Truancy Crimes

00:00 I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I- Braving the chills of the tundra and broadcasting live from the capital of the fields of opportunity here in downtown Des Moines, Iowa in an Airbnb. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I can barely hear you by the way, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning. Pay no attention to it if you can hear me or not. It's only when something loud is going on.

00:39 Yes. Yes. In the morning. That was corrected. In the morning, sir. In the morning to you. In the morning to you. In the morning to all ships of sea and boots on the ground, feet in the air, and the subs to the water, and the names of the knights out there. Well, you are very chipper today. Yeah, I got up. I got up, you know, when you get up at the exact right time? Yeah. Without the alarm going off. Okay, yes, and you get up ten minutes too early. You're kind of groggy you get up ten minutes too late You're kind of groggy. Yeah, it's you can't hit it. I'm very rarely once in a while you get up exactly the right time I don't have these problems. Oh, yeah, no You do no. I don't I don't I don't I really don't Yes, so I'm here in a Des Moines, Iowa John

01:24 As they like to call it, Des Moines. Yes, Des Moines. The locals call it Des Moines. They do not. They absolutely do not call it Des Moines. In fact, quite the opposite. They insist you never pronounce the S. Huh! Yeah, I don't know who told you this, but it's not true. It was a local. Well, anyway, we're here in literally in downtown Des Moines, which is completely dead in the weekend. There's nothing going on here. And besides the fact that it is 11 degrees outside. And you think maybe that's part of the reason? No, I think that's just this all, you know, Des Moines is very interesting. It's all it's the insurance capital of the country. So it's all basically financial companies that are downtown.

02:07 Have you ever been to Des Moines? Yeah, of course I have. I've been to Des Moines, I went to the outskirts, I went to the bridges of Madison County. I love the skywalk system they have here. Okay. So you have or you have not been to Des Moines? If you've been, then you know about the skywalk system. I was there in the summertime, I wasn't paying much attention to the skywalk. Okay, so downtown, there's an entire downtown area. All the buildings are connected by these enclosed bridges that go from building to building so you can walk throughout the downtown area without actually going outside. Yeah, I guess Minneapolis has that as well. I think they might have. Des Moines might have stolen it from Minneapolis.

02:50 Well, it's not as though these cities don't have these alternate routes. I mean, in Toronto and even Edmonton and also Montreal, they have all this underground network where you can walk all downtown without ever coming above ground. Right, right. Well, it's no luxury here, I'll tell you. My goodness, it is so cold, biting cold. It's just crazy. As you can tell, I'm in a very large open space. It's kind of echoey here in the Airbnb that we got in downtown, which has a very loud heating system.

03:29 So loud in fact that it kind of rivaled the the air conditioner in the airstream of consciousness So I have to turn it off during the show I'd only have a sweater on now But I'm pretty sure within about 30 to 45 minutes is gonna the temperature is gonna drop pretty significantly here my my remembrance of Des Moines is that it is that area you're talking about is all buildings, business offices and the like. Yeah, exactly. There's actually somebody living there somehow? Yeah, this is, there's what used to be a hotel called the Kirkwood Hotel. They turned it into... Oh, I see. ...into condos. And of course, no one actually lives here in the condo, so it's just Airbnbs. And it's, I mean, it's really affordable. And by the way, the hotels were completely booked.

04:15 Geez, affordable. It's 11 degrees. I wonder why. But all the hotels were booked, the hotels downtown. Do they have a big convention going on? I don't know what's going on. I don't know what it is. I know Tulsi Gabbard was in town for three days, which I didn't know. And of course we had the wedding yesterday, so I couldn't go check it out. But I doubt that all the hotels were full just for her. It seems unlikely. So there's probably something going on. Oh, that's right. Iowa is the first, yeah, the game of... Yeah, Des Moines. Des Moines is... Everyone goes to Des Moines and what's the other... Come on. Fairview. No. No. In New Hampshire. New Hampshire. No, not New Ham... Come on. Everyone has to start their political campaign. You always have to go to Des Moines. Is it Des Moines and New Hampshire?

05:11 Those are the two the first day start these off usually so I don't know why I'm not quite sure why? Those are the ones that That's the first round of elimination especially in New Hampshire if you can't come at first second or third you're gonna have nothing but trouble Okay Well, Des Moines is you can take a pass on that. You can take a pass on Iowa. It's as caucuses. It's not the same. Well, Tulsa's here. When the people come out to vote in New Hampshire, then they've made a decision. Okay. So we had our big Iowa meetup on Friday.

05:50 Yes, I understand it was a huge success. This was it was incredibly successful. I think it's the largest one we've had to date We didn't get a complete headcount because the venue was kind of large and there were other people But I would say we were at least 70 maybe a few more over the course of four hours I made through was it three three. Yeah more than three hours. I think it was this was really Really a good one People came from all over the place, from Minnesota, from Kansas, Tennessee. Well, Sir Patrick Coble, of course, came in from Tennessee. We had people from Indiana, from Chicago. It was mind-boggling, people driving four or five hours to come to the meetup and going back the same night. Yeah, they're hardy there in the Midwest.

06:43 They're dedicated. They really are. It was a great venue too, the hall, which is interesting places where they used to repair trains or they, I guess they, you know, train cars and they could roll them into this building and work on them and then, you know, turn them onto a different track. And half of the building is a nonprofit teaching people how to do different kinds of vocational jobs. And they fund that with this, you know, basically the hall, a big beer hall. And we kind of took over a whole part and people were really interested in what we were doing, thinking we were a cult. Especially when one of our producers, he was ready for a nighting and he brought his accounting.

07:34 Now this was Paul Richardson and he said, hey, you know, so I have the final check here for my knighthood. Can we do it here live? I said, of course we can. I said, oh good, because I got a sword in my car. I said, bring it in. So we're brandishing swords in this hall. the tweet about you doing this and I said, what is Adam? Adam does drag a sword around with him. This was not my sword. It was a family sword. Been in his family for, I don't know, decades or maybe longer. It was very, very unique to say the least. So we'll be, I guess we'll do a little segment and mention a couple people in a little bit as we first get started. I see we had an interesting crossover.

08:25 In particular on the the Dye-Fi and the child abuse clips. This was quite amazing what happened with the Sunrise Movement. Yeah, I found it to be a child, well it's child abuse. Yes, well do you want to set it up because you got, once I saw you had the clips I didn't have much to add but I do think it's important to let everyone hear what was going on with this. Well I don't have the complete set but I have a lot, I have what I thought was the important clips. So what happened was some teacher, she was some 24 year old, she said she was 24 when she, they're bitching and moaning about her, the kids not voting for Feinstein.

09:01 Some teacher had gotten her class to do a big project of writing this huge letter, a giant, you know, like one of those giant checks. It was a giant letter encouraging Feinstein to vote yes on the Green New Deal. Now these were kids who were what, like 12? Yeah, they're 12 year olds and there's a couple older kids, but this teacher was the instigator. It's pretty obvious. And she had convinced these kids, you could tell by the way the kids were talking that they're all going to die in 12 years. And something needs to be done now. And of course, I don't know if she taught the kids that this bill, quote unquote, is actually just a resolution that really has no, doesn't do anything except, you know, kind of has a hopeful

09:52 kind of a thing behind it. I hope, you know, I just hopeful of the following is hopeful that we stop all air traffic only take trains. And I should mention to people just because we, we talked about this before that the passenger train business peaked, it didn't peak in 1955. It didn't peak in 1945. It peaked in 1929. And somehow they want to revitalize it like the California high-speed rail, which had to be canceled because it was cost overruns were ridiculous. In other words, the progressives are not progressive. They're progressives would be pushing for, it seems to me if you're progressive looking toward the future, you'd go for a supersonic transport. Right. Hypersonic. Hypersonic or something like that. Anything but trains. Yeah.

10:45 But that's okay. You know they just the whole thing has got these kids all jacked up So let's play a few of the clips or this clip has got the kids Preparing to go in then it cuts over to them. I think making their first statement. This is Number one. We are trying to ask you to vote yes on the Green New Deal. This is the kids did you see the full 14 minutes of the whole video? I did I did okay, cuz I actually pulled a couple of very short alternative because first of all there's such lack of respect by the kids I by the way I love the way the Twitter verse took it. Oh fine sons a douchebag You know she's cuz she was a douchebag, but it wasn't

11:40 She was forced into being one. But the kids, you know, it's not we're going to take in front of Senator Dianne Feinstein or Miss Feinstein, Mrs. Feinstein, whatever you want to call her. No, Feinstein. Well, they get that from the parents, from the adults in the room. That's where they get that non-etiquette from, Feinstein. You just know it. Yeah, Feinstein. I just give it in front of Feinstein. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not found to be anti-Semitic. But okay. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop, stop, stop. What did you find to be anti-Semitic? It's a Jewish name and you just use the Jewish, Jewish-ish niche of the name. Oh man, great. And I got a segment for you later on. It seemed to be insulting. It was rude. Okay. Yeah, no, I agree. It was rude. All right.

12:26 So let's go to two. Some scientists have said that we have 12 years to turn this around. Well, it's not going to get turned around in 10 years. What we can do is put ourselves in the faces of the people who are going to be living with these consequences. That was the teacher and she was the most abhorrent of the group. Oh, you're looking at the faces of the people who are going to be living with the consequences. She's egged these kids on, told them that they're all going to die in 12 years. Well, to be fair, John, it's not just the teacher. We've talked about this. This is being rammed into kids' heads everywhere, everywhere on television. It's in cartoons. It's all over the place. It's not just the teacher. Yes, it is just the teacher, in my opinion. Here's why.

13:17 Shouldn't the teacher be backing these kids off from this nihilistic look at life and saying, hey, no, you're just fine. You're not going to die. What if the teacher also believes it? Goads them into going in to see Feinstein? What if? Well, OK, let's just set something up. This was not just one teacher. This was the Sunrise Movement. which one of them was a teacher. There were parents there who were with the Sunrise Movement, there were people there who were not teaching these kids but were in the group, and by the way they didn't have an appointment, they just walked in. Talk about rude. So it's the Sunrise Movement who believes this

13:59 believes the government assessment, which was all over the news, told everybody if we don't turn this around in 12 years then it's going to be irreversible and that's what AOC is all about and her Green New Deal. Didn't the first time we heard the same thing was about 1989 when they, we have clips, we have Quotes that you have ten years to live so by the year 2000 were already I'm not arguing that but at this very moment it has been so prop Propaganda eyes that and this is the Feinstein's

14:38 Feinstein, not being anti-Semitic, Deify, said some very good things to these kids, but she's too chicken shit to actually say, you're not gonna die in 12 years. That's the part that I found reprehensible from her. Well, I found a number of reprehensible things. Well, of course, she's a Democrat, so she has to kind of deal with this. The teacher should be a teacher and not just a cheerleader for dying in 12 years. I find her to be extremely offensive. Hold on one second. Let me play you 27 seconds of...

15:15 of these kids and the teacher talking about skipping school. And if you listen carefully, they cut school for this day. All the teachers were on board. It was part of the, you can hear the kids saying, yeah, it's part of the global strike, which means they're seeing, they know about the kids in Brussels who are all bundled up and all, you know, protesting global warming. It's spreading all over Europe. It's not really discussed that much, but this was a truancy operation. Did you guys all skip school? Yeah, yeah. Our teachers. Our teachers want to be here. We're doing global strength for climate, so. What Oakland schools do you guys go to? Okay, I'm from Oakland. So. Support Oakland teachers. Yes, exactly. It's awesome. I have a friend who works for the LA Unified School District and they did a similar thing, yeah. But she was very excited and supposedly all the parents were super supportive and the kids were very happy to come back to school now.

16:09 So it's okay kids can skip school if it's for this cause Yeah, you're right. This is a truancy operation these people should be jailed Okay, yeah sure whatever happened to the old truancy officer Come along get back in the paddy wagon kids get in there. Yeah, okay, that's the olden days. It won't do that anymore No, no, you can just take off when you feel like it so you can bitch about global warming Here's my last clip I was elected by almost a million vote plurality and I know what I'm doing. So, you know, maybe people should listen a little bit. I hear what you're saying, but we're the people who voted you. You're supposed to listen to us. That's your... I love the lack of English grammar. We're the people that voted you. I didn't think that was... I know, I like that too. That was fantastic. ...voted you. You're supposed to listen to us. That's your... How old are you? I'm 16. I can't vote. Well, you didn't vote for me. Boom! It doesn't matter. We're the ones that get to have to do something. It doesn't matter. We're gonna be the ones

17:13 the one who got impacted. I understand that. I have seven grandchildren. I understand it very well. Senator, the cost of not taking this action is far higher than the cost of what the Green New Deal will be. And there is enormous popularity for this bill around the whole country. And we're asking you to be brave and do this for us and for your grandchildren. All right, good. I have some complimentary quotes. I gotta say something. Of course, of course, of course. The, first of all, this woman says it's going to cost less. The Green New Deal is going to cost less. Yes, the Green New Deal is going to cost nothing because it's just a resolution. That is never brought up. These kids don't even know. They think that if Feinstein votes for this, the next thing you know, global warming is over. Well, not entirely true. Well, the kids may not know it, but the

16:09 So it's okay kids can skip school if it's for this cause Yeah, you're right. This is a truancy operation these people should be jailed Okay, yeah sure whatever happened to the old truancy officer Come along get back in the paddy wagon kids get in there. Yeah, okay, that's the olden days. It won't do that anymore No, no, you can just take off when you feel like it so you can bitch about global warming Here's my last clip I was elected by almost a million vote plurality and I know what I'm doing. So, you know, maybe people should listen a little bit. I hear what you're saying, but we're the people who voted you. You're supposed to listen to us. That's your... I love the lack of English grammar. We're the people that voted you. I didn't think that was... I know, I like that too. That was fantastic. ...voted you. You're supposed to listen to us. That's your... How old are you? I'm 16. I can't vote. Well, you didn't vote for me. Boom! It doesn't matter. We're the ones that get to have to do something. It doesn't matter. We're gonna be the ones

17:13 the one who got impacted. I understand that. I have seven grandchildren. I understand it very well. Senator, the cost of not taking this action is far higher than the cost of what the Green New Deal will be. And there is enormous popularity for this bill around the whole country. And we're asking you to be brave and do this for us and for your grandchildren. All right, good. I have some complimentary quotes. I gotta say something. Of course, of course, of course. The, first of all, this woman says it's going to cost less. The Green New Deal is going to cost less. Yes, the Green New Deal is going to cost nothing because it's just a resolution. That is never brought up. These kids don't even know. They think that if Feinstein votes for this, the next thing you know, global warming is over. Well, not entirely true. Well, the kids may not know it, but the

18:09 Sunrise movement person whether she's a teacher or a parent She knew exactly what was going on here And I think I have a feeling there were different video recordings Because you would you probably would have clipped this if you had heard this this is here's the lady talking Just before they're getting ready to get kicked out which I also have Listen to what she says here. We know that no plan is gonna pass right now all the Republicans control the Senate This is a long game. We need to be doing this to unite the Democratic Party I don't know if you've noticed, but voters haven't been particularly energized the last couple of years. We need something to fight for. Your constituents are asking you for this, and I really believe, and tens of thousands, millions of people around the country are asking for this online. They're calling you. Your phone lines are blocked up. Look, I understand all of this.

18:58 And I'm trying to do the best I can, which was to write a responsible resolution. Any plan that doesn't take bold transformative action is not going to be what we need. Well, you know better than I do. So I think one day you should run for the Senate. No, actually I did hear that Like that one it is pretty funny you should run bitch, but that's just her being jerk Right but why why didn't she why didn't the following take place? Oh You know, she has people, she has people who could strategize this. The kids come in with the letter, the big giant letter, and Fai says, oh, this is so wonderful, this giant letter. Let me, we're gonna, I'm gonna take it, we're gonna go over this letter, we're gonna frame it and put it in the office. This is great, I have a meeting. And hopefully you guys can be in touch with me in the future. That's not how it went. That is how they got rid of her.

20:02 clip of how they kick the kids out as they said they want to present this letter now she's been talking with them for 10 minutes and and again a giant letter the only thing she had to say was it's just not true you're not going to die in 12 years and she knows it and I can prove it which I'll do in a moment but here they are getting ready to kick the kids out. Can they read this detail? Yeah I can read it. Before they read it. I do read it. Just taking a stand and not voting present not saying present when you're actually What is this not voting present thing? What is that? Is that some kind of abstention or... No, you can vote present. That's what Obama did all of his years in the Senate. So you don't actually vote, you just say I'm here? Yeah. You're not abstaining. They can't accuse you of abstaining. But what the Sunshine Rise movement person is saying is please don't just say you're present.

20:59 She says I can say I'm still Obama I can read it I do read taking a stand and not voting present on the future of the most catastrophic event that's facing our species you have a chance to say Here it comes. Can we read? No.

21:35 opportunity knowing that they know it's not going to be easy. We have another meeting. We have to. Yeah. Okay. That doesn't work with me. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, everybody. All right. Chris, will you want to present that? Yeah. Goodbye. Thank you. All right. Read it out. Read it out. I'm not going to read it. Come on. We can read it. We can read it. Please do not. Oh, where can I read it to? Senator Feinstein. I appreciate you meeting as a mother of this young child. I can say that I really hope that you follow the lead of these young people and I think it's the best chance at really giving them a life. Let's just have nine-year-olds run the country. We need your leadership, Dianne Feinstein. Follow the lead of these young people. The nine-year-olds run the country. Alright, so everyone's had a lot of fun, some good fun with the, with this video, but did you have a chance to look at her resolution, the one she handed to these kids?

22:30 No. Oh, well this is the no agenda way. I'd like to review a little bit of Dianne Feinstein's draft climate change resolution. It differs somewhat from the Green New Deal. Well, it probably leaves out the part about cow farts. Yeah, it doesn't have that, but there's some more important differences. The change, so you know, a resolution, this is a resolution, it just says here's the stuff we agree on and here's the stuff we say we're going to do. It doesn't do anything else. It's just kind of an agreement and is used as a, dare I say, a framework to start creating legislation from. So Congress finds... Yes, you may dare say. I dare say. I may dare say. Congress finds that the climate is changing a result of human activities, primarily the combustion of fossil fuels.

23:20 The changes in climate projected in the coming decades threaten rapid, widespread, concurrent and long-lasting increases in heat waves, wildfire, disease, drought, crop failure, sea level rise from loss of glaciers and collapse of ice sheets, ocean acidification, mass extinction and collapse of food chains, mass population migrations and human conflict. That sounds kind of groovy. Yeah. Changes in the climate are already evident that since the beginning of the 20th century, the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has increased by more than one-third. Global average temperatures have increased by more than a full degree Fahrenheit. And then she goes into some interesting examples.

24:06 California from and since you live out there California from 2011 to 2017 was likely made 15 to 20 percent more intense by global warming the drought I'm sorry the drought in California was likely made 15 to 20 percent more intense by global warming what do you like Lee well he has a lot of likely the next line The rainfall in Texas during Hurricane Harvey in 2017 was likely increased 15 to 19 percent due to climate change. And the area burned by wildfire in the western United States between 84 and 2015 was doubled due to climate change among other indications. I mean this is really a very wishy-washy fuzzy little thing we're supposed to agree upon. But here's what she says we should do. Number one,

25:00 Instituting a price on carbon. Yeah, Deify, we know what you're going for. Yes. Let's see where she differs from the Green New Deal. Completing the transition to zero emissions electricity sources to electric drive surface transportation systems. So she's just talking about not about airplanes. And also, we need to have efficient systems for transmission, distribution and storage of electricity. Uh-huh. Yes, of course we do. And by the way, she wants all of this to take place by 2050. And this is why... We're all be dead by then. This is why she's chicken shit.

25:36 The United States shall reduce net greenhouse gas emissions to zero as soon as possible and by no later than 2050. Now, this is great. This is why it was originally 2030. We predicted this five years ago because 2030, a lot of the old politicians then really weren't going to maybe be in office in 2030. And Dianne Feinstein, she won't be alive in 2050. So she can make any resolution she wants, no one's going to call her on it. That's why this 2050 number is here. We will need to resume the development of energy efficient standards for ceiling fans, walk-in coolers,

26:19 freezers, uninterruptible power supplies, portable air conditioners, boilers, central air conditioners, light bulbs and other appliances. Also she would like to maintain the coordinated national program of fuel economy and vehicle emission standards which should exceed 50 miles per gallon. Every car needs to do that by 2025. We must remain a party to the Paris climate agreement. Reinstate the interagency working group on the social cost of carbon. And then rebuild our infrastructure to be more resilient to extreme weather. Fortify coastal communities against sea level rise. Identify alternative supplies of drinking water. Develop crops and agricultural practices that will maintain a reliable supply of food. Hello Monsanto.

27:11 Prepare the public health system for greater risks of vector-borne diseases, asthma, heat stroke and other health hazards. Hey, how about hypothermia? Seeing as climate change is causing this cold snap. It's not in there. And then the part that AOC would like to hear. The United States shall ensure a just and equitable transition for all communities, including guaranteeing pensions for workers in the coal, oil, and gas industry, and providing meaningful training for new economic opportunities within their own communities. And you know what that means? Learn to code! Learn to code, exactly!

27:48 ensuring that the infrastructure investments required to migrate and adapt to climate change will offer good, high-wage paying jobs in the United States. Respect the needs and wisdom of local communities in planning infrastructure, especially communities that have historically been marginalized or oppressed, including indigenous people, communities of color, migrant communities, de-industrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities and youth. Who is not in that group, that list? That's everybody but old white men. Everybody's in there but us. And then finally, we commit to minimizing the extent and speed of climate change which will initially, this is a great, this is the last sentence of the whole document.

28:43 minimizing the extent and speed of climate change which will initially harm the most vulnerable individuals and communities disproportionately and will eventually imperil all society. Help me understand this sentence. So again, take a look out the window. How were those? How are those? Actually, the mudflats right now are bigger than I've ever seen. So there must be some, I guess Australia's sponge is sucking up the motion.

29:19 So to me it sounds like she's saying we're screwed no matter what. Well, why don't you read it again? Okay, so I'll read the heading. The United States shall ensure a just and equitable transition for all communities, including by minimizing the extent and speed of climate change, which will initially harm the most vulnerable individuals and communities disproportionately and will eventually imperil all society. So it sounds like... Eventually imperil, eventually, she uses that word, it has to kick her. Eventually imperil all society, you're right, it makes it sound like we're screwed. Whether you do something or not. Yeah, whether you do something, well it's a draft, maybe she still needs to work on it. Yeah, she needs to throw it. Anyway, I thought the whole thing was... It was comic. It was sad, I'm sad about these children.

30:13 I really am. It's... Kids have projects, they get it. You know, when you're older you'd look back on them and say, that was dumb. But do you think that these kids who are hearing this stuff, that they really, that they don't, they're like, ah, we're not really gonna die, it's not really gonna be horrible, or do they really believe it? I think a bunch of them do believe it, but I think most of them are just kids. Well... I mean, when I was a kid, you have to remember, I was the duck and cover generation. And so, uh, you know... Oh, okay. Alright, hold on. Tell me, specifically duck and cover, tell me how... what... did that have any effect on you? Were you worried at the time?

30:52 I don't remember being worried to this extent these kids are about global warming. I mean, yeah, but Russians are gonna bomb us. Okay, let's go over that period. There was a number of factors going on. It wasn't until the fission fusion fission bomb came out that most of this ended. People just threw their arms in the air and said, screw it. That's a thermonuclear bomb, which means it was a a fission bomb that set off an H-bomb which set off a bunch of cheap uranium which poisoned the earth for the next, you know, 100 years. Before that bomb was invented, which was the discussion of this is in a book by Linus Pauling called No More War, which is quite really a good read if you can find a copy. Anyway, before that, they were having as well, you duck, you know, don't look at the fireball and, you know, duck, get under the desk.

31:43 Yeah, don't look at the fireball cuz I have that jingle the duck and cover I bet I do somewhere and so then and so then during that same era there was a people were selling fallout shelters and there was always somebody in the neighborhood a couple people in the neighborhood who bought these things hey let's Bring out a big construction rig and dig a huge hole in their backyard and drop in a big tank which which had an entrance to it. And these things are still out there in the Midwest and throughout the West Coast and the suburbs, mostly suburbs. And they're used as root storage, you put your can in a good size, pantries, virtual pantries. I think I might have one of the original duck and cover jingles that you kids were indoctrinated with. That schools have developed protocols and they actually train and they drill on what to do.

32:32 No, that's not it. I thought we had that somewhere. I think we do. Anyway, I just continue. Okay. So we had, so it was like, you know, it seemed as though they were going to blow, the world was going to blow up and looking back on it, I had other concerns. Like getting laid? Well, mostly like, you know, should I kiss this girl? What would she do? I mean, it was the concern about getting killed by a nuke, which is going to wipe everybody out. really wasn't something that was at the top of my top of the list of things to think about and then it's just no it just doesn't yeah, you duck and cover and you Right look at somebody's bomb shelter, and then you did well. It didn't affect you It did not affect you adversely is what you're saying. I don't believe it did well I think I go it was looking back on it, and I can see that that it was a

33:27 semi humorous mm-hmm I can't see these kids being any different than any kids well I think if you take this so you take this this threat which you really can't see I think that's comparable to the the nuclear bomb that you know we yeah we we really don't know it's never you know will it really happen there is other child abuse going on as we speak this took place this past week in Florida Stephanie Kearns her daughter Sydney and one of Sydney's classmates are all able to hug each other the school. The school was closed for the day. The students were told to leave the building after what they described as a stressful day at Pulatka High School. Sydney Kern says the stress began when an emphatic voice over the intercom alerted students and staff that an intruder was on campus. They said it was a man in a black hoodie with jeans. The school went into lockdown, Sydney says she and her classmates rushed into a back room in a separate building on campus. She says the lights to the room were turned off. Students and

34:21 people were banging on the doors, kids were crying saying let me in and they would not let them in. They had to go in the bathrooms and hide. Sydney says she and other students were texting their parents. Well I was freaking out, I was at work and I was like oh my gosh. I spoke with one student off camera who said the drill was so realistic that she had an anxiety attack. She says she looked over and noticed some of her teachers also having panic attacks. And this is why on one hand, Stephanie Kearns is worried about unannounced active shooter drills. I mean, I can appreciate them doing drills, but you know, I know there is some kids that they suffer from anxiety attacks or panic attacks or just different issues. On the other hand, she agrees with unannounced drills to better prepare students for a real emergency. If they tell everyone it's

35:05 a drill, are they really going to take it seriously? School officials issued a Facebook statement saying they wanted to see authentic reactions from students and employees to see possible flaws and make necessary changes. The drill was handled very well. I find this amazing. I mean people can get hurt with these unannounced drills. I'm waiting for when somebody dies from a heart attack or something during one of these drills, because people die of heart attacks every time. Sure. Somebody drops dead from one of these drills unexpectedly and sues the school district for everything they're worth with millions of dollars, and then their insurance rate goes skyrocketing after that because the insurance company will pay the first one, but they're not going to put up with this going on for long. And so you end up with it costing the public a lot of money

35:51 Because they won't eat it, it's just the public that has to eat it with these higher taxes. This is unacceptable. And I'll say that what I think is, you know, the fallout from this is it's one thing to be, you know, this magical climate change which is going to kill you because it's going to be so warm and we're sitting here with our sweaters on, but kids who are in school, in colleges, John, they really are traumatized by this because they're told it can happen at any moment. can happen to their school at any moment and then you get a drill that's unannounced I think that's pretty irresponsible yeah I agree anyway kids are abused all the time and they love it when the truth comes out

36:34 CNBC. Yeah, CNBC. How to Train Your Dragon, The Hidden World opens in theaters nationwide this weekend from Universal Pictures and DreamWorks, which along with CNBC is a subsidiary of Comcast. So at a time when kids are watching less traditional TV and TV commercials, how is the studio promoting this film and others. Well they've asked us to ask Julia Borsten. She's on the Oscar red carpet with a look. Julia. Pay attention now. Well Kelly, DreamWorks Animation is not relying on commercials but rather going to where kids and teenagers spend their time. to drive word of mouth and also social chatter. Where kids spend their minds. Yeah, yeah, the truth always wants to come out. They spend their minds on the social medias. Yes, that's exactly right. That's where they spend their minds and you're there corrupting them. Alright, just to get off the Green New Deal, I don't know if you saw this one last bit from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who had to fight back against this Die-Fy deal because this is unacceptable.

37:35 And here's how she said that in, I think this is actually a rare appearance in New York. And I read it and I was like, you know what? I don't care anymore. I don't care anymore. Because again, I'm at least trying and they're not. So the power is in the person who's trying regardless of the success. If you're trying, you've got all the power. You're driving the agenda. You're doing all this stuff. Like I just introduced Green New Deal two weeks ago, and it's creating all of this conversation. Why? Because no one else has even tried.

38:12 Because no one else has even tried. So people are like, oh it's unrealistic, oh it's vague, oh it doesn't address this little minute thing. And I'm like, you try. You do it. You do it. So until you do it, I'm the boss. How about that? You heard it here. I like how she kind of turns into Jenny from the block. You know, you do it. Oh really? You do it. And all of a sudden there's the Latina coming out in her. You know, it was a group effort that came up with this thing, not her. She says, when I introduced, I saw what she introduced. It was a whole group of people and they all went up and said something. She should have said when we introduced.

38:57 She's not a team player. She's gonna get she's gonna be sorry. No, we'll see I was one of the members of the group that introduced a green new deal But I'm not such a loudmouth like she is I'd be irked by that comment. Do it that I did it I Introduced it. I wrote it. She didn't do that's bullcrap. I Well she's taken the glory for whatever it is, for whatever it's worth. Whatever glory there is. Alright we've been talking about anti-semitism. You and I have seen this accusation rise significantly in just the past month. Everything, everywhere there's anti-semitism. Anti-semitism, oh this is, oh it's anti-semitic. Let's start here at home. They're trying to turn the yellow vest into anti-semitism. Here we go, PBS NewsHour with Jonathan Greenblatt. He is the executive director of the Anti-Defamation League. If the president and his supporters and anyone who is doing what Deborah refers to as these dog whistle calls, if they all went silent

39:57 The hatred and the bigotry that is anti-Semitism would still exist, wouldn't it? Well, of course, anti-Semitism is often called the oldest hatred. It's been a persistent problem for centuries, some would argue even millennia. But the issue is this, and we know this from the words of the white supremacists themselves, the David Dukes, the Richard Spencers, the Andrew Englunds, these individuals with their poisonous prejudice, they have celebrated online when they've seen terms like America first. or globalist, or more recently nationalist, end up literally in the talking points of candidates and officials themselves. And I do want to say something, and this is important. This is not political. After Charlottesville, we saw leaders from the Republican Party and the Democratic Party call this out. However, this demands not just saying something in response to an incident,

40:57 But rather, it's the climate leaders create every single day. And we need people in positions of authority across the board. Keep in mind, the 57% increase included a 90% increase of acts of anti-Semitism on college campuses. So whether you're the president of a university or the president of the United States, people in positions of authority need to shut this down as soon as they hear it. So now we have... Wait. This is an interesting transition. Wait. You didn't let it play out when he also had Farrakhan and the women, the new Muslim members of Congress. That's so weird! I didn't find that in the clip. Well, Farrakhan was left out. He's openly anti-Semitic. And so are some of these newer women that just came into the scene. No, no, no, no, no. You have it all wrong. You see, it's the white nationalists

41:52 Which is really nationalist, let's just break it down, which is really, I guess he didn't say patriotic but that was all that was missing there. You know, he's just twisting it. Who is this guy? He is the obvious. He's the director of the Anti-Defamation League. He is the go-to guy for this. He doesn't care about Farrakhan. Well, notice white nationalists. If you claim to be a white nationalist, what do you think you're mainly against? People who are not white, but for some reason that's now Jews. Oh. You see, this is... This reminds me about one time, this was like months and months ago in Horowitz.

42:32 And Dvorak Diash unplugged Horowitz says he says what when did I not become white? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no he's not white. He's worked about it. Well. I'm sorry. He can't he's not in our white club Go away. Okay, so we're talking the same week. We have this on PBS NewsHour. Friday night, I guess it is, Bill Maher and his HBO show has an old friend of ours who we have not seen for years, Bernard-Henri Lévy. Yeah.

43:09 Who is this guy? He's French. I can't remember. He's the French intellectual douchebag. Yeah, he's a French... that's what he is. He's a French intellectual douchebag. Okay. Bernard Levy. Let me look him up. I forgot all about this guy. Yeah, he was in the news. It must have been six years ago. He was all over the place. And anyway, so he is accentuating the anti-S... You got him? You remember him, right? Well vaguely well he was in the news a lot back in the day I should look up when we last played a clip from him anyways I'm Bill he's on bill Maher new philosophy. Yes, and he's there to basically Connect the dots between anti-semitism and the yellow vests and it's the same stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Listen here. He comes listen to this

44:02 What's going on every day I read in the paper about the yellow jackets in France the started as a protest against high gas prices Yeah, not just high gas prices bill. You can go ahead and say it was against a carbon tax, but ah gee You just can't bring yourself to say it can't what's going on every day. I read in the paper about the I know I was being sarcastic, but I'd had to yellow jacket in France. It started out as a protest against high gas prices I think and it seems to have morphed into something darker with elements of anti-semitism. Why does everything in Europe wind up being something involved with anti-semitism? I like what he does. Bill Maher is good here. Why is everything in Europe anti-semitic? They're all Jew haters all over Europe. Why is that?

44:47 In Europe and also sometimes in America, remember all these millions of twitters that preceded and followed the election of Donald Trump? You want a competition between America and Europe? I don't advise. I don't like this sort of... No, there is today. What is true? And again, it is, I don't want to make too much advertisement, but it is a topic of my book. There is a wave and tide of populism. Populism means also, is the nickname a gentle name for fascism, therefore for anti-Semitism. Okay, let's... Populism is the nickname... Okay, you get clip of the day on that one.

45:34 I knew you'd love it. Let's just break this down. So a minute ago... Mr. Webers, you know, you're like Adam Curry, you're a Jew-hater. That's pretty much it. First we heard white nationalist is nationalist, is globalist, is anti-semitic. Now we're hearing populism is fascism, is anti-semitic. and tied of populism. Populism means also is the nickname a gentle name for fascism, therefore for anti-semitism. And this wave is going wiping off all our countries, the West, Europe, America,

46:17 of course Russia, which is the fatherland of this populism, the place where they popetize, marionetize this populism. So we have that everywhere. And of course anti-Semitism is the climax of this populist trend. And it's absolutely normal that we have it, but it would be absolutely normal to resist, to face and to contain it, and we don't do enough it. And that's... I have to clarify something for people. The fascist movement, which was an Italian quasi intellectual movement and Bonito Mussolini was one of the main players in the development of it in the late 20s, actually mid 20s. It had absolutely zero people. It was a totalitarian style system that was

47:08 very closely hooked to corporatism where corporations are part of the government. But it had absolutely zero antisemitism built within it. In fact, the opposite may actually be true. It wasn't until Hitler came along and stole the, kind of stole the popularity of the whole system and he put in his anti-Jewish prejudices or bigotries into the system and made it anti-Jewish. It never traditionally, Fascism does not equal anti-Semitism by definition. National Socialism, which is the Nazi party, yes, that's different, but he didn't say that. Unfortunately, when you do not defend the meaning of words such as gay, meaning happy, gleeful, and you allow that to be changed, you can't stop other words being changed to have a meaning. And it's happening right here before our very eyes by intellectual elites who are just telling us these words mean something different now, and you're meant to believe it. Yeah.

48:08 It's completely unacceptable. In Candanavia, you're not free from this. We have Yellow Vests also cropping up in Canada. Here is author slash podcaster Nora Loretto. telling us exactly what this is about. This is a movement that is using the cover of jobs and pipelines and oil exploitation to earn their credibility into the mainstream press while then also talking about the UN being some international conspiracy theory to I'm not exactly sure what, override Canada with I don't even want to continue on that line because it's just so racist and so disgusting.

48:50 She's taking it to the same place! United Nations is a conspiracy theory. Yeah. She knows what verbs and nouns, she gets these mixed up, I don't get it. It's fantastic. It really is. Alright, well, there you go. It's just what it is. This is a depressed, this shows, I started off joyous at the beginning of the show and now I'm getting more and more depressed. Let me see, 2011, is this that same douchebag? Is this the same guy? Let me see. Oh, come on. Stop. Yeah, 2011's the last time we heard from him. Eight years ago. And this guy's back.

49:37 He's a frog. Probably got a book coming up. That's what he just said. He said this is exactly what his book is about. His book is about populism turning into anti-Semitism. And he's got the Anti-Defamation League to back everybody up. Anti-Defamation League should be ashamed of itself by not mentioning Farrakhan if they're gonna go there. Well, not in any clips I saw. No, because they didn't. No. Because this would kind of impinge on the Democrat Party. This has become a political organization, partisan toward the Democrats. It's unacceptable. So I have a clip. Well, let's change gears a little bit, unless you want to stop and take a pause, because we're going to have to take a couple of extra breaks. Yeah. So maybe I should talk about the meetup first before we go into a regular segment. Talk about

50:36 Who we saw and who had what to say and who had some nice notes, etc. Yeah, you got a lot more notes than the general meetups get. It seems to me because I looked at your little list of things to talk about. And you had a lot of notes. We don't have to read every single one of them. No, but you want to read the good ones. Yeah, I do. Let's start our segment. Let's start the segment and then we can do you'll do the meetup reads cuz we have a separate group. All right Well, let's do it. We'll do the regular the regular stuff and then we can go back Let me start by thanking you for your courage and say in the morning to you the man who put the C's Iowa John C And in the morning to you and all the dames and knights out there

51:27 Feats in the air, subs in the water, boots on the ground. I did that at the beginning of the show. Well, in the morning to you, sir. In the morning to all of the human resources in our troll room, noagendastream.com. Good to have you all there. Thanks. I love you guys showing up, helping us out, particularly when we're on location and things are a little more, need a little more help from the trolls. And I'd also like to say in the morning to Sir Lowenbrau. Who man it's been a long time since he had some artwork. He did the art for episode 1114 title that was fudged and this was the orange man bad poison control patch It was a great patch to have but we did we I think we got this from evergreens Yeah, it's a it's an older one. He probably doesn't even listen to the show anymore. Well, I don't know about that. I

52:17 No, I'm guessing mmm. He probably does probably does, but I don't know that Why couldn't we find any art that was recently submitted do you recall? Yeah, because it wasn't up to our normal high standards, okay? That's it. I was straddling. It was a lot of it was predictive a lot of it wasn't didn't really it wasn't funny All right predictive. Yeah a lot of people do this they'll They'll think they know what topics we're going to talk about and make art beforehand. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't work very well usually. It generally never works. No. Okay, so we had our big meetup here in Des Moines, Iowa. Before you go to the meetup, how was the wedding?

53:03 Well the meetup was first the wedding was yesterday, and the wedding was fantastic was you know it was at the botanical gardens Which is a really great venue now. It's inside the inside in a tropical dome It was really nice. The keeper and I danced the night away, groovy, got in way too late and I got up nice and early to do the show. But the meetup was on Friday. As we traveled from, we got up really early Friday morning, we were on a plane at 10 to 6 to St. Louis. You cannot get directly to Des Moines from pretty much anywhere. So we had a layover, three hour layover in St. Louis.

53:42 It's pretty much the whole trip should have taken three hours, not even, from Austin to Des Moines. Yeah, so we got in and then, you know, got turned around, everything set up and went straight off to the hall, which again, thanks to the owner for letting us brandish weapons and, you know, and make a right old ruckus. I said there was about 70 people. Now, I think this was coordinated by Joshua Thompson. Think he was the original coordinator who worked with Mimi. Yeah, and so I want to thank him right up front He gave thirty three dollars, which was thirty dollars in paper and three Susan B Anthony silver dollars Are they the silver ones or the copper ones do they look like she said there were silver they look silver I don't know. How would I know if they're copper? They're made out of nickel then it's not silver. No, I like them anyway. I

54:41 Put them in a little thing, go to the coin and stamp store and get these little containers. You put the coin in there and you fold it up and you got a coin in a little square thing. Exactly. Thanks to an anonymous donor, $40, no note, no name. Almost everybody did a good job with envelopes and with notes and putting their name on it. Although the $49, that was a check and I don't want to mention their names because that's kind of an anonymous, that's one of our signs that that is meant to be an anonymous donation.

55:17 Yeah, that's because it is. Yeah, well there you go. Otherwise you would have donated 50. Yes. $50 from John and Aaron Shriver. They had no note. Jake Nichols, $60 and he had a very nice note and he also gave me a book which may have to enter the No Agenda reading list. Foundations, Their Power and Influence by Renee Wormser. Uh, no, we've talked about the foundations and how they, uh, how they, you know, influence education by literally giving money and saying only if you use it for social justice warrior stuff.

55:53 And his donation is dedicated to my late grandfather Lloyd D Johnson, an accomplished engineer who was part of an engineering team that designed and built the gyroscopic navigational control module for the moon lander in the 60s. And, legend has it, a pair of his shoes were sent in the time capsule to the moon during one of the trial runs of the landing. How about that? Well there you go. I'm petitioning JCD to start an Instagram page to archive his archives. The people demand access. He actually says hoarding and it's crossed out archives. The people demand access. Barry Richardson $66. He says in the morning love the show. Josiah Thomas $75 no notes. Josh Moser

56:46 He, uh, needed a dedouching, so let me give him the dedouching. This is his, I think, his first, maybe his first ever. You've been dedouched. Let's see if I can find his note really quickly. I don't think I can find it. You do this so much better than I do with these notes. Alright, uh, then we have- yeah. I know, right? And then we had our knighting on the spot, Steve Drury. And let me see. Oh, by the way, can I mention something? Yes. I'm never going to do that. I'm just telling everybody in advance. Okay, that you won't knight him. Actually, this was not this was this is Steve Drury, who becomes a knight today when he's completed his knighthood with $80 he becomes Sir Cumspect.

57:45 Then we have... circumspect the second. Must be. $95 from... we're not sure, the note said Dube? D o OB so I'm not sure who that was Scott of the tall corn he gave $100 and He had he gave us some very nice, Iowa Tags I have a name tag and there's some stuff in here for you all Iowa related and lots of nice little Goodies, and he says that he has a hoodie for the foamer in chief when you come to Iowa So he's putting the screws to you there, huh?

58:24 Todd McGreevey, $100. He says, please, if you can, do more for do more topics about Agenda 21, which I think we kind of call the agenda 2030. Or these days, we just call the Green New Deal, even though he feels that we've we do we don't talk about Agenda 21 anymore. And people should definitely We used to talk about it a lot. Yeah, now it's kind of morphed into some stuff we see right in front of us. I think Green New Deal is a fantastic example of Agenda 21. And he asked if we plug marigoldresources.com for producers who need help in buying or selling a business. Sir Dirt Farmer of Illinois, $100. No jingles, he'd want to just karma, so we can do that for him. You've got karma.

59:12 Joshua Kratky, $100, and he had these beautiful laser-cut name tags. I have one for you. It's wood, but it's cut with a laser, and it says John C. Dvorak. Podcaster I think would be nice. You know it's It has a magnetic connector You'll need it because it's kind of heavy better. It may drag your t-shirt down a bit. It's beautiful It'll keep you afloat though if you fall in the water AJ Bolan $100 from him and he had a actually one of the nicest cards a handmade card and

59:51 Very pretty dear Adam and John I'm so very grateful for everything you two do to bring sanity to a seemingly insane world This donation is the least I can do to thank you both all I ask for in return is a simple karma and the hope that the two of you will carry on for as long as you can and he came in from Minnesota which is quite a drive we appreciate that you've got karma Sir Knight of the Eastside's $100 and then we had the father-son duo Mark and Michael Halb, Halbie, and they had a very interesting idea. They had a whole stack of 3D printer tags. You may have seen one of the pictures on Twitter. You know, Respect, Resist We Much, In The Morning. And they had this big bowl and they said, you know, grab any tag you want, value for value, throw whatever money you want into the bucket.

1:00:48 And 33% of all online orders goes to the show, so they have more of them at noagendatags.com. So they hauled in 190 bucks on the evening. And so that was donated to the show. Very nice. Sir John and Dame Amy of House Punu. Yeah, Sir John and Dame Amy of House Poonoo, $200, and Dame Amy was very adamant that this be applied to her donations and not to Sir John. Let's see, I don't think we had any other notes there. Dave Albrecht, $200, and he will be knighted today, and he wants spreadsheets and ghost guns on the

1:01:41 at the round table and he will become Sir Dude named Dave Doer of Deeds of the Great Plains. And let's see, he wanted a mac and cheese, a money shot, and a rubalizer, which I happen to have ready for everybody right here. Few slaves could get used to mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Macaroni and cheese with cheddar melted together. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. India, Tango, Mike, stand by. 33, 33, 33.

1:02:16 You've got karma What I couldn't find was the Hey, where'd that go? Where did the where the money shot go? Darn it. All right. I'll owe him the money shot So we'll see you at the roundtable later sir Dave sir Benjamin T Ritgers He's a guy who's been around he gave us a couple of cool challenge coins to divvy up and $200 and one cent and See, I think he had a quick note Yes, here he is to John Adam, thank you for the show it keeps me sane keeps my amygdala strong and small Hopefully I hope the place in Des Moines. I I

1:03:15 Shows pleased everyone. Oh, I guess the sir Benjamin took care of this multiple people who are working on this one Can I please get a reverend al respect? Enclosed is a few challenge coins of groups that I'm in and a bottle of Iowa wine which I think is Craps have you ever heard of this this particular apps craps wine CR a PPS No, never heard of it But you know that you can grow wine in lots of parts of the country if you use the right grape Okay, and we will definitely give you a karma You've got karma Okay, then we have sir Whitney night of the douchebag call out you didn't do that that's coming up right here. Oh

1:04:03 Sir Whitney, Knight of the Corn Belt, conspiracies and smoking hot wife Amy. First of all Adam, thanks for coming to the Midwest. A pleasure to meet you in Des Moines. Hope you and Tina enjoyed the awful winter weather. Yes we did. This donation amounted to celebrate the fourth birthday of our first human resource, Warner. That'll be February 27th. We were both avid listeners began listening very shortly after his birth the poor kid has been listening to you guys his whole life His jingle requests are mac and cheese bugs bugs bugs goats scream orange man bad and butt slammed He often refers to butt slamming people and we have to gently remind him. He shouldn't say that around other people Kidding douchebag call this he's gonna be one what I

1:04:48 I know, well, he says he can do it. Very precocious at one. I kind of like it. Um, douchebag call outs to my brother Calvin and my friend and drummer Nate and partials, partials? I don't think we do partial douchebagging. Partials to my dad and Dan because I make them listen to you guys at work. Okay. Two partials is a full one together. Thank you very much, sir. Bugs! Bugs, bugs, bugs! Tastes like poo. Orange man bad. Whoa! You got butt-slammed! You've got karma. Okay, Dave and Diane Holst. Which I have somewhere. Okay.

1:05:49 I don't know. I guess I misplaced that one. Alright. Send it in again to me, Dave and Diane, but thank you very much for your $333.33 and a Karma to you as requested. You've got karma. And then we get Paul Richardson, who was knighted at the meetup. He was knighted circutious root... How do I pronounce this? C-U-I-T-O-U-S. Cir... Cir... Circu... Circu... Cir... Circuitous? Circuitous. Circuitous, thank you. Circuitous. What does circuitous mean? If I'm talking, I'm gonna tell you a story about how I got from point A to point B, but instead I take a circuitous route of telling the story. It becomes a shaggy dog story and I finally tell you how I got there. Ah, okay. Got it. Makes total sense. It makes no sense. Yeah, it does. For him it does. So he's a circuitous

1:06:48 Sir Q-diss route of the scooter clubs and we'll be knighting him on the show as well later on $375. Thank you the anonymous procrastinator Sent us a nice tender thoughts card. He just wanted a deducing You've been deduced Thank you for your courage in the amazing product truly is the best podcast in the universe I just got his massive deducing as requested I have been a long-time listener and this will be my first donation. I already feel better by stepping across the divide and joining of the Value for Value Fellowship. Your show never ceases to amaze me. The combination of stellar sound quality, insightful discussion, introduction, and updates of world events being ignored by the M5M make your show personally irreplaceable.

1:07:36 I really appreciate the movie and book recommendations. Keep them coming. Although I do kind of miss the second half of show stories. Amen Fist Bump. Kind regards, the anonymous procrastinator. P.S. I hope to drop a five hundo in the hands of JCD at a future meetup. And he wants some small business jobs, Karma, and just send your cash. What else did he want here? Foamer and a goat scream. So we'll... add the goat scream to your karma and that was $500 from the anonymous procrastinator. Thank you very much, sir, for your courage. And finally on our list, Brianonymous.

1:08:28 $500 and he needs douchebag call out to the anonymous procrastinator for not donating. Now you gotta de-douche him. Yes, exactly right. You've been de-douched. That's fantastic. And he wants, he does want a karma but he doesn't want any jingles. All he wants to hear is John's chair squeak. Let me see if I can get in the right position. Yeah, I guess it's kinda good. It's not real squeaky today. It's not very squeaky at all. One note here, dear John and Adam, please use my name, Susan Bozenberg. Thank you for the sanity and insight to M5M tricks. Please also request health karma for my spouse. He's being worked up for a neuro problem which might be ALS.

1:09:24 He does not listen, but was agreeable to the five-hour drive on one condition that he got a picture with Adam. And I'm pretty sure that happened. And she wanted to have a Clippity-Clop, which is good. We haven't heard Clippity-Clop in a while. And also a Rub-A-Lizer, which doesn't happen very often. And a two to the head. India, Tango, Mike, standby, 33, 33, 33, Robilizer out. The message is clear.

1:10:06 You've got karma. And that's just about do it. One final thank you to the producer whose name I did not get. He didn't write it down anywhere. He gave me, he works for the Des Moines International Airport crash and fire rescue. So when you crash your plane, he goes and gets you. And he actually said, hey, have you ever declared an emergency? I said, no. He said, well, when you do, I'm the guy that comes out looking for you. And so he gave me one of those cool patches for my flight jacket. So oh, cool. Thank you very much. And thanks, everybody. Thank you all so much for coming. I might have missed one or two people. Let us know. Email us. We'll definitely try and fix that. And I want to thank Tina the Keeper for being a fantastic help.

1:10:53 I don't think I, you know, if it was just me by myself, it would have been hard to just maneuver around and you know, she was making sure I talked to everybody and she was helping out with all the pictures and it was really a great event and I want to thank everyone for coming out, especially those who came from so far away. And wait, there's more. Oh. There's a meetup coming up in, okay, I put this in a note. There's a meetup coming up in Austin, I believe. This Saturday. Friday. Saturday. Saturday. Uh-huh. And that meetup in Des Moines was quite successful, but it's been the Texans who have been moaning and groaning and moaning and groaning and moaning and groaning about not having a meetup. They have to top this. They have to, so we need more than 70 people to show up.

1:11:48 And we have a special guest star appearing at the Austin, Texas meetup. Yeah? Yeah, besides Tina the Keeper, of course. Eric DeShill will be joining us. Ah, Eric DeShill will keep things in line. I think he's coming to check on me, to make sure we're doing everything the way we're supposed to. So looking forward to that. Eric DeShue will be at the meetup. That'll be at the Austin Beerworks on the 2nd of March. That's this Saturday. It starts at 3.33 p.m. Looking forward to seeing everybody there. Austin Beerworks. Go to noagendameetups.com to find out more. And now let us thank our executive producers and associate executive producers for episode 1115. Yes, starting with Sertaki. Sertaki.

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1:18:57 So hopefully we'll do another one in Iowa in the future. Actually, no agenda people that go to these meetups and start the meetings, even though you don't meet everybody, you meet a lot of them, they get along famously and sometimes you end up with a situation like Local One up in Michigan. They have meetups like every month. Yeah, and then just they create their own little groups and just hang out. Very social operation. And there's plenty of producers here in Iowa itself and many of them were there. And so I think that they could certainly have their own local Iowa one. But again, it was just really nice to have everybody flow in. And... Local two. Local two. Local two. I'm sorry. We know who owns local one. It'll be local two, of course. Yeah, that's a union state. They're not going to put up with this sort of thing.

1:19:41 We will be back on Thursday for another episode of the Best Podcast in the Universe. You are more than welcome to support the work. Please consider doing that at... And you are now well up to speed on a lot of what's going on. You can take that and propagate. The formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Whoa! You got butt-slammed! Shut up, snake! Oh, I have an update. We were talking about the douchebag reporting from Tucker Carlson regarding Scromiding, the screaming and vomiting combo, which supposedly takes place when you smoke too much weed.

1:20:38 And this has an actual name, cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, CHS. And I called Bullshit on it the first time, I called Bullshit on it the second time that it came up, particularly because, I don't know what Tucker Carlson's problem is with weed, but he has such a disdain for it. But he was very specific, him and his staff doctor, this came from smoking too much weed. That's the way you recall it as well, John? That is the way I recall it. Now, I want to interject here that there have been some instances in certain states, although I think this may be exaggerated too, where people have too many edibles because it takes two hours before they take effect and after an hour nothing happens, so they take more and then still nothing happens, so they take more and the next thing you know they're gone. I had three of our producers email me and they all had very similar notes.

1:21:36 You're mocking this it's true. It is true. I had it. I was screaming and puking I lost 35 pounds It was the most horrible experience ever and like what I've never heard of this I it's in and I am a daily Pretty much daily smoker of the flower the holy earth 35 pounds well this went on for weeks Oh weeks, okay I figured out what's going on. This is not, repeat, not from people smoking weed. This is from people who dab. And now I understand the problem. And if you don't know what dabbing is, dabbing is an extraction, well it's a smoking wax, essentially THC wax, which is hash oil, they call it wax, but it's hash oil, which is extracted using butane. So it's butane hash oil extracts.

1:22:32 People are also using propane now to extract it. And this is, and I've had some of this, I've smoked some wax, and I was like, this is not weed. This is like some chemical, I mean, it's incredibly strong, and it's not pleasurable. But I think that there's this, you know, there's this contingent of people who really love this chemically treated marrow hash oil, hemp oil. Can I stop? Please. Did all three producers send you the pretty much the same note and did all three producers imbibe through this method? Yes.

1:23:11 So none of them were smoking. I mean to me smoking dope, smoking weed, smoking the reefer, any of these things entails making a small cigarette and then smoking it like as if it was something cigarette-like. Yes. And that to me is smoking. This is like the difference between cocaine and crack. Yeah, in a way that's similar. Now this is typically, and if you want to know where a lot of these so-called vape pen explosions come from, a lot of the dabbers use very high powered battery vape systems known as mods.

1:23:51 which can be very dangerous if they don't have protection for overload. And they put a little bit of the wax there on the coil and then it heats it up because of the, essentially, the short circuit you're creating with a lithium ion battery, and then that is inhaled. But that's not the same as marijuana. So regardless of whether it's coming from some cannabinoid product, it is not, repeat, not from smoking weed. And so, which makes Tucker Carlson's report even stupider, especially because he had a doctor there. It is true that a hot shower helps and people do have severe reaction to it, which... Well, this sort of practice should be discouraged by Tucker Carlson. Exactly. Not used as evidence against the whole everything. Exactly. I consider that to be...

1:24:44 dishonest reporting. There is one other thing that one of our producers sent this in he says what's happening now is in California growers you know there's all kinds of rules and regulations so if they have moldy marijuana or stuff that may be the caterpillars they've apparently they have a caterpillar issue and they're eating up all of the Profits. Yeah, eating up the crops. So then these growers, when they can't sell them into the official market, they will basically hand them off to the extractors, the BHO butane hash oil extractors, which then ends up in the vape cartridges, which are legal to buy.

1:25:27 And you know, and then you've got some contaminated shit that you're inhaling again through a vaporizer. People, just get the flour. That's the way it was intended. You don't need anything extra, just the flour. And you're right, roll it up, and that's the way to go. And all this other stuff is... I think you're playing with your life, and I cannot recommend it. End of lecture. Yes, end of lecture and end of looking out for the reefer madness of Fox News and Tucker Carlson. It's wrong. Well, I have my theory on that already. Well, go ahead. Well, I told it before. This is all because of the O'Reilly market, which is what, because Carlson took over the O'Reilly spot and everybody who listens to that moment expects anti-marijuana propaganda. You're right. You're right. Well, screw him.

1:26:21 Hey, so there's an Israeli trip to the moon coming finally. They gotta go check on the moon bases, see how they're doing. But apparently they can't get there, they have to go whipping around around the earth like for a month and then get slingshot it out to the moon because we don't make a big rocket anymore. The big Saturn 5 rocket that was used to go to the moon. And if you ever look at a rocket comparison chart, you see rocket rocket Titan 2, you see all these rockets and there's a Saturn 5 monstrosity, which is the biggest thing ever built. And they can't build them anymore because it costs too much. Season 70s made the trip to the moon in three days, thanks to giant Saturn 5 rockets.

1:26:59 Without that kind of boost, the Israeli craft has to orbit Earth in growing circles until lunar gravity finally pulls it in in April. I can't wait for rockets to not be making it, to be crashing, blowing up, stuff to go wrong. It's not going to happen. I am now more convinced than ever when I read through in between the lines of all these, oh, we're going back to the moon after, what is it now, 50 years? Woohoo! Let's see you do it. Please land with one of those lunar modules. Can't wait. I'm skeptical as you can tell. Yeah, it's nothing new. How about here's a clip. I put these clips and I pre-produce them now the day before so sometimes I forget what they're about.

1:27:47 So I'm not sure what the Deborah Eisenstadt on sexism weirdo clip is. Let's see what it is. To be honest, I was battling a lot of sexism on... while I made this. Really? Yeah. How so? Who is Deborah Eisenstadt? Oh, okay, stop. Stop that clip. Alright. That clip, I'm saving that clip to use in conjunction with the Amelia Clark clip. Okay. At a moment in time where we're talking about this topic because now I know what it is. I'm sorry that I should have not forgotten. Okay, you want to redeem yourself with something else? Yes, I got Jill Abramson. I knew you would have time for this. Thank you so much because this was a C-SPAN thing and I certainly wasn't able to do it.

1:28:30 Well, I got one, two, three, they're short. Except one, no, two of them are long, actually two minutes, but one, two, three, four, plus two fabulous ISOs. Wow. And it's the ISOs you're going to probably like the most. Okay. But she talks a lot about, you know, we didn't care too much about her going on and on about what was and what wasn't plagiarism, but she did lose the plot. You know, we talked about, we had the clip from the CanadiaLand podcast where they talk about how Jill said that she sent the thing to Vice and then never got anything back. That's not true. That whole clip from CanadiaLand was very dubious.

1:29:11 Unfortunately, when she starts talking about it in this particular clip where she loses the plot, she loses her train of thought and the woman who's interviewing her, which is the old NPR CEO, who's the one who said that advertising was- Oh, the one from advertising? Oh, what's her name again? No, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Doesn't really matter. But she sounds like, you know, the same way. I'll think of her name as we go. But watch how she loses the plot. And then the interviewer, which is this ex NPR woman. If you're losing your train of thought and you're the interviewer, that's a problem. That's a problem. It's pretty much the interviewers purview to bring you back in the line. Yeah.

1:29:56 with some, you know, memorable anything. You try to trigger this. No, never happens. We don't even get the end of the story. Advice because I saw my portrait over all of them as being balanced and well, you do, you do document a lot of missteps and you know, some of the internal issues around what you said, we're going to go back to that issue, but that is why I gave in manuscript version the three chapters of vice to the then spokesman of Vice to rake over. Her fry is on fire. They did and I am so certain that I may they didn't give me anything in writing whereas the other place I gave manuscript pages was at the Times which came back pretty comprehensively and in writing so it's possible because I'm better

1:30:59 on print than through my ears, although I do listen. So each news organization saw the chapters. An editor at each one, I asked. But anyway, what point were we on? That we were talking about Chartbeat and analytics. That BuzzFeed has been able to embrace and harness this to, well, for a long time. That was all. Vivian Schiller is her name. Yeah, Vivian Schiller. She couldn't get her back on track. In fact, she even pushed her off the track by going on about stuff that wasn't even discussed. But anyway, so she talks about some good stuff here. Here's what she did. This starts off with the discussion of how luxury watches started being covered on the New York Times for no good reason. And then she begins to talk about how analytics has affected coverage and why Trump gets so much negative publicity.

1:31:56 I didn't know any of this, because I haven't been in a newsroom probably for over, well over a decade. But I had no idea that, for example, apparently at the Washington Post they have a board. It's like the Max Headroom movie where the ratings are the, oh we got so many clicks on story number five, let's do another story like that. Oh really? Oh goodness. Listen to this, this is the luxury watches clip. watches, luxury watches. Desperately needed journalistic. Well, you know, Bill Keller and my collective view was like there is nothing really newsworthy about watches. But that was the point, of course. But, you know, that does run in the Times now. And it's still

1:32:41 You know rankles me and you know I was probably not the executive editor Match perfectly with my time Challenge the access, the newsroom's access to analytics on how stories are performing. You talk about an episode where it was introduced at the Washington Post and... Well now, you know, they have these big boards. You see by the second what stories are being done and that may, dare I say, help explain why sometimes when I'm on the Post's app

1:33:26 I have to scroll like maybe twice, sometimes three times, because they mix opinion with news on one of their apps. It's all Trump, because, you know. And maybe Trump is, you know, he's obviously the master newsmaker and that's exactly what he wants. But all of those stories are getting like big audiences and lots of clicks. You know, there is an implied incentive to have so many. And at The Times, you know, I have a friend who still works there who admitted to me that when they aren't writing on Trump and something else like on Chartbeat or now The Times journalists can easily have access to analytics.

1:34:21 Okay, so breaking this down, what she's saying is, and it's hard for people who are new to Jill Abrams to understand what she's talking about. So the journalists write stories, there's an analytics board in the newsroom that shows whose story is getting the most reads, clicks, whatever. And then that's the incentive for them to go and do more of that, which for their audience, of course, is Trump. Yeah, clicks. Yeah. Chris Clay, who we don't even know if it's reads just clicks. Well, this is like, that's going to kill them, man. That's, that's going to kill all news. I agree because this is something that I, that was, I started writing on the, on the web early and I've always wanted to see what the analytics were because I always, I, I kind of wrote clickbait style headlines and still do. And, uh,

1:35:17 I can see where you would start to think that, oh, this one worked, this one didn't. And they kind of encourage that in magazines because they want to keep everyone... Ah, but wait, you're saying something important here. It's not the article, it's the headline. Well, there's always the headline. But the clicks, their analytics are on the clicks and the clicks are going to be on the headlines, not on the story. And we don't know if someone necessarily read the story, do we? In their newsroom analytics big board? This thing called chart stat or whatever it is, I don't know what these systems do anymore, but I would assume they probably emphasize headline writing and that's why headline writing is so important. It's got to be, yeah. But it's always been that way, except you never got the feedback.

1:36:01 And it wasn't so encouraged, not everybody can write good headlines. That's why for most writers the headlines aren't written by the writers, they tend to be written by the editors. And even though some editors cannot write very good headlines either, some can write fabulous headlines. But very few. This is needle watching. This is like, again, Max Headroom, where if you remember that movie, especially the movies, much better than the TV show was. Rent that movie if you've never seen it. It's like real time TV where they just, you know, the ratings are in real time. So there's a meter going on constantly. You talk about something else and then the meter goes up. Talk about something else that goes up higher and then it starts dropping off. You're fired. You know, just not the Tudor own horn. But I think our analytics are the only ones that are really truthful and honest. And that's why we're transparent about them. If if we can't, we don't get enough support to pay rent, then we're not doing it. Then we're doing something wrong.

1:37:02 It's that simple. So let's play her on that. They're talking about what model works for the news business. And there's a kind of a fundamental mistake made here by the interviewer, what's her name? Vivian. Vivian Schiller. She jumps, I mean, I can see why she jumped to this conclusion. What Jill said and what Vivian assumes and what Jill then confirms kind of misses the major point which I'm going to point out. 709 million in earnings per week. It's extraordinary. Do you think that is a model that can work for other, for news organizations everywhere? I wish I did. Me too. The problem is that only

1:37:48 news companies that do journalism at the highest quality levels and you know publish stories that you can't find anywhere else the model will work but you think it's only a matter of quality? I do. Wait a minute, what are they saying now? They're talking about what model works for the news business because the New York Times did 708 or some $700 million plus in digital subscriptions. Does that model with that model is it possible that everyone can make this kind of money and she says no So you can listen the whole clip again, you know And she's because we you know, we do something the other papers can't do which is we have a big they have a they do they have a large staff of people and they dig into things a little more and they have bureaus all over the place and Smaller places can't do that. They're probably gonna all die, but there's a mistake being made in here. So play the whole clip again Okay, hold on

1:38:53 Shoot, hold on a second. Oh, yes, model. Here we go. 709 million in earnings per week. It's extraordinary. Do you think that is a model that can work for other, for news organizations everywhere? I wish I did. Me too. The problem is that only news companies that do journalism at the highest quality levels and You know Publish stories that you can't find anywhere else The model will work But you think it's only a matter of quality. I think that's oh I see so it's only because they're so incredibly good and

1:39:40 No, no. What it was is what Jill answered was the reasons were is because of high quality and things you can't find elsewhere. Right, exclusive. And then Vivian says, oh, do you think it's only because of high quality? No, that's not what Abrams said. Abramson. That's not what she said. She said high quality and information that can't be found elsewhere. Right. Well, it's the information that... Why would it be... It's information that can't be found elsewhere that's the key to this. The quality is just secondary.

1:40:17 Yeah, the joke of it is all the information that the New York Times has that can't be found elsewhere comes from multiple people familiar with the situation and people who would not go on record. We're talking about the finished product, not the bad sourcing. In fact, your point actually makes the high quality thing take a back seat because high quality is not saying, oh, this guy, according to sources, we think this guy, we think that, or having people make stuff up like that editorial. So that quality at the New York Times is not great, but what makes it all work is that they do have stories you can't find any place else. Yeah, they're bull crap, but they're... And that's why the Wall Street Journal did the paywall made it work because the Wall Street Journal has a lot of reporters digging up stuff you can't find any place else. The quality, be damned, it's not about the quality.

1:41:12 It's just about the exclusive of the stories which could also just be playing into your own little bias bubble, but that's neither here nor there. I just think that Vivian blew the... for some reason she had it in her mind that it had to be quality, quality, quality. So you can write the most quality, high quality stuff. You know, you want high quality stuff? Go buy a book. Yeah. That's your high quality right there. Okay, so let's go. This is the last one. Now this is where I think she got fired. I mean she bitched about not getting enough money, but I think this last one the natist says natist the native ad summary on Jill is how this is this is the problem that the New York Times has digital world that we're living in today, which brings some advantages much is getting lost and at risk is is that journalistic ethics and

1:41:59 has become compromised. Is that, did I get that right? More complicated, for sure. More complicated than compromise. There are certain things where I think there's been a compromise, but they aren't things that are directly tied to the news reports of these places themselves. It has more to do with something called native advertising or branded advertising. And so talk about what that is in case what that is is advertising that very closely mimics

1:42:38 the publication or video that the advertising is appearing next to. It may be advertising like in the New York Times or the Washington Post that has a byline and you know it and the quality is very good it's just and and it is identified at the times they call them paid posts. I had wanted When this was under discussion at the Times and I didn't want to do any native advertising, but that was going to be a battle. I lost. You're right, there it is. I wanted it, you know, the little label to say ad or advertising.

1:43:21 And it was horrible. It's called paid posts. Yeah, yeah. And so what bothers me about that is, you know, there has been no scandal about these ads so far. I worried there might be. But it is something that could sow confusion in the minds of an audience or readers. And, you know, they're the people I care most about. That's true of the mistakes I've made. I mean, it's my readers who I really owe an I'm sorry to.

1:43:58 Yes, she got fired. So do you think these 700 million dollars is just? Subscriptions or does that include native advertising? Oh, it's course it includes lots of native more than Scott's all advertising and Nate Yeah, but they make it sound like cuz I read the you know the news about this They make it sound like haha. We've got digital. We've got digital subscribers, baby This is we're making bank. We we've cracked the nut we know what's going on, but that money is also coming from native ads and You want to read an article in the New York Times and you run out of your get your four of a limit you get free for a month and then for free a month right you go to a private browser just click on private browser on your browser and then put the URL in there you'll be able to read it fine. There's also all kinds of I think even Safari will do this when you can say oh yeah I just want an easy to read screen version and it will actually bypass the paywall in many cases it does that for WAPO.

1:44:53 Okay, so let's listen to the two ISOs I've got. The first one... Well, before we go to the ISOs, let me remind everybody of Vivian Schiller, since we're talking about advertising and native advertising, when she was still the boss of NPR, here's what she said. Okay, moving on to money. How are NPR's corporate underwriting revenues holding up in the recession? And what about foundation grants? Two different stories. Underwriting is down. It's down for everybody. I mean, this is the area that is most down for us. It's in sponsorship, underwriting, advertising, call it whatever you want. We'll call it advertising if you don't mind, Vivian, because that's what it is. That's your PBS.

1:45:40 So okay, we got two of them here. One is Jill Rakeover. T-Rakeover. Okay, there's that one. Wow! I remember that in the piece. It sounded just like it. Alright. You have another ISO? Yeah, this one's under Abramson. This is Abramson. Abramson, you just play this one, you'll crack up. Sorry, my voice is getting a little froggy. No kidding. I'm sorry. I like the other one better. Well, the other one is probably funnier. The Rakeover. Yeah, this is a dynamite for end of show ISO. To Rakeover. Good job, John. You did get up early this morning to do some work. I appreciate it. Oh man. You know, that whole segment would have been half as long if it wasn't for the vocal fry.

1:46:39 Yeah, actually it would have been half as long unbelievable. Hey we had the big Samsung Galaxy s10 5g introduction the other day Yeah? Yeah, you wanna hear a little bit of what this 5G is gonna bring us? How fantastic this is going to be? Are you excited? Are you pumped? Are you ready for 5G? 5G, huh? You ready? I'm getting tinnitus already. We've talked a lot today about the future. A future where our smartphones are more than just smartphones. And by the way, this introduction of Samsung, it was more flashy than I've ever seen from Apple.

1:47:16 They had somehow the whole stage, it was huge. The whole stage, the sides of the stage, the floor, the back, everything was one giant screen, which I guess Samsung knows how to do. Let's stop for a second. Apple has kind of frozen in time. Yes. And I won't even say it's the last of the Steve Jobs presentations, but if the presentations done in the 90s late 80s and 90s, as pretty far as Apple ever went. And everything since then has been derivative. It's the same, you know, the black, the black turtleneck, you come walking out, you bring a couple of slobs out to talk about something or other. It's just, it's dated. It's very dated.

1:48:02 Yeah, well this presentation is also dated in that way, particularly because it's the big fanfare, it's all of the flashy stuff, it's the screen on the stage. But then the guy who's presenting is just some numb-nucked VP, you know, he has no real stage presence. But it doesn't matter because it's 5G. It's going to change the world. A future led by a generation that expects more from their technology. They expect more from their technology. A future where all our devices, including the ones we wear, are seamlessly connected. Oh yes. But to make that future possible, we need one more essential element. What could that be? A next-generation mobile network. That network, and the key to our connected future, is 5G.

1:48:50 Now, back in the day, first generation networks basically let us make phone calls without the cords. Second generation networks introduced mobile data and that ushered in an era of texting. It changed the way we communicate. 3G made connecting to the internet on the go a reality. It made mobile email and web browsing the new norm. And over the last decade, 4G paved the way for a new app economy, the rise of social media, and streaming music and video. Oh, I can't wait. What will 5G bring us? My goodness, it must be, it's just, it's gonna be mind-blowing. Each network evolution has been accompanied by a mobile revolution. And 5G represents our biggest step forward yet.

1:49:35 First off, it'll be faster than any network we've ever seen. Oh, faster! John, it'll be faster. What can that possibly mean? Roughly 20 times faster. Oh my god! Than 4G. Second, it'll be capable of just a millisecond of latency. Which is the amount of time between an action and a reaction. Well, this sounds like I need to have it. And that opens the door for some incredible new possibilities. Oh my god, what can we do with this? like remote surgery, cloud gaming, and autonomous driving. Well, that's the future right there, everybody. I need one immediately. Cloud gaming?

1:50:12 Autonomous vehicles and remote surgery. Maybe it should be in the other order. It's cloud gaming, autonomous vehicles, and then you'll need some remote surgery after all of that kills you. In third, it can bring on... Yes. ...as many as 1 million devices per square kilometer. That's 10 times more than what's possible today. Soon, network congestion will be a thing of the past. A network congestion will... Well, I thought net neutrality solved that already. It'll be a thing of the past. That's ten times more than what's possible today. Soon network congestion will be a thing of the past. 5G will change everything. It'll enable us to connect and communicate in entirely new ways. He doesn't really say how, but they keep promising. It'll empower creators and innovators to bring to life ideas we never thought possible. Oh John, just imagine what you and I could do if only we had more speed and more less

1:51:13 Something? Congestion. Congestion? Take a pill. You and I will be able to do things we never envisioned before with our show. And it's true, it won't happen overnight. Oh. It'll be step by step. Hold on a second. Did anybody yell that... No. Why did he say yes it's true? Who is he responding to? Very good catch. Some imaginary person? No, he's responding to those douchebags on noagenda who are playing his clip that's interactive. This is what you can do with 5G. You can respond to clips in real time. Everything. It'll enable us to connect and communicate in entirely new ways. It'll empower creators and innovators to bring to life ideas we never thought possible.

1:51:56 And it's true, it won't happen overnight. It'll be step by step. And the whole tech industry... Inch by inch, slowly I turn... ...has been laying the groundwork for 5G for decades. And Samsung, we've helped lead the way. Alright. So this is... We're just talking about decades, so decades meaning more than one, so two decades. 20 years ago they were... doing 5G? Well, this is a product launch so he's totally full of crap but 5G is the hip term that everyone's talking about. So hip in fact that CBS was able to grab the founder of Huawei, yes we continue with the guy whose name we can't pronounce, with more

1:52:39 incredibly innovating information about 5G and the 5G networks and in this CBS This Morning piece they went all out. 5G is the latest high-speed mobile innovation promising to multiply wireless internet speeds and increase coverage. Now we are rolling out 5G and soon we'll welcome 6G. I got a lot of grief from people for us laughing about Trump saying 5G, 6G. And, you know, listen, yes, there will be 6G and there will be 7G, but this is bullshit. 5G isn't really even a thing yet. We haven't really agreed in the entire industry as to what that exactly is going to be. So it's easy to say 6G.

1:53:28 But it doesn't mean anything. 5G and soon will welcome 6G. And in the future, I said there will be new equipment that is suitable for the United States. But US intelligence agencies are concerned about Huawei's 5G growth. Former CIA acting director Michael Morell. Now I want you to listen very closely to what Mike Morell says. So he's trying to tell us that the danger of a 5G network rolled out on Huawei machinery would be very dangerous to our national security. But what he says is a little more egregious. ...about Huawei's 5G growth. Former CIA acting director Michael Morell. 5G is going to allow a much larger number of devices to be connected to the Internet. When you connect more devices, you create more platforms from which an intelligence service can spy from. The Trump administration

1:54:25 So he doesn't say the Chinese no, he's talking about himself or is his former his former agency? He's admitting it right there. You know, 5G, we can spy easier on you. Yeah. That's exactly what he's saying. You connect more devices, you create more platforms from which an intelligence service can spy from. The Trump administration has warned its allies that it may reconsider its military relationships with countries that use Huawei. I hadn't heard this actually. Yeah. So like he's tying 5g Huawei machines to NATO or something like if if you use Huawei then we won't protect you Yeah, something like that nice. We cannot ensure the defense of the West

1:55:11 if our allies grow dependent on the east. Do you view that as a threat? First of all, I would like to thank them because they are great figures. 5G was not known by common people, but now these great figures are all talking about 5G and we're becoming more influential and getting more contracts. I sense a little bit of sarcasm there. Oh, please tell them I'm actually thanking them for promoting us. They've been regarding 5G as the technology at the same level of the some other military equipment. 5G is not an atomic bomb. Despite warnings from the Trump administration, some of our European allies, including Germany and the UK, are reportedly considering allowing Huawei to build their high-speed infrastructure. For Ren, despite all

1:56:06 the criticism from the administration, he knows his company's future in America is in the president's hands. You speak very highly of President Trump, yet he is likely to issue an executive order banning your company from doing any business in the United States. How do you square the two? Well, we have never had many sales in the United States, but we didn't give up our efforts in this country. Guys, okay. I mean, I'd say he's, I like his attitude about it. It's like, I don't care. But as far as I know, everyone in Europe is going with Huawei. They're not, they're not backing down. Germany's not backing down. That's because it's cheaper. Yeah. A lot. What I did find quite humorous was, uh, after coming out of this package, Gail there on CBS this morning, uh,

1:56:58 Do you recall the the Huawei founders name again? We talked about it the last show No, what was your take on? Mr. Huawei because And no one blinked an eye Okay Mr. Huawei That's almost kind of racist. I'm just saying well that she's the racist. There you go. Um, I I don't get the appeal, for example. I think Morrell's, you know, when he says it just gives you more ways to spy on it. You mentioned this, you put your little pie hole up and then you walk past the nest thing and then it sends certain sending signals. He just walked past me. Yes. We had him located. He's in the bedroom now. Yeah. Why does anybody, I mean,

1:57:50 I don't get it. Why does anybody think that this is a good idea to have your house so wired? And I've written about this where I believe the great hacks of the future are gonna be somebody who finds somebody with a completely automated house, turning their lights on and off, turning the heat up to 90, and then opening, closing, and opening, and closing, perpetually opening and closing the garage door. That's already happening. Yeah, well I mean this is what you do. It seems to me this would be the target if I was one of those kids, bored, bored high schooler that knew how to do all this stuff and you know, I would be doing, that's what I'd be doing. Well I talked to a lot of the kids at the... Why hacking? I talked to a lot of the kids at the wedding that we were at, because you know, we were definitely the old fogies in the room. These kids don't care. They don't care.

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2:08:29 Very happy. We're patched, we're secure, we're good to go. Patched? Patched. We are patched, baby. Patched. So even though we thought he was always running... Oh, by the way, just before we go into the next segment, I want to talk about credit cards and they haven't stolen. This still works as far as I know. I was told this at a lecture I heard from the then CEO of American Express. And people can try it. And the trick is if you want to get your card pulled out of the blue, You buy two tanks of gas. In other words, you buy a tank full of gas and another tank full of gas. And then, and then, aren't you supposed to buy sneakers? Then you go buy sneakers. It's like, okay, done. All done.

2:09:16 Your card will get pulled instantly because it's believed that a lot of kids who steal a credit card, the first thing they do is fill up their car and then they fill up their buddy's car and then they go get some expensive sneakers at Foot Locker. Well, what they did on my card is the first thing, so I get text messages immediately and it says, Fraud alert, you have to text yes or no. Did you buy something from AM Depot for $18? I'm like, hey, I don't know. Did I buy anything online? So I go looking. Ammunition Depot. I'm like, no, I probably... But I actually said no just to make sure. I'm like, 18 bucks, I don't want... Because I know what happens the minute you say yes, your card is frozen. They stop it and you got to go through the whole rigmarole. So I'm like, no, it's okay.

2:10:07 Then it's, oh, did you buy $150 worth of makeup from L'Oreal? I'm like, okay, no, this is not me. And when I'm on the phone with the fraud detection lady, she says, oh, there's like five charges coming in now. Just rolling in one after another. So what they do is they test the card so that $18 from the online AM Depot that was actually refunded, which tells them that the AM Depot people may be complicit in the scam. It's like a whole bunch of stuff going on with that. But anyway, cash for Adam here. It's out of control.

2:10:56 card only businesses. There's a lot of restaurants and other business that want to go cashless. John Longstreet is the president and CEO of the Pennsylvania Restaurant and Lodging Association. Do you see an upside to cashless? Absolutely, because places that handle cash are less safe than those that don't have cash on hand. Everything is reported directly into the accounting system. Taxes are paid, whereas in a cash society, taxes aren't always paid. What he doesn't say is that the most important... Wait, wait, stop. How does the... in other words, what he's talking about is skimming or money laundering. Or... How does that make you less safe? Or... well, it depends on... He says it's about safety. And then he says you don't pay your taxes. Wait... Yeah, but the question is safety of who?

2:11:44 He's talking about the store owners that they're safe from their employees messing up, millennials can't count, stealing money, cash disappearing. That's what he's saying. It's not about you, the consumer, it's about the business owner. And consumers are getting used to it too. See? And now he talks about consumers. No, it's about the retail owner. That's for their safety. Screw the consumer. And they're asking for it. Cash is not accepted at Blue Stone Lane Coffee. They're not asking for it. Who's asking for it? Who's asking for what? He says. He says the consumers are asking for it. We consumers don't want cash.

2:12:28 Yeah, that's true. I really believe that to be true. Yes. Does that conclude you? Uh, no, but I'm not... It doesn't include me? Yeah, but it's the majority of just the same people who don't care about privacy are get very antsy when they're standing behind you and you pay cash and someone has to make change and they're like, hurry up, he's gotta go faster, can't you just swipe it, it's so much easier for everybody, move the line along. I'm used to it too as well and they're asking for it. Cash is not accepted in Blue Stone Lane Coffee. and it's Sweetgreen, the salad chain. Together they have six stores in Philadelphia. Nationwide, Dos Toros, Dig In, and Tender Greens now refuse paper money. Reportedly, Milk Bar, Starbucks, Amazon, Walmart, and Shake Shack have experimented with cashless stores recently. And that trend worries Philadelphia Councilman Bill Greenlee. I can go in and get a cup of coffee. I can get it because I have a credit card, but

2:13:25 But the person behind me that doesn't have a credit card is told they can't get a cup of coffee. There's something that doesn't seem right about that. According to the federal government, more than 14 million Americans don't have bank accounts. That makes getting credit cards difficult. A recent survey by the Pew Research Center found that 34% of black people, 17% of Hispanics, and 29% of people earning less than $30,000 rely on cash. This is the part that I like the most. Any store that is going cashless is racist and they need to be told that they are racist because you don't hear a single politician about this now do you? That it's racist. I like it, I like it. Yeah, racist. For all or just about all of their purchases. If it's not discrimination, it's elitism. I think government does have a place to protect people from

2:14:20 being treated fairly. Councilman Greenlee has introduced a bill that will fine businesses in Philadelphia up to $2,000 if they don't accept cash. Similar laws have been proposed in New York City, Chicago and Washington DC. A statewide ban on cashless stores is awaiting the governor's signature in New Jersey and Massachusetts has required retailers to accept cash since 1978. There you go. Well, good. How about a Venezuela update? I have one and you have, I have the one from Saturday. All right, let's go. The National Guard tear gassed protesters from both Venezuela and Colombia who tried to reach bridges between the two countries. The clashes happened in the bordering cities of Ureña in Venezuela and Cucuta in Colombia.

2:15:07 On the Colombian side of the bridges, opposition protesters tried to escort trucks with emergency food and medical aid into Venezuela using what leaders call a humanitarian avalanche. On the Venezuelan side of the border, the Venezuelan National Guard injured more than two dozen people as protesters set fire to buses. Earlier, opposition leader Juan Guaido appeared in Cucuta with the presidents of Colombia and Paraguay and called on troops and supporters of Maduro to allow the aid into Venezuela. The New York Times' Andes Bureau Chief Nicholas Casey joins us now from Cucuta, Colombia via Skype. So basically the opposition's been trying to get food past Nicholas Maduro's blockade at the borders and they haven't been able to. They've amassed hundreds of people on some of the bridges, it looks like there's been thousands.

2:15:56 But Maduro has been pretty strict about not letting the full number of aid shipments get in. You know, Nicolas Maduro this afternoon severed basically all diplomatic and political ties with Colombia. He's saying, look, this is a staging ground for violence against Venezuelans. And this is huge because Colombia Colombia and Venezuela have been at loggerheads many times before. They've even had troops on their borders during Hugo Chavez's time. And for Maduro to come out and withdraw all the diplomats, severing ties to the country right next to you is a big deal. Now, from what I understand, at least I got that from the Intercepted podcast with Jeremy Scahill, is that the, you know, that bridge they say Maduro is keeping blocked off, that that bridge has never been open. And there's another bridge a couple of miles south or north that is open for business, but for some reason they're kind of staging this protest at this bridge that has never actually been functionally working.

2:16:59 Well, to be honest about it, I think that the New York Times reporter who was there, that was given the last part of that report on PBS, would have mentioned that if, you know, maybe they tried that earlier or maybe it was Who knows but I don't believe this. Oh well it's definitely Sky Hill is part of that whole group that thinks this whole thing is a you know. Yeah is a coup. Is a scam. Well. But is a coup. Well normally, normally when you want to do something like this when you need to distract and get this going who do you call? Clooney.

2:17:45 I'm sad to report that this jingle will not be played very often in the future. It seems like Clooney is out, but we have a new guy in? None other than Richard Branson. What we hope is to draw attention to what's going on in Venezuela, to get much needed relief supplies into Venezuela. And we're hoping that this wonderful, happy, free concert will result in the soldiers on this bridge opening the bridge and hopefully tomorrow allowing supplies into the country.

2:18:22 So Richard Branson has called in to put on a free concert at the border in Colombia. Yeah, this is an interesting strategy. It's going to be streamed live. Hey man, we made it work for Live Aid. We can probably do it again. Where's Bob? Where's Bob Geldof? I gotta say, well of course the guy behind this is the neocon supreme in the White House, still very confused what he's doing there, walrus face John Bolton. We're in conversation with major American companies now that are either in Venezuela or in the case of Citgo here in the United States.

2:19:03 I think we're trying to get to the same end result here. You know, Venezuela is one of the three countries I call the troika of tyranny. It'll make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies really invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela. There you go. Look at what he's getting out of this. He's not be- well, You see what happened looks like he's not mentioned in any sex human trafficking massage parlor schemes We do have the human trafficking thing is picking up again with Julie Brown from the Miami Herald talking about the Epstein thing. Well, also the Kraft guy getting busted. Well, let's play the Kraft busted thing because I think this is funnier. I think there's something interesting happening here. Back in this country, police in Jupiter, Florida are charging the owner of the New England Patriots football team, Robert Kraft, with soliciting prostitution.

2:20:04 They say that he was captured on camera at an illicit massage parlor as part of a crackdown on sex trafficking. The charge is a misdemeanor. The 77-year-old Kraft denied any wrongdoing today. Judy is garages a misdemeanor. Why are they making such a national case out of it? Well because I'll tell you why it's because first of all, it's craft So he's buddies with Trump. This is this is hate him in Florida because they keep me Yes, dolphins and snow them and this is very close to Mar-a-Lago We have the Epstein thing bubbling under people are positioning that they can't come out and say anything just yet But this human trafficking thing is what is getting almost

2:20:46 ignored because of you know some guy there getting a hand job from From a massage parlor worker what what I think is interesting is these are all Chinese run Chinese operated the the massage Therapists are Chinese. I mean this is a huge network in my opinion you might be right I And it might be right. And it's just all that's lacking on the outside of these massage places is, you know, happy ending guaranteed. Otherwise, it's all right. It's being advertised almost on the front door. And they make a big deal out of this guy. But how about what's actually happening? The Chinese are taking... By the way, there's Chinese all over Des Moines. There's a Chinese pizzeria. Oh, God. Best price. Best price.

2:21:39 We went there yesterday, it was pretty interesting. You had a pizza? Yeah, it's complete Chinese motif. And they got three of them in Iowa. It's called Fong's Pizza. Fong's Pizza? Fong's Pizza. You should've taken some photos. We'll take one, it's right around the corner. How was the pizza? The pizza was pretty good. We just had, they had luckily on the menu just a regular kind of pizza. But you can get all kinds of crazy stuff on your pizza. And we took a few Ubers and I'm asking him this... Is it Chow Fun Pizza? What's that? Chow Fun Pizza. Chow Fun? No, I don't know. Is this a joke I'm missing? Chow Fun? Yeah, I'm sorry. No.

2:22:24 Well, let's play the, let's catch up with Epstein then. I got to Julie Brown on PBS. She's the one who wrote the article in the Miami Herald. She brought it back to the fore and they asked her about why she did it and all the rest. And you have to wonder, because there's another thing's going on in Florida. Boggles the mind though, why it took so long to come to light. So just start there. Tell us, how did you first learn about this story? Why did you start to dig at it the way you did? Well, you know, the pieces of this story, the outline of this story had been known for many, many years. A lot of journalists had written about this deal, sort of scratching their heads about how could something like this happen. And when Alexander Acosta, the Miami

2:23:07 U.S. attorney in Miami was nominated by President Trump last year as labor secretary—or in 2017, rather, as labor secretary. I sort of wanted to hear what he was going to say when he would be asked about this case. And I was kind of astonished that he wasn't asked much about it at all, and the answers that he did give really weren't responsive to the questions he was asked. And so I thought, you know, it's been a long time. This was before the Me Too movement. But I kept thinking, I wonder what these victims, these girls at the time, they were 13, 14, 15, now in their late 20s and 30s are thinking about the fact that he has advanced so far in his career after, in essence, in their minds, betraying them. So I set about trying to find out who these victims were.

2:24:00 and eventually convinced just a handful of them, quite frankly, to go public. But I spoke to many more than a handful of them. And the details that they share in those interviews with you are just so incredible, jaw-dropping. And the consistencies across so many of their stories. I want to share actually just a quick piece of one interview from one of the women you interviewed. Her name is Virginia Roberts. And here's what she told you used to happen at Epstein's house. Okay. It stopped there. Yeah, the thing that got, there's a reason I wanted to stop there and I can't remember what that reason was. Well, let me take it from here for a second. What I think this is about, and we've been, you know, the Lolita Express and Epstein and how the judges, you know, let Epstein off with a very, very light sentence for effectively being a pedophile, effectively. I don't know if that was, he actually had to agree to that. This is all about Trump.

2:24:58 They desperately, desperately, desperately want to take down Trump, even if it means they have to take down Bill Clinton, possibly Hillary Clinton. And I think the one thing in the mix is the constitutional lawyer, who was also accused of being involved in this Epstein child sex scandal, Dershowitz. And I think they're afraid because Dershowitz is threatening continuously whenever he's on television, if they let him on television. He's saying, go ahead, please get some stuff going because I will sue all of you. But that's, this is, it's all happening in this, around this one area, it's all Mar-a-Lago, it's all about Trump. They want to nail this guy. I don't think they can. He may actually not be complicit, although evidence suggests otherwise, flight logs, etc. I think that's what this is about.

2:25:48 I'm not gonna say it's not, this is all happening in Florida and I think the craft thing is part of it. But let's listen to what one of the women say and this is what brings more questions than answers. I'm in with sexual abuse and intercourse and then a pat on the back. You've done a really good job. Like, you know, thank you very much and here's $200. You know before you know it I'm being lent out to politicians and to academics and people that you Royalty and people that you just you would never think like how did you get into that position of power in the first place if you're this

2:26:28 disgusting, evil, decrepit person on the inside. Julie, women like Virginia lived for over a decade knowing that the U.S. Attorney, Alex Acosta in this case, declined to prosecute the man who abused them. When you first approached them, were they willing to talk to you? No, that was probably the hardest part, trying to convince them to trust me, because a lot, as I mentioned, there has been a lot written about the case. They have never really spoken publicly because, quite frankly, they felt that their story really had never been told. So part of what I did was I did some homework on it. I interviewed some sexual assault survivors and some counselors to try to prepare me not

2:27:13 to interview them in such a way as to get to the root of their trauma without re-traumatizing them, which was, you know, a delicate balance. Now has she done actually more... because this... they started writing this, what was it, a couple months ago. Has she done extra stuff that we haven't read before? Are there any new revelations or is she just recycling? I don't think so. I think it's just recycling. It's recycling, right? Yes, where I'm looking at it. Well, then there's a couple of things that came to mind One is that she says there's a lot of royalty. Yes Prince The Prince from Monaco, I believe the bald guy. Yeah, I think some Brits. Yeah and business guys and politicians way Yeah, I two things once she should name names. Mm-hmm. And I don't know why that hasn't happened. I

2:28:05 And if she doesn't name names, I mean, she should name names for the one sole reason not to get killed because she's holding these names back. Seems to me, well, I think these women have their lives at risk if they don't name names and get it out of the system and say, hey, I already know and you can't stop me now because I already did it. That kind of thing. I don't know what the logic is. Well, but in the articles I've read, you know, the Monaco Prince Albert, I guess it was Albert. Was he? I think it's Albert. I think it was Albert and you know there's continuous Dershowitz stories yeah and and and these are these now women are saying that these are these are the guys that they service so

2:28:54 I don't know. I still think it's all about Trump. They just want to get it down to Trump. It's about Trump. It's gotta be. It's gotta be. I gotta get rid of this guy for some reason. I'd like to know what is the real reason. Is he a known money launderer? I mean, which is a possibility since he's a real estate guy and it's a money laundering mechanism that is pretty hard to do anything about. I don't know. Or you could just go all the way with these, which I think is total bullshit, but play Trump as the Russian asset clip with Clapper. I must have missed this during my travels. Do you agree with Andrew McCain that it's possible that the President of the United States, the President, is a Russian asset? Well, I completely agree with the way Andy characterized it. You know, that it is a possibility. And I would add to that caveat that whether winning or unwitting.

2:29:48 And that is a really painful thing. Kim, hold on. This is his favorite word, witting or unwitting. I think it was wittingly. When he was asked if the NSA spied on the American people, his answer was, no, not wittingly. What is this wittingly word he likes to use? What does wittingly actually mean? It means knowingly. Hmm or unknowingly in other words. He knows he is or he doesn't know he is but he is all right well I find it an odd word that whether winning or unwitting and that is a really painful thing to say but I believe the the FBI was Institutionally obligated to do what it did and that is to investigate and to initiate an investigation and if you go back you know the long view here of the behavior of

2:30:40 of candidate Trump and then President Trump and his deference to the Russians and specifically, particularly his personal deference to Putin and his exhortation about the emails in July of 16. And then all these developments culminating in the firing of Director Comey, which he acknowledged was because of the Russian investigation. Yeah, I do agree as amazing and stunning and depressing as that is. Yeah. Yeah, that's nothing. Did you hear Michael Steele, his accusation against the president? No, I have not. This is fantastic. We had a

2:31:25 There was, I don't know if it was a six week cycle and we don't really know exactly all the details other than the FBI bravely stopped a white nationalist from killing news people and celebrities and he had a an arsenal of weapons. Oh did he now? Yes, he had an arsenal of weapons and and he had a spreadsheet and on that we've not seen any spreadsheet we've seen we've seen some guns which looks like Honestly, any one of our NOAA gender producers in the Midwest would probably have this arsenal. It wasn't, you know, it's not all that huge, but okay. The guy had some guns and immediately... Hold on, the giveaway is were they all different guns?

2:32:08 Because there are gun collectors out there. You go out shooting with them. That's why these people attract a lot of friends because it's fun to go shoot with a gun collector. They got all these different kinds of guns. That's a good question. Some guy's got a this and a that and a this and a these. A bunch of different guns. What's the point? It's not an arsenal for shooting anybody. It's just a collection of guns he likes to shoot. Well, so I don't know. All we know is that the story was we got this guy. Luckily, we got him way before he was able to act out on his spreadsheet. And that was the story. Now you didn't even hear about this did you? No, I missed it. But of course what is the problem here is when you have a white nationalist who apparently was going to kill people as president you immediately, like within 10 minutes, have to denounce this. If you don't denounce it

2:32:58 Well, then you know what you are, don't you? You're a horrible white nationalist yourself. Michael Steele was the guy in charge of the Republican National Committee. and now he's on MSNBC as a commentator. Listen to what he said about the president. He's the black guy, right? Yes, the black guy. Listen to what he said about the president not responding to this story, which you didn't even hear about. So why would we be surprised that a self-proclaimed nationalist would not speak out against a self-proclaimed white nationalist? Why are we acting like This is a space that Donald Trump is going to go in on behalf of the American ideal. No, he's not. And these are his people, all right? And he's not going to thank law enforcement because he's probably not happy about what law enforcement did. Is that where we are? That's where we are. So just so you know, he's probably not happy that law enforcement stopped this guy from, this white nationalist, from killing people.

2:33:58 So the president is not happy about that. You just just let that sink in for a second and then realize what Nicole Wallace says. Law enforcement did. Is that where we are? That's where we are. I mean, I call the space where we are where we are. I mean, I'm just not going to try to dress up and be all, you know, pie in the sky and hopeful that in the next incident Donald Trump will actually get it right, that he will have matured in his presidency enough to act like a president. But that's a brave thing to say let me let me just draw you out on that. That's so brave of you to say. He carried out his attacks what do you think the president would have done? Well that's that's the that's the next test in all of this that is the absolute that's a very good question and it's absolutely the next test because we don't we can sit here and honestly say we would hope

2:34:45 that there would be the appropriate level of outrage and pushback and all hands on deck, to your point about the Justice Department and those responding. But here we sit and we have a little question mark over, you know, a little thought bubble as a question mark. I don't know what he would do. And that's the sad spot about all of this. The president is not happy with law enforcement for stopping a white nationalist from killing people. Thank you. Thank you. Wow. Thank you Michael Steele. I feel so much safer now. I don't know what Michael Steele does anymore. He's a commentator on MSNBC. That's what he does. I guess. That's what he does. Just as a fun little joke, since no one else will do it, the best podcast in the universe might as well. I'm sure that tonight during the Oscars there will be some references to Jussie Smollett. I have a feeling.

2:35:39 I hope not. Yeah, you kind of got to expect it though. I just want to remind you when it turned out that as far as I haven't seen any more updates that Jussie Smollett orchestrated this whole hoax by himself which is egregious. Here's a shorter version of what we played on the previous show, what Don Lamond, the overnight sensation, had to say because, of course, he doesn't really know Jussie. He was on the set and he accepted the compliments from Jussie about how great Don is. But, you know, he said, really, I don't really, he's not really a friend of mine. I don't really know him. I know him. Not best friends, but I do know him. So I spoke to him while he was at the hospital.

2:36:22 His friend who was there texted me in the middle of the night and said, hey, this happened to Jussie. I called a friend, the friend happened to be there, and he, Jussie, he said, oh, Jussie's here. Here's the phone. So he told me in his own words what he said happened. But I've also got to tell you, to be quite honest, that a lot of people including people in the community. Which would mean Don himself. People of color and gay people had questions about this from the very beginning. So we heard his skeptical skepticism and like you know Don like doesn't really know Jussie but...

2:37:00 Yeah, really people in the community is very skeptical Let's go back a week before that when Don Lemon was with Jada Pinkett Smith The wife of Will Smith and she has a show called the red table talk Which is where you have to be real you got you can sit at the red table, but you got to be real You got to be real you'll be honest about your relationship And this was when we only knew that Jussie had been attacked by two white MAGA hat MAGA countries Trump supporters and this is how Don talked about Jussie then when you first heard about

2:37:37 the incident with Jesse. What was your initial reaction? My initial reaction was sadness. Wait, I thought it was skepticism. I must be wrong. I wasn't shocked. I didn't like that it happened to him. I called him because we have mutual friends. I got the friend on the phone. The friend talked to me for a minute. He goes, Jesse's here. I'm seeing the doctor and I talked to Jesse for a minute and then he said I got to go to the doctor's here. And it just made me sad. So every day I say, I know you think I'm annoying. I can show you a text. I know you think I'm annoying you, but I just want to know that you're doing OK. That you're OK. If you need somebody, you can talk to me because there are not a lot of us out there. Sometimes he responds, sometimes he doesn't. He responds and says, you are not annoying. Amazing.

2:38:29 Well, that's a different story. While John Don was skeptical and the whole community was skeptical He kept texting Jussie saying that I'm here for you. You're not alone. I'm here for you. Hey lemon Bullshit terrible Yeah, well, Bernie finally came out of the shadows and decided to announce, and there was a good little rundown on PBS because they brought in Shields and Brooks. Shields actually had very interesting observations about Bernie. and is this the

2:39:22 Bernie Sanders off in 2015 and our professional writing him off again in 2019. Bernie Sanders is cranky. Bernie Sanders is not well-groomed. Bernie Sanders just connects with voters. I mean, in 2015, the summer of 2015, he on successive nights in Portland, Seattle, and Los Angeles, this is August, 2015, drew crowds of 27,500, 15,000 and 28,000 into arenas. I mean the idea of a Democratic event in Los Angeles is basically dinner at George Clooney's house with Steven Spielberg and Barbara Streisand singing. Well for some. Yeah, but Democrats don't do big events and Bernie connected and I just point out that he raised 135 million dollars in small

2:40:14 in small contributions. I mean, he really changed it. He raised 50 million more than Donald Trump did. Is he running as a Democrat? Is that known yet? Is he going to run as an independent? Well, the Democratic Party has to deal with this Democrat socialism thing, so we don't know. And don't they have some kind of rule change I keep reading about that will make it very difficult for Bernie? No, he's going to have to be a pure Democrat if he's going to run. But you know whether he gets that far enough, but I think his point was well taken And I never thought about it much that the Democrats don't draw big crowds because that wasn't the case with Roosevelt That's true. Well. We also never saw a lot of the Bernie big crowds. Oh that was the media yeah They were gonna show us anything yeah, so we never found yeah, which would have you know who knows what would have happened I have one last clip okay, which is walls talk the PBS clip with a kicker and

2:41:12 Will I veto it? 100%. 100%. And I don't think it survives a veto. We have too many smart people that want border security. So I can't imagine it could survive a veto, but I will veto it, yes. Later in a visit to Laredo, Texas, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said there is no national emergency and that Mr. Trump created a crisis. We will be fighting him on this usurping of power of violating the Constitution of the United States in the Congress, in the courts, and with the American people. So this is a path I would not recommend he go down. I don't expect him to sign it, but I do expect us to send it.

2:41:54 Meanwhile, Pentagon officials briefed congressional staffers today on how they might implement the president's order. Lisa Desjardins spent part of the day, of her day, at the Pentagon and she joins me now. So Lisa, what are you learning about when the Pentagon plans to try to implement what the president wants? I spoke to the same senior Pentagon officials who briefed Congress. They told me this, right now they are assessing exactly what projects that are needed at the border. They're working with the Department of Homeland Security on that. They think within weeks they will have that list. Then, Judy, to my question about timing, they said they think within months they hope to be ready through an expedited process to begin some construction. So if they're going to take this money and use it to build a border wall, where is it coming from? Well, there are two large parts from the Department of Defense. One has to deal with how they fight drug trafficking. Build a border wall! Yep.

2:42:49 That's right. 10 US code 284. Your no agenda show nails it again. Not to pat myself on the back, but that's right. Alright everybody, we'll do more of that on Thursday. And a reminder that Saturday is the big Austin, Texas meetup. I want to thank Des Moines, Iowa and all of the surrounding areas and all the producers and dames and knights and barons and dukes and earls who came in. It was great to see you all. And thanks to Danny Luce, Secret Agent Paul, Tom Starkweather for the end of show mixes.

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2:45:59 This country built the most court decisions. Get a bad ruling. You're in a job interview, switch it up quick. We will possibly get a bad ruling. If the international, you know, if there was enough that we have, but we see the president stop the president because he's a free man. I'm in a place to use acts. At the end of the day, they're backing him. You know, they're backing, come on. At the end of the day. At the end of the day, John. If someone wants to get anyone, they can get him. At the end of the day. At the end of the day, it's more important that we have entertainment. At the end of the day. So, at the end of the day, who's gonna pay for the real loan? It's gonna be taxpayer money. At the end of the day. At the end of the day, that's gonna be up to Valerie Jarrett. At the end of the day. I mean, at the end of the day, isn't that it?

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