Heckler's Veto

00:00 Leave me alone! Adam Curry, John C. DeVore And Sunday August 5th 2018 this is your award-winning GiveOnation Media Assassination episode 1057 This is no agenda Practicing the art of counter trolling and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in downtown Austin Tejas In The Cluedio IN THE MORNING EVERYBODY I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where I am sitting here pondering The opposite of binge. I'm John C DeVore. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Uh... cringe? Binge, no. Cringe wouldn't be the answer. No, I just-I liked it rhyming. Uh...binge is uh... I don't know what is the opposite There is not no oppositive binge Come on Purge! Binge and purge. Purge is not the opposite of binge Okay

00:59 I mean purge is a result of binge. Savor? That wouldn't be the opposite. I don't know what that would be, that's a big question. But more importantly... More importantly why do you contemplate this? Because now just decided that i hate the word binge. The reason is because I get this thing on the thrill list of spam drifts. Oh! I unsubscribed from the thrill list long ago. The thrill list says here it says this is the TV show you should binge on tonight. I don't want to binge on a tv show I don't want to binge on anything. It's not a healthy thing to do and why does it become in the popular lexicon? Oh Binge he binged on TV He binged it seems to me that going to the movie theater and sitting there spending 25 bucks is sitting there for two hours That is binge enough. I saw Mission Impossible being done that of the theatre oh, that must have been great And I'm in IMAX yeah, it was good

01:57 It was quite good. I don't know, the franchise is still kind of alive you know it's just as predictable as James Bond but yeah it was okay with new... Was better than the last one which really wasn't horrible But with a new hearing aids in the IMAX oh my god that was so like except at one point people behind me open up a bag of chips or they're like It kind of picked up on the rear-facing microphones. Get behind curry and eat popcorn! The minute he reaches for his ear to adjust the volume, you know you've succeeded. Exactly. So was there any political messaging or anything? No, no, no.

02:47 I had just a lot of unbelievable, totally incredible illogical helicopter flying but okay. I'll take it! Yeah so the pilot got shot and he slumped over and we'll just drag him out and then jump in the seat and everything's fine steady as she goes Tom sure yeah or will survive the spiraling crash It doesn't matter. It was fun, I liked it, it was pretty good Yeah, looking forward to maybe seeing it eventually But no binging! No binging on it BINGE! BINGE! That's an ugly word by the way That's an ugly word don't you think? Binge binge

03:30 It's terrible. It doesn't bother me that much. You should be bothered by it, I don't know...I don't understand you. You're a very tolerant person apparently. Yes. Unlike Sarah Young of the New York Times We might as well handle her right away, the top of the show since everybody is talking about this. You wrote about it in the newsletter? I did! I put kind of a breakdown of it... She's just you know..I don't know how she got so far as she did so quickly. Uhh....I do! Yeah, that's not a hard well remember. She's in technology journalism It which by the way you know everyone's been passing around this one clip what you think Jane Jimmy Woods tweeted see when you know him you say Jimmy and say Jimmy Jimmy the Jimmy Woods tweeted around

04:25 from her speech and this... I see that one of the two partners, you're referring to me. Yeah. Likes James retweeted a James Woods tweet Is this some horrible thing? You're Bane! You're shunned! Shame! Shame! That's what it is It's shameful to retweet him if they could see you even looking at his tweets And meanwhile you call him Jimmy Yeah cause he's Jimmy

05:10 Well, okay. Let me – so there's one speech that is fully available from her and she's a lawyer. She went to Harvard Law School or HLS as we say. And she did this speech at Harvard Law School and the only truly egregious thing that could be pulled from that full hour speech is the one that Jimmy tweeted. Here it is. Everything is implicitly organized around how men see the world, and not just men—how white men see the world! This is a problem. This is why so many things suck

05:48 Now, so you ask actually a really good question. It's like how did she get that job? Why is she a tech journalist at The Verge and now on the New York Times editorial board? Well first of all she is doing tech journalism exactly the way it should be done Which is subjective, you know. It's just the internet is Google, email is Gmail The only place to voice your opinion is social networks and it's unfair And she is a shitty speaker Really? I mean you hear this there are tech journalists Film girl is better than this Telling ya

06:25 There's a blast from the past. Wow, yeah so but I did learn a few things it mainly I just got into her head and you know this is a part that i think we'll catch later on this is a part of kind of like It started with the statues, you know. It's the colonial ancestors who we today as white men have to suffer for because our colonial ancestors were horrible, horrible white men! Slave owners... they mistreated women and whatever they did was horrible! They ruined everything it all sucks because of the white man

07:03 And and that's part of what she is trying to communicate Is that and you know she comes from kind of a Gamergate background? And I'm going to play a clip which we can stop at any time because he's one of these speakers, and you'll notice it almost right away Who never really makes a good point or a punchline. It's just like well so that's that's why that's that way yeah She can't, she's a horrible presenter. It is absolutely no good and I don't know about her writing but nothing groundbreaking as far as i can tell But I learned something about what was it called? It's called the... Something about the First Amendment The hecklers veto Have you ever heard of the hecklers veto

07:49 No, no. Well this apparently is she remember she's a lawyer This is something in First Amendment law So I'm gonna play this and we'll just let it go until we either stop or sick of her And this wasn't new but suddenly there was more and more attention to it. And I think that has in large part it's because of Twitter. It's because Twitter is open and it's because we can see it happen in real time ourselves, that it's no longer a subjective experience, it is open objective and available to the public for everyone to see and it's horrifying! And the discourse started out as this is free speech versus women and this was pretty upsetting to me I was

08:29 You know, coming from a place where I believed in a free and open internet. Um...I did not think that- By the way her idea of a free and open internet it has nothing to do with the way you or i might think of it as The Internet is a network And you can run any type of application on top of it No she means FREE! As in really FREE just give me everything for free and OPEN which means as long as Google runs it That's her thinking if you watch your whole hour. Many of the proposed regulations coming out of these episodes were good I didn't like the idea people getting upset about tweets even though, I looked at the tweets and they were very upsetting to me And as Charlie mentioned... She is upset by looking at the tweets Yeah yeah oh yeah! And she's rambling already There was something she said just a second ago

09:26 was kind of semi-contradictory or didn't make any sense. But go on, please. We can stop a lot if you're looking for contradiction. I'll be stopping a lot if you're going to let me do that. Yeah sure! Of course, of course... I was here working with Charlie on the Internet and Society class. law and gender. I was very involved in feminist issues, activism... And I felt like I was being told that my position was inconsistent because it's free speech versus women pick one side

10:02 No one wants to be on the side that's well I guess so what she's saying here is that with free speech and anybody can say anything Turns out the way she experienced it the internet whatever She thinks that is is. It was very hateful towards women That that's that's a neutral network knows the Internet is hateful lose So, the more I thought about it though there's a thing in First Amendment jurisprudence known as the heckler's veto actually. And the heckler's veto is sort of this problem where if you yell at someone enough it causes

10:50 An issue where, oh okay I guess it's now legal to shut down the speech because people are- it's just upsetting everyone way too much. It's like causing um...it's fighting words now because it's causing people to fight against it or um..now that its causing all of this violence erupt then Alright so she is a Harvard Law student graduate She's very nervous And she cannot explain Heckler's veto for some reason Yes, you had a comment. She's very nervous and she sounds like she doesn't know what she is talking about. She is rambling, can't seem to focus... I didn't realize when I was reading some of her other tweets the ones that are still available most have been taken down. She makes these kind of poetic points if you look at her language as poetry

11:42 And now that I think about it, I was completely mistaken in that regard. I didn't mention this in the newsletter but I was looking at some of these things because she'll throw a weird word and thinking well that's interesting...I guess there is some sort of poetic... No! It wasn't! She just doesn't know what she said. Exactly! Allow me to read the Hekla's Veto from Wikipedia In the free speech context, a heckler's veto is either of two situations in which a person who disagrees with the speaker's message is able to unilaterally trigger events that result in the speaker being silenced. In the strict legal sense, a heckler's veto occurs when the speakers right is curtailed or restricted by the government in order to prevent a reacting party's behavior

12:27 So, an example I think in that case would be you can't come and speak at Berkeley because people go nuts. The common example is the termination of a speech or demonstration in the interest of maintaining the public peace based on the anticipated negative reaction if someone opposed to that speech or demonstration. In common parlance, the term is used to describe situations where hecklers or demonstrators silence a speaker without intervention of the law." In case law, the heckler's veto is mixed. Most findings say the acting party's actions cannot be preemptively stopped due to fear of heckling so you can't do it before

13:06 But in the immediate face of violence, authorities can force the acting party to cease their action in order to satisfy the hecklers. The best-known case involving the heckler's veto is Finer v New York handed down by the Supreme Court in 1951 Chief Justice Vinson writing for the majority held that police officers acted within their power in arresting a speaker if the arrest was quote motivated solely by proper concern for the preservation of order and protection of general welfare So in a way, I think what she's saying is we need regulation. That's gonna work but okay let's continue because people are it's just upsetting everyone way too much it's like causing and I'll give her that I learned something had no idea what the heck was veto wasn't never heard of it before you didn't learn anything from her to trick you You're right that's why I had to go look it up because I learned nothing from her

14:00 It's fighting words now because it's causing people to fight against it or... Notice how she equates people twittering back and forth as fighting. Now that it's causing all of this violence to erupt, then we're going to have to shut all the stuff down. And that's how I viewed harassment. Harassment was a heckler's veto. It wasn't the case that harassment was the speech that was under threat It was the speech of women that was under threat. Because women were the ones who were being told to leave these social platforms, who were leaving these platforms... ...who are ceasing to speak, who were being silenced. And clearly have no—are just weak! I don't understand the problem it's text. It's anonymous. When we're talking about free speech for women, um, I mean, We're just talking about free speech

14:57 Obviously this is all well and good, and you may say that this is little more than a cute rhetorical trick to justify the suppression of speech. And I assure you that it is not. I have learned many cute rhetorical tricks from this institution, where many of the masters of cute rhetorical tricks reside but there's actually more to this and i am going to explain It goes back to the history of the internet and some largely today overlooked facts about internet infrastructure This is what I call The Theory Of Garbage

15:33 Ah, now she wrote this is the book or the blog post. Is it a book? It's an actual book? I think so but it's called The Internet of Garbage or something like that Yeah So I'll let her get into this a little bit The theory of garbage is very simple Simple The internet is mostly garbage Okay and we're done Just bear in mind in this context At least you got an ISO out of it Oh I do need to cut that Yes cut it out please And use it The internet is mostly garbage. If she can make statements like this, then she clearly knows how big the Internet is I mean you can't say anything about the percentage or how much unless you know what 100% is

16:20 Right if you say it's mostly garbage, then you know that 51% has to be garbage when in fact 51 percent plus is Mostly Netflix or most no yes Netflix and Netflix it all the P at all dependencies But she doesn't see it as data. She sees it as what's on Twitter? Google So when I'm talking about garbage, I am talking about things like spam. I'm talking about things like malware and I want to include harassment. These are just things that we have come to accept aren't great and there is certainly... Hold on a second. Why didn't the New York Times just hire L Sharp?

17:12 It would have been more entertaining that's for sure and I have to qualify Before I even begin going into this please look spam is speech Malware is speech like code of speech harassment of speech nonetheless, this all belongs in a bucket where We know that something has to be done about it Doesn't mean we have to put people in prison. It doesn't mean everything has to be deleted but See, what's and I can tell you where she's going with this because i saw the whole thing. What she's saying is harassment Is no different from spam and malware except The purist of the internet hates spam hate malware we have all kinds of institutions And laws and regulations remember it's just code It's just speech it is exactly the same as harassment so we should have harassment

18:06 filters and then she'll get she goes in this whole thing about server-side filters, and it's very convoluted But I'll play it until we're done with her These things make the internet unusable I started thinking about this actually, um, because there was a lot of this. I was thinking of this actually, I was thinking of this actually makes the internet and usable of course is like how do people watch Netflix if the internet's unusable? It seems pretty usable to me. How did people do anything? Yeah. I mean there's a lot more going on than what she's talking about. She's talking about a small, small niche

18:46 of the internet that's about her. Twitter! She's talking about Twitter. It doesn't mean we have to put people in prison, it doesn't mean everything has to be deleted but there is an issue here these things make the internet unusable No it's not true I started thinking about this actually because I was having dinner with these older attorneys who had been working with Internet law for a long time. And they're like, oh man remember when people were really upset about server-side filtering? Spam filtering? That's before my time! What happened there? It was last week. They basically spun out the story that I thought was incredible—I will leave out names—but

19:33 Basically around this era, in the earlier 2000s you had people who are typically free speech wing of the Free Speech Party. These are the kinds of people who... Yeah and she just goes on and it never gets to the point and we don't have to listen anymore. The Free Speech Party! And that's why she is perfect as a journo for The Verge It's because all she thinks about is the internet, is Twitter. And that's where her garbage... it would have been more accurate if she said Twitter is garbage although I vehemently disagree but that would have been more accurate so she's not that great! She's not a deep thinker. To me doesn't seem like any really deep thoughts or anything spectacular. I think there are lots of other people who could be on The New York Times editorial board for instance us

20:30 Yeah, just as an op if you're gonna get controversial people in well But it is pretty weird. I mean there's out you have to wonder how she got there In the first place, I mean there's something that has got to be graft or something. Somebody is there likes her wants to date her maybe even though it has to be a woman? Now I can see the editorial only read it in the newsletter in an essay kind of a quasi-essay picture essay and

21:05 Because it kept coming up in the damn Twitter feeds and all this you know, then Jimmy blasted her for something. Yeah So I had to take notice right but it did I think that the most interesting thing about her announcement and all of her tweets is You know the lack of who was it? Who's the who's the black conservative woman? I forget her name now Tina was a bunch of them. Well, no anyway one of these famous ones I think yeah that's the one heel I think or something um She yeah Candace Owens Thank You troll room Oh it's yes, that's right Candice Owens and she took the exact same tweets from Sarah Young you June and she replaced the word white with Jew and Twitter bander for 12 hours until I guess they figured out

22:05 You know exactly how that goes some algo might pick something up it goes to some dude in Bangladesh like oh, this is against the rules boom done I Didn't know that but it makes nothing but sense of course of course But the lack of actually any even real conversation about that anywhere, but in the internet garbage IOG. I kind of do like that term just for Twitter You know that's where everything is being discussed, but have you heard any meaningful or any any conversation seems like a third rail? M5m doesn't want to touch it no m5. M5m has refused to discuss it the New York Times passed it off as well Counter-trolling counter counter trolling which I've never heard of rolling never heard of that oh

22:54 And, uh, so they think it's fine. Well you made a journalistic point in the newsletter that I liked which was if you in particular from an outfit such as the New York times and I don't know if they've actually have written an actual op-ed about it or is it just that one statement? They released there was this no, there was this memo memo well, there should be a number of op eds. I feel if that, if that's their choice um, And I lost my train of thought well my point that I was making was if you're gonna say that These are take what it was the verge the verge says they're gonna take her out of context. She's taken out a car, right? Then you have Context and My point is exactly the way it sounded when I read it to my Point was apparently he's the only voice they have according to the family works Me works at the verge

23:48 The point I made, which you're going to bring up and I'll steal it from you was that if you're going to say that as a op-ed writer or journalist whatever you gonna do. So what was taken out of context? You have to provide as part of the kind of the rules, the rules of the road. You have to provide an example of how it was taken out of context. In other words you have to put it in context to show us how it was taken out of context and people do that all the time they say look at this they do with Trump they said what Joe Trump's been did he said this? He didn't say that! He said this...He didn't say that because he said it after he said this so it was obviously a joke

24:25 So you put it in context, but no. Nobody put in context because I started looking at her tweets she's out of context constantly She's just rambling and why doesn't the New York Times write something about that? It seems to me like that would be appropriate and And might be enlightening. I don't know maybe there's a take on it You and I haven't figured out yet. A can't be done Can't be done Okay B and they've already made the decision and they're gonna stick to it because if feel now They got a an Asian female lesbian Three boxes ticked. Three boxes ticked, they're not getting rid of her because it's going to look like they hate Asians and looks like they hate women which is half the audience and it looks like... They can't do it! Once they put her in there, they can't get rid of her. It's like oh oops yeah so she can hate whites and hate men and hate whatever she hates that's just the way it goes

25:25 Well, it's... Now will she be writing for the New York Times as well? She is just on the editorial. She is one of the people that has these meetings where we should talk more about this I think we haven't had enough stories about how designers work with the color white Don't you think there is too much white being shown and besides that doesn't photograph well to the advisory board. Yeah, so that and of course there's no byline so who knows who's writing that? It's probably a collection isn't it? The funny thing was I looked you know i tried to she was with the Women's Law Journal which became the gender something or other journal at Harvard which is a student publication and I looked her up in the database because you can do that and she never wrote anything for me She was an editor and who helped somebody on one of those things

26:22 much of a hot shot there. It was kind of third tier student publication, no offense to people that worked there but it's not the Harvard Law Journal or anything big. It's not The Crimson? It's not The Crimson! Now where she's coming from, and I said that in my setup is ancestral problems. Men have been running society it's the patriarchy it's toxic masculinity... You know I've never heard any of this in the 60s

27:00 Which is when by the way, this scum manifesto was written that she refers to yeah Tell us about because that's an acronym that I was not familiar with. Yes The SCUM Manifesto came out in the late 60s and there was a similar very similar movement to what's going on now It was during the Vietnam War that other doing stuff And this woman I think I can't remember her name Valerie You looking up? Yeah, yeah. Valerie Solanas it could be anyway She wrote this scum manifesto which was the Society for cutting up men and it was just kind of what did this Sarah Young is all about you know kill man there sucked in oh good They don't help me and they're taking over And they're telling us what to do and it was just as you know I never bought a copy I should have though because it seems like it's now a collector's item

27:54 So the term scum appeared on the cover of the first edition of Olympia Press as Scum and was said to stand for Society for Cutting Up Men, but she objected apparently insisting that was not an acronym. Although they expanded term appear in The Village Voice ad she had written in 1967 so okay. Hey! She sounds just like Sarah Young Yeah, inconsistent. Liar! The SCUM Manifesto argues that men have ruined the world and it is up to women to fix it Well I'm going to be reading this. And put it right next to my Unabomber manifesto It might be right there with that quality work

28:34 Well, I'm not so sure but... I don't think so either. Okay! So what how did that end? I mean did it end or did it just kind of fade away and then... Yeah. What's Watergate happened to? Is this the resurgence since she's citing it specifically is this a resurgence of the scum movement? There was no movement that's the joke of it there's nothing moving going on now It's a bunch of people on Twitter It's a bunch of people, there is word I can't think of but it has to do with the bunch of people that are irked with the way things are because they're not part even though she... you never hear from her once she gets on that editorial board by the way. She is going to fade fast or they'll kick her off but its people who feel marginalized and I should be the boss! I should be the boss! Noodle boy?

29:33 It just fades out because it's just like at some point people get jobs. And then they're like, ah shit I got a job but got rents and like I have no time. Oh man the risk to highs... Well, let's listen to the modern day version of who is to blame for everything. And this was an argument between Angela Rye who is now I think pretty much a fixture on CNN former...I think she was a gopher at the Black Caucus She has some fancy name like assistant something to the assistant, but you know intern. Go for she was I think she was pretty low-level there with the Cuomo kid and half get who the Republican guy is he's the one with the With the VJ J mouth that beard like a ringbeard It's really disgusting It's really poor don't have to it's a terrible by the way They just keep they have these people and they promote them And they wonder why they do their ratings are done. They're annoying

30:33 Here she is breaking it down for us in a nice little nutshell. Who's really the problem with ICE? Come on man, you guys know that this policy is ass backwards plain and simple! You guys know this policy is inhumane plain and simple like if you just take yourselves out of it for just the moment Take off the lenses of bigotry for just a moment and imagine if this was happening to kids. Okay, so now we're getting into the name calling? Yes, we are. I'm calling this process...this procedure is absolutely based on bigotry and fear mongering. If you don't understand that your president announced his campaign by talking about digital law- Why did he introduce Donald Trump? He's our President Angela! No not mine, not mine. I will never claim a bigot ever.

31:18 Are you a Canadian? I know you're off on the red herring because your losing the debate. So let me just finish this point for you. He started his campaign... You're rude! Come on dude, I'm not screaming The only person that's rude is you because your so afraid for me to get to the comma because the debate ends at the comma dog This is over. You have nothing to- I hadn't heard that before Did you hear what she said? The debate ends at the comma dog She just threw down some blackness on him. All right, because you're so afraid for me to get to the comma because the debate ends at the Commodog this is over You have nothing to add except for asking if I'm committed Canadian and no I'm not I wish I could tell you where from Africa my ancestors came from at least part of them But I wouldn't know because the same bigots who are bringing who are sending people back away from their children Are the ones who brought my ancestors here? There you go that is it in a nutshell

32:16 All the shit long life all the shit. I have in my life is because dot-dot-dot White men we disappoint where we can actually say it We're a punching bag and not much more than that by the way well as did more than even white minutes some this thing has gotten completely out of control white men white women to in some ways because there's this situation in Australia, or you have to comment on Which is just ludicrous and I checked it out. It's gotta be a joke! This must be the onion, but no this is going on and I have this clip here of the Australian nurses that are required to go up to people when they do nursing and say excuse me I have to tell you I have white privilege. Yeah wasn't this debunked? Didn't we talk about this there was only

33:08 Only quote unquote only one union that was it wasn't a law for all nurses know they put it into play within there's some sort of a handbook that all nurses have to follow. You can listen to this and think for yourself whether it's not true but you can look up, go to Google. No it's true but I'm just saying, I believe was for 5 000 nurses and... no i don't think so. Okay well let's listen. Tonight the contentious new code telling nurses to say sorry for being white when treating their indigenous... It's okay John All we have to say is I'm white. You don't have to actually say, I'm white. I'm white! I'm white! I'm white! It's okay that way.

33:58 But this one has led to calls for the nursing board boss to resign. And as Yazdedevich reports, even some Aboriginal leaders have described it as potentially damaging. According to how the code is written... The white nurse would come in and say before I deal with you, I have to acknowledge to you that I had... Yeah this is the clip we played a while ago but it does sound like its now code in olive. the nursing profession, I guess. because of my whiteness and your disadvantage becomes because of your blackness. I doubt that it's come from an Aboriginal community, that's for sure no actual consultation with Aboriginal people They're the backbone of our health system

34:55 often overworked and underpaid. Nurses are very caring people, they're always respectful it's in their genes I mean this is the thing that so outrageous because the fundamental presumption of this code is that nurses are currently racists But now a new imposition, one that could threaten their livelihood. It only takes a single complaint from a patient to say you didn't acknowledge your white privilege I felt culturally under threat or subsumed by you and the nurse can find themselves hauled before the tribunal and subject to a conduct complaint it has many like Graham Haycroft from The Nurses Professional Association of Queensland up in arms this is introducing a form of apartheid

35:38 into nursing, into the health system. In changes to the National Code of Conduct for nurses and midwives when treating patients who identify as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders they must first acknowledge their white privilege. Now the thing that seems to be overlooked by this nonsense is Besides the fact that we're supposed to be doing less of these, of this segregation. We're supposed to be more integrated as a worldwide culture and not making these distinctions because it seems to me that making this particular distinction in this particular moment is saying...is announcing your superiority. Yes! I don't see why people don't see it that way you go up and say oh I want to tell you I'm white and I have privilege yeah and you are not

36:32 How is that not, besides being insulting. How is that not a incredibly divisive...besides being that it's just like It doesn't seem right to be doing that. It's like making a point of it I'm white and you're black It's what it amounts to. But you know, next it'll be uh I apologize because I'm white and then you'll have the same apologize cuz I'm white in a man and not the apologized because I'm over six feet tall is...I think here so I meet you and say- I apologize for being so tall that your little short little short fucker yeah and I'm a tall guy

37:17 I mean, come on! Where does it end? Well...I know how it ends. It's very simple Okay let's pretend we're just a meeting and we introduce ourselves and you introduce yourself to me Hello, I'm John Oh hi, oh hi, I'm Adam Curry Sorry that I exist Yes, I think that should be it. Yes. I'm sorry. I exist This is what so now? I understand was partially due to the newsletter and a couple other things The reason why the word racism is used because and I think it was written somewhere They said in this not this context but in this Mmm. I can't remember the exact word But in the context and way to weights used today from people like Sarah's young is

38:02 If you are white, it is impossible for anyone to be racist against you. So racism is only what the ancestral men—predominantly white men—have done to the world and they are the racists And you can be racist against other people, but against white people... apparently white men it just cannot be racist. And I know that a lot of millennials who believe this. If you hate... yes! I agree. A lot of Millennials buy into this if you hate

38:39 hate the white race and want them wiped off the face of the earth. There's not an element of racism in that by definition. No, anymore...by this definition. I would argue there never has been It's just a, it's good. It's a good thing. It's a start. No racism there is to get rid of all whites but isn't this just no wonder that people are there I mean this whole what happened is the idea that we're supposed to all be one big happy family yeah now it seems that somehow what has taken place

39:22 is, you know you used to feel bad about your situation and I think necessity is the mother of invention. I've seen it myself and when at the lowest point its darkest before dawn you know all the sayings because ultimately you have to pull yourself up and do something and make something out of yourself but we've trained really an entire generation And I think it goes worldwide. We've trained an entire generation that you can blame this group for whatever it is that ails you, and if you look—you don't have to look that hard—of course! Everything in history comes from white men. Now, I mean, I know that's not true but the way people like Angela Rye would see it so there to blame? It's obvious. It's very odd

40:18 It's extremely odd. You talk about the Handmaid's Tale, exactly the opposite is taking place! The men will be kept as slaves only to come out to breed... Well I have noticed this thing you know there's this demasculinization of the American boy It starts with Ritalin in kindergarten. Well, there's a lot of that stuff like that they dope them up and but there's something I've been noticing it's been bothering me and its the use of the high register in men

40:56 routinely to the point where you almost can't tell if it's a woman talking. And this is into the 20s and 30s I'm talking about here, the higher end millennials. It's not a case in my family. JC actually sounds a little like I do but I hear when i go out and I was getting my hair cut the other day, and I could hear these two guys talking to him. And both of them...I can do it! I think if I try hard enough to get my high register to work a little better as just my normal voice. Now wait now- You know what? I think you can't do without making a parody of it. But hold on how old were they young like 20s? No the late mid to late twenties Okay white guy's Yeah okay gay or straight

41:41 Well, there's a they have the I think one was straight and one was gay But I don't know. They could have both been straight, they could have both been gay because of this...I was paying more attention to the voice of theirs and they all had this high register and you start hearing it as very close to being a voice that never went through puberty like a kid's voice but it's in an adult and has a different ring and tone to it because of the size of the body and the solar plexus is gonna bring out a different kind of sound but its..I'm just noticing it everywhere Hmm. And it's like, it's kind of like they remember that woman who was busted for that fake therapeutic, you know the did the testing with micro drops and Theranos? Yeah, Theranos blonde who talk like this I don't think its important a woman talks like this Well this is the opposite Guys that talk like this! They all sound like Mickey Mouse! I dont know how they do it

42:44 And I don't know if I've had the same experience. Start listening, but it wouldn't surprise me that you got those new hearing aids on your building here now. If you thank you go ahead mock the weak and the crippled Thank You superpowers It's like when people are aware you have hearing aids and you miss something what's the first thing they say? Turn up your hearing aids. Yeah, exactly! It's like saying to someone with an artificial limb, hey walk a little faster! What's wrong with you? Now you're getting over-hypersensitive about the hearing aids. Of course because I'm still trying to figure them out and get them perfect and there is no perfection it's a hell of lot better but once you claim your bionic which i am when I hear things that are unbelievable

43:34 But then when you miss something, then it's I... Yeah. I'm sure that someone would say somebody is a dick! Now, I would say start listening for the turn up your hearing aid and start listening for these kids, these 20-somethings maybe it's not as present in Texas as it is in California but it's quite noticeable around here Well um And by the way we'll have people writing in mentioning it some parts of the country Oh I am sure But it's... I noticed. But you know, it wouldn't surprise me if you grow up amongst your peers and you all have to agree that, oh man really? It's the white men who really did all this to us and we've got take down those statues! And then meanwhile you're standing there and if you're a white guy maybe just better shut up. I guess I'm gonna start talking like this! Leave me alone!

44:30 I gotta write that time down. Write that number down! Yeah, okay... Uhh..I had another clip here in the same bin also from Australia coincidentally but i don't think it has to do necessarily with this It's about- well it is a bit about the future of the Democrat Party and I just don't remember if was our party or the one in Australia Finally what advice would you give to Democrats? Yes, author Frank Thomas is being asked this. It's about the US Democratic Party Trump in 2020 and what do you think is actually gonna happen? What you do when you're faced with the white working-class walking away from the party of the left You reach out for them in a way that a party of the left reaches out for working class people You don't emphasize the whiteness you emphasize The working classness and you reach out to them on economic issues In a lot of ways that Bernie Sanders was proposing to do That I think

45:21 can stop them. But the question of what they will do, they're not going to do that because that would involve them breaking up with their Wall Street pals. That would involve the Democratic Party having to... They couldn't party with the Silicon Valley guys anymore. They couldn't ride on the Google jet anymore because they would have to once again become a party of working people. They're very happy being the party of the professional class and they don't want it go back to being what they used to be. What they really want to do is scold Trump voters. Not just Trump himself, but they're angry at his voters and their first impulse is to scold them. They want to live in this utopia of scolding where they can every day feel so pure and good about themselves you know? And the scold, scold, scold, scold...

46:01 I think the other thing that they're going to do is run the election, the campaign of 2016 over and over and over again until they finally win. You know, they'll try different candidates. They'll try different get out-the vote efforts. They'll do it right next time! And then next time they won't lose. Look that might work in the short term. The thing is this The Republican Party is never turning away from Trumpism. Next time around, after Trump is gone it's going to be in the hands of somebody that knows what they're doing a Ted Cruz, a Marco Rubio and they're not gonna make dumb mistakes you have to stop that Democrats they need to become the party-the party of labor again I don't think they want to go there and this is why I'm kind of pessimistic about my country's future

46:44 Oh, well now see he had a very good analysis. Yes which I agree with 100% of the Democrats abandoning the working class because they see this dying middle classes dead who cares we love partying with the Googles yeah that was pretty astute it was accurate And the biggest part of all, of course are the bankers. Yeah especially investment bankers They party like there's no like nobody else and so they'd rather be doing that because it's always been the party of partiers Mm-hmm and yeah But but then at the end he kind of drops the ball by saying oh my country is doomed

47:23 Yeah, you know it was a good analysis until he said that because it doesn't necessarily It's not necessarily true at all. I have the best my country's doomed clip. It's a long one but its Rob Reiner Oh, God. It's really good John. Yeah okay. It's Rob Reiner with Nicole Wallace. Wait let me do an entremont first. You didn't go into Rob Reiner because since you're in Australia and we were talking about Australia and the nurse I do have a New Zealand clip? Ah just to be fair just to be impartial to the islands So the New Zealanders are they have this Lauren Southern Yes

47:59 who's up there with Mola, no Molanu that was just seems to be hanging out with her cause she's pretty and he doesn't get a word in edgewise with her. Hey let's do a podcast together wink-wink nudge nudge baby. And so she's floating around the she's the one recently... Hey we should uh do a podcast together one of these days. What a dog! Dog. She got kicked out of the UK permanently. I thought she wasn't even allowed in? No, I think yeah kicked out and not allowed in she can't go there for what reason is another mystery it's almost you know just like why okay. For the heckless veto of course we all understand this. A very interesting troublemaker because

48:51 fast talker, sharp. I got good ideas she's pretty much just on this anti-sharia and she's anti immigrant, anti diversity she's an anti diversity person as she says she goes to New Zealand they cut her off from all the speaking engagements because she's anti diversity and it's very hard to understand is this New Zealander interview around this on the show. I have the whole clip, he goes dead at the end after she throws something at him you have to really concentrate to hear the words but see what we got here more than that there's polling that has been done in this country where over i believe when i checked last was around 70 percent of people here agreed we should have the right to speak

49:33 So there is this radical minority that want to decide what the majority of people should think is hate speech and should be shut down. Well, well what people say as hate speech is when you say that diversity is a weakness. Right, and the suffragettes would have been considered against the modern status quo at the time. Individuals who criticized Christianity hundreds of years ago would have been prosecuted under blasphemy laws. I now criticize the religion of diversity and I'm considered committing hate speech because that is the popular culture at the time. Well what I say to you Lauren Southern is that New Zealand is a diverse country.

50:09 You say diversity is a weakness. This country is known as the melting pot Are you saying we're weak? Will you accept the diverse view that women should be stoned for the crime of being raped What's wrong with that? Blood and dead air I didn't know that New Zealand saw itself as this diverse melting pot Did you? No, I thought... And apparently it's like a state religion so you can't criticize the whole idea of diversity which is the reason they won't let her speak. Oh we have enough New Zealanders and they're gonna let us know exactly what's going on but i don't believe that It's hard to believe that this whole thing isn't..I know what she likes to do She likes to get herself into a pickle so she can complain about it Right

51:02 And I don't know, she doesn't pull off a speech. She does it for like her style but she's uh...she's the troublemaker you can just tell that that's a plus is a plus at least someone's triggering this conversation But, you know... In some way I- on some days I get up and think, eh it's just on Twitter. And it really is pretty much just on Twitter. I don't know about Facebag because I'm still not on it. No no you say that until you find out she has been kicked out of the UK for showing up and she can't go back to the UK at all She can't visit London Oh! No what I mean is this general argument

51:39 what is taking place. It doesn't really spill over into the real world that much, and there are days when I think well this entire generation has grown up to believe that white privilege exists to the degree you have to apologize for being white you know, will that ever rectify? And some days I think oh yeah it's... Yeah people get over it and they'll change their mind but then I hear Rob Reiner. I'm like no no no one will never get over it On MSNBC, of course plugging his movie which is shock and awe the movie is about as far as I understand it The run-up to the Iraq war and how the press was thwarted from telling the truth. Oh really? Yeah oh yeah he's in my view changing history by saying that they knew what was going on but no no no you shut up

52:35 Who made them shut up? Was there the Ministry of Truth or something? In my mind it was the media. The media were the ones who were pushing it, they were all in! That's what I saw...I watched this and I was in the media, I didn't notice any of this kind- I saw it as a bunch of bullcrap And ground zero to coin that phrase for this, or use the phrase here, was The New York Times And the woman who had just incorrect, non-fact checked information about the weapons of mass destruction. And she worked for the CIA I believe? Possibly. You're talking about the one that was kicked out? Yeah but she...she was the one and she covered it up!

53:20 So it was the media as far as I remember. But okay, so he's revising that now? He's revising it to... Of course you can blame a lot on Cheney! Let me guess, he's revising and turns out somehow to be Trumps fault?! Oh, I wish. It's only at the end because thats when the plug comes in but just a couple minutes of Rob Reiner completely unglued The Washington Post has been keeping a running second Not like Nicole Wallace is much less unglued Act checker if you will The way he speaks and they've just updated it 4,229 false or misleading claims in 558 days. That's 16 a day! Seven-and-a-half claims a day I thought it was 16. In just June and July that's

54:06 16 lies or falsehoods misleading claims a day Is the biggest problem I see with because I think of it as two mainstream medias you have You know why? I'm gonna point out one of the ones that was pointed out to me where Sarah Huckabee who's also a liar Said that she was bitching about the press or somebody saying they want to strangle her Yeah, and it was pointed out as a bold-faced lie The words were they wanted to wring her neck. It was a lie I remember we played the clip and our conclusion was what a bunch of bullcrap yeah? It was a lie well the lies on the other side no

54:53 No, not in that case. They didn't... Well what was it? Give me the background because I don't know... Oh let me see! Let's see! I think I have the clips here. Ring her neck. Let me see if i have it here. Oh this is actually interestingly enough Nicole Wallace again, this may only be an ISO though. What is this? How do you resist the temptation to run up and bring her neck why can't she just say that was that's what the whole thing is based on from Nicole Wallace saying how could you stop from not going Up and wanting to wring her neck I mean it's an expression I know but then why does it if somebody says If I say to you after use that came out about me I said they wanted a choke me Does that mean I'm a liar

55:38 They just said they want to wring my neck. No, no did not say that. Said what made you not want to go up there and ring her neck? Well it was a question. Okay implied It was a big storm about nothing is bullshit. There was no point I'm trying to make it that these so-called This category, okay? I got you. I got you. I'm with your little things the guy says You know he gives a number that's off by one He's a liar yeah, it gives the number That's off bite 100 yes a liar But he's just throwing stuff out because he's going to these speeches and

56:14 Yeah, I mean... He's just ad-libbing an hour speech. Yeah he doesn't have a bunch of numbers in front of him It would be like this People listening to this show now i'm sure some call us liars and water carriers for Putin And whereas what's happening is sometimes we're just wrong. We're wrong or we remember it differently, or... Being wrong and getting it slightly wrong and making little errors are making this so just shooting from the hip Yeah It's not the same as the way they're trying to portray this as like plotting liars Yes I know yes I'll tell them this and yeah agreed but it's a difficult one the one in the case of Sarah Sanders because I heard her on the podium say

56:57 words to the effect of, you know your network... It's ant-fucking. Hey! New Currys Law once you bring in that term the conversations over and you win it's Mietenoke and thank you for tweeting that the other day all of Holland is in arms they can't believe that John C Dvorak used the Dutch word mietenoke They really enjoyed that. John who would they be? Shepherd Smith is a good journalist. He's not a journalist he's a prompter reader What are you talking about he has opinions he gives the counter-intuitive

58:13 opinion on Fox, which I think is very good for Fox to do. He's got a great voice Yes he's got that Ryan Seacrest kind of vibe about him you could do radio Guys, you should consider doing radio. You'd be really good. Shout out everybody! It's Chef Smith! But this is the first time that you have mainstream media essentially divided into two halves so that you have Fox, Breitbart, Sinclair and Alex Jones which has now been taken off of Facebook thank God Oh thank god it's all Facebook I was just going crazy seeing Alex Jones on Facebook What? Thank God! I didn't know if i would survive the night with Alex Jones on Facebook. Rob, I'm so happy you survived it

58:56 What the hell, man? Where's this guy's priorities and what is he doing? ...haves so that you have Fox, Breitbart, Sinclair and Alex Jones which has now been taken off of Facebook thank God. Trafficking in another narrative. And so when shock-and-awe... Trafficking in another narrative That's that's an interesting way of saying they have a different viewpoint or a different opinion But he uses the drug related trafficking to me well done. I like that a lot trash a propagandistic trick Yes, Goebbels is rolling over in his grave

59:39 Or on his beach towel in Argentina. You know, trafficking in another narrative and so you know when shock and awe with these guys that four journalists... That's it? So that's his film Shock & Awe. Now he is plugging the movie. Trafficking in another narrative And so you know when shock and awe with these guys that four journalists who got the truth out during the run up to the war. They were facing headwinds of patriotism, trauma of 9-11 but they weren't facing the headwinds that real journalists who are working very hard now to get the truth out

1:00:20 Which is this cement block a wall that they cannot penetrate with the truth and that's the scary part So he's saying that because Fox News is trafficking in another narrative That journalists now cannot get the truth out. There's a block How does that work? What is he talking about? Isn't the truth all over MSNBC and CNN and ABC, CBS NBC isn't that truth everywhere. He's right there but what I think you're saying what I think he's saying is we're not reaching our fellow Americans who have been misled by this hypnotic Fox News that's what he's saying except you know there's a shimmering points of light like Shep Smith block

1:01:11 a wall that they cannot penetrate with the truth and that's the scary part. Donald Trump ran on this, and it was effective he said you know the media doesn't represent regular people Hollywood doesn't represent regular people we are completely out of touch with regular people And it worked to his advantage How do you... how does somebody who... That to me would be a clue! Let me see He said Let me see, it worked what he was saying. Maybe we are out of touch! No, no. Even I can reconsider my position from time to time. It doesn't represent regular people. Hollywood doesn't represent regular people we are completely out of touch with regular people and it worked to his advantage how do you how as somebody who speaks in the media often is someone who produces films like shock-and-awe that are journalism films but then also somebody in Hollywood How do you push back on that? You just have to keep pounding away there's nothing else you can do

1:02:11 He doesn't speak to the mainstream media. They're just angry, their people are angry and he will feed them whatever they want Unlike you who is being fed by the machine with stuff they want It's not the same Keep that anger going And you see it in the rallies! He actually calls for this kind of outrage out We are in the right now. It might be the last stage of a civil war battle is being fought Hopefully it won't be fought physically Wait a minute

1:03:06 We're in the last stages of the battle for the Civil War. Hopefully it won't be fought physically, but what is gonna happen? Are we gonna have Twitter teams and were gonna or is it all going to happen on fortnight? What are you do this Rob? But we are more divided than we ever have been and we've got a president No weren't we really divided in the actual civil war I'd say that was pretty device. Hey, we were very divided I think we're shooting each other think that's a little more divided than what you see here You know and huge armies going at it Yeah, brother against brother. Blowing people up. That's okay let's exaggerate today's things. This is the worst ever! We are in it right now it might be the last stage of a civil war the last battle is being fought hopefully it won't be physically but we are more divided than we have been and we've got a president who is backed up by media presidents have always

1:04:04 feud propaganda liberals, Democrats and Republicans. They always have everyone's spin yeah to push a policy to push uh a rationale to go to war but they've never been backed up by essentially in sense state-run media that's new and the and social media it's all new and it's very very scary right now This is so again, and this guy is really nuts. This is the third time I'm hearing the clip But it's all about Fox you know and so who of course have top ratings So to me that what he's really saying is oh my gosh Oh My Gosh

1:04:43 Oh and gee, Fox News has high ratings. They're buying it! Everyone's being zombified It's just... Look at the actual number of people who watch Fox News It's not like CBS 60 Minutes No, it's nothing like the big networks. The big networks have really got a... So he is I think what he's saying is that he is so afraid that this group of millions of viewers every night and every day is being mind-controlled and this is going to drive us to civil war hopefully not a shooting war. Which is another weird thing I never heard before. He says we're almost at the end of the Civil War

1:05:27 Is that what he said? Yeah, didn't you hear that. He says we're almost at the end of the Civil War. We're at the last stages I hope it doesn't come to blows. No i thought he meant... The Washington Post has been keeping... It's being fought hopefully it won't be fought. We are going to have uh we are in right now it might be the last stage of a civil war battle is being fought. Hopefully it won't be for... Oh you're right, oh okay interesting I didn't interpret it that way the first time so this is the last stage which means Fox has to come down? Is that Reiner's last stand as Fox News? I didn't take that but I mean I don't know what he's talking about

1:06:07 So maybe that's what he's talking about News is the whole Civil War is Fox News. Yes, and in the last stages the last battle Oh That must be though that must be the midterm election that that's what he's talking about Okay, yeah watch my movie vote Democrat and with that I I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C. Where the c stands for counter trolling DeBorah! In the morning to you Mr Adam Curry! In the morning all ships at sea! Boats on the ground, fate in the air, slums of water or the damons and knights out there? In the morning to The Troll Room! T-R-O LL ROOM! NoagendaStream.com is where you can listen to this show live joining the conversation combo

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1:07:52 $760 for vaccinations for the dog what yeah? Oh, yeah well ever since they brought in pet insurance prices skyrocketed surprise surprise That's what happened ask Mimi. She knows she's always bitching to me about the vet bills Is she bitchin you about the vet bills I bet she is No. She brings it up with me, she gets an earful I'm like oh really? She'll talk to you about that! Yeah no kidding she needs an outlet apparently I'm not a very sympathetic ear for a lot of these things And i'm the dog hater everybody and your the dog hater this is great irony isn't it

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1:16:11 You know who's back? Uh, Al Sharpton. No! One of our favorite jingle makers is back Jeff Smith Yes the Jeff Smith G-E-O FF Jeff Smith is back apparently the crazy piano bar where he worked closed down, so he's experiencing joblessness at the moment Yes, I'm going to give him a karma first of all you've got karma Let's vote for jobs But he made just a kind of gave me the impression on the email that I received that he was enjoying the downtime. And, of course it means that he created some more jingles for us. How good is that? You know what I like about his jingles because he's a professional jingle maker and we have a lot of people they can do jingles but they're not professionals as a difference

1:17:12 And the difference is that his jingles are tight. They're short and tight Yeah, no they're and to the point and they work incredibly well uh...and in this case you know it's The Who but who cares? QQQQQQQQ A musician joke there. Lovely, well I only have a few things to mention regarding Q today just actually one I think we should just don the glasses just for a brief little update do you have them there? Hold on a second... I'll put mine on first! It snaps my head back when i put him on you ready wait a minute I didn't get mine on no are they on yeah whoa

1:18:05 Here's the latest apparently Hugh has left some drip breadcrumbs that these coffins returning from North Korea Do not contain remains They actually contain the servers, the DNC server, Hillary's server and some other server. It's like four servers that are being smuggled back into the country in the coffins of their remains." Well since they never opened the coffins we have no idea what's in there could be a bunch of Twix bars for all we know Yeah I don't know I don't know but it's good bit though I like it

1:18:57 Yeah. I think this guy's on acid Scott Adams, you know Scott Adams visited the White House he was with the president did you see that? yeah i saw that picture that's actually a cut out No, I don't think so. So he did his periscope and that was yesterday and I saw it and AJ talked about his experience but he was very sincere and consistent with saying I'm not gonna tell you what we talked about which you know that's not proper like are you kidding me if I visited the White House? I'd go right down to the shoelaces on his shoes! And be explaining everything just like the King of Holland You do as much as you can why would

1:19:36 Unless there was some strategy that he had discussed. No, I don't think so...I think what it was is he's showing this is me...I still got these glasses on so we can come up with this. Yes of course! That's why we bring them out. Yep. Uh..I think what it is is he's vying for a job within the administration and he's showing that he can keep his secret Unlike most of the leakers working there. Guy, your Q-vision is working very well today! I like that... Very good Well this morning he did another periscope and he said Q is bullshit It's uh.. He basically

1:20:16 calls it what we've discussed previously a psychological operation and it will only wind up in severe disappointment for everybody. Now he's pushing out disinformation to show the president that he can do that too Exactly, and Q will drop some crumbs to let us know And hopefully I'll be able to report on that on Sunday's show. Now before you take them off, John just look out the window right now Before anyone else should know this is Sunday Show if i'm not mistaken

1:20:54 Yeah, I'm in Thursday. I don't know. I'm a different universe this I do it all the time. I do it all the time No, you don't do no I do it a lot recently now. We do it a lot Yeah, I'm confused because every day is Sunday to me John Okay, look up look up look up look up look at this guy yeah Do you see the moon bases mm-hmm? I don't see anything about blue sky okay? I can see the moon bases with them. I'm taking mine off Take it off Good, okay we're done. You know whether they're on or off one thing's the same...the mudflats are still there and they're big! Yeah anyway Jeff's back could not be happier and we have some other stuff that he sent in will be using over the course of the next few shows no doubt so thank you Sir Jeff Smith long-term contributor to the show

1:21:57 All right, what do we have? What you got? I got something here. You should have something. The Koch brothers, oh the Koch brothers, the Koch brothers who talked about they're bailing out and they never liked Trump and they didn't want him to get to win and they had all this finally at Brooks & Shields that Shield's been sidelined for this last show somebody, I can't remember his Ezra Brown or Klein or something. I can't remember his name. It's smarter guy is the guy they should use him as you get rid of shields and guys blithering idiot. Um, it sounded like an ageist was saying that he just lost it. He's lost it all. He does this bitch moan about Trump. So they're talking about the Koch brothers and how there, you know, they are, they don't like Trump and they, their bitching about different things. He's got some excuse for that, but then it cuts over to she had two Brooks

1:22:47 who actually says something complimentary about Trump after all these years, but what he says has a kind of secondary little meaning that it needs a little discussion. Pay for what it wants to do It's interesting the way that these groups are fighting so on the one hand Donald Trump is giving the Kochs a lot of what they want not everything but there are a lot of places where there have been convergences Mike Pence is a very close Koch ally. A lot of folks in the Trump administration, because Pence had a lot of authority over staffing have come from that world and there are a lot of things the Trump administration has done on deregulation on taxes they've been quite happy with but in their parts where Trump has more idiosyncratic personal views than they've not been The spending thing is fascinating though because it's not just Donald Trump Donald Trump doesn't have authority over spending Paul Ryan has been pushing those bills forward Mitch McConnell's been pushing those bills forward

1:23:31 So to the extent that they're upset over more than just free trade, they're also upset with Republicans in Congress. But there's a way that it gets identified and personified in Donald Trump that strikes me as a little bit convenient. They don't really want to be at cross purposes with people they otherwise like but its not Donald Trump making all these spending decisions. There is one area where I agree with Trump and thats on how you win elections. The Koch method is you pour billions of dollars into different Congressional races their record is terrible. They do well when Republicans do well, they do terribly on years when Republicans do terribly There's not a lot of evidence that their method is really great metaphor for winning elections Donald Trump just strong message and a guy with a Facebook And a Twitter account and so it's not the big structure It's not the big money I would say in a media age like we're in now actually the Trump way of winning elections Is a better way than the Koch way? Well

1:24:19 All right, that very astute. In 2016... It's astute except it has an issue Yeah, its anti-media. Ooh Yes good point That is an anti media message luckily you say it on PBS. Because your taking away their core cash cow is any election Yeah, and so they want the coke good method. They don't care whether it works or not They just want to bitch about the cokes and all the but most of the media has the following message because they're taking the money PBS not taking that money below they get it around in a roundabout way So they still shouldn't be saying this and he's risking his career on The TV by saying this by saying that you know well You don't need to spend all that money what? Money

1:25:14 He said on PBS, so there's... Yes. But they get a lot of underwriting that's the same thing if you remember our real basic analysis here. Yes. Underwriting advertising? The model is spend a lot of money Bitch and moan about campaign finance reform, and then make a big... Yeah you bitch and moan about it. You don't stop it! No! Just bitch and moan. We need more! Oh my god they spent more than- They're gonna spend two billion this year oh my god the new finance reform is necessary And you bitch about it and he says no but what they're spending 2 billion we got to spend 2 billion So it's the whole thing as a scam to get more money in the coffers I wish we could find the less moonves clip

1:25:55 where he's at a quarterly, I think it was a quarterly earnings announcement and he goes on about how great this last election was because of all the money being spent. And I think it refers to the Romney campaign. Obama election. No, no no it was Moonves talking to shareholders specifically about how Trump was great for advertising during the primaries. Let me see... I thought we had that somewhere? Yeah here it is! Ah, we've got it! The advertising climate couldn't be better right now and I've never seen it this hot for a number of years Third quarter scatter was phenomenally good and fourth is even better than that

1:26:37 So as the year ends and we move into 2016, guess what? In 2016 we have an extra AFC playoff game. We have the Super Bowl and a year of political advertising That looks like it's shaping up to be pretty phenomenal. You know, we love having all 16 Republican candidates throwing crap at each other It's great The more they spend the better it is for us and go Donald Keep getting out there This is fun Watching this let them spend money on us And we love having them in there We're looking forward to a very exciting political year in 2016

1:27:19 Yeah, well this is a good example. That was one of the few times where I should get something like that on tape. Like he said Go Donald Mr Hashtag Me Too Grab him by the pussy Don! He wasn't expecting it This is pre... you know this during the primary Of course he wasn't expecting it This is like old tweets coming back this show We got ya we gotta clip o' you Moonves But that's the model, and so when you start talking about the Koch brothers being marginalized and their method doesn't work. You should just have a message and a couple of social media accounts. Nobody wants to hear that! They want the old model, and the model is... And I'll say it again, spend a lot of money more and more money. That's how you win. You win by spending a lot of money. Oh, we need campaign finance reform because people are spending too much money. We've got to stop it. We can't afford it.

1:28:10 And then you don't do anything. The Wall Street Journal had a pretty good article about Moonves and the title of it was CBS scandal is neatly timed exactly what we discussed that yeah, it appears this could be Sherry Redstone's play That would I would believe that that's what the Wall Street Journal concluded after listening to this show And I have a little update on Harvey Weinstein as there was some news from his court case where he can be sentenced to effectively, a life-term sentence. And I got to tell you, I think it's going to get off. I don't think he is going go to jail at all."

1:28:57 I think he's gonna walk too. Yeah, here we go! He was once the most famous film producer in Hollywood but outrage over Harvey Weinstein's alleged crimes have left him infamous and kicked off the Me Too movement leading many women to speak out against sexual misconduct in the workplace Mr. Weinstein has already appeared in court accused of sexually assaulting three women which he denies But now his lawyer is trying to get the entire case thrown out, saying in part that the jury hasn't been told the full story. The defense says that dozens of emails dating from weeks up to four years after an alleged rape in 2013 that were exchanged between Weinstein and an accuser show they had a long-term consensual intimate relationship and at no point referenced an assault

1:29:44 They say that these emails should have been shown to the grand jury so that they could make an informed decision before they brought charges against him. His defense team is attempting to have the other charges thrown out of court on technical grounds Mr Weinstein's lawyers claim some charges aren't detailed enough and that they weren't sufficiently notified about others They also claimed the case was rushed to court under pressure from politicians and the media as actresses like Gwyneth Paltrow lined up to say that he had behaved inappropriately with them. Harvey Weinstein was once a Hollywood heavy hitter, but now with a charge that could see him locked away for life and nearly 100 women publicly accusing him fame has turned to infamy You know somewhere else in In the court proceedings

1:30:31 And so the email that the emails are talking about is one of his accusers who they only wanted to identify by her initials, which was JM. Oh man! How hard it's it to figure out? That's Julianne Moore. that apparently there was a, you know 10 year long email relationship and she's saying very flattering things and very nice to Harvey. But that was not introduced the jury never saw that the grand jury when the case was introduced to them so I would say that's pretty important evidence more importantly i was talking to Steve Pchenik last week

1:31:09 Yeah, and a typical Pachenik call. We talk about stuff and then we're talking about the movie of my life I love him for saying that yeah you got a great story now he knows Harvey very well He's always pitching me he knows Harvey really well because of the net four series And all the work the co-writing or as he would say almost all the writing for the what's his face? But yeah You know I'm talking about no hey The writer come on writer Pachinko wrote it wrote all these books for him clear and present danger guy

1:31:48 Clancy, yeah the insurance salesman. Yeah, so Pachanik was out there in Hollywood a lot while they were shooting TV series etc and so again you know it's like to the movie of your life said I don't want to be I don't have to blow Harvey Weinstein to get movie oh he says He says, I can say this. Says Harvey's just an ugly Jewish boy and women were throwing himself at him he's not a rapist. And coming from Pachinic that's a pretty strong statement there had to be an element of women throwing themselves at him uh i don't think it's not deniable if you have the kind of power that he finally achieved where he could make or break your career and put you in a movie and make you a star but there's a lot of women

1:32:45 And I'm not saying all women or there's a lot of, there's also some super talented women that would never do this under a million years and some that even less talent they would never do it. But there are some women that will just throw themselves at someone because they consider themselves... They'd actually consider well look, I can manipulate this guy to get me a job. feminine wiles to do the trick and you know, bat in the eye. Bat, bat, bat. You know women will dig a... I always tell women to go do this. Go bat your eyes at the guy and watch him do it. Do you give this advice to your daughter? Is that what you tell Jay? No, I don't give my daughter... Just bat your eyes at him, Jay! Everything will be fine trust your old man. I never said it to my daughter but I could tell her that. I say, bat your eye. So

1:33:34 you do that. Well I would say men and women do this. Anyone who doesn't think that happened is naive And in gay Hollywood it happens to, a lot Yeah! I've been propositioned by Hollywood types sadly only the gay guys If you were a big shot producer, you would have gotten both sides of it. Possibly I don't know but i'm just saying that uh that made me second think this and look back at all the evidence and well there's really... It's hard to have evidence and I don't want to take anything away from anybody but I think the guy will walk! I don't think there's enough against him. And I think in fact there's probably enough for him

1:34:17 That is going to be very, it's gonna be a shitty conversation if people really talk about it. If a lot of it comes out because yeah some women are... It's gonna be beside herself and this guy gets off Yes And no pun intended Yeah And it's possible Because the guy is the storyteller Not a writer, but a storyteller because he knows how to get these things done correctly. Well I mean the King's speech was Harvey Weinstein's best work that was a phenomenal movie and it was really him who put that together made that work He will get back into the business?

1:35:03 Because he does his business. What else is he gonna do sit around and both? He'll do the apology tour get away with it Put himself back into a position of power, and then he's going after his enemies yeah That clues pal Tro everybody on that list they're all there old except for streep You know they're all not gonna. Yeah, we're Street still hasn't really said anything has she? She's probably didn't do it you know why because she probably knows that she may be coming from the same school It's like well sorry he may not he may be a bad boy But here's what I'm not being I am sure someone will accuse me of being an apologist. I'm just exploring different angles and

1:35:46 Which is what we luckily can do on this show since there's no one here to cut us off because the advertisers won't like it. I'm not going to say that you're full of crap on this one, because you're not! This is actually what's gonna happen Yeah, I think so too. I think he's gonna get off... I think he's gonna walk, I think he's gonna get- He's gonna do his apology tour, he's gonna be at all the talk shows cause he's gonna kind of be the interesting guest of the month It'll go on and on. He's gonna do a couple small independent films, you know done by up-and-comers with a bunch of new talent and then he's gonna start making... The skills that he has is nothing that you can just it's not like falling off the log. It takes a lot of time and energy to get there. It's like Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson is back now. You know? That's okay

1:36:37 This is this is what I will say almost regardless of the crime whatever you do in America. You always get a second chance Yeah, unless you're in prison Right unless your locked up yeah like professor Ted no second chance for Professor Ted No, no not gonna happen. No it won't Let us see now oh this was Washington Post just no clip just a little mention here and We were, I had a theory about Kavanaugh. Brett Kavanaugh and based upon some clips that we know that Trump's sister recommended and different person and That person ticked all the boxes but they went with Kavanaugh anyway And my suspicion is he's doing it to open up the can of worms about Clinton and Vince Foster? And The Washington Post is already diving in headfirst

1:37:33 After investigating Clinton White House and Vincent Foster's death, Brett Kavanaugh had a change of heart. So there this so they're all the papers in the country the suckers yep They fell for it. Is the WAPO? Yeah they jumped headfirst Full article all about what happened about Starr and what Kavanaugh's role was And the controversy over that gunshot in Fort Marcy Park There's they're ahead of the game. They're dredging it up now when do we start with the confirmation hearings isn't that soon? It's got to be soon, isn't it? It's gotta be within a next couple weeks Yeah, yeah So we'll see this week could be some We might be right on this one will say this will is possible I'm looking at the WAPO has this thing people might want to subscribe to because you have to have some Armor cuz it's just a Trump hating money and you need money

1:38:26 No, no not for this newsletter. Oh you just can't go beyond the newsletter then you have to subscribe Although it seems with brave you can get past most of these you can yeah, I can get through some of them The Washington, it's called the Post Most. And it's all just Trump hate, Trump, Trump, Trump and here is the one... Yes really! So this headline was at the top of the list in big bold bigger tick type fonts and says the following, Trump had a precarious moment in his presidency privately brooding and publicly roaring That's the headline. And I just read the first sentence, it goes, The president anxious about the Russian probe and the legal fate of his son increasingly channels his frustrations into public appearances. Then they go on about these public appearances that he has been doing because he is on the campaign trail for a bunch of different senators and governors all over the place. I'm reading this thinking to myself do they think this is new with him?

1:39:29 Yeah, exactly. This is what he's been doing this is what he did before he got elected this is what he's been doing after it got elected What is new about this? And by the way people would somebody say well He's just campaigning is ridiculous. She keeps doing as she's not ready for anything This is what I run Twitter and I didn't want to get into it but I was thinking was We used to talk about this with Obama all the time. Yes, he would consistently be on the road out there Doing campaigns yeah? Yeah even after his reelected He was he would keep doing it and he was good at it. Yeah It was good and Trump is good at these hour-long Although did someone needs to work on staging I don't know if you saw Saturday's speech

1:40:15 Right behind the president for us for the viewers right to the president left were two girls who looked like the girls in The Shining it was frightening. Did you see that saw those two girl? That was crazy scary Twins or something I'm telling you, I've expecting Jack Nicholson to show up here Johnny It was like They would clap once and a why didn't watch the whole speech. I just watched some parts of it But it was the same, actually this is one of the few speeches I started to watch. CNN was running it online and I'm thinking why are they doing that because there's just a bunch of anti-CNN material but okay so they're running it and I actually got kind of bored with it about half probably before halfway through but I saw those two girls and they would randomly clap yeah they really didn't smile

1:41:08 whooping it up, they weren't having much fun it looked like. Yeah I agree with you there was too much... Need to work on the staging that was a big problem! I don't know whose kids they were but that was not a good look at those... I almost think his first he kind of talks about the whole thing being first come first serve could be and I don't know if this even staged it that way? No I you know what I don't think so because These things are tight. I love how the audio is really tight, you know he always wraps up and i think he should work on this but okay it's working for him yeah we'll make America safe again will make America strong again will make America rich again will make America great again boom! Always get what you want! I mean that is tight they jam that right on top of him

1:41:56 So someone's doing staging well. Well, they say yeah and he cues it so it works Oh you totally cues it! Well let's talk about some Trump hate and really hate against Specifically CNN and Jim Acosta. I have a couple of clips that we, I think we should discuss And we should point out that you know this rally where he was so afraid and saying CNN sucks, CNN sucks He was just fearing for his life or safety If you look at this, I put the page in the show notes because there's really no audio that is of any use. But yeah there is a video of people yelling CNN sucks but then there is a video where he is half off that podium doing selfies handing out autographs and he was so afraid! So this is a complete charade as far as I know and I'm not Jirno You never want to be the story

1:42:51 You really don't. And Jim Acosta is just chubbing over being the story, he loves being the story and he's not really a journo does he have any real journo credits? He's just a yeller. Let me see... Jim Acosta we should yeah we should look at this we should look at uh... let me see... Look in his wiki page of his house Now we call that consulting the book of knowledge Consulting the Book Of Knowledge Media career, radio guy. Does he have any awards? It doesn't mean anything. He's basically a talking head, he's been on the radio then he went on television that's what it says... What radio was he top 40 DJ what was he doing? Doesn't say his first job was with WMAL Hey! It's the MAL! That's AM News Talk Radio Washington DC 10,000 watts in the daytime

1:43:57 He was a reporter and substitute anchor Remaining that job until 98. So he's a newsreader good. He's a news reader. It's news reader, but he's really doing the job very well so that CNN continues to interchange free press with press, with CNN with the media, with enemy of the people. Whereas the quote still remains actually it has been expanded fake news like CNN okay? That's that is now the definition of the enemy of the people fake news like CNN or CNN fake news its CNN specifically

1:44:36 that Trump is now calling out. Am I correct? Well, he does call them out yes He never really calls out MSNBC No no never does It's only CNN So Jim Acosta you know had everyone yelling CNN sucks oh boy i'm so scared and then I've been in these situations it's not that scary and these people weren't mad and ready to lynch you But April Ryan certainly thought so, and she was on with Don Lemon and they had a very thoughtful convo about it. I'm sure this is very different... Do you sit in that room again as i said the most esteemed podium uh in the world? The most esteemed podium in the world really?!

1:45:15 I can think of some, you know how about the Oscar stage? Would that be more esteemed or is this is this the one Do you just sit there and say I cannot believe That someone is standing here lying to the American media in the American people or yes Like them do you it's a real to sit there every day because it's surreal Why go in Because she's with the go in she's with the black national broadcasters Association wait what is going in for which this a bunch of just lie lie because What's the point I can say? I don't need a hamburger. Tell you why I'll tell you why Woodward and Bernstein, and this is a way that the Journos who do not go into war-torn areas can still say that they're in danger every day of their lives

1:46:07 That's what this is about. We're in danger too back at home, it's dangerous here. Do the American media and the American people or trying to guess like that? Is it surreal for you to sit there every day because it's a real John I'm going to say this to you today when she said that I couldn't believe when she was talking about how we get leaked information as the press we don't just walk into an office and open files and take leaked information and report Our sources are giving it to us Giving it to us willingly because they're whistleblowers Hold on a second now. She's saying that these anonymous sources are whistleblowers

1:46:51 Well, she started off with a performative. Why would a reporter use a performative by saying you're asking me a question? I'm a reporter and say well i'm going to say this to you that's exactly what she said That's a performative which may not be what she believes but that is just what she says to you Yeah, I am going to say this to you and then she says something which could be...I don't know it's just what she gonna say It has nothing to do with anything necessarily So why is she doing that? And for her to assume or to say that we are just gathering it and we're wrong, no. She's not...she's changing the facts and if you want to say she's lying, she's lying um..and I agree with that It was shameful today That podium is no place to play You don't play with words, you don't play with moments Everything comes from White House from Waterpiece and everything in between Thats a serious moment in a serious place And Jim Acosta's life

1:47:43 in my opinion, was in jeopardy that night. There was a safety issue. It was a safety issue? And you know she gets run out of the hen house a couple weeks ago and get Secret Service detail. That wasn't a safety issue?! We don't have secret service detail. That's what I'm saying and this president...this president President Donald J Trump has stoked the flames for reporters to feel like they are in jeopardy, their lives. Their safety is in jeopardy. Their lives are in jeopardy at these rallies and something has got to stop. She gets taxpayer funded security for something that she stokes but yet it's okay its freedom of speech for us It is not right and I talked to Ari Fleischer former White House Press Secretary under George W Bush and we had our back-and-forth quite a bit you know

1:48:36 and forth with even Robert Gibbs. But it never, it was always a friendly adversarial situation. It was never personal this has now gone beyond politics This is gone into life. Life! This has gone into changing lives. LIFE! Here's the thing that I have to say tha-a couple things here number one we don't bring up bring... And this is Don the serious intellectual Don I really like his, well there are a couple of things here and April got my glasses on so you should take me kind of serious as the overnight sensation begrudge her security or anyone who has secrets Apparently they need it and many journalists need it now because of what this president in this administration. I'm raising my hand, I am one of those. A lot of us are. Everybody needs security a lot of us are we all know hello security you know it started with locker up you know build the wall and all these... Build the wall? How is that bad to your security

1:49:31 Lock her up. That's not bad for journalists unseemly chance and now it's CNN sucks It's not about but I don't think Trump ever started any of those he encourages them I don't think he started Of course, why would you shut that down? CNN is just about the behavior like they're sitting as though CNN is whining because Stop this thing for a second first of all she's bitching about the security dang You know, you know Sarah gets the only press woman in the world ever to have to have Secret Service because of the nut balls out there that you guys have stoked. Let's don't get into that and definitely don't want to discuss it. Hey, CNN is a huge operation they can afford to put a detail on this guy if is that important? Yeah I'm sure they do. You got money? I'm sure they do

1:50:22 Yeah, they got plenty of money. They can put a detail on this guy if he's really under some sort of...they don't have to worry about it or they could take him off that assignment and maybe put somebody else there. There are plenty of people. This guy from the looks of his wiki page is not no big thing What's how are the ratings for CNN? Are they completely in the crapper or are they okay. Yeah, they're no good in the crapper So that so this is Jeff Zucker's idea of a ratings bonanza perhaps They're talking about it like MH 13 your damage 370 whatever it was now. I mean yeah missing one You know build a wall and all of these unseemly chance and now its CNN sucks It's not about

1:51:03 CNN. Is this about the... Yeah, yeah it is! What do you mean? It's about CNN no one's chanting MSNBC sucks they're only saying CNN should be clue Lock her up You know build a wall and all of these unseemly chants and now it's CNN sucks. It's not about CNN. It's just about the behavior like you're sitting as though CNN is whining because they said it about any other network or any of the other person in the crowd, or any other entity we would be having this conversation because this is supposed to be a dignified respectful place to do the American people. And you listen to these guys go at each other? This dignified, are you kidding me when they have these 10 people and they have what's-her-name that one woman that real...the Cuban woman who just claims to be a Republican? Anna Navarro. Navarro! She is though...that's dignified?! Are you kidding me? Rob Reiner pretty dignified I think the way he came across let's

1:52:03 Well, let's finish this up to seven seconds supposed to be a dignified respectful Things aren't don't become dignified because you say You say it with you. Say it like instead of saying dignified like we said you signify It's actually patronizing I think Dignified We would be having this conversation Because yeah This is supposed to be a dignified respectful place to do the American people's business. And he says what you're reading and hearing, what you're seeing or whatever it's not true and so further stoking that." Yeah... Or maybe he just disagrees with your facts So let's hear from the man himself He has a very interesting concept Journos unite! First of all let me speak on behalf my CNN colleagues in knowing that no one ever called

1:52:56 called for the press secretary to be choked or harassed from this network, number one. And number two why can't this White House acknowledge that the media is not the enemy of the people? Because they said CNN fake news CNN is the enemy of the people. Sadly Brooke I think what you saw happen here at the end of that briefing was uh... the true feelings of the president the true feelings of many of the people who work in this administration laid bare. They believe, it appears in their heart of hearts that the journalists who cover this White House, the journalists who work in this city, who were just trying a few moments ago to hold some of these officials accountable about attacks on our democracy. That people here who work at this White House all the way up to the President evidently believe that journalists are the enemy of the people

1:53:51 Literally the enemy of the people. I know now as journalists, they go from CNN to the media to journalists. I heard this by the way and I was very annoyed by it. I'm listening to the radio and they have that hour news break in at CBS. CBS News on the hour. And the guy says he's talking about some brouhaha and we know the president said that the media is the enemy They just make that quote out of the blue. And I'm thinking, they're just... The whole complex is trying to pound this home. Now here's the problem they have the way I see it. Yeah he didn't say that, but even if you claim that he did say it and you keep pounding that he said it and he said it how is this helping you?

1:54:41 You got lousy numbers in public opinion polls, the media does. The mass media, the big boys, the M5Ms... you've got lousy numbers. The president's saying bad things about CNN and your taking it on as they're saying bad things about you so you created this quote that the media is the enemy. And journalists and now journalists, and the president is the one no matter who he is it could be anybody who leads this kind of the social norms of a country you're making yourself the enemies. This is madness! The way up to the president evidently believes

1:55:17 that journalists are the enemy of the people. Literally, the enemy of the people." Literally the enemy! Let's double down! Journalists... You should call your Lib Joes. Hey you better move I know where you are. You're the enemy of the people! And, uh...I gave Sarah, as you saw there Except for Ivanka Trump and I tried to pose that question to say, listen The president's daughter, his own daughter said no She doesn't think that we- Can you imagine someone in a business argument with you or maybe an editor? And saying to you Listen Dvorak Your OWN DAUGHTER DOESN'T EVEN THINK THE WAY YOU DO How would you respond to that Yeah

1:56:08 Yeah, okay. You're the enemy and you saw it unfold there I was given or I was giving Sarah several opportunities there to set the record straight And she just flat refused and I think what you can obviously see is that she's taken a lot of what? She's experienced very personally. I don't I don't I don't blame her for that my goodness She has taken on a lot but at the same time she also has come up here to this podium on a regular basis and continue to tell the American people, you know provable falsehoods lies so on and unfortunately our job as journalists says you know Brooke is... That podium more lies have taken place at that podium throughout history than any other place. This what happens

1:57:02 It's big lie, it's of course propaganda. Go for Tompkin baby! He hasn't pulled that stunt yet Not yet We have to call that stuff out we have to fact check them we're fact-checkers in real time Fact Checkers In Real Time John! That's your radio John Hi everybody I'm Jim Acosta Fact Checker in Real Time I tell my business card how you doing? Hey hey! You want some beetle? How ya doin' like this and so on. And unfortunately, you know our job as journalists as you know Brooke is we have to call that stuff out We have to fact check them were fact-checkers in real time dealing with this president because he tells falsehoods and lies so much You know it's unfortunate the position that we're all in right now

1:57:46 And I'm standing in this briefing room right now. There is no government official here, but i'll say That the press is not the enemy of the people and you know that's not I mean that wasn't in the question Jim Acosta Oh, I think you know maybe we should make some bumper stickers Let's take some notes here hold on a second there's some stuff We need to do John your journal are you adjourned? I should mention the Newseum out of sight of Washington DC had a t-shirt for sale saying you're fake that they had to take out of the museum store. You're fake? Yeah, as in fake news is a newseum is the newseum. Yes yeah no I'm familiar with the Newseum but it's not even funny

1:58:37 No, it's not funny but it was a shirt that they were selling for some unknown reason and some journalist came in and said wait a minute we don't want these shirts out about and about. Well, apparently bumper stickers are the way to go and this is where Acosta makes a very feeble attempt to rally journos from coast-to-coast. That the press is not the enemy of the people and you know I think maybe we should make some bumper stickers make some buttons You know maybe we should go out on Pennsylvania Avenue like these folks who chant CNN sucks and fake news Maybe we should go out all journalists. We should go out on Pennsylvania Avenue and chant, were not the enemy of the people

1:59:24 Yeah, that's gonna work. We're not the enemy of the people we're not the enemy of people I mean how can you make a chant out of it two four six eight who do we appreciate? We're not the enemy of the people That doesn't well that doesn't want to be try some other one Mike check Mike check Mike check Okay No We want it down! When do we want it? We want it now, not the enemy of the people. I don't know Jim give me the bumper sticker what's on the bumper sticker It's gonna be across my entire bumper if CNN is not the enemy of the people nor are journos or journalists and free press freedom rules dot-com

2:00:10 Okay, good idea Jim. Because I'm tired of this honestly Brooke. It is not right it is not fair it is not just it is un-American to come out here and call the press the enemy of the people. And Ivanka Trump knows that! I don't know why... Ivanka Trunk is a, Trunk? Ivanka Trunk is a dumb ditz one day these guys in an action she's she so obviously genius she understands what is she her father does your mind and I don't know why this press secretary doesn't I mean she got yelled at at a restaurant Virginia I'm sorry about that I feel badly for her that happened

2:00:52 Uh, and then a comedian I correspond to sinners. Get the whole story. Yeah well it's a lie. It's a lie. Lie. Lie. We're fact checking in real time here that's a lie Jim Acosta doesn't think she got yelled at she just got kicked out. She got hounded! Hounded! They followed her family. They hounded her to lie, to lie, to lie, lie. And I don't know why this press secretary doesn't...I mean she got yelled at in a restaurant in Virginia and I'm sorry about that. I feel badly for her that happened. That's actually Jim conflating two different events Yeah, yeah. No sir I never got yelled at Good work Giorno! Lie! You lied! Fact check false! Lie lie!

2:01:41 on a regular basis. It would be nice if we all... Why don't you go to Reddit and see what they say about me, douche? ...lowered the temperature a little bit but at the very least I think we should all be able to agree on one thing and that is the press is not the enemy of the people fellow Americans are not the enemy of fellow Americans Oh now it's... Tell that to Rob Reiner We've taken it down to fellow Americans now So it's gone from fake news, fake news CNN, CNN journalists, journos... American people. On a regular basis

2:02:22 It would be nice if we all lowered the temperature a little bit, but at the very least I think we should all be able to agree on one thing and that is the press is not the enemy of the people. Fellow Americans are not the enemy of fellow Americans and you know forgive me for going on a rant but I think that they've lost sight of that here at this White House. Let's say amen. Uh, forgive me if I went on a rant here. That's the whole reason you're there Jim! Jim Acosta Well, fine. I'll wrap this up with some serious hate and it's serious because it's from NPR so we always know that they're very serious This is once again the weekly news rundown Jack Beatty has got to be my favorite guy and having just watched the movie based upon your recommendation as an apropos clip...I watched The Death of Stalin and I liked it very much thank you for that Reko

2:03:18 Thank you for that, I'm glad i gave the RECCO. Yeah the RECCO was groovy it was not...you said its a comedy but it is indeed a very British comedy where just everything is almost like a Monty Python sketch in a way. You know what I mean? Michael Palin was in it Well yeah that would have something to do with But you know what I mean? It's not like laughing out loud hilariously, like a stand-up. Oh no it was very...it was...I don't even know what to call it. It wasn't a laugh out loud comedy even though there were some laugh out loud moments, a couple Usually where they're shooting somebody. But... What did he say? Oh, no more list! Oh sorry or how about when Stalin is dead and he's crapped his pants in a coma and pissed everywhere And everybody keeps kneeling in it like oh jeez No one wants to touch him because there's pee everywhere I mean that was comedically funny I thought that was very good

2:04:18 But also historically, it's interesting to watch this movie just to kind of see what the Stalin period was about from one particular viewpoint. Kind of a little I would say over-compressed history left a lot...I mean there is tons of stuff that wasn't discussed because I ended up reading about all these guys and Beria wasn't just taken out and summarily shot in the head as they're dragging him out! He actually went to an actual trial and then they shot him in the head. Right, anyway so I just brought up Stalin because it's in this clip yeah here's Jack Beattie we're back to The Weekend Hating Trump So it was interesting at the podium yesterday at the White House Sarah Sanders speaking about this she said quote the media has attacked me personally on a number of occasions including

2:05:05 Your Own Network, here she's speaking about CNN. When I hosted the Correspondents Association there was a comedian there who talked about attacking her appearance and called her a traitor to her gender In fact Jack Beattie is the first press secretary in history of the US that has required Secret Service protection So there she is Sarah Sanders saying you know they're two sides to this story here Yes, but the Washington Post looks at her claims and on the comedian. They point out that the journalists themselves were alarmed and expressed dismay over the comedian's comments. And on other things that Sarah brought up, you know the best they could point to would be comments someone made on cable television which were taken at least as The Post lays it out wildly out of context to allow Sarah

2:06:01 moment of self-pity. You know, this phrase, enemies of the people? It's a Stalinist phrase. Nikita Khrushchev denounced it in his 1956 secret speech to the Communist Party, where he was making a sort of putting the sins of Stalinism out. And he said this that the phrase enemies of the people quote was specifically introduced for the purpose of physically annihilating those who disagreed with Stalin physically annihilating. It is a blood-soaked phrase and to apply it to reporters and into the media in a year when we have seen after all journalists killed for being journalists, is playing with fire I think we need to add to the Trump rotation worse than Stalin

2:06:57 Well, I don't know if that's any different than Hitler. But okay... Maybe? Well but specifically with this enemy of the people Yeah you're probably right because it has been coming up. I heard the Stalin thing much before so it has been coming up and maybe in the rotation. I'll have to pull that out and make a change It is online What's online? The list Oh! Is it what's called Trump Rotation? Well its under Cosmic Weenie I'm just gonna see how that works so well Trump rotation hmm Cosmic cosmic weenie slash trump rotation dot HTM That would be one guess Okay, let's see Trump wrote Haitian HTM you don't even know what it is. Yeah, I forgot Well write this down and all map a URL to it

2:08:02 The map URL baby. It's trump underlined flaws dot htm But that's not that's not the name of it. It what this? Get but get good, but good bugaboo That is what is called on this. This is the name of his file I'm just yeah, I can change it okay have it here well. I don't see Stalin on this No, I said Hitler's on there we had to put Stalin on it. Yeah, yeah, and that's a nice list oh Yeah, it's a good list. Why is criminal highlighted and emboldened? Oh that's no the criminal thing is that's a different category in all those underneath oh okay I see oh It's a category when did you stop doing this page

2:08:48 Like, why are there no blink tags? It needs it. I think you could do a... You could do a... Blink tags, I believe are illegal nowadays. Uh-huh! No the blink tag and marquee is... I don't think so Yes, marquee. Marquee is also... Marquee that would be good Yeah, marquee we can have these just scrolling by on the page Very nice Alright Anyway that's an HTM page what do you want? That's the best part dot htm I don't know why you find this so amusing Also, Windows hacks use the HTM. Anyway I have a series of clips and we have time before the next break Well not really can we do it after the break? We could! Let's do that!

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2:27:11 It's about Twitter and poop. No, on Twitter is the one that is responsible for the poop outbreak Oh well good they are? I said this a couple years ago They're the ones who demanded to get these public toilets off the streets I thought it was the plastic bags that were banned Well, that's and that turns out to be a secondary issue. But they had these public toilets and they're all around some of them were near Twitter and there are so many bums hanging around Twitter they said yeah maybe we get rid of the toilet so I'll get rid of the bums And neither one happened They got rid of the toilets but didn't get rid of the bums and now you've got poop all over the place Well this is chopped up from an NPR report

2:27:50 I believe. And Twitter wants to build two employee cafeterias, which as you know has come under fire in Mountain View. Was that Facebag? Who was it? Yes, Facebag. It's about the free food and it's not stimulating or supporting the local economy because all these rich Rich Googlers or face baggers or Twitters. They're all sitting there eating their free food and it's bad It's bad for the neighborhood bad for economy And well, here's just a couple of quotes from this little back-and-forth from the panel Here's Nellie Bowles most businesses say the biggest challenge for them is street crime is the The sorry state of San Francisco streets and and so cost of security and then cost of that's the real Financial challenge that they're confronting

2:28:41 Security. It's not just poop, John! It's security! Get out of this city!! We've got a major problem on the streets especially in mid-market and UN Plaza and Civic Center it's a heroin den of activity The Symphony has to have a shuttle to bring people in the evenings from Bart three blocks to the symphony hall that's what's driving business away from Mid Market Street it's not a couple upstairs cafeterias for a few thousand people we've added We've added 70,000 people in seven years. There are plenty of customers in San Francisco for restaurants, for stores, for a vibrant evening.

2:29:27 and daytime street life if we clean up our streets. Oh, okay! There's plenty of people... Let me bring our collars on. I'm sorry. Plenty of people to make it up whether Twitter eats in-house or not We just have to clean up the streets and yes there are issues with the poop John. Let me bring our collars on and let's go. I think we have Kane on now. Kane are you there? I'm still here. How's it going? It's going okay now that i hear your voice, go ahead! Great...I work downtown and my office doesn't have a cafeteria so we have to go out but it's so bad out there that it's basically dangerous to step outside and to go get food sometimes we'll just have to order lunch and have it delivered so we can avoid you know people matter on the street then crazy people throwing stuff at you

2:30:15 Hey Austin, here's what you have to look forward to. And then there was just one funny bit that one of our producers... Yes Austin people throwing stuff at ya. I told you that some some wasn't a while ago this is one there's one homeless guy and he definitely has mental issues and he was eating out of the garbage can and i wanted to bring him some food that i had left over it you know the styrofoam box and i just approached him coming up say hey and he looked me get away You're a pedophile, get away! Like holy shit bro. It was you know that's... That kind of problem on the street people need help Well they're not gonna get it And there was just one funny little flub in this Talking mainly about Square Titter Twitter Facebook and Square Titter

2:31:09 He couldn't get the name right. Talking mainly about Square Titter, Twitter... Square Titter! Squitter, titters, square... Talking mainly about Square Titter... Square Titter? He does it, he says, Square Titter. Talking mainly about Square Titter, Twitter and Facebook and Google Think you want to say four square probably he's so out of it. I don't think anyone uses for any more I'm the mayor, I'm the mayor of poop ville Oh Man I can't wait can't wait to see it happen here oh, it's going to mm-hmm

2:31:51 Uh, you had a sequence of clips you wanted to do. I have a whole sequence of clips and partly because this is one of those things where my interpretation is pretty shallow...I don't really have- I don't know what's going on quite And I think it would be good to listen to your thoughts on it from a fresh perspective. Something's going on definitely though this guy Chulov, of a writer for the Guardian managed to how he managed to do this when I can't even get an interview with certain people that live nearby Got an interview with bin Laden's mom

2:32:30 Yeah, I saw this yeah and he He appeared on CBS n and CBS n. I listened to a lot now because it's like this It's done by that Rina or whatever her name is very good newsreader And sharp and CBS n is like the evening news except they don't have these time constraints only online It's only online. Yeah, and it goes video or just audio. I've never video oh cool And it goes on and they go on this, and they take these stories that would normally be a two you know like ten second clip in the in-and-out. You're in an out here next door. Yeah okay that's good. They let it roll. Do they have ads? Do they interrupt the programming for ads? Curiously not! Huh... Red is a herring

2:33:17 Something's up. But let's play this and you get a little feeling for it by the, what I'm looking for is why is this happening in the first place? This guy's obviously MI6 or some other intelligence agency. The true love guy? Yeah. And when you see him and look at him and listen to them he's just very... He's a little too slick for being just some slouch journalist This is the Bin Laden interview, one. Osama bin Laden's mother Aliya Ghanim has spoken for the first time she recently talked with reporter Martin Chulov in an exclusive interview for The Guardian. Bin Laden of course was a mastermind behind 9-11 attacks that left thousands dead he was killed by US Navy SEALS in 2011

2:34:04 And the Guardian's Martin Tulip joins me now from Beirut. Martin, what exactly did Bin Laden's mother have to say about her son? Well she described in great detail about his childhood she said he was an engaging pious studious child somebody who loved her very much somebody who was a mentor to his younger brothers and sister, and somebody who was basically the love of her life. He lost his way according to her at university where he went from being a pious young devoted Muslim lad to being as somebody who is deeply into fundamentalist zealotry

2:34:42 You know so much of this article it feels like she blamed other people that he was brainwashed and that's really why he Became the person. He did you also spoke to other members have been London family Do they share that same opinion there were two brothers two half-brothers in the room, and they were quite emphatic about Osama was the master of his own destiny. Yes, he did fall in with the Muslim Brotherhood while at university but he chose the path that he later took they said that when they saw these harrowing images of the Twin Towers in New York and the Pentagon burning him in Washington They understood instinctively that it was their brother who was responsible for it

2:35:19 They'd warned him many times that he was on a path to ruin, not just for himself but for the family. And their reflections were far less emotional than that of their mother. They said he was a man who chose his path and he had caused great stress and harm for the family for the last 17 years. In university? Well, this is interesting because when I first heard about the story and the way people were reporting on it they The mom supposedly made it clear that it was the Saudi universities in particular that ruined him That would make sense if you understand where the hijackers came from

2:35:58 And he left that part out, even though it was implied if you listen to the whole thing. Yeah, he was in Saudi Arabia but he never said what university and a lot of Saudis go to American universities. A lot of them go to British universities so that was I found that to be like a clue to whatever. Let's play part two, pretty remarkable Martin here you say that the brothers knew right away that when they saw the twin towers coming down that it was bin Laden and how are they so certain? It was interesting. I pressed them on this and there was a lot of looking at their feet. So it was a very hard thing for them to confront On one hand, this interview was almost cathartic for them but on the other hand it was very painful because they'd never spoken publicly and they were aware of the ramifications of their words. So as best I could press them on this there was a moment

2:36:48 deep reflection, deep shock, deep sadness and deep anger almost all blended into one when they were called to the television on September 11 2001 and witnessed what was taking place. They knew that this was the culmination of a lifelong journey towards radicalization that their formerly beloved elder brother had taken Bin Laden's mom hasn't spoken in years. Why do you think she agreed to sit down and do this interview? It was a process of negotiations that went on for about 10 months, and the state is authoritarian as Saudi Arabia. We need to have buy-in from the state, we did ask for permission. That took a long time to come, then we had to approach the family. I think the families' motivations were

2:37:32 twofold. Firstly, there was an element of we need to restore some sense of legitimacy not just in Saudi society but perhaps in globalized as well. They are a very powerful family, very well connected in Saudi Arabia. The bin Laden clan basically built a lot of the country. They're deeply woven into the establishment. But there's a second factor too and that is that the three older bin Laden brothers were locked up by the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman last year and accused of being involved in widespread grafts. So, the family have the stigma of Osama and now they have the fact that the three brothers were in prison to deal with as well And they are looking on some level to restore some leverage or patronage with the House of Saud

2:38:18 So as I'm listening to this, before that last bit came in about the part of the family members being locked up by the Saudi prince. I was thinking, what changed? Well what changed is you know the previous ruler of the the previous prince king of Saudi Arabia died. Old Papa Bush died and he was best friends with along with George W., with Prince Bandar who was implicated in a lot of this stuff. Papa Bush is still alive Okay, what am I thinking? I don't know what you're thinking. But...I'm from the future! I'm sorry that put that out there. Oh my God check the news feed Barbara Bush is dead. Yes. You know maybe she's just like hey let me out these a-hole Saudis for the real perpetrators because they throw them at they you know they ruined my one kid

2:39:18 They threw the other ones in jail and this, you know we should expose the Saudis for what they are. Maybe a mom's revenge possibly? No it doesn't sound right for Saudi culture for a mom to have revenge but let's go to part three because I'm saying as you I kind of baffled by this whole thing and then when he gets to this couple little short clips at the very end where he talks about stuff that wasn't in his article It gets even more interesting You write about how the mother and the family members were able to see bin Laden at one point. Why do you think it is that the family was able to see him, and for so long Western intelligence couldn't find him? That's very interesting they saw him twice in 1999 in Kandahar at the airport in a base that the Russians used to run

2:40:04 It must be borne in mind was more than a year after the attacks on the US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and also the missile strike that President Clinton ordered on bases in Kandahar and Kabul that were run by al-Qaeda. A year after that, the family were able to find their man but Western intelligence couldn't. Now I find it difficult to believe that the Saudi leadership at the time didn't know that the family were going to visit Osama and I do believe there was a message passed on him they didn't acknowledge But I think that would have been part of the consideration at the time. You go and tell him something for us, and we'll let you go and come back." Nothing happens without them knowing and being aware especially when Western intelligence are looking for them. Do you believe that Saudis were in cahoots with the Bin Laden family?

2:40:55 In the Afghanistan years, I think it's very clear. This is the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan that there was extensive support from the state of Saudi Arabia for the Afghan Mujahideen and Osama bin Laden was front and center especially towards the end years at occupation I don't think that's in any real dispute. Beyond that, though there has been a dispute led by claimants of victims of 9-11 that the House of Saad was directly involved in the lead up and preparation of 9-11 and Osama bin Laden rather than being an outcast

2:41:35 was an agent. That's something that we've looked at for many years, I must say that premise was not reinforced by speaking to the family and certainly not through discussions I've had in the lead up both with former Saudi officials current officials and Western officials It is totally clear that Saudi Arabia over the last 38 year exported a form of the faith global jihad, but I'm not yet convinced that there is any direct causal link between them and bin Laden and them in 9-11. Is there a movie coming out maybe? That would be a good reason for this we haven't been catching that enough have to say... I just looked at didn't see anything for Osama Bin Laden movie

2:42:24 The Soviet occupation, by the way as I've been looking into it over the last six months was very sketchy insofar as it being an occupation. And I'm going to write a long newsletter essay about this probably the next few months Because this is the period of time where some, it wasn't a communist but some socialist guys had actually gotten voted in democratically to take over the place and they were dictatorial in a lot of ways. And they had modernized Afghanistan. This was in the seventies and We saw them, the Americans intelligence group saw them as communists and it was just part of the this is the era of the I guess maybe in late 60s. This was the era of the domino theory and so that's why we got involved... Wait what was a domino theory? Oh the domino theory which one of the reasons we had the Vietnam War is that if one country falls to communism then communism would go all the way down the line. Yeah they'd be flipping around next thing you know Hawaii would be communist

2:43:27 Yep, so we We are the ones that when we saw that Afghanistan turned socialist. We sit were the ones who sent our boys in there to counter this thing And that's where he trained that we trained them move jahdeen yes ourselves To kind of undermine the government and the Soviets Who thought this was great that they were a bunch of these in this new country They could probably come under their umbrella they had to go in and to kind of save the government. And the funny thing is, and this is the reason I want to write about this for the newsletter, that era where they keep showing these pictures, you know Afghanistan 1971, Afghanistan today and they show these happy-go-lucky coeds walking down the street in Afghanistan. Yeah looking all groovy! Women all in these... That was bullcrap

2:44:20 There was no moment like that. That whole moment was all staged by the socialists who were trying to modernize the country, like overnight Really? So those pictures of cute girls in bobby socks at the time...that that was not true? It's propaganda And so all these people that do that comparison are really missing the point because if you go just one year before that government was elected into office and just look at even the postage stamps, you see these women they're all covered up and the whole thing is no difference than there is today. Although it probably was less brutal back then in the day, maybe not. But the whole thing was propaganda and then we've kind of covered it up and we make them to stories about the occupation all the rest of it is nonsense that the whole story about Afghanistan as bull crap but what surprises there are there now so anyway now he starts to talk I got this part just called Part 2 Intro 1 The True Love Guy brings us some new information and maybe this has something to do why as to why

2:45:25 This interview in the Guardian and why this interview here on CBS? Why it maybe has something to do with it. We're creating a new guy You know bin Laden's son has been designated a global terrorist by the US Do they know where he is and does the Bin Laden family even address him at all wait a minute What exactly is being said there bin laden son yeah, I don't know any of this Do you know this no bin laden son has been designated a global terrorist Which one? And they don't know, just one particular son. They name him in the second part of this clip. They name him it's like I didn't know anything about this kid they had a picture of them too. Like a picture Oh yes! Of him sitting down on his chair. I did see the picture No he wasn't sitting in his chair. There was a picture of him and

2:46:18 I didn't know any of this. I think, because this is CBS remember? Which is you know CIA broadcasting system there's your answer right there thank you should have mentioned that in the beginning I didn't know it was on CBS Yeah, okay. CBSN! I made a big discussion about CBSN... Oh yeah, of course, CBSN you did alright? I wasn't-I didn't connect it good good good Now so let's think that maybe they're trying to get a new enemy that we can like be bitching and moaning about shaking our fist over like we do with Bin Laden for the whole George Bush era You know they never caught the guy right and they're shaking their fists the whole time But but you know what that means? Yeah, but that means we need uh.. We need an event

2:47:03 Osama Bin Laden wasn't interesting until we had an event. I don't know if we really need one now, because maybe we do need an event... It's event carryover? He has a spare change that carries over to the Sun? Oh! That's interesting. Yeah it could be. Let's hear about him. You know bin Laden son has been designated a global terrorist by the US Do they know where he is and does the bin laden family even address him at all They did talk about Hamza bin Laden, who is the heir apparent to Osama according to The Half Brothers. He has said that he will step up and avenge his father's death and it does appear that he has committed his young life to doing that There was some talk last year that he was in Pakistan I don't think thats likely, i think its more likely Afghanistan where he is effectively deputy to Ayman al-Zawahiri who was Osama's deputy

2:47:59 Al-Qaeda. He's maintaining a very low profile, the family say plausibly that they have had no contact from him whatsoever. They did say and this is something that I didn't have space to publish but they do believe that he has married the daughter of Muhammad Atta who was the lead hijacker in 9 11 so what would says that the alumni remains very viable and very real even at 17 years after the fact. Fascinating point, Martin Shulabh fascinating interview thank you so much for joining us on CBSN to bring this to us. Now a couple of things about his last commentary there when he starts talking about just before it starts talking about the marriage to Muhammad Atta's daughter yes he starts swallowing maniacally

2:48:55 Which to me may be a tell that this is like some scripted thing, which the whole thing is. But he's all of a sudden starts swallowing maniacally I mean he swallow swallow swallows and it becomes noticeable on the audio And so this whole thing...the only reason I played all these clips because there's something going on here and This is an intro to it. This is the early...I think you're right yeah but But is it a salvo to this Hemsi bin Laden character, this new guy? Also if this guy was such an obvious you know the bin Laden kid how come he wasn't buried by a drone like the American Kid. You know, Milwaukee's 16 year old son who is not blown up. Right right. Which makes me say wait a minute

2:49:50 Why was didn't that happen to this guy if he's so important, but now all of a sudden He's emerging and he said he's gonna avenge his father. We probably never saw I mean this whole thing is just really stinks well I like that you've I like the you caught it because I Saw an article about it or some reference to it And I did not go and read it and which is interesting by itself that I wouldn't want to go I was just dying I was doing something else But his name is Hamza. Hamzah bin Laden, so he wants to avenge his father's death I like that Well it could if indeed if this is a setup from the Central Intelligence Broadcasting Network service network you know there could be something being set up to distract too but yeah I don't say that I mean everything's going So well with the Russia stuff. I mean what else do they need?

2:50:46 Well, maybe they think so far ahead is possible. I don't personally think this is true but it might be that there did... This is just early stage so you can't... So doesn't come out of the blue. Oh yeah no we do remember that? Yeah they've talked about this some above about 10 years ago You know, we've been talking about this guy for a while. Like I mean bin Laden was on the scene he was on the radar quite a bit yeah yeah so maybe there's that maybe this kid is working for one of the agencies? I would guess MI6 but it could be anyone But then it would only be to... well I still think we need to keep the Saudi thing in there The Saudi thing is important I'm not sure why but it feels like where's Q when you need him

2:51:30 Yeah, Q's not giving us anything. It's the only way we'll be able to figure it out Well let's see if he drops anything about it and that's it I got a call time John That was a nice little end of show package Looking for some bread crumbs Yes right follow the rabbit And that concludes our broadcast for today August 5th August 5th 2018 Of course, we will return on Thursday with another episode of your best podcast in the universe. The No Agenda Show until then coming to you from downtown Austin Texas capital of the drone star state in FEMA region number six in the five by nine Cluedio and the common law condo In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley where I notice that throughout this show except at the very beginning We managed to avoid the word binge

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