Topic: Bulk Collection

DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson is grilled by Senator Rand Paul regarding the legality of bulk data collection without a warrant. Johnson declines to provide a legal judgment, claiming the question is beyond his competence, which the hosts characterize as a significant cop-out for a former Pentagon legal official.

UK Home Secretary Theresa May defends GCHQ's bulk data collection before Parliament, famously claiming that "the collection of bulk data is not mass surveillance." She uses the analogy of needing a "haystack" to find a "needle," a stance the hosts view as a beta test for similar policies in the United States.