NPR's new CEO, Katherine Maher, faces significant challenges as the network's weekly audience has dropped from 60 million to 42 million since 2020. The hosts discuss the resignation of editor Uri Berliner and the poor performance of the "NPR Plus" subscription service, which has only 51,000 subscribers. They suggest that NPR's reported audience numbers may be inflated and that the organization's pivot to podcasting has not offset traditional radio losses.




