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00:00 Nah! In celebrating good times and broadcasting live from the Cop with a Drone Star State here in Austin, Tejas in the Clunio. In the morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where it's gloomy and by the way The Garbage Trucks have already gone by so has the train. I am John C. DuBois. Alright, so you're a little uh little are you under the weather or just congested fine? But it's just like I'm congested. Yeah You got your knees like the traffic by the way yeah nasally The only difference is I don't have potholes Yet yeah, you do ah as if that scourge wasn't enough oh

01:02 Have you run into any of these scooters, these electric scooters in San Francisco? No. Most of them actually go hit... a lot of them they don't report on this but there go driving down the road and then they hit debris or the garbage in the streets or whatever and a lot of me hit human feces and they go flipping They go flipping over heels. No, that's not true I have a report from San Francisco on the latest on the garbage situation On the garbage or on that because these scooters is what I was you know they've now infiltrated Austin these electric scooters there everywhere

01:39 What they're doing in San Francisco is confiscating them because what people do, they leave them all over the place. That's the whole point you're allowed to... The company allows it. They are dropping them off at the bottom of stair steps and dumping everywhere so the city is grabbing them and keeping them. I know a guy who goes out in the middle of night to collect them and then go charge them Yeah, which is what a great job. No it's not a great job But more importantly it really I mean I don't know It's this whole thing is so un-Austin if I can say anything like that to have these scooters And just and everyone's on the sidewalks with them its downtown has become annoying Get off my sidewalk with your damn scooter get those scooters off the sidewalk exactly turning into you

02:29 No, I'm not that way. I think it's fantastic that there are all these scooters everywhere running in the human poop and in the garbage they can't clean up and when I was coming back from that last trip Yeah There was somebody actually who were discussing this on the first class line I wasn't next to that line because I was not a first-class thing I don't see San Francisco as the filthiest Third were first world city there is it's like Calcutta And so they had a they had a discussion of this on the news because they're trying everyone knows this and The guy who is responsible for bringing conventions, and he says they're losing business rightfully So yes, and I have a clip filled with debris litter

03:15 human waste and drug paraphernalia. Mayor Mark Farrell wants to spend nearly 13 million dollars the next two years to clean up the filth The mayor wants five new pit stops like this one sort of one-stop shopping with these dog waste bags and needle disposals 3.5 million dollars will be earmarked for new steam street cleaning equipment DPW's Mohammed Nuru says they're getting hundreds of calls for service every day and we're double and triple shifting our steam cleaners and a lot of our equipment with this funding will be able to buy some more equipment

03:54 The plan will include hiring 44 new cleaning workers who'll target districts which need help the most. Loretta Lawrence says her Excelsior neighborhood is one of them. I have to walk through human feces all over the sidewalks. Some residents are skeptical, they've heard the promises before and i think they're putting a lot of money into programs that aren't working but it is a crisis and we need act Joe D'Alessandro heads SF Travel, the city's convention and visitors agency. We took a short walk down Market Street near the financial district we didn't have to look far before we found trash blocking part of a roadway. The dirty unsafe streets he says are taking a toll.

04:38 Definite groups that have said that they can't come to San Francisco as long as the streets are like this The message from Mayor Farrell time just stop talking trash time to do something about it Is an interesting crossover with this I just... Well, before you go on though. I want to mention at the beginning of that report they talked about this one stop thing where they have a bathroom and then they place your put used needles Yeah And and a doggy bag thing The doggy bag thing is not for dog poop It's for human poop Yeah Welcome to San Francisco the filthiest town it's been run by Democrats forever This shows I'm reading the what is this? Insider

05:20 People are vandalizing the scooters taking over San Francisco with everything from stickers which they put on the QR code, which is very funny Oh more they bloody know. That's just a great idea for us take well this is what thank you Well let me finish the story then skip back to that because it is a good idea The other thing they're doing is there pooping on the scooters? On the step part Which makes a lot of sound yeah But yes, what an opportunity. So the way these things work is there's a QR code on the top you scan that with the app and then it I guess it activates so you can drive it but we just need to know agenda QR sticker to be on there just pops up the no agenda website yeah It's just another fabulous idea she's covered with no agenda stickers anyway

06:10 Yeah, this idea is some VC funded thing. And it just popped out of nowhere and everywhere started a couple months ago maybe a little longer but if it first starts showing up as a nuisance a couple of months And you see these little racks of... there's also bikes. There's a bunch of bike operations that are similar. Yeah, we got that too and I don't mind the bike operation because... The bikes are the same thing. No! They leave them all over town. No no they have to put them back unless it is a different operation. Oh okay here you have to put it back into the rack? Well yeah Anyway, this is all part of just get out of the car and let's walk more so you can step in dog poop Human human poop even better. Yeah hmm I think it's just more signs of the pending making me sick depending apocalypse It's not gonna end well any of this hey at this show now officially being archived for the Royal Dutch Library How about that?

07:14 This show is being archived by the Royal Dutch Library. Yes, I received a very long very thoughtful email from them Which was pretty much because you're famous Dutchman? Yes who's not it that's not a dutchman yes exactly It must be related and they said well we're now gonna archive and to give all these URLs one of which is You know Adam curry comm slash everything that's everything that's the show notes, that's the MP3 file links to the links of the mp3 files at least as soon as we have them. We're getting pretty close to some transcribing stuff will put that in automatically and so because it's all underneath that domain name this is all being archived and there then I was really nice like if you have any reason you don't want this let us know we won't archive it like no please let us live on forever

08:05 That's great. Forever we should, better than Madame Tussauds. I saw a report last night... Are you gonna put a picture? They're gonna put you and Madame Tussauds thing? No! I was going to bring something up last night but i don't know it was Trump and Melania in Madame Tussauds so I didn't even know which one and I just had to stop for seconds there. You couldn't tell the difference No, Madame Tussauds is horrible. It looks nothing like the people in question. Yeah I noticed this But something happened because when i was a kid...I get to say it Madame Tussauds, which I think at that time was only in London. And a big deal you went there is like oh my god the likeness is uncanny and many of these people had stood model they had the you know the The plaster put over their face and everything to really make sure they got the right contours and someone along line Someone hijacked this brand They bought it. They franchised it

09:00 Because now every country has a Madame Tussauds somewhere, but there's no real likeness. It's just bad puppets! Bad mannequins of famous people. Every once in awhile there is a good one. Rarely and the one of Donald and Melania Trump is not at all... I mean none of them. Just bring up any random Madame Tussauds website what happened there? Why do people still go to stand in between likenesses that don't look like the people what kind of idiots are you wet wear? Just a bunch of wet wear people. It's stupid where this is your new word it is And I think that's really where we're going as we are the way, but we are the wetwear So since you mentioned Donald Melania, I would like to make some commentary on their dinner ah with my calm and his

09:50 Jean-Pierre wife yes, and I want to do that because I saw the check for the Dinner out that Macron held with the Donna Donna Donna Melania and Donald Yes at the Jules Verne Oh The check as in the bill what they what they had and what they paid presumably. Yes Apparently is about a party of about 24, and they bought a bottle of here we go mm-hmm here We go of the Midas 30 liter, that Ace of Spades champagne. I'm not familiar with it Well this is a champagne Armand de...I have to go look it up the exact name but its very famous champagne and it's so good that the brand is actually owned by Jay Z Ah! So anything owned by Jay Z is now considered good including The Nets?

10:48 No, no. The wine was good Here's what happened the way I this is to my understanding Jay-z who's a promoter of product and I think he's a musician maybe yeah, and the rapper a rapper Well, he's a promoter Yeah, and he When his marriage somebody famous what's her name? I can't remember Queen B Bay bay chela Bianchi Beyonce And he was doing a thing, I guess he was doing a deal with Rotarer and he had beef because he was a Cristal drinker. It's just a big deal that there is about 10 of these super champagnes and Cristals which happens to also be my favorite in that league.

11:40 Apparently I got into a beef because, what happened...I think because i've noticed that a lot of the champagne vendors get very irked when you take their $200 bottle of champagne shake it up and then spray on somebody. To the French this is a great insult Of course! It's an insult to me! It's an insult everybody! Yes, its stupid If your gonna spray, get some cooks By the way it's called popping bottles, popping bottles in the club Get some cooks, shake it up and spray all over the place. But Louis Rotorish Cristal or Dom Perignon, Dom as they like to call it is not really the stuff when I see people shaking it up and spraying in on each other I think it's disgusting there's other stuff you can do with so apparently this beef led him to this of another peculiar champagne which is a little kind

12:35 over-manufactured product. It has a lot of idiosyncrasies to it, it's very much like a Krug and it wins a lot of awards. This is not a slouch of a product I always thought was just some junk somebody put together just to fool the black man. Okay yeah sure And no that's not the case at all turns out to be this fabulous product and so that is what for some reason I think Macron bought this, and it's a 30 liter bottle. It's the biggest bottle of champagne you can buy from any brand. And it weighs 100 pounds. The bottle itself weighs 100 pounds. And then I should mention just as little aside here, and I'm gonna actually stop pretty quickly because I know this bores a lot of people but champagne in anything other than a Magnum, another bigger bottles is all made in other bottles and then poured into the big bottle

13:29 They don't actually make it in the bottle when it's a big giant. I hadn't really thought about it, but does that make a difference right? So hmm okay Yeah, yeah, I think it does because you got your pouring the champagne is going flat I mean whether you know You're gonna lose carbonation It's not gonna be so they said they have an ensealed bottles then they open those bottles or they put it in the bottle Yeah, they open those bottles and then put them in a new bottle and then cork it yeah Wow I didn't know that. Well, because the way champagne is made the bottle is like set up on a rack and you shake it and you make all the sediment fall to the bottom You can only do that with certain size bottles And you can't do with these monster bottles so you have to kind of fake it So Macron paid...and so its on the bill 130 thousand euros Did he pay with Visa?

14:22 I don't know, maybe massive. Or crypto? I have no idea but it seemed extravagant So with that in mind and that was...I don't know what the dinner was they had at the you know government dinner was but That thing was ridiculous And he also had some like a $10,000 bottle of tequila I had to look this up! I never heard of this tequila But its apparently about 10 grand Wow How about the wine they served at the dinner? And by the way, and on that same list two glasses of Coca-Cola. 24 bucks What do you think that was for yeah I don't know what restaurant was this again That was a Jules Verne so i can avoid it Oh no Jules Verne's is great place Yeah but I can't afford that $12 coke You're not going to be buying that kind of thing For one thing its an insult Hi! Im here for dinner Id like 2 cokes Thats it Thankyou and some bread

15:24 Yeah, well they're assuming you're gonna it's normal. It's a two-star restaurant so it's not cheap. So the... Well I want to ask something else unless you need to continue with this at that have another wine question? Well I was going on with some more wine tips. Oh because I want to ask you about the wine they served at the state dinner. I'm on that page as we speak! Okay So they had a Chardonnay and for one thing, they did have a Schramsberg Cremeau which is not a favorite of mine. A sort of sweet wine for dessert which came from California but everything else no! We're doing Oregon. And I think that was a direct insult to California because California has better wine than Oregon No offense Oregonians Oh i'm sure it was a direct slam It makes nothing but sense But at the same time it wasn't a slouch selection

16:16 He had Domaine Serene Chardonnay, Evanston Reserve 2015 which probably needs another year or two of aging. It's a read from the press release. A combination of French plants from Dijon and thrive in the volcanic Oregon soil at colder temperatures. The wine was aged 40% in French oak barrels for more than 12 months. This is a good chardonnay. There are better chardonnays on the West Coast than this I would say that you could get one of the Woodward Canyon Chardonnays from Washington State, which tastes a lot like a French Burgundy. And that's what I would have gotten but it's another... Then for the red they serve Domaine Drouhin Pinot Noir Lorraine which is a special small planting 2014 which is not old enough

17:04 They could have gotten bottles of the 2008 or some of the other better vintages. I don't know why they didn't. DeWine uses the model French sole Oregon soil, Druhan is a French owner. Oh and that makes it okay? Isn't it the grapes are from...the seed is from France and they plant it here? The seed! You plant from cuttings not seeds. Ah oh no wonder my champagne is no good My Andres, Andre 17 is my brand. Andre's a good one to spray! It doesn't spray out of the box that's the problem. Just swing the box around put it rope on the box. Yeah! Centrope! Now yeah all right there were other things going on with the visit unless you need to speak more about the warrant? No I was just gonna say

17:58 This is to me, this is not as bad as your Ruyi. Yes from the Dutch King. From the Dutch king? That was that was ultimately the question I consider this could have done better. Okay. Put it that way. It's got...I wouldn't pass up the dinner No no by the way I think I can copy most of this meal okay now I'll be right over Anyway, go on. Yes, Macron did more than just eat and spend money and chat and drink he also spoke in front of Congress And I think that there's something big afoot coming down first all why the hell is He even here you know what's the deal? Why is he in America? What I mean Just to hang out and talk about parades or is there something else going on oh

18:50 Seems to be promoting the climate change thing more than anything. No, no What he is what he is promoting? Is the next regime change it's been on the list I think we oversaw it We've been a little blinded by Syria Here is a part of his speech It's in English just takes a second to get into it for Iran our objective is clear Iran shall never possess any nuclear weapons Yeah, no nukes for Ron! Listen. No nukes very good we're happy we're happy it's good not now Not in five years Not in ten years Never! Never! Wooo! Okay everybody Gooo Macron Hit me again bro

19:52 But this policy should never lead us to war in the Middle East. Oh what? No, no we want war! We must ensure... Did you hear that?! It's like no one claps, no war... oh damn. Yeah the clapping dies way down. That's exactly why I left those first two in and took all the other ones out because they do that a lot but it's all this long clap and wow so happy and then no more war this policy should never lead us to war in the Middle East damn it warmongers these people good catch they just want war and respect sovereignty of the nations

20:39 including that one of Iran, which represents a great civilization. Let us not replicate past mistakes in the region. Let us not be naive on what side Let us not create new wars ourselves on the other side. There is an existing framework called the JCPOA known as the Iran deal for all the nuclear activity of Iran We signed it at the initiative of the United States we signed it both the United States and France Aha, so both the United States and France sign the nuclear I didn't even know France sign this deal

21:21 Did you? Yeah, I think so. I think it didn't know the UK and Russia also signed it. I'm not sure But they're not they're not in DC with a big fancy dinner Oh this guy is well We cannot say we should get rid of it like that Okay It is true to say that this agreement may not address all concerns and very important concerns Okay, what are those true? But we should not abandon it without having something substantial and more substantial instead. We have to work on this more comprehensive deal based, as discussed with President Trump yesterday

22:04 on four pillars. Okay, so as discussed with President Trump yesterday four pillars So this is our policy and he's bringing... Four pillows? And what are they gonna do here comes the substance of the existing agreement Especially if you decide to leave it The post 2025 period in order to be sure that we will never have any nuclear activity for Iran The containment of the military influence of the Iranian regime in the region and monitoring of ballistic activity. So I think it's point number three that is the one we need to look at, containing this military threat not necessarily to what's going on around Iran – Iran is pretty big but what they're doing internally

22:57 And from what I understand, I've done quite a lot of research on this and it really caught my eye when the Iranian government banned the use of cryptocurrency. Quite honestly they were talking about doing their own couple months ago so now if you're Iranian your not allowed to get into cryptos but there... What's their money? What's the currency called? I don't know what it is, a dinar or something like that. I think it's a dinar or the ducket The Iranian ducket... Oh look at them Out of fear of this looming May 15th date Is crashing significantly

23:37 And from what I understand, and Mnuchin is doing a lot of talking but he's not the one on the front page with this. It's Macron and Trump. It looks like more sanctions. The big fear is that we're going to go back to the swift sanction which turns them off from the international, certainly the EU banking community. This is very damaging because then they cannot sell any of their products And it is my belief now... The Riyal. Is the Riyal? That's what I thought it was. Although, wait isn't the Riyal for Saudi Arabia? Iranian Riyal. Hmm okay Iranian Riyal

24:16 It's my belief now that we're going to do, I mean in 2009 Obama and Hillary Clinton tried the Green Revolution in Iran. And I think we're gonna do a new one and I think that is looming... Well they tried it wasn't the purple one theirs or something? They were bailed out so no let's not do anything! No was the green one. It was the green one in 2009 yeah as far as I can recall. I think purple well wait a minute You may be right about that. There may have been another one, the purple one. Well regardless this probably won't be a color revolution but I think it's... It has to be otherwise you can't change your icons! It'll always be green for Iran and i'm pretty sure the Iranian people would be happy with it

25:00 So I think the pump is being primed. We're, you know...I went back and listened to all these reports about Syria and whenever they talk about Syria it's always Iran. It's Syria and Iran. And i think that this time we're serious. We know what's on the West Clark 5 list. It's one of the big ones. And clearly we want to renegotiate this stance. Well wasn't one of the big was it was the last one? It was finally, finally Iran Yes, it's the last one the way. It's presented well let's listen to Wes Clark. Let's uh I'm gonna see because I think he kind of puts it in a Where is this own categories the last one yeah here? We go here seven countries

25:43 in five years starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon Libya Somalia Sudan and finishing off Iran. Yeah finishing off. So we're not finishing it off now were finishing off Iran that's what I just heard is a new context and where to finish of Iran. Well it's not unusual in the broadest sense if human history that Iran gets wiped out Yeah, it's happened a number of times going back to Tamerlane. Yeah, Iranians were all always stubborn the Persians the Persian nation and I remember they got wiped out because this isn't the 10th century or something? I can't remember the year but it was back a ways before I was born and

26:29 I think it was a couple of emissaries came in, they wanted to do some deals and then they just shot them. So they came in and killed everybody. Yeah but at this point I'm pretty sure the Iranian population is like get these A-holes out of here! I mean go back... They can't yeah that's what they want to do but their religious problem that they have is really not that good Not that easy to overcome. But just, you know if you go look at...if you go Bing it and say pictures of Iran 1970s even 80's girls got mini skirts. They're using makeup they'd look pretty. Used to be that Farsi was the number one language on the internet very connected country all the kids got iPhones or they had them not sure what the status is now

27:13 So, I think they welcome that and I think that is what is on deck. Now, I do have a clip here from the Iranian president who's not so ready to jump on this plan. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has dismissed France's proposal to review an international deal on his country's nuclear program. French President Emmanuel Macron called for fresh negotiations on the back on Tuesday during his visit to Washington If Europe wants to work with or talk to the United States, that is none of our business. They can go ahead. We will not remain in the deal."

27:56 No matter what the circumstances are. I'm not done. Rouhani insisted in a speech on Wednesday that the nuclear deal will either be maintained or not, apparently rejecting possible reviews of the agreement signed in 2015 US President Donald Trump has suggested he may leave the deal. Macron's plan calls for reworking the accord to cover Iran's ballistic missile program and prevent the expansion of the country's influence in the Middle East. And notice, he misses that third point which is hey we got these...we got the military inside the country we gotta deal with them He had no mention of that in the report

28:35 Here's my theory though. Good catch! No, I don't think the M5M certainly isn't looking at Iran other than just this big vapid concept but I was looking so I thought wait a minute if their currency is dropping significantly and you know if you ban the use of cryptocurrencies of course everyone's gonna go and get them some crypto So I'm like, well maybe this would be a good tip for our crypto trading friends to grab some before May 15th. Of course you know May 15 may come and go without any change but then i was just looking at the charts and I saw that there was a... You know Bitcoin was up and I guess it went down a bit today but when Bitcoin goes up almost all the cryptos go up

29:22 in value, but in exchange value. This latest run started on April 13th. Okay? What happened April 14th? What? We bombed Syria! I mean there's a direct correlation... So they knew a day in advance that we're gonna bomb Syria?! I'm pretty sure that the rhetoric itself was enough on the 13th. I think Trump came out and said a couple things on the 13th and then next morning was or yeah then we woke up the next morning it was happening

29:59 So I think May 13th and 14 take a good look if stuff is running up or not. It could get very interesting, and i don't think there's any stopping it! And you know in...I don't know maybe you can eventually buy and sell oiling in some crypto fashion. There's a lot going on with this. I have to get out do for the next show I have a woman who was a gold bug that was on one of these podcasts And she was going on and on about some of the screwball coincidences with the cryptos. I'll put a report together, it's very interesting. She's always of the opinion that whole thing is set up by the banks. Well... who was it? I have it here somewhere. Yes! The St Louis Fed

30:56 came out with a whole report, the St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank there's number of them that make up the federal reserve and they have a report on the case for central bank electronic money and non-case for central bank cryptocurrencies what they're saying in fact is we welcome anonymous cryptocurrencies but they say you know a country should never issue that it should never be a federal reserve what their looking at now is they would love to have off course centrally organized digital currency so you know with the with Nasdaq CEO saying oh we're open to becoming a crypto trading platform when the market matures this is what this there's some interesting moves being made and the banks are not stupid they realize that they're being cut out of a lot of

31:49 A lot of transactions. I mean, again, I go back to the Netherlands where I walked down the one street in Rotterdam was phone store, phone store, phone store where you're not really buying a phone that's where you go and send cryptos to Morocco or whatever country you want to send it too This is going to be a big problem Going to be? It is a big problem I'm just not sure how it's going to be solved, but i think its gonna be love. Oh! It gets solved. Its gonna be honey you know? If it gets solved the banks win Sure But how will they solve it? How will they do it? That's for us to determine on the No Agenda show. Yeah, but I don't know if people... money is still just a concept it's just an idea so if these cryptocurrencies are seen as money and people really start using it you know and they live outside of the exchanging system which is the problem with it then the banks won't be able do anything or the government They can do at exchanges that's where they have all the power they want

32:53 And make sure you pay your taxes over any gains to make sure there's no illegal use, you know who's changing this I mean your dear KYC read have you ever heard of this KYC registration? Oh god No This pops up every which if you read some of these white papers that someone when when someone wants to start a cryptocoin they do an ICO initial coin offering and And they have a white paper which is in my mind the equivalence of an S1 filing for, you know like a NASDAQ IPO. And in it there's this thing with people want to get in early or you know this white listing all kinds of concepts I'm not very familiar with but they all say you need KYC registration and like what is KYC registration? I see it everywhere now! It stands for Know Your Customer. What does that even mean?!

33:50 I don't know, but somehow it's become this standardized thing in the crypto world that you KYC registrations. You know your customer and therefore you have seen some document that confirms their identity. What? It sounds like a marketing term, you know, Know Your Customer Wow, this is very suspicious. These things are too fishy for my taste They're very fishy course they are but you know of the of the number Of them that have been done in you know people have used it as an investment vehicle You know to instead of going through the banking system just say okay just buy Buy some of our crypto coin and you know it was not really shares But it kind of looks like it here have some of that

34:40 As long as you KYC. KYC man? It's very strange, KYC I don't know so we'll see. Well KYC in our case involves podcasting and So i finally watched Alex Inc. Oh You know I got to say something right off the bat about that The guy is using a mic you're using today Heil PR 40 Yeah, and you know let's just forget it. Just irritates me to no end that the guy is the first he's recording everywhere He's holding this mic in his hand and when he's talking he's talking over the top of it Which is not how this microphone actually will work actually now modern microphones that are right and they have the capsule to set up a

35:28 Down the tube. Yeah, none of them you talk over-the-top of it could since you're using the exact same microphone used on Alex Inc Could you give us a demo of how that would sound? Okay Well here I am in fact out Max out this thing because this thing does have his little proximity effect This mic I don't have the headphones on but I know how to do it for example if you are taking off that pop filter And if you got a little close like this it sounds like this right down that right down the tube That's something you'd never sounded better. You can't sound any better than this I do sound so hot So normally, you would do a one fist distance and you get back about this far and you're talking to this mic now If you talk over-the-top now you notice that even though I do have a cold I've got a lot of malefluous notes It's kind of its kind of bassy. It's got a nice sound

36:17 Now I'm gonna flip the mic so i'm talking over the top. Yes, by the way... Yeah yeah just talking over the top thing goes back to some broadcasting school and I don't even know what mics they're talking about where you do this but that's what they were doing uh I mean watch a singer on-I'm not doing it yet now watch a singer- Just get to it! Do the demo! I'm just trying things tight like But we still have the sexy JCD voice in our head now We want to hear the Alex Inc version Hi there, I'm talking over the top of the PR40. Oh and it's plopping like nuts! And it's popping for some unknown reason...I'll put the pop filter in front so I'm not talking- okay now I'm talking through the pop filter over the top of the mic You sound great! Am I just being boomy? How do I sound? You sound like shit

37:02 I should sound like shit because you're not supposed to talk like this in this mic. All right, do you want to say anything about the show? Because i've stopped watching it. Well anyway, I was going to just mention that if you watch those all those videos of singers with these high-end mics and they're talking into the side of it that's because there's capsules sitting there... They're talking right at the capsule! That's what you do. You talk out the capsule. Don't talk over the top. By the way, I liked you better without the plop filter. Okay. Take it off Take it off. You want me to talk about this? Oh yeah, all day long! The whole show is gonna be like this... All day long. Alright so here is the I have a clip which I think was

37:47 Kind of indicative of the show itself and by the way, the show reminds me except it's not really about podcasting is about this family Especially there's one little boy who dominates the show. Yeah It's a it's media They even have a Ron bloom and that guy's you The guy talking over at the top of the mic yeah Oh, yeah There you go that makes nothing but sense yes So they stole my life is what you're saying they did because his were the guys the actor that Italian actor That's Plays the other co-owner. He's like he looks like and talks like we're on bloom Yes, you're right What I don't see any clip for this what are you talking about here? Yeah, I'm looking for it now I just had it finding a good podcast yeah Now this is the kind of dialogue to kind of thing we expect its show sucks by the way yeah It does

38:40 And he just sent me a list of potential podcasts for our company to produce. There's over 200 submissions, everyone wants to be our next big thing! Anything good? Some are okay... some are horrible none are right for us the problem is that everyone and their mother thinks they have a good idea for a podcast You know I actually have a great idea for a podcast Right?! That's exactly what they all sound like No I'm serious do you remember The Flannery Murder Oh God, this is happening? I was fresh out of law school clerking for that judge. The defendant got off but the real killer was never found and it's been haunting me ever since! Babe, I know you're trying to help but its not that simple It takes more than a kernel of an idea to make a great podcast There's a certain... alchemy dare I say magic to it

39:22 Did that sound pretentious? Dare I say, yeah it totally did. Was it the hand gesture? No it was the whole thing The music is killing me. As the podcast search continued, our options were looking bleak They ranged from just okay to well this it is a show about interspecies friendship So if this actually shows me one thing I'm wrong by have been and this by the way It's not my life or MeVeeObe This is the giblet media and the guy who started you know what serial was their first show That's that's what this story is about surely you knew that when you watched it

39:59 No. I'm taking MeVio. No, it's not. What was i going to say? You said you were wrong about something. Yes what I was wrong about is... ...what this show proves although won't last Is that you can monetize the network as long as you make a show about it The actual network can be monetized but if you make a show yeah Yeah It can be Now couple of things I found funny Yeah, it's like they show this guy. It's like they have a little meeting and then some people come in with with Cards and they pitch shows yeah what is why what does this ever happen? So they come at this bullcrap There the whole thing is nuts. It's not the way he works no we know exactly how it works yeah, and that ain't it I'm talking over the mic thing is pretty funny well. This is uh

40:55 This is how it really works, hold on. Alright! Yeah she wasn't very hot so we don't want her show do we? Nah Actually I wanted to be in executive mode for a moment Okay go And this is something that went on the Twitter You commented on it and I think even said we should go enter executive mode. And it was something you tweeted, and you said why do the Lib Joe's need to do video? Why don't they just stick to good reporting? Oh yes because this Washington Post has a little video show every Thursday

41:39 And it is the worst. Well, I got the opening segment of the show and this is Molly Roberts one of their star reporters now since we're an executive she's a Trump hitman yes since were in executive mode she really has no business being on video No, I mean She's got the perfect face for print and I'm saying this as an executive not at not being mean or misogynistic No, but he's actually slightly The problem with video, and just to be honest about it when people kind of know this but they don't want to talk about it is that you have to be pleasant looking because you're going to be watching somebody talking if they got idiosyncrasies and they scrunch up their face wear no makeup and they spit I mean you can't put up with. You won't watch the show so you have to avoid people like that and you have to put pleasant-looking people who know how to read

42:31 and they can read it from a prompter so it sounds natural. That's what you want because you're looking at them now we're going to listen and this will help us evaluate the technical quality, and I understand by a publication such as The Washington Post lowers their standards to such a degree or maybe they just don't see it or maybe they don't care. It's a throwaway... I have thoughts on this if you want to hear them later Yeah, I do here's the opening and let's just listen to the handoffs to Per-Reid to the other people it's a complete shitshow President Trump threatens to bomb Syria This is how it opens by the way there's no opening title No bombastic music Just start President Trump threatens to bomb Syria

43:14 downgrades relations with Russia, and lashes out after an FBI raid on his personal lawyer's office. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg tap dances through congressional hearings House Speaker Paul Ryan calls it quits And it's only Thursday Uh, so this is the tease and I'm not teased at all. And then she says it's only Thursday What does that even mean if she said it's only Monday maybe Tuesday? No That's the name of the show you're kidding me now Oh jeez It's called its only Thursday Yes This whole concept is wrong

43:53 I'm Molly Roberts with Fred Hyatt, editor of the Washington Post editorial page and opinion columnist Christine Emba and Dana Milbank. Folks watching on Facebook and YouTube... Folks! If your comments and questions make us think we'll try to get them on the show. Dana you were on Capitol Hill for the Facebook hearings and you tweeted out this photo of Zuckerberg sitting on what appears to be a booster seat? Booster seat?! Well, it shows that we're in the internet era because when I was his age... Nice mic sound. Perfect. ...we used to sell phone books so this was a wee bit different. I want more details on that and everything else later but first let's focus on what distracted President Trump this week. Why later? Because it's another tease! It's a tease after the tease

44:42 It's the whole thing is just horrible. Nothing galls me more than that, we'll talk about that later because they never get around to it. Rarely In the midst of major national security issues The FBI raid of the office of Trump so-called fix it man Michael Cohen He's the lawyer who paid hush money to Stormy Daniels Is that okay editorialize like that and say its hush money? Well, he said she said hush my shelter said so-called fix it man. You can say so which by the way would be the right term would Be fixer yes Yeah, there's a fix it man. What you gonna come and do the plumbing? Yeah toilet handle yeah That's the idea that is definitely the idea And on Monday the FBI made the unusual move of seizing documents from his New York City office Trump says as he said before that It's all a witch hunt anyway so this just it's horrible I just don't understand why they do it. I really dark. I mean I have my thoughts on this okay I'd love to hear

45:39 Well, for one thing the New York Times has done this and so other newspapers feel that they need to do it. Everybody feels because somebody else has done it they feel that they need to do it yeah and so it becomes like oh we have to have...we have to do this because everyone else is doing it all. And its incredible waste of money It's a big waste of money and time. And it's an embarrassment, even the ones who started it. I mean New York Times has that little podcast which at least is audio so that... But it's not very good and then they all do it because they feel obliged to do it because the other guys are doing it. That's the only real reason! So then they ask for volunteers. Who wants to do? Who wants to do a podcast?! No one's getting paid extra and this is where it will eventually break down

46:28 Nobody's getting paid extra. This is true and everybody wants to do I'll do it. I want to do it Oh, I can do it all I've done. I used to do College radio college race no they didn't even do that. I used to do in high school I used to be in the drama club you know so I think I can do it It's pathetic but okay if they want to do it let them do it. I mean this I would be happier If they had information that we could use on the show But now yeah Let me just exit this for a second. Okay, get out of executive mode here I did have a fun little m5m It's total bullcrap clip tell me if you can catch it Juarez allegedly whipped out a handgun shooting two police officers and an employee before taking off in that truck This incident almost two years to the day for the July 7th ambush which killed five Dallas police officers

47:29 Mind you this, this was April 25th. Okay? Was it not two years to the day? Juarez allegedly whipped out a handgun shooting police officers and an employee before taking off in that truck This incident almost two years to the day for the July 7 ambush which killed five Dallas police officers April to July almost two years to the day What is that?! Wow, who wrote that? Talking about shoehorning your story. Yeah Oh I did since you did a TV review. I'll give you one. I'm surprised I'm saying this because I am NOT a Star Wars Star Trek sci-fi kind of guy at all But I you aren't I binged watched the reboot of lost in space and I loved it God it was fantastic. I grew up with Lost In Space so that helps

48:27 But, you know the robot how that came to be and what the robot is. Dr Smith is a woman Posey Parker Posey Parker plays the evil doctor? Yes! And Molly... Yeah she plays a good evil character Very good and Molly Parker is the mom of the family She's was the chief of staff on West Wing great actress and it's not too hokey They put a lot of money into this Now I saw the trailer and said wow, there's a lot of effort. A lot of money in this CGI is just really out of control. It was well done. Very well done. Yeah, I'm surprised. Another thing that I don't want to watch. Alright let me see... Maybe we should... Well first of all lets do couple things

49:16 since you're talking about bogus stories. Let's play the bogus chocolate study, which is all over the news every mainstream media outlet had this chocolate story. Thank you Michael. Sure. Two new studies are touting the benefits of dark chocolate as if we needed more evidence. The findings show that eating dark chocolate with a high concentration of cacao has positive effects on stress mood memory and warding off diseases Research funded by Loma Linda University in San Bernardino County found that five people who ate 48 grams of 70% cacao all had increases in brainwave activity. Dark chocolate is also rich in antioxidants, it has anti-inflammatory benefits a reminder though it is high in sugar and calories Wow! Is the Chocolate Association of America out with the new native ad campaign?

50:07 I don't know, but everyone's carrying this thing. But the thing about it makes us so stupid was that the study is on five people. It says it right in there they slipped it in somehow and I didn't notice it right away. Wait they say this in a piece? Yeah! Wow, good catch.

50:50 It's crazy how I didn't even hear it. That is something that I should have said, hold on a second n equals 5? That is not great. I didn't hear the...I didn't hear until I taped and then listened to just audio and heard the five. What?! This isn't even...this is ridiculous! And you say that this same story is everywhere about the same five people? That was a local story I think most local news outlets had it and then they had on ABC. I know for a fact ABC National News, and I'm just guessing it was everywhere hmm well then it must be a native ad Well either that or... It must be They dropped off of a case of chocolate Yeah, I don't know if that's enough

51:35 But these guys yeah, it could be it could be I'd do it now. I got a lot of stuff on Facebag Analytica, I think the Toronto thing is interesting but you know maybe just before we get to our first break We pick up on a story that we talked about on the No Agenda show, I'm going to say more than a year ago. By 2020 China plans to give all of its 1.4 billion citizens a personal score based on how they behave so some people with low scores are already being pushed if they want already being punished rather if they want to travel Nearly 11 million Chinese people can no longer fly and 4 million are barred from trains Next week the program will start expanding nationwide Ben Tracy is in China with what's behind the government scoring system, Ben this sounds like scary stuff. Good morning The government here says it is trying to purify society by those who are trustworthy and punishing those who are not so like the credit score that most Americans get for how they handle their finances

52:38 Chinese citizens are now getting social credit scores based on everything from whether they pay their taxes on time to how they cross the street. I love the purify society translation, that's great Purify society and we're not far from that same thing Well, we're just doing it for your financial... the financial part of your life now but you know. Yeah but that's falling over into all kinds of other things. They say well let's just check your FICA score if you're gonna try to be a student at some college. Yep, FICO not FIKA, FICO. I always say FICA. That's wrong. I don't know why? I'd like to know why I say FICA. Because FICA is that tax that you pay forever until you reach a certain level It's a part of your wage tax

53:26 Yeah, it's like federal insurance gonna rip you off thing. Oh So that's why that probably your address what it is right? Sorry no, it's okay so whatever the FICO thing which we bitched about this before she's ridiculous Right, but when you combine it with other things and I think i'll have some examples of that later on. It becomes... we've all seen the Black Mirror episode how come that hasn't just happened already? Why hasn't Facebag just said rate your friends

54:03 I mean, what would it take for them to do that? It wouldn't take much. But will it be them or will it be a separate network? Don't you think people want to do that? Totally think they want to do it and wait until you hear this VP of Global Policy Management at Facebag Monica Bickert You know, you get a whole idea of how they think over there And mainly of course is that we can't...you know We can't do without them Our life can't...here's an example This is CNBC not talking about Facebag but that other giant who IS next We know that Google's gonna be next for their practices. If not, then we have a different issue Listen to how this report starts off. There wasn't a lot of surprises Melissa This is about I guess it was earnings yesterday and and face bag gave their earnings which are spectacular or Google gave their earnings also spectacular

54:50 There wasn't a lot of surprises Melissa, but I just want to put something in perspective is the world cannot live without Google We can live without Facebook But Google is part of the fabric the oxygen on the internet and as evidence of that being top-line growth 23% The same time mean if that's really the thinking and I'm sure it is this is I'm sure this completely disturbing we can't believe we can't live without easily live without Google yeah Bing by the way does work You don't need Google necessarily. The one you can't live without, and I've written about this too is Amazon. Yeah they're problematic because of AWS yeah yeah that yeah it's not going to the fabric of society in a very very cool way that just makes them impossible to get rid off

55:42 Yeah, well they have their lobbying company which is the Washington Post but hold on a second John Let's be honest if Amazon disappeared tomorrow. What a joyous day that would be I mean think of all the bullcrap companies that were just all of a sudden and have no Website economy would collapse in a minute Again, think of how much fun we'd have. Oh what a joyous day that would be! It's about time! And with that I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C! The C stands for Chocolate of Bogativity Dvorak In the morning to you Mr Adam Curry in the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water all the Davids and Knights out there Yes, in the morning to the chatroom or troll room I should say You can find it

56:33 All the activity at noagendastream.com, trolls in there they're all having a good time I also want to say in the morning to Mark G he brought us the artwork for episode 1027 titled that was folding preschool which I have now been alerted we misheard the clip even though that was the fault of the presenter It is full-time preschool. No, that's bullcrap! I knew you'd say that... I have listened to it over and again and i know what it is Okay what is it? Holding. Holding? Yes holding Go back to the clip, do you still have it? Let me see Not a ffff... What was that one that somebody sent there There's no evidence, nothing, none of those sounds in there

57:28 Folding I can't find it for some reason was a titled folding my bed hmm Okay, well anyway beside that the artwork was very nice. It had a bunch of bombs dropping We weren't quite sure what it meant but one was glitch wouldn't Ted marijuana on the side one had snafu IRS yeah, which is kind of funny like okay? We'll take this as good And we know it's well done. Yeah, we thank you very much mark G Mark G good to have you back He did done a lot of artwork for us in the past no agenda art generator commas where he can upload your heart that is what Lots of artists do and we appreciate the work they do because yeah, it's tough when you don't get chosen I understand but We which we that's the one thing we debate about on a show Lee basis You don't debate about much else But that we'd debate about

58:22 Well, the title is also sometimes arguable. What we never argue about is our executive producers and our associate executive producers who we give a special thank you at the beginning of the show just like Hollywood and these are real credits Who do we have John? Starting off with Sir Woody And he's in Great Britain $333.33 to be executive producer It only seems like yesterday that you knighted me on show 772 but I'm ashamed to say i've hardly listened since. Man over boy! Yeah for real. Since given a pretty crazy few years, a producer I hit in the mouth a few years ago does the same to me every time I see him and on discovering my car now has

59:11 Now discovering my car has great podcast support. Ooh! Ah, that helps. This is the future for the show by the way It is and my commute perfectly fits to show schedule I'm now back. I'd like to know what that means tell me what you think it's great podcast support in your vehicle? I'd really like to know Yeah, it's got to be more than just a USB plug. No no I'm sure it's Bluetooth and if see for instance in my truck I can connect the Bluetooth But doesn't pass on the album art or the title just gives like the file name It's really some lame yeah some do mine doesn't what brand Ford Ford mm-hmm bastards I know that's an American Ford oh

59:56 And now back, the last three shows have been outstanding and it's clear you Muppets have got the hang of this while I've been away. Keep up the tireless and appreciated work no jingles no karma." Thank you very much sir Woody and welcome back MoFo! Following Woody is Kelly Sandlin $300 from the US somewhere and all he or she says So she, I'm sure with an eye. With an eye you think so? And no jingles, no karma! Okay well thank you very much. Yes It doesn't last long. Sir Kelly Spongberg in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta Canada $300 another $300 a happy birthday karma for Dame Andrea Sponberg I think she's on the list. She sure is Vacation Karma for Sir Dallas Sponberg and it mentions great newsletter was a great newsletter It was a great newsletter The newsletters are always great and subscribe to those go to NoahJennerShow.com The link is right there on the homepage

1:01:01 You've got karma. Thank you, Sir Kelly Sponberg We'll be congratulating Dame Andrea later on And then last but not least is Timothy Cato who's an associate executive producer at $200 And again, don't have the location but using cutesy animals to solicit donations is just low effective as evidenced by this donation. But low! Now this is interesting he says he's obviously fairly new to the show. Yeah I think so. Because you recall I was using... Six seven years ago Yeah, but I was using him shut you know newsletter after newsletter after newsletter. It was terrible yeah And so now I just drop one little kitten in and this guy gets bent out of shape Well, I think the problem is you brought the puppy back and the puppy is kind of irresistible You know when you see that dog as a symbol that we are not doing well Yes, and then yeah this true and the puppy was there for months and months and months

1:02:01 Yeah, well he's back. This is... I'm you know it's actually a John Han- I do the production John handles all the back office stuff and has his minions so i never really look at this stuff and then when when I see the dog I'm like oh things are not going too well That one particular dog? yeah yes sad puppy The sad puppy. Dvorak but in all seriousness keep up the good work can I have a raven report to the stage and some goat karma Straight from Rosita, here she is Raven. You've got karma. I will be done. Now Raven's from Rosita. That is it that's all we got for our social and executive producers for today's show at 1028 hopefully we'll pick it up a little bit the next show It was a little low, little light, well April has been a tough month. Still tax month.

1:03:04 But I don't see anyone who says, I got a return. Not yet Just looking at the spreadsheet Well, we of course want to thank our executive producers and associate executive... is it one producer? Yes. One but associate. Yes and our one associate executive producer real credits they can be used anywhere that credits are recognized lots people put on LinkedIn seems to get them jobs a lot's people looking at what's going on will be thanking more people in our second segment $50 and above and we have another show on Sunday please remember us at Dvorak.org Slash and a plenty of formula for you to go out there and propagate. You know the system Our formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth All right lots of show then today Yeah, I was gonna do some face bag stuff oh yeah let's do face back so there's uh i have two Two interviews

1:04:18 One is, maybe we'll start with this. Monica Bickert she is the VP of Global Policy Management at the Faceback what's interesting about her Is that for 10 years she worked in Malaysia at the State Department and I think she did things like You know looking at smuggling also human trafficking but ten years in Malaysia At the embassy Yeah, you may be a spook. Yeah, yeah, you maybe a spook and by the way Malaysia is a party town hey

1:04:58 So now she's the vice president of global policy management and she sat down for an interview. I think this was, it was a podcast actually but i thought it was just interesting to listen to a few of the things that she had on her mind because now yeah you probably noticed... It was interesting to me to see a lot of Noah Jendel producers who didn't understand Why yesterday and the day before yesterday all the? Wonderful services they use online such as face bag Twitter You name it Had a new disclaimer or there's something pop up about their terms and services. We've changed

1:05:38 Well, that's because the GDRP, the General Data Protection Regulations in the EUs came into effect yesterday. So that's why they were doing that and now Facebag apparently I haven't seen it yet if at least hasn't surfaced in my version yet has posted an explanation of their terms of services so not just saying You know, here's the parameters. No, here's exactly what we mean These are our community standards which basically tell people if you're coming to Facebook Here's what you can post and here's what you could not post. Here's what we will remove if we become aware of it I want to be clear that the policies themselves are not changing today. The way we enforce them is not changing today, what is changing is that we're finally making public all of the guidance that we give our content reviewers when they enforce these policies so just a sort of given example We have for many years had public facing policies

1:06:35 Don't harass somebody. Don't post threats of violence." Now, when you go to our standards online, you'll be able to see what do we mean when we say harassment or when we say threats of violence and how do our reviewers actually enforce these policies? So basically you're defining something that has been on the back end for how long? Years so I came...I was at the US Justice Department for about a decade before I came to Facebook Oh yeah she's from the Justice Department in the embassy Mm-hmm. Hi when I came to Facebook that was about six and a half years ago We were just starting to put in place more detailed guidance for our reviewers And they've used that guidance over the past five or six years, and we've continued to add to it One of the reasons is because we're always seeing new trends New types of abusive behavior, and we want to make sure that we're providing guidance on it so every two how many types of abusive behavior are there

1:07:31 If there's new trends, what's the new trend in abusive... John what's the latest in abusive behavior? You got me. I don't use Facebook. Every two weeks we have a conversation with people inside the company to talk about ways that we need to refine these standards. If you're bored, just say it! Don't be making noise. I'm not making any noise. No! Now I apologize, where did that come from? I have no idea. Well whoever's making that noise stop doing it! It's annoying... Alright so every two weeks they have to sit down and review the latest trends in abusive behavior it comes down to a term though part of this doesn't make sense what doesn't make sense

1:08:27 Every two weeks abusive behavior the style of it changes. Oh, I also don't think she's full of crap But that's why we're going through this yeah Is very difficult for you because of the degree to which so many of these things can be ascribed To something that is referred to in your in your own and what were really hearing here someone trying to describe abuse what speech is acceptable and what speech is not acceptable. That's the bottom line here, and what she does has no bearing on our First Amendment rights in the Gitmo Nation But it is interesting just to get into the mind of the globalist thinking documents as emotional injury. There you go Emotional injury that's what we're talking about here How do you define an emotional injury? What does that look like because there are lots of people who could raise their hand and basically say this argument that I disagree with constitutes an emotional injury

1:09:18 Absolutely. And we want to make sure that we are not taking down speech simply because some people find it upsetting In fact, we say in our standards you may find speech on Facebook that makes you feel uncomfortable or that makes you upset From our point of view, that is okay. So long as we give people the tools they need to not follow that person They can block that person or they could unfollow that page We want to create a space for speech even if it's controversial Where we draw the line... Where she talks so fast Well if you listen to her cadence she's talking like Zuckey Listen to it. She talks, she'll get into tools and stuff you'll hear it actual safety implications or where there are legal consequences to leaving the speech up on site that I'll tell you this is something I've wanted to do for years and the biggest reason I wanted to do it because I do so much external engagement like

1:10:06 the conversation that we're having right now. I know like the conversation we're having around this is actually she's talking like the Zuckey yeah, I think you might be right it was just like so sometimes it speeds up to such an extreme as like a little bit idea at the beginning yeah that is extremely weird she may be on Adderall or something that's possible but see if she's also no if she's a spook which is what you implied earlier then she can't know then she's not on Adderall and then she might be drunk Spooks drink, they don't do drugs. But yeah. And the biggest reason I've wanted to do it is because i do so much external engagement like the conversation that we're having right now... She's all jitty about it! Like external engagement you mean PR? Um and when I do that I hear from people

1:10:51 Why don't you make these standards public? People will ask me, you say you don't allow hate speech. What is that and I'll say well here's how we think about that and then they'll say well why don't you just say that so that that i think has been behind us doing this and we've been working on this now for the better part of a year as a better part of a year oh so gee wait a minute thought she'd been doing it for 10 years six years six years No, so that's bullcrap. But we also now know that it's 7500 people has nothing to do with algos It is just human beings who are doing this Is this something where you have an actual employee making a determination about a piece of content and whether it's okay or not? Or is this something that is You know essentially operating on an algorithm or something along those lines no This is people this is people so we have a team called our community operations team Community ops cops

1:11:41 Now hold on, first of all this is a complete opposite. Where'd you get this? From a podcast This is completely the opposite of what they had on the PBS News Hour where they did the same thing I don't know why but this is in all the news and podcasts it's on national news It's on PBS so they had visited the Facebook operation The big one in Menlo Park is like two miles long that's big building They said that they couldn't do what she's describing, so they had to move to Elgos. Ha! You don't have a clip by any chance? And it was a Facebook spokesperson Do you have a clip by any chance? No I... It was boring Right Hmm

1:10:51 Why don't you make these standards public? People will ask me, you say you don't allow hate speech. What is that and I'll say well here's how we think about that and then they'll say well why don't you just say that so that that i think has been behind us doing this and we've been working on this now for the better part of a year as a better part of a year oh so gee wait a minute thought she'd been doing it for 10 years six years six years No, so that's bullcrap. But we also now know that it's 7500 people has nothing to do with algos It is just human beings who are doing this Is this something where you have an actual employee making a determination about a piece of content and whether it's okay or not? Or is this something that is You know essentially operating on an algorithm or something along those lines no This is people this is people so we have a team called our community operations team Community ops cops

1:11:41 Now hold on, first of all this is a complete opposite. Where'd you get this? From a podcast This is completely the opposite of what they had on the PBS News Hour where they did the same thing I don't know why but this is in all the news and podcasts it's on national news It's on PBS so they had visited the Facebook operation The big one in Menlo Park is like two miles long that's big building They said that they couldn't do what she's describing, so they had to move to Elgos. Ha! You don't have a clip by any chance? And it was a Facebook spokesperson Do you have a clip by any chance? No I... It was boring Right Hmm

1:12:22 Well, she's telling you okay. I take your word for it well It's more than II do have a clip that follows it up because it turns out that PBS is gonna develop elgos to yeah We'll get to that we'll get to them one step at a time essentially operating on an algorithm or something along those lines No This is people this is people so we have a team Operations team they are at this point here that community operations Community Ops cops Get it I get it, it's cute. Business people so we have a team called our community operations team they are at this point more than 7500 people Community Operations Team Cots as in beds around the world and they are the people who were enforcing these standards um and content potential content violations come to them in one of two ways either somebody on Facebook has reported through the site and you can report any piece of content through the site if a photo or post a group page It'll come into our our content reviewers

1:13:16 Then we also use some technical tools to try to identify violations even before anybody in our community has told us about it. So for instance, terror propaganda, ISIS-behaving videos... You say told? She said what? She said told us about it Let me hear again. My violations even before anybody in our community has told us about it so for instance Yeah, yeah well he did so for instance but if you listen here's her for instance terror propaganda Isis beheading videos we now have some technical tools that are pretty good at finding that content and getting that to our content reviewers quickly That's all they have so far is they've able to find beheading videos which aren't even online anymore No, hey They can find a lot more let me interject just for a second

1:13:58 When I was at the meetup in Biloxi, one of our producers had reposted a picture that I put in the newsletter. Which I forgot to even put it in the newsletter two or three newsletters ago... Of Trump having sex with Stormy Daniels! Yeah. And of course it was photoshopped and you know it was a quickie job as if I have a limit on my Photoshop time Oh you actually did that? Yeah. Oh funny And most of the time I spent blending and making sure that the tones are the same. John, it was a horrible Photoshop job but it was fun! Yes, 15 minutes max is my limit because I don't want to make...and I couldn't get it look any better so yeah it wasn't horrible for me and it looked like Photoshop but it was funny and then I also blacked out, I didn't black out, I fuzzed out all the parts that would be obscene yes and so we were legit Photoshop junk Photoshop picture

1:14:54 And so he posted on his Facebook, and he got kicked off Facebook for 24 hours. Well that's very interesting because she is going to get into exactly who So, from what I understand in this next clip kind of, I think unpacks it is if you say well I don't like Republicans that's okay. If you say or if you say I hate Republicans all Republicans should be dead that's okay this what she's going to claim but if you say I want this Republican to be dead or if you take it to any personal

1:15:32 One individual then it's not okay, but there's always classes that are protected and unprotected in our world Wait until you hear we do treat public officials and public figures different differently than we treat private individuals so I of course this journey this journal didn't ask what constitutes a Public official or a celebrity. I mean how many views? Do you need to have before your a public person isn't everybody on face bag is by definition a public person? That's what I'd say. If, you know...I'm a public figure because I do so much engagement for Facebook and because... Engagement! No no... Never heard of ya. I'm sick and tired of this engage-public engagement

1:16:16 You're shilling, is what they call it. That's my role so if people want to say that these community standards are terrible and I'm to blame they can say that on Facebook and criticize me all they want versus if somebody was saying that about their high school classmates or insulting a personal friend then that's something that we might consider bullying and take down. And you can see how we define those things internally when it comes to violence. We remove threats against anybody, even if its public figures and in fact as were trying to assess the credibility of threats because people do sometimes use threats in a joking way You know if you come late to my party again I'm gonna kill you but we don't want to remove that if its just a joke. But we do wanna remove speech

1:16:59 might legitimately cause harm to somebody or... Now this is very interesting because how do you know it's a joke? I mean, how do you have the context to understand what a joke is which I'm sure an algo definitely can't figure out. So, you know, it's like was Kathy Griffin therefore a joke or was it not a joke she intended as a joke she said it was a joke Yet you said, well we treat her differently. It's impossible to do or... You could send like threatening notes and whatever you do just at the very end of everything put I kid, I kid JK, JK So for journalists and you'll see this in our standards We see so many safety threats to journalists that we actually assume credibility unless it's very clear that something is... So if you're a journalist

1:17:46 someone says like I'm gonna kill you and they say even JK, they're probably gonna block that comment. Unless they're somehow really sure it's a joke. That we actually assume credibility unless it's very clear that something is a joke and not serious we assume if any threatening language against the journalist is credible and we remove it. I will say that we audit those reviewers for quality every week every week each reviewer And each area of policy is subject to a quality audit where we re-review a subset of the content that they reviewed.

1:18:29 Okay, they have 75 which is a big number so they have 7500 that they review every week who reviews them it takes 7500 people to review the 7500 what she's saying Is that we review people in the subset of the subset under re-review? So I'm sure its bullshit those were quality every week every week each reviewer and and each area of policy is subject to a quality audit where we re-review a subset of the content that they reviewed, to make sure they're getting their decisions right. But we know that we're still gonna have mistakes and not every piece of content is going to be... Hold on a second! Right about now it would be ideal if there was kind of like a Woody Allen movie and two guys in white coats would come running in with a big butterfly net and start chasing her around

1:19:20 She sounds like she's nuts. Now she goes into full Zucky mode in this last 15 seconds the content that they reviewed to make sure they're there They're getting the decisions, right? But we know that we're still gonna have mistakes and not every piece of content is gonna be in that subset That we review and that's why today We're actually announcing That we will allow people to appeal decisions that we've made about individual pieces of content. So now, if you think we got it wrong, you can tell us and we'll have somebody else look at it." This will be the downfall of this whole idea lady! Google has that one right you're gone. You're gone no discussion they can allow people to appeal oh I Can you're inviting people to ban? You you're inviting it now Yes, you're inviting trouble the google your right googles got it right you don't have time for this crap No because it's not just one appeal It's gonna go back and forth people are gonna pissed off at your answer to the appeal everyone's going to pile jump well look He's perfectly good. That's gonna go on and on and it's not gonna be pretty

1:20:20 Amazing though, they had like a 45% increase in profit. These guys are fantastic! Just make the bank... I should mention this The news media They could do worse than going after these guys But they've got to They have to because their business is at stake Well we'll get to that in a moment with CBS 60 Minutes but One last important question that the journo was so The libjo was so embarrassed to ask even had to say well if I don't ask my friends will kill me. I have to ask you this just because it's something that my friends will get mad at me if I don't which is There was a whole episode of reply all the podcast a couple of months back

1:21:04 I'm trying desperately to convince people that Facebook does not listen to you through your microphone on your phone. Can you just answer the question? We're not we're not listening to you and your microphone. It's just that it's just that your algorithm is that good to know that you needed that Velveeta shells and cheese. It's not, it's not that we were listening to talk about it. There are ways anytime that you see an ad on Facebook, you can click on um, you can click on it and you'll see something that says why am I seeing this ad? Yes. And, and that will give you some more information but no, we're not listening to all of Ben's friends. Monica Vicker is the head of policy management

1:21:41 My next bit here if she's for what she said, I'm sure that's truthful But I've been looking into this for a while. I've been trying to figure out how this mysterical mystical connection keeps getting made between something people are saying And or what there's been discussed and then all of a sudden ads show up Yeah, I want to stop you for a second For listeners out there that didn't hear the last show and I'm cognizant of this and Adam is semi-cognizant of what he said But it's affecting him. What did I say? Which is that his experience with the little box where he says call Tina, then you may want to explain this again somehow Managed to call Tina even though there's no No real information for yes You're talking about the the talking tube the echo

1:22:31 and I saw this come in as a new feature, and I just asked her to call Tina. And immediately she said calling Tina and the phone was ringing...and so now the talking tube was functioning as it has a speakerphone and it knew which Tina to call. With that with no input? No, didn't ask me which Tina Of course, I've shipped to her doing you know to her at a different address in the past. It was presumptuous Remember what? I shipped you baby Yeah is very presumptuous but it worked yes and that that has that has a I don't know that your cognizant I am very no for a fact that this has affected your mentality

1:23:17 Yes, yes. Well no my look I mean listen hear me now believe me later. I'm OTG we're gonna talk about my latest experiences but first let's get back to this because there is something called Ultrasonic cross device tracking which is very interesting. It comes from a technology that I was actually looking into years ago when it first got into ham radio and if we talked about on the show, wouldn't be cool if you could take Morse code And you could make that ultrasonic like, you know 18-19 kilohertz range and kids could have little networks inside the classroom without actually being connected to a network because the microphone would just pick up this sonic sound. I experimented with it and some ham guy I knew put some stuff together but fast forward a few years the company is called LISNR of course you spell it l-i-s-n-r and here's their promo video

1:24:17 Listener is a communication protocol not unlike Bluetooth. It's essentially an entirely new way to connect devices by simply using sound, something we've been loosely referring to as a speaker net or the internet of sound. So our technology that we build is they're called smart tones, it's a sonic sound that is inaudible to the human ear and to dogs however it can be picked up by mobile phone. Tones can be embedded in any audio file, a song commercial played through a stadium uh...in your car When those tones are played, it can connect to a device send you a notification open a second screen experience or even deliver you proximity based marketing messages. One of the things about listener that makes us so special

1:25:03 I don't need a battery. I don't need a wireless connection, I don't need a cell signal." Sound can go around all of that so when people are spending millions and millions of dollars outfitting their stores with hardware that you have to replace batteries regularly we do all of that with no infrastructure, no wireless, no batteries, no cellular signal it's all through the sound and the good news about Listener is that were built into other peoples apps Our goal is to be here. We want a listener, but pretty soon we're going to be manufactured into devices as part of the hardware so one of the things that's been really interesting about listeners trajectory is that it's been fast and we just closed our series B That was actually led by Intel So Intel Capital largest most successful corporate VC in the world That's a huge stamp for us

1:25:59 People click on our stuff because it's delivering you an experience that is additive, not distractive or not annoying. And that is a really powerful thing for brands in an environment like trying to serve up ads on Google or Gmail or Facebook or LinkedIn there so much noise That frankly it's easy to stand out when we're doing something that's designed specifically to make that experience better Okay, so I'm gonna tell you about a couple applications of this technology the first one. I like a lot which is a lot of sports teams or their clients and The sports teams will let you download an app it also that's done at concerts, but I've seen it done in the sporting events

1:26:40 And they'll say, okay everybody open up the app and hold up your phone. Then they will broadcast through the PA system ultrasonic tones which I certainly can't hear but most people can hear and then the phones start flashing in unison or you know they start coordinated action because it's receiving these tones but on their, uh... a couple of websites have examples of these tones embedded in the Stephen Colbert show, in an NPR podcast and what happens is You have your and I think there were 250 or maybe a little 230 apps that had this technology in the Play Store. An unknown number of iOS apps had this technology baked in, and as we heard Intel just invested in them so maybe that's something that goes into some subsystem somewhere

1:27:33 And if you're playing a game like, oh I don't know Candy Crush would be a good one to take a look at. And your playing that on the couch or you have played it recently Or it's open or maybe can do in the background These tones come by It then hits your phone Your phone hears it It sends a message back to the database and it says Ah! This person just heard this commercial So next time you hit a facebag enabled page or some other page where the same advertising network is connected, you're going to get that ad. And I believe that what we're seeing a lot of now is ads are playing on the radio they're playing on television... These tones can be embedded in a web page with no video or audio it can be a hidden player You won't know it! It'll just go click-click autoplay and it's done and you can see it I got a spectrum analyzer and you could see the tone just pop up sometimes hear little clicking and this audible to the listener

1:28:28 No wonder we all have tinnitus. Oh, that's another point. It could definitely... who knows if it's harmful or not? I don't know but here's the real problem when you're doing so there was an example looked at a couple of white hat sites when you're let's say your on tour on your tour browser and You're gonna go to some site now we and you want to be completely anonymous But you have your phone nearby And you hit a page that may you know you may think you're anonymous but the page emits this tone The app or wherever this embedded technology is sitting will send a message back and say oh, I just received the tone It's this guy. It's his phone number here's I am II number Here's the IP address you all the stuff your phone loves to give Or whatever else that you know it the phone is laying down The phone is in his pocket all of this stuff and that's called ultrasonic cross-device tracking And I think that's what we're seeing or a version of it now Of course the nasty part of it

1:29:29 Just going back to the talking tube. There's an app that goes along with it It's the it's the Alexa app and that's where you can look at your shopping list, etc I don't know what this app is doing. I mean have no idea maybe it does turn on the microphone Maybe permissions were asked somewhere. I didn't care to look I just went yeah install it This thing can be listening to me But it could also just be listening to the TV And then saying oh he's watching this show beep beep beep beep beep my phone picks it up Amazon now knows what I'm watching This is completely technical possible, technically possible. And what also is technically possible especially with our group is mechanisms to defeat the whole thing!

1:30:22 There are many things that can be done and the number one thing, yes. I should mention that while we have coders out there that are telling it then it might be interesting to send messages of these little... With our own coded message our own tones Yeah with our own tone saying and indicating that everybody's listening to No Agenda all the time Exactly. There's a lot to be learned and who knows what the encoding of the blips is, but my solution... I'm just going to talk about the phone now. And by the way everything you said in that last segment before we go to your solution? I should say my solution is to keep the phone off and in the closet but yeah right which so I don't worry about any this time. But we've already established that we have different lifestyles

1:31:14 And I need to be in some kind of contact, but my determination now is yeah Facebag bad Google bad. But really bad on us we're carrying around $1,000 pieces of technology and i'll just use the word again We're the wetware that we basically do whatever Silicon Valley wants us to do with it and the problem Is the phone itself not that Apple is evil But they set out to do things like, oh we've got the accelerometer now we can do great games and cool stuff. But of course that can also be used to find out where you are what you're doing riding the bus writing driving the car walking running sleeping reading in bed all this can be determined by this data which you know have to be asked for it and probably just said yes so giving it away

1:31:58 Browsers are a whole other issue. So I, as we discussed in the previous show, have ordered five different OTG devices these would be phones that i'm using and going to test every single one of them to replace my smartphone and I have the first one in and I've been using it for couple days and I've learned some interesting things if you're interested well I think everyone's interested not just about me You should be riveted! I am only talking to you Right the first one that came in. Oh hold on before you continue what happened to the pager? Oh, no that well the pager Is still activated but as we discussed the pager it just doesn't work because you can't have an actual Convo's a piece of shit It's not a piece of shit That was the first realization for me of the changes in technology That brought us to where we are today The first one is the speed of messaging it

1:32:54 It's no longer really appropriate to have to wait three-five minutes in between a message going back and forth if it was just, I love you. I love you too. That is just not good or any other conversation where you might want like a real chat experience so that is just not working So I decided I would get a feature phone which would mean No apps A browser is really the way to go SMS text messaging And of course calling But the idea is the phone has so low tech that it really has nothing to give this you know of course It's going to although The one I have doesn't show up as a known browser which is kind of fun So the first phone. I got owner has to have a QWERTY keyboard, a full keyboard because if your gonna use something for You know messaging back and forth he can't be hitting a key three times just to get to D Now that's a little too old-school. So the first one is the Nokia x2 dash 1

1:33:51 And the first thing I realized is we have come a long way with cell phone connectivity because this only uses 2G and really the old school GSM networks which are being phased out by everybody to make room for God knows whatever 5g, 6g all that crap. So they're being phased out so you don't have reliable signal you go into a building You lose your signal remember those days? Yeah, that was like most of the time. Yes so that problem comes back But otherwise The phone it does exactly what it says on On the packaging you can call and all the apps did they get like Ovi store none of that works? yeah there's no mail client but the browser works perfectly well with webmail and I have a mobile template for squirrel mail

1:34:47 Yeah, so that way but you know if you do gmail not that you'd want to but Most email systems work very well. You can even get to the tweeters they have a very old version which still pops up and Interestingly enough I logged into Google with it and Google could not because I look what I wanted to know what they had seen They could not identify the browser type which means they really don't know much about me other than my IP address So As an OTG device, which of course there's tracking going on but can they really do much with my behavior? Can they really tell what I'm doing? No. They can't But the connectivity issue is too big so I have a couple more of these 2g phones coming in and i don't think they're gonna be good enough It has to be a minimum of 3g because you gotta get onto different frequencies otherwise it's just not enough signals And we're gonna lose out

1:35:41 Again, there's no apps. It's all just if it's an app that something that might talk directly to an API But if you just use a browser the text messaging and the Nokia actually has nice it does kind of like a conversation threaded version of it And yet you can go to separate things called conversations, which is text messages put into a chat style interface. It's pretty enjoyable and I had a great time again yesterday doing some things around town and just watching the zombies the zombies on the street heads bent over shoulders hunched looking at their phones and did I miss them? Did I walk into holes? Well did I miss anything no I really didn't miss anything

1:36:24 Now a lot of people are sending me ideas like well you can do it, you can do a complete clean load of pure Linux GNU Linux approved on an Android phone. You rip it off to your own custom built... Of course! But the whole idea is digital detox. You're off the grid not just because the face bags and the Googles are building up a profile of you in all this listener stuff that can be hidden in apps It's not just because of that. Is you need your life back You really do, and you will enjoy it. And you know what? I come home again on my brave browser, I fire up the VPN... There's minimal tracking and I still go to the social nets and get my news and information. I have so much time now that that i don't have this app phone. I binge watch Lost in Space!

1:37:12 That's that's the proof right there something very ironic about what you just said, but it's true I have so much time now. I can wait But if you know because we're talking about the tube if you now know that The Amazon echo kids edition is coming out which has a special version of its voice assistant legal Which is also going to reward kids for being friendly towards the device and Yes, saying thank you and the device will say you're welcome. You know thank you for being so polite It will help train your slave I mean this has got to stop I know it's stopping anytime soon No, but we're not stopping it well as soon as we have a voice record We just determined were getting rid of the talking tube And I'm actually gonna throw it down the trash chute because that

1:38:13 Speaking of which, you know that big fire on the last show? Yeah. You know what it was? It was your old apartment. It was my old apartment but someone had thrown smoldering coal apparently from a barbecue they'd had on the Down the trash chute. This is where our population's gonna be like, idiocracy! Yes exactly right and so the problem was there was a that burns pretty well down there at the bottom but all the smoke went to the top floors So it just billowing black smoke apparently. It's fabulous yeah

1:38:52 Let me see, so if you want to learn more about this ultrasonic information a lot is in the show notes and just to add one final bit besides them having an investment from Intel they also have a investment and partnership with Visa. Yeah, and you know when you get this kind of stuff when you put it all together I mean we need to have smells trouble starts with tea. Yeah It's big trouble and one other thing on the horizon trouble trouble yeah well I'm It's very hard trying to go back in time using older tech. I mean it's The world is really right here. I challenge people to go use Windows 1 Yeah

1:39:35 Also the speed of these phones is pretty funny. I want to remind people that the movie Josie and the Pussycats Starring they already mentioned Parker Posey is about this Is exactly about what Adam was talking about with this? The Internet of sound as the guy put it internet of sound iOS It's that's what the movies about very funny very funny kind of insightful futuristic film done years ago But it's about this exact same topic, embedding these little tones and sounds inside of things. Only this was done to brainwash the public." And I remember you talking about that movie and I have not seen it and you said it was a good movie just hit me that you reviewed on the show. Yes I did! It is very good movie. Very hard-to-come by. Well produced very funny movies so its kind of satire. So now what I do when we're watching TV I have the spectrum analyzer on

1:40:32 Oh God. Yeah, to see who's embedding ads yeah what I really want...I couldn't find those. I'm good at this. Yeah okay hey i do this as a public service man no i think you're doing yeah well i think it's a fantastic public service but it's a little nerdy yeah but the shit that's going on is not okay and we and people just don't realize it so you know i may not be able to solve your dementia or dementia b problems but this is a problem for everybody And it's not healthy. We've determined this many times and these phones, it just... I like the way that guy was so proud of this thing he's talking about discussing with your CEO guy Yeah, the Air Network Yes, oh yes, air-gapped He said Internet of Sound Internet of sound That's right

1:41:24 And of course Google is trying to hijack SMS now. They've never had a good chat client, so now they're come out with that new additional protocol called... what was it? They just calling it chat. It's supposed to integrate with SMS but it'll still maybe go through XSNP or oh by the way for those of you who are migrating going OTG from the iPhone Here's the here's the bad news if you have lots of contacts on whatsapp. Just tell everybody screw it You can't get me that they have your number anyway because that's how you connect on whatsapp They're gonna have to use text messaging because whatsapp? Yeah, and you're not going to get it I think it'll run on some nokia phones series telegraph man no none of that stuff this name No there's none of that is there go home and go home and do that oh

1:42:13 But if you have, this is kind of nice about when Apple introduced iMessage. Once you have established connection then you're not going through SMS messaging systems You're going through their own proprietary IP I think it's probably peer-to-peer after they connect to you but here's the cool thing If your phone is not connected, so I turn my phone off. Like completely off and leave the house... I want to mention that you said here's the cool thing about this one. It is cool! Go on. When you leave the house if someone tries to send you a message through iMessage on the IP and it sees your offline, It'll automatically send that as a text message and then when you reply... ...it'll show up in the same thread so it's- Oh! So the migration off is a lot easier than I thought it would be because I'm like oh my god everyone who's got me on The IP version of iMessage they can't text me anymore but they can As long as you turn your phone off so that's good

1:43:12 Enough phone news. Yes, and today I received the Z431 and I believe that has 3G radios. So I have a short news story that came out. It was about a murder, well not a murder but a shooting of some poor sound guy that was on the cop show mentioning cops earlier and i think if you can kind of catch the

1:43:50 Try to imagine the overall situation as this report is given. They don't really get into, they don't just editorialize on it or anything but this guy was sued- This guy's family sued the police department that they were following around. This is cop sound man killed. Hey where are they running? It's the show that takes viewers to the front lines as cops hunt for criminals I got him! I got it. Hold on! But on this night, it's the cop camera crew caught in the crossfire and armed robbery suspect inside an Omaha Wendy's. It erupts into a brutal firefight. The shooting stops but 38 year old sound man Bryce Dion his microphone on the ground is hit.

1:44:37 The bullet that killed Dion just missing his Bulletproof vest. The fatal shot was fired by an Omaha police officer, Dion's family now suing the city of Omaha for negligence and I think it sheds light on exactly what happened and the fact that Mr. Dion was caught in crossfire through no fault of his own. The suspect armed with a pellet gun was also killed Through no fault- wait a minute. Two things, couple of things... That took a couple beats! Okay, first of all through no fault of his own uh sorry

1:45:15 The guy was there. Anything can happen when you're doing that kind of work, so through no fault of the- Yeah especially when apparently from the sounds of it the cops are just shooting randomly all over the place with their eyes closed And I think they might have been shot in the back if he missed his bulletproof vest and then still killed him Who knows? But the suspect had a pellet gun. Nice! Yeah, yeah that's the kicker So these cops they got some guy with a pellet gun who ping-ping-ping he's got a pellet guns are dangerous You can't hold that up if you hold up anything... If you hold up a cell phone it looks like your dead too. No but beside the point there is this guy with a pellet gun these guys are going nuts shooting all over the place I believe they do shoot with their eyes closed squinting and then shooting like crazy shaking their hands

1:46:01 and they shot the sound guy somehow. There's a guy with a pellet gun, he's right there! You shoot at him!" Do you remember the old FBI show? Where it would always be like... Stop! FBI! And then the guy would go pooh-pooh-pooh-pooh-pooh-pooh-pooh! Then the FBI would go... And then the guy would be down Those days. Those days. Those days are over. Oh those were the days I just found that to be the guy had a pellet gun and they... I don't know It was just beyond me Got another Oh John Gray the author of a men are from Venus and women from Mars or other from larger book Yeah, classic. I don't know where everybody's from but they're from some planet Danger Will Robinson he did that Book about 25 years. He's in town He's gonna be speaking to some you know the thing in San Mateo so they interviewed him. I thought these were pretty

1:46:59 It's a little old-fashioned thing and I'm surprised these is not being picketed by the locals and you know, the Lib Joes that run this area. But I felt there are two clips worth listening to in this here is the first one. What has changed most in 25 years since the Obama ad? More traditional relationships are doing better but what happens as women become providers a new dynamic sets up and we need to know new communication skills for that equality of relationship it was much simpler In the old days, when men made the money and women took care of the home they do their roles. Today women are making the money along with men so what are mens roles at home? And so often women want to feminize men and make men into women as opposed to understanding how a man can actually support

1:47:43 a woman in coming back to a place of happiness because when women are spending all day in the workplace they're stimulating testosterone which is the male hormone that we as men need 30 times more than women but for women they're not stimulating estrogen and progesterone which women need 10 times more than men so there's relationship skills at home that can help women open their hearts more and be happier and not be so overwhelmed, which is very common today. Oh, yeah. This is gonna be a shit show I just fold this folds perfectly into my next clips What's what's the second one? The second one folds perfectly into what you was just going on and on about how important all this stuff was to you

1:48:28 and play it. than actually looking in somebody's eyes and talking to them. So just like if you were to take cocaine, which stimulates high levels of dopamine in one use your brain rewires itself to prioritize cocaine over spending time in a relationship or... No well here is the deal If you go OTG every day as reward you get to do a line

1:49:10 It's healthier, believe it or not. This is all due to overstimulation from electronics. So that's high stimulation, the brain rewires itself... it can correct with new insights of learning to balance high stimulation with low stimulation which means taking time to turn it all off and have a conversation." Oh man let's remember this clip! We will revisit this

1:49:52 That was one minute very well explained. It's totally true and that's why... Nailed it! Yeah, totally nailed it Well let's just go back to what he we should have played these two in the opposite order But let's go back to the male-female the testosterone etc We had this event in Toronto And the guy who did it is being called an incel. Now we learned about incels on this show half a year ago... You had to back up and explain the event in Toronto? Well, I- the clips kind of explained it so okay I'll use that but we'd but the incel is the involuntary celibate and we talked about this group I think what there was in relation to The Red Pill documentary that girl had made maybe

1:50:39 That's how long ago. Maybe, maybe that was just a... Which everyone should see by the way Yeah it's a while ago so you know there's this group of self-identifying as far as I understand mainly men boys guys who say yeah who can't get laid right and so then for this reason they aren't and this in the past week this really started to shift where this term red pill which i always understood well I have a clip that explains that the current version of it because Kanye was red pilling You know, who the hell knows what they mean. I think what it basically means is these guys hate women and want to kill them That is now the brand yes that that is how they're branded here we go We're going to start with a disturbing conversation This is NPR by the way as you can tell it's an NPR sound. We are gonna start with a disturbing conversation Maybe not for young ears about the Canadian van attacker who killed ten mostly women he's being praised notice

1:51:35 What's her name this fresh air gal? Yeah, but notice ten mostly women if she's now saying Without any evidence. She's already setting it up by saying he targeted women or implying that let's put it that way ah Yeah catch because he killed a weed I don't mean I've only heard how many people How many did he wound was it more than all women as well and I think that would matter in your reporting, Terry. One wrote on a message board after 25-year old Alec Manassian drove his van into pedestrians. Hopefully now someone uses a truck to just ram women down! Sam Louis is a psychotherapist from Seattle who treats sex addictions and many incels. Sam, tell us more about this community? Well they gather online and... I'm mystified second time use the word by this why community

1:52:45 Why is she calling it a community? If these are people... I find this, you're getting clip of the day for this already. I'll wait until it's over. Remember that when you finish it however long it goes. You find this what? Fascinating! Tell us more about this community Well, they gather online and it's growing. And part of the reason is because of the way that culture has shifted where folks are teased mercilessly in this culture for I'll just say it bluntly being virgins some of them may be socially awkward all the way through the autistic spectrum and then

1:53:23 They also don't fit the hyper-masculine description of what they think would be attractive. All these different facets that just fuel their sense of shame. I just want to make sure... I took that. I should have pulled the clip of the death, I was gonna have a better punchline. Well but you keep it you can keep it! I'm just-I've just broke it up for reasons of us talking about it we jumped in a little early but let's continue why has it propelled this kind of rage that we are seeing on these forums? well the reason is I think very multi layered if we start with the beginning Multi layered what does that shit

1:54:11 multi-layered. You said multi-ed? I think so very multi-layered. He said multi-ed! Multi-ed layer If we start with the beginning this community started in 1993 by coincidentally a woman who was from Toronto she wanted to make this very inclusive all men and women were welcome it wasn't about violence but it was more or less helping people to connect with other men and women who struggled with her. And she said she bantied around in an interview with other names like Late Bloomer, Non-Blooming... Forever Alone? Yeah, forever F A is Forever Alone, Perpetually Single

1:54:57 And what happened was a lot of men, young men their angst they had nowhere to feel their sexual emotional social frustration. How is this any different than from the 1920s or 1860's whenever? The old maid used to be called an old maid From the women's side. Yeah, the men were just called doofuses but they all made Preachers No This is something something has changed in society where sure I mean there's plenty of People I'm sure there's been communities all the time people who don't get laid But to say that there's no way to vent their sexual frustration

1:55:46 I don't know, ever hear of porn? There's all kinds of things. How about hookers? Hookers? Well maybe that's... well, I dunno. Access to hookers is being cut back Can't get on the back page anymore. And their angst, they had nowhere to feel their sexual emotional social frustration so they found these online communities and forums... And this is where we start to understand that we've moved from a red pill To a black pill. I think there's some guy who also has the handle Black Pill, because then we move from just being anti-women to... That was Red Pill Blue Pill had to do with The Matrix movie Yeah so now red pilling this is how disturbing it is in the movie The Matrix

1:56:36 You, uh... Neo gets a choice blue pill or red pill. Blue pill everything's the same you wake up and your world is the same you're living in the matrix. And you're still a democrat The red pill! You take the red pill you go down the ugly tubing you know it gets all slimed and then you figure out that it's all a scam so now the interpretation on the Sochnitz is when you're red-pilling someone, you're telling them the lie. Oh this world that you are living in is not real it's completely different but what your communicating is a lie because the world IS the way... It's turning the whole meme around. This is insanity! Look some of the things, the misogynist things we are hearing about on these forums are disgusting You know they want women murdered and killed

1:57:20 But for those who are just this loneliness that you're talking about, it sounds profound. It is, and I think what you mentioned earlier just to help listeners understand this whole black pill. The black pill is probably a very small percentage that's the pill that they metaphorically take which means I will now espouse violence hatred and misogyny whereas others might go the red pills so the red pill does I'm learning a lot from some of my clients The red pill it's similar to the whole matrix analogy where if I take the red pill This is the reality and the reality is I need to learn other skills to quote-unquote pick up women So they might use manipulation tactics that not necessarily violence, but they need to come up with other strategies. That's

1:58:12 Now here's an idea. Why don't we stop hating men and masculinity en masse? That might be an interesting start, you're confusing people to no end! You're toxic especially if your white, your toxic and racist, shut up, you're too busy acting like a moron, take this pill, you're privileged You know, there's been a war on men and then you find it strange that kids... And by the way not a single question anywhere about this Toronto van driver if he was on any kind of psychotropic drugs. He seemed pretty wacky. It is rather a wacky thing to do? No nothing! Go ahead look you can't find any of that

1:58:54 Put these kids on that, tell them they're horrible. Women speak incredibly disparaging about men, about masculinity, about male behavior... What do you expect? They're getting what they expect or they should have expected! Everyone's tone-deaf and colorblind to this stuff. They don't see it John. They don't see it at all. And by the way women hate Trump They do. Yeah, here's Maxine Waters with proof Are you are you the belief that Democrats should make impeachment a centerpiece of the midterm elections? Well well they have indicated they do not want to do that They think that the Republicans will use it You know whether we're talking about the DNC or the DCCC They all believe that the Republicans will just use that and say they're mad because they lost the election And they don't particularly think but that's a good way to go with this I

1:59:51 I agree with him. You don't agree both tactically and also substantively? My point is, you know he has committed impeachable offenses. Are you not persuaded by the idea that it would be a tactical mistake politically? No, I'm not persuaded about that idea. Because everywhere I go People are talking about, why can't you all get rid of him? Why don't they impeach him. What's wrong with the other members of Congress? Why don't they stand up with you? This man is dishonorable he lies all the time He's a conman They say all these things and I'm not just talking about my district whether i am on an airplane or walking down the street in New York wherever I am I'm hearing it And I'm told that 70% of women who have been polled say that they want him impeached

2:00:39 That's one of Maxine Waters. And so I was at... She just lies! Oh, well, I was at Johanna's yesterday she cuts my hair and i'm one of four male clients and I said what what's everyone talking about? She says every single one of my clients who sits in the chair says they don't understand why Trump hasn't been impeached and thrown in jail yet I said wait a minute. Wait, they connecting those two she's oh yeah They think impeachment means he gets thrown in jail Wow Yeah to every single one except for me and then the former New York banker of course Yeah People that seem to have it grasp on reality But but that is their reality just turn on the telescreen That is the reality of what people are seeing Maxine by the way is also one of the time 100

2:01:36 I'm not quite sure what the qualifications are. Maybe it's if you're nearing the age 100, but... If you had to give some advice to President Trump what advice would you give him? Please resign so that i won't have to keep up this fight of your having to be impeached because I don't think you deserve to be there just get out She is getting weary I think So they're going after this guy Jackson the Trump's doctor, that White House doctor. Yeah it was actually Obama's doctor. What is the dealio with this guy? Is he to be the veteran administration guy is that what the problem is? He has an admiral and being an admiral means you do have some management skills so its possible they could do that job but for some reason Democrats decided they can screw with him Does he need to be confirmed?

2:02:33 Is that a confirmation spot? I believe so. Okay, okay. So whatever the case is they're making a big fuss about it and i'm gonna...I got a bunch of clips they're all short but let's start with the um let's see I've got I've got a piece on Jackson bad White House bad ABC this is the way ABC approaches it and then I'm going to take it to PBS again and walk it down the road with you We are also following breaking developments at this hour involving President Trump's personal physician president's pick to lead the VA and there are new allegations uncovered tonight. Admiral Ronnie Jackson is now accused of crashing a government vehicle while drunk and recklessly prescribing an opioid, Percocet. Just a short time ago Admiral Jackson was fighting back what he's now saying in ABC's Mary Bruce is

2:03:18 on the hill again tonight for us. Toxic, abusive and volatile. Tonight that's how some former and current colleagues are describing the president's pick to lead the VA accounts from more than 20 people provided ABC News by the top Democrat on the Veterans Affairs Committee paint an explosive picture of Dr. Ronny Jackson one describing him as quote the most unethical person I have ever worked with. Have you seen any concrete evidence? We've talked to a number of folks that have made these claims and we need to find out if it's true or not. Jackson is accused of drinking on duty, on one occasion when traveling with the president he allegedly could not be reached when needed because he was passed out drunk in his hotel room

2:04:01 And at a party, he allegedly got drunk and wrecked a government vehicle. There are also accusations about Jackson's prescribing practices He once allegedly gave a large supply of Percocet, a prescription opioid to another staffer without documenting it throwing his staff into a panic When traveling on Air Force One physicians and nurses describe him handing out Ambient to help people sleep and ProVigil to help them wake up earning him this nickname Because he doled out prescription drugs like candy on these trips where they flew through multiple time zones. We've talked to some who say that's standard operating procedure to make sleeping aids, for instance available on long trips Well I gotta say if that's standard and operating procedure I have not witnessed it nor have I participated in it Late today as these new details emerged Jackson was spotted at the White House asked about prescribing that Percocet He denied it

2:04:55 and wrecking a government car? He denies that too. Before these new bombshell allegations came out, the White House spent the day defending Jackson. Wow! This is... I had... Tina was talking about this this morning and i had no idea that these were the allegations The Candyman he's got a nickname?! This rings of bullcrap. Well, it's a lot The car out, well first of all he's a doctor. Yeah I've never known a doctor yet that doesn't hand out stuff like Percocet just you know casually

2:05:31 Everybody's got a doctor friend. And he's got Percocet and Ambien on the Air Force One, he gives it to you, I can't sleep doggy, okay here take this, pulls out of his pocket who knows? He also probably has, yeah, he is a military guy so he knows about what was the other stuff, ProVigil Which is a military drug that everybody in the Air Force uses, Navy. Everyone you know it's better than anything. We're all drugged up what's the problem? And everyone's drugged up! I'm drugged right now! Oh oh the percocet it's not like he's giving fentanyl

2:06:08 But okay, they're making a big fuss none of the reporters do any background on that. They don't do any work Where did it come from where this was 23 pit all came from Sherrod Brown and 23 people? Well what was this in Senate testimony the house or worded It was as a senator and the armed forces one of their voices Is there something on C-SPAN with these people are saying this can I watch this no these are secret We don't even know who these toys with secret okay It's always 23 in ABC is over 20 but they didn't want to use the word 23 because 23 is code. Yeah, it's Sherrod Brown comes on PBS and I'm going to start playing those clips and he's talking about a lot of stuff and he's contradicting himself

2:06:48 Who is this Sheriff Brown? Sherrod. Oh, Sherrod who was who was Sherrod he's a piece of one of the you've never heard of him senators from Ohio who is all in he's a hillbot and he hates this guy for some reason that none these reports mentioned that he actually brought into the White House by Obama just don't mention Obama And it's just the report is so slanted and no one has done any research to find this wrecked car. Yeah, that seems like something we should be able to find So let's start with the first 23 people in the doctor

2:07:23 of the VA coming out of the White House. I think probably the most troubling single thing about Dr Jackson, and this is corroborated by enough people 23 people have come forward military or former military talking to us that he was so inebriated one night we went out in there one day and wrecked a government car things like that. The president clearly didn't ask questions about his staff, before he was nominated and this just creates chaos at the most important job here is how do you take care of 9 million veterans? And they have injected this chaos into the whole upper management of the VA and there is a leaderless institution now, a leaderless agency that takes care of 9 million veterans. I should point out that Dr Jackson told reporters at the White House this afternoon he denies wrecking a car and also said it's easy to check and moving forward with his nomination

2:08:20 There was also allegations in the summary that he was prescribing Percocet, an opioid to people on the White House staff and they were having trouble tracking it in the White House Medical Office. Yeah I mean we hear all these things We see this corroborated by a number of people again 23 people Wow what's with the 23 bro? What's the big deal? I think this goes back to the talking points theories where you list a specific number that makes it sound authoritative. 97%. Exactly!

2:08:56 23 people, 23 people and then he goes on again about these 23 people. 17 agencies, 17 intelligence agencies 97% of scientists, 23 people. Okay good point so it's a professional job. He mentions chaos over and over again this is part of the anti-Trump Trump rotation. Trump rotation chaos chaos chaos chaos mm-hmm I don't know why they're going after this guy. He probably pissed somebody off somewhere along the lines that one person is in that group of 23, if there even are 23. They never name them so let's go back to part two. We see this corroborated by a number of people again, 23 people military activists

2:09:39 of politically, they wanted to politicize the VA and privatized it. And the president seems to go along with the Koch brothers and others against what every veterans group that's spoken out about it says in the- I had to stop there because he's got a host of issues that doesn't say what they are except wrecking the car and being drunk all the time right then he gratuitously throws in an old bromide

2:10:25 The Koch brothers. Yeah, it's interesting It's interesting because the Koch brothers hate Trump They fought against Trump they didn't want Trump to get in I think they were supporting Jeb Bush Never gave him any money along with those Citizens United which we have surprised us drop that in there These are all Democrat bromides the Koch brothers and he throws that into coke Trump and the Koch brothers are about polar opposites on almost everything. So this is bullcrap, when he said the Koch brothers I got very concerned. Let me ask you... Okay yes, I understand your concern but regardless of what is happening or what this guy did or didn't do, why? Is this just a really pathetic ploy just to make Trump look like he's an idiot. Is that the idea? Exactly! They're gonna ruin this... by the way Michael Flynn got exonerated from any collusion Of course His life ruined Yeah So now they're going to ruin this guy He's a black guy too No he's not The Admiral?!

2:11:29 No. Yeah, he is! No, he's not! I thought his doctor was a black guy? No it was that smooth-talking guy White guys been in there... you know Obama isn't gonna have a black doctor. Hell! What's what's his name again? Something Jackson Ronnie Jackson. Ronnie Jackson Why did I think it was a black guy? Put on white house dog because your thinking of probably the neurosurgeon Okay this is a very white guy Well, that's his problem. That's his problem! Yeah if he was a black guy... But yeah you're right there's some truth to that if he was the black guy there's no chance they were going to do this Probably not Let's go let's go into more bullshit number three Against what every veterans group that spoken out about it says and the veterans groups whether the VFW, the AMVETS, the disabled American vets, the paralyzed vets all of them oppose privatization of VA because they know people on top

2:12:25 that make money from this private company, but veterans health services and... Hold on a second. Stop! This is not about privatization but he changes the subject and kind of mixes the two ideas that this Jackson guy in privatization all one of the same so they named these veteran groups as if the veteran groups are against this guy. Okay I got it. Very slick. No here's what's going on This we know the veterans group is a huge group and I'm pretty sure a lot of them voted for Trump Because he is all about the military. This is no you go this is a feeble attempt to win over the hearts and minds of vets by saying Your president and his administration Don't care about you they put a drunk in charge look how stupid they are

2:13:14 Yeah, I think you're right. Let's go over this finished clip three. Because there's no backup plan. I mean, I talk to people that work at the Cincinnati VA or the Dayton VA or the Chillicothe or Cleveland VAs or the community-based outpatient clinics in Lima and Mansfield Ohio they tell you we just want a VA that's got stable management that does predictable things instead of this chaos with no end in sight

2:13:51 As Dr. Jackson continues to founder and people in both parties keep asking questions that the White House never asked Okay, now there it is yeah And he's using an old meme why is he I mean he should be used some this is his own thing Yeah, I think Sherrod is a drunk He's the drunk I'm curious now about these 23 people do we ever talk about who they are? Is there any he brings it up again one more time in the last clip another short clip But this time he goes in and listen carefully where he says one thing, and then kind of says well I know how the White House does is. I've been there. I've been there why not really? I've never really been there but

2:14:31 It's unbelievable this character is vetting some of these nominees. I'm concerned that they're vetting at all, like I mean from my observations up close i've been in the White House a number of times. I've watched them up close. I've seen their nomination process uh pretty close. I mean I'm not at the White House watching them do the nominations but what happens if the president finds has an idea of some somebody, usually based on likability and loyalty. Loyalty to the president not necessarily to the people this cabinet agency person might you know person they might serve like the veterans he likes them he finds them loyal

2:15:08 He says he wants to nominate them and they move without staff saying, wait a minute Mr. President like they always say in every other White House Wait a minute We need to make a lot of calls to find out his background or there's any problems if you guys have been there for six years or substitution issues Or performance issues These 23 people we talked to apparently none or very few of them were ever called by the White House quickly senator Duda Okay, hold on a second. What's this? What is your most name you can talk to what's his name again? Brown Sha something he says the 23 people and these 20 these 23 people now have been taken to some level of you know some some height the pantheon of 23 people and apparently except a couple of he says none of them were ever contact well a couple of more he keeps backing off on half of this stuff

2:15:59 None of them were contacted. Well, a couple of more and but who are these people that they'd be contacted in the first place? He says their veterans of some sort and maybe they've moved on to other things It could be janitors for all we know but you know somebody's bitching I can't believe this luckily that The Asian guy who's on PBS NewsHour is Was not happy with this guy's performance Brown cut them off brown was vetted as its Jared J e r rod Brown. They always pronounced it Sherrod No, he was vetted as a potential vice presidential running mate for Hillary Clinton in 2016 The choice ultimately came down to brown and Tim Kaine who was selected as Clinton's running mate Yeah, but Kane was more gay so it was better Brown one of Bernie Sanders closest allies in the US Senate endorsed Clinton and campaigned for her prior to the 2016 Democratic primary in Ohio

2:16:55 Washington Monthly suggested that as a potential presidential candidate in 2020, Brown could unite the establishment and progressive wings of the Democratic Party. There you go! He's ramping up... Hey I can give this a shot! He stinks! He can't express himself well Let's look at his background hold on Uh-huh. He's a doctor son this is where it all starts Brown was in Mansfield, Ohio the son of Emily and Charles Gailey Brown MD he was named after his maternal grandfather became an Eagle Scout We love our Eagle Scouts I think Eagle Scouts are high I Respect that in 1967 he became an eagle scout holy crap how old is the guy who was 40 at the time? So it's good

2:17:43 He received a Bachelor of Arts degree in Russian Studies from Yale University in 74. So he went to Yale, studied Russian? He's a spook! Mm-hmm. He actually has the voice kind of a spook. He lived in Davenport College. While in college Brown volunteered for liberal politicians such as George McGovern and went on to receive a Master of Arts degree in Education and a Master of Public Administration Degree from Ohio State University in Columbus respectively. He taught the Mansfield branch campus of Ohio State University He backpacked in India during the state-of-emergency imposed by Prime Minister Indira Gandhi Backpacker, well we know they're all spooks

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2:34:01 I'm sucking at this game. You totally blow! Get me on the blower No, that was the phrase, totally blow. Blinkers, lamps, pies, shutters, peepers Oh boobs She's got great peepers See? I had one! No it's eyes! Oh please That's about boobs Shutters? Lamps? No Okay, last one and then we'll go to do this next show Ready? Yeah Blow your wig To get on the plane as a president It's become very excited yes, I thought it should get very mad but yeah blow your top or your wig. I've heard those 30s We got to get a few of these back in play like Roscoe is good. I like that what else give me another one oh

2:34:57 All right. I'm annoyed that i get this wrong okay you'll get this one booze hooch giggle juice and mule well it's alcohol a whiskey in fact but thats right close enough yeah Moscow Mule is a good one you never get this uh brody Brodie? You can ask me to use it as sentence um could you use the word in a sentence please Yeah he pulled a brody ow its like some massive failure Right. But where does it come from? It's a mistake. Where does it come from? I don't know, but I always thought...I didn't realize it went back to the 30s because I remember when they used the word Brody and I always thought of referred to the 49ers quarterback in the 50s. Okay. John Brodie. Did he do something really bad? No, he used to always run around the field like he was being chased by wild dogs. Oh!

2:35:57 And he was known for making quick U-turns and it was always cool. I always thought when they said pull the Brody, I thought that meant just turn around and go the other way. So I was befuddled apparently when I was a kid. One more? One more last one! Okay there's a bunch of them again Uh, brunos goons hatchet men torpedoes and trigger men. Yeah well these are foot soldiers of some mob yeah yeah hired gunman or other tough guys how about okay one last day really one more this because you need this one bulge bulges in a sentence he's got a bulge oh um got a lot of money having an advantage

2:36:40 Well, that's all men. It's like Battle of the Bulge I guess...I'm not sure. Okay. But that was in the 40s so it couldn't have been Battle of the Bulge but It is a lost era. Yes, well I think they're trying to bring some of it back also all so far we have So so far what we have is Roscoe Roscoe? I love Roscoe yeah And I'd like you to find out where that's from Gat is another one now. I like Roscoe. I'm like Ross We could we can there's some connection between gatling gun and get sure there is okay. I'll find out Roscoe Milo Yiannopoulos

2:37:17 Ah, forgot all about him. Yeah he wanted a nice roast he was with a friend of his but think some blogger or no and they had booked this place in New York maybe on a Sunday and they wanted to have it traditional English roast which they make there which I think you have to book that in advance and they're in there and then coincidentally some other group of people who identified by some name, I can't remember. Which also included a couple of journos from Buzzfeed and maybe one from Salon And this is what they said to Milo as he was standing there waiting for his table. Nazis come get out! Nazis come get out!

2:38:05 How insane is that? That's very insane. What kind of civility are these people exhibiting? I mean, first of all to call him a Nazi scum it just doesn't make any sense! It's just dumb and then in and it looks like a reasonably nice restaurant... And what the hell is wrong with these people?! Wow

2:38:53 Well, I'll tell you it starts early on and that started all starts here in our countries. Early on this is a story from Massachusetts Julia Hartwell loves her dolls and arts and crafts And like most four-year olds she has a best friend She said so and so your my best buddy The teacher told her that she couldn't say that there in school. At Pentauket Workshop Preschool, that's not a term Julia can use to describe her friendship I think it is ridiculous Children who are four years old speak from their heart so they should be able to call kids anything loving. You're my best friend, you're my best pal." The Georgetown Preschool offered this explanation to Julia's parents saying the term best friend can lead other children to feel excluded and it can ultimately lead to the formation of cliques and outsiders encouraging their students to have a wider group of friends

2:39:48 Although I think that words are really important and the term best does have an implied meaning to it, um...I don't know if the right answer is necessarily denying children the ability to use that term. Even now she goes to say it in a loving way, I'm going to go see my best friend Charlie or this one or that one and she looks at me sideways as she's saying it and she's checking with me to see if that language is okay. Christine Hartwell tells us her daughter will not be going to school for the rest of the year. We reached out to the Pentucket Workshop Preschool for comment so far we have no heard back

2:40:25 So I just found the contrast of these two clips back-to-back to be just astounding in context of our world today Wow, it's not okay for a child to say you're my best friend a four year old child But yet you can stand in the restaurant and call someone a Nazi scum. Yeah What kind of values are we are we exposing here? Oh Well, back to ABC. Because I was talking about their report on this Jackson guy the doctor yeah it was pretty lopsided but ABC which i'm now monitoring um... I found this to be very dubious that I want you to listen to this is about

2:41:13 Somebody had apparently taped or they had written notes or something for a big meeting the NFL say and I've also got this big problem with good with image Because their TV show is being ruined And they have they had a meeting with the players about oh, this was the secret recording. Yeah Nobody plays to recording by the way explain explain explain All right, so they had a meeting about all the owners and all the top players got together for some big meeting to try to resolve this kneeling problem an image problem of the league.

2:41:50 But of course nobody wants to report on anything about that. They want to report on the fact that a couple of negative things are said about Trump, but I want to deconstruct this particular report that ABC does. I call it a dubious... It's a hit piece! There is no real reason to do this piece at all except just to give Trump a bad time and i find it to be abhorrent they got other things to do with their time and The way they positioned this piece and the way they presented it was really nauseating, whether you like Trump or not. In the meantime we move on tonight. The recordings leaked NFL players and owners their private meeting they were talking about NFL protests and President Trump and the president's own friend Patriots owner Bob Kraft and what he said about the president here tonight Gio Benitez

2:42:38 The president and the Patriots again and again talking up his friendship with star quarterback Tom Brady, and team owner Bob Kraft. I have friends they own teams and Bob Kraft is a great owner. Kraft even giving the president his own Super Bowl ring! No team has been this good for this long But today, new recordings obtained by the New York Times reveal Kraft's deep frustration when the president attacked players taking a knee during the national anthem. Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners when somebody disrespects our flag? To say get that son-of-a-b***h! off the field right now. Out! He's fired!" The president's words? Topic A at a private meeting of NFL owners and players in October, according to the Times Kraft called on the group to address the elephant in the room this kneeling. The problem we have is we have a president who will use that as fodder to do his mission that I don't feel is in the best interests of America it's divisive and it's horrible

2:43:36 Publicly, the Patriots mounting a show of unity on the field. Tom Brady linking arms with his teammates. And David several other NFL owners took on the president during that private meeting one reportedly calling his presidency disastrous another adding this we need to put a band-aid on what's going on in this country David okay Now, first of all at the very end of that report there's two gratuitous slaps. One of the owners says it was disastrous and another one said we need to put a band-aid on something or other. And why didn't they play the audio from those quotes? Why did... I don't care about the audio! Why don't they just name the guys?! Yeah, there you go

2:44:17 They didn't name the guys, but they did name Robert Kraft. So why do you name Robert Kraft? But you don't name the other guys and how do you know that there wasn't somebody saying yeah, the president's fine he's got nothing to do with it that could have happened too but That's not going to be reported and these other guys aren't gonna Be named because this may have not even happened cuz they didn't have a tape of it They just call out Robert Kraft because the president at early on Mentioned him as a pal and they're just going after your friend two trumps were going after ya Yeah, it was a hit piece. It's designed to keep everybody silent about Trump I thought this was really a bad piece of propaganda sent the wrong message It was really poor journalism and then to throw out two gratuitous commentaries one there Oh the president's a disaster said who knows who we had his name? I don't know why you don't say his name Man, you keep this up You're gonna get the Presidential Medal of Honor

2:45:12 Yeah, yeah. Good even get invited to the inauguration and you actually came out publicly very early on very early on and were listed as a in the celebrity list of people who came out for Trump And you didn't even get invited now to anything now? Yeah, no We're not getting I'm doing this because this is a news deconstruction show and that's a good example shitty news Very shitty news Yeah. More shitty news, this is starting to heat up in the Netherlands I did a Bingit search and found more examples of this from 2008 but apparently some opera is now... Is it a conductor? No not a conductor But anyway there's a big problem with Mozart's Opera The Magical Flute Die Zauberfleute It's apparently misogynistic and racist

2:46:16 Did you know this? I know it now. Yeah, if you... Is there an explanation for this analysis? Yes! When was this written in 1640? Yes yes and the lyrics are yeah they're very racist and misogynistic you know he's talking about women they should be in the kitchen like boy his tongue is as black as his skin saying you know this black guy was a liar that's very racist But I guess it's gonna be off the books now. Burn it! Get rid of it! Get rid of Mozart, he has got to go! That Amadeus A-hole... get rid of him! Isn't that great? Yeah, that actually is great Just for the end of this show, I have these three clips from 60 Minutes last night because I promised earlier in this program as you said, Facebag needs to be attacked by the media Well, 60 Minutes did a pretty good job yesterday and it wasn't hard for them

2:47:12 They got a hold of Alexander Kogan. This is the guy who did the psychological survey for Cambridge Analytica, which of course you know as we know now the Russian bots retweeted the ads based upon this targeting and Trump won and Hillary lost That's the reason. Okay, so first of all the guy is a really personable kind of nerdy guy you know he taught at the university and he starts off with just blowing everyone's mind with The true information, which if you didn't see 60 Minutes or you listen to the No Agenda show You'll know all about this. For someone implicated in the biggest privacy scandal on earth... Heather! Cogan seemed- Really? This is the biggest privacy scandal on earth?! What? That's CBS 60 minutes The biggest privacy scandal on Earth On Earth Okay I think the OPW

2:48:14 The OPM, the Office of Personnel and Management was more scandalous. That's still ongoing. Okay for someone implicated in the biggest privacy scandal on earth. Oh God seems incongruously guileless before... Whoa whoa whoa! Incongruously guileless? What does that mean?! Well it means there is some sort of.. It doesn't make sense That he is so calm and doesn't seem to think any of this is important or something like that, that's my guess. It's just a great combo of words incongruously guileless. She loves her words at Bureau. Privacy scandal on earth. Kogan seems incongruously guileless Before all has happened what was your job and what was your field of study?

2:48:59 So I was a social psychologist. I was working as a university lecturer at the University of Cambridge in England and I ran this lab that studied happiness and kindness, happiness and kindness. Yeah, that's a far cry from the adjectives lobbed at him now sinister and unethical Here's what he did. He asked Facebook users to take a survey he designed from which he built psychological profiles meant to predict their behavior. He failed to disclose, one that what he was really after was access to their friends tens of millions of people who could not otherwise reach easily

2:49:41 and two, that he was doing the survey for Cambridge Analytica a political consulting firm that used the material to influence people on how to vote. The company's then CEO bragged about their prediction models on stage By having hundreds and hundreds of thousands Americans undertake this survey we were able to form a model to predict the personality every single adult in United States America Did you get to the point where you were predicting personalities? Yes. And you gave that to Cambridge Analytica? Correct What did you think they were going to use it for? I knew it was going to be for elections and I had an understanding or a feeling that was gonna be for the Republican side Tell us what you did So, I create this app where people sign up to do a study When they signed up we would give them a survey

2:50:32 And in the survey, we would have just this Facebook login button. And they would click the button, authorize us to get their data... Authorize us to do what? To collect certain data. We would collect things like their location, their gender, their birthday, uh, their page likes and similar information for their friends and all of this was written- But you did say that you collected information on their friends? But they didn't opt in. So, they didn't opt in explicitly? No no no! They didn't opt-in period. The friends did not up and that's part of the... It seems crazy now but this was a core feature of the Facebook platform for years This is not like special permission you have to get this was just something that was available to anybody who wanted it who was developer Yes How many apps do you think there are how many developers

2:51:19 Who did what you did? Tens of thousands. Tens of thousands? Tens of thousands. And Facebook obviously was aware... Of course! It was a feature, not a bug. They're going hard and heavy now Leslie Stahl not messing around and she's shocked Shocked! Has she done no, has none...no one has done any research there at CBS? Is she really shocked? Did she not realize this? I think she is. I don't think they do research anymore. Sandy Perikilis who used to work at Facebook explains The way it works if you're using an app and I'm your friend

2:51:56 The app can say, hey Leslie we want to get your data for use in this app. And we also want to get your friend's data if you say I will allow that then the app gets my data too What you're saying is I give permission for the friend? The friend doesn't give permission Right That...I mean It doesn't feel right when you say it out loud No it doesn't feel right Facebook should have been aware of how this could be abused because they were repeatedly warned, including by Parakilis who used to be a manager in charge of protecting data at the company. He says he raised concerns years before Kogan built his app I think they didn't want to know you know the impression that i got working there is... They didn't want the public to know? Well they didn't want to know in the sense that if

2:52:44 If they didn't know, then they could say they didn't know and they weren't liable. Whereas if they knew, they would actually have to do something about it. And one of the things that I was concerned about was that applications or developers of applications would receive all this Facebook data and once they received it there was no insight. Facebook had no control over what they were doing with the data. Once the data left Facebook Did Facebook have any real way to find out what happened to it? No. Or was it just gone? It was gone. Wow! They could put on a hard drive and they could hide in the closet

2:53:20 Would you say then policing this was pretty impossible? It was very frustrating. Did you bring this to the attention of the higher-ups, the executives? Yeah a number folks including several executives So were the executive's hair on fire did they say oh my god we have to fix this we have to do something I didn't really see any traction in terms of making changes To protect people they didn't prioritize it. I think is how I would phrase it sure that they didn't prioritize privacy Yes, I would say that they prioritized the growth of users The growth and the data they can collect and their ability to monetize that through advertising That's what they prioritized because those were the metrics and are the metrics in

2:54:06 That the stock market cares about I'm gonna send you that mute button so fast. You have no idea you've been hard and through all the clips I'm coughing I got me a bit talking for three hours, and now my cough syrups worn off some coffin. I'm sorry I'll get up yeah, you sent me to mute but there won't be a problem okay done last clip And this is the kicker Because Alexander Kogan was not the way yes, Cheryl Sanders is the CEO. Oh yeah It's totally she knew she's the one not Zuckerberg Yeah And he brought it to upper executive management's attention so she has no be Cheryl Yes, it has to everybody knows that they of course they don't care about other stuff there's ideas They are going to kill mainstream media

2:54:56 With their with it with the we've talked about this off offline with their ability to target people for advertising. Yes Has no prayer against them No, well unless they do hit job after hit job But there is some factual a little late in the game Well, they don't did just now shocked and surprised that you were giving permission to get your friends data Oh There's tens of thousands these people kind of bubble does she live in? I mean, do some work lady! Alright. Here's the kicker though... Aleksandr Kogan did not work alone. The company didn't start notifying the tens of millions of users whose data had been scraped until this month Oh and i hate that. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it It was like saying glitch The data was not scraped Scraped implies you did some kind of trickery hackery to get the names in a way you weren't supposed too No

2:55:55 This was a part of the system, a feature out of our agency. Yeah so stop with your scraped. The company didn't start notifying the tens of millions of users whose data had been scraped until this month They never took action against this man, Joseph Chancellor who was Kogan's co-worker. And where is he today? He works at Facebook Wait a minute... Did he have anything to do with the study you did for Cambridge Analytica? Yeah I mean we did everything together So they've come after you but not someone who did exactly what you did with you Yes and he actually works AT Facebook Correct Are YOU on Facebook

2:56:35 Why? Really, so they knew who you were? Yeah. I visited their campus many times, they had hired my students and even did a consulting project with Facebook in November of 2015 and what I was teaching them was lessons I learned from working with this data set that we have collected for Cambridge Analytica so I was explaining like here's kind of what we did and here's what we learned

2:57:15 And here's how you could apply it internally to help you with surveys and survey predictions and things like that. Any collusion? Confirmed that Kogan had done research and consulting with the company in 2013 and 2015, but in a statement told 60 Minutes at no point during these two years was Facebook aware of Cogan's activities with Cambridge Analytica except when he presented the data on how we sliced and diced it Cogan is testifying before the British Parliament next week. He says he's financially ruined and discredited through his ordeal. He says, he's come to see the error in the assumptions made by the tech world about Americans attitudes toward privacy." Now this is... So first of all yeah wow! The guys partner who did all this work with him is working at Facebag. He consulted on the very data he took none of this came up in the 10 hours of testimony

2:58:11 No. In fact, quite the opposite this was an evil guy but his equally evil partner works at the face bag This is... This is outrageous. It is, and now he gets to the crux Now we all know what you did Was it right? Back then we thought it was fine Right now my opinion has really been changed And has been changed in particular because I think that core idea that we had That everybody knows nobody cares was fundamentally flawed And so if that idea is wrong, then what we did was not right and it was not wise. And for that I'm sincerely sorry." And this of course has not changed. This is still the exact mentality of Silicon Valley. They're getting it for free! Totally! They're getting it for free everyone knows the deal. Everyone knows a deal don't they? But they really don't. That's exactly it yeah and they really don't know the deal...and that's the problem

2:59:08 Anyway, I thought that was good work on CBS's behalf Leslie Stahl dumb as she is or at least dumb as she acts And I thought it was good. You know the I don't I don't know if anyone cares Probably not but we'll pick up on these again. At least of mainstream media is getting a clue about these guys This is a dangerous company for them for their existence this is an existential threat and here I thought we are here. I thought we were the threat the podcasters Podcasters yeah, I was Play that podcast clip again Yeah That's how we're discredited throw a show on the makes podcasters look like doofus idiots. Okay boss good No one will want to listen that junk. That's what I'm thinking well. It's pretty bad it could be true Wow

3:00:04 Alright everybody, that is your media deconstruction for this Thursday April 26 2018 episode 1028. We return on Sunday with another episode for you and who knows what will happen in the meantime anything could happen today it is after all a show day so yeah until then I am coming to you from downtown Austin Texas capital of the drone star state FEMA region 6 on the governmental maps in the 5x9 Cluedio in the common law In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where remember everything just gets worse! I'm John C. Dvorak Until Sunday Remember us at dvorak dot org slash NA and as always Adios Mofos! I need a cab Cab Taxi

3:01:04 I had a swollen amygdala. Maybe my parents didn't know how widespread swollen amygdala is While swollen amygdala shrinks for most, that wasn't the case for me maybe they didn't know i would end up a douchebag SJW because of my swollen amygdala maybe if they'd known there's a podcast to help protect me when i was 11 or 12 maybe my parents just didn't know Right mum? Dad? What will you say? Don't wait. Log on to your child's podcast app today Learn more at YouMightDie.org Unknown to the American public, to this day If we just put the pillow over our head and go back to sleep Why not tell the American people that Yeah another great question That's not a great question

3:01:48 is a huge Russian effort to mess with our election because we didn't know whether we had anything. We didn't want to tip off these Americans and we were like, this is cool Elon. Started looking and there may be something in there. Magnetic headlines! A bloke in the backyard I think he's throwing shade on everyone. ...are sitting on a billion barrel basis. You know they talk about Collusion? Any collusion? A panic party. Well, uh... I think they had their greatest hits of conspiracy theories. Well, I hear you but to get back to the point about conspiracy... Syria. The cleanup process is gonna start! Yeah well i was just walking around and at a different point that chemical weapon was used. Guys who say things mean

3:02:45 I became part of my own story. It's fast and it's quiet, but that's squeezing. Yellow is still not determined uncomfortable. Now what determines substance? Coloreds that could have sex. We stop trying to do what a customer makes open to us. Are you in cahoots?

3:03:27 Mission is a go. Greatest hits of conspiracy theories Tonight, I'm going to make my own YouTube conspiracy video Information about the conspiracy They really were in cahoots Speaking of guns the NRA is giddy today Nobody's gonna tell me that kid did the shooting job he did from that damn bookstore He looks like a man Did you know that a third building fell on 9-11? According to some on the internet, this is exactly what Elon Musk did. May, may. May tomorrow. That's right. What if your mind worked like a television set? How do conspiracy theories work? You think of it like a mosaic. A lot of different pieces, a lot of different investigations that get lost in the noise. Don't you think this has something to do with that? He has this crazy conspiracy theory that they're suing over. Not a scintilla, not a scent of evidence. The human mind tries to find some sort of outlet for grief or rage or just uncertainty. I don't know what I need!

3:04:33 I know what I know, but I know that it's big. I think people look for conspiracies in everything because it is exciting Our amygdalae the part of our brain that processes fear jump starts the part of our brain that processes information All I know is Obama was raised by a traitor in Indonesia He is telling the truth That's why we're not going to err But others have detected unexpected and frankly bizarre secrets buried within its pages He claims there's a conspiracy. There has got to be so much more out there. The best podcast in the universe! Adios, mofo. Dvorak dot org slash N-A Oh my god