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00:00 They're in advertising and we're in advertising, and that's not fair. Meeting fine people on all sides and broadcasting live from the capital of Gitmo Nation East, London England. In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I remain and I am here admiring the double-decker buses. I'm John C DeVore. It's Crackpot & Buzzkill! You can't have double decker buses that's for us exclusively here in then the Gitmo nation east in the UK yeah well those days are over so you have double decker buses

00:44 San Francisco? No, San Francisco still has. And the reason they don't have them is because everything's electric or there's all-electric buses and double decker bus that can make that little suspension thing work I guess. So no it's in the East Bay AC transit, Alameda County Transit and they use the buses...I've seen a number of them yeah they use to go across the bay and get twice as many people on the bus or not twice as many but quite a few more So it's not for tourism, it's for actual transportation? Yeah. That's nice! It's about time... Well they got them here too in London They've had them there forever and this just amazes me how long it takes somebody else to figure out that is not a bad idea. Well they should do triple-deckers by now traffic here is unbelievable

01:39 It's gotten so bad. There is so much that has happened since I was last in the UK, like properly in the UK not just passing through there are buildings here that weren't here last time I checked it out When was the last time you checked it out? I'm trying to think how long ago was it when I actually was in London? It has been a long time John It's been maybe since a lot of weird looking buildings too. Well that I'm looking right at that pointy one. There goes the double-decker bus now down the freeway. Oh geez, is it red? No sorry Is it red no its green and white okay there's a big pointy building I gotta put my glasses on for a second. Wow, what an architect here we're getting in the review! I mean i used to know what that... What happened to the to the Gherkin? Did they tear that one down already? The big pickle yeah what happened to that one? I can't see it anywhere. Yeah, I think is still there Is it behind the big pointy one now? There must be five or six different buildings just no anyway My favorite was when looks like its falling over

02:42 Yeah, I can see that one from here. That's kind of weird. We chose this location specifically because it was in walking distance of the No Agenda London meetup we held yesterday Oh so you're in the Paddington area? I am just on the cusp of the Paddington area And here's the... Very multi-culti. Oh, extremely! Here is the best laid plan so we get this hotel I mean it is..I see on the map that its a four minute walk And of course I did not bring the smartphone and i'm hell-bent on even though you know, like oh You know should we don't we should have some Navigation capabilities. I'm like no No, I can map this out in the room and I can write down the directions It'll be fine four minutes. I swear to god it took us 15 It's The map skills they really do diminish over time if you don't keep them up Yeah

03:41 I went to that same place we had a... Yes, this is the Victoria in Paddington. Yeah, we went there and I walked. I know how to get there without it. And I didn't have a smartphone. We had a bunch of burners that we could use in the area. So I knew how to get there from the hotel and it was like you go down Main Street that goes past Victoria Station. You take a right then just keep walking and bang! You run right into this place. Right there exactly so...I left the event And I figured, well i'm just going to go back the way it came. And for some reason... I took the wrong street back and it was taking me off in the middle of... It's easy! I don't know where I was but I had to take a cab. Wasn't quite that bad

04:30 Yeah, so we arrived 7.30 a.m yesterday morning from our direct flight on Norwegian Air from Austin first time we took this I have to say very impressed by the budget airline Okay who fly if we need a report on this? Everyone's gonna be confronted with it. Yeah short short report This is now American Airlines slash British Airways has a daily flight from Austin to Heathrow And it's very expensive. No matter what class you're in, it's expensive. Norwegian competes with that. They're a budget airline and actually I think they are now the biggest airline from Europe to New York? That was kind of their first thing... This is the plane with the red nose In fact there call sign is even Red Nose and then the flight number. But no, not red nose! Yes because there are a lot of alcoholics in Norway Oh yeah, oh yeah. They're celebrating

05:27 So it's probably about 40% cheaper than British Airways. They fly the Dreamliner, the 787. Nice aircraft! I had not been on this yet and besides... Oh, I thought you had because you were raving about it before? No no that was the big airbus I flew on that But the Dreamliner is, besides it being a plastic plane which is not my favorite. Yeah I thought you were never gonna fly on one because its all plastic. Well I had to get here one way or the other. I can't afford... well British Airways is airbus usually too

06:07 But it was just, it's fantastic. I was very impressed that service and you know what? You don't get a lot of frills and you can order extra stuff on board and they don't have- They charge for everything my understanding is that they charge for everything Yes they do, they do. They charge for a blanket, they charge for water. Do they charge to go the bathroom No they don't charge... No they don't charge... What was it? Don't charge you to go to the bathroom no. I thought he had a coin operated door! No, no good try. I was misled by the staff at British Air. Well yeah you wonder why? Now i have to say the keeper has been really smart she is hell-bent and determined on letting everybody know that this is our honeymoon so

06:54 Right away in Norwegian air she says you know as we get our glass of water he said it's a honeymoon oh that's so great and yep lo and behold let us show up two little bottles of champagne well here these are for you take these this is it This is actually almost a traveling tip. And if we do, that's a great idea and the fact is that they did Norwegian air is notorious for not giving away exactly. And it was champagne. It was brute from sham from Champagne here wasn't Prosecco. Yeah. The little mini bottle. Well so then as we laugh like a couple of dilettantes well if two mid 50 year olds

07:34 can get away with it. You know, he's like yeah we're newlyweds there was no question you know there was no show me your papers please. That traveling chip is worth the price of a donation and it gets better so when here at the hotel... Of course when you arrive oh right I want to talk about the entry process into the UK something else I hadn't witnessed this is completely biometricized and automatised But it's better than we have. It's better than world entry You just walk up to the thing you shove your passport it registers your face takes a picture for all eternity So we can track you throughout the entire country, but you're done Yeah, that's pretty pretty fast no interview No, no nothing get your bag and walk through the green the Green Alley perfect so we take a cab to the tips yes So back to the tips there work in the air put to the hotel

08:30 And the hotel, of course. Obviously check-in is at... Check out is at noon, check in is at 2. It's 9 o'clock and we're here. So yeah, the keeper does it. Well this our honeymoon. Oh! This is great! We'll have some champagne for you While we're working on your room, you know this typically takes a lot longer but we're gonna work on it for you. And so we went out into Hyde Park and there was this window of two hours of really beautiful weather So we saw the Albert Memorial The Italian Gardens came back around 1130 Our room was already done Yes! We know You are newlyweds Your room is done This isn't almost three hours before they would have to have it done

09:14 We have our free champagne. You know, they do the nice love swan origami with the towels on the bed Have you ever seen this? No, but I can imagine it And it just works I mean, it's... we're gonna do it every single time. You can't go to the same places probably but this is a good... Wait a minute weren't you guys here last year? No never been here so this is yeah this is a great travel tip TSA in the US did something new to me though and as you know whenever I travel with Tina... Did she tell him that was your honeymoon?

09:53 Maybe that's what happened. So of course whenever I travel with Tina we both get pre-checked even though she's never registered etc so if i travel alone, even though I'm registered have a number I don't So we go through, yeah so this is pre-check you just throw your bags on I have to take laptops out. You know i've got the whole studio everything as usual. I take my Nokia my literal cell phone throw it in my jacket the jacket goes through and you go through the magnetometer because you don't go through the body scanner and the guy says let me see your uh let me see your phone

10:31 And I think he's like, this is a joke or something? Like...I can't go through the...I didn't take it. He said, I don't have my phone. He says, I saw you put it in your bag! I said, well....I was confused! I thought he was joking or.. Okay and so I get the Nokia and hand it to him and he looks at it kind of weird and then he swabs it and they were doing this for every other passenger This is new. I've never had the cell phone swab Well, there must be an alert ad or something. Or someone with a cell phone bomb! Well I... it makes a lot of sense if you want to know if someone has been in contact with any type of explosives the best way is to get something like their cell phone which would be handling and have up your face That's maybe that's it yeah secondary because you Yeah that's pretty smart Anyway so that what was

11:33 Let me see, do we have anything? Well then obviously then we have the meat of it. I've talked to these swabbers a number of times about what they're looking for and you know they got all these new tests and they check things out. And I forgot what...I got something checked recently that didn't make a lot of sense to me. Oh yeah, I brought it oh yeah, it's coming back from Austin from your wedding Yeah. ...and I brought a bunch of seasonings And they were all, they had to check. They've swabbed the crap out of my barbecue seasonings so it makes some sense stuff slightly explosive anyway. Yes out the other end but explosive nonetheless. Hey-o! No agenda meetups It's like a party

12:23 That's right, the no agenda meetup. Just a few words about our meetup at the Victoria and we'll be thanking people later on who gave on-the-spot donations I was very surprised. I didn't really know what to expect the whole thing was organized by the Earl of Tennessee Sir Patrick Coble who flew in from Berlin where he was doing some penetration testing. Actually I think he was doing a speech, he does speeches about penetration testing too yeah he's got good stories yes and just the big thanks to him and it's so interesting that you know our Earl from Tennessee is put this together and they were when we walked in just we're supposed to be from 6 to 9 30 we're more or less on time probably about five guys there including

13:18 Sir Patrick like oh, this is kind of cool. You know just we're chatting then John before you know it We had 50 people there It got really it was fun. We would just do a head count and he came up with fifty That's I didn't do I was unable to do an exact head count the the picture at the end of the evening Which never includes everybody? Was over 40 so yeah, I think we were at least 50 maybe a little bit more And and this was in my experience the most diverse group of people we've ever had. I mean white, black brown gay straight old young Tourette's autism Asperger conservative liberal everything was represented and much more I mean I was like wow this is like United Colors of Benetton a lot of dudes named Ben but also there were quite a number of women there of course Dame Isabel

14:18 who is our first female listener and she was I mean there are a lot of people who have been listening since episode 1 and universally this is what we heard from everybody. love this meetup I love meetups with no agenda people because i can speak frankly without having to be worried about overstepping triggering saying the wrong thing and but somebody with a stick up their ass but it's like here's what I heard from almost everybody. I can't say

14:57 say what I think at my work. I can't say what I think around my friends, I can't say what I think or my opinion at school with my family and people felt an incredible sense of community and by no means were these all KKK Nazi quadroon alt-right nut jobs! These are just you know we had multiple people who worked at the BBC My favorite has to be the gay magistrate from Manchester who by the way worked for Gove, Michael Gove and I said straight up. Did he ruin the education system in the UK? He said no, did you have to go and get his coke? No, so just a lot of good information

15:51 At a certain point, we're taking selfies and you know we're definitely rowdy. And we're taking over this place and it's packed! It is drizzling outside so it has this perfect London pub vibe And I'm taking some pictures with some of our producers and behind me there's a couple sitting in kind of a booth. They'd been sitting there for awhile, and I felt that I knocked something over as I backed up. And then like oh shit! I turned around...and it was just the menu. They look at me they say can we ask you question? I said, yeah. So we're from Florida and we just got here and we've never been to London... ...and we wanted to get a real feeling for a typical English pub

16:36 Who are you guys? What kind of club is this they could not figure out what we were about and I said, yes And who are you? Yeah. What yeah This is that I can appreciate that. I mean it's a non-standard here You created an on standard situation and they were brought into and they there baffled Yeah sure and of course said they were immediately hit in the mouth and I'm sure they're listening right now So plenty of stories and I'm sure we'll be talking about that in shows to come, and we have some donations that will talk about. Just while were on the topic at simultaneously we had the Oklahoma City meetup which was organized by Cassidy Eastwood and i just wanted to read her report

17:24 He says that there were about a dozen of us ranging from 24 years old to 70-ish. Sorry Jimmy, not sure of your age We even had a knight in our presence surprised and he surprised us with magic tricks I didn't know we had a magician We all fawned over his night ring People came from all over the state Even one drove up from Dallas The first question asked each arrival was How did you happen upon no agenda? The best response was given by Air Force John who was looking for podcast to listen to and did a search for best podcast Gee guess what the first result was the best podcast in the universe which is an accurate search it has been using Bing precisely

18:12 He also made a point to make his first donation, we all discussed religion politics education and the general state of the world at large over appetizers and cocktails. There were few strange looks from surrounding tables I greatly enjoyed talking to people whom I knew were open-minded. I could feel the serotonin releasing in my brain as i conversed with this group of lovely people One attendee even said and I quote, ''I love this because I know that no one here will judge me even if we disagree on something.'' And that is, again this is the constant observation from everybody who attends a No Agenda Meetup. And so we encourage more of those noagendameetups.com Alright! News from London Bojo has the mojo! Bo-Jo? Bo Jo Boris Johnson has the Mojo Ah Boris Johnson Oh I have a Boris Johnson clip from The Great Boris Johnson hater Okay

19:08 James O'Brien, let me just do a little background for people who don't listen to LBC. James O'Brien is this remainer he hates the Brits. He's really...he's a talk show guy who I think is one of the most skilled at making you look like an idiot if that's what he wants Because he, in fact he's so good at it. I think people who do his show are making a mistake they shouldn't do it this just boycott him

19:46 And he hates everybody. He hates Farage, he hates Boris Johnson but he's got the goods on Boris Johnson and it just minor goods that seems to me but the way he presents it with his over-his repetitious approach to slamming somebody slandering them is a gift and here we go. Boris Johnson is a man who has been fired from jobs for lying about quotes allegedly from his own grandfather, godfather I beg your pardon. Boris Johnson fired from the Times for making up quotes from his own godfather okay? Lied to party leaders lied to wives lied to mistresses went to court to try and stop you finding out about a little girl that he'd fathered out of wedlock He actually went to court so that YOU wouldn't find out about his appalling sexual incontinence

20:41 And I mean it when i say, because I used to go with... sort of conservative coffee mornings and things like that. I'd go with my mum sometimes, more of a social occasion and always had this begrudging suburban respect for that type of Tory, a shyer Tory because although i felt they were little bit immune to the suffering of others in some cases they did seem to subscribe to values values you could loosely describe as Christian, Christian conservatism And that would be absolutely outraged by the idea of a man going to court to stop you finding out that he'd fathered a little girl outside wedlock while lying to his... Come on, isn't that what Trump paid off Stormy Daniels for? I mean where's this guy the times have changed! ...his wives and lying to his mistresses, lying to his voters, lying to his employers, lying to his party leaders. Lying to his constituents, lying to his interviewers There is a recording of him that i'll play later in the program of him colluding with an now convicted criminal to get a journalist beaten up

21:42 Yes, you heard me correctly. It's on tape! Boris Johnson agreeing to help a former school friend from Eton to get hold of the address of a journalist because the former school friend from Eton wanted to have him battered So... You see what I mean? I just mention any one of those six seven eight transgressions and theoretically from where I sit that should be the end of it for a conservative leadership contender but it's not which, I think signals the end of any claim to moral high ground or morality from the Conservative Party. That's really interesting because he is the number one in the first round of voting by a large margin

22:27 Let's take a look at what a couple of deconstructs, a little bit about the way Brian does this. He definitely does not want to see Boris Johnson as the... actually probably does because it'd be great for his show. Right exactly A couple things once he starts off with this horrible misquoting Godfather or something and making up quotes, and he makes takes that to an extreme as that's some sort of a horrible thing To do maybe it was a misunderstanding is a million things said they could be They could explain it He uses the word colluding for a reason And then he says the way he has cheat because he says you lied to him in light of him alive in the Bible by goes on and on and On and then he says this which I thought was just typical of O'Brien

23:12 You could take any of these six, seven, eight transgressions and apply them to Trump. Well, he didn't say that but he's gonna take any of them and then you can understand what the conservatives have lost all their credibility because I'm these six seven or eight transgressions. What? Six seven or eight transgressions He mentioned two Two citations one misquoting his godfather and having a illegitimate child that he apparently went to court over And I don't know the details behind it, but I don't hear six seven or eight transcriptions This is a horrible person this this interviewer. This James O'Brien guy and I've listened to him fascinated by his skills He's a there's a horrible horrible guy miss 50 seconds left on the clip do we play that for? If there is yeah played you listen to this program on a regular basis It became inevitable

24:10 when they introduced base liars to the public life. As soon as Farage is allowed to speak unchallenged, undiluted lies and nonsense the Conservative Party is finished so when they chose to invite him onto their bus to get Brexit over-the-line that was the death knell for any claims in the Tory party to integrity or probity but for the very simple reason that if one liar goes unchallenged lies move into the mainstream. Which is how you have a man who conspired to have a journalist beaten up, who went to court to stop you finding out about his daughter born out of wedlock, whose lied to both of his wives all of his mistresses every constituent every employer every party leader every colleague every interviewer every journalist he's ever encountered He's not just lied to them

24:54 actively agitated to deceive them. Now it's an outrage I tell you, it was just scandalous! Scandalous! I guess he came up with three because he had this thing about beating up some guy... He had a couple more which I like to look into but that is besides the point of this so Johnson is being attacked by the left in And this guy is a representative of that. And I still wonder whether, you know he had his shot... He could have been the prime minister, a lot of people believe before Theresa May stepped in front of the line and took the job but I don't know if Johnson

25:34 I don't know. I have no idea what people think, do they think he's a good guy? Should be Prime Minister? Well as i said the main The Evening Standard which is edited by George Osborne remember George Osborne yeah he was the what was he was he Chancellor? I don't remember what he did so he edits The Evening Standard and that was the headline when we arrived was Bojo's got the mojo So and looking at the first round of voting I'm not quite sure how the whole system works, how many rounds there are but he had I think 114 and it was... Was it? Who's the Jeremy guy Hunt yeah. Yeah, I think he was number two. Yeah with 42 votes or whatever it is so I was prepping the show as I couldn't follow all of it But it'll be interesting to see there's a

26:35 There's a lot going on here. People at the meetup will say this is, you know we're completely effed They've kind of given up on it Well about to getting out of the how's the Brexit chit-chat? Is they gonna get out or not and I think universally people think do over is in the cards and then no brexit And I did want to mention I think I sent you a link to it The BBC had a two-hour or two part each part one hour documentary about which was filmed with permission from Guy Verhofstadt and he's the crazy gap tooth guy from the European Parliament. With that you know, Belgium used to be... Was he Belgian President Prime Minister? He was big wig in Belgium when they still had a government

27:24 and he allowed someone from a Belgian cameraman to shoot a documentary. And this is inside his office, the car, the train late at night all the swear words it actually made me wonder how much they didn't put in it and he didn't really disclose this to anybody who was around him at the time and he was the coordinator of the Brexit steering committee for you know these two-and-a-half years or two years And it's a fascinating look at the other side that we never really hear much about. Did you see this by any chance? No, I didn't have time to see it now. Ah! It is...I mean you can't watch it for sure now You can't really pull any clips from it but when at certain point you see that and they're in the European Parliament building in Brussels and they go to Strasbourg and you kind of get a little idea how that works and there's a lot of food

28:13 Where every single shot there's always food, they're eating, they're drinking. They do meetings and they drink wine at the meetings which is kind of a I think good thing But it's definitely verboten in the United States. Yeah, well the link is in the show notes It's well worth watching particularly get like the speech writers Who are then you know as it gets very close like yeah? Yeah We screwed him we we'd sent them back to being a colony they're all jacked up and giddy about it Yes, it's it's a cool thing. It's uh. It's fun to watch because we never get that side of it

28:49 And certainly not to that degree. Again, I wonder what wasn't put in it? I had a question for you though There was an article that the New York Times published headline That Google made 4.7 billion dollars from the news industry and Now it's time for the news industry to take it back. That wasn't the exact headline Did you follow any of this It's been debated a little bit and most people think it's bogus. Well, I thought it was scandalous that the New York Times... First of all they didn't really even disclose that this was in a news industry lobbying group that they're a part of which is what is it? News

29:40 It's the News Media Alliance who are lobbying for House Resolution 2054, the Journalism Competition and Preservation Act of 2019. That was nowhere to be found in their article Of course not. It's the New York Times, they don't let you know what they're up to anymore it's a horrible operation Well I'd like to know what your Lib Joes thought of this in particular the assertion made based on a comment from Marissa Meyer in 2008 where she offhandedly although it was I think an investor situation so it can be taken with some degree of certainty

30:20 that in 2008 Google News had made approximately a hundred million dollars from news and that was the whole quote. And they extrapolated that by adding 10 years to it and said, yeah looks like 4.7 billion is what we're not making and Google is stealing from us! Now they have this lobbying group it is a 501c4 and its lobbying for the passage of House Resolution, the Bill Journalism Competition and Preservation Act of 2019 which would allow all news publishers

30:58 Which, by the way we wouldn't qualify for because you have to have professional editors on payroll. You have to have at least a million people interacting with your website on a monthly basis otherwise... If you have that many people that you just described you don't need help from the government this is I know where this stems from Well let me just tell you what what the plan is they want 48 months so they went four years They want four years to have anti-trust, anti competition laws.

31:37 what is the word, not apply to the news industry so they can collude with each other over a four year period to find out how they can screw Google and Facebook back. That's in essence what it is. They want to be able to work together as a group and figure out how to get the money back. These are kind of idiots that are running their business First of all, this stems from the Canadians who decided to put a fund together and give the newspapers a bunch of free money. That's right! So they want to say well you know they're doing it up there they're getting free money we should do the same thing The second thing is is this nonsense about Yahoo and being extrapolated Yahoo is a news organization in a lot of ways one whole division They take the Associated Press feed They pay for it

32:28 They're not, they have writers that they pay money to. Yahoo Sports is very competitive it's probably as competitive as ZSPN or Sports Illustrated when it comes to print no doubt about that I'd like to interrupt your analysis because I want this to continue after I play these two clips which explain a little bit more about how they really feel about it So this is a bill that's called the Siciline Bill. Representative David Sicilline, here he explains briefly what the News Media Alliance is about with HR 2054 This is a really important issue for everyone in our country because we all recognize that our democracy is strongest when we have a free and diverse press that informs citizens holds concentrated power accountable and roots out corruption

33:21 As Justice Louis Brandeis wrote in 1927, those who won our independence believe that public discussion is a political duty. That the greatest threat to freedom is an uninformed citizenry and that the freedom of thought and speech are indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth. But today, as you all know these bedrock constitutional values are facing existential threats by news gatekeepers of information dominant platforms. Last year Facebook and Google amassed more than 60 billion dollars from online advertising the majority of online ad revenue and despite record levels of online readership news publishers have seen a steep decline in revenue during the rise of these technology giants

34:06 The bottleneck is bleeding news publishers dry and you see evidence all across this country. And in the absence of a competitive marketplace, newsrooms across the country are laying off reporters and editorial staff or folding altogether. This is happening to legacy news companies and digital publishers alike There is no question that we've reached a tipping point. And what's really important to remember is this not just ah, marketplace that's not working and providing an absence of competition where we're sort of losing the kind of sale of widgets. This about the very foundation of our democracy access to reliable trustworthy local news. If this trend continues,

34:45 permanently compromising the news organizations that are essential to uncovering corruption, holding the government and powerful corporations accountable and sustaining our democracy. Oh yes the old democracy what is never mentioned is that they never newspapers never made money off of news ever! And they blew it you were I think weren't you we when I both a part of the of the of the Newmark conversation? Yeah. With Hearst? No, it was not with Hearst wasn't there it was the publisher that was married to what's her name the actress. Yeah Sharon Stone

35:29 Yeah, what's his... Mr. Stone? Mr. Stone! Bronfman? Mr. Stone! Bronfman? Bronstein. Bronfman. No no no, Bronstein. You're thinking the guy who used to run Seagrams. Yeah isn't that the guy didn't wasn't he also married to Sharon Stone I think no i don't believe so it's possible So, Bronstein is in there telling the story. We will tell it again. You're right. Joe Bronstein I'm sorry yes yeah you think Phil Bronsteen. Yeah I'm wrong I'm wrong yes Bronstein. Bigger name okay so Bronstein's in there and he tells this story says that in the early days of The Net called The Net

36:15 Craig Newmark comes in, the guy who does Craigslist and it was in the 90s. Making money off of classifieds? It was making money off of classified locally and they were free classifieds and his whole theory was you just give away the class because a computer It's text, you know. It doesn't take a lot to store it and send it around. There is not a lot of overhead in terms of resources on the internet resources. And so his idea was to give free classifiers for everybody and then let people pay for job listings and things that are little more...that can actually bring some cash. He sort of reversed the whole model about how classifies work. So he goes in there

37:06 And talks to Bronstein, I guess. I don't know who else was at the meeting but he says he comes in and offers them the whole Craigslist model! Yeah for like two million dollars or something some ridiculously low amount. But if you set a figure it wasn't much now but he said...but he offered him the model and they said we know how to do classifieds We don't need your help ya dumb shit get out of here yep so they kicked him out pretty much i mean sure they didn't say that but there's something like that and this I've seen this happen in other situations. And I also saw it happen with classifieds when I was a fly on the wall at the Media Lab in Massachusetts, where they were, where Hearst Corporation was meeting with the media lab people to discuss something that true actually what it was anymore but something like that was brought up in that meeting too and there was the same kind of response you know we know what we're doing. Yeah had the same when I pitched before we were thinking new ideas as OnRamp we pitched Tribune

38:02 company in Chicago, you know that beautiful building they have there where the radio station was still down at the bottom of it's still there and we got laughed out of the building. We have a story server wasn't that thing? Story server what was it Gosh, what was that content management system? Vignette. Yes! Vignette story server. They're like you need classifieds we got an idea for that That's how you've been making... No no this is a new world We know how to make money off of news Well they never made money off of news It just it was always the classifieds That was the main thing Classified went away and that when the problem started But oh no now all of sudden its news I disagree with that

38:45 And I think that's a myth. And I think this comes up a lot and I think it came up in these clips that you have, the problem started with television and it started a long time ago. And you can look at the curves, the growth curves and everything else with the newspaper business. They don't like to talk about it now but that's where it started. Television came in with hourly reports of nightly news and all the Cronkite two Huntley and Brinkley, and those guys came in and they just started taking the impetus away from the newspapers who really had to compete with the television guys who were stealing a lot. Those are the guys that were stealing from television or I'm sorry they were stealing from newspapers if you worked at a radio station in the 50's or 60's everyone will say the same thing. We'd get the newspaper, we'd clip the articles that were interesting and run them as news.

39:37 Where was the lawsuits then? Where was the big stink now they got ripped off left and right during that. And they got, they started shrinking and shrinking to the point where it was all pre-internet is when they had something called a joint operating agreement which All the newspapers jumped in on when they gave this, this was the last time that they soaked the government. So they said let's take a joint op...let's make these joint operating agreements because especially because of television, the evening newspapers were all dying cause the evening newspaper was the one that you'd read at home or when you got home but once the evening news came on nobody was reading the evening newspapers

40:14 So they had to dream up this joint operating agreement locally. It was the San Francisco Examiner and the San Francisco Chronicle, and it was in Chicago and Detroit every place around the country did this. They joined forces because they needed to. And they kind of started emphasizing the morning paper more than shared. resources and shared profits. And that was the first idea, that was the first collusion that they needed to do. They were never competitive with it. They never could figure out how to do this right and they've been failing and failing and failing and continued to fail. When the internet came along and took their classifieds away, that just was the icing on the cake for just a demise of the whole operation because I couldn't figure out what...they're incompetent!

40:56 There's something that they do in the United Kingdom on television late night, so which would typically be our news time slot maybe 10 or 11 p.m.. I agree with this and I think you like it. I love this they sit down with two people It's a and these guests they vary sometimes it's an editor of a newspaper its politicians can be someone from show business and they go through all the papers that will be published in the morning. And they show, you know, the headlines and they have analysis and they talk about what's in the paper I think it's a...I've always thought that was fantastic is very engaging to watch! And of course if you don't have to buy the damn paper the next day Well if its done right and I think the Brits do it right I know most people United States can get these reports via Sky News on Pluto

41:49 Yeah, yeah. Yes exactly Sky News does it very well and they've been doing that for gosh But BBC does it too don't they don't they have a version of it on BBC or only sky? They probably do but I know Sky News is the one that impresses me the most and you have to remember Sky News was once part Of the Murdoch Empire, so they're not killing themselves when they're in Murdoch's mostly newspaper guy They would this was a form of promotion for the papers because they go on about something that might interest you And then the British and I think you might pick up the paper What makes it even British newspaper business is a lot different than ours what makes it even more interesting? Is that News Corp. Is heavily represented in this news media alliance and the only other clip I have is the short one from Tony Bush

42:35 She is the, what is she? She's the government affairs executive at News Corporation. What I think has been missing in the discussion up until recently is the fact that Google and Facebook are in the advertising business. Google made $135 billion last year off of advertising. Facebook made $56 billion off of advertising the entire digital advertising market is around $237 billion. So they've taken $195 billion out of it, which leaves around 30 billion for everybody else including the newspaper industry and that is really the crux of the problem that we're facing which is the system has broken, the antitrust laws have not been enforced

43:27 during the evolution of the tech platforms and we need to both investigate that but in the interim, we need a solution and the Cicilline bill is really that solution. Okay so we can collude with each other for two or four years? And come up with a way to screw them back? Not gonna happen! No these guys there's the dumbs versus the smarts And this nonsense that Google is, you know... You go to google. Go to google.news.com and you can see what good there's no which is not even an ad on that entire page. You mean news.google.com? What did I say? Google.news.com Let me see what that is. Oh no, you're right. News dot google dot com. Let's see if that is anything. Oh it goes straight to cnet.com That's funny Yeah news.com was owned by CNET They bought her right away Anyway the um

44:18 No, they don't run ads. They actually do not run advertising on the news that's something that Google is very vocal about. Ah we don't run ads on that! No, they make their money on search. If you're searching for some news story and you're on the page, you're going to get some ads and it's got nothing to do with taking revenue. These guys are shooting themselves in the foot just like what happened in Belgium or one European country. Remember this was about 10 years ago? They were all upset that Google is indexing them. indexing our paper and they're doing, they're making people link to us. Then there are people who are coming from these links so we don't like that because we don't have control of it. So we don't want Google linking to us anymore." So they stopped linking to him and then went out of business. Something I did not clip... They want the Googling dummy! Something i didn't clip but was part of

45:08 part of what they were talking about at this News Alliance panel was, well you know when you click on the story Google gets all the information. Well what are you in? Newspapers? Are you in the news business or are you in the information about people business so that you can turn it around and do something with that And they all fell for the whole AMP thing Remember that? AMP Yeah you gotta get Google AMP because then it loads faster and is fantastic And Google AMP means everything you do runs through Google You dipshits And they're like, yeah we're all on Google Amp. And they did the same thing when Facebook was like yeah we're all about news... I don't even remember this Google Amp! Yeah i think it's still used. Geez. Yeah it was amplify or something everyone said oh yeah because it preloads and it's compressed on both sides and thank you google and facebook you recall facebook said well changing the algo for news everyone oh yeah great and they change it back to friends and family like boo

46:05 Idiots. Accelerated mobile pages, that's what AMP stood for Thank you Troll Room Was this something for phones? Yeah, it was from mobile. For mobile to make everything faster on mobile. Well I looked at the most recent Mary Meeker Interstate of the Internet report which is 333 pages long this year. I'm glad she's doing some with her time! Everything is stagnated Revenue has not really dropped here and there Stagnant stagnant stagnant everything is kind of plateau-ing but mobile is now double desktop. It's just surpassed everything, which I'm sure a lot of people are happy about because we want these spy devices to be on your person at all times so we know exactly what you're doing That's the real juice they got not the news Well this has been predicted for years that mobile will take over most of the action on the internet

47:08 Okay, so right along with this I think we should do a quick little Call back to the ad pocalypse deconstruction that we did on the last episode which i think most people appreciated And I think, at least the feedback that I've been getting is huh. I really didn't look at it in just a pure commercial sense that these guys are in competition for the advertising dollars which is what you literally just heard from the entire news business. It's like they're in advertising and we're in advertising and that's not fair!

47:46 The CEO... I'm on time code for that. That's a new voice! It is a new voice, I have to work on him. Susan Wojcicki who is the CEO of YouTube in what I believe A crisis move showed up on Recode for a 45-minute interview, which is on YouTube. And Recode is owned by Vox. There are lot of Vox journos there and even the guy who was doing the interview I think he's...I don't know if he's just a Recode guy or if he's higher up in Vox

48:25 and talking about this adpocalypse, and I had to pull a couple of clips because it's so beautiful the things that are being said here. But the first thing... I think that we talked about this, it kind of got snowed under is the whole controversy over Crowder and Carlos Mbaza was about LGBTQ. And it was taking place during Pride Month and you know it's unbelievable during Pride Month someone said something horrible about a gay man on YouTube!

49:02 And this is the first thing out of her mouth. Oh, if I hadn't...I love those setups! Here we go. The first thing out of her mouth! A lot of things happened last week and it's great to be here and talk about what happened but i do want to start because I know that the decision that we made was very hurtful to the LGBTQ community That was not our intention at all. And should you set context for anyone who's not following this what decision this was? Yeah, so let me let me I'll go into that but um, I thought it was really important to be upfront about that and and to say that Was not our intention we're really sorry about that and but they do want to explain why we made the decision that we did As well as give information about the other launch that are you just heckling the clip or her what he took in? This

49:54 condescending valley girl up talk borderline vocal fry voice of hers is enough to drive anyone crazy. She's in her mid forties and this must be a milieu thing she just celebrated 20 years totally yes, she said 20 years at Google 20 years ago. She just celebrated two decades so it's milieu and that's how we talk going on So really there were two different things that happened At the same time And the first one I'll talk with is we made a really significant change involving hate speech Um, that this is something we the first one that I will. I'll talk with yeah, I know she does a lot of this stuff. I'll play it again Google Talk some gook talk. I mean, Google is that hyphenated goog talk or is it one word?

50:50 I think, well let's say goog. It has to be hyphenated. Goog talk. Two different things that happened at the same time and the first one i'll talk with is we made a really significant... I think she does a lot of this she wants to say something different like the first thing uh I will address with you or I don't know but her brain was behind her mouth or ahead who knows? This is something we had been working on for months. So I'll just preset this up, apparently it was a great coincidence that they had been working for months on new hate speech rules for their platform and on the very same day they launch it this controversy starts! It's...I mean it's just unbelievable

51:36 and we launched it on Wednesday of last week. This is a series of policy changes you've been rolling out for years? So, to just be clear with all... Yes so we've been making lots of different policy changes on YouTube and this past week we made a change in how we handle hate speech. And that took months and months of work and hundreds of people we had working on that. That was a very significant launch and really important one I love how they've clearly been able to come up with rules and she details them in a moment about hate speech something that legally cannot even be done but yeah okay. And what we did without launch is we made a couple big changes one of them was

52:19 make it so that if there's a video that alleges some race or religion or gender, protected group is superior in some way and uses that to justify discrimination or exclusion. That would now no longer be allowed on our platform. Similarly if you had a religion or race and they allege that inferiority that another group was inferior and they use that to justify discrimination in one way. Those were the changes that we made. Yeah, so I can't say hey yeah the 49ers stink! They're inferior to the Raiders

53:01 I think you're very... So sports talk is now eliminated from YouTube? I think you're very close. Here she expands on these regs Examples would be like race X is superior to Y and therefore Y should be segregated Okay, that sounds clear to me! I'm all good If your X or Y then you are in trouble This is literally her example. Examples would be like race X is superior to Y and therefore Y should be segregated. I can see the Googers, I can see them on the whiteboard okay here's race x and race y we do the root square root of that these guys everything's mathematics to them everything they even hate speech

53:44 Oh, we got a formula for that. Which country has very strong hate speech laws? She's refer... I know what she is referring to. She is referring to Germany's, uh... You can't talk Nazi stuff. Yes! Can have a swastika And there are some in the UK There are some of that in the UK

54:22 But I don't know about very strong, but okay. This country this a lot of this kind had never been allowed in those countries but it had actually been allowed in the US and you know many other countries and so what we had actually done with that a few years ago is we had actually Had limited features So what she's saying Actually Is that they actually already had these limitation features on hate speech Actually And they had actually made that less restrictive in the u.s.. All they have to do was flip a switch apparently apparently. Meaning that it wasn't in the recommendations, it wasn't monetized or had an interstitial in front of it to say that this was content we found offensive and when we did that we actually reduced the views by 80%. It's interesting what she is saying here is the way they have their system already working actually is they would not put an ad in front

55:13 They would maybe even put an interstitial, which would actually mean a warning. And what they would do is they would reduce its viewership or its surfacing as a recommendation by up to 80%. Notice not 100% not kicking you off why? Because she does want people to view you your video and click on other things where they can make Advertising money, and that is explained in a moment but another example found that it was effective But we really wanted to take this additional step And we made this step on Wednesday We also added which is really important a few other partner definitions I had two protective groups so we added cast because YouTube has become So significant in India and then we also added victims of

55:57 verified violent events. So like saying the Holocaust didn't happen or Sandy Hook didn't have it also became violations of our policies and so this was happening on Wednesday, and we launched it on Wednesday. So how about that? Just as an example you can't say no one got hurt at Sandy Hook because that's...you know if people got hurt during a big massive event then you can't deny that That's very interesting that that's the tech they've chosen. And the reason why is of course apparent in this one When we look at these accounts there are many different components that we look at If I were to do it again, I would put it all into one... Do it in one go? Yeah! We're not going to help you make money on YouTube We're suspending monetization Meaning, we're not gonna run ads against your stuff if you still want to sell racist coffee mugs or whatever you're selling

56:48 That's your business, but we're not gonna help you. We're not gonna put an ad in front of yourself So what she's explaining here is why they will demonetize But will not kick somebody off mugs or whatever You're selling that's your business, but we're not going to help you we're not gonna put an ad in front of yourself Well, we said we're not going to put an ad in front of it, but the conditions by which we make will turn it on can be broader than just that. So for example if they're selling merchandise and linking off of YouTube and that is... See what she's saying is if you're making money outside of us yeah we really don't want to view do that so we're gonna kind of demonetize you but if you stop doing that

57:32 And this is just a mug that they're referencing. I don't think it was a racist mug, was it? Was it a racist mug? I don't think so! It's just some mug from plugging that guy Crowder or whatever his name is... Right, right. So this is a commercial decision which I understand. She finishes up 20 seconds She never mentions what the higher standard is.

58:15 because we all know what it is, brand safe. That's your higher standard? Yes this is something we've been harping on now I should mention that I don't know why this was a surprise to anybody if anyone has experience with Google AdSense in the early days mm-hmm Google was very adamant about how these things are gonna be placed they didn't want competition they don't like the idea so they don't want you doing anything that would interfere with their Streams, their financial streams come in there. They don't want you kind of latching on to somehow and piggybacking on and making money on your own without them being in the middle that's all got to go through them. Yes every sub it's just a style. People won't have to go along with it. There's alternatives but nobody wants You know YouTube is set up to make it easy for everybody to put their videos there so an assertion happens by the way if YouTube just folds into all the videos go away

59:15 How would the world be different? And how would people react to that, I wonder. Well an assertion that we... My videos! An assertion that we came up with is that these Celebrity YouTubers are insignificant to their business. Insignificant to their business in regards to the actual revenue so yeah well she's going to tell you how insignificant what percentage do you think are of their entire, well she doesn't necessarily say revenue but of all the videos that are monetized by Google what percentage do you think is big and problematic or just problematic because they're big?

1:00:02 Probably mean they're too big to fail? No, the ones that like Crowder and Joe Rogan or Alex Jones or anyone who's... Or Laura Loomer. Or Laura Southern. Any of these people who think they're really important What percentage of YouTube's actual business is that? 1% or less I can't fathom why there are 8 million pieces of terrible things coming onto your site on a quarterly basis But then that would really upset me and worry me Well, it matters what's the denominator. You gave the numerator right? And so we have a large denominator meaning we have lots of content that is uploaded and lots of users and lots of really good content. When we look at it all the news and concerns in stories has been about this fractional 1%.

1:00:54 If you talk about the other 99 point whatever that number is, like that's all really valuable content of people who are sharing valuable points of view that we haven't heard about. Educational content addressing really important issues and so I think it's important to remember that and put that in perspective. And, I say that not because we are not committed to solving the fractional 1%. We are very committed and I've been really clear that this is a responsibility is my number one priority and there is a lot of work for us to do. I acknowledge that but I also know that we have tremendous tools at our fingertips that we can continue to invest into doing better job. Fractional 1%

1:01:40 She can't even give us the fraction. It's so small. That's probably half of a percent responsibility is her number one priority, no what was it again? She has a funny phrase Was it right in the beginning? No, near the end. I'm just kind of fathoming... involving the fractional 1% like we are very committed and I've been really clear that this is my responsibilities my number one priority and their... Responsibility! What does that mean?! I think she means... What's your number one priority? Responsibility. It's like, what's your number one priority uh you know keep my washing my hands before No no response what she means in gook speak it should be gook speak not gook talk i think it's gookspeak You think that is better? Googatalk. Gookspeak would fit more within a normal meme yeah

1:02:37 We'll have to debate this later. Oh, googspeak you take responsibility for the borderline fractional 1% of issues that's why she took responsibility for hurting the LGBTQ community You see the first question out of the gate The first question she got from the audience was Ina Fried are you familiar with Ina Fried? Oh yeah. Ina Fried who used to be Ian Fried is a transgender, oh! I deadnamed her i'm sorry and here was her question. Yep Ina Fried with Axios you started off with an apology to the LGBTQ community but then you also said that you were involved in that you think YouTube made the right call lot of people don't really feel like that's an apology are concerned that YouTube flags LGBT

1:03:29 positive content just for being LGBT as sometimes, you know sensitive and yet slurs are allowed. And I'm curious are you really sorry for anything to the LGBTQ community or are you just sorry that they were offended? I don't know why the audience is all... So first of all, I'm really personally very sorry and it was not our intent. Our goal was- You know YouTube has always been a home of so many LGBTQ creators and that's why it was It was so emotional Oh my god what is wrong with this woman? So emotional! This really

1:04:15 That's why, even though it was a hard decision it was made harder than it came from us because we've been such an important home. What is wrong with her is that this is their problem This is their fractional 1% issue Is that the social justice warriors are relentless will not stop for anything find fault in almost anything anyone says It's social justice warriors And they don't want the stories. They can't have the negative press, and we've been through this because that... I didn't clip all of this of course but she even says oh no we've reduced these things to 50% All of- This whole blitz that she's on is to inform advertisers it's safe over here It's less than 1%. We've- and even that we don't even show them almost 20%, maybe

1:05:14 I think they're in some serious trouble when it comes to the advertising business. I think they're gonna have a real problem. Well, since they haven't taken over the whole thing... Yet! And they have and they're set in a position where they have to grow to maintain their stock price and everything in between, they are in serious trouble in so far as growth But I don't think they're in serious trouble as in so far as it's going to recede on them and they're gonna make less and less money like the newspapers. Well, the competition for their type of advertising is growing and that's all the other streaming services including the mains M5M television networks who are now going into streaming where people are buying more ads

1:06:11 Well, I'm not well they those ads would have gone to the fractional ads and they would have gone into network TV if they could afford them Because that's where the action is for the big money spends nowadays There's big magazines used to suck him up good Big Giant magazine would get it. I think Vogue magazine still a big giant magazining gets $50,000 for a page mm-hmm which you can't there's nothing like that in on online no an I don't know. I think their problem is this introspection maybe damaging them when you have somebody like this woman who's just fretting, and worried sick. And apologizing in awkward ways that she can get called out for not apologizing when she probably is sincerely apologizing instead of apologizing very... Oh, I'm sorry I hurt your fee- I'm sorry you think I hurt your feelings! That's my favorite! I'm sorry you felt butthurt about that

1:07:13 Yeah, I'm sincerely sorry that you...you know that sort of apology which is not what she did but then she got called on it anyway and folded. She should have just jumped on him and said that's not what i said! No, no, no. I didn't say that. Just honestly said this. She didn't say that. I didn't say I'm sorry because you felt bad. I said I am sorry that this happened period Well, the correct answer came from Google CEO Sundar Pichai who was interviewed separately by Ina Fried. anti-muslim, antisemitic homophobic hate what goes through your mind when you see a video like that and see that it's gotten 350 000 views? I'm thinking let me see 350 times 15 cpm i'm thinking bingo! You know uh...I don't know all the details of this specific video but in general look I mean all of us

1:08:16 You know, none of us want harmful content on our platform. I think last quarter alone we removed 9 million videos from the platform More recently we have introduced you know just like today We do this in search we you know, we had ranked content based on quality and so we're bringing that same notion and approach to YouTube's so that we can rank higher quality stuff better and really prevent a Computer science problem. It's also hard societal problem because we need better frameworks around what is hate speech? What's not and how do we as a company make those decisions at scale and get it right without making mistakes I love that it's just a hard computer science problem That's gotta be my favorite answer. That's classic now when I mentioned something Don't you think our website that would just totally kick butt would be called the nine million ooh

1:09:18 I mean, they took 9 million videos down? That's a lot of videos. And that's just in three months! No, quarter. You said quarter?! Holy moly. Well, that was that well actually That was a well interestingly in the in the recode interview It was it was 8 million and I don't know if the Sundar was done before or after but he said 9 million So yeah But I think the CEO might be I don't know the CEO of the whole kitten caboodle. I don't know whoever's right? but yeah, it's a lot then that's their purge and that's there 10,000 reviewers and whatever AI thingies they have going Yeah

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1:19:59 put we didn't even we wrote everything down. What did you think of the pub? Oh it's fantastic, it was uh yeah it was your I mean it's a great pub, it's just a good pub. Yeah it's very famous and old all right here's what do all our London meetups should be at that pub. It's definitely uh it's appropriate for us for sure that not and we were clogging the you know, their kitchen entrance and they were all very... It was nice. Not at any point did anyone get pissed off at the noise we were making, the fire hazard. Like they do in Oakland. The fire hazard we had created? We didn't even clogged a place and they're bitching and moaning at us. And then we noticed something in Seattle. Seattle—and Ed, but we've discussed this on the show and people from the area have told us this—Seattleites don't like crowds

1:20:51 A bar doesn't want... No, no. Too many people in my bar! I'm gonna make too much money. I don't know what to do. Get out." Well, I think we set the tone and they did good business on us and we probably shut the place down. I dunno. Tina and I left before that took place. Anyway some thanks from producers who supported the show with On The Spot donations Very interesting to see. I don't know if you witnessed this when you did the meetup John Lot of people went to the bank and got crisp dollars to hand in cash So actual dollars actual dollars many of them more than I expected so Martin from the Welsh Valleys Love and light he says $100 and these were a crisp, and it's nice when you get a crisp a crisp dollar That's uh. You don't get those often

1:21:40 No, you have to the printing press must be nearby or these or these crisp fit of these crisp pound notes the plastic another thing that's new To me that that's weird You get a kick out of that with all my see through it. Yeah, yeah It's like this feels doesn't the Queen's ghost when you look through the hollow area Let's see nuke said in the evening John and Adam keep up the good work not donated since I saw John in 2017 you guys need to create a crypto address for us anti PayPal folk a lot of requests for that as usual Please shout out to my girls at least and Saskia Uh, John? You pronounced Saskia as Sas-kaya. Saskia last time which upset her she was five back then now seven

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1:31:22 I think it's time to get to a little local or national politics. Yes, please! Let's start with Biden versus Trump in Iowa as an ABC report. President Trump heading to Iowa today where Joe Biden was waiting for him, the former vice president making his most direct attacks yet. The president is literally an existential threat to America. Speaking to voters in Ottumwa, Iowa, Biden said the president undermines American values But this is a guy who does everything to separate and frighten people It's about fear and loathing. No president has done something like this for God sake! I mean, it's bizarre

1:32:04 Well, history lesson or do you just want me to play the whole clip? That's funny. And it's damaging Biden is eager to look past his Democratic rivals in just one speech today He references the president 76 times Trump is paying close attention he was someplace in Iowa today and he said my name so many times that people couldn't stand it anymore No don't keep saying Sleepy guy. The president taking a page out of his 2016 playbook attacking the former vice president's stamina and mental fitness He looks different than he used to, he acts different than it used too

1:32:42 He's even slower than he used to be. I'd rather run against, I think Biden than anybody. Uh, I think he's the weakest mentally and I like running against people that are weak mentally. Mr Vice President why do you think the president says he would rather run against you than anyone else? That's it. I'm looking forward to it. Biden is leading in the early polls, but with 23 Democratic candidates to choose from some Democrats we spoke with today aren't sold yet. He's a person I really respect. I loved him as vice president, but I think he just Has too much bad news he's accumulated over the years. Why does Democrats say it's time for some new blood in the party? What do you make of that? We need stability. Stability. Stability, we need somebody to nose the ropes. Isn't that a great clip

1:33:37 I love the insults. Also, has no one jumped on him for talking about people who are mentally challenged? No, at this point they're just... the media is doing Trump's bidding once again. Again! Got it yeah? They're taking because he's outrageous with his comments about Biden being sleepy Joe they got that in there and mentally somethings mentally wrong with him he's slow they put that in because its like colorful and livens up to report but if their really out to get Trump

1:34:14 They're doing a poor job. They really think they're doing themselves a service, they think they are doing the Democrats a service by pointing out Trump's that Trump says these things not realizing Again, it's a stupidity thing. Not realizing that this is the kind of thing that sticks in people's minds. Sleepy Joe... he's mentally incompetent He's dumber than he used to be I'm surprised he hasn't brought up taking his head off twice. I don't think he knows If he listens to this show he'd know but many people know about that

1:34:56 It would be a perfect follow. I mean they took the top of his head off twice, how can he be president? Who knows what they put in there! I can write this stuff for him all day long. Maybe it's something he is saving, we're not sure but the media is just... and they put these packages together and they become hilarious if you listen to them. Yeah, I like it Now we had this woman or CBS did a report on Let's see, what is the CBS one? Because I have the...I can give you the... Ortiz? I should give you the ISOs. Ortiz? Is that who you're thinking of? No no, Ortiz is a baseball player who was shot. Oh okay. I'm gonna just give you an in...I'm gonna do the ISOs and play the three ISOs that I found Okay And then they'll show up in different clips Okay oh nice! Ooh this is like a treasure hunt Yes

1:35:51 So this one here is this woman Lisa Chang or Lisa she's a Chinese kind of Chinese I know when she changes American or Chinese, I can't tell but she's on CBS and she can't print it. She can't pronounce Putin. Oh! She's worse than the other one. Poo-in? The wall girl who used to be on RT, she couldn't say it. She said Pootin, pootin, pootin, pootin This girl can even get that out listen to this With Russian president Vladimir Putin later this Putin, what did she say? She throws it together. Putin that and she... I just was not my clipping her that way. She can't say Putin. Let me hear it again. With Russian president Vladimir Putin later this year. Putin, Putin, Putin yeah he's very big for Putin. Putin!

1:36:38 What was that? It's like the woman from YouTube said important. Yes, consider it Okay now we got a classic with the new whoa whoa whoa from Bernie Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa hold on a second no hold on hold on woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo How does that go again the Bernie thing oh Whoa, whoa. Oh it's whoa he does yeah he does whoa he just well I have it here Let me see yes, so let me reverse this one So this is sorry oops this one here whoa? And this is No, I have to find it. I like this though This is definitely this is a whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa and this is perfect I think that's a contender. That's a big contender contender yeah

1:37:33 And then there's the perjury ISO. Sir, are you worried about perjury? Yeah That's just another reporter shouting I think yeah, I think I think Bernie takes it well, I would say so too Okay Alright, so let's go to The other let's go with we have Trump in Poland part one yes What do you have? A flyover and everything was... Wait, Trump. You got a Polish guy there and then he's doing sales! And it is so obvious it's so funny. Today Washington DC saw and heard something that hasn't happened in more than 100 years It was a staged military fly over of the White House Weijia Zhang on what it was all about

1:38:20 A single F-35 fighter jet flew over the White House celebrating two things President Trump is fond of, a good deal and a good show. He watched the display with Polish president Andrzej Duda and their wives just minutes before making this joint announcement I was very pleased that Poland announced the intent to purchase 32 American made f-35 fighter aircraft like you just saw. The F-35, the most expensive U.S. weapons program ever is projected to top a trillion dollars over its lifespan an hour of flight time is about $44,000. The defense deal with Warsaw also includes the deployment of one to two thousand US troops to Poland which will cover the cost to support them

1:39:09 We'd be taking them out of Germany or we would be moving them from another location. Duda had pushed for more US service members and even suggested setting up a permanent base called Fort Trump. Ha! Fort Trump! He's going for legacy man. Something that can be changed in 20 years because it just like Confederacy, no good. They start off this report by saying they haven't had a flyover since for 100 years is what she says. Bullshit! In 1919, the Wright brothers flew over... Who the hell? What display was flying over the White House in 1919 I'd like to know. Was it an F-35? I don't really think so Now did the f-35 hover? Did it do its trick? No, it just flew over. It can do stuff. It flew over slowly though Yeah, it can do a very slow pass that I'm impressed by the aircraft but otherwise

1:40:11 Most people thinks a piece of crap most most AV with the business people well people who have to fly it think it's a piece of crap My understanding. Well, here's part two of that report just for the... The Polish president talked about the need to beef up security in the region in response to heightened Russian aggression Mr Trump said this about Moscow I hope that Poland is going to have a great relationship with Russia and I think it's possible I really do I think because of what you've done and the strength then maybe we help also President Trump is expected to meet with Russian president Vladimir Putin later this month on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Japan and with Chinese President Xi Jinping as those two leaders try to work out a trade deal. Margaret, Weijia Jiang at The White House

1:41:00 I got one clip from this because there was one topic i was particularly interested in, in regards to Poland. As you recall the president when he was still running for office went to the Polish community and said within two weeks I will have Poland in the visa waiver program, which is seeing as they're a member of the European Union it is unbelievable that they have been shunned from the visa waiver program. You can't just hop on a plane do little ESTA paperwork which you can do online and enter the United States We have many thoughts on why that is. I would say... Well, the main thought is it's blamed on Israel Yes! There's a huge movement in the United States even telling Congress Senate and House of Representatives equally

1:40:11 Most people thinks a piece of crap most most AV with the business people well people who have to fly it think it's a piece of crap My understanding. Well, here's part two of that report just for the... The Polish president talked about the need to beef up security in the region in response to heightened Russian aggression Mr Trump said this about Moscow I hope that Poland is going to have a great relationship with Russia and I think it's possible I really do I think because of what you've done and the strength then maybe we help also President Trump is expected to meet with Russian president Vladimir Putin later this month on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Japan and with Chinese President Xi Jinping as those two leaders try to work out a trade deal. Margaret, Weijia Jiang at The White House

1:41:00 I got one clip from this because there was one topic i was particularly interested in, in regards to Poland. As you recall the president when he was still running for office went to the Polish community and said within two weeks I will have Poland in the visa waiver program, which is seeing as they're a member of the European Union it is unbelievable that they have been shunned from the visa waiver program. You can't just hop on a plane do little ESTA paperwork which you can do online and enter the United States We have many thoughts on why that is. I would say... Well, the main thought is it's blamed on Israel Yes! There's a huge movement in the United States even telling Congress Senate and House of Representatives equally

1:41:51 Do not do business with Poland because they killed the Jews were their concentration camps I'm paraphrasing but that's kind of what it comes down to and here's what Trump said. I also want to congratulate Poland for its progress on meeting US criteria for entry into the visa waiver program Today our country signed a preventing and combating serious crimes agreement, A significant and necessary step for Poland's entry into the program. Though we still have some work to do We hope to welcome Poland into the visa waiver program very soon And that is a very big deal Yeah, well see there is a lot of anti-Polish hatred In our congress

1:42:37 Yes, and they're the same guys who bitching moan about Trump cozying up to Netanyahu. Yeah, well of course yeah Who of course is under attack? I have a bonus clip is kind of interesting Because I think this is kind of lame. When Israeli voters go to the polls in September, they will have one more factor to consider This time it's the Prime Minister's wife Sarah Netanyahu has agreed to plead guilty in one of several corruption cases facing the Netanyahu family Our own Lieberman explains The case against Sarah Netanyahu involves the illegal ordering of catered meals to the official Prime Minister's residence in Jerusalem. Sarah Netanyahu, along with a manager of the residence ordered nearly $50,000 dollars of meals according an updated indictment filed in court Wednesday That is illegal under Israeli law when there is already an official chef at the residence and prosecutors say there was one at that time. Sarah Netanyahu pleaded guilty to lesser charge unfairly taking advantage of mistake

1:43:38 Now, what kind of a charge is unfairly taking advantage of a mistake? What kinda laws do they have over there?! It's something losers do. Unfairly taking advantage of a mistake is when she's charged and she ends up being guilty. Wait, that's an actual charge? Did you hear the end? I know but...is it really true? I don't know, it just seems that's the way it is reported. Let me hear the end again... When Israeli voters go to the polls and- That's illegal under Israeli law when there's Saronet and Yahoo along with a manager of the residence order nearly $50,000 dollars in meals according to an updated indictment filed in court Wednesday. That's illegal under Israel law when there's already official chef at the residence and prosecutors say there was one at the time. Saronet and Yahoo pleaded guilty to lesser charge unfairly taking advantage of mistake

1:44:32 This must be some biblical shit. What else could make sense? It's referred to the Old Testament! What else could make sense like that? Completely befuddling... Hey, Hillary showed up on a podcast Yes, yes. Is she still running in your mind? She's still getting ready to swoop? Well if you go to the Cosmic Weenie site, contenders 2020 which is linked we link to it all the time in fact on the last newsletter I believe was linked too one of the photos and

1:45:11 I still have it because i'm just going by what I've witnessed. Right now Biden is the, I'm sorry Bernie's still number one in my book followed by Hillary if she chooses to run she will immediately go to that spot and it's almost like a French three-star chef before he opens the restaurant they grant him two stars ours without even sight unseen. Right, so that's why Hillary... That's true! Well these are producer produced clips from the Unredacted podcast two short ones this I found to be the most interesting do you tell them if they're if they say hey I'm gonna get to cybersecurity do you tell them you might want to do it yesterday? I do Emily because but

1:45:59 I worry that it's probably too late by the time they come to see me. I would bet that the leading candidates have already been hacked. This is a biggest crisis... Both their campaign accounts and if they're in public office, and they're enough of high-profile candidate, their Senate office or their congressional office or their governor's office. Really? Yeah! That's big statement. Well, that's what i believe And she would be the one to know considering the political spying that she allegedly did between 2012 and 2016. I have to say, allegedly. Second clip is about Clooney. Do you want to hear my crazy idea? Yes! This is a crazy idea but it's brilliant because George Clooney should run for Mitch McConnell Senate seat

1:46:51 That's a wonderful idea. There is not chance in whatever that he would do that and besides I think Amal would probably kill him with the twins an everything going on in their lives but he'd be great Kill her? We always knew she was the handler, but you don't have to be that explicit about it Hill Oh crazy Yeah sounds...I missed it Now just on the State Department and spying stuff and this is our local US politics, so there's an important piece of information that came out about the Steele dossier as it relates to the State Department. And not in this...and this is when I believe John Kerry was running the State Department. The first one is about

1:47:52 The Ukrainian guy, Kalimnik I think his name is who was... One of the main reasons I think Manafort went to jail is because he was talking to Kalimnik. and was giving Klimnik the polling results, the secret polling results and passing on information even though Manafort wasn't convicted of any of that stuff as far as I know. That was really the insinuation like oh you know he was with Klimnik with Klimnik it was Russia ties to Russia oligarchs Russia! In a key finding of the Mueller report, Ukrainian businessman Konstantin Kilimnik who worked for Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is tied to Russian intelligence. But hundreds of pages of government documents which special counsel Robert Mueller possessed since 2018 describe

1:48:41 Klymnik as a quote sensitive intelligence source for the US State Department who informed on Ukrainian and Russian matters. Why Mueller's team omitted that part of the Klymnik narrative from its report in related court filings is not known, but the revelation of it comes as the accuracy of Mueller's Russia conclusions face increased scrutiny. Solomon continues The incomplete portrayal of Klimnik is so important to Mueller's overall narrative that it is raised in the opening of his report. The FBI assesses Klimnik to have ties to Russian intelligence, Mueller's team wrote on page six putting a sinister light on every contact Klimnik had with Manafort the former Trump campaign chairman

1:49:25 We gotta get these millennials out of the news business. Is this girl on ecstasy or something? She sounds stoned! As I said, we got to get these kids out of the news business so along with that goes... goes the next clip which is Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch who Is apparently living with Sean Hannity now to make sure he's on the air every night There was more than one dossier. You had the Steele dossier and it looks like you had a dossier created by Jonathan Weiner at the State Department using as a source not only Steele but folks like Sidney Blumenthal, Clinton aide or

1:50:03 pal and kodi sheer who goes back for a long time with the clinton uh... group this is just incredible in the sense that everyone's been thinking that it suggests part of the f b i that's where all the bad activities but was taking place uh... secretary pompeo needs to be working with a g bar as closely as any other agency head in terms of uh... decoding uh... the deep state conspiracy against then candidate trump and then President Trump. And they were desperate to get this information out to their friendly Democrats on the Hill just before Trump was inaugurated, and it wasn't to help President Trump it was try to destroy him and undermine him. Everyone who's paying close attention to this all jacked up. Oh yeah! They're going down people are going in jail...and I don't think so. I don't think so either. This is all great but no, I really don't think so

1:51:00 But we'll see. There are people much smarter than you and I on the case Yeah, that's probably true but doesn't mean anyone is going to jail. Final political... So one of the big there's a one big story today mm-hmm The story that I like is the one I'm gonna talk about little bit which is the census report and the question and the scandal because they have you know Trump saying something you know on the air and it's scandalous. Wait a minute, the census report or just the census? What exactly? No, the census, the question that's on the census that asks for whether or not you're a citizen if you're citizen or not yeah Yeah, so we have two clips on this. OK? First let's play this one is the contempt over set the census question if it's the clip I'm thinking of it's a gem across the Capitol another vote to hold the attorney general in contempt of Congress and the Commerce Secretary too The Democrats who lead the House Oversight Committee said the men had stonewalled efforts to investigate how a controversial new citizenship

1:52:00 question ended up in the U.S. Census. It's designed to intimidate and instill fear The administration retaliated by exerting executive privilege over the census documents Congress wants as the president defended the new question I think when you have a census and you're not allowed to talk about whether or not somebody is a citizen that doesn't sound so good The Supreme Court is expected to rule this month on whether the citizenship question can be included in the 2020 census. Experts have warned that the question will discourage some immigrant families from filling out the forms, thereby Margaret skewing population data. Okay all right that wasn't a clip I wanted but it's fine. It was okay it sets the background yeah play the clip contempt

1:52:53 Well, that's the one I just... Census. That's the one i just played You played contempt? Yeah, contempt over census question Oh okay that's weird Okay play the bonus clip Dennis' Bonus Trump on census Uh..I don't have oh yes I do uh no oh exec privilege Yes President Trump spoke about invoking executive privilege let's listen Well, I think that and I'm not overly involved in that. That's really a legal matter But I think when you have a census and you're not allowed to talk about whether or not somebody is a citizen or not That doesn't sound so good to me Can you imagine? You send out a census And you're not allowed to say whether or not a person is an American citizen In Poland they'd say they are either Polish or they arenot right So...I don't want get into this battle but It's ridiculous

1:53:45 I think it's totally ridiculous that we would have a census without asking, but the Supreme Court is going to be ruling on it soon. And when the census goes out you should find out whether or not and you have the right to ask whether somebody is a citizen of the United States A controversial decision there because it is not a citizenship poll, it's a population poll and some critics say that this would dissuade some people from being counted. The issue to him he actually seems to be condoning the idea of knowing who's a citizen and who was not even though this information is not supposed to be shared thats not what someone taking the census would believe if they were filling out that question Absolutely! It is something we have not seen before and thats why the Supreme Court will have to decide

1:54:30 you know, involved or not he has made his views extremely clear. I thought we had seen this before? I thought it was on the census at one point in history wasn't it? It may or may not have been, but I'm more interested in this skewed presentation by CNN. I don't know who this woman is. It was Dana Bash that she was interviewing as though she's someone to be interviewed. She's a reporter, it's reporters interviewing reporters... Well, she's deep state! She used to be married to some agency guy. Dana Bash? Yeah, I think so

1:55:07 Could be. But she goes on, she makes this comment which sticks in some people's minds as you know... First of all let's talk about this the census thing after I bring up at least this one point. Let me read from the United States Constitution Article 1 Section 2 It states, quote, representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the States according to their respective numbers. The actual enumeration shall be made within three years after the first meeting of Congress in the United States and when within every subsequent term of ten years. Section 2 of the 14th Amendment state's representative shall be apportioned

1:55:50 among the several states according to their respective numbers counting the whole number of persons in each state excluding Indians not taxed. That's it." And so she says, she says it's not a citizen poll... It's not a poll! She saids it was not a poll at all. She says it is not a citizen poll, its'a population poll. Its'not a poll. But when she says that I want to read from the first page of the Census Bureau website The first census counted the population and provided information on population by country, by county. In 1790 the census also categorized white males by age

1:56:33 those under 16 and those age 16 and older. That's race, that's race! Hello? Race! That's not a part of the Constitution. Well it was white male yes... And it's not a white male poll It's a population poll Nobody said that Over the years Congress has authorized additional questions enabling us to better understand the nation's inhabitants and their activities and needs In fact one of the nation's founders James Madison suggested that the census takers ask additional questions that would help lawmakers better understand the needs of the nation. Wait a minute, it's just a population poll! And it goes on with all the examples that they started asking about how many children were born to a specific woman? How many Hispanics there are? The growth of Hispanic population computer usage apparently has gotten into the poll... the census itself but

1:57:25 But so this is disingenuous to say it's not a citizen poll, it's population poll. It's not a poll! All of this is bullshit the only thing that needs to be done is enumeration counting its only count everything else that has been put in and has been used before after the half this was in the Constitution is outside of the scope you shouldn't even have to say how many people live in my house. Everyone should go out, we count everybody and go home that's it yeah they gave a date with that ended about 1810 well of course it did okay just saying but if you're going to ask a bunch of questions I don't think that the citizenship question is out of the ordinary no so take that but I'm gonna take this side at the other side and try

1:58:12 understand what they're thinking. I know what they're thinking, they are worried sick and they talk about it the Democrats i'm talking about here are worried sick that because the question just appears that all this you know the illegals 30 million or 10 million or how many million you want to count won't answer the question and they'll eliminate themselves from the polls just by their nature of being suspicious, with good reason I'd say. But they're suspicious so they won't take them and it will lower the numbers in states like California and Texas in areas where there's a large immigrant community of illegals, illegal aliens, I'll use the term

1:58:58 and then the numbers will be skewed which will give the whites more power over the illegals in Congress and over the Democrats, in particular. Because these people... The Democrats, in a funny way are admitting that the illegals vote for them almost exclusively and they need to be counted so we can get more you know, we can apportion more representatives to areas that are largely illegal aliens will represent the Democrat party in Congress. So it's both sides are kind of playing a game here, they're not quite bringing it out the way you know that Republicans are playing the denial I don't know I don't think so no we were not trying to pull a stunt and the Democrats aren't quite saying what I just said which is yeah they're pulling a stunt to screw us because all these illegal aliens are voting for us illegally

1:59:54 And so we have to put up with these news stories that are half-assed and women like this anchor saying, well it's not a citizenship poll. It's a population poll." I like your Dana Bash voice! Well it wasn't Dana Bash that was doing it...it was the anchor talking about Dana Bash. The anchor, I'm sorry you had the anchor. Well strictly taken from the Constitution, it was just a head count Doesn't and it didn't matter at the time if you were a Citizen or not. I don't think they had passports then when they did this maybe they do right? Did they have passports?

2:00:31 I don't know. Passports have disappeared throughout history on and off again, apparently the last global effort to globalize all the countries was just before... This is a bad story! I mean i've researched it somewhat but just before World War One The passport situation with Schengen was like really the thing because we're globalizing, going to be great and global trade was way up and the numbers look good. But because there's no passports in those citizenships or people just roaming around that's how that guy just roamed over you know Austria wherever he went to shoot a guy that started World War One. Yes France for all

2:01:15 for like it kind of is now in Europe, for just floating around and there was no... the passports were just they came back into vogue after World War I. And this is leading us to now we have the same repeating of history and we're gonna lead another war some sort. You know there was a brief period in the history of the show where we were talking about I think it was in Texas said you know, I should probably run for Congress and We discussed this a little bit and at a certain point if I recall IIRC That you said that would be great because we would love to see the slow corruption of Adam Curry Do you recall? I don't remember saying that but is something I'd say

2:02:03 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is actually going through that process right now. And this clip is her on the street, being interviewed on the street of DC after she had just voted for a pay increase for all of Congress and these things are always very interesting these pay increases...the population in general hates it And why? Because, well a Congress critter makes I think $170,000 dollars a year and this was a forty five hundred dollar annual pay increase to make up for what we call the cost of living. Now it's always a tough one for politicians because of course they want more money but it's a lot of money they're already getting

2:03:00 You probably need a lot of money to be a politician and function in DC. So she voted for the pay increase, her defense is mind-boggling especially with the modern monetary theory that she and her like minded colleagues espouse which is print as much money as we need green new deal 10 trillion For that is exactly what creates the disparity in wages and cost of living. When you inflate the money supply, the money becomes less valuable and you need more of it to buy goods and services and pay rent or mortgages etc. It is a hidden tax that diminishes the value of your money so for anyone

2:03:53 on one hand say, oh we really need to you know which we need this pay increase but on the other hand wants to inflate the money supply by a factor of 100 it's kind of insane. But listen to how she defends voting for this pay increase This is why there is so much pressure to turn to lobbying firms and cash-in on member service after people leave because precisely of these issues politically convenient and it may make you look good in the short term for saying, oh we're not voting for pay increases. But we should be fighting for pay increases for every American worker. We should be fighting for a $15 minimum wage pegged to inflation so that everybody in the United States with a salary with with a wage gets a cost of living increase members of Congress

2:04:43 Retail workers, everybody should get cost of living increases to accommodate for the changes in our economy. And then when we don't do that it only increases the pressure on members to exploit loopholes like insider trading loopholes to make it on the back end so I'm trying to get rid of them. She's going to say this again but just want you to understand what she said By not having enough money as a politician, members is what she means. By not having enough money for the cost of living at your 170 thousand base salary now it It is bad because this makes members want to take high-paying lobby jobs after they leave and to use insider trading loopholes, which we've talked about extensively on this podcast as you are immune from insider trading. If you make laws and you have a law in the books or you know about someone in Congress

2:05:36 Yeah, it's going to affect the sector and you buy or sell stock based upon that. It is completely legal for them to do as long as they report it which is recorded somewhere in the basement of the Library of Congress. They refuse to put these transactions online. Exactly! That's the scandal but she's saying...she only been there a couple months She's already saying she already knows. She already knows about the loopholes and the scams, and she'll double down on it in our economy And then when we don't do that It only increases The pressure on members to exploit loopholes like insider trading loopholes To make it on the back end so you think there's a tendency of memory? Obviously take take it out on this institution because it's an optics issue they don't want to seem like That's my issue Is that if superficial You know you can

2:06:26 You can vote against pay increases all you want. In my opinion voting against a pay voting against it. It's not even like a raise It's a cost of living adjustment, so it's not even like a raise its cost-of-living adjustment You can vote against the cost of living adjustment all you want and it'll look good on its surface But it will every cost of living adjustment that That gets bypassed is voting to increase the pressure To exploit loopholes and legal loopholes to kind of lean on other ways to enrich oneself through service And so my whole side of it is like, it may not be optics. It may not be great optics. It may not look the best in terms of your opponents could use it as a political exploit, as a political issue but in substance you might as well be transparent about a cost-of-living increase fight for a cost-of-living increase for all American workers peg them minimum wage to a cost-of-living increase and then on top of

2:07:26 to close all of the loopholes that a lot of people use when it comes to, you know sitting on a committee and knowing what legislation may be coming down the loophole and changing your stock holdings or letting... You know these are real issues. And I don't think that voting against a cost-of-living increase is going to negate the actual issues at hand in fact it only increases the pressure for people to exploit them. If I were a member and I looked at these optics I would immediately FOIA her stock holdings. She mentioned it too many times, she's on committee, she chairs a committee...I'd like to know! Well, I think she chairs the subcommittee

2:08:15 She still is in committees. She knows what's going on, she knows all about this rule and somebody... And she's run by this Justice Democrat team the number one team that go to guys who once again were not there when she made the statement when they... She's loose! She's loose on the streets. But they probably lectured her about it so she knows about it and they know about it and so they may be How do they deal with their portfolio? Yeah. Well, it's not insider... It depends on how you're going to define insider if you just follow legislation and then you invest or not invest is not the same as being an insider even though it is for the legislated people but if you're being tipped off by them and it's not illegal for them to do it I think it's legal for you to do the trading too

2:09:06 So they're probably... I'm not saying it's illegal. No, it's not! It should be public. She mentioned that let's find out about it Well you can go into the archives and you can get it but someone has to go and do the work You have to go into Washington DC and then Go down and do that Might not be a bad trip to make I might do it myself I'm gonna show my school by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that! Oh yeah, that'd be fab! Yeah we do have a few people to thank before i go to Washington DC just spend my time in the malls... I'm already purchasing a ticket online for you! I would love to see you go and do that! You kidding? That's great

2:10:01 I can do it. I mean, I've got things that could do in Washington D.C.. Oh, there is again Guy Burton. Guy as in guy is a 168. This is one 6880 donation and different note. By the way so one of the things about today's show we mentioned Father's Day in the newsletter. So Adam is going to read alongside as I go through these and we have a Father's Day call out And we have a few of them. I want to mention the dad, I said it would be and it was an open-ended donation that you could donate any amount and then say hello to Dad. You do not have to do Gee because I did him in the meetup notes We read that one so you can go straight to Sir Herb Lang

2:10:38 Yeah, I read the same note. That's the one I read. Okay so Herb Lamb follows him up with $160 and 16 cents and he is gonna... Oh he's going to be at Earl we should put him on the upgrade list. Oh let me see is he oh is he on the list? I don't know if I saw them there let me check. I'd like you change my tile from Viscount of Georgia to Earl of Georgia and such Okay, yes this was not on the list so I will add this title change and he has a Father's Day double boob donation. I think is what this is 808 plus 808 for Father's Day yeah And it is sir her bland becomes Earl okay? Oh no call out But maybe it's for himself double set of boobs yes Sir Sean in Moyoc North Carolina $100

2:11:29 Kevin McLean $100. Oh, yes we do have a report! We have five minutes for reports. Kevin McLean is going to report in from the Al Dhafra region of Abu Dhabi... Okay hold on a second what we need uh do we have new report sound effect or something? Let me see here we go we have an update okay here it is Report from al dhafur region of Abu Dhabi It's hot and there is a lot of sand. Thank you for that report! It was a report? Yep, it was a report. Kevin McLean $100 Rob Van Dyke $100

2:12:09 Alexander Sulzberger, 8008. Boop! Which I would think would be a bunch of Father's Day donations. I'm gonna encourage people to do it. Sunday show is Father's Day donate 8008 on Father's day that's a great idea Paul Webb if i do say so myself $75 Happy Father's Day to my dad Chris Webb who overcame a heart transplant last year happy father's day to John and Adam gutted I missed the London meetup Sir Paul from Twickenham we're gutted as well Paul but thank you very much Anonymous, $75. That was in honor of D-Day I guess. He said... yeah thank you. Wants people to read IBM and the Holocaust by Edwin Black. That's your buddy isn't it? Holy cow! Isn't that your friend? Yeah he is an old friend of mine. It's a good read. Great investigative writer. He has done stuff that is jaw dropping. I don't see him anymore. You know I should track him down. Well he'd be a good interviewer. There ya go

2:13:09 Daniel Walraven, 75. I think it's Scott McCl... It's Val Raffen. Val Raffen? Yeah he's Dutch. Val Raffen yes. Val Raffen. Scott McCleary 69-69 Longtime boner first time donor could i get a dedouching and a surgery karma for my father dedouching now karma later of course You've been Deduced! Not a problem Matthew Mungin 69, Sir Phenom in Appleton Wisconsin 6204. I need some condo, the condo renting karma will put that at the end. Christopher Dechter 5678 Gavin Haberfeld Field 5151 Benjamin Doolin 51 Robert Deck and now the following people were $50 donors we didn't get a lot of donations Robert except for you would luckily we had to meet up yeah Robert Dakini in Fairfax Virginia John Ferris in Liberal Kansas Thomas Burke

2:14:13 50 in parts unknown. R A Eichelboom in London, was he at the meetup? Don't know. Kimberly Redmond in Toronto Ontario Robert Bruckner Kevin Silverman in Severn Maryland Robert Kerbach and Essexville Michigan Heather Rodriguez in Stockton California. You can do it. Roy Tenhava in Piniocar Very good Cassidy Eastwood in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Jason Clegg in San Diego California Mark Johnson and Aurora Colorado Brandon Savoy in Port Orchard Washington and last Robert Weber of Lake Forest California and Dame Patricia Worthington in Miami Florida let me go down the list just see if there's any call outs for anyone

2:15:08 I do have a follow-on note from Dame Lisa. You remember her from the last show? It was an Insta-Dame, and she works for LibertyNation.com And she did have a follow-up which I thought was good to share unless you have anything else. Any call outs there? That's it, what you got? No, I've not seen anything She says... LibertyNation.com poll fittingly while flying across the country Not sure everyone was happy when I Oh okay! I first heard your response to the LibertyNation.com poll fittingly while flying across the country I'm not sure everyone was happy when I burst into loud spontaneous laughter while listening to the show You two are a riot

2:15:51 A few itsy-bitsy items to clean up. I am not number two at Liberty Nation, I am editor in chief! I AM NUMBER ONE!! Who said she was number two? I did...I said...I said...I said she's the number one and number two because i think he didn't found a company but Oh you're considerate yeah Adam would be the type that would always consider a founder Number one yes I don't know what I'm talking about So she is the big kahuna, Editor-in-Chief. I will tell you for certain we did not step on the pole. I double checked this with Mark Angelides, I think it is Managing Editor at Liberty Nation He did say his feelings are a bit hurt though because he actually does listen to No Agenda in the UK and when one of you that would be me said the author of the article who was Mark only listened to five minutes he got a bit miffed

2:16:46 Did he go to the meetup? My point exactly. Let me see... Personally, I hope you guys kiss and make up perhaps play him a karma jingle that might do the trick. I tried to get him to go to the meet-up but he was just in London covering the anti Trump chlorinated chicken protests Oh no well okay well anyway oh he's not in London That's interesting He is in the UK now London Yeah, they're bitching not just in London but around the world. They're bitchin about us shipping our chickens all over the place. We chlorinate them... we drop them in a... it's not chlorinated, it's a chlorine bath

2:17:25 that the chickens go through to kill salmonella and make the chickens you know, it's a Brexit slogan. That's why it's being used here they just say oh yeah you want chlorinated chicken! You hear every 10 minutes in the media in the UK and the reason why is that the EU, the European Union doesn't allow chlorinated chicken And they just give it to you with the salmonella. So people are very worried that when they Brexit... then they'll only be eating chlorinated chicken. It's one of those talking points. I'm guessing, although I don't know this is a fact but it would seems likely because this equipment is being manufactured and sold by the boatload that the chicken in coming out of those robot factories in Holland largely have gamma radiation exposure at the end of line and you blasted chicken with some gamma radiation which we should be doing here

2:18:25 And that would kill, that would do the job of the chlorine. Well I'm with you... It would internalize it too. Now i think we concluded on the last show it's a dumb meat and uh I think everyone agrees. It is a dumb meat! By the way guys Liberty Nation is a conservative website While we do have two staunch libertarians on our writing staff of 12 authors, we are primarily a run-of-the-mill group of deplorables. Because we are Liberty Nation I kind of feel live and let live is the best policy. I am curious as to why you thought we were primarily at Libertarian site? Well because on your site it says you got libertarians and gays and blacks and Jews and whatever so i figured you couldn't be conservative that doesn't sound right! We were just questioning

2:19:11 As usually... Okay. What? Well, I mean, I don't know one way or the other. I'm paying more attention to that site it's a nice good site to handle things properly It has well i think you said they seem more libertarian. It doesn't matter! It's just a label who gives a shit. Probably me because I think that Yeah, okay. Go on! No one cares you got good information. She's correcting us this is fine yeah well she's editor-in-chief she's the number one she has every right to she's a dame Editor in Chief as usual you guys were right on I queried the staff as to whether this poll focuses on only conservative podcasts or podcast conservatives love to download and listen to it is indeed what they prefer to listen to so we added an asterix or ass tick

2:19:58 As what's his face would say Al Sharpton? Estic we had an a stick in the story for clarification with a hat tip to no agenda Well, they edited went back and edit it very good So yes now she has one question. Just a couple of other beautiful things to say but she says yes Dame is nice But if we're dishing out titles She'd like to be known as a lady And I think if you're Dame, then you by definition are Lady so-and-so. Because a knight is sir, so a Dame is a lady and I think Lady Lisa sounds good. Okay that's what she'll be referred to? Yeah! That's fine. We can put that in the notes... yeah we'll do that. So if a Dame wants to be referred to as lady, that's fine. Yep, got it. It's approved immediately approved by the Peerage Committee. You heard it. Ad hoc

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2:23:27 Oh, this is gonna be pretty short and sweet and easy to do. Today is June 13th 2019 here's our birthday list only two Nick Foster turns 24 tomorrow and Jason and Emilio say happy birthday to mom Mary happy birthday for everybody here at the best podcast in the universe! And also won today on the title change list, but it's an important one sir Herb Lamb has up his status he now becomes Earl of Gitmo Nation. Thank you and Earl of the No Agenda podcast we appreciate everything you do for us as well Sir Herb Lamb and we've got two for The Nighting Table oh wait where is my

2:24:21 A sword. You brought the short version, right? Somewhere it is... Oh yeah! I got it. There we go. You've got yours? Here's mine. Perfect. Alright Up here on the podium to the round table Nick Foster and Guy Burton Both of you gentlemen are Welcome here at the roundtable of our NOAA Gen. The Knights and Dames, thanks to your support of the program in the amount of $1,000 or more and I am proud to pronounce to Kate thee as Sir Nick Foster and Sir Gee! Knights of the NOAA Gen. Round Table we've got here for you Hookers & Blow, Rent Boys & Chardonnay Cookies & Vodka We got Early Times & BF4 English Muffins with Butter & Honey We got Harlots & Haldol Beers & Blunts

2:25:05 girls with coffin varnish, breast milk and paddling vodka than vanilla, gaseous and sake, rubiness woman in rose, bong hits in bourbon, ginger ale and gerbils. And of course mutton and mead head on over to noagendanation.com slash rings and give Eric the shill your information he'll get the ring out to you as soon as possible with your sealing wax your official certificate and for those nights who I met at the meetup yesterday who Never really put in for it. I think you should there's a couple tonight and I never I never asked for it I think you should do it especially see how many people did have their rings at the meetup So please do that love showing them off Yeah, you deserve it Please do that quick list of the meetups that we have coming up Copenhagen June 15th The 4th of July in Seattle June July 9th Knoxville Tennessee What are you gonna bet?

2:25:59 Sir Patrick will be there. Atlanta, Georgia on July 13th another Southwest London meetup on July 20th and on the 20th a brand new one entered Buffalo New York to look for penetration testing in Berlin I got an urgent report from Sweden just came in from Eric Wow Let me read this to you. He said, on Monday June 10th the following happened in Sweden that was probably not or under reported. You ready for this? Sure! This is one day in Sweden

2:26:40 Bomb threatening English-speaking EU citizen carrying three passports shot by police at Malmo Central Station Man shot at Fager show outside of Stockholm female train conductor assaulted by two men in orebo orebro Pedestrian run over during police pursuit in Stockholm man shot and killed him almo shooting in another part of Malmö attempted murder shooting intense to Stockholm shooting in got Sunda Uppsala. Another shooting in Uppsala later in the day, in connection with a fight involving 10 to 15 people. Man found stabbed in Salem outside Stockholm. Another man taken to hospital after knife fight between neighbors outside Helsingborg. Two critically injured after knife fight in connection to a softball game in Lundby

2:27:26 Two more bombings in Malmo at late night. This leaves out the large bombing of an apartment building in Likoping, previous Friday which injured 25 and damaged 250 apartments." Did you hear any of this? Of course not! Especially the apartment being blown up?! No... This is what you get when your news is focused on Bojo with a mojo and Orange Man bad It's pathetic No wonder you're losing your ass, because you're not reporting news! Orange man bad. Well yeah that sounds like they have issues that need to be resolved. Societal based issues egalitarian problems yes

2:28:13 Well, the one piece of news that I thought was very important and that's why I sent the bonus clips off which is this which happened just as the show is being produced and needed to be discussed a little bit. Which is two ships being attacked variously reported by torpedoes then it was shells nobody really got into story straight. It'll be straightened out after this show is done but... And by the way This reflects almost to a tee the kind of stuff that was in the short one 13 episode season of Rubicon. We're following a developing story out of the Gulf of Oman, The US Navy says it's responding to reports of attacks on shipping vessels there

2:29:02 A statement goes on to say that US naval forces in the region received two separate distress calls this morning local time. It adds that ships in the area are rendering assistance, the news is sending oil prices up sharply. U.S crude prices surged as much as 4% as details of the reports first emerged they're currently at more than 2%, As you can see, CNN international diplomatic editor Nick Robertson following developments from here in London. But first I want to go to Gaul Tazouz she's in Abu Dhabi. Gaul what do we know right now in terms of confirmed detail? Well, it's a developing story. But at this point we know that an incident took place on two shipping vessels in the Gulf of Oman and in these incidents we know that one oil tanker was involved and a vessel carrying chemical products was involved. The company that owns the chemical product shipping company, that vessel says there

2:30:00 ship was attacked twice with some sort of shell. We know at this point that 44 people, crew members of those two ships have been rescued by the Iranian Navy." Mm-hmm okay yeah what's your assessment of the sitch? Somethings... I know you'd like that! What's the sitch Kim Impossible I don't know. How about this? How about market manipulation? Market manipulation is part of it, that's the reference to Rubicon Yes and the oil price was already going down way too low Uncomfortable we can't have any of that Yeah so let's shoot a ship full oil Or maybe just say the ship... Have you seen video? Could be bull crap like the Gulf of Tompkins That was a classic

2:30:58 You should look into that. We'll have to see read something funny enough to see I mean, I like you know going back in time I do have a clip from 20 2010 which I just ran into a cache of old Archived material from the dream from the recorders that I used Back in 2010 hmm and I said what's on here? And it's just I had to re-edit them and to produce them but I got a kick out of this one because I don't know that NBC at Rockefeller Center has, they have a store. And I don't know that they sell Donald Trump memorabilia, but apparently in 2010 according to O'Reilly who ridiculed this when he had a TV show. This is O'Reilly 20... It says 1010 by the way. According to O'Reilly there would..this was just the pro...in 2010 this is what they were doing NBC News continues to support the president just about every way at their headquarters in Manhattan The NBC store is selling Obama merchandise

2:32:00 Dolls, shirts, mugs. You can get them all at the NBC store Didn't see any Sarah Palin stuff there. I didn't see bold fresh, but they may have been sold out It's the Obama fetish from back then it was great it was good times everyone loved him we were feeling good It was hope and change it was fabulous Hope and change open chain you I read it up with no hope in a pocket full of change You know I recommended you watch this Flea bag on think that's on Netflix The series have you watched this Fleabag? Yeah, so I've watched a couple episodes. So the thing is the first episode just because we're talking about Obama

2:32:41 And I thought it was very realistic. She's lying in bed with her boyfriend, and you know they're basically breaking up or no They just had sex and he's done And she was clearly not done he rolls over goes to sleep, and she's watching Obama masturbating to Obama What president did anyone do that too but Obama? I can't think any other any other president Clinton. Particularly white women? No, Clinton but they were forced. You're the worst! Ebola's back in town! Ebola's back in town! Yeah baby Ebola is back in town we are very proud to say that Ebola has moved from the Congo to a new spot in Africa

2:33:34 And my predictions always are when Ebola shows up, the military is on the way. The child was detected by the health workers at Kagando Hospital with signs and symptoms of Ebola and immediately transferred and isolated at Buera Hospital, a Ebola treatment unit for further management. A blood sample was drawn and sent for testing at Uganda Virus Research Institute very early on the morning of June 11th and the sample tested positive for Ebola. All the other Congolese family members have been identified and are in isolation at Buera Hospital. As of Wednesday afternoon, the World Health Organization said two new cases of Ebola has been confirmed The Ministry of Health, the World Organization and the Center for Disease Control

2:34:23 have dispatched a rapid response team to Kasese to support the teams who are on the ground, to continue with various activities including contact tracing and case management. The Ministry of Health, WHO and CDC will undertake ring vaccination of contacts to the case and other non-vaccinated frontline health workers, as well as other workers beginning 14th June 2019. So this ring vaccination is what really caught my ear on this

2:35:00 Apparently there is a... First of all, this is 30 kilometers from Kampala in Uganda. This is a big deal! This isn't just some little place we're mining up in the Congo. In Kampala this is where big terrorist attacks take place. A lot of things happen in Uganda and we've sent CDC which as we know has its roots in military But then they're doing these ring vaccinations, which is... here it is. The RVSV-ZEBOV and it's a vaccine that is experimental and they call this ring vaccination approach by offering

2:35:50 to contacts of the people diagnosed with Ebola and their contacts, and also frontline workers to be vaccinated with the test vaccine. So I don't know what the plan is on this but i think... Hold on wasn't there isn't there a legitimately tested already vaccine-free Ebola that they were shooting people up with in the Congo? This is the same one, but it's not legitimately tested. I thought it was! Same thing ring testing... Ring testing which let me see if I have... Well I'm unfamiliar with this well It's a way of saying we're gonna test this shit on you only make it sound cool by saying ring okay whatever I

2:36:45 I mean it makes sense they're gonna use the African population to just test random vaccines on. Well this is what we've always been told, is that this takes place and here it is as far as I can tell and you make it sound great and they have some kid who died and I guess that he had Ebola...I don't know but this is a development that takes out of out of the Congo DRC and puts it straight into or right into Kampala where I lived when I was a kid Hmm military honestly you'll be keeping up track of this yes I will be on top of the Ebola. I will stay on top of Ebola, you bet. Ebola? Come from Africa give diarrhea

2:37:35 Okay, the other big news that you missed out on. Well you didn't because it's in Hong Kong Yes I have a pretty good update and this is the Hong Kong update and i believe this is CBS They did a pretty good job There were more clashes today in the streets of Hong Kong Protesters are outraged over a proposal to send criminal suspects to mainland China for prosecution Riot police met them with tear gas and rubber bullets Rami Innocencio was in that crowd We have to use force, said Hong Kong's police chief and they did. They shot tear gas and pepper spray swung batons and fired rubber bullets

2:38:15 Protesters pushed back with water bottles protected by umbrellas and masks. Everyone was a target, including us. Already the smoke in the tear gas is making its way here feeling it inside your nose into your eyes is getting closer and closer Helping hands came from these protesters. Take some water, this is what you have. Okay thank you! But it's a small kind of sting when your future is at stake I think there's no hope but we still need to continue to fight against the Beijing government and protect our city and our future

2:39:03 The hope to stop lawmakers from passing a controversial extradition bill. The fear, if passed anyone here could be extradited to mainland China Human rights lawyer Jason Ng says that could include foreigners. If I'm an American and I did something bad here, I could potentially be extradited to China Well you don't even have to do anything bad What is it stopping China from making up evidence? Hong Kong's chief executive Carrie Lam who was appointed by Beijing said she hasn't sold out Hong Kong

2:39:38 But in a separate speech, condemned the protesters as rioters. That designation means protesters may be subject to very long prison terms if arrested but that's a risk many are willing to take especially as we get closer to the bills passage Chief Executive Carrie Lam says she hopes do that by next week Yeah this is interesting Well, it flies in the face of these two systems one country bull crap. Yeah, that was made the deal was hands off. Yeah. And so this will course all goes back to Thatcher screwed everybody by giving the Hong Kong back to China for no apparent reason

2:40:26 And because there'd still be a British colony otherwise, cause it was at least for life or some ridiculous number. The Chinese think long term so that wasn't a big deal to them but and then the Chinese made a big stink about well don't worry about it cause I was in Hong Kong just before the 97 turnover And everybody there was paranoid and people come up to me, friends of mine who say yeah all we hear is people speaking Mandarin because everyone speaks Cantonese in Hong Kong. They're here too many people, oh these people they're moving in and they are going to imprison us. Of course that was the same period where all the expatriates

2:41:11 moved to Canada, most of them because you could buy Canadian citizenship for $250,000. And many of the great chefs of Hong Kong moved to Canada which created especially in Vancouver... Vancouver? A great subculture of Chinese restaurants It was weird and the Chinese assuaged it with this bull crap, which apparently is bull crap. And this woman, this lamb woman who's a governor of Hong Kong appointed by Beijing is a creep! Well, a word about the social scoring that would apparently be used to entrap people and have them extradited

2:41:58 Tina was talking with some people at the gym. I think she's at a new gym now because we moved and she was talking about her nutty husband, the conspiracy tinfoil hat wearing dude About... somehow the conversation went to Black Mirror and The Social Score That one of the first episodes which i think was one of the best ones in second season I don't know what they're doing but One of the guys there is in China quite regularly even had the social score app. He said, oh The kids hate it they found all these ways to hack around it They show you I look you do this and you do this and then your score here your score changes their they're completely circumventing the whole system which is encouraging to hear

2:42:50 Well, it's discouraging for me to hear that you have to do that because those bypasses are always thwarted eventually. Yeah, to a degree I'd like to hear from some of our producers in China about the circumvention what do you do? What exactly is it the way... Do you hold your phone different or turn something on and off? There are probably some apps that feed data here and there where it shouldn't be going Yes, good for you to do that but at the same time why... The public at large in China can only put up with so much. They have had revolutions and it could happen again I have just two articles two items i want to discuss quickly one congratulations yes You have a clip? Last thing is a clip because that'd be great yeah last thing would be a clip Alright, two stories no clip first of all okay uh remember my prediction

2:43:50 Football, soccer is going to be big in the States as long as it's women. I love the pounding the USA team gave to Thailand 13-0 at the World Cup that there are your boring scores John you always hate these boring 1-1-1 nil nil nil scores...13-nil! And then they were gloating about it and now they're discouraged. Everyone hates them! You're bad winners, that's worse than sore losers you guys are horrible I'm all for it yeah I think we pounded the ties perfect The second one is about this helicopter crash in Manhattan and I have been able to do some work on this

2:44:34 So I'm pretty sure I know what happened, although we never know exactly until we get the full report. First of all, I owned this exact type of aircraft before in 1999. This was the Augusta 109e Power, this is first of all it's incredibly... It's one of the safest machines you can fly it's a twin turbine engine it can do single pilot IFR which means you can fly in any conditions just like well not at the altitude but just like any airline aircraft

2:45:12 on, you know essentially your...on instruments. You have to be certified this pilot although he was an experienced pilot was not certified IFR so you can't fly in instrument flying rules conditions now I am NOT certified on helicopter for IFR but i have had the training and here's what happened when you are flying in what we call whiteout condition which is what he was in The ceiling was 700 feet, but when you're even 200 feet below that it looks very different in the air than from the ground. You probably saw the video of the helicopter flying quote erratically? You actually can't see where you are in those kinds of conditions and when you're flying a helicopter... ...you're not instrument rated and you don't know how to use the instruments you will be upside down within 30 seconds

2:46:05 It's, it's you get vertigo and it's a very very dangerous situation. This guy tried to make it back he wanted to what we call scud running just kind of skirt underneath the ceiling and I think he got up there and immediately he got disoriented that's what we saw on that video and unfortunately he crashed into the building! It's that simple And it's a day wrecker for him and for everybody else involved. But it was the typical, very typical case of pilot error which is what most of these accidents are and he never should have taken off. It was just a big mistake so that's all there is to it everything out everything else you heard his bullcrap. That would make sense yeah alright well last clip

2:46:58 This was kind of a newsy thing and it was done. It's a... somebody did a deep fake on Zuckerberg? I have not seen it, was there any good? Yes, it was not very long because I think it's 23 seconds. I get the whole clip here. I have the voice is 17 seconds It takes a lot of work to make one of these and this has Zuckerberg sitting there looks just like Zuckerberg Is based on Zuckerberg? And then they have a voice which doesn't sound quite like Zuckerberg But it sounds enough ages not you know look like her burkhanis wallows his he's swallows when he talks about I can't even do the imitation. But he does it a little bit, Gates does it and a lot of these guys do that so sounds more like a very clear Zuckerberg and its not that interesting but you have the clip but I want to say that I believe in Zuckerberg did Facebook big news was they're no taking off Instagram this Friday

2:47:54 fake. And that was because they refused to take off to Nancy Pelosi. Sure, and so they said look we've kept ours on just the way we are. So they didn't take it off and then they shouldn't have taken it off because it's so funny but here is what it sounds like imagine this for a second One man with total control of billions of people's stolen data. All their secrets, their lives, their futures I owe it all to Spectre! Specter showed me that whoever controls the data... ...controls the future Okay hold on a second That sounded nothing like Zuckerberg That's the worst fake I've ever heard No not even

2:48:39 I disagree, I think it vaguely sounds like him. And then when you have his head there yacking away... Well that's the difference yes but when you just hear it? No! I thought it didn't sound anything like him at all. I thought it sounded vaguely like him but that was it that was the bit It was very funny they're leaving it up It's going to just encourage more people to do these things, which is probably not the good idea. And it's probably I would personally if I was Facebook, I'd take down the Pelosi one. I take down this. I take them both down exactly why they didn't is because you know these guys are reactive. They're all older conservatives bitching at him. Okay but hold on, hold on. You taking our stuff down? So they're just doing stuff stupidly. They should take both of these things down.

2:49:28 The problem I have with them is not that they're political one way or the other, or just nutty. It's that it's encouraging more people to do this stuff and we don't need it! Well, was this the synthesized voice that did this deepfake? Was that like the one they did with Joe Rogan is that the same company that put together? I have no idea. That idea...I didn't dig into it. Well all I'm saying is just like when we listen to audio only of a television show that's where you hear the bad acting. I have not seen this deepfake video. I was not seeing Zuckerberg face only what was burned into my head from seeing him on television Yeah No It did not sound like him

2:50:07 Just well you're it's the same thing. You're right when we do the video clips of you know some TV show And then we just use the audio of the acting yeah, it's terrible and you just start noticing It and that's probably you I had to disadvantage of seeing the thing in with his face And so I'm looking To hear him more than you are And I did, I hear a little bit of him in there. Little bit? Even though it's fake But yeah you're right! I'm not gonna deny that and it's not...I never said it was great The face part is No because I've read about this and have not seen or heard it and I'm just like oh really this what everyone's all jacked about It's no good Yeah exactly Just no good I knew you wouldn't have it because your floating around So I thought to play for ya and uh its only 17 seconds long

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