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00:00 God of office. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. It's Thursday, December 4th, 2025. This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 1822. This is no agenda. Well here's what caught my eye as the quad screen lit up with we've got the bomber. We were told by Glenn Beck's forensic analyst that it was a woman.

00:45 And they were 99% sure? Well, I guess somebody was wrong. Yeah, how about that? Who is this guy? Some guy lives in a really fancy house. Really? Yeah, the house is dynamite. Oh, well it'll be up for sale soon. Cheap. Well, I mean, he might be bored or he might be who knows. They haven't explained it. Yeah, so weird. I mean, I know they're all patented. They had this huge press conference. They're all patting each other on the back and then condemning the old Biden administration. Oh, yeah, they knew they knew they didn't do anything. They sat on this cold. They didn't do anything. They sat on it. Yeah, I love seeing Judge Jeanine speak in that official role is just wrong. There's something wrong about it.

01:34 You know, it's the worlds of show business and politics when they collide like that, it's odd. You know, Bongino is up there too, yacking away. Oh really? He got cut off. Oh, by whom? No, just went, screen went blank, had a glitch. Oh, what was he saying? Code Bongino? I don't know what, no he was doing the same thing as Patel. Everybody, this is, yeah you know we're great. It took forever and we had a big team and we worked 24-7. Yeah 33 hours non-stop. We had millions and millions of detailed pieces of evidence that we had to go through and analyze.

02:11 The other guys are too lazy to do it. Yeah, those guys. Fresh eyes. Every cliche from every movie you've ever seen. Fresh eyes. I like that. Fresh eyes is fantastic. Well, that of course is not the... I mean, they're real busy, obviously, because now that we've uncovered this, who knows what will happen with the Epstein files. We're all waiting with bated breath. But wait! We have new pictures! House Democrats released more than 150 still images and more than a dozen short videos. of the Caribbean estate of late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. The images do not show any people at the lavish home on a private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands. They do show the compound's pool area, several bedrooms and bathrooms, and a room that mysteriously contains a dental chair. And you saw the walls are adorned with masks of men's faces.

01:34 You know, it's the worlds of show business and politics when they collide like that, it's odd. You know, Bongino is up there too, yacking away. Oh really? He got cut off. Oh, by whom? No, just went, screen went blank, had a glitch. Oh, what was he saying? Code Bongino? I don't know what, no he was doing the same thing as Patel. Everybody, this is, yeah you know we're great. It took forever and we had a big team and we worked 24-7. Yeah 33 hours non-stop. We had millions and millions of detailed pieces of evidence that we had to go through and analyze.

02:11 The other guys are too lazy to do it. Yeah, those guys. Fresh eyes. Every cliche from every movie you've ever seen. Fresh eyes. I like that. Fresh eyes is fantastic. Well, that of course is not the... I mean, they're real busy, obviously, because now that we've uncovered this, who knows what will happen with the Epstein files. We're all waiting with bated breath. But wait! We have new pictures! House Democrats released more than 150 still images and more than a dozen short videos. of the Caribbean estate of late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. The images do not show any people at the lavish home on a private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands. They do show the compound's pool area, several bedrooms and bathrooms, and a room that mysteriously contains a dental chair. And you saw the walls are adorned with masks of men's faces.

03:06 Congress is waiting for the Justice Department to release the so-called Epstein files, all of them. Justice must do so within 30 days of President Trump signing the Epstein Files Transparency Act on November 19th. This is great. I love this picture of the dentist chair with these protruding masks on the wall is just what is what in the world is that? What is going on there? And how can we know of any pictures of Zorro Ranch? That's that's the place where I was probably more interested. Well there's just that's a question one of the unanswered questions. The other one to me is, hey, hey, they had a room is full of videotapes. What? No one wants to talk about that. Well, hold on a second because Ro Khanna was on with the poopmeister.

03:55 Anderson Pooper and he has some stuff to say about it tonight We're getting an inside look at some of the rooms in Jeffrey Epstein's notorious home on a private Caribbean island where underage girls and young women were trafficked and sexually abused Democrats on the House Oversight Committee released these photos as well as videos They say have not been made public before One of the images shows what appears to be a dentist chair in one room with masks on a wall Another shows a blackboard with some words scribbled on it. Words! Power deception plots. Words! Political. Power deception. Words! There's also this video showing the manicured grounds of the estate with palm trees and winding paths and a large pool. Oh no. The Department of Justice has 16 days before they have to release documents related to its investigation. I wonder, is the Democrat the listing agent for this island or something? Because it really is like a sales video. Like, oh that kitchen looks nice.

04:45 Yeah, I can do without the crazy dentist chair, but everything else is pretty cool. Epstein is required by the bill that Congress passed and President Trump recently signed into law. Now we learned today that Epstein's accomplice, Galeen Maxwell, is planning to file a petition asking a judge to release her from prison. She's serving a 20-year sentence for her sex trafficking conviction. Joining us tonight, California Congressman Ro Khanna, member of the Oversight Committee, who along with Republican Congressman Thomas Massie led the fight to pass that bill, forcing the release of the Epstein file. So Congressman, I mean, do these video images fill in any blanks for you, raising any new questions? I'm wondering what stands out to you. What stands out is the dentist chair.

05:22 Well the dentist chair was concerning to me. Obviously we need to know the facts but what we need to know is were underage girls abused on that chair? What happened there? What we do know from the survivors is their fillings. Maybe they had a dentist on board there and it was just a part of the deal. Free cleaning. Hey, come to the island. We got a dentist on staff. Free cleaning. We can bleach the teeth a little bit. You look a little better. I can change your jaw. What we need to know is were underage girls abused on that chair? What happened?

06:00 there. What we do know from the survivors is there are many such photos in the Epstein files. We know that from the survivors and their lawyers all of those need to be released. Every file, every photo, every interview memorandum while protecting victims need to be released by federal law in the next 16 days. Hey, what, wait, wait, why didn't he mention the videotapes? No, no, no, no. Actually, this interview goes in an unexpected direction. I got two more clips here. Do you expect, I mean, do you know what to expect in 16 days in terms of what level of redaction there's going to be? Have you gotten any word from the Department of Justice how they are handling this?

06:43 Congress and Massey and I have requested to meet with Attorney General Pam Bondi or someone on her team handling the investigation. So far we have not heard back. We're going to continue to pursue it. Of course, Congressman Massey is on the Judiciary Committee, so Pam Bondi will be coming before that committee. But now every person at the Justice Department who does not cooperate in releasing these files would be violating federal law. That they would be subject to federal penalties. So we expect that there will be a release and we're going to continue to fight to make sure that it is transparent and complete. Your committee says it's also received about 5,000 documents in response to subpoenas to JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank for Epstein's financial records. I don't know how much of those the committee's been able to review but do they

07:32 I mean, what do you hope to find in those documents? Does anything connect any dots for you? Well, the committee is going through that. There are a lot of documents. But the big question is how is Jeffrey Epstein, a former schoolteacher, worth a half a billion dollars? Who is funding him? Why are people giving him this money? And what was he doing for this money? Those are things that we're going to get from these documents. As you know, Senator Wyden has been investigating this in the Senate for over a year. that is going to be critical to understanding who all was involved. That took a sudden change turn all of a sudden. We went from victims to who was funding him, what's the money flows. We're looking into that. That should get some people rather worried, particularly in the banking sector. How about Chase? Jamie Dimon. Jamie Dimon, Chase. By the way, thank you trolls.

08:32 Jeffrey Epstein's last known girlfriend, Karina Shuliak, was a dentist from Belarus whom he reportedly paid to put through dental school. She is listed as a dentistry practitioner in St. Thomas with over five years of experience in the field. Shuliak was dating Epstein at the time of his arrest and death in 2019. He made his final phone call to her from jail. Oh no! They had a dentist chair there because his girlfriend was a dentist. Oh no! Can nobody do Google searches anymore? That's funny. That seems like an obvious thing to look up. Well, somebody in the chat room or the troll room could do them. Yeah. Well, that's why we're the best podcast in the universe. Yeah, it's instant. Honestly, I didn't even think to look up it myself, but...

09:23 Alright, well that's nuts. Well was anyone abused? Well I don't know if it was a bad root canal maybe. Maybe. Kohana goes on here. We've talked about Glenn Maxwell. Kohana? Planning to ask a judge. That's his new name. Yeah Kohana. Kohana. Thank you for catching that. Kohana, yes. It would be a slap in the face of the survivors. Anderson, as you imagine, I've gotten to know some of these survivors. I spent time with them. When you mention Glaine Maxwell's name, they have a trauma and an anger. This is someone who abused them. This is someone who facilitated their abuse. The fact that we're even discussing any

08:32 Jeffrey Epstein's last known girlfriend, Karina Shuliak, was a dentist from Belarus whom he reportedly paid to put through dental school. She is listed as a dentistry practitioner in St. Thomas with over five years of experience in the field. Shuliak was dating Epstein at the time of his arrest and death in 2019. He made his final phone call to her from jail. Oh no! They had a dentist chair there because his girlfriend was a dentist. Oh no! Can nobody do Google searches anymore? That's funny. That seems like an obvious thing to look up. Well, somebody in the chat room or the troll room could do them. Yeah. Well, that's why we're the best podcast in the universe. Yeah, it's instant. Honestly, I didn't even think to look up it myself, but...

09:23 Alright, well that's nuts. Well was anyone abused? Well I don't know if it was a bad root canal maybe. Maybe. Kohana goes on here. We've talked about Glenn Maxwell. Kohana? Planning to ask a judge. That's his new name. Yeah Kohana. Kohana. Thank you for catching that. Kohana, yes. It would be a slap in the face of the survivors. Anderson, as you imagine, I've gotten to know some of these survivors. I spent time with them. When you mention Glaine Maxwell's name, they have a trauma and an anger. This is someone who abused them. This is someone who facilitated their abuse. The fact that we're even discussing any

10:28 leniency for her or letting her out of jail is frankly disgusting and the survivors themselves get so emotional when people bring up Maxwell. A House Oversight Committee spokesperson today earlier today criticized Democrats on the committee, your committee, for releasing these videos and photos saying quote it is odd that Democrats are once again releasing selective information as they have done before. I'm wondering what your response to that is. Let's release it all. That's what Massey and my bill does. If you don't think there's anything there, get the files out. If you think it's selective, get the files out. Let's finally get the information out there, most importantly because of the thousand survivors and that's what they want. And so we end this kind of

11:14 Blame game and name-calling. Let's just get it all out there in the next 16 days. Yeah, yeah, blame game, name-calling, get it all out. Who's name-calling? I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me. What's he talking about? Kohana's off his rocker. It wouldn't surprise me if in the emails and the documents we literally find an email that says, hey, when you're down here, you know, my girlfriend can clean your teeth. It wouldn't surprise me. You make a joke about it, but I mean, really rich people have weird things in their homes. It's true. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah. I used to go into, one time I was in Bill Ziff's office and upstairs in some... Of the famous Ziff Davis Publishing Empire.

11:58 Yes, and he had an office in a penthouse someplace. This is not the office at the magazine. It was his house office. This sounds like another story I have never heard before. Well, there's not much to it. But all I remember is that we're having this conversation, and all of a sudden, this hair cutter comes in. Yeah. And I'm just chatting with him, and next thing you know, he's got a barber's thing around his neck, and the guy's trimming his hair right in front of me. I remember once being at this really well, this was when I was very young, doing the pirate radio stuff and I had to go to one of our big sponsors and this was clearly some kind of drug gangster, some narco gangster. He had this huge house in Amsterdam, it consisted of half of a canal block and you know, and I think I had to pick up some videotapes. I don't remember exactly what it was. He had Western House and

11:14 Blame game and name-calling. Let's just get it all out there in the next 16 days. Yeah, yeah, blame game, name-calling, get it all out. Who's name-calling? I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me. What's he talking about? Kohana's off his rocker. It wouldn't surprise me if in the emails and the documents we literally find an email that says, hey, when you're down here, you know, my girlfriend can clean your teeth. It wouldn't surprise me. You make a joke about it, but I mean, really rich people have weird things in their homes. It's true. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah. I used to go into, one time I was in Bill Ziff's office and upstairs in some... Of the famous Ziff Davis Publishing Empire.

11:58 Yes, and he had an office in a penthouse someplace. This is not the office at the magazine. It was his house office. This sounds like another story I have never heard before. Well, there's not much to it. But all I remember is that we're having this conversation, and all of a sudden, this hair cutter comes in. Yeah. And I'm just chatting with him, and next thing you know, he's got a barber's thing around his neck, and the guy's trimming his hair right in front of me. I remember once being at this really well, this was when I was very young, doing the pirate radio stuff and I had to go to one of our big sponsors and this was clearly some kind of drug gangster, some narco gangster. He had this huge house in Amsterdam, it consisted of half of a canal block and you know, and I think I had to pick up some videotapes. I don't remember exactly what it was. He had Western House and

12:51 Western House, then I forget the other name. He had like stores, boutique stores, probably all money laundering. And all of a sudden I see a member of parliament on a 10-speed bike just driving through the house. You know, it's like that kind of stuff is normal for these Jamoks. So, you know... And spandex. Was he wearing clothes? He had one of those spandex riding outfits on. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, just riding around. Okay. Anyway, we have to with this this dental chair. This is it people I also would have wished that Virginia was alive today I would have asked her all about that dentist chair and what that meant and what that was because to me there's something Sadistic about it. I mean it's bizarre to have a dentist chair in somebody's face. I mean seriously

13:40 This is one of the easiest things to look up. That's nuts. The dentist, there's something dark about it. It's dark? The mask. Wait, hold on a second. Hold on a second. I have to stick up for my dental professionals here. Hold on a second. Sorry to have a dentist chair in somebody's private. Also, just no one wants to go to the dentist. There's something dark about it. No, I love going to the dentist. That's, you know, I just want to say something. For our dental professionals, you guys really get the short end of the stick. I love getting my teeth cleaned. I love hanging out there. I love the dentist. I love it. Hanging out. I hang out at the dentist. Hey, what are you doing this afternoon? I'm going to go over to the dental office and hang out because it's so much fun. I'm serious though. I like, I was like, what are you doing? What's that instrument for? How does that thing work? You know, once you, once you should have been coming dentist there, I think this is what we're doing. You're trying to,

14:33 You're trying to, this is a cry for help. It is. Help me become a dentist. It's my late age. Can I make the switch? Can I still do it? Podcast a dentist. There's a leeriness to it all. There's it, there's, it's almost like you're walking through a crime scene. What kind of word is leeriness? There's a leeriness to it. That's an interesting question. What do you think? That's not a word. That's not a word, leeriness. Well, should we ask the robot to make sure? Yeah, ask the robot. Hey, robot, tell me about the word leeriness. Is that a real word? Mm-hmm. Leeriness is a real word. It means awareness, caution, or a state of being leery, like if you're suspicious about something and not quite trusting.

15:23 I'm all right. I guess it's in there. I was wrong. Yeah. Well, of course we have to trust AI. I mean, our overlord is never wrong. Never. The masks on the wall, the leery nest, you know, there's it. There's it's almost like you're walking through a crime scene. I mean, you are walking through a crime. I saw the pictures. I saw the pictures. It does not look like a crime scene. It looks like a real estate portfolio. what it looks like, well okay, and dressing it up a bit here. A crime scene, I mean you are walking through a crime scene when I see the rooms they're kind of hotel type rooms, could be for anybody. Scary! It has just, yeah I mean there's kind of no personality other than sort of creepiness to these things, otherwise there is this sort of... I'd love to see Vanderbilt's home. Anonymity to it of sort of anonymous

16:16 hotel room somewhere in the Caribbean. Exactly. And it's interesting you could even see from the picture of the cameras. I mean there are cameras everywhere. They're being recorded, you could say for security, but also... Where's the tapes? Where's the tapes? ...that they believe that they were always being recorded there. Even the statues are weird, like the one by the pool. And I think I think it's important for us to have this documentary evidence, especially when you have the president of the United States saying this is a hoax. This is going nowhere. It's nine more seconds. They're yak, yak, yak, yakking about nothing. Folks, seeing is believing. See the place where he lived. And this isn't all just wealth porn. This is a very perverted... They're going to drop cliches on us. I'm dumping this. Hey, a picture's worth a thousand words. That's right. Seeing is believing. That's right.

17:07 Oh man, that's good. It gives everybody something to talk about. That's always fun. I mean, what is the point of the Democrats releasing these photos? What is the actual point? Is it to draw everyone's attention back? I mean, it doesn't make a lot of sense midterm wise, which everything should be about. Everything, you know? Yeah, I think you're right. There's everything should be about the midterms and they somehow think they're going to I don't know what they're thinking, but they seem to think there's a benefit to this. They're really a lost cause, these guys. It's a miracle. I think they will take the midterms, but it's kind of baffling that they can even get anybody to vote for them. I mean, everything... Although this double tap war crime, this is my favorite, this is the best story ever.

18:04 But the American military has done atrocious things for our freedom, for their democracy all over the world. But now we're blowing up some drug boats and everyone loses their ever-loving mind. And I think that Matt Taibbi and Walter Kern, thank you, Walter Kern are correct that there's probably money on those boats too. Although we don't see it like, you know, like fluttering dollars. That would be kind of cool if you saw that. But this thing seems like a lot of people are very, very worried. I don't believe that. I disagree. You know, why would there be money on the boat? You exchange the drugs for the money. You don't carry the money on the boat with the drugs. And then you put the money straight into the bank in the Caribbean. Yeah. And, you know, we discussed when the 2008, what do they call it? The Great Recession. The Great Recession.

19:05 If we didn't have drug money flowing, the whole world would have crumbled. The drug money flow is so important. In fact, we have a... This is how far I'll go with this. We have, I think they're talking about a liquidity crisis on Wall Street. I think that means there's not enough money. And there's all kinds of reasons for it. We had a government shutdown. But could it also be that all this money is, all the value is being blown up in the ocean? And that, oh man, we don't have any money coming in. Do you think that's possible that it's that much? Because I do. Well, I don't know about that because it's coming in from every which way and all over the place. It's only accounting for some of it. Maybe 10% at the most. I don't think it's that high. Well, no, Trump says it's 90% of... Well, Trump's... Gee, Trump exaggerating, huh? Let me write this one down. Let's listen.

19:59 You released video of that first boat strike on September 2nd, but not the second video. Will you release video of that strike so that the American people can see for themselves what happened? I don't know what they have, but whatever they have we'll certainly release, no problem. We need to start saying that. We want to know about the dentist chair because the American people have a right to know about the dentist chair. The American people who pay their taxes have an absolute right. I am a journalist. You know we stopped every boat we knock out we saved 25,000 American lives. I think we've now saved or created 300 million people with the amount of boats we've blown out of the water. But okay. Blown up with 20 boats now or more? So that's 20 times

20:44 Uh, 25,000, so it's half a million. Am I saying that right? Yeah, half a million lives have been saved or created, Mr. President. Good work. And if you look at our numbers, the drugs coming in through C are down 91%. I'm surprised it's 9%. Who's doing the 9%? But it's down 91. And we're going to start very soon on land and I'm sure you're thrilled to hear that. that survivors were actually killed while clinging on to that boat. Should Secretary Hexeth, Admiral Bradley or others be punished? I think you're gonna find that this is war, that these people were killing our people by the millions, actually, if you look over a few years.

21:31 I think last year we lost close to 300,000 people were killed. That's not mentioning all the families. Have you seen what happens with the families of not only the people killed, but the people that are trying to get their son or their daughter off of this poison that they've been fed? I think you're gonna find that there's a very receptive ear to doing exactly what they're doing, taking out those boats. And very soon we're gonna start doing it on land too, because we know every route, we know every house. We know where they manufacture this crap. We know where they put it all together. And I think you're going to see it very soon on land also. Yeah, please. Now I see. How about he's going to.

22:12 Take out these drug manufacturing operations with airstrikes, not boots on the ground, but airstrikes. Yeah. That's what it sounds like to me. We know where that's going to happen. Yeah. And by the way, according to Zero Hedge, and they would know, cocaine inflation erupts in Europe. After US strikes with Caribbean drug boats. Just backing the two of us up. Yep, 30 to 45 percent per kilo more expensive. By the way, so I knew a couple of drug dealers in Amsterdam, marijuana drug dealers. I don't think they did cocaine. They might have done pills as well, ecstasy, but nice people. You know, they would smuggle the stuff into the country in

22:59 flight cases for musical gear, speaker cases, all kinds of stuff. And they had, and everyone was paid off. I don't know that for sure, but obviously. And those people alone were multi-millionaires. They had millions of dollars. They had houses all over the world. And they were one step above retail. So just think about what's going back to the cartels and the manufacturers. It's got to be a multiple of that. It's got to be hundreds of billions, hundreds of billions. So I think it does make a difference. By the way, he got a boots on the ground from the Netherlands. And he's a documentary filmmaker, and he was part of making a series about the Dutch Navy and Coast Guard in the Caribbean for National Geographic.

23:52 Yeah, so this is older. It was about protecting the waters around the Dutch Antilles. Different subjects in an episode, of course, but also a lot of drug traffic operations. From the footage provided to us by the Coast Guard in the interviews we made, I can tell you that the Dutch, working with the US, have had operations in this region for probably a decade or longer, decades, sometimes with extreme measures like taking out drug boats with force. Unfortunately, we weren't allowed to show the blowing up or machine gunning of drug boats in the series due to the sensitive nature of the subject in the Netherlands. Yeah, no kidding, it's our dough. What we did show is that the boats get chased down by fast boats or choppers. They get at least four warnings over the portophone.

24:33 Most give up and get boarded and arrested. If they don't stop to get boarded, they get their engines shot by marksmen from the chopper. If this doesn't work or they fight back, they get machine-gunned or blown up. He says this has been going on forever, but now all of a sudden this is a huge issue? Yeah, midterms. We have the best producers in the universe. The best, hands down. Well, that's what happens. You accumulate. Yes. So let me see. We have a… That's a good story. What's interesting about this… is this little ditty which got some play. The 57-year-old former president of Honduras was found guilty in a US federal court of working with drug cartels, conspiring to distribute more than 400 tons of cocaine toward the United States. He was found to have taken millions of dollars in bribes and prosecutors said he bragged about all of it. Hernandez declared that he wanted, and I quote,

25:32 to stuff the drugs right up the noses of the gringos. Witnesses at trial said Juan Orlando Hernandez used Honduran military units to escort drug shipments. A federal jury in New York took only about nine hours to deliberate and convict him on importation and weapons charges. He was sentenced to 45 years in federal prison. But all of that changed this week when he was pardoned by President Trump. I feel very good about it. If you have some drug dealers in your country and you're the president, you don't necessarily put the president in jail for 45 years. President Trump called Hernandez's trial last year a witch hunt by the Biden administration, although there were no allegations of prosecutorial misconduct. It was a case that the Justice Department had built over a number of years against Juan Orlando.

26:20 to the trial of his brother Tony. Hernandez's brother Tony was tried and convicted for charges related to drug trafficking by the first Trump administration in 2019. Democrats and some Republicans in Congress are slamming the pardon. Republican Senator Rand Paul said it flies in the face of the Trump administration's escalating campaign against drug cartels in the region. So if you look up the history of this, and of course everyone's flummoxed, how can he be blowing up drug boats but letting this guy go free? First of all, his brother Tony, he was the drug dealer. And he... Yeah, and it seems to me, just before you continue, based on just what that was in that report, that Tony was the bad guy. This guy was an innocent, basically, you know, a brother, but he's an innocent bystander for all practical purposes. And the Trump administration must have known that back in the first administration.

27:13 Then he did guy got caught up and thrown in the slammer, but but the Trump people already knew that he was not a guilty guy Yes, and like like eight years ago five years, but he was thrown in the slammer in 2024 so his brother went to jail in 19 during Trump administration in fact as president Hernandez positioned himself as as a key US ally in the war on drugs, which of course is a joke, but he oversaw the extradition of over two dozen high-profile drug traffickers to the United States, including figures linked to major cartels. This included cooperation with US agencies like DEA, which would have given him access to intelligence on cartel structures, routes, and the leaders in Honduras.

27:58 Honduras, a critical transit hub for cocaine from South America to the US. I'm thinking this guy has some valuable information and this will make a lot of financial people very nervous. If he actually knows not just how the drugs flow but he knows how the money flows, this could be a very interesting guy to talk to. And all he really got convicted of was, you know, supposedly $1 million campaign or bribe, they call it, but campaign contribution, but was categorized as a bribe from El Chapo. And the rest was just witnesses who just said, no, no, no, that guy's guilty. He's no good. You know, this is another thing, but I don't want to go off track because I have this three by three to do, but I want to play this.

28:52 Trump's been pardoning, doing weird pardons. And he does it in, you know, in kind of a linear fashion. He doesn't wait till the end of his administration and then pardon a million people. And he pardoned this Cuellar guy who was the Democrat from Texas. Democrat? Yeah, Democrat. Who was arrested. Can I just stop you for a second? Do I have all your clips? I don't have a three by three. Do I have all your clips? You better. No, I'd... I'd... I'd... I mean, I got your clips this morning, was... but I don't see that in there. Quayar guy? Let me check. Let me double check, man. This is no good. Maybe you should go resend the clips. I will... It's possible... No, I... I don't... I mean, I have only 20 clips. I got more than that on here. Yeah, well, that was not in your email. This is... We have a production issue.

29:57 Yes. Do you want to send me those real quick? We're gonna have to stop tape. Okay, tape has been restarted. We're back and I'm glad... People have to understand that in preparation for this show there is no collusion at all. Any collusion? There's no conversations. We don't talk about anything. I show up, you show up, you send me clips. I don't look at the clips. I don't listen to the clips. because I want to be just as surprised and delighted as everybody else. So what were you looking for? The... Oh, Cuellar. Cuellar, yes. Oh, the pardon. The pardon. Yeah. Okay, Cuellar. And how do you spell Cuellar? C-U-E. Oh, like cellular. I got it. President Trump pardoning Texas Representative Henry Cuellar and his wife Imelda. Cuellar was indicted last year on more than a dozen federal charges.

30:50 and the president declaring a historic reset of fuel economy standards. We now go live to our Washington correspondent Mari Otsu at the North Lawn of the White House. Mari, good evening. Tiff, good evening. Yes, Texas Democratic Representative Henry Cuellar was an outspoken critic of former President Joe Biden's border policies. And back in May 2024, he and his wife Imelda were indicted for allegedly accepting nearly $600,000 in bribes move and anyone who disagreed with them. He also adds that one of the clearest examples of this was when Biden used both the FBI and the DOJ to quote, take out a member of his own party, referring to Cuellar as bravely speaking out against open borders and what President Trump calls the Biden border catastrophe. Take a look.

32:00 He was treated very badly because he said that people should not be allowed to pour into our country. And he was right, he didn't like open borders. He represents the people on the border, and he saw what was happening. And as soon as he made that statement, I then said, I'll bet he gets indicted. And that's what happened. He got indicted for speaking the truth, and his wife got indicted, Imelda. That's sort of a first. Usually they leave the wives alone. Now he had... A little comment at the end. They usually, they, like the mob... Oh, good, good catch. ...leaves the wives alone. Well, what I caught in there is some Mexican bank. When I hear that, I'm like, uh-huh, yeah. What about the Mexican bank? Did he know something about some cash going into the Mexican bank?

32:57 I have no idea what the deal is with the Mexican bank, but I heard that too, the Mexican bank and then Azure by John. I mean, he took a big bribe for them. What? What is that? What? Yeah. So they got the COP 30 or something. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. This, all of this feels so North Sea Nexus to me. It just feels like it. You know, especially with Hernandez. Now, maybe we may be getting some interesting information. Well back to the drug boats, let's play the three by three because it concerns Hegseth. And the bull crap about our surroundings. We're singing here. Comparing stories from ABC, CBS and NBC.

33:45 That's right, we have a 3x3 from the big three ABC CBS NBC and it's about the bullcrap and where do you want to start? Who has a start with ABC? Here we go. Tonight under mounting pressure Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth insisting the decision to launch a second strike against a suspected drug boat in September was not his call but that of the mission's commander Admiral Mitch Bradley. He sunk the boat and eliminated the threat. And he was the right call. We have his back. The day after the attack, Hegseth said he had watched in real time. I watched it live. We knew exactly who was in that boat. We knew exactly what they were doing. But today, Hegseth said he left before the second strike.

34:33 I watched that first strike lot. As you can imagine, the Department of War, we got a lot of things to do. So I didn't stick around for the hour and two hours, whatever, where all the sensitive site exploitation digitally occurs. So I moved on to my next meeting. Hegseth was asked if he saw survivors. I did not personally see survivors, but I stand, because the thing was on fire. It was exploded and fire is smoke. You can't see anything. You got digital. This is called the fog of war. The secretary claims he didn't hear about the second strike until an hour or so later. Over the weekend, President Trump said he hadn't known about the second strike and wouldn't have wanted it.

35:12 it. And today, sitting next to his secretary, the president said he was still somewhat in the dark. a lot of information because I rely on Pete. But to me it was an attack. It wasn't one strike, two strikes, three strikes. Somebody asked me a question about the second strike. I didn't know about the second strike. I didn't know anything about people. I wasn't involved in it. I knew they took out a boat. You know, this is all, all this noise is made by the, is it the appropriations? What's the war committee?

35:58 The war committee? Yeah, who are the people of oversight over the military? The Armed Forces Committee? No, I don't think it's called that. I still think this is somehow related to fraud that's going to be uncovered in Ukraine. I'm sorry, what? Fraud that will be uncovered in Ukraine. Oh, fraud. Going to be? They had a huge case. He's lost a bunch of people. Well, no, but I think we may see some of this tie back to kickbacks. This was a lot of money. Remember, all of them were saying, hey man, it's okay because this money comes back to America, comes back to our military companies. Yeah. A lot of it gets stolen.

36:46 Well, or kickbacks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like it's corrupt. Ukraine. Hello. No, but our own always consider the most corrupt. But I don't see having anything to do with this. OK. They do not like the alphabetical order CBS. They don't like Hegseth that's sitting there. That's for sure. No, they don't like Hegseth. That's for sure. One day after the White House confirmed there was a second strike on a suspected Venezuelan drug boat, President Trump today said he did not know about it. I still haven't gotten a lot of information because I rely on Pete, but to me it was an attack. The legality of the September 2nd attack is in question after the Washington Post reported Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth allegedly issued an order to kill everybody.

37:33 and that Navy Admiral Mitch Bradley apparently ordered the second strike to take out two survivors, fulfilling Hegseth's directive, which many legal experts describe as a war crime. Hegseth said he only saw the first strike. A couple of hours later, I learned that that commander had made the, which he had the complete authority to do, and by the way, Admiral Bradley made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat. Trump also pointed to Admiral Bradley. I hear the gentleman that was in charge of that is extraordinary, an extraordinary person. But the DoD's law of war manual states that shipwrecked combatants are in a helpless state and it would be dishonorable and inhumane to make them the object of an attack.

38:19 I did not personally see survivors, but I stand because the thing was on fire. It was exploded and fire smoke. You can't see the digital. This is called the fog of war. At the cabinet meeting, the president also talked about his new efforts to pause migration and singled out Minnesota Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, who came to the US as a Somali refugee. John Omar is garbage. She's garbage. Her friends are garbage. These aren't people that work. They complain and do nothing but bitch. We don't want them in our country. Why did they even throw that into the report?

38:59 I'm not sure. I do have some stuff on that later. I just wanted to point out one thing, that on December 2nd, just because Hegseth, you know, he set up new procurement rules, they were going to be looking at different ways of qualifying contractors, and the Missile Defense Agency announced on the 2nd The 1014 qualifying offerors for, here it comes, the Scalable Homeland Innovation Enterprise Layered Defense Program, which is an acronym for SHIELD. It's for the iron dome, for the golden dome. Golden dome. That is worth up to $151 billion. And it went to many small companies.

39:48 So if there's a reason for the system to hate Hegseth, this is a good way to put the spotlight on him and try and get him out. Especially when he says dumb stuff like, it was the fog of war, man! Yeah, I found that to be stupid. That's dumb. But he's not, you know, he's not well liked by some people. Oh, because he's slightly arrogant. He's got a kind of arrogance I can see would drive some people nuts. He's a pretty boy. And they keep saying that this other guy, this admiral who was in charge of this operation, they keep saying Hex has threw him under the bus. Hex has did no such thing. No, but he says the guy's great. He did what he's supposed to do.

40:35 I want to we know we need we need some PBS clips because they're always sponsored by Northrop Grumman So we need to hear what they're saying about it. I don't have to get PBS about to get This is Steve's projects. I know I know Steve is good about Steve needs to add the PBS President Trump defending striking a boat allegedly carrying drugs to the US twice allegedly I wonder those boats take it out out and if we have to we'll attack on land also just like we attack on sea and there's very little coming in by sea I think we've knocked out over 90% of it. Two people initially survived and the administration says the decision for a second strike killing all on board was made by Admiral Frank Bradley. Today Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said even though he watched the first part of the attack live he'd moved on to his next meeting before the second strike. Admiral Bradley made the correct decision to ultimately

41:28 ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat. We have his back and the American people are safer because narco-terrorists know you can't bring drugs through the water. So you didn't see any survivors to be clear after that first strike? I did not personally see survivors but I stand because the thing was on fire. It was exploded and fire smoke you can't see anything. This is called the fog of war. It comes as the administration ramps up its crackdown on illegal immigration. A senior law enforcement official tells NBC News ICE is planning an operation this week. Oh, hold on a second. So now I see what CBS did is what NBC is doing as well. They're somehow tying in drug boats and killing people to immigration and ICE. It's almost like a mind trick.

42:19 Think about killing people, boats, borders, stuff, brown people. Oh yeah, Somalis. Pirates. It comes as the administration ramps up its crackdown on illegal immigration. A senior law enforcement official tells NBC News ICE is planning an operation this week in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, where there's a large Somali population. You told me to look into Minnesota and their fraud on visas and their programs. 50% of them are fraudulent. Federal prosecutors have charged dozens of people in Minnesota's Somali community for allegedly stealing hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money meant for social service programs. This beautiful place and I see these people ripping it off their country's stakes and we don't want them in our country. But when they come from hell,

43:17 and they complain and do nothing but bitch. We don't want them in our country. Let them go back to where they came from and fix it. Now there's an important nuance in what's happening here. This is good, this is a good catch. Well, yeah. Associative news coverage is what it amounts to. And they both associate one with the other. Yes. Two separate stories. Let's drag them together and make Trump look bad. There's an important nuance in the Somali business which surprisingly ABC tagged in this report. preparing to ramp up enforcement operations in Minnesota as President Trump lashes out at immigration Somalia saying we don't want them in our country and continues to attack Democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. We're going to go the wrong way if we keep taking in garbage into our country. Ilhan Omar is garbage. She's garbage. Her friends are garbage. These are people that work. These are people that say let's go. Come on, let's make this place great. These are people that do nothing but complain.

44:19 They complained and from where they came from, they got nothing. You know, they came from paradise and they said this isn't paradise. But when they come from hell and they complain and do nothing but bitch. We don't want them in our country. Minnesota is home to the nation's largest Somali population. Multiple law enforcement officials tell ABC News that ICE is preparing for a surge operation in the state, focusing on St. Paul and Minneapolis as early as this week. The city's mayor says police won't help ICE when they arrive. Targeting Somali people means that due process will be violated, mistakes will be made.

45:01 Let's be clear. It means that American citizens will be detained for no other reason than the fact that they look like they are Somali the president criticizing Somalis for weeks now Terminating temporary protected status for Somalis and writing send them back to where they came from and this morning the Trump administration Cracking down on immigration nationwide pausing all immigration applications for people from 19 so-called countries of concern including Somalia, Afghanistan, Venezuela and Sudan. We have to remember that the use of temporary status has been abused by Biden and by Obama both to bring in cheap labor.

45:45 And what I think President Trump here is railing against is, hey, we gave these people temporary protective status because Somali is garbage. It's a hellhole. And now they're sitting here and bitching around, get them out. And he says, all right, you want to be that way? You want to steal our money? Because wow, Republicans and Democrats both have blown the whistle so many times on Minnesota about hundreds of millions of dollars being stolen. And it... Did you see the Tucker Carlson interview with the woman who says that Tim Walz has been shoveling top secrets to the Chinese? That's why he's taking all his trips to China when he's in the National Guard. Oh, no, I remember that part, but I don't remember... No, I did not hear this. That's good. It's quite good. Well, so somewhere the president called Tim Walz a retard.

46:38 Yeah, on Thanksgiving. Well, I have the... Do you have it? Oh, do you have that clip? I want to hear the clip. No, I have the reaction clip, which is quite good. Well, the one on the airplane? No. No. I don't know what you're talking about. Well, I have Trump responding on the airplane. What's your reaction clip? I had to... Ah! Caught you off guard, didn't I? A little bit, yeah. Well, you said... This... Oh man. It's such a funny clip too. Well let me play the, this is short, this is Trump on the plane being asked, do you stand by calling Governor Walz retarded?

47:17 In that same post, you mentioned Tim Walz and you called him what many Americans do find an offensive word, retarded. Do you stand by that claim of calling Tim Walz retarded? Yeah, I think there's something wrong with him, absolutely, sure. Yeah. You have a problem with it? You know what? I think there's something wrong with him. Anybody that would do what he did, anybody that would allow those people into his state and pay billions of dollars out to Somalia, We give billions of dollars to Somalia. It's not even a country because it doesn't function like a country. It's got a name but it doesn't function like a country. There's something wrong with Walz.

47:58 This is good, this is interesting. Talk sketch Trump. Okay I'm not a blind Trump supporter. I don't really trust any politicians and I voice my discrepancies with Trump all the time. However, calling Tim Walz a retard on Thanksgiving Day is exactly what I voted for. So that was a funny clip from this woman and it was stolen. The whole gag was stolen by the redheaded libertarian on Twitter. She did the same gag. Oh really? I found it very, and I think it's like, you know, this is no steal people's material. We would never do that. No, we just write up, take it and give you credit. Now, before we leave the Venezuela thing, I do have a clip from that you would appreciate.

48:50 This is, and I don't understand what happened. No. What do you mean no? No. No what? It's not the real estate people. It's the real estate guy. Now I'd like to know when Clayton Morris turned on Trump. He has this woman on who's an apologist for Venezuela's government and she runs a supposedly an international news operation. She's the editor of this thing called Kawashun News. It's K-A-W-S-A-C-H-U-N news.com and it's supposed to be international. I'm gonna read the headlines from the front page of this thing. Let me guess, Trump sucks.

49:36 The top story is James Cameron's Avatar 3D drop stunning new trailer. Okay, that's the top story. It's right at the top of the what you call the fold. This is the woman's Camilla Escalante. And now here's the other headlines. Experts confirm Israel's Gaza assault is genocide. Bobby Kennedy reignites eugenics debate. Shocking scandal exposed. Trump musks hunt for Social Security fraud deemed a sham. And by the way, every headline's got an exclamation point at the end. Well, of course, it's what you do. Donald Trump emblem of universal decline and collapse.

50:17 GOP's agenda exposed. How they're making your life tougher. High school runner slams main GOP lawmaker for targeting trans race winner. This looks like my YouTube feed. Anyway, it goes on. But it's like ridiculous. And so here we have her on the show and then Clayton goes on to a rant, which is information that I had no idea. Now we need to explain to everybody that we know Clayton and Natalie personally. Natalie worked for me. You trained her.

50:56 You showed her how to do it? Some me, I gave her some, yeah, I was the media. No, you trained her. No, you trained her. I dressed her and got her new hair. That was my job. And I think I did a pretty good job. Got rid of this goofy glasses, which are now back. Now they're back. You know, they, they moved to Portugal five years ago. They're back in New Jersey. They're back in New Jersey and look up Morris invest and you'll learn more about them Let's play the clip and Trump seemed to have at one point thought that this was his opportunity to do so But he's seeing that the optics aren't very good and that people including in the United States in his own party are not or at least Supporters or voters of his party aren't on board. Well, you hear that you hear the MAGA people like who you know

51:46 You know the types I'm talking about who like lick, you know, lick President Trump's feet wherever he walks. It's the narco-terrorists, like that's what we're stopping. It's the Venezuelan child trafficking operation. At Newsflash, the United States is one of the largest purveyors of child trafficking in the world, in the world, in the world. Guatemala, Ukraine, Ukraine is a massive child trafficking operation, yet we can pick and choose who we defend in all of this. It's all garbage. We all know it's about the oil. And the Chinese help, who have helped, of course, to try to actually refine some of this oil.

52:26 Which you know is not the best oil in the world when it's pulled out of the ground it requires quite a bit of refining and the Chinese have been able to help so the Chinese sphere of influence in Latin America the oil the Chinese the Russians Sphere of influence there. This is exactly why the Trump administration seems to be moving in this direction Sorry to just monologue there, but I just I feel like for anyone still falling for the drug argument They need to get their heads examined. Okay. I can tell you exactly when he became a Trump hater. I I could even look up the date if you wanted. No. What? No. What do you mean no? No, you don't have to look up the date. I'm taking your word for it that you have a date. When he went on Tucker Carlson's show. That's when it all started to flip. And it's not because Clayton Morris has any political scruples or he cares about America or... No. You think Tucker... It flipped him? No.

53:21 What flipped him was, hey, if I do the stuff Tucker's doing, we'll be more successful. He is a prime, those two, Natalie and Clayton, prime examples of audience capture. Because I know, we know what we get when we just say no, we don't think that this is how it works. We don't think that Israel controls America. Oh, everyone's hair's on fire. Enjoy your shekels. Tina said the other day, where is the Jew money? I know. She went far between. Those are populist audience capture people. And by the way, that's a lot of them. They think there's a movement, it's America first, you know, it's different from MAGA and Trump is all about foreign wars. I have friends who think this, but he's just an ob. He's just, he's just David Icke. He's just completing the great reset.

54:21 Man, you guys should pay attention. Three more years of this, you're never going to see it again. Ever, ever, ever. I've said it before. Pay very close attention to what's really happening. But no, it's all about oil. No, it truly is about America first. And even saying that... You guys used to be in kind of in the middle of now you're on everything Trump says. Trump is good, man. No, no, we just call what we see. I like the way you always have a puke sound at the end of these people's little diatribes, this voice you do. You always have that. That's always thrown in. It's the truth. It's how I hear it.

55:03 And I was like, why? I mean... But here's the thing about that little diatribe he did. What's he talking about that the United States is the number one child trafficking country in the world? That may actually be true. Well, what in what way? Purveyor. That more kids are trafficked to the United States than any other country. That I think is... That's not the way he presents it. He says it's us doing it. Yes, he didn't say it right. But I think what he means is that more children are trafficked into the United States than out of the other country. And we have a big country. I don't think China has numbers. Also, I think China has enough children of their own to do stuff with. That sounded bad, but anyway.

55:45 So, but these are typical audience capture. Oh, I mean just go back and look at him with expert marksman. He was in the military and he's gonna explain the magic bullet that hit Charlie Kirk. Oh, yeah, this is how it happened. No, that went by the wayside. It's all gone away. And the leader of this ring is Candace Owens. And actually she tweeted something that, hey, So wait, you think Candace Owens has more influence than Nick Fuentes? Oh yeah. Because Nick Fuentes has got the blue hat that says America First on it. Yeah, but Candace Owens has... I think what's happening here... Let me read what she posted yesterday. Should I do the Candace voice? I received information last night that put the final pieces together for me. Okay. I got receipts.

56:46 I now can say with full confidence that I believe Charlie Kirk was betrayed by the leadership of Turning Point USA and some of the very people who eulogized him on stage. Yes, I will be naming names and providing evidence for my claims. And I am making a personal plea to every well-meaning person who donated to this godforsaken organization to request a refund. You are lied to and leadership knew. So... This was responded to by Because the turning point USA has been very quiet for months. Well can do has been on this this long rant and Blake Neff the producer of the Charlie Kirk show responded I can play some of that in a minute, but at the end of his his long response at the top of yesterday's show He said we're going to do a live stream of

57:42 And it's set, he actually posted this on X. The live stream we announced on the show Wednesday has been set 4pm Eastern, 2pm local time, because it's Phoenix. Monday, December 15th, a collection of Charlie's friends will respond to statements made by at real Candace O to set the record straight once and for all prior to the opening of AmericaFest. We'll be streaming live from Charlie's Phoenix studio. Our offer from yesterday holds if Candice wishes to join us in person in Phoenix, she is welcome to do so. She can let us know by the end of the day." And then Candice replies, this is all playing out on X, this is fabulous.

58:18 Kind of weird how you didn't email or call me to ask about times or availability and chose to instead tweet this confirmation out at midnight. Why am I learning about this on X? December 15th does not work in person and 2 p.m. is also literal time I do my podcast live every day, which you knew. We will happily cancel the daily podcast and we'll join you guys virtually instead of the live stream on the 15th if that works on your end. So, I have to say that it's what she, of all the things she's claimed, and I'd love to play a little bit of that, the producer guy's claims, because it's pretty funny.

58:58 Of all these things she's claimed, it is very possible that in an organization like Turning Point USA, forget the $100 million a year, the political power of that organization is worth maybe billions or hundreds of billions. Very, at the time, at the time of electing President Trump, what Turning Point USA did, and they really turned out, I think a lot of the late teen, early 20s voters, I think there was, that did make a difference. But in general, just the clout of Turning Point USA, I can completely see one individual or more people within the organization going, hey man, Charlie's screwing things up because you can't go against Israel with an election, with a campaign apparatus. That's not gonna work.

59:51 I can see that happening. I can see people who saw all this political clout, this power, there's all kinds of people that were hanging around the organization. I'm going to say that's the most reasonable things that she said in a long time. Of course, it could also just be that she is doing this with an already destabilized Turning Point USA to kill it. You know, this, this, she could be an op for someone who is against Trump. I mean, she certainly seems against Trump. So anything is possible. But that's finally something she said there that made sense. I'll just let this run until we're tired of it. This guy runs down all of the nutty things Candio has said.

1:00:39 in the past few months, and I've heard I think every single one of them, so he's not exaggerating. We wanted to use this segment at the top of this hour to say something important, something very important. For the past two and a half months, there is a topic that has flooded our freedom inbox. It has been nonstop on social media, but which we have almost totally avoided on this show. You probably already know what I'm talking about. Wait, wait, wait, who is this? This is the producer of the Charlie Kirk Show because the show continues. They just have guests. Yeah, okay. How ubiquitous it has been.

1:01:15 Ever since Charlie's murder, Candace Owens has leveled a flood of allegations against people at Turning Point USA, people at Turning Point Action, and people who work for this show. She's made them against some of Charlie's closest friends and against some of his most dedicated employees. She has suggested that Michael McCoy, Charlie's chief of staff, knew Charlie would be murdered, was happy that he died, and stayed silent because he was told he would be the next Charlie. She has suggested Michael is not his real name. It is, I have seen his birth certificate myself. She has called it suspicious that Mikey's wife, who works at Turning Point, helped plan the campus tour event where Charlie was murdered, which she didn't, by the way, she doesn't work on campus events.

1:02:00 Candace has suggested the Utah Valley University event was unusual and its details suggested a quote inside job. She has claimed that foreign aircraft have followed Erica Kirk around the country and that Turning Point has lied about this happening. She has accused us of lying about Charlie wanting Erica to take over for him if he died. She has suggested Charlie's security team intentionally denied him first aid after the shooting to ensure that he died. She has raised suspicions about the head of our technical team because he took an SD card out of a camera.

1:02:36 She has spread absurd claims that Tyler Boyer, who we just had on the show, sexually abuses male interns. She has suggested that TPUSA faith affiliated pastors like theologian Frank Turek, who we'll have on in a moment, and Pastor Rob McCoy are part of a military quote infiltration of Turning Point either because they are veterans or because they have family members who are. Even if not everyone has been named specifically though Candace has effectively tarred Everyone here with complicity and Charlie's death by repeatedly saying right so he goes he goes on for seven minutes I'll put it in the show notes Wow she goes on entertaining the oh, it's very entertaining, but we have to remember one thing her husband Who what would you say he is?

1:03:26 Oh, I forgot. He's a white guy who's... he's part of your favorite group, the Nexus from the... he's a UK... he's a Lord or something like that. His dad is a Lord. His dad's a Lord. And when you saw Candace's husband, the first thing you said was he's gay. That's the first thing you said. Then that guy is nowhere. Are you accusing me of saying that the first thing I said when as soon as I saw that guy I said that guy's gay? Yes, I'm not accusing you. You're accusing me. It happened on this show. But you know British guy and looks gay and he's involved in banking with the Dutch banks. He has you know he has so much

1:04:08 British stuff going on here. Yeah, he's British. That does not, well, from a lordship, you know, from peerage. Yeah, peerage British. He's part of the system. Yes. So this guy... Yeah, the royal system that's all over the world. Even though you like to isolate it. Yeah, you want to hear more of this guy's? Accusation a little bit more and he was quote betrayed by quote everyone She has said Charlie's murder quote had to be approved by Charlie's friends And then suggested those friends might have her murdered too for quote knowing the truth

1:04:48 She's made claims of financial impropriety and fraud at turning point, adding up into the millions of dollars, which again is not true. Charlie made sure the organization was audited by a third party every year. He personally reviewed and he signed off on every expense report and It goes on, but remember she said Israel had killed him and she's still on the hit list from the Macron's. Oh yeah, she's on the hit list. Yeah. I mean, because Macron and I forgot who's ganged up. They're going to kill her. They're going to kill her. They're going to kill her. So, you know, like some, again, I think turning point is done. I mean,

1:05:33 Whether they realize it or not, but Charlie Kirk was turning point USA. No Charlie Kirk. No, he's the charismatic leader that a high-order charismatic. This is not a slouch. No, this is a high-order charismatic leader that was running the thing and keeping it together just because of his aura could do it. He could manage to do it. This is like one of those guys, like Elon Musk is a little bit like this. And he gets people to do stuff. And okay, I'd rather work for him than anything else. And once he's gone, which is the idea, it's called taking out the head of the snake, it's over. And yeah, it could linger, it could become something else, but it's not going to be where it was headed. No. So whatever's going on, if somehow it turns out, I mean, she could be right. She could be right. She said she's got names, she's got evidence, she's got proof. Okay.

1:06:34 I mean, I've been waiting. Receipts! She's got receipts. I mean, I was... What is this receipts? When did that crop up, by the way? Everybody, I've got receipts! That's for your taxes? What do you mean you get receipts? That's been going on for a while. That's, uh... But she kind of revived it. I've got the receipts. Yeah, that's been a thing for a while. You know, people say that no agenda show, current of work, they got the receipts, which I think means clips. I'm not sure. Clips. We got plenty of clips. We got clips, man. We got clips. But it's, I do not deem it impossible, although how she got from Egyptian Air Force dropping off a hitman to Turning Point USA being responsible,

1:07:17 That makes no sense. But sometimes you gotta... She takes a shotgun approach, or scatter gun we could call it. Yeah. She just... Well she has the CIA, the Candace Intelligence Agency. It's her version of boots on the ground. Except I think hers are nut jobs. You know, like, oh look what I found! Oh yeah, this is good. Where we have people, hey I did a documentary on this. We have net jobs too but we just don't read their stuff. No, we read the good ones. We got lots of good ones. When the net jobs are funny, yeah. Well, obviously. But it's very possible that there was a coup from inside Turning Point USA.

1:07:58 Now, it doesn't explain a lot of things. And of course, ever since COVID, why would we trust our government? Nobody trusts the government in any country. Anyone who's smart is like, no, you lied. We don't trust you anymore. But people say, there's been no autopsy. All of this comes out in court. You don't release this kind of, it's called, witness tampering even, I think at some point. It pollutes the public if you put information out before the trial. The jury pool. The jury pool, yeah. And so that's why it will all come out and there is an autopsy report and it, you know, how come we don't know where he was buried? And I was like, ah. It's almost like Mangione. We're just now, just now. How long ago was the Mangione thing?

1:08:51 A year ago? A year ago. Just now it's coming to trial and things are coming out. I have a 30 second update just as an intermezzo. Well the man charged with murdering United Healthcare CEO on the streets of Manhattan was back in a New York City courtroom today for a second day. 27 year old Luigi Mangione is charged with killing Brian Thompson last December. The former Penn Grads lawyers are trying to get evidence against him thrown out. That includes items found in Mangione's backpack when he was arrested at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania. They also want the 911 call that led to his capture tossed. Mangione has pleaded not guilty. Not guilty plea? That is interesting. I didn't do it. Not guilty. And then...

1:09:38 That just... I look at my timeline and my notifications on X, and I see like something really nice happened and was kind of a local story to Austin at least. Something really nice happened and then I'll tell you what people had to say about it. The couple that founded Dell Technologies, Michael and Susan Dell, have announced a $6 billion donation toward new investment accounts for children proposed by the Trump administration. The Invest America accounts will launch next year. The Treasury Department says it'll put $1,000 in the accounts of at least 25 million children. The money donated by the Dells will be for kids 10 years and younger. They'll be eligible to receive $250 each.

1:10:23 The Dells say they're investing in children because they are our future. So it's a total of six and a half billion dollars. And it's kind of a cool idea, these America investment accounts, which, you know, I think the president calls them Trump accounts, but it's really called invest, invest in America accounts. So the Dells, they say, you know, we're going to put in $250 per child, 10 years younger, 25 million children. It'll cost us six and a half billion minimum, they said, at least. And they said, hey, rich people, you should do the same. And all anybody could talk about

1:11:01 Del's wife. That's gotta be a dude! That's a dude! That's a dude! What's up with that? What's up with her eyes? It's like, that to me is astounding. That's the, no one talks about the money, it's just she looks like a dude. Have you ever met Michael Del's wife, Susan? No, I never have. I know Michael, but I never met his wife. But she, if you look at her pictures, she had, she She had an eye operation. She had an eye job. I don't know if she used a Texas person or who it was. A cattle rancher. A cattle rancher. But if you look at older pictures of her when she was a brunette especially, she was skinny, she was thin and her eyes were kind of closed. They were kind of like, they were not a

1:11:50 Sold bug-eyed look she had normal-looking eyes of a kind of you know they were normal looking if you looked at her he said that's normal-looking it's not she didn't have the big beautiful eyes or that sort of thing and I guess she wanted the big beautiful eyes and so somebody did an operation on her and And they bugged her eyes out. She looks like a freak. I feel bad about it. I know, me too. It's obvious what happened there. But, you know, the world we live in today is just, man, what the... what is that? Yeah, people should recognize what it is and what happened. It's like the same people that have that buccal fat removed You know you see that and it's like oh my god Why did you do that to yourself because some doctor? Convinced him it was a good idea because it makes your face look a little more gaunt less round which it does but it also makes you look like a like a like a

1:12:44 like a ghoul if you're thin at all. She should have come by the Curry-Dvorak consulting group. We could have given her some of that. I can just hear the surgeon saying, within 10 days you'll be restaurant ready. It's going to be great. Don't worry. Some bruising, you'll be fine. Those guys lie. Come, Bruce, you'll be fine. Now she's bug-eyed and looks like a freak. This is the shame. I just love that you'll be restaurant ready. Yeah, candlelight maybe. Anyway, so the president had his four-hour board meeting, which is another thing that, you know, you get one snippet on the news. It's really interesting to watch that.

1:13:27 A couple of things I wanted to highlight. The first was the Labor Secretary who was doing exactly what you and I said should be happening in America. The intentionality of the apprenticeship program, 1 million active apprentices across this country. We have done over 250,000 new apprentices so far in the first year and registered over 2,000 new apprenticeship Why do we need the apprenticeship programs with the men and women in the trades? Because of the leadership of on-shoring and re-shoring and have a lot of these companies reinvest in America. We have to build this country. We cannot do that without the tradesmen and women and the craftsmen of this country. And I think that Howard and I, we talked about that from the beginning and we're going to have to lean in on that because we need the labor force, 700,

1:14:25 thousand new skilled jobs with electricians, construction workers, machinists and so forth. Attention Gen Z-ers who listen to this show. There's a future. 700,000 electricians, machinists, welders. Those aren't going to be good paying union jobs. They're going to be money in the bank because all of this manufacturing is coming back. No one seems to care. Strangely. I'm blown away by it. I'm like, we've always said, what happened to apprenticeships? These are paid apprenticeships too. You get paid to learn and you can go on and do $150,000, $200,000 a year. This is amazing. By the way, I got a note from Nolan about another thing Gen Z-ers can't do. Oh, okay. We should be on the list. Okay. He says, I thought this was relevant to reading clock and Florida ounces.

1:15:23 Two co-workers recently stopped me in the hallway to ask me how to strike matches. Every time we try to light them, they break, they said. I showed them the proper technique, then stole their matches. So, isn't that interesting? Don't know how to strike a match. I can see that. Well, there's no such thing as a matchbook anymore. And so you had to buy those big stick matches in a box. I think matchbooks are still a thing. I haven't seen a matchbook for 5, 10 years. Well, you don't get out much. I mean... I get out enough to find a matchbook. I've not seen a matchbook for 5 or 10 years. When's the last time you bought some cigarettes? And I've only seen the stick matches. They don't even sell those as much. But if you buy cigarettes, they still give you a matchbook. Well, I don't buy cigarettes. There you go. There you go. There you go.

1:16:19 But then the bombshell, bombshell, bombshell, wait, do I have a bombshell? Where's the bombshell? I don't have my bombshell. The bombshell was the snap benefits. Holy moly remember how we were surprised about how much was it 80 billion dollars was is ridiculous high number 80 billion dollars well Guess what we have so much great things to talk about at USDA, but the third thing which became Very much a part of the national conversation during the Democrats shutdown was snap reform food stamp reform when all of America saw which so many of us know and have been working on. But when you have so much rampant fraud in a program that 42 million Americans participate in, now big good piece of news that I hope is written about. Since you became president, about 800,000 of those 42 million have moved off of food stamps, which is hopefully the plan with better jobs, higher wages, etc. But still, when we found 186,000 dead people or dead people's social security numbers being used,

1:17:22 500,000 people receiving benefits more than twice. We had a couple of people receiving benefits in six states. In February of this year, we asked for all the states for the first time to turn over their data to the federal government to let the USDA partner with them to root out this fraud. to make sure that those who really need food stamps are getting them, but also to ensure that the American taxpayer is protected. 21 states said yes, not surprised, 29 states said yes, not surprisingly the red states, and that's where all of that data, that fraud comes from. But 21 states, including California, New York, and Minnesota, the blue states, continue to say no. So as of next week, we have begun and will begin to stop

1:18:08 moving federal funds into those states until they comply. And they tell us and allow us to partner with them to root out this fraud and to protect the American taxpayer. As Joe Biden was working to buy an election a year ago, he increased food stamp program funding by 40%. So now as we continue to roll that back. Yeah, isn't that interesting? Unbelievable. 40% increase and the blue states don't want to give their data. Okay. No. No. No, that's typical. Yeah. I didn't see that report on the news. I wonder why. I didn't see it anywhere on the news. I'm not sure what happened.

1:18:50 But they must have overlooked it in the editorial meeting when they decide to omit stories on purpose because it reflects poorly on the Democrats and they might not do as well as they could do in the midterms and the news media's in on it. Nah, get out of town. Nah, that's not possible. That can't be. I have some clips. I have immigration crackdown clips. I have McGregor's analysis of you. Well, if you're going to bring the McGregor clips in, that's when we get to play dot MP3 dot MP3. Do we play that first? No, no, no. Okay. This is an analysis that McGregor goes on this show called the something, some, some, some vet guys.

1:19:37 is a, does a thing called the Something Something Deep Dive. And McGregor's on the show. This show is on YouTube. It has all of 30K listeners and of course, McGregor won't do an interview with us, with a million listeners because- Well, not with you, not with you. Because- Well, whatever. He didn't like your approach, man. I find it incredibly offensive that he's a stick in the mud, but he still has good stuff to a point. He does not recognize that sales, the salesmanship of Donald Trump. His analysis is good though and he brings in some, he brings in a perspective that is enjoyable to listen to because it is a little.

1:20:16 It comes in from a different angle and this is McGregor analysis of the war. What do you make of that charge that the Europe and Ukraine are trying to sabotage Trump's 28-point peace plan to put poison pills in that they know Russia won't accept? Well, the peace plan is no peace plan. It's got lots of poison pills in it anyway, so I think that's dead on arrival. Let's understand what Kushner and Whitkoff are about. They're trying to salvage something for President Trump. President Trump wants to be able to declare a victory for President Trump. This has nothing to do with Ukraine as far as he's concerned. He could care less. He's already abdicated his responsibility for leadership in Europe and NATO. So apparently he doesn't have the authority that he needs from his backers in New York City and the city of London to move forward to really do anything. So what is he doing? He sent Kushner and Whitkoff to go over there and say, look, Mr Putin, we don't really disagree with you.

1:21:12 What we really want is some sort of bone that you can throw Trump. So that Trump can come out publicly and say, look, I've done everything I can. And this is the road to peace and I've negotiated this with President Putin. He's on board. Now it's up to everybody else. And as he said a few days ago, if they're not going to accept this, and as far as he's concerned, Ukraine can fight out its little heart. You know, this is nonsense. None of this is substantive. The Russians have laid out routinely the minimal conditions for the acceptance of any peace agreement. They have never changed. So what do Whitkoff and Kushner think they're going to get? In other words, the baby is ugly. The baby's not going to become beautiful. It's ugly. It's in the cradle. Some would like to strangle it.

1:22:10 Trump wants to rescue it, but it's not gonna happen. So it doesn't make any difference what Kushner and Whitkoff do. Okay, I have some I have some clips that can parry that but I'm will listen to your son kill this part part two of this and believe me I'm sure that President Putin his inner circle understand this and if they can throw a bone to Donald Trump give him something that he can point to that says I created this I'm the heroic figure that brought peace tranquility and good fortune to Ukraine and They'll do it because they want this damn thing over as well. Not because they're losing, not because they can't win. That's all nonsense. Now, let's move to the European side. Matz is on very thin ice. Look at events in Berlin. Look at the people in the streets. Look at the strength that the people on the right, the nationalist right in Germany are achieving. They're not a bunch of crazies. They're not Nazis or any of this other crap that the globalists, you know, promote.

1:23:13 They're simply German nationalists that said enough's enough and look at their platform and what's in their platform. Their platform says we want a restoration of good relations with Russia. We want to go back to doing business with the Russians. The majority of Germans will support that. They know that. Matz knows it. This is the final hour for Matz, for Macron, for Starmer and the others. They have to come up with something that keeps the war going. If they can't, and God forbid, peace should arrive on the battlefield because Zelensky suddenly leaves the country or he and his friends are accidentally blown up, who knows? Whatever happens, that's the end of them. They lose everything, whatever little bit of credibility they may still have. And Macron and Matz are always, they're all hovering down there around 30% approval ratings.

1:24:08 Starmer is probably lower. It's over for them. Well, I'm in agreement there. Certainly on the Zelensky might get blown up bit. Unfortunate drone incident. Something can happen. His brain left. His brain left the building. The guy's an actor. He's a dancer. A dancer, yeah. He's a tiny dancer. He's a tiny dancer. This brings us to, to make his point, this goes on, I have two more clips, but to make his point he brings in your buddy, Ruta. And to prove the point he says, this is where he starts missing the point. He doesn't see Ruta as a sales guy, doesn't understand Trump as a sales guy, he doesn't get sales, he's a military guy. Oh man, this is so good.

1:25:03 And so because he doesn't get sales, he plays Ruta. So they play a clip of Ruta and the clip they play is this one, which was from two days ago. This is the MP3, MP3 clip. But this is Marco Ruta with his latest appeal. As we work for peace, we cannot lose sight of Russia's increasingly brutal attacks against Ukraine. Russia is systematically targeting civilian infrastructure. depriving Ukrainians of heat and light at the start of winter. Russia is not alone in this war as China continues to be a decisive enabler and the Iran and North Korea also provide support. Since the earliest days of Russia's full-scale invasion, Allies have shown unwavering commitment to Ukraine. In recent months, European and Canadian Allies have provided billions of dollars of essential US equipment to Ukraine through Pearl. This support is an important part of

1:26:00 of our ongoing efforts to ensure Ukraine has what it needs to defend today and deter future aggression. But, and before we get back to MacGregor, I have 40 seconds because a lot went on in Europe. This is how, before he even got to that pitch, this was the wind up before the press. What's important is that the weapon flow and all the other supports keeps on flowing, including... We must keep the weapons floating, flowing, they must keep flowing. Lithuanian initiative of investing in the defence industrial base in Ukraine, including the Czech ammunition initiative, including all the bilateral support going into Ukraine. I commend what the Irish have announced yesterday. So I think this is all important. Of course Ireland not a NATO, but still supporting Ukraine.

1:26:55 Of course, the way to fund it is debate. And I'm not going into that because this is really up to the EU. And I know the European Union is working hard at solving that issue. So thank you so much. You're welcome. We'll meet again after all the meetings. Thanks. Thanks. OK, bye bye. Thanks. I'll get to the money bit after your McGregor stuff. So yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, there's one little clip. I got two clips left, but there's a short clip here which was to me... Oh, okay. Because I've been bitching and moaning and groaning about this one little... And I never thought about this. And this is the clip three. This is the aha clip. And I just want to play this as a side, kind of an aside, and then I'll reference back to my earlier complaints. The Russians have been very precise in their application of military power from the beginning of this operation. And I say that because it's very difficult. We talk all the time about precision strike and minimizing collateral damage.

1:27:50 You're always going to have collateral damage no matter how precise you are. But the Russians have actually done an exceptionally good job of minimizing civilian losses. I've always said they did a 10-hour drone and missile strike, 10 hours, and they killed two. This is what he's talking about. I didn't realize that this is what the Russians are... They're not trying to kill people at all. They're blowing up substations and infrastructure and where they bomb make facilities, who knows what. So they are bombing for 10 hours and they're killing very few people.

1:28:27 Yeah, and that's because I kept a because the way the news presented is a Russian did this and they killed a baby And you know, it's the whole thing but wait a minute. They bombed for 10 hours and killed a baby. That's it. Yeah. Yeah Well, that's the reason I did so I think McGregor hit something there that made it worth my while now Here's the last part which you'll appreciate But what I want to stop and get people to think about is who in the hell is Ruta? Where does he come from? I don't wish to be too delicate in this sense. Hold on, let me just set it up. He was in human resources with the rest of the ladies.

1:29:04 No, he doesn't get that granular. It's more generalized. But he's from the Netherlands. How many people live in the Netherlands? 70 million. Well, if I were running the show, I would say, how many forces can the Dutch put into the field? 10. How many forces can the Norwegians put in the field? 11. Remember Stoltenberg from Norway? making all these utterly ridiculous and stupid remarks, 90% of which were lies. The same thing with Ruja. You know, anybody who is a real leader in the West would turn to these people and say, shut up and sit down. We, the United States, Washington,

1:29:46 have no interest whatsoever in continuing this destructive and pointless war with Russia. So we're not interested in what you had to say any longer. You know, the Germans understood this for years. The Russians have always understood it. At some point, you need to say, put up or shut up. During World War II, when we had 63 divisions in France, the British, including the Canadians, had 19. And the thing that no one on the Soviet side could never understand was why Eisenhower paid any attention whatsoever to what Montgomery and Churchill had to say. They had no skin in the game compared with us. 63 divisions versus 19. Well, you have a similar situation today in Europe.

1:30:35 What is your military power? How many forces have you got? The answer to those things is not much, if anything, worthy of attention. So someone needs to tell these people, shut up, sit down. Here's the answer. That is what President Trump should do. No, he doesn't. He really doesn't understand the game at all. No, he misses the beat. Doesn't understand sales because here is Ruta. Being that he's got the brown shoes on he's good to go. I do not No, I don't think that plan B we have to think about because the US is very consistent in support for Ukraine. So the question was what if America pulls out? He says no, no, no, this is not gonna happen. All NATO allies are very consistent. Of course what the US told us is we want to supply Ukraine with necessary weapons, both lethal and non-lethal. Yes, we want to supply with weapons. This is a

1:31:31 sales gig. But we expect Europeans and Canadians to step up when it comes to the paying for it. Where's your money? Where is the money? Are we not giving you credit? You must show us the money. The US is delivering the necessary weapons including the air defense systems, the X-3 missiles, for the Patriot systems but also for the other air defense systems. and all the other stuff and all the military gear you need to stay as strong as possible in the fight, paid for by European and Canadian allies. That is the big program which starts in July and at the moment already 5 billion and I think by the end of the year 5 billion of that supply will have been delivered to Ukraine. Critical material. But I have no reason to think that we have to prepare for those eventualities. No, just pay up with the money. So the money is what's on the table.

1:32:19 And Queen Ursula came out yesterday and she laid, and it's interesting because I didn't realize this. I don't, I didn't clip it because it was so long and boring. But she said, we have tabled two things. Now in America, if you say we've tabled that, it means we're not going to consider it. Am I right? You muted yourself, which is illegal in 29 states. Unmute. You know, it's when I open something and I... it's hard to explain how that happens. No, it means you put it aside. Yeah, but in Europe it means... But it doesn't mean you're not going to address it someday. No, but in Europe when you say, we've tabled two proposals, that means we have two proposals on the table. What? Yeah, I know. I was confused. I was really confused. Well, here's... We learned something today. Here is the French 24 overview clip.

1:31:31 sales gig. But we expect Europeans and Canadians to step up when it comes to the paying for it. Where's your money? Where is the money? Are we not giving you credit? You must show us the money. The US is delivering the necessary weapons including the air defense systems, the X-3 missiles, for the Patriot systems but also for the other air defense systems. and all the other stuff and all the military gear you need to stay as strong as possible in the fight, paid for by European and Canadian allies. That is the big program which starts in July and at the moment already 5 billion and I think by the end of the year 5 billion of that supply will have been delivered to Ukraine. Critical material. But I have no reason to think that we have to prepare for those eventualities. No, just pay up with the money. So the money is what's on the table.

1:32:19 And Queen Ursula came out yesterday and she laid, and it's interesting because I didn't realize this. I don't, I didn't clip it because it was so long and boring. But she said, we have tabled two things. Now in America, if you say we've tabled that, it means we're not going to consider it. Am I right? You muted yourself, which is illegal in 29 states. Unmute. You know, it's when I open something and I... it's hard to explain how that happens. No, it means you put it aside. Yeah, but in Europe it means... But it doesn't mean you're not going to address it someday. No, but in Europe when you say, we've tabled two proposals, that means we have two proposals on the table. What? Yeah, I know. I was confused. I was really confused. Well, here's... We learned something today. Here is the French 24 overview clip.

1:33:22 This high-rise in Brussels is at the center of an argument over how the EU could help fund Ukraine's war efforts. It's the headquarters of Euroclear, a Belgian financial institution which holds the vast majority of frozen Russian assets in the EU, to the tune of about 185 billion euros. The EU has proposed using a huge chunk of that money, or about 90 billion euros, to help Kiev in its fight against Russia over the next two years. And since pressure is the only language the Kremlin responds to, we can also dial it up. We have to increase the costs of war for Putin's aggression and today's proposal gives us the means to do this. The money would come to Kiev in the form of so-called reparations loans. In theory, the money would be repaid on the condition that Russia pays reparations to Ukraine for the destruction it caused during the war. The plan also rests on the assumption that Russia's assets would remain frozen for the foreseeable future.

1:34:24 Moscow has called the plan illegal. And if Russia decides to sue Euroclear, Belgium says it alone would suffer all the legal and financial risks. It is not acceptable to use the money and leave us alone facing the risks. We have repeatedly said that we consider the option of the reparations loan the worst of all. As it is risky, it has never been done before. Ukraine's budget and military needs through 2027 total an estimated 130 billion euros. And with the Trump administration having stalled financial support for Kyiv, Europe is under growing pressure to fill the gap.

1:35:06 Okay, so this is kind of what McGregor was talking about because they need money to fund this thing, to keep this war going. They can't really print money in Europe. They don't have a world reserve currency. So, you know, printing up a couple hundred billion euros is going to weaken the euro and it's a non-starter. So, there's only two ways they can do it and Ursula laid this all out. One is you can raise the money in the capital market, so borrow, which would, I mean, that also could weaken the whole E, the Euro and everything, you know, create some kind of bond.

1:35:47 Or you steal the Russian money. And here's Ursula explaining the math because she's taking it to a level, you know what? We're not gonna steal the money from Euroclear. You gotta listen carefully to what she says. We're only gonna take 90 billion to start with and here's how the math works out. That was a very clear tasking by the European Council. You remember it started with me writing a letter to the European Council with three different options. that were in the options paper, a debate we had last time and the very clear tasking to come early enough before the December European Council with the legal text. That's what we're doing here today. And now to the figures. If you take all CSDs and commercial banks, the immobilized Russian assets, overall it's 210 billion.

1:36:45 Now, what did we do? We looked at the needs for Ukraine in the years 2026 and 2027 as calculated by the IMF. And this is 137 billion euros and we've said we cover two-thirds. And this is how we come to the 90 billion euros, two-thirds of these needs for the next two years. So, that's a lot of nice accounting, but really what she's saying is there are CSDs, so they're secured deposits of Russian money in different banks. So, she's saying, we won't go to Euroclear, we'll steal the money from all the other places where the assets have been frozen.

1:37:28 And I found an analyst on CNBC. I've never seen her before. She has kind of an Eastern European, maybe Russian accent, but she did a pretty good job of analyzing what is really happening here. For a start, the frozen assets is way bigger than 90 billion. That's not her, obviously. I can explain the figure. Okay, explain the figure. It's 90 billion for a period of two years. So there's more, you're right. We're talking about almost 300 billion that are indeed frozen at the moment. But what the European Commission is saying is that we are going to use for the time being only 90 billion

1:38:06 for the next two years to support Ukraine. That doesn't cover all the financing needs, but it's just what the Commission decided to put forward at this stage. I can see a flaw in this plan immediately and I'm pretty sure as part of, I don't know, we are down to 27 bullet points or 28 bullet points between Putin and Trump at the moment. I'm pretty sure that part of that plan was you hand back those frozen assets. You're right and there's so many angles we could take with the story because there are so many issues here actually. So I'll try to explain it as best as I can. Which is good enough for me, that's for sure. I'll do my best. So what the European Commission said yesterday was

1:38:47 Okay, we need to support Ukraine with further financing. What we're suggested to do is to use the so-called frozen Russian assets that are held on the European continent. So what the commission is trying to do here is to try to use the assets that are available across the bloc, not just in Belgium. Because we know Belgium, where the majority of the assets are held, has had very strong legal concerns about this problem. Even before the Commission put forward this proposal, Belgium was already saying they had issues with it. We heard, for instance, from the Foreign Affairs Minister, Maxime Prévost, saying that they were going to plead for alternatives here and indeed they believe that EU borrowing is the best option rather than using the frozen Russian assets. So Ursula herself is a sales lady.

1:39:39 She came out with these two proposals. One, we'll just borrow the money or we can steal it from the Russians over here. And our analyst explains what that was really about. It was your typical, would you like the sandals, the sneakers, or the shoes I really want to sell you? you. all of the member states, all of the 27 to say yes to that plan. And we know countries such as Hungary are likely to raise issues with that. So one EU official told me yesterday that by putting forward two proposals, what the European Commission is trying to do here is to show to the member states that the most viable option is still to go down the route of the frozen Russian assets.

1:40:40 Now we know the Russians think this is illegal. It is illegal it would end the at least the European financial Integrity who would ever want to bank with anything? Why would you send your money over there for any investment purposes or anything for that matter if they're gonna steal it? Well according to Ursula on a whim listen to this I Listen who's egging her on to do it. We have informed the US administration, I've spoken for example to Scott Besant, that we are planning before, right before today, that we're planning on developing a system of the reparations loan.

1:41:23 It was positively received and also informed the others. I could just hear, yeah, yeah, do it Ursula, good idea, go ahead, do it, do it, do it, do it, you can do it. Who cares about the City of London? Who cares about Frankfurt? Do it, just do it. Who have potentially immobilized Russian assets. Dude, this is so dumb. I don't even understand. Is her job to kill the European Union? Maybe we've misjudged her. Maybe she's a Manchurian candidate. I don't think so. And listen to this. If that wasn't stupid enough, we got to top her. A move that looks set to turn off the tap on Russian gas forever, praised by the European Commission presidents. We're turning that page and we're turning it for good.

1:42:35 This is the dawn of a new era, the era of Europe's full energy independence from Russia. After pledging to reduce Russian energy intake following the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the share of Russian gas in EU imports has fallen from 45% in 2021 to 12% as of October this year. But while Europe has slashed pipeline deliveries, it's partly turned to liquefied natural gas, by sea, unloaded at ports and fed back into the network. Imports of Russian LNG into the EU are still expected to amount to 15 billion euros this year. Under Wednesday's agreement, Russian pipeline gas will be phased out by the end of September 2027 and LNG imports banned by the end of next year. The Commission also wants to end remaining imports of Russian oil with legislation to be proposed next year.

1:43:31 But this agreement is already facing challenges from member states. Slovakia, still highly reliant on gas and oil from Moscow, is weighing its legal options, while Hungary's foreign minister says his country already has a plan. As soon as the Repower EU plan is formally adopted, we will immediately challenge it before the EU Court of Justice. Legal proceedings will start without delay. Preparatory work is already underway. We will do everything necessary to defend Hungary's energy security. Meanwhile, the Kremlin has condemned the move, saying it would doom Europe to becoming less competitive and lead to higher prices for consumers. Of course! These people are insane and right on cue in the Netherlands

1:44:18 where they have an open energy market, which means you can, you know, you can brand your own version of energy. Oh, we're the green guys. Take our electricity. Every single one of them is now introducing smart heating. Oh yeah. So you will get it, you know, this is, we, this already failed here in America, but yeah, we're going to give you a thermostat that we can control to heat your home smartly. You remember it was... Yeah, the remote-controlled thermostat. I think it was three years ago, maybe... I forget, it was longer than that. Two or three years ago we had friends here, they're in their 70s, and you know, the business people that have some stores around here, used to do some real estate, and they both had the flu, which is not nice.

1:45:13 But he sent out a text message saying, hey, you know, I signed up for that smart heating thing and now it's 28 degrees and we can't turn the heat up manually because they had opted into one of those stupid plans. So I had to take a space heater over to them. This is the dumbest idea. All of Europe is being ruined by this woman. So, this is a capture by the Greens. I mean, this is obviously a problem. Now, this brings us to another point, I think McGregor made it or somebody did, which is they predict that Germany, because of the AFD,

1:45:56 At some point, they're going to cave and the AFD is going to take over the place. Yeah. And the first thing they're going to do is get out of the EU and get out of NATO. Of course. Because then they can do business. Russia, really? Well, you don't want their gas? We'll take it. And the Russians will have it at a cheaper price. I mean, anything's cheaper than hauling it over in a ship. Right. And then so they just ramp back up. I mean, Germany is the industrial powerhouse that can ramp up in a minute if you give them cheap energy. And they just run roughshod over the rest of these European countries which are going to be what's left of the EU. Starving. They're going to be starving. Starving. The hunger winter.

1:46:38 Let's get an update from the North Sea Nexus on how the Russian peace talks went. The announcement of the EU's plans came after high-stakes peace talks between the US and Russia in Moscow failed. Once again to produce any breakthrough. Russia has dismissed any suggestion that Vladimir Putin rejected all of President Trump's proposals. But at a nation... That's an interesting line that she uses here. So that's very interesting construction. You're right. I heard it too. Yeah, she said are you gonna have to elucidate it or? Repeat it or both. So she says Russia has rejected any claims that Putin Rejected all of the proposals

1:47:22 So what you're hearing as a casual listener of the BBC is, Russia rejected all claims, rejected everything. But that's not what she actually said. She said the Russians rejected this notion that Putin rejected everything. Again, to produce any breakthrough. Russia has dismissed any suggestion that Vladimir Putin rejected all of President Trump's proposals. But at a NATO meeting in Brussels this morning, the Secretary General Mark Rutte said if the peace talks took too long there were two ways to put pressure on Russia. One is making sure that the Russians understand that a weapon flow into Ukraine will keep on going. This is exactly what's happening today thanks to the US, thanks to the Europeans. US sending its crucial gear to Ukraine, paid for by Canada and European allies. But also Europe and Canada doing a lot bilaterally. And secondly

1:48:13 making sure that the economic sanctions bite, that they are effective. That's also exactly what's happening. Bite? Yes. Despite the customary smile... They bite, the people will be very cold in Europe, but they bite. Okay, that's good. They bite. Despite the customary smiles and handshakes for the cameras, NATO countries meeting here know they've been sidelined from the Ukraine peace process by their biggest and most influential member, the US. Secretary of State Marco Rubio is conspicuous by his absence. President Trump is pushing for an immediate end to the war and has already stopped giving weapons to Ukraine. What does that even mean? Rubio is conspicuous by his absence. What is the subtext of that? There is some subtext because in all the analysis I've been listening to there's something about Rubio is

1:49:02 I think McGregor's right, the whole thing is really about getting a bone for Trump and ending the war that way with some phony baloney thing that's gonna happen and Rubio's not part of it because he would, that's not him. They want these two sales guys in there, Whitcoff and Kushner to try to push this across the line and Rubio's not involved. He's just not involved. Secretary of State Marco Rubio is conspicuous by his absence. President Trump is pushing for an immediate end to the war and has already stopped giving weapons to Ukraine, although he is still willing to sell them via Europe for now. As for the Putin-Witkoff meeting in Moscow last night, the Kremlin said it would be wrong to suggest President Putin had rejected the US proposals and insisted there could be more meetings with the Americans for as long as necessary.

1:49:57 Crucially though, there's no sign whatsoever Moscow is ready to give up its key demand for Ukrainian territory it hasn't yet taken in exchange for ending the war. So that's the BBC's take and remember it starts with the talks have failed. Let's listen to the... Yeah this is the BBC, they're just gone off the rails. I have to say that this brings back to mind the Zelensky either fleeing the country or or getting blown up. Oh yeah. But I think he's going to flee the country. Well, they only have two weeks. Two weeks until the money is on the table or decided what they're going to do to continue to vep and flow. But the thing is, I think there's an ambassador somewhere. There's the Ukrainian ambassador to, I want to say the UK. And I think if Zelensky goes out, that guy comes in.

1:50:55 I've been hearing his name. Let me see what is it? Well, Celestin's got to go because once he lost his his aid to get really running anything that his producer is, you know, TV radio producer, director, his producer. Yes. Once that guy left, had he he fleed. You know, he's not indicted. He's gone. He took off. Yeah. Oh, he left. He's he's rudderless. He's in Monaco. Oh, you went to Monaco? That's where they all are. If you go to Monaco, there's Rolls Royces, Ferraris, all with... Oh, no, I've been to Monaco a couple of times. But all... but you didn't let me finish. All with Ukrainian license plates. Oh, that's... I don't... I never noticed, but I'll say this. Monaco, if you're gonna escape to some place and they let you do it... You want to go to Monaco.

1:51:44 That's where I'd go. That's right. Okay, here's the French 24 version of the talks report. The Trump administration's top envoys have once again left the Kremlin empty-handed with no peace deal. Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner sat down with Russia's Vladimir Putin tasked with finding a way to end the war in Ukraine. They discussed the framework of the revised US-backed peace plan. Putin's foreign policy aide said it was a positive discussion, but more work needs to be done. The conversation was very useful, constructive and very meaningful. It lasted not for five minutes, but for five hours. We could agree with certain things, and President Putin confirmed this to his interlocutors. We criticized some things.

1:52:28 And the president did not hide our critical, even negative attitude to a number of proposals. No details have been given about what was discussed, but Yuri Yushakov said they did talk about the territorial problem. Moscow has not backed down on its territorial demands, seeking Russian sovereignty not just in the 20% of Ukrainian land currently controlled by its troops, also calling on the Ukrainian army to retreat from the front line and concede further losses. I love how she says there's no details but then she has all these details! She's got a lot of details. Russia is also calling for a more than 30% reduction in the size of Ukraine's army and the possibility of Ukrainian NATO membership to be completely off the table. Ukrainian President Zelensky has been on tour around Europe to fortify support against Russia's invasion. Before details of the US-Russian meeting emerged, he once again reiterated his country's need for long-term deterrence against Russian aggression.

1:53:26 So that's a little different than the BBC. It's like, well, the Russians right there said, well, you know, we got along in some things. They listened to us. We had some points we didn't agree on. There was a real conversation. But oh no, not according to the BBC. Oh no, oh no, no. So two weeks, the clock is ticking. Two weeks for the money. They're going to have to make a decision in the European commission has to make a decision. Are we going to borrow the money or are we going to steal the money? It's such a great, this is a great show to watch. I really love it. It's funny. Especially with Ursula and Rutte, those two just make it great. And then, oh, all of a sudden, let me ask you a question. What is the point of banning countries from international events?

1:54:25 Like, you know, Russia. Russia's not allowed to be in Olympics. There's virtue signaling. No real reason. I mean, there is really no reason. It doesn't do anything. It doesn't. No, in fact, it does the opposite of what these events are supposed to do, which is bring people together. Well, here's the latest. It's a major test for the world's most beloved international song competition. Members of the European Broadcasting Union, the body that organized Eurovision, will meet Thursday to decide whether Israel can compete in 2026. Public broadcasters from Spain, Slovenia, the Netherlands and Ireland have threatened to withdraw if Israel participates, citing the Palestinian death toll in Gaza due to Israel's offensive.

1:55:09 A boycott could be a blow for sponsorship and viewership, particularly by Spain, which is one of the big five contributing countries. We hold the same position we had months ago when we said Israel's participation in the Eurovision festival was untenable for two main reasons. Firstly, because of the genocide it has perpetrated in Gaza. Eurovision is of course a contest, but human rights are not a contest." Eurovision has always aimed to remain apolitical, but Israel's participation has heavily influenced the last few editions. This year, critics accused Israel of unfairly boosting support for its entrant Yuval Rafael, a survivor of the October 7th attacks, pushing her to a second-place finish despite little backing from professional juries. The controversy pushed EBU to change its voting rules, aimed at pacifying angry member states.

1:56:02 Members will discuss Thursday whether these new rules are adequate or else there will be a vote on participation. Should Israel be voted out, it wouldn't be the first country to be barred. Russia has been excluded from Eurovision since its 2022 invasion of Ukraine and Belarus since 2021. Eurovision 2026 is scheduled to take place next May in Austria. So the Dutch The Dutch, oh no, if Israel is in it, we're out. We're going to boycott it. What? What? This presents a great opportunity though. This is where America should step up.

1:56:41 And should say we're creating the gayest song contest of the world ever and everybody's invited and we can do it Yes, and Trump could do it. The gayest song contest in the world. Let's get rid of this Eurovision crap and we'll even give the UK an advantage because they're always last. We'll give them a five-point advantage. It would be fantastic. Handicap. A handicap, thank you. A handicap. It would be great. This is... That's what they're worried about. So all eyes, two weeks. I'll keep my eye on it. We'll be on top of it. Of course. It's so good.

1:57:31 I have a couple of clips from two actually, which is a couple but it's not really. In fact, they screwed it up twice. That's good to know. Yes, Arctic Frost. Yeah. So which one is it? Well, the first of the ones that say one are both the same. Which it should be because they're one but well, I look at the time and I say oh I forgot to cut it. I'm guessing it cuts off. I'll tell you when to stop it. Okay, here we go. Good afternoon everybody a little bit of history before I get to what we're... Oh, this is... What's his name? Yeah, this is what's his name? Yeah, the old guy the old geezer. Yeah, the 90 year old the guy The only guy who's still on top of Arctic Frost in in our government. All right good. We love him policing today I started the investigation into Arctic Frost July 2022 based on

1:58:26 Whistleblower disclosures based on these disclosures. We know that weaponized taxpayer-funded agents and prosecutors advanced the investigation as Arctic frost advanced a 92 Republican organizations or individuals were targeted, not just Trump. And they were added to its scope. And author of that targeting list was Special Agent Walsh and Walter Jared Dino. He's the same weaponized agent who was involved in other cases against Republicans, including Peter Navarro. We've learned Jack Smith secretly obtained

1:59:16 phone record data from at least eight senators and one congressman. I've recently been informed by Verizon that at least 11 members with Verizon accounts were affected. That includes a hard line for Senator Cruz's office and a staffer cell phone for former Senator Loeffler. AT&T informed me they challenged the legal basis for Jack Smith's efforts and Smith's back down. We already had this though. I thought we had this. Yeah, well he keeps repeating it so it's grassley. And so it's like...

1:59:58 I keep getting the sense that this is a commercial for AT&T. Because we protect your privacy. Pay no attention to that building on 2nd Street in San Francisco where we tap the entire internet. The building with no windows. Yeah, the building's beautiful. It's a beautiful window, yeah, beautiful. Yeah, you can stand out in front of it and point at it and the cops will show up. Yeah, you don't have to play anymore of this, but this is getting no coverage whatsoever by the mainstream media at all. And I'd like to know why. It's like this story we covered earlier in the show, and it's another thing you brought it in to clip. No, zero coverage. No, but we need to do war crimes! War crimes! So this is a follow-up, not to

2:00:54 We can drop the Arctic Frost and go to Jack Smith called. This is another thing that nothing's going to come of it. I'll be definitely dogging this hearing when it happens. Special Counselor Jack Smith has been called to appear before the House Judiciary Committee. In a letter, Chairman Jim Jordan told Smith this is over the prosecution of President Trump. Smith investigated President Trump for allegedly meddling in the 2020 election. He eventually brought criminal charges against Trump, one related to the election, another for allegedly mishandling classified documents. Both cases were dropped after Trump won re-election. The subpoena also demands all documents and communications related to Smith's time as special counsel. Smith is expected to appear on December 17th. Oh yeah.

2:01:41 Okay, another thing nothing will come of it. No This is embarrassing well I I still think that there's more going on at the Department of Justice because Bondi will do whatever she's told the whole point of putting her in charge is And I presume Patel and Code Bongino is to route out the bad actors and all the nonsense and all the crap that's been going on for years and years and years. And I think some of it will come out. I don't know about this particular item. But we're going to, it has to be. Trump is going, as long as he stays alive, we had a perfect MRI by the way. Oh yeah, everything's perfect. Best ever. In fact, he aced it. He aced his MRI. You aced the MRI. That's a good. I got an x-ray the other day, I aced it. I aced it, man, no problem. He's out for blood for everything. He is ripping apart all of these systems, all of it.

2:02:45 Do as best he can. Don't forget USAID shut down. I mean... Yeah, that's really good. That's a big deal. Huge thing. Of course the Democrats will get in because nobody votes in the midterms, especially the lazy Republicans. So they'll get back in and they'll make a mess of things once they get back that that's a house back. They won't get the Senate That's why you activate Flynn get everybody afraid of the Muslims. Oh, I don't think that's gonna do the trick but maybe maybe not now I have a pre donation clip. Okay, perfect. And can I just remind everybody I was talking to to a friend yesterday and

2:03:26 He works for a very big Christian organization and his wife, she is, she's a no agenda nut. She loves the show. He says to me, my wife listens more to you and John than to me, which by the way, she's a good woman. A good woman will keep your marriage healthy for a long, long time. Another person on the call who also listens, he's probably listening while she's cleaning. That's how good of a woman she is. Okay, thanks John. Really helpful. Very helpful. And his colleagues, he says, hey, you know, I didn't realize it, but when you guys go to thank people, donation, there's like a whole hour of show after that. I said, yes. So I looked down, I was like, oh, there's an hour. Yes. We thank people who are executive and associate executive producers. And then we come back with more show.

2:04:20 Yeah. It's amazing. People think, oh, donations, guess the show's over. We don't do donations at the end of the show. No, but in fact, we even have a tip at the end after the second round of donations. Tip of the day and there's stuff in the donation segment that you are missing. Yes, every so often there's some really great stuff. More often than every so. Anyway, your pre-donation clip, which is what? So this woman, Lily Gaddis, I don't know if you're familiar with her. She's a YouTuber. Oh. She is a character on YouTube that is and she got demonetized and kicked off and that's the point of the donation segment Because she was reliant on on YouTube for her income. She's making good money Oh, no, but they kicked her off now I will remind if people may have seen these clips, but she does sometimes she does The her show it which is bitching and moaning or giving advice or whatever and she'll do it in blackface

2:05:22 You do find the most interesting and entertaining people John you do so Lily are going blackface But she's the only blackface her hands are still white. They're like bone white and she's in complete blackface lecturing black women oh good and I have to say I Yeah, it's racist and I guess it would be offensive if it wasn't so funny and But so now she's singing the blues and this is the reason now This will be hard to will this work by not seeing her doing this in blackface. No, I'm blackface where she's doing this She's now holding a mic and he can't even talk and do it right and she did she's got lost her I guess her producer because it doesn't sound good and

2:06:04 bad audio and she is lamenting the fact that she got kicked off and she's sorry because she's just being herself blackface just being herself as a goofball and it says to me this is why we don't rely on something like YouTube for our income or we don't rely on advertisers and all the rest of it because this can happen to us if we didn't go through the trouble and expense of having our own servers, we have our own infrastructure, we have our own... RSS feeds. Sysadmin. Yes.

2:06:40 which costs money and we have these expensive but we don't have to worry about this woman's plight. I have officially been demonetized on YouTube which was my sole form of income. Aside from a few tiny little outlets here and there, YouTube was my main moneymaker. And I'm kind of stupid. I don't have a five-year plan. I don't plan ahead. I live in the moment. I put it all out there. I'm an open book. I live with my heart on my sleeve. If I say something, I mean it. I couldn't censor myself, I refuse to censor myself. It's just impossible. I really tried. I really tried my best, believe it or not. What you saw on YouTube was the vanilla me. It was like the vanilla of the vanilla. And I tried my best, but they want to keep a real down, okay? And that's what they're doing.

2:07:27 Yeah, we would not have lasted more than 18 years if we relied on any third party platform. We wouldn't have lasted 18 months. Yeah, it's sad when I see this happen. And when people say to me, hey man, why don't you stream the show on X like Tim Pool and Tucker and other smart people? And I don't answer that, but I will answer it here. Because if for whatever reason, because whenever you have a big the sensor button, it can be used against you. If it exists, it can and probably will be used against you eventually. And if we... Here's the other problem. Well, let me finish my thought. Okay. If we build up an audience on X who are used to watching it there and then all of a sudden it goes away, so you lose your audience at the whim of a madman.

2:08:20 This is exactly what I was going to say and you obviously caught me in the process. But yes, they get dependent on the outlet. Yes. And then you go away, they kick you off the outlet and the next thing you know, what happened to them? I don't know, who cares? This is the entire reason that Dave Jones and I started PodcastIndex.org, which we make no money from. And we start over five years ago when Apple started deplatforming, not the monitor, but deplatforming podcasts from Apple podcasts. And because at the time all apps, all podcast apps were all checking Apple's database, which they leave open.

2:09:07 They disappeared from all the other apps. This is the antithesis of podcasting. And so that's why you want to get a modern podcast app, so your favorite... and these shows, and they do video too by the way, you can do video on those podcast apps. They work quite well actually. You know, get smart people! Figure it out! You know, we literally saw Twitter going from banning people on the right and now X is banning people on the left. I mean, you do not want to be anywhere near a ban hammer. It's just that's just the fact. So, yes, the only problem we still seem to have, which I don't think is something we can solve, is emails. And, you know, and Tina always she's always, oh, happened again. John had to send out another email because, you know, you have all your metrics, you know how it works.

2:10:02 And these emails, whether it's the wrong emoji or you put Trump in there three times instead of two, outfits like Gmail will just market as spam. And then it goes away or doesn't even show up at all. The problem with Gmail is it's inconsistent. The problem with Gmail is everyone uses it. That's the problem. That is the real problem. That's the real problem. And so yes, I sent this thing out because there was no, uh, I didn't get enough kickback on the, uh, auto replies. I used to have like 10 people or something. They always say 10 to 15 auto replies come back out of office. And this was more pronounced on the weekends, but this happens all the time. None zero. Hey, by the way, none.

2:10:52 Who still puts out of office replies on their email? Who does this anymore? Lots of people. More people than you'd like. That's gotta be a boomer move if I ever saw one. Yeah, well, but it's symmetric. You're never out of the office. It's not that many, but it's enough that I notice it. You're never not gone. So I sent a note out saying if you didn't get, I had more responses on this particular one. I had at least 50 people and that means there's gotta be at least a factor of five more that said no, I never got the email. I looked in my box, I looked here, I looked there, I looked everywhere and it wasn't in here, it wasn't in promotion, it wasn't in spam, it didn't come.

2:11:32 And I got like, wow, there's like one after the other after the other that sent this note back saying that they never heard of it, they never saw the email, including the ones that really bother me, which is, I've always gotten the email, it's always come except this time. So what? How does that work? I'm using the same template for the email that I always use. basically it's the same email, except it's got, you know, tomorrow's show is different every time. That's the main thing. And the memes are different and so is the hypocrite of the week. They're all different. But it's the same template and I'm going light on the headline. I can't figure out for the life of me why this one got, this is a, and I have to say this has gotta be male chimp side. Could be, could be. I mean, I just have to remind you

2:12:26 that when we had Podshow before it was Mevio, that we got a deal from a company that was also funded by the same investors, Kleiner Perkins, and I think maybe it was Sequoia only, but you know, the big guys. And that was a company that made deals with the big email providers, Yahoo, Gmail, probably AOL. And you had to pay because we had customer service emails that needed to go out. You know, you register, you get an email and you had to pay. these companies so that you would be guaranteed delivery. It was a huge and was like $10,000 a month just for starters. Yes, I do not believe that MailChimp has not paid this bribe. Well, then there's the problem. Who pays the bribe? We got to go with those guys.

2:13:19 Well, I think MailChimp does pay the bribe. You think they pay the bribe? Well, they gotta up their ante. But I don't care because it's still having them having fails. I think a lot of it happens on the MailChimp side doesn't go out or who knows what. Whatever the case, there's a couple of systems I'm gonna check out. It's a pain in the ass. I expect to do this in January. But it's like, it was a very annoying moment. I had to send out this second email. And here's the problem with doing it. I don't mind doing it because it's easy to crank out a second email. because they charge a flat fee so I can send an email out every hour if I wanted to. But every time you send out a second email, you get a bunch of people that see it and go, oh yeah, I'm unsubscribing. So they take themselves off the list. So we have an X number of unsubscribers that go up exponentially when you send out too much email. I know, you're spamming me, bro.

2:14:09 I don't want you to spam Dvorak. Hey! With that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you the man who put the C in Cuellar. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and the only Mr. John C. Dvorak! Yeah, in the morning of the year of Santa Cruz, the marships, seaboats, and the graphite in the air. The surfs in the water and all the names of knights out there. Hold on a second, trolls. Let me count you. Don't move. Let me see. Here we go. All right, 1,513. It's cold outside. What are you doing, people? Those are people who are listening live to the show as we speak. Many of them are in the troll room being interactive. They're helping. They're engaging. They're engaging with our content. That's how we got the notice about the dentist at the, uh, Oh yeah, Epstein Island. Exactly. They help. They're helpful. It's like our own studio audience, but they can talk back.

2:15:06 And that's just one of the thousands of producers that we have. As I said, they're listening live and we talked about it earlier. Get yourself a modern podcast app at podcastapps.com. That'll even notify you when we go live and then you just tap on that notification and you hear the live stream in your podcast app. Mind blown. And because of the pod ping technology included in all of these apps, when we post the show, you're not waiting around like a schlub watching every post. Wow, yeah, I just got the show. It's not a... You didn't upload to Apple yet, man. Hey, are we on Spotify yet? I don't think Spotify approved us. Let me see. Creators.Spotify.com. Then we can bitch. Yeah, well, let me see. First they were stealing our material and then they... First they were stealing it without our permission?

2:15:54 Auto up. Oh, oh, we're on. We're up. No, we're not. Nope. We're still processing. We're still under review. So that means we're not, we're not getting in. We're not going to get in. We're no good. This is imagine. We're no good. Someone's going to get us in. No. Imagine if we had built up a following of people listening on Spotify because from day one when they started and they had that contract, I'm like, no, we're not doing that. Then you said, no, we're not doing that. Bad, bad, bad. And then they took us off. And imagine if there were tens of thousands of people listening or hundreds of thousands and then all of a sudden it's gone. So no, you can't count on these people. They are no good. We of course are great.

2:16:37 And that's why people help us in many different ways. Time, talent or treasure, we pioneered the value for value model, which is exactly what John was talking about. We don't rely on any platform to pay us. We don't have ads inserted. You don't have to go to Patreon who ultimately, you know that Patreon winds up taking the money on both ends. So if you have a Patreon account and your people subscribe to your level, Whatever it is, which is a fixed amount which we don't believe in no at all this makes no sense, but okay Then they take I think 7% of the money you get does their processing fee But the way it works is they also take the processing fee from the person who sent it oh So they're double dipping they are this is what I believe this is what I've heard

2:17:31 I don't have a I do well yeah if we were running patreon we would absolutely yeah of course so we also like other ways of people helping us we've got end of show mixes we have the producers everywhere producers everywhere I mean who else has someone just did a document who did a documentary on drug boats and blowing them up and wasn't allowed to show the footage come on I mean these by the way I should probably mention this We, uh, where did I put it? We got a note from Rob, the constitutional lawyer about Sharia law in Texas. Interested? Of course!

2:18:10 Is the Pope a Catholic? Does the bear crap in the woods? You and John have been discussing Sharia law in Texas. I barely know anything about Sharia law, but I do know a couple of things that you might find enlightening. Bottom line, nothing prevents private parties from practicing Sharia law amongst themselves by agreement. This is something that people don't really think about. Parties can agree to be bound by whatever body of law they want just as long as it doesn't run afoul of statute or some judicially recognized public policy. I've actually litigated contract disputes in which parties in one state have agreed to be bound by the laws of another state, or even another country, or even a set of rules that negotiate between them.

2:18:53 After all, this is what a contract is, an agreement to do things in a certain way. Next time you sign a contract, look for a choice of law provision. The odds are good it will make you subject to the laws of another jurisdiction. Parties can also resolve their disputes outside the court system. Typically this takes the form of arbitration clause, also very common except in consumer contracts. Arbitration can take many forms. Judge duty, the people's court, all these pseudo courtroom shows are essentially arbitration. See, I didn't know that. Sharia style forms are no different as long as the parties agree legitimately.

2:19:31 Again, there are laws that impose restrictions, especially in the employment and consumer context where one party wields all the power. But as long as an agreement doesn't run afoul of these laws or of a recognized public policy, Muslims and non-Muslims alike can agree to be bound by Sharia law. This is not the same thing as enacting city ordinances that conflict with Texas or U.S. law. It must be done by private agreement, and both parties have to agree. So this sounds kind of logical when you think about it, but next time you hear, Sharia law is coming! Well, yeah, that's like your HOA. Basically. That's what it is. And the HOA may be worse. Call the suits.com for all of your Sharia law disputes. I'm sure Rob will be happy to help you. So now let us thank the artist for episode 1822. We titled that one... hold on a second... 1821, I'm sorry. We titled that Genesis.

2:20:26 That was for the Genesis project, the bailout of the AI companies. Great piece of art. I realize you... because this was the artist from Jock10, J-O-C-K-U-10, Jock10. This is Comic Strip Blogger. No, it's not Jock. I don't think it's Comic Strip Blogger. I don't think so. But it came from something you said in the show, which I think we actually... We even put that at the... Did we use that at the beginning of the show? Where you said, the phone is the devil's playground, man. It's Comic Strip Blogger. It's not Comic Strip Blogger. Well, go back and look. I thought it was Jock 10. Did I not do that properly? Yeah. Oh, did you credit him wrong on the page? I guess I did, yeah. Well, I feel bad about that.

2:21:21 Well, you should. Poor Commissar blogger got no credit. I'm surprised he didn't call. Well, I probably got it on the... Let me see if I got it on the main page. If I got it on the credit page. Let me see. No, I got it right on the credit page, but on the page I looked at it was still wrong. So I'm sorry. But yes, we broke three rules in picking this art. One, gruesome. This is the devil... The devil head coming out of the phone. Two, We use the opening clip which pertain to the art. Because you said the phone is the devil's playground. And three, comics are a blogger. I mean we broke three rules. Devil's tool. No, it was three. Devil's tool. Let's get that right. Did you say devil's tool? Satan's tool. Satan's tool. There you go. And the third rule, we broke is comics are a blogger. We try to always stay away from his art. Yes, comics are a blogger because you hate him. I love him. What are you talking about? We usually block his art. It's always a but.

2:22:21 Where's the butt hair? We know this was an excellent piece it was a good the rule that the real rule that broke was the Gruesomeness because I try to avoid it because it I don't like the associative problem. It said it creates. It's no good Yeah for marketing here Yeah, but it's such a nice piece and it is and I every time I bring this up to anybody say it called it so cell phone Satan's tool. They all, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're right back on it. That's right. Clicking away. Hold on a second. I got a text message. Let me go back. Enlarging. Thumbing this and thumbing that. Have you ever watched women go through Instagram? I don't know. I don't know what, I don't ask what they're looking at. Well, if you see it, then they're always stopping on a picture and then they're zooming in.

2:23:13 Always zooming in. Oh, yeah. Look at that bitch. What she got over here. Hmm. Okay. Let me let me see your neck. Okay. Let me see your arms Okay, let me let me look at her ankles. They're so judgmental not all women, of course. Sorry women. Yeah Yes, there's plenty of women that don't even use the phone and they listen to this show. That's the one and talking about great women Baronetess Kelly, is that a woman? Well, I would hope so. It may actually be a dude. It's Kelly. Why would it be Baronette Tess? Oh, Baronette Tess. That would not be a dude. Hello. Oh boy. Well, I know. Maybe you can move back to California. From Sayville, New York, 433.34.

2:23:55 As we always like to thank our supporters financially, $50 and above. This is our special segment where we thank what we call and deem and credit as our executive and associate executive producers. Credits that are good anywhere, Hollywood, showbiz credits are recognized including imdb.com. $200 or above, we will read your note. $300 above, we will read your note. John and Adam, this quote has been hitting hard lately, says Baronetus Kelly. When you're dead, you don't know you're dead and the pain is felt by others. The same thing happens when you're stupid. Okay, this was a Rickard Gervais quote.

2:24:34 And she says, thank God for this show and my sanity. Oh, there you go. Also, John, do you happen to know whether to buy lamb from Australia or New Zealand, which is better quality? You're the guy with the best cooking tips. Thanks for all the value you give to me and all the best to you too. Baroness Kelly of the Longest Island. She's from Long Island, apparently. Yeah, I sent her a note. I've never had that much New Zealand lamb to say, but I can tell you this, if you're going to buy Australian lamb, which is really good quality, You buy it, you buy spring lamb, which is a kind of counterintuitive because the spring lamb from Australia comes in around November. So you can get this incredibly great spring lamb, which is usually more tender and tastier. Yeah. You want the babies, you want to kill the babies. That's the best kind of. If you can get to, yeah, well, if you want, yeah, you do. Yeah. And so, uh,

2:25:30 No, now the season's just about to end because, you know, everything's flipped and people don't realize it. Yeah, this summer. When they're buying Australian lamb in November, well, this is kind of off for not the right time of year. No, if you're buying local, no, but Australia, yes. Why not buy some lamb from America? Don't we have good lamb? Is our lamb no good here? Our lamb's good here, yeah. Yeah, well buy our lamb. Go in and buy it in the spring. Yeah, buy it in the spring and don't buy it from Australia. Australian lamb is quite good. Yeah, alright. Our lamb is best. Best, best price. I don't find any evidence of this. Alright.

2:26:10 Oh, and so that would throws it to me. Yes, it does. Which means we go to Sir Shm... Sh... Smidiotic. No, Smidiot. He even puts it in a note. Rhymes with idiot. Oh yeah, Smidiot rhymes with idiot. Shreveport, Louisiana. 350 93 Adam and John hope this note finds you well Sorry, it's been a while since I've donated better late than never. I wanted to say thank you again for informing and entertaining me six hours a week I don't I don't log into the troll room, but I always listen live, so count me in as a plus one in the troll count. To the other No Agenda listeners out there, I'd like to remind you how much you're spending on a bunch of streams and services that don't give as much value as the No Agenda show. It's time to donate. Can I get a spooky JCD donate? Better yet, John, can you do it live? Best regards, Sir Smidiot.

2:27:11 Rhymes with idiot in Shreveport, Louisiana. Do you want me to do I have the jingle? Do you want to do it live? I'm gonna do it live with the sound effect box. Okay? That's a new one, that's a new one. I'll take it John's pretty good John Siebert comes in from Auburn, California with three hundred and forty one dollars and twenty four cents Which equals three hundred eighty one thousand nine hundred and fifty eight Satoshi's he's a Bitcoin donation And it's a switcheroo for his daughter Elaine Siebert of Auburn, California

2:27:52 Let me put her name in right away, John. Make sure we don't mess that up. Okay, Elaine Switzer who done shameless plug for arcanaresin.com. A-R-C-A-N-A, arcanaresin.com. Are you looking for gift ideas for the women in your life who appreciate beautiful handcrafted items? Look no further. Go to arcanaresin, R-E-S-I-N.com. Hand-picked and preserved flowers from the Sierra foothills. Thank you for your attention to this matter. John Siebert from Auburn, California. I'm going to go take a look at that. I'm looking for a gift idea for the women in my life. I wonder what it is. Now we have another strike donation. This one here is anonymous so far and maybe we'll get a note from somebody. I didn't get anything but this is for 329.98 or 96. And in this case we can give them a double up karma. Yes we can. Here it is. You've got

2:28:49 Karma. This Arcana resin stuff is pretty cool. It's a bunch of flowers and looks like, what's that, lucite? Resin, I guess. Huh. Oh, so they put the, they take in these crazy flowers you get up in the foothills and they put them in a resin block and then you can give that to somebody as a gift? Yeah. As a decoration, table decoration? A conversation starter? Okay, yeah, this is that is a good idea idea. I like it Zane Peterson is next from Mantee, Utah by the way Thank you everybody for telling me that it is Minot Airport and not Minot. I got it Zane Peterson Mantee, Utah $312 my buddy and I took a trip to DC right before Thanksgiving This is what was left out of my trip fund Wow nice trip It never ceases to amaze me how far ahead of the curve no agenda is I gave a lot of credit to John on

2:29:47 It never ceases to amaze me the knowledge he has. Oh, I'm all on board with that. On every topic he has a story or a life experience. You guys are both absolutely fantastic, but John is definitely my favorite. Get a room, Zane. Thank you for the value you bring. Can you play Dogs Are People Too? Thanks again, Zane Peterson. Dogs are people too. And before you continue, I want to thank Holly for the beautiful one-piece flag she gave me. I forgot to mention on Sunday she came up to me in church, said they got a flag for you. Yes, and Holly's flag came to me too.

2:30:32 on the last mail pickup and I wanted to thank her myself. She's got a very, we had this, she's got a little card. And so we were passing it around, is this Helen or how do you, Holly, Holly, Holly, Holly, Holly, Holly. We finally came up with the right pronunciation of her name but it was a very nice little note. I've got three of them now so please nobody send me anymore. Stop sending them and I'm gonna fly my flag on Saturday. I'm gonna fly it. On your flagpole? On my flagpole, yes. On my flagpole, exactly. Am I up? Christopher Graves in Mount... Mount Ockham. Ockham. You know who this is. Christopher Graves? Yeah. Been donating every single week for the past couple of weeks. Well, he's in Mount Ockham. Yeah, but you'll get it. You'll get there. Okay. An 1875 inventor, he writes,

2:31:36 Daniel Peter was struggling with his candle making business as the new technologies advanced the creation of the oil lamp and threatened to make the candle obsolete. Tell that to Adam when he takes a bath. He sat across the dinner table from his neighbor Mr. Nestle who suggested he get into the chocolate business. I have a kind of an interesting clip to play as a bonus clip right after I read this note. Daniel Peter would spend a decade creating the very first milk chocolate.

2:32:13 Today, Little John's Candy, oh, I know where it is. Hello! Duh. Little John's Candy still uses Peter's milk chocolate to cover our world-famous English toffees. In the early 1900s, Peters and Nestle would open up the first American chocolate factory. So I guess you could say connection is protection. If you agree with these great men support a small business, and no agenda show, go to littlejohnscandies.com, not candles, littlejohncandies, and use the code ITM10 plus 10 and save 10% on your order and donate 10% to the best podcast in the universe. Thank you for the courage, Christopher, and the Little John elves. Don't forget, we'll always wrap gifts for you at no charge. So we ate our turkeys, our chocolate turkeys,

2:33:07 How were they? Dynamite. They were solid. You know, I thought it would be hollow like stuff you... No, they were solid. Oh, the thing weighs a ton. Yeah, and we're saving our toffees for when the kids get here. Christina and Kevin are coming, so that's what we're going to eat, our toffees. Well, which, you know, not to counter anything, I hate to play it now. No. San Francisco sues Big Food. Yes, big story. San Francisco has filed the nation's first government lawsuit against major ultra processed food makers including Coca-Cola and Nestle. Nestle? Nestle? Nestle? The city claims these companies knew their products were harming public health but continued to market them to consumers. NTD's Christina Corona has more on the story.

2:33:48 San Francisco has filed a lawsuit against 10 major makers of ultra-processed foods including Kraft Heinz, Coca-Cola, Nestle and General Mills. City Attorney David Chu says these products are addictive and harmful and claims the companies knowingly marketed them despite health risks. We're talking about food that is not food, that is not found in nature, created by combining artificial chemicals with industrialized processes. Chu says consumption of these products has created a major public health crisis with skyrocketing health care costs. The industry has created thousands of new chemicals, which the body metabolizes and craves differently.

2:34:30 and they are designed to be addictive. He said studies link ultra-processed foods to chronic illnesses including type 2 diabetes, fatty liver disease, heart disease and depression and added the impact on children has been alarming. He stated that starting in the 1960s, Big Tobacco purchased major food companies bringing over technology, marketing strategies and addiction science. They use big tobacco tactics to research, design and sell addictive products. Hold on a second. When I played a clip from Kali Means two years ago that made this claim, you went, that's bullcrap. They didn't do that. That's not how that happened. Where is that? Where's that commentary here? What's bullcrap? That they use tobacco tactics and marketing. I don't remember this clip that you're discussing. Okay.

2:35:25 They used addiction science and marketing techniques that followed the big tobacco playbook of creating the illusion and erosion of consumer choice. He stated these companies targeted children using cartoon mascots from Tony the Tiger and Fred Flintstone to Paw Patrol. These companies know their products are harming people, but they continue to design, market and profit off them, particularly at the expense of our kids. If I remember correctly, it was the context was RJR bought Nabisco and then they had their food side, their scientists go in and start making the food addictive. But I guess it's good enough for court, but not good enough for this show. I don't know.

2:36:10 I mean RJR Nabisco, it became RJR Nabisco, yes. Yeah, but anyway, it's okay. I just thought it was interesting that you pushed back very hard on it. I don't remember bitching and moaning. And I usually do. I usually remember when I complain. Okay. I'm not going to pull it up and do anything embarrassing. I won't do that. I can do it. Oh, what crap, bull crap. Good for the tobacco companies. They should go into food companies. That makes nothing but sense. At least they got to do something with their money. Yeah, that is the opposite of what you said before. Sean Homan is in Noblesville, Indiana, 2-1911, and he says, God's peace be with us all. Saint Maria Goretti, pray for us. Thank you for your courage.

2:36:59 And we go to Linda Lou Patkin already. Oh, that was quick. We're done. Yep. She's now she's in Castle Rock, Colorado. Did she move? Oh, that's interesting. I didn't notice that. Interesting jobs karma she wants give the gift of a resume that gets results go to image makers Inc comm for all your executive resume and job search needs it's Use the use it now or add it to your go bag All right, there you go yes image makers ink with a K and work with Linda Lou Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes jobs I jobs jobs and jobs

2:37:42 Well that concludes our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1822 in our 19th year of just being the best podcast in the universe. It's wonderful. Thank you. We'll be thanking the rest of our financial supporters, $50 and above, in our second segment. Again, congratulations to these executive and associate executive producers. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. I want to play this two-parter here from Nilay Patel. Remember him? He used to be on Twit a lot.

2:38:37 Yeah, Nealey, he was the editor of The Verge. I think he's still at The Verge, isn't he? Yeah, he's a... I don't like him. No, I'm not a big fan either. Yeah. In fact, the last episode I was on was with Nealey and he was telling me I was a douche. No, he called me a racist. Well, sometimes even a broken clock is right twice a day. By the way, The Verge, well known amongst developers. If you want to test out a system with as many tracking systems and ads as possible, everybody uses theverge.com. That thing, there must be 500 trackers on that website. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable. So he was talking to the CEO of IBM, Arvin

2:39:36 Krishna. Are you familiar? Yeah, nobody knows who the CEO of IBM is anymore. No, you didn't used to be the woman. What happened to her? She went away. So, you know, you retire after you cash out. So Arvind, you know, like all successful Silicon Valley companies, which IBM is far from, but I guess they brought him in like, hey, if Google's got one of these Indian guys, we should get one of these Indian guys, bring in an Indian guy. Microsoft's got an Indian guy, bring in an Indian guy. So they brought in Arvind. And here was his two-part discussion about artificial intelligence. Now they'll talk about KGI, which of course is, you know, they've muddied the waters. It used to mean artificial general intelligence, meaning it's actually smart or can think somehow and is not just a computer, you know, picking up language and hashing it out for you.

2:40:32 And that's now kind of become artificial generative intelligence, meaning it generates memes and stuff. But here he is on the expense, on the numbers. He's a numbers guy, he's IBM, he's a numbers guy, and here he is. Do you think there's an enterprise ROI that would justify the spend we have today? Because I look at it and I say, absent AGI, this spend might not be worth it. At today's costs. So let's just ground in that because anything in the future is speculative. It takes about $80 billion to fill up a one gigawatt data center. Okay, that's today's number.

2:41:09 So if you are going to commit 20 to 30 gigawatts, that's one company, that's 1.5 trillion of CapEx. And to the point we just made, you got to use it all in five years because at that point you got to throw it away and refill it, right? Then if I look at the total, these things, the total commits in the world on this space of the changing age AI seem to be like 100 gigawatts, at least announcements. That's 8 trillion of CapEx. There's no way you're going to get a return on that, is my view, because 8 trillion of CapEx means you need roughly 800 billion of profit just to pay for the interest. I love this guy with his numbers. 8 trillion of expense to build what they're talking about. Yeah, and what he left out, at least according to my son,

2:41:56 is the five-year turnaround is actually two to two and a half years. For the, you mean the chips to be renewed? Yeah, the whole thing fails in two and a half years and it breaks everybody. Wow. And that's based on what? It fails or it just is upgrades? This is just apparently the rate of improvement, chip improvement plus the failure rate of these devices. Oh, they actually fail? They fail? Two and a half years maybe. They just burn out? Full load. They just burn out? They crap out. They go on the fritz? They glitch? Fritz.

2:42:32 Now, Neal, I actually said something funny here, which is what it starts off with. Have you told Sam? Because he seems to think he can get both the Catholics and the belief. It's a belief that one company is going to be the only company that gets the entire market. I think it's fine. I mean, like they're chasing it. Some people will make money. Some people will lose money. And all the infra being built will be useful if it goes away. But if they make it. then they are the sole surviving company. I am not convinced, or rather I give it really low odds, like we're talking 0 to 1%, that the current set of known technologies gets us to AGI. That's my bigger gap. I think that this current set is great.

2:43:15 I think it's incredibly useful for the enterprise. I think it's going to unlock trillions of dollars of productivity in the enterprise. That said, I think AGI will require more technologies than the current LLM path. I think it'll require fusing knowledge with LLMs. And we have words, I'm not sure that's the only way to create knowledge. People talk about neuro-symbolic AI. But I think if I just say knowledge in a broader sense, hard knowledge that people have spent thousands of years discovering, if we can figure out a way to fuse knowledge with LLMs, maybe. Yeah. That doesn't sound very optimistic. One of our producers sent me a note and I guess he has some connection to NVIDIA and he says that my

2:44:02 discussion based on, again, my son's connections with NVIDIA since he worked there, was that they've studied this and they can't find any real productivity gains from AI. And this guy said, yeah, so we're turning up too. Yeah, no, there's none. There's no productivity gains. I try all the time. I mean, I've built stuff with it, but it always It's always the same thing. Just say like, so I was building a slide deck and I was surprised because Gemini actually created slides. I'm like, well, you know, I just wanted an outline or something. And I got slides with pictures. I'm like, this is amazing. And then I say, this is all good except slide number seven. Please replace that person with a middle-aged white woman looking very distressed.

2:45:01 And it subsequently deleted all the pictures and changed the words of everything. You go back, try it again. It cannot iterate. It's incapable of doing it. Whenever you I think that's the same with the artwork like and I'm you know I know that Darren he must try prompts over and over because you can't say change what you just did now you're gonna just change your whole prompt. Yeah, nail it and then hope for the best. You can't nail it. There's no consistency. Darren nails it a lot. Yeah, well Darren Darren is an amazing man. So on the AI tip, I was listening to Joe Rogan. He even did a Broadway tune for us in today's End of Show mix. Which is Dynamite. It sounds like a Broadway tune. It does. It's for the No Agenda the musical, soon to take over all of Broadway. Yeah, pack him in. So Joe Rogan was being interviewed. It doesn't happen often, but he does them from time to time. And Joe, of course, is good friends with Elon, so he believes... I think Joe really believes in AI.

2:46:04 But he's also been going to church and he's been exploring Jesus and his faith, which he's talked about quite openly. And this is the frightening conclusion and result of those two things. So if you're gonna get the most brilliant, loving, powerful person that gives us advice and can show us how to live to be in sync with God, Who better than artificial intelligence to do that? Wow, if Jesus does return Even if Jesus was a physical person in the past You don't think that he could return as artificial intelligence Oh my artificial intelligence could absolutely return as Jesus not just return as Jesus but return as Jesus with all the powers of Jesus

2:46:53 Mmm, like all the magic tricks all the ability to bring people back from the dead walk on water levitation, okay? Borobin the colossus collage a four bin project, but no he actually says something different Which it I'm only hearing this now listen to what I thought he was saying is If Jesus would come back, he could come back as artificial intelligence. He actually says this. Who better than artificial intelligence to do that? Wow. If Jesus does return, even if Jesus was a physical person in the past, you don't think that he could return as artificial intelligence? Yeah, he kind of messes it up there. Then he talks about some magic tricks. So the only thing I would say is, if God could talk to Balaam through a donkey, yeah, it's possible.

2:47:44 But I wouldn't bet on it, not be very careful people thinking they discovered Jesus through their AI. Antichrist awaits! Apparently, is perplexity sponsoring Joe's show? I think I just saw that come by in the troll room. I didn't know this, if it's true. I don't think they sponsor anything. Well, I think I just saw that pass by in the troll room. And the trolls have been on point today, so maybe right. Anyway, I got to talk to Joe. Oh man, boy oh boy. I see you got the same stories I did about Australia and the kids.

2:48:28 I had, well they're banned. My story, well yes, but I thought mine had a kicker. Okay. I don't know if yours does. No, I'll play yours and if it doesn't kick the way mine does. The ban comes into place on December 10 and all four children under 16 Stop they put a ban in place on all social media in Australia. No, no Well, wait, let me finish and so now they're gonna require age verification all this stuff just the ban is we're never gonna do the ban is 16 and Under that's the ban. Not. Yeah, it's a ban. It's a ban on all social media. It's a ban 16 years and under

2:49:08 Yeah. It's an important distinction. You said a ban on all social media. Yeah, well you never let me finish. You interrupted me with a no no no. So, but there's a ban on social media with an age limit and but there's a kicker. Okay, which the bad? Comes into place on December 10 and all forced children under 16 off Facebook Instagram snapchat Everything tik-tok X threads reddit twitch kick even YouTube Santa 16s won't be able to be on YouTube, but there is a social media site they can still use the

2:49:46 leftist lunatic asylum called Blue Sky is not covered under the ban, Adam. And even Dr Nick Coatsworth, hardly a right-wing reactionary, is asking why. I mean this just is incredible that This is being allowed to happen, that the coalition together with Labor and this was a coalition policy, this was what appeared to be done. Yes, exactly, exactly. Sort of genius ideas, but they can't see the unintended consequences of limiting people's access to information. Yeah, well obviously blue sky is very pro-left generally so that just shows that this is a political, you know, the rationale behind this is actually political in part. They don't like children getting access to certain

2:50:27 I don't think it's about images so much because I think I was reading recently they can still get to various pornographic websites Well, let me say this about that blue sky You could argue that it's on equal footing with Mastodon Yes, which also is not banned Wow, holy crap Christina is texting me She says, oh dad, you have no idea what everybody just received in the mail. I'm going to try and translate this on the fly. My newsletter? It's an official government brochure. It has a family on the front. It's drawn with a dog looking kind of sad and a kid putting cans into a box. And it says, save me in a safe place.

2:51:24 Be prepared for an emergency situation and it says I'm looking at You need to prepare for an emergency that could last up to 72 hours Because the electricity could go out. What would you do if the electricity went out for 72 hours? Isn't this interesting? This happens right when they cancel all the Russian gas contracts. And this is crazy.

2:52:01 What will you do, and get your go bag? Oh yeah, go bag in here. Oh yeah, what do you need? You need food, hygiene, they got some candles here, something to keep warm, flashlight. Candles? They have candles. You need candles, toothbrush, a radio with batteries, good luck. Wow, wow, this is nuts. I gotta get her out of there. I've got to. I don't think it's because of the Russian gasses, it's because of the Jews who are retaliating against them being cut out of the Eurovision Song Contest. It's the Jews, man! It's the Jews! I think you're right. Yeah, I think you're right. Spot on.

2:52:50 Well, in America, we're not worried about things like that. We don't have young people worrying about 72 hours without electricity. No, we have things that they need to worry about like, did I lose my prop bet? In tonight's Eye on America, we're looking at a form of online betting that's rapidly growing in popularity. That's market trading with predictions where you can invest in the outcome of real world events. Invest. Senior business and tech correspondent, Joel Lincoln, looks at the risks. Joel Holsinger just quit his day job to bet on anything. Like if Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell will say the word pardon in a press conference. Our thinking was, wait, pardon me. Yes, let's go, let's go, that's pardon me. I streamed and watched the speech live. Powell coughed and said pardon me and you know I made $500.

2:53:39 From his computer, the 26-year-old says he makes about $3,000 a week trading on the prediction market, Kelshi. Kelshi lets you legally trade on anything, anywhere in the U.S. Thanks to companies like Kelshi, Polymarket, and Predictit, betting on anything from elections to Taylor Swift has never been easier. Man, I had no idea it was like this. Oh yeah, and some of the brokerage companies, like Interactive for example, has opened up a system that does this. Interactive Brokers. So you can bet on whether the prime, I don't know if they have the prop bets like that, because that's pretty specific, but they have the bets that you bet on whether the interest rates next week's meeting is going to be dropped .25 or not. It's like you bet a dollar, you win 10 cents.

2:54:28 If if you think it's gonna be dropped everyone is one to ten is one to ten for that particular bet yeah, okay? Huh, I gotta get it, but if you don't if it doesn't get dropped you get you bet one Yeah, I think you make like a buck fifty or on top of the one so get some two dollars plus two dollars plus something No, this is ridiculous. This is gambling It's just like, I remember when I was in college, there was this group of veteran gamblers who had, they just lived together, they were betting on everything. We went out with a group of them, and these guys, they were degenerates. And it was like, you go in their place, they had a sign over the fireplace that says, God is unemployed. That was the theme of the place.

2:55:12 One guy had to get I swear one guy had to get his jacket and in the while they were waiting for him to come back with his jacket the two guys are flipping quarters to see who you know heads 10 okay here's your court and their gant they couldn't they were just gambled there they're horrible it's just a terrible thing to be addicted to I mean this is unbelievable and in fact this encourages should be illegal well they have the CEO on the show what is a prediction market so a prediction market is It's like the stock market, but instead of buying and selling companies, you're buying yes or no on whether something is going to happen or not. Tarek Mansour and Luana Lopez Lara are the co-founders of Kelshi. People can make money on what they know, actually monetize their knowledge, monetize their hobby. Kelshi's users trade an average of a billion dollars a week, banking heavily on sports.

2:56:04 You can bet on things that a traditional sports book would offer you which is a concern for author Jonathan Cohen who has chronicled the rise of sports betting in the US. So you think this is just gambling? Yes. But Cal-She is not regulated like gambling and several states have sued alleging the platform offers unlawful sports wagering. And unlike most sports betting sites, users can also bet on games in other financial apps, which hold investments like retirement accounts. In the same app that you use to manage your 401k or your stock portfolio, you can like bet on the Jets game. Creating more risk that some bettors could drain those savings. That friction is gone. You can gamble on sports.

2:56:49 and you can gamble away your life savings. And while federal regulations on prediction markets are rapidly evolving, both Kelshi and its main competitor, PolyMarket, have brought on a new strategic advisor, the president's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr. Does he come to meetings? How much do you pay him? What's his role? I mean, this is the son of the president. We have a lot of advisors, and whether it's our investors, whether it's people that we trust and respect. But he's not just any advisor. He has a direct line to the White House. We have a lot of advisors. While Kelshi's CEO did not answer that question, one thing is clear. Kelshi believes the popularity of online betting is just kicking off. Well, here's what I learned. We need to become advisors, and the Curry-Dvorak advisory group

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3:05:38 And I get real people and John practices his AI prompting which he's doing on the free tier of 11 labs Which yeah, it's always the same guy with whatever. No, I got a new person. Whatever Marty came up with Oh, John, you know Marty has the right these right? Here's mine, too I've lost faith in Wall Street. That's no good. How about this one? They have large wieners. Yeah, that's a good way to have large wieners That's my end of show I so idea Kind of like the second one. Yes, they have large wieners Okay, let's go I have to get a new person yeah, I never used this this voice before okay sizzled that show sizzled She's a good combo with large wieners

3:06:29 That show sizzled. They have large wieners. Let's hear your other one just in case. Too long? Good show, but too long. No, I think we have a winner here. I think that show sizzled. They have large wieners. Yeah, baby, that's who we're going with. Hey, but first it's time for John's tip of the day. This is an obscure tip for you Connoisseurs of champagne a lot of people don't know this. Oh, I love sham. I love the bubbly man I love the bubbly on every bottle of champagne. There's a code two-letter code that tells you what kind of champagne it really is Oh

3:07:21 And it appears usually at the very bottom of the label and it's in like two-point type. And it consists of two letters, usually a number and then some, you know, name, anything can follow that. But these two letters are the important part. These two letters are, for example, there's a bunch of them. I think there's eight different ones that are possible. There's only two or three that are important to know. If it says, because everyone's talking about it, maybe this is the tip of the day really, is grower's champagne. Grower's champagne is always touted as, ugh. Grower's champagne is the champagne made by the grower who grew the grapes makes the wine.

3:08:07 This is not usual. Most champagnes are made by a large manufacturing company like Bollinger and they buy, they have these contracts with all these growers and they get all the champagne grapes and they have a superstar winemaker and they make a really good product. It should always cost more for that wine than it does for the grower champagne. Grower champagne should be cheaper. Oh, I always thought the grower champagne was more exclusive. It's more exclusive in smaller quantities, but it should be cheaper. And anyone who's marking, but some of these guys, these importers will mark it up. But grower champagne is generally cheaper and should be. And here's how you can tell, with the little two letters at the bottom of the champagne bottle, you'll see, it's either gonna say NM or RM.

3:08:56 This is two letters and the NM means the go-siant manipulant, that means the guy who bought the grapes and made the wine. RM is a recoltant manipulant and that's the guy who harvested, recoltant, that means the harvester. So he grew the grapes. So you look for RM, you see RM at the bottom, that means it's a grower's champagne, which is everyone touts. Oh, grower's champagne. Well, now I'm confused. It's hard to be as good as Bollinger, but some of them are the chief. They have different flavor. They're just slightly, they're more authentic. Let's put it that way. Okay. So now I have a question. So just to read it, RM is the grower's champagne.

3:09:42 Right? Recoltant, manipulant, yes. Yeah, okay, so Romeo Mike. Because... Romeo Mike. So what I'd like to do is say, you know... This has RM on it. This is a grower's champagne. Yeah, you could do that. This is the source of the Bollinger. This is right from the guy's hands. No, Bollinger is never going to be a grower's champagne. Bollinger is an M. No, no, no. I said this is the source. Oh, yeah, you could say that. It's the source. The guy's wife stomped the grapes with his bare feet. You're going to love this champagne. You could do that, yeah, if you were a sommelier and wanted to bullshit somebody. I'm a BS. I'm a bullshit sommelier. Now the other, just for the record, there's six other designations and one of it contains the letter C. They're CM and RC. C means it's a co-op wine. Oh, this is like cheap jack. It's like Andres. No, see the thing is about co-op wines in France, they're usually really good.

3:10:39 They have a really good one, you just only like co-op stuff here in the United States. The French are very dedicated to this communist country. Oh, there you go. And they love the co-op stuff. And so they make a co-op wine, it had different labels on it and they put, you know, it could be anybody's product. So they look for the co-op wines, those are usually really cheap. And then there's one you should look for which is a, like if you bought a Costco, it says Costco Kirkland Champagne, it'd probably have the, The letters M A. which means it's just a marketing. Who should we boost as marketing? It's not their anything. Who knows who made it. They just put their label on it. It's just a white label. White label stuff. Yeah, and it means mark the sales company. Mark the acheteur, the sales guy. So it's a sales product. It says champagne marketed by a third party. Now, you look up champagne codes in Google and you'll get the whole list and you can see what you're doing.

3:11:38 have some knowledge. This is the only area in France that does this little code and it's very valuable. And can you just tell us what code you think is the best? Well, I like the grower champagnes. So I would go with the RM because it's cheaper, generally cheaper. I mean, you can get the superstar products are usually very expensive, but RM should be cheaper. I've seen them as cheap. You can get $30 champagne. With RM as you get to go to the right event I would say this is a very valuable tip for those of you who stayed all the way through the program Congratulations, you have been informed get informed at tip of the day dotnet And sometimes Adam created by Dana Brunetti

3:12:35 I love those tips John. Are you gonna do the knife soon? People want the knife. The knife's coming. The knives are harder than you think. No, I'm but I'm ready. I'm ready to buy. I want a good knife. Okay, next tip of the day will be the knife. Alright, knife is coming. What is coming next on your No Agenda stream is a walk through the mind. I don't even know this show, a walk through the mind. Okay, I'll stay and listen. and end of show mixes from MVP, B-dubs, and the one and only Baron Derrano of the rock and roll. So stay tuned for that, everybody. It's gonna be fantastic. And of course, we will return on Sunday

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