Topic: Alex Van Der Zwaan

During a press conference with Baltic leaders, President Trump asserted that "nobody has been tougher on Russia" while emphasizing the benefits of a good relationship with Vladimir Putin. Dutch lawyer Alex Van Der Zwaan was sentenced to 30 days in prison for lying to the Mueller team. The hosts discuss the "shame culture" prevalent in modern political discourse, comparing it to "Game of Thrones."

Attorney Alex Van Der Zwaan entered a guilty plea in federal court for lying to FBI investigators regarding his contacts with former Trump campaign official Rick Gates. The plea is part of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's broader probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Van Der Zwaan is a Dutch national whose legal troubles stem from false statements made during the special counsel's investigation.