Episode 929 · Sunday, 14 May 2017

Sologamy

A global ransomware outbreak collides with the dismissal of James Comey while the rise of self-marriage kits signals a new era of cultural individualism.

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About this episode

Portugal secured a historic victory at the 2017 Eurovision Song Contest in Kyiv as the global community grappled with the fallout of the WannaCry ransomware attack. The malware, which utilized tools allegedly stolen from the National Security Agency by the Shadow Brokers, crippled the UK National Health Service and hit Russia's Interior Ministry. This intersection of geopolitical theater and digital warfare highlights the fragility of international infrastructure and the dangers of government-developed cyberweapons leaking to criminal actors.

President Donald Trump signed a cybersecurity executive order mandating the NIST framework just as the dismissal of FBI Director James Comey triggered comparisons to the Watergate scandal. In the aftermath, media figures like Mika Brzezinski and Adam Schiff alleged a White House cover-up, while reports surfaced of Congressional interest in the 25th Amendment. Simultaneously, Attorney General Jeff Sessions issued a memo reinstating mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses, reversing Obama-era reforms. This shift occurs as the gray death synthetic opioid crisis escalates in Indiana and U.S. troops from the 82nd Airborne Division stage in Kuwait for a potential Afghanistan buildup.

Cultural shifts take center stage through the rise of sologamy and self-marriage kits, alongside the bizarre trend of rental families in Japan. The Social Security Administration confirms Emma and Noah as the top baby names of 2017, while a host laments the fragility of an iPad Mini screen after a minor drop. The episode concludes with a look at the SiriusXM Beatles channel and a knighting ceremony for Sir Ewan of Ramen Noodles.


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CHAPTER 01 / 44 Discussion

Eurovision Song Contest 2017, Portugal Victory and Geopolitics

Portugal won the 2017 Eurovision Song Contest held in Kyiv, Ukraine, with a non-traditional ballad that stood out from the typical pop entries. Analysis of the event suggests that while Google trending stats predicted a win for Bulgaria, the professional jury and televoting system favored the Portuguese entry. The competition remains a significant geopolitical display where voting patterns often reflect regional alliances between Scandinavian, Baltic, and Slavic nations.

eurovision song contest· portugal· bulgaria· salvador sobral· ukraine· voting blocks

00:00 Marry Yourself in Canada offers consulting and wedding photography. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. And Sunday May 14th 2017 this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation media assassination episode niner to niner! This is no agenda Watching 43 mediocre pop songs being performed so you don't have to and broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet in the capital, The Drone Star State. In the Cluedio! In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where i'm coming in loud and not so clear I'm John C Devorah It's Crackpot & Buzzkill You're okay...you're okay We strive for protection For perfection on this show

00:41 Protection. We want protection too, but we strive for protection. Yeah we do. We strive for protection. Okay let's start off with this stupid event that you like to watch Oh the Eurovision? They don't even show it on American TV It's so... You know.. It's on LogoTV LogoTV Yeah which I think is only streaming But they have American guest hosts and one of them is Ross Hollywood Today, your favorite show. Ross the gay guy that used to be on The Leno Show? Yeah that guy He's the guy they got? They did it last year too Little brother okay Everyone is trying to do a little bit of Sir Terry Wogan but he died a couple years ago in UK UK has only won I believe once or twice with some really sappy poppy song like Bucks Fizz

01:41 But because they would always lose, it became this whole thing. Before you go on and on I don't think we used the word Eurovision yet for listeners to know what the hell we're talking about. Eurovision Song Contest is a... How long has it been around now? Is it 40 years or something? You're asking me?! Do you want to report or do you just wanna be a dick? Cause I'm ready for ya. I'm ready for ya Mike boy! heard of this thing in my life until you told me about it about five years ago. Right, the Eurovision Song Contest which is not Europe alone it is members of the Eurovision consortium which started off as a satellite television project and I don't remember exactly when but uh...I can remember it as far back as that year I was 10

02:34 And so what's interesting about it is that it is not European because they have a lot of countries, Russia is not officially Europe. Ukraine where I was hosted as non-officially Europe Israel participates. And it is usually highly politically charged and they've changed this, the voting throughout the years where you could always tell Russia would either be pro and vote for Ukraine or not vote for Ukraine. The Scandinavian countries would vote for each other to the Dutch for the Belgians, the Belgians for the Dutch, the French for the Belgium... It would just go back and forth. So they created these panel of professional judges and then they combine that with a televote

03:13 And of course people cannot vote for their own country, but that's where you really see the favoritism pop up. So it is always interesting to see and we have called this correctly a couple of times in the past based upon geopolitical issues... This was a different year yes? 1956 is where it officially began, which is way back. Yeah before I was born and it's actually based on the existing Sararimo music festival held in Italy since 1951 Ah thank you well there you go But it really turned into a bring-the world together type of no borders No Nations type of thing yeah It's one world government yeah And what's cool about it or I don't know if we want to call say cool Is

04:00 I don't know when i was oh yeah. I think you nailed it! Yeah exactly there's nothing cool about it but, It's supposed to be about the song so it says the composer that's the writer and composer not about the artist but of course it's now become a place to showcase your country and because I really didn't put any effort into it this year knowing how you hate it I don't hate it. And then we got a comment from one of our producers who donated and said, hey you know I need to know any to look smart and of course I steered him completely wrong. I said well right now i think maybe France would be a good country to win just geopolitically speaking? No no you didn't know you predicted it straight up straight up in the last show

04:43 I said, I hadn't paid any attention to it. Let me just think quickly that's exactly what i said so I didn't-I didn't What are you trying to do? Don't be like this today Okay Okay? I'm irritated when you do that Good Go Here is the winner You can do the report next time I will And that's the winner. There you go, everybody fine That's the end of my report. That sounds pretty generic Yeah, it's the end of my report that is Portugal who won I'm not-I think this was... It's not generic in fact it was exact opposite Everybody had a poppy song like they always do and this was a completely different genre It stuck out way above everything and it just seems that they tried to get Bulgaria to win

05:37 In fact, there was a comic strip blogger who had been chasing all the Google trending stats and he said based upon what he's seeing from Google and the way that algorithms are reacting it looks like Bulgaria is going to win. They came in second they almost won So maybe that was supposed to happen, but man the French song was it wasn't actual song. It was completely different wasn't bubblegum II it was a French song Portuguese song and I think that's why one Bulgaria made a lot of sense in hindsight And I should have guessed Bulgaria or deduced Bulgaria, so I think for once music actually won

CHAPTER 02 / 44 Discussion

iPad Mini Screen Damage, Fragility of Modern Electronics

A host describes dropping an iPad Mini onto the metal base of a stool, resulting in a shattered screen despite the room being carpeted. The incident prompts a critique of modern electronic design, specifically the fragility of glass displays compared to the potential of flexible OLED technology. There is a suggestion that manufacturers maintain delicate designs to encourage frequent device replacements.

ipad mini· apple· oled· screen repair· planned obsolescence

06:18 Well, good. Yeah Now the reason I'm also irritated is because we spent half an hour trying to fix whatever's going on on your end You're a real dick to work with when it comes to that because you always yell at me and... I'm not yelling! I'm just- Yeah yeah I TELL YOU NOTHING! NOTHING CHANGED! And so I have this... You're exaggerating as usual. Sure, I am! So I have this beautiful iPad mini and the Cluedio has carpeting you know how when you drop a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or something to piece of toast? Oh now we're getting down to it. You dropped the sandwich face down Yeah right onto the base of my stool Cracked the screen What?! Yeah cracked the screen

06:58 Yeah, it fell right onto the base and they could have landed on the carpet. No! It landed right onto the base of the stool. You're talking about... this is why you're irked with me You broke what you talk about an iPad a little iPad? Ipad mini. Yeah, how delicate are these things it landed flat on its face not even on the corners flat on space with significant gravitational force Gravitational forces and ice I knew from a table yeah from table height in the standing table height I knew I knew at the minute It was there. I'd knew as this is a garner any table that's a little further to go. No. It's a goner to gone These things and you know, you think after all these years especially with something like OLEDs which can be actually bent and rolled up that they would make these displaces are not so damn delicate You can't have things that that you hold like that. You're gonna drop them this what's gonna it's what you do Well, that would be kind of look if we were running that company We'd say the same, you know people buy new ones whoo

CHAPTER 03 / 44 Discussion

Mother's Day Microaggressions, Social Justice Etiquette

A brief discussion addresses the modern social pressure to avoid microaggressions on Mother's Day, particularly regarding individuals who may be "motherless." The conversation satirizes the extension of pronoun culture and social justice warrior etiquette into traditional holiday greetings.

mother's day· microaggression· social justice· political correctness· pronouns

08:05 Yeah, people buy new ones. That's the real reason if you think about it and also today everybody in the world of political correctness and social justice warriors be very careful you do not commit a microaggression against the motherless on this day okay? No one thinks about that. Yes, you're right no one thinks about that. And yeah in today's world usually say Um, is your mother still with us? And you say yes or no. Well then happy Mother's Day! If not you know... You need to know it's like a pronoun thing I go by pronoun No Mom Everyone has the mother though that's the joke of it Yeah but you can't- It's hard to celebrate when your mom's dead Well....I think you can celebrate by- I mean I wish a Happy Mother's Day to my wife

CHAPTER 05 / 44 Discussion

Trump Cybersecurity Executive Order, NIST Framework

President Donald Trump signed an executive order aimed at hardening federal networks and critical infrastructure against cyberattacks from nation-state actors. The order mandates that agency heads follow the NIST Cybersecurity Framework and emphasizes reporting requirements to identify systemic risks. Critics argue that publishing security protocols may inadvertently provide a roadmap for adversaries.

donald trump· cybersecurity· executive order· nist· information technology

17:25 It didn't get a lot of play, but I read a lot of blogs. Most of the blogs are government-based technology blogs and what's going on with how they're handling information technology in government And we had a new executive order signed last week President Trump about an hour ago signed an executive order on cyber security And that executive order, among other things is going to keep his promise that he has made to the American people to keep America safe including in cyberspace. I'd like to do a few things – uh, I'll promise you that we distribute the executive order but if I could I'll preview the executive order for you, walk you through its three primary sections some of its wave tops and then take your questions. Uh, among other things at least as an observation from me I think the trend

18:12 is going in the wrong direction in cyberspace, and it's time to stop that trend and reverse it on behalf of the American people. What? If they stopped... This guy has a robot by the way just let him finish 10 more seconds. He sounds like Wally and The Beaver. He's a robot. It's time to stop that trend and reverse it on behalf of the American people. We've seen increasing attacks from allies adversaries primarily nation states but also non-nation state actors And sitting by and doing nothing is no longer an option. So President Trump's action today is a very heartening one. Very heartening one, okay. I looked through this executive order there's a call for a lot of reporting we have to figure out what's going on it does seem to cover all the bases although I'm not so...so all in on if the recommendation up front being following the NIST cybersecurity framework

19:03 You know, apparently the National Institute of Standards and Technology. Is that it? Standards and things... NIST. Yeah what does the T stand for technology yeah National Institute of Science and Technology. I thought was standards who knows we'll find out um And you know so they have a protocol that they've written up which already to me says if you're publishing how we're securing our networks don't you kind Show what we're doing. I don't know and if anybody thinks that you can harden everything this is about human beings the way you fight cyber Actors is by having smart dudes, and dudettes named Ben going in fighting him back but okay But but the coincidence of this

CHAPTER 06 / 44 Discussion

WannaCry Ransomware, NSA Shadow Brokers Leak

The WannaCry ransomware attack exploited vulnerabilities in Windows software using tools allegedly stolen from the National Security Agency (NSA) by a group known as the Shadow Brokers. The malware crippled the UK's National Health Service (NHS) and affected systems in over 70 countries, including Russia's Interior Ministry. The incident highlights the danger of government-developed cyberweapons being leaked and repurposed by criminals.

wannacry· ransomware· nsa· shadow brokers· microsoft· eternalblue

19:54 coming right at the moment where we have now, I have not really been able to find any factual evidence that this most recent malware, that is you know the ransomware that had been going around for a bit. Couldn't really find any proof that that is because of NSA or CIA tools that were stolen or leaked or anything but I did find the coincidence... Sorry? I was gonna say do have a clip from RT and that's the only claim they make Which is all NSA, NSA, NSA. Let's play that now then because that makes sense in the story which one is it here? This is a Maupin going on and on I think he sounds like an idiot in this particular report but... Yahoo! I can't find the clip. Maupin, Maupin, Maupin Yeah there doesn't- There's nothing that starts with an m That's because you know me

20:51 the attack tools targeting US software now threaten the lives of hospital patients. It seems he's referring to the fact that this technology that is being used, this malware software known as ransomware that encrypts data and then demands ransom in order to give the data back to the institution or individual being hacked it's known as ransomware and it was developed

21:32 by the US government. The NSA, the National Security Agency apparently developed this software with their own research and with their own investigations and financed projects and it was then leaked onto the internet by shadow brokers which... Shadow Brokers! Any explanation on that? I would have stopped the interview right there Where do I get a shadow? He doesn't go he doesn't go any deeper into it. So there's says they're a bunch of douchebags Leaked onto the internet by shadow brokers, which is a shady group that has been leaking NSA Oh, it's a shady group in the shadows their shady group hacking tools on to the end I think it is

22:14 No, I think so too. They're in the shadows! By Shadow Brokers which is a shady group that has been leaking NSA hacking tools onto the internet. I'm going to put that on my business card. Hi, I am Adam Curry, shadow broker So it seems this is also not the first time that ransomware has been used apparently ransomware has affected... Oh shit It's been used against hospitals and telecommunications companies in Europe In Russia, in various parts of Asia And even in Los Angeles, just over a year ago, a hospital in Los Angeles was targeted with a ransomware attack and paid over $17,000 dollars in ransom to get its encrypted information back. So apparently this is happening all over the world and this technology that was developed

23:01 by the US government agency said to protect the security of Americans. The National Security Agency developed this software and it's now being used by criminals around the world to demand ransom very, very interesting discovery and development And the New York Times, right off the bat, the lead hackers exploiting malicious software stolen from the National Security Agency executed damaging cyber attacks on Friday that hit dozens of countries worldwide forcing Britain's public health system to send patients away freezing computers at Russia's Interior Ministry and wreaking havoc on tens of thousands of computers elsewhere.

23:40 And I don't know if they, well of course they list Kaspersky as the guy. The Russians are the ones who say yes clearly this was NSA tool and technology Yes from a group called the Shadow Brokers Come on New York Times come on sad Well there's a couple things that I find distressing One is that ransomware, they make it sound like this just showed up. I mean this has been going on for years two or three years i've heard about ransomware. Yeah but it's fun to make it all scary again because we're all gonna die because hospital Now, the... and it took a while before they finally attacked the hospital which was I think at least two years or two ago. And I don't think that original ransomware was any NSA stuff. Maybe it's possible but I know there were some ransomware code in the cache of stuff pulled from the NSA maybe thats what they're doing? I think their point is trying to make but kind of lame making it Or actually they are doing good job. I have theory

24:42 Well, the point I think they're trying to make with the news media is that whatever we develop the problem is that good bad guys get a hold of this and then they can wreak havoc including spying tools. But it's lame. Well, again this is coincidentally in the same time frame as the president's executive order I'm just saying it's always a money bonanza we know what I mean you read that executive order its money all over the place and then we should be going in and pitching ideas We should And we could get some money I would hope but something else is going on with this particular wave

25:23 and it leads me to think about some other alternative options. There's a new player, a new shill in the game that used to be CrowdStrike of course these are the guys that examined the DCC's computer networks after the so-called Russian hack, DNCC. The so called Russian hacking they did not allow the FBI... Are these are these same servers that were never looked at by the FBI because the DNC never wanted anyone else to see them except these guys who make that stupid map? Well there is new guy with a new stupid map and they have an added twist which I'll get too in a moment

CHAPTER 07 / 44 Discussion

MalwareTech, Microsoft Patching and Cyber Maps

A security researcher known as MalwareTech gained prominence for discovering a "kill switch" for the WannaCry ransomware, though the focus remains on the lack of patches for legacy systems like Windows XP. Discussion centers on the visual representation of cyberattacks through interactive maps, specifically criticizing the "Norse Mode" animations as being more for show than actual data analysis.

malwaretech· marcus hutchins· microsoft· windows xp· norse mode

26:01 The company is Malware Tech and they are doing interviews. I think the CEO, he's doing Skype interviews and it looks like just from his office alone it just feels like a 12 man company kind of deal which could be a billion dollar company And here's an interview on CNN, listen carefully. Alright welcome back we're getting new information on the massive cyber attack that has hit users in nearly a hundred countries security experts say the hackers What is this nearly 100? No and let me look at the New York Times thing for a second That's kind of hyperbole Oh 74 countries according to The New York Times That's not almost 100 It is closer than 100 and 1000

26:48 a Can anyone do to protect their data? Listen up. Protect themselves from this virus, anything? Yeah so first and most important people should patch their systems if their computer was patched from an update that was released Shut up and listen don't be a douche listen this is important you'll be writing about this

27:26 Are you interested in a car on top of it? It sounds like he just got out of Ivy League school. The professor! Then say that instead of just making noise, because when you make noise I know you're not listening. Yeah go on then play it. Should patch their systems if their computer was patched from an update that was released by Microsoft in March then they would have been protected Oh Hold on a second If they had been patched in March They would have been protected. I follow these patches and stuff from Microsoft. I tweeted something about this, I said, ah, Microsoft's fault if things even work at all And then somebody sent me a tweet back saying that well no you had patched yourself in March

28:16 And I'm thinking this is nonsense. Malware can, if you can get into anything, if any of these systems can get into the operating system at all it could do this. It could create a malware ransomware situation. It seems to me... The patch may have blocked the one thing, sure. Alright so when you can take your head out of Silicon Valley for a second and just listen to the messaging this guy is sending you might understand. But there are also legacy systems that a lot of healthcare systems

28:53 Have to use and a patch was not released for those such as Windows XP This is this is what this is the messaging forget about the whole ransomware. They're paying being paid off by Microsoft Yes Exactly, and I wouldn't put it past Microsoft To say you guys are gonna release something yeah We're not gonna do a patch for XP for that we're just gonna do a patch for a windows 10 And then let's see if all the hospitals don't want to upgrade now That's what going on here. I really, you know the other thing is that I'm kind of doubting that the ransomware would be targeting these old XP systems Why not? If your Microsoft and you want to sell Windows 10 Well no if your Microsoft yes that's what you want to do Yeah! But i mean im thinking about a real cyber criminal

29:46 Yeah, a real cyber criminal who gets paid to make XP look like shit. Well no I'm talking about a real cyber criminal who's a cyber criminal not some shill paid by you know Microsoft or one of these operations A real cyber criminal is gonna go get real money from somewhere it's not going to fool around with this bullcrap. Yeah these are all minor criminals Now here's the great thing about this malware tech dot com they have a map They have a Cyber Map And you can find it at intel.malwaretech.com But they had- there's a little, there's a little button What is this button? I gotta read to tell you what this button says Hold on so I'm gonna bring up the map now Oh its called Norse Mode November Oscar Romeo Sierra Echo and when you- imma do it now When you turn on Norse mode

30:37 Then it gives you sound yes, we're seeing that do you have this map up any chance? I'm trying to get it up here. I'll Be right down that time code And won't work yeah network check. Yeah, I'm trying to get enough he said okay Here, I'll send this link to you This is really these guys are just taking it to a whole new level So it's very familiar map and give this to them looking at giving this to the war room I don't see the arrows going back and forth with me. No, but if you turn on Norse mode Which I'll do now. This is what you hear? Guys doing yeah of course that is that's exactly what it is these guys

31:26 So they've added enhancements with sound for the little blow up of the cyber attack. There's another one, John! Oh no! Oh no New York is getting hit! It's pew-pew It's ridiculous. Yeah, so this made me only think more that this is a scam This whole these guys this whole thing is a scam well they took it to the next level They did but they don't have they still don't have the animation They got I'm looking at the live map and it just shows these things these being doing things going off yeah But doesn't have the thing firing from left to right? I know this isn't well. This is not as good no, but it's a start I Love it. I just love it

CHAPTER 08 / 44 Discussion

James Comey Firing, Watergate Comparisons

The dismissal of FBI Director James Comey by President Trump has triggered widespread comparisons to the 1973 "Saturday Night Massacre" during the Watergate scandal. Former CIA official Philip Mudd and other analysts argue the firing represents a constitutional crisis, while the President's supporters view it as a legitimate exercise of executive authority.

james comey· fbi· donald trump· watergate· richard nixon· philip mudd

32:12 What kind of idiots do we have in Congress and around the world that buy into all this crap? Well, the same kind of idiots who continue to equate Trump's firing of Comey with Watergate. And I did not have a chance to watch the movie Dick sadly. I didn't get a chance to look at that because we know that the comparisons really are way off But Lester Holt of course had from NBC, had his...is it NBC? Yeah. Had his interview with the president and you know pretty much consistently everyone's talking about this being a cover-up like Watergate Democracy is dead In fact let's play this one to start off with just to give you a little flavor This of course is a CNN panel Philip Mudd

33:09 Who is a frequent guest these days. I wonder if Philip Mudd is related to Roger Mudd? No, he's a former CIA douche so I don't know if he's related or not Oh probably not And just listen how he categorizes this firing of Comey Believe me and I know this is going to sound facetious but I'm breathing a sigh of relief You can't take this seriously you could have taken it seriously from President Bush From President Obama From President Bush's father From President Clinton You can't take this seriously. It's you feel like you got to give the president United States a pacifier in a rattle and put him in the crib? You're threatening the FBI who is in the midst of an investigation of presidential aids, The FBI has been around since 1908, The President of the United States have been around for three-and-a-half months If you think your going intimidate the former FBI director And dozens of people in the workforce who are conducting this investigation What he talking about He's talking about

34:01 about Trump saying, his tweet said well I hope you weren't taped which everyone's reading this by saying oh you think he is taping everybody? I read it very differently. I read it to say hey I got wiretapped how about you maybe your wiretapped I didn't get it as a threat. It was immediately categorized as a threat and we'll finish this mud clip here. and the dozens of people in the workforce who are conducting this investigation with the Department of Justice, you got another thing coming. Nobody believes that President of United States from the day he came in and misrepresented how many people showed up at this stupid inauguration to the claims he made at the beginning about where the president of the United States his predecessor was born nobody believes this guy anymore which is why I look at the threat in a tweet and can't take it seriously. The man doesn't have any credibility

34:58 I have immense respect for you. We talk all the time, you can't call the inauguration stupid but here you are... No, no, the claims of how many people showed up that was ridiculous First of all we look a little bit like a 20th century banana republic at the moment this is outrageous The Banana Republic's part is listening to these guys. That mud guy, what kind of a person is this? How can the agency put up... Is this the new perspective of the CIA? I would think so yeah. He's being sent out! This is the guy

35:37 uh... this is outrageous. Outrageous! The second thing, this is not 1973 in 1973 the president could have assumed that he owned the tapes those are federal records thanks to Richard Nixon's court challenges not every moment on those tapes would be federal records but most of them they're federal record so he couldn't even destroy them and 1973 Richard Nixon actually before the subpoenas could've destroyed the tape I don't believe there are tapes, but if there are... This is not going to be a very long administration. Oh see this is all this Watergate comparison Now we have Jason Johnson who was-

CHAPTER 09 / 44 Discussion

25th Amendment, Congressional Impeachment Speculation

Reports suggest members of Congress are privately discussing the 25th Amendment as a mechanism to remove President Trump from office if he is deemed unable to discharge his duties. This amendment, ratified in 1967, allows the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet to initiate the removal process, a move historically associated with physical or mental incapacity.

25th amendment· impeachment· donald trump· lyndon johnson· constitutional law

36:16 This is why, you know my two buddies. My two left-wing buddies? Yeah your journalist buddies. The professor and Marianne. Okay this is interesting because I know there's been this sort of messaging going on but these two guys are now about to take bets that...this is the latest... Oh wait a minute! Are you gonna win money again?! It's just like taking candy from a baby. Nice! The upcoming bet appears to be that Trump will be impeached and out of office within the next 100 days. I'm serious, that is exactly what they're thinking and this is where they are getting it from

36:59 What did I have on? And are they still thinking Article 25. Yeah, yeah in fact article 25 was in one of the recent emails because I do have this was from The Independent members of US Congress are apparently holding private conversations about whether Donald Trump should be removed from office and this would be under article 25 and Here, the way it's explained in the article. The 25th Amendment added in 1967 allows a president to be removed if they are deemed to be unable to discharge the powers and duties of this office. That judgment can be made either by the vice-president and majority of the cabinet which would be the way to go

37:43 or by a separate body, such as a panel of medical experts appointed by Congress. I think the word medical experts is the key phrase here. Yeah because it didn't say doctors just said... But i think this is this 60's okay article 67 why was it put in there? Uh I mean I'm sorry uh 25 Why was it put in there in 1967? What happened, you would know. 1967 what happened? Thank you I don't know! Either Lyndon Johnson was probably perceived by many as being completely nuts which he was and he was the president and the Vietnam War is completely out of control

CHAPTER 10 / 44 Discussion

Media Rhetoric, Democracy and Clarion Calls

Media commentators like Jason Johnson have characterized the current political climate as the "death of democracy," using "clarion call" rhetoric to demand independent investigations into the Trump administration. The discussion analyzes the use of hyperbolic language in cable news and the framing of the Comey firing as a threat to the functioning of the republic.

jason johnson· cnn· democracy· hyperbole· national security

38:25 It was pre-Nixon, so it couldn't be about Nixon. And by the way if anybody could have been taken out using that Article 25 or whatever it would have been Nixon because he was crawling around and all these things you heard about and interesting okay I'm gonna continue with your thinking because I think is explaining a lot to me yeah well now we'll go to Jason Johnson of The Root Who appears on also on CNN and I like his words. I didn't know he was such an expert in everything Jason How do you say it? Like I said, this is this is how democracy dies and that's not hyperbole Okay Wow It's not hyperbole Yeah, it is exactly hyperbole Yes by definition Exactly because democracy is not a thing that can actually die literally die as in the life snuffed out of it That would be

39:21 figure of speech, but he's saying no. It is not hyperbole- it is! Thank you. It is the definition of hyperbole a thing like democracy doesn't actually literally die dick Jason how do you see Like I said, this is how democracy dies. And that's not hyperbole when you have a situation where issues of national security are sublimated in favor of the personal desires whims and loyalty pledges to the president of the United States that is no longer a functioning democracy This is a clarion call to every single member of Congress A phrase from The Shays, Clarion Call?

39:58 Yeah, what's that? What is the clarion first some sort of a person well to me I always Visualize it as someone with a big horn and they're honking it. It's from the Greek era or something clarions Like Paul Revere kind of United States that is no longer a functioning democracy. This is a clarion call to every single member of Congress to stand up and call for an independent investigation of this entire administration, above and beyond what happened with Russia. So it doesn't matter who the president picks— Everybody! It doesn't matter who he picks to replace him. This is a constitutional and a sovereignty crisis. Crisis? And I have to say this, Chris and Allison, I think this is really important at the end

40:41 Comey probably should have gotten fired anyway, but the timing of this is what makes it so problematic and the reason behind why the administration did it basically because he wouldn't give them a cheat sheet about his testimony last week. That's not how democracy is supposed to function It just seems, Chris—it seems really unlikely that James Comey would have a sit-down with President Trump and say you're not under investigation. What good investigator does that? That doesn't make any sense when it's an ongoing investigation. We know the president has had a tendency to lie. But even going back to Rosenstein—and I I pity him in a way in this situation. If your boss comes to you and says, look tell me how to do something right? It's his job to provide that information but it sort of like OJ, I'm not saying I did it but here is how would if he had to. This is great! Comparison unhinged yeah

41:28 And so, you know he didn't want to end up getting blamed for this ultimately because he still has to walk through the hallways of the FBI and maintain relations with career investigators. He wants to make sure that blood is not on his hands as a scandal spreads." What Jason Johnson is doing here is concocting before your very eyes an actual conspiracy theory I just have to call it what it is. Not quite as good though as Bob Schieffer, Bob Schi- who's that? Is Bob Schieffer from Fox? Is he Fox? No no no, he's uh... CBS? CBS, Bob Schieffer I think he, you know it's either NBC or CBS but when I see think CBS and thinking of John Dickerson. But Schaefer may have been there before him. Well of course Bob Schaefer is old enough to witness the Watergate scandal

CHAPTER 11 / 44 Discussion

Bob Schieffer, JFK Assassination and Conspiracy Memes

Veteran journalist Bob Schieffer compared the current political unrest to the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination, suggesting that a trial for Lee Harvey Oswald would have prevented modern conspiracy theories. This commentary is analyzed as part of a broader media effort to link current events to historical national traumas.

bob schieffer· lee harvey oswald· jfk assassination· watergate· cbs news

42:24 And just to let everybody know, even though very few people know what the scandal really was about anymore and there are elements that are being cherry-picked to compare it to this particular situation. It was so severe at the time that now every scandal has the word gate stuck on to the end. Exactly! I mean this is pretty sever stuff. Schieffer thinks... Severegate. Severegate yes unhinged gates there you go unhinged gates perfect Here's Schieffer. CBS News contributor Bob Schieffer covered the Nixon administration. That solves that question. Many others during his very stellar career, he is with us now from Washington. Bob first let's just say it's really good to see you in Washington and on the satellite this morning.

43:09 I'm glad to see that you can still walk and breathe. It looks like the walking dead! Ages of much? No, I don't think so. Good to see you in Washington and on the satellite this morning. Thank you very much Gail. Just hearing your voice... So Bob is this a fair comparison You know, there are many parallels to Watergate but I have to tell you. Uh...I think all the way back to the Kennedy assassination to draw parallels. I was there as you know. I have always felt that if Lee Harvey Oswald had been put on trial a lot of these conspiracy theories that are still circulating today would've been put at rest then

43:50 Wow, that's... you know I was listening to some right-wing talk radio and this has become a meme. Yeah well i think the reason The meme is oh well you know if Harvey Oswald was put to trial there would never exist in the history of mankind a conspiracy theory Exactly. I'm shooting holes in the conspiracy theory here Well, there's also as i looked into this a little bit There is a theory The conspiracy theory that has been around longer than I've been alive or been into conspiracy theories That the Nixon Watergate scandal got so blown out of proportion Or was somehow planned to fail Because they needed to cover up the assassination Of Kennedy

CHAPTER 12 / 44 Discussion

Morning Joe, Mika Brzezinski Cover-Up Claims

Mika Brzezinski of MSNBC's Morning Joe claimed that a "cover-up" is the definitive premise for all future reporting on the Trump administration regarding Russia. The segment highlights a potential teleprompter error during her broadcast and criticizes the media's shift from reporting facts to assuming guilt based on "extraordinary ineptitude" within the White House.

mika brzezinski· joe scarborough· msnbc· morning joe· russia investigation

44:44 And there's some circumstantial evidence in the Nixon tapes that he was referring to, oh man we can't have them opening up the whole Bay of Pigs thing again and you know I didn't get too deep into it because it doesn't really matter. But there is something to... Schieffer is on to something in a way but another hand, you know, unhinged clearly to even bring this up but if you want unhinged then you need to listen to Mika of course Mika over there at the Morning Joes with the MSNBC panel. I have to ask you something, yeah? I don't watch this show because it's on 2 in the morning till 6 in the morning or something It sounds so early and but I recorded it because I watched The Saturday Night Live takeoff Yeah, I know if you saw that of course I did last week So I watched and I went

45:38 This, this day because I haven't seen the show or having to watch the show for years. I'd watched it did the joke of it and I said this is nuts! Is this anything close to the real show? I recorded and watched a show... It was spot on! Mika's head movements at the way she leans back and the way she mouths words. Mika wasn't nailed I thought so too. In fact, I was stunned by how good that parody was. It was like so... and the guest looking over like you know and I saw that too? Yeah yeah exactly Well, here is Mika's little freak out. I personally think it's over! I don't think there is anything that can be done that can stop this at this point cacophony, this gushing of lies problems questions chaos That will stop this presidency in its tracks because they won't be able to get anything else done and tomorrow there will be something new And tomorrow there will be something new There was always more chaos on the horizon There's a cover up I think that was a prompter flub

46:39 Because when she said something new and she said it exactly the same way again, it's almost like there was on the next line and I rolled up And she just read it. And once in a while... It's not once in a while, a prompter will actually present the line twice. I think that what happened. I think you're dead on it. That was a prompter just reading from a prompter word by word whatever it says it says I'm a big jerk show read it and tomorrow there'll be something new there was always more chaos on the horizon There is cover up. Let me hear the doubling again sorry won't be able to get anything else done and tomorrow there will be... damn it, where did it go? somewhere here? problems questions chaos that will stop this presidency in its tracks because they won't be able to get anything else done and tomorrow there will be something new and tomorrow there'll be something new wow! as you're right I think either the prompter

47:34 doubled it or there was someone messed up. There was always more chaos on the horizon. There's a cover-up going on. There is a cover going on, say it again! And that has to be the premise of all our reporting... This is a news station There's a cover-up going on. They're just stating it as fact now, there is a cover up going on. They not only did that but they made the assertion right after he said that He says this has to be our focus The cover up Yes the cover up And from now on Why? Because you can make anything look like a cover up Oh Adam had shifty looking eyes Cover Up

48:18 Yeah, yeah. He sent an email a tweet to Brian Brushwood maybe he's leaving John cover-up I don't know. There is a cover up going on and that has to be the premise of all our reporting going forward It's also a lot more fun. I like the way she says it and then she repeats it word for word Well, she's reading his lines in The Prompter And that has to be the premise of all our reporting going forward. At this moment, we don't know what is being covered up. That is still a huge question how big it is who it goes to? Is it financial? Is it personal does involve the president himself or just as associates We don't know related so this administration in this campaign and Russia

49:02 Everything that they are doing gives the clear appearance of people who are trying to cover stuff up, lie about things and they are doing it with extraordinary ineptitude. I don't know if you're right that this will bring all thing crashing down but if it does, if we end up there then this will be the moment that caused the entire thing in the end to fall apart. So they're only interested in the cover-up because the cover-up is a much juicier story than what may or may not have happened because there's probably not that much that happened But the cover-up is a juicy story, you can posit about that forever. I have a little montage here... And hold on a second! There's another there's a little thing that is in there that kind of self contradicts what they're doing if it's a cover up and which they said and It's the most incompetent cover-up which they said Yeah how come they can't figure out what their covering up?

CHAPTER 13 / 44 Discussion

Constitutional Crisis, Treason Allegations

A montage of news coverage illustrates the media's use of terms like "grotesque abuse of power" and "dark day for democracy" following the Comey firing. Senator Kamala Harris and others have questioned the legality of the President's actions, with some activists and commentators escalating the rhetoric to include allegations of treason.

treason· constitutional crisis· kamala harris· media montage· trump university

50:00 Yeah, instantly. Because it's incompetent! Yes I have more examples of this later these guys are unhinged Unhinged gate? Here is a little compilation of the news networks over the past 24 hours President Trump decision to fire FBI director James Comey stunned Washington and sending shockwaves through the agency Tuesday night massacre! Let's play hardball It's a grotesque abuse of power by president of the United States. Again, disdain for the presidency this is bigger than Trump it's about America people are calling it a constitutional crisis we're in a full-blown constitutional crisis an absolutely bizarre statement for this bizarre president to make and Donald Trump in writing that sentence that he clearly couldn't hold back on is raising his own potential criminal liability

50:52 I don't care about the law, i'm the boss. It's understandable that people are comparing it to Watergate This is the kind of thing that goes on in non-democracies This is a terribly dangerous moment in American history Has there ever been anything that rose to this level other than The Saturday Night Massacre and the time you've been an observer of American politics? I can't think of it. I've heard some people call this a dark day for our democracy. This is no longer about Donald Trump. I could have come up with that, that's alliteration to the max! Dark day for democracy! It's about the presidency which is being diminished on a daily basis. The Capitol is filling with echoes of Watergate

51:31 And the question this morning is whether the centuries-old system of checks and balances will swing into action. Alright, what this results in is stuff like this on the face bag from someone I know a woman late 50's The... Camilla Harris breaking it down now on CNN. You are accused of a crime, you are under investigation, you happen to work in the same system now pursuing charges against you! You fire the cop who reports the crime, the DA on the case and the judge who oversees the proceedings. This does not happen?!

52:13 Every day in this country citizens are in the uncomfortable and unhappy position of being under the scrutiny of our legal system. Some of them also have power over that system, what does it say to every citizen if those in power can manipulate the system to control or avoid an undesirable personal outcome? But then again isn't that what Trump did in Texas and Florida to make cases go away for Trump University? Isn't that what he's always done manipulated the system and throw a tantrum bully and steamroll his way to the outcome he wants trampling vendors municipalities any person in his way using bankruptcy to diminish his exposure. Not only is there a giant red flag on this idiot's forehead, it's being ignored for reasons completely unfathomable to any sane person! There is no rational explanation! This is treason!" Treason? Treason yeah that's the new one. Well how'd you get from that wild argument to treason? It's treason I've heard this a number of times people calling this treason

53:10 How is it treason? It's not. What's treasonous, tell me what's treasonous. It's not treasonous! It's also not a constitutional crisis...it's also not the death of democracy....it's none of those things. None of those things please but that's not the point. The point is people are getting sick yeah I agree with that and we might as well go straight into this let's just give you Yeah, well treason. All right who else do you think would call it treason of all the smart people on television? Everybody! You know who would be up front and center telling the rest of the women in America it's treason I know this is like an obvious answer I'm supposed to get Janine Garofalo Close now! It's Joy Behar

CHAPTER 14 / 44 Discussion

Lavrov Oval Office Meeting, Press Access

President Trump's meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in the Oval Office drew criticism because the American press was barred while a Russian state photographer was permitted. Joy Behar and other media figures labeled the exclusion of U.S. journalists as "un-American," while the White House defended the meeting as standard diplomatic practice.

sergey lavrov· sergey kislyak· oval office· russian press· tass

54:00 In the New York Times there's a picture which we have to show you where Trump is basically in the Oval Office. Can we get that shot? We have it, I know we do. There he is! He's speaking to Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov and Ambassador Kislyak who is the guy who Michael Flynn got fired for talking to him about possibly talking about sanctions. And in the room, there's Trump talking to these Russians and guess who is...and the Russian press is there covering it? Guess who was missing from that room? The American press! They were barred from the room okay so

54:40 All I'm saying in this lengthy speech, which i hate to give is that this is treason to me. This is un-American, unpatriotic... Having the Russian foreign minister and the ambassador in the Oval Office as treasonous John don't you understand? This is a treason to me! This is an American unpatriotic Furious! This is the American press being left at a desk and it hurts my feelings, frankly. Hurts her feelings? Yeah because she's oppressed she's American press she feels that uh... Her feelings have been hurt because the Americans- There were actually two photographers that were allowed in one was Russian they never said who the other one was Ah interesting

CHAPTER 15 / 44 Discussion

Adam Schiff, Russian Spy Master and Android Security

Congressman Adam Schiff appeared on Bill Maher's program to discuss the security implications of Ambassador Kislyak's presence in the White House and the President's continued use of an Android phone. Schiff argued that the lack of a Democratic check on the executive branch necessitates a shift in Congressional power during the upcoming midterms.

adam schiff· bill maher· sergey kislyak· android· cybersecurity

55:24 I didn't know this. So it was a pool photographer, maybe? Yeah maybe! The Russian guy was on...I'll tell you his little background the Russian guy was on RT and he was responding to the fact that somebody said he came in there or plant a bug He says anyone is even discussing any of this sort of thing has never been into this Oval Office under these circumstances where they do everything but strip search you before you get to go in Well this did come up John But I have a multi-part short clip series From Bill Marshall And he had Adam Schiff on. The only reason why I watched is because he had Congressman Schiff on. Congressman Schiff, He's the ground zero guy! He will also be the fall guy we know this but he's a ground zero guy he is the head of the intelligence committee think it's intelligence committee... He's not the head, he's the second guy Is he ranking member? Yeah, he's the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee. I've always wanted to ask what the hell is the ranking member what does that mean you're the highest guy in the room

56:24 You're the- Which would be me. Hey, ranking member Kerry! It means he's the... and he has to probably pay more He is the highest seniority member of the opposition party Okay, we got it. Well he was on that's why I thought it was important to clip some things because and he was very calm Marr was unhinged of course but uh We understand why and Marr is recognizing what we've seen for months So you know I sometimes watch the other channels To see what they're saying because we do live in two different universes And when I see MSNBC or CNN It's a lot about what you were saying On Fox News The talking point is always

57:08 Let's just wrap this up, because after all this time there is no there-there. What do you say to the no there people? Is there a their-their? If there was no they're-there James Comey would still have a job So two birds with one stone Not only have we been seeing the split universe but the term there-there has just went out of control that just went off the rails. The use of it how many theirs were in their... there? Too many and it's a racist term because about Oakland California racial And now let's talk about the so-called threat. In a bizarre series of weeks, it seemed like this week was stranger than even the ones that came before because it did seem to me like he may have admitted to committing a crime He said that... almost said word for word that he fired Comey because the Russia thing in his opinion isn't real That seems like obstruction of justice He also has asked Did you ask Comey for his loyalty?

58:13 And he said, no I didn't but that's a great idea. Which also is illegal correct? It is staggering plainly what he did if you can believe him was at a minimum unethical improper etc whether it's illegal also depends on whether you think he's telling the truth Ironically, the most incriminating things are if you believe him. But of course when it comes to Russia you really can't believe what this president is saying and here he's compounding that by saying Director Comey better look out because I may have tapes so is it worse? If he's telling the truth now as said guilty of what he accused his predecessor of wiretapping people in the White House

58:56 Or is it worse that the president of the United States will just willy-nilly tell the American people things that are patently untrue? So, is not true what he just said. The President did not say I have tapes He didn't say that And this is what happens You concoct this thing and then you keep saying that and before you know it Then Russia attacked Georgia You can never get back from that Never get back from it You just mentioned how tough it is to bring, you know anything even clothes into the Oval Office. Not so according to Mr Schiff and Mr Marr How about having the Russians into the Oval Office? I mean Kislyov is their spy master in this country He's got that Android phone not the first one to say this The security people are saying he's still using the Android phone No Did you hear about this? No But apparently the security people

59:47 Those guys They're saying oh he has an Android phone, so this can be completely I guess the implication is it nice going? I want I might say Nice going for android. Huh yeah, it's a free plug well not a great plug How about you know shit? It's full of holes we know everyone can we can hack it You know, this is antiquated. Let's go over the logic of this again from a marketing perspective. The Russians are pretty smart about all this because they've hacked the elections or hacking us and doing everything they can to destroy our democracy and they're using Android phone those Russians are smart I think i'll get in android phone too because I'm smart. Okay, I see your point

1:00:39 But this is just clearly coming from an Apple head. Yeah, that's obvious you wouldn't expect him to be any different. They probably already, well they probably already own them. What am I talking about? Does it really matter that you... In the category of you can't make this up which is the category we live in now Right You do have photographs of Kislyak and Lavrov with the president not because our own press is allowed in but because the Russians take the pictures So why can't the Democrats make this sale? You're either with us or with the Russian's

1:01:23 Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah yeah made fun of that for decade Yeah, I made fun of it when George Bush said it. Not that but he said the same similar type of construction. Either with us or with the terrorists thats what is was. Now of course Schiff has a pitch we all know what the pitch is if you're an NOAA gender producer you know what the pitch is If there was ever time in our history where the argument there has to be a check on this executive We need to change the Congress so there's a democratic House or Senate or both because this president needs a restraint. That argument is now. Oh, you mean vote for you? Vote? Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, vote for more Democrats. More Democrats! I'm actually stunned and although i could be wrong maybe this does happen because I know the two pitches are the one you just outlined which is

CHAPTER 16 / 44 Discussion

FBI Resources, Global Investigation Scope

Adam Schiff noted that the House Intelligence Committee operates with a small staff and relies heavily on the FBI's global resources to conduct the Russia investigation. He emphasized that the FBI has thousands of agents worldwide, making their cooperation essential for a "mammoth undertaking" of this scale.

fbi· adam schiff· bill maher· intelligence committee· resources

1:02:18 Oh, this is because the Republicans have the House and Senate. Otherwise we wouldn't have this insane president one so both Democrat especially in them in the midterms and we can get the house back and maybe the senate both And that's one pitch The other pitches We need a special prosecutor Oh yeah, no this comes up of course. Of course this is uh... The last clip is pitch part two Um shift is of course I'm saying of course a lot damn it! I want to stop that Yeah I catching myself now I am not still not catching it until you just- Yeah I caught it Now its getting really bad now Deep breath Wait my iPhone's telling me to breathe My eyewatch Okay Uh He is the ranking member of the committee And he would know kind of what's going on

1:03:07 You'd think. So Bill Maher asks him for a little update. I'm already trying to get the image of him in a bathrobe out of my head. You know, I don't know honestly where the investigation will end up it's too early to say it's a mammoth undertaking because its global and reach involves a lot of witnesses who may or may not want to cooperate with us

1:03:57 We're working with a very small staff. One of the reasons why it's so important that we oversee the FBI investigation and not let that go or be impeded in any way, they have the scope, they have the resources, they have thousands of agents all across the globe there are things they can do and must do that we can't So part of our responsibility is doing our own investigation And we are trying Part of our obligation is to make sure the FBI does the job they need to See, a little twist on it though. He didn't necessarily call for the independent investigation but he did plant the seed of we don't have the resources We really can't do this

1:04:35 I always get irked when you bring up the fact that the FBI has the resource and they have hundreds of agents around the world. I thought the CIA was supposed to be doing that work? Yeah, but still FBI... They do! It's all naturally... Damn it. I keep saying it. Well, you're so aware of it now by the two hour mark. Yeah, I'll be able to fix this, I think We had the testimony of Sally Yates. Sally Yates was the attacking attorney general, the temporary acting attorney general during The Transition and as we discussed on the previous episode of this show you know...the reason why she left or was fired or whatever happened is because she didn't want to implement the travel ban

CHAPTER 17 / 44 Discussion

Sally Yates Testimony, Fulsome Word Usage

During her Senate testimony, former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates repeatedly used the word "fulsome" to describe her intended answers. This sparked a linguistic debate regarding the word's traditional meaning of "offensive to good taste" versus its modern, often misused sense of "abundant" or "comprehensive."

sally yates· fulsome· brian garner· linguistics· department of justice

1:05:32 And this had nothing to do with Russia, had nothing to do with Comey. Although now in testimony she said... So I wanted to go back and hear what she said and not many people picked up on this a few Words matter, phrase from the Shays that kind of stuff. Listen to her part of our opening statement here in their testimony as the intelligence community assessed in its January 2017 report Russia will continue to develop capabilities to use against the United States And we need to be ready to meet those threats. I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to take part in today's discussion Now, I want to note that in my answers today, I intend to be as fulsome and comprehensive as possible while respecting my legal and ethical boundaries So this is a new word that popped in all of sudden? And I'm seeing it in other places and there are some disputes about what the meaning is for the word FULSOME

1:06:35 I had not heard this before and i'm always paying attention to words. I've witnessed my trying to stop the use of course, her testimony is it is essential that ongoing investigations are fulsome and free of political interference until their completion what do you understand the word fulsome? Well this was what you call being blindsided Never noticed this. I didn't hear it when she said it, I heard it but I didn't think about it and...I'm completely befuddled by this especially if there's something to it." Well there were some tweet wars going on between Brian Garner who is the editor of Garner's Modern English Usage who responded to the use of this word onto on the tweeters with oh dear

1:07:22 Unless, unless she's referring to the potential prison sentence in Folsom Prison. The Folsom Prison blues is what came up in my mind! Same thing according to the editor of Garner's Modern English Usage he says the word false fulsome should only be used in its traditional disparaging sense meaning excessively lavish or offensive to good taste Thus, fulsome praise should be understood as praise that is insincerely flattering rather than simply abundant. Well let's go with now I have to hear it in context again from her okay yeah I mean I could be off base on this but uh i'm looking at the definition now okay here we

1:08:08 And we need to be ready to meet those threats. I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to take part in today's discussion now, I want to note that in my answers today, I intend to be as fulsome and comprehensive as possible while respecting my legal and ethical boundaries. Okay? So what she says Folsom, I'm just reading it. It's an adjective? Okay well she is using it as a noun. You can also use it as a noun yeah Well okay let us read Folsom the adjective Offensive to good taste Tactless so she going to be tactless Overzealous She gonna be over zealous To the point until she gets ethical boundaries Which now in context this does make sense Because she qualifies by saying Until ethical boundaries are met

1:09:00 So in other words, she's going to be overzealous and excessive until she reaches the boundaries where it's gonna be borderline illegal what she is saying. Concocting insincerity marked by fullness of abundance copious, the fulsome thanks for their war-torn nations lifted our weary spirits fully developed mature but that just may be what she is trying maybe this is it her folsom timber resonated throughout the hall another was it was mature Common usage tends to be toward the negative connotation, and using fulsome in the sense of abundant copious or mature may lead to confusion without contextual prompts synonyms gross profuse effusive unctuous

1:09:48 Mr. Garner calls the loose usage of fulsome has been on the increase in recent decades It is in fact something of a revival of the words original meaning When Folsom first entered the language in the 13th century it meant copious plentiful etymologically linked to the word full but that positive meaning underwent a peculiar historical transformation But this I love this shit by around 1500 folsome could mean Corpulent, obnoxious or tedious. A century later it continued its downward descent into sickening or excessively effusive and there things stood until the meaning started moving back to neutral or positive senses in the 20th century no doubt influenced by the resemblance of fulsome to full. Linguists call a positive-to-negative semantic shift pejoration

1:10:42 Pejorative is the base word, so it'd be pejorative whatever. It says P-E-J-O-R-A-T-I-O-N, pejoration, pejoratin', it's a shit word and the reverse process is called melioration. While many words have undergone such radical shifts such as nice used to mean stupid or timid for instance fulsome is remarkable for its full pendulum swing from positive to negative and back again Secretary Tillerson described in a recent phone call between Mr. Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin as very fulsome well it's way it's a great word to use because it can mean anything and it can mean whatever you want useless words what you're saying well it's being used and I did not heard it in testimony before and you have to question them what they really meant with that what Sally Yates yeah it says of its vague very big anyway it matters not because

1:11:43 because the CBS crew was very fulsome about the ice cream gate. Time Magazine staffers had dinner with the president at The White House this week and reveals what they learned in a cover story called Donald Trump after hours, the president gave them a tour highlighting a big new TV setup in the dining room here of The Oval Office He calls Tevo one of the greatest inventions of all time. Tevo is good! He uses it to watch a variety of news coverage now at the dinner, Time says waiters brought the president a diet coke while the others got water and only the president was served an extra dish of sauce with the chicken And during dessert, the president received two scoops of ice cream Everybody else just got one scoop of ice cream Well, it says to me that he likes ice cream

CHAPTER 18 / 44 Discussion

Ice Cream Gate, Time Magazine White House Dinner

A Time magazine profile of President Trump's dinner habits revealed that he was served two scoops of vanilla ice cream while his guests received only one. The media coverage of this detail is criticized as a form of "fat shaming" and an example of trivial reporting during a period of significant political news.

time magazine· ice cream· donald trump· white house· fat shaming

1:10:42 Pejorative is the base word, so it'd be pejorative whatever. It says P-E-J-O-R-A-T-I-O-N, pejoration, pejoratin', it's a shit word and the reverse process is called melioration. While many words have undergone such radical shifts such as nice used to mean stupid or timid for instance fulsome is remarkable for its full pendulum swing from positive to negative and back again Secretary Tillerson described in a recent phone call between Mr. Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin as very fulsome well it's way it's a great word to use because it can mean anything and it can mean whatever you want useless words what you're saying well it's being used and I did not heard it in testimony before and you have to question them what they really meant with that what Sally Yates yeah it says of its vague very big anyway it matters not because

1:11:43 because the CBS crew was very fulsome about the ice cream gate. Time Magazine staffers had dinner with the president at The White House this week and reveals what they learned in a cover story called Donald Trump after hours, the president gave them a tour highlighting a big new TV setup in the dining room here of The Oval Office He calls Tevo one of the greatest inventions of all time. Tevo is good! He uses it to watch a variety of news coverage now at the dinner, Time says waiters brought the president a diet coke while the others got water and only the president was served an extra dish of sauce with the chicken And during dessert, the president received two scoops of ice cream Everybody else just got one scoop of ice cream Well, it says to me that he likes ice cream

1:12:28 And he's a big guy. I would bet if you're there at the White House and you would say, could i have an extra scoop of ice cream? You would get it. Don't you think? That's the question. The question is how much he's eating more than other people. Ah! There it is! Ha ha! Fat! He's fat! Woohoo! Fat shaming as predicted. Yeah, fat shaming. Ahaha! Fat! Big man! Meh...fat Yeah, let's do some Chris Christie jokes while we're here. Damn it they should have done that and would have been perfect but with that I do want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C where the c stands for Corpulent Dvorak! In the morning to you Mr Adam Corpulent Curry. In the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground beneath the air submarine and all the names out there Yes in the morning to everybody in the war room doing a good job today noagendastream.com We do it every Thursday and Sunday live

CHAPTER 19 / 44 Discussion

No Agenda Executive Producers, Custom Furniture Story

The show acknowledges top donors, including Grand Duke Dwayne Melanson and Scott Moore. Moore shared a personal story of building a custom furniture company from a 400-square-foot garage while listening to the podcast, eventually growing it into a high-end manufacturing facility.

dwayne melanson· scott moore· custom furniture· donation· podcasting

1:13:20 all of our artists, of course. But in particular I would like to highlight the artist for episode 9 or 2 8 which was titled Watergate II Melvin Gibstein bought us the artwork for that and nothing do with Watergate II which is the way we like it It was a piece of art of the Gay Pride Parade with big lettering and not a spectacle Which is which is correct. It's not a spectacle, it's not to be photographed as a spectacle. Made us both laugh. Chuckle for sure! We appreciate that. Artgenerator.com is where you can always drop off any ideas you got art-wise please don't plagiarize you can satirize just make sure your hydrofized Okay well I kind of did something...I made a little error here with my spreadsheet Do we need to kick this off here?

1:14:13 Well, I'm just gonna try to correct the problem real quick. What I did was I blew it up a little bit so that I can read it without moving my face too far from the microphone and uh... I ended up... let's see if I can just drop it down here Stay woke, karma for nights Yeah, yeah I think it's good From the- okay Alright, nope! I take it back Oh, okay. Grand Duke from the Pacific Northwest Dwayne Melanson is our top donor today from Tigard, Oregon 929 and he says ITM gents from the grand duke of the Pacific Northwest great work in spite of unwoke support in the past few weeks

1:15:05 I need to verify but i think this gets me to an unabeyance status. This is a long story we're working on, I'll be in London this week hit me with a Sharpton of your choice and a millennial stay woke karma for all nights." Now I want to thank the Grand Duke naturally and he will be...we haven't had one of these in a long time it'll be the episode special member of the 9 or 2 Niner Club in addition to the executive position. Very difficult! And so does this mean that he, that there needs to be a title above Grand Duke since he has achieved another quest? He is unlocked yet another quest? No no not at all oh what it was is we put him in abeyance because he was actually looked at the wrong code for becoming the grand duke so he was actually under

1:15:55 Oh, okay. So now he's officially official? Oh we got to say We have a big ceremony Well, we already gave him the ceremonies you kind of You know the idea was to get him just He's a grand duke. We don't need to grant re grand Duke him Okay I had forgotten we Grand Duke too Yeah yeah well i'm gonna kiss him there you go But resist! We must and will much about that Be committed. My millennials, stay woke! You've got karma.

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1:19:04 I have an amazing plane, unbelievable crew and a lot of thrust. I very well may run out of runway before i can get this beauty off the ground and navigate the ebb and flow of the luxury market." If you go to his website, he's got a lot of very cool custom stuff. I am headed to New York City next week to deliver a product we have been working on that could turn into a lot of lift for our place so I'm asking for some jobs karma as a kicker to that sanity you provided me twice a week. Keep up the great work and John is absolutely dead wrong about the mother in apple cider vinegar which we've been going back and forth with now- Yeah but you're not wrong and we're not gonna talk about it here

1:19:46 We don't need to. No. Uh, he does like to have a Seedman montage before the uh karma. Oh I didn't- garden job karma. Crap i didn't realize you needed that. Okay just a...a montage? Okay montage it is. I DON'T LIKE THEM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FREAKIN' FROGS GAY! I know what the hell that is but I gotta listen now. I just pulled it from the archives I will it's gonna be a funny one at the end of the show

CHAPTER 20 / 44 Discussion

George Soros, Nazi Occupation Interview Clip

A recurring clip of George Soros from a 60 Minutes interview is played, where he describes the year of the German occupation of Hungary as the "happiest time" of his life. The segment highlights his role as a 14-year-old accompanying his protector in the confiscation of property from fellow Jews, which Soros characterized as an exhilarating experience.

george soros· nazi occupation· hungary· 60 minutes· wealth confiscation

1:20:48 All right, onward. Dane Holst, Diane Holst in Eldridge Iowa 333-33 she sent a card cute little card he says dear John and Adam in the card it's got a big cow on the front I'm sorry it's been so long since my last donation I wish I had a good excuse Diane thank you give her some karma You've got Karma Those are our three executive producers. We have one associate executive producer, Ryan Calderon to through $227 and he writes to us donation at 227 via PayPal for my smoking hot wife Ashley

1:21:35 In celebration for her very first Mother's Day, I'd like to ask for some karma for our newest human resource. Our son was born the 29th of April and he is currently in the NICU awaiting clearance to come home. I expect Sunday Show to have a very long donation segment Not really, but if there's time I'd like to request these it was the last show But this one no that is very short actually now. We would like to request a Soros interview clip He played where he reflects fondly on his time of being of helping confiscate people's belonging and belongings and sending them on the trains To death as the happiest time of his life It's what our favorite Soros clips yes

1:22:22 And some karma as well? Yeah, I'll do some karma. It was actually probably the happiest year of my life that year of German occupation for me it was a very positive experience it's a strange thing because you see incredible suffering around you and in fact you are in considerable danger yourself But you're 14 years old and you don't believe that it can actually touch you. You have a belief in yourself, your belief in your father... It's a very happy-making exhilarating experience. You've got karma How is he not a war criminal? I wonder! Too bad the Weisenthals are still alive at Ascom

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CHAPTER 21 / 44 Discussion

Stephen Mader, West Virginia Non-Shooting Cop

Officer Stephen Mader was fired from the Weirton Police Department in West Virginia after he refused to shoot a suicidal black man, R.J. Williams, who was holding an unloaded gun. Mader, a Marine veteran, determined Williams was not a threat, but a fellow officer arrived and killed Williams. Mader is now suing the department for wrongful termination, a story largely ignored by mainstream U.S. media.

stephen mader· west virginia· police shooting· wrongful termination· r.j. williams

1:24:22 Now there's a lot of, I think every show I've been doing this is the story that you'll find someplace but it's not on the mainstream media at all. And I have not heard this story anywhere on CBS, ABC NBC even PBS. But here it is on RT and it's a real good story. It's actually kind of an uplifting story in a funny kind of odd way except for the poor guy got shot down another black guy got shot but what? situation. This is the West Virginia non-shooting cop and you had to listen to this, it's unbelievable the story. A former US police officer who was sacked after refusing to shoot an armed suspect is now suing his former employer Stephen Mader from West Virginia says his old department wanted to quote destroy his reputation here's how he describes the incident that led to his dismissal

1:25:15 I see a black man standing outside of his car and I tell him, well we got to call it about a domestic guy here. You want to tell me what's going on? He says no man, there is nothing going on you can leave as I'm running the trunk of this car. I see he has hands behind back so I asked him show me your hands and he backed away from me and said nah man i cant do that And I see a silver pistol in right hand So I draw my weapon I told him to drop the gun, he said no man i don't want to do that just shoot me. In my mind im thinking

1:25:51 Why is this happening this way? And then once he says, you know just shoot me. It's kind of like a click in your head like He was being suicidal it was a matter of seconds between Me initially contacting, you know coming into contact with him to when the other officers had arrived The other two officers get out of their vehicles and weapons are drawn and they're yelling put down the gun Put down the gun and then within seconds As he's waving the weapon One officer ended up firing four shots and the last one hit the man in the head. Someone calls the police at their worst time, you don't want to go in there giving them a mindset that the police aren't here to help You want to give them the mindset that they're there to solve your problem and help you in any way you need While Maeder was reluctant to shoot one of his colleagues did ultimately killing the 23 year old male suspect Later it emerged the mans gun was not loaded

1:26:44 After that incident, the local police department filed a case against Maders for failing to act and for placing others in danger. The department said Maders was fired for not meeting its standards and struggling to think clearly during a critical incident. Maders had previously served in the Marine Corps for four years including time in Afghanistan We spoke with one of the attorneys in the case Anybody who looks at the facts of this case, anybody who considers what public policy in the state of West Virginia and across the country should be is going to look at this and say there's absolutely no way that the public policy of the state of West Virginia can be that a police force can fire an officer for not killing. What message does it send to police officers across the country? I think the message is

1:27:30 Shoot to kill if you have any opportunity to do so. But what's amazing in this situation is Officer Mader had made a reasonable and an objectively correct determination that R.J. Williams was not a threat to anybody else, once a police officer makes that determination under the United States Constitution they're not allowed to shoot a target when the Weirton Police Department fired him for not shooting and killing RJ Williams The Weirton Police Department essentially fired Officer Mader for honoring RJ William's constitutional right not to be shot

1:28:07 Wow, I had not heard about this at all. And RT needs to really stop with the hokey music. That's bad for him, 100%. Here is the thing about this story and of course it goes on a little bit longer and points out that this would be the first guy cop fired for not killing didn't kill somebody so he gets fired. This is a story that violates the narrative of the mainstream media. Oh, that's why of course we're not going to talk about it Nobody meant it's a great story if you're the story editor at one of these news operations You'd want to do this or it's a good story But no they don't do the story at all because it's not within whatever. It is They're trying to sell American public right? It's a shame and it's a crime. It's ridiculous Yes, did you have an opportunity to watch Adam Curtis documentary we were talking about yet not yet I

1:29:04 Okay, well I may have actually seen that. You might you might have but oh man it's just...I know a lot of people watch this is so good so good yeah that's a great story and a very good find and it really shows how media works it's not interesting to them And that's not because it's not interesting from a financial perspective, because I'm sure the people would watch that story. I think it might be interesting but to me it violates their narrative. No we can't do this right now... That's my point! It's in violation of their narrative so even though it's a juicy news story they're not picking it up because it doesn't fit with well you call it a narrative how about their orders? At this point you got to think it's almost orders and yeah we're not going to do that

CHAPTER 22 / 44 Discussion

Afghanistan Troop Buildup, Kuwait Staging

Intelligence reports from producers indicate a significant buildup of U.S. troops in Kuwait, including elements of the 82nd Airborne Division, staged for deployment into Afghanistan. Despite the scale of the movement, the hosts note a lack of mainstream media coverage regarding a potential major escalation in the Afghan conflict.

afghanistan· kuwait· 82nd airborne· troop movement· military intelligence

1:29:54 Now, I have been saying based on intelligence reports we have a number of military intelligence producers amongst us that there is a huge buildup of troops building up you know getting positioned at the normal places such as Kuwait City and one of my contacts reached out to me again he said i've never seen this He says it's incredible, the 82nd everything is pulling out and getting ready. And the target is AFG so that's Afghanistan we're going to do something big in Afghanistan and I'm surprised that this is not being mentioned or at least I am not seeing it in headlines

CHAPTER 23 / 44 Discussion

Gray Death Drug, Synthetic Opioid Crisis

A dangerous new drug cocktail known as "gray death" has appeared in Indiana, combining heroin, fentanyl, and carfentanil. The substance is so potent that it can be absorbed through the skin or inhaled, posing a lethal risk to first responders. This synthetic opioid crisis is contrasted with traditional heroin production.

gray death· fentanyl· carfentanil· indiana· heroin

1:30:34 I mean, this is something big is going down. And this is just you know there's not like some spy that I know it's like oh look I see open now everyone seeing this in these countries and journalists must be seeing this there are journalists who are embedded This must be seen And based on our previous conversation about CIA and potential drug running, what their problems may be this report became interesting from the Hoosier State. Dangerous new drug is so powerful it can kill people who are simply too close to it Now so-called gray death has arrived in Indiana. It is a mix of heroin, fentanyl carfentanil and other synthetic opioids Officials say it doesn't just kill users its dangerous for first responders arriving at scenes contaminated by the drug

1:31:23 The drug can be absorbed through the skin or accidentally inhaled through the air. First responders are urged to wear gloves and masks, to cover as much skin as possible and try not touch any potential drug materials or paraphernalia at this scene." I don't know much about the drug business... well..I know some from one particular aspect but maybe we need to go get another harvest because people are going start dying with this synthetic crap We need the real deal now Well, I did a little work on this story based on the PBS rundown of what Sessions did which i think was

1:32:01 Yeah, the war on crime bit. The war on crime bit? This is... we can do the war on crime but then I can discuss fentanyl which is what they're talking about because I did a little research and didn't think much about it before It's been around forever Fentanyl What's this car fentanyl that's not something new Its part of its one of them They are all variants of this fen You like this you like the chemistry stuff don't ya? yeah I do This, and I never really bothered looking into it because I remember it was like...I remember 10 years ago when there were people moaning and groaning about spam before good filters started showing up. And there were these people saying fen-fen, fen-fen get some fen-fen you know this was being sold over the internet by mail. Oh! I remember that yeah fen-fen sure. Fen-fen and this was over just a decade ago this is before we started doing our show this stuff was floating around yes

CHAPTER 24 / 44 Discussion

Jeff Sessions, War on Crime and Mandatory Minimums

Attorney General Jeff Sessions issued a memo directing federal prosecutors to seek the toughest possible charges and mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses. This policy reverses Obama-era reforms intended to reduce the federal prison population. Critics point to the profit motives of private prisons and the reliance on inmate labor as underlying drivers for these harsher sentencing guidelines.

jeff sessions· mandatory minimums· department of justice· drug sentencing· prison labor

1:32:57 And there's a very good article in the wiki page on fentanyl, which you can read. But let's start listening to this real... I have a real problem with this particular report that was on PBS and so much so that I divided it up into six short segments. And we can start with this PBS tough on crime part one. I'm sorry, between each segment I will bitch about something. Oh very good! President Trump has long put law and order at the top... I love it when you do this, I want to point out that you come with a multi-parter and how coincidental but I had no idea that you had this

1:33:35 I'm just coming up with this stuff. I love us President Trump has long put law and order at the top of his White House agenda But today's move to seek tougher prison sentencing policies marks the biggest effort yet to dismantle His predecessors criminal justice reform legacy Hari Sreenivasan has this story I have empowered our prosecutors to charge and pursue the most serious offense, as I believe the law requires. A serious readily provable offense it means that we're going to meet our responsibility to enforce the law with judgment and fairness With that US Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordered federal prosecutors across the country To revive some of the toughest practices of the decades-old war

1:34:21 on drugs. I trust our prosecutors in the field to make good judgments. They deserve to be unhandcuffed and not micromanaged from Washington If you are a drug trafficker, we will not look the other way We will not be wilfully blind to your misconduct This memo reverses Obama administration policies that aim to lessen the federal prison population by not charging low-level nonviolent drug offenders with long mandatory minimum sentences So they're going to, I mean this report is weird because it has Sessions saying that you want to unhandcuff people and in other words unhandcuff the prosecutors. Yeah And give them more leeway to do maximum sentences promote maximum sentences more

1:35:12 And then the PBS guy kind of backs it off to make it sound as if they're going after everybody. And, of course—by the way in this entire report which goes on for quite a while—they never talk about legalization issues and things that could maybe improve things or maybe marijuana more... A lot of these guys get off these hard drugs by you know going to soft drugs like marijuana so like a gateway to something lesser This is totally undiscussed. Let's go to part two. Well, before you do that can I just give you two things that I've noticed in relation to this topic? One is Sessions little spiel, spiel here really set off the pro-weed people. I mean the den man is you know it's like holy crap. Yeah they should be and who else? Oh Scott Adams said hey he likes the holy herb. Scott Adams said if Trump all of a sudden decides...you know the Trump administration decides

1:36:08 We're going to go after weed and people smoking weed and all this. I will flip so fast, that I will do anything to take them down." And then I think that would also be very angry about that. The second thing is...I had a conversation over the weekend with one of the millennials in my life we were talking about the third wave of feminism which we can talk about later if you want And one of the things that came up with the social justice warriors is the need to educate people. This is what a third wave is about, they need to educate people and the top thing really of educating particularly white men is how black men have gotten a raw deal on drug sentencing and so that is playing right now this also cannot be a coincidence

1:36:57 She just walk away. Sorry, I do that sometimes too I'm listening, there was something on the other machine that relates to this and they have to get the web address and put it over here. Part two let's go. By the way this whole thing is about minorities." In 2013 then Attorney General Eric Holder told prosecutors to leave drug quantities out of charging documents to cut down on unduly harsh sentences that did not quote promote public safety deterrence and rehabilitation These directives coincided with U.S. Sentencing Commission changes and Obama Administration clemency initiatives that provided second chances for low-level federal drug offenders That led to a sharp decline in the federal prison population In 2013, the federal prison population sat at nearly 220 thousand Today that number stands just under 190 thousand

1:37:51 In reaction to Sessions' memo today, former Attorney General Holder called the move dumb on crime. And Republican Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky said these new policies will accentuate the injustice of unfairly incarcerating a disproportionate amount of minorities. In March President Trump created a new National Commission to combat the opioid crisis. Drug abuse has become a crippling problem throughout the United States. Today Sessions listed the opioid epidemic and a spike in violence in big cities as reasons for this return to harsher sentences Drug trafficking is an inherently dangerous and violent business If you want to collect a drug debt, You can't file a lawsuit in court You collect it with the barrel of a gun In the memo sessions does leave discretion up to the prosecutors to avoid unjust sentences But those exceptions would need to be approved and documented

1:38:44 Well, this is another thing which kind of comes to mind when I see this. The population has been lowered by 30 thousand and there's all these... Of course we have all these... It seemed like 130 thousand sounded like? It was 220 it's down to 180. Oh! I thought it was 80 okay. And they there's a A couple of things that bother me, it always bothers me. It bothers both of us which is the profit motivations of so many prisons. Yeah the Correctional Corporation of America. There's that and then they also manufacture in a lot of these prisons besides just license plates. Yeah its free labor

1:39:27 Yes, free labor. They pay him ten cents an hour slave labor that we always accuse the Chinese of The Chinese have accused us of that never gets any coverage We have a slave labor system in this country and it needs to be propped up and if we have room for 220 thousand Federal these are federal prisons and they're not just making street signs. Yeah clothing They're making IKEA furniture all kinds of stuff well not Ikea so much but furniture for sure and So this is like, again not discussed. You just plow through a head with this thing and it's kind of an angle to make Sessions look like an idiot because he sounds like one half the time.

CHAPTER 25 / 44 Discussion

Opioid Epidemic, Drug Czar Debate on PBS

Former drug czars Gil Kerlikowske and John Walters discussed the accelerating death toll from synthetic opioids on PBS NewsHour. They noted that fentanyl and heroin are now killing more Americans annually than gun violence and car accidents combined. The discussion highlights the shift from prescription pill abuse to criminally produced synthetics often sourced from international organizations.

pbs newshour· gil kerlikowske· john walters· fentanyl· heroin

1:40:09 For more, we are joined by two former directors of the White House Office of National Drug Control known more commonly as the country's drug czars. Gil Kerlaskowski served as President Obama's drug policy advisor from 2009 to 2014 before becoming Commissioner of Customs and Border Patrol. Okay, so I want do a preview on this. This should be a little set up. We have 2 guys they brought in. They'd like to do these things... PBS is doing a worse and worse and worst job. They had the two guys where they do the argument, the political arguments about Trump usually with the old guy's shields in Brooks. They bring a new guy in from The National Review. And both of them blast Trump. I noticed this some time ago on some show, I think about six months ago

1:40:54 They won't even bring in anybody that has anything contrary to say about climate change. In this instance, they have two guys from Obama, the very liberal from Obama and then a conservative and you think it's going to go a certain way? It doesn't go that way at all! Both guys are all in. There is no debate whatsoever, there's not they don't bring a contrarian and they don't bring Iran. It's PBS man they don't have to get ratings. PBS has gone off the rails with this two guys saying the same thing and then do the shields in this guy from The National Review was the worst

1:41:31 Both of them said Trump should be impeached tomorrow. But listen to these two guys on the drug problem. From 2009 to 2014, before becoming Commissioner of Customs and Border Patrol he retired from that post in January. And John Walters served as Drug Czar for all eight years of George W Bush's presidency He is the Chief Operating Officer of The Hudson Institute a conservative think tank Thank you both for joining us. John Walters let me start with you mandatory minimums, handcuffed judges take away some of their discretion and disproportionately affect the poor and people of color? Well what they do is they target in the federal level more senior traffickers. And they try to protect people from this horrible drug epidemic I think the issue is whether or not we're going to have equity across the system some of these were created for two reasons one to create equity across the federal system for serious offenses so that some people in some places are

1:42:22 Shopping judges was not a way to avoid fair and equal punishment. Two, the sentences were used to create evidence from individuals pending conviction to help break down whole drug organizations they've worked we need them now we have the most deadly drug epidemic in the history of the United States underway Now, they talk about leverage using sentences for leveraging. I don't even know what that means but both guys kind of said it and you can go to the second guy now but before you do that there's this...it's very strange the way they're kind of positioning this and only information I think is valuable in here is actually the death toll

1:43:07 And one of the guys mentions it's gun killings and automobiles combined. Right, right...and we know that the real opioid crisis which is a medical term is because people are hooked on pharmaceuticals! That's the beginning of the crisis but man and just a moment of respect for the EMTs out there Who wants to be an EMT? Who wants to go save people's lives. We know a bad Chad there in Colorado, he says we gotta put a hood on these people the heroin addicts put a hood on them they're on PCP and heroin they OD we gotta jab the what's-the-shot call that brings you back to life. Yeah that's Narcon

1:43:52 If you jab that in and boom they come back to life. They're insane because there are still the PCP or the P-PCB kicks back in Oh, and by the way whatever they're on You just being around them touching him if they breathe on you could also die Yes according this report too Jeez Gil Karluskowski, does this dismantle in some ways some of what you started to accomplish as drugs are in your administration and perhaps slow the momentum for what seems to be bipartisan approach and understanding towards criminal justice reform? Well, in some ways it does. But let's separate the opioid epidemic. When I took office in 2009, it really was not on the public's radar screen. These are pills. These aren't being smuggled in across the country. They're not being manufactured in some garage. This is driven by our medical practice

1:44:44 practices, which by the way is governed at the state level. So try to separate out the opioid issue. The heroin issue is different although it certainly is connected but if you're a trafficker, a drug trafficker I couldn't agree more with what the Attorney General said because if you're a drug trafficker and your indicted by the federal government its usually for substantial amount of drugs and so that's important Gil Kylskowski, I also want to ask. What about the argument that Jeff Sessions makes? It says this takes the handcuffs off of prosecutors. Prosecutors have been complaining for some time that they can't use a large sentence as leverage to get the type of information they need

1:45:30 Okay, now he uses the large sentences thing. They're gonna go in to take the handcuffs off in the next last clip I think it's the last we get in there Yeah that I noticed is a little piece of propaganda in here about the mentioned state level Yeah, yeah that means the states you gotta take care of it's your problem. No he says that's where I was being handled now Oh! I gotcha And its not being handled well so this is another attack on state rights Federal takeover right Which seems the exact opposite of what the Trump administration stands for Exactly.

1:46:21 And we've got to run the inventory to the max, but inventory is inventory. We need to fill it up." Reserving those spaces and reserving those prosecutors for the most serious crimes is very important. You know I spent almost eight years in the administration hall but four months. I met with a number of U.S. attorneys and assistant U.S. attorneys. I didn't hear them complaining about the way they were being dealt with by what's fondly called main justice John Walters, I want to ask you mentioned the heroin epidemic and Gil also seconded that. I like the term Maine justice Yeah, I don't know what the clip was gonna bitch about here but so let's go finish it off

1:47:03 John Walters, I want to ask you mentioned the heroin epidemic and Gil also seconded that. What about going after the distribution and the manufacturing? And I have to show ID to get a bottle of NyQuil over-the-counter yet in West Virginia with a population 800 can get 300,000 pills shipped to it over a few years Yeah, I think the enforcement of the diversion of drugs, pill mills and other kinds of diversion of synthetic opioids are important. But today that was what was happening in five or six years ago. Today the death rate is driven by criminally produced synthetic fentanyl and

1:47:42 heroin and this is killing more people every year than all the names on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. Secretary of HHS Price mentioned that in addition, that number is accelerating what's happened is we've lost control of these organizations and we need to be able to enforce the law you yourself have had the author of Dreamland on this program the story of pills and heroin coming together to create this carnage. He notes that some of these gangs were parking outside drug treatment centers to give free samples of heroin to people, to re-addict them or keep them from getting into treatment. Those people need to go to jail. We need this on a much larger effort.

1:48:22 There's limited resources in the federal system, in the state system. We need to bring together public health efforts to bring people into treatment and we need to stop the flow of this poison it is killing more Americans than all gun and automobile accidents combined and its accelerating and in addition to that cocaine production out of Columbia is going back to the old crack days. We're in the midst of facing a perfect storm and we're not on top of it, we need law enforcement to work as we need treatment to work." I disagree with the guy there at the end I liked everything he said, except we're not on top of it. That's incorrect! The facts are right in front of our nose Do you have a conclusion before i do this? I was going to do a little discussion of fentanyl but you can do that Okay We know for certain that any war on anything only results in more than the thing we wage war on This is an historical fact I don't think President Trump has anything new up his sleeve War on drugs means more drugs

CHAPTER 26 / 44 Discussion

Afghanistan Poppy Harvest, Heroin Legalization Theory

A theory is proposed that the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan is tied to the annual poppy harvest and the global heroin trade. The argument suggests that legalizing high-quality, low-cost natural heroin would eliminate the market for deadly synthetic opioids like fentanyl, though such a move is politically unfeasible under the current administration.

afghanistan· poppy harvest· heroin· legalization· cia

1:49:22 Now, if you look at heroin specifically it's coming in through Mexico through the border and it's naturally produced in Afghanistan. The two places where Trump is focusing a lot of his energy one we don't hear much about Afghanistan except oh yeah the mother of all bombs and I don't know if its time for harvest or not but if your playing Sim City If your the boss and your saying holy crap man people dying every single day because we don't have enough cheap heroin. Which is very different from the fentanyl and the carfentanil and all the other synthetic opioids, not saying that you can't kill you and it's not bad... This is what I would be doing! We gotta flood the market with this stuff so that people stop dying from the crazy synthetics

1:50:13 And the wall, I've always said is about controlling the drug flow. There's going to be a nice hole where you can come through and it's agreed-to amounts and times in the payoffs... Make no mistake we run on drug money! Everything is drugs! Well, the guys say that this as it concludes they mentioned that they believe and its been documented most of the drugs come through within 10 feet of a guard usually over one of the border openings. They're not being hauled in, people drag their family across the border. They're not bringing drugs and I always thought that was bull crap anyway. There's plenty of ways to getting drugs in they have submarines they got airplanes there's all kinds of ways you just having a few people drag some over the border doesn't really amount too much although they claimed also that the fentanyl in particular which is so powerful you don't really need to bring much in and I want to read about a little thing from right from the Wiki page and people should go read this about fentanyl because it's really interesting

1:51:12 Fentanyl, according to the wiki is a potent synthetic opioid pain medication with rapid onset. This is interesting it's rapid onset and short duration incredibly short duration It uses as kind of quick high Like one hitter like lunch time high Yeah its a potent antagonist What does short mean? 20 minutes? Well in here they're talking about 90 minutes Fentanyl is a hot 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine, which is a bit much. And some fentanyl analogs I think the ones you're talking about which are designed to mimic the pharmacological effects of the original drug may be as much as 10 thousand times more potent than morphine

1:51:59 Fentanyl was first made by Paul Janssen in 1960 following the inception of Demerol. Several years earlier, Janssen developed fentanyl by assaying the analogs to the structure of the related drug pethidine for opioid activity. The widespread use of fentanyl triggered a production of fentanyl citrate—a salt formed by combining fentanyl with acetic acid or citric acid which entered the medical useless general anesthetic. Which is added for flavor, no doubt! And it used to be called sublimase. Mmm, yummy! And then there's a bunch of other ones that came out for medical practice. Sufanatil, alanitil, remanifenatil and lofenatil they all have similar sound. In the mid-90s fentanyl was introduced for palliative use with the Fentanyl Patch followed by in the next decade by introduction of the Fentanyl Lollipop

1:52:58 Also dissolving tablets and some sublingual spray which are absorbed through the tissues. As of 2012, fentanyl is the most widely used synthetic opioid in medicine. 1700 kilograms were used globally in 2013. How do you make it? Can you make it at home? No It's also used as a recreational drug, leading to thousands of overdose. This is the recreational thing that seems to be the issue. Deaths have resulted from improper medical use and recreational use. Fentanyl is widely read therapeutic in drugs which make very safe they use it for anesthesia. It's not like a drug that's not common

1:53:39 But here's the thing here. Well, let me just refer people to this website and not to wiki page but there is a website that is I don't know why you haven't mentioned on the show before which it's drug experimenters We've talked about this. They give you their entire experience of individual highs, yeah. E-R-O-W-I-D dot com or dot org sorry e ro w id dot oregon and every drug in the world is in here And it usually has commentary by dozens of people who are experimenters. And they talk about fentanyl quite a bit, and the guys who use it usually...I mean there's some people that actually like it but if you look it up you get death pill or you get the worst thing I've ever had or great buzz. Do they have ratings like Amazon? They should!

1:54:37 But one guy was bitching that he was checking his blood because a lot of these guys are nuts. They've wrapped themselves up in a bunch of gear and then they take some drug and then they take all their vials. This guy says, he almost died with the very small patch using the patch which I guess is very popular but this is bad news and it really does all stem from the medical profession. You might die! Well, I'm calling this The Great Harvest Of 2017 Well, they've got to put a stop to it. And that's the only way to do it? No, the only way they do is legalize it! Wow that is the ultimate way yeah I agree Because it lowers their prices, the profit motive has gone But legalize the poppy version not this synthetic version Well the synthetic version if it was legalized this crazy shit comes in from China

1:55:33 which is made there for some purpose or other and somehow gets into the... But let's just back up for a second. That's not going to happen because we heard very clearly, and I have to say at this point, I've never really heard anything where Sessions said specifically this about marijuana or states who have or have not legalized it for medicinal or recreational use. It's all about heroin. It's all about opioids. Yes but Sessions is known anti-marijuana guy. Fine! But there's no way that they're gonna legalize it. They're going the other route, which is get the good stuff in I'm telling you this is the only answer and It answers a lot of issues To me it seems cut-and-dry why what else are we do? Why are we going into Afghanistan? Why answer why?

1:56:19 Well, we know the answer. We've talked about it on the show a million times but if it was legalized and the prices came down and people were using under controlled environments this situation wouldn't exist like this. I understand but we're not Trump no one's gonna listen to our argument that guys never try to drink yes well what does he know? He is unqualified for governing over this No, I agree. He should recuse himself as president. As a teetotaler, he recused myself from this entire situation. All I know if it's the death toll is they said it's going to be averaging 100000 a year which people are moaning and groaning about gun deaths but this is worse. We've always known that when he's taking this second best option for him personally then something you could actually do

CHAPTER 27 / 44 Discussion

South Korea THAAD Missile Defense Controversy

Newly elected South Korean President Moon Jae-in is facing pressure from his party to reconsider or suspend the deployment of the U.S.-made THAAD missile defense system. The deployment has caused significant friction with China and Russia, and controversy has intensified following President Trump's suggestion that South Korea should pay for the $1 billion system.

thaad· moon jae-in· south korea· missile defense· china

1:57:10 Get it is throw everybody in jail. No get all the good stuff in produce low Low-cost high quality real heroin the good stuff, you know like coca-cola But that's not our government doing it as its agencies that are taking money pocketing at yeah But still the poppies come in we know how it works well anyway I find a whole thing distressing very is very distressing. It was very would have had a little stronger Yeah, the jury was unconvinced Let's go to South Korea for a moment. Awesome stuff happening. As Moon Jae-in begins his new role as president of the Republic of Korea, the ruling party in parliament is pushing for a hearing on a controversial missile defense system The Democratic Party wants to address national suspicions surrounding the US made FAA

1:58:01 system. Joseph, President Moon said he would reconsider the deployment yes the Democratic Minju party and that's Moon Jae-in's party did you say the Democratic Ninja Party? sounded like ninja but I think you meant Moonja. I like ninja US national suspicion surrounding the U.S.-made FAD system. Joseph, President Moon said he would reconsider the deployment. Yes, the Democratic Minju Party and that's Moon Jae-in party has a special panel and they've been pushing for a parliamentary hearing for the missile battery, also calling for the deployment to be suspended until it's approved in the National Assembly. For what they say is to prevent further national conflict now this missile battery has been a topic of controversy in South Korea since I was first announced getting backlash from residents near the installment site as well

1:58:52 other countries, including China and Russia. And Moon Jae-in and his party have called for a delay in the deployment saying that the ousted President Park Geun-hye and her government didn't really receive public consensus before they came to a decision now all All of this comes at a time where key components of the THAAD missile battery, including the high-profile X-band radar and mobile launchers have already been delivered. So it is of question as to whether they'll be able to even reverse the decision but the controversy has further escalated following U.S. President Donald Trump's remarks

1:59:29 saying that South Korea would have to burden the cost of that, which wasn't in any agreement before. But all of this is in question because Moon Jae-in and his party do not have the full backing and majority in the National Assembly so we'll have to see if this plan as well as other reform plans will even be able to get approval in Parliament So the takeaway from this? We already knew the Moonstar was against it Which I think is fab I did not know that we have no client there, that the American taxpayer has been paying for this. Of which the shit has already been delivered on and is on the ground ready to be installed! We've been paying for it all along!" Yeah... I did not realize that we pay for all of it. I thought that there was a buyer there? Well apparently not. Ah well- It doesn't make any difference as long as those arms companies get the money Oh of course! Ah shit!! That was a big one too

CHAPTER 28 / 44 Discussion

North Korea Missile Tests, UN Sanctions

North Korea conducted another ballistic missile test from its Kusang facility, defying United Nations bans. In response, the DPRK sent a rare letter of protest to the U.S. House of Representatives regarding new sanctions aimed at cutting off crude oil imports and international shipping, which the North views as an act of war.

north korea· ballistic missiles· un sanctions· dprk· kim jong-un

2:00:26 North Korea update CBS. Here's another report on the same thing, it has a funny screw up in here. Let's see if you can spot it. There is breaking news tonight from the Korean peninsula. CBS News confirms North Korea launched a missile Sunday morning local time from its Kusang test facility It's unclear what type of missile was fired and whether the launch was successful. It comes just hours after a senior North Korean diplomat said that communist dictatorship would be open open to talks with the United States under the right conditions. Continued missile tests by the North would of course ruin any chances of diplomatic breakthrough. Adriana Diaz has more from Beijing

2:01:05 While traveling through Beijing International Airport, senior North Korean diplomat Chae Song-Hye said North Korea is open to talks with the U.S.. If conditions are right she said will speak to the Trump administration her comments follow President Trump's overture to North Korea earlier this month when he said he'd be quote on to meet with dictator Kim Jong-un under the right circumstances. The ratcheting down of rhetoric comes after months of escalating exchanges between Washington and Pyongyang North Korea has continued to test banned ballistic missiles while the US has beefed up its military presence in the region as a show of force including the deployment of an aircraft carrier off the Korean Peninsula The comments also come days after South Korea elected a new president this week who prefers engagement with the north instead of isolation Banned ballistic missiles. I'm not sure what yeah, yeah that was weird it

2:02:07 Well, I did a little research to see what they... What is this? And you look it up and apparently these missiles in North Korea shoot the ones they shoot off are banned by the United Nations. Hmm. Then I'm thinking why are they banned? Yeah! I can't get to the bottom of that Why are they banned from shooting off ballistic missiles just randomly and we're not?! Because they're douches I guess that's it. You guys are douches, you don't get to shoot your missiles! That's right, a follow-up about just that we prefer to refer them as sanctions John not as banned substances and Joseph despite hostile relations the Democratic People's Republic of Korea sent a letter to the US House of Representatives protesting new sanctions...I didn't hear about this letter i thought that was interesting what does the DPRK hope to achieve?

2:02:59 Yes, Elaine. The DPRK sent a letter in protest of the latest U.S House of Representatives bill for tougher sanctions on Pyongyang and that's to prevent crude imports as well as international shipping and this would... We're starving these people now! Now they have no crude imports, no oil, no food No nothing How is this humanitarian in any way? Enjoy your rice. Do they even have rice there? They have rice?! I hope so. What do they have? What can they make there? What are they going to eat? They can grow a tomato, i think. Price of Tomato! International shipping and this would become law if it's also passed as an act of war in the senate now this letter is in line with the DPRK argument that its nuclear program is for self-defense and that they would continue to pursue it given that Washington has continued to pursue what they say continued to pursue hostile

2:03:56 acts against their state. Now, here's the DPRK State Media on the matter. As the U.S House of Representatives enacts more and more of these reckless and hostile legislations against the DPRK our efforts to strengthen nuclear deterrence will gather greater pace beyond anyone's imagination Tensions between Washington and Pyongyang have been high, with the new Trump administration really focusing on isolating the state. And it seems that the DPRK is trying to counter this by reviving its Foreign Affairs Committee

2:04:33 amid the mounting sanctions. Now, the Seoul's unification ministry said that this committee was revived in order to improve foreign relations given its isolation. But we've seen more and more countries really reinforce and back these sanctions, including recently Germany closing down a hostage hostile that's run by North Korea, as well as Southeast Asian countries including what happened in Malaysia. Now all this comes amid Moon Jae-in who has been receiving promises from other foreign leaders who really promised that they would back these UN sanctions as well as help South Korea to try and curb the DPRK nuclear and missile program. Hmm... Does not sound like a good situation Not a good sitch

CHAPTER 29 / 44 Discussion

SiriusXM Beatles Channel, Radio Format Changes

SiriusXM announced the launch of a dedicated Beatles channel, prompting a discussion on the redundancy of all-Beatles formats in modern radio. The hosts recall historical instances where stations would switch to 24/7 Beatles music during ownership transitions or format flips.

siriusxm· the beatles· radio· channel 80· music programming

2:05:20 Yeah, yeah. For the DPRKs... this is not good for them Well we'll see what happens I like the tough talk bit but you know don't starve these people it's not gonna help The whole thing is just ridiculous It's a disaster However that doesn't mean that we shouldn't go to something really important for the show right now I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda Imagine all the people who could do that Oh yeah they'd be fab On NO AGENDA And I'd like to remind everybody that the Beatles channel starts here on Sirius XM channel Starting May 18th Channel 80. Are they gonna play? A lot of Beatles They keep promoting all the time. Why why-

2:06:10 Isn't it a little redundant to just play Beatles all the time? Beatles, Beatles, Beatles. There used to be Beatles radio stations if you recall that we like... The station would be ready to change format or everyone at the station would be sold and then We're going all Beatles all the time! Wooo! Don't you get a little tired of Beatles Well, you can always mix it up. You know like I find them tedious so you can mix it up Yeah, you could play Beatles related songs So if for instance of I were the program director I'd throw one of these into really really hot rotation Ladies and gentlemen beetles all the time here on Sirius XM channel 80 I still got it that would do it

CHAPTER 30 / 44 Discussion

Mother's Day Donations, No Agenda Community

The show processes a series of Mother's Day-themed donations, with listeners sending in tributes to their wives and mothers. The segment reinforces the "value-for-value" model of the show, where listeners provide financial support in exchange for the content provided.

mother's day· donations· podcasting· value-for-value· community

2:07:02 He's unhinged. I am! Well, let's thank a few people for show 929 or whatever it is. Yeah, Niner2Niner Dame Kirsten Gleb, who comes in with pop money every month. But she gave us $150 bucks with it. Please give a birthday shout out to her best brother on the planet my brother Todd whose birthday is Sunday May 14th, Mother's Day and she wants us to add an F cancer karma for her! Oh jeez I didn't realize that. It was terrible. Let me do that for her right now... Where is my favorite? Yes this is good one.

2:07:41 You've got karma. Austin Wilson is a mammoth Washington, $102 and 80 cents Troy angst in Langsburg Michigan $100 even. Baroness Janice of the Mutton and Meat in Milpitas, California over here a 92 90 Chris Moore the one boob donation. The one boob is meager but it is for mom he says that this is for moms so you got a little mom thing in there

2:08:20 Matthew Wilson in Hanover, Pennsylvania is two-thirds the knighthood with 64 67 sir Mark Tanner and Whittier California 5533 the Baron Sir JD Baroness Icon Valley 5517 worried sick that it wasn't gonna get this thing mentioned in time But we did 5517 donations in honor of John's newest grandkid, their mother and all the other mothers out there in need of some karma for Mother's Day. Love and light will put some karma at the end for everybody. Samuel Cutts, 55 double nickels on the dime. Please call out Luke K from Minneapolis as a douchebag.

2:08:59 SirKasey, he's been listening for a year and he hasn't coughed up anything. SirKevinPain in Richmond Virginia 5232 Alan Asaf I think 5140 these are Mothers Day donations we got one two three four five six seven eight nine ten even not a lot of mother lovers no there's not a lot of mother lovers in this show that's I was stunned by the low number of people that were and there was no 5140 is $514 none But Alan Asaf came in, Asif with the best mother's day to his mother Sandra. His grandmother Marie and his smoking hot wife Mona. Yo! Good name. Chad Syker or Syker, Syker I think? In Owensville Maryland happy Mother's Day to my main squeeze Sonia Syker and all five of the human resources good for you Chuck Walters in Schaumburg Illinois 5140 wishing Carolyn Walters from Sugar Grove a happy Mothers' Day

2:10:00 Andy Kluber, 5140. Happy Mother's Day Dell Scott Floyd no mother but to Scott's mother happy Mothers' Day her buddy Sir Patrick Coble says a happy Mother's Day to his mother doesn't name her Jonathan Bingham oops Patrick no, I'm sorry. Patrick coble said happy mother's is to my wife Dame Sarah for taking care of me and the two little human resource Okay got that wrong It's Jonathan Bingham doesn't listen so we say happy Mother's Day to him to his mother Patcher ball Perry Stewart lady of the manor calling out to moms everywhere and especially those remember Thank you

2:10:46 Very sweet. Black Knight Sir Mark Magpio, Mag-Pi-O I don't know how to pronounce that. Mag-Pi-O. Anyway tell all the moms out there more especially my wife from Black Knight Sir Mark Magpio Sir JD, the baron of Silicon Valley again shows up. But this time he says a happy Mother's Day donation from the Baron of Silicon Valley for his smoking hot wife Jean mother of our child and his mother Marion keep up the great work gents. And that's the group grouping as well. There's Gary Buchanan with the wrong number and does Jay Briscoe have a note with 5101? Jade Briscoe Yeah Oh

2:11:30 No, I don't know. Maybe no, I don't know. I certainly don't have his note. No, I don't have a note for you But he's 5101 yeah, I don't know what it was all right doing then Gary Buchanan has one for Gary Buchan is got His wife longtime contributor and listener her birthday is the birthday call out Oh is she on the list? Yeah, we got on the list okay Edgar Elm, I just want to say Maybe you want to do the same because I know my mom if I didn't say happy Mother's Day even though she's dead She would be pissed so happy Mother's Day and happy mother Even if she's dead. Yeah, oh yeah And Happy Mother's Day to Tina Marie the keepers a happy Mother's Day great. My wife Amy She's a great mom great and Eric's wife D all these mothers that are out in the West good mother lovers

2:12:19 That's what people say, especially in the chat room. Gary Buchanan 5505 and we got a birthday call for him Edgar Alma Geyer in Wachahachi Texas 50. The following people are $50 donors name and location and then that'll be it. Brandon Savoie or it's unknown but Dame Patricia Worthington who is very reliable he comes in a lot in Miami Mike Westerfield Sir Mike Parts unknown here John Haller in Missoula, Montana James Chu and Andover and he did send a note Somewhere yes. He said short note oh here it is He says dear John and Adam that it is actually a notepad page to its anonymous donation well That's great Thanks for all the hard work we need for any on-the-air mentioned there No need for on the air Meg mention he doesn't like the mic drop That's what he wanted I triggers him

2:13:19 No, I think it's...I think on some systems it makes too much noise. Okay no mic drop today special day for all the moms no mic drop Oh very nice. I'll do something else Dame Melody Mann in Andover Massachusetts Scott, then there's a Scott coming up. I realize that I'm at the end of the list so I want to thank everybody for helping us on show 929. Yes! Niner to niner Indeed indeed Well thank you and everyone underneath $50 of course Damn damn again It was hard

2:13:59 But it's hard to not say of course. I'm really trying to hear it. I've got my fault I'd love to write you about this, but I can't hear it. Not your fault not your fault But we do thank everyone under 40 or $50 and that is typically for reasons of anonymity We appreciate that and thank you for the support for your moms Happy Mother's Day And remember we have another show coming up on Thursday. We need your support vorac org slash and those of us who needed jobs Jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for job You've got karma

CHAPTER 31 / 44 Discussion

Knighting Ceremony, Sir Ewan of Ramen Noodles

Ewan Robertson is knighted as "Sir Ewan of Ramen Noodles" after contributing over $1,000 to the program. The ceremony includes the traditional reading of the "knights' menu," a humorous list of vices and rewards associated with the show's honorary titles.

knighting· ewan robertson· no agenda· donation· ceremony

2:14:38 We got a list here today. We start off with Jeff in Tracy, California Apparently he's celebrating on the 6th his note was a little unsure there at the $5 donation level Just couldn't read it Dame curse and happy birthday to her brother Todd celebrating today Marty Williamson happy birthday was smoking hot girlfriend Heather Lata and Gary Buchanan says happy birthday to his wife Jennifer he is He is the luckiest man in the world she celebrates on Wednesday. Happy birthday to all the moms and everybody here from The Best Podcast In The Universe! Quick make good, on episode 9 or 2-7 we somehow skipped James Zuko who donated $100 and we apologized for that so we wanted to make good And hope this suffices...and then we do have one knighting today Ewan Robertson has climbed up through the ranks So if you could grab a single Knight Blade

2:15:33 Yeah, let me get it. Okay well we- I'll just use yours don't need mine necessarily. Hey Robinson come on up here man! Thank you so much You have contributed to the best podcast in university amount of $1,000 or more therefore you get a spot at the coveted roundtable than no agenda nights and the dames And I am very proud to pronounce the KD sir. Oh and Ewan of ramen noodles so for you my friend We have of course hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay lead slingers whiskey and gunpowder brisket and brown ale our fags with Lee sauce white widow and brownies we've got espresso on hemp milk DMT and astral travel dram

CHAPTER 32 / 44 Discussion

Tucker Carlson, Breastfeeding and Gender Politics

Tucker Carlson interviewed a magazine editor regarding a study claiming that calling breastfeeding "natural" is unethical because it reinforces gender roles. The segment critiques the intrusion of gender politics into parenting decisions and suggests that such controversies are often manufactured to create media engagement.

tucker carlson· breastfeeding· gender politics· third-wave feminism· formula

2:16:08 And that's mead spelled M-E-A-D, no E at the end. I'm tired of you. Back and forth it. Since we're on Mother's Day... And this may be even something that enters the Dvorak household of conversation. Possible... It's just a long clip, but we can stop whenever we want it's just entertaining to me all the way through of course I heard at that time Tucker Carlson

2:16:53 I am talking about Tucker Carlson. He had on a woman, who was not social justice warrior she's an interesting woman actually well it doesn't matter what her name is this was a story based on a report a scientific report that stated as conclusion And women breast-free feeding is not natural. Oh, yeah! This is great. And I understand both sides...understand what's being said but it isn't indicative of just a larger issue or larger problem that may not be a problem to everybody but the third wave of feminism that I spoke about earlier is about educating men in particular white men but it's about educating men you need to know what the truth is

2:17:42 And let's listen to Tucker. about the roles of men and women in the family. So this is kind of a baffling story, one that people are inserting politics into breastfeeding which seems like it would be off limits for politics but two why it would be controversial to call breastfeeding natural if breastfeeding's not natural what is natural? Well breastfeeding doesn't come naturally as pediatricians will tell you its not exactly easy there are lactation specialists out there theres a whole industry out there so breast feeding isn't exactly

2:18:24 natural, doesn't come naturally to women. So what they're saying is which I'm so happy there's a study out there that are finally letting women not have this guilt trip that it's okay to hand the formula over to daddy to the men and its natural for a man to feed a baby. So they're saying only a woman able to feed a child is inappropriate Here's the crazy thing as I was listening to this report. I immediately went searching for the actual study, looked for any connections and to me that first thing I thought is this must be the baby food industry or the formula industry who have somehow gotten this report out there and you know this is a Latina...I'm sorry Latinx

2:19:10 She runs a female magazine which is mainly focused on the Latinas. And some, and I'm like she is being sponsored. She's sponsored her magazine and she touts clearly on her website what great companies have sponsored or advertised but doesn't necessarily list any food company that I can see that would have baby formula But this just kept on going It's unethical and inappropriate and i'm so glad women are let off the hook finally If women are let of the hook you know So this kind of brings into play with this

2:19:49 And it's obvious that this is intended to create media havoc. Because obviously everyone knows that, you know... It is a natural process and not natural for men to give breast milk through their own breasts Yeah, so it's intended to spark some kind of cont- and then it seems like the age old controversy. Is it bad to have breast milk or not? Or to be had formula instead of breast milk as an infant? Unethical! Or inappropriate whatever those words mean I mean It can...it's the opinion of some physicians that breast milk is superior to formula And other people disagree and it's a debate That has raged for quite some time But what you seem to be saying is

2:20:31 is bad because it suggests that women have a different role in motherhood than men do but what they do because women are the only people biologically capable of bearing children. Is that now controversial observation? Well, the study is saying though that women are not the only ones who could feed the children so that's what they're trying to say It is natural for others to be able to feed the children So the whole burden is not on the mother so that's what they're trying to say with this study. Is it maybe I'm unaware but is it an issue that fathers say hey, uh, I don't care what you do you but you got to give the kid breast milk and I'm not going to give him formula what your nipples hurt tough luck! You gotta give the breast milk? I mean is that really a thing

2:21:14 Not that I know of. No. But, first of all, of course that's true... Right! Of course and but that's kind of a decision what do you mean there well i don't think women are stupid oh well there are some women that actually interviewed a pediatrician had a mother now she's going to say there are some women who are stupid this is this is the best part she's even saying women are stupid women are stupid I interviewed a pediatrician that had a mother that had a child starving for two weeks. She was not able to lactate, she was not able to produce breast milk for two weeks the baby had lost weight and she refused to give that baby formula for fear that her baby was not going to get the perfect breast milk and would have to turn to formula. That's totally fair point and that's shame when people feel like...

2:22:00 You know, there's no alternative. Perhaps there are some but that's not what's really going on here This is gender politics intruding on the personal decisions that parents make It's also blurring the lines we needed that she says we needed that it's suggesting by the way Men can breastfeed which I don't think they came and then could I don't know? I have four children, I can tell you. What do you think is going on with this John? Is this just more gender crap? It's the best he could do... Well, I mean, I've heard this before and it got nowhere. Right. I think it's-I think his-it's just too-I think this is Tucker running out of material Okay now I'm down with that You're right Because she's got to-this woman is not really doing her job in so far as arguing with him She's like she's flirting with him She's not

CHAPTER 33 / 44 Discussion

Third-Wave Feminism, University Gender Studies

The "Third Wave of Feminism" is defined as an movement focused on "educating" men—specifically white, straight, cisgender men—about systemic inequality and the "patriarchy." This academic shift is contrasted with the first wave (suffragettes) and the second wave (1960s-70s liberation), with critics viewing the current phase as more about lecturing than equality.

third-wave feminism· gender studies· patriarchy· social justice· education

2:22:53 Yeah, maybe she was flirting with him a little bit in hindsight. That's a good point It's a very good point I want to talk about this third wave of feminism just for a moment and then you know because it kind of starts it started To get a little picture of this And and you know that what is being taught in universities is courses like gender in media gender in Media Studies And I believe that may, for certain types of education—liberal arts, I would say—it's a required course. And you know the UT Austin apparently it...I think it is not... Well, school by school, I really find it hard to believe but… I'm not 100% sure. Okay

2:23:41 But they use a lot of current examples of the news and invariably, you know, they throw in Trump and throw in Russia and all kinds of things. But I heard this phrase, The Third Wave of Feminism, my question is what were the other two? And the first one that is being taught or at least discussed in these universities but I think it's being taught to was suffragettes which was really women need to be equal to men. And that's not exactly how that went down because that was about land and... It was mostly about land and voting. Land and voting. The second wave is the Jane Fondas, Anita Bryans, and I said well what do you categorize that? Within no doubt, no question, oh we hate men

2:24:32 That was that's what the second wave is now considered. Would you agree with that? I was quite young so I don't really yeah, I didn't think it was that Tina agreed though She said oh yeah, but that was about hey There's a there really stems from some very various some writers as writers that caused this It wasn't you know these celebrities and it Was an intellectual movement that began in probably the late 50s uh-huh And, you know it's kind of... the man-hating part I think maybe evolved from it but there were other issues. It wasn't just about hating men. There was more hating men

2:25:09 Kind of in the 2.5 era where you have your Janine Garofalo's and people that just bitch about everything, you know They're just hostile right? Yes well then this hostility and Millennials in my life they are they listen to the show I have to say And are very pleased to hear different thinking and stuff they start to agree with But when I said, you know what about this third wave? Well this is the obligation that the third-wave feminists feel the obligation to educate. To educate particularly men, particularly white men, particularly straight cisgender... Educator or lecturer? Well the word is educate Ben and I think lecture would be friendlier. Educates say I need to educate you reeks of Nazism, reeks of fascism, reeks of reeducation, reeks of all kinds of bad things

2:26:01 But that is the term, you need to educate so you don't make these mistakes again. Topple the patriarchy these things...the patriarchy I said well i had nothing to do with all this! I'm just following along, I'm a mother lover, I'm not a hater, I'm not a fighter yeah but you need me to be re-educated and I find this disturbing but now I understand in the Portland shopping spot about the Confederate flag rug. She went in, she went in to educate the people in there because she was filming it from apparently from the get-go. She went into say hey I'm education...I'm educating you don't you know your history remember all the things that we didn't play on the show and maybe we should have but screw by now everyone hopefully has seen this video. I do not think so my wife just saw like yesterday well by now she has seen it so this is case in point. Your argument makes no sense

CHAPTER 34 / 44 Discussion

Confederate Rug Confrontation, Portland Store Video

A woman in Portland, Oregon, filmed herself confronting store employees over a rug featuring a Confederate flag design. The incident, which went viral, resulted in the store management apologizing and considering disciplinary action for the employees, while the woman claimed she was "attacked" and felt the need to "educate" the staff.

confederate flag· portland· heather franklin· viral video· social justice

2:27:01 It doesn't. But what is interesting now is the wrap-up of this, that she's doing interviews and I have a local news report from Portlandia area, Portlandia TV I think so you can in this you really hear not only the education part with the need to talk about this needs to be done we need educate but also the extreme exaggeration in the word she uses are being attacked attacked by these men and just horrible experience as a woman in particular. And anyone who's seen the video, what did Mimi say? She well she said hey you gotta see this video of this crazy woman says you won't believe it I love Mimi listens to the show with such religion

2:27:50 She doesn't listen to the show at all. Only Jay listens to the show and every time we mention her name, she gives me grief. She gets mad? No well she gave me... I don't throw everything out! ...she says to me. Uh-huh. And so what are you talking about? You just did it. So what are you talking about? She says you said that i throw everything out. I stopped doing that. Oh didn't notice it. Well you wouldn't notice if there was more or less anyway Yeah true Here's the local report And with an interview with this social justice warrior. An ugly exchange on Heather Franklin's Facebook live video after she pointed out a Confederate flag design rug for sale in the store I would not have confronted with kids with me if i would have known that the reaction was going to be violent like that and then That was really scary Franklin says those employees followed her into the parking lot It was very shocked, I mean to be called a b****

2:28:46 by any employee is quite a harsh to be flipped off. Store management says the rug never should have made it to the sales floor we do not order these rugs by any particular style We buy 150 to 200 of them at a time. They come in every six, eight weeks." When I came in and saw the video...I was upset. Store president Andrew Toulson says store management is now discussing punishment for the employees in that video. These are two good employees who have been with the company long-time and obviously they handled situation very poorly but I'd love to talk to her and make it right and let her know that we're not you know

2:29:22 organization or we have nothing that's as far from who we are is can be. Meanwhile, another employee in the store at the time of the incident wasn't concerned about that rugs presence of exaggeration you know wouldn't affect wouldn't affect anyone. If you're looking for trouble, then you're finding trouble. But it doesn't bother anyone. You know history? You don't want it and you don't buy it." But Franklin felt she had to say something. There's absolutely no reason to say that that's okay to see at a store, so yeah for me I wasn't going to walk out of the door. She's nuts! Well she's nuts... When Mimi called, I thought the whole thing was staged

2:30:02 Didn't think it at first yeah, and then I started thinking more and more about it. No she's a way sadly It's not staged Well, it's pathetic then. People should go see this video. Did you put a link in the show notes last time? Yes I did. But people need to go to the show notes and definitely figure their way around the show notes and watch this thing if they haven't seen it already And one more thing It is fantastic Yeah its great! Its entertaining from beginning to end. And recall that she was really calling them out. I'm posting this yeah so they're here in park or whatever street address While I was watching Adam Carter's documentary... Oh, by the way just before we leave that topic completely. I should mention if these guys are smart they could have handled it on the spot by saying what? So you're against the fact that we put the confederate flag on the ground and people stomp all over it and stomping stomping and you don't like us so what are you some sort of a racist? Wait oh my gosh hold on second

CHAPTER 35 / 44 Discussion

Poverty Appropriation, Social Justice Advocates

The "tiny house movement" is being reframed by some activists as "poverty appropriation." Simultaneously, the University of Arizona has reportedly established a program for "social justice advocates" to report fellow students for bias incidents, a move critics liken to a "snitch" culture on campus.

tiny house movement· poverty appropriation· university of arizona· bias reporting

2:31:06 Let me see. Yes, I think it's coming through! Yes John Hill and Knowlton on the line for you they'd love for you to join their crisis team because you are so good at it Yeah thank you To wrap this up for today, there's all kinds of interesting little reports that are going on. My favorite is... we don't have to get into it but you know the small house movement? The tiny house movement that people are into like let's be really minimalist TV show? Yeah you know what that is now excuse me That is poverty appropriation and it's not okay I'm not kidding. It's poverty appropriation and one has done that and the Was it University of Arizona? Has now set up a little extra cash You know work-study program as you can become a social justice advocate, and if you witness

2:32:04 As a social justice advocate, if you witness any social injustice you are to report that and you can get 15 hours a week of social justice advocate work at $10 an hour from the university. So it's about six hundred dollars a month And that is a reporting on your fellow students for bias. Snitch! Yes, snitch. Brown shirts and it starts at the universities and before you know it I could get kicked out of the apartment building if anyone heard this shit I say You could? The Bias Incident Report Office

CHAPTER 36 / 44 Discussion

HyperNormalisation, Eliza Chatbot and Selfie Culture

Referencing Adam Curtis's documentary *HyperNormalisation*, the discussion explores how the 1960s chatbot "Eliza" revealed a human tendency to find comfort in technology that mirrors the self. This "mirroring technology" is linked to the modern "selfie generation," with the suggestion that an obsession with self-image through social media algorithms reflects a deeper societal insecurity.

adam curtis· hypernormalisation· eliza chatbot· joseph weizenbaum· selfie culture

2:32:42 Beautiful. Your apartment building has a bias incident report? No, but that's next! That's next you know it's coming. Of course it is this is we're in Cuba now... Hey comrade now back to the Adam Curtis documentary there's one thing that stuck out and since you have you may have seen it you don't remember doesn't matter it's called hyper normalization And in it, you know they talk a lot about the control of the computer industry, the bank, financial industry and the computer industry. When you look at Europe, the European Union really comes together in your head. The US is not great but with EU the way was set up was all around finances and screw ya! That's why no one has any power in government. The banks determine what goes on there – the financial institutions

2:33:29 But in the early days of the computers there was one particular chatbot that really kind of kicked it all off, created by a guy in the MIT artificial intelligence lab Joseph Weizenbaum. And oh! Joseph... you know him? Oh yeah. No, I don't know him personally You know of him? Yeah he's famous And Weizenbaum had created a chatbot named Eliza and what he realized...and Eliza was based on a very simple script which even if you listen to Hal from 2001 Odyssey He used to play it in the 70s What?

2:34:08 Eliza. Oh the game, yes and I've played it. I remember when the webs first cranked up that was one of the first things oh there's a website you can talk to Eliza and what Eliza does is, can recognize a certain key words in your question or whatever you type and it then answers something usually with another question based upon your input. So I'm feeling lonely. Eliza would say why do you feel lonely? Well, I got a problem with my dad. What is about your dad that you have a problem with so it goes on and on and on and what Weisenheimer, uh, Wiesenbaum... Weisenheimer!

2:34:45 What Joseph Weisheimer realized when he let his secretary sit down and use this, then he hadn't told her what it was doing. Within a couple minutes she said excuse me could you please leave the room? because it's kind of personal, the stuff that I'm doing here. So people really opened up and his conclusion from the Allianza chatbot is that people love interacting with technology when it mirrors themself and then boom everything fired off the neurons went off in my head welcome to the selfie generation now I understand there's something with this and people can make a lot of money with this knowledge

2:35:22 And I don't think, and i'm pretty sure that the Facebook people they figured it out. I don't know if they've gone back to the science of Eliza but wow there is something within us that we want to see ourselves because that makes us feel comfortable! It makes us feel good about our life and everything when we see ourself in everything we do. This has to a certain extent with the access to mirroring, let's just call it mirroring technologies that we have an entire generation and a part of an of a previous generation who are all in on this mirroring technology who are sick. And they're so ill that I think the rule of thumb is the more selfies, the more unsure you are in life sounds logical but here... Oh lemme write that down winner

2:36:17 Column make it time. It's I don't know if I could do it You need a string to do you'll make a time code because that's actually kind of an interesting well The time code is even better the time code is 2 hours 34 minutes and 56 seconds, okay? Good nice anyway finish this thought it's good thought You have a thing about selfies. It seems as though you hate them Oh, no I'm just fascinated well like this woman like the woman who went in is I think she's Looking at that video again from the Confederate rug story because I didn't flag rug story I think she had a selfie stick when she came out She said and she's talking about oh look here looking at it And to me that phenomenon of selfie sticks it just blows my mind

2:37:02 And she was, you know... She's showing herself. I'm really scared right now! You know? And maybe a lot of this was kicked off by Blair Witch Hunt. Blair Witch Project that's what it was. Blair Witch Project because that kind of had the early personal video recorders like close up yeah okay and right here is very frightening and it was very real even though we know it wasn't real It was a groundbreaking film or use of cinematography. Yeah, it was and made most people sick you couldn't really watch it very long. So I wish i had a real big conclusion there, John. I wish I did but uh... I think the... You dropped the ball on me! Well it was..I think the takeaway is self-mirroring or mirroring technologies so not social networks these are mirroring networks The algorithms now know that you want things about yourself you want things that you...you know it's the echo chamber is another way of saying it but it comes from this fundamental human need

2:38:04 And the more people do it, the less sure they are of themselves and of themselves in the world. It shows severe mental illness." How's that for a wrap up? Ooh! That is... there you go. Yeah. That's the kicker. Now I only got one more topic we should... No no, we have time left. You've got something here? Yeah, I've got plenty. A couple things that you mentioned and what you just mentioned, your whole thing right there plays right into this. This is the clip Rent a Family

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Rental Families in Japan, Dog Heart Shop

In Japan, businesses like "Rent-A-Family Inc." allow individuals to hire actors to pose as parents, spouses, or friends to satisfy strict social protocols and etiquette. Additionally, "dog rental" shops cater to citizens who cannot own pets but seek the companionship and stress relief provided by animals.

japan· rental family· dog heart shop· etiquette· social norms

2:38:42 We end tonight in Japan where a growing number of people are renting. People to pose as family and friends Adriana Diaz has the story Ruichi Ichinokawa runs something called a rental family company and business has never been better For a fee he and his staff will impersonate your parents, your boss even your spouse Have you ever been discovered? Never It might sound strange, but Ichinokawa's business was immortalized in a 2012 documentary called Rent-A-Family Inc. He says his business helps clients navigate the tricky norms of Japanese society Why is there so much demand for renting fake family members? The Japanese obsess over etiquette manners and appearances a lot more than Americans do he said For my client not violating protocol is extremely important

2:39:36 He recently posed as a pregnant woman's father because her real dad disapproved of her engagement. She says he saved the marriage Across town, another rental's in progress. For $10 an hour a proudly unhip middle-aged guy will let you vent and offer his worldly wisdom this time self-proclaimed old fogie Takenobu Nishimoto is serving up life lessons today it's dating advice Ishimoto sees clients almost daily, proving over the hill is underrated. It's because I'm a total stranger that clients can unload even deep dark secrets he told us they'll say I can't breathe a word of this to anyone I know

2:40:22 In Japan's unusual rental universe, sometimes the services are provided on four legs instead of two. At Tokyo's Dog Heart Shop patrons pluck down cash to hang out with oodles of poodles, beagles and a golden retriever named Rika. Japanese are uncomfortable about borrowing things like a dog or car from a friend said owner Yukiko Tsuchiya so it is simpler to rent from a company Delivery worker Yoshiro Yamaguchi is one of her most loyal customers. He travels an hour each way every month to get his canine fix Playing with dogs is relaxing, he told us it gives me energy to get back to work For the pet deprived and the status obsessed The lovelorn and the confused in Japan at least you can rent for that some Japanese are odd

CHAPTER 38 / 44 Discussion

Sologamy, Self-Marriage Kits

"Sologamy," the practice of marrying oneself, is a growing trend popularized by pop culture. Companies now offer "self-marriage kits" that include rings, vows, and affirmation cards, catering to individuals who want to celebrate their independence and self-reliance through a formal ceremony.

sologamy· self-marriage· brooklyn· sex and the city· i married me

2:41:16 Some? Oodles of poodles. I like that. Oodles of poodles... Hmm, well there is something in the US which is as odd Which is happening now as well called sologamy No Yes Sologamy and a woman just married herself under this guise. I'm a sologomist which means you Now you're on to something Yeah Sologamy. I can give you that. How do you spell that? Uh, So-lo-gamy Oh solo obviously. Yeah. I don't know if it's sologamy or solo-gummy however you would want to pronounce it. Nuts is how I'd... In UTS! Here um, I have a story on it let me see. Um Eric Anderson. I would describe as women saying yes to themselves It means we are enough even if we are not partnered with someone else Okay fine. Ay yi yi. Yes she got married in Brooklyn

2:42:21 Self-marriage or sologamy is growing, partly because it's popping up in pop culture. Like when an episode of Sex and the City floated the idea... That's not very new is it? Marry yourself in Canada offers consulting and wedding photography. There's also I married me calm. Oh Let's take a look at this fine outfit, I'm married me oh I married me calm This is where you can say I am married. Yeah, I mean it's nice Yeah, you are reason to celebrate. A roadmap to positivity. Our I Married Me kit has all you need to create your own ceremony including a self wedding ring vows and daily affirmation cards You know what the daily affirmation card says? Go fuck yourself is what it says Sorry Well cause' your married! I'm sorry That was the worst punchline ever. I don't have anything better Okay

CHAPTER 39 / 44 Discussion

Laptop Ban, European Aviation Security

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is considering extending a ban on large electronic devices in aircraft cabins to flights originating from Europe. The European Commission has sought clarification on the threat level, as the ban could significantly disrupt one of the world's busiest aviation corridors.

laptop ban· homeland security· european union· aviation security· electronics

2:43:20 Yes, big news and I'm very very excited what the actual ruling will be. The United States announced in March that electronic devices larger than mobile phones would be banned from aircraft cabins on flights from eight Muslim majority nations U.S officials said the ban wasn't introduced because of a specific threat but was based on concerns that planes might be targeted by jihadists carrying explosives concealed inside laptops or tablets. This week, the US Department of Homeland Security said it was close to a decision on whether to extend the ban to Europe. The EU says it's holding urgent talks with its American counterparts to discuss the issue. Transport commissioners have written to the Secretary of Homeland Security to seek clarification

2:44:11 The European Commission says there are no indications that any new threat has prompted the proposal. What I want to remind you of is that there is no announcement by US authorities yet as to the extent and more exact plans for this ban. But this is something that has been brought to our attention and we obviously continue our very close cooperation with the US authorities on this as well as other issues." European airlines and governments are concerned about the potential impact an extension of the ban might have on what's one of the world's busiest aviation transport routes

2:44:54 There's a lot of confusion about this, mainly due to lack of information. Now here is why I'm interested in the story when they placed the ban on the eight predominantly Muslim countries it was because of the airports but mainly because their airlines and security those airlines implement And it did not include US carriers. US carriers, well you could just take your laptop no problem." My reaction? You had a different response so we can sort through all the gear and when we collect it from everybody I think...I still think it's putting everybody on notice We're in charge of the skies. Uh..you're gonna make it very difficult for you to fly and if this ruling

CHAPTER 40 / 44 Discussion

United Airlines, Bathroom Access Incident

A news report about a United Airlines passenger with a bladder condition who was allegedly forced to "pee in a cup" due to turbulence is scrutinized. The analysis suggests the passenger may have requested the cup herself after being told it was unsafe to stand, highlighting how such incidents are framed by the media to fit a negative narrative about airlines.

united airlines· nicole harper· air turbulence· fake news· passenger rights

2:45:36 It turns out to be true if it does happen and it's for all flights, I'll have to rescind that argument. Then I'll go back then I'll go to your side saying geez this is an intelligence operation! If it is only your...if it is non-US airlines only then I think that I can agree that this is commercial wrangling right? You'd almost think that all these stories about the airlines being, you know treating their passengers like crap would be a part of it. I'm not sure Uh you heard about the woman forced to pee in a cup? I don't remember this one Headline oh i was they made me pee in a cup

2:46:20 I wish i had audio of that but now have the story. It was a humiliating experience for this passenger on United Airlines flight. I was very embarrassed and Nicole Harper, a nurse who has a bladder condition says she wasn't allowed to use the bathroom because of air turbulence. They told them at that point that I would either need to use the restroom or I would need a cup to pee in and they handed me...at that point they handed me a cup That's right. She says they told her to use a cup, right? No! No... she said I need a cup or I need to go the bathroom They lied in this very report Nurse who has a bladder condition says she wasn't allowed to use the bathroom because of air turbulence They told them at that point that I would either need to use the restroom Or I would need a cup to pee in I think-I think

2:47:14 that this woman was treated extremely nicely by the flight attendants, by the cabin crew. They should not be standing up either. Woman have you never read how many people get seriously injured during freaky turbulence which seems to happen with some regularity? And this is for your safety and the safety of other passengers around you because if you get some turbulence and you fly up then you're going to come back down again on somebody else And you said, well I need to go or I need a cup. So all right i'm going to risk my life here and other passengers lady to give you a damn cup which she asked for. And they handed me at that point they handed me a cup That's right she says they told her to use a cup

2:47:59 Right in her seat. It happened on a flight from Houston to Kansas City I was able to relieve myself In the cups in my seats and aisle around with you know, my family and strangers around Oh my goodness. In his statement today United admits the incident was upsetting for all concerned it's just the latest in what seems like an epidemic of trouble for the airline See? It's a total non-story It's fabrication, fake news in fact. Fake news and exactly the opposite. A fake news story? I mean this is the kind of crap reporting we're getting...I have one here which has got

CHAPTER 41 / 44 Discussion

Mike Rogers, FBI Director Search Error

CBS News incorrectly reported that former Congressman Mike Rogers is the current head of the House Intelligence Committee while discussing him as a candidate for FBI Director. Rogers left Congress in 2015 to become a talk show host, an error that underscores a lack of fact-checking in major network news.

mike rogers· fbi director· cbs news· house intelligence committee· media error

2:48:41 bad information and it comes from the big network CBS. And you think they're going to give us bad information on CBS just a misreport, put a little effort into an editor maybe? Well that depends. CBS is the Central Intelligence Broadcasting Service do you think could have a shitty story about some other intelligence service Try this clip. Next FBI director, the men and women of the FBI from doing the right thing current acting director Andrew McCabe is among possible Comey replacements those in consideration include Republican Senator John Cornyn of Texas Alice Fisher a former assistant attorney general Judge Michael Garcia from New York State Court of Appeals and federal judge Henry Hudson from Virginia

2:49:23 for other top-level counterintelligence officials have also been interviewed another name added to the mix today former Michigan Congressman Mike Rogers he's been endorsed by the FBI Agents Association and is head of the House Intelligence Committee Attorney General Jeff Sessions and his deputy are still vetting candidates. But once they make their recommendation, President Trump will select a nominee who will then seek Senate confirmation. Wait a minute... Wait a minute Rogers isn't in government anymore! Hello. Yes, you're right! You caught it! It was so obvious Wow thank you CBS that's great So the head of this house intelligence committee he is not even in Congress at all In other words they really want him in That's what I'm thinking Less than 10 minutes to go Alright ten minute warning okay Mike Rogers the bonehead talk show host Yeah What a douche

CHAPTER 42 / 44 Discussion

G7 Finance Meeting, Italy and Germany Trade

At the G7 finance ministers' meeting in Bari, Italy, discussions focused on economic inequality and cybersecurity. Germany's Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble faced criticism for the country's massive trade surplus, while the U.S. delegation led by Steve Mnuchin was pressured to clarify President Trump's stance on protectionism and corporate tax cuts.

g7· wolfgang schäuble· steve mnuchin· italy· trade surplus

2:50:23 His name shouldn't be Mike, it should be Seth. You want to hear something from Helena? Oh yes! How's Helena? Is she still following you on Twitter? Yeah. Okay. She doesn't listen to the show but I think she knows you might... This is the World Economic Update and this is actually an interesting story as a two-parter uh the first clip's kind of short with Helena And Germany is under scrutiny too this year for its huge trade surplus. Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble is likely to face criticism at the summit. You said you said the short one, this is the short one? Oh no I meant the whole thing was short kind of. Time now for some more business news with Helena talking otherwise you don't get to hear Helena

2:51:07 Oh, well yeah who cares about the non Helena clip time now for some more business news with Helena talking about global financial planning in a resort town in Italy That's right Christopher. There are worse places for it I think aren't there now the g7 meeting of finance ministers is taking place in the Italian city of body and it's got a wide wide-ranging agenda including fighting inequality, cyber security very pertinent at the moment of course and cutting off funding for terrorism. But US Treasury Chief Steve Mnuchin was the center of attention as ministers seek more clarity about President Trump's policy plans G7 partners urged the U.S to take their responsibility for the global economy more seriously but not to threaten growth

2:51:51 Well, Trump's threatened to upset the group's consensus on issues including climate change and protectionism. But the Italians have another agenda. For host country Italy one issue is at the top of the G7 agenda fighting economic inequality I want to draw your attention to growth and social inclusion they've become a key topic of the g7 and the g20 I am happy that Italy is pursuing these issues. Growth cannot happen without social inclusion." Rome's interest isn't entirely unmotivated.

2:52:32 Brussels has just ranked Italy last in the EU, in terms of growth. So now I'm listening to all this and the other clip that one that you almost played actually is a better example of what's going on. The United States oh United States we've got to condemn them at once say what? We're always into growth! What are they talking about because growth is the big theme in this particular G7. Yes yes And so it was like Oh because we were thinking of doing some protectionism We can't do that. Just an ounce of protectionism, yeah. And then the Italians it turns out as they said in the report that the EU condemned them for having zero growth so the Italians are going well it's because we need more equality! Yeah... It's not our fault

2:53:16 And the worst one, and they don't bring this up on the show. There's DW by the way. The worst one is the last clip which is about what Germany is all about. Germany is under scrutiny too this year for its huge trade surplus. Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble is likely to face criticism at the summit His main goal is to stop the scramble to lower taxes after the US and Britain announced plans to reduce corporate tax rates, to boost growth.

2:53:55 So here's the deal. Germany, which has this outrageous trade surplus they don't want us lowering our taxes from the highest in the world at 35% because God we might actually kick it up a notch and they won't be able to compete so oh no the big thing is that no no no no change your taxes! All these guys are in for themselves Who was representing the United States there? Tillerson? Mnuchin. Oh, Mnuchin... Well that wasn't the conference to be at! And I couldn't find many reports from THE conference and i only noticed it because of you. I learned by looking you okay?!

CHAPTER 43 / 44 Discussion

Belt and Road Forum, Christine Lagarde Tea Speech

IMF head Christine Lagarde gave a speech at the Belt and Road Forum in Beijing using "tea" as a metaphor for global cooperation and "new flavors" of economic growth. The hosts jokingly interpret her focus on "white tea" and "soft infrastructure" as coded language for the international drug trade and heroin routes.

belt and road initiative· christine lagarde· imf· beijing· heroin code

2:54:35 The Belt and Road Forum in Beijing. That would be the good one Oh my goodness! And who was prominently not there? United States, Vladimir Putin's on stage talking everybody is up to... Fifi Lagarde You know when I first heard about the Road and Belt Initiative and I have to say Fifi Lagarde is Christine Lagarde she's the IMF head for new listeners you know when I first heard about the Road and Belt Initiative and read about it Of course you think of silk, I thought of silk. But i thought of tea. Why tea? White Tea! Well because it's whether you are in Beijing whether you're in Moscow or whether you're in London Whether you're in Nairobi Or whether you are pretty much anywhere Jakarta Marrakesh

2:55:21 Tea is shared, tea is necessary, tea is inclusive and tea is an instrument of cooperation amongst the people. For centuries, tea has brought cultures community and people together it has also connected economies through trade and investment Chinese scientists have unlocked the genetic secret of the tea plant, raising the prospect that we may soon enjoy a range of new flavors. Mm-hmm I'm just gonna stop it there. Jeez! This is very obvious what this is about Is she stoned? It's... That's exactly what this is about She doesn't mean tea. It's a metaphor We're gonna have lots of new flavors. This is about heroin

2:56:12 White tea, hello? This is about heroin John. This is a global heroin conspiracy Also known as tea and she said oh scientists just did you know about that you drink tea Did you know the scientists unlocked the magic of tea the DNA and now we'll have different flavors Maybe she's talking about fentanyl flavor crystals because you know China white is fentanyl There you go. It could be fentanyl, but it makes more sense in my story if it's the real deal It could be this but maybe maybe because we're not there perhaps is a we got to fight these these bros over there with their real heroin Let's kick it up and I don't think the world The world wants to keep letting the CIA run this whole thing and they like to do it themselves And they can make fentanyl getting in on us. It does the same thing We just need to re we've got two genetics. We had to get it So it's a little bit bad, you know, so it's not killing people Yeah

2:57:11 Well, when you're standing in Beijing which last time I checked is China and the slang for heroin is China white. Have you come up with this cockamamie? Fentanyl's China White. Heroin is China white. Turns out that fentanyl... The China whites always been fentanyl. Okay well they must be making it then and then you say oh scientists have figured out we can make different flavors heroin speech. Now I think you're unhinged, but I like it! Where am i going with tea? Yeah where are you going well the Belt and Road initiatives hold similar promise It is about connecting culture, it is about connecting communities, it is about enriching economies and improving the standard of living of people yeah with heroin now that you mention it this stupid speech about T

2:58:05 is idiotic. Yes! So it has to be in code? Yes, and I think you actually put me on a different thinking here we're rushing out to go bomb Afghanistan We got everyone ready to harvest the poppies We've got the wall set up straight for all of the imports once it's processed The Chinas are going hey damn there goes our fentanyl sales man And then she comes in and says hey this little road You know gonna have all this access It's gonna make everybody rich Life will be better Have you ever done heroin? Life's better for a little while. It is also about adding new economic flavors by creating... I mean, please! She's saying it! Economic flavors! ...infrastructure projects both hard and soft What's soft infrastructure? Drug routes. What is soft infrastructure?

2:58:55 Dirt roads. Mm-hmm. Using the techniques of the 21st century... Mm-hmm, fentanyl. ...and good governance principles. Okay. Well that's just my thinking. Yeah. I don't know what— You're unhinged man! I am unhinged but keep your eye on it. You got anything else or are we done? I'm through. Okay. Billboard Music Awards tonight I think? Am I not mistaken? You gonna be hosting? And in the morning, in Chinese for you sir. Yeah I will not be hosting. Me and Daisy Fuentes beautiful But you never know things do happen on show days keep your eyes peeled and always keep producing the program it is after all your podcast therefore it is the best podcasts in the universe We appreciate your support in every way

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Show Outro, Mother's Day Sign-off

The hosts conclude the episode with final Mother's Day wishes and a reminder for listeners to support the show via the value-for-value model. The segment ends with the signature "Adios mofos" sign-off and a closing music mix.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· adios mofos· mother's day· podcast outro

2:59:45 with your intel, your information, your theories, your thoughts, your clips, your artwork, your finances. And remember us for that at Dvorak dot org slash NA Coming to you from the Cluedio in the Common Law condo here in downtown Austin Tejas FEMA Region 6 and all of the government maps In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where I wish everyone a happy Mother's Day And I don't care whether you're a mother or not, just happy Mother's Day John C. Dvorak Happy Mother's Day to everybody from me as well and until next time as we always say... Adios mofos!

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3:03:19 You have to figure out, alright what do we do from here? And you're right. We've gotta get some jobs. I want some jobs! What is this? We must, we must and we will much. Be committed.

3:04:34 What the hell did he say? I don't know! But is this we must, We must and we will much about that be committed. About that be committed. But is this we must, We must and we will much Be committed.

3:05:43 We're with you. We know, we know now. What's in a pizzow? A story about one commoner who is trying to make an art of possession now where he's proven to be concerned about whether or not that was collusion and pizzow. He's to make art of possession and possession. Art of possession now. Investigation. Art of possession now

3:06:38 I think there's a lot. Hey, come on guys! No no no no no.

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