Topic: Arbitron

Looking to the future, the hosts assert that their independent model protects them from the "attack mechanism" of advertisers. They compare their situation to Alex Jones, whom they view as a "canary in the coal mine" for government censorship of independent media. They express confidence that as long as they maintain their "crackpot" status and direct listener support, they will remain below the radar of major regulatory interference.

The hosts analyze the 10th Annual Podcast Awards and the involvement of Podcast One, led by Westwood One founder Norm Pattis. Curry argues that the podcast network model is fundamentally flawed, citing his own experience with Podshow as evidence that centralized networks struggle with measurement and creator relations. They discuss the lack of a central authority like Nielsen or Arbitron in the podcasting space and the difficulties of scaling advertising across diverse shows.