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00:00 Gore has taken it up to a new level. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Sunday, October 14th, 2018. This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 1077. This is no agenda. Parsing the prophets and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in downtown Austin, Tejas, in the Cludio. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where I sit here awaiting the Zephyr. I'm John C. DeVore. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning. Yeah, we're just never gonna have that happen. I just heard it honk. No, no, no, no. It can't be. It is only 11 after the hour. It's not early. I'm telling you, I'm hearing it honk and I think it's gonna be... Well, I mean, I can hear the honk from Emeryville, this horn they got on these things. But...

00:52 The thing is, is that we never mentioned that about four shows ago, this effort came by three hours late after the show was over. Yeah, it was, you know, I can't believe I didn't call the Austin statesman to alert them to this fact. You shouldn't. It's something they should write up. So there's three or four big news deconstruction items. We have the, actually I have the correct pronunciation, Kshakji. situation, formerly known as Khashoggi. Before you go on with that, Amy Goodman got so confused with the pronunciation she would pronounce it two ways and she did say Khashoggi is the American pronunciation. Ah, well our dude... So it's still okay and I like Khashoggi better. I like it too but our dude named Bahama did send me a note and said the official pronunciation is Khasheggi.

01:43 Who wants to make it's impossible. It's okay. I just want to make sure everyone knows that you're sneezing I had to say good news tight every time you say it. That's a microaggression man So do you have a clip of her getting confused? You have a clip of her talking about you have a bunch of clips about the Khashoggi and her talking Given some some spiel. No, I don't have I didn't make that specific clip I mean, I wouldn't mind diving right into we'll just call him Khashoggi for our show just to make it easy. I Because this is very interesting in so many different ways and there's so much obvious bullcrap out there. For example, that they unlocked this guy's Apple Watch with his fingerprint. You don't need a fingerprint. Before we go into that, he had his finger right there. Yeah, but you don't need that to unlock the Apple phone. You just don't need it. No, I know, but they could have chopped his finger off anyway, just for the fun of it. Now, yeah.

02:38 I do have one, the longest clip I have is actually, I thought was a very good CNN rap. of the Khashoggi story without all the details you're gonna bring in and I'm gonna bring in. But it's just, and I thought it was an example of, a good example of CNN actually doing their job with Nick Robertson, who's a pretty good correspondent. Behind these walls topped with razor wire, the epicenter of a spiraling crisis that threatens to engulf this whole region, one that has reverberated far beyond Turkey.

03:14 A source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN that Turkish authorities have shared some of their evidence of Jamal Khashoggi's murder inside the consulate here with their Western intelligence allies. And some of those partners have been deeply, deeply shocked at the brutality of what they learned. The evidence, according to the CNN source via Western Intelligence, includes audio-visual information from inside the building, revealing an assault, a struggle, and the moment Khashoggi's life ends. On Friday, what appears to have been a Saudi delegation ushered quickly into the building. Mission unknown.

03:57 Prince Howard Alfaisal, one of the kingdom's most trusted figures, also visiting Turkey in an effort to tamp down tensions according to Reuters. But each new detail makes the task of containing those tensions and the fallout across the Middle East more difficult. Among the many questions still unanswered, what happened to this van? seen leaving the Saudi consulate soon after Turkish officials say Khashoggi was killed. Saudi Arabia continues to deny any involvement in Khashoggi's disappearance. Its regional allies are stepping up their support. The United Arab Emirates Minister for Foreign Affairs, Anwar Gargash, tweeting,

04:41 The repercussions of political targeting of Saudi Arabia will be dire on those who inflame it. Bahrain's foreign minister Khaled bin Ahmed complaining Saudi Arabia is the target, not the search for truth. But at the center of it all, the consulate. It was last Saturday that the consul let in the media, sheepishly opening cupboards and doors. But Turkish officials are still waiting for their investigators to be given access. And that is why the fate of Jamal Khashoggi is both a mystery and an international crisis. I really like that clip for

05:21 A couple of reasons. No, seriously, CNN has been using Richard Engels a lot, which always alerts me to a lot of bullcrap coming your way. No, actually it's MSNBC that uses him. Oh, I'm sorry, because I thought you said it was CNN. No, this is CNN. CNN doesn't you drew oh, it's MSNBC. I'm sorry. You're right. You're right So what what was interesting about this clip is when he got to the true importance of this story Which is the political ramifications with Saudi Arabia the audio went completely dead. There was no background noise It was a little you know dull kind of flat and then right back to a lot of noise and information About how the guy got killed. I have some questions

06:02 Oops, let me just bring that in here because that was that was quite interesting. These walls top with this part of the repercussions political targeting of Saudi Arabia will be gone completely dead is just talking about the repercussions on those who inflame it. Bahrain's foreign minister Khalid bin still dead complaining Saudi Arabia is the target, not the search for truth. And now back to your brain. And then we say, at the center of it all, you know, it's like, how did it happen? And of course everyone's focused on how did it happen. Apple Watch chopped into bits. It's really unimportant. It's really just another dead guy. Yeah, it's just another dead guy. You know, it's like there's lots of dead people, but...

06:47 No, I mean it would just, I know it's not... You didn't hear the Amy Goodman stuff. That's not fair to say. But the political ramifications is what is incredibly interesting and I just want to play this clip because it shows that we are from the future. This is Tim Kaine. He's still a senator, isn't he, Tim Kaine? yeah I believe so. Yeah, the former presidential running mate for Hillary Clinton. NPR calls him in and this is where it gets... Has he got to do with anything? Well I have some questions that might be answered yes or no and the first has to be, you see intelligence reports, are you convinced the Saudi government

07:26 Or its operatives assassinated Jamal Khashoggi. I'm not yet completely convinced, but there's enough corroboration out there that I think the burden of proof is on the Saudis to prove that they did not have anything to do either with harming, kidnapping, or killing Jamal Khashoggi. The burden of proof is on them. Now, that's funny by itself. The burden of proof is on them. But listen to what he comes up with and the reason for him on NPR. I like that you questioned that. If that's certified, I'll throw out some possibilities. Should the U.S. close that big embassy in Riyadh? Should they close that big building on Virginia Avenue that's the Saudi embassy? Should it break off relations? Well, Scott, first, I mean, this is a horrific

08:12 alleged crime against a journalist. Our president attacks journalists as enemies of the people, but we need to stand up. Nicely done. Come on, give him some props for bringing Trump in to be maybe partially responsible for, you know, some embassy workers to want to kill the press. It was good. It was good. It was good. for journalists everywhere. Jamal Khashoggi is a Virginia resident. And you're right, there are a number of things that we could do. I'll tell you what I focus on. The first thing the Senate did this week, the members of the Foreign Relations Committee on which I sit, is we sent a letter to the president to trigger his review of whether this treatment of Jamal Khashoggi violates something called the Magnitsky Act.

08:58 Did I not call it I said you watch that she did I was I was actually dubious about it personally now listen now team King give us a little more information You know do we fear these guys throw this shit out there old? Magnitsky act well, and it never gets explained and people go over the magnets gas. This is like the Logan Act He violated the Logan Act Tim Kaine knows what these people are talking about is completely out of range. Tim, go on. Tim Kaine is actually going to explain what this means. Magnitsky Act allows the White House to put sanctions on individuals if they engage in human rights abuses. When we send the letter, it triggers a 120-day investigative period.

09:43 where the administration has to report back to Congress as to whether there have been a human rights violation and what they're going to do about it. That's number one. Number two... So, contrary to what normally happens, Tim Kaine gave us a... you know, the background doesn't matter. It's been used on the Russians. It was created for the Russians. But he gave us a pretty good explanation. Yeah, including the 120 day waiting period and what it triggers and this is a political move that's being made and there's two other moves that are being made. We have been in the Senate increasingly concerned about Saudi Arabia and working to potentially cease arms sales to them. We had a vote a few months ago where 47 of us

10:22 voted to block arms sales to Saudi Arabia because of their mishandling of the civil war in Yemen and the massive humanitarian crisis there. So a second thing that you are likely to see, I think Senators Paul and Murphy have talked about this, is additional action to block arms sales. President Trump reacted very negatively to that the other day, but you'll see that. And then the final one is U.S. support for the Saudis and the UAE on the war in Yemen. I think there's increasingly a desire to just cease U.S. support for the war in Yemen, which is a massive humanitarian disaster. So I think before we get into embassy diplomatic relations, we've had a longstanding relationship with Saudi Arabia. But I think there are, there are Magnitsky arms sales and support for the war in Yemen are probably the three areas where Congress is now most focused. And it is a dramatic change in attitude about Saudi Arabia as a result of this.

11:17 action. So I think it's just went so smoothly and so quickly. The guy's dead within a week. We're sending the letter with him to evoke the Magnitsky Act. Within 24 hours, they had little signs. In fact, I think there was a screw up because it said free Kachogi. And then these people were outside the embassy who were holding these these printed preprinted signs with a photo. Oh, it's preprinted. Oh, excellent. Yeah, it was all pre-printed. There's a bunch of them. Like, you know, I had in the newsletter, there's a picture in the newsletter of these guys holding these signs. Oh, that's right. And it was like, that was within like minutes.

11:55 Yeah, this whole thing sinks sinks now Something I don't know if it's in one of your clips but the complete unbelievable coincidence of the pastor being released at the same time this takes place which is Just a coincidence everybody. I please want you to remember it is just a coincidence That can't be a coincidence No, it can't be. It sounds like a deal. It's not even a good coincidence. So there's a lot of reasons to not like Saudi Arabia. We understand what Tim Kaine, a Democrat, but he has, he mentioned Rand Paul's and I think that there's plenty, and I agree, you know, we should have this Yemen thing is, yeah, I understand Iran bad, Saudis are oil, but Trump is angry with the Saudis about the price of oil. There's plenty of reason to set them down, put them in their place a little bit.

12:50 But what I like about Trump being so pragmatic is you could do that, but no, let's still blow this $110 billion arms deal. Right. Yeah, well, I still think this is actually the deal. The deal is oddly charming. The deal's not even I think the deal's not even completely done. I think it's still in the works and it's not like that's why he doesn't want to. Yeah, that's kind of an issue. Well, it's a it's a sales guy's dilemma in this case. It's like, oh, crap. I really do want to screw those guys over. But I know I wanted to make a big announcement about the hundred and ten billion just back to the pastor for a moment. Just a very short clip.

13:29 This was on Fox News. There was some CIA shill obviously, you know, talking about the pastor and you know, just how we got him released. But this is not... Well, listen to this and you'll see the slip up. The president was the timing of this, Erdogan's releasing of Pastor Brunson. The president said the timing is totally coincidence. This has nothing to do with the murder, alleged murder of Khashoggi, of the US journalist Khashoggi. What do you say to that? I'd say a couple things first. There's still a lot of work yet to be done. There are other Americans, including an NSA ethnic Turkish officer or scientist, Sirkan Golcup, who's in Turkey right now. An NSA officer, a scientist!

14:19 Come on! That's a great catch. Then you look at this pastor. These guys. Of course, spies are the least likely people. They don't all look like James Bond. I'm not saying that the pastor was one, but yeah, it's guys like that who are patriotic and want to help their country. Yeah, I'll pass on some info or whatever. And they sign on. Yeah, they sign on. It's easy to get seduced into that. The problem I see with it And I think it's a huge problem for the intelligence community is what happened to all these Chinese. They have people, and I don't want to point the finger at anybody like Brennan, but they have people in that agency that apparently are turning over our spies to the alien countries. Oh really? You think that's what happened with our spies in China?

15:10 Oh, absolutely. Now they finally pinned it on a guy that was working at the agency, a Chinese guy who then took off and then left the agency and ran off to China. They kind of blame him for the whole thing because he got access to the database. But it's still like, you know, that thing's a leaky boat. It doesn't really, you can't, and the new, I don't want to get off track, but I'll just say this. The modernization process that they're doing at the CIA does one thing most importantly. It centralizes all the information into a giant digital database, which makes it very easy to out these guys. In the olden days, since the old timers will say if you read the literature. Stuff in a bottom drawer, you had a dossier, a file. Right, they were all in silos.

15:53 Yes. Yeah. It's like I had my, I have, I'm like a top agent compartmentalization. I think it's called, I have my guys in China. I got three guys in China. Maybe this other guy's got two other guys in China, but it's, they're not hooked. There's no database with all their names in one box with that trying to eliminate, which has Salesforce on top of it for some reason. I don't know why the CIA did that, but they love Salesforce. So, um, Of course, Trump is being pressured now. You know, oh, don't send Mnuchin off to the, to the, to the, was it like the investor conference? Christine Lagarde is also very concerned, but she, she said, I'm going to go to the investor conference anyway. You know, so there's going to be a lot of pressure on the president. But she's going? Yeah, Fifi Lagarde is going. I was misled.

16:42 I was reading something that says, oh the only people going on it, this is one of those, I think it was CNN. Well did you see that the media was all, oh CNN is pulled out, Fox News is pulled, everyone's pulling out. No, no, no. Fox is going. Oh, I thought that they were pulling out too. No, that was the big insult. Oh, Fox is going, those creeps. There you go. Well as you know, it's just for an audience of one. Fox News audience of one. All right, so what's what you got what you got from? Well, I only have humorous stuff. Yeah, that's good I have one kicker to wrap this up But if you got some shit, no you you keep your crew you keep your rap. Let's go with We're still in Kishogi though, right? Yeah Yeah

17:24 OK, let's start with the Democracy Now! one. This is in the middle of her report and we can get kind of get a feeling for where she's headed. It turns out that Amy Goodman has a lot of opinions about this. And so whatever it is, it's mostly her talking is quite interesting. There's some good stuff in there. The full audio and video recordings have not yet been released. One person with knowledge of the audio recording told The Washington Post, quote, You can hear his voice and the voices of men speaking Arabic. You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered." Unquote. Khashoggi had written critically about the Saudi government and the Saudi crown prince, MBS, Mohammed bin Salman.

18:07 He fled Saudi Arabia last year and had been living in Virginia. The Washington Post has also reported that, based on U.S. intelligence intercepts, the— I just like that he was living in Virginia. Langley? Come on. —Brown Prince had directly ordered an operation to lure Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia. The Turkish government has accused Saudi Arabia of flying two planes into Turkey, carrying 15-man assassination squad to carry out the murder. One of the Saudi men was reportedly a forensic expert known for pioneering rapid and mobile autopsies. Turkish officials say the men used a bone saw to dismember Khashoggi's body before smuggling body parts out of the consulate.

18:55 Bonesaw. I love the bones. Yeah, that's they've kind of inserted that bonesaw. Sounds dramatic. Now what was the point of them mentioning or even discussing a guy who's an autopsy expert? I put this in the newsletter like what so what? Yeah, just to give it credence and make it sound official. Why do you need 15 guys to do an assassination? What's the point of all these people just so they can carry the body parts? You only need maybe five. Well, I think the main, whether 15 guys walked in or not or whatever happened, they arrived on private jets. It just makes for a great story to distract everyone from what's really going on with this. I mean that and Judy, by the way, for those who don't know, Democracy Now is aired on public television, correct?

19:44 Yeah, it's yeah and free mostly free speech TV. Okay, because some people are even saying what is democracy now because I don't think anyone watches the war and peace report. You're the only one keeping that thing alive. It's war and peace report with Amy Goodman. Yeah, gotcha. Okay, well, so she gets this guy and she gets Ro Khanna, the guy who's like a local representative for the Democrats, Silicon Valley guy. And he looks like a like I don't know if you saw that that Indiana Jones thing where the guy used to grab the heart you put you know some horrible looking at big eyes He grabbed your heart and pull it out and hold it up for the crowd. Yeah Just like that guy Now she's gonna add this is a question she instead of asking she's gonna ask Ro Khanna a question and

20:37 But the question is like 10 times longer than any possible answer because she goes to Shaggy Dog Story and gets very sidetracked. But I think the information she provides is kind of interesting for us to analyze before you get your wrap. Can you talk about exactly what the U.S. relationship is with Saudi Arabia? Also, of course, it implicates Jared Kushner, the senior adviser, President Trump's son-in-law, very close to Mohammed bin Salman, in this information Washington Post put out about they already had wanted to get Khashoggi to lure him back to Saudi Arabia for, well, who knows what they wanted to do with him, you know, to lure him from Saudi Arabia, also this information that He had gone to the—

21:21 The Saudi consulate, the embassy in Washington, but they told him he had to go to Istanbul. He goes to Istanbul to the consulate there, and they tell him, fine, they're going to give him that marriage document he needed. But he had to come back in a week. So he goes to London, participates in a meeting last week, and goes back, which presumably is for them to prepare and to bring these two planes in with the forensic expert and the military and intelligence people. At least according to these latest reports, if this is true, with the video and audio evidence, he was murdered and dismembered within a few hours, and then the planes flew out. Well, it's brutal. And what we also know are reports that U.S. intelligence agencies may have been aware.

22:11 Nancy, she's Nancy Drew. Well, she goes on, but there's a couple of interesting points that have to be thought about because one of the things at least we do on this show is look at the logic of a lot of this. Khashoggi knows or senses that he wants to be tricked into going back to Saudi Arabia because they offered him a consulting gig, but they don't like him. So he figures, well, I don't know, maybe they're going to chop my head off. I'm not going back. I'm staying in. Like Casino, I'm going to be a made man, but maybe not such a good idea. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so, so he ends up with going to the Virginia. Supposedly, now I found out what this document was. He supposedly, supposedly now, I don't know, you've been married a couple of times. Yeah, I got some standing. I would ask, when you go to get married and say that wherever, at the court or in the church, do they ask you for proof of your last divorce?

23:12 It depends and... It's happened to you? Yes, that happened in relation to a green card, which is the two previous reasons I got married. You do have to prove When you're, if it's an immigration issue and you get married, then you have to prove that the previous marriage was dissolved. And so... This has to do with the immigration scams. Yeah, but it's... Yes, exactly. So that may have had something to do with it. I don't know. Well, he would be the guy with the green card, so I don't know how that would work. I'm just, I don't... Well, I don't know. But I'm guessing he could have gone to Vegas and gotten married pretty easily.

23:51 But no, he needs to get proof for some reason, for some court, for someone that he's been legally divorced from his other previous wife. That he's been legally divorced. Well, maybe it was for his citizenship or green card, something. There's something about that that makes sense. Well, then he goes to the Turkish consulate in Washington, D.C., and they say no. You have to go to Istanbul. Now this makes no sense to me. Why does he have to go to Istanbul? And he doesn't think this is suspicious? I mean, why doesn't he say, can you mail it to me? Can you mail it to me? You know who I am. You can't just bull crap. Why do I have to go to Istanbul? So he goes to Istanbul. Hold on one second.

24:35 In the Muslim faith, don't you just say, I'm not married, I'm not married, I'm not married? Yeah. Is that the punchline? That is true, but it's kind of a myth in terms of civil law in the United States. It's hard to get. You can't just do an iPhone video and say, here's my proof. I said it three times. Or yeah, I'll say it in front of you. Yeah, I mean this would be logical. I thought about that too. So he just stupidly goes to Istanbul and then they look around and they say, oh, geez, we weren't expecting you. You have to come back in a week. So we can set up the chopping block. You can get a whole new passport, you can sit there. No, you have to come back in a week. So he goes to London and then gives a speech or something. And he comes back... He had a meeting of sorts. Hmm, okay. And by the way, there's a Turkish... or there's a Saudi embassy in London, a big one. He could have gone and done business there. And they do a lot of work there.

25:32 It's a huge embassy, maybe bigger than the one in Istanbul. But they can't do the paperwork there. Okay. So he doesn't think twice about this. He says, okay, I'm going to stupidly go back to Istanbul and go into the embassy, charge in the embassy. And he goes in there and then he disappears. Now, this doesn't sound right under any circumstances, especially for a guy who's suspicious. One thing I thought immediately was extraction exercise. I don't know why, but I'm just throwing it in there. I thought that too. That's the first thing I thought because they had the 15 guys are going to get him out of there somehow. They get him out of there and take him back to Saudi Arabia. And they claim that he's been chopped up. And now the MI6 guys, I'll mention this, they said that they thought it was an extraction and they drugged him and they killed him by using too much of the drugs. They were idiots. They filled the thing too.

26:24 Wow, an extraction gone horribly wrong. Yes, extraction gone wrong. So but that does that belies all these these so-called, oh, they found him, they yelled at him in Arabic, they tortured him and then killed him when they have video and audio evidence, which again is another question. How did they get this? A, because where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Yeah, where is it? And the second thing, they had two versions of this tape. And then there's the bogus story about the iPhone or the iWatch, the Apple Watch. Apparently he turned it on record or he sent it to the cloud. And it sent it to the cloud. And he would sell signal and he was videotaping himself in this embassy, which I'm sure is shrouded with Faraday cage material, I would be.

27:13 If I had ran an embassy. I think this whole story stinks to high heaven. So in no agenda thinking we will focus on what's going to be done with it, but my last clip is from France 24, kind of a wrap-up for what was happening with him or what he might have been doing if he was creating enemies. This is on France 24, his friend Selim Sazak. Now for more on that story we're joined by Selim Rezak, a Turkish political scientist based in Washington DC. Thank you for talking This clip in the beginning, the guy's on Skype and it's a really crappy connection so it's not your file, it's not me, it's not Skype, it's on the recording. Now for more on that story we're joined by Selim Rezak, Turkish political scientist based in Washington DC. Thank you for talking to us on France 24. Now Selim, you personally know Cemal Pesogcu, you met him half a dozen times.

26:24 Wow, an extraction gone horribly wrong. Yes, extraction gone wrong. So but that does that belies all these these so-called, oh, they found him, they yelled at him in Arabic, they tortured him and then killed him when they have video and audio evidence, which again is another question. How did they get this? A, because where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Yeah, where is it? And the second thing, they had two versions of this tape. And then there's the bogus story about the iPhone or the iWatch, the Apple Watch. Apparently he turned it on record or he sent it to the cloud. And it sent it to the cloud. And he would sell signal and he was videotaping himself in this embassy, which I'm sure is shrouded with Faraday cage material, I would be.

27:13 If I had ran an embassy. I think this whole story stinks to high heaven. So in no agenda thinking we will focus on what's going to be done with it, but my last clip is from France 24, kind of a wrap-up for what was happening with him or what he might have been doing if he was creating enemies. This is on France 24, his friend Selim Sazak. Now for more on that story we're joined by Selim Rezak, a Turkish political scientist based in Washington DC. Thank you for talking This clip in the beginning, the guy's on Skype and it's a really crappy connection so it's not your file, it's not me, it's not Skype, it's on the recording. Now for more on that story we're joined by Selim Rezak, Turkish political scientist based in Washington DC. Thank you for talking to us on France 24. Now Selim, you personally know Cemal Pesogcu, you met him half a dozen times.

28:11 this year alone. Tell us about that. Mr. Kashigji was a regular fixture at events in Washington, in New York as well. It would not be accurate to say that I know him per se. He's got his friends and colleagues who have been in a position to speak much more about Mr. Kashigji. But I had the opportunity to speak with him a bunch of times. Something that struck me about our conversations is Mr. Kashigji was someone who had who had been in government but always been around the echelons of government in Saudi Arabia. And his thinking seemed to be informed by a growing sense of unfamiliarity. This regime that he knew quite well was more unpredictable and it was going in a direction that he didn't necessarily like.

28:53 and he was vocal about his criticism in that sense, but he never really saw himself as a dissident. He was perhaps a critic. That's what I was about to put that to you because he wasn't calling for regime change. He supported the 2030 vision for Saudi society put forth by Mohammed bin Salman. It does seem extraordinary if the narrative we're kind of getting is true that he would be targeted when he wasn't really that specific as a critic. I directed this question to one of my Turkish contacts asking if this narrative is true, why Mr. Kashiqi would be targeted. Something that's been hitting the news recently is that Mr. Kashiqi was working on a pro-democracy think tank.

29:41 and he's been meeting with Gulf-based donors, with activists. I think the organization's name was going to be Dawn, and it was incorporated in Delaware, Democracy for the Arab World Now. If that is the case, considering that he was also previously an editor-in-chief for a newspaper owned by El-Waleed bin Talal, the billionaire who was part of the Ritz-Carlton arrests, Perhaps that made them a liability for the Saudi regime, but otherwise this is beyond the best of our imaginations. Mr Khashoggi is a very well-known Saudi journalist. The fact that he would vanish and potentially in this grisly way, it's impossible to wrap our heads around it, obviously. Now, Turkey is caught between a rock and a hard place in this respect.

30:25 So, Dawn, the democracy for the Arab world now. This clip only came to me this morning, so I haven't had a chance to look into Dawn, but that's something I hadn't heard about in the reporting. No, it's news to me. So, there's a lot... I keep thinking it's a Four Seasons song. Dawn. No, that's Tie a Yellow Ribbon. No, it's just Dawn. No, but Dawn with Tony Orlando. No, don't. Look up... No, let's not. Let's not. Let's not. No. Four seasons. Thank you, Valley. No, let's not. I desperately need to deconstruct Kanye. Well, wait a minute. We never finished this thing with Khashoggi. I thought that was it. I was done. I was wrapped. That's all we got. I don't think that was much of a wrap. I said all I had... We will wait to see what's going to happen with the Magnitsky Act. We already did that. But when you think so.

31:31 I don't know. As I said, I don't know anything about Don. This came in late this morning. I'd need to look into that. But I can see where... I think the guy was a spook. Yes, well, I think that's pretty obvious. I really doubt that Salman... How dumb is this guy if he's gonna go bring a guy in and chop him up at the embassy? I mean, there's millions of ways. The assassins can do it and throw you off a roof. I mean, there's a million ways to do it. Shoot you from a distance. Oh yeah, if you want to, I totally agree. If you're going to kill somebody then do this and make it look like an accident, do it the way we usually do. Two to the head, you know, and then a gun in the left hand. Hot tub. Lots of good ways to do it. This just doesn't make any sense unless, now there's one, I just want to say this before we go on. There was one kind of more of an alternative idea, which is that

32:25 Solomon is part of the mob that's now running Saudi Arabia and this was a message. But even if it was a message, where you know, they would have, it wasn't much of a message because he just kind of disappeared. Now this embassy, I think this embassy back and forth business, and I agree with you that it's sketchy about the proving the divorce as the reason for it. That's what spooks do. Embassies are where spooks live. Has no one watched the Americans? Come on, we all know this. Yeah, they're all in there, so why did they have to bring 15 more guys in? Instead of crawling with spooks now? But he was, I think he was a spook. Maybe he was transporting something from the embassy in London to the embassy in Turkey. I don't know. That sounds more believable than anything. As crazy as that, it's not even crazy. That actually makes sense. Yeah, maybe he's just shuttling stuff back and forth. Hey, he worked for the Washington Post!

33:18 Lots of spies have and I allege currently do work for the Washington Post. And why would a guy who's, as you pointed out in the newsletter, is Muslim Brotherhood, was connected to Osama Bin Laden, and they could have really asked him to pen a little column about his relationship with Osama Bin Laden. Oh so he's heralded as a fanta... oh this guy oh yeah he was one of their sources I'm sure this guy sounds like a spook and then we... and then what do we get? We gave a spook away we got a spook back with the pastor. This is you know pastor spook, journalist spook, podcaster spook. Yeah we don't have any podcaster spooks that'd be making more money. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. You never know.

34:06 All right, okay. I think that's the wrap. I think that's the wrap. Okay, now we're gonna go to Kanye. I do have a Kanye clip too. Yes, it's going to be number three in the sequence. Because this was very... By the way, I enjoyed this Kanye stuff more than anything. Good, because... I really enjoyed the whole... Everybody get all bent out of shape. And I'm gonna preface the whole thing that you're gonna do with, who cares? It's Kanye. Him and Trump kind of like each other, so what? What I found interesting is Well, obviously the the out. Well, it was two sides. It started with immediate name-calling That's part of what your clip is and really just little bits and bytes of what happened in the Oval Office and What what was shown and what people responded to was almost kind of appropriate although not the way it was presented but only on this show

35:05 Can you actually sit down and listen to what Kanye said? Because all those little sound bites, all those little bits were picked from one long soliloquy which not only does it make sense, not only is it no agenda thinking, he's even saying some things that you have specifically bitched about on this show. And it was an eye-opener, and so now I really am starting to think that certainly CNN and Don Lemon and whoever else really don't want anyone to listen to what Kanye said. And you have to listen to the whole thing, and I sat, you know, twice.

35:43 I watched this half hour just trying to understand what he was saying and it's really not it's actually quite smart and it's it's the stuff we talk about all the time and you know if the news media whether they're lazy and just like it's just Kanye being crazy and so let's just assume he's nuts or they yeah or they do not want people to know what he said and I think that's important. Here's the I'm just gonna set it up your clip is number three. I want to say this that I think that there They are a little lazy, and I don't think they care what he has to say because if you're on the globalist side of the debate, all this stuff is nuts. John, if they don't care, why didn't they just marginalize him and just not talk about him? Why all the outrage? Why the insane conversations about him?

36:32 That's the dynamics of the news business. If one person makes a big stink about it, he's also a target. Kanye's an important celebrity and he's in there violating the unspoken black rule. Okay, go on. I'm just saying, I think it just became a story. I think there's a story here. We'll start with pretty much CNN, Wolf Blitzer, this is part of the clip everyone's seen with Don Lemon. I just wanted to pay attention to what snippets they pull out to discuss with their panel about what Kanye was saying and doing in the Oval Office. So here is their little edit. If he don't look good, we don't look good.

37:12 This is our president. He has to be the freshest, the flyest, the flyest planes, the best factories, and we have to make our core be in power. We have to bring jobs into America. I don't answer questions in simple sound bites. You are tasting a fine wine. It has multiple notes to it. The liberal will try to control a black person through the concept of racism because they know that we are very proud emotional people. So when I said, I like Trump to like someone that's liberal, they'll say, Oh, but he's racist. You think racism can control me? Oh, that don't stop me. That's an invisible wall. Would you build a trap door that if you mess up and you accidentally something happens you fall and you end up next to the Unabomber? Let me get this guy. Now when you hear this sequence and of course my ears perked up mainly because he said you fall through the trap door and you land next to the Unabomber. I'm like wow!

38:08 This is... Professor! It sounds completely unhinged the way they've put this together. Yes. And what was kind of like a double wink, I think, is when Kanye says, you know, I'm like a fine wine, you gotta leave... all these different notes. I don't have that in one of my clips. What he actually said was it in there that he said I'm yeah, but he said what he said before that was I don't speak in soundbites I'm like a fine. So oh, yeah now you do that's exactly what happened So now they bring in Don Lemon to discuss this and Don says exactly what I thought He did most of the talking in the Oval Office Don, what do you think I wolf I

38:54 I listen I don't there I have no animosity for Kanye West. I'm just gonna be honest and I may get in a lot of trouble for it. I feel actually feel bad for him what I saw was a minstrel show today. Him in front of all of these white people mostly white people. Let's just discuss for a second minstrel show this is in essence calling him an Uncle Tom am I correct in the... Worse worse. Now minstrel shows I believe were white people who put on black, although it did also include black people. It was white people. It actually began with black people putting on blackface. If you saw the Broadway play Shuffle Along. You know about this. This is Al Jolson time, right? You know about this stuff. You've got, well, this is pre-Al Jolson. All right.

39:35 If you saw this, the minstrel shows were black people putting on blackface and playing blacks. Stupid blacks, exaggerated stupidness. And they would do a whole act, a whole routine. It was a very interesting era. Was it funny? Then the whites said, hey, we can do the same thing. So they put on the blackface and they got, you know, they could go to better venues. And so pretty soon the blacks were marginalized. But it's an insult is what it is. Yeah big insult. They don't even Chris They'd failed to mention the whole time that Jim Brown. I Got Jim Brown. I got Jim Brown. I got Jim Brown is one of the most famous black men in history recent history For his exploits as the probably the greatest running back in the history of football and it was a famous actor. I

40:25 I have some Jim Brown clips from this meeting as well because this was a very... By the way, I understand it. Jim Brown never said anything. Jim Brown said several things. Several things. I was misled. I mean, I'll do Jim Brown right now for you. So, here's, now he doesn't speak very loudly, old Jim Brown, but here's what he said. It's my honor, Jim. I'm gonna tell you, I've been a fan of yours for a long time. A long time. Nobody like you. Nobody like you. No athlete like you. Well, you know why I'm here? I'm here to serve. I'm not here to ask for anything.

41:03 I'm here to contribute. You know that's always been the way Jim has been. So Jim Brown, which I think is a nice statement, says I'm here to serve. I'm not asking for anything. I'm here to help out. Tell me how I can help Mr. President. Gee, you didn't see that on TV? Jim Brown also had something to say. I was misled. Also had something to say about North Korea. It's great to have you Jim. It's good to be here Mr. President. These are two friends of mine and Kanye's been a friend of mine for a long time. And Jim is Jim came out of nowhere and he said, I like what the president's doing. Long time ago we met, right? And I just appreciate it. Jim Brown, Uncle Tom! Very much. And you know, if you look at the employment numbers, if you look at the median income, if you look at every single indicator,

41:54 So, you know C-SPAN had the best audio their their audio guys are pretty good The damn cameras are making a huge racket. So first he says, I like North Korea guy, I think he says. Says yeah, this is very good. This is good dialogue, Jim Brown says. He's encouraging the president. This is good dialogue. And the Secretary of State just came back. Mike just came back from North Korea.

42:35 Very good meetings and we'll meet again, but we're doing good. No more nuclear testing, no more missiles. Trump's got to take his little credits here. Going up, no more nothing. Yeah, that's okay. That was headed to war. That was headed to war. So Jim Brown says, looks like we are almost in war. To me it seemed like it was that close. Yup, it was so close. Scared to death. I spoke to President Obama. I will tell you that was headed to war. And now it's gonna be, I believe it's gonna work out very well. We're gonna stop the war. We really stopped the war. We saved millions of lives. You know, Seoul has 30 million people. I left this in just so you could hear that Trump was pontificating. 30 million people right near the border, 30 miles off the border. Millions of people would have been killed.

43:21 And I don't see anything solved. We solved one of the biggest problems. Jim Brown says we solved one of the biggest problems. All right, so you didn't see that on the news. Why would you? It's just Jim Brown. He doesn't matter. His opinion doesn't matter. I love being able to do this and this is going to be a little longer than normal just because we can't do what the mainstream media did with Kanye's chop him into bits because then you don't understand what he's saying. Once you understand what he's saying then we never have to do it again. Let's go back. You think that there's a connection between the bone saw references and chopping people into bits and chopping Kanye into bits?

44:06 I sure hope not because I fear, I believe that he is purposely being suppressed with what he's saying because it's very important what he's saying. So I fear for his life. They don't want the black community to hear it. Correct. I'm just gonna be honest and I may get in a lot of trouble for it. I feel, actually feel bad for him. What I saw was a minstrel show today. Him in front of all of these white people, mostly white people, embarrassing himself and embarrassing Americans, but mostly African-Americans, because every one of them is sitting either at home or with their phones watching this, cringing. I couldn't even watch it. I had to turn the television off because it was so hard to watch. Okay, so because Don just couldn't watch it, the journalist that he is,

44:57 He missed, I guess, what Kanye was actually saying and just has an opinion without having watched it. And anyone at home, any African-American with a phone is disgusted, is horrified by this. So I went to... What? Just quick, Zephyr just went by. Okay, go on. And only you can do that, John. Sorry. Just so people can get right down to time. Every black American with a phone was embarrassed by this. So I went to my favorite Opus One YouTube channel, which has 1.2 million subscribers. It is my go-to. It is a black YouTube channel. Let's pull up a couple of clips real briefly. Here's Shabazz, the OG Shabazz. Yo, what's poppin'? What's poppin', bro? I'm not even making no statement.

45:48 I'm gonna ask a couple questions. Is the disdain with Kanye about what he says? Meaning is he lying about things that he say? Is he not making sense? Do we have a problem of what he's saying? Or is the major problem the fact that he has aligned himself and continues to put himself in the presence and in the midst of Donald Trump? What's the real issue with Kanye? So that's one voice. Let's hear from another fine black American. Peace family brother reads this on here while I'm studying this interview with Kanye West and Donald Trump, I want us to understand something but do not allow the hat to mislead you. Do not allow that to mislead you do not allow him saying, Oh, I love Trump and all this dancing and Sam Bowen and shugging and jiving to mislead you remember there is a strategy when it comes to dealing with the system of white supremacy.

46:36 There was a strategy when it comes to this. Remember the spook who sat by the door? Remember Nat Turner? There was a system. So what if Kanye is finessing the president? What if he is finessing the White House? What if he is saying he's going to pretend to do all of this nonsense and look like one of the worst goddamn hypocrites on the planet just so that he can gain his access? Because now the president has given him the presidential stamp of approval. Donald Trump told him that he could speak on his behalf wherever and whenever. He wants to get Larry Hoover brought out of prison. What would that do? What would that do so there's a name I hadn't heard and it came up with a couple of real gangsters on this opus 1 YouTube channel They heard him talk about it. I just want to say Kanye West is not crazy. He sat in front the president of the United States and said free Larry Hoover Kanye West said free Larry Hoover

47:33 Free Larry Hoover to Donald Trump and y'all niggas is mad at him. Yeah, and y'all niggas is coming at that nigga Yanni's is stupid every celebrity that's coming at Donnie Kanye West is stupid. He might be a little old. He really might be a little Alright, so we will get into who Larry Hoover is after we go back to the incredible disdain from CNN in particular. Which clip did you have now, John?

48:11 Well, I have the clip where they some just another one of the many I had a choice of a bunch of clips. But the 1, which I thought was the absolute worst, which was a low point at CNN were want some black analyst that 1 of the many that they have on their. Rosser comes out and just lays into Kanye in the worst possible way. And this is a grand display of mass ignorance in the face of the downfall of democracy. And we have a white and a black man joined together at the narcissistic hip who refuse to understand that they are more a roadblock

47:33 Free Larry Hoover to Donald Trump and y'all niggas is mad at him. Yeah, and y'all niggas is coming at that nigga Yanni's is stupid every celebrity that's coming at Donnie Kanye West is stupid. He might be a little old. He really might be a little Alright, so we will get into who Larry Hoover is after we go back to the incredible disdain from CNN in particular. Which clip did you have now, John?

48:11 Well, I have the clip where they some just another one of the many I had a choice of a bunch of clips. But the 1, which I thought was the absolute worst, which was a low point at CNN were want some black analyst that 1 of the many that they have on their. Rosser comes out and just lays into Kanye in the worst possible way. And this is a grand display of mass ignorance in the face of the downfall of democracy. And we have a white and a black man joined together at the narcissistic hip who refuse to understand that they are more a roadblock

48:49 than a road to real democracy in our country. This is white supremacy by ventriloquism. A black mouth is moving, but white racist ideals are flowing from Kanye West's mouth. Kanye West is engaging in one of the most nefarious practices yet. A black body and brain are the warehouse for the articulation and expression of anti-black sentiments that have been chin-checked by people with far more rigorous credentials. Now, I don't know about you, and I have no standing being a white American, but I heard Black America talk on the Opus One channel, and I'd say this guy is the Uncle Tom.

49:31 Well, he's obviously a stooge for the CNN white management. It's not run by a white guy. I mean, a black guy is run by a white guy. So I'll go back to Don Lemon, because I think he really set the tone. He is the voice of black America now, according to him. According to him. Just so you can hear how he shames Kanye because of course he's you know, he's crazy I think Don Lemon kind of started the Kanye is is mentally ill vibe We'll just go back to that and then we'll get into what Kanye actually said him sitting there being used by the president of the United States the president United States exploiting him and It's I don't mean this in a disparaging way. Sure exploiting someone who needs help. I

50:21 who needs to back away from the cameras, who needs to get off stage, who needs to deal with his issues. And if anyone around him cares about him, the family that he mentioned today, or whomever, his managers, maybe some other people who are in the music business who know him, they need to grab him and snatch him up and get Kanye together because Kanye needs help. And this has nothing to do... Yeah, but this is Don is giving white America and white news cable show America license to repeat this which is what happened incessantly over the weekend with being liberal or conservative This is to do with honesty and we have to stop pretending sitting here on these CNN panels or on whatever network panels and pretending like this is normal and let's have this conversation about Kanye West and what he said

51:09 Who cares? Why are you sending cameras to the Oval Office for Kanye West? Did you send cameras to the Oval Office and carry it live? Actually, I didn't clip that, but there's a part where Trump said, you know, everyone wanted to be here. And the press, this press is in there on video saying, yeah, we wanted to see this. We didn't want to see any other meeting. So yeah, of course they wanted that. It's crazy town. When Common visited the White House, Common visited the White House and did a beautiful poem. spoken word. A poem! It talked about how black people are kings and queens. Oh yes, that's what we need! Rise up and do better. He didn't disparage anybody. Yeah, I don't hear the kids on Opus One talking about Common and his poem. He didn't speak... Hold on a second. Stop, stop. I gotta have a little bit. He's talking about Common and his poem like, okay. Then he said he didn't disparage anybody. Did Kanye disparage people? I do not believe so in everything I've seen, no.

52:06 But then what's he talking about? It's the same. Well, Trump is a racist, disparages. All right, here we go. Beautiful poem, spoken word, talked about how black people are kings and queens, how we need to rise up and do better. He didn't disparage anybody. He didn't speak in non sequiturs. He didn't do anything awful. And you know, the only people who criticized him and the only people who really covered it were Sean Hannity and his band of hypocrites who are now uh... who are now applauding Kanye West, the same people that many in that group called the N-word because of Taylor Swift and because of George Bush. And now all of a sudden he's rambling. Yeah, he's gonna wrap it up but he just has to get one more insult in. The person who represents the African-American community, he doesn't. We need to take the cameras away from Kanye

52:57 and from a lot of this craziness that happens in the White House because it is not normal and we need to stop sitting here pretending that it's normal. This was an embarrassment. Kanye's mother is rolling over in her grave. Oh yeah, that's the lowest. Now you can't go much lower than that. Yeah, she just died recently, didn't she? Yeah, and it affected him a lot. So, good work Don Lemon. I'm revoking- Why is Don Lemon even working at this operation? Because he's the guy that will set the tone that is desired. I can't see it any other way. That is the desired tone. He's black, therefore he has standing. He can say whatever he wants. And he's gay. That's a plus for that. That's super plus, exactly. Okay. So the backdrop is...

53:40 We've got Jim Brown sitting there and all that conversation with Jim Brown that happened mainly in the beginning before Kanye even got into his, because that launched pretty quick, but first five minutes just did Jim Brown talk about North Korea and you know Trump and you know just want to be here to serve Mr. President and then Kanye he's not there alone no he has Larry Hoover's lawyer with him. Jared's also in in this meeting which no one mentioned. Larry Hoover was arrested in Chicago for drugs and initially it was just a minor offense, but then after 17 years he was re-arrested because apparently he had not only run a criminal gang from jail, but he had called out a hit on some rival gang member who was killed and then he got a six-time life sentence.

54:35 But in the 17 years after his the initial incarceration, he was really organizing Chicago. Then he was trying to better his life. I wasn't there, I'm just telling you what the story is on Larry Hoover. And so then he got, you know, the guy's now 68 and has been in jail for quite a while and you hear that black kids on the YouTube Opus One channel, they know who Larry Hoover is. They see him as some kind of hero. Is it because he was a drug dealer or was it because he was trying to do something good? And this is why Kanye is actually there.

55:12 Which is not mentioned, we know that Kim Kardashian successfully got someone out of jail, pardoned, the woman who was on a minor drug offense. So now let's pick up the story at the beginning of this meeting. We have Larry Hoover's lawyer with us today. And it's a prisoner that we're focused on. He has six life sentences and they have him next to the Unabomber doing 23 and ones. So now you know the reference to the Unabomber. He's in the same facility as Ted Kaczynski. Oh, so they take that completely out of context. And by the way, there was no mention of Larry Hoover on any of the CNN reports.

55:49 You think? No, it's more important to show Don Lemon saying his mom is rolling over in her grave. Larry Hoover is an interesting story. I've never heard of Larry Hoover. I'm just learning about it. What did he do? Was he in? Yes, tell me. Tell us. Allegedly, it's for a conspiracy from a... This is Hoover's lawyer. ...prison, a state prison. You know, it's alleged. But we do believe even if he did commit those crimes, the sentence was overly broad and too short. What was the sentence? Six consecutive life sentences in the most secure prison in the world, also known as Clean Version of Hell.

56:26 for basically a neck and neck crime. What prison is that? Name the prison. ADX Supermax in Florence, Colorado. They house the Unabomber, Al Qaeda operatives, Nass killers, Oklahoma City Bomber, things of that nature. How old is he? How old? 68. 68 years old? Yeah, 68 years old. Really the reason why they imprisoned him is because he started doing positive for the community. He started showing that he actually had power, that he wasn't just one of a monolithic voice but he could wrap people around. So there's theories that there's infinite amounts of universe and there's alternate universe. So it's very important for me

57:05 to get Hoover out because in an alternate universe I am him. Now this may sound unhinged but we have spoken about this specifically alternate universes and yes in a different dimension I think would be more correct in scientific terms I'm you and you're me there's a dimension where that's taking place isn't that the theory? quantum so well actually the theory is there's probably an infinite number of things that can be going on right every decision you make it have gone off in a different direction and it actually has so this is a Almost a religious philosophy Kanye has which he's mentioned multiple times of course is laughed at I don't laugh because we talk about alternate universes in a different context But not that dissimilar what he's saying is in some other universe I'm in jail, and he's me and I have a duty to go and help this guy It's just a humanity thing, but it's Kanye so you have to

57:59 think and listen to what the guy's saying. And I have to go and get him free because he was doing positive inside of Chicago just like how I'm moving back to Chicago and it's not just about. I didn't know Kanye was moving back to Chicago. Yeah, that was mentioned. Yeah, but it was news that he was moving back? Yeah, okay. Now you gotta stay with him.

58:39 That's why it doesn't work when it's chopped up. So he's segueing into something else, but it all comes around at the end with a mind-blowing reveal. You know, first of all, it's a limit to amount of jobs. So the fathers lose the jobs and they say, we'll give you more money for having more kids in your home. And then we got rid of the mental health institutes in the 80s and the 90s and the prison rates just shot up. Have we not discussed that specifically? Yeah, we discussed Reagan shutting down the ones in the 80s. Yeah. In California because it was a demand of the, I would just as a reminder.

59:17 I was here during that era and going to high school and college and I remember the era because it was the liberals going, oh my God, these mental health facilities and they always cite Agnew State Hospital in San Jose or they're horrible. And then when the one flew over the cuckoo's nest movie came out, oh, they're horrible. We got to shut them down. It's terrible. This is not the way to treat the mentally ill. And so Reagan comes in, As a Republican, he says, that's what you guys want? Okay, we're shutting them down. And they shut all of them down. And then there's been nothing but complaining ever since. And the part that you and I have never been able to come up with because we're not black, is that black arrests shot through the roof because of this.

1:00:03 And so bear in mind the Unabomber, all the stuff that comes to the end with Kanye. in your home. And then we got rid of the mental health institutes in the 80s and the 90s and the prison rates just shot up. And now you have Chi-Rac, what people call Chi-Rac, which is actually our murder rate is going down by 20% every year. I just talked to the superintendent, met with Michael Sachs, that's Ron's right hand man. Oh my God, they met with him? They must be crazy. Why are they entertaining that fool.

1:01:07 I'm married to a family that, you know, not a lot of male energy going on. It's beautiful though. Of course he is kind of winking to Bruce Jenner there. I mean, Caitlyn. So I understand where he's coming from. I didn't have a lot of male energy in my household. So I hear what he's saying. When you put it all together, what he said, this next bit becomes relevant. But there's times where, you know, it's something about, You know, I love Hillary. I love everyone, right? But the campaign, I'm with her, just didn't make me feel as a guy that didn't get to see my dad all the time, like a guy that could play catch with his son.

1:01:48 Is this not something we explicitly discussed when that slogan came up? I'm with her is like that that's kind of alienating. We've we discussed the fact that I'm with her is not a campaign. And to Kanye it meant well, I don't feel good about that. I want to be with daddy. He's literally saying that and I I can I understand that he felt that way. It's this is not a crazy thing to say. And he said, I love Hillary, but I didn't like that. I didn't feel good about it. I didn't want to be with her. I want I missed the male energy in his life or in the world, whatever it is. It was something about when I put this hat on and made me feel like Superman. You made a Superman. That was that's my favorite superhero. And you made a Superman cape for me also as a guy that looks up to you, looks up to Ralph Lauren, looks up to American industry guys, nonpolitical, no bullshit.

1:02:37 Put the beep on it however you want to do it five seconds delay and just goes in and gets it done right now You gave me the heart to go to adidas because it sounds like he's just talking self-promotion about himself when he talks about adidas and his shoes Okay, good that adidas when I went in in 2015. We're a 14 billion dollar company losing two billion dollars a year now We have a 38 billion dollar market cap. It's called the yeezy Effect this guy's clearly mentally insane. He knows market caps I mean this you've got to be a nutjob and I went to Casper we had a meeting in Chicago mattress company and I said I

1:03:14 You have to bring manufacturing onshore, not even shore, into the core. It's not about the borders, the core of Adidas. And Chicago is the core of middle America. We have to make middle America strong. So I had the balls, because I had enough balls to put on this hat, I mean, this Adidas thing made me a billionaire and I could have lost $200 million walking away from that deal. But even with that, I knew it was more important for me to take the chance of walking away from that deal than to have no fathers in Chicago with no homes. And when we do have prison reformation for no, because it's

1:03:52 It's habilitation, not rehabilitation because we didn't have the abilities in the first place. We never had anyone to taught us. We didn't teach us. Exactly. We didn't have no one to taught us. So he does say, there's something very important what he says there. He's mimicking what black Americans will say. Well, nobody taught us because our dads weren't there. He's mimicking that but he's saying some good stuff. curriculum that he's worked on. We have Montessori curriculums that we worked on. WeWorks has a beautiful curriculum. The Waldorf establishment has a curriculum. We have meditation. There's a lot of things affecting our mental health that makes us do crazy things that puts us back into that trapdoor called the 13th Amendment. Now, this is, this blew me the fuck away. I'm sorry to use that word. Just, I got, when he said the trapdoor of the 13th Amendment,

1:05:00 I'm like, what is he talking about? Let's not give it away. We'll read the 13th Amendment in a moment after Kanye gets to it. I did say abolish with the hat on because why would you keep something around that's a trap door? If you build in the floor, the Constitution is the base of our industry, right? Of our country, of our company. Would you build a trap door that if you mess up and you accidentally something happens, you fall and you end up next to the Unabomber? Okay, the 13th amendment for those who don't know what it is or those who have forgotten the 13th amendment section 1 neither slavery nor involuntary servitude Except as punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted Shall exist within the United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction. I

1:05:47 So what that means is and you have been you brought this up We've bitched about this many times that in the United States slavery is legal if you're incarcerated You become a slave of the state and you're making 25 cents a day and you're working for IKEA you're working for how many wishes which is again York the famous Dutch saying I am what I say you are, which is what we do with China. We constantly harp on, oh China's got slave labor. They have all these prisoners, their slave labor. We're the ones that have actual corporations.

1:06:26 that are involved in slave labor in the prison system. There's corporations you can invest in that will benefit from the slave labor of our prison system. And as I said, companies like… Just to stop again, I don't mind the prisoners being forced to do stuff like clean up the roads. Maybe there's a lot of litter on Long Highway 80 in California. There's a bunch of litter and nobody picks it up. I don't mind putting a chain gang out there, but you have to pay them. Yes, and what is happening, as you said, there are companies, and I'm pretty sure when we brought it up, when you brought it up, IKEA was one of the companies, or they were making flat-packed furniture, all kinds of stuff. And American corporations go to the Correctional Corporation of America and hire this labor force. And so Kanye is saying that the 13th Amendment has a trapdoor because yes, while it says no one can be a slave, but

1:07:26 If you mess up, and he's going to explain exactly how cruel this really was, if you mess up, then you fall through the trapdoor right into slavery. Because of the 13th Amendment's trapdoor, which is you can be a slave in the United States if you're incarcerated for a crime you've been convicted of. You end up, you gotta remove all that trapdoor out of the relationship. four gentlemen that wrote the 13th Amendment. And I think the way the universe works, it's perfect. We don't have 13 floors, do we? So the four gentlemen that wrote the 13th Amendment didn't look like the people they were amending. Also at that point, it was illegal for blacks to read or African-Americans to read

1:08:12 And so that meant if you actually read the amendment, you get locked up and turned to a slave. Okay, so what I think is we don't need... He's crazy, I tell you. He doesn't know what he's talking about. His mom's rolling over in her grave. We need pardons. We need to talk to people. I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I was connected with a neuropsychologist that works with the athletes in the NBA and the NFL. And he looked at my brain, it's equal on three parts. I'm gonna go ahead, drop some bombs for you. 98 percentile IQ test. I had a 75 percentile of all human beings, but it was counting.

1:08:48 Eight numbers backwards off there as a repeat, so I'm gonna work on that one. The other ones, 98% Tesla, Freud. Tesla intelligence man. He's got it. So he had it measured. He's genius. And that's, it's obvious he's genius because you know, you can see that you can see Trump liking this guy. They're very similar. So he's going to wrap it up with this whole 13th amendment thing and Larry Hoover and everything with just, and that's really the whole thing. It's just almost done. You know, so he said that I actually wasn't bipolar. I had sleep deprivation which could cause dementia 10 to 20 years from now where I wouldn't even remember my son's name. So all this power that I got and I'm taking my son to the Sox game and all that.

1:09:33 I wouldn't be able to remember his name from a misdiagnosis. And what we need is we can empower the pharmaceuticals and make more money. That's one thing. I've never stepped into a situation where I didn't make people more money. So we can empower pharmaceuticals, we can empower our industries, we can empower our factories, we can bring not only Adidas on shore, we could bring Fox Foxconn has set up a factory in I think Minnesota, 53,000. Yeah, Wisconsin. They have 4,000 jobs, people making $53,000 a year. And one of the things we got to set is Ford to have the highest design, the dopest cars, the most amazing. I don't really say dope, I don't say negative words and try to flip them. We just say positive, lovely, divine, universal words. So the

1:10:20 Flyest freshest most amazing car and what we want to start with this I Brought up. I brought a gift with me right here He says gift he means a gif and so now this is the famous he's opening his cell phone But you hear what he's saying we need to have the flyest stuff. It's all gonna be the best in America this right here is The I-plane 1. It's a hydrogen powered airplane and this is what our president should be flying in. Look at this jerk. Look at this Jared, so he hands his iPhone to Jared, Jared's like, oh, oh, oh, oh. Can we get rid of Air Force One? No, you don't like that. Well, we're going to have Apple, American company, work on this plane with, but you know what I don't like about, it's not that I don't like, what I need Saturday Night Live to improve on or what I need the liberals to improve on is if he don't look good, we don't look good.

1:11:16 This is our president. He has to be the freshest, the flyest, the flyest planes, the best factories, and we have to make our core be in power. We have to bring jobs into America because our best export is entertainment and ideas. But when we make everything in China and not in America, then we're cheating on our country. And we're putting people in positions to have to do illegal things to end up in the cheapest factory ever, the prison system. There you go. The cheapest factory ever, the prison system. I think Kanye is a prophet. I think he's got definitely has the bipolar thing. He's manic. I think it was a very, it was a shaggy dog story. Yep. Uh, with a punchline, it was very well done. I think he could have left a plane thing out. I think that hurt him.

1:12:08 Well, it's the whole way he speaks hurts him because it's so clip worthy for just these little clips of him being sounding insane. I would love to get a hold of that thing and clip it together to make him sound like a complete lunatic. Just listen to CNN today, you'll be fine. I think that they probably could have done even better a job. Yeah, well, they had to do it quick. Yeah, I mean, if you spend a little time, you could really have something very funny, but yeah. I think the guy is a genius. I've always thought he was. I think Taylor Swift's a genius. These people that do this sort of marketing and they market themselves a lot and they do investments. Pete Diddy's another one, whatever his name is nowadays. Sean Combs. Yeah, he's another one. These guys are extremely intelligent. They really know how to do marketing and they know how to invest. None of them are poor.

1:13:05 And they don't seem to be getting poor. I mean, compared with the same kind of professional athletes that don't have quite the intelligence, not to say that most of them don't, some of them do, but when they have a lot of money, they end up broke. These guys will never end up broke. I mean, if they do, it's because they gave it away, but not because it was stolen from them. So in review, people really got gypped. Sorry to use that term. Shortchanged. on what Kanye did. And certainly the black Americans got shortchanged by the news media who was supposed to be serving them. Could someone have just listened and don't even show a clip just say, well he was talking about the 13th amendment, Larry Hoover, and how really the... I mean Democrats agree on the on that there's too many people in prisons.

1:13:53 But no, they don't want black people to hear what Kanye has to say. I'm glad! I learned a lot. I went to Opus 1, and I'm like, oh, what is this? This is how I learned this stuff. No, that can't be done by Don Lemon, who had to turn the sound down because he was so offended. That's offensive. That's actually racist. Like, keeping the black man down, way to go, Don. And everybody, everybody did it. It was unbelievable. Well, black man keeps himself down a lot of times. We lost our one of our listeners, the Incognigro. Yeah, we lost him. Because he was irked by a deconstruction we did, which was critical of Hillary. That had nothing to do with race then.

1:14:42 No, but it has to do with what Kanye was talking about, which is that if you're black, you have to be a Democrat. Anyway, I fear for Kanye because it's so easy to get rid of this guy. I don't think they have to do it now because they've marginalized him. But, you know, when you hear these kids on YouTube, that's a million point two subscribers. You know, people may just start to listen. I fear for Kanye if he keeps this up and people start listening to him, it could be bad for his health. Yeah, but they've done a good job of it. I think they've kept him safe. They're keeping him safe. We're actually endangering him, but I feel pretty good about it. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for Combs, Dvorak. In the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. In the morning to all ships at sea.

1:15:36 Boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, today means tonight's out there. In the morning to our troll room, noagendastream.com is where the trolls line up and get ready for every single show live. Noagendastream.com, you can actually listen live on Sundays and Thursdays. Also in the morning to Uncle Cave Bear. Uncle Cave Bear brought us the artwork for episode 1076. Title of that was M-Word and he brought us the The zombies of 2030, it was just a great compilation piece of, you know, the global warming killing us all in the background and we're all just zombies kind of floating around. It's a, it's kind of a look into our nearby future.

1:16:16 If we bless you if we don't keep our global warming down by 1.5 degrees So we appreciate the work that uncle cave bear did there and all of our artists who? We got a lot of art actually or no agenda art generator comments actually quite a bit There was quite a bit of art and funny too, but we got to choose one But oh also thanks for the word cloud couple people to word clouds. I think you use that in the in the newsletter, word cloud. I was hoping it would be a little more. Yeah. Yeah. It actually, it was not quite as exciting as I had hoped it would be. At least somebody could do those. Now I do have a lot of stuff in the second half of the show about global. I got to follow up to the global warming, but mostly by deconstructing Al Gore and I found his tell. You know what? You know what I like about this, John, I challenged you

1:17:04 To make a non-boring climate report and I think you've taken the challenge, so I look forward to that. Well let me think, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 clips of algal. I'm thinking it's genius. Now I'm going to say that most of them are for 10 seconds. It doesn't matter, you took the challenge and I appreciate it and that's why we're a great show. Perhaps the best show. Well, it is supposedly Patrick Funchion. We want to thank him for being the one and only executive producer for show 1077 Yeah, it was not a great showing actually I noticed no it's very poor very boring I think people are didn't like the last show 333 and he says what am I doing? What is this check email from Patrick? I don't know it's a

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1:23:50 Hey, just a question for our European listeners. Jim Brown, the football player, wasn't he also in some movie, like comedy movie? Well, he's mostly in Westerns. Played the tough guy. Yeah, wasn't he in something? I want to say like airplane, but it wasn't that. Oh, he may have been in airplane. Yeah, it's possible. Oh, police academy. Police academy. Thank you, Troll Room. Yeah, police academy. That's right. Jim Brown. I don't know if it was... Bubba Smith was in police academy. Oh, wait. No, no, no. High Tower. Was that was that that wasn't Jim Brown was that was Bubba Smith who was Hightower Mars attacks? I think he was in that dirty dozen. Well, he didn't do it doesn't go look him up You'll find he did a lot of movies. He was a very famous actor did a lot of movies Yeah, and he was a tough guy. He was life. No one's gonna call him an uncle Tom He was non-existent studio. He wasn't he what?

1:24:44 He'd go in there and say, what did you call me? Oh right, back in the day. Oh yeah. Today! Today he went with his cane and go, beat some Don Lemon ass. Make some lemonade. And by the way, when we talk about something like this, of violence, promoting it, I want to point out that, you know, the Republicans are the ones with the guns, the Democrats are the ones that shouldn't have guns and they should be illegal. We talked about in the last show. But here's Nicole Wallace on... She's the worst and she's looking pretty bad. They called him out? Yeah. It would have been a very different impact. So I told Jeb Bush after that debate that I thought he should have punched him in the face. They said even if you lost, he insulted your wife. He came down the escalator and called Mexicans rapists and murderers. He said, well what do you think I should have done? I said, I think you should have punched him in the face and then gotten out of the race. You would have been a hero. No, he wouldn't. Adderall. She's on Adderall. She's on something. Yeah. I do have a little Entremont. Okay.

1:25:46 This is Alex Jones. I'm gonna I've got a compilation I put together I only have this is just piece up one small piece of a very long piece which I'm gonna take clips from every so often Now I did that I do have a small ISO as a suggestion for end of show. Okay. Done. You're in. You're in. I'm going to lead you into your Al Gore with a little climate change update from the Van Jones show, which I found myself watching a lot of television with the Keeper yesterday. Van Jones show? Yeah, Van Jones has a show on CNN. Wow. Yes, it's a talk show with an audience and he's very pleased about it. And I'm looking forward to tonight, by the way. What's his name? Alex...

1:26:52 Do you know Alex? What's his last name? I can't remember for some reason The guy who plays Trump on Saturday Night Live Alec Baldwin Alec Alec not Alex. That's what got me Alec Baldwin's got a talk show and they're running it on primetime on NBC Oh, I didn't even was there a SNL last night. I didn't even watch I didn't know there was I did watch some stuff last night. What's her come up later? I But here's Van Jones and he's talking about the report, of course, the we're all going to die within 12 years. And he brings on known climate change expert Neil deGrasse Tyson.

1:27:28 Oh wait, he's an astrophysicist. But it doesn't matter, it's Neil deGrasse Tyson everybody! What is the thing that worries you the most about climate? We've had relatively stable climate. No ice ages, no hot spells, and we've had these ice caps that have remained, primarily in Antarctica and Greenland. Oh my gosh, if you melt those ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica, The water levels will rise and come to the level of the Statue of Liberty's elbow. Her elbow, I tell ya! That's actually better than any of the clips I have on Malibu. You might as well play clip of the day for that one. Up to her elbow, I tell ya! Up to her elbow!

1:28:15 Let me play you the rest. sea level change and where are all the greatest cities in the world? They're on the ocean's edge, on the river's edge. My point is, sorry, Austin's not on the river's edge. What's going to happen first? The coastal cities will get flooded. You're not going to just see water levels slowly rise. That will happen, but that's not what you're going to notice first. The storm, the swell that previously only brought the water to here now breaches your city walls.

1:28:53 You'll see it in the extremes of the weather. And this will destabilize the world. And you know who knows about this? It's the military. The Pentagon has no debate. The Pentagon has no debate. And who else doesn't have a debate? Insurance companies. Oh, that doesn't seem to be true. That doesn't seem to be true. How about your home, John? You're right there, one of the great cities of the world, right on the coast. You're going to be up to your elbow in water. Has your insurance changed for your home? No, not at all. Oh, well. We had a clip in the last show, I think you had it, about showing that one of the things or somebody expressed this that The insurance companies are the guys that know what they're the ones with the money they have to, they can lose. And so they've been insuring it. The only place I know of where I know that there has been an effect is in Biloxi.

1:29:38 because that storm that came in, the one 10 years ago, Katrina, I think is the one that slammed there. It got to all these coastal, all the stuff that was right on the coast, right on the water. And the insurance company says, we're not gonna pay for any more of this kind of thing. And so now it's all, Biloxi's kind of stripped of all these beautiful mansions that used to be on the coastline because no one will build there because the insurance is too high. But that's the only place I know of where this has happened. Yeah, yes. It's not because of rising sea levels, it's because of the possibility of a hurricane strike right there. Military. The Pentagon has no debate. The Pentagon has no debate. You know what else doesn't have a debate? Insurance companies. But you're saying our cities are at risk, our civilizations are at risk, you're going to displace a whole bunch of people and that could cause all kinds of wars. It'll happen faster than you can move the city inland. We're all gonna die! Alright, so just...

1:30:29 There's proof! Neil deGrasse Tyson says your insurance rates are going up. That is actually frightening, but I don't see any evidence of this happening yet, Neil deGrasse. Now, which is more of this, and this is what Al Gore, so Al Gore comes on to the PBS News Hour with Judy. And just to give you an idea, I'm going to just clip to, this is Al Gore 12, trapped energy A. Okay. This is an ask Adam. I'm sorry. I was just going to say this is kind of an ask Adam. Let's talk about the science. You mentioned it. There was this major report from the UN scientific panel, the group that you shared a Nobel Peace Prize with, what, about 10 years ago. They are painting a much more alarming picture of what we face than we had previously known. What is significant to you? What is most significant in this report to you?

1:29:38 because that storm that came in, the one 10 years ago, Katrina, I think is the one that slammed there. It got to all these coastal, all the stuff that was right on the coast, right on the water. And the insurance company says, we're not gonna pay for any more of this kind of thing. And so now it's all, Biloxi's kind of stripped of all these beautiful mansions that used to be on the coastline because no one will build there because the insurance is too high. But that's the only place I know of where this has happened. Yeah, yes. It's not because of rising sea levels, it's because of the possibility of a hurricane strike right there. Military. The Pentagon has no debate. The Pentagon has no debate. You know what else doesn't have a debate? Insurance companies. But you're saying our cities are at risk, our civilizations are at risk, you're going to displace a whole bunch of people and that could cause all kinds of wars. It'll happen faster than you can move the city inland. We're all gonna die! Alright, so just...

1:30:29 There's proof! Neil deGrasse Tyson says your insurance rates are going up. That is actually frightening, but I don't see any evidence of this happening yet, Neil deGrasse. Now, which is more of this, and this is what Al Gore, so Al Gore comes on to the PBS News Hour with Judy. And just to give you an idea, I'm going to just clip to, this is Al Gore 12, trapped energy A. Okay. This is an ask Adam. I'm sorry. I was just going to say this is kind of an ask Adam. Let's talk about the science. You mentioned it. There was this major report from the UN scientific panel, the group that you shared a Nobel Peace Prize with, what, about 10 years ago. They are painting a much more alarming picture of what we face than we had previously known. What is significant to you? What is most significant in this report to you?

1:31:26 The language the IPCC used in presenting it is torqued up a little bit appropriately. How do they get the attention of policy makers around the world? You know, the man-made global warming pollution accumulates in the atmosphere and it stays there a pretty long time. And it now traps as much extra heat energy every day So he's saying it was kind of to coin a phrase trumped up to get everyone's attention. He's basically admitting it He didn't use the word Trump. No, I coined the phrase. Yeah trapped. Yes, I'm dumb Yes, but he says you did you hear the end there is like a quick an open thing He's gonna give you the answer to it. I want you to see if you can just I want you to play it again the end and

1:32:14 So we can then play the answer to what he's about to say. In other words, his conclusion. And I want you to try to listen carefully to what this... What is really what he's saying? Let me go back to 10 seconds. You know, the man-made global warming pollution accumulates in the atmosphere and it stays there a pretty long time. And it now traps as much extra heat energy every day. So what's the, I'm not sure what the question is. It traps as much energy every day as... Oh, as. So it's going to be a comparison.

1:32:49 He's gonna do a comparison, I want you to note it. I want you to write it down. Because every day, this is what happens. Play clip B. And it now traps as much extra heat energy every day as would be released by 500,000 Hiroshima-class atomic bombs exploding every day. 500,000 Hiroshima bombs exploding every day. I thought we had a statistic like that on a clip previously. Can somebody out there who really wants to do it, I mean, I could do some research and do this. I would like the math on that.

1:33:30 Here, I got something from an old clip. Let me just see what this is. Has the earth warmed in the last 18 years or not? Let's hear from both men. Firstly, Dr. Moore. Ah, it's going to take too long. There is something else that we had about Hiroshima, but I'll check that clip after the show, see what they said. I'm gonna skip the sea clip, because it goes on about how it's all sucked up by the ocean, which he talks about. Then he talks about how the ocean is getting so hot that it's creating these super storms. Of course, the first one was that one years ago, then we hadn't had one for 10, but we're not gonna count that. Here's another kind of interesting, I like the way he phrases this, I think this is new. This is clip 11, I think this is a new idea, a new way to put things.

1:34:14 The scientists not only predicted these consequences, they're telling us they're going to get a lot worse still. Until we stopped using the Earth's atmosphere as an open sewer for 110 million tons of man-made global warming pollution every single day. Wow, man-made global warming pollution is a sewer. What comes out of your pie hole is a sewer. We have a sewer. We're using the atmosphere as a sewer. Nice. I thought that was actually quite good. I'm gonna rename your clip to spell it properly in case we're looking for it again. Now, um...

1:34:50 Let's listen to where I picked up his tell when he's like, knows he's lying and he has a micro expression. I'm gonna get into these a little more. In fact, there's a course I might take from the expert on it. And there's a guy in the Bay Area who does this. Micro expressions are these little momentary Mistakes you make to give away whether you're telling the truth or not. Okay, and they're used by the intelligence agencies and some give me an example Well, you're gonna have an example here. Okay, so let's play Al Gore 10 store. This is this is Al Gore storms get stronger

1:35:34 Not the ISO, but the long trip. More importantly, the scientific community has long been convinced and has been warning policy makers for some time. The earmarks of this latest storm, Judy, are worth paying attention to. Starting with Hurricane Harvey, which hit Houston, Texas a year ago and dumped five feet of rain, we have been seeing a new pattern. And Hurricane Michael intensified as it reached the coast. And that's something relatively new. And the reason for it is

1:36:12 The ocean waters are much warmer than normal, so it's not getting cold waters churned up to weaken the storm. It just keeps on getting stronger. Now of course this is bullcrap because Florence, which was the storm in between, got weaker. Yes, it died right off died off and stuck there on the coast of North Carolina But if you say it by saying if you're Al Gore you say of course storms get stronger, then you believe it now Here's the tell see if you can spot it. This is in the ISO Okay, more importantly the scientific community has ah this little laugh community

1:36:56 His tell is having a an awkward chuckle very very small Chuckle yeah, let me hear it again middle of a word that he knows is part of a bullshit commentary listen again more importantly the scientific community has he's laughing about you know He's actually laughing at the scientific community. He's like those assholes. They'll do whatever I tell them Good catch. Now I have two more examples of this. That's what I was going to ask. Yes, do we have examples? Now I want to hear it. You'll be able to pick them up. There's one where he actually does it three times. Oh, can you use the tell in a sentence?

1:37:34 The nervous laugh, the way he uses it to me is a tell that this is bullshit. Because you can, when you parse the whole sentence, you start to hear that the assertions are awkward. Now let's try this one. This is the global emergency clip and then the tell in ISO. We have a global emergency. And you use a phrase like that and sometimes First of all, I'm gonna give you a clip of the show for this. This is fantastic. So he's laughing at his own bullcrap about it being a global emergency. We have a global emergency and you use a phrase like that and some people think it's bull crap.

1:38:29 to switch away from dirty fossil fuels and shift to electric vehicles and make agriculture and forestry much more sustainable and deal with the waste loops in manufacturing. All things that we can do, we know how to do them. We ought to be doing these things for other reasons anyway. But if we do not begin taking action very quickly and creating jobs in the process by the way, then the scientists warn us that the consequences down the road would be far, far worse than what we're experiencing now. Oh my God! And could actually extend to an existential threat to human civilization on this planet as we know it. Wow!

1:39:14 There's four tells in there. Yeah. So we started with the emergency. Then the, what was the second one? Well, the other one was just casually in there. I mean, there's just four of them in there, but the biggest one was this one, which I have on ISO would be far, far worse than what we're experiencing now. There's no reason for that laugh to be in there unless it's a tell. Yes. That's just not true. It's not going to be far, far worse. Wow. Now, now the one I got the biggest clip out of, Or biggest clip, I'm sorry. The biggest kick. It's okay, I like that too. I got the biggest kick out of this one. Judy says something in the form of a question and then Al Gore feels obliged to interrupt her because there is this thing going on and it's actually he gives her a scolding for saying something that you can't say anymore. Oh. And he knows it. You can't say it on PBS NewsHour, you can't say it anywhere. You can't suggest

1:40:14 that there's any alternative to his thesis. Does you know a number of conservatives, other scientists are saying these dire future predictions are just not borne out by evidence. But the other thing is the political... Hold on, let me stop you there. When you say other scientists... These are the wrong scientists? Is that what I'm going to hear? So he's going to now give her a lecture about why she made a mistake and she should be scolded for even suggesting. And now you're going to hear a number that we like to talk. We like to see our numbers about 97. 97, 98 is where I like my numbers. 97 climate scientists, 90 this, 90 that. All these different things. Gore has taken it up to a new level. Stop you there. When you say other scientists,

1:41:08 Not really there. There are a few there are a few outliers But you know 99% of the scientific community You know 99 plus percent of the scientific community is aligned on these objectives Wow Oh, just let me just give you this, just for now. I disagree. I think the Al Gore stuff is dynamite. Now here's the thing that is, he, with this, what really bothers me, he does the tell knowing it's bullshit. 99% of the entire scientific community, or no, over 99%, this is nonsense. 99 plus, 99 plus he says. And he does his little tell in the middle knowing it's a lie.

1:42:00 He knows it's a lie. We will reach 100% if we have to kill every last one of them. And so he goes, but then he does this little trick at the end, which I got, I was totally disgusted by this. It does not, this is just ridiculous. This isn't the part three of this. Is aligned on these objectives. You still have some people who say the earth is flat and not round, but you don't give them equal time and saying some people say round, some people say flat. Yeah, that is so sick. Don't give him equal time. Uh-uh. Don't give any dissenters equal time. Shut up slave. Just shut up. So anyway. So now this last clip is my last clip. These are all nice and short.

1:42:42 This is him condemning Trump and there's a tell in here and I don't even know I saw it I don't even bother because by now you can spot these a mile away and and here's the tell and here's him Discussing Trump. His proposal is literally insane and his reaction to the scientific communities warnings is an outlier reaction it's making the US come off like a rogue nation and God yeah we're a rogue nation yeah this guy needs to be a necrotized how about that word huh how about fact he's even on with this blather and then he's obviously to me lying through his teeth

1:43:37 is just like, it was a 12 minute segment on the News Hour that was uncalled for, unjustified. It was just ridiculous. It had to do with the IPCC report. Yes, of course, of course. It gave him this grounds for his little nervous laugh in the middle of things. Unbelievable. That was that. Anyway, that's my Elgor. Very good. I'll just keep it with the agenda 2030 and climate change for one last one I've got here. The this most recent hurricane Michael came out of nowhere 48 hours it developed and was was in and then it just died away It was in a very awkward place The panhandle this is very uncommon for anything like that to happen up there in fact I think we got an email from one of our producers. I don't have it here but

1:44:36 The, uh, there's something, and I said jokingly, oh well, you know, it's time for the midterms, we got some elections going on, we got the, oh wait, we have the global warming report is out, uh, we need to create a hurricane, alright, flip on harp, brrrrr, let's do it here. But the here is what's interesting, this is local radio guy, I think, Neil Boots? Or he was local from the area, and this is from his radio show. I went to high school in the Florida panhandle, Pensacola. Went through a couple of hurricanes while I was there. So mild that we could water ski in the bayou when the hurricane was going on.

1:45:13 I know these towns of Panama City and Destin and Mexico Beach. I cannot believe the devastation that has occurred. The third most powerful hurricane, Michael, to ever hit the shoreline of the United States. A lot of people are suffering. A lot of people hurting very badly. I hope you can find the time to help somebody out there. The state of Florida is going to need some help, too. You see, the panhandle is a strong conservative area. It played very big in the 2000 election when they were calling the election for George W. Bush before the polls were even closed. I wonder how many votes that cost.

1:45:58 But now, with the election, what, 25 days away, will the infrastructure be there for those people in the panhandle to vote in the Florida elections? You have Rick Scott running against Ben Nelson who richly deserves to be put out to pasture. He's done nothing. And you have this Andrew Gillum guy running against Ron DeSantis. Andrew Gillum, friend of Bernie Sanders. This Andrew Gillum, that's one of the biggest contested races that's going on right now. Everyone's talking about this Gillum guy.

1:46:35 And so this freak storm, once in a century storm, happens there and he rightly points out they may not even have infrastructure to vote there. Coincidence? I think not! That's an interesting coincidence. I think not! It's one of those things, just go... Well there's a couple things going on, I should mention my new voters guide. Yes, I looked at your voters guide. I have a if anybody from California is for Californians only I have a Dvorak org slash voter single you voter guide I should probably put up a second page. Hold on. Hold on. It's voter guide. Is it not dot HTM? Yes. How did you know? It's dot HTM. That's the modern way of doing give us the URL again Dvorak org slash voter guide dot HTM and that's the modern way of doing it.

1:47:30 Yeah. Why is that? Because it has less letters. I was waiting two days for that answer. You didn't let me down. Well, you know the funny thing about HTM versus HTML is HTM came out of Microsoft because... Yeah, and Microsoft couldn't handle any... Couldn't handle an extra letter. Couldn't handle a four-character extension. During that era, you could not ever... If you had an image that was image.jpg... JPEG. Yeah, just what I don't get it. I can't do it. I can't open it It's had to be JPG and I think front page and all those programs outputted in dot HTM in the beginning they did good job

1:48:16 And if you go to Word and push... Save as webpage. Save as webpage, it always saves as HTML, but you can save it .html and it will save it that way reluctantly. So I decided just to give in and do HTM. So anyways, voterguide.htm.org and it's for the propositions only. Now, just so we understand. Not every state has, in fact Texas has no propositions. We do have propositions at the county level, but in California it's a little different.

1:48:51 California is one of the few states that has these statewide initiatives and propositions. And this is the kind of democracy that liberals want, is most votes wins the proposition. Well, no, it makes it, yes, exactly. And the proposition, even though they do all this other stuff, and in fact, Proposition 9, which was the proposition to, and which is on the list there, the proposition to split the state into three pieces, was struck down by a court. as an illegal proposition. Even though all the, they went through all this trouble to get it on the ballot and they took it off the ballot. So the court took it off the ballot. Yeah. So much for you voters, shut up. So much for you for Tim Draper. That's his proposition. Oh, I gotcha. And so I had, I went through these propositions because there's two or three of them, especially the one that really got me is proposition eight. And proposition eight is a, is nothing more than a,

1:48:16 And if you go to Word and push... Save as webpage. Save as webpage, it always saves as HTML, but you can save it .html and it will save it that way reluctantly. So I decided just to give in and do HTM. So anyways, voterguide.htm.org and it's for the propositions only. Now, just so we understand. Not every state has, in fact Texas has no propositions. We do have propositions at the county level, but in California it's a little different.

1:48:51 California is one of the few states that has these statewide initiatives and propositions. And this is the kind of democracy that liberals want, is most votes wins the proposition. Well, no, it makes it, yes, exactly. And the proposition, even though they do all this other stuff, and in fact, Proposition 9, which was the proposition to, and which is on the list there, the proposition to split the state into three pieces, was struck down by a court. as an illegal proposition. Even though all the, they went through all this trouble to get it on the ballot and they took it off the ballot. So the court took it off the ballot. Yeah. So much for you voters, shut up. So much for you for Tim Draper. That's his proposition. Oh, I gotcha. And so I had, I went through these propositions because there's two or three of them, especially the one that really got me is proposition eight. And proposition eight is a, is nothing more than a,

1:49:49 Then take it then repealing a recent gasoline tax. Let me get this thing up. Yeah, get it up It's taking you longer to get it up and then you see Proposition eight and get it right. Yeah. Oh, no. I'm sorry six six. Okay six. Oh Proposition 6, there's all these ads, vote no on 6, vote no on 6 because all our infrastructure is going to fall apart. And we talked about this on the show once before, this is bull crap. Proposition 6 is nothing more than repealing a tax grab gasoline tax, which was just added to the gasoline prices. Right. And what was that added for? I'm sure it was to pay for something. It was added to steal money from the public.

1:50:46 Okay. Just making sure that California is still up to their old tricks. Yeah. And so there's a huge, so I've, that's what triggered me to do this California propositions, no agenda voters guide with a little cheat sheet at the bottom. You can take to them anyway. I would recommend these, these are all, and I've looked at a couple of these other contradictory ones like proposition 10 is another interesting one where it's about, about rents and it's, it has, it's, it seems to be a, they're They're trying to vote it no because of the, uh, a bunch of real estate, uh, investment trusts and other people with a lot of money that is going to hurt them anyway. So there's that. So I, what I did was I got a, uh, I, this is the first year I did this cause I know in Washington state, it's all vote by mail. So I, but you can do that in California if you put in a, um,

1:51:36 a request, and so I got my package yesterday, my official election balloting material, and it comes in this big envelope with all these ballots, real ballots, which I guess they put through the machine when they get it back. This has gotta be five to $10 mailing per person. It's a real heavy package. It's got a lot of printed material. I was stunned, stunned, I tell you. You do have to put your own postage on it. So you'd always vote by mail. I mean, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You have to put your own postage on it. I don't. Yeah. It's not postage paid. No. If it was US government, that's voter suppression. Yeah, maybe. Well, they should pay for it. I get I have mail from banks that say no postage necessary. This says if additional postage required. I understand. But that's voter suppression. You need actual money to do that kind of voting. You need stamp money.

1:52:39 I don't think so. The reason I bring that up is because Texas is always, I was doing some of this you know based upon what you were doing and I wandered off into some other spot and I found out that you know Texas suppresses everybody because we have voter ID laws. If you do not have an ID which is recognized which is quite an extensive list of photo ID you can come in with a check, a government check, a utility bill, anything like that will allow you to vote. So I don't know about all this, it's hurting black people because they don't have ID. Oh, you need a government check. I think, you know, now, which by the way, I mean, that whole statement is racist. You know, minorities can't get it because they don't, because they, you know, they don't have an ID. They can't go to the DMV. But I presume if you're thinking that way, they do have a government check.

1:53:34 Well, we've already debunked this with the black community which did a number of videos on hey, we all have IDs Yes, of course. We're not stupid for Texas I am, so the main thing is there's no props. But Austin has propositions, we have a $950 million bond and I'm voting against all pieces of it and I'm voting against Mayor Steven Adler who I think is just a weak douchebag. He is not, I mean, for example, We have $250 million for it. Here it comes, low-cost housing, affordable housing. No, this has never worked in Austin. Never ever. And if it would work, it would become an instant ghetto. There's nothing in there for the homeless. There's nothing for what's going to happen with this huge influx of people. Transportation, no great ideas. So I'm voting against all of it. And mainly Stephen Adler, our fine mayor of Austin.

1:54:37 Data right beta male extraordinaire now another as you know I'm really I'm really irked about the scooter situation and I have an update for you and I believe that these companies these Silicon Valley companies in their arrogance because they are arrogant cocks have made a huge mistake they've underestimated a massive point of their business models and So, to reiterate, these are the electric scooters that are dropped into a city without any coordination with the city to gain market share, to be the first one to do it. You need a smartphone, you can ride around with it. We've had Austin City Limits these past two weekends, ACL, lots of people riding the scooters.

1:55:21 I want to say I'm very pro-electric scooter. I think it's a fantastic mode of transportation. But, Mayor Adler, we do need to have some rules and we need to hold these companies accountable when, you know, when People are driving over people on sidewalks, people are getting hurt unnecessarily, the regulations are unclear, people can't access, you know, there's always the wheelchair access, these things are parked everywhere, thrown about, and you've done a very poor, he's done a very poor job of anything to do with that. But San Francisco is in this case an interesting model for Austin.

1:55:57 What they did is they have now sanctioned, by law, this, okay, we now, the city's transit agency has said, you know what? We're going to let electric scooters back onto our streets, but only if you adhere to our regulations. And they had a whole, and I have it in the show notes, you can take a look at it. You know, you have to have certain, the scooters have to adhere to certain specifications, but also you need people on the ground who are able to assist people. And there were eight companies bid for this. And it wasn't like they were just going to choose one. They said, okay, you have to, they had a rating, fair, poor, poor, fair, good, excellent.

1:56:37 You know, if someone wants a helmet, one company actually will provide you one. And what they did is the guys who were in early, the early birds so to speak, didn't get permission. And they're out there in sense because this is Silicon Valley. Well, we're Uber, we bought this bike company, we put it in first, we should be on the streets of San Francisco. But this is where they made a mistake. They thought, just like the car model, where you just flood every city with Ubers, they thought they could do the same with scooters. But the thought process they made the mistake in is these scooters are not owned by individuals who are driving around the streets of San Francisco or Austin already.

1:57:24 They're your property and therefore they can be impounded, they can be forbidden, and your model of going in and flooding the market is not working. Now it's smaller guys, local companies, although arguably those kind some of the you know lime and bird are local. Then they may be acquired, but I like it and they've made a mistake by thinking that they could that they're God Almighty they can throw anything they want That's really the thing that that may be the most angriest. Who do you think you are? Like let's just it's a good idea But let's do it properly and not just throw shit into everyone's street Which is now happening in Copenhagen even so I will give props to the city of San Francisco for doing that I thought that was really good, and I like watching these assholes squirm and

1:58:11 Because I really despise them. Well, I read an article about this whole thing and I don't think people understand it that apparently the reason everyone's gotten onto this JAGS so enthusiastically, it's like about a 90-day payout to break even on the scam. It's like 90 days to break even. To break even on what? On the cost of the whole adventure. Per scooter or just in general the whole no this the scooter deal 90 days hmm Yeah, something like 90 days you put the scooters out there and with the depreciation and the taxes and this and that and the other thing as I said that yes 90 days later you're now making money. Yeah, even if the scooters are thrown in the bay you're making money right well

1:59:03 Again, I'm for it. I'm not against it. I'm not for it. Okay. Well, in Austin, I think it's actually a great idea, but you have to have some rules and Mayor Adler is just not doing it. Well, when one of these guys goes bombing by and knocks you on your ass, tell me what you think then. Before we take our break, I want to have the unhinged Trump hater of the week. This is a voice we have not heard from before. I would say it rivals Rob Reiner. Very, very close. And something I'm noticing, actually, I've, maybe because I was going to bring it up, I've cussed more than usual on today's show, but this seems to be the norm with Trump hate is that, you know, look at Kathy Griffin, look at Robert De Niro, who I think Robert De Niro really gave license to everybody who hates Trump to use profanity.

1:59:59 And some profanity or cuss words can be completely legitimate and can be very effective if you're very you're much better at that than I am I have Tourette's so that's why you know so I think about it happens and So this guy I liked as a as an actor comedian Robert Klein. I was caught outside a restaurant and I think he's our unhinged Trump hater of the week. How about the Russians interfered in our election and he colluded with them? There is lots of proof of it. They had a meeting, didn't they? How about 11, how about 22 people have been invested, have been indicted? 11 Russians, Mr. Manafort, all those, these are people they're indicted.

2:00:47 They're pleaded guilty. They pled guilty. He's any other administration. If a man so close to the president pled guilty for taxes, he'd be gone. What if Obama had fucked a pornographic actress? I love how he says, fuck, but won't say porn star. Somehow he gets a hold of himself and, oh, I have to say that nicely. I have to say pornographic actress because I don't want to offend the porn community or something like that. This is very interesting. What if Obama had fucked a pornographic actress?

2:01:23 Excuse me a few months after his wife gave birth. This is our president the United States Who gives a fuck that's what he is Well, that's your problem That's wonderful he's a great guy You couldn't even introduce me properly at Mar-a-Lago when I had a gig. Now we find the true source of his anger. I guess Trump flubbed the name Robert Klein at a Mar-a-Lago gig. That's wonderful. He's a great guy. You couldn't even introduce me properly at Mar-a-Lago when I had a gig. And you like Trump?

2:02:10 I do. I like what I like. I like that tax cut. I mean, you're like those judges. I mean, good for you. You're an American. Hey, you think I'm out of control? I'm not. Yeah, let's go. Typical Trump voter. Oh, wait a minute. Who works? Here we go. Here's a picture together. Come on. Hey, my truck. This is what America's become. Well, Robert Klein has been out of the picture for so long, but he is a notorious kind of hard to work with guy. Let's put it that way. He seems like a gem. I wouldn't mind hanging out with him. I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Air on No Agenda.

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2:05:56 Oh, well. Anyway, I want to thank these folks for helping produce Show 1077. And everyone who came in under that for reasons of anonymity, but a lot of you also on our subscriptions. I cannot stress how important these are. These are smaller amounts, but they come, they're recurring. And we really appreciate that because that's just kind of a little base that we have, which is really nice. We could grow that a lot more. So please consider supporting the show that way. I wanted to mention, I got this rather weird gift. I wonder if you had gotten them from Ryan Showalter. It's, I guess he works at a valve and casting company? Oh yes. Yeah, in fact he sent me a nice note. He's a third generation or second generation of a guy who said, he said, it was a very pleasant note. Let me just explain what I have because I didn't have a note. There was no note. Just his card. And so it says Fresno valves and I have an ice cream scoop and a bottle opener and they're very cool.

2:06:51 And they really look interesting and I presume they're made from valves. No, no, they're not made. They look like they're from valve handles. No, they're cast. Explain the notes. These are actual castings and it may be a handle part of the casting but the way you make castings is you make a mold and then you put sand around it. It's a long process but I used to inspect these places so I wrote it, talked about it and he said that he was listening to the show and when I was bitching as like a do well very rarely. He says, uh, you know, I heard what you said about the second and third generation kids not taking any interest in what their dad was doing or the business that they started, or especially the third generation has been my experience. And they just say, screw it. We don't want to have anything to do with it. We want to go off and do something else. You know, we want to, we want to become ourselves or they want to find something. He said he took it to heart.

2:07:47 And he says he said he's dad's business was was being a big valve casting operation valves I believe the new manhole covers I don't know what but they can cast things like those what you got the two gifts. Yep Uh, and those are most of these, uh, foundries are called the founders is that owned a foundry. These foundries usually make a number of gimmicks that they give away to their customers. And I think those are the, okay. Those are the emphasis show the style of the casting. It's like, you know, interesting. And so you, and there's, those are both nice. The ice cream scoop is particularly sharp too.

2:08:26 Well, it's designed for the parlors, you know. Yes. It's the flat kind of a trowel-like thing where you dig in there and you can get a... Trowel, yes. Trowel, that is the right word. And so he said, and he went back and he decided to take it very seriously, and now he's entrenched as a guy running a foundry, which by the way has got to be a kick. Huh. Okay, remind me I have a note from a teacher right after we're done with the segment because people do listen to us and take things to heart even though I'm glad he took it to heart because it's he must have been Eating at him because it seems to me that if you just happen to mention it's a coincidence. It's a cosmic thing I guess you just happen to say something that just happens to trigger somebody wait, and I was just thinking about that and

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2:11:48 But why I had a note I had a note from the teacher yeah, and now why can't I find my note all of a sudden? This is bad. Come on Well, oh yes here. We go. This is from a beers a teacher Adam. I'm a high school English teacher in Candanavia I just wanted to thank you for referencing the short story titled Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut and After hearing about it on your podcast, I immediately looked into it and had my students read and deconstruct the short story. The results were amazing. I just want you to know how aware students are about this pendulum swing of hyper-equality and its impact. My students clearly articulated a variety of opinions about how all these social justice groups are actually creating a more divisive society in the end.

2:12:38 I was proud of how well my students could see the errors in society and discuss them in non-judgmental environment, unlike the universities today, openly and freely. There is hope for the future. Ha! Your show and the work you and John are doing is having an impact directly and indirectly on more people than you know. Keep up the good work. Yeah, we wish. Buzzkill! Now here is a... I don't know if this is real. It was one of our producers sent it to me, it's apparently picked it up with a microphone off of a KUOW.

2:13:16 KUOW broadcast when they had their little, this is a public broadcasting NPR kind of a station and this is what he heard and it was like, and by the way, it seems to me to be a violation of their advertising policy because there was a call to action in this advertisement that one of those, oh, we're sponsored by so and so, this is our underwriter and listen to this. KUOW FM, KUOW Tumwater and KQOW Bellingham. Support for KUOW comes from the Central Intelligence Agency's Directorate of Operations, where mission and impact meet to address global challenges. Learn more at cia.gov slash careers. Discover the truth. It's six o'clock.

2:14:00 The payoff is great. Here's I got a payoff boss discover the truth. That's what it's gonna be. I think it's real I told you that Gina McCaskill was out recruiting She was doing a speech at some University and and the whole thing was a recruitment session You know, they've got recruiters. They're ready to they're signing people up left and right well, they have to I mean people do and tens of thousands of people work for the CIA and And so they have to hire him from someplace. Yes, of course. Of course. They go to college. I just thought it was strange that a public broadcasting station would use them as their underwriter. Well, discover the truth. That's great. Discover the truth. We've got it here. It's or create the truth. It's whatever you want. CIA, lots of capabilities. So last night,

2:14:57 just disgusted with the news broadcasts, I wound up switching to HBO. Now, I trust a lot on HBO, unlike Amazon and Netflix, because, you know, even though it may not be something I want, HBO has quality stuff. It's top-notch. And so there's a couple of things I watched that I wanted to discuss. First of all, I have to say, hands down, are you familiar with Flight of the Conchords? Do you know these guys? No. So about 10 years ago they had a show that's two guys from New Zealand and they play mainly guitar but lots of different instruments and they have very funny lyrics and it's a comedy bit and it was very successful and they've come back and they've done a special. I just wanted to mention you have to watch this because at a certain point they're doing a song and they both break into a recorder solo

2:15:48 But I mean like Pete Townshend style. So you have to watch this because I was crying it was so good. And I thought of us, obviously. Like, there's an idea for us. What? A recorder? Go on the road and then do a recorder solo? You should see the the flight of the Concords. Okay, I'll check it out. So that was on HBO. Then, even though they aired in a different order because I was on the on the Roku box sending all of my information to Roku headquarters, I had Bill Maher, I wanted to watch that, but I first watched the very first video version of a podcast.

2:16:28 This is very exciting for me as the podfather. Oh yes, this is the Pod Save America. Yes. They decided to put it on the HBO. They decided to put it on the HBO. That's correct. And I was excited for them. And I have heard of this podcast. I have listened to it. I believe it is... It's a hillbutt podcast. No, no. It is two... it's the former Obama speechwriters They're both in this podcast. There's one guy who's kind of the comedian, they have a girl in there and so they actually... It's like a morning zoo! A little bit, they took the whole podcast and then they do it on stage in front of a live audience. It was very, very animated. But this podcast is pretty much one thing and one thing only, including a little edited segment on how to canvas. It is completely a Democrat Party

2:17:24 Democratic Party funded voter drive from beginning to end and not making... it's not a news show. It is a show to get you to go vote for Democrats and to hate Republicans and to particularly hate Donald Trump. I was telling you... Sounds right. Sorry, I have two clips from it. I was telling you earlier how I feel that in most people you and I'm not that way I have you know I have some mental issues Tourette's neurological issue I should say but in general most people have a filter where they don't cuss too much they don't use the f-word too much you know they once in a while maybe but I believe that barrier has been broken and it happened it's certainly license was given to

2:18:12 to everyone after De Niro said, fuck Trump. Well, can I also mention something? Sure. I think that the excessive cussing you hear on podcasting is a form, not necessarily the pure form, but a form of virtue signaling. Mm-hmm. Yeah, hey, look at me. I can cuss, cuss, cuss, cuss, cuss because I'm free. Because I'm a podcaster. I'm free of the restraints. I'm a podcaster. Yes. Yes, that's part of it. But even Howard Stern had this when he first went on Sirius XM coming from public airwaves and everyone was F this F that and then they kind of had to reset themselves because there was too much freedom and the show was really sucking. It wasn't funny and he figured that out very quickly.

2:19:01 There has a threshold amongst angry Americans, I'll just call them angry, I don't know if they're left or right, but has been surpassed and the F word is being used everywhere. I'm going to give this one example in this clip. This was right at the beginning of the show with the girl, I forget her name, and we'll just have a listen. Normally I wouldn't associate the word strategy with Donald Trump, but he's been using this line quite a bit and other Republican candidates have been talking about, you know, George Soros funded left-wing mobs for the last couple weeks. What do you think the Republican goal is here? Well, first of all, I think the fact that this is something they're bringing up this close to the election is a reflection of the fact that they're scared as fuck. And the reason... And the reason that I think they're very scared as fuck

2:19:53 if you will, as the old saying goes, is that people who are being fucked over are realizing that they're being fucked over and they're not going to fucking take it anymore. Those people who are being fucked over in a lot of cases are women, people of color, immigrants, people who are marginalized. And I don't think it's any mistake. Isn't the definition of being marginalized getting fucked over? I mean, you could actually have just replaced fucked over with marginalized throughout your little speech. Immigrants, people who are marginalized. And I don't think it's any mistake that Republican messaging, which originates from Donald Trump at this point, uses words that

2:20:39 Those people would also use to insult women and people of color like women are used to being told that they're unhinged They're hysterical. They're crazy and I think that the president and people that are in his circle using those words as a reflection of their kind of inherent sexism and Yes, you say unhinged you're sexist and racist and Even though that's not a word that originated with the Republican side of the debate. So I'm not going to play the second clip because I want to move to something else, but they have this game called OK Stop, which is pretty much what our show is, except the way they do it. Well, I'll show you how they do it. Now it's time for a game we call OK Stop.

2:21:24 Here's how it works. You roll a clip and the panel can say, okay, stop at any point to comment. While some cities on Florida's panhandle are still reeling after Hurricane Michael, Trump took time from his busy schedule of holding rallies to finally do the right thing. Have lunch with Kanye West. The good folks at CNN had a lot to say about it. I have to tell you ahead. So then what they do is they basically play the clip with anyone on the panel can say, okay, stop. And it's really bad. It's like five minutes of bad. They don't even get to Don Lemon even really saying anything outrageous. It's just stupid. It's just really, really low rent, low quality, not well thought out and hateful. Except for the cursing. You take the cursing out and they've adjusted themselves.

2:22:13 It sounds like a really very mediocre PBS show that you hear on Saturdays, kind of like Wait, Wait, Don't Stop Me. Yes. Wait, Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, whatever it's called. Yeah. And there's another one there's two or three of these shows on PBS that were like that and they're all kind of their glib Yeah, glib. They're condescending. They're patronizing and they said there's very know-it-all kind of left-wing ish that concludes our very I find them boorish Yes that concludes our review of pod save America on HBO now Bill Maher This was one of the best shows I have seen

2:22:51 I have a number of clips. It was really truly outstanding every type of personality was represented, but it started off With Omarosa who of course is promoting her book. Ah she lives. She does live and she had a lot to say and Before I before I mentioned that I was so I watched the whole show Bill Maher I think is has something going on. He may not be well and He has kind of like that big Al Sharpton head on an oversized suit that you can tell is ill-fitting, because he's really skinny underneath and his hands are really big. But the rest of his body is less in proportion than usual, and I'm a little concerned. He might be sick. Well, it could be this fit. It could be this suit itself that's making him look... Well, then he really needs to work on that, because it just makes him look sick. You know, the pencil neck kind of thing. So I'm a little worried.

2:23:46 He brings on a diet. Well, he can slow down now. So he brings on Omarosa and I only pulled two clips. The one that I... I picked this one for... Was she on the panel? No, no, she was the main guest. She was the special guest. And she was really like Miss Thang coming out. I'm sure it's racist of me to say but... And so Bill Maher had a lot of questions and he... And of course what he wanted is, hey, what is Trump really like? And you'll hear in here, she says something, she refers back to Bill Maher getting fired after 9-11. I just want to reiterate for our international producers, two weeks after 9-11 Bill Maher had a show, I think it was, was it on Fox stations even? No, no, I believe it was on ABC. I believe it was on ABC and it was called Politically Incorrect and it's pretty much the same show he's doing now. Yes, and it was a great show to watch, it was ahead of its time.

2:24:45 But then he said I thought it was good and then never liked it Okay, I thought it was good and and two weeks after 9-11 there was a discussion and everyone was talking about these cowards these cowards these cowards who killed all these people these cowards and he said I'm paraphrasing They weren't cowards. They flew themselves into buildings. So you can't call him a coward and he was off the air No, no, no, it's worse than that. Oh just to add to your paraphrase. I don't have it either but it went more like this and Coward, coward, coward, just what you said. And he says, I think people that fire missiles from ships off into the air, they're the cowards. Oh, you're right. You're right. We're the cowards. We, the American military, are the cowards. Yeah. It was worse than I thought. Yeah, you're right. So he got yanked. The show was gone. And he didn't surface for years. I have no idea what happened to him until he kind of came back on HBO and didn't track him. So she makes reference to this.

2:25:42 and I in a way appropriately take him off oh yeah oh yeah of course of course have a listen we're gonna find out what Trump is really like I'm just saying just because somebody's nice to you I mean you certainly must have known he was a giant liar I don't think his personality changed we know it didn't change when he got to the White House so you must have seen the racism and the hatred and the lying before. You know it's easy to say that hindsight is 20-20. I mean 15 years ago I didn't know that Donald Trump was going to be as insane and unhinged as he is. So it's worse than when you knew him on the apprentice? Oh, greatly. I mean even just his vocabulary. He has like six words that he says now. Huge, very soon, great. I mean back in the boardroom... Strongly. Strongly. Back in the boardroom... Not a word but okay.

2:26:31 So, okay, so... So back in the day, how many did he know he knew a lot more than just he's like Coco the gorilla he knew 500 But you know I'm not out to get you I never didn't like you you're fine But I what I the one thing I didn't like is when after you guys got elected and you said that thing about Everyone's now gonna have to bow down to Donald Trump. That's not what the way we're talking You of all people know about saying that like that one dumb thing that everybody just It was this, this... I mean, you know, you're not the first guest to try that exact joke. No, I'm not trying... I could actually argue the merits of it, but we'll move on. No, no, no. He's still not over it. I could argue the merits of it, but we'll just move on, you stupid woman. Well, you know, I think what really bugged him was that he knuckled under. The opinion was valid. He can say what he wants. Oh, right.

2:27:32 But he didn't he cow told him so sorry I mean it was almost like a Kathie Lee Griffin after she held that the head the fake head of Trump all bloody you mean Kathy? After we're trying to get her life back, and then she regretted doing it. It's not Kathie Lee Griffin Kathie Lee Griffin I'm like, wow, what? I had a weird picture. All right. But yes, you're right. He's the wrong Kathy Lee. He's pissed off that he did that. He bowed down to every there it is the bow down to Trump and he had to bow down to everybody else. He's double pissed off about it. Okay. I could actually argue the merits of it, but we'll move on. No, no, no. But it was stupid. It was dumb. And it was something that I said in the height

2:28:18 of campaign hyperbole. Certainly I don't believe that everybody's going to bow down, but at the time I had an audience of one. When you work for Trump, you're not trying to entertain the audience, you're trying to entertain him. Okay, that's the honest answer. The audience of one is what so much of this country is off track about. All of Fox News is for an audience of one. Audience of one, that's right. Have you seen the Fox News ratings? An audience of one. This is delusional thinking that Fox News is there only for Donald Trump. Yes, and they don't even do a very good job of catering to him as far as I'm concerned. No. But now comes some really good insight

2:29:03 What are Jared and Ivanka like? And this is extremely interesting, but I think what Omarosa implies here and what she says is is very very disgusting. Okay, alright what about Ivanka and Jared? We call them White House Ken and White House Barbie. Everybody does it. White House Ken and Barbie. Are they smart? She's making a face like, I guess not.

2:29:44 I mean, Jared is the one that is the most inscrutable to me. I can't get because he doesn't speak. He's the one I would be most curious to have dinner with because he might be smart, no? I mean, his political career started when Donald Trump decided to announce. Oh, I know that. Right. And so he's that guy in the room that thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, who has absolutely no idea what's going on. No, we know he's not knowledgeable about the field. But you asked, is he smart? And he didn't even know basic political jargon.

2:30:19 When you try to correct him, he gives you that kind of posture like, are you a woman of color really trying to tell me something? And so the sad thing about it, about Jared, is that he doesn't know how stupid he sounds when he's talking in those things. See, I'm learning. That's very interesting. And Ivanka, is Trump really hot for her? Is that a thing? You know, he said it himself. I'm just going to say he said it himself. He wanted to sleep with his daughter. It's pretty disgusting. It's pretty disgusting on a daily basis? He would pat her on the behind. He would kiss her on the lips. He would rub her for very long periods of time. Play that game. Did she say he wanted to sleep with his daughter? Yeah.

2:31:05 Of course he didn't. That's what she said. I know, of course he didn't. He said... He said, yeah, if I wasn't his father, I'd date her if I was younger or something like that. It was about dating her. Yes. But he never said he wanted to sleep with her. She just throws that out and is so fine with everybody and everyone's like, oh yeah, yeah, that's what he said, uh-huh. Yeah, I guess so. Wow. Right? I mean, it was... Keep talking. Awkward. It's like one of those old 976 numbers, right? In front of people? Yeah, absolutely. And what was... what did she do? Excuse me, I need a little drink.

2:31:52 What was her reaction to that? She just loved it. She loved being daddy's little girl. She loved being daddy's little girl. And she would always say, my daddy, and then she would correct herself, my father thinks that, and I'm like, where'd this accent come from? I met her when she was 15 years old, she wasn't talking that way. She had a very potty mouth. Maybe she cleaned it up for the White House, but. Okay, well, I thank you for putting up with my questions. I think that's going pretty far. Really implying that there's incest going on between the president and his daughter. Yeah, it's on the list. Yes, of course. It's on the list. But she's brave enough to go and do it. It's on the list. It's gotta be done.

2:32:34 So I'm gonna stay with politically incorrect because he had three guests on which the most interesting was this Muslim guy named, and it's relevant in this story, Brown is Muslim, Rehan Salam, he's the editor of the National Review. Does that make him a right winger? I don't know what the National Review is. Well, this is the guy that I've pointed out before that has replaced Brooks. on the Brooks and Shield Friday news rundown. Well, I like this guy. And he is much better than Brooks. He's not quite as forward as he could be. He could be a little meaner. Now, Brooks is supposed to be the- He's kind of a nice guy. Brooks is the right wing of the Brooks and Dunn? Supposedly the right wing, but he hates Trump and he doesn't like to moderate Republicans and he's kind of an old-fashioned moderate type, but I think he's a Democrat. And I think he said he was a Democrat once and we caught him on it.

2:33:28 with a clip. But beside the point, when this guy, this Saleem guy comes on. He is far superior to Brooks and far superior to Shields. He should be a regular doing that bit with somebody else besides Brooks. I mean, besides Brooks and besides Shields. They need two new guys. Well, I have one clip and it'll be the final one of this triage where this guy is just he's really smart, really good and just slams people without them even realizing is fantastic. So also on the panel was, what is her name? I'd just seen her on Book TV. Okay, I'm so sorry. I don't remember what her name was. But she's a very angry woman. The book is about angry women. That's part of the title is, you know, the validity of America's angry women.

2:34:22 Sorry, I wish I had her name written down. I don't know what happened. Also though is Eddie Glob Jr. He is professor at Princeton University. And he's black, so we have the white woman who wrote the book about women being angry. We have the Muslim who is the right winger in this case. And we have, you would think, the impartial professor, the Princeton professor, who was black. So this is your panel. Wait, do we know this guy's actually a Muslim? Because it was never made clear on. Yes, yes, it was made clear on this show. Okay, good. Yeah, in the introduction, and he talks about some Muslim stuff as well.

2:34:59 So we start off, and this is what really caught my eye. We had the situation, I think you brought it up on the last show, about Scott Kelly, astronaut, who had tweeted, well you tell it, it was your story. He said he just used a Winston Churchill quote and was slammed by the Twitterverse and a bunch of lefties going on and on about how Churchill was a horrible racist pig. And then they went on and the guy knuckled under, okay, I'm sorry, Churchill's a bad person. And this is part of the whole tearing down the statues and anyone who's white is a creep. So Bill Maher, who,

2:35:37 It's always been against political correctness, as we just said. His first show was called Politically Incorrect. And he brought this story up. I cut out all the part of him explaining it. And he was like, what the hell is this? This is an astronaut. What is this political correctness about? And he had the right panel to explain it. This is the guy who saved us from the Nazis. And you know, he was a fighter pilot. Married to Gabby Gifford who was shot and bravely continues on and somebody and people on Twitter and no one denounces this and he has to make an Apollo This is when the Trump people go. Yes, you people are too fragile This is the black professor and chiming in will be Rebecca Traster she is the the white woman the author was the case and

2:36:26 that he realized that the invocation of Winston Churchill wasn't consistent with what he valued. that he didn't know everything about Churchill. And then he realized that Churchill in 1943 sanctioned the starving of Indians in Bengal. He realized, in fact, that Churchill was, in fact, a vehemently committed racist to the imperial project. He realized that Churchill did not represent his... So what I mean by this, I want to say this really quickly. For those who have been caught under the foot of history, You just can't simply invoke the mandate of history as a reason to accept certain figures. Hold up, hold up. Of course. You can't just simply mandate.

2:37:09 Yeah, just just listen to him because he's explaining not only explaining why Churchill was a bad guy He's explaining what political correctness actually is the act of politically correcting people. This is this is very important Lincoln comes to me I can I can embrace Abraham Lincoln, right? Right, I can embrace his view of democracy, but then I realized that Lincoln held a view that white people mattered more than black people Yes, now once I understand Lincoln fully I can then embrace him on my own terms But I cannot accept Lincoln just because the West declares him as great. I have to accept

2:37:49 But every time I bring up Lincoln, do I have to apologize first? No, that's not what he's saying in that moment. Well, I think it is. Yeah, and in part, what we write off as political correctness is correcting a record that has been too simple, that we haven't been taught the complexities, that the power that we so often are taught to celebrate or admire purely is built on inequity and bias that is not often revealed to us. And it's a matter of correction. is that when we focus on these things like the Twitter controversy around hailing Winston Churchill, we are taking part in representing this as left activism, that this is the left wing when in fact there are strikes going on. There are strikes for higher wages, strikes against sexual harassment by McDonald's. But we focus on the flare-ups on Twitter and not on the record numbers of women and people of color running for office for the first time as a Democratic party.

2:38:43 All right, so she's just a little, I'll just say it, hysterical. But she makes the point. Now I understand. The black man, I'm just gonna call it the way I literally saw it with my own eyes, the black man professor says you can't embrace people unless you know everything about them, then you can embrace them when you know the good and the bad, which I think is every person has good and bad. And then she says that's right, you have to correct everybody. Political correctness is correcting everybody on the record. So you make sure you're balanced. I think he also used the word he or she was worth hailing Churchill. All he did was quote Churchill with a two liner that had something to do with what he was up to. It had nothing. It wasn't hailing Churchill. He was just throwing up. He put the random quote in there and didn't put Churchill's name on it.

2:39:37 As someone once said, quote unquote, would this have happened? What is this? This is really very targeted if you ask me. This is extremely fishy. No, it's what political correctness is. Even a quote is no longer valid unless you virtue signal by saying something like, He may not have been the best man, but he said this. See, then it would have been okay. Because you have to constantly, in political correct America, both sides, and this comes up in a minute, you have to correct the record. This has to be correct. Now, this takes place. Now, Rehan... What?

2:40:17 I was just thinking to myself, what needs to be corrected? Oh, everything. Who cares about Churchill's history in the 1930s? He said this poignant quote, and this guy just quoted him. I'm not arguing that. I'm saying this is what it is. This is what's happening. I understand that, but I'm just so baffled by it. You're baffled by it. I understand. I'm being so extremely upset about all these little things. This is ant-fucking. Yes, and it gets better. So now, This is just a quickie. This is the first time Rahan Salam jumps in and he says he's trying to explain something like, hold on a second, this is not good. Everyone in America feels like they're losing right now. Democrats feel like they're losing. Republicans feel like they're losing. Democrats feel like they're locked out of power. Republicans feel like they've lost the culture. And it really is true. Maybe you don't agree with that perception, but there are people who really feel as though their values are being effaced.

2:41:10 I think he's got something, he's gotten to something there. The culture, the loss of culture, yes, I think that's exactly what the Republicans are feeling. They feel a loss of culture because the culture in America, which is television and movies mainly, is

2:41:52 Very left-leaning so they feel there's a loss of culture and Democrats feel they've been locked out of power So he's making a good point. This is not Bill Maher doesn't like this guy at all by the way He's just there to provide some semblance now. He won't be back then. I think he will this is the final the final clip we're gonna go back to the political correctness with Professor Eddie Glaube and Now you heard him in that first clip. He actually said, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, no, don't interrupt me. He said that to a Muslim guy, brown Muslim guy, just call him, it's easier, black professor guy, white angry woman, brown Muslim guy. And he is going to now really tell you what his feeling is and he speaks in this case, I guess on behalf of black America, which this, and he gets slammed

2:42:46 by, so Rehan Salaam gets slammed by the black professor, you'll hear it. The guy comes back at the end, our brown Muslim friend, and he puts them down and speaks so powerfully about the cult in America, the political cult, I thought it was just one of the best things I've ever seen. I just find this really odd. And I find it odd for a couple of reasons. One, I think we take the exaggerated example to dismiss the principle. So at the heart of political correctness is this reality that this country is no longer a white nation in the vein of old Europe. And so that means white men, white straight men can't walk around saying whatever the hell is on their minds. Yeah! I made it! I made it! White straight men, old straight white men can't speak their minds in this country.

2:43:44 Yeah, tell it to the podcast. Yeah, so that means white men, white straight men can't walk around saying whatever the hell is on their minds. That's right. That's right. Shut up, white man. Shut up. And I'm not trying to make this, I'm not trying to, you mean about Scott Kelly can't say, no, no, part of what, Churchill without apology. No, I take Scott Kelly. I take him to say that I don't, I didn't know everything about Winston Churchill and Winston Churchill probably doesn't represent what I value. So part of what I'm trying to get at is this. Right? The country is changing. Dramatic demographic shifts are happening. People are insecure because the culture is shifting and one of the things that's shifting is that certain folk can't go around saying what they think they can say without being held to account. One thing I think is really important besides that people who are white men can't go around saying whatever they want without being held to account.

2:44:35 That is what political correctness is. You can't just say something, if you're anything, if you're white, then you will be held to account and you will be read the record as it is proper. I think it's really important besides that people who are most vulnerable to this are people of color who hold dissenting opinions in their communities. These are people who really feel silenced and they are people who do not. That's an interesting move. Look, it's actually also deeply true. There are lots of folks who feel totally invisible because the college educated upper for

2:45:24 Let's have more freedom. Let's have more secularism. These are folks who oftentimes feel silenced and afraid. You see this in many other groups too. I'm not saying that the people of these dissenting opinions are right. Many times they might be totally wrong. What I'm saying is that they exist and they are invisible in these spaces and this drive for status and prestige, I keep saying that, but that drive silences a lot of folks. Pursuant to this conversation because if you criticize Islam at all the politically correct police will say you're a bigot including how you criticize Islam well, of course, but The nuance it all depends on how you render your critique

2:46:02 Great. That was a nice move in the sense that... See, the professor's like, okay, that was funny. Incredibly patronizing. Oh, he is patronizing this guy into the ground and then the brown Muslim comes back and just whips him with it. Part of what happens in this context... It was pretty sincere, Eddie. I know it was sincere. By the way, when he's doing that, he's holding, he's patting his hand. That was a very nice move. It was so patronizing. It was really, really awkward. The nuance, it all depends on how you render your critique. Great. That was a nice move in the sense that part of what happens in this context... It was pretty sincere, Eddie. I know it was sincere, but part of what happens is the way in which a certain kind of victim discourse can then be appropriated so that you could... because I think Republicans have mastered this pincer move

2:46:52 On the one hand, they revel in the spoils of victory, exercising Machiavellian power. And then when they get called out for doing what they do, they clutch their pearls and then claim to be victims. Which is what's happened to Kavanaugh. That is exactly the dynamic that I described around Kavanaugh. We have been attacked and they're using it as leverage to suggest that they are the victimized. Okay, Bill, I just want to say there are two kinds of spirals we have right now. You have rage spirals and you have self-satisfaction spirals. And the self-satisfaction spirals are really powerful and addictive. You are a space where you're affirmed, people cheer for you when you say certain things, and it's amazing and it's addictive, and it's why Republicans and Democrats both lose. Because you have Republicans who find themselves

2:47:44 solely in their affirming space and you have lots of liberals who are in the exact same space. That's what I think of as political correctness, whether of the right or the left. It's a self-satisfaction spiral. There you go. Bern. Well, the guy definitely was that guy, that black guy was... Dick! Well, you know, the funny thing is he was a total dick and considered himself a great debater. Yes. Because he could do pull some of these tricks which are just low. When I was going to Cal and I was a student, you know, a hundred years ago, this is the same stuff then. It was the same stuff. This is nothing even close to being new. Interesting. It's the same kind of this, this kind of condescending,

2:48:32 And it was the same kind of guy. They're very insecure. They're not very academic in reality. This is all taken from a bunch of, you know, this is polemics from a bunch of radicals that The bill I airs and these types of people that have this down to a science and it's just passed off the fact that it's even taking place at the university level to this day with no dissents and you get the one guy over there trying to you know defend himself even though he really I didn't think it was as effective as you apparently do maybe it maybe just looks better when you see the whole thing on video it's possible

2:49:10 It was, you know, it wasn't a butt slam. But that guy, that black guy was just the worst of worst case scenario. And that woman, she was just useless. She's very angry. Well, it's what she wrote a book on. Yes, and she was... She was... You're gonna get sick. You can't be angry like that. She was shaking. No, she was shaking, John. She was shaking. She was shaking. Yeah, she was shaking. That's how mad she was. She is not going to. She's not gonna survive. And I'd just seen her on Book TV and I was like, wow, this is interesting. Because, you know, we had the Austin Book Fair coming. If she comes, I want to go see her speak. She's angry.

2:49:50 Yeah, well there's a lot of angry women that are... Oh, I was so misogynist. ...that probably heard about Hillary. So misogynist. Well, it is a little... No, it's not. It's very realistic. She's but heard about Hillary and she's irked about it and she doesn't see any reason why this all happened. She's like the woman in green on her knees screaming at the top of her lungs about Trump winning. Right, that's pretty much it. All right, do you have any last thoughts? I've got this weird presentation about Stacey Abrams. I got Kavanaugh misconduct reports.

2:50:28 Oh, we got Judy and Mark and Shields and Brooks. This might be worth listening to because we do have this, we're getting closer to the midterms, so we might want to hear what Brooks and Shields on PBS have to say about the election. And it's kind of interesting if we start off with Judy and Mark analysis of the midterms. So the president, it seems, out on the campaign every single day jetting out to whether it's Tennessee or Pennsylvania or another part of the country today, Mark. He's in Ohio trying to energize the Republican vote, the base, trying to get them out. Is it working, do you think?

2:51:15 Republicans feel it's working better than it did two or three weeks ago, Judy. But I think what is remarkable about it is how constant it is. You said about energizing the base. It's about inflaming people. Donald Trump's message is never about forging a coalition, reaching across the divide, trying to enlist a majority. It's always about coming back to it's us against them. And we may not be perfect, but boy, those other guys are really bad. And and I think that's that's the message. It's going to be a referendum, as it is every midterm on the president.

2:51:53 And his numbers right now are just about the same point where Barack Obama's were in 2010 when the Democrats suffered enormous defeat, Bill Clinton's in 94 when the Democrats suffered a big defeat, and 2006 George Bush's when the Republicans lost control of the Congress. So they're sticking to this idea that there's gonna be a big red wave or blue wave. But I don't think he goes out to inflame anybody. You've heard his speeches, you've been there. Well, I mean... It's a comedy act, isn't it? Yes, but that's not presidential. So he's inflaming people. I don't believe this is true. I think he's wrong. So if you go to... Well, okay, let me just say, the way...

2:52:37 Okay, so the view of Trump inflaming his audience and them being an angry mob, which is of course what the Republicans accuse the Democrats of, is based on Trump saying, Diane Feinstein and the crowd yelling, chanting, lock her up. Lock her up. So they see that as inflammation and they see that as a mob, and I think both are correct in that case. If you're going to interpret it from a white perspective. Now here's where what Brooks comes back with. But you do have the president David out talking about Democrats are part of an angry mob, calling them evil. I mean using that some of the strongest language he's used. Is that likely to get his base even more fired up? Yep. Yeah, I think it's working. You know, we were in an age of negative polarization and that means you don't have to like your own party just have to hate the other one.

2:53:29 We're in age of negative polarization? What does that even mean? It doesn't really mean anything. This is the dawning of the age of negative polarization. Polarization. And it means you don't have to like your own party, you just have to hate the other one. And that means it's all about contempt. And has the other side made you appalled? Have they made you feel contemptuous? And one thing the Kavanaugh hearing has done is it made both sides feel the other is appalling. And so that has fired up both bases and the effect is, and it's always worth reminding ourselves that we no longer have one election anymore. We have a red state election and a blue state election and they're increasingly disconnected.

2:54:12 And so the odds are looking pretty good. The polls have been shifting in a Republican way on the Senate side and all those red states, Texas, Montana, those places. The Senate is looking more secure as of this moment. The House is looking more endangered for the Republicans at this moment as suburban women move over to the Democratic side. So we have two different elections and there seems to be pretty strong momentum in opposite directions. I'm not going to argue that. No. I think the Demo... if the Democrats get the House, that puts Pelosi back in power. I think we don't know crap. We don't know anything. But we can make some educated guesses. No. And we do know one thing for sure. It's a lot funnier when Pelosi's running things on the Democrat side.

2:55:01 And it'll be a lot funnier when the if the Democrats get the house back personally I don't think they will but let's play the last of this and I'm done with how are Democrats countering this I mean this approach by the president mark I mean there there's this a couple of polls including the one we did with Marist and NPR this week that came out and showed yes the enthusiasm gap is has narrowed. It was the Democrats who were more energized and indeed Republicans seem to be more energized. What, how do Democrats come back? Well, the first thing they had to do is stop picketing and stop boycotting and organize. I mean, the most Democratic group

2:55:39 the entire electorate of voters age 18 to 35 and they live everywhere. They aren't concentrated in certain districts. Noodle boy! Perhaps African-Americans or Latinos are. They're everywhere and that if they vote the Democrats will win big. I will say this I think the most encouraging sign for the Democrats is the Democrats do have a national macro message in this campaign. It's about checks and balances on the president. It's not a new message, but it's a message that certainly resonates with an awful lot of voters. Yeah, checks and balances, yes. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't resonate at all.

2:56:19 By the way, before we end, I do want to say something. You've made a mention on the show about the crappy house building in Florida. Yes. And so I was thinking about, and I got a couple of notes and said there apparently have been new housing regulations about building in some of the newer places. And if you look at Mexico Beach, Mexican Beach, whatever it's called. Mexico Beach. Mexico Beach. There you can see the old houses are demolished and there's a house right in the middle, a big, giant, beautiful place. Roofs intact and there's blocks of houses missing and there's blocks of houses all intact, roofs intact, defined. So they are making improvements in the building code.

2:57:00 Oh yeah, they have to for insurance purposes. Everybody has to be up to code. I know this because Tina lived in Florida for 16 years, so she's been through storms and she has standing on the subject. But I just look at it, you know, you said, yeah, you said the metal frame. It's just like, yeah, the metal frame of the house was left that kept up the sheetrock. I mean, we build crappy houses in America. It's okay. It's just what it is. You know, we build houses like we build our cars. There you go. Well, I'm just saying there's a lot of houses that we're standing that were obviously built well. Yes. So we've built good houses too, we just don't build nothing but crappy houses. Well, okay, you're right. You just gotta have enough dough. Well...

2:57:45 Yeah, if you want to build a lean-to which is what they're encouraging in California shanty by just tearing down shanties. Yeah You want to build a shantytown made out of aluminum foil and tin and leftover fiberglass pieces and tents Yeah, I think those things are subject to wood destruction and that is our deconstruction for today. Please support our work and support all producers around Gitmo Nation by going to Dvorak.org slash NA and supporting us. And subscribe to the newsletter, please. It helps you remember what we're doing, and it's an outstanding product.

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