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00:00 My mind is exploding right now. Monitoring the God in the machine and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in downtown Austin, Tejas in the Clunio in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where the local Whole Foods has a sale on pepperoncini I'm John C. Dvorak It's crackpot and buzzkill in the morning I don't see how you can frequent that establishment anymore knowing how evil Amazon is

00:43 It's convenient. It's either that or sprouts. Yes, yes. Well, there was a lot of news and no news. It was very interesting. There was no news because it was all about George Herbert Walker Bush. Well, I disagree. I think there was a lot of news and not all of it was about George H.W. whatever, although most of it was, you're right. And I'll say this kind of the same thing I said about John McCain. Because it may look very odd to a lot of people, certainly don't live in the United States of Gitmo Nation. It's like, well, this guy did a lot of bad stuff. Responsible for a lot of dead people and a lot of horrific events. And yeah, that's what we do. We recognize that and we still say, hey man,

01:32 Thanks for being part of the American experience. Good work. We really appreciate it. Well, if you want to go down that road, I have the right clips. Okay, because I feel that deep in our hearts, we're like, we know it. Like, yeah, you know, that's who we are. It's not like anyone talked about the real legacy of George Herbert Walker Bush. Well, the only man who could not remember where he was the day Kennedy was assassinated. So let's start with, I have a series of clips that are quite interesting because of all the news outlets, everybody's falling all over themselves and oh, there's a great guy and great father and we get to see George W. kind of sob a little bit. When I heard it, because I didn't see him with his eulogy, but I heard it and it sounded like laughter for a moment.

02:27 Of course when you see it you realize it isn't but it was no jarring close So let's start with and I've got these aptly named baby killers in Kuwait one one intro Yes, what intro? We look back now at a largely forgotten aspect of Bush's war on Iraq, the vast domestic propaganda campaign that occurred in the United States before the invasion began. The story centers on a young Kuwaiti woman named Nayyira. On October 10th, 1990, the 15-year-old girl gave riveting testimony before Congress about the horrors inside Kuwait.

03:08 after Iraq invaded. Wait a minute, this was on Judy's show? No, not Judy. No, this is Democracy Now. So she actually went back to that during this time of... Oh my goodness! Everybody fell all over themselves except the socialist communists on Democracy Now. They decided why, why? What difference does it make? Why should we be doing that? So then they did a very nice four-part piece. Oh, that's fantastic. Even though it is completely un-American what they're doing, it's highly appreciated. Good job. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, my name is Nayyira and I just came out of Kuwait. My sister with my five-day-old nephew traveled across the desert to safety. There was no milk available for the baby in Kuwait. They barely escaped when their car was stuck in the desert, desert sand, and help came from Saudi Arabia.

04:05 I stayed behind and wanted to do something for my country. The second week after invasion, I volunteered at the Al-Adan Hospital with 12 other women who wanted to help as well. I was the youngest volunteer. The other women were from 20 to 30 years old. While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers coming to the hospital with guns. They took the babies out of incubators, took the incubators and left the children to die on the cold floor. It was horrifying. I could not help but think of my nephew. Nayyirah's testimony was rebroadcast across the country and marked a turning point in public opinion on going to war. President George H.W. Bush repeatedly cited her claims.

04:53 They had kids in incubators, and they were thrown out of the incubators so that Kuwait could be systematically dismantled. Three months after Nayyirah testified, President George H.W. Bush launched the invasion of Iraq. But it turned out Nayyirah's claims weren't true. No human rights group or news outlet could confirm what she said. It also turned out Nayyirah was not just any Kuwaiti teenager. She was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States, Saad Nasir Al-Sabah. She had been coached by the public relations firm Hill & Knowlton, which was working for the Kuwaiti government. My mind is exploding right now. When we talked about this at the time of it happening,

05:42 What was that? We never talked about it at the time. Not the time it was happening in 91. Not the time it was happening. We talked about it, I mean, 10 years ago, 11 years ago. We've talked about it a couple of times. And people would say you're crazy conspiracy theorist. And now it's on Democracy Now? This is fantastic. And they're doing it on the day when everybody's eulogizing him. Holy smokes! Good stuff. Yes, fantastic. Onward. Is that the end of clip one? Yeah, that is. Okay. Let's go right to clip two, then this is discussing the propaganda. They brought in this guy Rick John MacArthur and he

06:24 He has a book out on this whole thing, and he has it all documented. It's a very interesting book. But let's do clip two. We're joined now by the journalist who first revealed Nayyirah's identity, Rick MacArthur, the president and publisher of Harper's Magazine, the author of the book Second Front, Censorship and Propaganda in the 1991 Gulf War. I mean, so, you know, as we said, this is a turning point. You have this teenager, this girl, saying she witnessed this, that Iraqi soldiers came into Kuwait and ripped babies out of Kuwaiti incubators. But she was only referred to as Nayyirah at the time of the testimony. It wasn't Nayyirah al-Sabah.

07:08 So, you would know that she is the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador who also testified in that hearing? Correct. That's all part of the propaganda plan, is to maintain her anonymity to protect her and her family against reprisals in Kuwait. That was the cover story. But, of course, nobody bothered to try to find out who she really was. They just bought the story hook, line and sinker, even though At the time, there were a couple of human rights investigators who were becoming suspicious. I got onto the trail after the war, unfortunately, and was able to run down what really had happened, which was that

07:47 Hill and Knowlton selected her as a persuasive witness to this atrocity and it was all part of a campaign to turn Saddam Hussein, at least in the public consciousness, into Adolf Hitler. Now I have two clips left in this series. I got one clip after that, but it's I'm gonna reverse the two of them because I think clip three is probably a little better as a finale for this guy. Okay, so let's jump to baby killers in Kuwait four.

08:28 I don't think I have four. Oh, no, I see it, I see it, I see it now, yeah. And it's clear that does, I mean, numerous representatives and senators cited the baby incubator atrocity, which was false. It never happened. as a reason for voting for the Gulf War resolution. In other words, these are people who said, well, look, we could figure out other ways to get Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait. Economic sanctions, negotiations. There was a feeling that this was about oil. It wasn't about principle, even though Bush

09:04 posed it as a matter of international law. But these people said, finally, look, if he's really Hitler, if he's really capable of having an army that slaughters, and it got to hundreds of babies by the time Amnesty International gave its official seal of approval. to the story. It was inflated. It got even bigger. That's very, very important for Amnesty International, the role that it played. It wasn't just Naira. It wasn't just Naira. The Human Rights Watch fell for it. They were neutral officially, but Amnesty International actually put the number over 300 babies. There weren't that many incubators in Kuwait City hospitals.

09:45 Now, if you want to go back over the record, you'll see how badly the media, how badly the press failed in all this. I remember my newspaper, the New York Daily News, had a front page. They killed the babies. And so the media uncritically accepted this story without any kind of check. Wow, he's talking about himself in the third person. Geez, these guys clueless. They don't see the irony in their own coverage of global warming or Trump. Thank you. Yes. Okay, but even even his own newspaper my own newspaper had this bullcrap story on the front page boy They're stupid dude. You were you were at the newspaper. I don't believe yeah, then I don't think he is anymore He's I think at the post or someplace else anyway, so let's listen to the final which is I've got down as clip 3 And it has a couple it makes some conclusions that I think are worth noting on this celebrity

10:46 week. He's being presented now as this paragon of kind of WASP respectability and integrity, old school, when in fact he had a violent side to him, a very angry and violent and ruthless side to him. And when you see him doing the propaganda, using the Helen Nolten disinformation, you see a side of a politician that's kind of ugly. That's very interesting. The New York Times wrote a piece exactly with that.

11:34 that conceit about you know the Bush is the last of the wasps to go and You know how how we adored the and I mean, I don't know if everyone understands. I don't even know if I can completely under Explain what what other than the acronym white Anglo-Saxon Protestant? What exactly it's that Connecticut guy who talks like this? That's the wall doing when you say conversation you're constantly conversation conversation hmm Now, I want to add to this kind of roundup of this sort of thing is Pachinic had a eulogy on his site about Bush naming all kinds of his buddies, including Don Gregg.

12:15 And it wasn't that good because he was just kind of talking mostly about himself. And Pchenik didn't make this little comment here, which I think just adds on to what we just heard from MacArthur and the Democracy Now people. But I think it was inadvertent, but I'd like to play it because it's pretty funny in context. That's interesting. And at that time, President Ford appointed George Bush as director of the CIA. For the most part, most people thought that was an approval and that was a sign that he was really quite competent.

12:56 The reality was Bush did not like Cheney, he did not like Rumsfeld. And what was happening was a power play in the Republican administration where Cheney and Rumsfeld wanted to get rid of Bush. And the best way to do that was to become director of the CIA. Because normally when you become director, you rarely become president. Then I had an encounter with General Antonio Noriega when Bush was Vice President to Reagan. Noriega said to me something interesting. He said that Bush had been involved in the Iran-Contra deal and had been far more resilient and tough than anybody had thought.

13:34 Subsequent to that, I had a meeting with Pat Robertson, the head of the Evangelical Christian Union, and he was talking to me and said something very interesting. Here, Noriega talks about Bush as a very tough, resilient individual, and then I asked Pat, why did you ask me down there? And he told me that he was interested, he, Pat Robertson, was interested in running for President of the United States. And I said, why? He said because he found that Bush Sr. was very weak. I paused and I looked up at him and I said, Reverend, the real issue here is that you do not understand Bush. Bush is not weak. He may be quiet, he may be elegant, he may be a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant, but trust me, he is not weak and he is quite ruthless.

14:23 Quite ruthless. Yeah. So now with that background of, you know, the guy being a ruthless gay character, we have these eulogies and I would say that on Democracy Now! they had some of the worst, including Maureen Dowd for some reason, they brought her on and she's got that whining voice like that ex-editor that we like to play clips from. You know, the one that talks like... Oh, the Hummer? You mean Jill Abramson? Yeah, Jill Abramson. She doesn't talk as slow. George H. Walker Bush. But she talks like him. And so I'm going to play these two clips. These are both minutes long. This is eulogizing. And this is what the mainstream media was doing, which is talking about what a great guy he was. He wasn't ruthless. He was a nice guy. By the way, the last of the nice guys. And, and, and, and, and he was so much nicer than Trump.

15:15 so much nicer than Trump, so let's play eulogizing G.W. Bush PBS 1. But we see qualities in George Bush that were not appreciated at the time. The modesty, the ability to reach out to the other side to try to include everyone. You know, every generation, as I say, looks for different things from a president. Here we are in the age of Donald Trump, a very confrontational politics, and the politics of George Bush seems like something that was light years ago, but perhaps may one day come back. Maureen Dowd, Michael reminds us what a painful loss that was for him in the 92 election when he lost to Bill Clinton. You wrote this week about your wonderful correspondence with him, being in touch with him over the years. How did he work his way through that?

16:02 Oh, I think that was, you know, that was very hard for him to take because he was at 90 percent after, you know, the Persian Gulf War. And then one day in the press office, he sort of admitted that he had no interest in domestic policy. He really just loved being in that, you know, global club, mostly men's club. And he really didn't want to deal with the domestic side. And I think he kind of missed the moment where Americans were getting anxious about, you know, the economy and other things. And he just really gloried in the foreign affairs part of it. Yeah. I mean, let us all remember that George Bush publicly used the New World Order moniker

16:49 Yeah, so he is the is the ultimate globalist Yeah, which is he got booted out to you know and my uncle Don loved him and worked for him and Didn't cover his ass properly with Iran Contra. That's why uncle Don. That's my interpretation of it of course That's why he became ambassador to South Korea for a while and And when Obama was president, lifelong Republican Don became a Democrat. But that's because Obama was run by the CIA, so it was just a company man, company switch. And man, they hate Trump so much, I haven't heard from him for over a year.

17:31 Won't even talk to me. Makes him spit and mad just to think about him. Yeah, it really does. It's kind of sad. Let's go to the part two where we get to listen to Marine. just go off on Trump. It's not about Trump. We're talking about this supposed to be all Bush. No, no, no, no. Let's go off against Trump. But but then on then as as as we were saying, I mean, he lost, but he managed to live a full life after that. And you again in that piece you wrote this week, you captured a lot of that. I mean, the humor came back. The zest for life came back.

18:07 Well, I think Michael's right. You know, when we look at it through the prism of Donald Trump, you know, one way to look at it is Bush senior would drop the first person pronoun, personal pronoun, because his mother always told him not to use the big I not to gloat. So he would start sentences like the Dana Carvey imitation, you know, you know, can't act, just have to be me, you know, he would drop the I. And then now we're living in this world that's all about the I with Donald Trump. You know, the whole world is having to pivot to Trump's narcissistic I. You know what's also happening here, I feel?

18:58 is that the M5M hates Donald Trump so much that this is kind of like a passive-aggressive move to be so hagiography-like, hagiographer, I don't know what the word is. Hagiographic. Hagiographic, thank you. To be so hagiographic about Bush. I think some of that is in there. I mean they could... I think there's some of that in there, but I think they also have forgotten. Well, how could you forget the clip, read my lips, no new taxes? Come on. I mean that's in every library. And nobody brought that up on anything including Democracy Now! They just went after the dead babies. Yeah.

19:39 I have two short clips just on top of this just to show you what you were mentioning about the media being so preoccupied with Trump. I want to play these two clips. This is eulogy with Brian Mulroney, one of the Canadian honchos for some time. eulogizing Trump as his buddy. And I want to play the first clip, which is one with Judy jumping in. And then I'm going to ask you a question that I want to play too. George put down his pen, walked over to me and said, Brian, I've just learned the fundamental principle of international affairs. I said, what's that, George? He said, the smaller the country, the longer the speech.

20:22 Mulroney had special praise for the late president's dealings with Canada, including the trade deal ultimately signed by President Clinton and more recently rejected by President Trump. OK. OK, what did she say? She said it was signed by, you know, as back in the day, Mulroney, I guess, began it. Yes. Or Bush. I think Bush started it. Bush started it and then Clinton wound up signing it. Nobody liked it, by the way, when Bush started it. And then Clinton signed it. And Clinton got it going because Clinton was a smooth talker and he could convince, but I remember that era. It's like no one wanted this deal because we didn't, because Ross Perot was running against him. Oh yes. And Ross Perot kept talking about the sucking sound. Yes, yes, yes. The giant sucking sound. You're right. Of the jobs going to Mexico. And so nobody was in for this. And so then they, and they threatened his family and told him to shut up and he did. Yeah, it was the CIA who did that. Of course.

21:20 Although we don't know. So, Bush got nothing done. He didn't get that done because he didn't like they said, he didn't care about domestic policies and just thought this is a good idea, but it was kind of a globalist idea. Somehow, Clinton got it through. And then, according to Judy, Trump rejected it. Well, no, Trump threw in some steel and renamed it. Well, here's the point. She put in, she just right there, you heard it. I heard it. She said he rejected it. Put a negative spin. Of course. Now listen to what but listen to she put a negative spin she knows what the clip is she's put this is done This was a package. Uh-huh. She knows what the clip is So she put a negative spin on the next thing you're going to hear and you tell me if that's not biased President Bush was also responsible for the North American free trade agreement

22:12 recently modernized and improved by new administrations which created the largest and richest free trade area in the history of the world. That's not... She did a reverse whipsaw. Yeah, modernized and improved is what he said. Jeez. And she says, you know, this is putting everything in a negative light. I mean, it's shameful. Yeah. Well, that's my little thing on I'm going to give you clip of the day for the whole package John And I'm so happy that democracy now paid off in spades That you know, you know just when I'm like, oh not another democracy now clip. It's like Wow conspiracy now

23:02 You know, we always forget about the babies in the incubators as another kind of a modern false flag to get people to go to war. A total false flag. Like the Gulf of Tompkins was the bigger one before that. There's been other ones. And the public at large is saying, you guys, that's a conspiracy. It's a proven fact. How is it a conspiracy? And I recall us talking about Hill and Knowlton a lot and the jobs they did and how they did it. We should revisit those topics. I actually have one, I have one Bush clip. One. And I was very happy that I could contribute to this otherwise fantastic compendium. And I hereby issue a... FOMER ALERT! FOMER ALERT! Oh my God!

23:44 Listen to that horn! So this locomotive that you see here, the UP4141, was dedicated to President George Bush. It was unveiled in 2005 at a special transportation exhibit at his library and he was there to see the unveiling and he was thrilled with it and we've been running it around our system ever since. This train, this locomotive, will carry the casket for President Bush from Houston to College college station for a final internment. People are not as accustomed to travel by passenger rail on train, we mainly haul freight, but President Bush, as a veteran of World War II, he went to war on the train, he came home from war on the train, and I think that emotional connection to the railroad really stuck with him. So when he was planning his funeral and talking to his staff about how he wanted to be remembered, he wanted to have his final trip to college station to be on the railroad. So as we go

24:41 from from Houston up to College Station we will pass through several small towns we'll go through Old Town Spring and we'll go through Magnolia and Navasota and we anticipate that thousands of people will be lining the route at each of those locations to pay their final respects to President Bush. It's a great opportunity for all the people in this part of Texas to really participate in a very historic occasion. I was just tearing up hearing the news of the train. The Bush 41, the 4141 train ladies and gentlemen. He's got his own locomotive. I saw it, it's beautiful. Gosh, there it is! Whoa, sexy! It had that blue and white markings just like Air Force One. Personally, I think they blew an opportunity here, especially Amtrak.

25:29 I think they could have put an Amtrak thing on there and it could have been trailing 20 cars. People could have gone on the tour. They could have gone on a tour and I think it could have been nationwide. They could have driven this thing all over the country, getting a good publicity to Amtrak. With Bush still in the casket. Bush still in there in a refrigerated car. I was on the train with the corpse of George H.W. Bush and it was fantastic. And they can get top dollar. And they can run it all over the country, get nothing but good publicity and make some money on the side. I don't get it. Let me grab the wheel for a second.

26:15 Something we've been talking about, I think it's been much more your topic for a decade. Probably, maybe just about a decade. It finally happened. So heretofore, Tumblr had allowed adult content, so naturally communities sort of built up around that. This was the place you could feature adult content. Originally people had migrated from LiveJournal when they started banning adult content to Tumblr. So this became a place where people thought that you could put it and now that's no longer the case. And what's behind that decision? A few things. Tumblr was purchased by Verizon last year. That might have something to do with it. That might have something to do with it. Can you imagine the Verizon executives in the board meetings saying, you guys know what's on this Tumblr thing that this Marissa bought?

27:04 Oh my god, what was it two billion? What did she pay for it? It was a lot. It's just I don't know what she paid for but it was the most idiotic I mean unless you really let I have to assume she just likes she likes porn. That's the only conclusion Tumblr was purchased by Verizon last year that might have something to do with it And then after this child porn incident on Apple, they really have to reconsider Yeah, so this is what really went down is Apple removed their app from the App Store for some child pornography. And this is all part of the big purge. This is the tech giants of the world who are going to... I really started to focus on this and Tim Cook actually really brought it into view for me.

27:52 It goes beyond some kind of liberalism that we understand what's better for everybody and that's why we're throwing people off, shadow banning, de-platforming, de-monetizing, what are all the adjectives we have for it. There's a lot. But there's an actual belief that they are... what? It was de-adjutizing or whatever that word was. De-monetizing, de-monetizing. Oh yeah, de-monetizing. I'm de-monetized, bro. Sucks. But that's what that one lady went and shot up Twitter for. Because they de-monetized her. Or YouTube, they de-monetized her. Remember? California. Yeah. So, but what I've come to the conclusion, I have three clips from Tim Cook.

28:37 And you may have seen a very short bit, and this is really the work that I've been focusing on more often now, is whenever there's some meme that goes around which everyone's like, ha ha ha, look at this, oh crazy outrageous, blah blah blah, you gotta go look at the full thing. Because not only is it often out of context and therefore void, sometimes the real meat is elsewhere in the story. And it's really being obfuscated by a little clip. But I think the elites in Silicon Valley and Tim Cook is going to be at the top of this pyramid who truly believe they have the power to make the world a better place. But it's religious at this point. So he was given an award by the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League. It's the Courage Against Hate Award, the first one, which is always... you got to wonder about these things. I remember we needed Michael Jackson to

29:31 to perform on the Video Music Awards at MTV. And, you know, so then the dealing starts. You got to, well, then you have to do this. You have to, you got to play this video. And then we also said, well, we'll give you an award. It'll be the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award of the Year. Named after him and I think JLo just received it and it is presented as the Michael Jackson video Vanguard Award of the year. We also by the way promise that we would always say Michael Jackson followed by the king of pop And we did. In fact, we once had to record a whole weekend all over again because we hadn't been told we had to do it. Anyway, I digress. So Tim Cook... No, I don't think that's a digression. That idea that you have to say the king of pop was ridiculous. That we had to go back and re-record everything because we didn't say it, that was ridiculous. That was off the hook. That was two days of work.

30:29 So Cook receives this award and so he's clearly there to present a message. And in these three clips, I put these into three categories. The first one is we are holy. We're technology, we're holy, and we're goodness. The second clip includes the little bit that you may have seen online and it's about the values. And what our values are is our holiness. The third clip is really what blew me away by itself. It doesn't work You have to kind of hear them in sequence where I believe he is of thinking that he is God not him But Apple and maybe just technology. So let's start with with his opening intro here As he explains how holy they are this may sound simple but it's not said often enough Apple is a technology company and

31:25 But we never forget that the devices we make are imagined by human minds, built by human hands, and are meant to improve human lives. I sometimes say that I worry less about computers that think like people, and more about people that think like computers. Without values or compassion. Without concern for consequences. And so we try to stay rooted and to keep our devices connected to the humanity that makes us, us.

32:10 So you feel where I'm coming from with this holy stuff? Yeah, he's full of himself. I have I must say as an editorial decision. Each of these clips has about 30 edits because Tim Cook talks like this and makes a point sometimes with a lot of space. Well, I'll tell you that the edits are fine because it's still got the right rhythm. It sounds like he's actually talking. Okay, good work. Thank you. All right, this is the longest of the three, but this is where we get down into the meat of the values, what Apple will and will not stand for. And please keep in the backdrop that all technology, all technology

32:53 can be used for good or bad. You know, are cars great technology? Are they technology? Of course they're technology. You can use them for transportation but you can also mow people down on the street with it. Baseball bat, another good example. Baseball bat, yes. Fire is a technology. I mean everything can be used for good or for bad but not with Apple because well they're holy. This mandate moves us to speak up for immigrants and for those who seek opportunity in the United States. We do it not only because their individual dignity, creativity, and ingenuity have the power to make this country an even better place, but because our own humanity commands us to welcome those who need welcome.

33:40 It moves us to speak up for the LGBTQ community, for those whose differences can make them a target for violence and scorn. We do so not only because these unique and uncommon perspectives can open our eyes to new ways of thinking, but because our own dignity moves us to see the dignity in others. You get the feeling how noble and dignified these Apple people are? I wonder how noble he feels when he pushes for immigration so he can get more H-1B workers to work cheaper than maybe somebody over 40 who he could have hired to do the same job, but he'd have to pay more money.

34:19 Blasphemy, Dvorak! Blasphemy! Perhaps most importantly, it drives us not to be bystanders as hate tries to make its headquarters in the digital world. At Apple, we believe that technology needs to have a clear point of view on this challenge. See, now, technology has a point of view. This is very, this is fascinating this guy. And I think he's probably a really nice guy but he is, his milieu is just... I'll bet you that he was a nice guy that if you actually was sat, he'd be one of those guys who never connects with you when you chat with him.

34:59 You know what I mean? It's like he's out there. He's like, yeah, he's talking to you, but he's talking to some, you know, something he sees. And you know that you're right because even this rhythm that he has that I screwed up a little bit by the editing, it's the same as, it's exactly the same as a keynote. You know, he's not really connecting with the audience. He's delivering his prose. You know, the audience is like, and this is the same kind of audience. Apple, we believe that technology needs to have a clear point of view on this challenge. There is no time to get tied up in knots. That's why we only have one message for those who seek to push hate, division and violence. You have no place on our platforms.

35:55 You have no home here. From the earliest days of iTunes to Apple Music today, we have always prohibited music with a message of white supremacy. You know, just as a real simple one, I just went to iTunes when I heard this. I said, let me see if Fuck the Police is still up there. Of course it is, even the karaoke version. Thank you. Why? Because it's the right thing to do. And as we showed this year, we won't give a platform to violent conspiracy theorists on the App Store. Okay, violent conspiracy theorists. I mean, it's one thing to say white, he said white supremacist, he said hate, but now he escalated to violent conspiracy theorists. He's talking about Alex Jones. Is he violent? Not that I know of. That conspiracy, but you know,

36:53 Okay, so a conspiracy theorist is okay, but if I if I punch an old lady then I get deplatformed Just what he means by violent. Well, he's equating words to physical harm I guess that could be to do and as we showed this year we won't give a platform to violent conspiracy theorists on the App Store and Why? Because it's the right thing to do. My friends, if we can't be clear on moral questions like these, then we've got big problems. At Apple, we are not afraid to say that our values drive our curation decisions. Curation? And why should we be? Curation? Doing what's right. That's pretty interesting to say curation because, you know, well, I guess they don't really fall under Section 230.

37:52 I don't know if they claim they do, but they and so yeah you're curating so you have every right to throw off what you want that's fine but uh well we'll talk about what that could mean in a minute. You drive our curation decisions and why should we be doing what's right Creating experiences free from violence and hate, experiences that empower creativity and new ideas is what our customers want us to do. Technology should be about human potential. It should be about optimism. And we believe the future should belong to those who use technology to build a better, more inclusive, and more hopeful world.

38:41 I'd like to teach the world to sing. After all, history is full of examples of what can happen when those with power and those who ought to have good judgment instead look the other way. Now what he's saying at the very end there is there's examples in history where those with power really mess things up by looking the other way. And in this case, he's not referring to Trump. He's referring to Apple. He's referring to us is us themselves. They have the power and they are taking a stand.

39:18 And I don't know, I guess, fuck the police is not violence in their mind. That's okay. That's completely up to them. I'm sure you can find plenty of other examples and maybe some of our producers can find a few. Oh, there's tons of them. But it's, you know, it's whatever. Apple's values are. This is very important. This is how Hillary Clinton lost the election. This is how Apple is going to lose their ass. Now, the last bit here, he brings up the Greek Dua es machina, God in the machine. And I left his explanation of what it is, I cut it up a little bit, but I left his explanation of what that is, where it comes from in there, only just so you can hear the bad joke that he makes. But then listen to it, his explanation of what that means, God in the machine, and to me, his clear

40:08 belief that they at Apple are the God in the machine. You might know the phrase, Deus ex machina, God from the machine. For those who don't, it's an idea that started as a bit of an inside joke among the ancient Greek playwrights. Basically, it's a critique of a bad habit. These playwrights like to get their characters into impossibly perilous situations. and then rescue them at the last minute by some miraculous twist in the story. Often the actors were even physically hoisted out of danger by a crane or some other elaborate machine. In other words, Deus Ex Machina is how the first movie critics accused the first directors of using special effects to cover up lazy screenwriting.

40:57 But this idea of God from the machine has stayed with us through the ages because it's so comforting. Just when the world seems to be getting more dangerous, just when it seems like the challenges may be greater than our ability to solve them, it's reassuring to think that some technological marvel, some creation of our own hands will solve the problem for us. But what I admire so much about the ADL is that your entire history provides a lesson here. If the machines we build are going to help us solve the world's problems, then the God part, that decency, mercy, and humanity, is going to have to come from all of us. After all, we only have one life.

41:53 So why not use it to make the world a better place? There you go and You know when Apple deep deep platformed Alex Jones Everyone else followed and so this is a follow me moment in Silicon Valley And I think that he does speak for most executives and most executives do not want their pulled from the App Store, so they're all going to follow now in Apple's footsteps. And you can hear what it means. And that's just Tim Collins, Cooks, Tom things. That's his own personal belief system. But I think it's going to hurt the company severely. I'm not going to argue with you on this. It's a lot of hubris. It takes a lot of nerves patronizing.

42:56 It makes all kinds of assumptions that none of them are good. And it's like you fool yourself. I mean, you make the phones, you make iPhones and you make computers and you make a few other doodads that are inconsequential in the history of mankind. And because you have a closed platform. Yeah, what good are you doing? There you go with the outrageously closed platform for everything you have to buy for any of the equipment if you can even open them because it's not allowed. You're not allowed to repair them. If you can't open an iPhone to fix the screen on your own or something like that or somebody else does it, it voids the warranty. This is not good. He's full of crap. He's an evil company. Yes.

43:40 Yeah, without knowing it. And you know, he has an example to look to because things are going to go wrong and you only need a couple of mistakes and the internet is, information still wants to go where it wants to go. You see all this stuff leaking out everywhere. You recall that Mark Zuckerberg refused to go and answer questions in UK Parliament? Boy, they sure got back at him. butt-slammed the kid. Facebook under public scrutiny again after new internal documents that were made public Wednesday showed the social media giant giving special access to user data to other companies like Airbnb, Lyft and Netflix.

44:17 The documents had been under seal, but a British parliamentary committee investigating Facebook released them, revealing the inner workings of Facebook from about 2012 to 2015. The committee says the documents show Facebook turned over data to select companies while restricting access for others. Reuters Tech correspondent, Paresh Davei. These documents could add to the ongoing scrutiny on Facebook, especially about its potentially anti-competitive behavior, its privacy practices, its growth hacking tactics, and its business model. Facebook has faced scrutiny around the world from lawmakers, regulators, and other government bodies. These documents could serve as new evidence for those inquiries.

45:02 And these 250 pages that were released are fantastic. I mean, what's not in this report is proof. We heard about it. It was dismissed. But proof that on Android they changed their app so that users' phone logs, SMS texts, were logged in their app and that they on the update did not receive a change in permissions. They hacked their way around it and they explain how they did it on email. It's fantastic. You have to download this and just read through it. It's emails back and forth and just how they talk to each other. It makes you want to puke. And you know, this is, they've got real problems.

45:48 I think just the opposite. Really? You think just the opposite? How so, my dear friend? Well, I think what this shows that these guys are the kick-ass kind of like do anything to get ahead company. That is the kind of thing you want to invest in. Well, you may want to see if the bottom has reached yet before you stick your cash in it. I think I hit the bottom. We have this game on DHM plugged and I already think we hit the bottom. I think the bottom is about 130. Yeah, well, I don't know. I think it's nice. I mean, the more I hear the better it sounds. I mean, maybe I'm just the opposite of Tim Cook, who would be a gas. Oh, oh, I'm going to swoon. I can't believe this is going on gambling going on here in the bar.

46:37 No, I think I find it just yeah, I mean I think it's funny that these I know they're scrambling over there at the offices like because they're getting busted left and right for being the dicks that they are and apparently they are dicks and it shows so in the memos and Even when Zuckerberg goes up to he doesn't do a very good job. He's not a personable person He's just kind of a you know robotic like guy, but he knows what he's doing and Sandberg is just obviously a very cunning runt Wow, cunning runt. Nice. In Australia they know exactly what that means. Well the point is that she is ruthless and I think maybe the spirit of George Bush went right into her.

47:21 As far as I can, I mean, and so far as an investment is concerned, I'm liking Facebook more and more. Wow. Okay. I'll take your 130 and I'll say $87 is where there may be a bottom. I think it's blowing through 90. I'd like to see a crash where all these stocks go down like that. I mean, 87 would be great. I think that's where it's headed. People are abandoning this platform, not all their platforms, but this one they are abandoning. What happens is these governments, they start to figure out how it works and there's also some massive media tomahawks out there. And after the break I'll have a little series. Well, by the way, I will agree with you. This is where I see the weakness.

48:01 the media tomahawks, the media, and I have one clip about this, but the media has finally gotten a clue instead of like us on Facebook, it's like let us get Facebook. If the media doesn't stop them, the media's gonna be in worse shape than they are already. Ever since news first broke that a political consulting firm, Cambridge Analytica, was able to get data from 87 million Facebook users, there have been more questions about whether Facebook sold or shared more data with other companies than it's let on publicly. That investigation has been continuing in Europe.

48:42 Today, as Nick Schifrin tells us, there are new documents that show the social media giant gave other companies select access to users' data. Judy, the documents were released by a British Parliament committee and seem to show Facebook using all of our data as a bargaining chip to increase revenue. The committee accuses Facebook of cutting special deals with companies like Netflix, Airbnb, and Lyft to access users' data because those companies were advertising on Facebook. Facebook restricted access to users' data to companies it deemed competition. You know, this is perfect. I was going to do this after our break, but you've led me into it with this, so I'm going to do these. It's a series of clips, the only other series I have, and I can do it before the break. But we have to do it because it is this

49:29 Frontline, PBS Frontline, interviewed Brad Parscale. He is the guy who ran the digital I think we played some clips from in the past He's the guy who ran the digital media campaign for Trump mainly Facebook And I think he's currently the only person working on Trump's 2020 reelection campaign which I'm sure is online at this point and not only did he say that he had to have a full recording of their interview, but as a part of something new the PBS frontline transparency project Which you know as recommended by that spook? Which one of the the Woodward or Bernstein whoever at Bernstein like oh? We should chop up the interviews and then put the whole thing online so they did they put the whole interview online it is Fantastic to watch as an hour and 15 minutes it the whole point is

50:20 of this interview is to discredit Facebook to show how the Trump campaign manipulated Facebook's algorithms, how the Internet Research Agency and the Russians were able to change votes. They're so micro-focused and this guy who's doing the interview, he just can't make it happen. It's so bad at the end, and you know it's really bad when your producer starts interrupting and asking counter questions behind you. There's a female voice who starts jumping in. I mean, you know that things are not going well with your little piece here, your hit job. So this is really a face bag hit job gone terribly wrong.

51:01 As a former marketer, and I think you'll find it interesting as well, John, to listen really how they did it, what the strategy was, and the tactics which were elegantly simple and not so foreign to us is just nice to hear because it kind of shows you, you know, Is everything new or is the old stuff just faster? And so what was the primary in the primary season? What was the strategy on Facebook and how did it kind of shift going into 20? So shock and awe shock and awe how so what's that mean? Which means is put mr. Trump's message let him speak directly to camera

51:41 and get it to as many people as possible. I'll also say, Pascal has the same illness as Tim Cook. There must be a tech thing. Again, there must be 30 edits just taking out the long pauses for your listening enjoyment. And when you say shock and awe, do you mean that in that you were bombarding people with content? Bombarding, yeah. Yeah, it's not about what we were showing. It's not shock as in the type of content. It's the shock of here is a a considerable amount of content to just continue to show them directly from the president or Donald Trump. And so I think Shakhanov more just the military sense of let's just go and flood the zone. I mean, but in terms of Shakhanov content, I mean, one of the things...

52:27 things go viral right on Facebook, sort of playing to the algorithm. Now you said this is what I like so this guy thinks he knows how it works like well you know things play into the algorithms right you know this this never-ending AI belief in machine learning and it's all the algos. Yeah, shock and awe of content. I mean one of the things Things go viral, right, on Facebook and they're sort of playing to the algorithm and you know of what's engaging content. Yes. What does any algorithm have to do with things going viral? I think what he's trying to say or what he wants to get out of this guy is when you have controversial content that gets people pissed off, they click on it and that goes viral. That's what he wants to hear. He wants to hear that the Trump campaign did dirty tricks, played into all kinds of nastiness, and that cranked the algos and he won the election. That's the story here.

53:31 brother. It's sort of playing to the algorithm and by the way it's PBS Frontline it's not some you know shuck and jive outfit. No these are not shuck and jive jivers at all this is the hot shots. Yeah this is the top notch. The pros from Dover. You know of what's engaging content and was there thinking inside of the campaign that what's more engaging on Facebook for instance is more shocking content, more incendiary content? No, nothing with incendiary content at all. What I mean is that Donald Trump speaking to the American people was a shock to the system. They have for so many years received a concentrated message that had been filtered by the media into what they were being told they needed to be to do. The left wants you to believe that that is something that was above and beyond. No, it was just a message different than theirs.

54:21 And it was a message about a conservative voice and he delivered that directly to him in large volume. And we didn't have to make anything. We just had to let Mr. Trump talk directly to camera and they listened. I know, but are you telling me that inside of the campaign there wasn't thinking about what actually triggers the algorithm, what actually makes things go viral? That more, no, that, that, that wasn't thinking inside of the campaign at that point? So it was a cell Donald Trump's message. He has never changed his message to equal an algorithm, right? But does it work in the advantage? I mean, I'm just wondering because you know how social media works, right? You know what the you know how social media works. Well, do you don't jabroni this guy is just on a This guy should be fired from frontline. He might be I mean, I didn't I have too much content to have done clips of his producer jumping all over him and

55:16 But that when that happens, you know, you know, you should start getting a cardboard box. You're listening, pal, and see what this guy has to say instead of trying to make him say stuff. Exactly. Does it work in the advantage? I mean, I'm just wondering because you know how social media works, right? You know what the algorithm favors content that's engaging, favors content that that is emotional to some degree. So you're saying that the messaging of the campaign did not play on that in any way? Well, it did because the American people, the reason why it went viral is because people were seeking that message. Was it in any way seen as an opportunity to, or the chance to experiment in that with different messaging, for instance, that there wouldn't be

55:59 I mean granted people could share right and I get that but they're The rules are very different and the game is very different than on TV a lot more people see it It's exposing close to it's actually less if I run an ad and only Eastern Washington on a local DMA who all sees it just so you understand DME's talking about a demographic area in a television local television media buy. This is a little technical but it's interesting because he's basically dispelling everything that they've thought about this campaign and Facebook. It's actually less. If I run an ad in only eastern Washington on a local DMA who all sees it? Only people in the eastern DMA of Washington, right? Right. So if I run a Facebook ad in that same DMA and they share it with people in LA, who just saw it more? There is... I could give you all that mail, same way, less shared.

56:51 The difference is that when the left saw that we use it so well, they panicked and thought that somehow we twisted people's minds, which didn't happen. It's because they couldn't explain it because they once lost control. That's the beauty of the internet because the ads could be shared because it was so open. It allowed it to expand and to become a movement. It's the actual opposite of what they want to believe. So he basically had a hundred million dollars and just bought the right brought ads for the right people and just focused on the right areas The rest of my clips are not as long but I think it's really important to hear some of this because it's debunking a lot of the theories that we've been Blanketed with now this guy may be full of crap. I don't know but it sounds think so I think he's right on the money. This other guy's the one that's full of crap. That's what makes it entertaining to listen to

57:41 So now, another tact, well, hold on a second, you know, it's misleading, you don't know if it's an ad, it could be just, you know, it shows up as content, you know, people don't know it's advertising, it's, you know, this is the trying to slip in... Gee, this never happens in the New York Times with their native ad program. Oh, well, he didn't quite answer it that way, but he came close. Do you think it was clear in 2016 that there was a substantive difference in a Facebook feed between ads and content. It says ad on it. And sponsored content. It says sponsored. And you think that an American voter is actually, is going to know the difference between that? Yeah. I mean, uh, I will tell you much worse is you open up the wall street journal or you actually even worse, you open the New York times. You know the difference between an opinion piece and a news piece. Yeah, you do. Really? Yeah, sure. There's an off bad page. There's an editorial page. Now online? Yeah. There's one word.

58:35 One word underneath their title it says opinion. What's the difference in the one word that says sponsored? I love how the interviewer, you know thinks the American public is stupid They're stupid, but when it's the New York Times of course the people who read the New York Times they see the word opinion obviously although New York Times readers are so much I think that people know that when first of all it's not if you look back to how things were done in 2016 percent of the content now on major newspapers and on major outlets now or opinion pieces and 30 years ago, it was less than like 10%. We have turned into an entire media company, a media outlet system that is mainly on opinion and commentary instead of news. So you turn on any major news media tonight and you watch it and you can see how much of it's commentary and how much of it's news.

59:25 That has flipped. I think that what has happened... Well, the news industry would say in response to that, that... It's what makes them money. Well, it's the only way to get engagement on the Facebook... To make money. No, on the Facebook platform. No, no, no. Because... What? The guy, the guy, the interviewee, the Trump guy is right. Yes, of course he is. Online does not pay the way print does and so you have to start pulling these stunts to get attention. Opinion does a much better job of it. And then paid content. Yes. So you just buy these stories and put them in there and that's what these guys have to do to survive. You cannot run an online publication and make money using the old models

1:00:05 You can't even come close. That doesn't fit in this interviewer's brain because he's pure. He's pure of journalistic thought. What engages people when Facebook is your news source is opinion and is polarizing. I would say what the Trump campaign put up online was a hundred times more real than all the news articles that were put up. Are you serious? In what way? Because I would read the articles and they were false, one after another after another, because I actually was in the room. I was with him. I listened to him. I was in all the meetings and piece after piece after piece was full of anonymous sources, single source content, fake stories over and over again every day. Every day. It's why I record this conversation. It's why everything I do now, I have to think that everyone's going to do something fake against me.

1:01:00 So then the, you know, of course, there's Facebook is doing things like, oh, we're going to publish all the ads and show that they're political ads. Everyone can see the ads and we all know it's good transparency. And what do you make of the fact that, you know, how does it change your strategy going into 2020? The fact that Facebook's changed some of its policies about, for instance, they're going to show all the ads. Yeah, show all the ads. It just saved me a bunch of money because now everybody gets to see my ads for free. So it's not it doesn't hamstring you in any way in terms of what ads you want to show to what people know It just lets other people see my eyes for free. I mean it's kind of like a gift The guy's head is going

1:01:42 How can this be now? Here's some factual stuff that I hear before this I had not heard about Cambridge Analytica. I hope this our producers appreciate some of these this clip these clips are a little I would say dry but extremely valuable. Thank you. That's how I saw it as well. That's why I spent a lot of time tightening them up because it's so long and yet is a little dry. But this next piece is really, you know, it's a real nugget. And I'm just going to ask you, what is your impression of the Trump campaign's involvement with Cambridge Analytica and data? What do you know about that just from what is the accepted truth on Snopes? Well, Snopes, I really don't know that there was a connection between data, between Analytica and Facebook, I think is what we're talking about.

1:02:38 Well, the Trump necessarily said the way I understood the story the way the narrative plays is Cambridge Analytica Bannon went over there Bannon set it all up and they Had illegally accessed Facebook data and then that data was merged with all kinds of stuff for this massive smart micro targeting well, I think we've already made the case that it was never illegal and on this show. I think you'll be surprised when you hear what his answer is. The Trump campaign paid Cambridge Analytica nearly six million bucks. What'd you get for that money? Well, five million dollars that was a TV buy.

1:03:17 So you gotta wipe off $5 million. Steve Bannon made a purchase of TV advertising that ran on the East Coast. They have a television division where they literally just place television. They were paid, I think approximately around $800,000. We received staff. The reason I hired Cambridge Analytica was actually not for Cambridge Analytica at all. I didn't know about their company. I didn't know anything about them. They had hired some of the Scott Walker digital team in 2015. These were the guys that had really helped Scott Walker reelect. And there was a guy named Matt Oskowski. When I met Cambridge, I thought they were full of crap.

1:03:55 But I met Matt Eskowski and I really liked him. He had experience running a very well targeted and well-created brand digital campaign. I actually wanted to hire him without Cambridge and he said I'm under contract. So I asked him for an employment contract. And so I hired them for staff only. And each one of the payments between then and election day were for staff only. And then Matt worked on my team with four or five of his people. and they mainly ran polling, visualization, and support staff to all the things we needed to do to get things done digitally. I actually didn't hire Cambridge Analytica for any data work. I hired them for any other data. Do you regret any affiliation with Cambridge Analytica? Hindsight's 20-20 now. I don't regret it because I'm sitting here today and Donald Trump's president, so I'm not gonna regret that decision.

1:04:48 You know, it's sad what Cambridge Analytica executives did, but I barely knew him, didn't even have anything really contact with him. And from the day I hired him till after the day after the election, I actually never talked to any of those guys. So we don't know how truthful this is, but I've never heard this version of the story. I'd never heard that either, but I want to mention something to some of our sports fans out there. I'm listening to this guy and I'm, this guy sounds like somebody. And if anybody knows you're going to be 10 guys are going to get this joke. He sounds exactly like Clay Thompson of the, of the golden gate warriors. I'm done, okay. I was just stepping back for the laughter. I'm sure you're right. Alright, two part of this, then we're done. And this comes down to our questioning of the effectiveness of the ad buy that the Internet Research Agency did and how they were able to

1:05:43 Change the minds of millions of Americans to vote for Donald Trump as well as $100,000. Yeah, well $100,000 turns out that wasn't really the budget And you know what? Yeah, yeah, and and you know we also We've had all kinds of questions about the effectiveness of the platform I think if you know if you can spend list the story is $100,000 and you can make someone president which is what the the accusation is and we have what 12 indictments of Internet Research Agency dudes based upon this hundred thousand dollar collusion campaign or influence campaign and

1:06:22 So why well I think Pascal does a good job of explaining it as far as I know Facebook has not released all of the repository of advertising that happened on their platform during 2016 whether it was by the Russians or the Trump campaign or any other actors who were well Trump campaigns on an actor Trump campaigns the official Dark money groups or anyone else are also If you're talking about super PACs and C4s and all those things, that's part of the current political system. But the only thing that's been accusatory is what these actors did from this internet research company or whatever is the only one I know about and the only one I've read about. And what I've read about is during the last couple months of the campaign, there was only a fraction of money spent, well less than $100,000, somewhere down under $10,000 range. There's been different accounts of how much that is. Some say $6,000, some say $8,000.

1:07:16 But the fraction of that, probably what was spent on Facebook was probably close to 500 to 600 million in the United States by legitimate organizations. And to try to say that that 500 or 600 million, that $6,000 somehow influenced 600 million is the biggest piece of just malarkey I've ever heard. Even though Facebook is actually a very effective targeting tool. Yeah, they can't say that though because it would say that's like saying a restaurant goes puts $5,000 from some restaurant in Wichita, Kansas puts $5,000 and all of the world next day is gonna know how great that restaurant is from $5,000 in advertising. This doesn't happen. It's not possible. I don't understand it. And if someone shows me the proof that somehow it influenced somebody, I haven't seen it.

1:08:04 But I think the media wants you to believe it because they want to believe that somehow none of this is legit, that these guys somehow faked all everybody out for $6,000. And I think it's a big joke. I mean, you can't even... I can barely fly from here to Hawaii and back for $6,000. I'm not going to change the entire American Electric for it. So apparently in the last six weeks, which is really when he spent $90 million on shock and awe, In the right places, but that was that's what he says just it was just a lot to the people we were interested in and they reshared it versus the 6000 so he's questions the validity of that and he has an explanation as to why Facebook won't actually set the record straight Do you think that Facebook bears any responsibility for the fact that bad actors were also using these powerful tools to mess with the American electorate could it

1:08:55 Maybe question why a Russian company with Russian IP addresses are buying ads on a platform. Sounds kind of suspicious to me also. Maybe it was just a little amount of money they spent that it just went under the radar. $6,000 or whatever is the last six weeks or whatever, eight weeks. I mean, I was spending that per half second. or millisecond probably. So if you take that over six weeks, I mean they were spending .0001 cents per second. So I mean I could get how maybe it fly under the radar. I think they'll do a better job now though of probably verifying initial ad vendors and so this problem doesn't go away. But I would imagine it's more to do with the small amount of money they spent. If they would have came and spent $100 million and they said they were going to or they even started to spend that kind of money, I would imagine.

1:09:43 I think one of Facebook's biggest mistakes was they were in a conflict of marketing versus ethics. So to actually explain to everybody that $6,000 in ads really wasn't doing much also makes you sound like your platform's not that powerful to do something for cheap. So if you want to get rid of every small vendor that's using your platform in America, go on TV and say, well, that actually isn't very much. So Facebook was caught in a catch-22 Ruh-roh.

1:10:37 There you go. I don't know if that made it into the final piece because I've not seen the the edited show Somehow I would think they would but maybe they're too stupid. I doubt it cuz that's that's the money I was doing the interviewing has to be one of the human that woman who's behind him have to be part of the producing package and they're the ones that are gonna make the put that together with this guy and they're gonna they're gonna clip Maybe five minutes from all that. If that yeah, if that well for online desk clip as much as five minutes But they don't do it. They don't play it all at once Yeah, but the whole the whole piece and it's in the show notes any show notes calm is well worth watching

1:11:15 watching because it goes there's a lot of detail about how they used Facebook if anybody's an amateur marketing guy we have a number of producers who have to do that sort of thing sales yep sales and marketing I'd listen to this this sounds like a very revealing interview the guy was very face forward with everything. He wasn't trying to obfuscate any tricks or secrets. Yeah, and there was other interesting stuff which I didn't clip, but you know the accusation which came from a Bloomberg report that they targeted a zip code with African Americans with all kinds of terrifying things about Hillary Clinton.

1:11:54 And his comeback is, do you think I'm stupid? No one targets by zip code anymore. We look at a zip code and see the people there. We have all their interests. We just, we don't see skin color. We don't give a crap. We just go look at are they likely Trump voters? That's it. Zip codes is like two generations old versions of marketing. Exactly. Nobody does that anymore. Yeah, but they were dead serious about it in the interview. It was a head shake. Well, if this was done by a commercial operation like CBS or ABC or NBC, they would have people doing the interview that were a little more up to

1:12:35 date and by up to date I mean 50 years up to date this guy is thinking that 50 years ago that used to do stuff like that well but no what I realized though is you know the guys mic is sounds horrible the interviewer it's because he'll never be on screen this is the way frontline does it is they just have almost everybody does that nowadays yeah you got the voiceover but if if they're gonna have to pull any clips from this They're gonna have to do some fancy footwork on the voiceover to make it fit any narrative, because clearly, Facebook, yeah, it works like all other media. The more you buy, the more you repeat, the more it works. Yeah, well...

1:13:19 They do have the targeting that the other guys don't have. Yeah, exactly. That's the thing. They've got the target. It's basically faster. You can get the same targeting from other networks, but you know, from television, from print, you can get some of that. Some. Yeah. Anyway. So there you go. I think now we should take a little break. I'm going to show my school by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. And You had something to say no yeah, don't you think the artists and all that stuff right now? No usually uh oh, you know I did it completely wrong. I did it out of sequence. I was so mad. I'm sorry Okay, we'll cut it. We'll cut that part out No one will ever know that I forgot to say in the morning to you John C. Where the C stands for cunning runt Dvorak

1:14:19 Well, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry, also in the morning to all the ships and sea boots on the ground and the feet in the air and all the rest of it. God, the game's nice too, don't you think? Come on, yeah, come on. Just because I messed it up doesn't mean you have to throw your- just throw the towel in on us. In the morning to the troll room, noagendastream.com. That's where the trolls hang out. They bring their troll poles to help us out during the show and sometimes very effective and helpful. Also in the morning to I think it's Darren O'Neill. Let me just bring up the. Yes, it was because he was been hitting. He's done three in a row. I think is it in a row. I don't think it's been in a row Otherwise he has the hat trick really well. He didn't believe it was yeah well Darren brought us the artwork for episode 1091 title that was surf and turf and this was the Al Gore 99% agree. It's science. Why would I lie? piles of cash in front of him, and he's laughing with his little tell and That was the one we chose and let me see

1:15:19 Let me just check. So 1090 he had yes that was also Darren and did he do 1089? Because then he has a hat trick. Uh nope, 1089 was Martin JJ. Haha. 1088 was Darren. Ah, just missed the hat trick. Nope, nope. 1088 was Uncle Cave Bear. Nope, he's, he's, I mean he's good but no hat trick yet. Well the reason I think that is I was thinking that's because I think that's what you were complaining about. Complaining? Oh brother, his mind is going. But let's thank a few people who are the top donors in today's show, the executive producers and the associate executive producers who get the full credits they can use on their bios. Surrat Neff starts it off with, and he's from, he doesn't say, but he's came in with 1357.95.

1:16:12 Wow. Wow. It doesn't really say why that number. This is long time no donate so I thought I'd make it count. This will make me a baron so please provide me the barony of Gray and Bruce counties in Ontario and the city of Waterdeep. I hope this helps, you know, if you're a baron, you could probably pick up a lot bigger area than that. I hope this helps with the doldrums, which we do have, by the way. No jingles, no karma, very Merry Christmas to you and yours sincerely, Sir Rataniff, to be baron. Then we come up with another big donor. Joseph Finley comes in with $1,000 from Louisville, Ohio. Ohio, Ohio.

1:16:56 Adam and John, I've listened to you guys for a long time and my douchery must come to an end. I never saw that word before. Does that mean he needs a de-douchery? Well, I'm looking, I'm looking. He does. Just give him one. Alright, here we go. You've been de-douched. Contributing a small amount a few months ago, it clearly wasn't enough and failed to uphold my end, therefore, instant night. I would like the name of Sir Walkman of Buckeye, my old hacker freaker handle. I've been smacking my wife and friends in the mouth, metaphorically speaking, via Twitter, at Jay Finley.

1:17:42 John been a fan back in cranky geeks day and on Leo show But didn't know you were politically astute till I heard you call in on Michael Savage That was a while back. When did you you called in on Michael Savage? Yeah, really? Yeah, it was it was a funny funny experience because he doesn't really listen to you much But this was after I think was Bernie Ward a local radio host very famous local guy got busted for Apparently having a computer full of child porn. Oh, this is decades ago. Yeah, it's a while back I can tell that story sometime I even

1:18:20 I emailed you, that's right, you did email me. It was just you I heard and you promptly acknowledged, yes. Rewinding back, found you guys about five years ago, but listening now on a consistent basis the past three years. You entertain much of my time while in the shower. Hello? Fishing nuts on a game plane or on fishing nuts on a game plane, gun a plane. Or on the road covering my territory in cybersecurity. Ah, one of those guys. A jingle request in order. ISO John, he says fish, I said fishing nuts, it's fisting nuts. I don't know what that is. I don't think we have an ISO of that. I have something that may give us a little bit, but I don't think we have an ISO. It was pretty long, the one I did, the bit I did. I'll see what I have, and otherwise I'll cut it off if it's too long and I'll play it at the end. What else we got?

1:19:08 We got the Hillary laugh, which by the way I can provide with my because I have the pen right here I have it. I have it. I got everything else lined up. Okay, then don't eat me Hillary suppressed gunshot foamer and the goma karma goat karma All right. Well Joseph. I'll see you at the at the podium along with sir rat Neff Wait, no, so Ratnaf has Barony, but you will be on the podium, Joseph, and here's what we got for you. Just go for it, John. Tell us your peeve about the fisting method of eating snacks on an airplane. Eat me, Hillary Clinton! Oh my God! Woo! Listen to that horn! You've got... karma. Well, I'll play the full mix at the end, but it doesn't quite work this way, so...

1:20:01 Sam Brown comes up on this on the list as a executive producer $345 dollars $343.55 35 cents. Geez I cannot believe it but this donation should bring me to knighthood. It's possible because the jobs karma requested earlier in the year worked and now I have a better job with better pay and better benefits. And thanks to no agenda, better mental hygiene. Wow. Downside of the new jobs is an hour commute to Cambridge every day. Of course, that leaves me plenty of time to listen to no agenda at double speed. Just how God intended.

1:20:38 I've pared down my podcast listing to just no agenda. Security now and ESPN's a PTI. When is Adam going to be a guest host? Must be soon with all his sports reporting he's been doing lately. I was born and raised in America. By the way, I'm a big PTI fan too. I don't know why those two guys seem to just kind of do the job. Keep you up with the right gossip. I was born and raised in America. I'm an Eagle Scout. Half of our listeners are. But now live in the UK. We should have some sort of Eagle Scout knighthood. Wait, wait, wait, John, it could be an additional badge.

1:21:21 Yeah, a little tickle a little bit. Yeah, well no like a Eagle Scout has oh, yeah, we get one of those little embroidered. Yes, you add it you just sneak it in between you know like knots and I know canoeing and I Didn't want to listen to UK and he that became a UK citizen just to vote to remain in the EU and Huh, however, I can say that you two are about the only two people worth listening to on the other side of the Atlantic. Thank you very much for your, you know, we're against the EU in general. Just saying. Thank you very much for your service. May I request to be knighted as Sir Sam of Bedfordshire. You bet. And the great Aus.

1:22:07 As a one-off, could I also request that Reese's Peanut Butter Cups and Earl Grey Tea added to the table? Oh, yes, of course. Finally, I'd like to request anything by Sharpton, a Pelosi, Jobs Karma for my overall, my daughter loves it, and a complete drone again at the end. Okay, I will write that down. I will add The peanut Reese's is my favorite Reese's peanut butter cups and I also like Earl Grey tea. We'll add that to the list and here you go. R-E-S-P-I-C-T Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma. Jonathan Greenlee comes up in the list $333.33 out of sympathy for your email woes

1:23:07 Which I haven't checked this this last one was probably probably normal But what I changed a couple of things, I took the caps out of the send line, which I'm gonna have to retest. I tested that once before. Ah, okay. And what was the result? This is an ongoing thing? I said I haven't tested it yet. Oh, I'm sorry. The result seemed back to normal, but I don't know if it's that or less links. There's a lot of different possibilities. But I'm gonna retest my thesis about, and I noticed a number of people were tweeting about these tips for doing email. Marketing email marketing in particular personally I think the incessant the graphics of Kellyanne Conway is probably let through all the spam filters

1:23:48 You should just have some horrible picture of anyone connected to Trump and you get promoted to the top of the stack. Good to go. You should give it a shot or just make the titles, you know, Trump sucks. And let's see, you know, it should just go to the top. It should be, it should even get a little flag. I don't want to say that you could be right, but you could be right. I could be right. It's worth, it's worth a try. In AB. If you didn't get the last newsletter, you should get it just to look at the horrible pictures of poor Kellyanne Conway. That was great. But you know, she's in the news a lot. Anyway, out of sympathy, he writes for your email, woes, I've consolidated the households, sank a cafe, drafting classes, dead flies, rye crisp, amphetamine, chlorodent, and a...

1:24:32 and a fee or asthma is actually asthma cigarettes budgets into a payments directly to you the best podcast in the universe please play me a Christmas jingle or two and de-douche this future night as well I'll do some karma with it then you've been de-douched you've got Christmas karma Merry Christmas slave You've got You know Chris Wilson sent me a Quite a long Christmas song for the show But I'm not gonna play it today. It's too early and that's that's one for right near Christmas So, you know, but I will start to stock up on some Christmassy stuff because everyone's you know, everyone's in this in the in the season spirit Yousef Higazi $333 from Plymouth, Michigan

1:25:28 Your shows have been getting better as of late, so I'm happy to give you guys some much-deserved value in return. The work you've been doing on EU news, especially France, is very refreshing, and its analysis I can't get anywhere else. I appreciate that you are making the Trump analysis more concise. I feel it's an improvement to the show. I know the topic of Trump coverage. Now, I want to stop here. This is a very long note, by the way. It's a very long note. I'm going to probably skip some of it. But I want to stop here and mention that the preoccupation with Trump is in the media, but it's also in our notes with people bitching about Trump coverage. You know, I don't think anyone would find this ironic. Yeah, very ironic. Like now we have to listen to you bitch about us bitching about.

1:26:16 Yeah, I know the topic of Trump coverage on the show has been a sensitive one for you since so before you read on I want you to know I'm not trying to be confrontational. I just want to have an open dialogue as it seems there's a disconnect between us as people who listen to the show and I'm going to I'm sorry I think I'm channeling his voice. Yes, this is Michigan Local 1. You know they had a they had a meetup which they do very regularly and I think that the topic of Trump coverage was discussed And I really don't feel like talking about it, but fine. Let's go and go. Those who managed to perform the show, that's us performing the show, I feel that way after hearing grumbling about keeping the Trump segment short. There's no segment. There's no segment. There's no segment.

1:27:03 There's no Trump segment. Today we didn't even do Trump, we just came up because of the George H.W. Bush. No, no, no, I did a whole, no John, this is what it is. I did a whole piece on the trial of the Trump campaign, which was about Facebook and the media and the inner workings of advertising. People hear Trump and they hear it's a Trump segment. I can't help that. This is very interesting information. And Trump's name is mentioned because it's part of it. Okay, well let me skip the rest of that complaint. Adam puts a lot of effort into making the audio quality of the podcast impeccable. I think that's all I need. Yeah, but read on.

1:27:48 Well, the impeccable, okay, well, and he wants the listeners to have a high experience. It's like a waiter in a tux and white gloves bringing out a silver platter. However, when the main dish that the waiter brings out is the Kraft mac and cheese that represents the hysteric Trump news. Okay, I'm not reading anymore. Anyway, took the executive producership if any other listeners out there have to continue enjoying the premium quality of no agenda show Please also consider paying whatever premium that you think the show is worth to you I've had a subscription for a while now and with this donation. I'm close to knighthood. Please give me some financial goat karma And I want to reach knighthood by spring yeah, and I appreciate your note, but I do not agree with your analogies and

1:28:36 Well, this is an example of these locals. This happens when people are... We need to go visit. We do. We got to go teach them some manners. I think you should have taken a run up to Michigan while you were in Chicago last time. Yeah. You know, I was there for, I don't know, like a memorial and I wasn't really in the meetup mode. Okay. How about a Texas meetup? I have meetup news later. But thank you very much. Of course, we appreciate your donation and the feedback. It's a little redundant. You know, we, we, I think if you really

1:29:14 Go listen and really listen to what we're saying that the majority of the show is not about Trump I'm pretty sure you can time it and you'll come up with some interesting numbers however, I do have for you the karma of the Financial karma of the goat variety queued up. Here you go. You've got karma Nick Foster in Trimble, Missouri 333 and he's got a nice note I need investment karma ASIC mining Colorado It's investing in a mining company. No way. No, no way basic isn't that application specific integrated circuit? Maybe it's a is a Bitcoin mining or is it crypto mining? I didn't look it up. I got the karma for him though. You've got karma Okay, so we go to

1:30:15 the, excuse me, associate executive producers with Sir Dave Baron of Kansas City in Gladstone, Missouri, 241 30. And he writes gents, this donation represents the sum of anniversary and birthday dates coming up this week. So request a shout out for my smoking hot wife, Dame melody for our 50th, you know, by the way, 15th, 15th, 15th, Every woman I've ever run into named Melody is always gorgeous. Funny how that works. I agree. And I've never really run into an attractive Beatrice. Funny, the old queen of the Netherlands. Yeah, you're right. Dame Melody for her 15th anniversary and Dame Isabella on her 10th birthday. Thanks, Sir Dave Baron of Kansas City. Thank you very much, sir.

1:31:10 Karma. Oh, no, he says no. He says shout out. I don't shout. Okay. Shout out. North West, Wisconsin. Meanwhile, the crazy state of Wisconsin 23456. And he's in Barron, Wisconsin. D-douche me? Okay. You've been D-douched. And he needs a little job, Carmen, with a comment. This is an investment, not a donation. You know, that's actually a very modern way of talking about donations. That's what the PBS operation does. Oh, really? Is that new or they've always done that? No, it's been going on for... It's relatively new, but it's been going on for at least five years. But I see it more as a... This is your best investment. Right. But I would say this is a production investment. It's an investment in a production. And it gives you a return. If you're not getting a return for it, then you should not invest. And I think people know very well what you get, especially when we hand out the Karmas.

1:32:10 Oh, jobs. You've got karma. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. Anonymous in Deutschland, $200. Please keep this anonymous and keep up the good work. Much appreciated, especially the views on the EU from the US. Greetings from Deutschland is the name there. I'll leave anonymous. And that concludes our group of executive and associate executive producers for the show 1092, I believe. I do have another note I'd like to read in this karma request from P.W. Smith.

1:32:56 Yeah, I was gonna do that in the second, in the second. Okay, we'll put it off to then. Yeah, and I want to thank all of our executive producers and associate executive producers for not only financing the episode, which is what associate and executive producers do, but also with the feedback. It's not, it's not, it doesn't go unnoticed. We'll argue with you where we think it's valid, but the feedback is, that's what you do as a producer. So that is incredibly appreciated. Yeah, that's what producers do, they bitch. And you're welcome to it. If you could just make it a little shorter because, you know, there's only so much show. And we'll be thanking more people at $50 and above in our second segment. And of course, we have a show coming up on Sunday. You can support that at vorac.org slash N-A. You know all the inner workings of the face bag now. Go other. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order. Shut up.

1:33:59 Let's talk Yellow Jackets for a moment. Well, I do have an introductory clip. Very good. Is it called Yellow Jackets Backgrounder? Where's that? No, I'm just guessing. Maybe it's French gas tax resolution. Yes. French President Emmanuel Macron has scrapped a proposed fuel tax hike that sparked the most violent protests in decades. His government initially had said that it would suspend the tax for six months. Tonight, Macron's Prime Minister said that the tax is now a dead letter and he called for dialogue with the protest groups.

1:34:42 Are you sure? Is it now completely cancelled? I thought it was still suspended. No. He superseded that, huh? Yeah, it's done. Hmm. Well, what was great to watch is, and only on YouTube and other online video, is ambulance drivers joining in the protest, riot police joining in the protest, firemen joining in the protest. This is something we can't account. We used to be able to accomplish stuff like this in the United States, but long gone. We can, we'll never see anything like this. The French are the, is the last country, the last ones that can still accomplish this. I'm surprised that they're in the EU and the most scandalous thing, of course, with France is that the EU has asked France to give up their seat on the Security Council and give it to the EU. Yes, as discussed on the last episode. Which was discussed on the last show, which is illegal, by the way. So what is fascinating about this story and some other mainstream outlets are noticing, I think Tucker Carlson did a piece on it,

1:35:40 is that the true nature, and even Scott Adams was surprised, I guess he finally figured out through one story that he got in the M5M, that this is about the global warming climate change tax that has been added, and it's of course just the start of how people will pay according to the Paris Accord. None of the background of the story is really discussed much in any M5M, not around the world either. There's a possibility that there might have even been a D notice in the UK or some partial D notice about not making a big deal out of it. And when I got that note over the weekend, Paris was burning and I looked at the homepage of the BBC and Sky News and nothing was on the homepage. It was under the Europe tab. You had to go in and it still did not really mention what it's about.

1:36:30 Saturday, there's a big protest planned at Macron's house, that would be his palace. I don't know how this changes with him revoking the tax or reversing the tax. Obviously, there's something else at play here. The yellow jackets is no coincidence. I mean, this is a color revolution almost by definition, which means there could be other people behind it. I think there's a lot of actors, you know, they're called extreme left, you know, extreme right a lot of troublemakers show up for this stuff troublemakers but it's also spreading it's in the Netherlands it's in Belgium it's spreading to other countries and that of course is what needs to be slowed down and stopped and that's why people can't really know the the actual issue I caught a clip of

1:37:18 But I was on NPR and they brought in a BBC journalist. This was before the cancellation of the tax. There was still a suspension but listen to how they can't they cannot bring themselves to say It's about the climate change tax and the Paris Accord money that has to be raised over the backs of all citizens, but of course people get hurt the most when it's a fuel tax. It's very hard for them to admit that. It's really funny to listen to. And there's some other things in here that I think are interesting. Well, the Prime Minister in announcing the suspension of the taxes said people's anger must be heard, there has to be proper debate.

1:37:57 But Macron had implemented the taxes, mainly the tax on diesel fuel that's used, primarily to offset environmental concerns. Are there people who approve of that? Environmental concerns, John. It's not climate, it's environmental concerns. I mean what's the public sentiment? We see the pictures of the cars on fire and the you know these violent protests but what's the sense of the French people? Well it's gone long beyond... I love this, the French people are the ones on the street young lady. They're the ones burning stuff. Why are you asking what what are the French people think? Does she mean the French elites?

1:38:35 What does he mean by that? This is a very strange question. What's the sense of the French people? Well, it's gone long beyond that initial cause, which was, as you say, the fuel tax. fuel tax hike which is coming it's one of a series of increases which go back many years before Macron, the carbon tax which was to be brought in over many years he sort of accelerated that process and it's all part of greening the economy and greening the economy with which most people including most yellow you know yellow vest would agree but you know

1:39:13 The green, yeah, if you put it that way, the greening of the economy, but if you say, hey, that's the climate change tax. There's a higher issue for the people who are protesting, which is their standard of living, the sense that this is a policy being dictated to them from the kind of comfortably off town dwellers who don't really need cars. And so they feel that they're having to pay for the conscience, the good conscience of the metropolitan elite. Yes. You know, it's part this this whole dialectic between town and and provinces very much part of modern day politics. Oh, it's just about cars. Apparently, it's just people who don't have cars and people who do need cars. Oh, yeah, sure. In Europe and in America, too. You know, these are people saying, hang on a sec. You know, you may have your conscience, but we've got our livelihoods.

1:40:02 and that's what lies behind it. As for the violence, well I mean there's no doubt that there are some very angry people among the yellow vests, there's also no question that they were professional revolutionary people of far left and far right who have latched onto it and were there doing most of the burning on Saturday. Plus, I have to say, because I saw it myself, people, kids from the Borla, you know, the ones who write it, and thought coming in and just taking advantage of the whole thing. Look, we've got just a few seconds here. This is a suspension, not a cancellation. So what's the sense of what might happen?

1:40:38 Well, yeah, indeed, and there are people already saying this is not enough. My feeling is that we'll probably have another protest on Saturday by hardliners, but the aim of this concession is to speak to the majority, to the country as a whole, to get them to say, oh yes, look, the government has reacted, it is listening, and that should the government hopes, and I think it may be right to remove some of the momentum behind the protest movement as a whole, which means we might have, it might have peaked and we might be on a kind of de-escalation now. Is well what happens when the next thing takes place where money has to be raised because that is what the Paris Accord is it is? Money grab it's yeah, it's your money that your government has signed on to spend so to say oh well No, we'll just simmer it all down a little bit. Yeah, the money you've committed to it You've got to pay for it So it has to come from somewhere and the protests will come back and it's gonna be much worse and they chop heads off in France

1:41:36 They get carried away in France. There's no doubt about that. By the way, this discussion is shown up at the table and I never thought about this, but nobody, you mentioned it on the show, I didn't know about it. And nobody that I've ever talked to knows about it. And it seems like an element of this, there's two aspects to it that make it interesting. And we're talking about the yellow vests themselves. Every car is equipped with a yellow vest in the trunk. And a breathalyzer. Yes, by law, French have to have a breathalyzer in their car. The Muslim influence on France and the anti-drinking campaign in the wine country, which is very annoying to the wine growers. I don't know about that, but yeah, I know that it's law. Okay, answer what came up at the table. I was thinking about it, the fact that nobody knows that everyone's got these yellow vests, so they didn't have to invest anything, it's just take it out of the trunk and wear it.

1:42:32 I was thinking further about it and I said, you know, that's not a bad idea. We should, that might not be a bad law to have here or maybe even the car companies can voluntarily, because a lot of people do get hit on the side of the road when they're working on their car. They have some mishap. If they had those yellow vests on, it might save lives. You're saying make it mandatory? Yeah. All right. John C. or Casio Cortez. You democratic socialist you stop with this Here we go. Stek sent me something. It was hilarious. It's a entremont a little short one It is the catch of the day. This is something that is inherently completely false it comes from a respected news outlet NBC News and We ran the clip and check false. See if you can find what is wrong in this clip catch

1:43:30 Catch of the day. Days before her disappearance, images of joyful 36-year-old Karla Stefaniak celebrating her birthday on vacation in Costa Rica. Her family hopeful she'll be found alive. I want to tell her that I love her, that I want her to come back home with us. But today, island authorities made grim discoveries. A body that appears to be a woman found in a wooded area close to the Airbnb apartment. What was entirely and stupidly wrong? That took place in Costa Rica? Well, Costa Rica, yes, but what did she say about Costa Rica that is just a head shaker from NBC News? Oh, nuts. Okay, well play it again.

1:44:19 Okay, I won't play the whole thing just... Six-year-old Carla Stefaniak celebrating her birthday on vacation in Costa Rica. Her family hopeful she'll be found alive. I want to tell her that I love her, that I want her to come back home with us. Como Carla Stefanik. But today, island authorities made grim discoveries. Costa Rica not an island and DC girl in the troll room was the first one to get it right. I mean, that's, that's, that makes us look stupid here. Island authorities. Island authorities. Good reporting, on the ground reporting on the island. Woohoo! Fantastic. Those people get paid millions of dollars off that. Yeah. Not for us, Jean-Claude. Not for us. Yeah.

1:45:11 Well, I have a short one since you had mentioned the, you calling me out as a Cortesio Cortez or whatever. Democratic Socialist. So the Socialists, the thing that's going on now is because of the education system in this country has resulted in this particular, this is one of the many clips and it's part of a bigger report that I started looking at and it's actually quite fascinating, but play millennials prefer communism. OK. American millennials say they would rather live in a socialist or communist country than a capitalist democracy. That's according to a new survey from the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. The data shows that one in two millennials would rather live in a socialist country than a capitalist one. Here are some other interesting numbers from the survey. 22 percent of those polled have a favorable view of Karl Marx, the father of communism.

1:46:04 and the author of the Communist Manifesto. And a lot of them see Joseph Stalin and Kim Jong-un as heroes. The executive director of the organization, Marion Smith, said, quote, It's worth noting that in the survey, 71% failed to correctly define communism. Smith says he sees the numbers as a troubling turn and shows the failure of the country's education system. No kidding. Hello. This operation, by the way, this victims of communism or whatever it's called, I looked it up and it turns out to be actually, it's actually a congressional funded operation. So it's not some fly by night, you know, group. And I looked at the report, they've been doing this report for a number of years. I looked at 2016, 2017, 2018 report, which just came out shows it goes from like

1:47:02 35 or 40 percent of the Millennials want to live under socialist rule or communism. And then it goes up to about 49 percent. Now it's at about 53 percent. It keeps going up. Well, they just want free stuff. Yeah, I think that's a lot of it. And one of our producers sent me a very long note about student loans and that 2035 is going to be a very, I'm paraphrasing his note, 2035 is going, and he has standing in the area. It'll be very interesting because the way the student loans work, you have your 20 years and you pay based on some formula, which is changing all the time and is about to change again. So you might pay, it's based upon your income, et cetera.

1:47:45 And so you might be paying $200 a month for 20 years or it could be 80, but that does get adjusted. Here's the great thing. If you can just squeak by and just really not make enough to have to pay anything, after 20 years, whatever is left over of your amount, what you have paid, which varies from year to year based on your position in life, how much money you're making, the rest is just erased. And right now the conversation amongst the financiers is, will this be added to your income in the year that all of that is erased? And most likely not. But that could be quite a moment. Most likely, yes. It could be quite a moment of like a trillion dollars just evaporating from the books as something that has been wiped away. So keeping our eye on that. You're going to get taxed for that?

1:48:42 Well, you know, a lot of these, a lot of times a benefit does get added to your income tax. There's been examples. I can't think of one now, of course. Lots of examples. Are there lots of examples? Well, yeah. If somebody gives you an airplane trip to some place, you got to pay taxes on that. Yeah, if you win at the slots. About seven years ago, we started really looking at pipelines. And in fact, there's a pipeline episode that is kind of interesting. And there's been a lot of development since then. I think the most recent one after Germany got its second pipeline from Russia is the Turkish Stream, which is Russia going through Turkey and Turkey, of course, wanting to move that on into Europe, which is the largest customer of natural gas.

1:49:30 And we also talked about the Nobel Energy. who had on their board of advisors at the time certainly Bill Clinton a lot of the big names I think you know probably Colin Powell all these mofos were all in on this deal and they had discovered the Leviathan field off the coast of well it's kind of complicated is it off the coast of Israel is off the coast of Lebanon is it really a little bit Cyprus you know who who claimed it well Noble Energy claimed it and they're saying it belongs to Israel And then came this report. The Deep Sea East Med Pipeline Project will begin 170 kilometers off the southern coast of Cyprus and stretch 2,200 kilometers to Italy. It will be able to transport up to 20 billion cubic meters of fuel each year. Jerusalem intends to use several vast underwater natural gas reserves discovered off the country's coastline to help Europe meet ever-increasing demands for the precious resource.

1:50:41 Jerusalem is also hoping that the export will have a positive environmental impact and that it can improve Israel's diplomatic standing abroad. Yeah, I'm sure everyone's gonna love you for trying to cut out Russia. Not gonna take too favorably to this. The whole thing, there's gonna be a glut of natural gas. I don't know how this, you know, I like the way they've pitched natural gas as the solution to climate change because which is bull crap. I mean, it produces quite a bit of carbon dioxide, but it's beside the point. But they're going to be inundated with natural gas in Europe. It's got to collapse the prices, which is what's going to have to happen. And it's going to cause a worldwide depression. It's not going to be good. It's way too much. Too much.

1:51:30 They're all pumping like crazy thinking this, you know, we got to get it there while we can. Do you think this latest round of tête-à-tête, mano-a-mano, back and forth between Putin and Trump, the US and Russia, with the arms treaty, and I'll give you 60 days here and there, doesn't this feel like, I mean, to me, I would, if you said to me, Trump and Putin made an agreement, hey, let's just rack that shit up, let's get everyone all freaked out again, we did it really well in the past. with the Cuban Missile Crisis. Let's get everyone a little bit, you know, on edge. Let's bring back the terms like mad, mutually assured destruction to drive our economies with more war stuff. Trump clearly loves building war stuff. That's what our economy drives on. All our money goes into that. It seems to me like this would be a kind of ploy.

1:50:41 Jerusalem is also hoping that the export will have a positive environmental impact and that it can improve Israel's diplomatic standing abroad. Yeah, I'm sure everyone's gonna love you for trying to cut out Russia. Not gonna take too favorably to this. The whole thing, there's gonna be a glut of natural gas. I don't know how this, you know, I like the way they've pitched natural gas as the solution to climate change because which is bull crap. I mean, it produces quite a bit of carbon dioxide, but it's beside the point. But they're going to be inundated with natural gas in Europe. It's got to collapse the prices, which is what's going to have to happen. And it's going to cause a worldwide depression. It's not going to be good. It's way too much. Too much.

1:51:30 They're all pumping like crazy thinking this, you know, we got to get it there while we can. Do you think this latest round of tête-à-tête, mano-a-mano, back and forth between Putin and Trump, the US and Russia, with the arms treaty, and I'll give you 60 days here and there, doesn't this feel like, I mean, to me, I would, if you said to me, Trump and Putin made an agreement, hey, let's just rack that shit up, let's get everyone all freaked out again, we did it really well in the past. with the Cuban Missile Crisis. Let's get everyone a little bit, you know, on edge. Let's bring back the terms like mad, mutually assured destruction to drive our economies with more war stuff. Trump clearly loves building war stuff. That's what our economy drives on. All our money goes into that. It seems to me like this would be a kind of ploy.

1:52:25 Yeah, and it's obvious that the military has taken over the White House and Trump loves the military. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A high school kid raised in a military school because his dad sent him to one, which was always a threat my parents had because I guess it was a big deal back in the day where where you would, you know, where military schools were all over the place and it was a common threat that you gave to kids. If you don't clean up your room, I'm sending you to military school. That's right. And you know what the troublemakers of school usually had to do? They had to be on the drill team on weekends. Because that would teach you some discipline, get on the drill team.

1:53:07 So you shape up. Trump, I guess, was such an incorrigible kid that they did send him to military school and he liked it. Yeah, so I never joined the military because they didn't like it that much but everything I hear is all this, you know, they're just ratcheting this up. And I don't know, it just seems phony baloney to me. Yeah, it does seem phony baloney. I agree. It seems something fake about it. But let me stay in Europe. Okay. Because people love this European coverage. So there was an anomaly to me as the migration crisis continued at a fast pace.

1:53:45 And that is the pre-migration, I remember the bitchin' and moanin' that went on in Denmark. You know, Denmark hooked themselves up to Sweden through this very long bridge. Which I went over it on the, the train goes on it, and also cars. And it's extreme, I don't know how long it is, but it's long. And it goes all the way to southern Sweden, to the Malmo area. Which is largely, nowadays, largely a Muslim area in Sweden, where the south of Sweden is where all the Muslims are. It's 1,608 feet. It's only a thousand feet? If I'm looking at the right bridge. In Sweden it's more than a thousand feet. That can't be the right bridge.

1:54:31 Is that the Orozone Bridge? Yeah, the Orozone Bridge. A thousand feet? I can throw a football farther than that. No, keep going on with the story. I'll check my facts. Oh, I'm sorry, eight kilometers. What am I talking about? Okay, there we go. It's more like it. Anyway, the so but but all during the pre-migration era there was this bitching and moaning by the oh the Danish they're not playing fair because they have they've been kicking Muslims out of course it was the scandal with the cartoonist which came out of Denmark you know showing the pig depicting Muhammad which is not the no no Muslim it's not even legal in the EU anymore yeah no well there you go it's illegal they outlawed it

1:55:14 It's ridiculous, but we'll just go along with it. But so it made no sense to me that Denmark was going to go along with it because they were taking a bunch of migrants by the ton. And I'm thinking, how does that work with their history of really being very xenophobic, happiest people in the world? Yes, also, they also take the most antidepressants in the world. True. Well, that makes them happy. Yes. So I'm so I'm what all of a sudden this story which was buried on CBS they would they it was if you even find it you have to find out CBS and it's done like a package but they never pushed it into the mainstream the regular nightly news and

1:55:55 It explains a lot. This is the Denmark clip. It says it will send all of its unwelcome migrants to a remote island by 2021. The asylum seekers who will be sent there either have criminal records which prohibit them to work in Denmark or people who cannot be returned to their home countries. The island currently holds labs and stables and the crematory of a research center for contagious animal diseases. The foreigners will be required to report to the island center at least once a day or face imprisonment. Ferry departures from the island will be limited. Denmark's prime minister said the goal is to no longer integrate migrants but host them until they can return to their home countries. As many as 100 people will be relocated to the island.

1:56:41 Lindholm Island. It's some hellhole. It's horrible. I know. They're moving people to it. I think this is the classic example. Hey, we're doing them a favor. Meanwhile, the anti-migration party Vox had a big win in Spain as the populist wave continues. It's not stopping. You know, it's like the politicians, we have it here, it's everywhere, but in the EU for sure, They don't really, they have not comprehended that it works differently. They haven't quite figured it out that the internet ruined their, you know, the trifecta of politicians, media, and should we say the justice system.

1:57:26 I mean, they just haven't figured it out that media is change. People understand now what you're doing. We see behind the curtain the whole time and they just pretend like you didn't see it. Like Brexit, you know the vote is coming. You know that do-over is coming, if not a general election. I mean, this was not just once, which was unprecedented. Never before has there been a vote of holding the government or the executive in contempt of Parliament, but there were two! Two in a row! I mean, my friends in the UK, they're like, holy crap, they don't understand. A lot of people are very confused and worried about the situation. I bet they are. But this is really a breakdown in the whole system and they don't know how... Trump is, I have to say, he's the only one that figured out one part of it and that's yell loud on Twitter.

1:58:24 That's what he's been able to do with the internet besides all that face bag stuff. That's kind of traditional marketing. They still think that they can do their little thing behind closed doors. The Marrakesh agreement, the Dutch are not in agreement with it. They do not want the compact on migration signed by their government. The government just said, yeah, we're going to sign it anyway. I know. It's hilarious. We're just going to sign it anyway. They do not care. So, you know, what's happening in France, it will never be as elegant, but we're going to see all kinds of crap coming down in Europe. I've lived there. I know that the people are fed up with all kinds of stuff.

1:59:06 Anyway, we talked about our military. Here's an update And in the black trunks weighing in at over 3,000 troops the ISIS virus, the killer from Nigeria, Ebola That's right. We are still trying to get troops into the Democratic Republic of Congo because they've got Ebola there. It's scary, but it's not really moving fast enough. We can't get enough traction with the story. We need to get in there because you know there's some valuable minerals, there's things that we really want, and even turns out there's oil that gets shipped out. We used to be able to get the troops in with Ebola. Screw it!

1:59:47 Bring out the backup script. The US Embassy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo was closed after US operatives obtained intelligence that an ISIS affiliate may be planning an attack on American assets in the region, CNN reported Monday. US officials told the network that while ISIS does not operate in the DRC, the terror group might enter the country for the attack. The State Department confirmed to The Hill that the embassy is reopened Tuesday after being closed since November 24th. because of credible and specific information of a possible terrorist threat against US government facilities in Kinshasa. I mean, seriously, is this what you're trying to do? I mean, ISIS, they don't even operate in there. You never know. You better be safe than sorry. They want the military in there so bad they can almost taste it. Well, they're going to get their desires. Eventually. You know, Faraj quit the UKIP.

2:00:48 Yep, he says he starts as he's starting a new party and I read that somewhere. No, he that's what everyone wants him to do Oh, he says he might do something. I have the his quitting clip I would prefer to put it into show notes if you can put it in there sure sure I can three minutes and 57 7s kind of long is 57 seconds for something that should have taken 57 seconds Yeah, it's a little long long. Yeah, I do back to the States. I Oh, actually, no, there's one last EU story which just kind of fascinated me because they ran it at all. It's something nobody really, I guess some people care about the mobsters being rounded up and there's a huge ring of mobsters that are running the EU? Play the mobster story. Where are they from? Are they from Yugoslavia? No, they're from Italy, I think. Oh, oh, yes. Yeah, the Dutch had something to do with this, I think. Yes. Oops.

2:01:44 European police arrested at least 84 suspected mobsters today in raids across Italy, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands. They targeted an Italian mafia syndicate known as Indragetta and they accused and accused, it is accused of cocaine trafficking, money laundering and other crimes. At the Hague, Italy's top anti-mafia prosecutor said the raids are just a small step in taking down the group's vast network. I wanted to underline once again how Indrangheta has cells that operate cooperating amongst each other and in a network that covers the whole of Europe.

2:02:23 If we think we have dismantled Indra's ghetto with this operation, we are probably, actually certainly, we are wrong. You know, the Netherlands, same for Belgium, they're great countries. They don't make a problem out of most things. You can come in, you can go anywhere you want, you can move drugs. The Netherlands is the drug capital of Europe. Everything moves through there. That's where the manufacture is. Fantastic. It's a great country to do business in. And once in a while, you take a couple guys out. I have an update on my friend Rathelband who wanted to have his age changed legally. He went to court. Oh yes, yes, that's it, yeah. Yeah, he went to court and you will hear the court person speaking about the verdict.

2:03:07 You will also hear Emile later talking about it. Age requirements in the law give rights and duties to people, for instance the right to vote or the duty to attend school. And if those requirements wouldn't count, if you could change your date of birth, that would become meaningless. Emil Rattelband, the man who wants to change his age, describes himself as a young god.

2:03:59 all those things what happened and that's the meaning of me. God has given us many many reasons so we can attack now at the same time. So we have lost the battle with we are going to win the war. Never give up. If there is a way, if there is no way I will create my own way. That is so Emil. If there is no way I create my own way and we do it anyway. Yes, I'm gonna call him and ask him how he's gonna win the war. He'll tell me this. He'll tell me the strategy I just think of the pronoun use the pronoun God Yeah, yeah, and you know what he is pretty relentless with stuff like this unless something better comes along that puts him in the public eye But I think he's really latched. He's a little older now I think he's latched on to it And I think he'll he'll stick it out and if he says he has many opportunities now to go back at the government He has one so I'll give him a call and I'll find out

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2:10:41 You're gonna have an Austin meetup in Des Moines, Iowa? No, I said I still do not have a date. I still do not have a date for the Texas meetup. Okay. But the Keeper and I will be in Des Moines, Iowa and we'd like to do a meetup on the 22nd of February. Really? Yeah, yeah. We're there for a wedding so we would love to do a meetup and if some producers could organize that, that would be fab. Let's see what that date looks like. But also all Texans welcome. Well, I guess the 22nd is a Friday night, which is perfect. Yep. Yep. Yep. Friday night is one of the perfect days to do one. Yeah. Because people are still working in town. They don't want to come back on Saturday. Friday is great. That's a great day for a meetup in Des Moines. Pick up a lot of the Midwest. Probably you'll get at least one or two out of staters. Yes.

2:11:38 Before we move on, I have one... Have you ever been to Des Moines, Iowa? You know, yes. I don't remember, but I know I've been... It's a beautiful town. Yeah. I think it was MTV days. I probably did some appearance for the crappy Top 40 radio station with Marky Mark. A couple of things about Iowa I'd like to mention. One, there's near Des Moines is where a lot of those bridges of Madison County are, which are funky to go visit and drive. You can't drive through them. You'd walk through them. And the beef in Iowa is the best in the country. I can see people moving to Iowa just to eat the beef. Finally we know where it is. A make good. You and I made incorrect assumptions, therefore we made an ass out of me and you, John. Kim Muir. Yes, Kim Muir became a knight of the No Agenda Roundtable. Kim sent a very nice note.

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2:16:42 account for it a little bit. I have a commercial that was done before Paul Hogan became famous as an actor. He was a spokesperson for the Australian Tourist Bureau. Really? And in the 70s or 80s, this commercial ran with Paul Hogan. It's a 60 second commercial. I want to point out an interesting anomaly within this commercial. America, it's a holiday, a fair dinkum holiday. In the land of wonder, the land down under. Now there's a few things I've got to warn you about. Firstly, you're going to get wet. Because the place is surrounded by water. Oh, and you're going to have to learn to say good-bye.

2:17:24 Because every day is a good day in Australia. G'day Paul. G'day love. Of course you'll have to get used to some of the local customs like getting suntanned at the restaurant, playing football without a helmet and calling everyone mate. Thanks mate. She's right mate. Apart from that, no worries. You'll have the time of your life in Australia. Because we talk the same language. Although you lot do have a funny accent. Before you rush out to book your Aussie holiday, get the Aussie holiday book from your airline or travel agent. Come on. Come and say good day. I'll slip an extra shrimp on the bar before you. America's discovered the wonders down under. And you? You're not gonna let it go, are ya? Shrimp!

2:18:06 This was some years ago and this is the Australian Tourist Bureau and he said shrimp. They should, well, they should kill him. Now the thing was, it was a gag because he's, he holds up a prawn that's the size of a small Maine lobster. And then he says shrimp, shrimp just to make sure that, you know, they can ridicule us because even our prawns are smaller than the thing he had, but it was still a shrimp. Meanwhile, we get the best of Australia. Just look at what we got, man. We got the, uh, we got Chris Wilson. We got so many good things. We got our, our, our Dame on TV, Sarah, Sarah, Sarah. Yeah, it was Sarah. We got, we got the best of Australia on this show. I have a shrimp iso, see if it's appropriate for the end of the show. Okay. I have an iso as well. Let me see your shrimp iso. I'll slip an extra shrimp on the barbie for you. It's a contender.

2:19:05 I think what's really going on in Australia though is this new encryption law, which I think it's passed now. And attention, attention down under, your app store is about to empty out because what they're saying is partly I'll read from this is an official source, New York Times. Australian Parliament passed a contentious encryption bill on Thursday to require technology companies to provide law enforcement and security agents with access to encrypted communications, specifically apps like WhatsApp and Signal. Yeah, good luck with that. That's not going to happen. They're not going to give you a key in Australia. Five eyes member. Telegram, Kik, that's what they all want.

2:19:54 So they passed this law that is completely unenforceable. Well, no, it's enforceable by banning those apps in Australia. And I'm sure Apple will comply because as you know, they are holy. Huh? Yeah, I know. They're idiots. I mean, not the Australians, but this is just nuts. Okay. I got a clip. It's really totally gratuitous. Just for the ISO. I thought was kind of funny is that this is Donna Brazil with George Stephanopoulos and this is all about any collusion is that it seems like everyone around President Trump on anything having to do with Russia We're not telling the truth. Absolutely Michael Cohen once boasted that he would take a bullet for Donald Trump But instead this week he delivered a smoking gun the fact that oh, yeah, that's smoking gun. Oh

2:20:47 because once again he said that what I provided before was consistent with what the president wanted me to say because I wanted to stay loyal to the president. Smoking gun. I think smoking gun. Oh yeah, that's the smoking gun. a produced ISO no less. God, well talking about I think a funnier line is Lindsey Graham and his MBS and he's got a he's got a I think a topper to smoking gun. You know, I found well I'll play your clip I found his his I have quite a bit of what he said. I have very little. Okay, we'll play your very little first. We'll look at your little one, then we'll look at my big one. I think he's complicit in the murder of Mr. Khashoggi to the highest level possible. I think the behavior before the Khashoggi murder was beyond disturbing and I cannot see him being a reliable partner to the United States. Secretary Pompeo and Mattis are following the lead of the President.

2:21:49 There's not a smoking gun. There's a smoking saw Very good Do you have a smoking saw I saw well? I think that nails it hold on smoking saw nailed it. There's not a smoking gun There's a smoking saw it's beautiful. You got it. Let's listen to he spoke for about a Five minutes and I think there are some other interesting things in here Which is not really covered very well, you know, of course not. Why would we but he's going against Trump in a massive way? Can you hear this it seems like heavy on one channel you okay you hearing it yes good, it's fine If the Saudi government is going to

2:22:40 being in the hands of this man for a long time to come, I find it very difficult to be able to do business because I think he's crazy. I think he is dangerous. And he has put the relationship at risk. No one has fought for this relationship harder than myself and Senator McCain. Senator McCain and I went on the floor stopping lawsuits against the kingdom for complicity in 9-11 because we did not believe the royal family was involved in the planning and execution of the 9-11 attacks. What? Wait, what?

2:23:20 He said Saudi Arabia was not involved in the 9-11 attacks? Yeah, in contradiction to the report. 28 pages that say they were! Yeah. Thanks, Lindsey. Et tu, Lindsey? If John McCain were alive, I believe he would be standing with me today, leading the charge to come down like a ton of bricks on the Crown Prince for what he's done to the relationship, the way he's destabilized the region. So what will I do? I will try to work my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to send a statement before the end of this Congress that, in fact, the Crown Prince was complicit

2:24:00 and the murder of Mr. Khashoggi, that during his tenure as Crown Prince, he's put the region in chaos and has undercut the relationship. And I cannot support arms sales to Saudi Arabia as long as he's going to be in charge of this country. It sounds, now that I'm listening to it again, it sounds like, okay, I'm going against everything Trump wants with the arms sales. But I think what he's really done is he's positioned the removal of MBS for the arms sales to continue. And he's going to make a big stink about it. So maybe he's in cahoots with Trump.

2:24:37 I believe it could be in cahoots with Trump, but I don't think I think there's a there's a schism within the royal family because there's some other guys a couple other guys that want this job that MBS has who they see as a too young he's kind of like a like Alexandria Cortez your hero my hero and so I think there's a schism and I think he and I believe this I bet you the CIA is involved in this and Lindsey's you know being briefed. Sure. And there's something going on to get rid of this guy and I wouldn't be surprised if he's not assassinated. MBS would make total sense.

2:25:19 And they tried to assassinate him already. We know this, that that's what happened in Vegas. I mean, that's our theory. It's a secondary theory to everything else. But it's not bad because there was gunshots reported everywhere. But I'm just waiting and you're going to see an assassination. Well, an attempt for sure, but that could be just staged as such. I think they may actually get to him. Yeah. Oh, that'll be fun. Well, it'll be yes, it will be fun. It'll be great. Yeah, I found an older report apparently the school lunch We've been discussing. It's one of the themes new themes for the show for the 20. I got a lot of response The people are you know?

2:26:02 parents in the lunchroom at their kids in grammar school. It's just, they're just disgusting. But this apparently goes back 2015. Here's a report from 2015 where this was a problem and they spotted it early and put a stop to it. This is the older report on school lunch. visitation. Parents are questioning new security measures at a Beaverton Elementary School just days after a deadly shooting at a school in California. Parents have now been banned from joining their children for lunch in the cafeteria. Christine Pinawana spoke with parents and administrators and joins us now live. Christine, this is at Jacob Wismer Elementary. And Chris, it's apparently a change they've been looking into making for some time now. A Beaverton School District spokesperson says about 750 kids go to the school, but there were a lot of parents coming in to eat lunch with their kids and it was just too much to keep an eye on everyone.

2:26:55 Every week, Chen Wang volunteers here at Jacob Wismer Elementary, helping to teach math. I have two kids. My daughter is fourth grade and my son is second grade. She, like many other parents, received this letter from the school principal, asking parents to drop off lunches for their kids here in the office, rather than bringing it straight to the cafeteria and eating lunch with them. They think about kids' safety, so I think it's really good. The letter to parents references the shooting in San Bernardino this week, where a man walked into a school, shot his estranged wife in a classroom, then himself. Three people, including a student, died. Obviously, any time we hear of a tragic incident such as in San Bernardino, I think all of our schools look at practices and what's happened.

2:27:37 Maureen Wheeler with the Beaverton School District says school officials have been thinking about making the lunchtime change for a while now. We have so many kids that we're supervising and having parents on top of that just became a real challenge for the school. Okay, so if I understand there's an element of parents just being so freaked out about their kids getting killed at school that they just have to go. Like that's gonna help. Well, but you know you and I underestimate possibly because our kids are out of school the feeling that because you know the the media it makes it very and much you know it gets a lot of views but you know but kids are also very very very worried there's a lot of kids who were just stressed out about getting killed at school

2:28:30 Now, I'm sure there are, but I'm also wondering what the element of...an element that's not brought into this and would be brought into this if this was going on when I was a kid. If your parents come to protect you or they're hovering over you during lunch or something, I think it would invite bullying. Yeah, I don't think it does. I think it's changed... I bet you it does. I'm not hearing that. I got a lot of feedback from people about this. I want to hear some...I want to hear from some kids. Yeah, me too. You know, we're hearing from parents, the parents are... You're right. I don't know. You're right. You're right. Now I have a... No, wait. No, no. Before you have, I got to stay in school for a moment. I have a PSA, public service announcement, that airs in Raleigh, North Carolina.

2:29:17 And this is an after- I believe it's an after-school activity that the school is sponsoring, but it's just very interesting to listen to. Upside Down is a group for youth 12 and younger who are transgender, genderqueer, gender variant, questioning, lesbian, gay, or bisexual. and all of their allies. Upside Down meets twice a month for friendship, support, and changing the world. All youth 12 and younger are welcome to join as they create a space where everyone can be themselves and take on youth-led projects and activities together. More information and meeting dates are at upsidedown180.org. This announcement is a public service of 88.1 WKNC. Hey, wait, can you play the end again? Uh, yeah. The URL I went to you are it's upside down something, something, something, something. Oh, I think it's upside down 180. Hold on.

2:30:04 Upside down 180.org. Upside down 180.org. Have you looked at the website? No, I have not. Well, let's look at it. Yeah, that's a good idea. I was just kind of like, wow, is there adult supervision 12 and under? I mean, what's... And there's quite a list of things you can... if you... let me just... while you're looking that up, let me see what this list is again. Upside Down is a group for youth 12 and younger who are transgender, transgender, genderqueer, genderqueer, gender varied, gender varied, questioning... Wait, wait, just 12 and under? Yes. What kind of a... what kind of a transgender do you have at the age of 7? Haha, hello? Where have you been? This is, you know...

2:30:54 Parents are, you know, the minute a boy, as an example, shows like, I want to play with a doll, boom, dress is on. You know, it's pink. Here's your new room, your new room color. It's a little bit of... Yeah, people are going a little overboard on some of this stuff. I had dolls when I was a kid. Dude, you live in San Francisco. Look around. That's where it's happening. That's where it's... You're like ground zero of this stuff. Jeez. It changed the world. It's about us. It doesn't tell us any names. I want names of people I'll look into this later asked you had a clip. I think on the last show about Mick that's the millennial The millennial publishing group Mick MIC Mick yeah, Mike Mike is it Mike okay? Yeah, they pronounce it Mike okay? And you had just a clip and they laid off the editorial staff and

2:31:51 And I found a bike. I don't someone send it to me or if I just came across a business insider apparently they Let the entire editor editorial staff go ahead of the sale to the bustle digital group to break a planned Union. Oh How about that for the Millennials who are DS? I don't know of any Millennials that think in terms of unionizing, but don't they think in terms of socialism? I That's what we you had a clip of that. Oh, you've got me cornered Good try Dvorak wrong again. Well most actually most socialist systems don't actually they make unions illegal But yeah, but you know what? I mean, it's like it sounds like that's they should be outraged by this

2:32:44 I'm doubting this this I'm doubting this story. I think just some pro-union propaganda Oh that could also be now just since you're the expert on the great man What do you what is your take on the I guess it's merger of equals they're calling it of Glenn Beck's blaze and Mark Levin creative cons was it the the Creative conservative Media? He's got some financed operation that is giving him some TV exposure on the internet and he does a subscription thing. But what's going on? Why are these two guys merging? I mean, is that because they can't make it on the... Specifically, those two guys can even get along. There's that. I think anybody who listens to both of them would know what I'm talking about. Is Glenn Beck still on the radio?

2:33:40 Yeah, I think so. He's still got his radio program and he's not you know, he's not at the top I don't think he's in the top. I don't hear him around here. I don't know where he is then. He's on some obscure time frame. So you're not gonna hear him and he also syndicated so you don't know he may not be playing in Texas at all. Isn't he based in Dallas or something? He got kicked off of WABC and for the first time in his career he won't even be in New York. Right. And so there's just a bunch of stuff going on. I think they know what to see the writing on the wall and they're gonna have to consolidate and the Blaze from what I've heard has always been kind of a sketchy money loser. I think that yeah, that's what I've always understood is that you know, okay, but he makes the money on his radio show. Maybe he has to add a little bit, you know, it's kind of like Leo, you know, makes money on the on this syndicated satellite thing and you know, the rest is window dressing at this point.

2:34:34 Wasn't like that, but and I just yeah, I seem live in his radio show I'm sure he's making tons of money millions and millions. He's got the support of the I mean That's the model you get the AM radio talk show you get a show on Fox. That's what that's the model right there Have you seen that girl Lisa by the way on Fox? No who was doing the political stuff? She's she's from some From a think tank or something. I just wanted to point out what from some think tank. She's a rising star man She's got it you watch Lisa on Fox. Yeah, let me see what her name is Lisa Booth Lisa Booth

2:35:09 She doesn't look... She comes right up on the side bar right there on the Googles. Yeah. She's a beauty. Now she's not... She's weird. Her eyes are very alien. She's got a lot of gum. Yeah, she's probably a lizard. She could be. No, she's more like a... I'm looking at her. I'm looking at her. She's more like a grey. She looks Icelandic actually with those eyeballs. That's more like a grey. Now she looks like a grey. For some reason... Yeah, maybe. For some reason, Icelanders have been... Their eyeballs have been moving out further and further. because of the inbreeding. And she got a lot of gum on her. And by the way, we're talking as television producers. Yes, we're the producers now. We're not just being catty, jerk-off men talking about someone on Fox. I'm telling you, this woman has nice hair. This woman. And she did the midterm reports for Tucker.

2:36:00 And she's like, she's a very odd head, very strange, but she's got it. And now they put her in substitute. She's gonna have her own show. I think she will be the Megyn Kelly replacement if they wanted, you know, a smart, beautiful woman. Well, they've had it. She's been running it. Shannon Bream was supposed to be beautiful. No, that's not gonna do it. This is the girl. Maybe this is her we'll see. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm calling it. She's uh, I wonder what her Tina's like wait, are you hot for her? I said no television producer Television producer baby talking about It's good. Okay, well, I'll keep it. I don't really watch Fox that much anymore. I only watch Tucker. That's all I watch on Fox. I have been good. I have been following it. This is a long clip and I think it's a good clip for the end of the show. Okay. Because it's kind of like, oh my God, kind of a clip. So less, more stuff has come out about Les Moonves. Ah, yes. Is this the, he had a hooker on staff?

2:37:03 stuff. So yeah, very good. So I'm listening to the report on democracy now and it's like so juicy. I'm thinking, wow, this is great. I'll get this clip and then I'll put it up against CBS's clip because I know they're going to say something, but it's going to be pretty lame because otherwise CBS is going to make themselves look bad by having this guy for so long. No, I was completely wrong. I just dropped a Democracy Now! clip. The CBS clip, which is three minutes and 15 seconds, really goes into it, which makes me wonder if Moonves was not really well liked by the news division. Because, I mean, this is a little overboard, this presentation, but it was very enjoyable. An explosive new report put together by lawyers for CBS accuses the company's former CEO, Les Moonves, of misleading investigators.

2:37:52 and destroying evidence in a sexual misconduct investigation. Moonves was forced out in September. This report is expected to be presented to the CBS board next week. The New York Times says it has seen an early draft. Jerrika Duncan has details, plus an interview tonight with a new accuser. And a warning sum of what you're about to hear is graphic. According to the Times, the 59-page draft report says Moonves deliberately lied about and minimized the extent of his sexual misconduct, partly to protect his $120 million severance package. Plus, he allegedly deleted text messages, instructed at least one person not to speak to investigators, and that either he or someone else handed over his son's iPad to investigators instead of his own.

2:38:38 knew about the allegations against him. There were people at CBS that knew about his efforts to try to cover up his behavior and a lot of people who didn't do anything about it. According to the Times, investigators interviewed 11 women and found their accounts to be credible. The Times says the lawyers have now identified a total of 17 women. Among the new allegations in the report Moonves had a CBS employee on call to perform oral sex on him and received oral sex from at least four CBS employees under circumstances that sound transactional. In 2017 at a Variety magazine event, Moonves said this about sexual harassment. But I think it's important that a company's culture will not allow for this.

2:39:27 The Times also reports that investigators found at least one CBS board member knew of the sexual misconduct allegations about Moonves before joining the board in 2007 and that last year CBS's former head of communications learned of a sexual misconduct allegation against Moonves but did not report it. Then he held me very, very close and he didn't kiss me, he just Stuck a stent in my throat. Today we spoke to another woman. June Seely Kimmel says Moonves forcibly kissed her in 1985 after she pitched a movie to him when Moonves was the head of development at 20th Century Fox. What would you say now? I can't believe I'm gonna get emotional. You killed the dream of a woman who was so young and needed a break.

2:40:17 and worked so hard to get that, and you really... It was awful. We reached out to Moonves' attorney for comment about Kemmel's accusation but have not heard back yet. But Moonves' attorney did tell the Times this, he denies having any non-consensual sexual relation and cooperated extensively and fully with the investigators. A spokesman for the investigators said no findings have been reported to the board And the board has reached no conclusions on this matter. The Times again says that this report is expected to be presented to the board sometime next week. Jeff? Oh, brother. What a douche. Well, the whole thing, of course, if you think about it, is the CBS has turned on him in a really aggressive way because they want to minimize that $120 million.

2:41:12 I gotta give the guy props though for having a hooker on premises. On call? On call. An actual call colleague. There was a button under his desk. Beep! It's time, it's time. I need another hummer. I just did a deal. Beep! Same guys that penalized everybody for Janet Jackson's nipple. There you go everybody, that's your CBS. Paying colleagues to fillet you while screaming bloody murder about a nipple. And that is your deconstruction for today. We'll be back on Sunday with more of the best podcast in the universe. Thank you so much for showing up. Thank you trolls. And thank you to all our executive producers, associate executive producers, and all the producers.

2:42:00 Who we always profusely thank. Remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA. Coming to you from downtown Austin, Tejas, capital of the drone star state, FEMA Region 6, on the governmental maps in the 5x9 Cluedio in the common law condo in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where it's not raining, it looks like it's going to be a good weekend too. I'm John C. Dvorak. We return on Sunday right here on No Agenda. Until then, adios, mofos! Just go for it, John. Tell us your peeve about the fisting method of eating snacks on an airplane. I see this on the airplane and it's very annoying and I think it will result in fights breaking out because it's just so annoying to watch. Guy takes his bag of peanuts and throws a pile of them into his palm of his hand and then he makes a fist.

2:43:00 around the nuts. And then he shakes his fist to try to bring a nut to the little hole. And then he throws a nut in his mouth from his fist. Then he does it again. He shakes and throws and shakes and throws. It is annoying as hell to watch. Everybody in the world is watching, by the way. I was played. I was used. Can you tell the president that you think he's been played on this? Yes, I have. Which is what will happen if we do not deliver on Brexit. They want the judge to put this matter to rest for good old Mike Flynn. He has been an ideal cooperator. His life's work, 33 years of serving his country, washed down the drain for this? Democrats across the country say the former Texas Senate candidate has the potential

2:44:14 to take the 2020 presidential primaries by storm. What do you think? And I think it does reflect reality. Everybody in the world is watching, by the way. Very legal and very cool. Bernie. Right, so, uh, Holly, you're right. I mean, this report released about a minute and 40 seconds ago very cool illnesses could shatter all records whatever happened to global warming don't be the scientists because they have a very big political agenda this is for things like tics caring very cool about east coast to uh hollywood writer and very cool about east coast about a minute and 40 seconds ago very cool learning right so

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2:46:12 Flying over Afghanistan, or maybe it was Pakistan I promised myself to aim myself at every woman, child and man That was on my list I don't care if I missed. I'm remote controlled, I do what I'm told, by someone at a computer. Obama gave me a push, more than Bush, and I cost millions. I'm supposed to target terrorists, but not so much civilians. I don't know what to say. Whoops, some got in my way.

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