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00:00 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, June 16th, 2019. This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 1147. This is no agenda. Spelunking the echo chambers of media and broadcasting live from the Titanic Hotel in Belfast, home to conspiracy theories since 1912. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where I'm still waiting in line at Target, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Boom shakalaka! Hey John. Glitch. Oh, don't even start with that!

00:41 Do you know how many people email me and tweet me when something like that happens? You brought it on yourself. Oh, and I have the clip here. Trouble at Target today registered as stores worldwide were down due to a technical glitch. The glitch prevented cashiers from scanning merchandise, causing massive lines at its stores worldwide. frustrating shoppers. The company closed some stores rather than risk further aggravating people. Target says the outage lasted about two hours and blamed the problem on a quote internal technology issue. We were just shopping around and there was an overhead that said all the systems were down in Target and they were gonna nobody can buy anything

01:21 buy anything. So they're going to close the store. Target says the glitch was not a data breach and no guest information was compromised. It was a double glitch, not just one glitch at the beginning, but two glitches in the report. Completely unacceptable reporting. Well, just second there, Professor. We, uh, we fixed the glitch. It's so lame. AP, Associated Press, lead lead, led off their reporting of this with a glitch. That's the first two words in their reporting. I'd like to know what actually happened. Target has had a lot of issues with their systems. Target's got a huge IT problem and it doesn't make sense that the whole system would go down. It doesn't have like local backups or any way of doing anything. And how about... I got a crazy idea. Does that make sense to you? Crazy idea. Could anyone pay with cash? Yeah. I don't think so. I don't think they were...

02:16 Don't they have a little, you know, you write it up? I don't think so. I don't think so. Using a pen, you know, a pen and a piece of paper. No, no, no, I don't think so. Calculator. People have no idea. So for the entire world. Target is closed just on a banker's holiday kind of thing. It is people have you know it's cute now and it's still cute when you call it a glitch and oh well we didn't know what to do we were just wandering around for two hours we couldn't buy anything wait until something really good happens and then people will be like well what is this is the word glitch mean remember there's something more we should look at

02:55 Interesting Jeopardy episode the other day. The category for final today is word history, players. Here's your clue. This word for a bug or malfunction was popularized in the 1962 book Into Orbit by the Mercury astronauts. 30 seconds good luck. Oh my goodness. What could it be let me think for a second a bug mercury us I don't know. Let's go to the answer that I please let me know Jim you're smiling. Why is that you couldn't come up with anything? So what did you write down? What is foobar? Okay, it's going to cost you something 4200 that drops you down to 6600 let's go to the middle now Adrian Griffin She had 12,700 her response was the correct one. What is a glitch John Glenn came up with that word and you almost double your score Oh wonderful John Glenn yes, he's the blade by the way. He's to blame. I didn't realize that I don't I'm wondering if it's true

04:00 Oh, you questioned the Jeopardy? Yes, I do at this point. Oh my goodness. I don't question the way they phrased that answer or question, you have to ask it as a grad or whatever. Maybe fine, but I'm not sure that the genesis of the word glitch comes from somebody just making it up out of the blue. I don't know. I will dig into it. But regardless, when it comes to reporting to news, this is just not in today's world, this is no longer acceptable as news reporting. You need to give, they could have at least said it was the point of sales system, it was, they could have given us some information. It's just a glitch and then whatever.

04:44 And these glitches, they're going to ruin your life. Too many glitches. We've got too many glitches. And this situation with Target and the whole world wide goes down. Do we have any IT guys? I think we have a few guys named, dudes named Ben. Yeah, someone's got to know. They can maybe help us out here. Someone's got to have some ideas. Somebody has to, actually somebody in our audience knows what happened. Yes. And they should be telling us. They should be sharing that information with us. Well, I've had a lot of glitches in the past 48 hours. As we were about two hours from Belfast, two hours north, north, north Northern Ireland, at a wedding destination, the Belle Isle Castle.

05:33 where we were guests. Oh, it was the castle that was having the wedding. Yes, the castle that was having the wedding. Oh, I thought you were moving into the castle. No, it was the castle that had the wedding. Oh. And we were supposed to be there for me to do the show today. And it would have been really cool. And of course, I did some scouting ahead and made sure, and I got multiple confirmations, the Wi-Fi is outstanding. And indeed, the Wi-Fi was outstanding. The problem was the connection to the internet from the Wi-Fi. So this castle was just in a no-go zone. There's no wired internet. They literally had an antenna on the roof getting their internet signal. I think it might have been some WiMAX type thing. You were misled. A little bit misled.

06:28 Somebody says is the Wi-Fi any good? Yeah, if the Wi-Fi, that doesn't, we're not talking about the signal strength of the actual Wi-Fi, we're talking about its connectivity to the internet. That's the whole point. Well, but... It is a misnomer because, you know, as I'm troubleshooting this, then, you know, Tina would look at her stuff and say, well, I got full signal here. And of course, you know, the Wi-Fi was outstanding. They had a great Wi-Fi system with repeaters everywhere. You could walk all over the ground. You had Wi-Fi. It just wouldn't, it would drop the connection to the Internet. So we decided instead of staying the extra day, we got a crack of dawn and drove to Belfast and kind of just got the first hotel that I knew would, because it's a business center business area. And it's the Titanic Hotel in Belfast, which is where the Titanic was built.

07:25 Huh, is that? Oh, okay. Yeah, this is where the White Star shipping line and also of course the, was it the Olympia? What was the ship that actually sank? You know, the old switcheroo? Was it the Olympia? The Olympia was the hospital ship. The carbon copy of the... Yeah, the carbon copy. The one that was supposed to sink or whatever it was. I forget the complete conspiracy theory. I've never heard this. Oh, you've never heard this? Oh, no. Well, it's even better because this hotel is very modern and there's an expo center, there's a whole business center. They still build something here with ships. But what is the pure attraction is the Titanic Studios that are located right here. And do you know what they shoot in the Titanic Studios? Movies? No, Game of Thrones.

08:26 Oh, okay. So there's this... Oh, I would pack them in. Oh my goodness, there's Game of Thrones, you know, tours and, uh, and, you know, expo. Look at this. Go check that out. It's only 140 pounds. What? So needless to say we are not going to check out the, uh, the Game of Thrones Expo. But the Wi-Fi is great and it connects to the Internet. So I'm very, very happy. Very happy. Sounds good. Yes, and anyway we did have a wonderful time. It was great up in the island. It was nice to be in the fresh air. I do have to say a couple things about leaving London. Before we left, what was that? Monday? No, what day are we now? No, Friday. God, when did we have the show? Thursday? Yeah, Friday.

09:20 Before we left, we did a little walk around. We had some time to basically to walk towards it, you know, past Hyde Park up to Buckingham Palace. And I was very excited to show Tina something that I recall seeing when I was 15 years old when I went to London for the first time with my dad. And that was Speaker's Corner. Speaker's Corner is empty. There's no one there. No one speaks anymore on Speaker's Corner. It's legendary. Isn't there supposed to be... So Speaker's Corner is the one... It's not even the soapbox that used to be there. No, now it's kind of a monument and it explains that in 1100 something or other they used to do public hangings there, which is just a small step from a public hanging to free speech. It's about the same.

10:07 And this became the place where you could exercise free speech. And I think it's still the only place in the UK where you actually can exercise 100% free speech, because they don't have a constitution where this is protected, as far as I know. They have Magna Carta. No, they don't. It's a known fact. It's not explicitly spelled out that the government cannot make any rules against the freedom of speech or freedom of the press, which is what we have in the United States. Yeah, and people just giving up. They don't even go there anymore. You went, you took her over there to... Yeah, I wanted to show... Look, this is Speaker's Corner, it's so cool. You got sun-daped some people show up for there. Well, it was disappointing. What was fantastic is we took a cab back from the London Eye to go get our suitcases. You didn't go in the London Eye, did you? Yeah, we sure did. An hour?

11:07 What do you mean an hour? Isn't it an hour to go around that thing? No, it's like 20 minutes, 25 minutes. Oh. It's a nice photo op. Tina's never been to London, so it was perfect. Perfect photo op. Yeah, you get the view of the city. Although, you know, there's new buildings like the Shard, which is that this is the tall building that looks like glass shards. That's now obfuscating the Gherkin. The whole place is changed. That's what it was called, the Gherkin. Yeah, the Gherkin is behind it. You can't see the Gherkin anymore. Yeah, it's a shame. They should have blocked the building at the new building. So we took a cab back, and of course I'm not going to take any Ubers while I'm in London. We take a proper British cab.

11:48 And if you've never been in a British cab, it's an interesting experience because the cabbie sits up front, obviously, he's kind of isolated, but he has an intercom system and there's lights everywhere. It says, oh, when this red light is on, then the cabbie can hear you and then he can speak back to you. And it, you know, he had his, the windows were open and it was difficult hearing him Because it's just you know, so it's like a it's kind of a you know, but there was a tell a great gag but there was a telecoil Logo in the cab and I've never used this so I switched my hearing aids to telecoil Which is this induction based system? Where just a wire in the cab will beam the audio into the hearing aids and it worked really well It was it was like magical like oh all of a sudden the guys broadcasting right into my head and

12:42 Huh. Yes, really. And now it's like movie theaters. I'm switching that mean an elevator. Oh, telecoil. Let me turn it on. I've never heard of this. Oh, well, it's well, you've seen the logos. You'll see them on ATMs. Yeah, but I paid zero attention, obviously. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a loop system in induction loop. Yeah, I know how to work. I'm telling you, not everybody knows how it works. I'm kind of surprised that these exist. Well, they exist everywhere now. Now that I've noticed one, like, oh, this stuff is showing up everywhere. Yeah, but it works really well, which was the surprising part. Like, this will never work. But yeah, sure, sure enough. And then if you moved your head a little forward, then it would fade out. You know, so you have to kind of be in the right spot. But it worked. It was nice. Which was a good feeling for what came next, which was the Gitmo Nation trip through EasyJet's

13:39 Bag drop and boarding system. Holy crap. It's gotten really bad I shall explain now easy jet is is I love easy jet have always liked it I've always liked their their their prices I like I don't stop Ross or the guy's name is if the Greek guy if he still owns it runs it whatever but I've always liked their vibe kind of like Southwest which I also like although you can reserve your your seats and But you can no longer check in at the airport. You have to check in online, which is for me was problem number one because the way they ask you to do this is to download their app on your smartphone. I don't have an app and I don't have a smartphone so the next thing you can do is you can print it out and take it with you.

14:28 You know, hotel involves, because the hotels don't seem to have printers anymore or business centers. You have to email it to the front desk. I've noticed this too. Why is this? This is not a good development in my opinion. I don't know why. I mean, maybe people have been abusing it or they've been wrecking the gear. Kind of baffled by it myself and not I mean some hotels obvious still do I'm not everybody's bailed out But I think people just have like oh, there's a computer over there, and then you go over there doesn't work right I think that people don't have requirement for printing anything anymore. Everything's digital

15:05 Just wait until the glitches start to happen, people. All right, yeah, this is, ah, good point. Paperless. I noticed this. Before you know it, there'll be no toilet paper. There's more and more people flashing their phones. They put the little warning pass on their phone and they go underneath the light and it seems to work a lot and then it doesn't work for some people and I find it to be risky. Well, personally. Well, so here's the process. So, had it printed out, And by the way, Tina has her iPhone with her which she needs for work purposes but she refuses to download any app from some outfit. You don't put the EasyJet app on your phone. The app is where all the spying takes place.

15:48 So, print out the boarding passes and then we go to EasyJet. EasyJet has a new system where you drop your bag, but you can't just drop your bag. Oh no, you need to put your passport in first so it can scan your passport, then you put the bags on, then it says look here, scans your face. So now we've made the connection between your passport, official document photo and your face. So, thank you very much. Now you're in the system and then you go to the boarding gates. You go through security, which I have to say security was reasonably easy or at least pleasant. They had to open up all my bags as usual because, you know, hey, looks like that guy's got a vibrator in there. Let's get it. That's embarrassing. And it's always the microphone. And then you go to your gate

16:48 there's no more gate checking, there's no person. You go through another scanner where you scan your boarding card, your boarding pass or my printed boarding pass in this case, and again it has to identify that you're the one and it takes another picture of you, another facial recognition shot and then you just walk onto the plane. So now my face, my, you know, connected to my passport is in the system. And no one asked me that, there's no disclaimer, there's no hey just so you know here's what we're gonna use, terms and conditions, none of that. Did you think of making a goofy face? Yeah and you know what, first I had my glasses on and then it wouldn't do anything, it just sat there and the way the camera works it's on a pole and it will automatically slide up to your eye height and it flashes light, look here, look here slave, look here.

17:46 And then it says, look again, keep looking. And nothing's happening and someone apparently minding the process says, take off your glasses. You take your glasses off and then it finally figured out who I was. No, you can make all the stupid faces you want, but it won't connect you to what it has in its system, which is based on your passport photo. So it's your glass. Well, this is a lousy system. I've gone through these systems and I if you're wearing glasses, it shouldn't make a difference. No, it doesn't work at all. That's that's a cheap ass system they're using. So I look this up and this is from the UK gov dot UK.

18:34 This implementation... let me see, here's Gatwick Airport and EasyJet. This is from May, so this is a year ago. Launched biometric technology trial! Gatwick Airport has launched an end-to-end biometrics trial where personal data collected at the airport self-service bag drops will be recognized by new automated self-boarding gates. The technology aims to simplify and speed up the process for passengers and reduce the risk of human error. And again, there's no real you know, where's my general data protection rules? And you know, where do I get to opt in? Where do I get to say I agree to this egregious process? And so if this is now how they are going to

19:22 Help you travel help you travel wait for the glitch bitch. Yeah, the wait for the glitch bitch all of Target down worldwide It's gonna screw up your travel like no one else's business. It won't take much Especially with an out like a little thing your little camera at the end before the gate yeah, so you put your stand in there This is camera first you're in the queue. You're in the queue. There's a queue queue But the camera, each person goes and looks at it and then they go in. No, you walk up to the... there's like a gate.

19:59 you know, like a, you know, like a sheet before you get the probe in your neck to electrocute you, yeah, the slaughter gate. Yeah, so then first you have to put your boarding pass or your phone I guess, but I had the printed boarding pass, on the scanner and then it goes, okay, this is who this has to be and then the camera directs you to look at it and then it makes the connection that you were the guy who Drop the bag off under this boarding pass and you are the guy who dropped the bag off who is this person on your passport? Which is and then what and then it opens and then you can get on oh, there's something that opens. Oh, yeah It's just like that. You know the barrel. You know you know the tube oh

20:43 where you get off the tube. This is another thing people may not know. If you travel by train in the United Kingdom and you buy your ticket, don't discard the ticket after it's been checked on the train. This is a mistake. This is a travel tip. People do this often because in most normal countries, like, okay, I'm done. I got it checked and you just don't you forget about it. You cannot get out of the train station. There's turnstiles that will prohibit you from leaving unless you insert your ticket, which you just use for your trip, then it will let you out. Yeah, it's like BART. Does BART have that? Oh, okay. Yeah, you have to have it. Yeah, you could check in with the thing and then you check out with the thing. Right. And I understand when people are checking in, checking out with their, with a pass, like an easy, you know, rail pass that is, you know, touch to identify. This is a paper, a paper ticket. Yeah, it's the same with the original BART.

21:42 A little paper thing, and it'd go in and have all the numbers. So the same type of slaughter gate is what you have to go to the airplane. It will not open until it's approved you. Until it's approved you! It just really irked me. It really pissed me off. Did not like this at all. Well, it's not going to get any better, so you're going to just get more and more irked. Yes. Well, I just find that and I'm sure that you know, this is what the TSA is talking about But it's the airline that's doing this. That's the part. This is a commercial company who now has all my biometrics or Certainly some biometrics. Yeah What I don't like it and I know where do I see and oh, don't worry. We'll take care of it Could they could get hacked the hack my face?

22:33 Well, let's see you could next step of course would be you have to put your palm down and it is scan your hand Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, well in addition to your before before we get to the actual impact your face before we get to the before we get to the chip implant we have to do the palm yeah, that's the next could hack your face and there'd be some phony baloney out there this you know Somehow, I think you could probably, it seems to me there are a finite number of points that are checked on the face when they do the facial recognition software. And there's probably a way of gobbling somebody up with paint and pieces of clay and whatever to get the exact same number.

23:21 Well, don't you think? No, no, no, no. I think I think facial recognition is pretty advanced and I think that I think these guys have got it down and I bet you you could hack it. Yeah, well, how long is it gonna last? I'm giving that up. Here's my point. In the past week, we've heard about multiple airlines grounding their flights because their transponder systems were not working. They could not acquire a GPS signal. What had happened is aircraft outfitted with Collins ADS-B navigation and transponder equipment received an over-the-air update which bricked their system. Well, it didn't brick it, but it broke their system. Yeah, so that's just one example of a glitch

24:09 reported as such a glitch that ruined people's air travel. Then you have Target. Target glitch ruined your purchasing process. Just wait until something happens to the facial recognition database at your favorite airline. These things will stack up, it's going to be like dominoes. I can't understand why people don't see that this is just prone for badness. Bad, bad, bad experience. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. But I think the big glitch, the major glitch, the whopper, is going to supersede everything you said, and that is the automated update of Windows Worldwide.

24:50 That brings down everything. That's the mother load. That's the one we've been waiting for. Of course it's gonna happen. And it's gonna happen. Yeah. Oh yeah. Of course it will. And I remember when this began. Just as a little story here. All right. This was during the era of MSN when Microsoft decided to compete with AOL and they came with their product MSN, which very slowly deteriorated into all sorts of things it wasn't supposed to be. It was supposed to be an AOL clone. But it was poorly done and poorly implemented and not well thought out. It was dumb in every way. But Microsoft was hoping to, they kept watching how AOL did these automatic updates.

25:32 Because AOL would do that. They would just all of a sudden, they'd just update and they would, you'd had no control over this. You couldn't stop it. You couldn't wait. You couldn't say, I'll do it tomorrow. You couldn't do anything. Right. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, I remember that. Yeah. It would take hours sometimes, especially if you hadn't, if you hadn't logged on in a while. Yeah. Microsoft looked at this and said, you know, our life would be so much easier when it's supported, if we, everybody was on the exact same version. So if we could do what AOL does, and they were always jealous of AOL, and they've been trying to get to that point where they could do a, these giant, and they just thought it was a means to an end to do these automatic updates. And they do them kind of now, but they kind of spread them out a little bit. And they used to be patch Tuesday, which is now devolved into whatever the hell it is. I don't even know what they're doing.

26:23 But they want to do this so one of these days. It's gonna happen. They're gonna do a they're gonna have the be all end all Microsoft patch mm-hmm and it's gonna bring every country people yeah the world country the world the world the entire world will go down Just along these lines that happen to have two clips from Amazon The first is with their Chief Technology Officer, who I know, Werner Vohls, because he's a Dutch guy and he's a really nice guy. But here he is defending facial recognition, their technology, which as we know is being used quite extensively in many of their products, their

27:04 What's their Alexa video thing and of course their Ring doorbell and but it's great. I don't think we're pushing it. I think we're building a really great product. And you know, I like the guy. It's so hard for me not to make fun of how he's speaking because it's just fucking funny how he does that. But anyway, let's go on. I don't think we're pushing it. I think we're building a really great product and it's up for our customers to decide whether they want to use the product or not. All of this comes down to how to fine-tune the model. And if customers are actually having a particular data set and really tune the model really well, it can work really well. I think some would look at the tuning of the technology as a part of the process that right now is hurting certain people's individual rights. If police forces are using your technology and it's not fully ready, as you yourself just shared,

27:58 Is tuning the technology worth it if that's what it means to people, real people in the world? That's not my decision to make. Some people might think it would be Amazon's decision. No, no, I think, you know, we have got, I mean, let's say your storage engine can be used for very good use, can be used by, let's say, bad actors equally. Does that mean we should not be offering storage technology? No, I mean the fact that this technology has been used for good in many places, it's in society's direction to actually decide which technology is applicable under which conditions.

28:36 And as such, it's a societal discourse and decision and policymaking that needs to happen there to decide where can you apply which technologies. If I think about the simplest answer is if you look at steel, massive steel mills, they build incubators where young born babies keep being healthy and they also make guns with steel. As a society we decide what is acceptable use and what is not. And that's pretty much the responsibility that Silicon Valley takes over what they create. Hey, it's society's problem, not ours. We make steel. We just make steel. You can make a gun out of it, whatever you want, incubator. Reprehensible. Very cavalier. That is absolutely true. It's cavalier though. It's cavalier.

29:26 Of course it is. It's cavalier. When you're making money hand over fist. Yeah, right. You can be cavalier and that's what you do. Speaking of your architecture that couldn't survive a glitch, holy crap, Amazon Web Services goes down. You can kiss a lot goodbye. Quite a lot. I believe that... I believe. I don't know. I believe. You should say, I do believe. I have a hard time saying I do believe. I know that. But I do believe that Amazon is architected with a lot of redundancy that make it almost impossible for the whole thing to go down. Sure. And cause this kind of problem, which is different than Microsoft bricking all the windows machines out in the world because nobody's there's no, I don't have a redundant way. I have a couple of windows machines and I could easily take, I could like get one brick and then take the other ones offline. If I came to the realization of what was going on, which I probably wouldn't,

30:31 I'd be dicking around trying to fix it. And I could use the machines while they were not hooked to the internet, but I don't see any way, there's no redundancy the way that a big central system would have or should have and I'm sure has. So I'm less concerned about AWS than I am about these Windows updates. Well, while and I believe I do believe I do believe that government governments should be very involved with this technology and looking very closely at how it's being used and what the implications are and perhaps perhaps there's some things that should be legislated. I definitely am concerned about data theft, theft of my face, face theft. You know someone could just

31:23 steal my face and then use that everywhere. Who knows? We're just beginning with this. Now instead, everyone's all jacked up and jitty about deep fakes and I need to really call out NPR and maybe I'm just... Maybe it's just me. Yeah, no, it's not. Listen to this story. Now we have two government officials. We got Warner calling for legislation of deepfakes and I think Schiff is more interesting. And this is a report from NPR and listen very carefully. NPR is still radio, right? It's not video, it's radio.

32:09 Yes, and podcast radio and it's never it's podcasting and radio which is Repurposed radio. Well listen to this story what you will hear next was never actually said it looks like a Facebook office It looks like Mark Zuckerberg giving an interview. It looks like his mouth is moving along with the words Imagine this for a second One man with total control of billions of people's stolen data. All their secrets, their lives, their futures. But that wasn't the founder of Facebook. Okay, so the rest of the story I want to play. But I do not understand how when you're listening to something

32:51 You can say that this sounds like Mark Zuckerberg because it does not. You played a deep fake the other day and now I... I played that exact one. Right, so let me play Zuckerberg. Now at the same time, it's important not to lose sight of some of the more straightforward and larger ways that Facebook plays a role in elections. How the hell does that sound like this? Imagine this for a second. One man, it's not even the right inflection total control. The elections are wrong. It's everything's wrong There's a little I know what what where the connection is I think when you see the video people goes it's like when we look at CSI and we hear the best about Celestia I know but I want to say it again, but let me just say something Which is I think there's a little gravelly aspect to his voice and I think they captured that it's not even fucking close. I

33:47 It's not. But you just think it's not even in the same league. No, it's not in the same league at all. When you see the video, apparently NPR gets as stupid as everybody else. Oh, that must be Zuckerberg. It's not. There are voice actors who do a better job than this. I would agree. Well, that's true. In fact, the Obama one that is floating around was actually done by Peel, the movie guy. Yeah, sure. He just does a good impression of Obama and they just made Obama's mouth move around a little differently, which was pretty poorly done. And he did the voice and it sounded, oh, there's Obama. But that could be actually both of these could be if you went through one of those voice systems. How come one of these reporters hasn't done this?

34:34 Thank you. Here's my point as we deconstruct this how is it possible that NPR does a minute and a half report I'm gonna play the whole report that does that no one thought to listen to what Zuckerberg sounds like Because it's not him and and this oh my god. It's machine learning and all kinds of deep fakes. It's amazing I can't believe it's so realistic It's not realistic. You can get this probably a hundred people you could hire to do a better job for your deep fake. But now somehow this is illusion being created which we need to legislate clearly that machine learning can create deep fakes again the real Zuckerberg. These effects operate at much larger scales of a hundred times or a thousand times bigger than what we're discussing here today. And here's the deep fake. Moving along with the words. Imagine this for a second.

35:25 One man with total control of billions of people's stolen data. All their secrets, their lives, their futures. Many of these dynamics were new in this election and at a much larger scale than had ever been seen before in history. But that wasn't the founder of Facebook. It was instead a deepfake created by an artist in the UK and posted on Instagram. This technology is quickly becoming a national security concern. Bullshit! The House Intelligence Committee held a hearing Thursday warning of the threat. With sufficient training data, these powerful deepfake generating algorithms can portray a real person doing something they never did or saying words they never uttered. That's committee chairman Adam Schiff. The disaster scenarios are obvious. A deepfake showing a 2020 candidate inciting violence against an ethnic group

36:16 or false audio of a military official giving orders to mass troops at a border. How come no one ever said, oh my goodness, a voice actor could do this? Oh, we need laws against acting! There is no easy solution. Up until now, social media companies have a general legal immunity to content posted on their platforms. But that may be changing. Listen to this question from Schiff. Is it time to do away with that immunity so that the platformers are required to maintain a certain standard of care? Any effort addressing the threat of deepfakes... What? A standard of care? ...involves increasing public... What does that mean?

36:52 Well, you'll hear it. You'll hear it. They actually make an interesting point. ...play with that immunity so that the platformers are required to maintain a certain standard of care. Any effort addressing the threat of deepfakes involves increasing public awareness. But even this poses a problem. It's called the liar's dividend. Here's Citrin explaining what that is. Once you get everyone all educated, then you have wrongdoers point to real video, genuine audio and video that show them doing something These technologies are evolving rapidly, to the point that almost anyone can use it. Here's Lindsay Gorman, the fellow for Emerging Technologies at the Alliance for Securing Democracy.

37:36 Something that was available only to sophisticated machine learning experts is now becoming available to the general public. So, as the witnesses to Thursday's committee hearing attest, it may only be a matter of time until deepfakes affect our politics and our national security. I mean, it's just so, it's so ludicrous. And that NPR, an audio programming outfit, Says, oh my goodness, that's just like Zuckerberg. Can't you hear it? I mean, here's another, these guys, I don't understand if you're going to do a long report like this and look into this and be, especially if you're going to be panicky and hand wringing and sounding like an old woman of why you don't bring it. Aren't journalists, I'm asking you.

38:25 I can answer this. Why aren't journalists doing what you're supposed to do, which is have competing opinions? Here's the yes, the no, and the maybe, and bring out the guy who's a voice gram guy, a guy who can run it through a machine and say, this is clearly not Zuckerberg's voice. Problem solved. We noticed that video had taken over people's brains many years ago. We used to... we don't do it anymore. I just grabbed one a 20-second clip. We used to play clips called bad acting clips. We'd take... you, John, in particular. You'd take a clip from a television show, CSI as an example, and you just listen to the audio and then you hear how bad the acting is. Why can't you just love her? She's so easy to love.

39:12 You know nothing about my daughter. You hear me? Nothing! I know that she is good and strong and deserves all the love this world has to give. Can't you see that? Sounds so believable. I mean, that is totally... That's Emmy award-winning shit right there, ladies and gentlemen. So people are losing the ability to hear. And... Anyway... Warner, he's senator right? Senator Warner? Yeah, yeah, I believe so. He ties this deepfake thing into, oh we need to legislate, because this is about legislating. Now they're only saying social media. I have no idea where you probably would want to think about legislating the technology, but okay, you know, I guess social media, they want to take away the section 203. They're doing it in a very stupid way. And this is, well you'll hear it. Trump in 2016

40:10 He may have been a naive candidate then, but he welcomed Russia. If they got dirt on Clinton, lay it out, well, you would have thought after two and a half years in office, he would have learned that that's not appropriate behavior. That is, you know, this man has so little moral center, that he doesn't understand taking help from a foreign government is wrong, then we need to put in place a law that would say, if a If a foreign government tries to intervene in the election in a presidential campaign, the campaign has an affirmative obligation to report that to the FBI. There's been lots of concern voiced by a lot of my Republican partners that they know our election system is not safe in 2020. And I think the least we should do is put this law in place that would say, you've got to report to the FBI if we've got foreign agents intervening.

40:57 Secondly, let's pass an election security law to make sure there's a paper trail after every vote so people have belief in the integrity of their vote. And third, let's go ahead and put some guardrails around some of these social media companies so you cannot use deepfake technology or create fake personas the way the Russians did on Facebook in 2016. What? What? The Russians used deepfakes all of a sudden? Holy mackerel, talking about jumping to conclusions. It's ludicrous. So the reporter talking to him asked him immediately what were the deep fakes that the Russians did to get a response, right? No, they went straight to another topic on the show. No, of course not. It's just accepted. I would ask them what deep fakes were involved in the 2016 campaign specifically and he would have, then what would he say?

41:52 What is wrong with these reporters? This is great stuff. So this backs into this interview that Trump did, President Trump did with George Stephanopoulos. Where and to me it was just one big troll It was like well, you know if I got some oppo research on I'm not gonna call the FBI I'm gonna take a look at the oppo research first and everybody's freaking out. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no Oh no, no. If you get information from the Russians or from the British, I guess that's also a foreign government. The British, the Canadians. The Italians. You need to report that to the FBI. Exactly like, you know, the Democrats didn't do.

42:40 So they're trying to back this into a law and in fact it is Senate Bill 1247, the Duty to Report Act. And here is Pansy Explosie explaining. So that is part of our legislate, investigate, litigate. What did she say? Did you say Nancy Explosi? No, Pansy Explosi. So that is part of our legislate. Investigate. Litigate. Legislate, investigate, litigate. What is she talking about? Well, here you go. Agenda. We're doing this and at the same time we are honoring our oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution. You see, she's introducing a bill or the concept of this bill that's now running through the Senate and she's trying to say this is our responsibility. It's legislate, investigate and what was the third one?

43:41 Litigate. Litigate. That apparently is her job now. That is the job of everybody in Congress. The United States. Yesterday, the president gave us once again evidence that he does not know right from wrong. It's a very sad thing. Very sad thing that he does not know right from wrong. I believe that he has been involved in a criminal cover-up. I've said that before. And our investigation is demonstrating that. The Mueller report shows obstruction of justice in at least 10, perhaps 11 places. But for the president to be so cavalier, to disregard, to be indifferent to law and any sense of ethics about who we are as a country, to say he would invite foreign intervention further, the intelligence community was

44:32 great confidence is put forth that the Russians interfere in our election. That's an assault on our democracy. An assault on our democracy. This president says it's a hoax. He supposes he takes a note to protect and defend the Constitution, but I guess it doesn't include him in terms of being a to be held accountable to obey the law. So we have a package that we're putting forth in light of the Mueller report, a package of legislation, duty report. If someone comes to you for mandating that campaigns report foreign offers of assistance.

45:18 She is now taking oppo research, which is what the president discussed multiple times She actually says the word oppo and then she turns it into something else of legislation duty report if someone comes to you for Mandating that campaigns report foreign opera offers of a set of offers Shouldn't even it's so self-evident as a matter of ethics, but will have to codify it. These people are so stupid. How does this even work with the Steele dossier? This is why I think it's trolling because this is exactly what happened. They took oppo research, I'm sorry, offers from a foreign country, literally from a British spy and there was involvement from Italy and Australia and Russia

46:15 And now they're gonna create a law against it. I can actually tell you about a little bit about the text of this. I don't know if this is gonna pass or not. It's the duty to report act which they just pulled out of their butts. I want to mention something that unfortunately we don't have the, we should play the entire clip and I keep forgetting to get it. The Stepanopoulos thing with Trump because Trump's having a normal conversation with him as though he's a person. I actually expected you would have it. That's why I didn't pull it. You know, I expected that I would have it too. And I would expect that I would have it for the last show. Wrong with you. It happened on Wednesday of last week. I know it's so disappointing. We're taking forever to get to this, but I do remember a couple of points in there and Trump,

46:59 With shrugging his shoulders, and he says to step in others with great honesty. You know I've never called the FBI Right and I was thinking about it. Have you ever called the FBI? No report something no What is their number 1-800-CALL-FBI? FBI I've never called the FBI to report something. I don't know who's ever called the FBI it's just like they do them with their own thing, but Then I'm reminded of Thomas Drake, the NSA whistleblower, who said, he says at the beginning of all his speeches, do not talk to the FBI ever. Ever, ever, exactly. Yeah, you can get in big trouble with stuff you say. Yeah, I mean, there are Flynn talked to the FBI, look what happened to him. So here is this Senate Bill 1247.

47:56 And they kind of try to make this oppo research sound like it would be something that was given to you. Let me see, here we have... In general, if a political committee or applicable individual receives an offer orally in writing or otherwise of a prohibited contribution, donation, expenditure, or disbursement, the committee or applicable individual shall within 24 hours of receiving the offer report to the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the extent known the name, address, and nationality of the foreign national making the offer, the amount and type of contribution, donation, expenditure, or disbursement

48:42 In general, it should be unlawful to knowingly and willingly fail to comply with this subsection. Oh, this could be a nightmare if you think about somebody... It's impossible to do. Yeah. Yeah. Well, think about somebody being spammed by fake offers. Oh, sure. From foreign governments just keep sending him in and if they don't report him, you know, you can bust them. And I like how they add in here the definition of applicable individual who has the duty to report means an agent of a political committee, a candidate, an individual who is an immediate family member of a candidate. Hello, Donald Jr. Or any individual affiliated with a campaign of a candidate.

49:28 An immediate family member, individual affiliated with the campaign for this purposes. The term immediate family member means with respect to a candidate, parent, parent-in-law, spouse, adult, child, sibling, and then it goes on and on and on. But this really invites entrapment. It's big time! I don't know if this will pass. It probably won't. It's kind of dumb. There's already laws on the books. But it's just so funny to me. That they you know, they're all outraged by this and you know, it is disappointing neither of us got this clip. It's It's about opposition research and they're all outraged that that the president said not right I'll take it everyone else does everyone does this is what it's that's why it has a name oppo research Everybody knows this I'll take it. Oh He's above the law breaking the law. Oh, they've gone berserk over this unbelievable nuts. Oh

50:26 But it's like one of their things, you know, they're looking for these. I don't know what they hope that these things hit the home run or something. I'm not sure. I have no idea, but it's I mean, is anyone running the country anymore? What are we doing? I know no one's running the country, which is, in my opinion, of course, a good thing. Let's take a look at it. Catch up with. I got nothing to say. That's a good thing, I guess. It is a good thing. What are we catching up with? Let's do the Trump campaign outlines on CBS. Okie dokie. President Trump is getting ready to kick off his re-election campaign, but just days before Mr. Trump's announcement that he'll seek a second term, some opponents are trying to keep him from finishing this one, calling on Congress to launch impeachment proceedings. Nicole Killian is at the White House.

51:24 President Trump spent part of his birthday weekend at the golf course, ready to take a campaign swing to Florida Tuesday to launch his re-election. He started making his case for 2020 on Twitter, writing, the Trump economy is setting records and has a long way up to go. However, if anyone but me takes over in 2020, there will be a market crash, the likes of which has not been seen before. He added, we are doing great in the polls. even better than in 2016 and will be packed at the Tuesday announcement rally. We've had over 100,000 RSVPs so far. They keep coming in every single day. What does that tell you about enthusiasm? I think it means the enthusiasm is pretty good out there. But at rallies across the country, protesters sounded more calls for the president's impeachment. And we must begin it now.

52:15 And he continued to take heat for these comments to ABC News. If someone else offers you information on an opponent, should they accept it or should they call the FBI? I think maybe you do both. I think you might want to listen. Despite trying to walk them back... I reported to the Attorney General, the FBI... Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg tells Face the Nation's Margaret Brennan the president should draw a clear line. If you think there's a foreign effort to tamper with an American election and you're an American who cares about America, you call the FBI. This shouldn't be hard. The president and his campaign team dispute some polls that show him trailing key Democrats like frontrunner Joe Biden. A Trump advisor tells CBS News expect the president to unleash more attacks against the former vice president as he jumps into full campaign mode. Rina? Nicole Killian at the White House. I mean, can you imagine if a bill like this passed? The FBI would be overwhelmed if people actually stuck to it.

53:16 But the amount of... Well, now that I think about it, I did try to get the... I called the FBI once. I went... It had to do with these robocalls or something along those lines. And so you go to the FBI to find who to call and there's nobody to call. But they say, if you have this problem, there's some scam. go here and you go to a website and then the website gives you a bunch of instructions that are just like too much for anybody in their right mind to do. They obviously do not want to be contacted on every little stupid thing. Call your local police is their attitude. And it's apparent that the FBI would be against this because they would be just swamped with bull crap. The way I read the proposed bill, I mean,

54:08 People in Congress receive, I mean, it's lobbying. Lobbyists contact them all the time. Just by the definition of the bill, you could say that a lot of these lobbyists are trying to interfere. Man, here's what I'd like to have done. It just, it makes no sense. Especially with the lobbyists, not to mention, there's a lot of foreign agent lobbyists, they're crawling all over the place. They're from every country in the world. Luckily, though, everyone voted for a salary increase so they won't have to, you know, they won't have to take money from lobbyists and they won't have to do insider trading as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said. So... No, what it does is it gives them more money to trade with. Hey, another 4,500 bucks, buy some puts. Let's go long. Oh, man. So I just embraced some news that none of the media is picking up on. All right.

55:09 and I got a kick out of it when I spotted it and I thought it would be something worth listening to. OJ Simpson's decided to go on Twitter. Yes. Hey Twitter world, this is yours truly. Now coming soon to Twitter you'll get to read all my thoughts and opinions on just about everything. Now there's a lot of fake OJ accounts out there so this one at the real OJ 32 is the only official one. So this should be a lot of fun. So getting even to do. So God bless, take care. It's getting even with somebody. Here's the second post. He's done two now. Hey, Twitter world. You know, for years people have been able to say whatever they want to say about me with no accountability. But now I get to challenge a lot of that BS and set the record straight. More importantly, I'll be able to talk about everything, especially sports, fantasy football, and even politics.

56:02 But for now, let me just say to my fellow fathers out there. Happy Father's Day and God bless So this is a new low for Twitter and where's his blue checkmark? Oh, he doesn't he's never checkmark. No We need to start a campaign. Get OJ a checkmark. So he puts up these two posts and he's already up to 325,000. Verify OJ. Hashtag verify OJ. He'll be over a million shortly to do these half drunken kind of rants or whatever. He's gonna get back at some people. Is he a boozer? Is he a drinker? Is he a drinker?

56:45 I don't know, but he's getting old. He could be just old age. But whatever the case, this is going to be great. And I think it marks a new low for Twitter. Can I just give... And the media has refused to cover the story. Can I offer some advice to some colleagues out there? I would like to offer advice to Spotify and Pandora and Gimlet. This is the guy you want to do a podcast with. This is the podcast you want on your network. You want the OJ cast. That is money in the bank people. I agree as sick as it is yeah It's it's exactly true shoot. Maybe we should just produce it just Get a hold of them. He just you can be sure he's got a bunch of scam DMM DM at the real oj32 go on John You're the sports guy everybody knows

57:41 He knows you. The juice. Yes, the juice is loose. The juice pot, the juice cast. The juice cast. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing some great ads. A lot of good ads. Some great products. Definitely a lot of publicity. Ginsu knife set. A lot of hate. We do Ginsu knife sets on the, you know, have that as an ad. Why don't you call it the murder cast? By the way, I'm a little disappointed you've not talked about the biggest sports story of the decade. Curry lets it fly! Kent, the NBA title is yours! The Toronto Raptors are the 2019 NBA champions! Yes! Golden State Warriors suck! Ha, I missed that game.

58:37 So what happened again? The Raptors? Who are they? I hear Candinavia kicked your ass, Golden State. How disappointing is that? And why is Canada in the NBA? How does that work? You know, this came up at the table the other day and people don't realize that basketball was invented in Canada. Oh. And to follow that up, the first NBA game in history was first played in Toronto. Huh. So that's why. They probably could use a couple of teams. They could use one on the West Coast. I did not realize that. So Canada invented basketball? That's what this story... That's what they... This came up in all those games they were playing over and over again, yeah. Huh.

59:25 Alright, well, that was invented by John Naysbitt as I recall, but Naysmith, Naysmith, Naysmith, not Naysbitt. Naysmith, you know more than I do. No, I'm reading the troll room. I have the troll room open, that's how I... How could you, how could you for a second think I knew more about sports than you? That just isn't logical. You surprise me, that's why. Anyway, back to... You could be a closet sports junkie for all I know. Back to I think the the Glovecast maybe is a better name for the OJ. Oh the Glovecast.

1:00:04 We are so sick. Yes, podcasts ladies and gentlemen, they're taking over the world. Witness the BBC. Back in the real world it was announced today that this show is being replaced in the autumn by a podcast. No, no. A podcast! I mean is there no limit to the depths of depravity to which BBC schedulers are prepared to set? What is a podcast anyway? I mean, what is a podcast? If God had meant pods to be cast, he wouldn't have invented the wireless. The good news is, it's free.

1:00:40 That's one of my favorite clips of the week. Tips of depravity. And I got an ISO. A podcast! I just love the... this is how he's so denigrating this guy. That's uh, what's it Andrew Neal, whatever his name is. Andy Neal. It's a whole fart. Just that beginning again. Back in the real world, it was announced today that this show is being replaced in the autumn by a podcast. podcast. I mean is there no limit to the depths of depravity to which BBC schedulers are prepared to sink? It makes me so proud. I'm very very proud of that. I would give you a clip of the day but I'm not going to. And with that I would like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you the man who put the C in Canadian basketball John C!

1:01:30 Well, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry, also in the morning to all the ships at sea. And the boots on the ground and the subs in the water and all the dames and all the knights out there. And in the morning to our trolls. We got a lot of them. The trolls are in the troll room. You can find them at noagendastream.com where you can also listen live to the program. And there's many programs. It's 24 sevens. There's always someone in there listening, commenting, trolling, and we're not bashful about it. It's trolls. So go in there, you know, show your best trollage. Noagendastream.com and

1:02:07 We also like to say in the morning to CSB. I think I think CSB has changed his His name on the art generator. I don't know you could do that. Yeah, you can apparently And he's... What is his name then? Comic... Wait, let me guess. It's Charlie... Charlie... Sierra? Smith... Bravo? Bingham. Well, it turns out it's... the name CSB has now been hijacked by some dude named Comic Strip Blogger. Oh no. And who was very mad at you because you apparently have blocked him on Twitter, so...

1:02:49 Yeah, well that's because he was, well, not that I don't like the guy. Yeah, you blocked him though. That's not a real likable thing to do. Well, you know, he was, he was... Was getting too much material Stop with all the great material is what you're saying that's that's what a block means to you. It's just too much good material, please I have to slow you down it is I'm not there to I'm just there to I don't know why I'm there I don't even know why I go on Twitter. I should get off of it well this was the artwork for episode 1146 the title of that was Gugger's and And CSB, aka Comicture Blogger, did a great piece of art. It was the Fort Trump logo. It was nice. It was done with kind of pixelated camouflage background.

1:03:35 And it made sense in context of the episode that we had and we appreciate it. It's no agenda art generator calm where you can see all the artwork that's submitted where you can submit artwork and lots of people do and We always have to make a very difficult choice, and it was the CSB's who we chose and again Thank you It's part of our value for value model it really helps when we have fresh artwork to show because people it catches people's eye in Where they find podcasts everywhere, so thank you Well, we have three executive producers and again no associates for some weird reason. Wow, second time in a row. This is odd. Yeah, also this is the second time in a row that we have no checks that are over $50 that came in. In fact, the pile of checks is very small. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless... Maybe that's the way the intelligence agencies are sending us money. Oh, they send checks and we're not doing it right? We're not doing their bidding. I don't know what it is we said wrong.

1:04:34 But the top of the list is in fact I have the bonus clip. This is Sir Dave Fugazotto. Hold on. Hold on. Where was your bonus clip? I didn't I didn't listen to your to your bonus clip, so I didn't know what it was. Fugazotto! Now I know what it is. Let's just make sure we recognize that name again. Fugazotto! All right, Sir Dave. So I played that for Jay, she's in her office and she's doing something and she hears this Fugazotto screech and she goes, what the hell is that? And I play it again and it makes you laugh because Fletcher cracks his voice

1:05:21 In some very controlled way at the end of the Fugazotto. FUGAZOTTO! It's just on the end there, isn't it? Yeah, it's unbelievable how good this guy is. And so I was going back and forth and I said maybe we should reintroduce the old... We had a gimmick about four years ago, I think, where we would let people donate a certain amount of money, they'd get a Fletcher call-out. Oh, that's a cool idea. Yeah, we did it. Yes, we did it, but it's a long time ago. Let me see some of the yells we have. Donald! That's one. Of course there's the classic. Putin! It's the crack at the voice every single time.

1:06:07 Yeah, he's very controlled. I don't know, I mean that is a skill that I was talking to Jay about. I said this is a voiceover skill that is not something anyone can do. And I don't know anyone else who can do it, it's like this. I mean it's unbelievable. No, that wasn't as good one. It's funnier when it's just him, when it's no music. Yeah, screaming, yeah. No, that's not. I don't know if I have any other way so oh yeah yeah yes this is the one ladies and gentlemen it is time to rob a lie that's a good one all right so there's a promotion you're working on very good yeah and I'm thinking for the did till we get to the promotion anyone who donates sir Dave

1:07:01 did $999.99. Anyone who does a grand or more will get a call out for him. Oh, wow. In the meantime, but the promotional, the original promotion, I went back and forth with Fletcher, John, about this. And he reminded me that it was an old pie donation at 314 when I won five. that we did it for, and we did it for about two or three months, but I was thinking of just doing it for about a month. But if anybody wants to do a thousand bucks at any time, well, I think he'd be more amenable to throw out your last name and then you can put it on your phone or whatever you want to do. That was the original idea. Oh, but anyway, so let me get to the donations. So Sir Dave at $9.99.99. This donation three times three, three, three, three, three is a recognition and thanks for all the karmic goodness

1:07:49 requested during show 1111 the super uber mega karma episode. Melody is well on her way to success as a grad student. Lady Isabel enjoyed great success in the last Irish dance competition out in Portland. Yes. I'm retired from the army as of the 30th of the month and have landed a job and our house just sold. Not saying that requesting karma back then had anything to do with all of it, but hey, it certainly didn't hurt. All you freeloaders out there, and you know who you are, should try donating sometime and getting some of your own. It's a super uber mega amazing. Or as he puts it, amazing.

1:08:36 Balancing all that, however, Brad, my buddy with the brain cancer, went into the hospice a couple of days ago and we, brothers in arms, are watching and waiting in, watching and waiting mode. Kind of a bummer. Some F cancer karma would be appreciated. Let me do that right here, right now. Let me do it now. You've got karma. Gotta separate that out. I'm kind of lost track for a while, but I recently went back and updated my accounting and apparently I've leveled up to Viscount. I request a peerage upgrade during today's show and would like to expand my territory to include America's heartland and Saudi Arabia. Also an episode or two ago, the question arose as to whether or not

1:09:23 Count is in a level is a love whether or not count that was last show is a level in the no agenda peerage system according to Dvorak Slash or peerage and the book of knowledge page on Italian nobility count is synonymous with Earl. No Oh not by count. Okay. Oh We don't use count, and we don't use the Italian nobility, we use the British. Finally, according to the update from the UAE's last episode, Riyadh is also hot. As I type this, it's 130, oh he's there. It's 113 degrees, but without the humidity that our UAE producer is likely enjoying,

1:10:07 And there's a headline from today's Arab news. Filipina players dominate at women's bowling championship in Jeddah. Congrats, ladies. Way to go. Do they have cute outfits is the question. Keep up the great work and thank you for your courage. Thank you for your courage, Sir Dave. Yeah. So he, I mean, see what do I have on the list? Viscount Dave. Yeah, Viscount of America's heartland and Saudi Arabia. Outstanding. And thank you for Your support, long time support, it's highly appreciated. Let's give him a regular Karma so he can add to his collection. You've got Karma. Serendipity came in from Columbra, Portugal, I believe. Yes. 43234.

1:10:58 Once all operational expenses are taken care of, I'd like to suggest that part of my donation goes to help Adam pay a romantic dinner to Mrs. Tina the Keeper. Enjoy your vacations here. Yes, we're going to Portugal tomorrow and that's where our actual honeymoon... Oh, that's right, I remember that. That's where the actual honeymoon takes place. You gonna go to Old Porto? Possibly. We're so tired. You're gonna go to Lisbon and hang out. We're going to the Algarve and to hang out. You're gonna where? The Algarve. Oh, I never heard of it. The Algarve. It's like the entire, it's the beautiful coast. It's where you vacation. The Algarve. It's a region.

1:11:42 Okay, well anyway. I want to say anyone who likes it has never visited Portugal and you're a photographer mm-hmm Lisbon It's the most photographic city. I've ever been to Not because it's ornate and beautiful or it's like Barcelona It's kind of dingy, but in a very photogenic way by the way I'm a regular passenger on the emergency row of the OPC O-P-O-A-M-S flights, so if you see a sales looking guy seated there, drop an ITM, it might be me. Finally! We're flying from Belfast and we're flying easy jet, so unfortunately we won't see you.

1:12:27 Finally, a gift to the No Agenda listeners. With four human resources already, I'm donating all of my baby-making karma. I won't cut my tubes, but I'm done. Please play the Hillary cackle. Two to the head, then that's wrong, followed by brown shoes karma. You've got karma. By the way, I appreciate very much. But the keeper actually is paying for this part of the journey for the Portugal rest to Portugal. Yes. She booked everything. She did best. Well, a couple of things I should mention, because I think Portugal is fantastic, but it has some of the lowest price wines, high quality wines.

1:13:23 locally made, dry and sweet, but mostly, but the dry wines are outstanding and the whites are terrific. They're way underpriced worldwide. You get them over here too cheap. They're extremely inexpensive in Portugal. And they also do the same thing with their olive oil. So olive oils are way underpriced. So if you're, you can find a good one, you can get it for next to nothing and you can throw it in a check-in luggage and bring it back. I'm sure that in the, in 11 years we've discussed it, but you know, I was very famous for a little while in Portugal when it was still a third world country. Yeah, you talked about this because when I've never been to Portugal pre-EU, so I never got to see the dirt roads that are now giant freeways. Yeah, it was.

1:14:10 So this was 1982 or 83, and there was an international consortium called Europa Television. And Europa Television was all the public broadcasters from the EU. I think it was even a precursor to the EU Eurovision coming together. And so people were doing news and sports, and we provided a half hour of music videos every single day. And typically this was broadcast, and it would be as, you know, because Europe had a lot of cable penetration, so you could get all these crazy channels. There was Sky Channel, there was Music Box, there was MTV. But in Portugal, they only had two stations, RTP1, RTP2, and it was over the air, there was no cable. But for some reason, they decided every day, and it's a public broadcaster, to take our show called Countdown and air that

1:15:03 on television over the air. So here were kids who were, and Portugal was a third world country in the early 80s. I mean, this is all before the big EU money came in. So they had just nothing but dirt roads. Now, here was a guy who all of the first time they were seeing Bon Jovi videos. They'd never seen this before. It's like Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Tina Turner. And people would send me mail, postcards, remember those? And they would be post sacks full. I mean, just huge mail bags. And I'd be reading their notes. And so when we went there to just, you know, we'll just do a couple of shows from Portugal. We were at the airport.

1:15:48 And, you know, we had to import all of our camera gear back in the day. It was a lot bigger and you had to have a carnet, C-A-R-N-E-T, a carnet, which was, it's like a travel document for your, for your gear so that when you enter the country and you leave again, you didn't sell off some $100,000 piece of equipment that they didn't know about. So it took a little while for us to get through customs, but we kept hearing this weird sound, and I thought it was the baggage carousel at the airport, which it could have been because it was rickety. But it turned out when we finally had the Carnet set and we were going through customs, the doors opened, there were 5,000 kids standing there waiting for Adam Kuriel, Adam Kuriel, Adam Kuriel!

1:16:31 And I'd made jokes on the show like, oh we're going to Portugal. Yeah, all right girls, make sure you show up in my hotel with a Lamborghini. Dude, I still have paper clippings front page where girls showed up with their dad's Lamborghini to give to me. It was outrageous. And just one of the trippiest things I've ever witnessed. And now, no one knows who I am. It's done. I'm nothing. Fame is fleeting. So I'm going to see if we can find any old people while we're there. Like, hey man, remember me, baby? Let me show you a picture of what I used to look like.

1:17:09 Yeah, you should do that. You'll get a badge or a button. Maybe, maybe I'll get something. A big giant button like the podcasting button. A big giant button with your old face on it that says, this used to be me. Hi, I used to be famous. Surely you remember me. I used to be famous. All right. Well, maybe someone will recognize you. It happens. Yeah, maybe not. We'll find out. Maybe not. I do recall someone gave me a port wine from my birth year, 1964. And I saved that and when I turned, I think 40, I opened it. God, that was some dreck. It completely gone bad. It was horrible. No, 64 is not a good year. Now if they were smart and given you a 63, which is still good to this day, and just kind of X'd out the 3 and put a written word on a 4, you would have had a file of killer port. Oh man, I remember

1:18:01 At a certain point, we had all these autograph sessions. And we had this promoter. He was like, Alessandro Bost was his name. Ah, Alessandro Bost, today we take autographs very close by. And we get in this Renault Espace van and we drive for three and a half hours through these dirt roads. Like, what are we doing? And there'd be a crowd of several hundred kids there. But then the punks showed up. They were on you know like mopeds and bicycles, and they were spitting at the car and jumping on it was it was crazy I got to find some of that video. I'm gonna post that if I can find any yeah good times Thank God the EU came in and straightened those people out well made a mistake and enslaved them into obedience well they

1:18:52 They're old rulers. It wasn't much better. Sir Colin the friendly fat man is our last associate or executive producer. He's the third one. That's all we got. $360. Nice donation. Mm-hmm, sir. Call on Colin the friendly fat man from Cincinnati Mm-hmm couple of things on the list for today one I want to wish my father Arthur a very by the way We did have a father Father's Day promotion for Father's Day and as usual Yeah, everyone hates their dad's they hate their dad's they hate them. They hate their moms They have no Valentine's, but they love Fibonacci numbers. That's right. Go Fibonacci boo dad boo mom. Oh

1:19:34 I want to wish my father Arthur a very happy Father's Day. He's a man of heroic character and unwavering conviction that I aspire to imitate daily in my own feeble way. He has made me into the man I am today and there is nothing I could ever do to repay him for all he has done for me and my six siblings. So, the next best thing Is to recognize him on the best podcast in the universe. This donation amount is magical shape-shifting Jew $18 donation times 20. Nice. Seven kids and 13 grandkids. God bless him. Nice. I also want to wish a happy Father's Day to my brother Stephan, or Stephen, and my two brothers-in-law Chris and Kevin.

1:20:17 I was involved in the Cincinnati meetup back in May and forgot to send you guys the picture attached of our group. It was a great get together and we even had a baron humble us with his presence. Nice. As many have said, it was an amazing feeling to be able to talk about whatever we wanted without much of any concern for upsetting our table mates. Yes, that's how it works. I recently took the first step, number four. I recently took, that was number three. Number four, I recently took my first step into the property ladder and bought a house. Yes. I knew it was the one when I saw the street address included the magic number 33.

1:20:56 Now my mother would really like me to find a keeper of my own and go along with it so I could get some house relationship karma. So that's what he wants. Yeah, well that's what his mom wants. Yeah, that's what his mom wants. We'll give him some too. We know that what he wants is really just some awesome hookers. You heard that, Tina. On the subject of houses, Adam, I was the one who sent you the high and mighty wall hanging stuff. I hope you liked it. Yes! I hope you liked it and it worked out for you. Hearing your thoughts would be great. What is he talking about? It would be great if you'd mention the website, designerdesigntobestuckup.com to my fellow producers. I'm glad that he finally sent this in, Sir Colin. So when we said that we had bought a house and we're going to move into the house, he sent us a whole bunch of these designed to be stuck up items.

1:21:55 you can... Like what? Well it's hooks but also there's a shelf so there's no holes you don't drill any holes and it's just it's it's it's you have to look at the website to understand the the system but you can hang up up to like 30 40 pounds in some cases without drilling holes the stuff just sticks to the wall or what and drywall it does it with drywall too it's it's it's very cool designed to be stuck up dot-com Thanks for everything and along with the karma can I get some magical shape-shifting Jew and Putin on the wrist on the rich Ritz Thanks for calling the friendly fat man. F.W. and you don't know where there's fake news. Why don't you get your Gitmo fix? Putin on the Ritz Dressed up like a million dollar trooper

1:22:47 Trying not to look like Anderson Cooper Super pooper Come let's mix where John Podesta walks with kids Oh, I mean pizzas in his mitts Putin on the Ritz Roll up, roll up for the magical shapeshifting juice Step right this way Roll up Roll up for the shapeshifting juice Roll up The magical shapeshifting juice You thought karma All right, well, I want to thank these three folks for becoming the executive producers for show 1147 yeah, and and once again no associate executive producers, which is very odd. They're very odd. We don't see that often He did mention the Cincinnati meetup. I do missy

1:23:48 Dave, it was no agenda torrent Dave back in the day at the London meetup he did do a $50 cash on the spot donation he neglected to add a note he just wanted to be deduced. You've been deduced. And I have a report from the Copenhagen meetup which was just the other day. This is from Eric who organized. Greetings from Copenhagen we just finished our first successful meetup six producers including two nights who came out of hiding to speak freely and nurse hangovers, the Dane hangover apparently, and discuss the future of Scandinavia from a no agenda perspective. It was a huge success and plans are already in the works to make it a regular thing. Adam, I hope when you are finally done with Honeymoons you're able to join us next time. I'd love to go to Copenhagen.

1:24:36 I would too, I'll go. In honor of the Copenhagen Knights and our lengthy discussion of the number 33 and how much Adam really knows about its origin I've made a donation 6666. We'll be thanking him later on of course as this is my first donation. Please de-douche me and kindly call out Pablo Ponting as a massive douchebag. Thanks to you and John for your hard work. Hope you are proud that it brings six strangers together halfway across the world. Yes, I think we are extremely proud of this, John. I'm actually stunned by it. Although I'm not surprised.

1:25:16 And I'm specifically not surprised about the fact that people all get along because the nature of the show is, it does have a mindset that if people subscribe to it, they will be happier. They won't have an inflamed amygdala and they will get along with each other. And they always do. And I've never, you know, yet to see anybody say otherwise. You wouldn't come to the thing if you weren't normal person and the fact that they're doing it that they're already planning the next one means good news good news there now say oh here's your deduces you've been

1:25:57 You've got karma. So thank you. Thank you to our executive producers of episode 1147 you'd certainly made up picked up some slack which is highly appreciated For those of you who are interested in our value for value proposition All you have to do is think about what the show was worth to you, what kind of value it provided this episode, on more than one episode, how many you've been listening to, and just send that to us. And you can do that very simply at... Devorak.org slash N-A. That's right, I'll be doing another show from the honeymoon on Thursday. Make sure you're there. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order a podcast. Shut up, slave.

1:26:55 So I have a clip that confirms something I was brought up a couple years ago. You were never, you were all in on this too. And this is Steve Pachanik. Hey, what are you doing on my beat with my handler? Steve Pchenik on North Korea tourism. For the most part, North Korea right now is a country waiting to be helped. And why do I say that? There are beaches there on the southeast of North Korea and they want to open it up and make it a tourist attraction by October 2019. And Trump

1:27:32 is the right person in the right place for the right time in order to make that type of deal with Kim Jong-un. Now, Kim Jong-un knows he has to open up North Korea. There are no more missiles he can fire. There's no more radiation that he can shoot out because it's really not a benefit to North Korea. He knows that tourism, primarily by the Chinese, last year, I think about 100,000 Chinese came into the Southeast part of North Korea on the beaches was not enough. He wanted to open it up to the world and the way he could do that was to establish a personal relationship, what we would call in Chinese, guanxi, with President Trump, because Trump, of course, knows how to develop resorts. He knows how to build hotels. And he correctly said, look,

1:28:19 Whatever happened in the CIA didn't occur under my auspices, but nevertheless I have a very good relationship with Kim Jong-un. I believe that and I believe that Kim Jong-un will in fact make a deal with Trump. My suspicion is it'll be around October of 2019. I could be wrong, but I hope I'm right. Oh, is that like an October surprise? I don't know. Yeah, of course it is. Right before the wrong October. You want the October surprise. Oh, you want 2020 October. Right, right, right. I'm sorry. I think it's also premature. I don't think, I think it's not far enough along for that to happen this year, but okay. Now, for those of you who are relatively new to the program, my uncle, Don Gregg,

1:29:05 G-R-E-G-G. Who's listed in Wikipedia if you want his background. Yes, he's on the wikis as a high-ranking CIA. He's up in his late 80s now. I don't think he's actually stopped all work. But he was ambassador to South Korea after the Iran-Contra affair where I believe he didn't protect his boss properly. So off he was to South Korea. But he had been to North Korea many, many times and we were talking about what was happening at the time when you came up with the tourist destination and he confirmed that, confirmed, he said absolutely, all they want is peace and a true end of the war. We only have an armistice, the war was never officially ended.

1:29:53 And they would love nothing more than to be a tourist destination. In fact, it was after he tried to talk to the Obama administration and they pretty much just threw him right out, and we're not interested in listening to you, that he said to me... Greg. I'm sorry? Yeah, it was Greg that they didn't want to listen to. Yeah, they didn't want to listen to Uncle Don. He said, Adam, Dennis Rodman understands North Korea better than anybody in the entire administration. And I think this turns out to be true. That's true. Yeah, it seems true. Now the one thing they're doing though is that you can tell that they're trying to line up, they have some mountainous areas where I guess they can create ski resorts. Skiing, yeah, skiing. And they've got the hotels up there and everything ready to go even though they haven't really have any experience with lots of people, especially with a lot of grouchy German tourists, let's say, and Americans. The two worst tourists by most standards, although the Chinese are getting up there.

1:30:54 and the beaches and all the rest. But the one thing that is never discussed is that giant pageant they have every year. North Korea has the largest soccer stadium in the world. I think it holds 120. If you look at large stadiums, the biggest one is the North Korean one. And I think it holds 120 or 140,000 people. It's huge. And they pack them in for this pageant that they have every year that is the most spectacular thing. You can see videos of it. Madeline Albright saw it. She got to witness it. Well, there's tons of reporters who go. And a lot of reporters go. But the thing about this thing is it holds so many people. They could do one for tourists and I'm telling you, people would pay a thousand dollars a seat. Yeah, you could do it just like the Main Street Electrical Parade at Disneyland. You could do it two times a week easy.

1:31:46 Well, I never thought about doing it more than once. Yeah, and have... Yeah, you can do it weekly. And have grand marshals. Yeah. You know, like O.J. It's very doable. I mean, it would build up to that because people are still skeptical about going to North Korea, but I'd go in at the drop of a hat. And... Well, there is... ...this spectacular display of coordination, and it's just an astonishing thing to see. There is yet again, noises coming from Agent Orange. our Dutch military intelligence guy, that an opportunity may open up for the show to go to North Korea. But I don't think we should not go together. That's probably not a good idea. No, it's going to be hard to broadcast from there. Well, because it would be part of some military thing, he says that he feels that that may be possible. But now if it's hard to broadcast live, then maybe it does make sense for us to go together.

1:32:44 That would be the first and only time we ever do a show near each other. Yeah, I don't want to break tradition. Okay, screw North Korea. Don't want to ruin the show. No, I want to go to North Korea, but I got to get to North Korea one way or the other. What I've told you my live Joe so I said this one still yeah, yeah, love to go to North Korea What why would you go to them see that murderous North Korea? Why would you do this and these are liberals? These are guys who used to write for New York Times and they've been teach professors liberals professors liberals That's that

1:33:23 So I've been watching the action on the tanker attack. Yeah, I got a couple clips on this. Well, I have a couple of clips too and then I have a clip that actually makes sense. Most of the clips are just, you know, hysterical, not interesting. I don't know what we should do here. Why don't you play your clips? I have a BBC background or since I'm over here I thought it might be interesting to get there. Use the BBC and then I'll play mine and I have the kicker clip is the from RT which has a different perspective. So once again we have to go outside of United States broadcasting to get anything of any use.

1:34:03 Pretty much. Alright, here's the BBC. Well, the Iranians are saying it wasn't us, but the Americans are saying yes it was. They're blaming Iran for a suspected attack on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman. One is reported to have been hit by a torpedo. We know that crew had to be rescued from both. And we have this video that's been released by the Iranian Navy, which shows the Norwegian ship, the Front Altair. It's carrying 75,000 tonnes of a particular type of crude oil and we know the crew reported three explosions. Here's the Iranian Foreign Minister saying, reported attacks on Japan-related tankers occurred when Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was meeting the Ayatollah Khomeini for extensive talks. He says, suspicious doesn't begin to describe what likely transpired this morning. Now to explain

1:34:52 One of the ships certainly is Japanese owned, the other though is owned by Norway so I'm not sure why he's suggesting both are related to Japan. Either way, Iran has many suspicions but so do the Americans. Here's Mike Pompeo. It is the assessment of the United States government that the Islamic Republic of Iran is responsible for the attacks that occurred in the Gulf of Amman today. This assessment is based on intelligence, the weapons used, the level of expertise needed to execute the operation... And a whole bunch of New World Order bullshit. Recent similar Iranian attacks on shipping and the fact that no proxy group operating in the area has the resources and proficiency to act with such a high degree of sophistication. Help us understand what the Iranians are saying think happened here.

1:35:41 Well, other than what you read, which is we were set up, the idea that the Supreme Leader was meeting with the Prime Minister of Japan as this happened, given that one of the ships was Japan-owned, it is creating that sort of doubt even inside Iran, and especially from the point of view of the government. that this was an operation to embarrass them or make that trip unsuccessful. However, in that very meeting, the Supreme Leader of Iran said that he's not going to respond to any message that the President of the United States had sent through the Japanese Prime Minister because

1:36:23 It was America and this administration in Washington that has violated the nuclear deal, has brought back sanctions. He even pointed out that right before the Prime Minister of Japan's trip to Iran, U.S. took another step in sanctioning Iran's petrochemical industry, which is huge. part of Iran's exports. So it was clear from the Iranian point of view that there is nothing to talk about to this administration as long as they're in violation of the deal of UN Security Council 2231. Yet to have this incident happen on the very same day, it does give them some leeway to at least argue that this seems something far-fetched from something they would do because there's nothing to be gained from it.

1:37:09 Yeah, you know that's kind of a long-winded similarity to the RT report which is a little tighter. The British like to talk. Yeah. But it's a lot different than what we get here. This is the CBS report on Iran and oil tankers. Okay, sorry about that. Here we go. Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are calling for decisive action to protect energy supplies after two oil tankers were attacked this week. President Trump says Iran is to blame. Charlie Dagada is in the UAE tonight with the latest. The tanker front Altair in flames and adrift is now reportedly under tow to the United Arab Emirates. It's everything okay. Its 23 crew members rescued by the Iranian military and detained are soon headed home too. Iran insists it had nothing to do with Thursday's back-to-back attacks on the Altair and Japanese tanker Kokuka Courageous, despite repeated accusations from the Trump administration.

1:38:09 Well, Iran did do it and you know they did it because you saw the boat. I guess one of the mines didn't explode and it's probably got essentially Iran written all over it. Images from US military officials. Is the president high when he's saying this stuff? What is wrong with him? What is wrong with him? One of the mines didn't explode and it's probably got essentially Iran written all over it. Images from US military officials show a tanker with a hole blown in its side and what military officials say is an unexploded mine still attached to the hull. Later, the US military released this grainy video footage showing what appeared to be Iranian forces removing the mine and making off with it. Oh, I love the grainy footage. We can see a matchstick from space, but oh, grainy footage.

1:38:56 Germany's foreign minister cast doubt on the evidence and even the UAE has stopped short of directly naming Iran. This has only been possible by a state sponsored attacks. Now investigators here will be able to take a closer look at one of the crime scenes as the Kukuka Courageous arrives here just offshore in the coming hours and its contents safely transferred to another ship. I would like to remind us of United States presidents and these types of operations, certainly when the neocons were re-flourishing under the Obama administration in 2012. This is Patrick Claussen of the Washington Institute for Near East Studies.

1:39:48 which is a neocon, a-hole, blow-the-world-up think tank. Listen to what this guy was saying. I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough and it's very hard for me to see how the United States president can get us to war with Iran. Which leads me to conclude that if in fact compromise is not coming, that the traditional way of America gets to war is what would be best for US interests. Some people might think that Mr. Roosevelt wanted to get us into World War II, as David mentioned. You may recall we had to wait for Pearl Harbor. Some people might think Mr. Wilson wanted to get us into World War I. You may recall he had to wait for the Lusitania episode. Some people might think that Mr. Johnson wanted to send troops to Vietnam. You may recall they had to wait for the Gulf of Tonkin episode.

1:40:36 We didn't go to war with Spain until the U.S.S.—until the Maine exploded. And may I point out that Mr. Lincoln did not feel he could call out the Federal Army until Fort Sumter was attacked, which is why he ordered the commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly that thing which the South Carolinians had said would cause an attack. So if, in fact, the Iranians aren't going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war. One can combine other means of pressure with sanctions. I mentioned that explosion on August 17th. We could step up the pressure. I mean, look, people, Iranian submarines periodically go down. Someday one of them might not come up. Who would know why? We can do a variety of things if we wish to increase the pressure. I'm not advocating that, but I'm just suggesting that this is not an either-or proposition. It's just sanctions has to succeed or other things.

1:41:31 We are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians. We could get nastier than that. So the two things I thought interesting about this clip from 2012 is one, the mention of Iranian submarines that could go down and not come up. And notice how he just skipped over 9-11. Every false flag known to man, even some that are disputed in the lexicon, there's a 9-11 thing. Let's not talk about that. Just skip over that. But that's the thinking. That is recent. That's what took 25 years before the Gulf of Tompkins thing, even though everyone knew it was a fake, got into the news media. The news media, they dropped the ball for 25 years. Yeah. Maybe longer. Well, we only have a couple more than until 9-11 can be uncovered for real.

1:42:19 Well, it's got a lot more to go. So let's hear what RT has to say, which is again, very similar to the BBC report with a little more, a little, a little, even though it's a discussion, it's a little, It gets to the point a little better about what happened we have not only the government sources But the media rushing to pin the tail on the designated culprit under circumstances that seem awfully convenient Don't they I mean here how many people have been saying that the the rush to war toward Iran seems to be abating? Somewhat we've got we've got our big going to Tehran. Maybe he's got a message from Trump Maybe there's a first step to working things out and said Bam, something happens.

1:43:05 So, it's important to point out, by the way, that Iran was in the midst of high-level and friendly meetings with the Japanese Prime Minister in and around the time the tanker attacks took place. What's, I guess, most important here is that the tanker was a Japanese vessel. And Iran officials asked, what sense would it make for us to attack a Japanese vessel while we're meeting in a friendly confines with Japanese officials? Meanwhile, one other note, and this is important. The attack has sent the price of oil across the globe way, way up and the trend has continued. I have a clip that follows this perfectly from the CIA broadcast systems, CBS. Our old buddy Mike Morrell was asked to comment, former deputy director and at one point acting director of the CIA. How much risk is there of this becoming a military conflict?

1:44:01 Margaret, I don't think the United States will respond militarily here because we were not attacked directly. And I think that would be a predicate for the president to respond militarily. But I think the risk of conflict is growing and I think it's growing dangerously. And I think the way it could play out is that one of our allies, the United Arab Emirates or Saudi Arabia, would respond to this attack or another attack like it to deter the Iranians and that would escalate into a broader conflict that could draw us in. Today Iran's top diplomat called the timing of this suspicious, trying to distance themselves from it. So why would they go through with an attack?

1:44:42 They are under a tremendous amount of pressure because of the sanctions that we've put on them. Their economy is suffering. Their response here is to try to get the rest of the world to put pressure on us to ease up. And they want to do that by raising oil prices and creating an atmosphere of a risk of war. I think it ultimately backfires on them, Margaret, and they end up more isolated. Hmm. This is bull, this guy, he's not the guy you want to be doing this stuff with. He's not a good actor. Nope. And he doesn't make a lot of sense. What he said made zero sense. It doesn't, he just yaks and yaks and yaks. He didn't say right. What was that thing he always says right? He usually says right, right. Right, right. Maybe he's off of that. Maybe he fixed that. Well maybe somebody said- Someone finally said, bro, stop that. Right? Bro, stop saying right after every sentence. Right, he said right all the time.

1:45:37 We do have an example of him doing that probably. He is not pulling this off very well. It's the whole thing makes no sense. I think if he would have stuck, the other thing is you if you're going to make these kinds of, I don't know, co-intel points, you want to do it with just finding one good point. And he, the point was, was kind of made with the RT report and he Morel made it, but he didn't make it strongly enough, which is, well, it's obvious that the Iranians are trying to, they're hurting for money. They make us, they make most of their money still by selling oil under the table at a discounted rate. So let's jack up the price of oil by sending a few missiles at these tankers. It'll jack up the price of oil. We'll get, we'll, we'll get out of debt. It's just, it's just a money grab. If you just go with that,

1:46:27 I think you've solved it. You, oh yeah, that makes sense, uh-huh. And then you kind of just, you know, just move the argument around a little bit. But how long did the price actually spike? Didn't it come down again? Isn't it, isn't it... I think it's... Still spiking? It's not, it's not spiked. It never spiked. It started moving up. I mean, it's different than moving up in a spike. Right. Well, the thing is, I mean, no matter what, if you're on the inside of these types of operations, it's a moneymaker. Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, if we had known Hey, you're gonna make a big deal about some Japanese ship and buy a couple calls in oil or whatever the instrument is. There's all kinds of ways of doing it. Let's see what the price of oil is. All kinds of ways that we never do it is what you're trying to tell me. Well, last was $52.51. Oh, that's low. I thought it went up to $60 plus. I think that was Brent. Oh. There's two kinds of oil.

1:47:27 Cheesier one is cheaper. What's the cheese? A crude crude oil. Why is it cheesy? It's because it's got a salt lot of sulfur in it has to be treated. It's just cheesy oil. But it's what most oil is, it's not great stuff. But you know what no one ever talks about is what is to become of Iran once we go full... Rubble eyes! You played the Fletcher clip, play it again. I was going to say, what is to become from Iran when we go full carbon neutral? They themselves believe that the oil is a short-term thing because they want to be, and they claim this, I don't believe, I do believe that they are building bombs or they want to build bombs, but they want to build nuclear power plants. Yeah. And so does Saudi Arabia. Actually, and then some of them, I guess, one of the countries, I think it's,

1:48:28 one of the sand barren countries, they put up these giant solar arrays that are massive and they're just covering a bunch of truly lifeless desert. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to rubble ice! Anyway, so on the other news front that we need to catch up on is Assange. Ah, yes, I guess the extradition order was signed? I'm not absolutely sure it was signed, but I do have some interesting clips, again from RT. Julian Assange! Oops, sorry.

1:49:16 The first one is, they got two of them. So you don't want the thoughts, you want Julian Assange with Rick Sanchez in a run down with a kicker. So Julian Assange appeared in court today for what may very well be one of the most important legal decisions of our time. On trial is the notion that a country, in this case our country, Can reach out anywhere in the world and arrest someone for writing something saying something or publishing something It does not want decimated now. He said this he's supposed to say disseminated He said decimated and he stupidly said decimated kind of fits in an odd way

1:50:01 It does fit in an odd way, but it was a complete botch and I got a big kick out of hearing it because he never corrected himself. So he's obviously just reading like a robot if you're not listening to yourself. Anyway, it goes on, he brings in Chris Hedges, the kind of lefty Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who's really a good journalist, but he's very, you know, compromised by his left-wing leanings. Thoughts on killing... I said thoughts on Julian Assange on RT with Hedges and Sanchez's clip. You know, I've been following part of the arguments from the United States and they're saying something about that it has nothing to do with him being someone who disseminates or publishes information and that it has more to do with the fact that it was espionage and that he cracked some kind of code. Can you put some clarity behind what the United States is saying about this code that he apparently cracked and what Assange's side is saying about this?

1:50:59 Right, well that goes back to the issue I just spoke about. It was an attempt to essentially bypass the security, the password and security, so that Chelsea Manning could cover her tracks. So it wasn't clear that it was Chelsea Manning breaking in and downloading these documents. The charges under the Espionage Act are just frankly legally bizarre. Julian Assange is not an American citizen. He's an Australian citizen. And at one point, before Lenin Moreno revoked his citizenship, he was an Ecuadorian citizen. WikiLeaks is not a US-based publication. And so the legal precedent that this sets

1:51:46 is, number one, that anyone who publishes classified material can be subject to the Espionage Act, as recent editorials in the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the Washington Post correctly pointed out. But secondly, that any journalist anywhere in the world that in the eyes of the United States violates security can be seized and carted back to the United States for trial. Well, yeah, that's why China decided to do the same thing. They're like tit for tat. Hey everybody, let's do this. This is great. Yeah, this is absolutely the correlation I wanted to make. Yeah. China and their extradition laws in Hong Kong, which I have some clips of because that seems to be falling apart, is doing the same thing. They're just copying our lead. And there's nothing wrong with it. We're number one, baby.

1:52:41 So Chris Hedges on espionage continues by discussing the chilling effect of the Espionage Act and its problems. And I think, you know, the fact that I have to go to RT to get this opinion, even though we can do these opinions ourselves. It's kind of pathetic that the American media doesn't do something about or make a bigger stink about this. Chris Hedges on espionage, espionage act problems. Right. And I have to say this began under the Obama administration with the misuse of the Espionage Act, a 1917 act passed by Woodrow Wilson, which was the equivalent of the British Foreign Secrets Act, i.e. it is about giving classified or top secret information to a hostile power.

1:53:26 That's what it was designed for. It wasn't designed to shut down whistleblowers. Obama, it had been used three times, including unsuccessfully against Daniel Ellsberg. Obama used it nine times against, for instance, Edward Snowden and others, John Kiriakou, and that had a huge chilling effect. Because all of those people with a conscience within the systems of power that traditionally had had the courage to reach out to journalists and expose abuses of power no longer did so because, number one, of course, they know they're monitored. We now know from Snowden they're completely monitored, but also because they knew how they would be charged.

1:54:06 uh... and this is really compounding that problem uh... it it will now if julian is extradited to the united states if he is charged under the espionage act although as i mentioned he's not a u s citizen uh... this is going to send a very ominous message to publications like the New York Times and others that you better not try this. I really fear that it could drop a kind of iron curtain between the public and the inner workings of power. I think it bears, it's worth repeating,

1:54:43 What Pachanik said about this, since he is my official handler, and we did this, what, two weeks ago. Just to refresh your memory, on November 1st of 2016, we had never heard of Pchenik, but I played this clip. So we initiated a counter-coup through Julian Assange, who's been very brave and really quite formidable in his ability to come forth and provide all the necessary emails that we gave to him in order to undermine Hillary and Bill Clinton.

1:55:21 Again, America, we're going through a major, major transition and quite frankly a second American revolution. What are we doing? He's very brave. We, the big we, gave him the emails to eliminate Hillary and Bill Clinton. What are we going to do when we extradite him?" And the answer that came back was, the extradition is under, he will go to a military court where he will be sent home and set free under, quote, special circumstances which the military does not have to disclose.

1:55:59 And I'm gonna take his word for it. Yeah, I... That happening is not going to change the fact that this still will have a chilling effect on the media. Agreed, agreed, agreed. Bringing the guy back and making a fuss about him and then saying this is gonna happen to you too if you do anything like this. It still has its... It still works and the fact that Obama did this night use the this Espionage Act nine times. This act is completely a dead letter law. It shouldn't even be on the books, including the one he mentioned, the one guy, the Curiac, I can never pronounce his name. The guy was an NSA whistleblower. Curacou, Curacou, Curacou. Who went to jail. The guy went to jail. Yeah. He was one of the big five whistleblowers from the NSA, out of the NSA, who kept saying wrongdoing.

1:56:56 And nobody would listen, of course. They have the, oh, there's mechanisms. You can go and you can tell your boss and then he'll report it and then the bad people will be, you know, scolded. It doesn't work. So he went, you know, blew it out and took it to the media. Anyway, so it's a problem. Well, not a problem for us. No, we just, no, not really. We're just a podcast. We're not doing we do analysis. We don't do we don't find documents and then expose them Well, we get lots of information from people that's for sure and we need more of that But never I've never received any documents so to speak of anything good anything worth nothing good sure No for sure so just back to

1:57:51 Uh, Iran for a second. When I hear the president talk like that, he, it's, that's gotta be just total crap. He knows this is bullshit. He knows it. You sure? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. You still got Bolton working in there. Which is the disappointing part. Because that guy's trigger happy and dangerous with Pompeo. I put Pompeo there too. Yeah, both of them, but as a negotiation because he does talk about oh yeah, and I'm ready to negotiate with him We'll talk anytime they want to talk that seems to be kind of the way he does it But what really happened if this was a if they try to do a gulf of Tonkin or Lusitania or any of these which is interestingly a lot of these quote-unquote false flags involved ships What the hell kind of lame op was this?

1:58:47 These ships didn't sink. They didn't explode in a ball of fire. They've been tugged back to wherever. They didn't sink. It's something we have to think about a torpedo. Seriously torpedo and a torpedo strike That torpedo everyone's pulled back on the torpedo Okay, and now they're like little you know little missiles or something coming and hitting the sides of the boat The torpedo theory was debunked I think because somebody was on the deck and saw the missiles coming in Missiles. Yeah. Yeah, you know that whether if you look at the ship, they had the two dents in the side Yeah

1:59:31 Those are for missiles. Somebody shot some low-grade missile and bounced along the water just above the waterline and hit the boat. Seems more like a starter pistol in missiles. Well, remember those missiles the French had, these missiles that were used to sink some boats during the Falkland Islands wars? I don't recall. I can't remember the name. So someone in the chat room will remember the name of these anti-ship missiles. I think the exact quote was quote flying objects. Well, not quite the same as a missile. Yeah, it is. It can be. If you throw a rocket at somebody, it's a missile. That's also a flying... Okay. All right. All right, then. Good. I got you. I got you. You get my point though.

2:00:21 This thing is lame. Yeah, but what kind of flying object would it be? A couple seagulls with bombs attached? I mean, I just don't understand. Well, let's look at it from a different perspective. And I'll give you a reason to fire Bolton and Pompeo. This was fail. Outright fail. Venezuela. If it was designed to do nothing more than raise the price of oil, it didn't. Okay. That was what we came up with on the last show. But the president says, oh yes, this was an attack. These guys are failing left and right. Venezuela, what happened in Venezuela? Did that just end? Everything is hunky-dory? Don't hear about it anymore. Did we take over? Are we running the place?

2:01:07 Guido, you're saying I see where you're headed. You're headed with the whole thing so incompetent. Completely fire him. End up... Fire these boneheads. Can't even sink a ship. I'm gonna show my smould by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Air on No Agenda. Well, we do have a few people to thank for show them 47 and we do have some call outs for some dads. One of them is right off the top here, which is Sir John the brewer came in with $194.70 from St. Louis, Mississippi. And he, uh, his father, Jack was born in 1947. He doesn't listen to the show, but well wishes anyway, need to update my night monikers. I'm no longer brewing.

2:02:04 Sir John the brewer is now sir rocket man Baron of the bay. Oh, let me just make sure he's yes He's on the title change list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's no longer brewing. No. He's rocket man heck well it could be good for us, maybe we We used to get beer from now. We're gonna get rockets. I don't know we'll get some rocket info for sure you know maybe oh Now, as I read these, you look over and see if there's any dad's call out. I think there is in a couple instances. Very few. Since it's a pretty short list, I do want to read a few of these. Peter White, who is the Jubu, now we met the Jubu at the London meetup, and he's a Jewish Buddhist, which is why he's called the Jubu.

2:02:51 His 108 dollars he says is a very sacred powerful donation of course we know now that 18 is a Jewish sacred offering number combined with six the number that manifests intention and ideas in the physical world is 108 by this offering and by offering this 3.3 point 3.2 point 2 May the guardians of reality be empowered to continue their vital deconstruction work and many be hit in the mouth. I understood most of that. But otherwise, thank you very much. Joo-boo. I like Joo-boo. It just sounds funny. Gwendolyn Adams comes in next at $103.15 and she has a note. Yeah. Hello gentlemen. Congrats Adam and Tina. I'd like to wish my longtime loving baby daddy Bill a happy Father's Day.

2:03:46 like my donation account towards his eventual titlage. Don't forget, I shouldn't mention this because we're seeing more and more people discussing these movements of money as if we account for it. You do your accounting. If you want to designate so much of your donation to Bill, then you just do that when it comes around time for him to be knighted or whatever he becomes. When it was first, she or they, two of them went to the first meetup in Sarasota two weeks ago and had a great time. It was three ladies and several dudes named Ben, of course, mostly dudes named Ben, she says, and Perrins. Everyone agreed we should do it again. Hopefully we will. I suppose I should call out the other listeners that aren't attending their own meetups as douchebags. Oh, oh, oh boy.

2:04:40 something. Oh no! We have a douchebag short circuit ladies and gentlemen. Let me see if I can fix it. Douchebag, douchebag short circuit. Well let's see if I can fix this. What's going on here? Let me see. Uh. There we go. I fixed it. Finally. I'm closing. Thank you for your hard work. Short is always informative. Yes. And we would love to go to a Miss Florida meetup too. Me. Matt in Brighton and she came in with 103 dollars and 15 cents Matt in Brighton. Oh, yes, Matt gave us an empty envelope During the meetup. Yeah, and this is he says is filling the empty envelope I gave Adam matter Brighton Thank you for your courage. Appreciate it cute. Mm-hmm Gregory McGregor in Madrid Espana $100 and one cent

2:05:31 Does he have a dad here? He's got some two-year-old son former jingle for all you want to get ways karma for his wife We'll put that at the end for yes for sure a shout out to all producers in Spain Donald Goguen 99 99 newsletter called donation father's day no Dame bang bang ah yes my smoking hot husband sir dh slammer happy father's day and a happy birthday on June 20 he's one of the guys who monitors the newsletter and word shows up in what mailbox mm-hmm and so he comes with this last one it came in the last mail mailing was weird because

2:06:10 He came in and said it went to the regular box. And there was a lot of kickback, a lot of auto replies. When there's more than three of those, I know that the newsletter went out. Ah, okay, he's a canary in the coal mine. He's one of them. Every single other monitor I have, there's about five or six of them, they all said it went into promotions. The total of the thing is completely baffling. He says, I wish my smoking out husband, Sir DH Slammer, a happy Father's Day and a happy birthday on June 18th. I think we congratulated him on the last show for that as well. Here are some boobs for your special day, which he's saying to Sir DH Slammer, not to us, sadly. Love you, mean it. Love you, mean it. Can I get a boobs ballpark jingle and some gold karma?

2:06:58 Do we? She's the Baroness of the Central California Coast. Yeah, what? Wine growing. Boobs, boobs, ballpark. I don't know. Let me see. Grant Convey 8008 for my dad, Ron. George Kunath, 70. His wish is that a happy Father's Day. Trevor Naismith, the inventor of basketball. Douchebag call out for uncle. Uncle Bobber or Bobber? You've been listening for years at some value for value the show got you through enough multiple deployments NK wait hold NK a WTG n no karma karma and with TG n and will karma and

2:07:52 I don't know. We should know this. We should know this. I don't know what... We'll figure it out. Eric Spunseller, 6666 Black Knight... Was he the Black... No. Black Knight of the Sir Lyman of the Net Raleigh Hawk. Yes. Anna Illinois 6611. James Durante 6161. And he wishes us a happy Father's Day and to his dad, Happy Father's Day, Dad, to my dad, John, and to myself, ITM. Yes, thank you. Sir Daddycast, 6160. He wishes a happy Father's Day to Crackpot, Buzzkill, and the producers, Pops. David Ritchie, 6133, happy Father's Day everyone. Show 1139 was outstanding. When was 1139? We've had this feedback before in 1139.

2:08:49 Ryan Brady, $58 from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in honor of his late father. He'd like to have loved listening to you guys. Miguel Lopez in Flanders, New Jersey, 56, 78. Happy Father's Day to my dad, Tony Lopez. 1139 was your interview show. Oh. Lee Scarbeck in Springfield, Pennsylvania, 5510, for my dad Jimmy. Now we got a lot of dads. I think we were kind of off there. A lot of people love their dads. Yeah, well, I'm sorry I said otherwise. Sir Milkman, the 5150, our dear grandpa passed away two weeks ago. He's a loving father and stepfather to our dad.

2:09:35 Sir Patrick Coble there in Murfreesboro, 51 or nearby, 5136. Happy Father's Day to my dad and to all the producers that are dads too. Some travel karma as I head back from the London meetup. What a great group of people and I think they will be doing it again. It was more difficult It was a more difficult task to pay for almost everyone's tab. Oh shit. Did Patrick wind up paying for everybody? That's what it sounds like. And he does that. He has this guy, he is a true gem of a human resource.

2:10:13 What a great guy, the Earl of Tennessee, Sir Patrick Coble. Thank you so much. Yeah, he's quite entertaining to talk to. I was able to treat a lot of people with drinks, which was fun. Thank you both for everything you do for this community after going to now four different meetups, Nashville, Sacramento, Train Museum, Des Moines and London. It is clear you are all building a community of similar thinking people that may not all agree, but can deconstruct news and have different opinions without getting upset. That's correct. Matthew Smith, $51 in the UK. Sir Jackson in Leveland, Texas, 50-50. I'd like to do a Father's Day call out for my dad, Dan Butler, my grandpa, Harold, Harold Corder, and my father-in-law Santos. Karma for all the fathers out there. We'll put that at the end.

2:11:06 John Camp in Antlers, Oklahoma, 50. The following people are $50 donors, name and location if possible. Sir Jackson was in Level in Texas. John Camp is in Antlers, Oklahoma. Serena, I'm thinking. Catantonia, 50, parts unknown. Dame Beth. Dame Karen Selsor to Sir Bradley Selsor, best dad in the universe from Dame Karen. John Holler in Missoula, Montana. Keith Yarborough in Austin, Texas. Pate Snakes in Amsterdam. Sir Pate. Sir Pate. Sir Pate.

2:11:46 Sir Chris Lewinsky for that matter in Sherwood, Alberta, once the richest place in Canada. And last but not least, Oliver Reich in South San Francisco, California, who should come to one of our meetings when we do them around here. Let's see what else we have here. We have a Father's Day call from Melissa to her best dad's, my best dad's I know, my smoking hot best boyfriend, Mark Stewart. We have a birthday from one guy. Let's see we get we have Matt Matthew funk I think he's saying happy Father's Day to Bob funk and Bakersfield Lisa Stelter happy Father's Day to Paul from Lisa Amelia's and Sammy and our soon-to-be new human resource Olivia and let me scroll down I think that's what we have yeah one of one of our producers sent me an email and

2:12:40 And, oh I wish, let me see if I could find this. It was a happy dad, a happy father's day card from his 15 year old and it said, and he sent me a picture of it, it says, happy birthday to the best dad in the universe according to the Mueller report. Now that's a cool kid. I like that a lot, it's very funny. Well, that's it then. That's our group of well-wishers and Father's Day greeters. There'll be some carryover in the next show on Thursday. I'm sure there's a few people who came in late with some well wishes for their father and we'll put that on the next show. So just stay tuned. You will not be forgotten. Yeah, all of the donations and support of the show were always appreciated. And I think it is pretty clear that the producers love dads more than moms. I can't help it. It's just what it is.

2:13:35 I'm having to agree with you. It's what it seems to be. We of course moms always get them. Yeah, that was good. That was good gypped. I know poor moms. It gypped. We do appreciate everyone's support of the show including those under $50 which is often for reasons of anonymity. We did a couple of them today because they specifically called out their dads for Happy Father's Day and Happy Father's Day to you John might as well just say that while we're happy Father's Day to you. Thank you very much. And Oh good news. Podcastlicense.com seems to be resolved. I think that we're getting that back up and running. So those of you who have a boarding pass, that should be working again and I should be able to work on the backlog to get some of those boarding passes set up. If you don't know exactly what we're talking about, there's many ways to support the show. If you want to find out all the different ways, you can go to devorak.org slash N-A-V-O-R-A-K.

2:14:27 Then find out everything you need to know about it. We'll have another show on Thursday coming to you from Portugal at least half of the show and as requested we need a couple of karmas. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. It's your birthday, birthday! On Noir Channel! Yeah, we really only have two. Today is the 16th of June, 2019. Wow, Alvaz turns 33 tomorrow, the magic number. And we might as well say happy birthday again to Sir DH Slammer, who will be celebrating on the 18th of June. Happy birthday from us and everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. It's your birthday, yeah!

2:15:18 Come gather round, douchebags, reducers and slaves As we all thank your brothers and sisters who gave And some of them nights, some of them days Two title changes on deck today and that is often because of the upgrade in status with another thousand dollars support of the show. Sir John the Brewer now becomes Sir Rocket Man, Baron of the Bay. Congratulations. Sir Dave becomes Viscount of America's Heartland and Saudi Arabia. And thank you also for your support. A quick list of our look at our meetups.

2:16:01 Now, this just came in, I don't think it's listed yet on noagendameetup.com. By the way, is there... is it just me or are we missing a place on noagendameetups.com to add a report and photos of how it went? Seems like that's something that should... that belongs there, don't you think? Should be able to upload the picture. Yeah, well ask Mimi if she can talk to the team over at noagendameetups.com. So June 28th, that'll be next, what is it, next week, Salem, Oregon, that's Friday the 28th, local 33 South,

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2:17:30 They have the best podcasts for 2019. Podcasts offer you a great way to pass the time, whether you're commuting, working or relaxing. Check out our staff's 64 favorite podcasts in eight categories. And we're not listed anywhere. No, of course not. Now, I would, if you notice, the author of that article leaves his email address there. And all the email addresses for everybody at PC Magazine is the same as first name underline last name. Ben Moore. Ben Moore. Yes, Ben Moore. Ben Moore or something. He's a kid. Looks like he's a young millennial. Probably never heard of us ever. And yeah, just write him a note saying, hey, you know, you should maybe write him maybe a couple notes. Well, they actually say it actually says right here in the in the article, it says

2:18:25 Our collection is just a small sampling of podcasts, though there are certainly many more quality ones out there. If your favorite is not on the list, let us know in the comments. Yeah, well you should do that too. And cinnamon. I guarantee that they will ignore the comments. There's one comment. Nobody reads this magazine anymore. Sorry. There's one comment from Kevlar Editor. Kevlar Editor. The No Agenda Show should be on this list. There you go. That's the No Agenda Nation. Thank you guys. We get no respect. Well, yeah. Well, it's mostly, you know, the problem is that these, these podcasts, bullcrap podcasts, the ones that are largely repurposed NPR shows is not a podcast. Yeah. Michael Savage is actually doing a podcast. He's been kind of kicked off the air for some reason. It started with WABC in New York. I got kicked off by Ben, Ben Shapiro.

2:19:27 Shapiro, yeah, has taken over. Shapiro's a neocon, pretty much, a Trump-hating neocon who just puts up with Trump so he doesn't get hate mail. And it's really seriously. It's the only reason he does it. And if you remember, he's the one who did the setup with the Lewinsky. They got Lewinsky fired where that girl was manhandled by Lewandowski or whatever. Lewandowski is his name. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Oh, you're hurting me! And then you watch the video and you can see nothing came of it. It was bull crap. And then, you know, she tweeted a picture of her wrist was bruised.

2:20:04 Yeah, and then yeah, you make up will do that by the way. Good makeup, you know how you do use makeup, you can make anything look bruised. So you got a picture and so Shapiro got all bent out of shape and because Breitbart knew this was a scam or bull crap. And so he got bent out of shape and said, Oh my God, I'm quitting. I'm quitting Breitbart. I'm going to go. We're going to start our own magazine. And he was obviously in the works, the daily caller. Ah, yes, yes. He went over there and that's where he created his podcast, which became a radio show. And I'm not going to say he's not a decent broadcaster. I mean, he's, he's not the best I've ever heard, but he's, he's professional enough that he can do it.

2:20:45 And, but he's still a Trump, you know, he was a Trump hater all along. And now he relents, he relents because what's his choice? He's got no other choice. He's got to fall in line with one of these Democrats are no good. So, but he's a neo-con of sorts. And I don't trust him. You know, the Keeper used to listen to him a lot and she actually kind of got turned off by his transitions to ads. She said it's so jarring. It's so jarring. That's where his professionalism lacks. He cannot move into the bad beats. He can't even seg. I mean his segways are so dorky.

2:21:28 Dorm dorky and then it's a before you know like what is this? It's just yelling at you with an ad apparently I think she stopped listening because of that because of the odd The yeah, just jarring. She said jarring it is jarring. He's not good at that It's just a that's a certain skill that he doesn't have but but he clearly has an audience of hot chicks and Maybe. No, I'm pretty sure. For some reason, some women consider him to be a handsome fast talker. There you go. Quick on the draw. He's definitely a guy you wouldn't want to get into an argument with because he is a quick witted, very quick. Let's see. Oh, yes, I've been holding on to this for a bit here. Let's see. We have some Green New Deal stuff. What did I? Oh, yeah. California.

2:22:28 It's very interesting. Uberalas! Yeah, you know California is now trying to, and there's reasons for this, is trying to cement into the psyche that hydropower, i.e. water, is not renewable energy. They don't want it to count as renewable energy. Where I think it's just like sun and wind, isn't it kind of the definition of renewable energy? Yeah, you put a dam up, it fills up, water goes through the dam and creates electricity, it rains, fills the dam up, goes through, yeah, it's very renewable.

2:23:11 So the... How is it less renewable than sunshine? Well, here's where it becomes important. I'm sorry, important. It becomes important where they have targets to hit. By 2030, 60% of all electricity in California needs to come from renewable sources. So does this mean that they're trying to get more money into wind and solar and say, oh no no that doesn't count, you can't say that that's part of our 60%? More money into wind and solar! Whereas I think hydropower is without question very effective. Well they've been taking some dams out.

2:23:51 No, brother. And they did that in Washington State too. They screwed up some area. Why? Why are they taking the dams out? The fish. The fish are having trouble getting upstream. Oh, the fish. Well, here's the doofus of the week clip from Trudeau. your Candanavian PM. This is virtue signaling gone wrong where he is asked about what he's really doing to conserve and to be a part of, you know, not ruining the environment. What do you and your family do to cut back on plastics?

2:24:28 We have recently switched to drinking water bottles out of water, out of when we have water bottles, out of plastic, sorry, away from plastic towards paper, like drink box water bottles sort of things. There's a number... What? Drink box water bottles type of things. You want to hear that one again? Because it's so good. It's a beauty. What do you and your family do to cut back on plastics? We have recently switched to drinking water bottles out of water, out of when we have water bottles, out of plastic, sorry, away from plastic towards paper.

2:25:21 Like drink box water bottles sort of things there's Drink box water. Can I have a drinks box water bottle thing kind of for him, please? Hey, we don't use plastic. We're good. We're good for the environment. That's virtue signaling gone wrong ladies and gentlemen. Well, it's an epic fail. Yes. Drew, what name would show me a picture of one of these drink box water thingies? So the FCC is is working on some tactics here regarding 5G, which is probably worth looking at. Now we know that as 5G rolls out, there's a whole bunch of issues with where we're going to place, where we, where the microwave transmitters are going to be placed. And already we have municipalities or

2:26:20 And when it's passing laws, they want to make sure that, you know, there's not too much money can be spent. And the networks are looking for ways, easy ways, to pay people with properties to Put up antennas basically and there's an there's an acronym for it. It's OTARD which I like a lot. OTARD everybody. It turns out the Federal Communications Commission, the FCC, has an old rule called the OTARD rule which stands for over-the-air reception device. The rule was adopted as part of the 1996 Telecommunications Act. And it prohibits any local authority or private landlord from restricting the right of homeowners or tenants to install a satellite dish or other antenna to receive video signals. Back in 2002, in response to the fast-growing Internet, the FCC changed the wording of this rule to include transmitting antennas as well as receiving antennas. But even then, the antenna had to be primarily for use by the tenant or homeowner.

2:27:21 The OTARD rule has never, ever applied to transmitting antennas intended to send signals to other people in the neighborhood until now. The FCC has quietly proposed a change in the OTARD rule that would cover what they call hubs. This would allow any homeowner to have a 5G wireless antenna installed on his property and, according to the FCC, empower consumers to help bring competitive wireless broadband to their communities by hosting hub sites. Since the antennas will be on private property, there will be no hearing, no notice, no opportunity to object. You might not even know about it unless, of course, you had a meter to measure the radiation.

2:28:03 So this is concerning that your neighbor can now put one, well, when the rule changes, your neighbor could put up a hub and be... Stop the rule. Sorry? Stop the rule. Yeah, but they're all for the rule. It's a dumb rule. Now, let's start, this is now, I'm very irked about this, by the way. I thought you, I'm glad you are. So do you so I have one of these 5g repeaters in my roof? Yeah, the beam down on my Neighbors that say yes to fry the paint. Yes. Yeah, you'll get paid so much I don't know yet, but I'm sure handsomely I know you get paid handsomely if you have a giant cell tower with a whole bunch of antennas and radios on the you've seen this there's a bookstore if one of the most famous bookstores in Detroit and

2:28:57 that is an old used bookstore that's like six, seven stories high of all the maybe taller of just a fantastic collection of old books. And as everyone in Detroit knows this place is very famous. And I've always wondered how they ever make a living it. Cause all the good old bookstores like Holmes in Oakland, for example, have been shut down because they really, you know, nobody buys books. Nobody gives a shit. But then I saw on the roof, they have a huge antenna array. They're making all their money, uh, you know, by selling their roof to the cell phone guys and they make a lot of money. I think you get paid a fortune for having one of these towers, like 10 grand a month. Oh really? Oh, that's pretty damn good. And there was a number floating around, I can't remember it, but if you're going to put this thing in your house and you're going to be sitting there as a stool pigeon stupid transmitter, you better get paid a grand or two. Yeah. They can't afford it. But regardless,

2:29:54 You'll be called an otard. I just like the name. I just like we got all kinds of tards And I'm happy that we know if you're all this is just a new no agenda rule if you're all in on 5g You're an otard I advise people, I have one of these, getting some of these signal processing, little device, handheld devices. You should have two of them. You should have one that does radio frequency and it can sense all these frequencies around so you can see if you got a... You have a spectrum analyzer? What do you have? Yes, exactly. Which one? I want to know what you have so we can offer these. I have to go, I kind of lost it in the house.

2:30:34 Oh, it's on. Don't worry. It's under some recipes somewhere. It's around. The other one is everyone. I was looking at this because I was watching some guy floating around in one of his YouTube videos with his little Geiger counter and he's had the brand. He showed the Geiger counter and I looked up the brands. It is Geiger counter costs like a thousand dollars. It's a little expensive. I started looking into Amazon for Geiger counters and there's some pretty cheap Geiger counters you can get. that are apparently are quite good. But what does it respond to? It responds to plutonium or uranium or any radiation? I have one of those old school World War II yellow ones. Yeah, those are great. Does it have the probe or not? It probably doesn't have a little probe. It does have a probe. Oh. Well, that probably still works because it's a Geiger tube.

2:31:23 which is what the probe is. But you can buy these little Geiger tubes and you can put one on your phone and it works with like I think Apple has some software so you can put the Geiger tube on your on your Apple phone and then you can turn it on and run a software. Oh, but you should have one of these. We should sell them. Radiation sneaking around. Yes, OTAR detectors. Well, this wouldn't be for OTARDS. That's the other thing. You need the RF frequency analyzer for that. Oh, okay. But there's the devices. Everyone should have a couple of these. You should have two of these devices. You should have an RF frequency analyzer and you should have a handheld Geiger counter. And you should just check stuff. You don't know. Everybody needs one. Listen up, people. You need one of these. Frequency analyzer, spectrum analyzer, and a Geiger counter. Geiger counter. How can you live without it? We should be selling iodine.

2:32:13 Just a thought. Well, I don't know about that. I'm not getting that far off the topic. Well, let's take a look. Here's a couple of dumb stories. Oh, no, let's go back to politics. So this is a classic and this is two people presenting the story. This is, this is just killing me. Kellyanne Conway and the Hatch Act. I got two clips. Let's start with the PBS version. Okay. The White House today dismissed a call to fire presidential aide Kellyanne Conway. The U.S. Office of Special Counsel, unrelated to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office, said that Conway repeatedly violated the Hatch Act.

2:32:54 a law that limits political activity by government employees. The independent agency cited Conway's criticism of Democratic presidential candidates. It also quoted her as saying, if you're trying to silence me through the Hatch Act, it's not going to work. The White House condemned the finding as deeply flawed. So the hat check is designed to keep people, you know, your president from taking everybody in the White House and having them do calls, phone calls to get money. I mean, that's pretty much what the thing was designed for. Kellyanne goes out and she says, yeah, this guy's an idiot. Oh, that's that's political. That's political. She says it's not really political. It's a comment and it's probably accurate. But let's hear it, because democracy now takes it to the next level and they really slammer. A federal watchdog recommended Thursday Kellyanne Conway be removed from her post as White House counselor for violating the Hatch Act, a law barring federal employees from engaging in political activity as part of their official duties.

2:33:55 In a report submitted to President Trump, the Office of Special Counsel called Conway a repeat offender, saying she's repeatedly used TV appearances and social media to disparage Democratic presidential candidates. Among Conway's ethics violations, she twice violated the Hatch Act by endorsing Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore while speaking in her official capacity for the White House. In early 2017, Conway used an appearance on Fox & Friends to promote the Ivanka Trump clothing line sold by the president's daughter. Go buy Ivanka's stuff, is what I would say. I'm going to get—I hate shopping. I'm going to go get some on myself today. It's a wonderful line. I own some of it. I fully—I'm going to just give it—I'm going to give a free commercial here. Go buy it today, everybody. You can find it online. Legal experts say the Office of Special Counsel does not have the authority to discipline Conway, and President Trump can simply ignore the agency's recommendation.

2:34:47 That's what she did. So how does her saying, hey, Ivanka Trump makes some nice clothes, go buy it? How is that political? I'm asking you. Well, I'm confused about something else. about this constant, it's not Robert Mueller. But on one hand it was Democracy Now!, was this is the special counsel's office, but in the PBS it was, whoa, this is PBS? The White House today dismissed a call to fire presidential aide Kellyanne Conway. The US Office of Special Counsel, unrelated to special counsel Robert Mueller's office.

2:35:28 The US Office of Special Counsel, I'm not familiar with the US Office of Special Counsel. What is that? I don't know, but apparently they're busybodies. They have no power and they make all these edicts. And why don't they do it with all the press? I mean, it's like, this is bullcrap. I mean, it's the worst kind of bullcrap. They're just grasping at straws. They're doing the same thing with this clip here. This is, unfortunately, I wrote it, Trump is R-E-U. Because M.O., Rumo, Rumo violates election laws. Way to go. The head of the Federal Elections Commission warned Thursday that candidates for public office are prohibited by law from receiving help from a foreign government. The warning was a clear rebuke to President Trump after he told ABC's George Stephanopoulos this week that he might accept dirt on political rivals from foreign actors in the 2020 election.

2:36:21 your campaign this time around if foreigners, if Russia, if China, if someone else offers you information on an opponent should they accept it or should they call the FBI? I think maybe you do both. I think you might want to listen. I don't, there's nothing wrong with listening. If somebody called From a country, Norway. We have information on your opponent. Oh, I think I'd want to hear it. You want that kind of interference in our elections? It's not an interference. They have information. I think I'd take it. In a statement posted online one day after Trump's remarks aired on ABC, FEC Chair Ellen Weintraub said, Let me make something 100 percent clear to the American public and anyone running for public office. It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept or receive anything of value from a

2:37:05 foreign national in connection with the U.S. election. This is not a novel concept," she wrote. All right. I really want to know what Norway knows, because these things don't come out of just nowhere. The United States Office of Special Counsel is a permanent, independent federal investigative and prosecutorial agency whose basic legislative authority comes from four federal statutes, the Civil Service Reform Act, the Whistleblower Protection Act, the Hatch Act, and the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act. OSC's primary mission is the safeguarding of the merit system in federal employment by protecting employees and applicants from prohibited personnel practices.

2:37:50 So they should have actually gone to Kellyanne Conway and said, hey, you should not be doing this. Instead, they go to the media, I guess is what I'm seeing. Well, if you reread what you just read, which is the prosecutorial aspect of it, why don't they indict her? Why don't they prosecute her? It's if they're prosecutorial, which is what it said that what you read. Yes. Well, this is Wikipedia. So who knows? The hat could be wrong, but generally speaking with this sort of thing, they're not wrong. So if that's the case, why? And because everyone disclaims as well, he doesn't have to do anything. He doesn't have to do anything. Well, why don't they do it? Well, hold on. There's some exemptions here. The Hatch Act of 1939, officially an act to prevent pernicious political activities.

2:38:35 is a United States federal law whose main provision prohibits employees in the executive branch of the federal government except the president, vice president, and certain designated high-level officials from engaging in some forms of political activity." So let's take a look at who these high-level officials could be. So what are the exemptions? Well, they wouldn't have made a fuss if Kellyanne was an exemption. The exemption has to be the vice president for sure. Well, it says vice president and certain designated high-level officials. Has anyone been prosecuted under this? Ever? This is a bull crap operation. This is a drinking club. There's a bunch of these little government agencies that do nothing more than, well, they got to, hey, we haven't done a report in five years. What are we going to do? So these employees who fall under the Hatch Act may not use official authority or influence to interfere with an election.

2:39:36 Geez, that's pretty broad. That has what's that to do with Ivanka Trump's dresses. Solicit or discourage political activity of anyone with business before their agency. Solicit or receive political contributions. Oh, there it is because she received some clothing. Be candidates for public office in partisan elections. Engage in political activities while on duty in government office wearing an official uniform using a government vehicle. It is bull crap. It's total bureaucrat. It's misogynist is what it is. Well in this case, yes, I agree. Completely misogynist. So, unfortunately Sarah Sanders is quitting. I do have a clip to announce that. Separately, President Trump announced that White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders is leaving at the end of the month. At a White House event, he called her a warrior. Sanders said she's going home to Arkansas to spend more time with her family.

2:40:34 This has been the honor of a lifetime, the opportunity of a lifetime. I couldn't be prouder to have had the opportunity to serve my country and particularly to work for this president. In the meantime, I'm going to continue to be one of the most outspoken and loyal supporters of the president and his agenda. Sanders worked on the Trump campaign, joined the White House staff, and took over as press secretary in mid-2017. Her tenure was marked by the end of regular media briefings and questions about her credibility. On the virtue signaling Twitter, it was quite discouraging to see fellow countrymen post such stuff as, I hope she never works again, that lying bitch! Jeez, people, leave her.

2:42:21 Yeah, you won't be the first to know so that's a lie. Lie! That would go down as a lie. Yeah. So if he really knows everything, the question I would have asked was, so did you ever see the birth certificate? That's the question I'd want to know. These guys aren't asking anything that we'd ask. There's probably a good reason for it. Yeah, that's why we're here. Doing a podcast. I'll give you one more then we got to go. It's time. Well, I actually have to, I need to put two in because one of them is a story. One's short, 26 seconds. Just to get it out of the way. This is the heat wave in India. So we know this is not being reported. Meanwhile, Indian officials are blaming an intense heat wave and drought for at least 36 deaths in some regions south of Mumbai, India.

2:43:14 Whole villages have been evacuated, with an estimated 90 percent of residents fleeing their homes in recent weeks due to searing drought and crop failures. On Monday, India's capital, Delhi, recorded an all-time high temperature of 48 degrees Celsius, nearly 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Wait, that was the whole report? That can't be the whole report. But because she didn't go on and on about global warming? Yeah, the climate crisis. Yeah, I know. She went in the next segment, she brought it up. Oh, okay. But it wasn't about this. I don't know why she didn't bring it up. It's actually baffling. Yes. And the lat... It's totally bad. I agree.

2:43:53 And the last clip is just to catch us up so we can keep up with this. It's the only, there's a lot of clips I can play, but this, we do have to keep up with China versus Hong Kong. This is the updates of 149, this long clip. Okay. After a week of protests, a concession from the head of Hong Kong's government. She announced the indefinite suspension of a controversial bill that would allow extraditions to mainland China. My relevant colleagues and I have made our best efforts But I have to admit that our explanation and communication work has not been sufficient or effective. The council will halt its work in relation to the bill until our work in communication, explanation and listening to opinions is completed. The move comes amid intense pressure from the streets. More than a million demonstrators last weekend, according to organizers, followed by another mass march on Wednesday.

2:44:51 That protest was marked by clashes with the police who fired off rubber bullets as well as tear gas. Opponents of the bill aren't satisfied with the government's announcement. They're maintaining a call to protest on Sunday. If this bill passes, it's definitely unfair to Hong Kong. We don't want postponement or more deliberation. It must be a withdrawal. We will definitely come out and stand our ground Sunday and tell them we won't retreat without withdrawal of the bill. A pro-democracy lawmaker also expressed disappointment. Criticizing Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam. Critics of the proposed law say it encroaches on Hong Kong's autonomy. China for its part,

2:45:51 It says it supports the decision to suspend the bill. One of our producers who is a Chinese Canadian American sent me a note, kind of a scathing note. He says, I'd like to get, and I called him on it, I said, you cannot bitch at us if you, if your boots on the ground or you're Chinese and you are reading stuff and you know what's happening, you need to tell us and not come out and bitch that we suck because we didn't get it right. Apparently this law stems from a case of failed extradition which set a murderer free. This guy chopped up his girlfriend, his pregnant girlfriend, cut her up into pieces and then stuffed her into his briefcase.

2:46:37 He escaped back to Hong Kong and so the Taiwanese failed to extradite him back to Taiwan for trial and so somehow this then led to this extradition order so they could pull people back from anywhere. But the Genesis was a brutal murderer and I think that we, us, US, probably took advantage of the situation and helped stoke these protests to make China look stupid. Of course, it's what we do. Yeah, and we did a damn good job. Now what was this murder took place in Taiwan? Yeah. Well, then what's it got to do with the mainland? Well, because they want to be able to extradite from anywhere. Well, we know what they want to do, but if it was Taiwan, why don't they just ship the guy back to Taiwan? Hey, I'm just reading the news our producers give us. I don't have the answers, but I'm pretty sure we were all up in arms and happy to stoke some of these protests and get everybody crazy. I still am. Yes, it's ongoing. It has not stopped yet.

2:47:38 We're good. It's the same way I feel about bringing Assange in under some screwball pretense. Exactly. And these million people, it's over a million people that are bitching and moaning in Hong Kong. They can't, well they're all wrong and this, you know, the Chinese are right and they're misunderstood. According to Lam, that's what she says, it's a failure to communicate. This is nonsense. Well, hopefully more of our producers will weigh in with more information, which we will gladly disseminate to you, or decimate as some would say, on the next episode. Which will be Thursday and I'll be in Portugal. John will be somewhere in Northern Silicon Valley. Waiting in line at Target. If you're listening to us on noagendastream.com, we've got Rhino the Bearded coming up next. And thanks to Jesse Coy Nelson, Tom Starkweather for the end of show mixes. Coming to you from the Titanic Hotel.

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2:49:36 We are dying now. These are the discussions that have to be happening right now! Well I heard a native had it and it made the news phony. Oreo cookies have a new study tonight. How can I sit around it consumes so much baloney? I got so used to getting news off the internet. So I threw my TV out cause it made me sick. Living on a deserted island might do the trick. Sometimes I wonder what I'd do I can't do? No agenda cures bad summertime blues! Operation Mockingbird plays agents in news stations. Anderson Cooper has three security guards all around him now. Propaganda's legal due to U.S. legislation. You're fenced for date, guys. So I called my congressman and he told me, quote, Shut your mouth, slave, and don't forget to vote. Sometimes I don't know what am I gonna do, But no agenda cures bad summer news.

2:50:40 And don't forget to show your love and donate or I'm gonna come and fight ya. Tensions rising in the Gulf following the tanker attack near Iran. The Islamic Republic of Iran is responsible for the attacks that occurred in the Gulf of Oman today. An attack that came exactly as Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe met with Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's Supreme Leader. If you actually look at domestic shale producer stocks yesterday, They all went up. The U.S. shale boom is insulating the U.S. economy and financial markets from events like this, which is really good news for the U.S. economy. This assessment is based on intelligence? Isn't that right, intelligence? That is affirmative. Yeah, it is inexcusably inaccurate to suggest that anyone lied about it.

2:51:37 The idea that we doctored such intelligence is completely and totally false. You talked about how sick you felt to your stomach when you found out there were no weapons of mass destruction. In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now. A rogue state with weapons of mass destruction. I wish we'd have found weapons of mass destruction. Bottom line, there were no weapons of mass destruction. They said there are weapons of mass destruction. I was against it. Of course there are things I would do differently and I actually have thought about that time.

2:52:11 There'd be more skepticism of the American Congress in the autumn of 2002. That war could not have been waged, at least not, at any rate, not on the basis of weapons of mass destruction. The one about the tubes that suggested, you know, when the Times published that story on the front page and, you know, with kind of a Welcome sign for Dick Cheney and Condi Rice to go on the Sunday show. The U.S. blamed Iran and will raise the issue in a United Nations Security Council meeting. These unprovoked attacks present a clear threat to international peace and security, a blatant assault on the freedom of navigation.

2:52:51 and an unacceptable campaign of escalating tension by Iran. I want to make the case for secrecy in government when it comes to the conduct of national security affairs and possibly for deception where that's appropriate. If I had to say something I knew was false to protect American national security, I would do it. Obviously, the war. in Iraq was a big fat mistake. All right? Well, Iran did do it and you know they did it because you saw the boat. I guess one of the mines didn't explode and it's probably got essentially Iran written all over it.