Episode 102 · Sunday, 7 June 2009

Bizarre Sex Crime

Legislators in Oregon target bizarre public sex crimes while Pfizer faces a massive lawsuit in Nigeria over experimental drug trials conducted on children during a meningitis outbreak.

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About this episode

Oregon legislators passed House Bill 2478 to classify the propulsion of semen at others as second-degree sexual abuse following a disturbing incident at a Portland Target. The new law highlights a growing trend of specialized sex crime legislation as North American jurisdictions grapple with the legal nuances of solicitation and public safety. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak analyze the enforcement challenges of these statutes alongside the shifting legal landscape of the sex work industry in Canada and the United States.

Nigeria is pursuing a massive legal claim against Pfizer for unauthorized 1996 Trovan drug trials that allegedly resulted in child fatalities and permanent deformities during a meningitis outbreak. This international legal battle coincides with reports of unauthorized HIV experiments on foster children in New York City and a World Health Organization push toward a level six pandemic alert for swine flu. Meanwhile, Germany is demanding the repatriation of physical gold bullion from U.S. custodial accounts as oil price manipulation concerns grow following Michael Greenberger's recent market analysis. In the technology sector, a viral outburst from Leo Laporte during a broadcast with Michael Arrington has sparked debate over professional conduct in the burgeoning podcasting industry.

John C. Dvorak recounts a disastrous encounter with squirrel karma that resulted in a tire blowout while Adam Curry reviews the peculiar sight of San Francisco police officers patrolling on Segways. The duo critiques the tactical absurdity of flashlight grips in police procedurals like Numbers and CSI. The episode concludes with a review of the Peking duck at Shanghai 1930 and a look at the proposed classification of Asperitus clouds.


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CHAPTER 01 / 23 Discussion

Shanghai 1930 Restaurant, San Francisco Dining Experience

Adam Curry describes a dinner at Shanghai 1930 on Stewart Street in San Francisco following a recommendation from John C. Dvorak. The experience included meeting manager Aura Green, listening to live jazz, and visiting the private Guangxi Lounge in the basement. Curry recounts meeting members of the Patel family from Uganda and discusses the quality of the Peking duck and porcelain Chinese soup spoons.

san francisco· shanghai 1930· aura green· dim sum· peking duck· guangxi lounge· patel family

00:01 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak It's time once again for your Gitmo Nation audio publication from the West Coast this time. Gitmo Nation This is no agenda Alright well I should really write down what i'm going to say I guess Coming to you from an undisclosed location in San Francisco California with the Kitchen Paper Roll Microphone Stand I am Adam Curry and i'm here laughing in northern silicon valley over these comments on john c dvorak it's really in the morning for me so it's you know i i'm trying to wake up this stuff it had been if you can roll up paper no it's the uh... uh... you know he is a lot of microphone when i'm on the road and that's all i have the uh... in this apartment that they don't like a furnished apartment for the month we have a uh... toilet but not toilet um

00:56 Paper towel roll. That's what the word is looking for paper towel roll holder and It's perfect so I have the love clipped on to the paper towel role it's the perfect height. I'll take a picture Yeah, you know it'll be well worth it John just to start off. I just want to thank you so much last night asked you for a recommendation, for dinner. Actually I started off by saying well we really feel like dim sum and you said well are you nuts? You can't have dim sum in the evening! No that's wrong that's only for breakfast or lunch and you were kind enough to send me three options. We chose

01:37 the Shanghai 1930 restaurant which is on 133 Stewart Street in here in San Francisco and Boy, let me tell you how the universe was in sync last night. I So we walk in and the manager, a lovely girl named Aura Green of course. Yeah don't you love it? I think her full name is Aura Luna Green to make it even better. Oh well they're hippies! No she's from the board on the island and she lived on the nudist colony when she was young

02:16 And she says, hey Adam how you doing? Remember me from Jack Falstaff which of course is the restaurant across the street from the office which just closed I guess a week or two ago. and said yeah well of course and so this Shanghai 1930 they had... By the way did you recognize her? No of course not but i pulled it off okay and um that kind of did I don't know yes but anyway there was a connection I looked up on OpenTable.com, they said they had no reservation so I called them and say hey do you have a table for two in like 15 minutes? Yeah, no problem come on down And so she said, oh it's Adam. We are great to see you and they have I don't know if it's every single night But they had a quartet with a with a singer playing live jazz music right there in this relatively small restaurant we got the center table Right in front of the band. I mean, you know They threw off the reserve ticket boom gone So, you know totally I was told totally rocking

03:15 The food was outrageous. We had Peking duck, we had some sea bass of course we did have the triple stack dim sum even though according to you it's illegal to have after 4pm but here is the kicker because John you said that you've been there a lot and in your email you said it was an outstanding place So, after we were done eating I went over to Aura and said you know just like to have a quick smoke. We'll go outside will come back will have our coffee she said well don't go outside come on down to the basement did you know that there's a basement in this place? Yeah actually i've eaten down there. Uh...I don't think so because it is not a place to eat. It is the Guangxi Lounge private cigar lounge humidor and rare wines and spirits members only

04:05 No, I've eaten down there but that wasn't when it was this okay and this if this was like literally 1930's very gangster ish You know them all the chairs are modeled after the maxell commercial remember The guy who sits there and he gets blown away by the sound of the Maxell audio tape And his tie flies backwards while he's sitting in front of the speakers So all of these leather chairs and there's basically it's us And a group of Indian people. So we're like, well I'm not going to sit on the opposite side so we sit down... From India? From India yeah. Indians

04:41 And we sit down, immediately they're like hey how you guys doing? Boy you're tall. You're so beautiful have a Cohiba. Have a Cohiba! Like okay I'll have one of your contraband no problem and these were from the Patel family which is of course name as common as Smith probably in India but these particular Patels own a lot of hotels and it was Fantastic, you know they two of them were born in Uganda in Kampala where of course I lived for a couple years and John it was the most amazing Amazing night we had and I want to thank you for I want to thank you for hooking us up And tonight. We're eating it Oh, what's it Azuma? Yeah, which is right next door

05:30 Yeah, that little area is interesting because that's where Boulevard is and there are a whole bunch of bars and jazz clubs in that little area. So we'd love to invite you after our dinner to go down and have some rare wine or spirits? That's always a possibility! Was there anything unique about the food? It was just really well prepared. Okay, here's something that was unique about the restaurant in general You know you have the spoons? The white spoons that you scoop up the dim sum with and And the rice These are actually really porcelain ones because of course I dropped one and it shattered into a thousand pieces These are Chinese soup spoons Yeah exactly But everything is...

06:23 Yeah, you know it really well taken care of everything's you know was just nice though the ambiance was great And I can't really give you a review other than the Peking duck was amazing Just amazing really really good Well, I was uh...I cleaned the kitchen sink last night. Did you use a disposal? Also of course and also cleaned off couple counters and I let's see oh yeah if i put that kind of found some pair slippers that I'd lost one of those two. Oh yes! And I found it

CHAPTER 02 / 23 Discussion

Live Free or Die Hard, Bruce Willis, Timothy Olyphant

John C. Dvorak reviews the film Live Free or Die Hard, noting a specific character named Dvorak within the movie. The discussion criticizes the "cartoonish" nature of modern action films, specifically citing scenes involving helicopters and cars. Dvorak also mentions actor Timothy Olyphant's performance in the film and his previous role in Hitman.

live free or die hard· bruce willis· timothy olyphant· dvorak· action movies· hitman

07:03 i'm so glad we're taking you out tonight man uh... and then i watched a five he watched bruce willis is uh... my uh... erica keeps good told me it was like a year ago when bruce willis uh... you die harder to live hard harder which one was it on the moon yes right at the computers although i haven't seen no one well yeah what he says you gotta see if there's a there's like a call out that bitch it's about you and i said i doubted but there is a devore act reference in the movie that is just like completely like why is this here anything and um... they're driving along and they've figured

07:38 somebody they gotta get a hold of and the guy's first name is Dvorak for some reason. So I thought that was kind of cute but the movie overall is absolutely fantastic film except it has a few, there are some...I mean I'm getting a little annoyed by some of these films and the fact that a guy in a helicopter And somehow a car is flung into the air to blow up the helicopter and a guy jumps out of the chopper. Right, yeah. And then gets up, brushes himself off... I mean there's too much cartoon stuff going on in films Yeah, well I agree that is..I love it when you know they shoot 100 times and miss and then the hero shoots once and hits him

08:24 Yeah, that's you know from that's really lame but it's just these guys they I mean this happened in the James Bond movies now. They're like Jackie Chan films like a complained about earlier and is like these guys or you know there are in a this met they don't have a broken arm. It is unbelievable So that was annoying, but the rest of it. The story was pretty good about some maniac and turns out that I'm starting to like this actor Timothy Oliphant. I don't know him he yeah you'll recognize him when you see him once or twice He plays an evil type of character But at first guess ran into them in a movie called the hitman uh-huh which was just appear

09:04 Fantasy film of some sort that had no real redeeming qualities except it was really good Yeah, a guy alone at home on a Saturday night movie. Is that what you're saying? It's just a good yes definitely a good guys movie. Just basically this guy killing people I mean yeah Have you seen mall cop No, I've been meaning to I was gonna see it on the plane Yeah, I watched it on the plane and I have to say laugh out loud without a doubt. It's really really funny What's the guys name in the movie Kevin? Bart could the guys named that cut the characters name

CHAPTER 03 / 23 Discussion

Paul Blart: Mall Cop, Segway Police, Kevin Epps

Adam Curry shares his reaction to the film Paul Blart: Mall Cop after watching it on a flight. The conversation shifts to the sight of real police officers using Segways in San Francisco. Curry also mentions a chance encounter with documentarian Kevin Epps and Mike Farah, a senior advisor to Gavin Newsom.

paul blart· mall cop· segway· kevin epps· gavin newsom· mike farah

09:40 Oh, yeah. I don't remember something. I can't remember some Paul Bart or something like that but it's just funny. I was in some situation recently when we were in town with a mall cop on a Segway? No there was some real cop on his segway and the fence some guy walking by mumbles the guy's name from the mall. Oh no oh no Paul Bart! Yeah that sounds right. He's like you know there goes Paul Bart Mall Cop You know, it's just like any policeman who has one of these idiotic segways and you see him here in there I mean it's just foolish. Hey something else happened that was funny yesterday. I'm sorry Friday I needed to go to the AT&T store and Kevin Epps walked in remember Kevin Epps No, I don't remember he's the guy that well, he is the documentary Documentarian I guess should call what he did straight out a hunter point

10:30 If that rings a bell, he's also done this new documentary called The Black Rock which is about black inmates on Alcatraz and we did the Hyphy show with him when we were still pod show. And he walks in and introduces us to this guy Mike Farah who is the senior advisor to Gavin Newsom. It's like weird stuff in the air man! Weird stuff! Well you're in San Francisco so while we're on the subject of food I might as well bring up my food story. Yeah please do So, it appears in their... there's an article in Slate. It is fine publication. It is actually and it appears as if Lard is back in vogue Yes it is!

CHAPTER 04 / 23 Discussion

Lard Health Benefits, Beef Kidney Fat, French Fry Chemistry

John C. Dvorak discusses a Slate article regarding the return of lard as a health-conscious cooking fat. He details the chemistry of rendering beef kidney fat, explaining its high smoke point and specific heat properties. Dvorak recounts a personal experiment with deep-frying french fries and chicken in rendered lard, ultimately expressing disappointment with the oily coating it left.

lard· slate· monounsaturated fat· beef kidney fat· rendering· french fries· smoke point

11:16 And I can tell you a story about that as well, but please continue. Well anyway they go on and on in this, people can look it up on Google, slate plus lard, you know? You probably have a couple of the writers show up on that list... I had lunch with them, remember when I told you about that place in Amsterdam where the staff is actually first and second year hotel students And on the menu it had, I was there with Christina and Dexter. On the menu it had a salad and avocado and lardons. I'm like, I know what a hardon is but what's a lardon? That's essentially little bits of lard. Is it cooked? Yes, it's cooked lard. Kinda almost like bacon bits I guess

11:53 Yeah, essentially except without the meat. So anyway so they're going on and on about this lard and you know it's a monounsaturated fat turns out to be good for your blood sugar or it has all these benefits and of course we've always known this to a point that's not so much that lard is I mean smart money has always used lard for where its appropriate to use but they talk about leaf lard and which is the beef kidney fat, which is used for all sorts of things. And I don't know if I've mentioned this before but I'm going to mention it again years and years and years ago I experimented with making french fries because according to French

12:32 If you look at the gastronomic or any of these things, you want to use beef kidney fat because it has an amazingly high smoke point and a lot of specific heat which is the amount of heat it can hold without in other words if you drop stuff into hot fat. It doesn't cool off that. You have real problem with all these oils. greasy food that the specific heat is crappy and so when you drop, you get the temperature to 350 and you drop some french fries in there. The temperature drops to 250 instantly with this stuff. Because it sucks it all up right? Yeah because weather doesn't have a...it won't hold heat and so anyway but this stuff will and so you could drop into 350 and the temperature probably drops at 349

13:17 and that's a forty nine point seven until his so they said it french fries you know the absorbed at the oil Okay, so I went through the process because it was more energy. Interested in the chemistry aspect of course? It's just a time-consuming process like all this beef kidney fat you had to buy ton of it and I had this big deep fat fryer and takes about a day to render it So you put the fat into this thing and cook and cook and then the oil starts coming off What do you mean render? I'm only familiar with the term render when it comes rendering video on Final Cut Pro

13:52 You take the fat and you put it in a, uh...in the cooker or the heater whatever. Deep-fat fry and you basically cook it and rendering means just to bring oil out of the fact so you're taking your render the fatsy get rid of so yet but a bunch of oil instead of gobs of fat and then pull off whatever's left which is you know some kind of mess. Hmm. You get rid that stuff. Okay see you've rendered it and its like 10 hour process At least, it took forever. And so now I got this rendered fat and by the way if you turn off the thing it'll turn to rock because its lard just like the stuff that you buy from a store where it says LARD on it. It's like the shit I've got in my stomach

14:34 So anyway, so I cook this is gonna be we're gonna be so disappointed with this story. What a wind-up stop you're still ahead don't go any further! So I decided to cook with this stuff so I did I tried chicken and I tried french fries which are supposed to be ideally cooked with this and I was highly disappointed. Even though it didn't absorb the fat, it left a little coating and it left on your mouth when you ate it. In other words this is bull! Get some safflower oil or sunflower...

CHAPTER 05 / 23 Discussion

European Parliament Election, Voter Turnout Predictions

The hosts review their previous predictions for the European Parliament election voter turnout. While Adam Curry predicted 28%, the actual consensus reached approximately 38%, closer to John C. Dvorak's estimate of 39%. They discuss the possibility of official numbers being manipulated to avoid showing extremely low engagement.

european parliament· voter turnout· elections· google· predictions

15:18 I we had a little we made some notes on last week's show. I predicted that the turnout of the voter turnout for the European Parliament elections would be rather low, I said it would be about 28 percent. I believe did you say 48 percent? I said 39. You said 39 So it's interesting because you can Google all you want but they don't know, because of course they have to put all this stuff together. The elections are basically a three-day process I think today is actually still the day you can vote in some countries that could be wrong John, the consensus so far that i've seen is about 38 percent Of course its shamefully low but uh... you were very close Yeah!

16:05 Big props. Oops! I don't think they would have... There we go. ...picked that number because it was going to be low too, but if it was 28% like you predicted they would fake the numbers Yeah to make them higher? To jack them up there's no way that they would allow a number like that to get into public domain even if it was 28%. Are you downloading something are you downloading porn or...? Nope I'm not but know that connection is breaking up. Yeah just little bit and its kinda weird So last night... Are you on Comcast? Is that Comcast by the way, is that a Comcast feature? No I don't know what it is. It's crap and I gotta get out of this place within a week before Thursday essentially because where some people will sell their car because the ashtrays are full well I got to get out of this apartment cause the Wi-Fi sucks This is just no good

CHAPTER 06 / 23 Discussion

Susan Boyle, Reality Television Ethics, Death Row Concept

Following Susan Boyle's admission to a mental health center after Britain's Got Talent, the hosts discuss the psychological toll of reality television. They propose a dark satirical concept for a reality show featuring death row inmates where the "voted off" contestant faces execution.

susan boyle· britain's got talent· reality tv· larry king· death penalty

16:52 yeah you sound like crap okay well thanks no actually on the recording I'll sound really good. Yeah, i know you will but I'll sound like crap. That's okay um so I saw Larry King the other night and it was this huge conversation and they kept talking about reality shows and could we see a suicide? And now back to real news apparently Susan Boyle the Britain's Got Talent phenomenon after losing on last week's finale had to go into a mental health center for exhaustion for about five or six days. Yeah, yeah that was in the news here and it was just fascinating to see all of these pundits talking about

17:40 you know talking about uh... reality shows and you know how far we go and i can i keep saying we have discussed this may be somewhere on episode thirty even as early is that that the ultimate reality show is a death penalty you know that should be broadcast live you should do yeah he had to do the entire death row thing you know if you get voted off who goes first yes we got five guys from death row did all of them have to do like uh... little love you-know-who What's that? It's the electric chair. Yeah, right but you know so it's five guys and each or maybe we can do 15 guys no 13 guys because we have a thirteen week run and they have to do tasks right and then it could be different general knowledge questions but essentially get voted off when you get fried I think would be a fantastic show and you watch it will come maybe even before the end of this show the end of this shows run you will see this happen

CHAPTER 07 / 23 Discussion

Pfizer Nigeria Lawsuit, Trovan Drug Trials, HIV Experiments

Nigeria is pursuing legal action against Pfizer for improper 1996 drug trials of the antibiotic Trovan during a meningitis outbreak. The trials allegedly resulted in the deaths of children and various deformities. The segment also references a BBC investigation into unauthorized HIV drug trials performed on foster children in New York City.

pfizer· nigeria· trovan· meningitis· hiv· drug trials· bbc

18:38 Yeah, I've been hopeful but... It seems unlikely. Damn! Damn it's unlikely. I got some medical news this is quite disturbing of course the pharmaceuticals are so out of control trying to inject us with everything and now Nigeria the country that brought you the Nigerian princess scam is suing Pfizer I don't know if you caught this one. They filed charges against the pharmaceutical company Pfizer, accusing it of carrying out improper trials for anti-meningitis drugs in 1996 So here's the deal in 96 thousands of people were dying from an outbreak of meningitis across northern Nigeria and Thousands more were paralyzed by their disease It is a horrible disease If not treated properly so families were urged to take their sick children to Kano's infectious diseases hospital to receive treatment

19:41 But the treatment turned out to be a test, a beta test of Trovan which was Pfizer was testing this new antibiotic. Gave it to 200 of the sick children and 50 died of course and more developed deformities. Of course Pfizer denies that says oh it's only 11 come on stop exaggerating! And so this is a case will be very interesting to watch but just shows how horrible these drug companies are. Very cavalier uh... we see has more i want to do more of the whole bunch of uh... vulnerable kids in some of new york's poorest districts are being forced to take part in hiv drug trial so it's not just happening in nigeria but the bbc did a nine-month investigation and found out that in new york city hiv positive children some only as old as a few months or enrolled in toxic experiments with outs consent of guardians for relatives

CHAPTER 08 / 23 Discussion

Cop Drama Tropes, Flashlight Techniques, Numbers TV Show

John C. Dvorak criticizes common tropes in police procedural shows like Numbers and CSI, specifically the "flashlight scene" where officers search dark rooms without turning on light switches. He mocks the tactical grip used on Maglites and compares it to the horizontal handgun grip trope in 1990s hip-hop cinema.

numbers· csi· flashlights· tony scott· ridley scott· police procedurals

20:41 And all these stories of course you can find in the show notes at noagenda.mivio.com I'm sorry there's a hair dryer going on here in the background should you be wondering what that sound is Can't hear it, so let me since we're on real news want to play this jingle again? Yeah absolutely and now back to Real News Okay, I guess this is my complaint for the week. I was watching Numbers The finale and that was why I'm not familiar with this what's number? It's just it's just you don't need to know like it's just well, it's another cop drama Oh, okay. We're not that dissimilar from all the roots of them You know, I was watching NCIS and CIS Miami as I think see as Miami's where this began and

21:28 But there's this scene that is cropping up over and over and over in all these cop dramas, and it is driving me nuts. It's the flashlight scene! These guys, these cops... There are usually four or five of them, they got flashlights which by the way, they're holding upside down like a weapon. Like a normal palm of your hand, your palms up? Yeah, it's the mag light. Right you could grab it and use it as a club that way instead you have the flashlight upside down in other words your palm is on top of the flashlight and you're holding it over your head What? And this is what I'm picking up to see all these cop dramas do the same thing every cop is holding the flashlight in this kind of upside-down manner over their heads so it looks little like the Statue of Liberty

22:26 Seriously. And here's the kicker to this, you see all these cops come with flashlights every one of these shows has the same they go in first they clear the place and then they wander around flashlights looking for clues turn on the freaking light! There is a light switch? Turn on the light why are you wandering around with these flashlights over your head when there's a light there Every one of these shows does that over and over and over. Is this adding mystery or suspense? Is this a dramatic moment? Who dreamed up this to begin with?" Oh, that's...that's a good observation man! It's beyond me I can't take it anymore when i see these scenes. Ah man you know in the 90s

23:13 There was a lot of like these hip-hop gangster movies and the thing that always got me is whenever you see a hip hop gangsta dude with a gun, with a handgun usually like a Glock or some other type of automatic pistol they always hold it horizontal. Yeah! It's like... You cannot shoot accurately that way is the stupidest thing in the world You know, you can't shoot accurately. And I'm like who made that shit up? I don't know but i do know this numbers is done by Tony and Ridley Scott and they're using the stupid gimmick of having people in a room darkened with lights Turn on the light! Turn on the light you idiots! That goes right along with these five minute DNA analysis

CHAPTER 09 / 23 Discussion

Asperitus Clouds, New Cloud Classifications, Flight 447

The hosts discuss the potential official recognition of "Asperitus" clouds, which would be the first new cloud classification in 50 years. They examine photos from the Daily Mail and debate whether the formations are related to climate change or Photoshop. The segment includes anecdotes about seeing funnel clouds while flying near Chicago and Cannes.

asperitus clouds· daily mail· meteorology· flight 447· funnel clouds· cloud types

23:59 It's right in their DNA now. You know, I think a lot of these things they have these places are so dimly lit that there is nobody...I don't know what I mean. I don't necessarily think we can go back to the days of Hawaii 5-0 where the office is actually well lit like a real office with fluorescent lighting. Da da da da daaa. That lights the place up a little bit instead of this dark grim place everybody is in shadows. Mood lighting and dimmers at CSI This just came in two days ago. I know a reasonable amount about weather and particularly as an airman when flying, you want to stay away from the cumulus nimbus and this has been in the news recently with flight 447 There's a new type of cloud that they've actually given a name to it The Asperitus clouds

24:58 So let me just read this. This is from the Daily Mail, okay so take it with a grain of asparagus whipped into fantastical shapes and the picture is beautiful I'll Skype you in a second these clouds hang over the darkening landscape like the harbingers of a mighty storm but despite their stunning and frequent appearances The formations have yet to be officially recognized with a name. They've been seen all over Britain in different forms, from Snowdonia to the Scottish Highlands and other parts of the world such as New Zealand but usually break up without producing a storm." Let me Skype...the picture is just outrageously beautiful! And I have not seen these clouds personally and I do a fair amount of flying... Now hold on why does this not giving me the link?

25:40 So, you know in July when I go back it will definitely take a look. These things are just outrageous and so i guess they're calling them asperitus clouds Look at these things! It's kind of like Independence Day or Doomsday or whatever where... I actually have a picture these clouds. This is really nutty now but I take pictures of clouds all the time. Yeah, for this huge collection. You put next to your collection of train pictures And train whistles. Yes, when I'm not cleaning the sink... Or making travel lists

26:20 So yeah, once in a while this is weird. This is pretty good one. Definitely check that out on the show notes. Do you think this might have something to do with the changing of polarity of the Earth and all these different types of stuff going on? I mean it seems like a phenomenon that would have something to do with that I don't know. Or is it maybe some kind of wind changes? It's really, really amazing when you look at these pictures. Well yeah...I'm baffled by them too. You don't see them that often but they're really pretty when you do. They are like dynamite!

26:56 But is there any single picture? You've actually seen them, I'm sure you have. You just haven't noticed them because generally speaking they're not so dramatically lit as in this particular picture Yeah i'm sure these are graded for... If you look at the second picture there, that's underneath where it buildings, you've seen that before That kind of thing Let me see yeah but well this was also taken from..that second pictures take either from a top floor building probably top floor building I'll be on the lookout. I'll be a second picture looks a little Photoshop too for some reason, and not yeah totally convinced look at the one below it Yeah The one below it which but this could be the first new classification of a cloud type in 50 years You know whenever that stuff happens is you know? It's like a you know like I remember when Pluto was a planet And then of course I remember when Pluto was no longer a planet

27:47 That's big stuff. The one below looks like another picture of the, it looks like the same as the one above it at the top only taken two seconds later How long do you think it'll take before this is classified as another result of global warming? Oh I'm surprised that's not in the article Actually might be But what your looking at seems to me on that dramatic picture is a funnel cloud Because that thing looks like it's hard to tell yeah, it's hard to tell if it's going down or not. It could be could be One time I was flying into Chicago on some carrier and you know the Lake Michigan keeps You know tornadoes from coming into Chicago for first because of microclimate and I swear to God we key was in the morning It was an early flight and it was really interestingly lit. I'm sorry John when was it? there was a

28:40 Interestingly lit early in the morning. I guess. No, no. Oh, I needed the excuse yeah sorry so anyway So i'm looking and there was like I must have seen that must've been 50 final clouds It was beautiful. Yeah, I've flown um I flew underneath the storm front once coming back from uh con in my own plane with a with a safety pilot We were right underneath this front about to cross into a controlled zone, so we had to be pretty low. But there were actual little wisps of funnel clouds maybe only three feet long and it was the most spectacular sight you see these things just kind of forming just underneath this storm system is really beautiful Yeah no that's a real attractive formation There was actually one that touched down in the bay once and I did get a picture of it

CHAPTER 10 / 23 Discussion

California Water Crisis, Salmon Extinction, North Korea

Federal agencies have ordered water supply cuts to California cities and farms to protect endangered salmon species during a three-year drought. The conversation shifts abruptly to North Korea as Adam Curry expresses a desire to visit the country to meet Kim Jong-il.

salmon· california· drought· national marine fisheries service· north korea· water supply

29:28 It's pretty rare to get funnel clouds around here, but this one was forming in the middle of the bay. and uh... it just was like you know i never did anything in the news but we've had water spots occasionally but it's like once every five years or use a report of when they only last for life four or five minutes speaking of water and san francisco california is thirst for water has pushed salmon and other fish to the brink of extinction according to federal agency on thursday as directed officials to cut water supplies two cities and farms to save several species No, yeah which ones? Okay. The state faces a water crisis third year of the drought and climate change Of course and a growth population to the mix the fate of some salmon Salmon runs look untenable without change This is the National Marine Fisheries Service who has ordered this as part of a long-running court battle over salmon Yes, salmons are having problems I didn't know we had salmon here

30:30 I thought that was like Nova Scotia and Norway. No, no there's a lot of salmon in California especially the northern part of the state and also all through Oregon and Washington mostly Washington that's where you get the best salmon You know what's handy about this paper towel roll as a mic stand is when i need to blow my nose I have the paper towel right here Oh you actually still have paper towels on? Yeah! The mic is clipped onto the paper towel itself. Wow! That's good Classy North Korea agrees to enter talks with South Korea. God, I've so got a call Uncle Don. Yeah, let's get into this thing! I want to visit North Korea and drink Bordeaux wine with Kim Jong-il. I don't see any reason... I don't see why we can't do that. We should you know uncle Don should be able to hook that up. Let's be honest

CHAPTER 11 / 23 Discussion

Kim Jong-il, Bordeaux Wine Collection, North Korea Travel

John C. Dvorak proposes traveling to North Korea to help Kim Jong-il inventory his rumored collection of rare Bordeaux wines. The hosts discuss the social aspects of high-end wine collecting and the potential for "wine diplomacy." They reference North Korean humor as depicted in travel shows like Globe Trekker.

kim jong-il· bordeaux· wine tasting· north korea· globe trekker· state department

31:19 So here's the reason this comes up in the conversation. I've been meaning to talk about it We did we did talk about this previously no, no we talked about off-the air Are you sure? I'm pretty sure we talked specifically wrote it down that we're gonna talk about because it was something I wanted to talk about okay You want but if you tell the story and I'll watch the Twitter so the idea is that Kim Jong il apparently as a Bordeaux collector and uh... i have to assume if that's the case he probably doesn't get the taste of too many people that have you know train pallet or anyone who don't have a lot of friends hanging out from the way i think there's a lot of friends but they're probably just yes men and no one would just say hey dude came john this is this is court since court pardon your likeness it before

32:10 Okay, that's the whole reason why you think he's just no. No reason wise because I'll bet you that he's got some extremely Desirable Bordeaux's in a cellar that he probably needs to have an inventory taken by someone who actually you know knows what? He's doing yeah and I think it would be a...and also think that he would like most wine drinkers, and i can assure you. And by the way if the guy's a Bordeaux aficionado he can't be all bad. He can't be total jackass! I agree because you gotta have some love in your somewhere if you have appreciation for that stuff It seems to me so anyway the point is

32:47 Need some you know most wine drinkers and I because I have a lot of friends are there collect extremely expensive bottles And they don't really have in that. You know They don't can't casually open these bottles because you'd have too much respect for the wine Because it should be shared because everyone so you can sit around go wow yeah, it is good Hey, let's hit that red button Kim Jung this shit's good So uh... so it seems to me that you know he but you know besides the fact is yet some detainees i'm sure they have developed a palette but they could use an outside guy to come in and you don't have a few bottles with them and i i will be there for a couple days

33:28 You won't overstay your welcome or anything. I'm not gonna stick around, I'm gonna get in and get out! Yeah right...I will call Uncle Don first i gotta you know bring him up to date on my personal situation which is why haven't called you know it's like one of those calls the family just don't really want to make And by the way, GD Harbin says have not heard this story yet on the show. Okay good. See? Yeah you're right So I promise you all I will ask him if it's possible for you to go and have a Bordeaux tasting with Kim Jong-il Right. I promise you and you know what? You could actually save the world in the process imagine, you know And maybe if I went along would be even better, you know So we'd be blowing on the Bordeaux say hey Oh Kim Jung dude, you know just so you know It's like this is kind of like freaking people out over over in the States and stuff, you know Can you just think like he's back on this shit? Yeah, I Think that there's also the possibility that he wants to move to gestalt Switzerland

34:30 Lots of friends there I hear. Just saying, anyway so the point is that i think it would be worthwhile for him and me and you know the only drawback of course was that he had to be completely debriefed every time when I came back from the State Department who'd be grilling me about what color were his socks? Did you see any guys look just like him are sure with a real one? Any duplicates? Any clones walking around Now one of the reasons I wanted to go to North Korea is because there was a Globe Trekker show or Rough Travels. They went to North Korea, they had permission as opposed these two people just got arrested

35:12 uh... and they were floating around and it seemed to me as though there was a there was a good kind of bitch koreans have a kind of a weird and charming sense of humor and that day i had a lot of footage in these guys you know various career north koreans that we're just making fun of the uh... of the camera crew uh... you-know mostly in some sort of self mocking manner like or we dangerous you know if she has to look at us work cracking open bordeaux Anyway, so it'd be fun to go there. I think you got any notes Yeah, well, I got a few things. I mean there's a good story in the Toronto Sun and was a good credit I forgot who sent this to me apparently The hookers oh, I saw this article yes They're down from 60 bucks for a BJ 2 5 bucks yeah carry lots. Yes. Oh yeah our New York Research Department yeah

CHAPTER 12 / 23 Discussion

Prostitution Laws, Canada vs United States, Sexual Crime Rates

A Toronto Sun article about declining prices for sex work in Canada prompts a discussion on the legal nuances of prostitution. Dvorak explains that while taking money for sex may be legal in Canada, solicitation is often restricted. They compare these policies to the United States and Nevada, arguing that decriminalization can lower overall sexual crime rates.

toronto sun· prostitution· canada· solicitation· sex crimes· nevada

36:04 He has got found a Toronto Sun article yet. Well not five bucks, but yeah I guess the people are bargaining in $60 It says it right there in the article that the drag queen was really pissed off he said you know I don't put on makeup and my best dress for four or five bucks and rightly so yeah well you know the trial some by the way is the canadian equivalent of the daily mail this is prostitution legal in uh... kate katie a uh... you know the prostitutions not per se legal but there's something to say it's a gimmick the way they have the law written it was explained to me i used to write for the vancouver sun and i've been right now that he would be the son of the u-k

36:41 No, the Vancouver Sun was actually the good paper. The province which is the other paper was the tabloid but I think that's changed But anyway, the editor explained to me some of the way it works in Canada and it was like... And it was kind of convoluted and I wish maybe I could get on paper so we could put into show notes. Apparently is not illegal to take money for sex but its illegal to... Solicit maybe? Well there's a lot solicitation that goes on so that.. It was some... You're reliably informed! Well what can I say they were all over the place but it was just with some crazy twist

37:21 that made it quasi-legal so there was never any, you know... It wasn't considered the way it is in the United States where they'll pick your car up. In the United States if you... Oh please! You're on Dateline! You get on Dateline if you do that shit They get hidden camera footage and then they shame you publicly Listen Go and Google Holland or Rape Canada Or Rape Australia It is just a fact that if you allow this and don't make it a big deal, that it lowers all kinds of sexual crime. Yeah in Nevada where it is legal uh you know all but to couple counties the sex crimes are almost zero.

38:10 It was funny. I think that's because they want to keep the public fearful and terrorize the public with it. You really think? Is that what its for? It just seems like its holier than thou craft. So if is, thats what happens as a result so why don't we change the law? I saw a link im looking for right now there was a bill that was passed Hold on, let me find this because this is right along with the story. Shit I clicked it and didn't mean to close that one Of course This is not very smart of me to now be crunching bandwidth So we'll find the bill and I forget which state but as its loading I'll get that for you Apparently there was an incident with a hold on

CHAPTER 13 / 23 Discussion

Oregon House Bill 2478, Semen Throwing Legislation

Oregon legislators have passed House Bill 2478, which classifies the act of propelling "dangerous substances" (specifically semen) at another person as a second-degree sexual abuse crime. The bill was prompted by a June incident at a Portland Target store. The hosts discuss the legal definitions and enforcement challenges of the new law.

oregon· house bill 2478· sex crime· portland· target· legislation

38:57 Here we go. Bill banning semen throwing in Oregon, House bill 247 is on its way to the governor. It will now be a... What? Yes! Bill 2478 it will now be a sex crime to propel a quote dangerous substance at another person and this follows on an incident of semen throwing uh... between monkeys are well let me read for you so salem oregon usually politicians love the sound of their own vice own voices shut up u but not so when the topic is proposed newton on uh... bill made its way through to committees committees one senate floor vote to house for votes uh... here we go i have to find what the incident was um... but essentially and the bill is now being passed that you may not

39:52 Let me see if I can get the exact language. You may not throw with any propelling force semen at another person. What kind of law is this? What is wrong with these people in Oregon? It's known as the Bukake Bill actually, John. Oh sorry, reference beyond your knowledge of porn? Never heard of it. Okay, get back to the story Google this B UK a Disgusting the audience I'm not this is serious. This is real news The serious bill here the proposed new law nobody wants to talk about of course go figure would make it a second-degree sex abuse crime To propel quote a dangerous substance at another person how does it the substance be with somebody gonna slip? No no John

40:47 to do it? Of course, it could be AIDS. The substance being semen or other bodily fluid flung out of sexual desire! So the question is... Is it illegal if you actually throw it with your hand or if it's exuded from your body? When is this a crime? This is crazy. And who's going to enforce this crime? Okay here it is. Hello? Here it is. The proposed law follows an incident last June when a man threw his semen on a mother in a Portland area Target store, her little girl saw it first. Ugh! The man was convicted of assault and now this crime will fall into the category of sexual assault. The bodily fluid in question was not the same thing as throwing a coke at somebody no

CHAPTER 14 / 23 Discussion

Credit Scores, Employment Screening, Air France 447 Data

The hosts discuss the increasing trend of employers using credit scores to screen job applicants. The segment transitions to breaking news regarding Air France Flight 447, with Curry reviewing leaked fault reports that indicate a TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) failure and low airspeed before the crash.

credit reports· employment· air france 447· tcas· fault reports

41:41 My God, what is happening in the world? This is outrage. Well they try to make everything a sex crime nowadays if you're peeing in the park it's a sex crime which trivializes and marginalizes real sex crimes which I think is the idea so we have every other jerk-off around the San Francisco Bay Area as a sex criminal that's on some list that you can look up on the internet and you can't get work. It reminds me of talking about not getting work There was, I unfortunately made a clip and I can't...I lost it. But there's a bunch of commercials going on now about how important is you get all three of your credit reports because two of them might be wrong or one of them... For one thing this argument that you need all three credit reports just to be safe. Yeah. Bull! Is like what? You mean tell me these things aren't accurate? Anyone of them is not accurate so then why are we even using them but the thing that they're promoting now more than anything which is a fact

42:37 Which is you might not get a job if you have a crappy credit report or score. What? Yes, there's lot of employers now are checking credit scores which is like a new phenomenon over the last decade or two and If your credit score is not up to snuff they can refuse to hire you That's crazy Hey I just received a printout from Air France 447 printout of its altitude and airspeed, and I'm trying to parse this. Wow! So you know that you've been hearing on the news about these 24 fault reports that the airplane sent out home base before they lost contact? I got to take some time in and parse this but right away i'm seeing

CHAPTER 15 / 23 Discussion

Leo Laporte, Michael Arrington, TWiT Outburst

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak discuss a viral video of tech personality Leo Laporte losing his temper during a broadcast with Michael Arrington. They note that the uncharacteristic use of profanity by Laporte made the incident particularly impactful for his audience.

leo laporte· michael arrington· techcrunch· twit· blog· outburst

43:33 Number 34 we have a TCAS fault which is very important. That's traffic collision avoidance system, so it could have crashed into something Wow, I'm sorry. I wasn't prepared for this but it looks like airspeed got very very low Well we can do on Thursday Yeah well we'll do it on Thursday but that's great that there is information coming out about this because...I still believe this all part of the Boeing Airbus fight So now we've had an Airbus Boeing next everybody! Stay away from Boeings Well, that's pretty hard to do if you go anywhere. Yeah well I know but... Dude did you see this Leo Laporte thing? Maybe don't want to talk about it Did you see this video where he just like- Yeah! I posted it Oh okay when he freaks out at Mike Arrington Yeah Wow That was pretty funny Jesus no its not I feel really bad Leo like He was pissed off I've never heard him use the A word or F U Or any of that Yeah and now I know thats what made more impactful Yeah

44:38 It's on the blog, thebrock.org slash blog go check it out I also have some commentary to add to it by the way we had all the comments are interesting because there is about 80 of them and everybody saying you know they all said just what you said which is why never heard that before must have been really bad and this and that Everybody loves Leo. It's like yeah, it is so out of character and everybody loves Leo That should be that's like a South Park show isn't it kind of like from the creators of South Park? Everybody loves Leo So in any way but nobody likes Arrington, so I guess itself now to be a you know we should do and that's another one for the armory think it's time we uh... well you know i thought we were gonna use these disjointed this is not the jingle this isn't what we've used before i'm sorry i'm sorry i take it back if i could add all cut out of the show now it's okay um... which is my identifier

CHAPTER 16 / 23 Discussion

No Agenda Donations, HEMA Underwear Premium, Brand History

The hosts discuss the financial state of the podcast and the need for more contributors. They brainstorm new "premiums" for donors, focusing on a limited run of HEMA-brand underwear with "No Agenda" embroidery. The conversation includes a nostalgic look at legacy brands like Marks & Sparks and Pennies.

donations· hema· underwear· premiums· marks & sparks· pennies

45:35 Yeah, no it's an identifier but I did you know sorry. I'm sorry you're right We've analyzed that the jingles don't work now the gene won't work in my you know and then in fact I talked to in fact they just did a back-and-forth with our Jeff Smith yeah so Jeff And you know he's in agreement That the aging the jingle is kind of trivializes and the importance of what we're doing here Right yep And we do have some, I'm going to bring you up the list on Thursday. We do have some new contributors including some interesting numbers and but we do need and then we got some new subscribers. We actually had a pretty good week. Unfortunately we have to keep hounding people because... It's just not enough it's not even anywhere near enough Yeah we don't get the kind of numbers that you know a good charity gets thats for sure

46:23 And so we need to get some more income from people at dvork.org slash NA or noagendalibrary dot com and if you can subscribe I'm going to add some new things this week, I've been promising to do this. I am going to add some subscriptions that are... People say well I don't like paying two bucks a month, I'd rather pay twenty And so I'm thinking well, okay. So I am going to add some new options including the long-term knighthood and some other things that people want to... We have had an ongoing dialogue about our premiums and I have very serious now we've talked about flatware and we talked about no agenda ugly stick but the HEMA underwear i believe we can actually pull off and I can have a shipment sent

47:08 I think we should do a limited run and i can get very, very, very inexpensive embroidery done. And I think we should go...I know you don't want to but I think we should go for the embroidery of the no agenda on the crotch." Well like that one guy who said, there's another good one when you put it on the crotch which would be uh... Or on the ass! We could do it on the ass! Either way but I'm just saying that what I did is kind of funny which has seen cartoons about It's an internet joke says 403 forbidden Well on the front there should be 404 not found. That would be even better. Yeah that's good, let's insult the audience. Okay yeah so um... I like that!

47:48 Anyway, we have to decide what kind of HEMA underwear because you seem to like the big giant. They're not big and giant they have legs! If your a tall guy like myself it kinda breaks up the leg so maybe we have two? We have one for guys like you which is essentially the Ron Jeremy black speedo version. Yeah me and Ron Jeremy yeah that's it. And then uh... then we should have the uh... you know the wilt the stilt with legs. We can get both, it's not a problem. Alright well anyway there seems to be a lot of response to the HEMA underwear Yes people are liking the idea Because but you know what? To be honest about they won't regret it because just like you and I both agree It's not shit! It's a great premium It's a great product Actually we could probably go into business and make more money than doing this show selling the damn underwear

48:42 You know, it's funny because you were talking about purchasing Marks and Sparks underwear previous to your HEMA discovery. And I was unpacking my house which consists of three cases on wheels and I actually saw that previous to my HEMA underwear purchases I have Marks & Sparks! So we really are lost souls. Well, we're not alone in this by the way obviously otherwise it wouldn't be making this damned underwear but the fact of the matter is My mom would be so proud. The HEMA folks have taken up the gauntlet, they're the ones that are doing the good underwear now and it's only in Holland but everybody who is a big worldwide traveler I'm sure once they find out about it this is what their buying because you gotta buy underwear somewhere. When I was little kid by the way used to be pennies. Pennies yes! I remember even when I was a kid pennies. Yeah when I was a kid my parents said oh your penny's underwear is the best Do you remember

CHAPTER 17 / 23 Discussion

Podcast Funding, PayPal Account, Equipment Costs

In response to listener questions about where donation money goes, the hosts explain that funds cover equipment costs and production time. They contrast their "paper towel roll" microphone stands with the professional offices of organizations like PBS to emphasize their independent, low-budget operation.

paypal· pbs· funding· equipment· mic stands· donations

49:42 Keds shoes. I do remember kids is I think they're still in business and wasn't it Kinney's wasn't Kenny's the shoe store And was so cool you go to the shoe store, and you put your foot in there in this in the foot You're radiated no no no no And would measure your foot exactly oh No, I never had that we used to have I was when I was a kid when you were a kid We actually had those things that were like x-ray machines You'd stick your feet in there and it was like a shot of you know, you could look down. See how the foot looked in the shoe Brandon Leidy just Twittered and said I think people would be more willing to donate if we knew where the money is going Well right now it's going nowhere

50:26 I don't even know, it's just sitting in the PayPal account but I guess we eat from it. Technically well not really directly but we should. We haven't taken anything out of the PayPal yet. Where is it going? It's paying for this show! We gotta get some money for this thing so maybe there are a bunch of guys that have written in...not a bunch, there are 12 year olds I don't see why you guys need any money. Oh yeah right thanks, we should just be working for him for free Yeah right pal exactly sure Why does PBS need money? Where does the money go? It goes for equipment it goes to pay the people that do the shows and beautiful offices

CHAPTER 18 / 23 Discussion

Squirrel Karma, Tire Blowout Anecdote, Botox Bailout

John C. Dvorak shares a story about his wife hitting a squirrel, which resulted in a tire blowout and a ruined day, leading him to swear off "squirrel stories" due to bad karma. The segment shifts to a "Botox bailout" program in the U.S. where unemployed individuals receive free cosmetic procedures to improve their job interview prospects.

squirrels· karma· tire blowout· botox· dr shapiro· job hunting

51:05 Yeah, they get the office. We don't have that we're not gonna be put into it dude We're using a freaking towel paper towel roll for mic stands I mean do I have to make it any more clear what's happening here? please The bar dot org slash na give us a hand will you excellent what else you got on your list Johnny? I think we should do another 10-15 minutes when trying to keep these shows moving Well, I gotta go back to the list once you pull yours up. I'll leave that one alone Let me see. I think i got most of the good stuff there may be a moment to go to my backup list Okay, let me tell you this story okay so last time we did the show We did a bunch of squirrels material right yeah by the way? I left two or three of the squirrel stories out that was two shows ago Okay So here's the here is the interesting thing that happened after the squirrel stories which were all provided by my wife instantly I swear to God This is true

52:00 So the day after we did The Squirrel Show, she's driving my daughter to school and she's going down the road at high speeds and a squirrel – this is a true story – jumps onto the road. And starts to zigzag across in front of her back-and-forth left and right until the point where she can't really avoid the squirrel She drives she figures she can straddle the squirrel. Straddle the squirrel everybody and As she does, the squirrel makes a hard right turn in. Oh fool. She crushes the squirrel with her right front tire A mile later the tire blows up. No way! She goes off the side of the road, she's causing my daughter to miss half the day and it just becomes a fiasco. Wait wait...she actually drove off the road? What shit shit...the tire blew up. Oh okay oh but she didn't like skid off she just pulled over to the side yeah I don't know that she was in the spin or anything but anyway it ruined the day because it was like this fiasco to get a tire because it wasn't like a tire you could repair it actually blew

53:04 And it was just a... so we're not doing any more, I'm figuring there's some karma involved with squirrels that we're not doing anymore squirrel stories ever. Well you know exactly that just goes to show You never know when the evil squirrel will strike Job hunting in a recession is a tough assignment with almost 1 in 10 people out of work. In the US it takes more than a spruced up CV, a tidy haircut or smart new suit to stand out from the crowd these days but luckily doctors in the U.S., according to the fine British publication The Telegraph have found a new way to give the unemployed a leg-up with a so called Botox bailout

CHAPTER 19 / 23 Discussion

David Carradine Death, New York Post Headlines

The hosts discuss the death of actor David Carradine in Thailand. They criticize the New York Post for its "Hung-poo" headline and discuss the ongoing investigation into whether the death was a suicide or an accidental result of autoerotic asphyxiation.

david carradine· kung fu· thailand· new york post· headlines· autoerotic asphyxiation

53:48 Offering thousands of dollars worth of free Botox injections, liposuctions and other cosmetic procedures to ensure they look their very best and perhaps a little more youthful at interviews. Well, definitely would get your attention. So more than 1200 people have responded to Dr Shapiro's offer writing in to say they deserve the treatment and he selected 50... talk about a premium! He selected fifty individuals who will each receive up to $3,000 worth of cosmetic procedures And as you said it was hard not to cry while reading some other stories and even though that I'm not emotional man No kidding

54:38 By the way, when anybody sends us something to discuss on the show please put the words... excuse me. The words no agenda in subject line so it's easier and easy to find things we want bring them up later And then one last bit of total real news We lost a very very fine actor from my youth not many people remember him he was of course the Kung Fu dude David Carradine apparently suicided himself in a hotel room in Thailand by hanging. Yeah, it's questionable whether that was suicide. They're investigating into it. Duh! But when I was listening to one of the local talk show guys and he was aghast at the New York Post headline... Oh wait a minute what this New York Post well-known for

55:35 Headless body found in topless bar. Yes, right which by the way I had a copy of that you have that one It's famous. Yeah, it's great anyway and it was the headline Which is distasteful? Hung-poo oh my god those guys have no freaking shame do they hung-poo so Anyway, I was gonna gas myself although I ended up having to course because there's something funny about him I'm sure Kerrigan would approve. Yeah, there's all this talk of maybe it was a sex thing kind of like Michael Hutchence from In Excess where he is hanging himself for auto asphyxiation at orgasm which we really got to try that sometime. You've gotta keep the show going. It's on the list! Do it later So if you find me hanging one day... Okay? I didn't really do it myself

CHAPTER 20 / 23 Discussion

WHO Pandemic Alert, Swine Flu, Pharmaceutical Deals

The World Health Organization is reportedly considering raising the pandemic alert to level six for the swine flu. The hosts argue that the severity is exaggerated to fulfill pharmaceutical contracts for vaccines. Dvorak recalls his time as an air pollution inspector during the 1976 swine flu scare.

world health organization· swine flu· vaccine· pharmaceuticals· 1976 outbreak

56:32 World Health Organization's pandemic alert scale. Geneva says within days they might declare level six for the first time in their history. For what? Yeah, for the flu! Swine flu. Why don't they just pack it in and say they were wrong? They can't apparently. They just can't admit it and yes like these guys jobs depend on it oh crap you know we started this now we have to finish it. So yeah, so it's North America Australia and Chile 21940 cases 125 deaths dude that's less than normal flu. And that's the pandemic they can't give up because they've got to support all these deals with a pharmaceuticals for all of these stupid inoculations for the vaccine I mentioned this last week or last Thursday They want to do three shots a year now you're kidding me

57:30 No, it was like an article. Three shots a year they're going to advocate three flu shots... What do you mean three? You only need one during the flu season! Well the question is advocate or mandate that's the question In the US they have a lot of trouble getting a mandated flu shot because there's just not as that's just not gonna happen It's unconstitutional Especially after that that fiasco with the swine flu sometime I think it was back in the seventies where they had to oh, the swine flu is going to kill everybody. 76 I think it was and the shots killed more people than the flu did yeah 76 I believe John I was working in an enforcement agency at the time. Wait, wait! Which enforcement agency were you working at? Air Pollution Control District. Okay hello i'm agent Dvorak air pollution control enforcement agency. I was an air pollution inspector. Did you have ape on your jacket? Air pollution enforcement? That should've... Nowadays they would do that. Everybody's got to have their own jacket

CHAPTER 21 / 23 Discussion

John C. Dvorak's Travel List, Bernie Madoff Sentencing

Adam Curry reads a satirical "travel list" attributed to Dvorak that includes items like "shut down the meth lab." They then discuss the upcoming sentencing of Bernie Madoff, with Dvorak speculating that Madoff might be handed over to an international financial tribunal.

travel list· bernie madoff· international tribunal· sentencing· fraud

58:27 with an emblem and a nice little ID tag. Cool, alright let's do one more I'm sure you got something on your list to wrap this up. No you do, I don't have any. I think i'm toasted man. Live free or die hard that's the name of the movie Well, I do have the official and this is posted on the drop which is no agenda drop. There was a no agenda chat? Oh crap! I don't remember what it is. I think its noagendachat.com John C. Dvorak's travel list someone has actually published your travel list John would you like to hear it? It hasn't been published yet. Well now there's a published list ready my list are you ready

59:11 all okay here we go okay these items must not have checked off before uh... for going on a trip one wake up to scratch three-part four p and then take meds things to turn off wifi wife Shut down the meth lab things to put out trash wife bills Cigar things to walk wife neighbor kids Things to feed me and things to do make new list. Yes, yeah, okay cute That is cute there's a bunch of stuff I'm working on for Thursday at

59:50 regarding made off of course sentencing coming up in the next two weeks so that's right your theory is you're not gonna get sentences going to be put into an international tribunal i don't see that happened i have seen the international financial courts i believe uh... that is what they're gonna have to announce because they had no way to to know how well how can you sentence the guy if there was no trial you know they don't know exactly what it did where the money went So, keeping my eye on that there was something else I was working on. I have been working a lot for this show we shouldn't get paid for. Let's see...I haven't got too much. I think i'm forgetting something Check your list! I am looking at the list of just what my wife and the kids

CHAPTER 22 / 23 Discussion

German Gold Bullion, Oil Price Manipulation, Michael Greenberger

Reports indicate that Germany is demanding the return of physical gold bullion held in U.S. custodial accounts. The hosts discuss the disparity between paper gold and physical assets. They also touch on oil price manipulation, mentioning the "whisper number" of $75 and an upcoming interview with Michael Greenberger.

gold bullion· germany· oil prices· michael greenberger· market manipulation

1:00:38 and turn off the wifi and your wife. The Merck index is coming my way, I want to thank you for saying that. Oh really? Yeah Jackie was the one who resigned. She did resign that's right that was a spectacular what uh... and this is all the telegraph by the way they're the ones who blew that wide open and I give them props you know it's minor in the grand scheme of how evil governments can be but it really was very effective because this really Woke the public up, you know And and I was in the UK for about a day and just everyone was talking about it. And they're just like, you know They're really outraged so there's a story here gold panic inside The Oval Office and Apparently the Germans are demanding that gold bullion held in US custodial accounts be returned to their owners with physical gold being shipped back to Germany

1:01:34 So this of course has to do with the false price of gold which you can, when you buy gold on the open markets. You don't actually buy the gold by a computer entry in a spreadsheet that says okay here's some gold. That is not necessarily true. You bought gold and have real gold coins and bricks. Yeah but that is different from what you... When you go, when you call your broker and say buy gold he's not actually buying physical gold In 9 out of 10 cases, if you call Midas Resources Inc. Yeah! You're going to get the real gold but I think that's very interesting because this does kind of show that... I mean it is..you know have that $50 coin? That i carry around and this kinda shows you how skewed it is It's a US Mint 50 dollar gold coin and says right on there 1 point 0 Troy...I guess its Troy ounce

1:02:29 I guess. Yeah, of fine gold now if you go look at the markets what is that $800-$900 today? Somewhere in that region. About 900-850 something. Right but if you went to spend it and someone would accept it and you spent it in the store it would technically be worth 50 dollars so that kind of shows you the disparity And one other thing I wanted to mention I don't think I got to last week And it would have been better to say, you know last Thursday the whisper number in the oil industry is 75 bucks and of course we're well on our way to that right now. We are about 70 but that's the whisper number so that's the manipulation number you should be looking out for Well, you know Horowitz and I have always been following this oil BS since the get-go. And including having an interview with Michael Greenberger who was the guy who blew the lid off of overseas fake transactions that ran the gold... the oil price up before. Right.

1:03:22 Horowitz we're gonna actually have another interview with the guy shortly. I do interviews on the show that's cool I didn't know that no no Horowitz his show okay he has his own show and I come on it once in a while, and he does interviews and I don't think knows what's going? I don't think anybody No, you okay? I'm sorry. I thought the mic had closed but it didn't. Sorry. You sneezed! I know blowing my nose really hard and quickly so... Sorry we need a button but anyway so which cost money we don't have enough money no money remember paper towel mic stand So anyway, we're gonna have another discussion with him But I don't think he knows what's going on this. This is just some sort This is gonna no one's gonna figure this out before it goes and crashes back down to 40 bucks a barrel but yeah right now It said I don't know what you know that what? I mean, I would like to kind of You can't figure it out. You just have to watch it. I mean you you're not part of manipulated No weird the markets are not real doesn't feel real doesn't you know what?

CHAPTER 23 / 23 Discussion

Ozuma Restaurant, San Francisco Sign-off

The hosts conclude the episode by discussing their dinner plans at Ozuma in the SoMa district of San Francisco. They sign off from their respective locations in Nob Hill and Northern Silicon Valley, announcing the next show for Thursday.

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1:04:24 If it doesn't taste like it, doesn't feel like that doesn't smell like it. It probably isn't it? And is not So tonight we'll be eating at Ozuma in lovely downtown San Francisco That's Soma isn't not I don't know that that's technically Soma What below market south of market isn't it Yeah I guess Okay so will review that yeah I'm sure you've eaten there before Yeah This is Mickey's choice she's taking us out for dinner Yeah, okay. We'll step back for the enthusiasm. Have to fight traffic. Oh poor man has to fight traffic Which is a good thing. Unless we have traffic. Yeah luckily we've got some traffic

1:05:16 Coming to you from an undisclosed location in Nob Hill, San Francisco. Gitmo Nation West I'm Adam Curry. From Northern Silicon Valley East Bay Edition I am John C. Dvorak We'll talk again on Thursday right here on NO Agenda