labiaectomies. Why they are mutilating themselves. Mutilating is the word. Thank you. Mutilating

2:04:40 Well, because they think that's what a beautiful vagina is supposed to look like. Because it has shown all these fake vaginas that have been photoshopped and there are different ways of shooting this so everyone is like oh my vagina is ugly I have to get stuff chopped off It's crazy and it's a video of course you'll be able to see that on noagendatv.com Caution not safe for work at all you actually see one of these operations taking place I'm not gonna look at it, but when you hear the audio its interesting enough so that you don't have to actually to actually look at it but So we get all this goes back to your nudity is porn? It's all yes, not it's just nuts oh stuff

2:05:33 it's not getting any better. Philadelphia Pennsylvania tax amnesty ad so we just play that again real quick because it's so yeah, you know We have it is now posted on the devorek org site in every place else. It's this disgusting Your name is Tom. You live just off of 5th Street nice car tom Nice house what not so nice as you owe, Pennsylvania? $4212 in back taxes Listen, Tom. We can make this easy. Pay online by June 18th and we'll skip your penalty and take half off your interest because Tom...

2:06:14 We do know who you are. Find us before we find you So Zach made a call to the Pennsylvania Department of Revenue and got switched their public relations office The woman there said it was the Neiman Group that devised the intimidating ad campaign The woman, unnamed claimed that focus groups were done And these focus groups approved of the plan. Focus groups, yay! Yeah focus groups useless. She wouldn't tell them who were in the group or where they were held The ad campaign was part of a budget deal Governor Rendell's... This is the guy you gotta kick out of office Pennsylvania Part of a budget deal Governor Rendell signed off in October 2009 The entire campaign including website and TV ads cost $3 million

2:07:02 But she said they were hoping to recoup $190 million from the 3% of taxpayers who don't pay their state taxes. Neiman Group located in Harrisburg and Philly, I called them says Zach was told to speak with Monica Witter She wasn't in so I emailed her a list of questions Her email is in the show notes she hasn't responded yet The claim in the following story is that the ads are working and there's a story that they've already collected 12 million dollars. So I guess the shut up slave thing works? Yeah, maybe this group is ahead of the game It's what's coming ladies and gentlemen And then a quick little note from Sean He heard us on the cheating gene meme and he said hey maybe we can put this

2:07:56 national inquirer story that's going around about Barack Obama cheating maybe they're preparing to hit us with the news that he has the cheat gene and of course vaccine coming soon stop your man from cheating pay your taxes make your vagina look pretty and do the right thing yes, that what you should do give more money to Haiti It's called a labiaplasty great it's very interesting to listen to because they're drawing some of the right conclusions, but Doctors who do this are a little frightening so anyway. Yes doctors are in it for the money you think I

2:08:50 Thanks everybody for hanging in there throughout this program. It was difficult if you're on the stream, we're gonna put a little- yeah I'll edit the two pieces together of course thanks to Nerdy Dude for recording the first piece off the stream so i got some splicing work to do and I'll be doing that here in The Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West In The People's Republic Of Southern California yay my name is Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where the sun is shining except when it isn't, I'm John C. Dvorak We'll talk to you again on Sunday early morning service for episode 200 Remember dvorak dot org slash deuce right here on NO Agenda This video presentation has been classified by the ABC as M It contains material that is not recommended for persons under 15 years

2:09:57 I need to warn you that this next story contains footage of genitals and surgical operations that some of you may find confronting. There's one part of the female body that most of us have seen way more often in pictures than we have in real life, but has censorship skewed our idea of what a normal vagina looks like? And could it be contributing to a new trend in cosmetic surgery? Just getting rid of these protruding bits here... Labiaplasty is a term given to the surgical improvement of female labia, which are the lips of the female genitalia. This would generally be healed to a single crease which is the terminology I've heard used before in industry

2:10:51 It's either done with a scalpel or with scissors. You would take just the pendulous part of the labia. So this would be just made up into a single crease where you can't really see any of the inner labia. Each of these men have jobs which require them to trim the labia minora, that is the inner lips of vaginas One of them is a graphic designer at a soft porn mag who has asked that we conceal his identity. We have replaced his voice The other is a plastic surgeon What you would see most of the time in the media and in the published literature, Is something like this closed labia majora Could there be a connection between the two roles? Labioplasty is becoming increasingly popular in Australia growing at much faster rate than other cosmetic surgeries

2:11:47 Experts say there are a number of reasons for this trend, but we think there's one that has been overlooked and that is censorship. In Australia unrestricted soft porn mags – M15 plus ones such as Penthouse, Picture and People – are allowed to show frontal nudity but only discrete genital detail But what if your genitals aren't as discreet as the classification board would like them to be? It's the same as saying, what does a normal face look like or what does a normal nose look like. They all look normal they all look like a vagina

2:12:27 But you know, you get different in the filling of the labia majora. Different pigmentation, different areas of the labia minora which are a little bit more pendulous and the clitoral hood might be a little bit more folded on itself One can't really say that there is a norm That's right folks! Not all punanis look like this So why then is this the only kind ever shown in soft porn? So the stuff that's outside of the lips, of the vagina here. That would be defined as very detailed and so to avoid getting busted by the censorship board we just take all this out

2:13:13 We don't instruct clients how to edit their magazines. It's their commercial decision if they want a particular image in a particular classification, that's their commercial decision So would the board not allow in an unrestricted publication an image of a woman who had protruding inner labia? Not necessarily but saying that too maybe depending upon the pose The magazines say otherwise We spoke to Brad Boxall, former editor of the Picture magazine for seven years and later publisher of Picture & People magazines. He had this to say... The only acceptable vagina as far as the classification board is concerned is one that's neat and tidy in their eyes They basically consider the labia minora too offensive for softborn

2:14:02 Off the record, a number of Men's Mag Insiders including a current editor confirmed this claim. To test it we took our own series of pussy portraits different women all photographed in exactly the same way to the board. Well that would possibly be allowed I think. Okay and how about this? Possibly This one? Possibly but you quite It's hard to say again without... So why do you hesitate a little more? I guess it's um, clearly there is more genital detail in that depiction. Well i know what you're saying, well.. I put it the magazines that they are doing this for commercial reasons and they vigorously deny that They resent, they say they resent having to heal things to a single crease and that their certainly not doing it for the taste of suit the taste of their readership

2:14:49 As far as they're concerned, this is absolutely a classification issue. Well that's their opinion The Classification Board can spin it any way they like but the effect of their decisions is that all but one particular body type is too rude to be shown in soft porn I think most women don't really examine other people's vaginas and so they don't really have an idea except from literature. And you don't see the normal range because all people that I see fall into a normal range but they have issues with

2:15:29 at looking a little bit untidy or too bulky, or you know too pendulous. So that I think is the major reason why people sort of seek out improving their little bits for want of better word What's happening here is far more than just photoshopping out blemishes it's actually removing apart of human body Well, obviously it would be better if we didn't have to do it. I mean this is reality and we're messing with reality This is what people actually look like For every woman who seeks surgery because she thinks she looks abnormal there are many more who are embarrassed and self-conscious about having lippy lady bits If the classification guidelines are preventing a certain body type from being shown then maybe they should be reviewed

2:16:23 You can see extended interviews with the classification board, with the magazine graphic designer and with Dr Kaminer on our website. And yeah we know that technically the external female genitalia is called the vulva and that vagina refers to the inside bit We just wanted to use common language so that we didn't confuse people Plus...we just like saying vagina Vagina Don't look over here Nothing to see here Look at that