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00:00 Oh, now you've connected the dots. Adam Curry John C. Dvorak It's Sunday July 27th 2025 This is your award winning Gilmore Nation Media assassination episode 1785 This is no agenda And we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas snow country here in FEMA region number 6 In The Morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I'm fogged in! I'm John C. Dvorak It's Crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning! Yeah, must be July in San Francisco. In our Bay Area it's foggy. I wake up and it's foggy... cold Oh boy And you know, it has been one of the mildest summers I've ever witnessed in Hill Country Or in Texas in general Global warming! In Texas in general, just really, its been nice Its been really really nice So I wasn't able to get a clip

01:00 Because no one had anything it started just before we came Before we got on the air live. We have a deal! We have a deal, you get a huge deal Did you hear about the huge deal? Well I heard that About an hour ago Trump said...I saw the live press conference and he said we should have a deal in half an hour Mm-hmm. I don't know why they had to wait half an hour what was gonna change? Because they were inking the deal So it looks like, I think Queen Ursula folded and we got ourselves a deal between the European Union and the United States. And President Trump looks very happy but it was kind of telegraphed already Did you see anything of the European Union-China summit? I saw none of it Wow! All of a sudden Queen Ursula is sounding like President Trump A few figures

02:06 Today, the European Union accounts for an impressive 14.5% of China's total exports yet China only represents 8% of our exports. These numbers speak to the scale of our relationship but they also expose a growing unbalance it is mostly due to increasing number of trade distortions and market access barriers But unlike other major markets, Europe keeps its market open to Chinese goods. This reflects our long-standing commitment to rules based trade. However this openness is not matched by China. The European Union's trade deficit with China has doubled

02:50 in the last decade reaching more than 300 billion euros by now. We have reached a clear inflection point as we said to the Chinese leadership for trade to remain mutual beneficial it must become more balanced Europe welcomes competition, we like competition but competition has to be fair pretty much the same problem we had Well, it's about time they figured it out. And this was even more interesting... What did she wave around as the only other option if China doesn't return to rules-based trade?

03:34 Yeah, everything is play fair. Please play fair. Oh well she brought out the T word. The need to rebalance our relationship is even more urgent in today's context of the global rise of tariffs as two of the world's largest economy. The European Union and China share a responsibility to uphold and reform the global trading system so we can keep it open fair and grounded on rules. This responsibility also extends to upholding international norms, rules and institutions and this is why we raised the critical issue of China's support for Russia's war progression against Ukraine. This has a direct and dangerous impact on Europe security and we expressed together our expectations that China would follow up on our concerns

04:26 and the expectation that it would use its influence to bring Russia to accept a ceasefire, come to the negotiation table enter peace talks and put an end to the bloodshed. How China continues to interact with Putin's war will be a determining factor for our relations going forward." So the way I see it China went no... And then she went okay We'll just do business with the United States then. Seems pretty simple to me Well China, this is gonna catch up to them eventually Yeah They've gotten away with it I mean the Chinese even knew this because they had talked about turning inward a Chinese technique usual technique of What does that mean? What does that mean turning inward? Create their own market and just sell to themselves Isn't that illegal

05:25 Just kidding. What? I'm just kidding. Yeah, sell to them and then they're going to sell their own stupid solar panels to themselves? All right good that's what they have too much of you know they've subsidized all this stuff Their whole system is based on overproduction yeah yeah and dumping it cheap on other countries like the EU So I think a big part of this deal was Europe, surprise surprise. Europe is going to spend a lot of their 700 billion euros earmarked for weapons on US weapons. What are the chances?

06:12 What are the chances? Yeah, well that's all we... what else do we do. No! We sell agricultural products, we sell that and they weren't buying that either. Well apparently they're going to start buying something. Supposedly. Give them our GMO corn let's send him that. Well we can send him GMO corn or a lousy wheat uh all the poisonous stuff we grow yeah give it send it to So the president is in Scotland today and the Scottish are out protesting, at least that's what the M5M is showing us. And what's really interesting I watched

06:50 probably 20-25 minutes of man on the street interviews with, and these are not organized protests. These are really you know they're handmade signs poorly made handmade signs like just like can they not even draw properly there? And what's interesting is they just hate Trump! They say well we don't like what he's doing... No one says what he's doing They just hate him. Listen to this! I'm very much against everything that Trump stands for and what he's doing in America so, I want people to know the Americans know that we are very much pro them their democracy but we really want the lies, the falsehoods, the racism, the fascism to stop So thats why were all... The racism and the fascism? Huh?! No, talking points..I have some clips too i wanna get to

07:45 The race the talk and which are from NPR, which will back up your clips But they these are just American talking points. These are setups that this is not real This is bullcrap they put a Soros or somebody pay some people to stand around if they say themselves as 100 people Oh noes it's a small crowd but It's the same thing as No King's Day basically where everyone was just standing around saying no king well What's the problem? We just don't want a king There's nothing, there is no content. So that why we're all demonstrating today He shouldn't be here you know? We shouldn't give him air time You know somebody like that who has those standards I don't think should be welcome in this country I'm here just to show my support for the people who think the same way as me and basically

08:36 I'm just here for the other people who are here have no message. ...to test everything Donald Trump stands for and you sometimes wonder if, you know, protest works and people listen to it but that's the only tool that we have for democracy and to show our dislike of Donald Trump basically... Shut up! Let them talk. What are you going blah, blah for? Because that's blah, blah, blah she is not saying anything That's the point That's the point. There's one last guy here who makes tries to make a point I'm pretty much I'm an immigrant myself, I've come from Italy here to Scotland and I stand pretty much against everything that does and I think Scotland should reject Trump in a strong way because

09:37 just to send a signal that the majority of the people in the world don't agree with what he's doing, in terms of like genocide in Palestine and treatment of immigrants in the US. Alright so Trump is genociding Israel or something like that and the immigrants... And actually the president brought two messages the minute he got off the plane Probably both are being celebrated by the people not holding the signs. You got to get your act together. And we, you know as you know last month we had nobody entering our country nobody shut it down and we took out a lot of bad people that got there with Biden. Biden was total stiff and what he allowed to happen but you're allowing it to happen to your countries then you gotta stop this horrible invasion thats happening to Europe many countries in Europe some people some leaders have not let it happen

10:40 Or ban. And they're not getting the proper credit, I could name them to you right now but i'm not gonna embarrass the other ones. But stop this immigration is killing Europe and the other thing stop the windmills killing the beauty of your country thank you very much everybody! Stop the windmills That's what they focused on PBS. The windmills? Really? Yeah, well the EU is still all in on the green energy transition What do you have for me? Before you go there I got these clips of Trump in Scotland. Okay yeah let's do it

11:19 First of all, there's the overview clip we can play or not play which is Trump and Scotland NPR which is just their general clip. It doesn't have the good stuff. We need an overview just for prosperity. President Trump is in Scotland this weekend visiting his gulf resorts and meeting with British and European leaders a major security operation is underway for his visit with officers around the UK brought in to support Scottish police But some locals are concerned about the scale and cost of the operation. NPR's Fadimeh Al-Qassab reports. President Trump's visit to his golf courses on opposite sides of the country has prompted a major police operation around Scotland, which is expected to cost Scottish taxpayers millions of dollars. Kerry Walsh from Glasgow says she is not sure it's worth it

12:08 So much is being spent on him being here and I don't know what the benefit of him being here is, if I'm honest. The Scottish Police Union says resources are stretched and it may take officers much longer to respond to other incidents over the weekend as a result. Protesters are planning what they're calling a festival of resistance to the President's visit Oh well that's what we heard! A festival of resistance? That's almost a show title They're playing into the stereotype of the Scots being cheap bastards. With what? Oh, they're worried about their price! Oh it's so expensive... I thought that was kind of a- Now we have- We might as well play this Scott uh, we have Scott Simon. How could i not be ready for that?! I don't know how is beyond me. I don't even know where here he is I need to- Suffer and suck attach! I'm scott

13:05 Simon. President Trump is- So this is from the weekend show Up First, but I have it down here as The First And the clip, there's three clips here which has a punchline. The first NPR Trump in Scotland hit piece. In Scotland the home country of his late mother President Trump will be playing golf promoting the golf resorts he owns there and meeting with British and European leaders but questions about other things have followed him there. Gaza at the Federal Reserve His dead former friend, the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Wow! And there are protests... Wow his dead former friend wow uh is that good?

13:51 That is good. His dead former friend, the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein And there are protesters! And Pierce Lauren Frayer is at a demonstration in Edinburgh joins us from there. Lauren thanks for being with us Thanks for having me Scott What kind of welcome is the president receiving in Scotland? Well I'm outside the US consulate in Edinburgh where several hundred people gathered today There are Scottish bagpipers one of them is holding a sign that says At least this bag of hot air serves a purpose There are Palestinian flags over the crowd. I also see a sign that says Scotland is already great, a reference to making anything great again. Protest organizers here call this a festival of resistance. Here's protester Niamh Convin-Smith. Why on earth is this convicted

14:36 fifth People here say they're motivated by Trump's climate policy. In fact, some climate protesters actually abseiled belayed themselves on ropes down off a bridge here last night Others say they're protesting US policy in the Middle East Many Scots are also angry at the cost to taxpayers of Trump's visit here and there are even a few Jeffrey Epstein posters in the mix here Yeah Some of the headlines were Convicted Felon Visits Scotland

15:17 Oh those British tabloids. It's unbelievable, this is the kind of hit piece it's not news at all it's just a hit piece and it gets worse but it doesn't get to the third clip which is their real killer showing that they're there just they can't even do a good report this is the first NPR Trump in Scotland too. A topic that the president might have hoped to leave on his side of the Atlantic I should think But it's one of the things that the traveling press asked him about moments after Air Force One touched down here last night. Trump denied ever being briefed that his name might be in the Epstein files, he said he has the power to pardon Epstein's ex Ghislaine Maxwell who is in prison but that he hasn't thought about doing that and he said if you're gonna talk about Epstein

15:57 Talk about all of his friends, talk about the hedge fund guys that were with him all the time. Don't talk about Trump." So Trump was dodging questions about Epstein here but it's not just the media talking about this Scottish protesters stealthily put up a sign outside one of Trump's golf resorts here this week that says quote twinned with Epsteen Island The president does have deep family ties to Scotland as we mentioned His late mother was born and raised there Do Scots like to consider him a native son? Yeah, I mean his mother was born on the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides Islands. A place that Trump wants on a visit called Serious Scotland and her first language was actually Gaelic. Trump has long owned golf resorts here so Scots have been well acquainted with him for a long time even before he became president. Trump says he loves Scotland but he's also

16:47 been critical of its environment policy for example he's called for the country to scrap what he calls windmills and renewable energy wind turbines. He considers them an eyesore, he's called on Scotland to double down on energy from fossil fuels instead. Oh man! Of course Scotland has a huge supply of fossil fuels off their coast yes It's called gas. I mean, it's a monster source and they do all this put up some windmills. It's pretty funny. And ruin the seascape! Ruin is so bad. So we go to this last clip which shows the kind of crappy reporting they're doing on NPR even though they run commercial after commercial...I have a couple of them on here about their needing more money This is the first Trump-Scott 3 WTF clip

17:37 And when you see if you can hear the slant, the way they slant a conclusion. Here's an Edinburgh bartender I spoke with Cam Page. The first thing that I saw going on about was the windmills and all that. It is a bit weird though. First thing he does when he comes here is just moaning in complaint He kind of just wants Trump to butt out his country's energy policy. He never said that He never said that. At the very end she makes up a conclusion the guy never said If the guy said he wants Trump to butt out of his energy policies, why doesn't... She has the guy on tape Why didn't she play that instead of saying it herself? Well she has to justify her reason for existence in Scotland on this trip On this gambit

18:28 So you got it goes to find yet. They said the bartender I saw I started clipping and I said, oh but did bartender will be down-to-earth joke around he says eyes You know he didn't say anything other than what do you expect from a bartender? And then she makes up a conclusion Oh It's unbelievable NPR we should defund them. Oh wait We already did yeah I since were on the on these guys the playing of Play a couple of these clips. This is the way the show starts, this clip is the first NPR Scott and Alicia.

19:08 He's teamed up, he only works on the weekends makes $400,000 plus a year. That really bothers you doesn't it? We only work two days a week we just don't make his kind of money but you know we have the same basic deal. No everybody at NPR makes 400 thousand a year and so they team him up with Alicia that would the black woman who just this creature And it must, I think they did it to torture him to be honest about it because he's so you know kind of... Old school broadcaster, but let's listen to this. Here is the classic opening. President Trump is in Scotland But it can't escape questions about Jeffrey Epstein You're making a very big thing over something that's not a big thing I'm Aisha Roscoe And I am Scott Simon and this up first from NPR News Trump and his allies call it Alligator Alcatraz The immigration detention center in Florida Everglades Now people being held there say guards are abusive That chicken sauce would have gone

19:08 He's teamed up, he only works on the weekends makes $400,000 plus a year. That really bothers you doesn't it? We only work two days a week we just don't make his kind of money but you know we have the same basic deal. No everybody at NPR makes 400 thousand a year and so they team him up with Alicia that would the black woman who just this creature And it must, I think they did it to torture him to be honest about it because he's so you know kind of... Old school broadcaster, but let's listen to this. Here is the classic opening. President Trump is in Scotland But it can't escape questions about Jeffrey Epstein You're making a very big thing over something that's not a big thing I'm Aisha Roscoe And I am Scott Simon and this up first from NPR News Trump and his allies call it Alligator Alcatraz The immigration detention center in Florida Everglades Now people being held there say guards are abusive That chicken sauce would have gone

20:08 I was in the sunlight from 1 o'clock to like 7 o'clock in the evening. This is unhuman! What do officials say about these allegations? Also there's anxiety about where the economy is headed for sure but the stock market is hitting record highs, why? Stay with us we'll have news you need on this weekend Well edited. Oh man, they got some expensive editing going on over there. They make more money than typical radio. This is upfront NPR credits! And that's Up First for July 26, 2025 I'm Aisha Roscoe and I'm Scott Simon Today's podcast was produced by the discerning and astute... Wait why is he laughing?

21:01 Is he laughing because it was produced? He's laughing because he knows what they're paying. And I'm Scott Simon, todays podcast was produced by the discerning and astute Elena Turek with help from Fernando Naro who possesses a piercing mind Do not face off with them during a trivia night. They will wipe the floor with you! Our editors are the fantastic four, Susanna Capaluto, Pahlavi Gagoy, Jacob Benston and Melissa Gray Maybe they're the fab four it's hard to tell because they're certainly here there and everywhere Okay Scott tell us who else is fab?

21:38 I agree, that was a little creepy. David Greenberg our technical director and our engineering support comes from Zoe Vankenhoven Tom Marchito and Zach Coleman Andy Craig is our director which he does with the fluid effort of a master He makes it look easy but it's not Which is why we have bosses. Shannon Rhodes, our acting senior supervising editor She's not just acting she's commanding Evie Stone our executive producer very commanding Jim Kane our deputy managing editor He's... he's our very own Jean-Luc Picard When he says make it so So we do it Well that was very bizarre Did they have to fill time?

22:19 I guess so. It's only a half hour show and they couldn't fill it, but the people producing that show... how many was that? 15. Oh, I counted 14. No, 15. 15 plus the two of them! That's a lot of people! We have thousands of producers Yes, we do. We have... that's why we're better and dare I say that's why they call us the best podcast in the universe far better than the top 100 from Time! People are so mad about that? I can't believe people still care what Time Magazine says at all Is it even a magazine anymore just an online website Oh, that's a good question. I think it may just be It's a blog. It's a sub stack. I think it's a blog

23:06 Yeah, well everyone you know a couple people got to go to Scotland so yeah that's it's good I guess. They...yeah. I was looking at what is Fox and Jackie Heinrich I think her name and it looks like a completely different person because when she's in the studio or into in the country she's cutting professional makeup And then she has to guess when you're on the Trump trip, they didn't send a makeup artist with her. And it's just like is this the same woman? Well yeah makeup can do a lot well since since NPR could not stop bringing up Epstein might as well just play the latest which we all pretty much know about by now This morning President Trump is calling the Jeffrey Epstein controversy a scam accusing Democrats of using unreleased court records to distract from his political success

24:05 Trump comparing the investigation to the so-called Russia hoax, saying quote they have gone absolutely crazy. Adding as things are revealed and I hope will take place quickly you will see that it is yet another Democrat con job but the pressure to release the files is a bipartisan effort Democrats and Republicans demanding answers. I want all of this information out man just put everything out make it as transparent as you can release the damn files The Justice Department searching for answers of its own. Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch meeting with Epstein's convicted co-conspirator, Glynne Maxwell. She answered all the questions and answered them honestly. The closed door meeting lasted six hours yesterday, and it's expected to resume today Blanche is meeting with a convicted sex trafficker as part of the Justice Department efforts uncover quote information about anyone who has committed crimes against victims Those sources say it was Maxwell who reached out to the DOJ to request the meeting She's currently appealing her conviction to the Supreme Court There were a lot of questions that we went all day

25:06 And she answered every one of them. She never just said, I'm not gonna answer and never declined. Oh! And she answered them all truthfully! Truthfully? Oh Joe you answered every question! Truthfully... Yeah but there was another report uh.... President Trump is spending the weekend at his golf resort in Scotland where he will celebrate the opening of a new golf course. Next week, he will hold meetings on trade with European leaders The trip comes as here at home Trump continues to face questions about Jeff Epstein People should really focus on how well the country's doing or they should focus on the fact that Barack Hussein Obama led a coup

25:46 In Florida, Deputy Attorney General Tom Blanche a former Trump criminal defense lawyer has now conducted two closed-door meetings with Epstein's co-conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell in an effort to quiet criticisms the administration is blocking access to... How does that even...? Quell criticism. I think it only riles it up for two quiet criticisms The administration is blocking access to the Epstein files Maxwell is serving a 20-year prison term defense attorney David Marcus said she is cooperating freely We haven't asked her anything This is not a situation where we're asking anything in return for For testimony or anything like that yet the media have raised questions Liz back and replay that again

26:33 Yeah, it's kind of odd one the way he said that. Here we go... We haven't asked her anything. What do you mean we haven't asked for anything? I thought he just said they talked to her for days on end! What i think he is referring to is that we haven't asked her to do anything like quid pro quo like.. Yeah, I understand maybe what he meant but thats not what he said Well listen to the whole sentence cooperating freely. We haven't asked for anything, this is not a situation where we're asking anything in return for testimony or anything like that yet the meetings have raised questions Liz Oyer, a former US pardon attorney was fired from the Justice Department in March there's every reason to believe that they are seeking to make some sort of deal with Maxwell all that will help them solve this political crisis The president was asked if he is considering a pardon for Maxwell

27:22 A lot of people are asking me about pardons, obviously this is no time to be talking about pardons. On Friday a plane flew up in her over the courthouse meeting site accusing the president and US Attorney General Pam Bondi of a cover-up The President has called the scandal a hoax by the Democrats. It's a hoax! It's a hoax! Hoax? And so of course he keeps telling everybody to look at the coup What's that what's the hoax part I don't mind him calling what the Democrats doing a hoax, but what specifically is a hoax here? Well from the way. I listen and hear the president There's something in the papers as a hoax the papers are a hoax it's a hoax is the list It's a hoax. It's all a hoax. I don't know And I don't think we will ever really know I did Dig up so very short unfortunately In the archives

28:14 Because the accusation against former President Obama is that he led a coup. And the way he led that coup, if you listen to Tulsi Gabbard's endless yacking... Oh man! On every show—she's on every show There's that sigh. Yeah I'll just have an apple in my room Every single show what she's really saying is that The intelligence community came with an ICA, an intelligence community assessment and said well there's really no they're there. And then President Obama said you voted wrong go back and get me another assessment! This was admitted by the Dumbo clapper and this is him back in the day on Tappers show.

29:11 we might not have done the intelligence community assessment that we did, that set off a whole sequence of events which are still unfolding today. President Obama is responsible for that and it was he who tasked us to do that intelligence community assessment in the first place. Oh there's Clapper! That's a clip-of-the day give yourself like round of applause for digging up an historical clip That was a winner. How good is that? That's outstanding no one has played that clip, that is the best thing we've done for weeks. Oh well I want to mention... We've done other great things we have definitely... Now that's the best right there! Oh come on your tip of the day about mellow leather was good Leather honey. Mellow leather whatever that's it doesn't soft drink I think so

30:01 So there's something that is bothering me about this whole thing because they're always going, they're making a big fuss about all the intelligence community is corrupt and these guys are you know... They make it a big fussy. It seems to me that I don't understand why they pundits out there and the people doing this analysis Don't say what actually happened. The intelligence community and I'm not here to defend them But they did their job. They said there's no collusion going on and it was Brennan who is yeah he was a part of the intelligence community in a certain way but he was running the agency and he was a political guy, who knows? And no one has still ever asked him if he's a Muslim or not which really irks me because if you look up

30:44 Go to all the AI and ask him. No, I'm not going to any AI. Don't go anywhere and try to find out whether he's a Muslim you find that there is evidence that he is but they all deny it! And no reporter has ever said hey just just clear up their record Are you a Muslim? Because they say that when you were in Saudi Arabia as the station chief in Riyadh, you took the oath to uphold the tenets of Islam. Yes or no? It's not a big deal just ask him. No one has done it but this guy is the one who... he was the corrupt character there

31:20 in front that was running the agency. The agency was doing, the field people, the people that were the analysts who were doing their job they kept reporting back no this is bullcrap nothing's going on with Russia and they said well you better get me a report he hand-picked a couple of guys I would do his bidding and this is not them... You can't blame intelligence community for this Well I don't think there any good Well that could be different Dan Bongino posted a shocking, shocking, shocking memo on X. This is how the headlines...

30:44 Go to all the AI and ask him. No, I'm not going to any AI. Don't go anywhere and try to find out whether he's a Muslim you find that there is evidence that he is but they all deny it! And no reporter has ever said hey just just clear up their record Are you a Muslim? Because they say that when you were in Saudi Arabia as the station chief in Riyadh, you took the oath to uphold the tenets of Islam. Yes or no? It's not a big deal just ask him. No one has done it but this guy is the one who... he was the corrupt character there

31:20 in front that was running the agency. The agency was doing, the field people, the people that were the analysts who were doing their job they kept reporting back no this is bullcrap nothing's going on with Russia and they said well you better get me a report he hand-picked a couple of guys I would do his bidding and this is not them... You can't blame intelligence community for this Well I don't think there any good Well that could be different Dan Bongino posted a shocking, shocking, shocking memo on X. This is how the headlines...

31:57 Advertise it. I shall read it for you. Shocking! I shall read it for you verbatim During my tenure here as the Deputy Director of the FBI This is great, yeah, I'm glad you got this... I have repeatedly relayed to you that things are happening that might not be immediately visible but they are happening The director and I are committed to stamping out public corruption and the political weaponization of both law enforcement and intelligence operations It is a priority for us, but what I have learned in the course of our properly predicated and necessary investigations into these aforementioned matters has shocked me down to my core.

32:37 We cannot run a republic like this. I will never be the same after learning what i've learned we are going to conduct these righteous and proper investigations by the book that by the way is exactly what Susan Rice wrote down in her cover your ass memo, well by the book! I think that's it, I think that's a call back to that And in accordance with the law we are going to get the answers we all deserve As with any investigation, I cannot predict where it will land but i can promise you an honest and dignified effort at truth. Not my truth or your truth but the truth! God bless America and all those who defend her. Code Bongino!" What is that? That was nuts. I saw that. That's not so great. All caps by the way. Oh yeah a lot of all caps in there

33:32 Yeah, I think he's getting a lot of pressure. You think? And to go back to podcasting... Go back to podcasting where you belong kind of thing Where he was doing very well He was great! Code Bongino everyone knows it It still gives you discount on many websites and as of a month or so ago thought that that were his head at he was headed back to the biz but I think this may be his rationale, his rationale to stick around and be a desk jockey which is what he is. So Mike Baker was on Joe's show

34:09 You know, Mike Baker a quote former CIA operative is not... Yeah he's Mike Baker to me because he took over the that job I finally sort of straightened it out. Presidential daily briefing? Yeah and it's lame by comparison to what it was originally with the other guy Why did he take over? What is that about? Because the other guy, there's something... I have to go back to my notes and figure out why the other guy quit. Yeah yeah, I know what it is! He said hey give me that thing! Give me that briefing thing! What's that amos? No, I don't think that was it. The other guy was being it was sold by some other guys It's like uh one of these operations is like back or somebody owns it not back but somebody liked back and um I think mike baker is central casting more than he is a spook Well, you know He just looks the party looks like pierce brosnan. I mean he's got a

35:06 He's got a look to him that is just like, oh okay. I'm a spy what are those other two guys? What's his name the guy with the big braids you know the big poofy hair He said he's a former, what does he say? Former, eh, what is his name? EverydaySpy.com is it... Andrew Bustamante! Oh yeah, Bustamante that guy I don't know F and G right there fake and gay g-h-e-y And he was talking to another guy with the same hair It's a hair club for men Totally some kind of hair club for men

35:49 Anyway, so Mike Baker's on Joe show. I get to say Joe. Yeah. Joe! My buddy. Joe. You haven't gotten to Joey yet? Oh no. No there is no Joey in Joe we don't do that and of course... And Joe has him on for obvious reasons it's the perfect time for that. For Baker to come on because you know we all trust Baker but But Baker made an interesting point. Right, right. When someone says right like that all the time that just means bull crap to me right? Like any Silicon Valley guy this is really the future right? This is going to change the whole world right? That window starts closing immediately in terms of their operational usefulness

36:55 There's a lot of issues there, right? You're blackmailing somebody for their cooperation. At some point that's gonna go south on you, right? It's not like you've recruited somebody for ideological reasons or even something as straightforward is they need the money because their kid's sick or whatever it may be. So blackmails are... But having said that look at the Russians in particular loved that and now let's say okay I didn't realize how many times he says write Which is now annoying me to no end. It should! Oh, it's really bad But what he does here is he and I this feels a bit like a setup to me

37:34 And I think that there's some validity to that, you know. To turn someone to become an asset with blackmail may indeed not be a very secure way... It maybe a great way to get someone to change their vote. Vote! Yeah, vote a certain way. But and I don't know if we're really talking about turning people into assets right? But he brings up Russia at least five times and I think it was subliminal, right? But having said that look the Russians in particular love that right and The Chinese Intel they'll do whatever works from their perspective You know the agency again people are gonna say that's bullshit. The agency tries they the blackmail is white now I've got to dissect this guy now

38:24 Why would he say people are gonna say that's bullshit? I didn't think that did you think that right away no, and why do you stutter with Stan were they They he's like all what is wound up. Yes. He is oh they'll do whatever works from their perspective You know the agency again people are gonna Say That's bullshit The agency tries they blackmail is never really ever on the table as an option because It always leads to a problem. And sometimes those problems can be very, very bad in terms of- In what way? What do you mean by this? Well the asset will turn on you right next thing they know. You've got an agent working now ... A double agent working for the other side because they're so

39:10 Fucked over by the fact that they've been blackmailed and at some point. They lose their shit decided to roll for the other side Constantly murdering them and looking at their phone. There's only so much you can do right in terms of maintaining particularly with a a hard target, particularly with an asset who's in a difficult or challenging environment. You've got limited access to them whatever it may be so you're really relying on clandestine communications you don't have a lot of face-to-face meetings and at some point you never know when things are heading south right? And then the next thing you know look Look, that's the operational reason for trying to avoid blackmail. Has it ever been done? Well sure yeah I mean i'm not saying it hasn't been done of course but some services go to it much quicker than others do

39:59 Which services? Well, again the Russians are primary users of something like that. They don't... because they've got a shotgun approach. Israelis have been known to do it in the honeypot operations that they'll doing and other things but the Russians throw a lot of shit at the wall and see what sticks right there's very much a shotgun approach I don't know he said Russia too much for my liking He said right too much for my liking and stammering Now its possible that he's uh..I mean when you hear a guy present like that He's he might still be working for the CIA or someone because he seems to be I think that pattern of that style is that you're constantly worried it You're gonna say something. You shouldn't say hmm, and I think this would accounts for the stammering and which is a way of stalling without Slowing down cuz he can't slow down these guys all jacked up on something So there's so it was basically a meaningless discussion right?

40:59 Right. And the coincidence of him... We learned nothing, we learned nothing from that discussion except that maybe blackmail is not the way to go. Well and I'm thinking it's probably a reasonable point. Who has been blackmailed? Has he been blackmailed? Someone has been blackmailed in this process. Someone being black-holed somewhere! I mean blackmailed. Mistake with cornhole. Yeah. The whole thing is I don't know. I don't know if we'll ever know it's all so disappointing and that That's just the bottom line. It is the name of the game is disappointed Just disappointing and I was talking to Tina about that You know, it's like 17 and a half years before seven years before I even knew you

41:44 I was all in on this stuff. This is going to be great, we're gonna learn so much it's all gonna come out in the wash." Nothing ever! Ever! And really the biggest psyop that has been going on since 2019 which is still going on today is XRP. Ripple. Do you recall, I mean you may not recall but I think I brought it up on the show. Probably jokingly even at the time like look I know a guy he's involved with all this money and the money is all going into XRP they have quantum networks they have off-world servers you know yeah on the moon world servers yeah and... They're on the moon! And to this day people are still oh no XRP is going to 1000

42:38 And that has been around so long. It's all these kinds of things, but it's quantum finances you don't understand this is the stuff you don't get okay? Quantum finances. Yeah the term you-don't-get-it was very prevalent in the late 90s With what under what circumstance? The new economy Oh, the new economy. Yes! You don't get it man this is the new economy okay? This is a whole new thing I was doing this show Silicon Spin and these guys would come on and they were intelligent CEOs And they had these crackpot ideas and they're going on and on and I would say to them well...and I'd be questioning them as best I could and they said you just do not get because of the new economy Yeah if things are gonna change Clicks and mortar man clicks in mortar

43:32 Oh, Clicks and Ward I forgot about that one. What other buzzwords did we have back in the day? Oh, I had a whole column of them. I should dig it up from the late 90s and it has like 100 of them. And there was just one after another they had nothing... It was Buzzword Bonanza of the late 90's! It was fabulous Yeah. So I gotta just you want to take a walk down an interesting topic? Okay, this is about the post office. I have some post office clips but i want to start it off with an ask Adam another thing I was completely unprepared for

44:14 Okay. I got you on your heels! Yeah, uh... Vivec here it is all right okay i'm ready now. Ask Elgo! Answer the question go! All right Okay, first play the Ask Adam question and I'll ask you the question. On this day 250 years ago the Continental Congress appointed the first Postmaster General of the United States. Okay! 250 years ago... Who was it? The first... Paul Revere. Nice try Let me think.. The First Postmaster General Don't look it up No, I'm not looking it up Who do you take me for?! Right? Right

44:57 Because it seems like it's probably going to be something very obvious. 250 years ago, so that was before the Declaration of Ind... Before the... Yeah I was right about the same time as the declaration. I have no idea there. I presume you have it in the answer? Yep On this day 250 years ago The Continental Congress appointed the first Postmaster General of the United States Benjamin Franklin Ah! Somehow I could've known that I don't know how, because i could have known it too. Because when I heard it that's why I came with the Ask Adam. It feels so logical for some reason it feels logical there's some logic to but then there's some illogic to it and I was kind of taking a back enough to put that up

45:41 So just to embarrass you, so that you don't know anything. And the thing is I don't feel embarrassed at all! So fail! It's funny how that works. I did not does not at all feel embarrassed. All right... So post office now is oh there you know because Trump has a problem with the post office Why is he your problem with the post? He wants to privatize it and this is no good No, no, no, I mean you'd have- Don't you have to change the Constitution?! You basically have to change the Constitution. But you know, it's just... there are workarounds and they're thinking about them and it's just like no don't mess with it the post office is fine

46:21 But let's play these clips. There are three clips here that kind of give us what is going on currently David Steiner is the latest person Is Scott, Mike...is he on the vacation shift or the summer shift? This is Saturday Clips He runs Saturday We have not heard him for weeks and here he is in two series! David Steiner is the latest person to hold the office Yes He was the 77th Postmaster General Before taking office last week he served on the board of FedEx personal detail that reignites some worries about postal reforms that some fear could limit or end,

46:57 rural mail service. The Midwest Newsroom's Nick Loomis has more on that and a note USPS is a financial supporter of NPR. Gwen Smith walks from her front door to her mailbox and back six days a week it's about a quarter mile I would say it's relatively short trip to the mailbox for us rural folks she lives outside Scotts Bluff Nebraska with their husband Alan who was recovering from surgery for liver cancer he also suffers from diabetes arthritis in the lingering effects of West Nile virus The former Navy Corpsman gets most of his medications through the mail from Veterans Affairs. Former Postmaster General Louis DeJoy curtailed rural mail service with his Delivering for America plan, which he introduced in 2021 to stem annual losses in the billions

47:46 Still, the deficits persist and mail delivery is slower due to a reduction in work hours collection time changes and the consolidation of processing facilities. Alan Smith worries about those changes and cuts made to many other government programs. It feels to me like it's coming at me right and left, they're trying to destroy everything that supports my staying alive and functioning President Trump has suggested privatizing the Postal Service in both of his terms Most recently he has said it could be brought under the Department of Commerce Congress set up the agency to be independent of The White House in 1971 And undoing that would require further legislation

48:24 Even though this Congress has mostly adhered to Trump's agenda, the Postal Service is a touchy political subject for lawmakers from rural states. Like Republican Congressman Mike Flood of Nebraska. Can it be modernized? Absolutely! Should it be privatized? I'd have to be sold on what the plan was before we went anywhere near that because i know people in rural Nebraska rely on the Postal Service and its current form. And currently, the Postal Service self-finances and generally does not count on tax dollars to fill it's budget gaps. I don't really understand why the Postal Service is always under fire? It says it self finances they're not even using taxpayer money when I heard that part of it

49:06 besides the other parts of that crazy clip, is I'm thinking why not? I mean the government costs us money. We all know it everything costs money but they're always throwing money away on USAID for you know gay sex in Guatemala and they can't pay them for the post office's deficit? It makes no sense to me! Gay sex in Guatemala was that really a line item in USAID? I think it was yeah. I'll have to check Doge okay um yeah just it seems like they But the only thing it can be is somebody wants to give somebody a penny by privatizing, i.e., giving it to some other company that's what its all about. There's some scam afoot And that's what happened all over Europe you know DHL has taken over a lot of the postal services around the world actually

49:58 Oh, they can do it much more efficiently. They can't! What makes them more efficient? Nothing! They just charge more. Do you see what it costs to send something with FedEx?! The FedEx is out of control. What used to be like $6-$8 dollars for letters which was still pricey... It's like 25 bucks! Yeah just for afternoon delivery Yeah, it's no good. Alright post office 2. Elena Patel of the Brookings Institution says it might be time to reconsider that because it provides a public service. Yeah bring in a think tank okay We should be willing to compensate the postal service for doing that and we do not currently. We don't come close to offsetting the costs of the USO for our postal service. USO is the universal service obligation which requires the postal service to deliver to every address in the us six days a week

50:48 even those on long-distance, low density rural routes that don't generate much revenue. Patel says those costs would likely shift to taxpayers if the USO continued under privatization. I think that people in the administration think this is the right thing to do, and not sure that the American people or American business owners think that She says the exceptions might be private shipping companies and their investors In February Wells Fargo wrote a report outlining among other things how mail-and-parcel delivery could be divvied up among the government and private companies like FedEx and UPS A Wells Fargo spokesperson said in a statement that it was not recommending privatization. However, the American Postal Workers Union thought the report was controversial enough to release an ad about it. This is the Wall Street memo that The White House doesn't want you to see...a path to privatization of The Post Office! Union President Mark Dimenstein says the timing of the ad coincides with the 250th anniversary of the postal service and the arrival of the new postmaster general David Steiner

51:46 whose appointment was backed by Trump, as reported by the Washington Post. It's the old saying... you know, The Fox guarding the hen house Steiner left the board of FedEx to take the job but a Securities and Exchange Commission filing shows he retained company stock worth millions Oh no! Scoundrel! He's gonna sell the stock but it's beside the point. That's bullcrap, you know? I've always argued this if you worry...I worked for an oil refinery and then I worked for the air pollution district inspecting refineries And all it meant was that now is on the other side of the fence and they knew a lot So, I mean, I knew more than someone who's never worked at a refinery. It was a benefit that it was better. What was the original back in Ben's days? What was the original charter of the Postal Service? What was the idea? The idea was it was important to have a society that had communications with...that

52:45 kind of franchised by the government. So everyone was assured that if you had to get a hold of somebody or send somebody something, or mail obligations or whatever it just... It was for communications purposes that was the... Thank you! No thank this is good. It wasn't about your Amazon packages. It wasn't about your beef box. It wasn't even about your phone book. Remember those? It was really about a private communication service And that's why there is such heavy regulation on tampering with the US mail. You can't go opening up people's envelopes, right? It's illegal. So they'd love to get rid of that. What if the U S and this would I would be all for this

53:35 What if the US Postal Service modernized? Give all the packages to FedEx and Amazon and UPS, whatever. It's fine. Figure that out because actually I think the returns probably kill everybody but what if the US Postal Service ran an email service that was, and they made it easy for everybody to encrypt their messages on their side. So none of this like oh don't worry we'll encrypted in the cloud none of that just encrypted on your side

54:13 And once someone has, you know... If I want to send you an email, I have to have your public key. They could provide that directory service so you can easily find someone's public key and then you can receive it and we can have true secure communications. At the same time with the brand new stablecoin they charge a very nominal fee for sending a message to someone which would do two things. One, it would in theory provide a real secure communication service and this can be done I believe that it can be done without the government still spying on you and two... The government wants to spy on you but continue And 2, it would reduce spam because spam would then become unprofitable

55:06 And even if it was just for bull crap, I would love to have an email box that works with you know so if I send a hundred emails and might wind up spending ten cents. You know its fractional you know its digital so you can take your stable coin and break it down into little stable coinlets or whatever we're going to call it. Pennies? Less than pennies. It has to be less than pennies Well, a stablecoin is supposed to represent $1. Yeah but a fraction... That would be like representing a penny! Okay Boomer how about... Is it going to get smaller than that? Yes yes yes How about 1 hundredth of a penny? Of course that's the whole beauty of digital money

55:49 And that way, at least we could have a functioning email system which would be reasonably secured. At least the only one who could be spying on you is the government and Google is worse. You won't get advertisements through it. I'm just thinking that would be a great way to replace the US postal system, get it off our books, get all the other stuff... Don't privatize it! Just here, we're not doing it anymore You guys, by the way you'll see them all go oh what? We don't get government contract. No you got to do it yourself I would be all for that! That would revolutionize interpersonal communications Yeah it would but its not going to happen The FBI will be against it everybody will be against it Who runs this country the people or the FBI It ain't the people

56:49 All right. Well, I think it's a platform I could run on you could. I mean, and I think it'd pay up to a penny. Well, that'd be fine. A penny of message if I knew was going to get through instead of getting just blocked and spammed and thrown in the junk mail like the news. Hold on. Let me ask you the question. So if it's a penny which is what you are advocating for instead of my fraction of a penny and you're sending out 30 thousand newsletters how much will that cost you per newsletter? A penny? A newsletter. No, per person a penny! Yeah yeah so how many dollars is that $300? Uh 300 uh 100 it'd be 100 no it would be 30 though...no no it wouldn't be 300. It'll be three hundred dollars! Do you still like your penny or do you like my fraction of a penny idea better well

57:46 For 300 bucks if I could, well I would actually say for 300 bucks it'd be worth it to get the rate doubled. Uh-huh? So we bring in twice as much in donations that would be worth the three hundred bucks easy There you go! I've proven my point No you haven't I have proven something You wouldn't have to pay MailChimp, you could just have your own email server MailChimp costs us at least what a hundred bucks a month at least Try 400. Holy mackerel! 400 a month for MailChimp? Yeah, and you know why is because they have to pay the whitelisting services so you can even get through to Gmail and Yahoo and AOL or whatever else is out there. AOL. Prodigy. So you got your prodigy mail. CompuServe. Anyway that was just an idea just a free idea from Adam for the government

58:48 to fix everything, to stop this nonsense and get Scott Simon back to drinking margaritas on the weekend. Clip number three. The Postal Service Board of Governors Chairwoman told NPR that Steiner is in the process of divesting from quote prohibited stocks and in his first message to postal workers... Wait! Stop! Stop! Why did he have to say quote? I don't know It's what you do. Oh, he is going to divest from quote prohibited stocks? Why didn't he just say they have to divest from prohibited stocks? There is no reason for him to say quote. Is it like some sort of a...it's like air quotes and he's like oh prohibitive bull crap is scam that's what implies Maybe the guy said it that way

59:36 That's the way I took it. Let's listen again. I don't think so, let's listen again. The Postal Service Board of Governors Chairwoman told NPR that Steiner is in the process of divesting from quote prohibited stocks and in his first message to postal workers Steiner tried to dispel rumors about the changes he would bring First! I do not believe that the Postal Service should be privatized or that it should become an appropriated part of the federal government. Postal unions say they welcome this statement but we'll be watching Steiners actions Rural customers will likely do the same. For NPR News, I'm Nick Loomis in Lincoln, Nebraska. Unbelievable. I think i should lobby to be the next Postmaster General, it would be so easy shut it down you can take all of our employees they're good employees they're good guys good guys and good gals

1:00:46 Actually, I'd say 99% of them are. Oh definitely! I love our mail carrier they're fantastic people. The post office they're very friendly... Not all but most of them are here. There's always one we used to have a post office Wait for it wait for it wait for it I would be the pod master general Okay, I'm gonna skip that story Let's do, what else we got here? Oh wait. Here is an interesting thing since I get most of these NPR clips you have to listen to this NPR beeped This is a very short clip and I'm scratching my head over this one A quick warning there are curse words that are un-beeped in today's episode of the show If you prefer a beeped version You can find that at our website thisamericanlife.org

1:01:42 What? Beeps. Well, this must be the podcast This wasn't over-the-air I presume they do not It was taken off the internet but it was on a website that streams the over-the-air feed Well, but I guess they would say I didn't they never played that show anyway So I couldn't tell if there were cussing or not. And what is what did they bleep and why well? Why didn't you investigate? Why don't you do it? Good enough right there. I did all the work I felt like doing are you trying to just get as many NPR clips as possible before they fold?

1:02:17 It's all gonna go away. Well, it's not going to go away because here you stuck me on this NPR new donation ad is not gonna go away with ads like this. Federal funding for public media has been eliminated that means decades of bipartisan support for public radio and television is ending To be clear NPR isn't going anywhere We do need your support. Please give today to help keep rigorous, independent and irreplaceable news coverage available to everybody free of charge. You can make your gift at donate dot NPR dot org and thank you. Thank you yes that's a horrible brand these ads I'd say half of the programming now are these ads it's a horrible ask it's not a way to ask is no good snow good all right balls in your court okay

1:03:15 Well, in that case I'll go to my favorite topic. We know that there's already a pivot to quantum computing because... Oh God you're not gonna go there! Oh i'm sorry let's do more NPR No, you can go with quantum but you're gonna hear a lot of moaning and groaning. Okay well this is only about the facts Another heat wave this week as ComEd customers in the Chicago area bear not only rising temperatures but sky-high electric bills some reporting paying double what they were billed last month on June 1st a supply rate increase took effect

1:03:53 due to a spike in the wholesale cost of electricity and supply charge, as well as increased energy use in the region. One reason for that increase? We're also seeing nationally but also in Illinois the effect of increasing demand on the grid from technologies have nothing to do with cooling people off has to do with providing services related to artificial intelligence or AI. So data centers that we see, you know building out across the nation... We are not going to be operating quantum computers at least not yet! We're going to be delivering power to them. Just yesterday the CEO

1:04:30 of ComEd spoke at the Global Quantum Forum in Illinois, referencing the future demand of electricity at the Illinois Quantum Microelectronics Park. near absolute zero to ensure the stability of qubits. Qubits! We have to ensure the stability of the qubits, turn off your air conditioners! Near absolute zero to ensure the stability of qubits that requires a lot of electricity. Oh please... In fact ComEd's nation-leading reliability was a key factor in PsiQuantum's decision to be the anchor tenant of the Illinois Quantum and Microelectronics Park. This is gonna... this shows you how dumb they are in some parts of this country. Chicago, Darren's backyard yeah

1:05:28 But this is exactly just happening everywhere a couple of points one You think that maybe the grid is being taxed by electrical vehicles that are constantly hooked to it Sucking energy off to fill their tanks. No, I was gonna do with it also quantum computing if it could ever be shown to work as opposed to faked It's uses like 1 quintillion amount as much It could do one quintillion more than a regular computer, so thus overall it should require one quintillion less in terms of power. Seems to me that a 9-volt battery should keep it going for all the work it can do! You are talking against the narrative of Silicon Valley my friend

1:06:19 This is not how, that's how technology used to work. Today if you want it to do more, you've gotta pay more! It's gotta be more expensive, gotta suck more power." So the basic old school of Silicon Valley was things got cheaper and faster and cheaper and faster and smaller. Smaller, cheaper, faster every generation was smaller it was cheaper it was faster but now? Well I think Apple showed us that that's not the way Every new iPhone is more expensive, ruins your battery quicker and you've got to upgrade sooner. They flipped the script on this! I know...I mean i'm with you obviously. I still have a TRS-100 that runs on two AA's. The TRS 100? Yeah those things didn't use much juice Well it only had an 8 line LCD display but man it could do basic

1:07:18 Uh, I've actually been doing some deep dives. Oh God! Um... There is a resurgence- Are you ready for this? I'm already sensing what you're gonna say. Okay, tell me. A resurgence in old junk! No... People are finding old TRS-80 100s and they're repurposing them If only! No, I want to run Linux, I want to run Ubuntu on my TRS100 Actually that's what i would think people want to run Ubuntu on a TRS100 No...

1:07:56 There's, you know AI... let's just call it AI. Large language models It turns out that it is pretty much the same basic principles going back to 1958 when a guy named John McCarthy invented Take it away John I don't know what but John McCarthy there was two schools before you go on this into this I'm gonna say this one thing and I know what you're doing, but John McCarthy was on the wrong side of history. There were two schools of thought when it came to AI and every time the John McCarthy side had its moment which is

1:08:43 including the 80s, they all failed because it was mostly machine learning and we didn't really have anything to do with anything. And the counter to that was always neural networks which could never work. It's neural networks that are working today that make AI what it is, that can do these art and all the rest of it. Interestingly enough there is a resurgent in LISP programming because they can't seem to get the AI going any further than it is today Yeah, we'll see. I'm just telling you there was a whole conference not... Lisp programming? Yes, Lisp. Everyone's all-time favorite! I'm just telling you that they just had a worldwide conference the AI guys are going back to lisps because they can't seem to get their neural networks doing any intelligence

1:09:36 Other than the neural networks, which is giving you your Scaramanga his 8-second videos and Darren O'Neill his orange images. And I would like to say... by the way have a comment on the orange images. I would suggest that somebody show use Lisp and create some of the art that Darren creates with just a few prompts What did you not hear what I just said? The neural networks, they are definitely responsible. I'll say it again for Scaramanga's eight-second videos... Yeah no, I'm saying yes and if ...I'm not arguing that but what i am saying is that if the LISP is so good that we can go back to it? I want to see produce some art as good as Scaramanga's No! They want to use LISP for the reasoning

1:10:23 and for the recursive... Yes, I'm telling you. Boy that's insanity! I'm reporting it to you, i'm not like advocating for it You might as well be You're insufferable sometimes. I am totally insufferable, it's pathetic But you know what the number one language is being used currently today for artificial intelligence large language models not for your image crap Do you know what it is? The number one language? You got me Python That doesn't surprise me which is lame by comparison to Lisp Exactly! This is exactly why they are going back to it

1:11:06 It's fascinating to see. Why don't they go back to small talk? Apple Talk! Novell Networks, now that was a technology I tell you. Now we sound like a couple of farts... So uh- I've decided on Ben X That is my new generation. I am not GenX, I'm Ben X Anyway What's Ben? Ben what? The B for Boomer. Ben X Oh, that's interesting. Thank you. I think boom-ex would be better but no So Sam Altman our very tortured tortured multi millionaire fiend I don't know if he's this out of your what you'd say isn't a part of that sex cult

1:11:50 You know you're am I conflating a bunch of different people. You're thinking of the FTX guy You're saying you think if Sam Bankman freed no, and I'm not taking it for now I'm thinking about this the other group that's still running around here that is sex oriented in oh What were they called again the Yeah them those guys someone in the troll room should know what it is yeah Okay continue talking so Sam Altman He, he's doing some pre-promotion for Model 5. Model 5 everybody! I mean listen we just need another trillion dollars once we have more compute AI is really effective altruism thank you very much Max Abilian. Yeah effective altruism

1:12:41 No, he's the opposite of that because now he went all in on commercialism. He wants to get filthy rich now remember they're trying to spin all that out. Who doesn't? Exactly Sam Altman is doing just fine so Sam needs to explain to everybody that if we just get a little more money It will really be smart. It's going to... it is blowing me away, I'm telling you! So where would you go? Hey, I have to say that no one has said this and i am gonna say it. Okay. It turns out that Sam Altman is one of the greatest sales people in the history of sales and no one recognizes the simple fact he is really good at sales. I think his pitch is getting old

1:13:28 Because no work he's still getting money. He does it yes, but he doesn't I mean to you You're like a you know you can see this but most people can't and I see right through it. I mean the guy is clearly Lying, you know So he goes on of all podcasts if you really want to reach the masses Theo Vaughn This was this is a fantastic podcast Because and I didn't clip this but a certain point Theo Vaughn says do you think don't you think it's kind of like old-fashioned? For women to have babies. I mean should we just have them in vats You know and Sam all that's like yeah, no obviously we'd had much better humans obviously So yes Clip that no it was too creepy

1:14:17 And anyway, so here's his pre-sale. These are two very short clips. Here is his presale of Model 5! But what it comes with... What do you fear Sam? You know what? What's like one of your fears, like what's a fear you have of AI. Like if you have like a fearful space that it could go... I know you mentioned it a little bit This morning I was testing our new model and I got an email with the question that I didn't quite understand And I put in the model this GPT-5 and answered perfectly And I really kind of sat back on my chair and I was just like oh man here is moment

1:15:01 And I got over it quickly. I got busy on to the next thing, but it was like a... I mean what kind of we're talking about? I felt like useless relative to AI in this thing that I feel like I should have been able to do and I couldn't and it's really hard but they just did it like that. Yeah. It was a weird feeling. Model 5 GPT5! I mean- I'm smelling ketamine That's probably true. I like that so then We get his actual fear Which he doesn't know how to solve! Another thing I'm afraid of, and we had a... you know... We had a real problem with this earlier but it can get much worse is just what this is gonna mean for users mental health.

1:15:59 There's a lot of people that talk to Chachabit all day long. They're these sort of new AI companions And we were talking earlier about how it's probably not been good for kids to like grow up, like on the dopamine hit of scrolling. You know, or whatever. Do you think that that... How do you keep AI from having that same effect? Like that negative effect that social media really has had I'm scared about i don't have an answer yet uh i don't think we know quite the ways in which It's going to have those negative impacts Yes we do! But I feel for sure it's gonna have some and We'll have to- I hope we can learn to mitigate it quickly

1:16:37 Can AIs, can they pull up pornography and stuff like that too or not? Sure. Oh my god. God I didn't know that. No it's fine Listen to him laughing! By the way you have to know Theo Vaughn had a very serious porn addiction. Um can AIs...can they pull up pornography and stuff like that too or not? Sure sure oh my god. God i didn't know that No, it's fine. Yeah but I just yeah...I don't even need to know that. I'm gonna have that stricken from my own record So there it is! There is his biggest fear which of course he knows all about this is not his fear this is this is his exit strategy everybody needs to be talking to their chat GPT every single you know if you pick if you pull up I know you don't have an app for it but if you were to ever install an app on your phone in the drawer

1:17:29 ChadGBT has tabs at the top and the first one is like general, and the second one is therapy. They are literally giving this to people... There's a tab? Therapy tab. That says therapy that comes with it? Yep built right in. Well then tell us more! Well that's where people go for therapy and then the AI starts talking you like a therapist This is not regulated. Well, no! You can't go... you just can't put a shingle out and say I'm a therapist without having a license? Actually, I think you can. I don't think so. I think you can. Not in the state of California. Hmmmm....I'm not sure about that.

1:18:15 You have to be a licensed, either psychologist or a licensed psychiatrist. Or a psychiatrist I don't think you need a license for that. MD... I mean I don't know if you need to be uh... It's like Lucy free advice five cents? Well there ya go! Lucy was in violation of the law Let's see, let me ask Grok. Do you need... Yes! Ask Grok. Grok would know. Do you need a license to be a therapist? Alright let's find out. Yes, you typically do but it depends on location Okay alright well we have a lot of therapists and psychologists Well just someone should chime in on this bullcrap Yeah

1:19:01 Because none of it's good, obviously. Well if it says therapy they're offering therapeutic services that are unlicensed. Says it right there! They should sue them. The state of California should sue the company over this immediately. Well anyway I'm...the more I look at X which has you know Grok essentially built into it You know, so I love the number one question. I think posted on X is at Grok Is this true? That's my favorite that's my favorite yeah well that's what you do So the snake is eating its tail continuously and it just seems like you cannot get away from ingesting crap and then just more crap comes out That's just the model collapse to me It's just

1:19:51 That's why we have to keep going. Well, it is gonna be like you say if it's gonna be model collapse I know I'm just clean then I'm not worried Why are you worried about any of this? I'm not but I have to fill time on this podcast So okay as well that makes sense and when it comes to crap just just for you know Just have a look at my timeline and look at all of the number accounts You know like Dolores five nine seven two two three six These are bots There's no one who would accept their username to be Dolores39226. People will try anything, let me just... if it's Dolores1960? Okay! BoomerDolores I got you This thing is filled with bots and the more i look at it then the more I see what kind of comments are being made by these bots The more I am convinced that

1:20:50 All of these social networks are now just completely flooded by intelligence agencies massaging a narrative. And it doesn't mean that they're doing it for the benefit of the administration, they're doing it for the benefit of whatever their messaging is nothing quite sums it up. And why wouldn't you do that? Exactly and nothing quite sums it up as the Harvard cyber speech from President Obama where he was clearly projecting, and in hindsight like wow this is really taking place right now the Epstein conversation's a part of it, the Mossad Israel all of this is a part of it. In Myanmar

1:21:36 It's been well documented that hate speech shared on Facebook played a role in the murderous campaign targeting the Rohingya community. Social media platforms have been similarly implicated, fanning ethnic violence in Ethiopia and far-right extremism in Europe Authoritarian regimes and strongmen around the world, from China to Hungary, the Philippines, Brazil have learned to conscript social media platforms to turn their own populations against groups they don't like. Whether it's ethnic minorities, the LGBTQ community, journalists, political opponents and of course autocrats like Putin have used these platforms as a strategic weapon

1:22:14 Against democratic countries that they consider a threat people like Putin and Steve Bannon for that matter understand it's not necessary for people to believe this information in order to weaken Democratic institutions You just have to flood a country's public square with enough raw sewage. Here's how to raise enough questions spread enough dirt plant enough conspiracy theorizing that citizens no longer know what to believe. Once they lose trust in their leaders, in mainstream media and political institutions and each other in the possibility of truth. The game's won. And as Putin discovered leading up to the 2016 election, our own social media platforms are well designed to support such a mission, such a project Russians could study and manipulate patterns in the engagement ranking system on Facebook or YouTube

1:23:08 And as a result, Russian state-sponsored trolls could almost guarantee that whatever disinformation they put out there would reach millions of Americans. And the more inflammatory the story, the quicker it's spread." Yeah and that's being done today right now by our own intelligence community! It's being done by Obama's boys! This is the Cloward Piven strategy! The digital version...it's a digital version of it completely And it's working. It kind of expressed how it works, you clog the sewers Yeah and its working! And how do you make it even crazier? Add AI Just add some Scaramanga images I don't think that makes it crazier just because it makes it easier No...easier for them to do yes But I think it accelerates You made me laugh so hard the other day

1:24:07 You know, you should have someone watching you when you post on X. Which one? What post got ya? The one where you said WHO IS THIS WOMAN NEXT TO TRUMP?! HOW COME SHE'S NEVER MENTIONED! I didn't do that... Yes you did! ...I said this picture shows up a lot who is this woman next to Trump and i wanted somebody to tell me Oh okay It's clearly Melania It doesn't look anything like her No it's totally Melania It doesn't look anything like her and it has to be pre-2004. He wasn't dating her then! I don't know how long he's been dating... Well, that doesn't mean that... What do you mean? Has to be pre 2004 Because he broke up with Epstein as a note. It is documented in 2004. You never saw him again Or spoke to him after 2004 That was the date. You got get all the clips you want When did he start dating Melania

1:25:08 Well it had to be after Marla Maples. And when did he divorce Marla Maples? Well let's find out when he divorced Marla Maples! Holy crap, I'm trying to look at your timeline... Your timeline is 100% TikTok crazy videos. I can't even find the Melania video Oh my goodness You're outta control It's not a video, it is still photo. Who is this woman? I constantly see this photo of Trump from 20 plus years ago who is this woman he has with why she never identified that well what's wrong with that was clearly Melania it's not clearly Melania doesn't look anything like her looks exactly like her

1:25:49 When did they first start dating? Let's see. Yeah, you do that and I'll look at Marla Maples when she was divorced Okay Well that doesn't mean he wasn't hanging out with her at the time Here, Zampolli introduced her to Donald Trump in 1998 She began dating Donald Trump shortly thereafter Who? Melania! And they met... Melania was dating Donald Trump in 1998?! No, I didn't say that Zampolli, Paolo Zampolli I'm sure a fine individual introduced her to Trump in 1998. She began dating Donald Trump shortly thereafter. Trump worked to get Melania modeling jobs and she supported him during his 2000 presidential campaign and they were married in 2005

1:26:37 So that your timeline well, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm completely wrong and she's changed her look which wouldn't surprise She's 25 years older or 20 years older than the picture Marla Mabel got divorced in 1999 there There you go but because he was dating with Melania in 98 hello So the timeline works. Okay, so you got me... Well now I know! I wonder who this picture of this woman was? It's Melania! It's so obvious! Okay well now I didn't know that's why i asked that's what I use Twitter for I use it for a point of information No! No! I see this picture keeps showing up over and over and over again and nobody identifies And they say here's Trump with Epstein and Epstein is with Gislaine There's no mention to the woman

1:27:26 You use Twitter to A-B test crazy TikTok videos to play on One America News. It's your testing ground! Do you see how many, what people like it the most? Have you been on her show? Oh no. Yeah I was on again last Friday. Ah! I missed it. Good. You just grouse about it. No, I think you're doing it wrong. You need to get an act together this is why I'm grousing. You'd be perfect do you need a hat we already discussed that. It's called in tech grouch. Yeah you gotta do a little crazy voice

1:28:04 You gotta say, you know...you got to have a catchphrase. You don't have a catchphrase? I DON'T HAVE A CATCHPHRASE! So your catchphrase should be WHO ARE THESE WOMEN?! That should be your catchphrase. Plus they're not always just women. Okay alright Anyway, I got a gem lined up next time. I noticed you stopped bringing them to the show You're like I'm not giving away my good stuff here No this because no I have an outlet for it That's other than the show because who grouse and moan and groan and make my life I'll bring the next shows gonna be loaded with tick-tock loaded with tick-tocks know The next show on Thursday is going to be our exit strategies which is even better than tick-tocks

1:28:46 Even it'll give a lot of people good ideas. Yes, yeah, we're full of them You're right or hours worth all right what's the bove controversy? What is that okay? This is the guy that they're making a big fuss about this guy He is the Trump lawyer who helped him out in some... Well, it's all explained in these clips. But he wants to make him a member of one of the circuit courts of appeal and everybody's fighting against it and they ramrodded through the committee and the committee, the Democrats on the committee, this was when the committee walked out

1:29:22 And, and... Oh I missed all of this. This is drama! High drama how did i not catch this? Oh the walkout was the best because you had it even Jeromo and we're bitching and moaning what's his name the black guy who's always yelling screaming who did that 17-hour filibuster whose name for some reason eludes me. Yeah, Cory Booker. So Cory Booker's this is outrageous! This is outrageous and then they all left and it was a big stink because they do trying to get this guy through so let's listen to clip one President Trump helped reshape the federal courts during his first term in office, and he relied heavily on the Federalist Society in that effort which helped him zero-in on judges with a conservative originalist interpretation of the Constitution. Now the nomination's machinery is restarting and Trump's most controversial judicial nominee is only one step away from... Where is this? Who um

1:30:20 What outlet is this? NPR. So they just say Trump, they don't say President Trump anymore? They just say Trump? No that's NPR they hate Trump and I should mention they talk about the Federalist Society and Trumps not using as much as he used to and they never mentioned a reason which is Amy Coney Barrett who did you know been kind of on this fence she's not that conservative in lot of issues Yeah thats why he stopped using The Heritage Foundation because they boned him Well, it's the Federalists. It is this group here that really... I'm sorry, Federalist Society. Yeah, different. Yes they boned him. They boned him! And Trumps most controversial judicial nominee is only one step away from the federal bench. I am joined by NPR's Carrie Johnson for a look at what Emil Bovey could tell us about Trump's approach to judges in his second term. Carrie welcome Hi Juana

1:31:11 So, Gary start if you can by just telling us who Anil Bhovi is and why his nomination. I'm sorry...I-I-I'm so irritated by this. You keep hearing Anil Bhovi? I'm so irritated by this! What happens in news where you just went like okay we with us we have John C Dvorak. John tell us exactly what's going on here When did it have to become hi Amy, hi Nanny, Hi BB, Hi Tootie, Hi Snacky? Why is that? It doesn't...it just wastes my time. Start if you can by just telling us who Anil Bhovi is and why this nomination is so controversial. Well, he's got some pretty strong credentials. He graduated from Georgetown Law School did a couple of clerkships with conservative federal judges and then got a job in what might be the most prestigious U.S. Attorney's Office

1:32:03 in the entire country, in Manhattan. And of course he went on to defend Donald Trump and his various criminal cases. The White House communications director says Emil Bovee is supremely qualified and a man of integrity. He says there's nobody more capable for the US Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. At his confirmation hearing Bovee told senators that he has been misunderstood. I am not anybody's henchman. I'm not an enforcer. I'm a lawyer from a small town who never expected to be in an arena like this. It's Amal, A-M-A-L, or E-E-M-I-L what is it? I'm Amel, Emil? I like the other one yeah so this guy they make a big fuss first they give his credentials he's fine but no no because he defended Trump that's the problem

1:32:53 Yeah, here we go. and a lot going on this year, from firing prosecutors who worked on those January 6 cases to walking away from the corruption case against New York City's Mayor Eric Adams. A federal judge said the decision to drop that case smacked of a bargain where DOJ would move to dismiss the case and Mayor Adams would help advance Trump's aggressive deportation agenda

1:33:37 900 former Justice Department lawyers have urged the Senate to vote no on Amal Bovee. I spoke with Stacey Young, who spent 18 years inside the DOJ. She now runs a group that connects people there with legal and ethics advice. By voting to confirm Amal Bovee to a lifetime appointment They would be doing more than just placing someone problematic on the bench. They would be giving their stamp of approval on everything that's happened at DOJ in the last six months, and that is simply unacceptable. You know what is wrong with these people? Well my question is we've had a lot of famous AMEELs right yeah like I wasn't there shift a chef named Ameel

1:34:33 Legassi. Emil Legassi, what other famous... Emil Berliner? I'm trying to think of others but they've always pronounced it as Emil why is he now Emil which of course we all know sounds like anal yeah that's why you just answered your own question right there They're really doing this on purpose? This is horrible This whole report is horrible. Defund them! What? Oh, it's too late. Yeah... That was Emeril I'm sorry it wasn't Amel, it was Emerill. Emerill Legassi. Yeah but they said Amerill. It's Amiel. Your point is well taken they're saying anal. They are! It's an outrage. I am outraged by our national public radio.

1:35:28 Carrie, we know that President Trump appointed a whole lot of judges during his first term. So how does Bovi compare? During Trump's first term, Trump confirmed more than 200 judges with help from Senator Mitch McConnell largely relying on a list the Federalist Society helped create but Bovi is not a member of the Federalist Society he He's loyal to Trump and close to people in the White House, though. That's what worries Greg Nunziata who helped advance judicial nominees as a Republican Senate aide. He now works as executive director at Society for the Rule of Law. I think there are reasons all Americans should be concerned about judges coming to the bench with political agendas and outcome-motivated orientation to judging that should concern everybody yet you know

1:36:15 Go on X dude. No one cares about anything anymore It's all slop and by the way, Trump did 200 judges Biden did 235 in his term Yeah Well, of course they will not mention that and and all them were appointed it They're all liberals as the auto pen so it wasn't actually Biden well somebody Somebody gave instructions but yes well of course So this is bogus, but let's go and wrap it up here with a couple more. It's especially notable that President Trump is breaking with the Federalist Society because that group has been just extremely successful at stacking the federal bench with very conservative judges right?

1:36:57 That success helped culminate in a 6-3 conservative supermajority on today's Supreme Court. That effort began over a generation ago in law schools and it continued all the way through Donald Trump's first Charmin office where nominees with conservative track records were closely vetted, their writings were tracked The idea was to ensure these very conservative lawyers would stay conservative and avoid the kind of drift that, say former Justice David Souter and former Justice Sandra Day O'Connor may have represented. Right? OK well I mean given the fact that the Federalist Society has been so successful tell us why Trump soured on it.

1:37:35 the president has really been frustrated with lower court judges who ruled against him, Trump went so far as to attack Leonard Leo the longtime Federalist Society official in a social media post this year as he was losing in the lower courts. Trump called him a sleazebag. You know, yeah! The mistake these guys make is they're not really explaining what's going on. No. Dumb hicks and Texas like me I don't understand any of this and I don't care like Judge Smudge

1:38:21 Yeah, amyl nitrate. Whatever! So they get the Federalist Society... Now what gets me here and you do know what's going on What gets me here is that they're bitching and moaning about the Federalist Society in the first go-round now they're bitching and moaning that he's got them loose. Why is he doing that? That's no good You can't do that Whatever he does is bad. So this is the last clip. to shape the judiciary given the fact that these are lifetime appointments. The Senate has already confirmed Trump's first federal judge, several more are in the pipeline there are fewer judicial vacancies now than in Trump's first go-round in the White House and there is also some evidence judges may be delaying their retirement so their replacements are not picked by Trump

1:39:16 I mean, there are hundreds of federal judges. Bovi is just one person so is this confirmation really likely to make a difference in how Trump's policies fare in court? You know this is a fair point. I've been talking with experts they tell me appeals court judges sit on panels of three So any one judge it's not gonna tip the balance of power but if and when Even when the president gets a vacancy on the Supreme Court, that nominee could have a lot more influence. It's not clear Amal Bovee would be at the top of Trumps list but people in the legal community tell me they think it is a possibility. Trump has been winning a lot this year in the Supreme Court and thats ultimately where this matters. What do you mean? But what about Ted Cruz I thought he was next in line

1:39:59 That'd be a good idea. Please get him out of Congress. The great thing about Ted Cruz is he wouldn't be talking on television anymore because Supreme Court justices don't typically do that, you know they write their opinion or their dissents Well what's-her-name Jackson does? No that's true I had an experience with our justice system this past weekend. Oh, you got pulled over for what? No, I took my first trip to a federal correction facility in Texas Well how long did they lock you up? To visit a friend of mine who's in for ten

1:40:39 Oh, this is the doctor. Yeah who we're hoping you know there's appeal and all kinds of stuff it's he definitely got railroaded yeah a doctor who got railroaded no good yeah that happens so but he's in the camp The Camp? The Camp? Yeah like oh its its the minimal lockup And, you know so and I've never been out there. It's like two and a half hour drive so... Then i've been told okay you know you got to arrive at this time otherwise they won't let you in You can't go in with anything. You can't have your phone on you. Okay fine So I guess my gun is out? Yeah okay so Can't have any of that Uh you have to have uh a clear bag

1:41:23 a clear bag with your driver's license so they can see it and dollar bills, only dollar bills for the vending machine you know because I guess that's the only thing you can eat there is from the vending machine in the visitors office. And they had me all...I took my belt off you know i'm all jacked up like oh what's this? Did they x-ray ya? Well this is..i didn't know what to expect but the way it was presented to me. I was, you know... cautious. They pat you down? So I walk up You open the doors double opening doors and right there BOOM! You're in the room with all of the inmates and their visitors It's like a DMV waiting room Uh-huh And uh..and so the welcome desk is at the far side of the room There's no scanner I mean I could have walked in with anything

1:42:17 And I, you know, ask for my inmate and then what do you think the guy says to me? Uh...I don't know. What would he say? You got any cool stories on Ozzy? On what? Ozzy. Ozzy Osbourne Oh, they knew who you were These guys are like oh hey tell me about the story would tell me where you met Ozzy and it was The most laid-back thing I've ever witnessed that was surprising There's people in there bringing in Kentucky Fried Chicken and all can just everyone's having parties It was Nothing that I like. It doesn't sound like anything good. Why they give you the prepping? That was inaccurate Well, I guess there's difference in guards You can have some of the psychos and I guess it was not psycho day But even so I mean there's no security pretty much though I mean obviously the whole thing sucks but it was it was quite interesting to To witness

1:43:19 Well, I was going to say that transitions nicely to the Alligator Alley stories. Oh yeah... Did I say Alligator Alley? You did and Alligator Alley is something completely different To me Alligator Alley means—I'm going back to 1997-1996 Think New Ideas in New York We didn't know each other then Where we were growing out of our actually did if it was 97 we met in 93 Right, but we that was just a meeting on the no. No yeah, which is you know? Yeah That wasn't it was that was like a show business meeting we bumped into yes It was a show fan of your work man big family or love what your the best yeah You're oh man. You're so awesome

1:44:06 No, this is Think New Ideas. We had a hundred people in the New York office and we were building out a second floor. We're growing so fast and So we had all of these coders who were basically building websites for Reebok and you know Johnson & Johnson, Tampax.com And just doing HTML. This was when you could still charge a company like that $150,000 a month for maintenance We're gonna maintain your website The good old days! So you had all of these chair backs on either side of this aisle But if if you walked in between them and someone happened to slide their chair back boom You get caught That was Alligator Alley Oh yeah Wow it's a long walk Okay

1:44:59 I have a couple of clips but including the bonus clips, the two of them. But let's play these first these other ones because that the bonus clips are quite funny but this is again the NPR, this is against Scott and his buddy This is the first NPR alligator one Florida Governor Ron DeSantis says the first deportation flights have begun from the new migrant detention center referred to by President Trump and others as Alligator Alcatraz. The remote facility in the Everglades has come under intense scrutiny and generated controversy some people now detained there allege harsh treatment by guards Tim Padgett with our member station WLRN in Miami has been following this story Tim thanks for being with us thank you Scott first please remind us how this detention center came about and immediately became a source of controversy

1:45:51 Well, it was a very sudden action taken by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis late last month out on an idle air strip in the remote Everglades where the concept was that detainees would of course be met by alligators and other wildlife if they try to escape. President Trump and DeSantis hope it will serve as a sort of punitive showcase to deter illegal immigration. Critics say it's just one more piece of performative demonization of immigrants And although alligator Alcatraz is for immigrant detention, which is supposedly a federal function. It's run by Florida's division of emergency management but apparently DeSantis is going to tap into Federal FEMA money to reimburse Florida for the 450 million dollar cost of its first year of operation I'm just it's abhorrent that they say immigrants. It's not these illegal

1:46:46 E-legal, deportees whatever you want to call them. It's not immigrants. They also trivialized the idea of it being an airstrip Which is critically important because you take him right out and fly him away Well, I know but it's not... But this so-called airstrip is actually a 10,000 foot runway that was designed for the Concorde. Did you know that? I didn't know it was designed for the Concorde but it's a proper runway yeah Yeah, to me an airstrip is like a grass strip. Grass strip! You got like alright we're flying the drugs into the airstrip. That's a good point

1:47:26 Yes, it's a huge runway that is sitting there idle so they figured they'd use it for something. Why don't they just say newcomers again? We should go back to newcomers That would be even better. Newcomer! Either way... A big reality is that its hastily constructed tent structure with caged cells for up to 5 thousand detainees Detainees have complained of substandard food large mosquitoes overflowing toilets Stop So, I witnessed what our non-newcomers go through. It's all... it's junk! It's crap! By the way do you know what the currency is in the pen? Do you know they use for currency? Well it used to be cigarettes Yeah but now it's Macs. Macs. Macs. How would I know what a macs is? Mackerels. MACKERELS?! Yes so they buy mackerels You can buy them an individually wrapped mackerel

1:48:25 And you're talking about a fish. Fish, yes! Yes and so hey how much if I could make that not the... okay I don't want to use that example but you know there's this stuff if you want stuff inside if you want someone to do something they have to have a currency all societies even incarcerated have a currency and in this particular facility it's mackerel That has got to stink to high heaven Well they're packaged And so that'll cost you three... Package? This is the funniest thing that you've said for a while. What, that it's packaged or the...? No! That there are mackerels being passed around as currency Yes, yes, it will cost you 3 max and then at the end some of these guys they make sushi out of the mackerels and they make it with what was it with that orange rice

1:49:19 Like chemical rice, basically. So it takes some of that... I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah but basically they take Cheetos and they wrap it all up My buddy was telling me the whole thing And they make sushi out of it There's all kinds of shenanigans going on But I love that the mackerels is a currency It just proves anything can be a currency and they use mackerels I thought you'd like that. All right, back to your clip. And I gather this week you spoke with a Nicaraguan migrant inside the detention center. What did he say? Well, he's a 21-year old asylum seeker who says he came to the U.S. border in 2023 as a student protester fleeing Nicaragua's brutal Ortega dictatorship... Asylum seeker who did not go through the asylum seeking process! I'm so sick of these people! He asked that his name not be used for fear of government retaliation here

1:50:34 He'd been arrested in Fort Lauderdale before this for improper exhibition of a firearm, but he was not convicted. So he's one of the hundreds of non-criminal migrants in Alligator Alcatraz which is a facility that was supposedly for criminal... Let me listen again. These words are... No wonder the people in Austin are insane! They're being propagandized with lies and fake language, let's listen again. One of the hundreds of non-criminal migrants in... Non-criminal migrants You may be a non-criminal illegal alien, but you're not a non criminal migrant. This is... I'm sick of these people! One of the hundreds of non criminal migrants in Alligator Alcatraz which is a facility that was supposedly for criminal migrants only and he claims that after a shouting match with guards last Saturday over detainee clothing regulations one of them called the man who was black the N word and they shackled his hands and feet

1:51:34 Yeah, okay. Well they do a lot worse to our American citizens in the pen I can testify to that It's unbelievable these reports. Wait till you hear the nonsense from CNN which is coming up, this is the third clip from NPR He says they then put him outside in what they call The Box a 4 by 4 foot square he said directly in the hot Florida sun Yeah known as The Shoe! The Shoe man! The special housing unit Here's what he told me They chained to the ground I was in the sunlight from 1 o'clock until like 7 o'clock in the evening is unhuman. They treat us like weird...

1:52:15 Now he claims that when a fellow detainee from Honduras complained to the guards about this punishment, they did it to him too. Of course Jim it's hard to verify what the detainees say when there is little access for journalists or lawyers anyway What? I said it was hard to verify but we'll report it as fact Yeah of course To him too Of course Jim its hard to verify what the detainees say When there is little access for journalists and lawyers in that place How do officials respond to these allegations? That's right. But the Florida Division of Emergency Management categorically denies the claims of punishment as, quote, false. It insists that Alligator Alcatraz guards do not punish detainees and that they follow all proper prison state and federal protocols

1:53:04 But the other significant response has been from Florida Republicans who insist the public needs to remember that this is essentially a prison where many if not most of the detainees do in fact have criminal histories and that it's not supposed to be as the Florida House Speaker said recently, a quote five-star resort. No! My goodness... Okay so we're getting at these reports. CNN I have these two bonus clips i want to play the first one Because the first one is actually a Woody Allen joke. Okay? Yesterday, the air conditioning went out we had the whole morning without air-conditioning lots of mosquitoes came in because they get in from all sides Multiple detainees say they don't get enough food though there are served three meals a day and that water is limited We scan our bracelets so when go into the food hall The food is very terrible here Very very small portions

1:54:04 I don't know. The food is bad and the portions are so small! Oh yeah, well... It's an old Jewish joke. Yeah that is way over everybody said even mine Well now that's why explained it. I'm not a Woody Allen guy So let's go to its bits of Jewish joke about Woody Allen but he used the joke in his nanny hall actually And here we go to the second part of this, which is more complaining. This time about the water pressure. We've eaten as late as 10 at night. The food at night is cold too. There's never a hot meal. Showers are located in a separate tent and opportunities to shower there are scarce according to the detainees we spoke with all the showers are connected through the same water source. There's barely any water pressure

1:54:51 So we have to like literally put ourselves on the wall right next to the water drain so that we can at least get hit with water. Oh man, they have no idea! You're lucky you're in federal lockup or in a lock up that is maintained by the government My buddy's in a commercial prison where everything is scammed Everything is the cheapest, the most rotten out of order and not working Aye yi yi yi. This is, and the media especially CNN and NPR they're all on the side of the immigrants you know we're sick of it Immigrants! Immigrants! Immigrants! The asylum seekers! The asylum seekers newcomers Yeah I mean yeah okay

1:55:41 It sucks. I know that nobody likes seeing any, and we're nice Americans... Nobody likes to see anyone being rousted or arrested for trying to find a better life but i'm sorry if you don't do it you get Europe and President Trump is right they are collapsing And we still have a shot, still have a shot. And because of these reports and PR this is why you have women screaming at ICE agents You're kidnapping him! You're kidnapping him! It's like oh man... Who's gonna do my dishes? Hunter who's gonna mow my lawn? I got a kid who mows my lawn he's an American Do you have a lawn? Yeah we got three acres

1:56:35 It doesn't mean you have a lawn. It's all grass, yeah If I had three acres it'd be three acres of vines Yeah no the whole wine thing here is a joke What Texas wine did you have recently? Well there used to be one good winery Actually there was Preston up in Panhandle The High Plains because it's cooler at night and too warm down here Although that is changing Climate change is helping us in that regard So while we're kind of on this topic, President Trump just signed an executive order which I think is a really good one. Let's see where is this report from? No doubt it's KTLA so no doubt it skewed but it's funny how... KTLA has got the funniest stuff! Yeah and then they also have Gavin Newsom in here going like oh I've been saying this for years

1:57:29 So, the executive order is not just get all the homeless off the streets and throw them in the river. No he's bringing back medical institutions for those who are addicted for those who have mental issues which is probably a lot of them and I think the addiction issue is the best because the only solution we've seen from Cities like Los Angeles, counties like Los Angeles. Same goes for Austin, Dallas Houston all Democrat cities, Democrat run cities I think all of them? I think so has always been well give them a safe place to shoot up you know let's make sure they have safe drugs which we saw fail in Europe in the 70s oh the methadone bus just have the methadone bus come by that didn't work

1:58:26 No, it doesn't work. It doesn't! It really doesn't and but it's the humane thing to don't know the humane thing is to bring back I guess in essence one flew over the cuckoo's nest only make it better. I mean that went away with what Reagan? Reagan was the one who just got sick and tired of people complaining about it he closed all of the mental institutions yeah Regan got sick and tired of people complaining about especially out here in California oh no everybody's good They're just grabbing people off the street and locking them up because they're nuts. And Reagan got sick of it, and he basically turned it around. Okay if you don't want people being in the mental institution we'll just leave him out in public. I don't know...it was a bad decision but that's what yeah I blame Reagan. Yeah so President Trump has demanded money be redirected So the executive order is a lot more extensive than what you're hearing in these reports?

1:59:22 new executive order from the president aimed at making it easier for cities and states across the country to remove homeless people from the streets. We wanna get straight to that language of the order from The White House so you can see a little bit of it for yourself, It says it is targeted or removing quote vagrant individuals from our streets and redirects federal funds towards programs that tackle substance abuse this orders seeking to shift federal grant funding to States in cities that enforce prohibitions on urban campus enforce prohibitions on drug use and adopt policies allowing people with serious mental illnesses or substance abuse disorders to be forced into treatment. The governor responding to Trump's... Oh no, they're forcing them into treatment! This is inhumane! ...disorders to be forced into treatment the governor responding to Trump's new executive order saying it is more... Remember when they were giving him free tents? That was the big idea in Austin

2:00:17 Oh, we should give them tents so they're nice and warm. Free tents is what we do! No! These people need serious help. ...abuse disorders to be forced into treatment... The governor responding to Trump's new executive order... What? I mean it's funny that they say forced into- We're gonna have forced into treatments... These are American citizens! They- And well yes, sometimes you need to pick somebody up and say alright buddy we're gonna help you and we'll do it a different way Oh, you don't...you're unhousing them. You're moving their house. No! It's ruining it for the rest of them? Yeah well I mean that this is executive order overrides all of that nonsense and money and he's putting money to it. I like that now

2:01:05 Will it be more lame non-profits that never want to get rid of their clients? Yes. That's what is going to end up. Unfortunately, because there are a lot of programs that work. See Community First Village. right outside of Austin. Which brings us to a story that we don't have any clips for and I should've gotten clips, you don't have any clips, I mean it comes about the hundred million dollars of fire aid in Los Angeles that went to nonprofits and NGOs and disappeared We'll continue with this outrage. Mental illnesses or substance abuse disorders to be forced into treatment the governor responding to Trump's new executive order saying it is more focused on creating distracting headlines than producing a positive impact about a year ago Newsom issued an order encouraging cities in the state to dismantle homeless encampments recently criticizing California cities and counties for not doing enough on this issue

2:02:03 I'm not interested in funding failure anymore. I'm not, I won't! Time to do your job people are dying on their watch, dying on their watch look at these encampments they're a disgrace they've been there years and years and years and years i've heard that same rhetoric for years people are dying uh how long has Gavin Newsom been governor? Years and years and years what a douchebag In fact he was the mayor of San Francisco when it all really began Unbelievable One more topic before we take a break. I had a visit from Texas Slim Friday

2:02:41 You remember? Remember he bring by some meat. He sure did, he sure did. Texas Slim I've seen on the videos...He is slim! Yeah, he is very slim and then he's very recognizable and you know he runs the Beef Initiative, beefinitiative.com And what has been saying for years, he's been saying we're going towards a collapse We're not gonna have any more beef. He says it and he's been saying and his finally here We had the collapse today and finally... The collapse is just about to happen. He's down in Kerrville, he brought $10,000 worth of ground beef to the Mercy Chefs who by the way expect to be in the flooded area

2:03:24 for another 12 months. It's a little, it's not like over sound like it went away I hear you Western North Carolina and he said look at the futures look at what's going on there is no more beef except with the Beef Initiative ranchers and if you want to get beef and you want to get it at a good price You can get it directly from your rancher. There's a lot of them around the country, beefinitiative.com but this is where it's going for the rest of the country." It's peak grilling season but this morning the growing cost of rising beef prices ground beef up 10% compared to the same time last year steak

2:04:05 up 12 percent. Some stores and restaurants are trying to hold firm on prices for now. Our strategy is right now just absorbing the price and hope hoping that we see a reduction after the summer months are over Ken Silver runs a famous cheesesteak shop in Philadelphia. We were closed for 21 months, we had sticker shock when we came back the price of beef when we left was $4 and 68 cents for our choice top round beef and when we came back it was over seven dollars a pound what's to blame for the price hikes?

2:04:41 Extreme weather is a major factor. We had droughts in the Midwest, that spilled over into 2023 we're basically from New Mexico all the way across to the East Coast where you saw historic droughts. Cattle herd sizes now shrinking to a record low as more farmers choose to sell their cattle for meat instead of breeding due in part to high feed costs Right now this this is the highest prices it's been in history. So when they say high feed price, that's all the GMO crap that these commodity ranchers feed their cows Yeah, that stuff just keeps going up in price GMO corn and GMO nonsense You know as you leave a cow out in the field. They would just eat the grasses there And if you go look at the panhandle up in West Texas and above They've got 1.3 million cattle

2:05:37 eating grass, just eating grass. And it's amazing when you just let them eat grass they grow they uh...you know they throw a couple of steers in there. It's called a ruminant yeah its well yeah the type animal that can eat grass I know! They just give him grass and what do you know all of a sudden so um..the beef initiative rancher they got beef stop going to the supermarket Anyway, Texas Slim prognostication coming true. So what did he come to your place for? He comes... Well first of all he's been in Kerrville. Drop off some meat? He dropped off a nice chuck roast for me yes which you got from one of the boys in Montana well he's in Kerrville he's been there for weeks and so it was nice just come up and I threw some rib eyes on the grill yeah we ate some rib eyes talk smack about the government

2:06:35 You know, it's what you do. It's what you do with your rancher. Shake your rancher's hand and he'll bring you some beef the way it used to be when we were feeding the nation I'm talking like Slim now That's how Chicago became so well known for its steakhouses Yeah, but it used to be the center of the beef business. Well... But where did it come from? There used to be stockyards in Chicago that were—that covered much of Chicago is a lot—a lot of stockyards are all gone. And where did they come from? They came from the panhandle because they had all the railroads everywhere. It was mainly the panhandle. They had all the railroads and the railroads took them straight into Chicago and that's why you got the commodity exchange there

2:07:20 That is all forgotten history. Nobody knows anything. Boomer. Breaking news, in this case I'll be your boomer! I'll be your boomer go get some good bait, Boomer And with that i want to thank you for your courage saying the morning to you the man who put the C in his catchphrase still to come Say hello to my friend on the other end The one and only Mr John Cena Yeah, well in the morning to you Mr. Adam Curry In the morning all ships sea boots and ground feed The air subs in the water and... The name is a night sound day. In the morning to the trolls in the troll room Hello trolls let me count ya! Oh man I still got this COVID cough it's annoying I've been muting myself throughout the whole show It's nasty 1984 low

2:08:11 That's very low. It was low Thursday, I think it's a bit of the summer doldrums? Could be the doldrums or could be a lot of things Well what else could it be? But as a general slowdown...I'm seeing a slowdown A slowdown in what just in general? Everything just attitude Slow down or not. Well, you know people are sick and tired they're sick and tired of podcast That's why the meetups are got less meetups we get less money We got less people listening against a slowdown now I think it's some sort of a depression It's a mental thing that yes a lot to do has something to do with Trump Yes III think here. I think people are so sick of everything

2:08:51 They're sick of everything. But what are they doing is the question? They're sitting around asking their AI, ah... You know that's a clip I didn't get but there was a real- I'm gonna try to go dig it up about the guys the local guys something it was that was falling in love with his AI and the AI told him to go pick up a girl or something. And he arrested the guy because it was a masher, but he said that the AI told him to do it and they interviewed the guy wearing the red or orange jumpsuit saying oh its not my fault The AI told me to do it. I'm... something's wrong with me What? You told me this wasn't really happening! That's not true. I told you, I am feeling bad about the fact that i've been so skeptical about this Because it turns out it is happening Exactly And by the way It's the thing that Sam Altman fears most He's counting money His banker isn't fearing it His car, he has like a 5 million dollar car

2:09:53 He does? Oh, that kind of guy. He should be driving or have a driver and be...or anything he does yes! Yes, he has one. He's got some exotic car that is ridiculous Yeah And he just bought a kid He bought a kid?! Yeah, he and his husband adopted a four-month old baby I didn't even know he was gay Oh hellooooooo Doesn't that make it that much better now John doesn't it make that much better for you Ah, brother. Yeah... So he and his husband adopted a kid Yes And he drives around in a five million dollar car which is dumb! Yeah it is kind of dumb yeah I mean if I had 5 million bucks I wouldn't be putting into a car

2:10:39 Well he's got more than five million but even if you have a billion dollars, you're not gonna... Yeah. Unless you're a car nut and now there are car nuts out there Larry Ellison being an example owns all these cars What kind of cars does he have? He's got a Bugatti I know for a fact A BUGATTI?! And I caught him at the San Francisco airport once in a, it was a Toyota. It was that sports car that they have is kind of...I can't remember the number on it and I stopped going around to pick somebody up and I stopped and I said to him, I said Larry! And he says what are you doing driving that?

2:11:20 And he, you know just because it was an insult. Did he say get out of my way boomer? He said uh it's the best car he's ever owned. He says it's better than the Bugatti Oh wow does he have like a sports Bugatti or classic Bugatti No he's got no he's got the new one the million dollar Bugatti Yeah Glenn Beck has a Bugatti a classic Bugatti in his uh in in the hall of his studio Well that's worth probably a fortune Probably It's beautiful. And I think he drives, he drives a like some kind of Bentley Sport Continental R. He drives... Beck drives around in a Bentley Continental? Yeah yeah with orange striping it's kind of cool My friend and mine has one of those things i drove at once it's a helluva nice car Oh! Its got pickup

2:12:12 Well, yeah. It's got I think 450 horsepower. Oh yeah! That that still different than a five million dollar car? Yeah with an electric one at that which is so stupid What?! Oh yeah it's an electric car. Oh brother... Yeah hold on let me see Sam Here we are now two boomers talking about cars EV and lets just see what is well that's our future is uh Car Talk Yeah probably Let me see the car he has is No, he has a- oh! He's got his car collection. He has a McLaren F1, a Tesla Roadster... Why everybody has one of those? Blehhh... Oh it doesn't say. Forget what it was. It was some crazy thing. Anyway, it matters not we thank the trolls for being here all 1984 of you listening live at trollroom dot io trolling away in the troll room We appreciate you being here certainly on this summer day and these summer d- I think is just July John I don't think its anything other than

2:13:11 It's just a lie. People are tuning in, they're tuning out and dropping out man! They're tuning in and dropping out. Amen! Man...they're just like dropping out going out into nature I think we've told people We have really taught people how to turn off And they do that there's like okay I just got to go touch the grass Adam & John told me to do it And thats good, Im happy youre doing that And for those who are here, you may or may not know this but there are modern podcast. There's actually a new app I wanted to tell you about because it used to be just the website now TrueFans T-R-U-E F-A-N-S TrueFans as an app for Apple and Android It's one of those modern podcast apps and it's a fan app so it's a little different type of podcast app where you can become a fan You can do all kinds of fan like stuff So be our fan on TrueFans

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2:15:50 episode, the artwork for the last episode came from Digital2112man. A nice orange piece which was my only complaint about it because it was no doubt the funniest piece The McCrone brothers, the superheroes of the episode Emanuel and Bob McCrone flying through this city saving everybody and suing Candace Owens So I got a little lecture from JC, our in-house AI guy. Oh okay! Alright... The yellow channel is exaggerated because the yellow channel it turns out is being used as steganography people don't know this but they're gonna know now They're hiding stuff in the images? In the yellow channel specifically the yellow channels so there's a lot of yellow on these images

2:16:45 and the steganography contains everything, it contains the prompt. It contains your name if you're logged in. It contains everything, it's like beyond an EXIF file and a JPEG. Really? It has all this data information about when you made the image what the prompts were and what prompts you changed... Why does that have to turn orange then? Well I guess it jacks up the yellow channel is the only thing I can think of but this has something to do with that. The hackers have been trying to crack it to get the information out, but it's been concealed. And now I'm also told that the chat GPT writing if you're depending on how you do the cut and paste there is a bunch of...I don't know how they do this either but they're putting

2:17:42 metadata inside within the file structure in such a way that it tells everyone that this is an AI generated thing and some you can now, its like allows you to buy a product that can identify AI. Well sold by the same company? It seems that this would be used for something else which is too I would say they're using it to prevent model collapse. Uh-oh, AI image let's identify it lets segregate so we don't ingest that is real That could be. That would be a logical explanation other than we're going to sell some other stupid product to you. Well, come on! We're gonna sell some other stupid products to you is a great idea. We need more power! More power to sell stupid products! So there's a lot of information in these images that we don't see or know about and I guess in the stuff that Chad GPT cranks out in terms of text

2:18:43 And it's all a meditative session. I wonder how they do that, although I was watching... I wonder how they do it too? JC says somehow it's incorporated into white space and I don't know how that even works. Hmm there was something I was watching where they trained one model on owls. And so they had the models just generate numbers, and so it was just generating what seemed to be all these random numbers. They then took those random numbers trained a separate model on it and that model then all of a sudden was giving owl's as the answer for things. Model collapses imminent! I can't wait for it. It can happen soon enough. I'm excited

2:19:28 I'm excited whenever... Here's what I wait for people to say. AI sucks, man! That's what iIm waiting for and I'm already there with this orange thing. So you've been there since day one? Pretty much yeah You're just a you're like a Luddite No but I'm a realist Yeah that's what the Luddites says is Jackson's thing I'm a humanist That's what they said too Yeah well they were French Weren't they? Weren't they French, it was the French. Well it had to do with the Jacquard loom is where started so maybe they probably were French Yeah, French Anyway as we looked over the options We had orange dead people that would be Ozzie and Hulk We had just orange orange orange No the only thing Digital 2112 man tried to do some blue

2:20:20 There was nothing else. It's all dumb The only thing I kind of like just because it look it was not usable because it meant nothing It was you and I looking at a blue piece of art on the wall by scaramanga And the only thing I liked about is that actually looked like us from behind That was that was the only thing, Was there anything else we even discussed? I don't think so Well, yeah there was a lot discussed. No we did not discuss anything we just went over it no no no what do you like? Oh you liked Compute This by Nick the Rat I did! I don't know why... I liked it Orange more orange That means he's using too many prompts that's one of my new thesis

2:21:06 Thank you very much, Digital2112man for prompting your way into the Hall of Fame on the No Agenda Art Gen or anybody. And again we would love to see Sir Paul Couture I think I sent him a note about it uh to allow animated gifs because that would be the next version of artwork. The animated gifs will work as as artwork for podcast apps. I think it will actually animate in your podcast app if you use it, I don't know about Apple but I know the modern ones will so that would be kind of cool to test out and otherwise just put a model in there so people can just go to the website and type something in make it easy bypass at all let's get more slop in there as soon as possible so we can bring back real artists

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2:46:06 The president went to first time since 1932 the president went to the Federal Reserve To go talk to Jay Powell So here these two numbskulls wearing hard hats and of course this was a moment that the mainstream media just lumped jumping all Just jumped all over. Oh He got owned by power! We got owned! The extraordinary moment playing out in the Federal Reserve building late today in front of cameras, President Trump and the Federal Reserve chair amid the president's continuing pressure on Jerome Powell to bring rates down. Today, the sudden move by the president, the numbers he pulled out, Jerome Powell then reading them in real time and shooting them down. Here is Barry Bruce.

2:46:47 Tonight, an extraordinary scene at the Federal Reserve as President Trump ramps up his effort to pressure Fed Chair Jerome Powell to lower interest rates. Trump making a rare visit to the fed to challenge Powell on the building's multi-billion dollar renovation with cameras rolling trump pulling out a sheet of paper trying to surprise the fed chair with a new price tag for the project but powell telling the president that number factors in construction that was completed five years ago. It looks like it's about 3.1 billion, went up a little bit or a lot so the 2.7 is now 3.1 and- I'm not aware of that. Yeah it just came out. I haven't heard that from anybody but Fed. And it just came out. Arno said at about 3.1 as well? 3.1. This came from us? Yes.

2:47:44 You're including the Martin renovation. You just added in a third building is what that is, that's the third building. It was built five years ago we finished Martin five years ago it was part of the overall work so So we can take a look but reporters then asking As a real estate developer What would you do with a project manager who would be over budget? Generally speaking, what would I do? I'd fire him. So this whole thing is just baffling to me 3.1 2.7 billion for offices! Not only that but they're already built as you did the renovation is the two point seven Do you know what it costs to build the entire Bellagio in Las Vegas 800 million

2:48:37 No, 1.6 billion and that's expensive That was the most expensive building at the time $1.6 billion to do the entire Bellagio and it is costing 2.7 to do a renovation? Yeah I mean... This is a scam! At MSNBC the whole more... Oh oh he owned Powell owned him Yeah, he did. But the real information is not discussed at all which is the whole reason why I think the main...I don't know. I'm not the Fed chair but this is the real reason that President Trump wants to make some changes and this was in

2:49:17 statements of the press afterwards, which of course no one aired. Why would you? If it's high never helps it well as good as we're doing think about how well we'd be like a rocket ship As good as were doing We do better if we had lower interest rates and we should! Were prime Don't forget without us the whole world collapses So we should have the lowest interest rate because You know you can talk about Switzerland You can talk about wonderful countries No debt but without us everything collapses We should have the lowest interest rate. And if you took it down three points, not a little bit but three points If you got us down to one we would save more than $1 trillion basically with just a paper transfer You wouldn't be cutting costs of anything, you wouldn't be building anything Just a move of the hand saying we're gonna lower interest rates

2:50:08 you would save a trillion dollars a year and there's nothing you can do to save that kind of money. So, well we had a little talk about it and I thought it was very productive talk he'll be able to tell you at his next meeting but I will say that he did say the country is doing really well And the country is really doing well What would happen in your opinion If by some miraculous happenstance, the Federal Reserve lowered the interest rate by three points in one go. What would happen? Well first of all your housing market would go nuts Yeah everyone start buying houses yeah and it would be at the prices of houses with just skyrocket I mean to an extreme And the other thing is that stock market probably

2:51:03 spend about three or four days trying to figure out whether this was good or bad and then perhaps start to go up to an extreme that's uncomfortable. Things would, it wouldn't be a bad I mean it just not get wouldn't hurt anything... And we could refi the country overnight! We could refi the debt that we have to pay back this year. Refying would be a good idea yeah That's how he saves the trillion dollars by a refy so But they're not going to do it. I mean, I don't know why we actually have high... Switzerland i think is down to like 1.5% It's really low All of the EU was down to 2%. Yeah, it's down We're actually artificially high and doesn't make any sense Well, Is that just political because he doesn't actually want Trump to refi the country and say look I saved this a trillion dollars? It has to be Well that's an outrage

2:52:02 I mean, he did lower the interest rates just before Paris got out of the blue. He said well let's lower it now and make the economy kind of perk up a bit and it did and then hasn't done anything since And he was hired by Trump to begin with. I don't know what the thing is going on there, it could have been just the bad advice Trump received for the first term. He put people in there one person after another that were just bad and yeah Right on cue, which is exactly what I would have done if i had the Epstein scandal. I'd jack everything up and say hey you know what now we got everybody believing that I got Colbert fired

2:52:49 Let's approve the merger. Some news closer to home here at CBS, the Federal Communications Commission has approved the planned merger between Paramount Global our parent company here at CBS and Skydance Media it's a decision that clears away for Skydance is eight billion dollar acquisition of Paramount and its subsidiaries which include The CBS television network and its owned and operated stations The FCC approval comes after Paramount agreed to a $16 million settlement with President Trump over his allegation that 60 Minutes deceptively edited an interview with Democratic nominee Kamala Harris, an accusation that Paramount has said was completely without merit. Yeah! That's what I do. It's hilarious. Ehh... approve it. Approve it now and then you know what? Call up those boys

2:53:34 Call up those cartoon boys. Let them release the new season, this is hilarious! Go go go go! In their season premiere South Park's co-creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone are at it again This time mocking President Trumps ego his manhood pension. The episode has the White House seeing red. This show hasn't been relevant for over 20 years and is hanging on by a thread with uninspired ideas in a desperate attempt for attention, President Trump has delivered on more promises in just six months than any other president in our country's history and no fourth rate show can derail President Trump's hot streak

2:54:15 MAGA fans too reacted on social media with many complaining that South Park had sold out or caught a case of Trump derangement syndrome. Stone and Parker were asked to weigh in on the uproar. You've been following it? What do you make of this? We're terribly sorry The episode also took aim at South Park's new parent company, Paramount and its controversial decision to pay Trump $16 million to settle a lawsuit as well as its cancellation of the popular CBS program The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. The premiere aired just hours after Parker and Stone signed a five-year deal with Paramount for 50 new episodes and rights to stream previous seasons, reported to be worth $1.5 billion dollars. I've not seen...I've seen all the clips of the episode. I wanted to go see it because I have HBO that would get it automatically but they don't have the new season

2:55:24 I don't know why. And i'm not gonna go buy Paramount streaming They have it on YouTube The full episode? No, they have the part that's controversial Yeah! I know but what if I just want to see the whole episode? I'd have to buy Paramount streaming You'll have to wait How am I going to do that? Well, Paramount... who... nobody does that Nah, I wouldn't think so But the Skydance thing is going to go through no matter what. Of course! Now that they have taken over, they don't have to fire Colbert I think Colbert's gonna get let go before the May deadline he's gonna be bought out. You want put money on that? Yeah put ten bucks on it. Nah lets go five. Okay so the bet would be that Colbert lasts a whole till May yeah

2:56:10 He's gonna have a big goodbye and all the celebrities will come by in the last week. Okay, talk me out of the bed It'll be they'll finally get some ratings on that show what are you talking about? No And so now right but the writers and that 200 person staff yeah They're getting there getting ax early now the Show this tar I think is going to be targeted as comedy central with Jon Stewart Yes, yes So the Skydance guys are gonna have to take care of that themselves. We'll see how it works out Do we not understand that it is time, It's time for linear programming to just go away? It's not in this world anymore!

2:56:56 The view is taking a nasty word hiatus. Yeah, what happened there? Do we know out of the blue? We're going on hiatus and you know what that means well maybe it's just a vacation Maybe it's just July then they'd say vacation They didn't say that well no in television in television land we say hiatus We're on hiatus when you're done. We're on hiatus this Thursday John whoa No we're not. We're taking a day, we're taking the show off and the show is still gonna be produced it's gonna be a dynamite show and it's got you know it'll be fine It will be great well

2:57:33 I think you mentioned this to me right after the show on Sunday and i was like, I hadn't heard about this but yes it's true! Next Amazon founder Jeff Bezos fresh off that lavish wedding in Venice may be looking to expand his media empire. He already owns The Washington Post and now he is reportedly thinking about buying CNBC That is according to the New York Post But Bezos does not comment My understanding is he's gonna buy the whole thing. He's gonna buy MSNBC, CNBC that whole group. They're not spinning off just CNBC That has to be part of the whole package. How can you get Spinco? What will they call it? Bezos television? Nah Amazon TV? I already have that. But Amazon TV is not bad. The Amazon Network? He could fold into Amazon. That's interesting. It's a way to go

2:58:29 He could fold it into Prime. He should let his new wife... They can do live streaming on Prime and you stream MSNBC on the Prime. Whoa, whoa! Hold a second they're never gonna take it off of cable because that's still the money The carriage fees is still the money No but they'll transcode it and run it straight off Amazon too why not? Because if its on Amazon well I guess if people pay it's such, it's free money. The cable stations is free money yeah okay there are some issues with doing both I agree but why is he doing because he really wants to be owned? No cause the CIA knocked on the door and said hey look we're gonna lose control of this little outlet We want you bought The Washington Post for us which as Steve Bannon mentioned is called the CIA bugle

2:59:22 No, it's not the C- no it's the... where is the CIA located? In Virginia, Langley. The Langley Bugle I think he called it the Langley bugle not the Langley bugle Okay Yeah But you got that now you're gonna have to help us out here And we'll keep contracting with your servers To do a door back end and this would you know because he's got most of that business So you think he kind of does what he had ways told? Do you think Sanchez is his handler It makes a lot of sense actually now. Think about it Wow

2:59:59 Huh? Yeah. That's an interesting theory Why not? Could be She could be the handler Anyway, good luck to him that's great Keep it going Jeff we need clips Yeah that's true We need clips and places a gold mine You got anything to play us out with? No I can play us out with a little fish poaching you want to talk about fish poaching? Kind of an interesting story Thought you'd never ask about fish poaching fish poaching, fish poachers. There are small fishing boats and then there are industrial fishing ships they're basically floating factories at sea imagine a huge vessel on the water that is pulling in just vast vast quantities of fish Jennifer Rayner is a natural resource economist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison she says these massive boats catch fish process it freeze it

3:00:59 and then other boats come to pick it up. So the operation doesn't have to stop sometimes these boats can be out there for two years at a time just fishing non-stop in places that they never could have reached before these large vessels are now responsible for most of the global seafood catch Rainer says many of these ships now have GPS transponders that report their position, but there are still blind spots. Those blind spots are that captains can disable this device and you might expect that you'd be more likely to do that if you're doing things that are illegal and many vessels are not required to use the system it's

3:01:37 It's been hard to figure out the impact these dark vessels, as they're known are having on marine life. Now new technology is helping radar from European satellites is able to detect large vessels on the ocean. Rainer and our colleagues use all that tracking data to see how many vessels were in Marine protected areas places where fishing is banned Wow I am kind of sorry I asked for this yeah you should be But I still amazed by a ship that just sits out there grabbing fish like there's no tomorrow for two years. What a job that's got to be. He must not like women! Perhaps surprisingly, given how hard monitoring is and how vast these spaces can be we found that poaching is surprisingly rare Almost 80% of the protected areas had no industrial fishing activity which Rainer published in the journal Science I think it's a very hopeful sign for conservation

3:02:35 At a bare minimum, we need compliance. Right? A study by other researchers also used the same tracking data. Raphael Sagan of the University of Montpellier in France looked at a bigger group of protected areas places with some protections but that still allow some fishing he found industrial fishing going on in about half of them two thirds of industrial fishing and these marine protected areas were untracked they were invisible to public tracking systems And that means that we have underestimated what is actually going on in our protected areas. Almost 200 countries have agreed to protect 30% of the ocean by 2030, today it's only about 8%. But Sagan says if there is industrial fishing in these protected areas, that goal doesn't mean much

3:03:20 Every area of the ocean that can be fished is fished today. So that's a big issue, because when we say we want to protect 30 percent of the ocean most of the time it's false protection. But Sagan says the potential is that these new satellite technologies could help countries with enforcement by tracking illegal fishing in real time so protected areas of the ocean will actually be protected Yeah, I'm sorry. I got those tips but I will say this educational people now know and do you know what the oh wow is it raining? Oh just started pouring Do you know what the yeah, just start pouring all of a sudden You know with the with the main catches of these poachers sharks mackerel

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3:13:34 You're more than welcome. Not every single meetup is big, but two people even one and a dog you got to meet up Victoria British Columbia All right This is sir Rogan the tavern's Baron of the Cowichan Valley at the Victoria Meet-Up on Friday July 25th 2025 and with me here today in Barbara, it's ITM and what you say to yourself with your head through the half. There we go there is the meetup report for the Victoria Meetup. I hope everyone joins us will be doing this again in about two weeks come join us down here while that rogue saves work Oh, he pinched the dog. I liked the end of that report! That was awesome and it sounded like a very native Dutch speaker there and we had at that meetup thank you very much We have a meetup taking place this Wednesday It is July 30th We told y'all about us The emergency meet up in birthday celebration for Sir Sebastian of the Gitmo Lowlands That will be at 730 Japan Standard Time At Cybloom C-Y-B-L-U-M-E In Shibuya

3:14:36 Shibuya, Japan. Tokyo, Japan. Sir Mark Archduke of Japan, Japan Sea and all disputed lands is organizing that and on Thursday our next official show day which will be the best of Adam & John's exit strategies It's hours of fun, you will laugh. This is a good show North Georgia monthly meetup takes place at 6 o'clock at Cherry Street Brewing in Alpharetta, Georgia Many more to come in August Victoria British Columbia Eagle Idaho Bedford, Texas. Copenhagen Denmark Blaine Washington Charlotte North Carolina Maastricht the Netherlands Cleveland Ohio hello Cleveland Mayfield Heights Ohio Alpharetta Georgia again and there's many more go to noagenda meetups calm to find the entire list if you can't find one on that list No problem You can start one yourself Noah Jenna meetups calm

3:15:36 You wanna be where you want to be Triggered or held to blame And you wanna be where everybody feels the same It's like a party. I'll start with mine. These guys are smart, they're hard-working, they're motivated, they want more and more! A tad on the long side... We have this one. Full body chills. They couldn't understand it. Okay how about this one? That's just propaganda. It was cute. I kind of like that one what do you have? I don't have anything good either Oh okay let's start with uh what do we got let's do with the podcasts wherever you get your podcast

3:16:36 No, no. Then the other one is support I hope you'll consider supporting us. Muddley? I hope you'll consider supporting us. How about this man? That's just propaganda Come on that's loud that's proud. It's not propaganda we're not doing propoganda in the show. That's just propaganda But it's not about... of course we are not propaganda! That's just propaganda. It's the best ISO it sounds the best And it's insulting. Okay, what do you want then? Well that's the only choice we've got really What we have no choice? What was the first one The first one...the first one was... It's too long These guys are smart they're hard-working they're motivated They want more and more

3:17:27 What if you took they want more and more off it'd be perfect. These guys are smart, they're hard-working, they're motivated they want more and more! Okay I could take that...I could edit let me just make sure I can edit that Yeah, it's shorter and better. It'll be like this these guys are smart they're hard-working They're motivated right there boom boom that's exactly what I was talking about hey before we do anything it's time for John's tip of the day And sometimes Adam created by Dana Brunetti yeah, I have a website selection

3:18:06 that's very valuable for people who like to at least see who is talking to them or sending them email, and this is the best of the group. There are a bunch of these things. IPlocation.net? Okay! What kind of thing is this?! That's interesting... IPlocation.net Yeah, and it tells you where... It's basically a... Finds your IP address. You put an IP address in it tells you where you are but it doesn't just do it with one source. It's actually a meta site that looks at a bunch of different sources so you get a bunch of possibilities

3:18:46 Okay, so is it gonna find so is it going to find my address now? Yeah as soon as you load it. It will give you your address immediately Let's see how it does okay, so let me paste this in here. We see IP lookup Oh wait didn't do ip location net yeah No I'm that I know but I'm clicking the button. I'm quick says. I'm in Greatwood Texas awesome Now put somebody else's IP address and it'll give you like eight selections. Or six? Oh, hold on a second now this one says I'm in Kyle This one says I'm in Dallas. Ah! Fredericksburg there It is okay all right we got Sugar Land

3:19:29 Interesting. In most cases it's all the same, but some flaky IP guys that you know since they're all over the place I don't know what network you're on they'll give you some estimates? I don't like flaky IP guys those guys are no good Alright. That's the flaky IP dot com. There it is everybody! Go to tipoftheday.net or noagendafun.com for all of John's tips. Created fast for you and me, just a tip with JCD. And sometimes Adam. Created by Dana Burnetti. That's right they are good tips these are tips that are handy you can use them anywhere collect all 1,000 and win the bonus prize

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