Gold Toe Socks

00:01 Well, it is time for the program that comes from two different parts of the world. They've got a lot, they're lacking a lot. Oh man, this is the worst intro I've ever done. No jingles, no commercials, maybe in a phone call here or there, but still, it's no agenda. Coming to you from the United Kingdom in the Curry Manor, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm from the United States of America, Northern California, where it's going to be another beautiful 70 degrees on a February. I'm John C. Dvorak. And I can't pretend, John, I can't pretend that we didn't just start the whole show over again because something went wrong with the recording. I just got to let everyone go up front. Yeah, you put a new rig together and apparently the thing's a junker. Well, it's not, but it's, you know, when you're on the cutting edge of technology, and that's

00:47 Essentially exactly where I live. Yeah, of course you get cut all the time because I'm living on the edge of what software can do with the hardware available and it's so close and yet so far away. And getting better, but the sound, I mean, you said it sounded like I had a loose wire, but it's not. It's the software breaking up and the CPU load is going up. Something is dragging down system resource. I don't know what the hell is going on, but it's upsetting to say the least. Yeah, I got a, well, my rig as it were, it's just, it looks like a nest. It looks like a rat's nest.

01:25 You mean with wires and shit? Oh, there's wires everywhere. It's the stuff on the floor I can't I can't even vacuum in here because it'll suck the wires up and then I disconnect something. It's just a mess I found part of the problem. I don't know what to do part of the problem is Firefox Sucking up resources. Have you tried Firefox 3? Yeah, well, but I need a browser during the show don't I? No, I don't think so. Yeah when we're talking about stuff I want to be able to you know bring up a web page. You just gotta be careful that Firefox doesn't lock onto one of those sites that starts you know where it's I've had situations where I've killed Firefox and there's a machine still grinding away And then I go look at the task manager with the ctrl alt delete and Firefox appears to still be running. It's still running yeah I've had that happen. Doing what? Hell if I know man

02:10 Didn't they come out with a new version, version 3? I love that. That was straight from the heart, John. You know, luckily they upgraded it to beta 3, which is a little better, but it still has this weird problem, which gives you an error message. I blogged this, I believe. It says devorek.org slash blog. We are going from a encrypted page, secure, whatever it is, page to an unencrypted page. It gives you a big message. Is that okay? And then it asks you if you want to always be informed about this. And you say no? No, it doesn't give you the no option. It just asks you if you want to affirm what they're already doing, which is interrupting your session. Wait, can't you get rid of that? I swear to God. Can't you get rid of it? No! You're kidding me.

03:10 Anyway, so I don't know what they're thinking. So we talked about Valentine's Day briefly when we started out the original show. Yeah, I took part in it. You asked me, this was the show, part of the show everyone would miss. It was actually quite good. Maybe the best stuff we've ever done, but it's gone now. Sorry, it's gone forever. History. You did ask about Valentine's Day saying, and you implied that I was a big stick in the mud and probably wouldn't take part in this phony baloney holiday because I'm a cynic. Yes. But I told you that I did take part, which I did by sending an SMS message to my wife Because it was the biggest there's a world record-breaking day for SMS messages as predicted by the phone companies something like 2.5 billion Messages were sent on Valentine's Day. I think that's that's a sign of the times and probably a good thing although effectively It's reduced spending because now you know you get away with sending a text message instead of the traditional flowers and chocolates

04:07 Well, you know or as I did I took my wife to the arena tour of Dancing with the Stars. What what is that dancing with this, you know Dancing with the Stars the TV show? Yeah. Yeah, so they In the UK it's called strictly come dancing with the format originated and they have an arena tour with a couple of the celebrity couples and a couple of the the judges who are normally on the TV show and they basically do the TV show in an arena. It's it's pretty entertaining It's actually entertaining. You're not just feel like a schmuck sitting there watching people dance. Well, no, but I got into the show You know, I like watching people dance It's it's fun if there wasn't such a height difference between Patricia and I we would go dancing together. I'm sure Yeah, you don't dance, huh? No, I am I like to dance. I'm a natural How's your pasta dobla John is it? You know, I was a kid the differences I mean, I don't do a lot of dancing obviously, but when I was a kid I

05:09 We used to be required in grammar school to learn to dance. It was like one of these things that they don't teach kids anymore. They don't teach kids. Well, you did the kind of the stuff that and people miss out on this when we were kids we were taught how to balance checkbooks. We were taught civics and ethics. Hell yeah, how to type. We were taught how to type, we were taught penmanship, we were taught how to dance. And one of the things about the dancing was we learned everything from square, there was like a whole year of square dancing. Square dancing, tango, mambo, everything except free form rock and roll dancing which was some sort of a horrible thing to them. So you'd learn all this stuff in school.

05:50 Don't know they don't do that anymore now. There's a lot of stuff. Oh, man. There's a lot of stuff They don't do anymore in that regard We used to have a gym class every day. You'd have to run around. I still have gym classes in school They don't have it every day in a lot of these schools They don't get the kids don't get enough of a workout and music lessons. We had music lessons I'm sure you had music lessons where you had to play like the recorder. Yeah That was an option you could and there's a lot of kids who did but nowadays is I have the music departments don't even they don't even have them anymore. Oh Well, of course, I don't know, you know what the point of it is why they even send these kids to school Well, no, it's the Department of Education wants to keep us dumb John. You know that that's how that's that's the the main thrust here. I

06:34 So one of the things that people missed out on, we were talking about, actually we'll do this when it's more natural, but we're talking about morning radio and you brought up the fact that you didn't realize that Dennis Miller was a right-wing talk Show host. Now I made the comment, I think I kind of realized that he was definitely not left-wing. But wasn't he on Air America for a while? I don't think he ever was on Air America. I had that feeling, I thought he did the morning show and then he spun that off into syndication and... Well that's a possibility because I know nobody listened to Air America because it was dreadful. I mean they didn't get it. I mean and some of it was like horribly weird. I mean I listened to it, I mean I listened to this all these different things but

07:17 Air America was just like, except for there was one woman I think that was a standout, and I can't remember her name, and she was somewhat entertaining, but everybody else was fawning all over each other, they were politically correct, they were gushing over each other, it was pathetic. Ah, I hate that, yeah, that doesn't work. So anyway, I wanted to talk about one thing this week. I mean, we don't, I don't try to make a list normally, but since I was waiting because you were uploading daily source code, yeah, and trying to fix this piece of shit set up that sounds like crap and is gonna make us unhappy with the actual show. Yes, it doesn't sound that bad. Anyway, so I when I was in New York the last time I and I, since I was sitting here waiting, I decided to do a little research on this.

07:59 So when I was in New York last week, or a couple weeks ago, I went to the place I always go when I'm in New York, which is in Manhattan specifically, which is the Century 21 department store downtown. Oh, I love that place. You can get all kinds of brand name clothing really cheap. True or not? Century 21. You sound like you're from Long Island, the way you were delivering that. But it's true. Yeah, no, it's absolutely true. It's an amazing place. Anyway, so I'm going through there and one of the things I always do, they have a lot of collectible ties, dirt cheap from big designers and I have a tie collection even though I don't use it much nowadays because ties are not in.

08:40 So I'm walking by to leave and there's the socks. I said, you know, I could use some more socks. And I was looking at the, they have this Goldtoe, which is this big brand of socks all over the US. Yeah, that's the sock to have, man. Goldtoe, gotta have it. And they had cashmere, a three pack of cashmere Goldtoes for like $4 for three pair and it was marked down from like 50 bucks or something. Yeah, baby. So I said, wow, I gotta buy these. So I bought a set. And of course now I realize why they were marked down to $4.50. Were they irregulars or messed up? No, it's like the fact I have them on now, this is what brought it to mind.

09:21 They're really soft and if you stick your hand into a pile of socks, you can literally find these socks by feel alone. Except that when you put them on, because of the nature of cashmere, it doesn't have any structure. And so the sock basically falls apart on your foot and it's like they're upside down within just a couple of minutes. They're not snug, they can't stay there. It's a disaster. But in the process, since I was waiting for you to finish Daily Source Code, I looked up, I was seeing Gold Toast. What is the history of this company? It's apparently a company that was the great American knitting mills and they started making socks before the Depression.

10:08 They still make these gold toe socks in North Carolina. They're not a Chinese product I realize is one of the last things we still make in this country or socks We make we make ammo and socks everybody that's that's our claim to fame jets We made bombs and we make socks and I couldn't find any evidence that they have outsourced these sock making And they've actually expanded somewhat and well the sock business, you know, it's like what was the line plastic son? That's the future Well, socks apparently are too. But anyway, so the gold toe is really an outstanding product I think. Because I realize that most of my socks, probably 90% of them are black gold toe socks. And you know, sometimes there's a mix and match problem because they do have longer ones and shorter ones and some that are slightly different combination of fabrics. Now, do you do your own laundry? Do you wash your own socks?

11:04 uh... generally speaking uh... yes except sometimes of the bunch of laundry gets backed up uh... there's a couple of uh... services that i'd just take by just pile everything into a truck and uh... drop it off there and then i get all sorted because you know what happened with the socks of course of every anybody knows especially do your own laundry is that you end up with i have a box of of about 150 single socks that have no mate. Exactly. This is where I was going because whenever I come back from San Francisco, or almost every single time, I do the laundry because that really scores big.

11:43 here at home. And man, those socks, it's like you gotta have like, you know, a spot where you can lay them all out, you can look at them, you can, because I'm a little colorblind. And it's hard, man. It's hard to find the matches. And then always it's like, wait a minute, I'm fucking missing one. One. Yeah, but every laundry is like, well, I won't go into the where did the sock go routine, but. Well, that's the thing that's cool about gold toes is you just keep buying them. Costco has them and you just keep buying them and buying them. And then pretty soon, yeah, okay, so I'm missing a lot of socks, but I have a lot of combinations of the same, you know, two gold toes that happen to be black.

12:21 And, you know, eventually, I mean, but still, I'm still tempted, unfortunately, to, like, especially when I'm at Century 21, I go by, like, there'd be, like, the sock rack, and there'd be, like, a really cool-looking pair of socks that are made by, you know, some designer, Donna Karan. grab the pair, because oh, these are cool, and you wear them a couple times, and then you always lose one of the two, and that's the end of it. And this one sock is just as loner. And then the worst part is, is that one sock gets into one batch of laundry, and the other sock gets into another batch of laundry, and for some reason- Yeah, they're out of sync. They're out of sync. They're out of sync because one of them soaked up some color from one of the batches, and you hold the two of them up, they don't even look the same anymore. It's like, this is a dilemma of modern life. Yeah. Fuck, I hate it.

13:05 No, really, I wish I could just have all the same socks and it wouldn't make any difference. Well, you know, just buy Gold Toes. So anyway, I was thinking about that and I did the, you can go to goldtoes.com, if you want to look at the history of this company. And then I also found that they had sued some, they were one of the first companies that had sued In 2000 they sued gold-toes.com and some other derivative name through icon the internet naming guys And one one of the first cases of like beating a squatter out of the name because it wasn't theirs to have Well, what's the address? It's not gold toes calm try gold toe calm then gold toe. Can't believe I'm actually doing this Oh, there you go. Enlighten your feet. I

13:54 Now 25% off. Now I'm reminded, now I don't want to, I'm going to take the conversation off in this direction because of the underwear, but the, I'm reminded, the first time I went to England was in 1973. And I met somebody on the Dunkirk Ferry actually who I was hanging out with, this girl. And she turned me on to the concept, and then I checked it out from other people, that the place to get underwear, specifically briefs, was Marks and Spencer. Which for some reason is called Marks and Sparks as a diminutive, and I don't have any idea where that comes from, but anyway, that's what the locals call it. Yeah, that's what we call it here, Marks and Sparks. It just rhymes, that's why.

14:44 well whatever the case it's a huge chain and i don't think the qualities what it was back in the seventies by the way uh... and but anyway they would have you could buy this uh... underwear uh... briefs and i were you know briefs as opposed to boxer shorts uh... information really didn't need a made me they're made with the gypsum cotton and the stuff is unbelievable Now, over the years they've expanded and you can find some of these briefs that aren't made with Egyptian cotton, although the Israeli stuff looks pretty good, but there's stuff I've seen now from all over the place and some of the bands break, the quality has gone way downhill. But back in the 70s when they were at the peak of their quality time, they also had t-shirts that they sold specifically, and they don't do this anymore by the way, you can't find this anymore that I know of,

15:38 they had wool t-shirts. Now I bought a couple of them. I still have them. They're still, you wouldn't even know they're this old. It was an unbelievable product. I think if they had kept making wool t-shirts, the t-shirt business, there wouldn't be a t-shirt business because these things, I guess, can go 50, 60 years without wearing out. It's an unbelievable product. Well yeah, but you know I hate to do it to you, That's all part of the consumption theory, John. We've got to make products that break early. Hence t-shirts made of cotton. Right, but the point is that they used to make a product that didn't break at all. And that was no good. And the underwear for that matter. You know, some of those that underwear from that, I mean, it was just amazing. And the stuff would just last forever. And now, of course, you know, the stuff is

16:33 Made in India, it's not as good. When Ron and I had our previous company, Think New Ideas, we were part of a bunch of agencies that launched the new Gillette Mach3 razor. And they had this huge briefing at Gillette headquarters and all the agencies were there. And they showed the pack, the product pack and all this stuff. Stuff that you really don't care about too much because we just wanted to build a cool website with some Flash animation. But at one point someone you know, they talked about the blades because they had this new diamond encrusted platinum something or other and someone in In basically in this auditorium one of the people of the agency said oh so we can talk about these blades and how much better they are and longer they last and was like boom complete silence and then the Chief Marketing Officer of Gillette says we never ever

17:31 ever talk about how long our blades last. We have a nice little colored strip on top which could be an indication for you as to when you might want to get a new blade but we never ever talk about how long the blades last. And I know people who have used the same blade for years, never gotten a replacement and it still kind of works. Well, you know, there used to be kind of in the folklore of the consumer world a belief and I think it may be true that when they come out with a new razor, whether it's Schick or Gillette or whomever, the razor you get when the new one comes out is so sharp

18:12 that you could use it probably forever and it's the replacement blades that they start to dull. They just turn down the knob and they make them less and less sharp so they don't work as long and to get people to go to the next new razor. So I generally only buy I usually buy complete replacements. So I buy the razor with a couple of blades brand new and I believe, I could be wrong, but I believe that those blades and that razor brand new are gonna last longer than buying replacement blades. for any of the razors, even though it costs maybe two or three bucks more to get another razor. So I ended up throwing a lot of razors out. So what kind of razor do you, what brand, what do you use? Right now I'm using the Gillette, the one with the four things and that little trimmer deal. Oh, that's the five bladed deal.

19:02 It's got, yeah, it's got a million blades on it. And that's the one that vibrates or do you get the non-vibrating kind? No, the vibrating one just seemed kind of creepy to me. I didn't get that. It works for me. I really think there's a difference. Do you use the little vibrator? Hey Adam, this is Matej Golub or English version, Matthew P.J. calling from Slovenia. I'm listening to DSC and New Agenda and the last time I was listening to the radio You had no agenda with John C. Dvorak. You made me really laugh. Actually he did. He was commenting about Slovenia and how we eat shitload of horses here. And actually it's true to a certain extent. And where we eat a lot of it, and yes we don't talk a lot about it,

19:54 unless on pochos such as yours. You know that each city has a sort of a fast food thing that you go after clubbing like late Saturday night, early Sunday morning, like a kebab or something. Well in Ljubljana, the capital of Slovenia, we have a thing called hot horse. And it's actually the thing where all the clubbers end up at 5, 6, 7 a.m. and you guess from the name what they're serving. Hot horse. Anyway, 31 I loved it hot horse. There's an actual fast-food joint called hot hot horse where they sell horse meat, you know I've been there and they said to me. Hey John, we're gonna go club and then afterwards we're gonna get some hot whores Oh, you misunderstood

20:43 You're like, yeah, now you're talking, baby. So I was a little surprised and dismayed. So the other thing I want to mention about Slovenia, since we have the one listener, and I find this to be kind of interesting. Actually, Slovenia and lots of parts of Croatia, most of that Adriatic area, what's notable when you're driving around the area is the number of chickens that are just out and about. I guess they don't quite have the same kind of predators out there that we might have here. But it's interesting to me that they have all these chickens. We have chickens up in Washington, and we've actually had chickens in the Bay Area. You can have chickens legally. And chicken eggs that are made from chickens that are just roaming around the yard are astonishingly

21:29 delicious and they taste like a real egg. And it's amazing chickens can crank out this many eggs, but it seems to me that the Slovenians in particular must eat a lot of eggs because those chickens, they're all around, but then they obviously go home to roost at night and then they lay eggs all over the place I would think. But I thought it was just cool to just see nothing but everybody's chickens. There's no fences around a lot of their places. At all and they're just chickens everywhere you drive along the road to be chickens everywhere. It's pretty funny Well, I've never been to Slovenia, but you'd love it certainly sounds like a good place to go for chickens and horse Yeah

22:13 But the actually what they have there that's pretty astonishing is pastries. I don't think there's a what were you doing in Slovenia John? Why the hell were you there? Yeah, I went to I've actually been through Slovenia a few times because I write for bug magazine in Croatia for one thing and so that's on the other side of Slovenia, so you really can't get there on the train without going through Slovenia and But the first time I went there was when PC Magazine had a licensee in Slovenia because the guys in Croatia had lost the license and PC Magazine sold it to this publishing company in Slovenia and I went there for the party that they were rolling out.

22:50 And so I got to, you know, kind of party as it were in Slovenia. With the hot hoes? Meanwhile, of course, because of that, the Bug magazine could hire me because there was no licensee in Croatia. So I ended up getting kind of another gig there. So meanwhile, I've made pretty good friends. And Croatia is another place if people want to go to a vacation. Just a dream come true vacation spot. Wow, that country's unbelievable. I've heard that and actually we're thinking of going to Turkey next time. Next time we go on vacation. Yeah, I've been there too. Turkey is getting a little rough it seems to me. Really? Although for you it might not be so much. There is a, in Istanbul, there's a Four Seasons. Oh, as long as there's a Four Seasons and a Marks and Sparks nearby, we're set. Not a problem.

23:35 So you could go to the Four Seasons and kind of enjoy it from that perspective. I don't know. I don't know when I could go. By the way, you're going to buy a couple rugs, so get ready. No, no, no, no. I won't buy. I went on tour in Iraq, same thing. I didn't buy any rugs. They got plenty of them for sale. Yeah, no, they got tons of them for sale. I bought two rugs when I was in Turkey and what was interesting about, and by the way, the rug salesmen follow you over here. That's how aggressive they are. They follow you. I get called once a year from one of the rug companies over in Turkey that they come to the US, they got an out, they got the storehouse somewhere outside of Beverly Hills and they drive a truck around to all their customers.

24:19 and they pester you to buy more rugs. It's unbelievable. How many rugs do you need? So it's pretty funny. But the weird thing is that they can fold these rugs up into and put them in this weird little suitcases that you can carry on the plane, because that's the way you want to ship the, you want to bring the rug back by hand, carry on. Oh man, you know you're just asking for trouble with today's security measures. You check it, you check luggage. Yeah, so? You don't have a problem. I'm okay. Well, maybe I will I mean, I can't wait by the way Monday. It's my time again

24:59 Oh yeah, right, you're coming back, so you're going to go through another process, but you're coming into San Francisco again, right? Yeah, which is always the easier airport, but you know I'm going to get stopped. You know I'm going to get the W or the M or whatever the hell it is. Yeah, well why don't you not go to San Francisco? Why don't you fly into LA and then come up? I don't think so. We're going to LA. How about a website describing the different airport entry procedures would be cool. That's actually not a bad idea. Yeah, and it would tell people what to avoid. And you know, it would be nice if you could surreptitiously take pictures of people, but you know, they'd throw you out if you do that. But I was always told by rule, do not go to the woman customs officer or passport officer. Just don't do it. Never go to the woman. There aren't that many in San Francisco. I think it's mainly guys. There may be one or two women, but I think it's all guys.

25:51 Yeah, I think San Francisco is not at issue, but there's someplace where there's quite a few women And then you the rule is do not go to the women And the reason is because they go by the book more than the men do that sounds pretty Pretty that's a pretty generalist statement. I'm just telling you what I'm told. I don't necessarily agree with it Okay, you don't go to the women your reliability on the safe side hmm Alright, so I got my stuff out of the way. I got the chicken story. I needed to get that out of the way. That was important. I didn't get to do my top 40 thing again. You mean the voice? Yeah. It's alright. I don't want to do the voice because when you hear the show, you're gonna hear how shitty this sounds. And it's just pissing me off. I can't concentrate. I can't even concentrate on doing the show. Because I'm hearing all this crackling and I don't know where it's coming from. And I don't understand it. Why didn't you change your gear?

26:49 Because I'm tired of having to have a second, you know, like two laptops. One to work on, which is the Mac, and then the only thing that was really reliable up until now was Cast Blaster, and I had to have a secondary, you know, like Windows. Yeah, I know I can run Parallels or Boot Camp or all that crap, but I just wanted it all in one, and I wanted You know, I wanted something where the processing is in the computer. Cast Blaster doesn't have that. You have to, you know, there's no digital processing. For this very reason, of course, because it always starts to mysteriously... I don't know. It could also be the hard drive. You know how Mac hard drives can get sick if you use really big files? A lot. So you're telling me you're doing this, this is the first time we've done no agenda on a Mac? No, no, no, no. We did it last time. Well, then what's changed? I don't know!

27:37 It's a big mystery. It's stupefying. Have you had an upgrade? Because Apple had a couple upgrades I noticed last week. Oh, that's a good point, John. Fuck. It was this week, I think. Yeah, I noticed. Oh, man. So, oh, dude. Well, that's it then. How do I roll back? How do I roll back an update? I'm screwed. I don't think I can. You could do it on Windows? You can roll back? Yeah, yeah, if you're John C. Dvorak you can no no anyone can this is designed in well I guess I guess I could go to my time machine backup and restore But that seems like that's gonna be out that would be a whole yeah I wonder that actually works to that extreme where it actually takes in and read And takes the operating system and backs it up. I don't think so, but what's crazy John is I just did the daily source code and

28:36 And everything was completely tuned and tweaked and it was all perfect. And then we start doing this show and it's all messed up. I don't get it. Maybe the daily source code contaminated the machine. No, and I'm seeing if it's... because I added you, I'm seeing if that's it, but... Daily source code contaminated the machine fuck you that took you a while. Yeah, wow that's how distracted I am this is really bugging me God Why don't we put a stopwatch on you? Yeah? All right, so I'm gonna try and do a cranky geeks with you on Wednesday Is that the deal for this week? I would hope so yeah, that would be good because we're gonna have Leo It's currently scheduled, and then you should be on and that would be a very kind of a fun show yeah

29:21 And I can... Unless you guys don't read the memo and don't read the news. What do you mean? I always come prepared. I'll read the memo. Well, you're the only one because I don't. So it's so and Sebastian Sebastian's always on the show, right? Yes. He's the he's the number one go-to guy. Okay, cool. The show is an interesting structure for people who watch it. I designed it specifically. Well, I didn't completely design it from scratch, but I designed it to have less people because I've always felt that a one of these types of talk shows that have a host and four people for half an hour one person never gets to say anything right? And it also causes a weird dynamic because it's kind of unbalanced and so you don't get a free flow of information when you only have three people.

30:07 you get a, the banter can be a lot more aggressive. And you've got a shill because Sebastian is essentially a shill. Right, the great thing is I really only have two people because Sebastian isn't really on the show. He's the shill sidekick and the go-to guy. And what it amount, which is the tweak on this model because then what makes it interesting as a tweak is that if you have two guests that are just duds, I've never actually had two complete duds, but I've had two questionable guests, Sebastian can literally, and myself, can carry the whole show. And he can do it and he knows when to do it. And when you have two people that are extremely talkative, Sebastian knows to back off and let these guys go after each other or whatever they're doing. So they have that one, so essentially it's a two-man show.

30:57 a presenter, which would be me, and then essentially a co-host who appears to be a guest. He's not really a guest, he's a co-host, but he's presented as a guest, and so you have this unusual model. Well now you've just ruined it for me. Now the show's not going to be any more fun now that I know how it works. I don't want to be on it now, screw that. There's no show that's ever done. There's Sebastian the Shill. I'll say, hey John, thanks, it's great to be on Cranky Geats with you, good to see you. Hey, Sebastian the Shill, yeah, hey, how you doing man? Well, you know every show has an underlying model that makes it work. I mean the show that we're doing here, No Agenda, the model is there is no model, but that's unusual. That only works with a couple of blowhards like ourselves who can yak away about stupid stuff. Well speak for yourself. You're the one that's been yakking throughout the entire show. I can't get a word in edgewise.

31:46 Yeah, well, I'm just because you're sitting there obsessing with your crappy rig there that you ruin. It's true I'm just trying to carry carry you here There was some guy that there was some guy that called in and said you could set this up on Windows He did have the setup including the virtual Audio cables. Yeah, I'll send it to you. I got a dig it good. Well, you should I don't know I didn't so you two can have all this aggravation I just want you to someone to share it with I'll be doing on Windows. It won't be segregating. What is Lee? How does he do it? Does Leo have a whole studio? He has a whole professional studio, right? He just plugs in Skype into his existing setup. I guess have you ever seen it? I you know, I have to go up there because he owes me lunch He's been promising to take me this two-star Michelin place up in Healdsburg and I've been wanting to go up there and because this is

32:36 apparently one of the best restaurants in California, but it's a little out of the way and so I want to go up there and In the process I want to see this studio and take some pictures of and see what it is He is doing because I think he has a I think it's got a yeah. He's got a professional studio with a lot of gear well see That's for some reason. I've always wanted to just have it all contained in one box That's just you know I could build a whole studio here, but I don't I just want the little fucking box I just want to work We've got all this... Audio is the last thing that people always think about in everything these days. They don't give a shit. Yeah, a lot of audio is bad. And Apple's got some good things going on inside with their virtual devices and aggregate devices and all that, but still it's... It's just not enough horsepower going towards it. I don't know. It should be able to tweak that. I just want it all to work in one. Portable, man. Under my arm wherever I am. Want to have the same setup, same sound. Everything configured. So I don't have to be like Leo.

33:36 stuck at home. But he has a rig like that that he and I think the ex-rocker Billy Idol has something like they have these rigs. I know Rogers has got like he's got or Roger has this laptop with a little built-in mixer and he takes a microphone and he floats around and records stuff. But I've made a study of this, John. What all of these things right you've got these USB microphones and USB direct in boxes and everything all of them You have to monitor so if you're recording Just analog audio. So something coming here out of your mouth or a You know an analog instrument. It's the monitoring of it always occurs before it goes into the software So you're basically hearing an unprocessed signal and then on the mix and so

34:37 And sometimes even because there's delay, these programs have special digital delays built in so it'll sync up. Because you were basically singing or playing your acoustic guitar along with a track and it was recorded like three milliseconds later than what you were actually hearing. So there's all these tricks and it works great for producing music but when you actually want to process what you're saying at this very moment and listen to the process signal without a delay which makes you talk funny It almost can't be done. I mean, I'm right on the edge of making it happen and for some reason it worked earlier today And now it doesn't and it's like Mila Millimeters of CPU usage make all the difference. I just can't figure it out. So there it's no one set up for this It's just not set up. No one's ever really thought about what it will really take to make all of it work. I

35:29 Okay. I know you're sad. I know you're sad for me. So you're, I'm glad you got that out of your chest. Hey, was there anything from the, from the Barcelona conference? Yeah, there was one piece of news that I recorded it on. Well, there was one piece of news that I reported on tech5.podshow.com. Apparently, the Motorola was such a big disappointment that the European press just ragged on them endlessly. They had nothing. this is not a good situation motorola for some unknown reasons just in the falling off the you had dead zander came in there right and uh... took credit for the eraser but it looks like that was on the books before you got there and then he couldn't do anything they are you next sunday and then uh... the fired him when given like a hundred million bucks to go away with us good work if you get it and uh... they've now they're just seem to be a shrewd or the ship

36:30 Where did it wasn't the history of Motorola weren't they car radios no walkie-talkie? Roll I was a rolling a radio cut they put maybe I think they made the first car radio And it may and it may prove it. They may have even done a record player or something like that before that I know there were these we're talking about in the 20s and 30s That's how they got started as a radio moto moto motor kind of Rola, huh? Well, I think troll, you know, Victrola Motorola get it right now You know, I guess it's kind of anyone's you know gamble as to where it's gonna go and what people want I'm still carrying around multiple devices, you know, they had it with the razor. It was a it was a fashion statement and It actually brought back the clamshell handsets

37:19 Because those were really popular for a while in the mid-90s. And then when everyone's lid started flipping off, and the speaker would break, and it was all kinds of mess. Everyone was like, I don't want one of those. Well, Motorola, I think, aren't they the ones who super popularized it with the StarTAC? StarTAC, that's the one. Yep, the little StarTAC with the pull-out antenna. And everyone who had one, when they first came out, they always show them off to everybody. It was like people would gather around you if you had one of these things. Yeah, baby. And then they kind of modified it and shrunk it and shrunk it. And then they made one, I remember this because I was doing the, I was working for Tech TV at the time and one of the guys was a guest on my Silicon Spin show. And he came in with the newest version of the StarTAC. The MicroTAC? Yeah. I remember that. It was the smallest little, it was like the size of a,

38:13 I don't even know, it was like the size of a small cigarette, about the size of a Zippo lighter, only not as wide. And it was this little bitty thing and you open it up and you could dial on it and the whole thing, but when you hold it up you look like an idiot holding this little bitty thing to your ear. It was smaller than a typical Bluetooth thing that you stick in your ear. And that was like somehow marked the end of an era because that was so stupid. Well, Nokia had one of their own at the time. Imagine the classic Nokia, like the 5350 or whatever it is, the very classic robust Nokia that everyone had. You could drive a truck over it, nothing would happen. So they shrunk that down to the same size as the Microtek. I think it came a couple years later, actually. And it weighed nothing. You could stick it into that weird pocket that you have on your pants, on your trousers.

39:09 That little pocket on the right hand side. The one that holds quarters? Yeah, that one. You could stick it in there, literally. And you're right. For weight and stuff, it was great because it was almost... Actually, I remember I had that one, but I gave it up for the Matrix phone because that was the next one that you had to have. Remember the one they had in the Matrix with the mouthpiece that slid down, that popped down at the press of a button? Oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah, so we all had to have that one. And anyway, so it was years later that the Razr came out, which was just a throwback. I don't know, man, it's design. Look at the iPhone. I mean, good, bad, and different. You can't deny that the concept and the design and a lot of what it's doing is just radically different than what everyone else has. Yeah, but people are now moaning about it. Really? Yeah, I mean, I just did the Cranky Geek Show this last Wednesday and had Larry Magid on, who's a commentator for CBS, and he

40:05 He's a local radio guy or something. And all he did was complain bitterly about the thing and he mainly talked about, I guess part of the town where he lives, about the fact that you couldn't get a signal, which we talked about before on this show. And so I pulled out my Nokia, the one I have that Pacho loaned me, which has the exact same service he has on the iPhone and we booted him. and we looked and I had a bar and a half because we're in the studios you can't get a signal in there I had a bar and a half he couldn't get a signal at all. No that's well that's just the exact same service. Minor inconvenience. A lot of the stuff is really good. No but a lot of the others I mean they can fix that they'll figure that out.

40:49 We know that they messed up. I don't know if you can, you know, they got that metal case I don't think helps. Well, no, we went through this John. There's a little plastic bit in the metal casing where the antenna is supposed to be able to transmit and receive through the plastic bit. But it's just a design thing. They'll figure that out. They know. They fixed that. And once that's working, once they have the battery life up to a normal person's work day, and then they get their 3G or WiMAX or whatever they're gonna put into it. It'll be great. Yeah, but then it'll be dated. Which reminds me, talking about dated phones, if anyone gets a chance, go to the register and look up Andrew Orlowski's coverage of

41:31 of this phone conference, the World Phone, whatever the heck it's called. Andrew Orlowski? Yeah, Andrew Orlowski. He does a very funny, I'm not going to give the story away, but it's just worth reading from the structural perspective. He does this product review of the Nokia phone that is the absolute best phone. He's at the conference and look at this phone that Nokia has and he shows a side picture of it and he talks about the battery life. Battery life is like a month and talk time is like a week and it's got all these characteristics and features and everything and then he reminds us that this is a 1995 phone that they don't make anymore. It's quite a funny article. So I just Googled him

42:16 and comic strip blogger, you know, my super fan. Your buddy. Yeah, he has a page on Andrew. You'll like this. Yeah, I'm sure Andrew will appreciate it. Biography of Andrew Orlowski. He is a citizen of the UK who now lives in San Francisco, USA. Ancestors of Andrew Orlowski were Polish citizens who stayed in the UK after World War II because Poland was then occupied by the Soviet Union and some Poles didn't want to live under Soviet occupation and stayed in the West. What the hell? He says he works for the register. The register is a dirty tabloid and it shows in many ways. They're publishing, for example, without permission, emails that were intended as private. And also they are publishing anonymous emails that contain offensive content even if information from these anonymous emails is not confirmed as a lie. Okay. Go CSB.

43:11 Yeah, it sounds like a pretty accurate description. That sounds like the fact that Orlowski lives in London, but that's another story. Well, this could be an old page. It could be. Oh man, comic strip blogger. So what else we got on the list? We talked about the chickens and the marks and sparks. Yeah, we talked about... I don't know. When you hear this show, you're going to understand why I'm so distracted. You're just hearing yourself fine. You have no idea what's going on. Hmm. Yeah, it sucks. There was a thing in the news that was interesting about the Danish ISP that just says screw you guys about Pirate Bay. We're not gonna do anything about it. I missed that. What was that? Is that in the news out over there at all? No. You know, the news here is about the three strikes you're out rule. You heard about that, right? You must have.

44:06 There's a green paper which is kind of a bill being written. I think it's a trial balloon, essentially. That the government would require UK ISPs to monitor everyone's traffic. It's a three strikes you're out. So if they're caught downloading a file illegally, is kind of the way they're paraphrasing it. The first time you get... Oh right, right. No, actually I've talked about this on TechFives. I didn't know it was called that though. Well, of course, in a country that knows nothing about baseball and everything about cricket, of course they call it the three strikes you're out rule. Makes sense. Well, there's three strikes and you're out. They don't play baseball over here, dude. I have to explain to people all the time, say, you know, baseball, how does that work? Okay, if you can explain cricket to me, I can explain baseball. Yeah, cricket, wow. No, forget it. You can't. You can't explain it.

45:05 No, it doesn't. The game is... I think they make the rules up as they go along. Seems like it. It's like, oh, tea time. That's it. We'll see you all tomorrow. They just have a couple of really good players and they just let them hit all day. Yeah. I mean, it's like if it was baseball, they'd have Barry Bonds just doing all the batting. For three days in a row. Or a week. Depends on how many hot dogs they can sell. Nah, nothing else is going on here. I mean, it's stuff I talk about in the Daily Source Code and people hate it when I cross post as it were from one show to the next. Oh, you know, I don't do that kind of thing. You do all the time, man. You're always talking about, oh, I mentioned that on Tech 5. Surely you've heard of me, the prognosticator of all things tech, John C. Dvorak.

45:46 You know you can make a career out of this man you just plug in myself talking shit and plugging it I mean kind of already on the way, but I think now I validated that concept by doing this show with you My spare time Nobody writes any I mean nobody reads. This is a whole generation of people coming up that listen to me and And they don't even know I'm a writer. It's just, and it is a good market and they're good people and they want to hear this stuff so I figure I'm going to have to do a dual purpose. I've never really, I took broadcasting in school. I mean it's not like I haven't been doing this for a long time so I can do it. But I'm not really cut out for it. I'm a writer basically. I'm not a good looking guy. I don't present myself, I'm grumpy.

46:28 You know it's just like I'm not smiling all the time like you need to do on television to really do the job right or wait here It comes you're you're you're not good for like a morning zoo format. You'd like you would Good morning is John C. Dvorak here. We got the Palo Alto Yeah, something like that you could do that oh I mean, I can do a kind of a gag voice, but I can't sustain it. You could probably go out for hours. Let's hear your gag voice.

47:04 I just but I'm not gonna do it because I just not in the I mean I can't not just to her Come on, John. You did a gag radio. Let me work on it first. Everybody. It's a good morning, San Francisco City by the bay Hey, it's ACC here on the T to the E tip. We've got Johnny C. Dvorak. He's standing by He's gonna give us a little bit of his prognosticating John C. Where's that voice of yours? Come on in boy. Oh No, no, okay, I tried I just you know, it's one of those things I can click into it. It's like my Indian voice Oh, please I can just put myself into it. Don't do another voice. Don't do the Indian voice. We'll get hate mail again you know the Indian voice I get notes about it because I

47:49 Because people think that I've even well, I don't even like it. Don't even I just for some reason not I'm not in a doing a voice mood That's okay. If I was into doing the voice I would do it now like this now Let me tell you something now. I've talked about this vote guy before now He talks like this and I get a lot of complaints about doing this voice because it's somehow insulting to someone But I'm not absolutely sure who and I've said this and I'll say it again This is the number one accent for speaking the English There are more people that talk like this than talk like anybody else, including a Southern guy. And I've heard the Southern guys and I can't understand a word they say. So I can do this. I can also do a Bombay voice, which is a little different. Now there's a guy who talks funny, if you ask me, but now I could get criticized.

48:40 for doing that that that indian voice but i won't get criticized for doing this is this kind of generic bullshit southern voices really doesn't come from anywhere so little bit of texas although without screeching and so little bit of uh... a little bit of georgia maybe maybe well them as hard to say i've been around most of the south so i can but i won't get criticized for this voice and i won't get criticized from a french guy uh... brit Russian or anybody else but that dead Indian guy gets me in trouble. Oh, you were very close to a George Bush there when you did your southern thing That was pretty good. You should try that you're trying to get a George Bush together Well, you know, there's a Texas accent that I've always loved like where's the God talks to his teeth and the Texans especially got some Dallas at their Executive tops they talk to their teeth and so you get that kind of sound you're getting closer. I

49:29 Too bad my wife is downloading fashion TV off of YouTube again. I have I have Actually talked it would I picked up on the guys talking through their teeth when I met John Roach who was the CEO of Radio Shack for years on end Yeah, and I went to his office a beautiful place. He had a huge office with John man that the ceilings must have been 50 feet high and he talked to his teeth and And I started realizing that Texans, executives in Texas are all taught to speak Texas and I'm not sure why, what did they, I don't know, it seems like mumbling if you ask me. You're pretty good, you got some chops there with the accent, that was alright. Can you do New Yorker?

50:18 You know I can but I'm not so good at it that I feel comfortable doing it until I get it down. It's one of those things like, you know there's certain accents you can do like the DJ where you can go in it. Excuse me, it took years of practice to get that voice okay? I mean it's not just like a thing you can just lock into. I mean that's real talent at work okay? So, but anyway I've done the Indian accent with some Indians and they all you know they look at me funny. You did it with some Indians? You're kidding me. Oh yeah, no I've done it with some Indians. No way! That's horrible! They'd say to me, let me hear this accent if you say you do something else. No! And let me guess, there was like crickets after you were done, right? They were like, uh, okay. No, actually one of the guys gave me a comment. He says, you know, he told me where the accent was kind of from and I should say, and I should reference it. And he says, you know, that sounds a little, and he told me something in an area.

51:15 And I think if I changed it, maybe it would be less offensive if I said it was a Pakistani accent. Oh yeah, that'll fly. You should come over here and do that. That'll result in the breakthrough. Right, get into any taxi cab, please, and just say, oh, here's my Pakistani accent. So anyway, but I do make the remark that that is probably the number one and I listen to watch Indian TV and I would have to say they all talk like that and I think that is the top accent if you were do a numbers game I think more people speak English with that rhythm than they do with any other. Yeah, so I don't see how it could be offensive.

51:56 Well, because we're all politically correct and we're all stupid that way. That's why. I think it's going to be the way we're all going to be talking. That's my theory. I'm just practicing. Just getting into it for the inevitable. We'll have to speak that way. We're all speaking with an Indian accent. Why not? It's actually kind of got a nice ring to it. It makes you sound very sage. Okay, but here's my gauge for it. Okay, so if you're making love, right? How could that accent just doesn't fly? You know, it just doesn't sound right. It's not it's like oh, yes, baby Oh give it to me right there. Oh, yes, but oh, please put your finger in that orifice really quickly I like it very much. I mean, you know, it just doesn't quite fit

52:37 I don't know. Maybe they... Well, I mean, look at the music that they listen to with that screeching. Dude, Desi, I love Desi. I can't get enough of it. Are you kidding me? I love that. No, you don't. Yeah, I do. I do. There's no way. Yeah, absolutely. The modern day Desi. That's D-E-S-I. It's got a great groove. It's got their really funky harmonies and you know stuff that just isn't even in our musical vocabulary literally no I dig it and it's and all the kids are dancing to it John so by the way I should mention this when I do that Indian accent with my daughters around she thinks I'm an idiot

53:26 And she says it doesn't sound anything at all like an Indian. I'll ask her to come up and do a couple of racks and she does. She actually speaks Dutch and Flemish with a complete accent. She speaks American English, English English, but she could do all sub accents. Australian she's really good at. I'd like the difference between the Australian and the British accent and Australian and there's also Australian and New Zealand Which is yet again subtle subtle I would be interested in listening to her try to define those two because that's that's another fascinating difference because every once in a while you run into some guy in us in Somewhere especially around here the San Francisco Bay Area where all these travelers are yep And you hear a guy and you go oh, that's that's an Australian and you know you know you say you were from Australia, right? You can't piss him off more

54:25 Well, if he's from New Zealand, he's not too pleased. No, exactly. That's my point. Generally speaking, you don't run into too many New Zealanders because they really, I don't think many of them get off the islands. That's not true. I fly with a Kiwi. A guy who runs our office here is a Kiwi, Maitland. No, there's lots of them. They're infesting the world. Maybe they don't admit it when they're over here. Possible. Or they just say, yeah I'm from Australia mate. Just easier because if you're not from, you know when someone says, hey are you from, hey, hey you, are you from Australia? And if the guy says, no I'm from New Zealand, it's like, oh, well I like Australia because that's where that crocodile guy was from and you got that other, that Dundee fella.

55:12 And New Zealand has nothing. So that's your dumb American accent. So I think there may be some truth to the fact that most people in the United States don't even know where New Zealand is. And these guys are sick of explaining it. Yeah, but they also have no national heroes. Australia, we've got Mel Gibson. We've got your Olivia Newton-John. We've got, come on, help me out here, Nicole Kidman. We've got Crocodile Dundee. Oh, actually there's a whole bunch of models from New Zealand. Yeah, dude. I mean, there's beautiful people down there. This one that was married to Stuart for a while. What's her name? Rachel Hunter. Rachel Hunter. There you go. Rachel Hunter. She's still married to us, Gerard.

55:58 There's more though. Well Richard, what's his name? Murdoch is from Australia. Of course he's an American now. Right, and Kerry Parker who people know less of who's probably more powerful. Kerry Parker? Kerry Parker, yeah. He's the other Murdoch. Oh, that's right. The two sons have now started a venture together, I think. Yeah, they're right. He's dead, right? Parker's a notorious gambler. He comes to Vegas and there's lots of stories about him going into Vegas and... Isn't he dead? I thought he died. I don't know, maybe he did. Let's look him up. He wouldn't have been covered in American news if he did, so how would I know? Let's look it up. Kerry Parker information. About Kerry Parker. Is it with an I or with a Y? I think he's a man, so it'd probably be with a Y. Who the who? You don't know. UK glamour model. Kerry Parker. It's not with an I. Which is kind of the porn spelling. Yeah, there's always a variation.

57:07 Rusty Nails and Kerry Parker now for the first time in a world I can't find anything John figures. You're not looking. It's just me looking here Yeah, because I don't want to kill the whole what am I am I your Google bitch come on? Yeah, you are though. Let's see okay. I can't find you brought it up. You should find it alright alright alright alright alright Here we go, Australia's 200 Rich List. Here's my Google search. This should find it. Carrie Parker, or Packer. Oh, Packer. Packer, both idiots. Carrie Packer, I'm saying Parker. But I typed in Carrie Parker, Australia mogul, and got the top thing, Carrie Packer dead. Really? It worked. Carrie, I'm, my wife is actually better at this than me, but I'm good. Anyway, Carrie Packer dead. Carrie Frances Bullmore, Packer 68.

58:04 Richest man was chairman of media company blah blah blah. Let me actually click on it instead of just reading this summary. Hey, I just came up with a great new format, dude. This is a great idea. You want to hear my idea? He died at 68. The world's richest man. Yeah. So, uh... Dude, this is a great format. Think about it. He died in 2005. Yeah. Oh, there you go. The New York Times will report it next week. So listen to this, it could be an audio show, it would work, it could be video as well, but it's a game show, and the game show is you get these ridiculous questions

58:47 You have to answer them and you can use any resource you want on the internet Google any other search it no one's doing it because these things like cheating right let's do it Next show no agenda. We'll get some participants on well or maybe you have a whole nother show for that People like no agenda the way it is yeah, but we have no agenda. We can do whatever we want can't we oh? That's a good point. Yeah, we can test it out. Well, then let's get some dancing girls heck with this other idea I And we're back to strippers. Okay, lovely. So yeah, so Kerry Packer, unknown to me, three years later, apparently is dead. You should send him a card. We here in the United States are very sorry to hear about the passing of Kerry.

59:34 We just found out. We just found out because we don't really follow anything. By the way, I'm trying to get out of Nigeria and if you could send me a hundred million dollars... So we know exactly what Britney Spears is up to, but do we know that Gary Packer's dead? No, no, we don't. I post. It's so true. And here I am, you know, the media guy, you know, and I don't know, I, you know, I probably did know. And it just for some reason, I just didn't. I just wasn't thinking. But your point is so well made. And I'm thinking his name is Parker for God's sake. It's even worse. That's even worse. I posted.

1:00:13 The Wikipedia definition of bread and circuses earlier in the week on my weblog. Because that's what we're living in, man. We are so in bread and circuses. Who gives a shit about what's going on in the world as long as we know who's in the top 24 on American Idol. That's all that matters. Well, you know, one of my favorite shows on the U.S. and I actually have dubbed, I have like hours and hours and hours of this, one of the few things I kind of record and save in an episodic manner, which is Jay Leno's special that he does once every couple weeks called Jaywalking.

1:00:49 and he goes into the street, and it's actually, it was funnier a few years ago than it is now, because now he's trying to fancy it up, but he'll go into the streets, and he'll just walk up to, first he tries to find people that are like professors at USC or teachers in high school, or even some, and then he also picks up some dingbat students, and he goes up to a person, he'll say, so where is the, What country is Mexico City in and they'll and they'll answer like I've seen this Oh, I've seen the answer will be even more ludicrous than not knowing where it is. They'll answer what country is Mexico City, Indiana I mean that I swear to God and it's like this is the and it's one thing after another It's just it's an astonishing this. Can you name a country that starts with the letter U and people are going? Hmm

1:01:43 How about United States? Like, oh yeah, that's a good one. But you know, that's all edited so you don't know how many people they have to find. Oh no, it's totally edited. I know it's somewhat phony and every once in a while you know he's asked a question, you yourself as you watch it can't answer it. But generally speaking, yeah, it's edited to death, but the fact that somebody would answer Indiana to what country is Mexico City in is just, I don't care how edited it is, it's just unbelievable. That's great. So funny. Ah yes, we're a fine bunch, aren't we?

1:02:20 One of the things he likes to do on that bit is he'll have pictures of people and he'll have a famous person, he'll put the president's picture up there and he says, who's this? And they won't identify him. And then they'll put a picture of Britney Spears or Paris Hilton there and they'll identify him. And he does that gag a lot and it's always the same. Nobody can recognize anybody except a small number of overhyped celebrities. Hey man, I'm gonna work on our game show. This is a good idea. We could be the, we could be like the Regis and what's her, what's the new names girl? Kathy. No, no. Kerry. Kelly. Kelly. We could be Regis and Kelly and we could do our own game show. Duke and Kelly. Well my legs are better so I might as well. That's true. So the, not that I would know, so I think

1:03:13 It has a possibility. Now there was something done like this on Internet Tonight, which was a tech TV show. That was probably the best show that they produced at tech TV ever and it was killed by Paul Allen personally because for some reason he didn't like somebody on the show. Really? Yeah, it's a weird story. But anyway, they did something like this where they did a Google showdown about trying to find as many of something As they could but it wasn't quite what you're thinking. I think it should just be whoever has the answer the quickest you know so you just you throw out a question something really ridiculous and it has to be done as it has to be done if you can do it that way it has to be done in it you have to use the game show format so you would have three people standing there as though it was you know Jeopardy. Yeah.

1:03:58 And with laptops. Yeah. Or whatever. And then the question would go out and then the three of them would grind away on it. And these would have to obviously be questions that they just can't answer on the spot. Oh, so what you do is you have a set amount of time and then you have the, everyone has their answer written down and then you reveal your answer one by one. Is that what you're thinking? No, I was thinking that there would be a race but then I'm thinking about it could be boring is watching people type into a machine. There has to be some way of eliminating the boredom factor for the viewer. I think it could go pretty fast. I mean, you know, it took you what 15 seconds to find the answer to that? It didn't take long. Yeah. Well, it's looking at oh, this is even funnier. I'm looking at the search I put in. Yeah, I typed in carry

1:04:46 Passor Kerr, P-A-S-R-K-E-R, Australia Mogul. And then it came up with the Do You Mean Kerry Parker, Australia Mogul. And then even without having to click on that, it had the Kerry Parker dead at the top. So sometimes screwing up completely can actually be beneficial. Works better because Google's always looking for your screw ups and trying to correct you. Interesting. Yeah, no, I think it would be fascinating, especially if it was combined with a website that explained how people were doing the search to get the answer because there's something about learning how to do searches properly to get results quick. It's kind of, I think, would have a big draw in itself. And it's a real skill. You know, it's a skill that we should be teaching our kids. So it could be the spelling bee of the noughties.

1:05:42 Yeah, no, I agree. I think that kids in school should be learning how to do elaborate Google searches for obscure information. Boolean search, baby. Boolean search 101. Boolean search 101. Yeah. How many kids don't know what that means? They don't know what that means. If I said my daughter doesn't know what that means, she doesn't know about typing a plus into Google or a minus, which a minus is even better than a plus often. So you can omit certain type of keywords from the results. That's the great stuff that you're filtering. Yeah, no, there's a lot of little tricks. There's books. We take it for granted man that people know that people don't know No, it's always amazing to me that people don't you know I ever once in a while I get a letter from a Reader or once in a while and John gets a letter and it goes like this dear John. Oh

1:06:35 I'll have somebody say, you know, do you know how to ask me a question about something about, you know, you get that in a letter through the US mail? No, I'm just I mean email email. I get questions all the time. So I get it, yeah, and there's always some dumb question. What I always do is I do a Google search that they should have done for the exact, and I don't even do much more than take what they wanted to know and put it in the Google box. Then I cut and paste the Google URL that gave me the answer and I give them the Google URL. So when they click on it to get their answer, they see it's a Google page that I had simply taken their stuff and put it in the Google thing, which is saying to them, you can't do this.

1:07:18 Here's what I do, I just don't reply. But I answer all my emails. You answer all your emails, every single one? Well, I mean, if somebody gets by me, I don't answer. You have an empty inbox? Are you an empty inbox guy? You empty it out? No, no. If I'm too busy, sometimes it'll pass over and then some stuff will just be in there forever. I'm always amazed when I do a search on something, like I'll look at you sometimes. Adam Curry, because you sent me a note the other day, so I wanted to see it, so I'll just do a search on the box and I'll find it and there'll be every message you ever sent me and then I'll see two or three of them in there that I never looked at. Because they're blanked out. Or you set them to unread, do you ever do that? You're like, I'll set this to unread and that will make me go read it again, which of course never happens. Yeah, no, I've already given up on that idea.

1:08:11 So but I'll see a couple now click on him and I say oh, that's what he was talking about the other day Thanks for reading That's nice Hey, it's not that often just happens. You don't send that much out so it doesn't happen to you so much Well, I've learned a long time ago the less you send the less you receive. Yeah, there's there is that mm-hmm All right. I'm done. I think so my and my wife has been surfing porn throughout the second half of the show and No, she's bored. She's very bored. She wants me all to herself for the weekend before I leave. She knows it's gonna be a while. I think you should change your flight plans and come in through Chicago. Yeah, I don't think so. Coming through Chicago. Why? It would be cool. Come in through Vancouver. Hit Vancouver, BC, then come into Seattle from Vancouver from Europe. That would be interesting. Why? Just to see if I get into trouble?

1:09:11 Yeah. That's no fun. I don't want to do that. I don't. Maybe I'll get into a lot of trouble this time. How about going to Mexico? Yeah, now you're talking. And then coming across in a cab. In the trunk. Tortilla-wanna. In the trunk. See if that works. Well, no, that is getting carried away. But I think it'd be cool. You fly from London to Mexico City, or someplace in Baja. I guess you can get to Tijuana somehow. Get to Tijuana, take a cab across the border to San Diego and see what the experience is. Okay. Well, if you don't want to do it, let somebody, somebody should do it who's also being harassed. Okay. That'd be interesting. I don't want to do it. I really don't. I just want to get on with life.

1:09:56 Well, it would be a good story. You can almost probably put a book around it. Hey, do you ever get this? The application PubSubAgent quit unexpectedly. Eugh. Wow. PubSubAgent. What do you think that does? I don't know. Probably we have to re-record the show. No! Quick, let's stop it while it's still good. Alright, sign off. Alright. Well, apologies for the sound quality. I'll work on that for next week. Coming to you from a dark Friday evening in the United Kingdom, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm out here in sunny California. I'm John C. Dvorak. And we'll talk to you next time, probably with a game show on no agenda.