No Agenda 009

00:01 Once again it's time for the program that has no music, no commercials, no jingles, no talent and absolutely no agenda. Coming to you from the Curry Manor in the United Kingdom, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm John C. Dvorak up here in Northern California a long ways off. And it is, the sun has definitely gone over the yardarm here. It is pitch black outside, 5, what is it, 4, 430 PM on Saturday, so that would make it about 830 your time San Francisco? Actually it's 857. Oh I'm sorry, I was looking at the second hand. It's even more time gap between your house and my house. It's amazing how that works. So yes, the sun's coming up. It's actually up quite a bit so far.

00:52 Seems like it's up further than I think it should be. But there it is. And we do have sun today here in California, although we have a lot of high-level clouds, which means that something's coming up. Yeah, it's been very, very cold here in the UK for the past, I think the past two weeks. Just really cold. Like constantly around the freezing point, which made my Christmas shopping that much unhappier today. so yeah i used to go christmas shopping the night before christmas well that's what i do to last minute man Yeah, well the funny thing is you run into a lot of if you go on Christmas Eve besides the fact that they throw everything on sale You run into and I've done this for years decades You run into fellow travelers who are who are just the same, you know, they're just like you they go in the last day and they've been doing it for years and they all you kind of like your your immediate friends with all of them and you joke about it and it's a it's like a whole different crowd of people is mostly men and

01:53 And they're out, you know, shopping around. And it's the funniest thing, because it's like one of those deals where you're just like your pals with these people without even knowing them. And you all know what you're up to. I really got boned. I had had Christina spy on her mom to find out what she wanted, because you know, when it comes down to the right or wrong bag or shoes or whatever, you know, there's no way I can buy that. I have no idea what I'm doing. So I met her after she was working. Today and so I met her after work and she should and she had to go for a driving lesson So she said oh here the boots that mom wants and I said what size is size three? Okay, so of course they only have size four right and my daughter's gone So I'm like helpless walking around going. Oh what other boots will do well of course. I have no freaking clue

02:44 So what'd you do? What'd you buy her? Nothing. Nothing yet. I have to go back tomorrow. I gotta Shanghai my daughter into going with me. I'm completely lost. I have no idea what I'm gonna do. Actually, my wife this year made an edict, which is that we can't buy gifts that aren't either handmade or used. Wow. Is this a part of the stop consumerism? I'm very proud of you, John. Yeah, I think it is because we're kind of sick of it. The pendulum's swinging back, dude. It's going to happen for everybody. Well, luckily, there's like, you know, we've got in the Berkeley area, there's like a lot of high-end, extremely competent potters.

03:28 and artisans of course you have the telegraph avenue weekend thing which is hilarious I mean if you want to see tie dye it's like a I think I'll post some of these pictures I was there last weekend. What is the interior of your house like? Is it like a western vibe or? It's eclectic. Gee how surprising. That's all I can say. I did some research You might I think you told me you listened to the source code so maybe you already heard about this I wanted to ask you about Stephen Brill Yeah, does that name is? Stephen Brill the guy who did the That magazine that's that Brill Brill's a bunch of Brill's content. Yes. Yeah, Brill's content So guess what guess what else he did after after Brill's content folded in 2001 tell us he started a little-known company

04:24 which is so little verified ID systems I think it is, who are the people who are rolling out the clear program. Verified identity pass yeah This is the the thing at the airports now where you give you the government your retinal scan and your fingerprint and your fingerprints right and you can roll right past the gate well No, you can't actually you get a different a different line But you still have to take your shoes off and your bags less to go through x-ray and you still can't have Liquids and you know there's it's it's just this it's a separate line. That's all I just found that interesting that he had set that up and

05:04 I wonder if that's the same because somebody was telling me about one is that the only system that has the bypass because the one this other guy was telling me I had a different name no they there were a couple of pilot projects that ran but it seems like you know now that that brills in with his clear program he looks like he's the only guy that that is really doing it but it's all part of the what is it called I think it's the targeted traveler program or something like that That would be you yes, no it's a TSA TSA initiative and so they rolled out a couple of pilot programs And and I guess this is the better brand or whatever so I bet you don't know him personally I thought you might know him. You know I ran into him once I don't really know him as I'd like if he sees me or if I see him on the street run away now man run away from him I wouldn't probably recognize him unfortunately, but you know if I

06:01 Maybe and give me a comp not to mention it As long as you give up your retinal scan you'll be fine. Hey, you know what I mean. They probably have it already My wife doesn't want me to talk about this stuff anymore. Oh because she's gonna be next on the list no no no no She says I have a bad you know Adam Curry. Are you married to him come on with us? She says I have a really bad feeling about this you really gotta be careful with what you're talking about And what she's referring to, of course, if people want to go back and listen to previous shows, is the fact that every time you come into the USA, they stop you for one hour and a half just to harass you.

06:39 Well, you keep saying it's just to harass me, but it's obviously because their computer system is saying that there's a reason to speak to me. But it's not really harassment. They do that. It's just dumb. It's an inefficient, stupid system. They've already asked me the same questions five times. Hey, let's try this. I think we should start experimenting. Okay. Now, next time you come in, which will be in a few weeks, I think. Yeah, around the 15th. You're gonna You're going to as soon as they say well You know they started asking start asking you questions before they take you say you stop and say wait stop second You're just wanting my autograph, right? That's all that's all this is about Okay, great one John can't wait to try it The other domain name now that is don't send Adam to get mo.com I

07:40 Yeah, that'll probably trigger something that you know it's probably like a keyword that they're the NSA is like scanning for a salon Yeah, why shouldn't we I wonder what's the reason for this? So some suspicion so she's probably now. It's it's not it's not just about that But damn damn you curse you John C. Dvorak you got me into this confessions of an economic hitman and Yeah, book by John Perkins and and you had mentioned a couple times get the audiobook and actually did and so I listened to it over over the course of the week and Yeah, I think probably the stuff that's been coming out of my mouth here at home since since I completed that book is probably What has caused her the most concern? Does she listen to it yet no she hasn't you know and and I and I'm I

08:32 I'm just about ready to start showing her some of the masses of videos that are out there online. Because, you know, of course, I look a guy like this up, this John Perkins, and he's got links to other journalists. And these are serious-ass dudes who have quite a record, quite a journalistic record. And they're uncovering some amazing things and And you know from that I wrote what did I what I've oh I rolled into you know you have a lot of these 9-11 conspiracy videos I mean, there's at least four or five well produced ones that are out there and available online right now Yeah, yeah, and you know the fact the group as a whole are called the truthers yes, and I ran years and

09:14 The truthers which is really I have this which is actually kind of an interesting term because it's catchy in some screwball way But anyway, I ran into the truthers seem to crop up as a group. I and i ran into uh... a pile of them uh... with their signs have signage in the effect and i think i should ban but blog this because i took some photos here they show up in the media events typically with his a camera so they can uh... show up and i got there with the with the with the uh... signage and says you know tell the truth about nine eleven anywhere out in front of k g o studios in san francisco and i'm and i ran into one of them uh...

09:51 Who I happen to know or she knew me or something like that. She you know you said you just want my autograph don't you? We gotta start using that as a catchphrase yeah anyway, so so They handed me they have these discs that they hand out. They tell you to reproduce them and scatter them around and So they gave me a couple DVDs and there it's like really Which ones do you remember the titles because I probably says that I You know I don't have the titles are like also kind of not like 9 9 11 Empire The DVDs got like a bunch of these documentaries on each one. There's where there's two of them, right? Yeah, but it says tell the truth about you know something or others like it's the name of the organization I don't follow that closely because they're kind of nutty, but anyway, so But I started looking at one of the DVDs. I seem to have lost the other one It's how you know conscientious I am and

10:47 But the but I it's actually there's once you get past the poor production values of some of the earlier videos There's actually some good stuff in there, and there's a lot of questions that still you know it seems to me I mean, I think everything really stems around the World Trade Center seven right exactly because of You know the timing how that came down the so-called command to quote pull it And you know all this all this Scientific evidence surrounding the use of thermite Which is used in demolition and there's a ton a ton of that and I have to say That you know now we're getting some of the some videos that a little you know The production value is a little higher a lot of this seems to

11:31 Come from you know this guy with thing his name is Alex Jones info wars calm is this site? Oh, yeah, yeah that guy Yeah, so you know and and that's kind of the problem You know as you see this guy like oh, you know he does seem indeed a bit nutty, but when you get into he also seems like a huckster well He does and it's unfortunate and But I bumped into, so I've seen all these videos and I don't talk about it anymore because it's an endless debate, right? I have to say the videos that have been put together, wow, very convincing stuff. But I found this other site, pilots4911truth.org. And like, well that's interesting because there's something, I don't know anything about thermite, I don't know anything about demolition, I do know something about flying.

12:18 And, very interesting, they, under the Freedom of Information Act, they asked for the black box data. It's about 25 megs worth of data. And, you know, this, the black box tracks speed, you know, inputs on the controls, obviously altitude, pitch, yaw, roll, I mean, every single attitude of the aircraft, if thrust was used, you know, just a lot of stuff is stored there. Under freedom of information act they said you know send us a CSV so cut you know comma. What does that CS? What's that stand for comma? comma CSV comma Separated values, that's it right right right values Wow So you know basically a spreadsheet and they loaded it into a simulator and

13:06 And there's some very interesting discrepancies in that data. I mean, like really, really wrong. You know, that just makes it... In fact, if the data was correct, at the point of so-called impact, the aircraft was actually at 480 feet in altitude, so it flew over the Pentagon, according to the data that the NTSB sent. Now, that doesn't look that way in the simulator. In fact, the simulator shows, you know, about 180 feet, so just about at ground level. But either someone forgot or, you know, somehow something was altered and there was no reset of the altimeter.

13:49 And you know so they went back and looked at the pressure settings for that day, which was three zero point two two They look at the temperature and say no exactly how high that aircraft was flying and according to this black box data That was sent to them by the NTSB the plane actually went over the Pentagon at 480 feet so you know at least there's there's some some stuff in there that I think warrants a some further investigation and minimum yeah I think so, but you know, I don't think it's going to happen. I think the official word is what we're going to have to live with.

14:26 You know, I was reminded during, there was a little era, I mean this is like the guys who talk about the bomb at the, that Oklahoma City bombing and how it was two explosions and they found the two things and you can look at the, you know, it goes on and on, it never ends because you can second guess everything. But the, I'm always reminded of the early reports of, and I'll bring this one up for the nut balls out there. The early reports of the fact that the planes were flown into the buildings by remote control. which was a kind of a screwball concept if you ask me, but there used to be, in fact the guy still exists, there used to be a kind of a crackpot writer that had all kinds of weird information that he used to put on the net and this was in the 90s. And he talked about, in fact that book you're talking about, The Confessions of an Economic Hitman, talk about how they like to assassinate people with plane wrecks. Yeah, planes and helicopters.

15:26 right and they cuz you know people are flying around in a lot near you know they crash all the time anyway and so what the pilots of our thank you hillary but anyway so the uh... the clinton used to have this guy was the head of the democratic national committee this black guy remember you see on tv all the time is a fast talking character was really good at that that that making the republicans life miserable and he died in some mysterious wreck in Africa during some period where he was involved in some scandal. The whole thing seems suspicious to me, and this guy that I'm going to refer to in a minute, he wrote it up as an assassination, and he had all this information that was kind of interesting.

16:09 And it could kill the bullet to the back of the head of the body nobody want to talk about things like that So anyway the guy the guy's name In in the 90s he was and he was very interested and I'd read his stuff all the time because for no other reason it was highly entertaining and Even though some of it was completely off the wall and the guy's name was Jay Orlin grab and Jay Orlin grab Wrote up his analysis of the 9-11 situation which included the remote control flying and shortly thereafter his material his sites all became kind of like soft core porn sites with a lot of women And he was like and you can't find his essays anymore. No, I mean if you he's on if you do I

16:56 He's basically off the grid and if you do find anything by him, it's that it's it's it's nothing compared to what he was doing in the 90s maybe he's getting old but I can't tell but whatever the case is I found that kind of interesting although You know, I have to say that and I'm very prone to obsessive compulsive behavior So, you know, I really dive into this stuff and you know, I'll pull myself out and then you know for the past couple years I've been looking at a lot of these and I I think, well first of all, I think it's actually pretty good that people are doing this. And the more I think about how can we stop a lot of this insanity, which you can't even explain in a half hour show as to what actually potentially is going on, on a big, big global scale.

17:47 I think that the internet is actually is the way that it's all gonna unravel, you know. There are no secrets, is my slogan. Only information you don't yet have, so... There's bound to be people who know something and something's gonna come out and it will come out through the net. I'm quite sure of it. Now, will it get squashed? Will it get written off as those kooks? Perhaps, perhaps, but I think the message is getting out, you know, and these are very, very powerful images. There's certainly nothing of equal power to these videos that I'm seeing in mainstream media. Absolutely nothing even close to it. And this is just really riveting stuff, you know? And I have no reason to believe it's doctored. I mean, you look at the people who are giving speeches around the country. These are scholars, John. These are smart people. They're not dumb disc jockeys like me.

18:39 Well, you know, the problem with that, you know, I actually have the opposite take on this, so far as the Internet's concerned. I believe the Internet's got so much information, good, bad, and so much disinformation, and it can be so overloaded with BS and crazy people and people who are pretending to be crazy and all the rest of it, that the truth is probably harder to discern And and gets more clouded than ever before and so I think you can get away with more not less Because of it to be honest about it. Yeah, but but it's you know, it's not like this stuff It's not like the internet produces this this comes from from other people in there and I think that the you know The way that it typically works on the internet is you know, the things that are kind of

19:30 complete bubble up and everyone's a filter and in my own way I'll act as a filter for other people. And I don't know, I have a little more optimistic view. Yeah, no, I have a totally pessimistic view. In fact, I think the internet can be used to manipulate things to an extreme, and I think we're going to witness some really outstanding examples of this in the future. It'll be fun to watch, to be honest about it. We're starting to see this a little bit, my theory anyway, with the political campaign, because I've still been a believer that McCain is the chosen one. And they have to start destroying some of these guys who keep creeping into the mix

20:11 to kind of, you know, almost win. And Huckabee is the main one. And Huckabee is this Baptist minister, kind of, but now there's words out that maybe he's not. And there's a lot of interesting disinformation. It's starting, right? The real campaign is now starting. Yeah, he's like, you know, he seems to be for Mexicans taking over the country, if you read carefully enough. Anyway, yeah, starting, and the key, one of the key elements, and somebody who has a lot of influence is Rush Limbaugh, who's, for the European viewers, he's a very popular right-wing talk show. He's the one who invented right-wing talk, talk radio.

20:50 And in 1987, when they revoked the law, the equal time law, that was revoked and Limbaugh jumped on that immediately within two years and the next thing you know he's like a millionaire with his own private jet. and and uh... you know drug have a drug addict but yes i guess what happens in mind who actually uh... business partners uh... got him going to sell all of his ads it was an amazing business in those early years and just hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars well so he has but that the word or at least of the belief is even though nobody who proves and he denies is constantly that he's really a spokesperson for for the uh... established republican party uh...

21:35 the true leadership, whoever they are, the secret club. And so, if you listen to him, you get some of the, you get a flavor for what might be coming down. And he coined, Huckabee in his sights is a target. So he's coined, he calls him now, he started by calling him Hucksterbee. And then now it's just the Huckster to refer to him. And as soon as I started hearing this, I said, well, this guy's got, you know, he has limb bars doing this and he's just a beginning. It's the opening salvo. It's about the start. Yeah. It's about to start and Huckabee is going to be screwed. But meanwhile, he's getting into a kind of a interesting debate with this other guy who's a more interesting character that they got to move aside, which is Mitt Romney.

22:30 And Mitt Romney looks a lot, if anybody in Europe knows movie actors, he looks a lot like Treat Williams playing one of those evil businessmen that he used to do in a lot of movies. Probably better than anyone. And he has said, evil businessman, treat Williams look. And good looking guy, Mormon, and apparently an incredible businessman, probably worth billions. Well you know that Bain Capital, one of his hedge funds that he's involved in, is the, I think at this point, the only serious contender and bidder to buy Clear Channel.

23:09 right yeah he was the by which is it would be a great idea i wish you would buy clear channel because it would turn to the mit romney channel but whatever kidding i mean it has been attempted before that william randolph hearst the first had a you know on most of these papers in the country many of them and he tried to become president that didn't work out it doesn't you can't necessarily trick the people by owning all the media even though people like to think you can. And you don't own the internet, and the internet can cloud anything as I said. But anyways, but the beginning, the true contenders for these offices were not the really, my initial belief about two years ago was that the ticket was going to be McCain and Giuliani, which I thought was an unbeatable ticket. I mean nothing that Democrats could put up,

23:57 could beat those two guys. But now, you know, Giuliani's hanging in there, but they don't want him to be president, and now he's sick or something. He has something like... Yeah, but it's a flu, but they call it flu like like what does that? Yeah? What does that mean? Yeah good point flu like which means he was puking basically Dehydrated yeah, it probably poisoned him so The first thing I thought when I read that is hmm radiation sickness perhaps That's possible to whatever the case you know this whole the race is up for grabs And I still I'm still believer, and I think I I thought, you know, because McCain was, went soft on Bush during an era where he was being,

23:09 right yeah he was the by which is it would be a great idea i wish you would buy clear channel because it would turn to the mit romney channel but whatever kidding i mean it has been attempted before that william randolph hearst the first had a you know on most of these papers in the country many of them and he tried to become president that didn't work out it doesn't you can't necessarily trick the people by owning all the media even though people like to think you can. And you don't own the internet, and the internet can cloud anything as I said. But anyways, but the beginning, the true contenders for these offices were not the really, my initial belief about two years ago was that the ticket was going to be McCain and Giuliani, which I thought was an unbeatable ticket. I mean nothing that Democrats could put up,

23:57 could beat those two guys. But now, you know, Giuliani's hanging in there, but they don't want him to be president, and now he's sick or something. He has something like... Yeah, but it's a flu, but they call it flu like like what does that? Yeah? What does that mean? Yeah good point flu like which means he was puking basically Dehydrated yeah, it probably poisoned him so The first thing I thought when I read that is hmm radiation sickness perhaps That's possible to whatever the case you know this whole the race is up for grabs And I still I'm still believer, and I think I I thought, you know, because McCain was, went soft on Bush during an era where he was being,

24:42 really wrecked across the coals when he tried to run for president some years earlier and i and i'm absolutely sure a backroom deal was done saying look you bush's gotta be in for this next election what you're the next guy right you next in line just shut up get out of the way and don't do anything to ruin this because we can't you know lose to these other idiots and uh... and will give it to you for the for the two thousand eight and and that's why i've always believed that mccain is so relaxed during this campaign doesn't even seem to be You know, he's just coasting, waiting for the fulfillment of the promise later in the year. This is my conspiracy theory. It's not a conspiracy, just a meeting happened and this is what they're going to do. Well, it's interesting. I did see... was it... what did I watch recently? It was an older Meet the Press with John Kerry and John McCain together.

25:35 And you're right, the guy just sits there completely at ease. But I'm not liking all the stuff that's coming out of his mouth, quite honestly. Well, he's getting too... this is a problem. He's getting a little cocky. And then he shows up... and he's the only guy, by the way, that consistently shows up on the Jon Stewart show. and john stewart is a kate a uh... and and there and they apparently are frank are you have become friends and steward courses a s now once is a socialist but he's definitely a liberal and uh... and offend one of the few funny liberals that you know you know it's hard to handle uh... the media and you know and and and get them get the did not know that it's twist the knife with humor twin

26:19 And he and McCain just get along famously and they exchange barbs and it's actually quite interesting to watch this and I think that's all part of the overall scheme. Hmm. Well, it could be. Eh, it's a theory. I'm not putting... I will actually, I usually put money on the elections but only near the end. I mean, I have already put, I think, two bets down that the Republicans will win again. Well, first we got to get through the next stage. So you're saying McCain will get the ticket for the Republicans?

26:55 That's what my theory is, but I don't care who gets it. They'll still win. I don't see the Democrats being able to feel that and I've taken this bet twice now and I'll take it with anybody. Really? You think the next president will be a Republican? Absolutely. There's no question about it. Wow. Wow. I don't think the Democrats have anyone they can field and I think in fact my original again a couple years ago my my view of things was going to be a McCain Giuliani versus Hillary Obama. and i keep because there's a weird logic to the idea of running hillary and obama which is that you you know you get all the women and you'll get all the blacks to vote for them because there's a woman in the black thinking that you know everybody's an idiot and uh... and you can't lose so i'm still think i'm still sticking with the hillary obama ticket

27:44 I don't know. I mean, you know, I will probably be proven wrong, but I truly believe that there, you know, so few people turn out to vote anyway. I believe that an outsider could come in and could steal this race away, particularly because it started so early. The press is already getting extremely bored of Either nothing happening in fact nothing is happening. It's just boring you know so they're making shit up and you know That's why like the Ron Paul blimp works, and you know there was real good coverage for the six million dollar man You know six million dollars raised on

28:20 On the was it the 16th of December? You know, I think that's why Huckabee gets you know gets lifted up I I think that at the end at the end of this race We'll see that there's a lot more Exposure a lot more attention for some of these more like fringe candidates. I think that's really gonna happen It's it's you know, it is it truly is how television works. They are already bored of what's going on and Yeah, you know what I think's gonna happen after this election. Somehow the politicos are gonna get together and they're gonna have a meeting, it's all one party anyway. They're gonna have a meeting and say, look, this is killing us. Who came up with that idea that we should run this election for over a year? It scatters the money, because they'd rather have the money just go where it belongs rather than scattered all over the place.

29:12 but we do a bunch of maniacs uh... they're gonna have to do something about this they cannot do this again because uh... which is again made show up at the end we're going to reanalyze this at this election cycle they're gonna say this what this didn't work to the public's benefit you know you can end up with the candidates that were leading at the beginning and then you saw a bunch of men and also there's there's no one running the country back in washington you did i say i see you was a chris dodd who You know, created this filibuster to stop the new FISA Act? Yeah, I haven't, you know, I hate to say I haven't been following it that closely. In fact, I kind of... Well, I heard you say on Tech 5 that it had gone into law, that it had passed. No, I admit I screwed up. It was a mistake. Okay. And it was essentially the vote was to keep the

30:04 To be going or not going the whole thing is a joke well The thing is it is the amnesty for the telco companies what what this revised FISA bill said amongst other things was and FISA is basically this whole wiretapping bill which says you know you can get a Wiretap under certain circumstances without a warrant through the traditional court system. I'm just paraphrasing. I'm not a lawyer But in addition, in the new FISA law, which expires I believe in a week or so, the old one, which would mean wiretapping would have to go back to the way it's supposed to be, which is like you get a proper warrant and it takes a couple days. But anyway, in this new FISA Act, the telecom companies who had conspired with the government to give them data

30:51 About their customers were basically being pardoned going back five years in time and and So I believe Chris Dodd Stopped this and they and they actually took it off the table And they won't vote on it until after the new year, and they're gonna try and revise it and you know and try and and I guess they're gonna try and keep that part in but that obviously is is horrible and Yeah, no, it's a bad thing. But you know these guys have played ball and you know against probably what they should have done. A couple of them didn't. At least they exclaimed they didn't. They said, look, these guys came in, it doesn't sound right to us that we should be listening to these customers because we have laws that prevent us from doing that.

31:37 and they just wanted to do it for you know just you know kind of a broad way just listen to everything collect all of calls into a big database and then go over and later data mine them and we didn't think this was something that was legal and they told me not that it were going to do I think was the one other quest guys and some other guys refused but at the AT&T and all these other guys sure whatever we don't care you go and and you know whatever you know I have an AT&T account, that's my cell phone, so that's probably the echelon me. Probably heard me talking to you. You're probably in there. I'm sure for I Don't know. I don't know I still baffles me why you're under constant scrutiny scrutiny Hey, man, we wrote a couple things down earlier in the week that we were going to talk about do you have your list? Oh, yeah, hang on one second now You're gonna have to put a pause in there because I do have the list well You got your headphones on while you're getting it or just walk away Well then let me

32:43 Let me let's see maybe I have something I can play but maybe there was a voicemail comment that we had that came in You know, I have this I have this bad habit of writing stuff on sheet little, you know I have my latest thing is I take printouts that are That the backside are blank, right? And a lot of printers. I have a duplex printer, but most of them are just blank. And so I flip the things over and I use them as... and I fold them in half vertically and then I use that as my note thing. So I have piles of these things. Yeah, I use my one-side printed paper for filters. I rip off little strips and then roll it up.

33:34 Okay, now here's the problem with the notes. I took Okay Legibility this is this is the problem. This is like Good stuff John one of them was said it did like this It's this is the note and that we then you have to kind of extrapolate. Why did I write this? it's almost like you know when you're in college, and you you took notes on some of your passing thoughts and usually late at night and they don't make any sense the next day. A million people probably sent this to you already. Oh, I know what that is. I know what that is. We were talking about how when you're

34:13 You know, so either, you know, I have a company, there's a hundred people in the company, but you know, there's a lot of people that I know. Look, I'm famous. What can I tell you? John C. Dvorak, you're famous. And so what you get when you have a certain level of fame is that people send you stuff And they'll say, you know, you probably have already had a million people send you this link, but anyway, here it is. And it's a really tough situation because the fact of the matter is most people actually believe that someone else already sent it to me and then you wind up not knowing fucking shit because no one sends you anything anymore. So whenever someone sends me something like that, I'm always saying, hey, thanks. No, first one, like first post. Great job. I keep trying to, I'm sure you have the same thing.

35:01 Absolutely. I get a lot of these and they always say the same thing, which is a million people probably sent this to you already, but... And then they send you some link that you've never seen in your life. Nobody else sends it to you. No one's said it before or after. And you go, wow, this is interesting. And it could have to do with the company you're working for or something like you made a mistake on the blog, for example. Whatever it is, yeah. That happens a lot. Everyone assumes that you, since you do have, I mean there are numbers here. I mean the blog, my blog has like a million page views a month plus. and uh... so there's thirty or forty thousand people i did hit the thing every day so it would seem likely that's a little buddy i thought of these tens of thousands of people would say something when you know your just see you get it in a way so but they don't at which because they always assume that the next guy did which is like you know i think this is happening this this concept is happening on a global basis because i know for a fact that when i'm driving past the drug years and years ago when i had a

36:01 you know, when I actually carried a cell phone. I would be on the freeway and I'd see a wreck and I'd call CHP and say, you know, there's a wreck on such and such and such is right here and there. And now you get to the, I think most people, myself included, go, ah, somebody must have called that. Someone already called it in, yeah, exactly. Exactly. And there's a transition point because I remember calling those in and I was like the guy calling them in. And then at one point, somewhere along the line, every time I called in they said, oh yeah, we've got that one, somebody called it in. And then you stop calling. Then you stop calling and then nobody calls it in. Because I've seen some of these wrecks out here. They've been there for hours. Yeah, and no one's fucking called it in. Right. So please, consider your celebrity friends. And do send us that link. We really do appreciate it. So anyway, that's... Yeah, now, Chris, now you get too much. I don't know if you knew this, but... kind of thing.

36:58 There's another thing that I brought on this list, which is Kissinger came out with a comment that we can never, it was on some show, I think it was in Europe, he was on the BBC or someplace saying, you know, we can't, this war in Iraq is unwinnable because there's nobody that you can win against because there's no other side. It's just a scattered bunch of people doing whatever they do. So there's no, you can't have a table, there's no surrender table where somebody can come and sign over, right? So we might as well just forget it. We're gonna be there for the rest of our lives for some reason. And I'm thinking, well, you know, the one thing I would say, well, you can't cut and run, you can't do this, you can't do that. And every time I'm always hearing about how come we can't just pick up and leave,

37:46 I'm thinking, isn't this the kind of criticism that we used to have against Asians in general about their concept of saving face? whereas it's what a bunch of dingbats you know they're they can't do this they can't do that because they can't because they wouldn't be saving face you know they they would be humiliated because of face face face this concept of saving face and we always thought that it's purely an asian phenomenon about saving face when in fact apparently it's not because that's what this is all about it's saving face well really it really it's about the united states saving face in both exactly that's what i mean yeah in both cases i'm looking at the article now

38:23 If you mean by military victory in a rocky government that can be established and whose writ runs the whole country That gets a civil war under control and sectarian violence under control in a time period that the political process of the democracies will support I don't believe that is possible. He told the BBC Right of course that got no play in the US. No of course not well I'm getting this from MSNBC which is the first hit on Google, but you know of course the fact of the matter is that's not the US. Good point. The fact of the matter is is that You know, it's all about the flow of money for... Well, now it's because you read that book. I think it's about saving face at this point. I think the flow of money thing's already been controlled. No, no, no. It's, you know, what just happened? Here comes Adam's finance segment of the week. Oh, no. Yep. The Saudi royal family

39:18 and Saudi Arabia as a as I guess a kingdom are putting together the sovereign Saudi Saudi Arabian fund a trillion dollars a Trillion dollars and they're going to lend this money to whom? to us. We could use it. To our banks, to you know, to and essentially it's it you know it's just money that's coming in that's going to be paid for more infrastructure in Saudi Arabia. It's crazy. I know the whole thing is laundering money. It's really interesting. So anyway. So let's make the oil $100 a barrel and then we'll give you half of it back. It is $100 a barrel.

40:07 Yeah, pretty much. I mean, it's not quite. I think it's 96 or something today, but or yesterday Yeah, it reminds me so every single time I see those numbers. You know it reminds me of water world you ever seen that movie with Kevin Costner Yeah, where and it's uh? One of the corniest weird films ever yeah, but you know what I liked about it was everyone was after the go juice You know you had to have go juice to make your engine go and And you got the big pirate ship and I kind of imagine that that's, you know, I'll wind up one day like that, you know, on a big Gojuice pirate ship. Well, that reminds me there was a good, let's see, it wasn't Death Race 2000.

40:47 it was uh... there was another smoothie which is a call for my camera man there's some of your out there knows it but it was a it was uh... movie about a guy who got a uh... hot uh... like a big sports car or like a racing car names shot across the country to get to free cali new california which is the only free uh... country left in the world and he's shooting across and he and his whole time he was going there trying to kill him constantly with missiles and everything else was he'd stop it all is all gas station to the gasoline was it was new eliminated couldn't get gasoline anymore but all your gasoline static a few inches of gasoline left at the very bottom of the tank at the pumps the pumps wouldn't go all the way down it of course

41:29 because it couldn't hit the bottom. And because it'd suck up rust is the reason if anyone wants to know. And so he could take a tube and run it down to the bottom and siphon up a few gallons for his race car and then shoot off toward California. And I can't remember the name of that thing for the life of me. But anyway, that was a similar kind of thing where gasoline has become this weird commodity. What else is on our list? I don't know. Something more interesting than that, I hope. We should talk a little bit about the fact that I have another one here. This is another example of my kind of note taking. And I'll tell you what it is. It says French and then there's an arrow pointing to IBM. Okay, that gets nothing. What the hell was that about? French, arrow, IBM? No, no. Here's another one. The problem is because once they get over three or four days old, they make no sense to me.

42:30 Here's another one. Ambulance chasers with an arrow, a long arrow pointing to age and underneath age in a box is written the word ramps and then another arrow pointing to nothing. Okay. I remember parts of this, that part of this was about San Francisco being very disabled friendly. The ambulance chasers was about lawyers who used to literally wait outside our building when we were a public company in New York and they'd ask women, you know, hey did this happen to you today? Because then you have a sexual harassment suit. The age thing came from me telling you that I had training

43:11 You know, HR training. And in a job interview you cannot ask someone how old they are. If you do, then you can get sued later for an age discrimination suit. But I have no idea what it was in reference to. I think we were talking about, I think we maybe were talking about even the Office Romance book that was written recently by Stephanie Locey that we covered on the Cranky Geek Show. And she was always, she was shocked by the fact that, you know, she had all the, she had big agents and all the publishers seemed interested, but nobody wanted to publish this book. But I had taken that HR course on sexual harassment, and if you really look into it, I mean, you can't do anything, you can't even, you know, say hello to a woman without the possibility existing that you're gonna get sued.

43:56 And so I told her that the real problem is because of the way sexual harassment has gone, these lawsuits, that if one of these big publishers, usually a multinational corporation, published that book about office romance and they had a sexual harassment suit thrown at them, it would be evidence against them. Yeah, I think there's something to that, absolutely. So in other words, because of the way the courts work in this country, It's actually, it's kind of impacting, is the word I'm looking for, freedom of speech. In fact, I think if somebody would bring up, say you go up to somebody in the office and you go,

44:43 uh... in the do you can see you can't compliment on their appearance or anything according to most of these uh... and they have all kinds of documentation the in these courses a short you why because some guys and i high honey you're got a beautiful dress today will move in court the next day i am so going to get no dude so you see me around the office i'm horrible you should take the course i i i was by law have to take the course well i don't know why you haven't but anyway uh... the point is is that Where does freedom of speech begin and end, and where does sexual harassment begin? And it seems to me that it's a freedom of speech issue. If I want to say, hi honey, that's a great dress you've got on, I think I have, under the Constitution, have that right.

45:29 and i shouldn't be and i shouldn't under any circumstances be sued for sexual harassment not only do i think you have that right i think you were obliged to say hi honey to me every single time you see that that is absolutely true in a dream on so uh... it's not gonna happen but anyway the point is is that the fact that this book wasn't published but stuff by a very small independent publisher does everything to worry about his endless and under employees uh... is a pathetic indictment of the system. Anyway, that's what I think. No, that's a really good point. But who's gonna... No one's gonna go to the mat for that though. No one wants to go through the hassle. Yeah, you know what? That's what it is. It's a hassle. Nobody cares. They figure everyone's a short timer. Screw it. You know, somebody's wearing a nice dress. Too bad.

46:19 I can't help myself man. If someone's wearing a nice dress. I gotta say nice dress. I just can't help myself Yeah, well, let's stay in London if I were you so The other thing I wanted to say is that you know one of the movies I was wanted people to see and we could talk about at some point because we're talking about comics and it was the movie best of show which is a hilarious movie, but it has a guy in it named Fred Willard and and Fred Willard who's done some of the finest, most inventive comedy. I don't know how old this guy is but he must be 90, even though he doesn't look that old. Because when I was in high school, which was a while ago, I saw this guy when he was a comic team called Willard and Greco.

47:04 uh... and i saw met the hungry i in san francisco he was hilarious then and uh... since then he's a he was also the guy was the sidekick on fernwood tonight with martin mall and one of his unity is his type of humor is epitomized by this particular joke which helped i'll try to explain which is the two of our sit-in there so that the firm would tonight was a uh... but but fake talk show that was mocking you know talk show genre and molten martin mo was like the johnny carson and uh... willard was that was the sidekick and they'd be getting into some discussion out of the blue will reach out of the blue make these strange comments

47:44 which by the way is what I have Sebastian Rupley on Cranky Geeks fashioned after. He makes these strange comments. He says, you know, I don't know why they've got these ramps on, why do they put these ramps on all the sidewalks just so skateboarders can go zooming up and down, almost knocking you over. It's ridiculous that they'd do something like this. And then Martin Mulgo says, that's not for, he says, those ramps are for the handicapped. and without missing a beat, Fred Willard says, that's bull, I've never seen a handicapped guy on a skateboard. I had a Martin Mull run in once.

48:26 It was at the Cable Ace Awards and I was presenting and this is a very industry heavy event and had to go because MTV was trying to break through the new cable markets and basically it's a big jerk off session for these At the time, there were hundreds of cable operators in the US, of course, and they were all bought by Time Warner or Comcast or whatever. And they all kind of felt and acted like they were NBC, so it was a big deal for them. And so all these tabers were filled with these basically ditch diggers, is what we called them, with respect, but ditch diggers, because that's what they did. They dug a ditch and they ran some cable to your house and they had no fucking service and it sucked and you couldn't reach anyone, it never worked. But they acted like they were, you know,

49:10 Stuff it real hot stuff, and they had you know there some of them had their second wives there And they were all dressed up so cable ace awards anyway I was there with Patricia, and we're backstage and Martin Mull is the MC any any I can't forget if we were on like a dais or... Yeah, I think we were on a dais for some reason. I'm not quite sure what the fuck it was. But he announces me, he's like, you know, and here's this guy from MTV. Boy, you'd hate to have your daughter come home with him. You know, here's Adam Curry. And Patricia, she pulled him aside and said, the fuck are you, grandpa? She totally came up to defend my honor.

49:50 And from and from that day on whenever we see him on TV. We turn him off like now that dick yeah fuck him We don't like him. It's a showbiz feud. He had a funny career I remember first hearing him when he was doing, he was doing a bunch of song parodies and inventions, humorous song inventions that were extremely popular for a very short period. And then he stopped doing that and then he became an actor. And I don't know, he said it's just a strange career. But he went through this one little phase where he had this fake talk show and then, I don't Don't know what's ever come up. It kind of comes off as like he's a comedian, but he's not really funny He's an actor, but he's not really talented. You know he's just kind of there. He's recognizable. He's that's it. He's recognizable Yeah, well there's been a lot of that in Hollywood

50:40 So, anyway, so that was the, but the bestest show has Willard playing another perfect role for him. And I recommend seeing it if anyone hasn't seen that movie. It's quite funny. It's about dog shows. So what is the opposite of Rush Limbaugh? Can we be that? There's no real you know that the people keep thinking I mean, I think the opposite of Rush Limbaugh is actually John Stewart but nobody really has been able to go on the left in terms of the liberal side and do that kind of material because there's and it's a lot of people believe it's because itself the liberal people have like they're the Chinese people the liberal people People from the liberal Republic the liberal people

51:32 They have painted themselves into a corner because they can't be offensive and they can't insult anyone and they can't do this And they can't do that. You know, they all have to be politically correct. Yeah, you can't say nice dress, honey You know like we do in Texas You can't do that, you can't be funny because then you're hurting someone's feelings and that kind of thing. So you end up with a Namby Pamby kind of thing unless you have someone who's a pure satirist like Jon Stewart who doesn't mind doing that stuff but he's not seen as the opposite. The closest that anyone comes is actually another right-wing guy but he portrays himself as, oh he's actually, he takes a kind of a weird position which is this guy Michael Savage.

52:13 Who's in it who's much more entertaining than than anybody? And he's in San Francisco Bay Area, and he just complains about everything and he doesn't like Bush and he sees limbaugh and he's the one that promotes the idea limbaugh is just a mouthpiece and Well the only reason I the only reason I ask is you know there's no opposite Right could we get that could we get that kind of audience because I quite honestly I want the the jet and the drug habit and I can go over the jet. The drug habit I can do without because that drug habit is actually what made him deaf. Because a lot of people don't realize that using... He is deaf. But OxyContin when used in an addictive fashion where you're just using way too much of it actually makes you deaf. It's one of the side effects. Does it say it on the box? Overuse will make you go deaf, may decrease hearing abilities.

53:10 And induced nausea? It would have had to have set it on the baggy. If you've had a hard on and are going deaf for more than four hours, please contact your physician immediately. So anyway, so he had to have these implants and all these other things because he lost his, he went deaf. And in fact, I remember that period where he first went deaf and he didn't have the hearing aids. And I was listening, I turned him on once cause I listened to right wing talk, you know, I admit it. And um, Because you get a lot of information from these guys to be honest about it, but anyway So I was listening I said who's this guy and I said this isn't Rush Limbaugh This is somebody else because he couldn't hear himself because he he's a professional You know he was a DJ like you and he and he he liked liked he was a yeah He loved his own voice But he had to modulate it with the microphone so he'd be up to microphone and you be talking like this you know like I do

54:04 Hey, baby, how you modulate if you do people out there should know that if you're on the radio And you have a pair of headphones on you can really control your voice a lot more because you're hearing yourself exactly And you can talk a little bit more like this. Maybe send naked pictures Anyway, so so I could couldn't hear him so so he couldn't do his own voice. I thought it was weird was weird I didn't think it was him I thought was some phony and then I found out about all this other stuff and then he got the implants now he sounds exactly like he used to but It's funny, if you can't hear yourself, and it's like people who are, I know a lot of people that went to way too many, when I was a kid I worked in factories and I learned about ear protection. So I always, when I went to rock concerts, I always had ear protection and I still wear it. But there's a lot of people that went to a lot of heavy metal concerts, they never wore ear protection. They were doing their team. They're all deaf. And when you talk to them, they scream at you, because they can't hear themselves. Did you leave the lights on? Hi, what are you doing?

55:04 I've always, always worn ear protectors. In fact, all the roadies at all these concerts, every single person at the show is wearing ear protection. It's an insurance requirement these days. Yeah, nowadays. But back in the day, you know, in the 70s and 80s, it wasn't as People weren't paying attention. I don't know. It did help, and I think this is lost on the public, it did help when you were a kid where you could actually get jobs in factories during the summer. Nowadays, you go around and you see kids hanging out in the streets and you say, why don't you guys get a job? Get a job where, they tell you. Yeah, I'd get a job, dude, but like where?

55:44 But back in the day you could get work when you're a kid and you'd learn a lot because you were on these jobs You know to learn and stuff like wearing your protection taking taking salt tablets and things like that. Okay? This just in on the wires For some reason the it's from Clarksburg, West Virginia I actually happen to know where that is and have been to Clarksburg, West Virginia and The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion effort to build the world's largest computer database of people's physical characteristics. Huh. A project that would give the government unprecedented abilities to identify individuals in the United States and abroad. Digital images of faces, fingerprints, palm patterns, and iris scans. There you go. The FBI will also retain upon request by employers fingerprints of employees. Oh, this is great. This is just awesome.

56:40 Another half hour It's related it's related look the Department of Homeland Security has been using iris scans at some airports to verify the identity of travelers who have passed background checks Who want to move through the lines quickly? It's all related dude. It's happening. They're rolling it out. They're totally rolling this shit out This is great. I'll put this link in the show notes. It's like a whole story on the Washington Post Why Clarksburg is that where the FBI is I don't know it's probably where they can get cheap land I have no idea. No, that's not where the FBI is. Maybe they like football. There's some good football teams in West Virginia. Well, yes. The Mountaineers.

57:19 Mountaineers although they lost their coach. Yeah, they would but didn't they they lose out on the championships? I don't really follow it, but yeah, no, they can't get in so I get a couple West Virginia hoodies that now I can't use as a One-upsmanship thing I've always thought they had the the chrome is logo that green and yellow kind of like really jagged W WVU whatever it is No, they don't. They have the flying W. It's actually gorgeous. I never liked that. I know it! And it's yellow on blue. It's perfect colors. I mean, it's a really good-looking logo. Ah, okay. Maybe there's an old logo you're thinking about, but the flying W, which is called the Flying W, which is actually a W and F shoved together, I think is a very good looking logo. But now they lost their coach, and they're probably, you know, they're not... It's all over. The best team this year was Appalachian State, there's no doubt about it. Again. You've lost me. Yeah, I know. But the two other football fans in our audience are going, DeVorex, right? So what are you doing for Christmas?

58:23 You celebrate? Going up to Washington. Going up to Washington. Ah, you go see the family? Yeah, everyone's up there because we got a deli up there and so I, my wife, you know, comes down half the time. I go up there half the time but she's got to be near the deli more than I do so I'm down here mostly. So you're really alone most of the time? Well except when the girls are here. Well yeah, but they only come down on like the week No, you are in Gitmo my friend talking about the other girls oh And on that note I think we should we've done another hour show In the future should we try and do this daily do you think if you think people would show up for it?

59:04 Think if we get a critical mass of weekly listeners We should because then that I mean the only their only money in this is doing it daily Let's face it, but you know I think we're gonna run out of material because we're although I don't think we're the boringest guys in the world You know at some point although the news usually provides us with more than enough information Yeah, but I but that's that's kind of the problem I don't want it to become you know one of the end that there's so many shows about news you know which really just makes you a part of the the daily should be talking about society you know as opposed to talking about like what we didn't talk about this week which is the implications of Jamie Lynn Spears' pregnancy. Yeah, now there's a topic. I can't believe we overlooked that one. Well, I can. But you know, it's an interesting topic to me because I get the sense that she got pregnant on purpose to get attention. You think? It's really sad when you see people caught up in the show business machine like that. Because that's really what that is. They just have no idea.

1:00:07 Apparently and and and no one gives a shit. It's like Amy Winehouse. You know everyone's just waiting for her to fuck up again or die You know she's been arrested even knows who that is over here. Did no one knows who Amy Winehouse is you're kidding me Well, I don't know who she is now. No. She's been nominated for six Grammy Awards someone knows who she is John Oh that woman yeah, that yeah, I guess So hey, this is interesting. I just want to put it so I have the Google news page up because I figure if we ran out of material I could always jump on one of these stories and the thing just refreshed on its own and it and it swapped out all the photos So they've changed this code in this thing. I think I don't think you used to do that I used to get a bing and the next thing you know it's all the whole page. What's your top news item? Oh

1:00:55 uh... are what you had the one thing that didn't mind is that the i plan to have a million dollar database right now i just want to compare under that no troop surge for afghanistan yeah okay so it is the same pretty much and then uh... the xc i a subpoena thing is interesting in rest of its you know just in evidence is just more it's just more could commenting on the fucking news yeah now i'm not saying we should uh... okay what Forgot to tell you I got the Yorkshire tea that I brought home from the office that they sent me The one that you got for free. Yeah, that was a Paul Parkinson actually arranged that he's a he has a show here in the UK and he Didn't get anything free, but so I tried it out and I'm like and I have to tell you I don't think my palate is sophisticated enough to really Tell the difference in fact Patricia

1:01:53 She shunned it immediately. She said, oh no, I don't like, I like the PG tips much better. And then I tried, I did one of the like, decaf tests. You remember the old commercials? Hmm. She didn't even notice it was decaf and so I made her I made her a Yorkshire tea and she nailed it and then She said which one is this is the regular tea and I said, yeah Like trying not to really fib so she thought it was PG tips. Oh, yeah, I can taste it This is PG tips, but it wasn't it was the Yorkshire tea. Oh you you jocked her. Yeah. Yes I haven't actually said anything to her about that, but She's gonna know now. She's gonna be you're gonna get some you're gonna get there You know instead of the t-bone steak it's gonna be liver. Oh, dude. You actually believe that my wife listens to this shit

1:02:35 Well, you're probably right. It's like my wife. She doesn't listen to anything. Does she read any of your articles? No, never. No, never. And have you written books? You've written books, haven't you? Yeah, but usually she has to do it. She has something to do with the editing. So it's like she reads them that way. All right. But well, you know, I think you should check your wife out with the thing with the tea called lifeboat lifeboat tea. Okay. Yeah. That's actually a pretty nice tea. I'd like life wouldn't of course Sainsbury's red labels a favorite amongst the cheapskates in England Yeah, you mentioned that but we don't and we've we've had that before but still think PG is better than that I don't like Sainsbury's red label so much either. I think it's bland There are people in America going what the fuck?

1:03:15 No, I think Americans are drinking more more and more tea and But they're drinking like flavored tea Have you seen the selection at the office if you just want a regular tea bag you can hardly find it anymore It's all raspberry have a box of PG tips in there now really oh, thank you. I'm sure you took care of that No, I don't know who did but somebody did nice. I guess somebody you lose maybe somebody listens to her To the shit all right huh all right That's it you got anything else no, I think we're through I think we're done as well coming to you from the curry Manor in Guilford in the United Kingdom I'm Adam curry, and I'm John C. Dvorak up here in Northern, California And we'll talk to you again next week on no agenda the best and the brightest served up daily by the sharpest minds and content delivery poncho and limelight