15:37 They may be the worst of the group. They've gotten worse, they're worse than CBS. Well it should all change. Let's do Barry Weiss because that's, you know, we talked about it when it was rumored and of course now the rumor appears to be true that Sky Dance has purchased Barry's news outfit, her substack. I had a lunch with a friend of mine, ex-Buffer Wiley's friend, I haven't seen him for a decade, he used to be at the Wall Street Journal, an entrepreneurial guy, and he's bitching about this. And I have to harken back to some of the things I witnessed when I was at Ziff Davis with some of these companies. And the fact that they bought a, I don't know,
16:22 which is basically a blog, the Barry Weiss Free Press. No, it's worse, it's a sub-stack. It's actually on someone else's platform. It's basically a blog, well, it's a blog on a blogging platform. There you go, there you go. And so, and I can't fault sub-stack. I mean, I do a sub-stack thing and they do a good job of getting their stuff shipped. And so they spent 150 million bucks, but I don't believe it for a minute. My thinking is the following. We need to get you over to CBS, Barry. So what we're going to do is we're going to buy you out and we... Well, okay, you can buy me out. How much do you think I can get here? Well, you know, we can give you a couple million. That would be reasonable. Okay, but can we do a deal here and you can make... Can we both make a joint announcement that's 150 million? Oh, maybe she got some stock.
17:18 No, she didn't get any, she didn't get 150 million. And so, in stock or anything. And so, although you could do some stock, you know, some kind of a scammish stock thing, you know that. And so, okay, let's make that announcement. So this friend of mine, Says you can't use a public company. You can't do that and then my thing it was look Have you ever seen for example just the ditch? I don't know that people out there get a copy of this the Disney for the for example the Disney org chart with the thousands and thousands and thousands of little elements that are involved you don't think you can't hide a
18:00 a couple million dollar transaction and then put something somewhere else and make it look like you actually bought it for 150. It's just creative bookkeeping. So I don't believe for a second she got $150 million. Has there been any official announcement that it was $150 million? Yeah, it was announced over a couple of times. They both said it was. Now whether that, I didn't see it on the, it wasn't announced on a, a 4K or anything that I know of, but it's maybe if it was in a 4K, I'd believe it, but I don't see that. But this is Skydance, not Disney. Is Skydance popular? No, I'm just saying, no, I'm just... Paramount has the same. I was just making the point that if you look at the org chart of these giant corporations, and Disney being the best example, you can hide it. Yeah. Yeah. Put it under talent acquisition.
18:56 Or you could put it under any, it doesn't matter. The whole thing is just that you can't find it. You can't find these numbers. So you can say you spent $150 million and you gave her a couple mil, maybe, and then she's off now doing this stuff over, she'll be editor-in-chief. And this is another little ditty that I noticed. And the editor, editor in chief, that is a publisher's position. There is no editor in chief at a news organization on TV. There's editorial directors. There's, there's chief, you know, there's all kinds of chief of this and chief of that. Or you can be the, well, hold on, hold on. This is an important point. If she's editor in chief, she may be editor in chief of the blog.
19:44 Well, she's still always going to be that. She said that. But that's my point. They specifically said Editor-in-Chief of CBS News. Okay. Editor-in-Chief of CBS News, which is a meaningless title in the television news business. So she actually won't be running the television news division. How about that? I don't think she's going to be running it at all because she's not even going to be... the reporting system is off. But I think she's going to have some influence, but I don't think it's going to be meaningful. And I think I sent you a... I don't have a clip from it, but I sent you because it's so... you know, we're talking about Glenn Greenwald, who's a little wordy to say that you mean Mr. Wordy. Oh, he hates Barry Weiss. He doesn't like Barry Weiss at all. He hates him.
20:34 And he says on his Rumble channel, he says that she's just a pro-Israel, anti-woke... Hey, Pat, chill! Chill! Chill, who doesn't... She's no different than anybody else that's working in media, period. She's not gonna shake things up. I think she's just in charge of the CBS News blog. I think that the title is correct. Well, that's a possibility too. But let's listen to these clips. All right. This is MPR? NPR. Minnesota Public Re... No, it's NPR. I put NPR because I made a mistake and I just copied it over. That's no problem. CBS News is expecting to get a new editor-in-chief. Barry Weiss, the founder of the Free Press, which she started as a response to mainstream news outlets like her former employer, The New York Times.
21:31 With that move, CBS seems to be taking another step to appeal to the right. And the parent company is also acquiring Barry Weiss's publication. NPR's David Fulkenflik is here to discuss all of this. Hi there, David. Good morning, Steve. For those who don't know, who is Barry Weiss? So, Barry Weiss is a writer and editor. She started out writing for Tablet, a publication about Jewish affairs. She wrote about opinion in books and also edited at the Wall Street Journal for its opinions. pages and she enjoyed the opinion pages of the New York Times as sort of a right-of-center contrarian, made a name for herself, wrote increasingly under her own name, and then left with a huge blast in July 2020. It's sort of the peak of the social justice movement. She accused her colleagues in a letter she posted publicly that she sent to the publisher of the New York Times, AG Salzberger, she accused her colleagues of
22:19 bullying her and creating essentially an illiberal atmosphere, unwilling to tolerate debate and dissent in what she said was the smothering culture there, and created the free press kind of in opposition to that as a home for people right of center who saw the press, the media writ large as being reflexively somewhat liberal. Somewhat. Just a tad. Just a little bit liberal. Mm-hmm. Okay. You know the funny thing is I don't have this clip either. I got enough if you notice I have enough clips. Yeah, you got 29 clips. You're over clipped? So she had a little ditty, it was on Twitter, she went on and on about how, what's happening. And again, wordy, she's just like Greenwald, you can't, yuck, yuck, yuck. She says, and so we have our, and she calls her, the group of people that do writing for the Free Press, that blog, she calls them a band of misfits.
23:18 She used the term misfits to describe her staff. I thought that was like, personally, if I was writing for her and I was, you know, in other words, I can't get work, I have to work for you. I mean, I thought it was an insult, a high insult that she just casually, you know, blathered off. I was offended and I didn't even work there. Hey, she's got $150 million on paper. Literally paper. So, it's called F-U money, baby. F-U money. You do whatever you want. Yeah, I get it. I'd be like that too. Yeah, well there you have it. Just go onward. And she gained a lot from that departure in the end. Built up a brand new organization, built up a big subscriber base, attracted a lot of deep pocketed investors and now moves to a mainstream media organization. But what exactly will she do there?
24:13 Well, it's a question I'm told by folks inside the network that it's kind of fluid, but she's editor-in-chief. She certainly will be able to have almost whatever remit she wants. People aren't expecting her to take command of logistics, deploying people to cover a war or a hurricane or something. She doesn't have experience in that kind of complicated calibration and moves. But I think she's going to be working with Tom Sabrowski, who's staying on as the president of CBS News, to kind of set the tone to figure out the scope of coverage, the nature of coverage, the tenor of coverage. You know, she can have a finger in every pie. She's still going to be running the Free Press, which is this right of center publication that will still have its brand separate from CBS News. But, you know, that's the question that I'm hearing from folks inside. They're like, is this going to be that she's bringing a contrarian voice?
24:58 Or is she somehow, you know, as part of the discussion of how coverage is set? Or she's somehow going to be more of an ideological enforcer at a time where there has been reaction to the press and criticism of it from the White House and other quarters. And tremendous pressure on CBS specifically. Yes, there's a lot of pressure. She has 1.7 million subscribers. I'm not sure how many of those are paying subscribers. About every 10 posts is a subscriber post only. So she could conceivably be doing several hundred thousand dollars a month, you know, 10x that. You know, but I see where they can, Silicon Valley-wise, calculate some value.
25:40 No. No, just no. No, it's not true. You heard it here first. It's not true. It will come out. It will never come out. These things never come out. These are all private deals or they're hidden. swept under the rug who knows no But it's beside the point is just a you know splash to make did to make a lot of noise Oh look at what you can do. I think I should start one, too So you did the Oasis I wait you're waiting for the call yes millions sky dance I'm waiting for your call So here we go with the end of this. This does raise an interesting question because you can have opinions about the news, but then you have an institution with many hundreds of employees around the world and the question of how they deploy themselves, how they cover it, how you work the mechanics of that, that can matter as much as your outside opinion of what's going on. That's right.
26:34 I think that the real question is going to be how Weiss sees herself. Is she seeing herself as a change agent or a disruption agent in the model of Elon Musk in the early Doge weeks of the Trump administration? Or is she seeing herself as an important and defining voice for CBS but an institution worth preserving with, you know, major tentpoles like 60 Minutes? that have been so defining for American broadcast journalism for so many decades. And so I think inside CBS there's a willingness to entertain a different way of thinking about the news and also an apprehension about are they ultimately going to be adhering to the same set of values even if it's interpreted in slightly different ways. Hmm, both the openness and the apprehension, very interesting. David, thanks. Very, very interesting. That's NPR media correspondent David Fulmer. Very, very interesting.