Chuck Hole

00:00 Oh, it's children! Adam Curry. John C. DeVore Act. And Sunday June 17th 2018 this is your award-winning Give My Nation Media Assassination episode 1043 This is no agenda Kids in cages and broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state here in downtown Austin Tejas In the Clunio in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I'm wishing everybody a happy Father's Day I'm John C. DeVore Act Well yes indeed in the morning and happy Father's Day to you same to you Have you had a nice father's day so far? I just got up more crap Here's a question for you for this from one podcaster to another Did the kids wake daddy up at 6 a.m.. For his work with a nice breakfast in bed, oh

00:58 No. I got a short vision of that myself, yeah. Didn't think that would happen. Do you think I've ever had breakfast in bed from the kids? That's not a Father's Day thing it's a Mother's Day thing I guess Yeah I think so because I think the dads say get out of here try to get some sleep Hey! Get out of here But uh...the kids are there or they dropping by Everybody's well kind of like Jesse and JC Had to go to Michigan to attend the funeral of Jesse's dad who died. Yeah, I saw that on the Instagrams. That's sad. It sucks. They post it on the Instagram? Oh yeah! No it was a beautiful picture of...I presume her dad and Theodorable. Theodorbs And it was an I'll miss you Dad so..and there were alot of rip loving lights in the comments

01:54 Yeah, yeah people don't know who they are never heard of them but Rip love and light. Yeah anyway I got my text this year. I got a text says we're no longer on social nets I'm not really on Instagram. I don't post anything. I don't look there rarely Maybe twice a week so I just get a text now love you daddy okay? Guess when your kid's nearing 30, doesn't make any d-does it matter to you? It was kind of a bit much. Yeah I was like uh... Look we know- Well I'll tell ya it was a big much for our listeners the last time I'm doing either mother's day I thought they all hated their mom but they hated their dad too. They just hate their parents! This is a shit generation. Unbelievable. Guess what your kids hate you people We have proof, we have scientific peer reviewed evidence

02:41 In general, kids don't really care about their parents. It's one of the lowest turnouts for our donations of the year. In fact, over the last two years it's that bad. You'll see when we read this. Somehow, this dovetails into parents being separated from their kids at the border—I'm not quite sure how but somehow there's... maybe these parents don't… maybe these kids they're happy! Like hey I finally separated from those douchebags. Hey finally my parents are dragging me all over Mexico to get me here and then yeah. Independence finally! This was a great topic

03:20 And I gotta say, when it comes to the rotation. It's this topic in itself is kids in cages and ripping families apart tearing children from their parents. It has all kinds of stuff. Michael Hayden, the former... What was Hayden? The torturer? He's all for kids sure he is. Wait a minute but he was former CIA correct? Yeah and NSA and torturer So he posts a picture on social nets on tweets And it says yeah there have been other governments who separated children from their parents and it's a picture of Auschwitz

04:04 I mean... Sophie's choice comes to mind. Really? I mean, that is whoa! Somebody you know he should I believe he should lay low Yeah because there's gonna be some version of a Nuremberg trial eventually He'll probably be hanging But it's, but this and I don't know if I want to give the back. I did some research on this. By the way, this is some of the best anti-Trump stuff that you did. The Democrats have come up with in there at least this time to just analyze it from an objective perspective. At least this time they're sticking with the playbook, they're not wandering off and moaning and groaning about one thing or another. They are focused on... So what is in play here for those of you… And it really is interesting because

04:55 In this case, Democrats and Republicans and the Trump administration and the media are officially and blatantly abusing children. Just abusing children for political means They don't give a crap about these children. They're only abusing the situation and thus these children so on one hand we have get points yeah, so And you know there's a couple things that have not been deconstructed in the media about what's really going Do you have a background or that? We play first or we just get into it I

05:33 You usually have a background on this stuff. Yeah, you usually have a background... I have long background it's a little... Well let's do it because once we have it then we can really get into it. Okay well this will be- We're gonna go with the best. We'll go with the best. Don, I went into legislation just because of y'know, it was necessary. Oh good. Yeah. I went to the best and done another one that was most anti Trump organization which is NBC. Yes and I put together a three-parter. It's actually longer than it should be, but let's go with the immigration one hit piece. There is growing national outrage tonight over the Trump administration's policy of separating families who cross this country's southern border. Administration officials say they are simply enforcing existing laws meant to discourage illegal immigration. Opponents say the practice is an affront to American values

06:20 It's all happening as a Republican bill is working its way through Congress, A bill that would restrict the practice but also fund the president controversial border wall. We begin our coverage tonight with NBC's Gotti Schwartz who is near the border in California. I'll just briefly pause for second That's how the Trump administration and Republicans are abusing children Is by using this very point Which I think the Democrats have brought into play. Not even sure they did, but they're abusing children for political gain right here. They're building 10 cities near the border a necessary step as Trump administration's hardline immigration policy has had its intended effect thousands of migrants swept up detained after both illegal and legal border crossings many of them children 2000 already separated from their parents in the last six weeks

07:10 housed in a former Walmart or small group homes like this one in San Diego. If the family has both boys and girls as children, then the siblings are separated The girls live in a different facility the boys live here It's not just near the border where you can see this story playing out On a porch in Chicago some 2,000 miles from the Tijuana border crossing where Maritza Delgado entered the US seeking asylum her family now awaits hearing and every day they wait for this call Maritza's 18-year old daughter on the phone, separated from her mother and sisters and detained in California for more than a month. They haven't told her when she might be able to get out or when she might be able to see her mom again The family entered the country with that migrant caravan legally asking for asylum at a US port of entry She says gangs tortured and killed her father They found him in the field and said he had been decapitated

08:01 A return home, they say would be certain death. Attorney General Jeff Sessions said this week fear of gangs is no longer a reason to be granted safe haven here using Bible verse to justify the administration's new immigration practices I would say you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained the government for His purposes. Man, Sessions is high! What is that guy thinking? He's a... he is totally off the rails That is..I mean, of all things to do

08:40 But this wasn't some press thing, was it? He was just talking to a group who would be wanting to hear this. I'm not sure where that came from but NBC and all the networks they have this kind of B-roll room and they just randomly take stuff from the campaign You're so right It's almost like the instant replay room at big NFL games You know, there's a whole separate truck. That's all they do all day is get the replays rack them up Get the great spots put in the teller straight or all that stuff That's what they must have at NBC for this kind of stuff for b-roll Yeah They just find all these old things and that's why they keep bringing you know They keep constantly bringing an old Trump quotes from like the campaign

09:25 Yeah, and it's just and they're all random. There's no real this just put there to for effect It's like a it's like a rim shot They kind of taken you know from us or we do yeah exactly You know any collusion that kind of stuff? Yeah We do it but we do it for different reasons doing it the bamboozled the public He said that when did he say he said that oh, yeah No, I think they're on to a winner here. By the way, I also really like that voiceover. That voice over was a little different for NBC. They were giving it... Let me just rack it up again. There is growing national outrage tonight with the Trump administration's... So they're giving this kind of extra hush-hush like you are watching something really...

10:15 You know, like really evil taking place? Hold on. Where is this guy? Here we go. Yeah I didn't notice it but now that you mention it's done for effect It's fantastic! Yeah a little nuance there. The guy sounds like he's breaking some news and he's... I'm breaking this, you know. Who knows? Really! The 18-year old daughter's been separated from her mother. And by the way according to the law which i am pretty well versed in now uh... eighteen is the cutoff point so eighteen you're treated as an adult at the border yeah So there's that whatever that story was it was at least partially bullcrap. Eighteen is the legal cutoff where you are treated as an adult at the border

11:08 So that was just disingenuous at best. I don't know even know why they had the Chicago clip in there, I think the guy needed to go to Chicago to buy some sausages or something... Hey boss! I'll do the report from Chicago! Do the report from Chicago? What?! Alright off you go! Why? Yeah, we'll do the report from Chicago All right, let's go.

11:56 And there is nothing better. This has been a No Agenda staple, actually Nothing better than abusing kids in the media. It's been done, remember the... was it not? The Saddam Hussein's Royal Guard who came into the hospital and threw the children out of incubators onto the ground and stomped on them! Yeah Yeah, that was the classic. Well I mean this has been going on forever but yeah and that was all totally bullcrap! It was great theater. Oh won't somebody please think of the children? That's basic. That's been our theme for many many years as long as you can bring children into the equation in a compelling way and just look if you look at Twitter

12:53 Even when someone posts one of these pictures, which is clearly from 2014. You know that's now all widely known. The kids in the cage... Yeah they're from 2014. The kid who was actually to protest but is looking up you know all of these pictures and I've tracked down where some of those come from they actually came from Texas um even though people in those in thread will say hey man this is from 2014 or meh dude thats a mobana! People will do that too. Oh god Yeah, and but they just keep on going you know these horrible people. They'll die in hell they'll hang Yeah, so and that's the abuse you know that's how everyone gets abused by this situation can we go straight into three?

13:35 Yeah. Far from the real world consequences is the red meat of immigration politics. Today, President Trump tweeted Democrats can fix their forced family breakup at the border by working with Republicans on new legislation for a change. This White House video links an alleged gang murder to rules affecting child immigrants. The gang member reportedly entered our country through glaring loopholes for unaccompanied alien minors. One day after he distanced himself from his own administration's zero tolerance policy that triggered the separations

14:16 I hate to see separation of parents and children. The president's strategy is to blame Democrats for blocking passage of immigration reforms and border security, but outcry over the treatment of immigrant children could blow back on Republicans Oklahoma Senator James Langford posted video where he tells a constituent He has a message for the White House keep families together as much as we can possibly keep families together For Republican candidates Immigration is an issue that gets conservative voters to turn out. Build that wall! Build that damn wall! Congressman Dan Donovan has President Trump's endorsement in this month's Staten Island New York primary. Today he also had his lawyers campaign help. You know I represent President Trump? Issues like immigration could determine control of Congress the president's allies like Rudy Giuliani plainly argue the president's fate is on the line

15:14 Let's stop the possibility of a ridiculous impeachment and let's make sure that I don't have to see Nancy Pelosi on television anymore. What? President Trump plans to visit House Republicans Tuesday to talk about strategy for two immigration bills. The more conservative hardline approach is not likely to pass, leaving open the door for a moderate compromise which would address the separation of families would grant legal status to young immigrants known as dreamers and beef up border security it's possible those votes could happen late next week Blake alright

15:51 A couple of things. One, she says Republican strategy is to da-da-da-da-da. She never says Democrat strategy is to do this or that. I mean it's almost glaring that they're just... Well they both have the same strategy win votes by abusing children! They both have the same strategy. That's the base of it but that's not the way she presented it. And it's just, there's a number of things and they have to cause again the Democrats can't focus. They had the dude go into the B room trailer and pull out the clip of Rudy Giuliani saying, let's don't talk about impeachment. I know that was a little off topic. It's off the wall it's right in the middle of this woods got nothing to do with any it's got nothing to do with this main story but they can't resist and so you take that laundry list we have all the Trump

16:43 flaws, and it's just like they can't...they can't just stay focused on this one thing which is I think a winner. But they can't do it! Well they're getting pretty far but the main here's my question and well the question will remain because we don't have the answers who really started this? And it's clear that the zero tolerance policy which is a policy which should always be the policies like me the law is the law you're supposed to follow in enforce the law So, okay you have a zero tolerance policy. Fine I thought you were all about law and order to start with but then to say well because the Democrats put this law in place you know the children are suffering until they fix it meanwhile the Republicans have a bill I think multiple bills going through yeah going through the process which will fix this

17:43 At the same time, it raises 25 or appropriates $25 billion for the wall. So I'm pretty suspicious here that this may not have been a Trump ploy to start with because I don't think he gives a shit... No no no, I'm not so sure John because he really wants- Well maybe maybe not He really wants to get the wall done. And so someone, I think someone came along and said you know here's a way we can do it children. Well that's a Pacharnia, what's his name your buddy Steve? Pachinic? You know that you're... What? Pachinic

18:21 Yeah, Pachenik. It's like the Pachenik thesis you know what? You look like you're doing one thing but you're doing another right now But now let's look at the I just I'm dead I Just not buying it but going well so now let's look at the other side Democrats have this gem this total gem which again I'd love to know where was launched how it was launched It's impossible to do that on any of the search engines anymore is polluted It's very, you know... You might be able to do it on Twitter but you don't have the right access in the tool. So it doesn't matter they have this gem where they can show actual horrible images now problematic is that pretty much most of the images I've seen today

19:03 are ones that come from the Obama administration where this practice was in full swing, where it was taking place. And I'll explain... Yeah they did all of this too but nobody paid attention to it Well thats exactly right here's Dianne Feinstein and her head is gone you introduced a bill this week to stop the separation of undocumented parents and undocumented children as they cross the U.S. border. Do you hear? Oh, yeah. Oh yes! A lot of Democrats are expressing outrage about how Trump is treating undocumented immigrants we saw this photo making their rounds on social media Los Angeles mayor former mayor

19:39 uh... the argosa a tweeted it out it's actually from bits on document children in holding cell but it's actually from two thousand fourteen president obama was presidents there are a lot of things done to undocumented immigrants uh... that immigration immigrant community was very upset about during the obon years the democrats didn't seem as outspoken about what do you say to people who say where with all this activism during the obama year I don't believe that it was nearly to the extent that it is today. Oh sure and candidly, um I didn't really know enough about it at that time to focus on it. Oh, you know enough about it now What was her position at the time? Was she not head honcho during the Obama years she was

20:26 Well, I know what you mean by head honcho but she was definitely running a number of committees that should have known about this. She should have known yes she should've but yeah i wasn't paying attention to it because children didn't matter to me then they matter to me now we have had a hearing in the judiciary committee We did have testimony uh...I know that at least fifty children a day are taken from their parents And the thing is, they're taken and no one knows what happens to them. Their parents don't know how to find them and you have now the first person, one of the fathers that died in jail I find it just inhumane, callous and something I never thought my country would do

21:12 So, it's very worrisome and we've got to stop it. And so we have written a bill, we have 31 co-sponsors I hope will be able to get out of the Judiciary Committee It has been introduced and it would prohibit the taking of children in this manner and then it would provide a number criteria to remove a child what you'd have to have present Okay, so now we know this has been going on for a while but apparently it's more severe now because more people are crossing the border. Which goes contrary to everything I've heard from the Democrats. It goes contrary to the facts. To the facts possibly as well but okay. So children didn't matter and it didn't really have my attention because it was just fucking children! Now its ohhh its children!!

22:05 So I dive into this because I want to understand. It's true though, this is exactly right! Put a time code down, time code. Okay... Sorry. So I'm thinking alright well then surely we can find this you know this legislation somewhere in the law and it's interesting when you hear people like Judd Johnson who came out of The Woodworks Well, actually I'll let him say it. A facility that's essentially tents where some children are staying? Is this how it is supposed to work? Tents! So tense... Well first, Ana, lets be clear there is no law that requires the Trump administration to separate children from their parents If there were such a law, I would know about it. I would have known about when I was in office and I would have heard about if I tried to enforce it

22:56 I have the greatest respect for the border patrol agents, customs officers and immigration enforcement officers who used to work for me. But I object highly to this current practice of separating children from their moms and dads at the border, and it's something that I feel obliged to speak out about. Oh yes! To virtue signal about... Now let's just go right back to Dianne Feinstein She right there agreed and said yeah this was happening in the Obama years but it was just children didn't care about them now Judd Johnson who was director of Department Homeland Security Securities? Security during the Obama year

23:36 He literally says, I didn't know about it even though it was taking place. So okay maybe you did but the thing that's most important is him saying I know of no law now on one hand It's total horseshit that he does that he knows that this is not was not being done But he's kind of right about the law part and that's where it becomes really interesting in this case It was the California Democrats in 85 who were horrified by families being put into detention centers after trying to enter the United States illegally.

24:13 And they really went all out, all in this is horrible. This can't be you've got children and it's in horrible circumstances there with rapists and murderers and yeah that would their parents but rapists and murderers and we have to take care please think of the children And so there was a, it took like almost a decade for the Flores settlement also known as the Flores Agreement to come into play and be enacted. It actually is the final settlement took place

24:50 I think it was 85, but then there was Supreme Court ruling on it in 97. And there was yet another ruling in 2016 and what they came up with is a consent decree—not a law but a consent decree—and there's some legality to that Which states very specifically the government is required to release children from immigration detention without unnecessary delay To in order of preference parents other adult relatives or licensed programs willing to accept custody If a suitable placement is not available The government is obligated to place children in the least restrictive setting appropriate to their age at any special needs turns out tents are reasonable

25:35 And the third part is, the government must implement standards relating to the care and treatment of children in immigration detention. So it was because of the children that the Flores settlement came into play by consent decree because I don't know maybe they had no time or they're too chicken shit to bring it up and pass some actual immigration or make it a part of comprehensive immigration reform? But when you have a consent decree which has been signed off on, and with the Supreme Court as one of the parties there's only two ways this can be... well in this case three ways this can be changed. One both parties consent to changing the consent degree. The Supreme Court as the only court could actually

26:20 Overrule this or you can pass a law and then this thing will just fall away into nothingness But to say that they didn't know and that this wasn't happening when it was their idea California Democrats in particular is Just an outrageous abuse of children. You are the child abusers use of children It's also a big lie that they're always complaining about its its end This was a very well publicized Well, I'm sorry. For the uninformed public who the hell knows but it was well-publicized there's a lot of information on it and so yeah Jay Johnson sure It wasn't a law you if it was a law would have known about it now You know exactly what's going on? You're full of shit in your virtue signaling and you're a liar And everybody is just abusing these children for this very

27:13 very same point of winning political points and Turning the midterm elections in their favor. It's that's what's sickening that you're doing a good job They're doing a great job, and people are so stupid they just like I see a picture Just freaking out like it's retarded morons. Another time code, please It'll be the whole show because I can't I was reviewing it this morning again just how what people are writing and and how they're all in and you don't have to search very far look I'm a VJ

27:51 Hey, you know I'm no according to some of my washed up VJ. Yeah, you're washed up man I should be able anybody can find this come on It's not that hard they don't want to find it oh My goodness it really got me. You know here's a bothers me is the it's the Republicans because really deep down inside The Republican Party, in fact I kind of pointed this out in the newsletter. Yes you did. The Republicans...I mean we have to be realistic about the Republicans they're besides being generally useless they don't like Trump probably none of them do and their Democrats hate Trump and then the Republicans can't really say they hate Trump but they kinda hate Trump so this guy

28:41 He doesn't really have enough allies to go out and pull off some of these, you know educational necessities like telling people about the facts of the matter. Right? No that would be nuts! And he doesn't seem to care that much. You know he just has his one or two pitches that he has oh the Democrats could fix it is not enough... right no he's- That's right they don't have a meme their meme was the Democrats can fix it But I think even Trump, he's underestimated the power of these pictures. It doesn't matter if it was a picture in black and white clearly from the 1800s people would believe it! And now what happened since this morning... This of course was all architected by Stephen Miller you see?

29:27 Stephen Miller and you can just go on Twitter right now, and you just look for Stephen Miller. There are pictures of him side by side with Goebbels which was Hitler's PR guy, his propaganda guy They look kind of the same Oh makes sense! This guy he hates children They look kind of the same. Yes! It does, this is what Slate... The White House seems to be divided amid- Slate by the way Washington Post. Oh is it a WAPO? Yep Okay President Donald Trump ended up backtracking. Like his predecessors, the idea of ripping crying children from the arms of their parents simply seemed too cruel never mind politically dangerous but some in the administration most notably senior policy advisor Stephen Miller continued to push the idea now Miller has emerged as one of the staunch defenders of the controversial move

30:23 No nation can have the policy that whole classes of people are immune from immigration law or enforcement, Miller told The Times in an interview. It was a simple decision by the administration to have a zero-tolerance policy for illegal entry period! The message is that no one is exempt from immigration law. Miller was one of the guys a year ago when we were seeing who is being targeted to get him to quit or get out of the White House. Yeah, yeah he was one of the two guys left over that didn't get kicked out by public relations right so he's obviously they're retargeting him because it you know still no of course he needs to be retargeted yeah oh absolutely absolutely

31:06 I'm looking at right here. Steve, and looking at the list of stuff on the being it Stephen Miller Trump's right-hand troll Is the position for left hand troll open Yes Right hand troll and it's in The Atlantic and we should remember that Lorraine Jobs is IS yes. Yes. Yes That was something else. I was gonna say I can't remember what it was. Something about how stupid Republicans are. Anyway, this whole thing is unfortunate... Non-affiliated people! Non affiliated! Yeah yeah really independent... Get out of these two parties they shouldn't exist

31:53 It's it's it. It's just it's unbelievable dumb and dumber yeah, okay But but how people buy into it is really? It is it is plain and sinker. It is just its borders are gotten fine Well you know and he's got worse with social media of course well Of course it has and this is what professor Ted would say You know we're now so messed up in our heads And and social media is not untangling it It's not that's never gonna happen. No, it's not it's not oh man Oh I think we can move away. I don't have any more on the topic. We'll just Julie Annie came up in the conferences. I do have to play this off-the-wall clip This was during Sarah Sanders recent press Meeting yeah, and and this weird Rudy question came up. I didn't I haven't followed up? I didn't do any research But I just think it was so

32:48 Odd that this question came up and Giuliani by the way is probably a guy should go. This guy's in unless they want him to be loose cannon Anyway, play this. Rudy Giuliani spent 20 minutes today talking with one of our reporters about his love life and proclaimed that he's not going to be a priest if he is separated from his third wife. Has this become too big of a distraction? To the point where the president would consider getting another lawyer and then also on that He said his ex soon-to-be ex Judith called the president last week Can you tell us what they talked about

31:53 It's it's it. It's just it's unbelievable dumb and dumber yeah, okay But but how people buy into it is really? It is it is plain and sinker. It is just its borders are gotten fine Well you know and he's got worse with social media of course well Of course it has and this is what professor Ted would say You know we're now so messed up in our heads And and social media is not untangling it It's not that's never gonna happen. No, it's not it's not oh man Oh I think we can move away. I don't have any more on the topic. We'll just Julie Annie came up in the conferences. I do have to play this off-the-wall clip This was during Sarah Sanders recent press Meeting yeah, and and this weird Rudy question came up. I didn't I haven't followed up? I didn't do any research But I just think it was so

32:48 Odd that this question came up and Giuliani by the way is probably a guy should go. This guy's in unless they want him to be loose cannon Anyway, play this. Rudy Giuliani spent 20 minutes today talking with one of our reporters about his love life and proclaimed that he's not going to be a priest if he is separated from his third wife. Has this become too big of a distraction? To the point where the president would consider getting another lawyer and then also on that He said his ex soon-to-be ex Judith called the president last week Can you tell us what they talked about

33:24 I'm not today or tomorrow or at any point ever going to comment on Rudy Giuliani's love life. I will be glad to leave that to you and the reporter that spoke with him, and I am not aware of a call and don't have information on that. Jim? Yeah, yeah this I you know the Jew. I think Giuliani The reason he's hanging around and is given so much grace is He's got something he has something and I um I think it pertains to what? New York police or FBI have on the wiener laptop There's there's some reason for him being kept this closely for no obvious reason yes There's no obvious reason

34:10 He's kind of a clown. He's saying stupid crap all the time I think it's an embarrassment bringing up the impeachment thing is right like working for the wrong side Yeah, but yeah he just hangs around and he claims to be part of a scheme Well that's what i'm thinking i'm thinking yeah But no not that or not that he has anything on anybody but just that he can be as he's like A smoke screen he draws attention to himself It may it's almost as though. It's a Roger Stone kind of a play you have some guy this just could be shouldn't be there Yeah, it could be hmm well I really do think that Roger stone right now is at work Well he's in he's in play He's got his book out he's doing interviews so he is around So he's maybe he maybe I don't know we did get another NBC fatality and

35:10 And that's the target NBC. Yeah, and that was Chris Hardwick right? Yeah You had the same response I had who no I know I've seen him like I can kind of visualize the guy yeah I don't know the basics of how they got he's gotten oh well this Chloe Dykstra Oh Oh, the Chloe Dykstra thing. Right right yeah do you know any more about this because I really don't know that much about this particular story? I looked into it not to mention it I did look into it and there's no clips available Chloe Dykstra wrote if you look at her the problem I have with Chloe Dykstra is something she posted on Twitter

35:47 She is describing it seems to me in her medium articles something of a S&M relationship Well, definitely a slave master. Yeah and she has a picture on on her Twitter of her in some sort of a bondage out this what you do so well You go in and you look at people's media like let me see this girl's pictures. Let me take a look at this Oh yes, whatever I found here Well you can get a lot from that I said it million times and if you're gonna do due diligence on people should go to their flickr account. Right well that's kind of outdated. Plastered in public anyway so she had this one picture, I went over her twitter feed just see if I could figure out what was going on because like I had the sense she was like

36:28 She was hitting this guy, it was a hit job against his character. And it was very vague the Medium article never mentions his name No But I think it was from podcaster to CEO of his own corporation Which is of course the opposite of what I did which I think is interesting I went from big shot CEO to podcaster Swimming upstream as always That's right everybody Maybe you should give Chloe a call Anyway She, so she's in this S&M outfit with the line who dis? And so I'm thinking what is this? Well that's also appropriating black culture which is wrong by just prima facie.

37:10 And I read that piece and it just seems like, it's almost reminds me of the Marv Albert thing where he had this relationship with some dominatrix. Oh gosh! Didn't he get fired over that? Yes, he got fired. He finally go back into the business by the way... He was out for a decade at least. He was out for awhile That wasn't good story. Just..I'm sorry just to because I just kind of remember that It was shocking at the time. Marv Albert, like a kinky freak? No! This is not right! And in some of these S and M relationships, there's a moment where... Okay. The experience speaks! No I'll tell you what I consider foundational was there was a special that KQED did about 20 years ago on the scene with a person who is analyzing it as psychologist saying that

38:12 In reality, in one of these relationships and people probably know somebody that might or might not be in one is that the submissive is actually the dominant. in all situations. But you end up with this punishment scenario and the way I would perceive this, having read her article and looking at this character and some of the nonsense that she puts in the article is like does that really make any sense? She basically had the upper hand all along, is that what you're saying? I would say either she was to dominate but whatever the case was, this article was punishment

38:51 designed to get him in trouble and fired. And would you see that it was like, I get to almost the sense that he was supposed to be the... This shows up in Mr. Robot's storyline too with that crazy sick cop. It also shows up with Billions this is very similar. Ah well the way I'm seeing it is that this guy was given the position of being her dominant Half and he couldn't really keep up This is actually a case of Of me too gone wrong. Yeah, something like that But it was just very let's put it this way if anyone wants to read their her Essay which you have to kind of dig define as she won't even link to it It's very fishy but then when you start to take take a meta view of it hello Roger Stone uh-huh

39:46 Because the whole Roger Stone impetus seems to me. Let's just keep pounding on NBC people you work for NBC You're a target hmm now any you know anyone coming into this fresh or hearing this out of context of who you and I are Will of course out us as being the most unbelievable misogynist ever blaming the victim Shaming the victim, I'm just saying that yeah well do your wrong to think that In fact, we were analyzing the reality of a situation. And this particular one and getting this guy booted even though his affiliate he wasn't as strong NBC with the connection with NBC was not

40:27 Not like some of the people that have been, like Matt Lauer. No that's true but what I always liked is that and i think you tweeted another example of this when something like this happens companies often wipe this person from everything so your no longer a co-founder of the company You know your just gone its as if you didn't exist it's a futuristic version of black mirror What kind of a well, maybe it's the current version of a black mirror episode where you're white. It's a Stalinist thing where you cut somebody out of the picture You're wiped from the entire history of the of the corporation Yeah We're living in a lot of that is just yeah know what I did so Tina and I were walking on the street the other day and I'm observing because of OTG and my phone doesn't do anything unless there's text message which is few

41:17 Usually it's you saying, hey here is the newsletter. And I'm just looking at the people hunched over walking with their phones looking at their screens. I see a million of these scooters parked, these little motorized scooters parked everywhere and I remember my favorite book one of my favorite books Snow Crash by Neil Stevenson And I owned metaverse.com back in 19... I don't know, early 90s If you've not read Snow Crash it's a science fiction book about the future and this is an 80s book and boy how close it's come where The reality of the world is everyone is in their home or their office and they put on a VR headset and they go into The Metaverse and the Metaverse is yeah, I think the incorrect

42:10 Thinking at the time was Oh second life. This is this is what it is? This is the metaverse This is what Neil Stevenson meant and but it was much more sophisticated in the book And in fact, there's a virus called snow crash and that's why the book is called snow crash But he describes the outside world outside The Metaverse as the only thing on the street are delivery people on electric scooters and FedEx and that's it No one else is on the street because there's no reason to be on the street unless you get one of the autonomous driving cars to take you from location 1 to location 2, which is of course Uber, the bird bikes and FedEx is what it is. It's FedEx but now we also have Amazon delivery and this scourge of these bikes and these scooters particularly in Austin is the arrogance and just unbelievable brazenness of Silicon Valley companies

43:04 who are flooding, flooding markets. We now have five different bike rental companies of which only one has racks all the rest you just park the bike we throw it down wherever you want because don't worry and that we have GPS on them they pay people to pick it up at night and put him back in strategic locations these bird scooters have to be picked up during the night people charge them at their homes as how they try to get some economies of scale But none of this is legal. No, this has been clear They just dump it into a city just dump it and of course everyone gets all addicted to its the uber model Don't that shit on the cities like people get addicted to would get kicked out have them screaming Please come back to me. Yeah, but in the meantime This is really rude It's just rude and people don't know they're riding on sidewalks Is there not enough of them are getting hit?

43:58 On the road, which is what really needs to happen. We need some people dying before we can get rid of this plague! It's just this plague... Which leads me into- Well they're confiscating them in San Francisco Oh they should be! These things are.. I mean and there's so much money going into this these guys are now valued at a billion dollars I don't get it And their model you know the model doesn't work Because they're still paying between $10 and $15 per electric scooter to have someone pick it up and recharge it depending on how difficult it is to find it. You know, if you can see I did get these scooters And then at the end the very end of the night They have a truck that goes around for all the scooters people didn't find It's like it's almost like a Pokemon hunt and kids making good money doing this by the way But it'll never last because it's not a sustainable model and they're gonna get kicked out because it's dangerous

44:54 You know, and the motorized vehicle belongs on the street. And then it needs to go through a couple of checks to make sure that it's okay to be on the street. It's not safe! I had these things in 1999... In Amsterdam. The press was out there, I was zapping along – it was called the Zappy – I was blasting along the canals and within a week yeah they were the cops no we're confiscating this rule not gonna happen and they kept them off the streets for a decade Until they finally, finally someone went back and tried to get some legislation. And the same went for Segways those were also immediately banned but this the arrogance of these Silicon Valley companies to do this is This irksome them to me and that kind of brings us to another Silicon Valley story which I saw you have a clip of it So let you start not only have a bunch of clips of it. I only have an opinion on Elizabeth Holmes But I would like to hear what you've got well

45:48 Well, I'm going to start off by doing this backwards. Elizabeth Holmes was this people can see the reporter who wrote for The Wall Street Journal considers her a scammer but she was defended and she got lots of money from all kinds of Tim Draper was a good example of this by the way let's just go back and say that she has now been indicted on 10 counts of wire fraud and we're going to jail she's going to jail Well, let's hope so. But let's play the local story then. Elizabeth Holmes' local report She was once billed as the next Steve Jobs. Theranos' medical technology was supposed to be the future of medicine, instead tonight Elizabeth Holmes is facing 20 years in prison tonight hear from those who saw the warning signs Good evening thank you for joining us tonight I'm Amma Date and I am Dan Ashley. Elizabeth Holmes walked out of a South Bay court today charged with defrauding investors doctors and patients we have team coverage tonight let's begin with ABC 7 News reporter Amanda Del Castillo

44:54 You know, and the motorized vehicle belongs on the street. And then it needs to go through a couple of checks to make sure that it's okay to be on the street. It's not safe! I had these things in 1999... In Amsterdam. The press was out there, I was zapping along – it was called the Zappy – I was blasting along the canals and within a week yeah they were the cops no we're confiscating this rule not gonna happen and they kept them off the streets for a decade Until they finally, finally someone went back and tried to get some legislation. And the same went for Segways those were also immediately banned but this the arrogance of these Silicon Valley companies to do this is This irksome them to me and that kind of brings us to another Silicon Valley story which I saw you have a clip of it So let you start not only have a bunch of clips of it. I only have an opinion on Elizabeth Holmes But I would like to hear what you've got well

45:48 Well, I'm going to start off by doing this backwards. Elizabeth Holmes was this people can see the reporter who wrote for The Wall Street Journal considers her a scammer but she was defended and she got lots of money from all kinds of Tim Draper was a good example of this by the way let's just go back and say that she has now been indicted on 10 counts of wire fraud and we're going to jail she's going to jail Well, let's hope so. But let's play the local story then. Elizabeth Holmes' local report She was once billed as the next Steve Jobs. Theranos' medical technology was supposed to be the future of medicine, instead tonight Elizabeth Holmes is facing 20 years in prison tonight hear from those who saw the warning signs Good evening thank you for joining us tonight I'm Amma Date and I am Dan Ashley. Elizabeth Holmes walked out of a South Bay court today charged with defrauding investors doctors and patients we have team coverage tonight let's begin with ABC 7 News reporter Amanda Del Castillo

46:50 Dan Alma, we know that Holmes was once touted as Silicon Valley's sweetheart. But today she and a former company president had to face some serious charges regarding wire fraud 11 to be exact We were there the moment that homes walked out of the federal courthouse Before walking out of the federal courthouse in silence, Holmes and Ramesh Balwani both pleaded not guilty to two counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and nine counts of wire fraud. He pleaded not guilty because he is not guilty Outside of the courtroom Jeff Coopersmith only representing and speaking on behalf of Balwani Federal prosecutors say he and Holmes were behind a multi-

47:36 million dollar scheme to defraud investors and another to do doctors and patients. Prosecutors accused the pair of knowingly lying about the accuracy and reliability of some other products, technology that was said to be a cheaper and more efficient way of doing blood tests Put his heart and soul into this. He had his own family tested at the Theranos lab, a busy lab then Vice President Joe Biden visited back in 2015 This video shows both Holmes and Biden touring the Newark facility today though The only sign Theranos even exists in the building was this one posted on its front door giving contact information for Theranos

48:14 And after calling the listed numbers, one man identified as a Theranos employee. He says that he wasn't shocked at today's courtroom development in fact he actually complimented Holmes on her passion for her work we know that the two homes and Balwani are expected back in court in August if convicted the two can each spend up to 20 years behind bars just like to say about the media That this is an outstanding example of the tech press, and it is really the so-called tech press doing a disservice. Because just as this report stated, you know Wired magazine but also all tech reporters for The New York Times and for Forbes and every blog everywhere were jizzing all over Elizabeth Holmes and us, it looks like Steve Jobs, Wunderkind

49:11 The medical press were on to it that in fact the Wall Street Journal, the the medical reporter He was early on he was saying no. No this is there's something wrong with this This is bullcrap and there was a lot of reporting on it But still the actual technology press in all its forms and the M5m as well we're all Which they always do and now oh boy We're so surprised because you just and many of these blogs in these tech press things. They're all funded by VCS You know that's who's paying for it, so they're just doing the their masters bidding So you know the reporting is shit? And here we are a whole bunch of rich people got duped and now they're gonna send this girl to jail All right that I'll have more later

49:55 Well, let's play a couple things that think they got me about her is there her voice You know she's from a very rich family or a formerly very rich family well She developed this phony voice everybody comments on it because apparently she slipped out of it once someone actually talked normally It's a fake. It's a fake baritone that you can barely miss sustain And I'll say this doing because when I was doing the tech grouch and the tech hippie at when I wasn't me wait These characters that was you And I'd have to do these voices and it's hard to sustain the voice. Give us a technique If it's not if there's nothing you could do all the time like the mice, I have a bunch of voices I do obviously heard them on his show But I can usually do him as in short bursts but just keep it going that she has to do makes It very difficult but when you hear it first time out of the blue now Kramer kind of creamed all over this because he loved her and then he of course he

50:49 had to back off a little bit once the news, but here's an early. Here's the way it is what it says here's her other voice out of the blue sounds like this is this is Kramer and E H play this clip. This is Jim Cramer from CNBC lately one of the most exciting privately held companies in Silicon Valley has come under fire I'm talking about Theranos. That's the diagnostics company with the ultra fast fingerprint blood testing technology that is aiming to upend the entire traditional healthcare establishment by making it easier, less expensive and much less uncomfortable for you to get tested for a whole range of conditions. For the last few years Theranos has been viewed as a revolutionary company. The CEO has been Harold Nesnick Steve Jobs. The company has been valued at $9 billion in its most recent round of fundraising

51:32 But Theranos also has its critics. And just this morning, the Wall Street Journal ran a pretty scathing article about the company alleging that the company's proprietary testing devices may be inaccurate and basically accusing Theranos of deceptive practices. The journal cites a former employee who claimed that of the 240 tests offered by Theranos only 15 are actually performed on the company's proprietary Edison diagnostic machine vast majority of the rest being done on traditional lab equipment The article was pretty brutal. But here on Mad Money, we know something. We know that there are two sides to every single story which is why I think it's important that we speak to Elizabeth Holmes the founder and CEO of Theranos who is coming to us this afternoon from Boston where she's attending a meeting of the Board of Fellows at Harvard Medical School give her chance to answer the charges raised in the article Ms. Holmes welcome back to mad money It's great to be here thank you Wow! Thank You Elizabeth I have to tell you all my years I can't recall a private company

52:23 Wow, you know it's not that you know what that sound it sounds like yeah I can do it home. Let me give but now you heard yeah, I heard it sounds like our government the frog It sounds like she her mouth is full of vape liquid Now that was you heard what she said well Thank you very much That's not the clip by ones you to start with buy me that you can go this good This is a nine second clip. I'm looking for Kramer and eh oh, I'm so sorry Yes, okay. It was a clip I wanted to play anyway all right Tim what this is defending huh Kramer? Yeah, yeah, I got you. I got you So it's just a little labeled funky where she's attending a meeting of the Board of Fellows at Harvard Medical School To give her chance to answer the charges raised in the article miss Holmes welcome back to mad money It's great to be here Thank You That's not it either

53:10 What you played was the long version of that. The way she says... Preview early, is that the one you want? That's not nine seconds. No, you just played the nine second one. Okay. Try preview early. No they got that Badante archive to 124 I'm sorry what are you asking me to do? I've got Kramer and Holmes preview early archive and Kramer which is five minutes. Which shouldn't be on your list. And Kramer and... No no I think that's what you gave me hold on No, you should. I may have taken the archive off the product that shipped. Yes. But try Kramer and Holmes Preview Early dot mp3

53:52 This is before the Wall Street Journal article, this is what we could expect. Let's take a closer look with Elizabeth Holmes She's the founder and CEO of Theranos who also happens to be the youngest self-made female billionaire in America Miss Holmes welcome to Mad Money Thank you it's great to be here Thank You Alright Elizabeth So she says the exact same words If you hadn't told me I would have thought you spun it down Thank you, it's good to be here. I would have thought you had spied her voice. Well thank you, it was good to be here!

54:28 filled with Silicon Valley bull crap. Oh, we want to empower the people who want to do this and say it's very short clip I don't didn't take the whole speech nice but the whole 18 minutes is all this garbage is Silicon Valley garbage but watch the way she speaks to maintain that voice to maintain that voice she has to kind of swallow and she could only maybe do two words and then she kind gets herself together and then hits herself pregnant. I left all the pauses in because she can't say more than three words sometimes she can maybe blurt out four, and this is what it... If this doesn't tell you something's wrong, I don't know what does? It is a great honor to be here. I feel very humbled speaking in front of all of you and there's so much I have to learn from the people in this room

55:23 So, what I can talk about is what I know and what I believe which is that one of the incredible things about this country is that we can and do solve policy challenges through creativity and innovation. And I've always believed that when people find What they're truly passionate about and they make a decision to Do that and stick with that no matter what they can build great things Wow She should be in jail for that

56:18 Just that alone now. It's odd because her great icon hero Steve Jobs Who she named one of her products I? iPod after you know the iPod and she was Shit on and much higher voice he did the guy that wrote the book on her which just came out He says that she worshiped jobs so much that she adopted his scheduling. She adopted his clothing, his attire Everything she could about Steve was just copied to a real sick extent But what are you gonna do? Alright what else we got

57:03 Well it is amusing I have to say. Uh, I do have the Holmes thank you on an ISO if you want to play that just quickly Thank You it's great to be here All right let me just wait wait here Let's play I see I don't know that first one you played but I think That was cra- It still racked over 8 minutes and it was Kramer and Holmes after Wall Street Journal. That's the not that was what you meant to title archive probably and that And that's the one that you played first yeah, okay? Then you play the other one because there's one more thing about it local report too All right, let's finish with Local Report 2. Holmes dropped out of Stanford and started Theranos in 2003 it became the hot startup in 2014 when Holmes was featured in several national publications one even called her the next Steve Jobs as investors flocked to Theranos its value soared to nine billion dollars that year Holmes parlayed the success and was one of the main speakers at a TED talk in San Francisco in 2014 Great protect health

58:07 and well-being of every person, of those we love. And by the way this is on her part totally calculated to sound like a complicated introverted leader. This completely fabricated this... Is a basic human right Things started to unravel though in October of 2015 when a Wall Street Journal investigation questioned the accuracy of those testing devices. By early 2016 Theranos was laying off employees, Holmes was banned from the labs and the company had its license revoked The Wall Street Journal story was the work of one reporter who had spent three years looking into the company

58:49 We spoke to him today about his investigation. ABC 7 News reporter Cornell Bernard joins us now with some of the insights into what was really going on at Theranos. And Dan, it is quite a story. Reporter John Kariroo says many at Theranos tried to stop the story from going public he says the scandal put patients lives in danger She refused to stop over promising to investors. Pulitzer Prize winning Wall Street Journal reporter John Kerry-Roo isn't surprised Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes now facing federal fraud charges All right, now I got it before we finish. I do have the one thing that is the funniest clip Okay This is the one guy who's refused he still stands by her side

59:31 Tim Draper of course our buddy Tim Draper over here who we know it was kind of a funny jolly Wacky, I like to he's like. He's like Anthony Robbins With some comedians also goofball he does when if you gives the speed gives little speeches that doesn't rap tune Yeah, yeah, let's get social kind of guy oh Yeah, totally. So here he is on CNBC everybody's jaw has dropped by as he starts talking by the way when he starts going into this this is a That's a good two minutes, but it's Tim defending her and defending the Silicon Valley ethos claiming the government is out to get the entrepreneurs. And although he's a Democrat you know it's a lot of this doesn't make a lot of sense what he's saying but he's saying it anyway here we go all right Tim the last time that we spoke with you a couple of years ago

1:00:25 You roundly defended Elizabeth Holmes, the founder of Theranos. The SEC has now accused that company of massive fraud you said people were just going after her because she was a woman She was the victim of a witch hunt. You suggested The Wall Street Journal guy who uncovered all this was incompetent Are you willing to admit that you are wrong about this one? Absolutely not I feel that we have taken down another great icon. This woman was... Icon of what? Came to me when she was 19 years old and she said, I'm going to transform health care as we know it and she got bullied into submission And i think this has been a real...this is not what America's made up of. Tim, investors have lost $900 million dollars that they put into this company. Are you talking at the same time I am talking?

1:01:14 went into Theranos. Investors believe people like you who said you know her for life, and that's gone... And look what she did! She created an amazing opportunity. It's worthless. Amazing opportunity the technology she claimed to have invented didn't exist. Well wait why is it worthless? It's worthless because this writer was like a badger going after her or like a hyena going after her and then it became a bigger and bigger thing I mean this was a start-up and it was a great vision, and it was a great technology. Tim, the SEC has charged this as a massive fraud. I think you missed the entire point! All she had to do was say this was a beta or whatever and all of us would be using it we'd be loving it but she's going up against some very powerful people in

1:02:10 The drug companies, the AMA, the FDA. All these people... She's transforming healthcare! Somebody goes in and tries to transform healthcare they're gonna get attacked in a lot of different directions and she was And this is one of the cases where the entrepreneur was defeated Interesting Now here's how I see it That is an interesting statement by Draper And I think that The way most investors, and that's what I want to focus on. What most investors saw is a great idea because it's creating a better mousetrap because giving blood is certainly for people like me, I get all woozy and like, eh, don't want to do it hold my hand press my head down. I'm not...I don't feel good. It'd be fantastic.

1:03:03 All you need to do in typical Silicon Valley Draper thing is just throw enough money at it to miniaturize the shit and then it'll work. And you've already got the brand, you've got this story... This IS true! ...and I think that they were rushing to make that happen and this is where-I look at this a little differently and remember when we started with these assholes filling up our streets with these bullcrap bikes and scooters? First of all Holmes herself comes from a very what used to be one of the big rich families in America and this is one of the families that kind of squandered that wealth and That started really with her great-grandfather when the wealth start to go away And they did you know if you look at our history, they just did dumb things and you know lost their money But there was always this hope this family. Hope that you know eventually will bring it back and then we had Elizabeth who

1:03:51 who dropped out of Stanford at 19. What is that, freshman? Freshman. Freshmen. Her first investor... Do you know who her first investor was? I thought it was Draper. Rupert Murdoch provided the seed funding. He was the... Draper was the first VC. Rupert Murdoch, who loves him some young chicky! I'm not saying that's what happened but i can see... Well, Cordie and that's what Carrie Rue says Terry Roo says that she could work the old men. Yes, so she worked Rupert and she got her seed funding and with Rupert's name and the seed funding and a good idea for better mousetraps, she went to Draper. Draper sees this goes yeah okay more money we throw at it will get there eventually

1:04:39 Then the big VC start piling on then they start compiling the board which included Henry Kissinger Colin Powell even our very own Secretary of Defense mad dog Mattis was Maddis on the board but They're all old men, by the way. Yes! And I have some standing in this area because I went to some of the same investors. Some of them invested in my company now over the course of 10 years where we essentially promised the same thing and we got sidetracked there was all kinds of issues and made mistakes and it turns out you can't monetize the network but

1:05:17 In essence, you know there was 50-60 million dollars that went over a 10 year period which we did pretty well by providing a lot of employment for people and basically employing people for quite awhile although losing money or barely breaking even. And you have to keep going back to the well and then at certain point y'all say hey this is just not working but it didn't go that way in this case because all All of these guys know you can throw money at the problem and then you get the board, and you get enough momentum And they see how it works. They've done this in I think many previous cases certainly in Silicon Valley You know if you have the right idea, you have enough money Then you can probably get ahead of the competition but these

1:05:59 These venture capital investors, what? You want an entertainment company in Los Angeles or New York. No! It has to be here in San Francisco so we can keep our eye on it and come to the office." What do you think the 19-year old got by the time she got her investment when she was in early 20s? Now, this is completely overseen. You've got to go to Sand Hill Road every single week you gotta do your meeting and explain show your numbers shows what's happening these people knew these investors they Can't stand that the Wall Street Journal this guy who I think is you know a real journalist He stayed on the time Pulitzer Prize winner he sat on this story And he kept hammering at it for three years, and they tried to cover it up They the investors not her the investors were the venture capitalists We're covering it up for their limited partners and their venture funds everything's great all the press is great Forbes magazine

1:06:56 Article after article after article these Silicon Valley assholes completely are going to send this girl to jail who has a personality disorder that she needs to be in therapy from her family background and how she was abused by these old men, to be Steve Jobs. Hey baby don't worry we'll take care of it! We'll get you there and they turned around and they screwed her. They're sending her to jail and they are trying to get away from their culpable liability for losing money from their limited partner investors. That's what this is about, she's being thrown to the wolves I had a complete disdain for her from day one like what are you? What are you doing but now i feel bad for because these guys won't take responsibility that's was going on here

1:07:53 Well, I like the analysis. It's a real it's kind of a slam. Kind of? I think a lot of the guys...I'm going to take a little exception to some of it because their board, I believe was stupid and I don't know if they knew anything. I mean those board meetings. I've been to these board meetings at- I have been to board meetings! I know what they're like and I know how they go. Don't fight the menace down. Don't say that. Don't say this. Don't let her in here We know all the tricks they use in Silicon Valley. You look at the minutes, there's nothing! We had a meeting today... The board is simple you just lie to the board but that with the VC they knew what was going on those that meeting is not the board meet and the board meeting as a circle jerk hey everybody we're gonna be rich! They must have had some idea of what was going on because a lot of the major league investors

1:08:48 wouldn't put a nickel into this thing. They saw it was a scam, and I include John Doar if you think that lot of these guys are pointed out because the good VCs asked her what it was that she was doing that was different? And she wouldn't tell them! By the way, I'm not gonna give John Doar pass even though he was not in this one This guy is... He's the king of doing this kind of shit Sorry, well he apparently has okay you buy you I'm not gonna argue against that but apparently he has his limits Yeah Crazily. He does he does have yeah? Amazing the guy has his limits Anyway this was the limit yeah But I would love to see because you know these these VC companies it's not fun

1:09:34 to go through that process. Certainly not when you're, I mean, I had Ron Bloom and he's a dick when it comes to this and he really fought very hard and kept a lot of the company for us for a long time but in general you wake up one day your company is public and you got like 15, you get like 1.5 million bucks oh that was great my company after 10 years yeah now the thing Draper said is interesting Carrie, who says the whole thing came apart because it was Silicon Valley in the wrong business. And Draper said well if she'd called it a beta...

1:10:11 They'd still be in business and they'll be collecting money. That's probably true, but there was pressure from the board to show some... Because we had negative articles, the VC knew what was going on and like shit! We gotta show that this is not true. Hey where's our PR? Where's our press? And then they concocted a scheme and you're gonna tell me the VC wasn't in on that those guys are... They should be in jail Well it's probably true in general But he went on and on, and then he did kind of hint about which is the belief in Silicon Valley. They all believe this by the way, you know it Is that if you have an idea that makes some sort of sense... Yeah

1:10:54 But it doesn't work at all? You're golden. You can make it work eventually because the idea is sound, the vision is right and that's what he said about her she had a vision. The vision was right all we need to do is throw more and more money at it and then they'll come around And what Draper does in an offhanded way Condemned this to Pulitzer winning prize Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist two time winner by saying he's complicit with them with the pharmaceutical industry To write hit pieces on her. That's kind of what he's saying Yeah, there's no evidence that guy is that kind of a guy? He just had a good story wanted to run with it and the thing that I would ask the writer and I may get the opportunity to do this is

1:11:46 is why didn't the big boys, LabCorp and some of these monster testing facilities that have they make billions testing blood Why weren't they going after her directly? They weren't I didn't see any evidence. There was some skeptical articles there's a few people saying well, I don't think it can be done But let's wait and see because they knew the way that business works and he's full of crap Draper about oh They're out to get her know they were gonna wait and see if the thing worked out that would have just bought her Yeah bought her or just replicated it simple exactly exactly So, it fell apart. She's going to jail sad for her but she'll find many friends I'm sure and she'll look great in orange With the voice of a little black anybody. And with that i'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C! Well the c stands for Kramer's Archivist Devorah

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1:15:47 Yeah, because this was a really poor showing today I would say. Thank you Father's Day and I send a note in the little long but for that kind of money I'll read it twice yes please refer to me as Sir Roscoe Fuck 2018. The year has been an absolute dog shit, very profane by the way. Cover your kids ears. Bring on 2019! Hence my donation for 2019 if others feel the same way I encourage them to make a similar 2018 dimes or 2018 nickels donation. Right, 2019. He wrote 2018 but he meant 2019. First let me reminisce back about show 1007 you had a clip about some animal rights yahoo talking about sticking a hand in the cow's ass to inseminate it

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1:26:34 I can see the hell, grumpy old man wants his pothole filled. Wants his chuck hole filled there you go Grumpy old Berkeley man wants Chuck hole-filled calls Domino's pizza by mistake So all right Now i got a note back from producer Sherry sorry sherry i was born there in Utah We shook the rain stick on Thursday, for Colorado for the fires. It started to rain and lo and behold three days later well actually it was yesterday torrentious rain all of a sudden in Austin it just and right on downtown and then it let up when came down again and then it was gone. It always happens with the stick yeah these things are real and we had some questions about the operation of it even though we are both fully licensed and trained professionals of the Rain Stick

1:27:31 Very few people are. It's good, just like flying you know you want to check ride and you want to brush up on your skills Dear Adam as a reminder to your training To get the full effect of your rain stick You need to allow the beads to go from one end of the stick to the other So, I'm correct. Like you flip it let it go all the way down then you flip it again let it go all the way down You were just shaking like one of those... No no no! Like a vibro weight, you know? No no no no! I'm doing exact same thing-I don't know where are getting this from. I am doing exact same thing except that at the end of the flip there's bunch of balls that are stuck in the top and I'm shaking them Well hold on! All to come to bottom Your ball should not get stuck at the top

1:28:15 Your balls should go to the butt- well then you have a defective unit. I do not, you could shake yours and find the same thing. You shake your ball sometimes... I'm not gonna shake my balls because i don't want it to rain again! Anyway Yeah, she says and I'm just reading from the manual. All right Don't kill the messenger to get the full effect of your rain stick You need to allow the beads to go from one end of the stick to the other however When you're on the road trip through Utah The rain stick did bounce around a lot and it did bring rain big rain That's a lot different than John's half-assed shakes on Thursday show I think that if you're going to shake it shake at three times from one end to the other And say where you need the rain to go by the way It did rain in Salt Lake Valley Friday

1:28:57 Much love, your rain stick creator and trainer Sherry Osborne. So that's... so we need to state more clearly I think because i'm still getting- Are their brains supposed to go? Yeah because there some of the energy is flow always in Austin! I'm not doing it right or something. I think that's great Nooo It washes the streets. It brings back the mold. It's horrible There was something else in there that I wanted to mention from the donation segment. Where is it? Hmm, I just don't remember. All right well let's go to some offbeat clips. This is the one...I'm always amused by these stories of some young 20-something women

1:29:55 having sex with a 15 or 16 year old guy, boy. Boy. Right. Because it's like I think most guys... I don't know maybe not so much anymore but when i was a kid yeah I mean I think most guys would go for it. That happened to me when I was 16 Yeah? Well let's play this and then the day went by- And I went for it! It was great Now this was a story about couple of these women in the Bay Area I think. John at Dvorak dot org, in case you're one of these women. These types of women

1:30:39 around here and it but there's a piece of information at the end of this presentation that they just drop it and they go on to The next story, and I'm like now. I'm curious play this sexual deviant girls Two women are under arrest in the South Bay accused of having sex with underage boys Santa Clara Sheriff's investigators say 24 year old Talia Cisco And 23 year old Tina Parani had sex with at least three high school students who were 15 and 16 years old Investigators say the women used social media to meet their victims. Sisko was a student teacher at Bernal Middle School when the investigation began back in April. At this point we don't have any evidence indicating that there are any victims at the school where one of the suspects was teaching at, nor is there any other victims at this point um...at the school that the victim were attending

1:31:30 Detectives seized what they call graphic evidence at the home of one of the suspects. We're told that the women bragged that they were quote sexually deviant and that they would quote go to hell for the sex acts that they engaged in now just thinking about this and thinking back to my own experience which just kind of popped out I hadn't thought about that since therapy and looking at the troll room there must have been 10 guys who went yep happened to me 14 boom right one after another My experience was very similar. I'm, in essence picked up by her and she was in her late 20's. I was in essence picked up on the social net of the day which was CB radio which is completely... Damn far good buddy be right there Hey it's Starlight I think was her name or Handle Hayes hey and I was T-Bird

1:32:25 Hey T-Bird, do you want to come over and talk to Starlight in person? I was on my moped so fast. It was great until her trucker husband found out about it that was a little less enjoyable because he threatened to kill me but I did not see it as being abused. I don't think it hurt me. You're a victim, man! A victim? I don't think I'm a victim... You're a victim you just won't admit it come to grips with this, victim. I went through the- I need to go back to therapy now Oh no Yeah, I think at the end of the report. The very answer is that they consider themselves deviant and their sexual acts are going to send them into hell. They're crazy. What were these? I'm now thinking there's something out of the ordinary going on here. Oh maybe it was more than just some just hooking up acts is what you're saying. Maybe it was something. Well if you listen at the end of that report where they considered themselves sexual deviants going to hell... yeah and who said that

1:33:27 The girls, they said that. Hold on hold on yeah we're told that the women bragged that they were quote sexually deviant and that they would quote go to hell for the sex acts that they engaged in oh there's a sex cult okay but so they were a group this was a group of gals who are doing this? It was just two of them Oh! That could be Diamond & Spice Who knows what they were doing, but it sounds like pretty I don't know. I think they were joking about that Maybe that's more than they have a great sense of humor just kind of kind of think they were joking about it speaking of joking We really didn't Follow this very much. I'm gonna see I thought I might have a clip about this. I thought I had a clip but this the Arkady Bobchenko

1:34:20 This was the Ukrainian reporter who's with the government. I had a clip in a previous, unfortunately i don't know how to find it so maybe Arcadi might be in there we did have a clip and then we never played it yeah and Let's see. Oh, this is yours and mine was played from the dead Yes is my clip 24 hours after he was reportedly gunned down journalist Arkady Babchenko enters a press conference held by the Ukrainian intelligence service alive and well. His apparent death, an elaborate ruse to expose an alleged Kremlin plot to kill him even his wife was in the dark I want to apologize to my wife for the hell she has gone through over the past two days Olechka forgive me please but there was no other option Relief and incredulity at the TV station where Babchenko had been working in Kiev as the Russian-born journalist made his dramatic reappearance

1:35:21 The joy of Babchenko's return was shared later by the Ukrainian president. I think millions of people are for celebrating this as your birthday, my heart beat so hard as i watched the reaction in the newsroom. I knew about the operation But no one else in the administration was aware. I'm certain that it had to be that way, so now we celebrate your birthday again." Reports that Babchenko had been gunned down outside his Kiev apartment emerged on Tuesday evening. The Ukrainian security agencies said the bogus killing had been a necessary part of a sting operation

1:35:59 They reportedly arrested this man on Wednesday afternoon. He said to have been paid $40,000 to organize and kill Babchenko in Ukraine. But as fellow journalists toasted the resurrection of their slain colleague the bizarre incident has set off a war words between Kiev and Moscow and wider concern among the international community over Ukraine's fake news ruse. Yes fake news indeed And it didn't get a lot of play. This was actually, I think, a Euronews report? Didn't get a lot of play... It got networked play. All the networks covered in it. Right but not really any far-reaching discussion about it

1:36:40 No, it ended with the story itself and then all of them had a fake news kicker. I don't know what the point of that was because it's not wasn't really... It was a sting operation that people put together you're gonna call every one of those fake news and by the way they left a couple of factoids out Yeah there's a number of them yeah go ahead which includes the guy who got the 40 grand from who knows where He hired the hit man. He's the one who hired the hit man, and the hitman went right to this writer and says, hey there was a hit out for you I'm supposed to shoot you! And so then they went to the police and organized that fake. So when the guy went to collect his money that's when they arrested this character. Then they made it point of being fake news

1:37:24 Where's the follow-up? What was this guy connected to anybody was he but Putin's pal well So the lack of follow up is very annoying because there's pretty much none of it. There's no follow-up Now first of all we have to recognize that governments do this Governments do all kinds of weird shit to get into get news into circulation for all kinds of reasons and that's something that you will not be discussed on the m5m, of course But now let's look at some of the things that, well I'm going to take one in particular AFP, Agence France-Presse. I think a pretty reputable news organization Yep You like them? Yeah I think they're pretty decent They're slanted little more obviously slanted towards French political views

1:38:06 But AFP published the story, never retracted it. Never changed it just deleted it and so here's a copy of it on archive.org And there are some interesting facts in here as well So... It says here He was shot dead in broad daylight His bodyguard fatally wounded the gunman who was a Ukrainian citizen and had fought in a volunteer battalion against pro-Russian separatists in the country's east. Kiev alleged he had been recruited by Russia's FSB security service." So, if the stor... you didn't hear on that report?

1:38:48 But if the story went out that... So here's what we have to think happened, because AFP is reporting this. Where do they get this information from? That the guy was killed he was shot but then his bodyguard fatally wounded the gunman who the government immediately said ah he was Russia's FSB, he was a spy, Kremlin was out to put a hit on him Then how does that thing work? Did they kill, that's my question. Did they kill the guy? Was a guy killed during this fake, this phony baloney thing, this set up sting or did the AFP just say thanks for the info I'm printing it roll roll it boys! That's a good question. I don't think the guy was killed because I don't think anybody was killed but maybe someone maybe what that was the hit Maybe they did kill someone and just blamed it on him

1:39:48 Well, again... Yeah. It was fake news that was designed for a purpose I don't consider it unreasonable but- I consider to be incredibly unreasonable this bullshit! How do we have? This is what spurs on conspiracy theories. Maybe the whole thing was just a scam Yes In other words it's just to give some more bad press to Russia Possibly But no follow-up. We don't have a clue of what happened and it's just ridiculous that there is no follow up Yes, it's just all speculation. Okay wasn't bad well we had a situation that just happened in Moscow during the World Cup World Cup I don't have to do you have the fever? I don't have the fever. I just don't have the fever no temperature I'm fine. I don't have the world cup fever yet. I'm just you know Holland's not in

1:40:46 The USA is not in. I tried getting, you know, getting the fever for Messi with Argentina but...I just don't have it." So here we have on the network news a short 15 second clip Russia and the taxi. Play this, and then I want to talk about it. In Moscow disturbing video from near Red Square today a taxi rammed into a sidewalk crowded with World Cup visitors The driver jumped out of the car and tried to flee the scene but has since been detained Eight people were injured including two people from Mexico Boom, done. No more! Was it a terrorist? Was he an Arab? Was the Chechenian? Why was he a Russian? What was this?! We don't have any clue if this happened in Berlin or something we'd be talking about it for days. Yeah did you see the video they had a good movie of this guy goes to his taxi goes right on the sidewalk just plows into a whole slew and then runs and tries to get away

1:41:49 Yeah, which to me to me doesn't look like oops. I lost control of the car But yeah, and I love how the crowd went after him though that was great Russians don't you don't want to mess around in Russia the crowd goes after ya? Yeah, you know in America go stand aside I cover in place, cover in place. Drop roll sheltering shelter in place shelter in place the World Cup has given us a unique opportunity to finally hear something we've been wanting to hear and that is President Vladimir Putin speaking English you always want to know how good his Englishes

1:42:29 Yeah, you did. You've wanted to know more than anyone I would say pretty damn good. You can get to know Russia a unique country With a long history and rich culture not bad not better though. I Think his English is pretty good Not bad at all and not bet it on so he speaks English That's well more importantly he understands English yeah definitely So when he's in one of these meetings and they're asking him something in English He's getting the nuance and then they translate it to Russian and he knows what they actually asked instead of what they translate Let's do a little no co which is mil speak for North Korea. Apparently you speak Newspeak, I'm sorry not millspeakers new speak What have you been learning over? What have you learned bro? Yeah, we've been learning over the past couple of days

1:43:28 I have kind of not followed it. As far as i'm concerned, you know, it's just a lot of blather at this point people are yacking away Chuck Schumer, you know is saying there was a bad idea to even talk to these guys. I do have one thought which is that when Trump and I think rightfully so takes credit for being the first president ever to have the guts to go over there or meet with their guys because they could just killed him. They could just put a suicide bomber in there and kill him but This is not because, this is really kind of a Trump going rogue because I think the intelligence agencies and the military have done everything they can to keep a president from ever meeting up with those guys so they could sell more arms. Yeah and keep an eye on China So yeah well we got lots of ways of keeping an eye on China but... A lot has been said about this video that Trump showed

1:44:29 the showing the hotels and well it was more like a movie trailer with you know imagine the world where you don't give up your nukes, you will die this will be horrible we'll kill you. Imagine a world where you go into the condo business with me it'll be great tourism is fantastic that was kind of video which to me very appropriate pitch from a guy like Trump to a guy like And I'm sure he pitches to everybody with beautiful, well beautiful... With montage stuff and showing how great your building's gonna be. That's what you do as a developer is when you're doing the pitch You put together a great video and I think it's very novel way of doing it

1:45:14 some response to that in a moment, but first a video created by the New York Times who lay down some smacking facts on us in a beautiful composition that We've seen it before, but now completely gives you prediction of the decade. This massive show of North Korean force is meant to inspire postcards not paranoia troops and construction workers gathered in June to celebrate a new sprawling tourist destination on the coast of one sand about two and a half hours from Pyongyang But one sand is known for more than sand beaches and sunshine

1:45:55 The North Korean regime runs an airbase in Wonsan. And it's from here that it planned to launch missiles capable of striking U.S. military targets in Japan and Guam. Live fire drills were conducted here as recently as 2017. That didn't stop President Trump, a former real estate developer from spotting the potential. Whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean right I said boy look at that be what wouldn't make a great condo behind And I explained, you know instead of doing that you could have the best hotels in the world right there. Kim Jong-un was already on the case In his 2018 New Year's address he made those beach condos a priority Satellite images and other photos reveal that the coastline has been under heavy construction since January even at night We see how these two missile launch pads have given way to rows upon rows of beachfront buildings

1:46:47 Here on the left, we see the beach lined with artillery for military drill in 2017. And on the right is the same strip of land in 2018. Construction of a tourism destination is in full swing. The project has at least 150 buildings some as high as 12 stories. Pyongyang said that the tourist zone should attract at least 1 million visitors per year but in a country synonymous with prison camps purges and extreme poverty It is unclear where these tourists will come from. Yet the hope seems to be that condos and cabanas will get the cash flowing During a visit to North Korea in May, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Americans could help with that Here's what this will look like This will be Americans coming in private sector Americans not the US taxpayer Coming into help build out the energy grid To work with them to develop infrastructure In that same week photos of Kim visiting the construction site were published

1:47:38 The North Korea of flashy skyscrapers and shiny holiday resorts that Trump showed Kim in this inspirational video at the Singapore summit might still be a way off. A new world can begin today where the doors of opportunity are ready to be opened But if Kim gives up bombs for beaches, it might be time to reach for sunblock instead of sanctions So...ummm....the New York Times has validated your theory? Yep, it was not just a theory. It was a prediction that came years ago You said they really just want to be tourist destination and here's the New York Times reporting on just that And at the no agenda show I think in general we celebrate

1:48:24 Whatever happened however that went down. This is all very recent development We were not aware of this beach building as far as I know, I hadn't heard about it about these condos And they're taking out military installations to build what is it condos and cabanas? beaches instead of bombs We celebrate this. This is fantastic it looks to me like there was a long long game on this they had the guy set up and It's already in play, and you know what I want my spot in North Korea. I need some land over there This is gonna be a great place. I've said this before

1:49:05 That presentation they do once a year and they have the world's largest soccer stadium in North Korea. It holds 220 plus thousand people, and they do this big presentation at the end of the year celebrating the national...the country in some way shape or form. They have all these people come out there dancing singing doing all kinds of circus acts A famous person I know that saw it, Madeline Albright saw it when she was doing the bearded lady. She was raving about it and you've seen movies of it they showed some hints of it. They could get $1,000 a head! I'd pay $1000 to see this thing.

1:49:52 That's the kind of money they could be bringing. I mean, obviously this mostly filled with the locals and local celebrities and North Koreans but they could probably sell a hundred thousand tickets out of the 225 for $1,000 ahead do the math on that for few million dollars in the bank. But also if you see the video that beach looks really nice You don't think of a beautiful beach when you think of North Korea, because that's not how your program. But when you see this video and it's on the New York Times website they produced it is fantastic Yeah I'm sure it's fantastic to be there yeah now we've been brainwashed completely but It's all just to sell more guns and ammo to the South Koreans with beaches instead of bombs condos condos were used as bombs for beaches yes bombs for beaches condos of collusion

1:50:46 It's really is a I think it's one of the best diplomatic moves have ever seen because you know this was set up and there's our Secretary of State saying, yeah. This is great We're gonna come in with a big I mean sure this is what we do The only different anything different about what we've done the Middle East as we didn't have to rubble eyes this You know, in fact it's even better. It's like the neutron bomb if you remember that from when you were getting scared as a kid there was this bomb and the neutron bomb would kill the people but save the buildings? That's what happened in North Korea! The buildings are there its sound is not rubbleized we're still coming in with our economic hitmen We're still gonna build that up and we're doing it right under China's nose The king of doing this...the kings Well

1:51:37 I know the China thing is, I've thought about that too. It's like well we're gonna do this right and China is there just kind of gritting their teeth saying... But Chinese have never been into turning things into tourist traps No they just want to put a railroad They can't even do a very good job at turning their own country into one As we know they do railroads great But they do roads and railroads, so they're doing Africa. We can't seem to do that we can't do the roads and railroads and dams. We can't do it in our own country! We could do condos? We can't do rails and road in our own country how... Africa's going like bro have you seen your potholes?! We don't need your road yeah there's a little irony there now be the way this was received over on MSNBC

1:52:21 And again, I celebrate this idea. If you know anything about business... Yeah he's a dictator! And so was Kim Jong-un, but they're still men. They're still dudes They still understand shiny things you know their people they poop they put on there the pants one leg at a time You know that's how this stuff works visual aids works extremely well But Nicole Wallace is a little longer clip I think would be worth it because you gotta just listen worse now She's this you tell me whether she's unglued or unhinged? I'm not sure which one

1:53:00 But she just, she cannot believe that the president put together a video pitch for Kim Jong-un. It does not fit in her mind. She goes it could be unglued unhinged or off the rails your choice I'm sorry but that was not a tourism video produced by the North Korean regime That was a video created by The White House for Kim Jong Un and the North Koreans Go! It's the best four minutes Do you hear that? The words are sticking in her throat. She is so outraged and just can't believe what she's just seen. It was a video created by the White House for Kim Jong-un and the North Koreans. Go! It's the best four minutes you'll spend in awhile... Honestly, like... There were reporters in the room who initially thought it might have been something that this North Korean government had put together as opposed to the White House

1:53:58 I mean it is, those clips there. It is built like a Hollywood trailer. It's like a blockbuster movie with its two central stars Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un that they're the two men who could bring peace to the world There was even a brief Celeste Stallone cameo from The Oval Office from that pardon ceremony 2 weeks ago He's in there too. It is a remarkable piece of propaganda What is wrong with them? And then I said, what is that thing in the corner? That looks like Whitehouse.gov. It is White House. And so I blew it. Elise, what's wrong with them? Could you imagine as communications director at the White House if you had overseen putting together a video like this but this is just...

1:54:39 beyond and the strangest part is the Destiny Productions which is apparently the name of a film company out in LA and they just inserted it into this video. And that poor production company has to have this attached to their name too. Poor production company? I'm guessing somebody I'm guessing the taxpayers paid for that. Yeah, every spring thousands of high schoolers make prom proposal videos with better dialogue and better production values than that video we just saw but look i think it does illustrate some point here which is a Donald Trump...the presidency and diplomacy is about dialogue persuasion conversation President Trump showed he was an utter failure at that

1:55:21 at the G7. Instead he did the one thing you can do which is sell condos, sell real estate and he thought that this marketing video would be basically in lieu of diplomacy with Kim and maybe he thinks... Let's watch that part! That's good let's watch that. I said boy look at that, wouldn't it make a great condo behind? And I explained, and said you know instead of doing that you could have the best hotels in the world. Think about it from a real estate perspective. At the beginning he says when they're neighbors... Hang on hang on, I gotta see the beginning again. Think about it from a real estate perspective. You have South Korea, China and they own land in the middle. How big? I don't know if she's having an orgasm or what is she saying

1:56:15 What is that, right? It's flake. Unbelievable! So when they're testing their ICBMs I'm thinking what a spot like it could be like bokeh! I want to bring back the mocha test... The mocha test you know what the mocha test is The Montreal Cognitive Assessment. Yes, the MoCA test! Bring back the MoCA tests! Trump is nuts! Maybe you should take it first... I'm thinking what a spot like it could be like Boca! It could just be like Boca!

1:56:52 What is wrong with you? I want to bring back the MoCA test. I want Ronnie Jackson under oath on Capitol Hill." What was that, Jeremy Boucher? You know he told it one day in The Oval, he said to his people we should really produce a video and make it like a Hollywood trailer. He's this, he's that together they are. But how about while I was watching an ICBM test I

1:57:32 a that he can understand. And every real estate CEO, every big CEO has movie making fantasies and I'm sure that Donald Trump thinks that yes he should produce this video to save the world! Let me ask you a serious question though all of you where are the freaking grown-ups? How did that happen? Yeah...I don't think they're at MSNBC

1:58:09 Holy mackerel, I would give you a borderline for that guy. He cut it to length. I think you could have just cut her going... Yeah if i had more time. The argument that oh yeah well everyone sees ballistic missiles and he sees the property and hotels so thus he's an idiot? And whereas he did something... Where are the adults? You know, and it's this stuff that brings out Roger Stone. You got to be careful Nicole Wallace Everybody's got something to hide girl I don't say that threatening Anyway, I would say I would say unhinged Unhinged okay unhinged final analysis Thank you. I was trying to figure out what if it was unhinged or yeah unhinged

1:59:03 Yes, but she is off the rails. So oh hey an OTG update I am off the grid which means I No longer use my smartphone certainly not out of the house. I use it in the house often as a very expensive tablet I'm gonna interrupt you because My phone which I have not used for a week and a half because I lost it Oh You lost it Yeah, I lost it. Was found yesterday by my daughter who was cleaning up part of the house and hey! Found your phone! And so I got the phone... How long has it been missing? And when did you notice it? Did you notice about two weeks ago or...? No, I noticed pretty much when it went missing Can you imagine any person if I stop, if I do man on the street and say what would you do if you couldn't find your phone

1:59:56 These people would answer, yeah I wouldn't leave the house until I had it of course. So a week and half goes by got my phone back but i noticed that during that actually was cognizant of the moments where I missed the phone and im gonna tell you what they are before you go into your pitch okay if I go someplace where my battery is going to die or something worried maybe car won't start ill take the phone The Lexus not starting? What kind of heresy is this? No, there's a such and such guy. What is this heresy I hear? Yeah it doesn't make sense but I'm gonna get it fixed that's one moment but then again I don't care the other one is you're going shopping or at Costco or something and you might want to call your wife and ask if she needs something or hey I saw this thing here are you what do we should be buying it? Or just to say hey baby I love you uh-huh so

2:00:54 Those are the only two times that I felt that maybe could use the phone. The rest of the time, ehh...I don't need this phone! So I got it but I got it back so I have a phone again. There you have it. Don't find these as useful as everybody else well turns out that you really don't need them and you get a lot more pleasure out of Walking around observing everybody else all the zombies because the apocalypse is upon us so I am off-the-grid or OTG For because I am anti tracking, and I'm pro sanity And it's mainly the pro sanity part which is important because you are ill and you know know what? I was ill too

2:01:32 Not as bad as others, of course. And I have a lot of experience in this type of addiction but i definitely had issues with the notifications and the tracking and the smartphone controlling more of my life than I wanted to as a piece of wetware so I do have two experiences they're very similar and then maybe just some advice or some questions about it So I've been out on the town with you know Tina's daughter is with us for the summer And we have gone out to dinner a few times. And in both cases, we had a female server I would say in the millennial age range probably around 25-26 and you know so I take the Nokia E71 and it rarely ever goes off. Sometimes...I'm getting more political phone calls these days You donate to both sides of the house and then you get calls from both sides when its time to pony up and chip in

2:02:29 Sometimes a text message and I have a few emails that will alert me if there's an email that i really need to read. One of them is from you, a newsletter or something like that for my daughter And that's about it But the Nokia E71 is just there on the table because I don't want to sit on its in my back pocket. I can sit on unlike an iPhone It won't hurt it. It'll be fine And in both cases, the waitress goes like this. Comes over and drinks and talking chatting goes... What is that? In both cases I've done... I'm off the grid of OTG you know what I mean? I don't like the tracking in both cases

2:03:10 That has not registered at all and when I say it right off the bat, and they come back with what is this? Is it no wait. Is this a loaner as your phone getting repaired wait your drug dealer It's a burner rights a burner phone what it know this is the phone actually use Wow can I hold it kind of touch it? That's just that is just and they're befuddled befuddled So here and you know then finally I get to the well, I'm trying to do a digital detox Which is what you need to say in the beginning because if you say that they go. Oh yeah Yeah, I am on Instagram a lot really? Yeah How much do you think I don't know but yeah I can see kind of what you're saying and I don't like it being tracked by Facebook Well, but and in both cases But but if you're not doing anything wrong

2:03:58 What do you have to hide? And which my response is, young lady when you get to be as old as I am. You got plenty to hide trust me you'll find out about that but then right after that they'll say yeah It's always the same you know we you and my friend And I were talking about something and then all of a sudden the ad showed up on Facebook because this isn't This is now an urban legend where of course it hasn't happened to everybody, but not everyone says that yeah My best friend. Is one of those stories You know my brother's uncle he has a friend in the army And he had the Facebook ads show exactly what he was talking about just a few minutes ago so anyway It is without a doubt

2:04:38 A great conversation starter. Chicks love it, but I don't have the right comeback yet and I think... you know, I think I just need to keep with the- What? It's a chick magnet. It's a chick magnet, baby! But I think I have to... well this is what Tina says she's like this is a chick magnet uh-huh I need a better comeback because as Elise her daughter pointed out to me astutely she saw my glee and was like oh this is fantastic She said Adam just so you know people think that you're basically a moron Yeah, because the thinking is if you have this phone you're such an idiot. You can't even control a smartphone so it's not really something to be happy about and I think that's true So i'm looking for the appropriate response that'll just wow them Well yeah we have the core of producers that listen to this show That will come up with something better than what we can do right now

2:05:41 One, like says I don't even use the...I mean have the phone. You know? I've noticed a couple of things first though this happened at an event. I forgot my phone. I usually forget my phone all the time but hey I needed to make a call and so it turns out you can go up there pretty much any random person that is in a group event just ask them to use their phone and they always say this by that I've done this a lot and they always say the same thing Well, as long as you're not calling Europe. Really? What does America say really as long as you're not calling your how come that's as long as you're not calling ISIS

2:06:22 No, it's always you know as long as your not calling Europe. But that but that's your comeback and your comeback is no It's just my CIA handler or no. No, is just my ISIS cell Yeah I'm not pushing my luck. I just want to get the phone so If you came up to me like can I make I'm like are you okay? Do you need your medication something terribly wrong Can I help you no one asked you for the phone anymore? I do So what I'd do by the way as a courtesy is I punch in the number I'm calling and I show it to them and they see it's a local number, and they go okay great. And so then you can be on the phone for as long as you want. So that is one way of getting around the... People are very amenable to this, so it's not really hard to do. The other thing I noticed was that at dinner we have the kids who got their phones in there, and one of things about the conversation said people always looking up facts usually they get the old man say hey now your wrong! Yeah they're going to Snopes to get the facts?

2:07:20 So what I've started to do is we'll be talking about something at the table and then I'll say, who's got a phone? Look it up. Look it up! So I'm demanding that the kids look stuff up constantly. I don't have to do any of the work. It's almost like... In fact you have just created a better Alexa Yeah, exactly. You just say hey look it up! Look it up you stupid kid! Sometimes two people will be looking it up and then they can have Alexa and Google Home that's great And they will read right from the wiki page or whatever they found in varying voices Fantastic People don't waste your money on talking tubes from Amazon and Google and Apple make a kid

2:08:06 You can't do it. But your kid talked to you! And they do it gladly, it's not like they're complaining Oh I gotta train at least Yeah, yeah but you can do it now that you have the dumb phone because you can't look stuff up like the kids can Well actually what is happening now is that she's not taking her phone to dinner Oh well there's a drawback to that which is you can't look stuff up And she's like, oh okay I'll go OTG. Well I'll tell her that's wrong someone has to have the Uber app just in case someone needs the Uber app. Well anyway... Most people aren't going do what either one of us would do One, I don't care and I don't even keep a phone with me

2:08:59 Or go off the grid with still having the phone but having some dumb old phone. Nobody's gonna do that, you can give this OTG lecture till it blew in the face and your not going to get anyone to switch I want to hear from one producer that says they're gonna switch Oh we have tons of producers who've switched The Nokia E71 is in new production in China They're just cranking those things out they cant sell them fast enough Ive invested in Nokia It's probably not a bad investment. Nokia it there at about six dollars and twelve cents now Nokia is You watch these guys you keep a sharp eye on what they're doing. They they've seen they see the hole in the marketplace They see that they start off as a rubber boot company These guys know their markets though yeah, they've gone through one thing after another from rubber boots and they Know what they're doing there manufacture And they're coming out with a new line of they are coming out with a line of smartphones which will be like 150 bucks or something

2:10:03 Yeah, well everyone's doing that. But I think the feature phone reintroducing some of those as a they've already started doing that as a nostalgia type thing that you'd buy at Urban Outfitters next to your vinyl record player so they're doing that and they'll find a market there and then just have to figure out that they need the QWERTY keyboard once it with that back on people are gonna love them again Anyway, okay. We'll come up with a couple of lines for you line some lines Like hey man like it's too much I'm not into the burden It has to save the climate I think that would be better oh Have to have the right words yeah? Oh yeah well But I'm I'm saving the climate and

2:10:53 Okay, saving the world by doing this and the more you talk about negatively about it. You're just passing off more co2 Killing the world Thanks to wrap up the OTG segment producer Kenneth sent a note about GPS as in cars and remote Turnoff and he sent in a note saying you mentioned tracking vehicles are remotely turning off on I want to let you know this is from the finance company. My girlfriend... That's what the original note said! Okay, well he says my girlfriend of 10 years has worked for a credit union and told me that if they financed someone with a low credit rating they will install a GPS unit so they can repo. How about that?

2:11:47 Well, I don't know what almost every car's got a GPS built into it somewhere. Yeah but people sometimes finance old Lexus and stuff maybe the starting is something else maybe that's what i was thinking you need to make a payment somebody sucked something on there they're draining the battery I'm gonna show my school by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that! Oh yeah, that'd be fab! We do have a few people to thank for Show 1043... very few as a matter of fact

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2:22:05 slash n a jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs you've got karma A couple names on the list for today. We have no nights and no title changes, so you'll have to do with this for our segment Ryan Brady will be 27 on the 20th we congratulate him in advance Rachel and Daniel Vasquez say happy birthday to Sean McKenzie in Sandy Oregon He celebrated on the 10th of June and Lisa Stelter says happy birthday to her smoking hot husband Paul His birthday is on the 20th of June. We also say a happy birthday and Happy Father's Day

2:22:50 OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOM Okay, well let's start. Let me start can I start with a Schumer clip? Sure thing Does it explain what it is? We must remember that not everyone knows the following It explains the falling Trumps a jerk. That's what amounts and apparently the IG report confirmed it

2:23:39 So we now know the long-awaited report from the Inspector General has been made public. Several things are crystal clear, first and foremost anyone who is hoping to use this report to undermine the Mueller probe or prove the existence of a deep state conspiracy against President Trump will be sorely disappointed Those of us who are interested in the truth, however, are pleased to know that the Inspector General wrote time and time again that when it came to the Clinton email investigation quote no evidence

2:24:15 that the no evidence that the conclusions by department prosecutors were affected by bias or improper considerations. No evidence that the conclusions by department prosecutors were affected by bias for other improper considerations rather we concluded that they were based on the prosecutor's assessments of and past department practices. Plain and simple, couldn't be plainer, couldn't be a more strong repudiation of those who wish to say that there was bias in the Mueller investigation. Did Director Comey, the FBI, and DOJ handle the public aspects of the investigation into Hillary Clinton's email correctly? Of course not

2:25:10 We Democrats said that then the inspector general makes it clear now You know this was such a great move by the office of the Inspector General and for those who haven't followed This American news. This is a huge report 546 pages I think and it is supposed to show what went down with the email Clinton invest, the Clinton email investigation and then how that then some of the same people transitioned into the Russian collusion investigation. But the office of the Inspector General is you know it has a job and it's like as like the HR department

2:25:55 of a company. So it will always kind of try to protect the integrity of the corporation, of the FBI and if you read this report and I have read it, I've read all of it... It's useless! What is great at is giving us a lot of factoids but whenever comes and really there are two things in here that show its uselessness One is this there's no evidence of this bias Now, you can argue that the text messages are biased. You know, the text message of agent Strock saying to FBI lawyer Page who are in a romantic...the FBI lovers that hey baby don't worry about it. He's not gonna become president I'll stop this. I'll take care of it for you. So I can kind of understand where yeah that's not really evidence The bias is there but but you know to say that there's evidence now they didn't have any actual evidence that showed they were messing around

2:26:53 Because that's all very subjective. The second part was the foreign entities or governments had obtained classified documents and it says in the language of the report, through email cyber or other means Which is really wishy-washy because what they're doing is not saying it came from her server, it got hacked and you know so therefore the real problem because she had confidential documents on her illegal independent outside of all security email server. It could have also been through other means. So it's a bull crap report

2:27:32 The thing that really got me was the incredible collusion between FBI agents and lawyers and the press, which of course didn't get a lot of play in the press in M5M. But there's sporting events and lunches and parties and all kinds of stuff... And you see the little diagram in the report where you have one agent and it has 20 people talking to him You know one reporter talking to 20 different agents and they have directional diagrams in which way the information is going. So this kind of report you can cherry pick on both sides whatever you want out of it and make your case now I actually found that old Mika clip that we were looking for on the previous show, I didn't find it someone sent it to me.

2:28:21 This is what the media wants you to do as an obedient slave. Trump supporters, they go yeah you guys are going crazy he's doing... What are you so surprised about? He's doing exactly what he said he's going to do Well and I think that the dangerous edges here or that he's trying to undermine the media trying to make up his own facts And it could be that while unemployment and the economy worsens, he could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control exactly what people think. That is our job to control what people think you stupid slave! So you listen up and that's exactly what's happening there are a couple of other interesting bits in it

2:29:10 And I was kind of on the fence about this one at first. In there it is very clear that President Obama communicated with Hillary Clinton by sending email to her hrc at clintonemail dot com address, which was the off-site server And I actually thought to myself, well... You know it's not like he's the president. He's not going to type in the email address and this is Hillary Clinton you know we just uh It just says her name so he just uses that or comes back. Not every email program shows the email address that it comes from Sometimes you have an outlook, you have to click details So I gave him a little bit of leeway until I heard Dan Bongino

2:29:57 I like Dan. He's the ex-Secret Service guy who has his own show on NRA TV, so you could say he might be a little right of center But he explained exactly how email communication works in the White House and then I was like, you know I think Obama is full of crap. The most damning revelation I think you just nailed it is that Barack Obama receiving emails from Hillary Clinton's personal not state.gov account which she didn't have now quick thing on this the White House Communications Agency WACA that's responsible for President Obama now president Trump's communications how to whitelist that email address, Tucker. In other words somebody had to tell WACA hey put that personal email address in Barack Obama's phone Who told them? Are you still gonna stick to this story Barack Obama and team that you had no idea Hillary had a personal email account plausible deniability here is gone and out the window Do you think Barack Obama on his personal Blackberry was getting spam emails about a flower sale for Mothers Day

2:30:59 Those emails had to be whitelisted before they even hit the BlackBerry. Meaning somebody gave WACA that email address and said, hey this Hillary Clinton personal one? Don't worry! This one's A-OK! So I'd say there is some collusion going on there... Yeah, I wasn't aware of WACA. I like the acronym WHCA. Now so if you feel like reading the report thing was in last in the last episode show notes you can find it It's really disheartening because what you see is that just like any corporation you've ever worked in, the United States government is a shit show. From beginning to end it's rotten...it's like all because it's just like a company there you know executives are assholes people backstab each other they collude they try to come up with schemes they do all kinds of things and it's just this crap! That's what organizations are filled with people People look out for themselves and it's just shit

2:32:01 And, you know it's disheartening but it's not the beautiful dream of the great American government with just as banana republic as anybody else. There is some violation though as Congress has repeatedly asked for all of the text messages between the FBI lovers Peter Strzok and Lisa Page And one of the shocking, shocking things was that when the Inspector General report came out there were text messages that had been requested in the date...in the time frame I presume and date range of The Lovebirds but they never received yet the Office of Inspector General did have these text messages.

2:32:42 The Inspector General's report shining a new light on texts between FBI agent Peter Strzok and his girlfriend, FBI lawyer Lisa Page. In an exchange included in the report, Page asked Strzok quote Trumps not ever going to become president right? Right? Strzok responds, no. No he won't we'll stop it while the inspector general said he did not find documentary evidence that political bias affected any decision-making He concluded that because of his views Strzok may have improperly prioritized the Russia investigation over the Clinton probe during the final weeks of the campaign. Bill, one other extraordinary fact maybe you can shed some light that second part of that struck exchange with Page Congress had asked for

2:33:31 And that was left out of what was provided to Congress. The Lisa Page part they got from Ron Johnson, but the other part did not. The question is whether it was a glitch or whether it was deliberately excluded. A GLITCH! Shut up about the glitch! So that's just a little joke for you but I am going to tell you that what the FBI has produced is all completely incomplete Incomplete information. I've looked at every text message in this report, and in today's day and age this is...and it's a travesty! I can't believe no one's picking up on this. In the printed versions of the report

2:34:15 There's not a single emoji in any of these text messages. And let me tell you something, emojis are very important part of context and...and of todays communication and there should at least be one eggplant emoji between these two so this is incomplete information. Well? I don't know that everybody uses emojis. Every... these two, come on! There's no heart there's no double hearts there's no vibrating heart there's no eggplant emoji with raindrops come on! Yeah it's an interesting thesis It's all the whole thing is bulk we're not getting any of the real information

2:35:02 Really not. It's a nice job... Well, it was the same thing with that Lois Lerner case! That has been going on forever and is pretty much now a known fact that she was like abusing the powers of the IRS. Is still going huh? Yeah they're still yeah because there you know they finally getting enough my goodness I mean they should throw her in jail that woman Now I believe that there is still another oig omg report forthcoming and that will be specifically about the Russia investigation But I expect more of the same, and it's just a time waster And it's the time in money waste and it pollutes the airwaves. Yeah well It really does just pollute some oh

2:35:45 It rarely happens. Rarely do we see this kind of convocation, although it's being positioned in a very unique way and it's being used exactly the opposite of how I'd like to see it used. We had a shooting in Colorado is a very scary one this guy in Westminster Colorado you know he chased people chase them this guy's you know sick sick sick But listen to the local report. I felt safe here my whole life and i honestly don't feel safe anymore. 23 year old Jeremy Webster was arrested for several charges including first-degree murder Westminster police believe it was a case of road rage court records say webster told police he had mental issues and started taking new prescription medications. I don't buy that anymore, that's a cop out so they don't end up in prison you know so they don't get a death penalty or they

2:36:55 You know, you can't use this as an excuse to take someone's life. Attorney David Brown says Webster's claim is not unusual so if he was prescribed something that had a unforeseen result that made him psychotic or detached from reality, that could be a complete defense to everything he's charged with. Brown says the jury will have to decide if medications and Webster's mental state played a role in the shooting some say they may never understand what drove a man to shoot four strangers including two kids for now

2:37:31 They just want the family to know that child will never be forgotten. So this will be a very interesting case, and it sounds like the spin here is already there. Let's get one person off the street one and one only who said that's just the defense to use it to defend from killing people sad but this will be a big case for me. Well definitely good for the show Yeah, it's not gonna change anything in the world. Is that what you're telling me? You just gonna knock me down and tell me I'm Swinging at windmills nice try nice try curry yeah gotcha

2:38:10 I heard, i got an offbeat clip here. Get out of the way this woman actress Bryce something or other she's in the new Jurassic Park film and so you know how much acting is done anymore they just put people in situations where they just freak out and then they film it and then they say that's acting when it's not acting at all So what does the director of this movie The New Jurassic Park Film Jurassic World. Is this Bryce Dallas Howard? Yes, Bryce Howard and so she was they make it so that would apparently they're in a ball at some point it falls into the water and all the rest of them they have been screaming and then she describes a situation how they filmed that they put

2:38:52 They created a little roller coaster and then they filmed the roller coaster, but she's deathly afraid of roller coasters. She goes on and on about this but he makes her get in this thing, this contraption is very small roller coaster and starts filming it and then she describes experience in this clip. But let me just ask the question before I play the clip which is Isn't this some sort of, isn't this like against California labor laws? This sounds like unbelievable abuse and nobody picks up on it. Jimmy Fallon cracks up he thinks it's hilarious but just listen to this horror that they put this woman through just to get a shot I was so afraid that Justice Smith actually just reminded me of this a couple of days ago, that with each take you know you kind of normally the sense you get sort of more and more confident with each take. With each take my panic increased and substantially and by like the fifth or sixth take there's like so much fear and justice told me and i remember this now um i was like

2:39:55 And I blacked out! I went, huh! And then it stopped and then I kind of like came to. That's a fantastic acting Bryce you are genius You were fantastic We got it we got it! You look like you were passed out there Yeah you were so afraid that you fainted Oh man if Obama was president he'd give her the Congressional Medal Of Courage I just found this to be distressing that, you got the Hollywood and it's Me Too movement and the Hate Trump movement all the stuff going on. And then we have... This is not... Talk about abuse! Well? This is abuse! Yeah but that's what they sign up for You're an actor. Well they signed up for getting sexually abused too if your working for The Weinstein Company Yes. This is Ron Howard's kid she's pretty protected I'm sure Well I think they should rethink

2:40:50 So that's why she is such a noticeable redhead. They should rethink this! And I think Howard should, you know... The whole thing is just a bad idea. I mean, I just thought it was very abusive. She passed out! I'm glad that you're standing up for actresses. They need more defense to continue. Now you tweeted this thing out about Jeff Bezos the bees Meister yeah, and the WAPO video Do you want to play that level? Yeah because I figured I'd clip it if you wanted to talk about it

2:41:30 Yeah, sure. I think it's hilarious. Dear Jeff Bezos... Dear Jeff Bezos... Dear Jeff Bezos... Dear Jeff Bezos... I'm a graphics reporter. I am a video editor. I am a food writer. I am the global opinions editor. I'm an advertising account manager. I'm an embedded audience editor. I'm a Metro Reporter and co-chair of the Guild at The Washington Post We're extremely grateful that you bought The Washington Post we've taken your long runway And we've given in our all In the past year alone, The Post has doubled the number of its digital subscriptions and increased online traffic by more than half. Its advertising team has met or exceeded all of its targets More than a year ago, The Guild's bargaining committee entered into negotiations with The Post hoping to achieve some of the benefits for our members and share in the success that we've had for the past year What we found instead is a profound unwillingness by The Post top management to meet us halfway on a lot of issues that are important to us

2:42:21 We've won the right to ask for a pay review based on the possibility of gender or minority-based pay disparity. And we've also won the right to have spouses who both work at The Post take paid family leave, but we've been met with unyielding resistance on almost every other issue important to us and we've only basically managed keep the worst things from happening I'm fighting for a decent raise because i believe everyone who has contributed to the post's success deserves to share in it. I'm fighting for equal pay because regardless of gender or skin color we all deserve to be paid the same for equal work. I'm fighting for better retirement benefits and higher 401k match, because while I love working at The Washington Post

2:43:01 I would one day like to be able to retire from it. I'm fighting to retain some amount of job security because as i'm investing my time in the Post, I hope that The Washington Post is also investing in me. I'm fighting for a decent service package that won't require me to give up my legal rights Our stories aren't unique Mr Bezos More than 400 of our colleagues have signed this petition and they're just asking you to listen. I love working at The Washington Post I love working at the Washington Post. I love working at the Washington Post, but it's been more than a year we deserve more and we deserve better. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I love seeing this play out. This is great

2:43:51 Like, hey. Hey wait a minute you bought us you said give us this long runway and we've been really been working hard now we want more money! We want... You're rich man give us some of your money! Yeah pretty much that's what it is like oh yeah exactly what it is. We want that someone we want some of the internet money man Jeff Bezos So they have a guild they have a union he screwed I predict a strike. He doesn't know how to deal with unions Maybe you're right well, we'll find out won't wait I hope Strike strike if he does know how to deal with unions I can assure you who's gonna do the wrong thing What would the wrong that is classic don't yeah? Yeah, I did gotta be tough with these guys You gotta be tough nobody stuff. I'm a tough guy you think he's gonna do

2:44:43 That's him. And so he brought this on himself by bragging about how they're doing so well, he did this about I don't know four or five months ago it comes out we're doing great all these other newspapers aren't doing as well as we are because they're stupid and yeah you know he brought it on himself yes Well we'll see...I got some note from one producer who was saying how horrible Washington state is Especially Seattle. He says the homeless situation there is crazy Is that true hasn't been to San Francisco? Is it is that way you did that's worse than Seattle I mean people are saying Seattle's pretty bad, especially the RVs The RVs are parked everywhere

2:45:26 Lightweights. What do you mean, lightweights? Oh no, San Francisco's got them. They've got RVs, they've got trailers, they've got people living in their cars, they've got people on the streets and they live in tents or shooting up it's unbelievable. It's fantastic what a great place to be. And then pooping in the streets there is no Seattle Poop Map! Not yet, but I would say there is it's why said they're behind him says San Francisco's ahead of them. I would say what a minute There's at least there's at least Seven or eight more poop maps that could easily be made and I think that there's there's a market Market get a corner on the poop map market. That's right. I'm trying I'm trying both let's get some VC funding You have anything else are we good

2:46:14 No, I'm pretty good. But I just want to mention a note from Elliot Lang who discussed the police and ex-policeman and chief of police in our report on that technology says it's bullcrap! Which technology? The one where they did shell casings thing Oh okay yeah really he goes on and on. I will read this, or either going to post it on the website that I'm working on which I probably won't get to, or I'm gonna read it in the next show and then we also have just by coincidence Ryan Thompson who wrote for The Last Show who is a guy with two master's degrees as a teacher. He wrote into discuss the learn dot kqed dot org site. Yes yes! And I'll say that I have eight or nine different

2:47:01 Notes from producers which I'm moving to Thursday. So this would be a tease or do you want to read the whole note? It's kind of long Yeah, he's gonna mention that He just said it's just kind of funny the way puts his language and put my knowledge from that My two master degrees to work but this site seems to be just another drop in the ocean of sites and curriculum programs are designed to give students a digital learning experience That ends with them having learned jack shit Yeah, and how many masters does he have in education? Step it up man He goes on so I Most of these would be worth reposting in their entirety online So well, I'm putting them aside for that purpose. No, I may read from him on the next show And we'll definitely read some more of the I'm putting it under a header heading of edutainment

2:47:49 Because that's what school seems to be in the business of these days, so edutainment. And there are always show notes for those who want to take a look at them, nashownotes.com and a plethora of fun things which we will bring to the table on Thursdays edition of The Best Podcast In The Universe, your no agenda show. Remember us at dvorak.org slash NA before we need that value to flow in our network. The Value Network with life-saving tips And coming to you from downtown Austin, Texas. This is the capital of the drone star state FEMA region 6 on the governmental maps if you're looking for it in the 5-9 Cluedio and the common law condo in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I wish everybody a happy Father's Day and they have a good Sunday today Thank you for listening. I'm John C. DeBorah until Thursday as always Adios

2:48:51 I need a cab. So he can, but he won't. Or will he? Or would even need to? Does that jive with you? But first let's talk about bugs. Perform for a hate group or say Steve Bannon's birthday party. Crickets Not for ourselves I love the gays And not for the ISPs Say Steve Bannon's birthday party Crickets Just not for ourselves

2:49:32 But um, not for the ISP. Really? Or would he even need to? 35 million! Not for the ISP. Need to party? Crickets Just two For Willie? For ourselves? But um... Wow We have a 175 million Russia out. They should let Russia come back. 275 and then artistic first ISPs I'm an artist, I'm a stand-up comic. Clean potholes of pads past. Not your service. They asked me to do Not for ourselves, Steve Bannon's birthday party and a comic with ISPs. They are born for hate groups, ISP, ISP, ISP endeavor. And it's a artistic endeavor in the pop just like Skinlight Summer Exam. We love to do not maximizing rap born from a hate group. It's a artistic endeavor and ourselves, Skinlights of Comic Poop for ourselves too. Performing ASPS is Steven Skinlights Peez.

2:50:31 crown all day to we are watching that was a attorney general Eric called the ABD's about some Republicans at home Already beating the drums of war today the Pentagon refuted that claim and he said the American people do not want him to quote Dwindling either they do not want him dwindling his thumbs. You can get a gig as a caught contortionist intravenous fluids and pills coated with galette gelatin we don't

2:51:15 Don't leave our women or men in uniform behind. It's a monument to the hubris of Dick Cheney, Representative Raul Arra Labrador. Years of abuse I personally apologize to Mr. Peebus just ask Soon to be former congressman Democrats are outright jitty CIA's countering- Counter tourism, counter terrorism center Veteran Affairs Secretary Shin-ShinSketty Shit why do I always mess up his name? Shinseki. I love my critics have fun with that

2:52:01 Big strong guys, some wonderful women. They're all hugging and kissing everyone's crying. Somebody said did you have a facelift? No! Did she have this? Did she had that? I mean the speculation which is what you need You need different, you need like the opposite. I did nothing wrong there was no collusion Any collusion?! I love trade. You know trade has always been my thing even 20 years ago When we have laws changed it will be like perfecto. I signed an agreement where we get everything Everything Yeah they said they will stop me Up next on tonight's open mic night, we have someone here going by the name of Kim Jong Trevor. Please put your hands up for him. This is a love song for his special friend. We primed our missiles last night pre-flight Zero hour nine AM And it's gonna be high over Japan by then

2:53:15 I miss the west so much, I miss Dennis Rodman It's so lonely here in the north In such a timeless land It's gonna be a long long time Till Dennis Rodman gets to come drum down. I'm not the man they think i am outside Oh-oh! I'm a rockin' band

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