David Brooks and Jonathan Capehart discuss the need for a mass movement of "elites" to use lawsuits, boycotts, and strikes against the administration. Capehart suggests that while the first Trump term was defined by "cruelty is the point," the second term is defined by "cruelty is the policy." The hosts mock the idea of a "Chardonnay-swilling" elite uprising and point out the irony of government-funded PBS hosting such discussions.

