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00:00 Adam Curry, John C. DeVore Act. Sunday April 11th 2021 this is your award winning Gilmore Nation media assassination episode 1337 This is no agenda. Fleet and broadcasting almost live from Opportunity Zone 33 here in the frontier of Austin Texas capital of the drone star state In The Morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where we're live to tape Live To Tape I'm John C. DeVore Act We'll do it live. Happy Leet! Big number for the show. This is the one that everyone wants to be an executive producer of and I think you will uh, be very happy with that because we have a special

00:50 while John and I are still resting up, preparing for COVID 2021. Because you know that's coming! You don't seem to want to let up on this... No, it is unbelievable So we're still on our break and as we were getting ready to record this We were looking for the name of the executive producer who did this because he also did John's stories And that aired. Now, is this the last time we took off? I think so. 1201 was the show. So episode 1201 December 22nd 2019 so we've been going non-stop for over two years no no that's 2019 not 2018 okay 2019 to go all the way through 20 uh so December alright okay there you go so yeah it's what you kind of 15 months yeah right about about 15 months okay that was right

01:45 Uh, well good! We deserve this time off. Are you enjoying yourself on your time off? Oh yeah I'm having the time of my life. Except that i don't have to do clips You are sitting at home by yourself on the in the Shays just hanging out. In the Shays. Now it's been quite a while since I've heard this but we had John stories which everyone seemed to like. We have credit to our Sir Rupin Waffle, Sir Rupin Waffle. Yes sir yes he did both these shows I wonder if it's supposed to be syrup and waffles. That's why it's syrup and waffles, syrup and waffles? Oh that could be... Okay that could be syrup and waffles. Syrup and waffles exactly So he did these two shows together so these are the same era of anecdotes we course we didn't tell as many stories during 2020 because it was a year of COVID We were listening to The Biggest Tale Ever Told! And so yes we don't need to do our own material

02:48 So this is your collection of stories and that we're going to delve into. And it would just non-stop, I guess we'll take one break in the middle and then we were good to go. All right here we go my legacy in the first half...the first hour Bear with me on this because this is shit I've been thinking about a lot over the past couple days. So, I truly believe that in the not too distant future maybe five years let's just make it easy on ourselves in five years there will be enough ubiquitous bandwidth around and streaming capabilities that essentially we'll just have digital radios. It's what DAB already is but it'll be two-way

03:31 and so you'll be able to stream certainly a bit you can do that today over you know over your your mobile phone i've added the price may vary depending on your plan where you live in all that shit but bar the subways you know you can probably i thought done i'd chats with people with who is the cage it was chris jacob on while he was on the train you know coming down from uh... from upstate new york yes so did we can we can get a stream out there what if we had a stream that is essentially 24 hours a day and we just keep adding to it, right? So if you drop in you'll hear the conversation then eventually you'll get up to a point where you've already heard and then you're up-to-date. And when you check in again

04:11 I think this is a great idea by the way, except that there's a complication here which is for example we'll go back to the buy and large rant. We have to make this work right...we'd have to actually document what were talking about in some logical way that can then be indexed. Sounds like work! There you have it. There ya'go. Sounds like work. Well clearly that's a non-starter so we have to think this through a little bit more So how about the audience? Can we get your guys Bubba involved? I don't know about Bubba, he seems to be at his wits end already. But i'm thinking this... By the way, i am not trying to poach your guys John, just saying

04:54 I don't know, Bubba would probably do it. Actually there's another guy that would probably do it for sure but yeah, I don't want them doing it because what you brought up was the fact that we like to package stuff because were getting old and the kids they like to do all this stuff themselves is to get a team of volunteer kids by our standards kids anyone under 48 And have them mash-up shows Exactly! I think there'd be more than a few volunteers for that That reminds me when I when I entered the Dutch schooling system, I was going to the International School of Amsterdam for three years after we moved there moved there when I was seven and Just to give you the full context of the story We had a week off from the ISA international school of Amsterdam And my parents sat me and my sisters down Sunday evening. Guess what? You guys are gonna do tomorrow like wow What are we gonna do he's going to Dutch school like what and actually really spoke just a few words of Dutch

05:52 So, I entered Dutch school fifth grade and within like two or three months into the school year. He says, oh here's a question that our Americans... Now this is the time when Americans were not very loved in Europe. Texas Instruments was coming over and I walk on the street they know who i was and the kids like you crazy American shit go fuck yourself! That's what I would get as a fifth grader And then the teacher says alright here's one how many states does United States of America have? My hand goes up, of course it said 50 states! No ha ha its 52 you forgot Alaska and Hawaii

06:31 I said, no it was 48 and then we... What? No! You don't even know this?! And he just was berating me. And so I was, you know, I was already messed up. Then I remember recalling the American Embassy and recording it on one of those little cassette recorders taking it into school and even that we said well she was referencing an old encyclopedia Britannica. I could not get them to just admit that he was wrong David your next story Okay, thanks. No This is like a music business story Do you know who Seymour Stein is the name rings about but no okay? Seymour Stein is the guy who first he Legend in the music business started sire records and sire records You know that had many famous artists But Seymour Stein is really known for

06:31 I said, no it was 48 and then we... What? No! You don't even know this?! And he just was berating me. And so I was, you know, I was already messed up. Then I remember recalling the American Embassy and recording it on one of those little cassette recorders taking it into school and even that we said well she was referencing an old encyclopedia Britannica. I could not get them to just admit that he was wrong David your next story Okay, thanks. No This is like a music business story Do you know who Seymour Stein is the name rings about but no okay? Seymour Stein is the guy who first he Legend in the music business started sire records and sire records You know that had many famous artists But Seymour Stein is really known for

07:33 Madonna. He really took Madonna into mainstream, did the first big album with her and Sire was her record label in the very beginning of her career. And Seymour Stein is a real... I've hung out with him back in the mid-80s in London and just one of these really weird guys typical music industry guys like he had a fish tank in his office with hundred pound, 50 was it? No. Fifty-pound notes at the bottom of this aquarium and there were piranha swimming in the aquarium is like you're welcome to go grab the fifty pound note if you don't mind your hand getting eaten by a piranha. This really one these guys right? Hilarious! And yeah and his ex wife Linda Stein was

08:25 Also a legend in the music business, she was a manager famously of the Ramones. And she was the most abrasive woman you can imagine. She would yell, she would scream at people, she'd tell Joey Ramone shut the fuck up! When they were touring in England he was complaining about everything and he didn't like the food and she just said then get the fuck back to America you fucking... Legendary And it's funny because as far as I know Seymour Stein was gay if not at least bi but you know It was really weird these two and of course they did break up eventually so She was ex for a reason So legendary woman legend in fact

09:16 She had cancer and she had been operated on cancer. This is just one of those famous stories about her, so take it with a grain of salt. Four hours after the operation she was already on the phone yelling at someone to fuck something up. Just crazy! They found her bludgeoned to death in her apartment yesterday in New York on Fifth Avenue. Oh, really? Yeah! It wasn't in the news out here... Well, there you go But it's just, you watch the stories will come out. I'm sure because lots of artists dealt with her so i'm sure people are going to be talking about this you watch is gonna be a an interesting story and I'm sure that... Well yeah sounds like something that's gonna develop that's interesting. And who?

10:06 Who really were her enemies? Who would have wanted to do this?" Well, the answer is fucking everybody! Everybody could have gone off on this woman at any time and bludgeoned her to death. Of course she's kind of been out of the business for many years so for this to happen now it's just crazy Most late 70s mid 80s something like that because I remember Doc McGee who was he's now manager for Gene Simmons Which is kind of sad. He's on that family jewels reality show but he at the time was one of the biggest managers in rock and roll it was managing Motley Crue and Bon Jovi and Maybe even Ozzy Osbourne, and he got caught smuggling 5,000 pounds of marijuana into Florida on his Learjet

10:06 Who really were her enemies? Who would have wanted to do this?" Well, the answer is fucking everybody! Everybody could have gone off on this woman at any time and bludgeoned her to death. Of course she's kind of been out of the business for many years so for this to happen now it's just crazy Most late 70s mid 80s something like that because I remember Doc McGee who was he's now manager for Gene Simmons Which is kind of sad. He's on that family jewels reality show but he at the time was one of the biggest managers in rock and roll it was managing Motley Crue and Bon Jovi and Maybe even Ozzy Osbourne, and he got caught smuggling 5,000 pounds of marijuana into Florida on his Learjet

10:50 which is like, I don't know what type of Learjet it was but that must have been heavy. And so he didn't go to jail but instead the judge said well i'll let you go but as a part of your get out of jail free ticket you have to do a number of anti-drug anti alcohol concerts. I thought you were going to say has to do reality TV? Well no this this is 1988 and thats how I wound up in Russia actually because they had the Moscow Music Peace Festival which he organized and this is before the wall came down. And so we went on a plane from Newark, New Jersey with those like Bon Jovi Motley Crue Ozzy Osbourne We stopped in Germany to pick up the Scorpions and then we did this show it was like 10 days at Lenin Stadium in Moscow but the funniest thing was this plane which was a chartered plane you know like a I don't know It's like a DC something like a cigar tube really long and very uncomfortable particularly for that flight

11:49 Everyone was hammered. It's like this was the anti-drug, anti alcohol Ozzy Osbourne I will never rid myself of him standing in the aisle because the laboratory was occupied and he is going Sharon! Sharon there is someone in the loo And Sharon, by the way was this fat little pudgy English chick with bad complexion and Ozzy couldn't get in the bathroom. He peed himself right there right in the aisle like a six-year old huge stain on his pants it's just unbelievable and that was to get out of drug free ticket that Doc McGee booked again everyone hammered the whole way through and then Bon Jovi doctor on their way back was handing out halcyon everybody

12:31 It'll help you sleep. I don't like oh, that'll help me sleep! I was messed up for two weeks. I was suicidal almost so anyway The point is end users of drugs are stupid because the real game is up at the top there I will say it is so impressive when you see how the big Broadcast personalities. When MSNBC launched and they were over in New Jersey, this was with my previous company, actually it was before Think, it was OnRamp and Microsoft who of course were one the partners with NBC, they needed a chat

12:31 It'll help you sleep. I don't like oh, that'll help me sleep! I was messed up for two weeks. I was suicidal almost so anyway The point is end users of drugs are stupid because the real game is up at the top there I will say it is so impressive when you see how the big Broadcast personalities. When MSNBC launched and they were over in New Jersey, this was with my previous company, actually it was before Think, it was OnRamp and Microsoft who of course were one the partners with NBC, they needed a chat

13:17 to go along with some of their programming and I can't remember exactly how but actually it was Denise, what was her name? Who's a Microsoft woman. Yeah sure you know her Caruso I want to say does that make sense? Denise Caruso She was a journalist No not Denise It wasn't Denise something or other she was in charge at the time it was Microsoft Comic Chat You remember that we have a little avatar. Yeah, right there's another thing that failed. Of course they never stick to these things is the problem. It couldn't scale this was the problem so they couldn't scale it and the team within Microsoft was really worried but they wanted some form of chat and we had a bunch of these hacker boys like with names like Rat Boy and I forget Alan Louie was one not that that's a cool name but i just remember these guys and they had basically

14:08 hacked together a very, very basic, very fricking simple CGI script into an IRC proven technology. Go figure! and so we had this really robust chat based on IRC which I to this day obviously still can't figure out. And so they hired us to implement this, and because of that we were invited to the opening and you'll recall perhaps that the big interview they had on opening day was Tom Brokaw... Tom Brokshaw! Tom Brokshaw interviewing President Bill Clinton And I sat in the control room and I was blown away.

14:49 by the professionalism of this guy. So he's got his earpiece in and he is talking, having a conversation and I believe that he is listening to what then president was saying so they're having a dialogue and producer is continuously talking into his ears giving him cues and then it's like okay Tom we have thirty seconds to commercial while Brokaw is talking And he's counting down the seconds and Brokaw fires off another question which he knows is only going to get a quick yes or no answer. He pulls back away from the president and hits the commercial break right on the nose, I still get goosebumps when i think about that actual sequence it is unfreaking real how good these guys are

15:38 Well, so there's a couple things I'll say here. Because you know I have been kind of following the Osmonds over the past couple weeks mainly because Marie was in Dancing with the Stars and then... And passed out. She passed out right? So that kind of got her into the news. I know Donnie, in fact I raced against him in a celebrity race in Denver During there was an indie an indie event IndyCar when I was working for MTV and you know, it's guys fucking serious Yeah, he won the race by the way. He's uh, yeah, I was impressed He was you know We were all out partying and he was walking the track at 5 in the morning You know finding the apex and all the fucking perfect win. He really wanted to win

16:20 But I've been following this and the only thing that I can say is, they had a hundred Osmonds on Oprah the other day. A hundred! So even though Marie's dad had just passed away a few days earlier they still decided to come to Oprah's show which is fine but what was the point? She was there plugging her dolls which she sells on QVC or The Home Shopping Network which is really her main source of income and I'm sure it does huge business But when you, you know, step back into the limelight it's like a fucking boomerang. I've seen this happen to me many times It comes back at ya and positive energy comes back fucking black and vice versa! It just...it's part of the beast only it whips a lot faster than it used too The turnaround time is quicker and ups and downs are severe This is just what happens I think Here's a trend

17:20 Boys in Britain with increasing rate do not want a French kiss. You're kidding? Yeah, and this is... I had a whole conversation with my daughter and a couple of her friends that were here in the garden today And it's uh... Is it because the Brits hate their French that much? That was my question too, but no. Like we ate these fucking French! No more de tongue It's called a freedom kiss now instead of French kissing No they're just not into it Believe me they're into whole bunch of other stuff cause I did get all the details But no they don't like French kissing its going out of vogue Pun intended

18:06 That's interesting. Yeah, and so I've told my daughter... What is the sociology you think behind that? You really don't know! The first thing i said was baby maybe you need a tic tac. She says no dad. And her friend Liz and couple of these girls say yeah more boys just they don't like it They just don't like it Is it the boys? The girls one way or another are not... No, its the boy who doesn't want to French kiss It's kind of trippy isn't it? That wild. I wonder if that trend is developing here I have no idea. Personally, I'm a big fan. With French kissing boys? Yeah especially the young ones. It's just the way you set it up. What am I supposed to say? I know, I know...it was an open goal That was around the time The Truman Show came out and we were back in Holland We had just moved back And I got a call at like 1130 at night It was Joan Lemoel of Endemol You know what Endemol is

18:06 That's interesting. Yeah, and so I've told my daughter... What is the sociology you think behind that? You really don't know! The first thing i said was baby maybe you need a tic tac. She says no dad. And her friend Liz and couple of these girls say yeah more boys just they don't like it They just don't like it Is it the boys? The girls one way or another are not... No, its the boy who doesn't want to French kiss It's kind of trippy isn't it? That wild. I wonder if that trend is developing here I have no idea. Personally, I'm a big fan. With French kissing boys? Yeah especially the young ones. It's just the way you set it up. What am I supposed to say? I know, I know...it was an open goal That was around the time The Truman Show came out and we were back in Holland We had just moved back And I got a call at like 1130 at night It was Joan Lemoel of Endemol You know what Endemol is

19:08 No. And the mall, the big production company most famous for Big Brother? Okay yeah. Worldwide success sold to Telefonica for several billion. He called me around 1130 and says Adam come to my office I want to show you something. Alright that's kind of weird but he was already a pretty big television producer like okay So I go and he says, I got a mood tape for you. Okay, so I know what a mood tape is. It's kind of Biosphere meets Truman Show And he showed me this tape and it was literally... They had it...it was a mood tape so there were all stuff cut together in voiceover to make it look like it was real Essentially it was called Golden Cage The idea was that we'd lock-in ten people

19:55 five men, five women lock them up for a full year and then whoever would come out as the final person would be the winner of like a million euros or whatever. And that about three months later became Big Brother and okay yeah and I was right there at the very very start and it was completely influence and I bet you that pieces of real life were in that mood tape. I'm gonna see if i can find because they have it somewhere, the original Big Brother mood tape went on later actually uh... Ennimo went on to create Golden Cage which is like a really harsh version of big brother with you know having sex and getting drunk and shit on camera man he tried to sell out in states they wouldn't even take it

20:46 We got our standards. Yeah, boy we sure do! Please... Some funny happened the other day. I have to say that, I enjoy the show even more than i used to because these are two moments in my life at this moment. The two times in my life that I hear everything perfectly and in a beautifully processed nice full rich sound because... Yes, I thought you're gonna say it's because you can go back into the closet. Hey No So the hearing aids I've got them completely figured out of got them customized configured and it's fantastic But there but if you want to be able to hear things You have two and is very difficult for me You have to learn to live with depending on the situation you're in a meal and horribly filtered sound an example would be

21:46 In the shopping mall. There's a good example we talked about the mall if you want to be able to hear what people are saying then you're going to basically only Crank up the mids and everything else has to go down turn on the directional mics Which is one setting by the way enough to do that all on-the-fly, and then you can hear everybody but in And otherwise it's just too much noise that comes in anyway so I'm wearing these things I'm doing wait a minute stop what? Well, I mean you're just talking in vagaries. You are in the mall...you've got the hearing aid right now it's in your ear? No! Oh, in the mall yes yeah In the mall It's not... Not while I'm doing this show. No no no when I'm doing this show the headphone is on 11 which is why hear everything perfectly and and it sounds really good because there's a noise gate there's nothing else being amplified when I'm not talking

22:43 So this is the way, I wish the world sounded like this to me all the time. And i can go too...I can turn on music and put it on the music setting and will sound fantastic. That's where we're stopping What do you mean? You poke yourself in the eye. How do you make the settings change? I thought i told you this so there's six settings pre-programmed and you have a button on each unit, so it is an odd thing. It's just a big giant button how did he find the button? It has to be minuscule! No no no... hearing aids it's not just something that stuck in your ear canal you have the unit is hanging behind your ear then there's a copper wire pair that goes into us really they call it the receiver but it's really a tiny speaker and that is in your ear canal

23:31 So the unit contains the battery, the processing and you can one button on each one so if the right ear volume goes up left your volume goes down and either button if your long press it'll change to a different program. And the little lady's voice will go music or she'll go party or urban or universal You with me? Yeah, and I'm trying to visualize okay So you got a little thing in the back of your ear that you can push a button yeah And you push it until you wait for the ladies because their little voices come through which is kind of cool and tells You what setting all this let off there's other cool things for instance. This doesn't happen with me But if you thought it wouldn't if you lose one then the one that still in your ear will go lost mate Which is which is an odd message to receive you lose one?

24:28 Well, funny you ask. So we're up here on the 29th floor and I'm taking some garbage from a cardboard box to throw down the chute Are you still using your little thing you stand on? The little thing I stand on. You used to stand on a little thing, the little scooter thingy? No! I'm just walking down the hallway... Whatever happened to that thing?! I gave it away and it was a death trap and you want to die So I'm walking down the hallway, I go to the garbage room we have two garbage chutes one for garbage one for recycling And so I got this box and won't fit and some crushing the box It clips my ear, the hearing aid flips off

25:11 Hits the box. I try to grab it no, it goes down 29 floors. I couldn't hear it more than five of course and pink pink pink pink pink pink pink pink like okay Wow that's what I call a freak accident Yeah, so I immediately jump in the elevator go down but you jumped into shoot I'm not shouldn't throw anything after it Because you know even though I might mark where it is, you know. I don't know what could happen It could draw no got caught somewhere. It has a wire on it You know there's a he can get caught in anything so go downstairs and run to the underneath the building I can't find anything when the maintenance guys appears And I tell him the story is like are you sure you put in the right hand one?

25:53 said yeah in the recycling you're really sure so yeah okay and we go into where the but these big containers are were all the trash dumps in from the entire building and I see what he was saying about the regular garbage because it goes through a mulcher and any if you're throwing something down that that tube is going to get mulched But, and there it is. There's the recycle container and you know it's up to my chest I'm looking in like oh I can't see anything kind of get in before I could say anything the maintenance guy hops in 30 seconds picks it up and they were in the wire had dislodged from a little speaker so I'm like well at least have that part of the unit and they said Oh and there's this he picked him right out of the recycling

26:39 And you know what happened then? First of all, when this took place as I said it was going plink-plink down the chute my other ear goes lost mate. Do you understand kind of how can be useful and then when i had in my hand he gave back to me went mate found Yeah, I can't imagine. If you're a complete idiot and don't know you lost the mate that would come in very handy Well i dont know what it's like to be completely deaf or very very deaf and these things are only marginally helping somebody so maybe...I dont know You know when you run out of gas in your car And I've had this happen I ran out of gas once in the Lincoln Tunnel

26:39 And you know what happened then? First of all, when this took place as I said it was going plink-plink down the chute my other ear goes lost mate. Do you understand kind of how can be useful and then when i had in my hand he gave back to me went mate found Yeah, I can't imagine. If you're a complete idiot and don't know you lost the mate that would come in very handy Well i dont know what it's like to be completely deaf or very very deaf and these things are only marginally helping somebody so maybe...I dont know You know when you run out of gas in your car And I've had this happen I ran out of gas once in the Lincoln Tunnel

27:20 And that by the way on a Friday afternoon. Did I ever tell you this story? You must have been, had bad vibes that still exist hanging over your head Shall I tell you the whole story it's hilarious So these were the days...I had a 1972 No wait 1982 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow II which i bought second hand Beautiful British racing green, you know great car. I drove it in New York every single day I drove 80 thousand miles that put on that car and of course is ridiculous You know, I think I paid 70 grand for it at the time when I had money boy Good old days

28:02 and uh... so i'm not coming out of new york on a friday afternoon yes understand that in new york this is mtv days uh... friday afternoons the lincoln tunnel is jammed because of course said the uh... the jewish population of new york all tries to get out around three o'clock in the afternoon you get home in time for uh... uh... from down to the hamptons and other town well the hamptons is not through the linkin tunnel and right as the other way but it would have basically all towns and bridges are jammed And so I'm like, and there's going to yeah they're going to Jersey. Yeah, Jersey Shore So and I know there's a gas station on the other side on the jersey side right? I can make this I can make this Oh, and it conks out in the Lincoln Tunnel on a Friday afternoon. I'm wearing my MTV guy leather jacket my big Adam Curry hair

28:50 Let me tell you the douchebag of the day. They ran a story about this They threw stuff at me people were throwing their paper cups Like you a-hole MTV douche bag And they and then because they literally have to close off one One lane, and then the truck has to come through to push the car out. Yeah, actually They come up front forwards in turn around no no no they put me towards a jersey side so they pushed me all the way out but I Never again, and that's also when I decided Fancy looking cars is not good this you can't win it draws attention to you never got me laid either. I'll tell you that

29:35 I'm just remembering something. So Kleiner Perkins always had smoking hot receptionists, they had some beautiful women in the front of the house. Smoking hot receptionist and I forget the... it was a young woman, forget her name. We'd often be waiting we have to go there every week and you always have to wait yeah at the meetings like oh is the board meeting show how we're doing here showed the damn charts again so we're spending your money well huh And I would always hang out talking to her. She was kind of cool, she was a snowboarder or whatever but it's just good-looking fun interesting Good jokes and always be hanging out there anyway and then as you know the Kleiner Perkins had these Christmas parties and stuff And I got a call from Ray Lane one morning say yeah, I said hey Ray what's going on? Well um there's a complaint for sexual harassment

30:30 Really? And it was this receptionist and she had this whole list of people who had propositioned her. It was clear that what became apparent is that she had a history doing these at companies, and she pretty much gone to Kleiner Perkins and saw people out. At one point, she asked me, hey you want to go get high? I'm like no, I got a meeting here. And but that came back in some complaints that I wanted to smoke illegal drugs with her. And this was a Ray Lane senior partner was reading this to me over the phone and say, This is insane right? What's going on with this so they were targeted and anyway they had like,

31:15 Like as a detective, because I saw all this guy showed up before this complaint came in. This guy showed up and he was like a co-receptionist it was very strange so they brought him in is the people starting to suspect something and he was no one's going to notice that there to trap her and she apparently had done this other companies Yeah, it's a business. Yeah really? You figure out what companies are you know especially if you're good-looking woman you can get jobs pretty easily in those positions And I was offended! I would never ask someone to go smoking legal drugs with me. Knowing you let the girls ask you out? In fact that sounds like what happened in that case. I never heard anything else after that but... It is a weird place

32:02 The reason why I'm sensitive about this is because I once said something in the Netherlands almost 30 years ago. You were joking? And obviously, it didn't make a joke but what they sat me down you know...I had to apologize and was a big deal Well let's hear this story! This by the way on this show I want to mention everybody out there who helps his show when they contribute to the show and they donate to the show and they produce the show and all the rest of it On any given show, I tell this to people. Adam or myself would be fired two or three times in the normal circumstance but since we work for ourselves and we produce the show and have our own infrastructure nobody can stop us We do a lot of stuff that would get us fired But now we have it as example that Adam is going to give us Of him actually almost getting fire over something

33:00 So this must have been in 85 or 86. In the Netherlands, I was on the official radio there in the Netherlands and it was I'm trying to think what it was in relation to but anyway there was a news item and In the news item with something about some guys who well, you know You see how? It had to do with Israel and Palestine or something like that. I don't really ride have to look it up to remember the specifics then said no, you know The reason why this gets attention is you know Look at who's running the media in America And I commented and I said well, he's got a point there You know the names you see on the credit rolls in Hollywood often end with Steen

33:41 And man, especially the Netherlands. People lost their crap over it There was one very famous singer and she said when he said that I just remembered the Nazis jackboots walking down the hallway while i was hiding That's the kind of stuff that happened to me And it was really just a, you know been off the cuff comment I learned obviously. And then to see then the... It's I think it's the what's called the CO... Hmmmm.... I forget the name that you know like an ADL of Netherlands. Robbie something or other. I mean he started making statements in the newspaper and they're calling for my... I was like oh hold on! I'll come over let's sit down let's talk about it. I really am pleased

34:27 And the point was, jokes or offhanded remarks propagate the lies that the Jews run the banks, the Jews run the media etc. So jokes like that propagate the lies even though they're a joke I just don't understand why a pass is given What are we not spoken about? The comic book guy What were we gonna do? I was going to give you the backstory on that. Yeah, yeah, I don't know anything You said we're gonna talk about it on the show well And I gotta be careful because if I say it wrong then he'll get really upset Who is he comic strip blogger

34:27 And the point was, jokes or offhanded remarks propagate the lies that the Jews run the banks, the Jews run the media etc. So jokes like that propagate the lies even though they're a joke I just don't understand why a pass is given What are we not spoken about? The comic book guy What were we gonna do? I was going to give you the backstory on that. Yeah, yeah, I don't know anything You said we're gonna talk about it on the show well And I gotta be careful because if I say it wrong then he'll get really upset Who is he comic strip blogger

35:11 His name is Jacek something or other, I don't remember his real name. And he's a fan of yours? Well he latched onto the Daily Source Code couple years ago and he started in the comments and would write these outrageous things you know as we would say in Holland, his heart was on his tongue But you know and he's also coincidentally the guy that started this whole fuck you Adam Curry business because that's literally how he talks. And it was just really interesting to me, I googled him and found out that he had worked at Nokia and... I guess he had a blog and he was basically posting on the blog about shit that sucked within the company

35:59 That's, I'm paraphrasing as to what it exactly was. And so he got fired and some say he got kicked out of Finland. How do you get kicked out of Finland? You don't want to cross Nokia's path man they are Finland and out of anger and spite but maybe also because there was more future in the platform He became a huge proponent of Windows Mobile And he started blogging and podcasting, he'd go around to these MVP events which I believe he's been banned from now. He would ask really straightforward questions actually journalistically great questions but his approach of course was very brash and you know it be the equivalent going up to... now i saw a piece video done in the Apple UK store where a journalist went up to Phil Schiller and said so

36:52 You know, is this going to be a problem with anti-competitive laws in Europe where you basically have to buy something to get something else? So are you tying the phone to the network and then immediately the PR people jump in and Schiller backs off. It's that kind of question straight to the point. Right good stuff. Exactly good stuff! And it freaks him out now I think his appearance and the way he speaks has this Polish German accent and just the vocabulary... Yeah so I got really interested in the guy uh... and that you know i think it just missed made a jingle for me on the start calling in and he knows a lot of shit particularly about the european union and so can you give reports on that what was like white what give us some examples

37:32 Is he an EU basher? No, no. He really believes in the EU but he points out all of the things that are wrong and that are messed up... And you know he's another guy who gets stopped going into another country then he'll record it and say why do I have to show passports am i not a citizen which of course is a great way not to get through passport control. Yeah, that works! But he's... no he's a beautiful guy and then one time we set up a date after years we would meet at the UK office and this video was on YouTube I think on his site comicstripblog.com He interviewed me about my mobile devices and it was so funny because then he gave me a PowerPoint pitch

38:19 about what he wanted to do to work for Podshow, you know like a consultant type role. And it was so funny it was the only pitch I've ever received in my life that literally ended with the slide that says PS fuck you Adam Curry. Oh man this is so beautiful! Well I can kind of transition from this into two central bankers came out on the same day and essentially said the same thing The former chief of the central bank of the Netherlands, the Nederlands Bank, Nouwt Vellink said, oh this Bitcoin. This is nothing more than tulip mania! Except at the end of the day you had a tulip!

38:19 about what he wanted to do to work for Podshow, you know like a consultant type role. And it was so funny it was the only pitch I've ever received in my life that literally ended with the slide that says PS fuck you Adam Curry. Oh man this is so beautiful! Well I can kind of transition from this into two central bankers came out on the same day and essentially said the same thing The former chief of the central bank of the Netherlands, the Nederlands Bank, Nouwt Vellink said, oh this Bitcoin. This is nothing more than tulip mania! Except at the end of the day you had a tulip!

39:04 and I need to say something about that. That's a good line! Well, no it's not... I see other people do this tulip thing you know that's just crazy well what's interesting is that beanie babies is something we all remember but I did some research on the tulip thing and this it's a little different than the way we remember There's a book which Sir Von der Helm had some scanned pages somehow, he gave it to me. And this comparison... Essentially whenever there is like a bubble they say oh that's like the Dutch Tulip Craze! I think some history is warranted

39:44 About the what that actually was I mean, what do you the way you understand it John is? Is that it the Dutch tulip craze with just people went crazy about a non-product and the bubble burst and now was it? I mean Do you have any been to them for very popular and they were being bred to be certain ways and just certain tools became very valuable And then there was a shortage in the market. And then people began would happen which people began to speculate on the bulbs And once that happened, it was doomed. But it was definitely a craze. So let me tell you what actually happened. This wasn't so much about the bubble as it was about the trading that was going on. Now this is the 1630's

40:27 There were hardly there was no CNBC. There were no newspapers They had pamphlets which are kind of like flyers and people would print something up and hand it out but what have this was the bad commodities trade in the Netherlands kind of invented the Stock market, and this was a part of that because what happened with these With these tulip trades is people were not taking possessions of the bulb or the flower just to contract And that was something that was new And by the way, in order to understand a history like this you have to get the Dutch texts which I am able to read so it's kind of unique that i can explain this to you because I read through the dutch copy of what really went down. So this was something that was new is people would buy a tulip and they would only get a piece of paper that was... You know the ball... Yes? By the way, I want to interrupt

41:20 Anytime you have some new technology that take or some new mechanism financial mechanism that makes it look as though you can make a lot of money People jump on it because they see the Bitcoin is probably I think is a good example now to bring this up This part of it. Is yes, this is exactly my point So people were in it to make money on the transaction instead of making money on the commodity itself This is this is where there was a big difference now There was a lot of trouble with these flowers. They were hard to identify, there were a lot of mistakes being made and a lot of fraud but in 1936

42:00 One of these pamphlets, again very few newspapers if any floated rumors that the state was considering taxing the tool. This was in 1836 or 1636? 1636 I'm sorry what did i say you said 1936 and by the way if you notice what you said was 1936 which is exactly yeah exactly 400 years 300 years later Yeah interesting So 1636, one of these pamphlets floated rumors the state was considering taxing this trade because they weren't really buying commodities. It was kind of like a transaction tax is what they were looking at. On February 3rd, 1637 is when the first bad auction took place in Harlem and there were essentially no buyers

42:47 On February 24th in Amsterdam, there was a big meeting. All the traders got together and they said okay you know what we've got to unwind all this every trade after November 30th of 1636 can be unwound for 10% fee on the actual transaction Of course you know the big guys didn't really get hurt though some of the little guys got screwed And so it's kind of like a bailout one of the early bailouts But why did this happen? And all the texts say that there is a very clear parallel of the plague. The plague, of course in 1600s was like you know it happened but the peak of the tulip mania trade coincided with the peak of the Black Plague where 30% of cities were literally dying and in 1636 before this bad auction

43:42 12 or 14 of the big tulip traders died of the plague and their kids, or their family, or other people within their organization took over the trade. So it's not that crazy to think that when you have like the backup guy running the trade or someone who doesn't know anything about this trading at all come into this and there is plague and people are dying, its a weird time. That was really the impetus for this to fall apart no so much that all of sudden people realized tulip wasn't worth anything which to this day isn't true! A Tulip is definitely worth money just wasn't

44:23 The kind of money they were paying for it at the time. So, the crash really coincided with the new people coming in after the plague wiped out the original traders. And that's the part that is, it's iffy at best to say there's a bubble it always pops and always goes this way its overvalued and it's not! The only comparison that's fair I think you're right Is that it was a trade based upon the value of the trade in what you can make in selling the ownership paper on instead of the actual money. Yeah speculation causes these issues Exactly They're gonna hate me for saying this, but I don't care. I remember being invited and accepting the invite on Ray Lane's G5 jet to fly from San Francisco to...I think it was Burbank? It was Burbank or no, it was Long Beach and they had the Tesla so it was like a huge elitist thing. And it was like lined up there is that eat the eBay guys playing like everyone's plane was there

44:23 The kind of money they were paying for it at the time. So, the crash really coincided with the new people coming in after the plague wiped out the original traders. And that's the part that is, it's iffy at best to say there's a bubble it always pops and always goes this way its overvalued and it's not! The only comparison that's fair I think you're right Is that it was a trade based upon the value of the trade in what you can make in selling the ownership paper on instead of the actual money. Yeah speculation causes these issues Exactly They're gonna hate me for saying this, but I don't care. I remember being invited and accepting the invite on Ray Lane's G5 jet to fly from San Francisco to...I think it was Burbank? It was Burbank or no, it was Long Beach and they had the Tesla so it was like a huge elitist thing. And it was like lined up there is that eat the eBay guys playing like everyone's plane was there

45:26 and they had, seriously. And they had Teslas and you would wait in line and have drinks and everything and then you'd get in almost like a... Have a few drinks first Yeah like a carnival ride and you get in line and then step off the little podium into the car and then you wait for the next one to come along and it was your turn and then you ride around the tarmac They had top gear They had a whole part of the track This was this was the investor scam and this also got them money It's hugely this thing Did you go? I told you of course i went! You crazy?! So, you drove the Tesla. No no no... I did not get in one Why? I don't stand in line for anything. I did however fly it. So are you telling me there's a buncha guys flying with their private jets standing in line to ride a tesla and then they were putting up on the board who had bought one

46:18 on a big LED board. That's like something you'd find down in Alabama! Yeah, we got our pigs for sale, we got the pig right here, big fat pig now anybody wants to buy this pig? Put your name on the list. Like the Mechams auto auction they do that too. We gotta buy it over here! So who was there that bought one? Oh, everyone was there. Bezos... Everybody bought one?! Yeah! But you couldn't- I don't think you could fit in on of these things It's a lotus... No, no, it doesn't fit in the Lotus body The little lotus body is dinky Yeah but I wasn't interested The reason why when I went to ride free riding usually more interested in G5 I sat up front in the g5 and this so hilarious And it was with Bloom and Marta So like four people in a G5 which holds 20 people That how disgusting it is

47:07 I like Ray Lane by the way, he's a good guy. And you know, and I'll ride in your jet so I flew jump seat in the cockpit this is brand new and these pilots are all cocky and uh... relaying to the back and i'd so i didn't see this but he did a drinking scotch in stuff is like on that kind of need to wear my seatbelt on my own plane and they land and for some reason uh... the book the brakes were on lock when they landed so the rear wheels hit the tarmac and the nose wheel slams down apparently relaying went flying through the entire cabin with a skype caller early on yeah

47:46 Those guys are like it was the whole thing was embarrassing as I yeah, they're like showing off cuz you know I got my license like a you know You propeller boy. You helicopter boy watch us boom that almost broke the nose the nose gear off That was a funny little bit Let me see what I have all right now We're gonna stop you're gonna tell us about podcasting well get a request from a part of podcasting that is poorly told because by the history books it started in 2004 but it actually started in 2000 and I went to New York, had to go beat somebody up over some money I was owed

47:46 Those guys are like it was the whole thing was embarrassing as I yeah, they're like showing off cuz you know I got my license like a you know You propeller boy. You helicopter boy watch us boom that almost broke the nose the nose gear off That was a funny little bit Let me see what I have all right now We're gonna stop you're gonna tell us about podcasting well get a request from a part of podcasting that is poorly told because by the history books it started in 2004 but it actually started in 2000 and I went to New York, had to go beat somebody up over some money I was owed

48:29 And which is a true story another story for another time and Dave Weiner was in New York at the time I think he was just in us for some conference And I knew Dave Weiner from radio user land and the blogging stuff and RSS, and I had written this this blog post what you can still find on archive.org which is The final yard I think it is so instead of oh no the last yard said the last mile the last yard and I had This concept in my head Which was? Since at the time we only had modems that were, they were cable modems but they were always on. It wasn't broadband it was you know it was more broadband than dial-up but really wasn't all that great The cable infrastructure really sucked

49:12 But you didn't have to dial in, so it was always on. And I had this idea that in order to create a good multimedia experience which we didn't have... It wasn't click and play, it was click wait for 10 minutes and then all of the sudden they would play if it was video might take less long with MP3 file hard for people to imagine but that's the world we were in I said, why not have since the computer is always on it's always connected to the internet. Why not create a little thing? A little program that runs in the background and when there's when there's a new video or piece of content is available It downloads it without telling the user but when it has it on its hard drive it pops up a message and says hey! I've got something new for you here And then you click on it plays immediately which would give you a great

49:58 A great experience like oh I clicked on something it said it was new and it played immediately which was would have been sorcery and magic at the time. And I presented this to Weiner who scoffed at me, didn't kick me out but he's like whatever you know these...I think he thought I was MTV boy shut up But then I took his software, his Radio Userland programs, pro scripting application and I created what I was talking about. And he looked at it and said, I now understand what you're saying. You have to promise me one thing so that's that the never ever touch my software again. Okay? I promised that. That's when he came up with a way to implement this which was the enclosure tag in the RSS feed format

50:46 And we were actually using this for three years before podcasting came to be. But it wasn't until the iPod happened that for me in my head, it clicked like wait a minute we can use this In conjunction with the iPod because I looked at the iPod and didn't say jukebox as everyone was saying. I said radio receiver all we need to do is Have away for people to subscribe and we had that the RSS mechanism was subscribed And I built a little script and popped it over to the to the iPod and that was the birth of podcasting I'm gonna show my school by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that! Oh yeah, that'd be fab!

51:37 Wow. Well, it's Leet the good stories by the way well of course I've had a rich life what do you expect? A lot of show business stories more than I have that for sure so and so many still to tell John so many I have not told them this year. Not only that but we have another hour to go with more stories from you This is true this is true in the meantime because were on leet yeah show 1337 which is Leet l-e-e-t in Hacksaw and uh... we promised everyone a special executive producer for the leach shown we're gonna have to put together a list uh... on thirteen thirty eight especially

52:14 Elite the elitists that produced this show today now will we also have a like more options like? 133 dot 7 is that the idea or is it just is it gotta be if you want to be truly leads W 3 3 options as usual good. I mean, I want I wanna lead keychain I want a challenge coin for this episode. It will act well, yeah, I'm sure you want a lot Yeah, but it'll be in the newsletter I did yesterday nice Well done John already done is in the can again thanks to sir Rupin waffles or syrup and waffles for producing this episode and

52:59 It's quite a lot of work you put into it, so that is highly appreciated. This is why we have the best producers in the universe and let us get right into it! Second part of my stories here on NO AGENDA, The Elite Edition Yes off the grid for a moment here with no agenda shush-shush show Off the grid where we break up with with big tech and we're happy about it. Very happy I do have a couple of stories to that were sent in couple things to mention and your review

53:39 Do you recall on the previous show we were talking about the device, the manager of devices at Google saying yeah you should probably disclose to guests that come over if you're using a Google speaker or Amazon Alexa. You should probably disclose to them that these systems are listening all the time? Yeah because they didn't sign the document, the EULA Right, and do you remember what we made a recommendation of how you could shame people into not having these devices? Yeah it was extreme but it was a good idea. So Brad... You may want to repeat it I... Well producer Brad reports Adam the butt porn search worked! That was my suggestion say hey Google search for butt porn

54:31 And Brad writes in, Adam no fricking joke man. You just made my phone look up butt porn I was playing you through a Bluetooth speaker and you hey googled my phone into looking it up! I couldn't believe it worked so after 15 minutes of browsing butt porn I decided to email you So it does work excellent thank you very much Brad for that report Well we almost didn't have a show John What happened? Bah I uh... Did you get protested by the kids? Nah, nah nah. No no no. I had a full-on overnight point of no return test drive in a battery car. It crapped out? No! No it didn't crap out but The former New York banker he needed to go to Galveston and have always said hey anytime you need my truck take the truck leave the Tesla with me

54:31 And Brad writes in, Adam no fricking joke man. You just made my phone look up butt porn I was playing you through a Bluetooth speaker and you hey googled my phone into looking it up! I couldn't believe it worked so after 15 minutes of browsing butt porn I decided to email you So it does work excellent thank you very much Brad for that report Well we almost didn't have a show John What happened? Bah I uh... Did you get protested by the kids? Nah, nah nah. No no no. I had a full-on overnight point of no return test drive in a battery car. It crapped out? No! No it didn't crap out but The former New York banker he needed to go to Galveston and have always said hey anytime you need my truck take the truck leave the Tesla with me

55:28 Yeah, so he probably caught me. He calls me up says I got to take my kid to Galveston Then the Tesla can't make it said well this weekend. I happen to be going to Bryan College Station Which is a hundred and ten miles from Austin? Oh yeah no problem goes Bell round trip on the No, sir. No no no no The Tesla will do really real road performance about 180 miles No, no that's not true. Yeah okay I just did this! I'm just telling you I've seen the specs. Yes I've heard what Elon said. Oh Elon! Specs-mech? Who am i supposed to believe you or Elon?! Do you mind if I just run through my experience so we can have a final on the battery car known as Tesla? Go

56:20 So he's all worried. He's like, oh you won't make it so now I'm staying overnight don't worry about it find a place second He owns the car yes And he says you won't make it when it's a known fact they do 350 miles 350 miles which Tesla is that I'd buy all of them. No, I don't know which one he has the S90 I don't know which model I think you guys... I think that's the hot rod it's a hot rod oh it's a hot rod we already discussed this So I'd driven this before but never done an overnight and he was like, well you know you got to charge it. And it takes eight hours. Dude don't tell me anything! This would be great for the show or we won't have a show so let me try it out He says okay that's funny do that okay great. So I get in the car and I've driven it before but I'm sitting there now and he drives off from the truck I'm like shit I forgot how to start this thing

57:16 That's how stupid it was. Like, oh you don't have to start it? You just gotta put in the drive! I was looking for a button you know like my truck has a button and press the button and the car starts so that's how disoriented I was but anyway... I remember how works I started driving and he left me with about 200 miles on the on the range meter. So I started driving, now this is multiple roads it's a 290 71 21 so there's you know the roads aren't really great highways all the way and some surface issues which man you're driving a Tesla on a poorly surfaced road it's noisy! It's very noisy

58:01 And I'd also forgot, yeah. Oh yeah! I think the tires or something it's low profile tires. Low profile tires are the worst. Very very noisy and i've forgotten that you actually have to keep your hand on the steering wheel when you do the auto steer And it says after, oh put your hands on the wheel. Like okay and I kept forgetting this because it's just plugging along 65 miles an hour. It's steering itself like ah love this thing. Can't you get some clip-on hands? Well I'll tell you a couple of things... You don't want that because These roads, you know sometimes there's a little construction that splits off. At least twice I had to really grab the wheel and disengage because it would have taken me off into the side of the railing. Into the drink! Yes! It's not that... Dukes of Hazzard style! It's not that great

58:51 If you really don't, you really don't want to take... But I did keep my hands off three times and then it goes bing-bing-bing-bing! Uh, auto steer no longer available for this trip. You stupid slave. He could put in jail You get put in the auto steering jail. And you have to pull over, you gotta put it in park and then you can use the auto steer again But I'm telling you John No one should rely on this auto steer Unless your on a proper highway with at least three lanes...You really don't want to do this! I'm telling you two times Really I would've gone off...yeah Dukes of Hazzard style Anyway so I get there Remember I started out with 100 and well a little under 200

59:33 I get there, and I've got four... no, I have 35 miles left. It's a 110 mile trip so already the battery thing is like your phone you know it tells you got a couple hours but then when you get right down to it you really don't yeah you got 15 minutes yeah and um I had to find a charger in just a hotel well you already met with one But you had already mapped it out, so this was not a problem. No I had downloaded... You got to get a million apps! You gotta get Charge Station and you gotta get EVgo. You have to understand what the different charging options are level 1 level 2 and then the big honker which is the supercharger which pretty much only exists at Tesla stores i think? Yeah I'm out here in California. Yeah sure in California but not in Texas

1:00:25 So I'm like, now luckily this is Aggieland. This is Texas A&M so they got a big campus and sure enough there's a whole bunch of Chargers but they're all three miles away because it's you know... It's College Station everything's three miles away. So I'm driving around and yeah have you ever been on campus in the weekend? And all the gates are up and down that thing's like a penitentiary Texas A&M is a fucking jail Everything is a gate this cameras looking at your license plate scanning you before you can go in I think I finally find the garage after trying to pull into one that had a charging station but was only for students and now i'm down like 15 miles you know it's... So you're getting white knuckle? I'm getting low battery warnings. We're going to shut... It's great because this is the worst part of it, I've tested all these electric cars and the white knuckle thing is the worst! Yeah well and I'm like... You know you can't go get a can of gas

1:01:23 So and it's giving me these warnings and you know, which flash on and off they go away before You can really read them properly. It's we're gonna shut down stuff like what? What are you gonna shut down? Yeah, it shut down the heated seat shuts down The air conditioning is getting a little okay Finally I'm in the garage there it is the charger And now I really start to realize what all of this entails because you have to have you bet to be a member Of the Charger Network So it says hold your card. I don't have a card, i just want to charge! I need some power and this is a level 2 so there's really no more than 220 volts and you jam that in and it'll take...I think it gives you 18 miles per hour that you sit there charging. Let me get this straight instead of accepting a normal credit card or American Express

1:02:12 It requires you actually be a member. Yes, oh wait let me guess why because it serves alcohol? I think it would be for tracking purposes You really don't feel very free in this ecosystem So now luckily, well you can download their app and we know what that means They get all your information and then you can sign up with your credit card with your name. So now they have everything on me I can't just anonymously tap up or tank up or top-up? I have to tell them who I am then you can use your phone as the you know the near the NFC near field communication click okay, and then you can finally start and you put it in and

1:02:54 You know, I walked away and of course I had to drop a pin tell Tina where it was so she'd come and pick me up in her car. Her gas car? Her gas car! Her gas guzzler! Her horrible climate change causing vehicle... So, you know I and like how do i know that you know it's still charging Yeah what happens if the craps out in the middle of the charge decides to stop well the asses say oh whoa wait wait wait You're a member of the club and you've got this app, so if that happens you are immediately alerted. Possibly! Look I got enough charge we still had to leave last night at 10 o'clock it's a good two-hour drive certainly at night So it really only charged for six hours when we left I had 155 miles to go I got in on like a Penn Light battery charge pretty much

1:03:53 into the garage at our place in downtown Austin. But this car, and also after two hours of driving... You don't want to drive this more than it can do! You're tired! It's a sports car! It's rough you know? It's not a smooth ride. This product I can't speak for all electric vehicles, but this product the Tesla has got to be one of the stupidest things ever invented and people who buy one are either virtue signaling have too much money or both. It's a it's stupid

1:04:30 stupid for in the city. This is not the same report you gave us the last time I don't even that's not your right maybe it's because the cars have been on the road for a couple of years, i dont know maybe they did an upgrade maybe it was you know the sophomore experience like now this really was not great product in my mind its not great its not good. I would like somebody to find the old clip Then I'm going on and on about the greatest thing ever and how that hands-free is fantastic or whatever it was a driver Auto Drive. Yeah, none of these complaints none zip so we're gonna go down route 35 which is you and if we left around 4 3 34 o'clock So traffic is building up and I 35 can get pretty gnarly let me tell you something John

1:05:22 This car blew my mind with the autopilot. I did not drive to New Braunfels, the car drove itself. Oh that's nice! And from stop and go traffic we were on the web browser, connecting phones and the car is just driving by in fact at a certain point we have to get off I-35 and i'm thinking...I wonder if it'll actually just do that too? That's how comfortable it felt lane changes click. I never drove one with a feature oh my god now, I'm very familiar with Adaptive cruise control and with you know with systems that keep you in your lane It'll kind of bop you back into the lane But this was an absolute mind-boggling experience any car I have in the future I want this technology in it You know what? I did a reality show

1:06:12 of our family called Adams Family in 2002 I think, 2002-2003 and we produced it all ourselves so we had like one camera guy living with us. I did a camera and had one editor everything done on Final Cut Pro when it was broadcast every Saturday night prime time uh... on SBS broadcasting in the Netherlands you know have the rights to that you know what could do first of all I want you see it because if they get kick out of it because um Even though it was completely unscripted and everything happened. Everything you saw was chronological order You'll see that just by editing we really made it into something entertaining and particularly editing to hit records, you know Like soundtrack to your life type hit records Which I should put that up online because I have the right yeah, sure But I want to make me everyone share. I want to make money off of it good luck

1:07:12 So I'm shopping in this street and looking for some shoes. And so, there's some shop that I went into and it was a really cool pair of shoes. And I figured I'd buy them but they didn't quite fit right. But the guy gave me a lecture saying you know this is one two shoe companies left in Holland that made these shoes and he went on and on with a lament about how many shoe companies are used to be, I guess this goes back to the wooden shoe days. He said that there were hundreds at one point sure and they've all consolidated down to like 1 or 2 and they're about to go broke well and that's also part of a larger gripe in the Netherlands is that you know they have been saying for maybe 15-20 years now the government has basically put Holland into

1:08:01 Into the into the storefront window everything has been sold. They don't make anything We were complaining about America they don't make anything there is nothing being produced in Holland anymore Nothing zero you know except well banking and that just got sold a bean amaro You know sold to what was that Barclays? I don't know, I didn't follow that. Yeah so that was kind of like the last thing the Netherlands has and there's just no more industry there and it used to be a very industrious trading based nation...no longer!

1:08:43 Nothing, so I don't really care. I mean, I don't know why these countries believe...I guess they're all locked into this internationalism globalism and they just believe that they can get all their products elsewhere cheaper in such a way that they never have to worry about ever making them again but you have some Hitler cropped up in the day and age It would be easy, these countries would be a walkover. They wouldn't have to have a blitzkrieg. Oh no it would be very easy! The Netherlands of course in the Second World War capitulated within like five days and they gave up their three rifles and two bicycles

1:09:23 Well, more than two bicycles according to the Dutch. That's all they do is still bitch about the fact that the bicycles are never returned. Yeah... Oh God! That is a joke we don't make anymore in Holland John. That is no longer valid culturally speaking not politically correct Why? When did that change? Well, as we all got older. I've dealt with lots of Germans my age and this is great the new Germans, I'll just call them you know the generation that has now grown up whose parents were born during the Second World War they're very reliable in general I'd have to say in business dealings

1:10:07 They're pretty reliable, they're friendly. I like doing business with them and culturally they are quite rich you know? So we just don't mess with them anymore because now they are just our good neighbors and by the way what an economy! When Germany sneezes, The Netherlands catches a cold So the bicycle issue is off the table? Yeah, we do not... No. We do not say that anymore. Yesterday we went over to The Netherlands and just had dinner basically with my sister both of my sisters there are significant others and the kids so we just got back I'm ready to get this New Year's thing over with already

1:10:58 So what's where'd you eat? Hmm this place called a veranda which actually I have a better dinner story although This was fun, but this was kind of a place where the kids could run around yeah They're like between ages 7 and 10 so You know it's like we didn't go to an overly posh place. I did however with Christina and Patricia and Christina's boyfriend du jour Jake We went to Cliveden house you familiar with Cliveden Oh yeah. Okay, so we went there and we had because Patricia and I have stayed there before and We went to have dinner And I was all ready because like okay? I'm gonna order a really awesome bottle of wine cuz I know Patricia will be she'll be into it and You know I was sure I could you know between the two of us I could probably do a bottle of one I was really gonna get a good one, and I'm looking at

1:11:46 at the... what do you call it? The wine menu, the wine list. It's the wine list and I think if they're not mistaken that place has one that looks like a Manhattan phone directory. It is amazing and i saw it was 1953 Latour I'm like, yeah. I'm gonna go for this baby. Can I guess the price? Can I get the price? Yeah, you can guess it sure now Now you have I know the part of the pound price so, you know your currency In pounds in pounds now England and America United States, I think we would probably that wine would be around

1:12:25 53 Latour would be probably around $7,500. Now I would think that in England because they're closer to the source and they collect those wines broadly across those kinds of restaurants...I'm thinking that wine might be priced as low 3,000 pounds and actually there were a couple of the tours the there were two different ones from 53 and one Of them was 3400 and one of them was 2400 so you are awfully awfully close in fact right I was right in the middle yeah right in the middle But needless to say, Patricia, like I really don't feel like wine tonight. And then what do you do? It's like yeah, I'm not gonna drink a whole bottle of wine. Do you say... I know! Sure no problem. I know but it's all you give me is a doggy bag and i'll take it home with me and I don't want just drink it by myself so I didn't do it. And I know it sounds incredibly bourgeois or

1:13:24 What is the word I'm looking for? We're talking about a 7,000... Decadent. Ah yes thank you! We're talking about a $7,000 bottle of wine but it really was going to be my gift to myself and didn't happen so... Yeah, it's kind of high. You could probably track that wine down on the open market for $1,000 maybe Really?! Wow Well let's do that fuck it when I come to San Francisco lets track one down Johnny boy Did I tell you that Lori Turner contacted me? Did I tell you about this story? No.

1:13:59 Laurie Turner, better known as LT in West Virginia when I went to school we had a radio station it was WITB which officially stood for We're In The Basement but of course we all knew it really meant we were into bong hits and it was a low power FM station. I was running the station within like three months but there was a DJ there who would...and she was a...I think she was sophomore or junior can't remember Laurie Turner and she was kind of this you know the exact kind of girl I kinda like a little tomboyish And she had that you know this of course was early 80 so she had a little bit streak of pink in her hair and She was a good jock, and it was you know? So We wound up having sex once and the next day. She said you know what um I think I'm lesbian

1:14:55 A story that very few guys would relate to anyone, but go ahead. My daughter loves this story by the way The only time I had sex in college is the next day you know hey man i'm really digging chicks So she and she dropped me a note the other said hey man remember me it's uh Elton was her name is different now so I'm not gonna, but she's still in radio and she's managing bands and she's still lesbian. It was great! Like hey LT how you doing? My 18 year old daughter really likes that story So what happens is you know You take your passport you want to fly to a different country And let's say you want to go to the United Kingdom not a part of the Schengen agreement so it's not really Europe you have To show your passport when you enter A note will pop up and say come with me

1:14:55 A story that very few guys would relate to anyone, but go ahead. My daughter loves this story by the way The only time I had sex in college is the next day you know hey man i'm really digging chicks So she and she dropped me a note the other said hey man remember me it's uh Elton was her name is different now so I'm not gonna, but she's still in radio and she's managing bands and she's still lesbian. It was great! Like hey LT how you doing? My 18 year old daughter really likes that story So what happens is you know You take your passport you want to fly to a different country And let's say you want to go to the United Kingdom not a part of the Schengen agreement so it's not really Europe you have To show your passport when you enter A note will pop up and say come with me

1:15:46 So you'll have to go. And there's some language here about what it actually is, so seriously delinquent tax debt... So first of all has to be $50,000 or more for which a notice of lien has been filed in public records pursuant to section 6323 or notice of levy has been filed which is basically wage garnishment Which I've had this happens. Let's say it happened to me as everybody yeah, so it happens and so they pull the passport So the State Department has to go through a rigmarole And then the guy pays because you know you pay and then what choice do you have? Then it takes forever remember I went through this

1:16:28 You didn't lose your passport. No, I would have had this been in play but i remember they said we know it takes forever? We don't know that takes forever! I do because uh... this happened to me they said well we can't you when my name started showing up on the payroll at Mevio or then Podshow in 2005 and was living in the UK and they say well where have you been for since 1999 so will I left the country oh yeah we can find any filings You didn't file any, you know. You don't have to pay taxes twice but we can't find any filings from you so... We're putting in lien and we think that's about 2.4 million dollars Mr. Curry And they came- the IRS came into our- That would get your attention? It did! The IRS came into our building with their guns remember that?! Uhh..I wasn't there Yeah they came and had their hands on their guns Looking for me So we can't find you Ever hear of Google

1:17:26 Idiot curry.com ever think of looking for me online and you know so then I had to go through all that reminds me at the time There's a number of John Dvorak said our writers yeah believe it or not, that's why get a call from the IRS Some guys be grousing at me says okay Just John DeVore Yeah, says well You're gonna give us our $70,000 I mean when are you gonna pay and I said what are you talking about? And I was like, Mimi! You know what kind of thing. What the hell's going on? He says yeah you're blah blah blah and I said I don't know anything about what you're talking about so your John DeVore right? So he goes yeah and then I guess I got lucky and said where am i supposed to be? He says you are in Kansas City. I said no

1:18:18 I'm in Port Angeles, Washington which is where it was when i got the call. He says uh... I said what's the social security number? I started grilling him What's the social security number you got there? Well he said well what's yours and I told him Oh! That's interesting Really? Yeah. Do you happen to know where another... You know where John Dvorak in Kansas is, my nicheando? Why don't you go look at the Kansas! Oh she called a Kansas guy?! Yeah. I'm not the only John Dvorak in the world. I don't know how they got my name or why they called me but then that was all sorry and they hooked me up. I don't even know if he said he's sorry just hung up. Well but my point is it took me almost half a year to get my wage garnishment removed

1:19:00 For them to, because I had to prove of course that uh...I had been overseas and I had to go through quite a bit of crap. Meanwhile, you know I think about with this number. This is multi-million dollar figure You weren't making that kind of money at me vo no But they look at ten years They say we haven't you haven't filed taxes in also they figured in 10 years plus all the penalties and everything gets cranked cranked exactly Exactly make a hundred thousand dollars a year and end up having to pay a two million dollar tax bill And then so fun pay for days actually answer them finally there They said, okay we agree and then it still took six weeks for them to actually because you know the company video couldn't just say Okay We believe you know they have to wait for official notice. It goes through the payroll system and all that no it's its host Its host I'm not a fan of Kennedy on Fox because I worked with her And she was a huge douchey at MTV she broke my ass. I should probably tell this story

1:20:01 She broke your ass? Yeah, it was the MTV Beach House. Which was... The first year of that was fantastic! It was a great idea Everyone's out in the Hamptons and a huge mansion and we're doing our shows from there And I think it was during a segment with Kennedy on wave runners which are now mistakenly called jet skis And I was doing my segment standstill you know in the water and she thought would be funny to ram her wave runner into me When of course I'm not expecting it from behind and what happens, i fall off and i fall on the edge of the wave runner with my ass. And it actually ruptured the muscle. So to this day I have a little dent in my butt. Thank you Kennedy. You know Christina's on her way to Jordan right now Why? She signed up for this show

1:21:00 Oh no. Yeah, I know reality show? They have to go rescue her and the way it works is they tell you on the day you're going leave where you're going She's been doing this before yeah that was not a good experience this is uh... No! The other one was when she went to Africa and there were all actors yeah she thought she was living with the tribe That is the funniest most humiliating story so the idea was she'd be fine It was like a celebrity Big Brother type, you know get out of the jungle type thing except the idea was these celebrities would go to Africa and live with an African tribe for a week or 10 days. And Christina called me about it I felt really bad the most bad she said what do you think? I said look i've traveled the world on someone else's dime grab the opportunity go-go-go how great is that

1:21:49 So she's in there for a week, you know and she's you know She's completely into it because this is my daughter. It's like if this is so stupid But I'll just get into it no matter what And yes even had her boobs out like all the all the other Women in the camp and his hauling firewood and then and then you know Like near the end all of sudden they say hey surprise we speak Dutch and it was all a big joke and she was devastated Yeah, it wasn't devastating. It was a bunch of actors with a bunch of bullcrap cut customs and rituals. Yeah, that she completely got in through. That's so sad. So now I think that's a great idea for show. I think it should have been done in the United States. No no no. It failed miserably. The audience did not like it because it was too big. It was over the top where you can make fun of poor African slaves. You see this? Something like something like yeah something like that would never do what we take out of Africa moving into the ghetto

1:22:45 Yeah, that would work. The Deep South Appalachia, because then I might be offensive too so it's hard to make it not offensive but It is funny yeah you're gonna tell us the Madonna story Oh the Madonna story geez I'm glad you reminded me Well you were wandering off Like like you were trying to avoid it anyway go on. It's not now it's not all that big a deal so The way, it works is you sit down in the press office in their little cubby corner couch So they can all listen in on the speakerphone make sure you're not saying something horrible And so you knew the new VJ is great, you know, so this was not a live in studio interview This was with the well no TV guy or the phone TV guys of magazine. So it was yeah They were interviewing me about being the new VJ on the scene Okay alright go on and so You know you've been doing this because I'd been working in Holland and I met lots of celebrities In there. So what did you think of Madonna? She's not really that nice. Well hold on a second

1:23:45 Why would they ask that question out of the blue? Because MTV... No, it wasn't out of the blue. It's like okay you've been working in television You've been working music television. You've met lots of people who done lots of interviews I was- So what do you think of Madonna? Yeah she's not that nice. I thought they were gonna shit a brick and then like hit the mute button If you say that she had to perform on the Video Music Awards Oh You know those deals they would do? Yeah, you were just being too honest. Exactly! You don't want honesty! Nope nope that was... You weren't hired to be honest it's not your job Wrong thing wrong thinking career You're hired to talk and smile a lot Shut up and smile a lot boy exactly thats exactly what it was

1:24:42 So yeah, they've and they hated me. They never got press for me again after that I was not to be trusted with press Well Yeah, it was a screw-up No, it was honest. Yeah It was such a double standard. Yeah, I don't want to get into it so funny thing about the about the game Tony Henry is I guess he's an opera singer, an English opera singer and He was tasked with singing the national anthems. It was a game here in Wembley

1:25:20 and uh... so he sang the Croatian, is it the Croatian or Croat? Croatian? Croatian anthem. Cro- Cro- Cro- Croat well anyway. That would be the Croatian anthem would have to be So he made a mistake in the lyrics In front of 80 thousand people so here it is from BBC report He should've sung Mi la cuda si planina which roughly means you know my dear how we love your mountains but instead he sang, Mila kurisi planina which can be interpreted as my dear my penis is a mountain. Wow that's great! The funny thing is that the giraffe has no natural enemies did you know this? Except of course man, a hunter. The giraffe can slice you in two

1:25:20 and uh... so he sang the Croatian, is it the Croatian or Croat? Croatian? Croatian anthem. Cro- Cro- Cro- Croat well anyway. That would be the Croatian anthem would have to be So he made a mistake in the lyrics In front of 80 thousand people so here it is from BBC report He should've sung Mi la cuda si planina which roughly means you know my dear how we love your mountains but instead he sang, Mila kurisi planina which can be interpreted as my dear my penis is a mountain. Wow that's great! The funny thing is that the giraffe has no natural enemies did you know this? Except of course man, a hunter. The giraffe can slice you in two

1:26:17 And it can actually rotate its legs 360 degrees and just, it literally will knock you in two pieces. The giraffe has no natural enemy not the tiger or not the leopard none of that they could they can kick the crap out of anything Well they got a lot leverage You know how I found this out? Did I ever tell you that story? From the top half of a friend of yours. I will give it in the morning for that! There was a giraffe named after me at the Amsterdam Zoo. Adam The Giraffe Yes sir, and so it was like a press thing and I'm doing the radio show on Holland at the time And they're like is there a press thing for the zoo and we'll name it Adam and come take a look and take some pictures Oh my god thats kind of cool

1:27:07 And so, but there's Adams mom and I go right into the... because you know we're hanging out in the cages and everything. It's outside of zoo hours. Oh and you are gonna go pet that little guy? No no dude! I'm in the cage and my producer is taking a picture of me and I am standing right underneath the baby giraffe's mother which of course is two stories high like maybe a foot away from it from its from its front legs and I look and I see them the producer taking the picture and I see the zookeepers petrified they're like walk very slowly towards us now

1:27:52 And I'm like, what? They said you are about to die. It's a giraffe! Then they told me the whole story like you do not get in with a giraffe as cute as they are they will kill you Apparently, the douchebag elitist TED talk, TED conference. Not the TEDx! No no... The real one that you pay 10 grand for is just filled with douchebags so bad that women don't even want to go anymore I mean we're talking about jump pouncing on women, cornering them, pushing them up against the wall. And senior tech people rubbing their mashing their hard-ons against women

1:27:52 And I'm like, what? They said you are about to die. It's a giraffe! Then they told me the whole story like you do not get in with a giraffe as cute as they are they will kill you Apparently, the douchebag elitist TED talk, TED conference. Not the TEDx! No no... The real one that you pay 10 grand for is just filled with douchebags so bad that women don't even want to go anymore I mean we're talking about jump pouncing on women, cornering them, pushing them up against the wall. And senior tech people rubbing their mashing their hard-ons against women

1:28:45 It's disgusting. It's totally disgusting and you know that that is exactly the people who are doing this stuff because they've lost all control of reality I've seen this, i've seen it, you have seen it... I have seen tons of it! Douchebags Unbelievable The funny one though was Gene Simmons That one kind of surprises me isn't Gene Simmon married to Shannon Tweed? Yeah but no no no But he's not Being accused of anything other than being incredibly douchey and I have my own story about that because you know he He basically is just rude, and I guess he what do you be was in for the Fox Fox business news? Studios whatever it was news to me any offended members of the team

1:29:35 And so he ups it by saying, hey chick sue me. But here's the thing... I'll tell you this is Gene Simmons anyone who has met Gene Simmons for five minutes knows that this guy is like this and it's funny he used to come into the weekly music meetings at MTV when he was producing I was producing somebody, it wasn't a Kiss record. And at the time you know i was the only VJ in the music meeting this is where the payola occurred although I didn't see any and he comes in with knee pads on jumps up on the table says who do I have to blow to get this thing on the air? Yeah that's like Gene! Alright man and you know what they put it in rotation That's how it works baby You know it

1:30:26 So we were talking about tea before you started the recording and I was wondering, the public might be interested in some of our thoughts. You said that ever since you moved to England you've become kind of addicted to the product? Yeah well there's... The Dutch when I grew up in Holland they drink a lot of tea but they drink it differently than the UK here is really milk and sugar whereas I never would have ever considered putting milk in my tea ever before living here But I found out that culturally it really works for me. Essentially if someone walks in the house and they've got a bullet wound to the shoulder, the first thing everyone says is let's put a kettle on let's have some tea everything will be okay and And i just kind of fell into that and I love it now you know I must drink at least during the day If I'm near...if I can make it myself easily six to ten cups a day

1:31:21 And what's your preferred brand? PG Tips of course. The NHS is such an expensive program, granted you only pay $5 for no matter... that is your co-pay for everything no matter what it is for medication because I was in the system but I also remember Christina dislocated her knee And she was, you know developing woman at the time. She was in high school and it actually happened again and so we said shoot let's go get a scan and they said sure come back in eight weeks

1:32:01 And I'm like, well it seems kind of like no there's a waiting list. It's not priority and don't run in the meantime. Thanks! So I took her private...I paid for it and we walked into the same place There was no one there they were just sitting around They took my $5,000 dollars and did the scan The next day So it's not a very efficient system. It doesn't seem to me. Sounds like a crock of crap to me! Yeah, so now we had multiple experiences with NHS an emergency appendectomy did get taken care pretty quickly That's a plus But you know

1:32:43 Otherwise, I don't know. When you socialize the medicine and healthcare to that degree you can get waiting lists and prioritization it's the only way it can work! Anyways, I do have one print story if you're interested. I figured we'd share one with a No Agenda audience...one And this relates to, I think it was 90 and 1991. And I was in Minneapolis and I sent you the link for this earlier John. It was probably one of the only done three commercials for real products back in the heyday when I was Mr MTV guy. And one of them was for Sam Goody Musicland which no longer exists. Does exist anymore? No its gone right

1:33:30 I'm pretty sure it's gone. Yeah, and the big our records and the biggest store is at Mall of America which of course is in Minneapolis Oh, I didn't know that was not the biggest stores a minute man At the time that and that's you know That's where it was going to be done The store was huge And so put together kind of like a spinal tap Where I'm pretending to be on a tour some fantastic tour and then do you know how all these commercials they always have to have? Like a slide so you can put the current offers on it and so with almost like a completely different voice in the commercial you hear blank Like the bangles Millie willy, yeah like all these great people I'm on tour with but it's really it's the sam goody music land tour

1:34:15 And you know, I'm going around running on backstage and kind of like spinal tap. This is the best concert ever been on! And then I go to the stage open the doors and then of course I opened into the Into the store...and that's the stage or something. How creative It's in the show notes and it's one of the lamest things you've ever seen Fits perfectly. It paid? Not very much but it was a bit-I think it was maybe It was buyout maybe $5,000 dollars maybe It was, you know... not a good deal but back in the day anyway. Nor their movies by the way. I love fashion! I love fashion shows. I told you i went to the fashion show with my wife in Amsterdam on Sunday. Ah nice! And had my suit on

1:34:15 And you know, I'm going around running on backstage and kind of like spinal tap. This is the best concert ever been on! And then I go to the stage open the doors and then of course I opened into the Into the store...and that's the stage or something. How creative It's in the show notes and it's one of the lamest things you've ever seen Fits perfectly. It paid? Not very much but it was a bit-I think it was maybe It was buyout maybe $5,000 dollars maybe It was, you know... not a good deal but back in the day anyway. Nor their movies by the way. I love fashion! I love fashion shows. I told you i went to the fashion show with my wife in Amsterdam on Sunday. Ah nice! And had my suit on

1:35:02 What was the designer you saw? It's one designer, Paul Schulte. Patricia works with him every season on the show and what the model should look like and of course I'm highly interested Because what I get to do is, I get to hang around everywhere. There's just naked models walking around! It's awesome! I'm not kidding you... but it's like they're posing but they're all really tall and so I say excuse me i just gotta hug you for second I know your feeling the same way because when tall people hug each other and I always get it, I always get hugged its great But I really screwed up this time because my favorite favorite model of all time

1:35:44 Who always walks the Paul Schil to show and you know because all this the mega superstars or big buyers? Or celebrities and of course we're none of the above They get they sit right in the middle of the front row at their on the runway And so we're actually in an even better spot. That's like two spots to the right that's where the models make their turns They make their turn right in front of us And she always gives me, John I'm not kidding. She gives me the most wicked look. It's like a fantasy and it is a game because my wife and I laugh about it all the time. Let us see if she gives you that look. So anyway after the show she is upstairs You know, she's just taking everything off essentially and all of her model stuff. And I said, oh you know when is the divorce because my dream has to finally come through? And she says March 13th how did you know? Oops! Oh I felt so shitty

1:36:41 So we took her out to dinner. You're gonna feel worse when she starts calling. Oh, dude Not a problem I Said it right there said it's okay my wife is okay with it We can have an affair not a problem Patricia sitting right next door as funny other betting of Boris Johnson our new mayor is is ban... as of June 1st, this is gonna be funny he's banning open containers of alcohol on public transport good fucking luck I can just see the poor train conductor trying to take it you can do a lot of things but taking beer away from an inebriated Brit is just not one of the things you want have high in your list to do right especially if he's Irish thank-you

1:36:41 So we took her out to dinner. You're gonna feel worse when she starts calling. Oh, dude Not a problem I Said it right there said it's okay my wife is okay with it We can have an affair not a problem Patricia sitting right next door as funny other betting of Boris Johnson our new mayor is is ban... as of June 1st, this is gonna be funny he's banning open containers of alcohol on public transport good fucking luck I can just see the poor train conductor trying to take it you can do a lot of things but taking beer away from an inebriated Brit is just not one of the things you want have high in your list to do right especially if he's Irish thank-you

1:37:32 I sit in first class on the train home at 5.30 or 6 o'clock and man, some people are toasted! Toasted! In first class? Yeah well they don't have first-class tickets but they just come in barged in and everyone just ignores them right no one says anything and they're like burping and shouting and farting all over the place and conductor comes by he takes one look at him going like I'm gonna fucking deal with these bozos You know, hey you shouldn't be here gentlemen. Yeah right... No man wait until we get some Liverpool fans on the train that'll be fun put your beard on son Did I ever tell you a story when I flew to LA with Sean Penn? No

1:37:32 I sit in first class on the train home at 5.30 or 6 o'clock and man, some people are toasted! Toasted! In first class? Yeah well they don't have first-class tickets but they just come in barged in and everyone just ignores them right no one says anything and they're like burping and shouting and farting all over the place and conductor comes by he takes one look at him going like I'm gonna fucking deal with these bozos You know, hey you shouldn't be here gentlemen. Yeah right... No man wait until we get some Liverpool fans on the train that'll be fun put your beard on son Did I ever tell you a story when I flew to LA with Sean Penn? No

1:38:16 So, we're open for anecdotes on this. Yes! This is back in the MTV days probably 88-89 and there was a fabulous, fabulous flight between New York and Los Angeles and Los Angeles to New York that's all it did twice a day called MGM Grand Air Oh yes, that was an interesting plane. MGM Grand Air was a 727 or 737? I want to say 27. No no it was a longer plane it was either a 27... It's 27 and you could only-I think there were like 50 passengers of course MTV paid for this because they needed to get me out there. It wasn't much more expensive than a regular ticket actually

1:38:53 And so it had a bar, it was all captain's chairs and then state rooms. There were like four or five state rooms where you could sit three people on each side, the table would come up so that you could eat and the doors would close. Now I'd been in those once before... Like a train? Like a train! I've been in those ones before by myself and it was fantastic because you can move two benches together, have huge double bed, it was great but this one time I'm there with Sean Penn In the stateroom, with his brother. The one who died and Sean Penn's mom And it was weird You know, first of all his brother was his brother's name. I don't remember him He was drinking beer out of the can taking a shirt off in the plane Just bare-chested there is me and then mom was just very quiet and it was really odd like Hey, how you doing? Hey, you're that guy from vh1 aren't you my god Jesus Oh

1:39:51 VH1. That must have been the greatest source of your life Yeah, so I said yeah that's me Hey what was it like being married to Madonna? If you don't mind me asking He said hell hath no fury And then we pretty much just looked at each other for the rest of flight Very very bizarre I went to the North Pole once Have you ever been to the North Pole You're kidding me! You went to the North Pole Yes Would you like to hear the story Wow, yeah. That's impressive. No I have not been to the North Pole. Oh this was with OnRamp before we took it public and changed the name to Think New Ideas Ron and I were running a company And there was a promotion that we did with another agency called The Molson Ice Polar Beach Party

1:39:51 VH1. That must have been the greatest source of your life Yeah, so I said yeah that's me Hey what was it like being married to Madonna? If you don't mind me asking He said hell hath no fury And then we pretty much just looked at each other for the rest of flight Very very bizarre I went to the North Pole once Have you ever been to the North Pole You're kidding me! You went to the North Pole Yes Would you like to hear the story Wow, yeah. That's impressive. No I have not been to the North Pole. Oh this was with OnRamp before we took it public and changed the name to Think New Ideas Ron and I were running a company And there was a promotion that we did with another agency called The Molson Ice Polar Beach Party

1:40:45 and it was a contest, and it was 100 winners. And it would be... It was cool MTV-like contest actually. A hundred winner would go to the North Pole for concert with Metallica Actually it was Metallica, Hole, so Courtney Love and one other band I can't remember. And we did a cybercast from the North Pole and it was pretty interesting because you know what we... The only way to do is that we took a multiplexer So we could take 24 phone lines basically convert that into like 150 kilobits per second or whatever. We had that linked all the way down from Tuk to YukTuk

1:41:25 which is Northwestern Territory. So, and you know literally like a couple miles inside the Arctic Circle there. Well let's get back to how did you get to the North Pole? Ah! Well it's a combination of many flights and the last one is basically an otter So an otter is one of those airplanes with the huge inflated tires and it's a real workhorse. You can sit in it, kind of like jump seats but its really meant for taking cargo. And yeah so you basically land up on the ice near drilling platform up there and not being the dark period it was light for 24 hours straight which was really weird

1:42:10 And of course you're up there, we had our crew and were sleeping in the oil barracks if you will. As is Metallica as is everybody. There's nothing to do obviously And it's dry, right? There is no alcohol. It is forbidden but we figure that we can probably figure something out so we go outside and its midnight but kids are riding around on their bikes as if it were midday and some of the kids come over and say hey... Wait wait wait! Let us back up a minute there are bunch of people at the North Pole Well it not exactly on the North Pole North Pole but within I don't know what is it

1:42:52 50 miles, 75 miles? Yeah. There's all kinds of villages. I thought it was pretty barren up there It was pretty barren up there! Oh okay No kidding You know the next town with several hundred miles and that was in New Vic I think is what it was called Anyway... I need to give a little background my own personal background In 1995 we started Pod Show This was with venture capital money something. I'll never do again, but it was fun with Kleiner Perkins and Kleiner Perkins They had a CEO weekend and we all went to Pebble Beach Which was really really horrible weekend for me because of course what everyone does at Pebble Beach is let's go golfing Of course yeah well guess what? I can't oh no I don't golf But they and Ray Lane that one of the general partners said hey, I got you some shoes You're coming with us

1:42:10 And of course you're up there, we had our crew and were sleeping in the oil barracks if you will. As is Metallica as is everybody. There's nothing to do obviously And it's dry, right? There is no alcohol. It is forbidden but we figure that we can probably figure something out so we go outside and its midnight but kids are riding around on their bikes as if it were midday and some of the kids come over and say hey... Wait wait wait! Let us back up a minute there are bunch of people at the North Pole Well it not exactly on the North Pole North Pole but within I don't know what is it

1:42:52 50 miles, 75 miles? Yeah. There's all kinds of villages. I thought it was pretty barren up there It was pretty barren up there! Oh okay No kidding You know the next town with several hundred miles and that was in New Vic I think is what it was called Anyway... I need to give a little background my own personal background In 1995 we started Pod Show This was with venture capital money something. I'll never do again, but it was fun with Kleiner Perkins and Kleiner Perkins They had a CEO weekend and we all went to Pebble Beach Which was really really horrible weekend for me because of course what everyone does at Pebble Beach is let's go golfing Of course yeah well guess what? I can't oh no I don't golf But they and Ray Lane that one of the general partners said hey, I got you some shoes You're coming with us

1:43:57 And that evening during the final dinner... You don't really need spiked shoes to golf. Well, I still have them though. I have golfing shoes. Yeah okay. So they were wrapping this all up and this is CEOs from every big Kleiner Perkins company you can imagine right up to the Google boys and then all of a sudden we have a special award for Adam Curry! And getting out of my seat like wow I got an award for the most strokes ever at this golf course. It was the meanest thing anyone had ever done to me. Oh, that's cute Every- all of Silicon Valley was laughing at me Thanks. Thanks douchebag But at this get together... You got humiliated Yes yes I did Yeah you were the butt of a joke Where all I did is I got super butt slammed Whoa! You got butt slammed! Ho ho ho ho! But it was fun Make fun of the MTV guy Make fun of the guy with Tourette's okay? Thanks

1:44:59 I can't play golf because i have Tourette's. All right the cat is out of the bag, I should have had my T-shirt on. I have a new T-shirt I'm working on. Okay. Tourette's it's what makes us tick that's very cute. I think somebody else wrote that line though of course you think I wrote that? No That's the one thing that bothered me you know I did this and it's still not on What's the TV? I'm blanking out. Yeah, I did Swamp Thing. I did an episode of Swamp Thing. Hulu! Right And so that episode is still not... it's a series previous to the series that they have on there now It's still not on Hulu There's like one YouTube clip of one brief little scene But it was a half-hour show and it was great You know who also was in it Rick

1:44:59 I can't play golf because i have Tourette's. All right the cat is out of the bag, I should have had my T-shirt on. I have a new T-shirt I'm working on. Okay. Tourette's it's what makes us tick that's very cute. I think somebody else wrote that line though of course you think I wrote that? No That's the one thing that bothered me you know I did this and it's still not on What's the TV? I'm blanking out. Yeah, I did Swamp Thing. I did an episode of Swamp Thing. Hulu! Right And so that episode is still not... it's a series previous to the series that they have on there now It's still not on Hulu There's like one YouTube clip of one brief little scene But it was a half-hour show and it was great You know who also was in it Rick

1:45:46 Manetti, Moretti, who played Rick on Magnum PI. I mean this is the level of acting talent that was on this episode. Just powerhouse stuff and i'll never get over that in the script and of course I wanted to change it but you know...I had no say in the matter that this rock and roll guy Nathan, this rock star who's strung out on drugs actually uses the word blotto. I'm like... dude! This is so wrong! And you can see me almost... Nobody uses the word blotto! I'm like how about baked? Wasted? You know no no no... I don't know. I couldn't get him to change it. Even stoned is better. Blotto. That was blotto man. No one ever say that in their right mind It totally ruins the whole episode

1:46:31 Huh. But anyway, yeah... So you played that character and you had to say it? Yeah! And I did and I think I made it work. I made it my own. So you've actually used the word blotto in an acting piece of art. Huh. Mm-hmm It's worth it. Hulu! Hang on, Hulu go make that happen put that shit up. I raced in a geo Did ya now? Yes! MTV We followed the Indy circuit one year and it was one year they had the race in Denver, the street race in Denver. And they had the celebrity race... So that wasn't a Grand Prix or an Indy car Grand Prix style thing? If it's on the streets would be Grand Prix more than Indie. Well it was the cars! It was the same cars

1:46:31 Huh. But anyway, yeah... So you played that character and you had to say it? Yeah! And I did and I think I made it work. I made it my own. So you've actually used the word blotto in an acting piece of art. Huh. Mm-hmm It's worth it. Hulu! Hang on, Hulu go make that happen put that shit up. I raced in a geo Did ya now? Yes! MTV We followed the Indy circuit one year and it was one year they had the race in Denver, the street race in Denver. And they had the celebrity race... So that wasn't a Grand Prix or an Indy car Grand Prix style thing? If it's on the streets would be Grand Prix more than Indie. Well it was the cars! It was the same cars

1:47:21 Except for you, you had a Geo. Yeah! So it was like the guy- the drummer from White Lion Johnny Gill You know I'm sure one of the Motley Crue guys was there and I had the in car camera I gotta find that footage because I of course went around the corner and crashed into the wall and kept going. You did? Oh yeah The stick shift had come up about two feet But otherwise it still drove. And the commentators, it's literally like, what? Because of Geo. They go you know how slow it looks then like, well, it looks like I'm a grandma who has lost control and the guys who were going to call the official race are like oh there's Adam Curry from MTV! Oh okay... Like one of those like dude can't even hold on to the wheel my geo story There ya'go

1:48:19 Wow, yeah now I know why Tina stories to tell I know I know why Tina married me like he's fascinating You know why she married you? Because she hasn't heard these stories until now. Is that why? Believe me, I'm taking her on vacation so she never has to hear these. That's the whole point. Oh good move! Play those stories when we're not connected that much better... Don't worry baby it's just old stuff you don't need to hear it. You've heard it all. Yeah It's already been on this show once. Syrup and Waffles thank you very much for producing this episode really enjoyed that a lot of work went into it is highly appreciated and

1:48:58 Looking forward to coming back. I'm already, how sick is this? I'm ready! I'm ready to come back and kick some ass and get going with 1338. Alright well...I'm ready too so we'll be back for 1338. I'll step aside for the enthusiasm. Sorry it's been a long 15 months is what has been thank you all everybody for producing this show 1,337 episodes long. I look forward to the next one we will see you then until then remember us at Dvorak dot org slash NA in the morning everybody i'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley I am John C Dvorak We return for the next show right here on NO Agenda until then adios mofos and such